I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I even read the post.
A double, gimme a double. Haven't been frist in so long.
The AMT sucks big time. And would be a nice way to give middle income people a break.
And they would immediately go out and spend the money on fripparies.
BEARS!
well, it sure will help dem prospects in 08 to be known as the anti-tax party.
The tax burden was shifted to the upper brackets with the Bush tax cuts...
...it ain't broke...don't try to fix it
Okay, this is getting boring talking to myself. I guess I better call drapes.
ql scores! (and fuck you haloscum)
Hey chi dyke. I've been visiting your site pretty much daily. Good work you're doing there.
The tax burden was shifted to the upper brackets with the Bush tax cuts...
Hey ql!
Didja get your new house?
First has to be to establish "Pay as You Go", does it not, so tax relief has to be made up by revenue increases or cuts in expenditures elsewhere?
why, thank you, ma'am. i admit: i'm feeling pretty lazy today and may not post much. i just feel like gloating instead.
...it ain't broke...don't try to fix it
You enjoy looking like an idiot, don't you?
The tax burden was shifted to the upper brackets with the Bush tax cuts...
juju is a fool.
Screw revenue neutral, I want to see that damned debt clock start to go in reverse.
And, if anybody needs
http://www.azcentral.com/home/fo...gifts.html\">to order holiday tamales, try this....
The tax burden was shifted to the upper brackets with the Bush tax cuts...
...it ain't broke...don't try to fix it
lying jerkoff
You really ARE that stupid!
steve simels apologies profusely. This is the tamale URL.
The tax burden was shifted to the upper brackets with the Bush tax cuts...
Liar or ignoramus?
You make the call.
(yeah, I say "both", too)
What are our trolls so against the minimum wage going up?
That IS what they are making.
By 2010, I will have divested mostly into Chinese Yuan.
Taxes are for wimps.
Didja get your new house?
Dr. Barmpot Shouty-Crackers
We close the first week in December. Ugh, I have to go read all the legal stuff.
eventually, i'm going to have to take this kitten off my lap and accomplish something today...
the power of purring kitten in your lap is irresistable, i'm finding.
Okay, I've had enough gloaty goodness for now. I'll be back for more later.
We close the first week in December. Ugh, I have to go read all the legal stuff.
ql in ny
That's soon - and then comes the moving. And then comes the Christmas party! And the new furniture shopping....
Very funny, my millionaire Mormon brother just came to the realization that in Bush's world, he is not rich enough to be part of the club. He is so sad you would think someone was kicking puppies.
Just wait until he realizes Bush's crowd doesn't consider Mormons to be Christian either.
Morning Batties - but don't you know that according to the bitter losers, now that the Democrats have Congress, it means:
higher taxes, activist judges and endless investigations?
At least according to the completely demented fuckwits who cannot believe they just got their asses handed to them. They are very bitter.
Ha ha [/nelson]
"Reversal of Fortune"
One asshole (Ron Silver) playing another (Alan Dershowitz).
Protests fail to stop Jerusalem gay pride event
After a week of riots, Jerusalem's controversial gay pride parade passed off peacefully yesterday in spite of protests from ultra-religious Jewish groups.
Peace was bought only by moving the event two miles from the city centre into the sterile government district. The area was closed to traffic and surrounded by 3,000 police officers, with riot police and horses in reserve.
An observation balloon flew over the city centre and a helicopter patrolled. There was a small confrontation, far from the main event, when 30 activists attempted a march but were opposed by extreme rightwing settlers. Both groups were taken away by police.
Just wait until he realizes Bush's crowd doesn't consider Mormons to be Christian either.
Troutski
Wait till Mit Romney realizes it.
Not that Bush and his crowd are Christians, either.
BTW, how did Hillary spend $29M in her senate race? Which was not even a race?
It's now the stuff of late night comedian jokes. Cripes, Hil.
Roger Simon of Bloomberg said to Tweety that it was her way of clearing a path to the '08 presidential nomination, as she was saying to those contemplating a run, "Hey, I can waste $29M, and you can't even raise $29M."
(Does anyone else get sick to the stomach when hearing about all the money spent on these elections? When there's so much that needs to done in this nation, when a small percentage of all that money could do so much for, say, medical research, student loans/scholarships, research on alternate energy...you name it.
Please, publicly funded elections. Please.)
i mean, how can i overcome this bundle of joy? it's unpossible.
Has anyone heard from Vicki?
Chidyke - what a sweetie! Did you just get this kitty?
Second to last sentence - threw = through.
Although, admittedly, I have been known to throw things at tax time.
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no shit, jawbone. guess who's not getting a dime of my money when she runs? when i think of what that 29mil would've done in the tight races we lost, i get Very Angry.
BTW, how did Hillary spend $29M in her senate race? Which was not even a race?
The same can be said for Sugar Tits Harris.
And SHE lost.
Has anyone heard from Vicki?
ql in ny
Not since last night. She and Gomez showed up briefly.
Does my heart good to know that Vicki is having a...um...ah...good weekend.
While I'm in favor of more progressive taxation generally, I have to say that where I live, in a place where in order to buy a fairly modest house you have to be what would be regarded as rich just about anyplace else, a raising of the AMT threshold would be welcome. That way, I could actually feel like we were members of the upper middle class with my MoBio PhD and my wife's high-dollar fundraising job.
I'm all for a fair tax burden; but hell the govt is taking 35+% in income tax up front, then figure in all the other taxes you are paying with the remainder: 6-10% State Income tax 45 cents/gallon gas tax (rough),and so on.
Then, they use the money, plus the next generations money too, in the War on Moisture and To Resubjegate Brown People killing people in the cradle of western civ and wonder why we get pissed?
We have a lot of damage repair to do in many places around the world.
The AMT is a bonanza for accountants.
It hits people who have heavy medical expenses or need to cash in stock because of an emergency.
There are ways to game it, especially through charitable contributions, but anyone who doesn't have a closetful of haut art probably should be very afraid of the AMT.
yes, tena. and his twin sister, who's hiding between the couch cushions just now. they rawq! altho, they were up at the ungodly hour of 4am this morning, jumping all over me and biting my toes.
These people need to stick their religion up their ass.
As per Ted Haggard?
apres mo
Silicone Jesus™. Robed for your pleasure...
higher taxes, activist judges and endless investigations?
I say we institute a 1000% excise tax on cheetohs!
Gee, sure are lots and lots of voices NOW. Guess that happens when you KICK THEIR ASSES.
BTW, how did Hillary spend $29M in her senate race? Which was not even a race?
it's called 'sharing the wealth', or, if you're of a more skeptical bent, 'greasing the skids'
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"I don't think the president misled the American people. I think intelligence misled the president," Gates said in March 2005, speaking to a conference at Texas A&M, where he is president.
Well, there was that weapons-inspectors-on-the-ground thing.
These people need to stick their religion up their ass.
As per Ted Haggard?
apres mo
Silicone Jesus™. Robed for your pleasure...
Elmer, PHD
On THAT note...
http://thumbsnap.com/v/IVzpyG02.jpg
someday, if i pray hard enough and eat all my vegetables, i may have to worry about taxation like this. in the meantime, i'm going to continue to enjoy the earn income credit thingy.
"I don't think the president misled the American people. I think intelligence misled the president," Gates said in March 2005, speaking to a conference at Texas A&M, where he is president.
And since that time, intelligence and the president have kept a great distance from each other.
How about no income limit for Social Security and unemployment taxes? ANd although we can raise the threshold once again, the Estate tax has got to be revived. Without it, nothing stands between us and a permanent all-powerful aristocracy.
i mean, how can i overcome this bundle of joy? it's unpossible.
chicago dyke - 10:36 am
wadda lil beezer!!!
I don't need the Dems to help me on this. I have my own brilliant plan to circumvent this stupid tax law. I'm going to reduce my gross income to below the level where this can affect me.
How 'bout them apples, Mr. IRS smartypants.
HA!
ChiDy: What have you named your little kits?
re: threw. i know, but blogger i bloggered and i can't fix it
NSA claims that "the govt is taking 35+% in income tax up front".
If you are middle class and paying 35%, get a new accountant.
The typical family pays 10% in income tax. They pay an additional ca. 7.5% in insurance costs for Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment. Ten percent tax rate, 7.5 percent insurance.
, they were up at the ungodly hour of 4am this morning, jumping all over me and biting my toes.
chicago dyk
Hahaha! Toe biters! Just like mine.
That's so cool.
What are our trolls so against the minimum wage going up?
Well, obviously it's because our trolls is so ethical and all that shit. They're well aware that they're worth far less than the $5.75 they're getting for pulling their puds while they're supposed to be running the Slurpee machine. They feel a sense of guilt for being paid so much more than they're worth, and they don't want to comound that guilt by arguing that they should be getting even more.
The typical family pays 10% in income tax.
Quick! Make me a typical family!
I was slammed with the AMT in 2005. And I expect the same in 2006.
Since there is certainly going to be an increase in my income tax, it seems more than fair for an appropriate adjustment in the AMT.
Raise the minumum wage.
Getting this done would make many suburban voters permanent Democrats.
"The AMT is a bonanza for accountants. "
--Charles
Filing federal income taxes are a bonanza for accountants. There is no way anymore that I can fill out my income tax forms and have a clue as to what I'm doing.
Aaaagh!!!! You used "impacted" as a substitute for "affected." I hate that!!!! Teeth get impacted, but not anything else. Otherwise, great post.
the rise in independent contractors is part of the solution.
report what you will.
Quick! Make me a typical family!
Dr. Barmpot Shouty-Crackers
Us, too! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!
Maurice Floquet, 111; oldest living French veteran of World War I
From Times Wire Reports
November 11, 2006
Maurice Floquet, 111, who had been France's oldest living World War I veteran, died Friday at his home in Montauroux in southern France, an association of veterans said.
With Floquet's death, only four French veterans of the Great War are still alive.
Born Dec. 25, 1894, Floquet joined the infantry in September 1914. He fought in France and Belgium and was seriously wounded twice. The first time, in the battle of the Somme in northern France, he was injured during hand-to-hand fighting and nearly suffocated on a clot of blood lodged in his throat, according to France's Defense Ministry.
The second time, on the Marne front in 1915, he was wounded in the head by a grenade — losing the use of one ear — and suffered bullet wounds in his left arm.
After the war, he married and worked as a repairman of cars, tractors and other agricultural machinery. He retired in 1952 and had been a widower since 1990. In 2005, he was honored by France with a Legion of Honor medal.
Floquet kept in shape by riding a stationary bicycle in his daughter's home, where he lived, L'Express magazine wrote last year. He often talked to school classes about his wartime experiences.
Floquet was moved "to be an old man, a 111-year-old who fought in World War I, meeting 12- and 13-year-old kids who only knew about the war from history books," Daniel Venget, who runs an association of veterans in southern France, told France-Inter radio.
Today France will mark the 88th anniversary of the end of World War I in a ceremony at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris. One of the surviving World War I veterans, 107-year-old Rene Riffaud, was expected to travel from his retirement home in Normandy to take part in the ceremony.
"I don't think the president misled the American people. I think intelligence misled the president," Gates said in March 2005, speaking to a conference at Texas A&M, where he is president.
Yeah and the Chinese weren't gonna invade Korea either. Intelligence figures out what the president wants to hear then gives it to him. If they don't they get fired and the president finds someone who will. And Gates knows that.
Aaaagh!!!! You used "impacted" as a substitute for "affected." I hate that!!!! Teeth get impacted, but not anything else. Otherwise, great post.
nolo
The impact of your post was great indeed. I'm sure Strunk and White are beaming down upon you.
Art says, "I don't need the Dems to help me on this. I have my own brilliant plan to circumvent this stupid tax law. I'm going to reduce my gross income to below the level where this can affect me."
That's exactly what wealthy people do, Art. For example, a person with 10 million dollars could have 1 million dollars at 5% in tax-exempt bonds and 9 million in other investments. The tax exempt part pays 50,000, come rain or shine-- and with no taxes. He can choose to recognize income from the rest of it in a way that he pays little or no taxes. Bush has made that very, very easy by making taxes on investment income lower than taxes on work.
whoever it was said "make every fucking dollar required to be reported subject to SS tax"
was right the fuck ON!
