I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
One
Big deal this time of night!
Kumbaya!!!
I need a smoke!
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bonsoir et bonne nuit, off to bed, ŕ demain
Is Agent Orange here?
Who? 
Five!!! Five Frists in a row! If that ain't a record it should be. I have never seen it.
I have seen four but never five.
I wonder what you win for that?
Agent Orange - good grief!!!!!!!!! You clearly Rule!!
I don't think I have seen five in a Friedman or so.
boo-YAAAH!
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stop the fucking war. now.
Curly loves Atriots, y'know. I had him genetically-modified so that he'll think any one of you is me, if I get creamed by an MTA bus on the scooter. 
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Late to the party.
Anything alarming happen since I was here last night?
Greenstock, is that Britspeak for tits on a canary?
steve simels: Anything alarming happen since I was here last night?
I have a scooter! And a cat! And my cat's breath smells like cat food!
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I think I got this thing working again.
The writer was Britain's special envoy for Iraq in 2003-04. He is now director of the Ditchley Foundation.
His position is that our new policy in Iraq should be Ding-Dong-Ditchley.
Now is the time for the eating of the shorts
So the consensus is we need to include all the countries in the Middle East to find some sort of political or diplomatic solution to the Iraq quagmire.
I think a lot of people were saying that 4 years ago.
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steve-o! did that Saucy little number ever make it to you?
I wonder what you win for that?
A refreshing bottle of Orange Crush.
Late to the party.
Anything alarming happen since I was here last night?
steve simels | 11.18.06 - 12:35 am | #
Agent Orange got 5 posts in before anyone else posted....... oh yeah and nancy pelosi is a witch..... at least that is what some are saying at faux spews....... if she is a witch she gotta be Glenda the good witch.
I need a smoke!
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Agent Orange
Here I am!
Heh... no one wants a $16 Curly DVD?
Oh -- maybe I need to change the Paypal code.
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JeffCO:
Hi guy. I'm told my e-mail is finally working if you still want to try to send me Sausalito.
If not, hi guy, anyway.
There are no ponies.
Keep digging and you'll bury all of us.
oh yeah and nancy pelosi is a witch.....
The media are trying to turn her into a Newt!
Gloaty gloat-gloat.
Political and sectarian leaders need to insist that the state has a monopoly on the use of armed force.
Issuing the warrant "represents the bankruptcy of the sectarian government following one scandal after the other," Muslim Scholars Assn. spokesman Mohammed Bashar Faidi told Al Jazeera television. "The decisions of this government are worthless because it only rules the Green Zone," the U.S.-fortified security area in Baghdad that is home to the Iraqi government and the American and British embassies.
The media are trying to turn her into a Newt!
... no one wants a $16 Curly DVD?
I'm sorry... I was in the Playstation line...
Steve Simels:
What did you think of the Bond movie?
oh yeah and nancy pelosi is a witch.....
The media are trying to turn her into a Newt!
JeffCO
It really is going to revert to the Clinton-Lewinsky press of by gone years.
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Evening all. How goes the war?
Submersion in gloatifcation
It really is going to revert to the Clinton-Lewinsky press of by gone years.
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Agent Orange | 11.18.06 - 12:40 am | #
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Oh yeah.... I wonder how long rush limpballs will carry the water of the dems? .......... never mind.
Were any of you guys here around this time last night?
Some guy pretending to be shoelimpy -- I know, I know, what a concept -- was here being really insulting, his big issue being that Bishop Usher was right and that the bible proves the earth is only 6000 years old.
Assuming it was performance art, it was quite something.
African-Americans are easily the ethnic group most hostile toward gay rights.
nancy pelosi is a witch...
I sure hope the media whores never figure out what actual liberals in actual San Francisco actually think about Madame Speaker... she's about as well-liked as DiFi.
Of course, the reasons San Francisco "liberals" dislike Ms. Pelosi are the exact same reasons the media whores will be swooning all over her in about six months...
Were any of you guys here around this time last night?
Some guy pretending to be shoelimpy
He was around most of the day today too.
Senior U.N. practitioners must be invited to make their own experienced judgments. A new dynamic could be created and a new hope offered, with no participant able to say truthfully that the collapse of Iraq is in its particular interest.
The UN General Assembly on Friday night overwhelmingly passed a resolution condemning the errant shelling of a Beit Hanun house which killed some 20 Palestinians.
Representatives of 156 countries voted in favor of the resolution, seven objected and six abstained.
Voting "no" were the United States, Israel, Australia, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru and Palau. Abstaining were Canada, Ivory Coast, Papua New Guinea, Tonga, Tuvalu and Vanuatu.
It really is going to revert to the Clinton-Lewinsky press of by gone years.
The gang of 500 should be parachuted into Abu Ghraib.
African-Americans are easily the ethnic group most hostile toward gay rights.
fact | 11.18.06 - 12:41 am | #
Somebody else want to swat this nit?
Fuck him. Not worth the effort
Somebody else want to swat this nit?
steve simels
Why?
It's just Jack.
Its just jack, the brain damage troll.
as Digby sez...no honeymoon, and it;'s all anti-Clinton all the time. And anti-dem all the time. That's the way it is.
However.....the voters weren't comvinced this time.
That, though, still freaks me out, that we actually won.
They have me so paranoid, I suspect a trap.
Micronesia has always known what is best.
Prior to the debate, Gillerman said the session is a "humiliation and cynical exploitation of the UN, and whoever lends a hand to this decision is lending a hand to terror."
The United States ambassador to the UN, John Bolton, warned member states against approving the proposal, saying it would undermine the organization's relevance.
"Such a decision will only strengthen the widespread doubts regarding the UN, and lead many to conclude that the global organization cannot fulfill a role in the region," said Bolton.
The gang of 500 should be parachuted into Abu Ghraib.
Richard
Only without the parachute.
Is Jack really Incognito or is it just a joke?
It is really, really, really hard being with the White Hat group going up against the Black Hat gang. If one;s mind isn't able to think of the foulest kinds of actions, one is fucking hard-pressed to combat same.
Maybe I'd better finally buy me some Sun Tzou (sp??).
"Such a decision will only strengthen the widespread doubts regarding the UN, and lead many to conclude that the global organization cannot fulfill a role in the region," said Bolton.
mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
This said after losing a vote 156 to 6.
Bolton's insane.
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Is Jack really Incognito or is it just a joke?
How many times must I say it? jack=incog=atrios.
Steve Simels:
What did you think of the Bond movie?
The Old Man from Scene 24 | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:40 am
Short version -- easily the best non-Connery Bond ever. Craig's brilliant, the script is very smart, the Bond girl is to die for, excellent villain.
The backstory stuff, including the stuff with Dench is M, is great. They even find a clever way to put Bond in a 64 Aston Martin. And the action sequences are to die for -- by which I mean, no gadgets, no stupid explosions. And no post Tarantino, John Woo, Bourne shit. The stunts are breathtaking because they look actually plausible.
Also, it has a real sixties feel in terms of the locations -- the Bahamas, the Casino, etc.
A real good movie all in all.
Maybe this is aprt of Rove's master strategy. Conduct a strategic retreat allowing the Dems to have the appearance of "governing" while the repigs in Congress filibuster anhd the Chimp vetoes anything esle that gets through.
Then attack the Dems as "ineffective"
Dan Gillerman is the same nonhuman scum who said that Israeli murderers of children ought to be seen in a different moral category from Hizbullah because after all being Jewish they feel really guilty about everyone they're killing.
Question to Jewish writers of mass murder apologetics and muscular Jewish pressure groups that boast that they control congress: why don't you think you are are far worse potential cause of hatred than some redneck with a website?
Bolton's insane.
Yup. Thankfully his time is up as soon as the new Congress convenes.
African-Americans are easily the ethnic group most hostile toward gay rights.
fact | 11.18.06 - 12:41 am | #
Somebody else want to swat this nit?
steve simels
Maybe these guys will....
They have me so paranoid, I suspect a trap.
Sarah Deere, Shrill One | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:44 am | #
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I know, I know but all we can do is go along like what we do matters and not be detered by repuke opinions. I keep telling myself it is not about convincing the loud mouths. That is a waste of effort. It's the Howard Deans that give me hope.
How many times must I say it? jack=incog=atrios.
JeffCO |
=Wiley
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How many times must I say it? jack=incog=atrios.
JeffCO
We're all jack.
Micronesia has always known what is best.
kmymkk | 11.18.06 - 12:44 am | #
Micronesia for the Micronesians!!!!
steve - your Express order has not bounced yet....
Hey, Steve, if you're wondering what to get me for Christmas this year...!
A real good movie all in all.
Sounds great! I might even go see it in the theater!
steve - your Express order has not bounced yet....
JeffCO | 11.18.06 - 12:50 am | #
My fingers are crossed, ecstatically.
Matt Stoller and Sterling Newberry, et al. are sadly guilty of International Wire Fraud...
It really makes me sad to be the one to persue their prosecution, but, I'm doing it, as I cannot deal with seeing their fraud any more.
http://monkeyfister.blogspot.com...arently-
no.html
There is no choice but to stop them at this point. The fraud MUST stop.
I'm going to be the one to sue and stop their fraud.
--mf
Also, it has a real sixties feel in terms of the locations -- the Bahamas, the Casino, etc.
So what is the timeframe of this?
Jeremy Who?
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Is Jack really Incognito or is it just a joke?
es la verdad. plus, he works in a fish cannery.
pass it on.
Everything's groovy, like in a movie.
Gahhhhhhhhh.
Why the people who were insanely wrong about Iraq don't kill themselves in shame, is beyond me.
WTF!!
Minority Leader warning off Democrats on judges????
"The Senate's next Republican leader issued a veiled threat to block action on legislation if Democrats refuse to allow confirmation votes on
President Bush's troubled judicial nomination"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20061...ges_filibusters
Wow. Listening to these Republicans on C-Span trying to rationalize away their loss is, well, sad.
So what is the timeframe of this?
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:51 am | #
It's contemporary. The best joke is about how M really misses the Cold War.
But the flavor is definitely early Connery era.
Jeremy Who?
Jeremy Hillary Boob, Ph.D.
On the November 14 edition of his CNN Headline News program, Glenn Beck interviewed Rep.-elect Keith Ellison (D-MN), who became the first Muslim ever elected to Congress on November 7, and asked Ellison if he could "have five minutes here where we're just politically incorrect and I play the cards up on the table." After Ellison agreed, Beck said: "I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' " Beck added: "I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way."
And this guy's show is being heavily promoted all over the internet by CNN.
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Sounds great! I might even go see it in the theater!
The Old Man from Scene 24 | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:50 am | #
Do it. Incredible surround sound...
I'm still waiting for Beck to prove he doesn't fist underage packmules. I think a lot of Americans may think he does.
We're all jack.
We can't all be jack.
jack is an airplane mechanic.
jack has a collection of rare out of print books.
jack's been to Guam.
A real rennaissance troll he is.
Gattaca did an amazing job with design because it forewent futuristic screwing to show off incredible style. We particularly remember this wooden cabinet in the background of the parenting center straight out of the 50s. Gorgeous. Also very thirtyish for obvious reasons. Cars were great.
...the flavor is definitely early Connery era.
The previews look good. Even my lovely wife wants to see it!
Beck vs. Glen Beck.
Hotter or notter?
Why the people who were insanely wrong about Iraq don't kill themselves in shame, is beyond me.
Thers, All-Father
So many more wars to start and so little time to start them.
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If you'd been to Guam, would you tell anyone? What is on Guam but American military property and fantastically poisonous creatures?
Beck vs. Glen Beck. Hotter or notter? Thers
Scientologist vs. Loser. It's a tosser-up!
We're all jack.
My name is Jack
And I live in the back
Of the Greta Garbo Home for Wayward Boys and Girls...
I'm still waiting for Beck to prove he doesn't fist underage packmules. I think a lot of Americans may think he does.
