Well, what Atrios doesn't understand is, in this case, the thing is, what needs to be bourne in mind is that, on the other hand, while it sounds like he might have a point, ... YOU'RE A NAZI!
Senior analyst |
07.29.06 - 4:01 pm | #
How dare you claim the fringe majority should be listened to on these important matters?
Americans are so out of touch that they are even out of touch with Americans.
olvlzl | Homepage | 07.29.06 - 3:56 pm | #
America touched me once. Down there.
rorschach |
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07.29.06 - 4:02 pm | #
And what percentage of Iraqis are we up to who would really, really love it if we would please just get the fuck out if we can't do any good?
Not that that matters.
Virginia, wet blanket |
07.29.06 - 4:02 pm | #
Americans want two things, I think: win in Iraq, AND get out.
Therefore, the Dem political message should be "to key to winning is to reduce our troop presence." It's a smart political message and while it's hardly guaranteed military strategy, it's hell of a lot better than what we're doing now.
Instead of "we're losing, let's get out", they should be saying "to win, let's get out."
Oberon |
07.29.06 - 4:03 pm | #
Thank you, Atrios; my point exactly: Broder doesn't know whereof he speaks-- and the rest of the pundit class follows suit.
plantsman, lowercase |
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07.29.06 - 4:03 pm | #
The common people can be taught to obey but not to understand.
Senior analyst, Chinese varian |
07.29.06 - 4:03 pm | #
When pundits think about War they touch themselves.
Attaturk |
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07.29.06 - 4:03 pm | #
Virginia -- left below!
Coincidences: I flipped through the scant Sinclair bad Saturday movie crapfest, and saw Jeff Daniels in a "Virginia is for lovers" t-shirt.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.29.06 - 4:03 pm | #
"Virginia is for lovers" t-shirt
According to a movie that my former name starred in, it was Canada that was for lovers.
Andy, Unzapped |
07.29.06 - 4:05 pm | #
Oh boy -- next on the Sinclair bad Saturday movie crapfest: Hackers, featuring Puffy Lips.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.29.06 - 4:05 pm | #
As long as those same Americans agree to get all republicans out of congress in 3-1/2 months.
AnotherBruce |
07.29.06 - 4:05 pm | #
Right now, with a thermometer at 90, I'd rather have America more like a fridge than a fringe.
R. McGeddon |
07.29.06 - 4:06 pm | #
Why do 52% of Americans hate America?
Time for some neocons Straussian paternalism. They obviously don't know what's good for oil companies military contractors Bush's ego them and can't be trusted, so they must be ruled by deception and brute force.
Mike G |
07.29.06 - 4:06 pm | #
Har! There is a town in Virginia that has my last name. We took a picture of me in front of its post office.
Virginia, wet blanket |
07.29.06 - 4:06 pm | #
Isn't 52% one persent better than a mandate? (I am ignoring the man date jokes by the way)
EkCenTriK |
07.29.06 - 4:06 pm | #
um I meant percent.
EkCenTriK |
07.29.06 - 4:06 pm | #
Ooh! And a really young Flicka Huffman!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.29.06 - 4:06 pm | #
Gee, this is something we should be very concerned about. Thanks for your concern.
AnotherBruce |
07.29.06 - 4:09 pm | #
Heads I win, tails you lose. Now the Kool Kids will simply tout Bush's steely resolve in the face of public cowardice.
Ren Hoek |
07.29.06 - 4:09 pm | #
They will have their chance to make their wishes manifest in November.
This is the issue - isn't polling fun? And jolly informative too.
GWPDA, Yrate y Yclept |
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07.29.06 - 4:09 pm | #
Charley, that was good.
EkCenTriK |
07.29.06 - 4:10 pm | #
I'm actually rather amazed that more of a fuss isn't being made about the Repubs imposing "martial law" process in order to pass unread legislation, I have to say...
rorschach |
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07.29.06 - 4:10 pm | #
So if 52% of America wants troops out in a year, does that mean American hates America?
It probably means that we're bogged down in Iraq because Certain People -- I don't have to mention any names, do I *coughatrioscough*?) -- have not been clapping loudly enough.