Good morning. Younger Son is roaming around the house this morning singing the Kazakhstan National Anthem ("all other countries are run by little girls..."). He is cracking me up.
and, get this, I spent most of the day yesterday at the dermatologist with the kid, who has SHINGLES!!!! They took pictures of him, said it was very rare in someone his age. He also has something called halo nevi, they took pictures of that too--kid is calling himself a biological phenomenon. He thinks it's funny.
We need to FIRE the corrupt, arbitrary and capricious non-governmental IRS, ELIMINATE the ILLEGAL Income Tax, EXCEPT for CORPORATIONS, and institute a 15% sales tax on everything except food and clothing, which is NOT much higher than the 10% more or less ALREADY charged in many states.
We need to FIRE the corrupt, arbitrary and capricious non-governmental IRS, ELIMINATE the ILLEGAL Income Tax, EXCEPT for CORPORATIONS, and institute a 15% sales tax on everything except food and clothing, which is NOT much higher than the 10% more or less ALREADY charged in many states.
USA '
O put a sock in it.
Mis-led by ginned-up intelligence. That's funny, Gates.
'Deserters' Remembered
Families of soldiers executed for cowardice in the first world war will be able to mark Remembrance Day properly for the first time since their relatives were pardoned.
Three hundred and six men were shot for cowardice or desertion during the four year conflict.
Three months ago the Ministry of Defence finally recognised that the men were probably suffering from post traumatic stress disorder, or 'shell shock' as it was then known.
The pardons came after decades of campaigning by the families.
On THAT note...
http://thumbsnap.com/v/IVzpyG02.jpg
Terry C, An American Again!
My caption for that would be "Look what you fuckers did to me. I'm gonna get you for this..."
There are other ways to raise taxes without raising taxes - say like cutting financial support for public universities so they have to raise tuition. Or whacking Pell grants so you have to pay more tuition.
Even when we were poor we paid more than 10% in federal taxes.
Back in the fifties the top rate was in the 90s. Of course, we created the interstate highway system, built most of the schools in use today, and made great strides in science and education. What a terrible time. Sure glad that's over with.
Why not tax clothing?
O put a sock in it.
Tena - 10:49 am
my sentiments exactly...
my little babies are Daweed, and Druscilla, jawbone. more cuteness here.
fuck off, haloscum. i mean it.
We need to FIRE the corrupt, arbitrary and capricious non-governmental IRS, ELIMINATE the ILLEGAL Income Tax, EXCEPT for CORPORATIONS, and institute a 15% sales tax on everything except food and clothing, which is NOT much higher than the 10% more or less ALREADY charged in many states.
USA
Personally, I prefer tariffs to any of this income or sales tax bs. Worked great for A hunnert and fifty or so years.
There are other ways to raise taxes without raising taxes - say like cutting financial support for public universities so they have to raise tuition. Or whacking Pell grants so you have to pay more tuition.
Troutski
Yup. One of Pelosi's priorities is apparently to lower the student loan interest rates and increase availability of Pell Grants.
O put a sock in it.
Tena
O put a sock in it.
Tena
If Republicans weren't such pricks there'd be a responsible way to do this - kill the AMT but increase marginal rates somewhere to make it roughly revenue neutral.
Well, let's see of we can take the edge off some of them. 
p.s. You have to go threw all of the song... That's through.
meanwhile in Iraq -
cnn headline:
National Guard's return to Iraq may break limits
National Guard combat brigades that have already served in Iraq may be called for a second tour, likely breaking the 24-month deployment limit initially set by the Pentagon, the Guard's top general said.
Oh, and stuff a sock in the end that ain't got a sock in it as well
Holy cow. Just read the post below--what an ass Carville is. Zell Miller?????
Bwhahahahahahahahahaa!
Oh Jeez, not another anti-tax nut.
I am a law librarian and I have to deal with these boobs on a daily basis and am forced to listen to their jabbering about how the Income Tax is unconstitutional.
There are other ways to raise taxes without raising taxes - say like cutting financial support for public universities so they have to raise tuition. Or whacking Pell grants so you have to pay more tuition.
Troutski
Yup. One of Pelosi's priorities is apparently to lower the student loan interest rates and increase availability of Pell Grants.
TJ
Universities already charge so damn much in tuition that a college education has almost quit being part of the "American Dream."
O put a sock in it.
Tena |
The IRS IS a private corporation and NOT a governmental agency, and the Income Tax IS Illegal, besides being a HUGE waste of time. A simple 15% percent tax on sales and real taxes on corporations makes imminent sense, so no, no sock.
We need to FIRE the corrupt, arbitrary and capricious non-governmental IRS, ELIMINATE the ILLEGAL Income Tax...
Live Free or Die here this morning?
Once again, I trudged down the hill to our local Remembrance Day ceremony, paying my respects with about 5,000 other locals, and once again, I left in disgust when they strike up "Onward Christian Soldiers."
Tomorrow will bring an act of stupendous hypocrisy and friends of Blairwatch should take care.
On Sunday, wearing his 'special serious statesman face' Tony Blair will lay a wreath at the Cenotaph. The man who sent soldiers out to die for a tissue of lies, the man who has never attended a funeral of a soldier killed by following his orders, the man who has never visited the wounded, the maimed, the disfigured.
The man who just can't face seeing the consequences of his actions, his errors. The man who doesn't want us to remember.
I can think of nothing more sickening, more offensive to the dead.
http://www.blairwatch.co.uk/node/1446
i'm with ql: let's get back to real taxation like we had in the 50s, starting with actual taxation of corporations. and put an end to off shore tax haven BS. if you do business in this country, you're taxed, regardless of where your "headquarters" are located.
Getting this done would make many suburban voters permanent Democrats.
Rich
*Gasp!* No kidding? I better run tell Harry...
The IRS IS a private corporation and NOT a governmental agency, and the Income Tax IS Illegal, besides being a HUGE waste of time. A simple 15% percent tax on sales and real taxes on corporations makes imminent sense,
Na ga ha pen.
How 'bout a wealth tax?
Mer says, "Filing federal income taxes are a bonanza for accountants. There is no way anymore that I can fill out my income tax forms and have a clue as to what I'm doing."
Last I checked, about 75% of all taxpayers were filing with the 1040EZ.
Granted, the 1040 gets messy, especially crap like foreign tax credits and basis calculations. But tax simplification is easy. Just declare all income to be, well, income.
Then there's no difference between money made from swinging a pick or flipping real estate or clipping coupons or trading stocks. Step 2: set the AMT up where it should be, at income levels of $250,000 and above.
End of story: 95% of people file with the 1040 and the rest are so rich they can pay the accountant.
The AMT is one of those ideas that sounded good at the beginning but has had terrible consequences. Anyone making reasonable salary but living in a very expensive area--read most of the Northeast--is penalized by this. I've long thought that the Northeast, as a Democratic zone, was being punished because of the GOP refusal to change the AMT.
Actually I keep wondering if a couple of the newer trolls really are not trolls. Come on, we can keep the energy going here without having to fake Trollery.
A simple 15% percent tax on sales and real taxes on corporations makes imminent sense, so no, no sock.
USA -10:54 am
apart from the seriously regressive nature of it, you mean?
sorry, shitwhistle, it's the sock for you...
if you do business in this country, you're taxed, regardless of where your "headquarters" are located.
Dick DeVos will hate it.
dam. Knead coughy. Kant spel wurth sheet dis moorning.
The IRS IS a private corporation and NOT a governmental agency, and the Income Tax IS Illegal, besides being a HUGE waste of time. A simple 15% percent tax on sales and real taxes on corporations makes imminent sense, so no, no sock.
USA
Still have found the sock drawer yet? The sox you stuff don't have to match, y'know. In fact, you'd look with mismatched sox
Universities already charge so damn much in tuition that a college education has almost quit being part of the "American Dream."
Tena
I know. North Carolina just passed a law setting a cap on how much NC state universities can raise tuition every year. Which is a good thing. Even so, it's going to be a huge huge struggle for us to send them to college.
Thanks, Repukes!
IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL JUST DO 15 MINUTES RESEARCH. Here's a keyword: Arron Russo. Here's another: 1913
Easy to be dissmissive, hard to do the STUDY. But, when you've DONE the study, you KNOW what you are talking about.
Nice wind band on c-span.
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socks aren't enough, I vote for the bottle rocket...
There are other ways to raise taxes without raising taxes - say like cutting financial support for public universities so they have to raise tuition. Or whacking Pell grants so you have to pay more tuition.
Troutski
The whole point of Republican rule is to bankrupt the treasury by making tax cuts at the high end and then rebalance it partially by taking it out of the hides of working people. Making education more expensive actually works in their favor three ways. In addition to being a regressive tax, it increases the general ignorance on which their propaganda feeds, and also makes the class boundaries they are trying to maintain more rigid.
The IRS IS a private corporation and NOT a governmental agency, and the Income Tax IS Illegal, besides being a HUGE waste of time. A simple 15% percent tax on sales and real taxes on corporations makes imminent sense, so no, no sock.
USA
Do something about that sticking caps key, wouldja?
Nitwit.
There are other ways to raise taxes without raising taxes - say like cutting financial support for public universities so they have to raise tuition. Or whacking Pell grants so you have to pay more tuition.
Bob Errrr-LICK did that the first week he was in office in MD. Cost me a butt-load of money as my daugher was attending a MD college at the time.
"i'm with ql: let's get back to real taxation like we had in the 50s, starting with actual taxation of corporations. and put an end to off shore tax haven BS. if you do business in this country, you're taxed, regardless of where your "headquarters" are located."
Toss in a penalty for moving jobs offshore and it all sounds good.
i'm with ql: let's get back to real taxation like we had in the 50s, starting with actual taxation of corporations. and put an end to off shore tax haven BS. if you do business in this country, you're taxed, regardless of where your "headquarters" are located.
chicago dyke
did you see that clip of jim webb on dobbs last nite. he is going to be a terrific advocate on these issues -- he's very direct and clearspoken so the average nitwit can grasp what he's talking about. he just gives such a kick in the ass to the mojo of the democrats, i'm really looking forward to his term.
The typical family pays 10% in income tax. They pay an additional ca. 7.5% in insurance costs for Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment. Ten percent tax rate, 7.5 percent insurance.
Charles |
Hah. Maybe for you.
Here's some examples and let's hear what other people are paying in real world tax percentages.
2004: Gross $48K; Taxable income $27K; taxes - income $3400 + 15% SE tax - $6880; state $2000; (and I won't start with county, and others taxes like 45 cent/gallon on gas).
so just that alone is $12,280 or 45% in real world taxes.
Labour drafts in US election architect for 'our midterms'
Howard Dean to advise party on campaigning strategy ahead of key May vote
Labour has enlisted one of the engineers of this week's Democratic victory in the US midterm elections in an attempt to boost its flagging fortunes before the local elections in May.
Howard Dean, the former presidential candidate and one of the men credited with masterminding the trouncing of the Republicans, will visit the UK next month to brief party officials about his pioneering campaigning techniques.
"The Welsh, Scottish and local elections next year are our midterms," said Hazel Blears, Labour's chair. "It has to be done differently for us to carry on being successful ... We're looking at how [the Democrats] have upped their game."
McGovern has lobbied to begin withdrawl in December and out entirely in six months. This is doable, in spite of a pridictable reaction among our Republican friends.
In fact, you'd look with
TRY to form COHERENT sentences.
Fixing the AMT is a great idea, but I still say fixing the health care system needs to be the number one priority. Mr. TJ thinks the Dems are gun-shy because of the Clinton debacle, but if they are reading the polls, they have to know this is what America wants. And I don't think Americans will fall for the Harry and Louise ads this time...
"I don't think the president misled the American people. I think intelligence misled the president," Gates said in March 2005, speaking to a conference at Texas A&M, where he is president
Well, since he had a hand in producing misleading intelligence about Pakistan's nuke deveolopment and the state of the Soviet economy, I guess he would know how to get the job done.