JeffCO | 11.18.06 - 12:57 am | #
I've got video of Beck blowing a hippo on Animal Planet.
Should I post it on YouTube?
My name is Jack
And I live in the back
Of the Greta Garbo Home for Wayward Boys and Girls...
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:59 am | #
I'm braindead...who did that?
Damn, I should know...
dave™© - when Quinn the Eskimo gets here, you are gonna get such a smacking!
Why the people who were insanely wrong about Iraq don't kill themselves in shame, is beyond me.
Thers, All-Father
So many more wars to start and so little time to start them.
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Agent Orange
Yup yup. Iran is next, before January I'd guess...
Beck has incredible talent and isn't a bigot (so far as we know).
Avoiding defeat in Iraq is an unavoidably critical national interest -- for the United States as for Britain. If potentially lethal enemies are strengthened and re-motivated, the consequences will haunt us long after the headlines about withdrawal have faded.
I think I heard that same crap out of Kiss-myfatwhiteass-inger back in 72... followed no peace without honor.
But nationalising the oil in Iraq??? The Whoritage Foundation isn't going to like that
But the flavor is definitely early Connery era.
Good. I've always thought that they should go back and use "From Russia With Love" as the model Bond adventure.
Miami v. Florida
hot or not?
Should I post it on YouTube? steve simels
yer killin me here - check your innernet tubes already!
Ya'll don't want to talk about Matt Stoller and Sterling Newberry committing Wire Fraud?
Strange.
-mf
'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' " Beck added: "I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way."
Jon Stewart: "As a conservative white male the burden is on you to prove that you haven't blown up a Federal building with a fertilizer bomb or blown a gay prostitute in the men's room of a Denny's".
Public Service Announcement:
If there are any Repubs reading this, you may suck my dick.
It is very important to notice the bogus significance assigned by rightists to propaganda. No peasant could possibly be persuaded to join guerillas by the cruelty of state security orces because after all in the official State Department version of reality there is no security force cruelty. Thus the need to create nonsensical, magical seductive powers. This was the origin of the idea of brainwashing. Thus this garbage about how important it is not to hand the enemy a "propaganda victory."
you tubers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V...h?
v=VXwarrIYLJ4
Hey atrios, can I buy you a drink?
Oy... You all are STILL on about Glenn Beck?
YES... He's a racist, and a total bastard.
Is there REALLY ANYTHING to discuss about him?
This is three- day old news.... id there REALLY anything LEFT to discuss about him?
--mf
Don't worry. Poppy bush is hard at work with a team of oldwisemen who will save the bush name. In order to save the bush name, they have to save america first, and that means taking the reigns away from junior.
For once, the interests of america and the bush family are perfectly aligned!
Miami v. Florida
hot or not?
I need your address, you utter... feh. Feh-head.
Oh, Jack was every inch a sailor,
Five and twenty years a whaler;
Jack was every inch a sailor,
He was born upon the bright blue sea.
When Jack grew up to be a man he went to the Labrador,
He fished in Indian Harbour where his father fished before;
On his returning in the fog he met a heavy gale,
And Jack was swept into the sea and swallowed by a whale.
Yup yup. Iran is next, before January I'd guess...
ellroon, hair afire |
Yup, The Discovery Channel is doing its part by airing a 'scary Iran' program this weekend like the scary Saddam programs they ran endlessly 4 years ago.
btw Wasn't it the Discovery Channel that declared Ronald Reagan 'the Greatest American Ever'?
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JeffCO:
Graham Gouldman arrived safely.
Thank you SO much -- I owe you one.
In fact, I'm gonna find the most killer song ever for you...
I am totally hammered.
But the flavor is definitely early Connery era.
Good. I've always thought that they should go back and use "From Russia With Love" as the model Bond adventure.
Richard
My brother!
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this garbage about how important it is not to hand the enemy a "propaganda victory." kmymkk
Your lips move, but I cannot hear what you say.
In 94, then elect Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, supported the nomination of Tom DeLay for majority leader. That nomination was defeated and Dick Aremey was elected majority leader. There was no fuss or anything whatsoever...
This is three- day old news.... id there REALLY anything LEFT to discuss about him?
No, but plenty more to say about CNN's role in shamelessly promoting him.
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I am totally hammered.
WalterNeff
I am attempting to achive like hammererness.
Cheers!
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I say again: We are interested in peace and quiet in the Middle East. We have no policy of attacking [anyone], but we will respond to any invading power with a force that they cannot even imagine.
General Yahya Rahim Safavi, as "translated" by MEMRI, as cited by Glenn Beck, HOT, whose CNN webpage/icon is to the Left of the Haloscan window, if clicked through by Atrios visitors.
that General Yahya Rahim Safavi, he sure has a way with words
I am totally hammered.
At 7 in the evening?
In 94, then elect Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, supported the nomination of Tom DeLay for majority leader. That nomination was defeated and Dick Aremey was elected majority leader. There was no fuss or anything whatsoever...
ÔżÔ
Pelosi's a gurl.
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Did any know that it is OK for Houston Police to trample striking workers?
Neither did I.
btw Wasn't it the Discovery Channel that declared Ronald Reagan 'the Greatest American Ever'?
Yes, but that was decided by a phone in poll. Their's got freeped.
Between W playing the gamelan and Rush's remake of Herbie Hancock's hit song RockIt, showing Rush doing the Michael J. Fox break dance, it's been another good week in the rapid downward spiral of the Rethugs. Plus, Bush's classic remark while in Vietnam about "if we'd only stayed here, there'd probably be 500,000 merikins killed by now....
JeffCO: Graham Gouldman arrived safely.
Woo Hoo! Say the word and 1910's Sticky Sticky will follow.
Wait, I didn't mean that as a threat....
The STOOOPID... IT BURNS!!!!
I am SO out of of here...
Sometimes I seriously wonder what the hell is important to you all...
Really. i MUST be REALLY fucking old.
--mf
I'm braindead...who did that?
Manfred Mann recorded it, and I think John Simon wrote it.
I've always remembered it because a DJ named Jack Hayes used to play that as his theme song on the "adult contemporary" station my father used to listen to back in the early 70s!
Sometimes I seriously wonder what the hell is important to you all...
Your concern is noted...
Really. i MUST be REALLY fucking old. --mf
I have no idea why you might want a bunch of flies, but I do know how you could catch more.
I'd like to nominate Victor Davis Hanson for the Super Wanker Award:
>The one common denominator? Whatever the United States does is suspect; and journalists without responsibility for governance, either for setting policy or for its implementation, are always brighter than generals, politicians, and policy planners saddled with it.
>The truth is that wealthy Western elites in the media have evolved beyond worry over the basics of their civilization. They are so insulated, even after September 11, that they don’t believe there is much connection between liberty, freedom, consensual government, freedom of expression, and the everyday mundane things they depend on — whether excellent medical care, clean water, nice cars, neat electronic gadgets, eating out, or safety in their streets. A nuclear Iran, a missile-laden North Korea, a theocracy in oil-rich Iraq, an unleashed terrorist-sponsoring Syria, and an emboldened Hezbollah — all these still could still never quite take away their good life, so strong is the assurance of their never-ending comfort zone that they could not conceive of ever losing it.
http://
article.nationalreview.co...jE1MjNkNTEwZTU=
I am totally hammered.
WalterNeff
Hey there!
Can't stay now but hope all is well.
The gang of 500 should be parachuted into Abu Ghraib. -
Richard
What have they done that merits giving them parachutes?
Woo Hoo! Say the word and 1910's Sticky Sticky will follow.
How about a punk version of Yummy Yummy Yummy?
Pelosi's a gurl.
And yet she insists on wearing pantsuits!
Sometimes I seriously wonder what the hell is important to you all...
Ask, and ye shall receive.
mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
raghead
dave™©:
John Simon the guy who produced the Band or John Simon the shitheel homophobic theater critic for NY Magazine?
I keed, I keed....
I am totally hammered.
getting there.
Sometimes I seriously wonder what the hell is important to you all...
habeas corpus.
raghead
Incog is commonly defined as a belief or doctrine where inherent biological differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, with a corollary that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. [1]
The term racism is sometimes used to refer to preference for one's own ethnic group (ethnocentrism),[2] fear of difference (xenophobia), views or preferences against interbreeding of the races (miscegenation),[3] and nationalism,[4] regardless of any explicit belief in superiority or inferiority imbedded within such views or preferences. Racism has been used in attempts to justify social discrimination, racial segregation and violence, including genocide.
The term racist, when used to describe someone who supports racism, has been a pejorative term since at least the 1940s, and the identification of a group or person as racist is nearly always controversial.
Racism is also used commonly in comedy.
I keed, I keed....
Funny stuff!
The answer, as we all now, is the homophobic theatre critic...
Woo Hoo! Say the word and 1910's Sticky Sticky will follow.
JeffCO -- Thanks, but that way madness lies.
BTW, I forgot Simon produced the Band.
So did Todd the Mod, but he somehow got screwed out of the actual "production" credit...
Sometimes I seriously wonder what the hell is important to you all...
Warrants. Plus a little piece of paper called the Constitution and a sidebar called the Bill of Rights.
From your website, man:
Have I Told You All How Much I Hate Google Video?
GAAAAAHHHH!!! These hosed up bastards...
This is fucking the ALMIGHTY FUCKING GOOGLE dammit.... WHY, WHY, WHY are they SO fucked up????
Inquiring minds REALLY want to know.
# posted by --mf @ 6:18 PM
OK, mf, be right over.
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I'm not going to get into a flame war with you right now while I'm at work. But I'll be home from the "cannery" in about an hour. Be around then, dc.
incog isn't normally like this.
Sometimes I seriously wonder what the hell is important to you all...
Laslow's Hierarchy of Needs is somewhat important.
incog isn't normally like this.
Drunk/off meds/angry incog used to be. OTOH, lotsa namestealers lately.
I've explained to the dc rh that Atrios can check IP addresses anytime he wants. I am not jack, dc.
Sometimes I seriously wonder what the hell is important to you all...
Coherence?
a "sea of glass"
if only we had followed the Path of Incog. we still could, "wii" the American taxpayers have payed plenty, why not create a "sea of glass" to take care of the ragheads?
MEMRI would approve, ex-vet Incog would approve, hell, the @ American wingnut would approve. why not?
fuck off, "jack"
I'll explain in about an hour.
Sometimes I seriously wonder what the hell is important to you all...
Bill Wyman's 'Monkeyfist' is in there, too.
You're whacked, rh.
BTW --
The new Who album is astounding. As is the 1970 Neil Young/Crazy Horse live album that also just came out.
I hate old-fartism, but these two are fucking inarguable.
IMHO.
Blacks are easily the ethnic group most hostile toward gay rights.
There's new old Neil? Thanks for the tip!
Here I confess, I don't know that a withdrawal is the right thing.
I was against the war from the get-go.
But I feel that now, we have an obligation to Iraq. Even if I didn't vote for the asshat that put us there, I think we have an obligation to do what is best for the Iraqi people.
Is it best for them that we leave now?
Maybe.
But I don't fucking know.
Maybe we need to stick around for their stability's sake, for another few years or so.
Maybe we the only way it will be stable is if we get the fuck out ASAP.
But I think the most moral thing to do is whatever is best for them, because the most applicable principle is one that has been stated before: "you break it, you bought it."
And we sure as hell did break it.
The new Who album is astounding. As is the 1970 Neil Young/Crazy Horse live album that also just came out.
I hate old-fartism, but these two are fucking inarguable.
IMHO.
steve simels |
Thanks Steve, will check out. Most people here have somewhat similar tastes, except for, well you know who.
Good Night Bats and Battesses.
And Good Night, Mrs. Calabash wherever you are.
You should have just left me alone, rh...
my nephew is gaga over Neil Young. me too. you just reminded me what to send him for Xmas.
coolio.
and in ten years, the complete box set.