Virginia, wet blanket |
07.29.06 - 4:10 pm | #
DUde, how the fuck are we going to beat McCain?
Have NTodd challenge him to a vodka-drinking contest.
R. McGeddon |
07.29.06 - 4:10 pm | #
52% of people want all troops out of Iraq in a year.
I bet the actual figure is higher concerning the population, and lower concerning the timetable.
Max Planck |
07.29.06 - 4:10 pm | #
Have NTodd challenge him to a vodka-drinking contest.
R. McGeddon
only 52% think that black is fuckin black????
hannity |
07.29.06 - 4:12 pm | #
Republicans have done a wicked good job discrediting Democrats over the last many years, but a pretty good job on themselves for the last 12.
plantsman, lowercase |
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07.29.06 - 4:13 pm | #
'To neutralize dissenters, the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918 were passed. They were used to imprison nearly 900 Americans who spoke or wrote against going to war. Those laws, by the way, are still on the books, and many of today's Republicans would like to revive their enforcement and go after critics of our current wars.'
1watt Hermit |
07.29.06 - 4:13 pm | #
Why does most of America hate America?
blogenfreude |
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07.29.06 - 4:14 pm | #
I don't hate America, but I do hate Holden's ponies. No matter how hard you try, you just can't get away from Holden's damn ponies.
And as Bush ain't going to be poopular again, I'm just stuck hating myself for hating Holden's precious ponies. Bitch.
smarty jones |
07.29.06 - 4:14 pm | #
52% of people want all troops out of Iraq in a year.
Heads I win, tails you lose. Now the Kool Kids will simply tout Bush's steely resolve in the face of public cowardice.
Ren Hoek
That's the genius of the stab-in-the-back myth. Bush comes out able to say he was vindicated either way. The strategy of blaming war critics for the tragic outcome of this debacle is utterly predictable and inevitable.
Doc |
07.29.06 - 4:14 pm | #
DUde, how the fuck are we going to beat McCain?
Have NTodd challenge him to a vodka-drinking contest.
R. McGeddon
Baby. Have Hecate challenge him to a vodka shot contest, and taunt him in between with demands for explanations of his father-in-law's connexions to the murder of Don Bolles....
See, the thing McCain cannot deal with are the memories of Old Phoenix/Old Arizona people like me. Not everything has gone down the memory hole here - in the desert things dry out but they don't disappear.
The tableau of 20th century military mistakes, not only in the Middle East, but everywhere else, (Verdun, anybody), is easily available to anybody who is interested in looking.
And to think, TO THINK! Shrub holds a History degree from Yale.
"How long's it take you to get home? 8 hours? Me, too, 8 hours. Russia's a big country."
Virginia, wet blanket |
07.29.06 - 4:20 pm | #
Who's elitist and out of touch?
Holden? NTodd? Atrios?
Bleepin' bloggers...
Andy, Unzapped
Wasn't it just yesterday that the bloggers were responsible for the Iraq mess?
I get so confused.
Barry from AK in Campinas |
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07.29.06 - 4:20 pm | #
Keep in mind that when Abraham Lincoln said you can't fool all of the people all of the time, there were no pundits...
Roddy McCorley |
07.29.06 - 4:21 pm | #
Max Planck! Hey! Military Mistakes R Us!!!! www.gwpda.org
And to think, TO THINK! Shrub holds a History degree from Yale.
Fuck you, Yale. Just.... fuck you.
Max Planck
He has a bachelor's in My Daddy Rich You Better Give me a C, and a Master's in the same thing. If this cretin wrote a Master's thesis I'll eat it.
Virginia, wet blanket |
07.29.06 - 4:21 pm | #
McCain still does well in the two- handed wankfest, though.
smarty jones
Excels at the Bush Ass Suck, too.
Terry C, Patriotic Dissenter |
07.29.06 - 4:23 pm | #
If this cretin wrote a Master's thesis I'll eat it.
Virginia, wet blanket
He had someone write it FOR him.
No doubt in my mind about that.