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Maurice Floquet, 111, who had been France's oldest living World War I veteran, died Friday at his home in Montauroux in southern France, an association of veterans said.
Cripes, he couldn't hang on one more day?
There are just a few of these vets left.
Na ga ha pen.
pie - 10:55 am
no shud it...the kapitalist economy REQUIRES an underclass which ought not be further penalized for their misfortune with the tax code...
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Nitwit.
Tena
DO some STUDY before dismissing FACTS, and NO replys would be NECESSITATED. Cutiepie.
Making education more expensive actually works in their favor three ways. In addition to being a regressive tax, it increases the general ignorance on which their propaganda feeds, and also makes the class boundaries they are trying to maintain more rigid.
blerb
Well said. Exactly.
Trade the restoration of the AMT to it's original intent for an phased increase in the income level for Social Security that is automatically triggered by average national income levels.
So if the average national income level increases five percent, the maximum income for Social Security Taxes goes up by five percent.
No one gets screwed because the increase is always tracking income.
Nice trick shot off the tuba bell.
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Aaaagh!!!! You used "impacted" as a substitute for "affected." I hate that!!!! Teeth get impacted, but not anything else. Otherwise, great post.
nolo
The impact of your post was great indeed. I'm sure Strunk and White are beaming down upon you.
"Impact" is a very nice noun. "Affected" is a very nice verb. The verb-ization of nouns like "impact" in order to make them take the place of very nice verbs like "affected" is not the kind of sloppy bastardization of the language that I expect from smart folks like Atrios. Convenience store managers, maybe, but not Atrios.
Levelling the Playing Field for Local Enterprise
Off to Lowe's for a new rake.
later, gators.
It's so nice to feel happy and hopeful for a change!
A simple 15% percent tax on sales and real taxes on corporations makes imminent sense, so no, no sock.
USA -10:54 am
apart from the seriously regressive nature of it, you mean?
Not only that but for small businesses (something that republicans are supposed to support being "conservatives") sales taxes are a paperwork burden.
socks aren't enough, I vote for the bottle rocket...
nick carraway
Nick's rite. How 'bout putting one of those heavy duty Hefty cinch sax over yer head?
DO some STUDY before dismissing FACTS, and NO replys would be NECESSITATED. Cutiepie.
USA
Er, the word is "replies"
ql - You know, my dad didn't start making good money until after the war. From the 50s forward, my family just kept doing better.
Seems to belie that claim that the taxes were so horrible it was killing everyone. In fact, every one of my peers growing up seemed to be living in a family that steadily did better every year, and most had only one income.
Wonder how that happened?
did you see that clip of jim webb on dobbs last nite.
Yep. I agree. A no BS kind of guy. Intense and articulate. Makes Macacawitz look like Goober Pyle.
Universities already charge so damn much in tuition that a college education has almost quit being part of the "American Dream."
Tena
Of all the shitty things these motherfuckers have done, I think this is the one that makes me the angriest. In the whole rest of the Goddamn civilized world, ANYONE who is acadenmically qualified can get an excellent college education. It just makes my blood boil the way they have dumbed down our people.
whoever it was said "make every fucking dollar required to be reported subject to SS tax"
was right the fuck ON!
Woody Guthrie's Guitar
Could ease into it by subjecting income above the cap to a "supplemental" SS levy of 5% or so. (Sort of a "progressive OASI Tax) The cap is just a way to keep the well-off from inadvertantly helping out the, ahem...lower economic echelons. Wouldn't want that to happen, now would we?
DO some STUDY before dismissing FACTS, and NO replys would be NECESSITATED. Cutiepie.
USA - 11:00 am
we here have a favored refrain for the likes of you, shitwhistle:
FUCK OFF AND DIE!!! FOAD fer short...
go wring the santorum outta your shorts...
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From the 50s forward, my family just kept doing better.
In those days it seemed that the focus was on "doing better" than you had previously, and better than your parents had done.
It didn't seem as necessary as it is for so many these days to being "doing better" than everyone else.
Universities need to return to their medieval roots - scholars working co-operatively and independently of the state
Not as technocratic factories producing corporate office drones
The whole idea and purpose of a university has been totally perverted
IMHO
Blubbering about leaving chaos behind in Iraq comes under the heading of; "We should've thought about that before we invaded!"
Hey Nick, try facts not adhominems, since that's why we KICKED GOP ASS despite their every best effort.
On Sunday, wearing his 'special serious statesman face' Tony Blair will lay a wreath at the Cenotaph. The man who sent soldiers out to die for a tissue of lies, the man who has never attended a funeral of a soldier killed by following his orders, the man who has never visited the wounded, the maimed, the disfigured.
The man who just can't face seeing the consequences of his actions, his errors. The man who doesn't want us to remember.
Just like his buddy, Monkey Boy.
Universities already charge so damn much in tuition that a college education has almost quit being part of the "American Dream."
Tena
Of all the shitty things these motherfuckers have done, I think this is the one that makes me the angriest. In the whole rest of the Goddamn civilized world, ANYONE who is acadenmically qualified can get an excellent college education. It just makes my blood boil the way they have dumbed down our people
I agree. I do not understand how other countries can send everyone to university whose academic qualifications merit it and we can't. We make people mortgage their entire lives to educate their children. It's obscene.
nolo | Homepage | 11.11.06 - 11:01 am | #
tena, hand me a sock.
Jeez,
I've been paying into the tax system and have funded the misadventures of the US of Amazement since the middle of the Vietnam War, so pardon me if I feel like some of our tax money has been spent unwisely.
replys
They're always known by their inability to form the plural. Sad, really. A tell, nevertheless.
AND WHO THE HELL HAS THE COLON SEPARATOR THIS TIME????????
"Impact" is a very nice noun. "Affected" is a very nice verb. The verb-ization of nouns like "impact" in order to make them take the place of very nice verbs like "affected" is not the kind of sloppy bastardization of the language that I expect from smart folks like Atrios. Convenience store managers, maybe, but not Atrios.
nolo
I'm sure the impact of your defence of the purity of the English Language will cause the rest of us to watch our Ps & Qs from now on. Thank you Edwin Fuqin' Newman.
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Hey Woody, right back atcha. Only when you look at the facts, they support the argument.
Hey Woody, right back atcha. Only when you look at the facts, they support the argument.
Hey Nick, try facts not adhominems, since that's why we KICKED GOP ASS despite their every best effort.
USA
What's this we shit, kemosabe?
Ain't no we with steeenking libertarians.
did you see that clip of jim webb on dobbs last nite.
Yep. I agree. A no BS kind of guy. Intense and articulate.
Hecate and I were agreeing last night that it seems that Webb didn't really come to life in this campaign until the Republicans attacked his novels. Then it was like someone had poked a sleeping lizard with a stick.
Webb clearly never liked campaigning (and especially asking for money) and up until that point his campaign had pretty much sucked, IMO.
But he's got his land legs now, it seems.
chi-dyke - here's a nice thick pair of hiking socks.
Have at it - stuff both in there, please. You are just the woman to do it.
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did you see that clip of jim webb on dobbs last nite. he is going to be a terrific advocate on these issues -- he's very direct and clearspoken so the average nitwit can grasp what he's talking about. he just gives such a kick in the ass to the mojo of the democrats, i'm really looking forward to his term.
linda |
..did he talk about keeping "whores" out of the military?...
..or mock executions of blacks?..
...or about fathers sexually molesting their own children?..
...or about how he uses the "N" word...but never in a derogatory way?
Hey Woody, right back atcha. Only when you look at the facts, they support the argument.
USA - 11:06 am
that would depend on what you take to be 'facts,' now wouldn't it?
no facts of which i am aware would make a universal sales tax less than regressive...
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If we want to discuss middle class tax relief, how about extending the capital gains tax break to one investment property in addition to the primary residence, while raising it for anything beyond that? A lot of people get screwed when they try to cash in their nest eggs if they were in the form of vacation homes. It would basically be like letting people have IRA's in the form of Real Estate.
OT, from MoDo:
"W. had no choice but to make an Oedipal U-turn. He couldn’t let Nancy Pelosi subpoena the cranky Rummy for hearings on Iraq. “He’s not exactly Mr. Charming or Mr. Truthful, and he’d be on TV saying something stupid,” said a Bush 41 official. “Bob can just go up to the Hill and say: ‘I don’t know. I wasn’t there when that happened.’ ”
Can anyone explain this to me? Am I missing something or is Rummy just as vunerable to congressional subpoena after he leaves in a few weeks? Does MoDo really believe that Rummy won't be giving testimony? The fact that he will be the ex-SecDef will be small comfort for W when we hear about the Fiasco that was the Iraq war plan.
I agree. I do not understand how other countries can send everyone to university whose academic qualifications merit it and we can't. We make people mortgage their entire lives to educate their children. It's obscene.
Tena
Elementary, my dear T. Other countries don't support a world spanning Warfare State.
tena, hand me a sock.
chicago dyke |
Buy your own damned socks..
..you can use part of that EIC that we the taxpayers are subsidizing your lazy ass with
"Webb didn't really come to life in this campaign until the Republicans attacked his novels."
He writes books.
Macaca probably has trouble even reading them.
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..did he talk about keeping "whores" out of the military?...
..or mock executions of blacks?..
...or about fathers sexually molesting their own children?..
...or about how he uses the "N" word...but never in a derogatory way?
liberal jeenyu
Did he talk about the fact that you lost?
Quit whining, you little bitch. You lost. Get the fuck over it.
I do not understand how other countries can send everyone to university whose academic qualifications merit it and we can't.
In this country the only "merit" you really need is money. How and why do you think chimpy was allowed to get his degrees?
...or about how he uses the "N" word...but never in a derogatory way?
liberal jeenyus
juju, we're talking about Webb here, not your butt buddy Macacawitz. Try to keep up.
..you can use part of that EIC that we the taxpayers are subsidizing your lazy ass with
lying jerkoff
Since the repetitious bullshit isn't working, it's resorting to personal attacks.
Against people about whose lives he knows nothing.
"In those days it seemed that the focus was on "doing better" than you had previously, and better than your parents had done."
Not sure how this adds in but two things I have seen frequently in the last few years.
1. I see a lot of people who are doing far worse then their parents.
2. An expectation to do as well as their parents at a young age in lieu of building up to and surpassing their parents.
3. The lack of opportunities to accomplish no. 2.
I agree. I do not understand how other countries can send everyone to university whose academic qualifications merit it and we can't. We make people mortgage their entire lives to educate their children. It's obscene.
Tena
Other countries? Until 20 years ago, that was the mandate of the California State system, and it was enforced. Any Cal resident who was qualified to attend was -able- to attend and could -afford- to attend one of the three tiers of post-secondary education. How else otherwise could I possibly have acquired so many degrees? We hadn't any money for that kind of thing.
Please do not feed the nasty trolls.
USA...bad parody? mmm, yeah, I THINK so.
That or he needs to keep the cat off the SHIFT keY...
Damn, I mangled that again.
Oh well.
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Woody, the facts I was refering to are that the IRS is not a US government entity, but a private corporation set up in 1913 immediately after a late-night last minute boondoggle which changed our constitution to allow for an individual income tax which had prior to that been illegal and specifically prohibited.
Republicans do not merely want to be rich, they want everyone else to be poor.
Macaca probably has trouble even reading them.
Terry C, An American Again!
Let him watch the movies, then. There are those, too.
hey troll: you lost! have a sock.
In Canada, the federal portion of the sales tax is refunded to people with low incomes. Every three months poor people get a little check-- not a ton of money, but enough to help out a bit.
In Canada, the federal portion of the sales tax is refunded to people with low incomes. Every three months poor people get a little check-- not a ton of money, but enough to help out a bit.
..did he talk about keeping "whores" out of the military?...
No one is stopping you from enlisting.
Universities need to return to their medieval roots - scholars working co-operatively and independently of the state
Well, I guess that's fine if your family can affod to support you and you study something like classical literature, which requires no infrastructure.
If, OTOH, you are trying to do something like biomedical research, which, you know, actually saves people's lives and stuff like that, then you are shit out of luck.