Blacks are easily the ethnic group most hostile toward gay rights.
fact | 11.18.06 - 1:25 am | #
You are full of shit sir.
fuck off jack
Here I confess, I don't know that a withdrawal is the right thing.
Combatus interruptus leaves no one satisfied.
fact | 11.18.06 - 1:25 am | #
He's correct.
Fading fast...catch you guys on the morrow.
The cleaner the break, the less the pain.
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Gay Black Jewish Crippled Meth Evangelical Women are easily the ethnic group most hostile toward rights.
fact |
Fixed your typo.
in fact, Neil Young is giving away Living With War
And Good Night, Mrs. Calabash wherever you are.
And good luck Mr. Gorsky! I'm out too.
Sometimes I seriously wonder what the hell is important to you all...
Late on a Friday night with a touch of weariness from overheated electoral politics still clinging and the cringe factor of forced family gatherings looming next week? You're kidding, right?
On the other hand, won't somebody please think of the children?!
OK, need to wrap up here before I head out. See yaz in a bit...
Sheeee-it.
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Combatus interruptus leaves no one satisfied.
JeffCO | 11.18.06 - 1:28 am | #
Are we really in combat?
I tend to think we are acting as a police force that occasionally gets ambushed.
This is just another well-meaning plan that depends on the Iraqis behaving totally differently than they have since 2003. Its useless. The Iraqis want to have a civil war, and they will have it. We should get a step ahead for once and start redeploying to contain and limit the blowback from the inevitable civil war and collapse of Iraq.
my nephew is gaga over Neil Young. me too. you just reminded me what to send him for Xmas.
coolio.
and in ten years, the complete box set.
mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
I remember getting the three-record Decade for Xmas. I played "Cowgirl in the Sand" over and over. What a great gift that was!
I'm out.
catch you on the morrow.
damn. everytime i post here everyone signs out. I guess I am just too late and too drunk.
I guess I'm outta here, too (sorry spiritraveller).
Whoever's left, well, y'all take care of your good selves.
I will stay and play, but I have to turn in within the hour.
.
If anyone ever does find that pony he's going to covered in shit.
Anyone remember how long the Paris peace talks went on?
See this? It's a small tactical nuclear device. If Dicklimpy and Annie Dragster come back tonight and take over the blog again, I'm going to set it off.
Sounds harsh, I know, but our survivors will thank me.
Speaking of stun guns:
Clumsy cop stuns himself
November 18, 2006 - 7:39AM
A clumsy New Zealand policeman attending a domestic dispute accidentally shot himself and a teenager with a stun gun before pepper-spraying an innocent woman.
The constable was loading his weapon when he accidentally zapped himself with the stun gun's 50,000 volts while trying to stun a man at the centre of the incident last month, the New Zealand Herald reports.
Another shot hit the man's 16-year-old son.
After five attempts to hit the man, the officer eventually used pepper spray, but succeeded only in hitting the man's 21-year-old daughter - an unintended target.
OK, need to wrap up here before I head out. See yaz in a bit...
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See yaz, tobes.
Maaaaaaaan, I am soooooo stoooooooned.
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I'm gonna start saying "glockenspiel reliquary," over and over again.
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phalarope | 11.18.06 - 1:51 am
It people ignored them but Nooowwwoooo.
They trashed the place and it's not their place. (heard that somewhere before may be, not sure where)
And crick: google - friend etc.
today;s Times:
We’re seeing an increasing fragmentation of the West Bank,” said David Shearer, head of the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, which monitors the West Bank. “The whole fabric of life for the Palestinians has been disrupted.”
His office says Palestinians traveling within the West Bank now face 542 obstacles, 83 of which are guarded by soldiers, compared with fewer than 400 a year ago. The obstacles have effectively divided the West Bank into three sectors — northern, central and southern — and limited movement among them.
“We know these measures harm the quality of life of the Palestinians, but they save the lives of Israelis,” said Shlomo Dror, a spokesman for the government department that deals with the Palestinians.
Oh, alright, 13 months.
I googled it.
Shlomo Dror, a spokesman for the government department that deals with the Palestinians, wonders when his cousin from Brooklyn, Shlomo Greenblatt, is gonna send reserves?
the sooner the better.
DAY-um! Them coastal elites shore do turn in early on Friday nights!
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Egad, I can't even read that article.
Can't these fools understand that Iraq is so fucked up it can't be fixed?
The Discovery Channel is doing its part by airing a 'scary Iran' program this weekend
Agent Orange | 11.18.06 - 1:07 am | #
Do You mean Ted Koppel's show The Most Dangerous Nation? As TK explained on The Daily Show, that title is double-edged, since it's what the Iranians think of the US. TK gave reasons too, like the overthrow of Mossadegh in 1953.
The producers of Scarborough Country found the show sufficiently subversive to have a segment "Is Ted Koppel showing his true colors?" The assumption was that he has a lot of nerve doing so.
The show just might be good
you tubers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V...h? v=VXwarrIYLJ4
pigboy
My goodness. That...hurts, yet heals.
Dear ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sarah Deere! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
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Sarah -- Do I have you address, dear? I should, I know. Never mind. Got it.
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Uncle Smokes
Cinnamon Girl. For the Turnstiles.
that is a wonderful quote by pelosi.
i think murtha tried to say the same thing but clumsily.
Lesson Learned: Hoisin sauce is a very good condiment for left-over chinese take-out (chow fun noodles and brocolli)
The show just might be good
Draco
i resent people who only turn brave after they've left their cushy job.
Git wif me -- RSVP for the Gnashvegan Atriots' Meatspace Collusion -- lurkers and lookie-loos welcome!
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Lesson Learned: Hoisin sauce is a very good condiment for left-over chinese take-out (chow fun noodles and brocolli)
spiritraveller
It makes a fine sexual lubricant, too!
hey, Jeff!!!
do you really have a scooter??
It makes a fine sexual lubricant, too!
Ms. Helpful | 11.18.06 - 2:29 am | #
For real? I'll have to tell the wifey about that,
isn't this sick sounding?
Black pudding is about as carnivorous as it gets - fresh pig's blood and ox intestines go into a Lancashire speciality which was narrowly edged out by tripe and jellied eels in a recent survey of the dishes which the British find least palatable.
yes
prestonian, are you a vegan from nashville? what exactly is a gnashvegan?
It makes a fine sexual lubricant, too!
Ms. Helpful | 11.18.06 - 2:29 am | #
For real? I'll have to tell the wifey about that,
spiritraveller | 11.18.06 - 2:31 am | #
Great if oral sex is part of the menu. Test on a small area beforehand.
hello.
this is truly the city that never sleeps.
hello her eyes
JP, you've got mail
hi ErinPDX!
dear me! i can't sleep
Great if oral sex is part of the menu. Test on a small area beforehand.
Ms. Helpful | 11.18.06 - 2:37 am | #
EXCELLENT!
Sarah Deere: do you really have a scooter??
Yes! Joy! Joy!
No car -- scooter.
Goooooooood Jeffraham.
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OK, for a number of years, there have been many homophobic words used toward gay community on this blog including the term, "cocksucker." The term is the same as calling a gay guy a "faggot." There isn't even a shade of difference. mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari is the worst offender. I've told her/him that it is offensive to gay people over a year ago, but it didn't matter, especially in the few months prior to the election. It was "cocksucker" this and "cocksucker" that refering to the repuke sex scandals. I didn't say anything during all that time because I didn't want to fight about it on an important blog right before the election but I told friends I would address it afterwards, which I did with her/him. Her/him continued so I began refering to her/him as a raghead to stress the point that the term, just like "raghead", was offensive and bigoted. Then as in the past, male heteros jumped in like I'm being unreasonable for objecting to homophobic remarks, "after all, these are traditional slurs used to describe fags like you." Although not their words exactly, that was the meaning behind them. Woody even told me to start my own blog, apparently, "if I found the term, "cocksucker offensive." (Not his words but the meaning behind them) Once again poo-pooing my concerns and the concerns of others. I am not the only gay guy who has pointed out the use of homophobic slurs frequently posted here. But why should I go elsewhere? I should be able to comment someplace whose community describes itself as pro-equality for gays without having the term COCKSUCKER! among many other similar bigoted anti-gay slurs pop out at me. I resent the playing down of my and other's legitimate problem with these homophobic remarks by the heteros here. I resent having to point this out over and over to people here. By now, most of you should know me and how I will take issue, yet a number of you continue right along with it.
Robin Cook, former Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs of the United Kingdom and member of the House of Commons representative, claimed that "Al Qaeda", "literally ‘the database' was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians."
This "database" was used with an associated computer network that was operated during the 1980's by the Islamic Bank for Development, which hosted an early form of dial-up Intranet for the Islamic Conference. This network was the main method of orchestrating terrorist acts and co-ordinating the Mujahideen's fight against the Soviets by the CIA.
An alternate theory, presented in the BBC film series "The Power of Nightmares" states that the name and concept of al-Qaeda was FIRST used by the U.S. Department of Justice in January of 2001 at the New York City trial of four men accused of the 1998 United States embassy bombings in East Africa. By alleging Osama bin Laden's leadership of said organization, it became possible to charge bin Laden in absentia with the crime using the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act also known as the RICO statutes.
This from wikkipedia. However, the second "theory" has all the strength of a wet noodle when we consider that the FIRST assault on our WTC was way, way back there in NINETEEN NINETY THREE, and when we consider the picture of none other than DON RUMSFELD shaking hands with Bin Laden, a picture uncannily like the one of DON RUMSFELD shaking hands with Saddam Hussein, yet ANOTHER dictator whom OUR CIA in fact originally ARMED AND SUPPORTED in their ongoing job as henchmen for the multi-national corporations which have during this exact same time period deliberately suppressed the funding, development and implementation of the wide spectrum of clean, safe, sane, sustainable, renewable independent American energy sources which do, in fact, exist in and throughout our entire planet and cosmos.
So, it is none other than OUR very own CIA which has to a very significant degree CAUSED the current world fubar. A conspiracy, by definition, is a systematic effort to remove the very means to uncover collusion itself. In this regard, the hyperpermamilitarycarceralmsmmindcontrolpetrochemi
calnuclearfiatmoneyscamfubarstate is the grandaddy of all conspiracys.
Americans must therefore demand restoration of our Constitution, our Fairness Doctrine, Equal Time, and related provisions, triple-verified hand counted citizen monitored paper ballots, continued oversight and investigations, and Dual Impeachment of both Cheney and Bush, who are simply the latest public face of what is nothing less than a globalist conspiracy to destroy the actual rights, freedoms, and future of America and mankind itself.
That is all.
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jello: prestonian, are you a vegan from nashville? what exactly is a gnashvegan?
Naw, I eats critters.
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yes, good Jeffraham, better gas mileage than a car!
Black pudding is about as carnivorous as it gets - fresh pig's blood and ox intestines go into a Lancashire speciality which was narrowly edged out by tripe and jellied eels in a recent survey of the dishes which the British find least palatable.
Several diff groups find blood pudding palatable - or at least they feel good about having used every part of the beast they have slaughtered for food. I'd have to be awful damned hungry to eat it, myself.
Then, of course, there's haggis...menudo...chitlins.
Sorry male heteros, like the term "nigger", you no longer get to have your fun and a free pass using them.
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yeah, I believe I understand. I get awfully damned tired of bitch, too. There are almost no (can't actually think of any right now) slurs that apply specifically and exclusively to straight males. Lots for everyone else, though.
oh, Jeff, good for you!! Do you stay on surface streets, though? I don't think I'd feel good about taking them on freeways, solely because of the nutsoid and dangerous ways auto drivers assume on them.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 2:42 am |
My wife is a cocksucker and proud of it... I'm proud of it too.
Personally, I think you should lighten up, but if you can't, starting your owm blog about the issue is a good idea.
i used to worry people calling coulter a trannie was bigoted.
A few websites to assist in this effort imperative to our survival as a nation, as a planet, and as a species are http://www.911truth.org
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com
http://www.mediamatters.com and
http://www.prisonplanet.org
These sites contain links to numerous other resources and information on these vital topics.