Terry C, Patriotic Dissenter |
07.29.06 - 4:23 pm | #
Excels at the Bush Ass Suck, too.
Terry C, Patriotic Dissenter
And the Takin' It from the Fundies without Reacharound, too.
Virginia, wet blanket |
07.29.06 - 4:23 pm | #
I'm not at all sure I even want to know what everyone's talking about, but if Karin's around, her little hebe is coming along great. In other news, I'm in miserable shape.
mena |
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07.29.06 - 4:24 pm | #
Josh Marshall now says I'm misrepresenting his column. Well, the post I link above contains a lengthy in-context quote, and observes: "Not that Josh wants people to die, he just thinks it has a valuable pedagogical function." (Josh claims that I said he called for "the mass and indiscriminate killing of civilians at the outset of the Iraq War," which is at least as much a misrepresentation of my post as he's claiming for his; I don't think that either Podhoretz or Marshall ever called for that).
I thought that was a fair reading of his column then, and I don't believe he objected. Here's another link to his original column, which I also linked along with the blockquote. You can decide for yourself whether I've misrepresented him, but it seems to me that it was a fair reading then, and that it's a fair reading now. But if Josh meant something else by his language, he should say so.
So to recap: Perfesser Bass quotes someone else talking about what Marshall said, and that, somehow, is the same thing as quoting Marshall directly. Then he complains that just because he was lying about what Marshall said then, why should he stop lying about it now, and anyway, it's Marshall's fault for not stopping him.
Karin's around, her little hebe is coming along great. In other news, I'm in miserable shape.
mena
Karin took off just a while ago, IIRC.
What's up with you?
Virginia, wet blanket |
07.29.06 - 4:25 pm | #
He has a bachelor's in My Daddy Rich You Better Give me a C, and a Master's in the same thing. If this cretin wrote a Master's thesis I'll eat it.
Virginia, wet blanket
His grandfather, Prescott, was an excellent student. Enjoyed his time at Yale, gave lots of money to it and did a lot of work for the alumni association.
Poppy was a pretty good student himself and enjoyed his time there.
Chimpy hated it....college was simply to party, not learn for him and he didn't have the smarts to excel academically anyway.
Says it all,
Terry C, Patriotic Dissenter |
07.29.06 - 4:25 pm | #
I could say that about most of them anymore.
Terry C, Patriotic Dissenter |
07.29.06 - 4:27 pm | #
If this cretin wrote a Master's thesis I'll eat it.
Virginia, wet blanket - 4:21 pm
if he did, there's gotta be a copy of it somewhere...
there has been, for some time, the option of taking comps, however...i dunno which options were available at yale when the Chimp...
but i do not think that the MBA ever required the thesis..., it's not like it's an 'academic' discipline. or any fucking thing...
i can tell ya in five sentences all you need to know for an mba...
WoodyGuthrie'sBlog-stoss |
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07.29.06 - 4:27 pm | #
In other news, I'm in miserable shape.
mena - 4:24 pm
OT:
Got a phone call from the DNC begging for money. Told them I wouldn't donate another cent unlessuntil they started giving money to the dems who are willing to stand up to the chimp and his minions, instead of allowing them to run amok over our democracy. The woman on the phone was less than pleased. She asked if I was interested in getting bush out of office and I replied that our leadership is either unwilling or unable to do so, and as far as I was concerned they needed to go as well. Just donated to Progressive Patriots Fund. Entirely sick of those politicians who have somehow gotten the idea they are entitled to retain their office even when they sit and suck their thumbs while bush destroys the country.
tbsa |
07.29.06 - 4:33 pm | #
Paul Krugman yesterday: "a few days ago the Harris Poll reported that 50 percent of Americans now believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when we invaded, up from 36 percent in February 2005. Meanwhile, 64 percent still believe that Saddam had strong links with Al Qaeda."
This depresses me.
Anyway, I give up and gave in: I now have a myspace account like the other 98% of the planet. Details are up at my place as well as my reason for setting up a myspace account.
jurassicpork |
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07.29.06 - 4:36 pm | #
Oh, lighten up!