Your "office drones" assertion is a scurrilous canard. Please rethink it.
USA claims, "The IRS IS a private corporation..."
This is clear evidence that the way that Republicans are made is by taking ordinary people and making them very, very stupid.
Republicans do not merely want to be rich, they want everyone else to be poor.
shawk
Bottom line with them.
Moonbootica -- thanks for the Pollard article. It always amazes me how prolific he is. I wonder if he ever sleeps.
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11:11 am, East Coast.
Charles, for those of us who make a real living, you can add 15.6% to 10% or more - minimum 26%+ in fed taxes alone.
This is no where near your numbers.
it always amuses me when trolls try to make me feel guilty for being poor. like i'd want to be in the company of richies like bush, no thanks.
the best and most honest, interesting, and amusing people are often the poorest. it may be nice to have a lot of money, but it will never buy true love, happiness or friendship. every one of my rich friends is living proof of that.
11:11 on 11/11 - break on through to the other side.
I had the privilege of learning about the "boondoggle" origins of the IRS a few years ago... it turns out the same people who were behind that also, over the years, ordered the assassinations of Lincoln & JFK, and orchestrated the fall of Nixon, all because they attempted to tamper with the money system.
I bet you can guess what particular group of people that turned out to be... so I'm sure today's guest understands why I won't bother going past the ad hominem...
'bye
Woody, the facts I was refering to are that the IRS is not a US government entity, but a private corporation set up in 1913 immediately after a late-night last minute boondoggle
Seems you have your facts discombobulated. In 1913 the 16th Amendment was ratified, making it CONSTITUTIONAL for the government to levy taxes on income. Hardly a "last minute boondoggle".
http://tinyurl.com/ydr7p7
Oh, I should add, the person who "educated" me about the federal reserve system *knows* the same group is behind our Iraqi misadventure as well.
On c-span at the memorial ceremony, that USMC Band director is new to me.
Assistant Director Captain Michelle A. Rakers joined “The President’s Own” United States Marine Band in May 1998 as a trumpeter/cornetist. She was appointed Assistant Director and commissioned a first lieutenant in July 2004 and promoted to her current rank by the Commandant of the Marine Corps General Michael W. Hagee on Jan. 1, 2006. She is both the first female Assistant Director and first female commissioned officer in the history of “The President’s Own.”
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the best and most honest, interesting, and amusing people are often the poorest. it may be nice to have a lot of money, but it will never buy true love, happiness or friendship. every one of my rich friends is living proof of that.
chicago dyke |
Your rich friends agree.
Hurricane on Saturn.
USA claims, "The IRS IS a private corporation..."
This is clear evidence that the way that Republicans are made is by taking ordinary people and making them very, very stupid.
Charles | Homepage | 11.11.06 - 11:15 am | #
Quite so, that is how Republicans are made, by cheating and last minute boondoggles at the expense of the American People. This is only one of many, many reasons why I am not a republican, but a liberal left wing democrat. And a few minutes research will definitely confirm both that the IRS is not a federal agency, but a private corporation and that the Income Tax was never intended for Individuals, only for Corporations.
Woody, the facts I was refering to are that the IRS is not a US government entity, but a private corporation set up in 1913
Aw, jeez, a 1913-er. You listen to shortwave, keep up on all the latest conspiracies? How's Sherman Skolnick doing these days?
Mis-led by ginned-up intelligence. That's funny, Gates.
Tim Finnegan | Homepage | 11.11.06 - 10:50 am
And, as an artist in that field, he oughta know. A leading edge ginner-upper, that Bob Gates.
it may be nice to have a lot of money, but it will never buy true love, happiness or friendship. every one of my rich friends is living proof of that.
chicago dyke |
If the main source of hardship in your life is that you have no money, money can in fact buy you happiness. Being homeless, hungry, and shabby sucks a lot. If everything else about your life is fucked up, no amountof money can fix it.
blerb | 11.11.06 - 11:15 am | #
guess it depends on what you think education is for
a skills factory for the corporate economy
or something that is good in itself, the old skool humanist approach.
who defines useful?
regarding bolton for the UN or any other crap repubs wanna push through:
Somebody ask frist if the nuclear option is still on the table
And a few minutes research will definitely confirm both that the IRS is not a federal agency
Wrong. Click the link
http://tinyurl.com/ydr7p7
The rich are neither happier nor sadder than the poor. They merely have more money.
And money does help. It cuts way down on the complications of every day life.
But it has no intrinsic goodness or badness. Only people do.
cs, art is bread | 11.11.06 - 11:16 am | #
indeed
I guess what I am trying to come to is what is the expectation for a young person and family as compared to their parents at the same age in a different era.
It used to be that that young person should be further ahead at the same age. But it seems to be going in reverse now.
But then is the expectation now too far ahead.
I have watched twenty somethings acquire everything their parents had when the kid left home. So they have the big house, the better furniture, the better cars and so on. They instantly create their parent's level of living. Then quickly succumb to bankruptcy.
On top of that, the earning opportunities are inadequate at that age to move towards that lifestyle in a reasonable time.
take my room mate, for example. trustifarian, blue blood, and completely friendless. it's very sad. he hasn't had a girl friend in a decade. drunk by 11am every frickin day. and all he talks about, when he's sober enough for form sentences: how much his family hates each other, because they're constantly squabbling over, of course, money.
why does education have to be "useful"?
In my seemingly long life I have been flush and dirt poor. The main difference is that when you have more money, you spend more money. Everything else remains about the same.
I have friends who are quite wealthy and ones that are pretty poor (like me) and I do not really differentiate that much. The divide is more in perception than reality - on both sides.
But if you are asking me if I want money at the cost of taking it from someone else (like my employees) the answer is simple: no. Just not that important to me.
independent self supporting scholars not bankrolled by corporate/state interests would be a good thing
but I don't expect see any of that happening in the US/UK anytime soon heh.
Real cutenesses, ChiDy! And now, in honor of you're not having to clean leaves from gutters, away I go to the roof--to clean leaves out of gutters. Slow moving heavy-ish rains on the way, per TV weather people.
Sort of unusual here in northern NJ: Leaves are mostly off earlier for some reason--mostly due to high winds a while ago. Often, oaks don't drop their leaves until end of November/early December. I've raked and bagged leaves with snow on 'em. Not fun.
Later, happy batsies.
Chicagodyke - you cannot draw large generalities from a handful of known people. You cannot extrapolate from that that rich people are friendless and unhappy cause that is not so.
Money has no personality or virtue or immorality of its own. It affects people - there is no doubt about that. But you cannot go from that to making a statement that rich people are not has happy as poor people. That doesn't hold up.
I'm sorry - I know unhappy people with money and I know happy people with money. I know unhappy poor people and some who aren't, but they'd rather have the money just the same-y.
moe: way cool! thanks for the link.
while i agree with you, tena, to me, it seems that money often complicates people's lives in ways little else does. my favorite movie on this point: a simple plan. back before billy bob got the facelift and wasn't so full of himself, i highly recommend it.
I'm increasingly aware of the role class plays in our society. Class and money aren't exactly coincidental, but it's pretty close.
Education is the process by which an individual creates the practical, intellectual tools with which she or he apprehends and shapes the realities of their existence...
trustifarian, blue blood, and completely friendless. it's very sad. he hasn't had a girl friend in a decade.
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I know a lot of du Pont-down-the-liners and there is massive alcoholism, much bitter in-fighting (a family also known for in-breeding) and a lot of teh gay.
I always wondered if some of the gays were rebelling against the traits of misery they had to grow under.
The Fiat Money System is a scam, as our Constitution originally provided that Congress, and only congress, had the authority to issue currency.
The Federal Reserve was created and given these powers in yet another secretive boondoggle, creating a situation where this country can NEVER get out of debt. That is why we need to reinstate the basis of our currency.
Likewise, the IRS is a pseudo-governnmental agency, but not in fact a genuine US government agency, it is a private corporation, and the constitution originally provided that there should be NO tax on individual income, only on corporations.
Prohibition was repealed, and so can these things and others be, if we summon the political will to do so. Given the destruction the GOP has caused using these mechanisms, it would behoove us to do so.
t just makes my blood boil the way they have dumbed down our people.
blerb
hurumph.. I argued long and passionately against the first increase in tuition in the State Univiersity of New York with an assemblyman back in 1990. One of my main arguments was that if you break the tradition and start raising tuitions it will become a habit. And it has. No way a poor kid can attend the system now without working full time as well. And I truly believe that working full time while attending college takes away from the learning experience. It then just becomes a means for earning more money instead of a true educational experience. Sucks big time.
Morning, all.
I've been related to very wealthy people, and it was pretty weird. They didn't think of themselves as rich, despite having multiple homes.
There are all kinds of capital; only some of them are financial.
I loved A Simple Plan...simply, awesomely true.
President Bush’s job approval rating has fallen to just 31 percent, according to the new NEWSWEEK Poll.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1566...2/site/
newsweek
He'll surpass his dad in all things.
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regarding bolton for the UN or any other crap repubs wanna push through:
Somebody ask frist if the nuclear option is still on the table
hadenough
I was wondering about that myself!
And I see that the weekend troll shift got the schedule messed up. Don't they know that some of them are supposed to be elsewhere?
I love that movie. That is one of the best studies of what greed does I've ever seen. It's incredibly entertaining to watch her change over the money.
while i agree with you, tena, to me, it seems that money often complicates people's lives in ways little else does
It does - there's no doubt that it can. It can come between the wealthy person and the rest of the world.
But I do not believe that people in poverty are content to stay in poverty because that is somehow better for their character.
independent self supporting scholars not bankrolled by corporate/state interests would be a good thing
but I don't expect see any of that happening in the US/UK anytime soon heh.
Moonbootica, Cat Lady
We tend to be both poor and ignored. Otherwise tho, the path has its perks. Look at Atrios! He's made that independent scholar thing pay!
Off to the best darned consignment store in town, to see what can be seen. Be good. Try not to invade Belgium.
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I for one would like to see the Democrats refuse to comment on BushCheney violations of federal law and the Constitution...
(wait for it)
...due to the ongoing investigation.
oh, don't get me wrong tena: your point is very sound. still, i have gone to private schools and been surrounded by the very wealthy for most of my life, and really- it seems like very often they have to think and worry about their money in ways that even a very poor person never does. i've lost sleep and been unhappy about being poor, but i feel more sorry for my rich friends who constantly worry that someone will take theirs away, or that they can't trust anyone in their lives, etc. it's nice to know that people love or hate me based on who i am, and not what's (not) in my bank account.
As for tax burden, here's a piece by CBPP from 1999:
income tax paid by the median family: "The Congressional Budget Office estimates that a median-income family — a family exactly in the middle of the income distribution — will pay 18.9 percent of its income in federal taxes in 1999. The CBO analysis includes the effect of income taxes, Social Security and other social insurance taxes, excise taxes, and corporate income taxes. The median-income family in the CBO analysis has income of approximately $39,000."
So, ca. 7.5% in Social Security, Medicare, unemployment (insurance), and 18.9-7.5 = 11.4% in income taxes.
People who paid more either (1) had a very bad accountant, (2) had a very unusual tax situation, or (3) were a lot wealthier than they thought. The latter is what one generally finds.
I do think taxes can be simplified and lowered for the middle class. What would be even better, though, is for wages to go up. If typical families had gotten their fair share of productivity gains, incomes would be something like 30% higher. I'd rather pay 15% on an income of $51,000 than 10% on an income of $39,000, since takehome is a h--l of a lot more.
independent self supporting scholars not bankrolled by corporate/state interests would be a good thing
the last one of those to have an impact in the intellectual life of the US was the ex-pat Count Alfred Krzbsky, a polish noble who escaped the Nazis. he is bet known as the 'founder' of "General Semantics"
You listen to shortwave, keep up on all the latest conspiracies?
Don't forget that the whole concept of paper money is unconstitutional.
I find the 1913ers a charming group. It's good, old fashioned Zurich gnome stuff.
Wag the elephant.
Why is Gary Sinice introducing organizaton leaders at the Vet ceremony? Is he a vet advocate of some sort?