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Sorry male heteros, like the term "nigger", you no longer get to have your fun and a free pass using them.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 2:45 am |
Nigger please. You are so behind the times, it is laughable.
incog;
you've certainly made me more sensitive to it, and as a result, i have become more sensitive to other slurs that folks use as a matter of course.
i, as well as many other women, find "cunt" to be very offensive. fortunately, i'm not subjected to it very often, and wouldn't be too pleased if i were.
so i hear you. hopefully others will as well.
that's http://www.prisonplanet.com
I call my girlfriend a cocksucker all the time. She doesn't like it either, even if it's true.
My wife is a cocksucker and proud of it... I'm proud of it too.
Personally, I think you should lighten up, but if you can't, starting your owm blog about the issue is a good idea.
spiritraveller
No, your wife is a cunt.
I call my girlfriend a cocksucker all the time. She doesn't like it either, even if it's true.
sluggo
Golly gee, you totally miss the point. How surprising.
Can I continue to use the word "fudgepacker"?
Just wondering.
Personally, I think you should lighten up, but if you can't, starting your owm blog about the issue is a good idea.
spiritraveller |
Yeah... take it to your own home.
and just finished the Macau Motorcycle Grand Prix. Good stuff.
No, your wife is a cunt.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 2:51 am | #
She has one, yes. But see, you're just trying to offend me... and failing miserably.
Words are words. It's petty. I'm sure, you are a fine individual (if a bit sensitive). And you ought to be aware that when people use words that might offend you, it isn't always their intention to offend.
Part of living in a tolerant society is accepting that people use words that maybe you don't approve of.
And maybe, just maybe you should move on to bigger and better things, like equal fucking rights.
i guess "fuck" is universal and doesn't offend.
And maybe, just maybe you should move on to bigger and better things, like equal fucking rights.
spiritraveller |
Nah... he gets his jollies being a low-level troll...
the whole adrenaline thing when he gets bored.
Words are words. It's petty. I'm sure, you are a fine individual (if a bit sensitive). And you ought to be aware that when people use words that might offend you, it isn't always their intention to offend.
Part of living in a tolerant society is accepting that people use words that maybe you don't approve of.
And maybe, just maybe you should move on to bigger and better things, like equal fucking rights.
spiritraveller
Shut the fuck up already, will you? I didn't even finish reading your post, you moron.
I don't like being called a hetero. Hetero means "same". I'm not the same as anyone. I'm me. I'm unique.
i dunno. i don't automatically equate cocksucker with faggot. terms have a different flavor on a political site. like when people refer to bush as a retard, most people understands that isn't a slam against the developmentally disabled.
Magical thinking.
Thanks other gay guys for jumping in there to also say the term "cocksucker" is offensive, "however true."
Shut the fuck up already, will you? I didn't even finish reading your post, you moron.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 2:57 am | #
I'm sorry you feel that way. If I had better judgment, I wouldn't finish reading your posts either.
Trout thinking.
i see the man finally posted his kitties down below. i thought they were awol, but kitties don't have anything in common with junior.
troutski, you aren't going to elaborate?
Thanks other gay guys for jumping in there to also say the term "cocksucker" is offensive, "however true."
ÔżÔ |
hetero puke!
and next up... final round of the World Touring Car Championships in Macau.
Dammit, Incog, you are just so hard to please. I suppose if I told you to blow me, you'd take offense at that, too.
I love kitties, even though I'm a hetero male.
I'm liberated though, so it's ok.
i guess "fuck" is universal and doesn't offend.
her eyes
well, my mother does get a bit annoyed. yesterday she asked "where are you right now...talking like that." me bad
Truth | 11.18.06 - 2:42 am | #
there is so much to fix and so little time.
i dunno. i don't automatically equate cocksucker with faggot. terms have a different flavor on a political site. like when people refer to bush as a retard, most people understands that isn't a slam against the developmentally disabled.
jello
Let me walk you through this: When someone uses the term cocksucker to refer to a gay guy, which is how it was incidently used numerous times here, what do you picture in your mind? A female sucking cock? Or a gay guy degrading himself "as is his nature on his knees sucking another man off'?
I know it's hopeless to try and explain to y'all and it's not how I get my "jollies." It hurts and wounds me to go through this by now.
everybody has something that makes them different.
the ones that don't have an even harder time of it, I'm convinced.
well, my mother does get a bit annoyed. yesterday she asked "where are you right now...talking like that." me bad
you said "fuck" while talking to your mother?
i don't think i've ever done that!
and it's probably one of my favorite words.
works as an adjective, a noun, a verb, so many uses for so few letters!
I think we hurt Incog's feelings. Well, no more furtive bathroom sex for any of us guys at the next Eschacon, I guess.
i guess "fuck" is universal and doesn't offend.
her eyes
i heard congressman nadler say bullshit in an interview on the radio. unexpected and kinda funny.
her eyes, like i said, i'm bad
perhaps i do it to annoy her.
bring out the psychotherapists!
See, here we are again.
some people call any conservapukes or members of media cocksuckers.
Sarah Deere: oh, Jeff, good for you!! Do you stay on surface streets, though? I don't think I'd feel good about taking them on freeways, solely because of the nutsoid and dangerous ways auto drivers assume on them.
Yes -- absolutely! I try to stay to roads where I'm doing no less than five m.p.h. under the speed limit. I think I only broke that rule once, but only for a block, maybe. And, traffic was light when I did it.
Helmet ON before STARTING scooter, always, too.
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jeez. i don't have to say "fuck" to annoy my mother.
i exist, therefore annoy.
i exist, therefore annoy.
bullshit is one of those words from a previous generation.
my mother does use bullshit.
i think shit is her favorite.
somebody name a good movie. i have to break up this string of nothing but documentaries.
I'm not the only gay guy who's complained about it but for most gay guys, it just feels hopeless to make heteros, especially males, understand. Call youselves liberal or whatever, you're still sorry fucks as far as I'm concerned.
Where's that little cocksucker who doesn't want me to say cocksucker anymore?
Belch.
Thanks other gay guys for jumping in there to also say the term "cocksucker" is offensive, "however true."
Yeah, 'cause no FUCKING WAY you'd be the exception for All Things Gay and Manly!
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Digression here but....
Fuck yeah, am still elated about dems taking house and senate. The corporate media is now grasping at straws..." Nancy Pelosi and fellow dems already squabbling over Murtha and blah blah blah. Obviously she is ineffective and making bad decisions blah blah blah." Ummm yeah, thats called debate.
her eyes | 11.18.06 - 3:06 am | #
I learned that word from my mom.
If, as a gay man, you look at giving a blow job as "degrading yourself", that begs the question, are you really gay?
It doesn't feel degrading when I go down on a woman, nor vice versa (at least for women who have chosen to go down on me... those who find me unattractive would probably feel different).
But honestly, when someone says cocksucker or whatever, NO picture enters my mind. The word is divorced from the picture. People don't think like that.
Ah, but I am wasting my time. You won't finish reading my post anyway, as to you I am a moron.
moonbeams -
sorry to break into the discussion and blurt this out like this BUT
i am so excited!
the evan b. donaldson institute just came out with a study that validates nearly everything that we mothers whose children were taken illegally in adoption have been saying for thirty years.
we have been trying to get it across to people that adoption is not as presented to the public, that it can be very toxic to women who lose children, and that there need to be laws in place to protect women.
we have been shouted down, labeled and have been the objects of more abuse than you can even imagine because we have spoken up.
now the most respected adoption study institute in the world has validated what we have been saying for all these years.
i am almost beside myself with joy at the moment.
Or a gay guy degrading himself
that disturbs me that you would characterize that position as degrading.
I know it's hopeless to try and explain to y'all and it's not how I get my "jollies." It hurts and wounds me to go through this by now.
One day soon, you'll either get over that on your own, or seek help for it. You don't resolve your issues by shouting at well-meaning people who think you're a nervous nelly, taking offense wherever you can clutch at it.
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nancy pelosi has two things going against her: she's a woman *and* a democrat.
time to villainize her.
However.....the voters weren't comvinced this time.
That, though, still freaks me out, that we actually won.
They have me so paranoid, I suspect a trap.
Sarah Deere, Shrill One
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I'm tellin' you the time is right for the citizenry to have its pocket picked by democracy.
There are good cocksuckers and bad cocksuckers. Incog is a good cocksucker, and wingnuts are bad cocksuckers. Could anything be more simple?
It's like the difference between good witches and bad witches in the Wizard of Oz. (See how I cleverly worked a Judy Garland movie into this topic?)
But honestly, when someone says cocksucker or whatever, NO picture enters my mind. The word is divorced from the picture. People don't think like that
My mind doesn't produce pictures from words unless I'm immerssed in a book...statements and short thoughts never illicit images. However, smells constantly give birth to past memories in photo or video form.
some people call any conservapukes or members of media cocksuckers.
jello
When I was in highschool, I worked for a swimming pool company building swimming pools with a bunch of old black men. These men did some grueling work down in the bottom of a concrete pool plastering the crushed white marble inside it. The temperatures were over 120 down there in the middle of summer. The sun turned them very black over the summer especially against the snow white plater they would lay down. We went out and were doing a job for this old racist fuck who walked out and exclaimed, "Look at all the black crows down in my swimming pool." Those old black men got up slowly and walked up the steps out of the swimming pool, began to pack their tools aways and we all left.
Henry Flower | 11.18.06 - 3:12 am | #
i'll have to look that up.
Oh, great, the fake Incog and the cocksucker debate again. Atrios needs to ban putzolds static IP for the good of the community. Enough free speech already.
That, though, still freaks me out, that we actually won.
They have me so paranoid, I suspect a trap.
Sarah Deere, Shrill One
I was actually fairly worried about Kulongoski and Hooley.
However, smells constantly give birth to past memories in photo or video form.
I love the smell of a cocksucker in the morning. It smells just like.......
......semen.
nancy pelosi has two things going against her: she's a woman *and* a democrat.
time to villainize her.
her eyes
yeah... but, her position is established and she has subpoena power. So no matter what the media or other dipshits say about her...her status and abilities remain. This is going to be a fun couple'a years if you ask me.
Those old black men got up slowly and walked up the steps out of the swimming pool, began to pack their tools aways and we all left.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 3:17 am | #
It is different when the language is directed at a person. If I were to call you a "fag" and you didn't know me well enough for that to be funny, I would expect you to be offended, to pick a fight, or in more enlightened times, to simply pick up your tools and walk away.
But the language, standing on its own and not directed at anyone is just words. Usually those words are not meant to offend or to demean. They mean nothing.
I am telling you, as a gay guy, the term "cocksucker" among other are very offensive to me and other gay guys. I don't need to "lighten up." I am telling you it is and has always been OFFENSIVE!!
Oh, great, the fake Incog and the cocksucker debate again. Atrios needs to ban putzolds static IP for the good of the community. Enough free speech already.
Dick Nixon | 11.18.06 - 3:18 am | #
Won't do any good. I'll just flush my cookies and post using a free anonymous proxy.
somebody name a good movie. i have to break up this string of nothing but documentaries.
jello
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The Search (1946) Montgomery Clift. Directed by Fred Zinneman. About a mother's search for the child she was seperated from during WW II. Black and white, semi-doc style, shot in postwar Berlin amongst the bombed ruins.
Black Rain (i960's) Japanese black and white-not the Michael Douglas drivel from the '80's. Story of a Japanese village directly affected by the A bomb on Hiroshima, focusing on a beautiful young woman. Beautiful and heartbreaking.
The Passion of Picasso (1960's) directed by Clouzot showing Picasso creating paintings with the camera behind a see through canvas. Genius at work.
somebody name a good movie. i have to break up this string of nothing but documentaries.
jello
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The Search (1946) Montgomery Clift. Directed by Fred Zinneman. About a mother's search for the child she was seperated from during WW II. Black and white, semi-doc style, shot in postwar Berlin amongst the bombed ruins.