A British woman has been ordered by police to take down a sign on her garden gate which read "Our dogs are fed on Jehovah's Witnesses."
Janet Grove, who owns a terrier puppy called Rabbit, insisted the sign was a gentle joke to discourage callers at her front door.
Her late husband put the sign up more than 30 years ago when members of the church called at their house on Christmas Day.
"We were informed by a member of the public who found the sign to be distressing, offensive and inappropriate," a police spokesman said. "Officers attended the address and the sign was voluntarily taken down."
Terry C, Patriotic Dissenter |
07.29.06 - 4:36 pm | #
Pats tbsa on the back. I've done the same thing recently. They continue to argue, but I tell them no dough until they change their tune.
mer |
07.29.06 - 4:36 pm | #
McCain still does well in the two- handed wankfest, though.
smarty jones
I've already heard that the whispering campaign about his temper/fitness has started. The powers that be don't like him for some reason.
Lumpenprolitariot |
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07.29.06 - 4:37 pm | #
Paul Krugman yesterday: "a few days ago the Harris Poll reported that 50 percent of Americans now believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when we invaded, up from 36 percent in February 2005. Meanwhile, 64 percent still believe that Saddam had strong links with Al Qaeda."
America's Heartland - we just keep gittin' dumber ALL the time.
Terry C, Patriotic Dissenter |
07.29.06 - 4:37 pm | #
Her late husband put the sign up more than 30 years ago when members of the church called at their house on Christmas Day.
"We were informed by a member of the public who found the sign to be distressing, offensive and inappropriate," a police spokesman said. "Officers attended the address and the sign was voluntarily taken down."
Terry C, Patriotic Dissenter
Welcome to Jeebusland, UK! Hope you like it more than we do!
Virginia, wet blanket |
07.29.06 - 4:38 pm | #
The Five Maxims Of A Successful MBA
Sentence 1: Never give a sucker an even break.
Sentence 2: There's a fool born every minute; 2a)A fool and his money are soon parted. (Car-sales comprehensive corollary: There's an ass for every seat!)
Sentence 3: Three things matter in Bidness: Location, location and location.
Sentence 4) Buy cheap and sell dear.
Sentence 5) The difference between price and cost is profit.
WoodyGuthrie'sBlog-stoss |
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07.29.06 - 4:38 pm | #
Well, I'd rather you be drinking than reading a book while flying the plane. But don't do either one! Coffee! And lots of it! Eyes glued to the sky, looking out for other planes, flocks of birds, and such, and the ocassional glance at those meters and such. Please.
Moe Szyslak |
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07.29.06 - 4:38 pm | #
Hey--Hello. Just like to say hi. So hi.
Draco |
07.29.06 - 4:39 pm | #
Apologies. I didn't mean to come in and alarm anyone. And then leave! As soon as I sat down, my kid NEEDED a sandwich...
And I'd been pulling weeds and was somplaining about my lazy old behind. Nothing more than that, but I appreciate the concern.
mena |
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07.29.06 - 4:40 pm | #
Barry -- could you manage to fly me from Tallahassee to Knoxville the day before Thanksgiving? Thanks awfully.
I know the turboprop leg of my flight is going to be some child in an Eagle Scout uniform.
Virginia, wet blanket |
07.29.06 - 4:40 pm | #
Welcome to Jeebusland, UK! Hope you like it more than we do!
Virginia, wet blanket
The assholes wait THIRTY YEARS to decide it's "offensive"????
Virginia, who do you know in Knoxville? I'd like to meet them. Lonely liberal here in the city of Republicans.
mer |
07.29.06 - 4:44 pm | #
A fool and his money are soon parted.
I use to have a bumper sticker that said:
A fool and his money are soon partying
Chris/tx |
07.29.06 - 4:44 pm | #
"a few days ago the Harris Poll reported that 50 percent of Americans now believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when we invaded, up from 36 percent in February 2005. Meanwhile, 64 percent still believe that Saddam had strong links with Al Qaeda."