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Try not to invade Belgium.
But it's just sitting there!
I've been related to very wealthy people, and it was pretty weird. They didn't think of themselves as rich, despite having multiple homes.
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that is the nutshell of why greed exopands exponentially..one doesn't feel one ever has enough.
Cliches become cliches for a reason and the bottom line (ha!) is that there is no free lunch (double ha! for that cliche).
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Money brings a different set of problems. Most people are more than happy to shoulder that burden.
I hear the cries for sympathy for the born rich.
But I usually just shut the window and turn the music up.
Why is Gary Sinice introducing organizaton leaders at the Vet ceremony? Is he a vet advocate of some sort?
no, but he played one in the movies...
he's one of the chickenhawks, iirc; younger, and 'kewler' than Tom Selleck (who?)
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I gotta go play with a four year old. See ya'all later.
that is the nutshell of why greed exopands exponentially..one doesn't feel one ever has enough.
Nancy Willing |
That is the human condition. The Buddhists built an entire religion based solely on that reality right there.
QuentinCompson, looks like Holden will be able to add ponies to his stable in a week or two. 29% is on 2 less than 31%.
How come when Mario Savio was raging against the corporatization of the university California state university tuition was free, but as business took over costs to students went up.
one doesn't feel one ever has enough.
A pied-a-terre in the West Village, a beach house on Fire Island, a house in the Berkshires/Shawanagunks.
They called themselves comfortable.
To be fair, the money was earned in that generation, and in a pretty honest way. It was the kids that drove me crazy.
well, i suppose it's time to enjoy the sunshine. hey, it's free after all! everyone have a terrific day, and don't forget to gloat. rich or poor, you're one step closer to the Restoration of Constitutional Democracy in America.
and gloating: also free.
fuck bush, and haloscan!
Aw, jeez, a 1913-er. You listen to shortwave, keep up on all the latest conspiracies? How's Sherman Skolnick doing these days?
Elmer, PHD | Homepage | 11.11.06 - 11:22 am | #
And again it is easy to be dismissive and wave a broad brush, it is more difficult to find the truth of things. I do not know who Sherman Skolnick is, so perhaps you have even more reading in the area than I. If Mr. Waxman is given the authority he should by rights get, much of the malfeasance enabled by some of these underlying historical facts may come to light, and that would be good for all of us.
Aw, jeez, a 1913-er. You listen to shortwave, keep up on all the latest conspiracies? How's Sherman Skolnick doing these days?
Elmer, PHD | Homepage | 11.11.06 - 11:22 am | #
And again it is easy to be dismissive and wave a broad brush, it is more difficult to find the truth of things. I do not know who Sherman Skolnick is, so perhaps you have even more reading in the area than I. If Mr. Waxman is given the authority he should by rights get, much of the malfeasance enabled by some of these underlying historical facts may come to light, and that would be good for all of us.
guess it depends on what you think education is for
a skills factory for the corporate economy
or something that is good in itself, the old skool humanist approach.
who defines useful?
Moonbootica, Cat Lady
You think in excessively cut-and-dried dichotomies, Moonbo. Don't you think there is any territory between knowledge for its own sake and knowledge solely for the sake of some shadowy population of corporate overlords?
As to who defines useful, I'll use my case. I study gene regulation events in T cell development and the induction of central tolerance in the immune system. Therefore, I'd say that pretty much every one of the millions of people in the world who are afflicted with Diabetes, Rheumatoid arthritis, Multiple Sclerosis, Systemic Lupus Erythomatosis, athsma, or a host of lesser-known autoimmune diseases would regard what I do for a living as extrememly useful.
When you choose an ultimate path in life, you will get to make your own asessment as to who might find what you do useful. But you don't get to glibly dismiss my efforts to find cures for diseases that destroy people's lives as just being a cog in some evil corporate machine. That pisses me off.
Bush is at 31% in the Newsweek poll. ALl time low. What does Holden get if Bush hits 29%?
What does Holden get if Bush hits 29%?
Laid.
independent self supporting scholars not bankrolled by corporate/state interests would be a good thing
but I don't expect see any of that happening in the US/UK anytime soon heh.
Moonbootica, Cat Lady
We tend to be both poor and ignored. Otherwise tho, the path has its perks. Look at Atrios! He's made that independent scholar thing pay!
Off to the best darned consignment store in town, to see what can be seen. Be good. Try not to invade Belgium.
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Dr. Barmpot Shouty-Crackers
It can be done, but it is not easy.
As an inventor, I make a fairly good living as an independent thinker.
What makes it hard?
You have to have good ideas.
As the FDA just approved my lung cleaner, I may have a somewhat better living in the future.
Actually, for whatever reason, and I doubt very much that it's because I'm so great - I'm content.
We've done well and we are comfortable and reasonably secure. I will never be able to afford many things I admire greatly, but it doesn't eat away at me. I don't want or need anything that much. I'm very lucky, and I'm very happy.
I'm sorry - I know unhappy people with money and I know happy people with money. I know unhappy poor people and some who aren't, but they'd rather have the money just the same-y.
Tena
Life is just easier when you're not worrying about paying the rent every two weeks. Get it paid on the 15th of the month to avoid a late fee, and before ya know it, it is the first of the month and it is due again.
USA, jsut so you don't miss billy's link, here it is again: http://tinyurl.com/ydr7p7
Are you sure that you aren't confusing the IRS and the Federal Reserve? The Fed is a QUANGO. The IRS is a bureau of the Treasury Department, and is listed so on Treasury's page: http://www.treasury.gov/offices/...ces/tax-policy/
As the FDA just approved my lung cleaner, I may have a somewhat better living in the future.
Congratulations!!
The AMT needs to be changed, or abolished, but at the same time, EVERY LAST ONE of the Chimperor's tax cut needs to be repealed.
Oh, and a surtax on all revenue derived from contracting in Iraq needs to be put in place.
Get it paid on the 15th of the month to avoid a late fee, and before ya know it, it is the first of the month and it is due again.
ql in ny
Wow, this happens to other people too?
Life is just easier when you're not worrying about paying the rent every two weeks.
Or when you don't have to return cans to buy food.
Why is Gary Sinice introducing organizaton leaders at the Vet ceremony? Is he a vet advocate of some sort?
no, but he played one in the movies...
he's one of the chickenhawks, iirc; younger, and 'kewler' than Tom Selleck (who?)
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Woody Guthrie's Guitar
Sinise's a winger.
Bush is at 31% in the Newsweek poll. ALl time low. What does Holden get if Bush hits 29%?
trifecta
Wasn't there a 29% a few months back?
Oh, and a surtax on all revenue derived from contracting in Iraq needs to be put in place.
I would like to see that a lot.
Life is just easier when you're not worrying about paying the rent every two weeks.
Or when you don't have to return cans to buy food.
Molly
Look, it really is. It really does simplify a lot of things. It frees you up to worry about something else, because we all know that's one thing humans do.
Bush is at 31% in the Newsweek poll. ALl time low.
trifecta
And yet we still have people supporting him.
WTF?
And again it is easy to be dismissive and wave a broad brush, it is more difficult to find the truth of things.
Please. You are full of shit. I did the few minutes of research and your take is not correct.
that is the nutshell of why greed exopands exponentially..one doesn't feel one ever has enough.
"I'd give it all up...for just a little bit more" -- Monty Burns
The immortal words of Randy Newman:
All of these people are much brighter than I
In any fair system they would flourish and thrive
But they barely survive
They eke out a living and they barely survive
Then I talked to a man lived up on the county line
I was washing his car with a friend of mine
He was a little fat guy in a red jumpsuit
I said "You look kind of funny"
He said "I know that I do"
"But I got a great big house on the hill here
And a great big blonde wife inside it
And a great big pool in my backyard and another great big pool
beside it
Sonny it's money that matters, hear what I say
It's money that matters in the USA
It's money that matters
Now you know that it's true
It's money that matters whatever you do"
Oh, and a surtax on all revenue derived from contracting in Iraq needs to be put in place.
I would like to see that a lot.
Molly *Clarabelle* Ivors
When did war profiteering become legal? I never could understand why no one said anything much when a preznit whose family makes money off of defense contracting started a vanity war for which there was no justification, but that has made his family immeasurably richer.
but they'd rather have the money just the same-y.
Tena
Fuckin' A-y...
The lament of a FReeper:
The generation of, and publishing of lies is the sole strategy of the socialists and their accomplices in the MSM. Just wait until the "Bush Inquisition" starts. It will be beyond nauseating.
Oh, in case you are not familiar with what the ThugoRats are calling this upcoming political charade...they are calling it "CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT". It will be the ugliest show of childish political smear that this country has ever seen. All in preparation for the 2008 demonization of the Republicans and conservatives in general.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Life is just easier when you're not worrying about paying the rent every two weeks.
Or when you don't have to return cans to buy food.
Molly
It'd be really nice if folks didn't have to decide between buying groceries and paying for their medications because they can't afford both.
Blerb I didn't mean to dismiss your efforts and I apologies if I did sound like that ok.
Well, it's nice to see some things don't change around here!
OT whore: have you heard the latest duckspeak?
Agreed. Besides, it's hitting the Repubs on their own turf, and when the dollar falls (not if) it leaves far more Americans vulnerable.
The lament of a FReeper:
The generation of, and publishing of lies is the sole strategy of the socialists and their accomplices in the MSM. Just wait until the "Bush Inquisition" starts. It will be beyond nauseating.
Oh, in case you are not familiar with what the ThugoRats are calling this upcoming political charade...they are calling it "CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT". It will be the ugliest show of childish political smear that this country has ever seen. All in preparation for the 2008 demonization of the Republicans and conservatives in general.
Shorter freeper:
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
shareholder owned corporations are not the be-all and end-all of human experience.
When did war profiteering become legal? I never could understand why no one said anything much when a preznit whose family makes money off of defense contracting started a vanity war for which there was no justification, but that has made his family immeasurably richer.
If you've read Kevin Phillip's American Dynasty you'd know that the Bush Crime Family has been into war profiteering for over a century.
It'd be really nice if folks didn't have to decide between buying groceries and paying for their medications because they can't afford both.
In my case, I had to feel very poorly for several weeks before I went to the doctor last week; and when he said blood work would be required, i dallied for a few days because the extra expense is gonna be a nightmare -- but what can you do?
The generation of, and publishing of lies is the sole strategy of the socialists and their accomplices in the MSM. Just wait until the "Bush Inquisition" starts. It will be beyond nauseating.
Oh, in case you are not familiar with what the ThugoRats are calling this upcoming political charade...they are calling it "CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT". It will be the ugliest show of childish political smear that this country has ever seen. All in preparation for the 2008 demonization of the Republicans and conservatives in general.
That is like a steroid to my schadenfreude. More please, I am so enjoying the shrieking and the howling as they melt down.
shareholder owned corporations are not the be-all and end-all of human experience.
Amen.
or the way Universities are organized and financed is not gospel either
Or when you don't have to overturn cans to find food.
Molly *Clarabelle* Ivors
Spelling corrected while-U-wait...
Morning everyone.
I called my conservative parents, who were off to a "Republican Meeting"
I told them to enjoy the wake...and then I laughed.
I may be out of the will.
Are you sure that you aren't confusing the IRS and the Federal Reserve? The Fed is a QUANGO. The IRS is a bureau of the Treasury Department, and is listed so on Treasury's page:
Looking back, I was being accused, of all things, of being a Republican, the Good Lord forbid, so I was defensive and did confuse some of the history of the two, yes. However, they are both scams, they are both obsolete, they both steal from us, and they both should be dispensed
with not only because they both have illigitimate origins, but because they are broken, bloated, in the end serve only the interests of the wholly corrupt ruling criminals, and could easily be replaced with far more effective and efficient mechanisms that do serve our individual and national American interests.
plantsman - that people have to think twice before going to a doctor is one of the great shames of this nation.
It will be the ugliest show of childish political smear that this country has ever seen.
In contrast to the Clinton impeachment, of course.
I really wish I could remove myself from reality so effectively...
shareholder owned corporations are not the be-all and end-all of human experience.