Black Rain (i960's) Japanese black and white-not the Michael Douglas drivel from the '80's. Story of a Japanese village directly affected by the A bomb on Hiroshima, focusing on a beautiful young woman. Beautiful and heartbreaking.
The Passion of Picasso (1960's) directed by Clouzot showing Picasso creating paintings with the camera behind a see through canvas. Genius at work.
her status and abilities remain. This is going to be a fun couple'a years if you ask me.
yep. but it won't stop the dipshit media from trying to turn her into the devil.
i'll have to look that up.
http://
www.adoptioninstitute.org...t_wellbeing.php
i apologize for not putting a link with the post
my mind is blown at the moment
It is OFFENSIVE, just like the term "cunt" is offensive to women and the term "nigger" is offensive to blacks.
This is going to be a fun couple'a years if you ask me.
Tarheel
word
pass the popcorn
The only thing that truly upsets me now is Frankken, Shultz, and sometimes even the cast from Steph Miller proclaiming that impeachment is a bad idea. 3,000 or so US dead and 150,000 (at least) Iraqi civillians dead. Moral compass? What do we impeach for?
NICK AT NITE HAS A STAR TREK MARATHON. GEORGE TAKEI ONLINE NOW FOR LIVE CHAT.
Won't do any good. I'll just flush my cookies and post using a free anonymous proxy.
Toady Putzmold
Thanks, Duncan.
Won't do any good. I'll just flush my cookies and post using a free anonymous proxy.
Toady Putzmold
Just like the term 'raghead' is offensive to Arabs.
her status and abilities remain. This is going to be a fun couple'a years if you ask me.
yep. but it won't stop the dipshit media from trying to turn her into the devil.
her eyes | 11.18.06 - 3:25 am | #
Ah fuck the dipshits. We won and we have reason to be happy.
yep. but it won't stop the dipshit media from trying to turn her into the devil.
her eyes | 11.18.06 - 3:25 am
Possibly, but this woman won't put up with that bullshit...she's tough as nails if you ask me.
I am telling you, as a gay guy, the term "cocksucker" among other are very offensive to me and other gay guys. I don't need to "lighten up." I am telling you it is and has always been OFFENSIVE!!
I'm offended by all manner of shit... and adult enough to pick my battles. You're being an ass, whoever you may be.
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yep. but it won't stop the dipshit media from trying to turn her into the devil.
her eyes | 11.18.06 - 3:25 am | #
Would that be the same dipshit media that couldn't float the Republican boat in the most recent election?
The only thing that truly upsets me now is Frankken, Shultz, and sometimes even the cast from Steph Miller proclaiming that impeachment is a bad idea. 3,000 or so US dead and 150,000 (at least) Iraqi civillians dead. Moral compass? What do we impeach for?
if not now, then when? if not for this, then what?
apparently consensual sex is a far more heinous crime....
incog,
I and most people here understand that it offensive. What else do you want us to say? Hundreds of people write here every day.
spiritraveller, you're so far out there in the ether, I wont ever try to dissemble your comments to reply.
ErinPDX: I and most people here understand that it offensive. What else do you want us to say? Hundreds of people write here every day.
He'd have no outlet if he found a "solution." The whining, thin-skinned mewling is the point of the process.
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Would that be the same dipshit media that couldn't float the Republican boat in the most recent election?
zut | 11.18.06 - 3:28 am | #
you'll notice it doesn't stop them from trying.
Won't do any good. I'll just flush my cookies and post using a free anonymous proxy.
Toady Putzmold
Just like the term 'raghead' is offensive to Arabs.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 3:27 am | #
Non sequitur. 5 point penalty.
incog,
I and most people here understand that it offensive. What else do you want us to say? Hundreds of people write here every day.
ErinPDX
Just that, really...
I am telling you, as a gay guy, the term "cocksucker" among other are very offensive to me and other gay guys. I don't need to "lighten up." I am telling you it is and has always been OFFENSIVE!!
ÔżÔ
duly noted.
How can there be a whole story about the Ducks taking on the Wildcats but no mention of the friggin time and tv/radio station(s)?
you'll notice it doesn't stop them from trying.
her eyes | 11.18.06 - 3:30 am |
Nor will it ever, but people are catching on. Have caught on.
if not now, then when? if not for this, then what?
apparently consensual sex is a far more heinous crime....
her eyes | 11.18.06 - 3:28 am |
No. Being a Republican is the real crime. Having impeachment for the sake of politics is a Republican act.
if not now, then when? if not for this, then what?
apparently consensual sex is a far more heinous crime....
her eyes | 11.18.06 - 3:28 am | #
My favorite hobby now is to imagine Bush and co. coming before a war crimes tribunal. I feel bad for the family dynamic of it all, but then I remember that he is a mass murderer.
Incog, real or imagined...
Wish I could help, but I've seen you like this, before. Best of luck.
.
well, incog
I'll try not to say it myself, if I ever have. Don't think so. Take care all, got a lot of work tomorrow.
Nor will it ever, but people are catching on. Have caught on.
yeah, i have noticed. a while back, i talked to a couple of good ole boys at work. i thought them to be typical repukes or maybe just close minded enough to be repukes, and i said something like "the media is lying to you" and they all nodded in agreement, and basically concurred.
it was then, i think, that my hope returned.
Good evening, bats.
How goes it?
Just like the term 'raghead' is offensive to Arabs.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 3:27 am | #
Non sequitur. 5 point penalty.
zut
Or maybe I was responding in a way to mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari who is here but namestealing someone else? Atrios can check IP addresses.
Impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors is mandated by the democratic process.
To be intimidated by impeachment is to be intimidated by democracy itself.
g'night, ErinPDX.
Incog was the first person to use the word cocksucker in this thread. Nobody else had used the word prior to Incog's initial comment.
How goes it?
rorschach
Don't stroll in here like a dog casually wagging it's tail like it doesn't know what's going on. You've been reading these comments for awhile.
ErinPDX: I'll try not to say it myself, if I ever have.
That's far more than I'm willing to concede. I'll say what I like, thanks -- if I offend, the offended can talk to me about it, or go home and cry into a pillow.
.
Atrios can check IP addresses.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 3:36 am | #
Man, that's almost as scary as the FBI warning on DVDs.
The only thing that truly upsets me now is Frankken, Shultz, and sometimes even the cast from Steph Miller proclaiming that impeachment is a bad idea. 3,000 or so US dead and 150,000 (at least) Iraqi civillians dead. Moral compass? What do we impeach for?
remember how 9/11 widows pushed for a commission? maybe if a coalition of military families who lost people in the war, combined forces to push for impeachment after hearings were held...
(Why is cocksucker an insult to queer folk, may I ask? Most hetero women are cocksuckers, and only some queer women are...? And some queer men don't suck cock...)
How goes it?
rorschach
Don't stroll in here like a dog casually wagging it's tail like it doesn't know what's going on. You've been reading these comments for awhile.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 3:38 am | #
Paranoia, much?
No, I just got home, thank you.
Non sequitur. 5 point penalty.
zut
Or maybe I was responding in a way to mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari who is here but namestealing someone else? Atrios can check IP addresses.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 3:36 am | #
Unfounded paranoiac statement. 12 point penalty.
By the way Jump, I love your post at AmericaBlog. I read all of you but mostly just lurk there.
rorschach: (Why is cocksucker an insult to queer folk, may I ask? Most hetero women are cocksuckers, and only some queer women are...? And some queer men don't suck cock...)
Hey, if you had a chip on your shoulder that big, you'd find offense at every turn, too!
.
Impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors is mandated by the democratic process.
To be intimidated by impeachment is to be intimidated by democracy itself.
Bobby St. Chomsky
100% accurate, which is why I lover Russ Feingold..."when our children and grandchildren look back on history from this period, they will wonder who took a stand"( not verbatim from the senator, but the idea is correct). Fuck I wish he'd run fro prez!
Goddamnit, I want to encourage cocksucking by all peoples. I have a cock and am all too happy when someone sucks it.
Please forgive me oh cocksuckers if I have offended thee. I beg thee to continue sucking cock.
Anyone else a BSG junkie? I just got home from watching it, and man this week's episode blew me the fuck away! (a movie theatre in Austin shows it weekly on the big screen, so I watch it there).
Damn!
Hey, if you had a chip on your shoulder that big, you'd find offense at every turn, too!
.
Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:40 am | #
As you noted earlier, Incog's in one of 'is moods. Ah well. He can kiss my cocksucking IP!
rorschach: Anyone else a BSG junkie?
Taint never seed it.
.
rory, i'm so out of the loop driving kids around
what is this BSG?
(Why is cocksucker an insult to queer folk, may I ask? Most hetero women are cocksuckers, and only some queer women are...? And some queer men don't suck cock...)
rorschach
Then why call someone who may or may not suck cock a "cocksucker" if it really isn't even a slur at all...
anyone know how to get cat pee out of carpet?
Battlestar Galactica, you fucking, um, non-nerds!
Battlestar Gallactica?
Then why call someone who may or may not suck cock a "cocksucker" if it really isn't even a slur at all...
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 3:43 am | #
Who knows, ya fucker?
anyone know how to get cat pee out of carpet?
ErinPDX | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:44 am | #
dry cleaners have the magic formula.
anyone know how to get cat pee out of carpet?
ErinPDX | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:44 am | #
smell or stain?
do NOT use amonia.
I'm so fucking stupid I never really thought much about what a cocksucker was, except that I was happy to be one.
Then why call someone who may or may not suck cock a "cocksucker" if it really isn't even a slur at all...
And finally... who really gives a fuck? Did you grow up in Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood?
.
Anyone else a BSG junkie? I just got home from watching it, and man this week's episode blew me the fuck away! (a movie theatre in Austin shows it weekly on the big screen, so I watch it there).
Damn!
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:42 am |
Yeah, we love it. We tape it on Fridays and watch it on Saturday nights when there's not much else on. It's also nice to be able to fast-forward through the commercials.
I thought that the liberation of New Caprica was one of the best things I've ever seen on TV. I don't remember the name of the episode. 3 weeks ago?
ooops.
i mean...
battlestar galactica?
rorschach is like the gay DLC on gay issues.
I'm so fucking stupid I never really thought much about what a cocksucker was, except that I was happy to be one.
ErinPDX | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:45 am | #
You make me swoon with such talk!
ErinPDX: anyone know how to get cat pee out of carpet?
Ask your vet which of the latest enzymic cleansers does the trick. They'll know.
.
Battlestar Galactica, you fucking, um, non-nerds!
rorschach
like i've said before, you and my husband would get along just fine. the stories you'd swap, oh my.
remember how 9/11 widows pushed for a commission? maybe if a coalition of military families who lost people in the war, combined forces to push for impeachment after hearings were held...
jello
I remember. I hope those families affected do push for such measures. I also hope they are able to push away the feelings of violence and revenge that surround one in situations that take loved ones. The breeding ground for death is over watered and all too pervasive....poor lost Israel.
I thought that the liberation of New Caprica was one of the best things I've ever seen on TV. I don't remember the name of the episode. 3 weeks ago?
zut | 11.18.06 - 3:45 am | #
Oh my fucking god--when they jumped in to the atmosphere!?
It doesn't get much better than that.
I shan't spoil, but I'll last week's episode pissed me off, but this one redeemed the writers in my eyes.
You make me swoon with such talk!
here, take this fainting couch
Then why call someone who may or may not suck cock a "cocksucker" if it really isn't even a slur at all...
ÔżÔ
depends on how it's said. could be shorthand to refer to somebody willing to whore themselves out for political gain.
uh oh. now i've insulted whores.
rorschach is like the gay DLC on gay issues.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 3:46 am | #
Um, yeah.
Right.
I'm more radical than you on all issues. Also smarter.
I'm so fucking stupid I never really thought much about what a cocksucker was, except that I was happy to be one.