I think we can look for this phenomenon to persist as it becomes more and more obvious that the "liberation" and "democracy building" excuses become less and less defensible. There are too many poeple out there who need to believe the whole tragedy was about something besides Bush's stupidity and greed. It will be a long, long time before a majority accepts how utterly wrong the invasion was.
Doc |
07.29.06 - 4:45 pm | #
mer -- that's not my actual destination. It's close to there, but not.
And my hubby's brother and his wife are hardly liberals (although they've come a long way).
Sorry! Isn't there a Drinking Liberally?
Virginia, wet blanket |
07.29.06 - 4:46 pm | #
Aw Woody, it's rare enough for him to want anything besides money from me these days. Besides, he mowed the lawn without me having to call in reinforcements.
mena |
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07.29.06 - 4:46 pm | #
Draco--Where I'm so messed up, I'd like to be a better guy. I'm not. Sorry. I'd like to be better.
Draco |
07.29.06 - 4:46 pm | #
Frat boys who can't get into big name colleges without the help of their wealthy parents and are give second and third and fourth chances in life are born elitist, think elitist and are loyally elitist.
Who does Bush think he's kidding?
Craig |
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07.29.06 - 4:46 pm | #
There are too many poeple out there who need to believe the whole tragedy was about something besides Bush's stupidity and greed. It will be a long, long time before a majority accepts how utterly wrong the invasion was.
Doc
It's clear that it's the anti-war bloggers' fault.
Moe Szyslak |
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07.29.06 - 4:47 pm | #
Your practically 20 years old son can't make a sandwich?
Prior Aelred
I'm not so much glad I don't have kids as glad kids don't have me.
Virginia, wet blanket |
07.29.06 - 4:52 pm | #
"Why not just sell them to Iran?"
They have to be sneaky about it cuz they want the pipple to think they are not obedient to merika and are growin' their own which is against the rooles..
Luke |
07.29.06 - 4:52 pm | #
Now, mena, we all post in haste. No harm, no foul.
I'm sure that it's only a coincidence that the pains shooting down the parts of my left arm that aren't numb began just when I read your alarming reference to being in miserable shape...
Little Brøther |
07.29.06 - 4:52 pm | #
Bold, visionary, decisive leadership doesn't matter. Only having juvenile nicknames for world leaders, a bald man fetish, and a fear of horses counts.
smarty jones |
07.29.06 - 4:53 pm | #
Targeted civilian vehicles were either "incriminated" or hit by mistake, per an IDF Air Force Lt.Col, in Haaretz article:
..."The villagers who want to leave their homes are completely defenseless," says the official. "They are in danger of an attack on the highway. Nothing helps. Not a white flag, nothing. That's why many stay behind. They're afraid to stay but even more afraid to travel."
Colonel A. is not familiar with the problem. "The only vehicles that are attacked are vehicles that open fire. I am not familiar with refugee vehicles being targeted."
The only vehicles that are attacked are those that open fire?
Lieutenant Colonel K: "The army does not attack vehicles that we know are civilian vehicles. On the other hand, every vehicle that is attacked undergoes a process of incrimination. Sometimes there is circumstantial evidence that incriminates the vehicle, certain criteria that this vehicle meets and that cause the person making decisions to decide that this vehicle is an incriminated vehicle."
Later he says: : "...We are not the only country that fights. I see how other countries fight, how the Americans fight, and I have no doubt that we are the most moral army in the world.
"It hurts me every time we kill a child, every time we kill an innocent person. It hurts me very much. I look at these pictures and think about my own children."
jawbone - that's some pretty impressive morality there.
mena |
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07.29.06 - 4:56 pm | #
Hello again. What are you up to?
Draco |
07.29.06 - 4:56 pm | #
I also meant to bold the line about the Lt. Col. knowing how the Americans fight.
jawbone
come to think of it, we seem to like to bomb wedding parties. I don't recall reading Israel bombing any wedding parties, so maybe they are more moral that we!
smarty jones |
07.29.06 - 4:57 pm | #
also in Israel's defense, Hizbollah actually did attack Israel from Lebanon.
if we were Israel, we'd be bombing Poland.
smarty jones |
07.29.06 - 4:59 pm | #
This depresses me...