Moonbootica
Well hardly.
Its a good idea in the abstract, but that isn't how it works out in real life. Imagine that - so many ideologies turn out to be faulty.
Bush is at 31% in the Newsweek poll. ALl time low.
trifecta
And yet we still have people supporting him.
WTF?
Terry C
Brain-dead enders.
Ahhhhhhhhhhwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
The Republicans have caked up bad this time. The Administration has come to resemble the worst aspects of the Johnson and Nixon presidencies. A long time a coming and a long time gone.
Am I the only one who is of the opinion that McCain believes military force is the answer to everything?
He's more dangerous than Bush.
USA - stop the spamming, asshole. No one gives a shit what you think.
And, I haven't got the slightest idea what a quango is, but it sounds like something we would all be much better off without.
It will be the ugliest show of childish political smear that this country has ever seen.
No, that was the last 6 years.
USA, please remember that it is far easier to destroy things than to create them.
with the way the American military is going I would not be surprised if in the future the USA only has 1 aircraft carrier and 1 helicopter serviced by thousands of people, costing a fortune.
Thank you, Tena; I was trying to be polite but you said what I was thinking.
Am I the only one who is of the opinion that McCain believes military force is the answer to everything?
He's more dangerous than Bush.
Terry C
He's NOW finally the bloom will be falling off the rose, leaving only the fertilzer.
McCain has been, if possible, even more consistently wrong and more vacillating in the War on Reality, than Dear Leader.
Eschaton has been gifted with a usage nanny this morning, I see-- and I couldn't be more enthused. It will have a truly dynamic impact on the discourse, irregardless of the topic.
the Income Tax IS Illegal, besides being a HUGE waste of time.
Holy shit, I just saw this. Are we really arguing with someone who doesn't know about the 16th Amendment?
I don't know if McCain is actually more dangerous than Bush, but I do know he is the most immoral man in Congress. There's no justification or rationale whatsoever that saves his ass from the fact that he was a POW who was tortured and turned around and voted to do that to other human beings.
I fucking despise him with every fiber of my being. I hate him, I hate him, I hate him. He has failed the gom jabbar.
Tena, I am not spamming, I am replying. As to the shit others give I do not.
with the way the American military is going I would not be surprised if in the future the USA only has 1 aircraft carrier and 1 helicopter serviced by thousands of people, costing a fortune
Privatization.
That is like a steroid to my schadenfreude. More please, I am so enjoying the shrieking and the howling as they melt down.
Tena
They are running scared, no doubt about it.
A lot of the people in this Badministration come from the Ford Administration (Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.)
Its a good idea in the abstract, but that isn't how it works out in real life. Imagine that - so many ideologies turn out to be faulty.
This ties into the E-Con 101 post from yesterday, where theoretical constructs are passed off as working in reality models.
They don't. Too many people absolutely refuse to operate as "rational econmic actors", by being human beings.
It's like the old joke about the engineer, the doctor, and the economist stranded on a desert island with a crate of canned goods. The economist leads off by saying "assume a can opener".
I don't know if McCain is actually more dangerous than Bush, but I do know he is the most immoral man in Congress. There's no justification or rationale whatsoever that saves his ass from the fact that he was a POW who was tortured and turned around and voted to do that to other human beings.
I fucking despise him with every fiber of my being. I hate him, I hate him, I hate him. He has failed the gom jabbar.
Tena
I used to admire the man. Talk about being taken in...
The 16th amendment has and is being challenged all the time.
It will be the ugliest show of childish political smear that this country has ever seen.
This asshole mustn't have been around during the Nixon years.
That is the human condition. The Buddhists built an entire religion based solely on that reality right there.
***
that is why I got a psych degree..and studied religion
Again, who wants to take up a collection to get Rep. Marsha Blackburn R-TN, a full-on S&M gaybo ballgag?
They don't. Too many people absolutely refuse to operate as "rational econmic actors", by being human beings.
Yeah, I know. Pity the purists - they don't get real life at all.
Kind of like our Libertarian asshole thread spammer.
I really hate Libertarians. They are the WATBs of the political and societal structure.
They are children who don't play well with others.
I fucking despise him with every fiber of my being. I hate him, I hate him, I hate him. He has failed the gom jabbar.
Tena
Karl Rove & Co. trashes his family and his reputation during the 2000 campaign and what does he do?
"Spread 'em a little wider? Sure, sir! Anything you say!"
Kind of like our Libertarian asshole thread spammer.
I really hate Libertarians. They are the WATBs of the political and societal structure.
They are children who don't play well with others.
Tena
I am in 100% agreement with that, Tena.
I used to admire the man. Talk about being taken in...
He wasn't always this batshit insane.
The 16th amendment has and is being challenged all the time.
So are the physics of hair styling.
The Keynes to the Kingdom.
Ponies on the way.
I fucking despise him with every fiber of my being. I hate him, I hate him, I hate him. He has failed the gom jabbar.
***
ditto here, unfortunately...and I have an Semper fi MIA brother to kick it up a notch, if that is possible.
Zogby asked me if I considered myself a Libertarian the other day.
(shudder)
Christmas is cancelled: 300,000 families may have lost savings in Farepak crash
· Total losses 'probably double official estimates'
· Firm kept no record of customer names
Customers of the collapsed Christmas savings company Farepak could have lost up to Ł120m, MPs claimed last night, increasing pressure on ministers for tighter regulation of the savings club industry.
Labour backbenchers believe the scale of the Farepak scandal is far more dramatic than realised, with more than 300,000 low-waged and unemployed families, and pensioners, losing their Christmas money - double the current estimates. Some families lost up to Ł1,400 when the Swindon-based savings company went into liquidation a month ago, and are now facing a miserable festive season. Most have been forced to borrow money from credit unions, take out loans, or scale down their plans for Christmas.
Jim Devine, Labour MP for Livingston in West Lothian, has been inundated with constituents who have been affected. About 100 people went to a public meeting in his constituency last week, who between them lost Ł100,000. Initial estimates suggest that between 100,000 to 175,000 people had lost between Ł37m to Ł46m when Farepak collapsed last month.
Doesn't McCain know it's risky to shoot in black and white? He needs new lyrics, too.
President Bush’s job approval rating has fallen to just 31 percent, according to the new NEWSWEEK Poll.
A FReeper takes exception:
these numbers are the epitimy of blantant lies
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
shareholder owned corporations are not the be-all and end-all of human experience.
Amen.
NT'odd (aka Usul)
You can be arrested for saying that in Delaware...
these numbers are the epitimy of blantant lies
Two spelling mistakes in one sentence.
Damn!
Tax on income has always been considered a liberal plot akin to thievery. Such "thievery" pales in comparison to the actuaul thievery we've just witnessed the past five + years. I'd like to deal with that problem first.
Again, who wants to take up a collection to get Rep. Marsha Blackburn R-TN, a full-on S&M gaybo ballgag?
plantsman, lowercase
I had never heard of the woman, but she seems to have no other concern in life than people of skin color which differs by the slightest degree from her own
I used to admire the man. Talk about being taken in...
He wasn't always this batshit insane.
Molly *Clarabelle* Ivors
The woman who straightens my hair is really really smart and very well informed and liberal and we really have a good time talking for the whole 4 hours. She was saying this yesterday - at one time she would voted for him. I never have liked him. Never. But I didn't despise him like I do now. I fucking despise him.
He's a moral cripple and it's sickening, but I'd like to know what the hell happened to him. I guess power - what a drug.
PONIES! per JMM: "The Bush Bubble Bursts? Newsweek: W at 31%."
bwahahahaha!
Tax on income has always been considered a liberal plot akin to thievery.
Unearned income especially.
these numbers are the epitimy of blantant lies
I do believe in spooks! I DO believe in spooks!
Holy shit, I just saw this. Are we really arguing with someone who doesn't know about the 16th Amendment?
Yes. As is usual, the trool ignores posts that prove it wrong.
He's a moral cripple and it's sickening, but I'd like to know what the hell happened to him. I guess power - what a drug.
Pony?
Bush @ 31% in Newsweek poll.
/via Josh Marshall
Yes. As is usual, the trool ignores posts that prove it wrong.
billy b -blues deluxe
Yeah, unfortunately, 11/7 didn't quite change everything.
OT: Safe sex advertising campaign offers the bare facts
A hard-hitting government advertising campaign on sexual diseases, featuring raunchy scenes of young people grappling in pubs, clubs and on deserted footpaths, launches today in an attempt to make 18- to 24-year-olds think of condoms as "essential wear" when they go out for a night.
Tax on income has always been considered a liberal plot -Diane
I always considered it a faux- "conservative"-actually-dangerous radical-in-disguise plot to take your money to help pay the bar tab for their never ending welfare to the weapons manufacturers and the war machine which keeps them in business
He's a moral cripple and it's sickening, but I'd like to know what the hell happened to him. I guess power - what a drug.
He's become a slave to his ambition. Given what he went through in the 2000 campaign, in a way he's already sold his family in support of that ambition.
Again, who wants to take up a collection to get Rep. Marsha Blackburn R-TN, a full-on S&M gaybo ballgag?
plantsman, lowercase
What the hell IS with that state anyway?
Bush @ 31% in Newsweek poll.
That's quite a drop, isn't it? How nice, now that the election is over.
Wonder what the other polls will say.
A hard-hitting government advertising campaign on sexual diseases, featuring raunchy scenes of young people grappling in pubs, clubs and on deserted footpaths, launches today in an attempt to make 18- to 24-year-olds think of condoms as "essential wear" when they go out for a night.
I went and checked that out...yeah, it's in utterly immoral Europe, not in this country where "safe sex" means wearing chastity belts at all times.
PONIES! per JMM: "The Bush Bubble Bursts? Newsweek: W at 31%."
bwahahahaha!
jdw
I'm going to have to put a lid on this gloating - eventually.
But I'm not ready yet to be a really good winner. I'll get there, but I remember the boot on my neck too clearly and it's too soon to forgive or forget what they did for 12 fucking years.
So I'm really digging this way too much.
Newsweek poll for W: 31% approval.
Holy guacamole.
"Yes. As is usual, the trool ignores posts that prove it wrong"
Actually not a trool, been here oh, 4 years or so.
Whatever happened to ponies??!!!
“President Bush’s job approval rating has fallen to just 31 percent, according to the new NEWSWEEK Poll.”
Damn, why didn't they check with me? I would have traded fifteen Karl Roves for one Jack Palance.
Well, darlings, I need to get onto the Saturday chores. I love you all.
Anyone within driving distance is cordially invited over for roast beef dinner and raspberry trifle this evening.
And check my blog for Better-Camera-Babyblogging and my first recommendation for the 08 races!
Well, darlings, I need to get onto the Saturday chores. I love you all.
Anyone within driving distance is cordially invited over for roast beef dinner and raspberry trifle this evening.
And check my blog for Better-Camera-Babyblogging and my first recommendation for the 08 races!
these numbers are the epitimy of blantant lies
Two spelling mistakes in one sentence.
TC - They've not had an erection since Tuesday. They are getting splooge backup that is creating a lot of pressure leading to lets say, a clouding of their little minds.
Actually not a trool, been here oh, 4 years or so.
And you keep changing your posting name, why?
You should have heard Marsha Blackburn on Tweety yesterday. She expels more breath saying less than any human I have ever heard -- going on about "decision matricies" and stuff without ever answer a question. Tweety was ready to slap her, I swear!
Been votin Denmocrat entire life. So nooooo, nope. Ixnay Trollay
Ah, that's DEMOCRAT.
“President Bush’s job approval rating has fallen to just 31 percent, according to the new NEWSWEEK Poll.”
He really has nowhere to go but down.
Actually not a trool, been here oh, 4 years or so.
We've had trools here longer than that. Spamming and ignoring posts that refute your assertions is trooling.
launches today in an attempt to make 18- to 24-year-olds think of condoms as "essential wear" when they go out for a night.
Moonbootica, Cat Lady
They put 'em ahead of time in England? No wonder the men walk funny.
Anyone within driving distance is cordially invited over for roast beef dinner and raspberry trifle this evening.