ErinPDX
Yeah, we're all niggers, too and the like. Still, when you wake up tomorrow, you'll still be white...
anyone know how to get cat pee out of carpet?
ErinPDX | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:44 am | #
i tore the carpet out.
here, take this fainting couch
ErinPDX | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:48 am | #
Thank you, darlin'. Ever so kind.
And you think that I'm a geek? Check out what miriam spent all too many hours doing. (Granted, you won't get it unless you're a BSG geek.)
uh oh. now i've insulted whores.
jello | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:48 am | #
Yeah, please don't do that. All we need is a whore-strike and then none of the DC politicians will get laid anymore.
Can you imagine the turmoil that would ensue?
Unfounded paranoiac statement. 12 point penalty.
zut
and one pause that refreshes
Also smarter.
rorschach Um, yeah.
Don't know if he posts here anymore, but you and Dirk Gently have always been right on... in my humble opinion....your only fault is loving cats more than dogs.
ErinPDX: anyone know how to get cat pee out of carpet?
A lot of pet stores carry urine deodorizers. Many different brands, most work well. You don't have to buy the most expensive one. We use one that has no odor of it's own, and it works. It's called F.O.N. (Feline Odor Neutralizer.) Even if you can't find that brand, you can find something like it. The label says it's non-toxic.
Don't know if he posts here anymore, but you and Dirk Gently have always been right on... in my humble opinion....your only fault is loving cats more than dogs.
Tarheel | 11.18.06 - 3:52 am | #
You are too kind! (Though all three of my cats are clawing at my eyeballs for saying so.)
too kind!
Howdy, folks. What's the good word?
I do miss Dirk Gently.
I'm more radical than you on all issues. Also smarter.
rorschach
What does, "more radical on all issues" refer to? Give me an example.
Hey Phila.
I'm the new gay DLC! That's the word!
I'm the new gay DLC! That's the word!
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:55 am | #
Cool! Can you get me discounts on Marimekko handbags?
I'd just like to say that I really do know that the possesive form of the word "it" has no apostrophe.
Just sayin'.
Howdy, folks. What's the good word?
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Don't come strolling in here like a dog wagging its tail as if you haven't been reading these comments.
Don't come strolling in here like a dog wagging its tail as if you haven't been reading these comments.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 3:56 am | #
Is your analogy of a gay dog or a straight dog?
Clarification please.
Cool! Can you get me discounts on Marimekko handbags?
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:56 am | #
Sorry. You're not queer enough!
And I am the Gatekeeper, so ordained by Incog His Own Damn Self!
However.....the voters weren't comvinced this time.
sarah, if you are still around, i think the voters are developing immunity to the whole rap
(Though all three of my cats are clawing at my eyeballs for saying so.)
too kind!
rorschach
Hey, get a boxer, the breed is like a cat-dog hybrid fixed with a muzzle containing cat-nip...laughs for hours on end...good snuggles too.
What does, "more radical on all issues" refer to? Give me an example.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 3:55 am | #
I think Incog's more radical than Rorschach on subjects like vampires from the fifth dimension, cattle mutilations, &c...
thanks for the advice everyone
also, dirk has been around ...daytime in the last week
rory, give miriam a huge hug
incog, give yourself a big hug
Don't come strolling in here like a dog wagging its tail as if you haven't been reading these comments.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 3:56 am | #
Fuck you, friend. Just walked in the goddamn door after a night on the town.
I'd just like to say that I really do know that the possesive form of the word "it" has no apostrophe.
Just sayin'.
zut | 11.18.06 - 3:56 am | #
That's "possessive" to you, buddy.
And keep yer "I'd" in yer pants, as Freud suggests.
I shan't spoil, but I'll last week's episode pissed me off, but this one redeemed the writers in my eyes.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:48 am | #
Yes, last week's episode was sleepy.
Do you remember when multi-million dollar sci-fi movies didn't have effects as good as the ones in BSG, to say nothing of the character development and the stories?
I keep praying, "Please don't jump the shark. Please."
I'd just like to say that I really do know that the possesive form of the word "it" has no apostrophe.
Just sayin'.
are you 100% sure?
because it's been plaguing me for decades.
And keep yer "I'd" in yer pants, as Freud suggests.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:59 am | #
I'll just shut up now...
I'm not making it up. The term "cocksucker" is offensive to gay people.
And I am the Gatekeeper, so ordained by Incog His Own Damn Self!
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:58 am | #
I think you two should settle your differences in bed.
Once that's worked out, you can tackle kei and yuri.
you guys are too funny i don't want to leave but need to
but I really want to know what the gay DLC logo looks like
and how about the mission, vision, and values statements?
Don't come strolling in here like a dog wagging its tail as if you haven't been reading these comments.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 3:56 am | #
Fuck you, friend. Just walked in the goddamn door after a night on the town.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 3:59 am | #
Heh.
Check him attacking me at 3:38 AM.
He's a silly one.
"it" has no apostrophe.
Just sayin'.
zut
Language is constantly in flux, doesn't matter how you say it as long as the person you're talkin to gets the idea. Damn sticklers!!
you guys are too funny i don't want to leave but need to
but I really want to know what the gay DLC logo looks like
and how about the mission, vision, and values statements?
ErinPDX | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:01 am | #
Don't forget the value prop and - most important - the positioning statement...
I am instigating (or at least trying) too much already.
I'll try not to refer to cocksucking or cocksuckers as the door hits my ass on the way out.
I'm not making it up. The term "cocksucker" is offensive to gay people.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 4:00 am | #
Got it.
Nags are offensive to everyone.
Get it?
I'll just shut up now...
zut | 11.18.06 - 4:00 am | #
Please don't! I was teasin'!
Simels here?
Check him attacking me at 3:38 AM.
He's a silly one.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:01 am | #
He's sassy, alright.
Hey
Hey
I'm not making it up. The term "cocksucker" is offensive to me when I'm pissy.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 4:00 am | #
Fixed your typo.
Fuck you, friend. Just walked in the goddamn door after a night on the town.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Just thinking about it reminds me of that club in downtown Fairfax. Good times in the 80's.
I'm not making it up. The term "cocksucker" is offensive to gay people.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 4:00 am | #
It's true. Just now called my wife a cocksucker, and she was fine with it.
Fuck you, friend. Just walked in the goddamn door after a night on the town.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Hey, just trying to crack a joke. Read upthread. I said the same thing to rorschach when he "strolled in" asking the same thing just moments before you did.
I keep praying, "Please don't jump the shark. Please."
zut | 11.18.06 - 3:59 am | #
Yeah, I'm the same way. But they just keep on with the quality. Quite amazing, especially outside of HBO and such.
Just thinking about it reminds me of that club in downtown Fairfax. Good times in the 80's.
ErinPDX | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:04 am | #
Heh. I was in the city tonight, actually. And in the eighties.
Although I think I went there once...the place with the glass bricks, yes?
It's true. Just now called my wife a cocksucker, and she was fine with it.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:04 am | #
Newsflash, Phila: Your wife is a tolerant (very tolerant) lesbian.
Hey, just trying to crack a joke. Read upthread. I said the same thing to rorschach when he "strolled in" asking the same thing just moments before you did.
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 4:04 am | #
I was kidding my own self.
it was on a side street, halfway down, lots of wood inside as I recall, big open room.
Newsflash, Phila: Your wife is a tolerant (very tolerant) lesbian.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:06 am | #
Believe me, I've noticed. She spots the curvy gals before I do, half the time.
Phila is a cocksucker, who knew...
it was on a side street, halfway down, lots of wood inside as I recall, big open room.
ErinPDX | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:06 am | #
OK, I know the place you mean. Never went in, though.
I'm particularly proud of this one.
Of course, I would be, since this is the only slogan I came up with.
Can I refer to you as "Phila the Cocksucker" from now on?
Phila is a cocksucker, who knew...
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 4:07 am | #
I prefer to think of myself as a dicklicker.
Can I refer to you as "Phila the Cocksucker" from now on?
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 4:09 am | #
I'd be honored!
Newsflash, Phila: Your wife is a tolerant (very tolerant) lesbian.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:06 am | #
Believe me, I've noticed. She spots the curvy gals before I do, half the time.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:07 am | #
Share and share alike.
It's the secret to a happy marriage.
That's not offensive or anything is it?
Welcome to the late nite pain hour.
Yeah, I'm the same way. But they just keep on with the quality. Quite amazing, especially outside of HBO and such.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:05 am |
Fingers crossed.
No Tribble episodes. No descending wah-wah trumpet when someone ambushes a Toaster. No food fights.
I'd be honored!
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Yeeaaah, but we all know you don't really suck cock, don't we...
Welcome to the late nite pain hour.
Barndog, Not Trolling | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:11 am | #
*mwah* ya cocksucker!
anyone know how to get cat pee out of carpet?
ErinPDX
use enzyme stuff to neutralize. Nature's Miracle is one. You can also go to places that cater to home health clilentele - they'll have enzyme-y sprays for urine, feces, vomit that neutralize the stuff.
Share and share alike.
It's the secret to a happy marriage.
rorschach
push away, come together... kudos if the times together include a third party of the female persuasion...Phila you lucky bastard.
Yeeaaah, but we all know you don't really suck cock, don't we...
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 4:12 am | #
Just my own...
Don't get used to it. I've only been up since 2:30.
Phila you lucky bastard.
Tarheel | 11.18.06 - 4:12 am | #
Yeah, but not 'cause of that stuff...I'd be just as lucky celibate.
kudos if the times together include a third party of the female persuasion
Now, now, no need to be sexist about it.
Yeeaaah, but we all know you don't really suck cock, don't we...
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 4:12 am | #
Just my own...
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:13 am | #
Why must you continually deny our weekend in Vermont?
*sob*
Just my own...
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Don't make light of it. If you ask gay guys, and many are lurking right now, if the term "cocksucker" and the way it's used is offensive, they will all tell you it is. The same way cunt and nigger are offensive. And the scum mrs raghead is lurking, too.
Why must you continually deny our weekend in Vermont?
*sob*
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:15 am | #
Well, you're not a true queer, so I figure it doesn't count.
i think the voters are developing immunity to the whole rap
Henry Flower |
HF, I am so hopeful that you are right!
Yeah, but not 'cause of that stuff...I'd be just as lucky celibate.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:15 am | #
Before Enlightenment, you chop wood and carry water.
After Enlightenment, you chop wood and carry water.
Why must you continually deny our weekend in Vermont?
*sob*
rorschach
= Gay DLC
Yeah, but not 'cause of that stuff...I'd be just as lucky celibate.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
ahhh, true love....again, you lucky bastard...most people don't even get a taste of such dealings.
If you ask gay guys, and many are lurking right now,
I ask you, many lurking gay guys, is "cocksucker" offensive to you?
Don't make light of it. If you ask gay guys, and many are lurking right now, if the term "cocksucker" and the way it's used is offensive, they will all tell you it is.
Speaking as someone who has never known, been related to, lived with, played in bands with, or worked with a gay man, I can't tell you how grateful I am for this insight into their eternal nature.
Any gay guys like the term "cocksucker" they way it's used?
Well, you're not a true queer, so I figure it doesn't count.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:16 am | #
Damn it! I'm only the gay DLC, whatever the hell that means!
The best people show up when I'm already an hour late getting to bed.
Last night was terrible -- Shoelimpy and Annieangel took over the thread, and stayed. People just wouldn't stop engaging them.
Good night all.
You bunch of Cocksuckers!
Before Enlightenment, you chop wood and carry water.
After Enlightenment, you chop wood and carry water.
rorschach
Dont' know if you've read him, but Allen Watts would love that.
What a fucking horrible week.
I ask you, many lurking gay guys, is "cocksucker" offensive to you?
rorschach
I asked, "how the term 'cocksuker' is used."
I can't tell you how grateful I am for this insight into their eternal nature.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:18 am | #
I have to say, I managed a gay bar in New Orleans for a long time, and I never realized that gay men were as fractious as they apparently are, on the word of Incog.