Jurassicpork
what you have here is a case study in the efficacy of the Big Lie a propaganda strategy developed by Hitler in Mein Kampf, and described by Lazarsfeld, Merton, Lewin and others at Columbia U and Princeton in the late '30s. It was perfected by Goebbels and his crew for the Nazis.
i swear, this is a fuukin doctoral dissertation in political communication.
The key to the success of the BIG LIE is to keep telling it, in the face of any and all rebuttal, as loudly, as frequently, and as authoritatively as possible. Soon it moves from debatable premise into the realm of truism, from which it is largely immune to truth, no matter who speaks it, the evidence they bear, or the fury with which they speak it...
Here's Herr Hitler himself Courtesy of Wikipedia):
All this was inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes. ...
WoodyGuthrie'sBlog-stoss |
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07.29.06 - 5:00 pm | #
Hi--I'd like to say hello to anyone here. I appreciate your comments.
Draco |
07.29.06 - 5:01 pm | #
I don't recall reading Israel bombing any wedding parties
Israel enjoys bombing U.N. headquarters, and refugee convoys trying to get the hell out of dodge.
tbsa |
07.29.06 - 5:02 pm | #
Targeted civilian vehicles were either "incriminated" or hit by mistake, per an IDF Air Force Lt.Col
Well, with a newly-found resolve to try harder to be "half-full", I'll only say that I think it was very nice of them to clear things up like that. After giving the article a good, hard read, I'm more than satisfied and reassured that this concern has been put to rest.
Any reasonable person understands that one must merrily mix up shelled eggs in the course of preparing an omelet!
Little Brøther |
07.29.06 - 5:03 pm | #
colin powell and mel martinez, co-chairs of the Commision for Assistance to a Free Cuba???
gary in fl |
07.29.06 - 5:04 pm | #
I'd not like being alone. I'd like friendship with Incog. He's a fine fellow. I like him much, as he'd want. He's a fone guy
Draco |
07.29.06 - 5:16 pm | #
Oh, maybe the IDF did target the UN site....
Brig. Gen. Shuki Shahar, the deputy chief of the military's Northern Command, said soldiers in the field had accidentally called in the coordinates of the U.N. base and that the airstrike had been approved up the chain of command.
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan had suggested Tuesday that the military had targeted the outpost deliberately. Israeli leaders rejected that allegation, but Shahar's initial findings indicate that the military did strike the base deliberately, even if it wasn't an intentional attempt to kill peacekeepers.
Israeli fire has hit U.N. observation posts in southern Lebanon at least 10 times. The day before the fatal attack, Israeli shelling wounded four Ghanaian soldiers with the U.N. force, said Farhan Haq, an Annan representative. Earlier, another U.N. observer was missing and presumed dead after Israeli shells struck an observation post in the village of Hosh.
U.N. officials said they had tried to prevent an airstrike by making repeated calls to Israeli officials Tuesday as the military hit the outpost where the observers were killed with artillery.
Facts coming out. Bet they really hate when that happens. Let's see: Once is a mistake, twice is an egregious error, three times? Deliberate?
Kill Jews. Win a liberal blog merit badge.
Atrios Kike Killer - Seattle d |
07.29.06 - 11:43 pm | #
25 dead children. What explanation will Israel give for this? The sickness, the butchery, the decadence, the cancer within the Jewish state grows and grows and grows. There is no space left within which to defend such actions or such people. It is over. All 5,000 years of their lessons to humankind have been liquidated in an instant of ecstatic bloodlust. No more excuses. The moral standing of the Jewish state is LESS than zero - forevermore.
comenius |
07.30.06 - 8:11 am | #
Kill Jews. Win a liberal blog merit badge.
Atrios Kike Killer
umm what? you redneck motherfuckers don't even know a jew - projection of evil - that is what rednecks do
i am sorry, but my new word is redneck - it removes all questions - if anyone is offended, sorry
mogwai |
07.30.06 - 8:24 am | #
48% want them home now.
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