Well, everyone is theoretically within driving distance - can you hold dinner for, o, 2 days?
And you keep changing your posting name, why?
pie, the farkin TROLLS!
Spamming and ignoring posts that refute your assertions is trooling.
And there is one troll that used to do that all the time, always under a different name/occupation.
The 16th amendment has and is being challenged all the time.
And yet it's the law of the land, so claiming income taxes are illegal is, um...how to put this delicately...FUCKING STUPID.
I called my conservative parents, who were off to a "Republican Meeting"
It took my older anti-establishment sibs YEARS to convince dad, "Listen Nixon was a crook".
if Republicans wren't such pricks
yeah well they are
Actually not a trool, been here oh, 4 years or so.
We've had trools here longer than that. Spamming and ignoring posts that refute your assertions is trooling.
billy b
The trools are always with us and have been since the start.
Having been around for 4 years is no recommendation.
no doubt trolls have been around since the creation of the internet
Hungry squirrel interlude?
http://thumbsnap.com/v/FueZp3zm.jpg
And yet it's the law of the land, so claiming income taxes are illegal is, um...how to put this delicately...FUCKING STUPID.
Rather like the idiots who refuse to accept the 13th and 14th Amendments.
Charlie Rangel on Cheney: "He's such a real son of a bitch"
Rangel's going to kick Cheney out of his office on Capital Hill {{applause}}
What should Rangel tell him on the way out?
"why don't you go shoot someone in the face...?"
"Hey Cheney, GO FUCK YOURSELF!"
"Looks like your residency in this office is in its last throes..."
Having been around for 4 years is no recommendation.
Crap, there goes my biggest selling point...
You should have heard Marsha Blackburn on Tweety yesterday. She expels more breath saying less than any human I have ever heard -- going on about "decision matricies" and stuff without ever answer a question. Tweety was ready to slap her, I swear!
Don't know if you were on the blog when this was discussed yesterday, but Marsha Blackburn is one of the dimmest bulbs the Tennessee GOP has offered up.
Her prior career before politics was as a "color analyst"--not in a pro sports sort of a way but as in "you're a fall" or "you're a winter."
Although internal combustion autos have problems, I'd far rather have a well-maintained system of free federal highways than a network of toll roads. "Common Good" has no meaning for some people.
Having been around for 4 years is no recommendation.
Tena
As to your comment about 11/7, the wingnutted are very similar to the fundemented in that respect. No event will change their minds. That would negate their "belief system".
Well, everyone is theoretically within driving distance - can you hold dinner for, o, 2 days?
Nope, but I can make it again!
pie, what was your old homepage with the fab recipes? I'm sort of inventing the trifle as I go, but I remember you had a great cooking site.
Maybe Bush is at 31, but give him time. It's not impossible that he could reach 21. Let him plow on, ceaselessly against the currents, backward toward the future.
Blerb I didn't mean to dismiss your efforts and I apologies if I did sound like that ok.
Moonbootica, Cat Lady
Thank you for that, Moonbo. I took no real offense. I just wanted to point out in the most forceful terms that a blanket dismissal of the state-sponsored educational system as it exists now is something that many of us around here would find devastatingly consequential.
as to this:
shareholder owned corporations are not the be-all and end-all of human experience.
I think that few reasonable people would have difficulty agreeing with such a measured statement.
AISI, Corporations are good to the extent that the economies of scale they allow are capable of broadly raising productivity and therefore living standards. Conversely, tthey are evil to the extent that they are a substrate for the existence of an entrenched oligarchy that can use its economic power to exploit people on a massive scale and to distort the societal debate regarding the public interest. Currently, the evil aspects are beginning to outweigh the good ones.
Finding a just solution to this state of affairs and even more so implementing it is a very difficult problem. You can't meaningfully cure a brain cancer by lopping the patient's head off.
Maybe Bush is at 31, but give him time. It's not impossible that he could reach 21. Let him plow on, ceaselessly against the currents, backward toward the future.
I still want a pony.
Damn, Atrios used to give us ponies for this stuff. Now, ever since the Democrats took over, he's just slacking.
It's just not the same.
Well, loathe as I am to take any litmus test, I have never voted in my entire voting history, which is considerable, for any Republican.
As to spamming, I do not, and as to ignoring, I do not do that either.
I have been here 4 years at least,
spent hundreds of hours promoting democratic and liberal causes for no compensation other than my own concern for my native country, which is this one.
Beyond that, I have personal experience as to the highly deleterious effects of GOP policies, and so I feel I am "qualified" if you will, to speak out.
And as an American, I think that's what matters.
what was your old homepage with the fab recipes? I'm sort of inventing the trifle as I go, but I remember you had a great cooking site.
Molly, here.
Try FoodTV, too.
You should have heard Marsha Blackburn on Tweety yesterday. She expels more breath saying less than any human I have ever heard -- going on about "decision matricies" and stuff without ever answer a question. Tweety was ready to slap her, I swear!
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he did end up feeling that he had to apologize..for calling her out for laughing about war..she was a maniac.
What do you think Rangel should tell Cheney on his way out the door?
"why don't you go shoot someone in the face...?"
"Hey Cheney, GO FUCK YOURSELF!"
"Looks like your residency in this office is in its last throes..."
All of the above.
man did this election shut dick morris and ann 'manhands' coulter up.
how beautiful!
Rick Steve's travel show is interviewing Bernard Henri-Levy.
Thanks, pie! It looks like more of a process than a fixed recipe, so I usually read a few and then invent.
man did this election shut dick morris and ann 'manhands' coulter up.
Sadly, I'm sure it's temporary, unless Coulter gets thrown in the slammer because of her little voting problem.
USA, as a gentle point of order, I'd request you say you vote "Democratic" rather than "Democrat."
It's a signature trool indicator not to.
Morphing into a Process Troll now...
In honor of Veterans' Day, Beatniks in Battle!
Nice poem at the end, btw...
And yet it's the law of the land, so claiming income taxes are illegal is, um...how to put this delicately...FUCKING STUPID.
Rather like the idiots who refuse to accept the 13th and 14th Amendments.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 11.11.06 - 12:20 pm | #
Just because something is the law of the land does not justify it. Slavery was the law of the land. In fact, income tax, along with the fiat money system, is an equally insidious form of slavery, which is why I oppose them both.
Time for me to do my Saturday chores as well, although in my case, that pretty much just amounts to grocery shopping.
I do have a post up on those damned machines for those who are still studying the election.
It looks like more of a process than a fixed recipe, so I usually read a few and then invent.
Yep. Then you can make it the way you want it to taste.
"Hey Cheney, GO FUCK YOURSELF!"
If anyone hasn't read Bob Cesca's column yet today, it's hilarious. It's called "Time For A Big Ol' Cup Of 'Shut The F*** Up"
shareholder owned corporations are not the be-all and end-all of human experience.
Moonbootica
Well hardly.
Its a good idea in the abstract, but that isn't how it works out in real life. Imagine that - so many ideologies turn out to be faulty.
Tena>/i>
Well, I'mm not so sure that it's that great in the abstract, either.
Rangel's going to kick Cheney out of his office on Capital Hill {{applause}}
What should Rangel tell him on the way out?
"why don't you go shoot someone in the face...?"
"Hey Cheney, GO FUCK YOURSELF!"
"Looks like your residency in this office is in its last throes..."
PoliShifter
"Have you talked to your doctors about your pump head dementia caused by multiple heart operations?"
Oh good grief, what's next return to the Gold Standard?
Finding a just solution to this state of affairs and even more so implementing it is a very difficult problem. You can't meaningfully cure a brain cancer by lopping the patient's head off.
we have a lot to expect from our new DEM leadership.....curing what Bushco foisted and please understand that Bushco goes back at least THREE generations.
Morphing into a Process Troll now...
I'll save you some trifle.
And I'll be in touch re: Thursday.
Off to get my Saturday chores done. Later, kids!
"decision matricies"
What the fuck?
Our food section had a buckwheat noodles (soba) with veggies and peanut/lime sauce recipe that sounded so good I cut it out!
heh. The troll earlier was quoting word for word from Jonah. Here's a link to Glenn Greenwald.
As to your comment about 11/7, the wingnutted are very similar to the fundemented in that respect. No event will change their minds. That would negate their "belief system".
billy b
True enough, except that they all aren't totally divorced from reality and if you stick a pin in just the right place, they'll go *POP*.
Eventually.
trifle.
Stop taunting me.
I do not believe I ever did say I voted "Democrat", but it is possible id did. In any case I am an ardent democrat, so I am not worried about it even if I ever did excersise that usage, which is as you say, telltale, but again not in my case
I'll save you some trifle.
And I'll be in touch re: Thursday.
YAY!
Crap, there goes my biggest selling point...
NT'odd (aka Usul)
O please. As if you needed another one...
I find the current cries from Republicans for the end of spin to be a bit disingenuous especially in light of their recent confessions of mass lies
"decision matricies", swear to god. She had used 'matrix' a couple of sentences before, and then cashed in all her Neo/Trinity/Morpheus chips at once. It was to laugh.
Afternoon, all.
Don't coddle me -- has anything of an irksome nature happened since last we chatted?
It looks like more of a process than a fixed recipe, so I usually read a few and then invent.
Hey, that's the fun of cooking.
I do that all the time. I also combine recipes and tinker with them and turn 'em into something else.
"Hey Cheney, GO FUCK YOURSELF!"
If anyone hasn't read Bob Cesca's column yet today, it's hilarious. It's called "Time For A Big Ol' Cup Of 'Shut The F*** Up"
Litz
Great column!
He really has nowhere to go but down.
plantsman, lowercase
I'm really wondering right now what he is going to do. We've heard him pay some lipservice to the idea of a change in direction. He must be under enormous pressure right now from the GOP leadership to start backing down from the hard-right agenda that has gotten him and his party so deep in the shitter. It seems like their only hope for 2008 right now is to humble themselves and back down some and then support a more (cough) moderate candidate like McCain or Giuliani.
Me, I'm hoping that the Chimperor just sticks to his I'm the decider" guns" and tries to tough it out. It will be great watching him swirl down the toilet bowl of history, taking his party with him.
simels - Don't coddle me -- has anything of an irksome nature happened since last we chatted?
steve simels
How's this: CONGRESS, BITCHES! We won!
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When Do Co-ops Work? When They're Allowed To
trifle.
Stop taunting me.
JR, kerosene and a match
I will not. This is YOUR FAULT! Talking about trifle on the blog, making me look up recipes and buy cake and raspberries and custard and whipped cream and sherry....
You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
It was to laugh.
plantsman
I just have the line from the Princess Bride going through my head.
"That word, I do not think it means what you think it means".
As opposed to the times I yell "That is completely meaningless you fucking moron" at the TV.
On the other hand, at a certain level, we Democrats represent the other side of the same coin, which is why I feel it is so important that we start to change these insidious underlying aspects of our sytem, such as the illigitimate roots of our tax and monetary systems. The Republicans will never do it; they love things the way they are.
Back in 30 or so batties - I'm going to take a bath and get dressed.
Afternoon, all.
Don't coddle me -- has anything of an irksome nature happened since last we chatted?
steve simels
Mr. Bush has gotten older but not wiser.
You should have heard Marsha Blackburn on Tweety yesterday. She expels more breath saying less than any human I have ever heard -- going on about "decision matricies" and stuff without ever answer a question. Tweety was ready to slap her, I swear!
**
he did end up feeling that he had to apologize..for calling her out for laughing about war..she was a maniac.
Nancy Willing
The illegitimate daughter of Jim Bunning?
The liberal media --
Vets Secy Jim Nicholson on CNN just said Vietnam vets got spit on, and the News Reader didn't call him on it.
Oy gevalt.
This is YOUR FAULT! Talking about trifle on the blog, making me look up recipes and buy cake and raspberries and custard and whipped cream and sherry....
You are evil. Pure evil. I knew there was a reason I liked you.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Molly *Clarabelle* Ivors
Let me make it up to you in person.
I'll bring my own spoon.