The cowardly mrs raghead, who is lurking, still hasn't popped up since I wrote the thing was namestealing...
It's the secret to a happy marriage.
rorschach |
The secret to a happy mariiage is for men and women (if it is a hetero union) to live either across the street from one another, or side by side in a duplex. Visit one another when it's mutually agreeable.
I ask you, many lurking gay guys, is "cocksucker" offensive to you?
rorschach
I asked, "how the term 'cocksuker' is used."
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 4:20 am | #
I ask you, many lurking gay guys, is "how the term 'cocksuker' is used" offensive to you?
Aside from the missing "c," I mean.
Love,
the gay DLC
I have to say, I managed a gay bar in New Orleans for a long time, and I never realized that gay men were as fractious as they apparently are, on the word of Incog.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:21 am | #
I've known exactly two whom I'd say were basically pissy martinets with no sense of humor about themselves. And one was into Ayn Rand, so I think he would've been that way whether he sucked cock or not.
I have to say, I managed a gay bar in New Orleans for a long time, and I never realized that gay men were as fractious as they apparently are, on the word of Incog.
rorschach
Neither did the DLC...
What a fucking horrible week.
Barndog, Not Trolling |
Agreed. One to shove up the Annals of Time, goodbye.
the gay DLC
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:23 am | #
I guess that makes Incog the gay Bob Avakian?
Agreed. One to shove up the Annals of Time, goodbye.
Sarah Deere, Shrill One | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:25 am | #
Gay men object to the use of the phrase "shove up."
HF, I am so hopeful that you are right!
They fooled most of the people for a time, but not anymore.
I've known exactly two whom I'd say were basically pissy martinets with no sense of humor about themselves. And one was into Ayn Rand, so I think he would've been that way whether he sucked cock or not.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:23 am | #
Sadly, all too many of my regulars were Incog-esque, and would take pleasure in hating on all who might befriend them.
A LOT of people who came into my bar were racist, sexist motherfuckers. They didn't stay long, whether gay or straight, black or white, man or woman.
why is it "cock"sucking, does one suppose? Is it more euphonious? "Penis" sucking just doesn't slide off the tongue (so to speak) as easily. "Prick" sucking - well, the consonants just collide, don't they? Nothing scans quite as well as cocksucking, IMHO.
This shall henceforth be known for all time by all men and women as the Cocksucker Thread!
(I wish I could have gotten Kenneth Brannagh to read that.)
Has anyone here actually ever been called a "cocksucker"? I've never heard the word uttered.
Has anyone here actually ever been called a "cocksucker"? I've never heard the word uttered.
Tarheel | 11.18.06 - 4:28 am | #
Only by Incog, you cocksucker!
Gay men object to the use of the phrase "shove up."
Phila, The Gay Blade |
It's a minefield out there, I realize.
you know what i find offensive?
650,000 dead iraqis over 2000 dead troops and numbskulls raping the constitution.
semantics.
A LOT of people who came into my bar were racist, sexist motherfuckers. They didn't stay long, whether gay or straight, black or white, man or woman.
rorschach
You worked in South Carolina?
Nothing scans quite as well as cocksucking, IMHO.
Sarah Deere, Shrill One | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:28 am | #
What about "knob-gobbling"?
I think I would rather burn it in a funeral pyre type event.
It would be more cleansing for my soul that way.
why is it "cock"sucking, does one suppose? Is it more euphonious? "Penis" sucking just doesn't slide off the tongue (so to speak) as easily. "Prick" sucking - well, the consonants just collide, don't they? Nothing scans quite as well as cocksucking, IMHO.
Sarah Deere, Shrill One | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:28 am | #
Also, you want the more guttural vowels, the "o"s and the "u"s.
Has anyone here actually ever been called a "cocksucker"? I've never heard the word uttered.
Tarheel | 11.18.06 - 4:28 am | #
You're a total cocksucker for daring to ask that question.
I don't see the schidzotrolls tonight. Thank goodness. Feeding them 'til they choke didn't work last night. They're like dogs.
What about "knob-gobbling"?
Phila, The Gay Blade | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:30 am | #
Well, then you bring in the "bbl" cluster, which Noam Chomsky has shown to be fundamentally silly-sounding.
I've known exactly two whom I'd say were basically pissy martinets with no sense of humor about themselves
Yeah, why didn't them 'watermellon eating nigras' have a sense of humor about themselves, either.
I'm not making it up: The term "cocksucker", the way it's used, is offensive to gay guys.
Go ask John at AmericaBlog if he thinks the way the term is used is offensive or not and get back with me...
Also, you want the more guttural vowels, the "o"s and the "u"s.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:30 am | #
It has a nice woody sound.
"Penis" is awful...very tinny.
650,000 dead iraqis over 2000 dead troops and numbskulls raping the constitution.
obscene beyond description, her eyes
and that doesn't even cover it.
i hate to use the word evil, but it does begin to plumb the depths.
Karl Marx wrote the cosksuckers manifesto...
or was that Karl Marx?
Only by Incog, you cocksucker!
rorschach
Face to face though...? Who has the ballz?
What about "knob-gobbling"?
What about kissing the snotty end of the fuck-stick?
Karl Rove* dammit
Yeah, why didn't them 'watermellon eating nigras' have a sense of humor about themselves, either.
Newsflash: They did. Listen to the Old South Quartette's recording of "Watermelon Party" sometime.
Seriously, go over to John at AmericaBlog and ask him: Do you think describing Mark Foley as a "cocksucker" is offensive?
I'm not making it up: The term "cocksucker", the way it's used, is offensive to gay guys.
Hmm...
I think if you say it one... more... time...
then I'll be convinced!
It has a nice woody sound.
one syllable words can be spit out and uttered to sound more like a curse.
HF--
obscene is a good word.
why hesitate to use evil?
What about "knob-gobbling"?
Phila, The Gay Blade
well...it leaves a lot to be desired, I think, and probably completely strips the act of....
Let me put it this way: what woiuld you rather your adored one said to you? "Sugar, I really want to gobble your knob" - or "Darlin', I so want to suck your cock..."
Personally, I couldn't say the former without giggling, losing the mood, you know? But that may just be me. And I would think of turkeys. Gobbling. Not conducive. Just sayin'....
Seriously, go over to John at AmericaBlog and ask him: Do you think describing Mark Foley as a "cocksucker" is offensive?
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 4:34 am | #
I wasn't aware that John at AmericaBlog had the kind of clout you're ascribing to him. Beyond that, I guess I didn't realize that gays were quite so monolithic.
Also, you want the more guttural vowels, the "o"s and the "u"s.
rorschach
Agreed, completely.
Any gay guys like the term "cocksucker" they way it's used?
ÔżÔ
You're not going to get many answers to that "query", most are trying not to be seen.
Personally, I couldn't say the former without giggling, losing the mood, you know? But that may just be me. And I would think of turkeys. Gobbling. Not conducive. Just sayin'....
Sarah Deere, Shrill One | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:35 am | #
I wasn't actually being serious...
Incog makes a very valid point.
I think the way the word is thrown around here is offensive too but mostly it's tacky and juvenile.
It's not the profanity. It's the carelessness with which people throw it around. I wish it wasn't that way but you can't argue with a mob. And I don't think my way is only way to see it either.
I'm going to go start my own blog now and talk about all of you.
Newsflash: They did. Listen to the Old South Quartette's recording of "Watermelon Party" sometime.
Phila, The Gay Blade
Humor Born Of Pain. When were those recordings made? Back in the 20s or something? We gays have been going through this for thousands-of-years now and, no doubt, we still have our sense of humor. But, in all seriousness, enough is enough.
Seriously, go over to John at AmericaBlog and ask him: Do you think describing Mark Foley as a "cocksucker" is offensive?
ÔżÔ | 11.18.06 - 4:34 am | #
I wasn't aware that John at AmericaBlog had the kind of clout you're ascribing to him. Beyond that, I guess I didn't realize that gays were quite so monolithic.
Phila, The Gay Blade | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:35 am | #
AmericaBlog is One. AmericaBlog is Incog.
You will be assimiliated.
(Heh. I said "ass.")
Humor Born Of Pain.
Humor, in other words.
Humor Born Of Pain.
Humor, in other words.
Humor Born Of Pain. When were those recordings made? Back in the 20s or something? We gays have been going through this for thousands-of-years now and, no doubt, we still have our sense of humor.
Oh my fucking god.
The sad thing is, is...
Incog BELIEVES THIS!
Incog BELIEVES THIS!
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:39 am | #
Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.
It has a nice woody sound.
"Penis" is awful...very tinny.
Phila, The Gay Blade
True that, plus you got to use the word "wood".
Penis really is a silly, uncomfortable word - but so is vagina. Too many syllables or something. No poetry, no music. Not at all like lingam and yoni, for example.
And as for this:
What about kissing the snotty end of the fuck-stick?
Deb O'Nair
Geez, yecchhhh.
I always did like "pearl jam", though. Rather lovely.
Okay - going outside not to smoke, back later, maybe you all will still be here. If not - sweet dreams!
I've never been nor heard anyone called a "cocksucker" by another gay man, though I've heard fag used innumerable times, usually in jest. Nothing offends me anymore in a verbal sense, but a nasty look goes a long way...
why hesitate to use evil?
basically because of the way our crosseyed leader has used it over and over.
he and they demonized huge numbers of people with their "evil" "traitor" etc rhetoric. of course they were objectively incorrect when they used it, so now the word is tainted.
the slaughter in iraq is of such magnitude that "evil" can only be a jumping off point in describing it
maybe hell on earth would be a better description.
hades, chaos, evil gone wild, lunatic, extreme xenophobia, mental illness...these words come to mind when thinking about the way the right wing has behaved in iraq.
Can we please move on? PLEASE?
Like, to the word buttfucker, maybe?
I always did like "pearl jam", though. Rather lovely.
The band ruins it for me. Some of the worst shit ever recorded, IMO. But I see your point.
Humor Born Of Pain.
Humor, in other words
No, theres still pain included. Trust me. I live with it 24/7. I occasionally find humor thru the pain.
Sometimes it's just too fucking hard.
No, theres still pain included. Trust me. I live with it 24/7. I occasionally find humor thru the pain.
That was kinda my point.
No, theres still pain included. Trust me. I live with it 24/7. I occasionally find humor thru the pain.
That was kinda my point.
I wasn't aware that John at AmericaBlog had the kind of clout you're ascribing to him. Beyond that, I guess I didn't realize that gays were quite so monolithic.
Phila, The Gay Blade
This is a totally disingenuous comment and I would have always expected betterfrom you. But you're not the only one I've been throughly dissappointed by tonight. What's next? The two of you will criticize my grammar and spealling?
Like, to the word buttfucker, maybe?
phalarope | 11.18.06 - 4:42 am | #
Coprophage!
Yeah, what's up with the two of you, Phila?
That was kinda my point
I've been kinda out of it for a couple days now. Not alot is operational at the moment, spiritually, emotionally, or physically.
I'm rather numb.
maybe hell on earth would be a better description.
i sometimes think about what it must be like to live in iraq these days and simply can't imagine it. i think it is what prevents me from sleeping.
i sometimes think about what it must be like to live in iraq these days and simply can't imagine it. i think it is what prevents me from sleeping.
her eyes | 11.18.06 - 4:46 am | #
You don't have to imagine it.
Well, enough of this mirth and merriment, I gotta get some things done tommorrow...
:::poof!!!
.
This is a totally disingenuous comment .
No, it isn't.
i think it is what prevents me from sleeping
i'm sleeping a little beter since the election.
i'm still wary of people i have known for years who i know voted republican last presidential election. i've developed a slight phobia about touching them, like i will be contaminated or something
i will say this
my creative energy flooded back the day after the election
i feel like at least sanity has been restored
i have had an enormous sense of unreality in the last six years especially regarding the invasion of iraq
people have no clue, i think, and that includes me
tell ya what
i want bill kristol dragged by the ear everyday down to bethesda and made to watch medical procedures on soldiers until he understand what he has done.