I'm much aware of Marsha Blackburn. I've heard her grade school analyses of Iraq. So, naturally, I've wondered for more than a year just who it is that arranges her TV appearances, who prepares her comments, and who it is that actually believes she has something to say.
She's an idiot with a twang,and compared to her Boehner could be another Demosthenes.
such as the illigitimate roots of our tax and monetary systems.
OK, let's play.
Why are the roots of the system "illegitimate"?
the word of the day is " insidious "
How exactly does anything get paid for without income tax? You can't pay your bills as it is.
The Republicans will never do it; they love things the way they are.
I smell a big fat rat.
I'll bring my own spoon.
Jeez, I'd better get to work.
*mwah!*
Vets Secy Jim Nicholson on CNN just said Vietnam vets got spit on, and the News Reader didn't call him on it.
WHEN are they going to STOP lying about that?
Never happened.
Just because something is the law of the land does not justify it.
Oy. You said income tax was ILLEGAL. It is legal.
Furthermore, note that our law and founding document has tended toward progress, despite its less-than-liberal starting points in some moral areas. Slavery was abolished, as was Prohibition. And our liberal democracy decided that to help pay for government, the income tax was in fact justified and thus made it legal.
Get over it.
On the other hand, at a certain level, we --
Someone hand me the pliers...
WHEN are they going to STOP lying about that?
Never happened.
Terry C, An American Again! |
It's part of the "stabbed in the back" myth and that is the conventional wisdom
OK, let's play.
Wow, you're bored.
Idle hands...
How can you run a country without taxes of any sort
Don't coddle me -- has anything of an irksome nature happened since last we chatted?
steve simels
Now that the orgy is over and everyone is sated Steve shows up. I knew I should have saved something!
lately I've found political debate here in the UK so 1 dimensional, people can only think in 2 ways - state socialism or state capitalism
people don't really know their political history enough either.
*just some pessimistic thoughts for the day.*
Wow, you're bored.
dave©™
Let me introduce you to the phrase "give them enough rope".
It's not like the "arguments" take time to refute.
How can you run a country without taxes of any sort
olexicon, Sir Shrill-a-Lot
How many nitwits with wildly implausible answers to that question do you have the patience to klisten to?
Atrios,
You forgot to mention the reason why the AMT is a 'problem' IT IS NOT INDEXED FOR INFLATION. This is why a tax that hit the super-rich of long ago hits the 'upper middle class today' and will TURN IN TO A BASICALLY NO-DEDUCTIONS/SOMEWHAT FLAT TAX 'TOMORROW'.
Yes, that's right. It will be almost a tax that no one can escape.
How many nitwits with wildly implausible answers to that question do you have the patience to klisten to?
blerb
I got all day
but then again I am a Democratic socialist
my brother is a massive supporter of Free Software.
he often sez "all we have to do is remember there is an alternative
using Free Software reminds me of that everyday" and "a good example of Mutualist/anarchist ideas working in real life"
Haven't read through to see if anyone else caught this bit of metaphorical gobbledygook from CNN: "Fort Benning Georgia is the 'flagship' of the US Army Infantry."
Let me introduce you to the phrase "give them enough rope".
This prick showed up soaking in it.
But have at it! Whatever rings your chimes...
when did the Live Free or Die troll morph into the USA troll?
why do I keep missing all the memos?
lately I've found political debate here in the UK so 1 dimensional, people can only think in 2 ways - state socialism or state capitalism
people don't really know their political history enough either.
*just some pessimistic thoughts for the day.*
Moonbootica, Cat Lady
But anything else is so...so...French!
Quelle horreurs!
ql, thanks for pointing out that Glenn Greenwald post.
does anyone else have a yard full of leaves that refuse to blow themselves?
how rude, my Oak trees.
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god damn you helloscam
Atrios,
The article made a basic econ error which I'm sure you picked up - just wanted to reiterate it in the above post. It's NOT RISING INCOMES but RISING INFLATION that makes people fall into the bracket. Well you could say that it is rising incomes in a nominal since as in a person's income of yesteryear is worth substantially less if paid the same today
Just say inflation. That's the problem and it'd be nice if they'd get their articles straight for once. All you need is a little 'indexed for inflation' line in the tax code (all of the tax code for that matter)
But have at it! Whatever rings your chimes...
dave©™
Usually asking them to explain themselves makes them go away.
Their hearts (and tiny furry minds) really aren't in it.
my brother is a massive supporter of Free Software...
Speaking of, if you ever need a free vector drawing program similar to CorelDraw or Illustrator, may I recommend Inkscape?
I've been playing with it off and on for a little while and it seems quite nice...
does anyone else have a yard full of leaves that refuse to blow themselves?
Have Simels come over. They might blow him.
equine sheeties, BTW.
pony owls
We can eliminate the Income Tax, and the IRS, both of which which are in fact unconstitutional, by imposing a 15% sales tax on everything except food and clothing. Corporations must also bear a higher tax burden, and this is only right, since they tend to do far more than their share of damage to our society.
Tax question more my speed: If I started one of those cat circuses where the kitties ride bicycles, dance in conga lines, hang upside-down in vampire costumes, etc, would sashimi be a deductible business expense? I mean, they wouldn't do this crap for mere cat treats.
Ms. Jiffari, I am not a troll, but have been here for many years, as already explained. Thank You.
You may have seen this already, but I have just enjoyed this list of people who can now STFU over at HuffPo. Not a clunker among them. Even funnier, if that's possible, are the inordinately pissy comments from the Trollish-Americans that follow, including the always popular "I notice you didn't mention al-Qaeda" and "typical totalitarian lefties." Fun-nee!
We can eliminate the Income Tax, and the IRS, both of which which are in fact unconstitutional
IT'S NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL YOU GOATRAPING IDIOT.
Or rather Jaafari.
Techy. tetchy. They are both unconstitutional.
We can eliminate the Income Tax, and the IRS, both of which which are in fact unconstitutional, by imposing a 15% sales tax on everything except food and clothing. Corporations must also bear a higher tax burden, and this is only right, since they tend to do far more than their share of damage to our society.
USA
Well, you didn't answer my question, but lets deal with the errors here.
1) the IRS is the "Internal Revenue Service", not the "Internal Income Tax Service". It would still be collecting the sales tax and the corporate taxes.
2) It's just a bureaucracy. Saying it's "unconstitutional" is trivial, in that it's not mentioned in the Constiution. Neither is the DMV or the FDA. That doesn't make them "unconstiutional".
Sigh.
Article I, Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States....
I have stopped thinking 1913ers are cute. USA, there are a bazillion articles on the net patiently explaining why those ideas are false. For heaven's sake read some.
They are unconstitutional in that the right to coin money was reserved to Congress, and only congress, and the IRS is not itself a division of the us government, but a private corporation. Were it an actual arm of the government, then yes, it would be constitutional.
Ms. Jiffari, I am not a troll, but have been here for many years, as already explained. Thank You.
USA
O please. The very first time I posted a comment on this blog I was flamed by a troll.
In 2002.
Just because you've been around is no evidence that you aren't a troll. In fact, every comment you post says that you are a troll.
also, there was originally no income tax, only a corporate tax, and in fact there is continued and ongoing debate as to the legitimacy, constiutionality, and legality of any tax on income.
Tena, really, such agressiveness is a highly Republican characteristic. I'm no troll.
Finny, I have read. I stand by my statements. The Income Tax and The Fiat Money sytem are both Scams and both bad for America. They need to be replaced.
also, there was originally no income tax, only a corporate tax, and in fact there is continued and ongoing debate as to the legitimacy, constiutionality, and legality of any tax on income.
USA
The debate on the constitutionality of the tax was settled by the Supreme Court some time back. I know of no case on any docket of any federal or state court seriously challenging the status of the federal income tax (several states employ it as well), nor any serious attempt to get this matter back before the US Supreme Court.
So the idea that there is an "ongoing debate" may be true, but it's an extremely marginal and marginalized one.
legitimacy, constiutionality, and legality of any tax on income.
govt was originally financed by tariffs.
cotton was originally harvested by slaves, too.
the income tax, broadly construed and progressively applied, is the fairest means of sharing the burdens of financing government.
it's not the most efficient, perhaps;
but where fairness and efficiency clash, you'll always find me on the side of fairness.
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They are unconstitutional in that the right to coin money was reserved to Congress, and only congress, and the IRS is not itself a division of the us government, but a private corporation. Were it an actual arm of the government, then yes, it would be constitutional.
USA
I should have read one post up.
This is from la-la land. Set phasers to "ignore."
USA - please explain why, if our basic tax systems are unconstitutional, they have been maintained for so long. Why has no one in a position to do so declared them unconstitutional and eliminated them? Why has no court done so? Where are the successful legal challenges?
Your saying something is true and obvious doesn't make it so. Demonstrate why the rightness of your assertion has not been borne out in our society.
They are unconstitutional in that the right to coin money was reserved to Congress, and only congress
The IRS is a seperate division of the treasury. They are not involved in "coining". Your literalist reading of the wording would require you to teach the congress critters how to run a press, BTW.
the IRS is not itself a division of the us government, but a private corporation.
No, it's a division of the Department of the Treasury, which is part of the US government.
The same reason it took us 15 years too long to get out of Viet Nam, the same reason slavery nearly destroyed our nation and also took so very long and such a toll, the same reason the pace of change is always glacially slow in the US: powerful interests profit from the status quo.
And again, it is easy, like some of the above posters, to be dismissive, but that is what the koolkidz themselves do. It is more difficult to find the truth. Just because something is some way does not justify it, it merely means it got that way somehow.
And again, it is easy, like some of the above posters, to be dismissive,
Look, you are mixing up two seperate issues.
1) If you object to the current tax structure that's fine, expalin what's wrong and why your idea would be better.
2) "It's unconstiutional" isn't an argument, it's a flashing sign that says "nutjob".
Hey, the nutjobs with flashing neon signs just got their asses handed to them by my party, and I have already explained the numerous reasons why the alternatives I advocate would be better numerous times. Any further information you would like can be obtained via google. Enjoy.
No 11/7 celebration could be complete without two things: (1) a Dean scream and (2) some of that Gogol Bordello.
Simple solutions to complex problems is just too damned nuanced an approach, atrios.
Raising the ATM level is important politically -- the left should be advocates of tax reform; the right gets a lot of "hold your nose" votes because of tax policy; two decent working class incomes can put a family into ATM territory. The level should not only be raised, it should be INDEXED on income percentiles (use last year's 10th and 5th percentiles) and it should have two brackets.
While I'm at it, eliminate the ceiling on the Social Security tax and then cut the rate.
AND...
Pay for the ATM level raise by tweaking some of the most egregious elements of the tax code: how about disallowing offshore incoporations of convenience, removing the tax exemptions for lobbying and legal services by corporations, and requiring withholding for dividend payments and payments from or to partnerships? Bet these alone would make an indexed, progressive AMT revenue-neutral.
I'm not sure I would get rid of AMT, it does serve a valuable purpose, but it should be readjusted for inflation, and then indexed for inflation. This is a big issue, and part of Dumbya's tax cut will have to go in order to deal with this.
The AMT is a bitch. I'm a single dad of two teenagers (full custody) and I get raped by the AMT. I got a car with over 200K miles on it, I don't have a coke habit, and I can barely make ends meet. I'm 56 and can't really put much of retirement together when I have two college educations coming up. Somebody better bury the AMT soon. And please, there is no way I am upper middle class.
The AMT doesn't start to kick in until AGI of around $150k/annum for married couple filing a joint return. That's hardly affecting the middle class, defined as something like $25k to $100k. You index the tax to inflation and it never affects anyone except the wealthy like its supposed. Eliminating it is just another tax give away to the already well off.
And calling the tax "complex" is absolutly nuts. There is nothing "complex" about the tax - just the opposite inasmuch as it eliminates nearly all deductions - just a flat rate against income - simple as can be.
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House Democrats, under the leadership of Ways and Means Committee Chairman Rep. Charles Rangel, passed legislation that would avert a tax catastrophe for millions of middle-class families by stopping the alternative minimum tax (AMT) from applying to them this year, and Republicans promptly bolted for the exi.
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