I've been kinda out of it for a couple days now. Not alot is operational at the moment, spiritually, emotionally, or physically.
I'm rather numb.
Barndog, Not Trolling | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:46 am | #
Sorry to hear it. Nothing too serious, I hope.
I can relate, possibly. I've been having a really awful couple of months, mentally at least. Utterly scatterbrained and nuts.
Did Incog just call himself a "poof"?
Isn't that offensive to all gay men?
I'm offended, so... to bed!
♥
Yeah, what's up with the two of you, Phila?
rorschach | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 4:45 am | #
We're fed up with reverse discrimination against hetero pukes. It's just not fair, damn it!
i think it is what prevents me from sleeping.
i'm sleeping better since the election. my creative energy also has flooded back, starting the day after the election. i still avoid people i know who voted republican in the last presidential election , though. i'm a little obsessive anyway, and i have a lurking fear of being contaminated by them. as if shaking their hands would leave the blood of innocents on mine.
i want bill kristol dragged by the ear down to bethesda every day and made to watch medical procedures on soldiers until he understands what it is he has done.
I've never been called a poof, either. Incog used that exit on purpose. He does have a sense of humor, though it's submerged.
i want bill kristol dragged by the ear down to bethesda every day and made to watch medical procedures on soldiers until he understands what it is he has done.
Henry Flower | 11.18.06 - 4:56 am | #
I want him to clean bedpans with his tongue.
i want bill kristol dragged by the ear down to bethesda every day and made to watch medical procedures on soldiers until he understands what it is he has done.
Henry Flower | 11.18.06 - 4:56 am | #
I want him to clean bedpans with his tongue, 24/7.
i want bill kristol dragged by the ear down to bethesda every day and made to watch medical procedures on soldiers until he understands what it is he has done.
i want them all to go to iraq, and not the green zone. without the bullet proof vests and helmets, and then come back and tell me how much better the iraqi people have it there.
i'm going to try and go back to sleep, if i can.
nite all.
Goddamn haloscan.
Haloscan is fucking up...I believe I'll turn in.
G'night, you cocksuckers!
i want bill kristol dragged by the ear down to bethesda every day and made to watch medical procedures on soldiers until he understands what it is he has done.
i want them all to visit iraq, all those proponents of the war. and not the green zone either. i want them to live the day to day life the iraqi people lead, without their bullet proof vests and helmets. and then come back and tell me how these people are better off.
now, i'm off to bed, and
fuck you, haloscan.
Republicans who voted for right-wing nut cases like Jon Kyl by a large margin last week offend me.
Bombs going off in people's yards in Baghdad offend me.
$10 Trillion in debt offends me. People who would kill you rather than pay the bills (taxes) offend me. The entire attitude makes me puke. Worse, the tax cuts for most were trivial. TRIVIAL. What a lie this country has swallowed.
Republicans who voted for right-wing nut cases like Jon Kyl by a large margin last week offend me.
Bombs going off in people's yards in Baghdad offend me.
$10 Trillion in debt offends me. People who would kill you rather than pay the bills (taxes) offend me. The entire attitude makes me puke. Worse, the tax cuts for most were trivial. TRIVIAL. What a lie this country has swallowed.
Pitchforks & Torches | 11.18.06 - 5:00 am | #
You said "swallowed."
That offends me, as a queer man.
I want him to clean bedpans with his tongue, 24/7.
i'd rather see him instructed intellectually than visecrally.
i'm not sure he understands "visecral" at all at this point. we both aim at the same thing - making him experience his humanity so that he never again uses his influence to advocate for harm and death to other human beings. i propose using his open channel- his abstract mind- to hammer the lesson hoeme i want him to be exposed and exposed and exposed to the suffering he advocated until he primally screams.
rorschach, you're not as queer as I am. Kinsey 6 here.
Why?
Republicans who voted for right-wing nut cases like Jon Kyl by a large margin last week offend me.
I mean, after all we've been through, how could people still think of this kind of pol to be a standard-bearer?
He's an enabler of the highest order.
rorschach, you're not as queer as I am. Kinsey 6 here.
Pitchforks & Torches | 11.18.06 - 5:05 am | #
I was just kidding around, but Kinsey measures what he called "homosexuality," it does not measure "queerness."
I mean, after all we've been through, how could people still think of this kind of pol to be a standard-bearer?
Because they haven't gotten the message that they live in an alternative reality that's been overwhelmingly rejected by the mentally normal majority, yet.
That seems more appropriate for my current mental state.
we both aim at the same thing
The urinal cakes? Humph. I guess that's the only commonality gay and staight men have anymore. You could say that about Dems and Repukes, too.
The urinal cakes?
no,
knowing that you're only human, and not a god with the power to determine other people's lives.
hope you're not god, btw.
I'm not God. Ray Charles is-- but don't ever try to explain that to Mr.Shoelimpy, he's too perfect to be joked around with.
Morning peeps.
Old man really does speak for me every time he posts "Gloat, gloat, gloat."
With w's approval down to 32% I've noticed a new freedom in the air. People no longer whisper when bashing him.
Mr.Shoelimpy, he's too perfect to be joked around with
well, you know what shoelimpy is cordially invited to do.
Bush went to Vietnam and boasted about how we would have won if we had not quit. This was, he said, the lesson for Iraq of the Vietnam War. He managed to be wrong about two wars at once and to anger both his hosts (how churlish!) and the Iraqi public. The American Right never admitted that they lost in Vietnam, thus the Rambo movies and, Melani McCallister argues, the US admiration for Entebbe. Iraq was their chance, they thought, to get it right. Bush had also said insulting things to the Philiippines about how wonderful it was thst we had colonized them (and killed 400,000). (juan cole)
In the words of Ann Richards, "[bush] can't help it... he was born with a silver foot in his mouth."...apple didn't fall far from the tree...
I wasn't actually being serious...
Phila, The Gay Blade
I'm educated enough to comprehend. I know you weren't. It was just too silly not to respond.
The band ruins it for me. Some of the worst shit ever recorded, IMO. But I see your point.
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Agreed - though I do admire his "pipes". But yes...pearl jam. What a lovely, lovely image.
nighty moonbeams
my sorry old self is off to dreamland
Pitchforks!!!
'night, HF.
"Minority Leader warning off Democrats on judges????"
Thee is nothing more important than keeping our judicial system free of murdering hanging right wing psychotic judges.
Impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors is mandated by the democratic process.
To be intimidated by impeachment is to be intimidated by democracy itself.
Bobby St. Chomsky | 11.18.06 - 3:36 am | #
Last Nights Winner Is None Other Than.....Mr. B! Johnnnnnie! Oh, Johnnie Boy! Give Mr. B a ceegar AND a kewpie doll, and be quick about it.
Robin Cook, former Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs of the United Kingdom and member of the House of Commons representative, claimed that "Al Qaeda", "literally ‘the database' was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians."
This "database" was used with an associated computer network that was operated during the 1980's by the Islamic Bank for Development, which hosted an early form of dial-up Intranet for the Islamic Conference. This network was the main method of orchestrating terrorist acts and co-ordinating the Mujahideen's fight against the Soviets by the CIA.
An alternate theory, presented in the BBC film series "The Power of Nightmares" states that the name and concept of al-Qaeda was FIRST used by the U.S. Department of Justice in January of 2001 at the New York City trial of four men accused of the 1998 United States embassy bombings in East Africa. By alleging Osama bin Laden's leadership of said organization, it became possible to charge bin Laden in absentia with the crime using the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act also known as the RICO statutes.
This from wikkipedia. However, the second "theory" has all the strength of a wet noodle when we consider that the FIRST assault on our WTC was way, way back there in NINETEEN NINETY THREE, and when we consider the picture of none other than DON RUMSFELD shaking hands with Bin Laden, a picture uncannily like the one of DON RUMSFELD shaking hands with Saddam Hussein, yet ANOTHER dictator whom OUR CIA in fact originally ARMED AND SUPPORTED in their ongoing job as henchmen for the multi-national corporations which have during this exact same time period deliberately suppressed the funding, development and implementation of the wide spectrum of clean, safe, sane, sustainable, renewable independent American energy sources which do, in fact, exist in and throughout our entire planet and cosmos.
So, it is none other than OUR very own CIA which has to a very significant degree CAUSED the current world fubar. A conspiracy, by definition, is a systematic effort to remove the very means to uncover collusion itself. In this regard, the hyperpermamilitarycarceralmsmmindcontrolpetrochemi
calnuclearfiatmoneyscamfubarstate is the grandaddy of all conspiracys.
Americans must therefore demand restoration of our Constitution, our Fairness Doctrine, Equal Time, and related provisions, triple-verified hand counted citizen monitored paper ballots, continued oversight and investigations, and Dual Impeachment.
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The headline should read:
"Bush Blames Self for Losing 'Nam"
Blaming quitters for Viet Nam's outcome, and comparing it to Iraq. GWB must have finally come to grips with his unaccounted for absentee service, or lack thereof.
"Did any know that it is OK for Houston Police to trample striking workers?"
Shit! Does anybody remember the Doctor Zhivago movie and the cavalry mowing down the people? Shit!
It is out of hand.
The failure to stop 9-11 was Fitz's fault according to a new book by an ABC 'reporter' named Peter Lance.
The book's cover has Osama, Fitz, and Mueller on it. I think Osama turns to Cleland if you hold the book to the light of Fox TV in Georgia...
Peter Lance= Dick Spear?
Blaming quitters for Viet Nam's outcome, and comparing it to Iraq. GWB must have finally come to grips with his unaccounted for absentee service, or lack thereof.
Mr.Murder |
That would imply some level of self-awareness, which has been noticeably absent for 6 years.
"Americans must therefore demand restoration of our Constitution, our Fairness Doctrine, Equal Time, and related provisions, triple-verified hand counted citizen monitored paper ballots, continued oversight and investigations, and Dual Impeachment."
Truth, you speak truth. These things at the very least.
I hope Webb puts the intellectual bitch slap to Timmeh this week...
It really makes you wonder just what the hell is going on when dear leader can go to Vietnam and say if we had only killed a few more of you gooks, America would have won the war. And this from the deserter in chief.
First- committees against the corruption.
Karl Rove-Katrina, number one investigation, including the freezer of cash so we establish bipartisan accountability. That will hang the albatross around dubya's neck like nothing else.
Then, we get funding with troops off the table as an issue by increasing money and items for ours in service whilst examining contractor fraud and attaching to funds benchmarks and transparency. Plus we expand it past a quarterly total to a half year projection so people get a better idea of cost/per Friedman Unit.
A few websites to assist in this effort imperative to our survival as a nation, as a planet, and as a species are http://www.911truth.org
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com
http://www.mediamatters.com and
http://www.prisonplanet.com
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Establish a penalty tax for contractor fraud that levies cost plus as deterrance.
Impose the same fraud tax on legislators/ executives who let unfunded mandates affect the quality of care and equipment for troops.
morning, all.
Isn't it cute that the cretin in chief finally got to Vietnam - and unlike most visiting merkans has no old memories or comrades to visit. But tries to use the war in V'm to promote his own. Marketing just doesn't work in producing principled gov't, seems.
A really chilling reflection from WaPo:
'The same weaknesses that plague Iraq arguably are present in Congo: too few troops and not enough training or aid to consolidate the new political order. The tragic difference may be that more of Congo's warriors are exhausted or dead -- giving its would-be democrats a little more hope.'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...?
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Funny, had this discussion yesterday with a friend. When the population of Iraq is seriously diminished, peace may break out.
A few websites to assist in this effort imperative to our survival as a nation, as a planet, and as a species are http://www.911truth.org
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com
http://www.mediamatters.com and
http://www.prisonplanet.com
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In other news, today there are 3 years 341 days left of the Lewinsky Equal Time Provision. We pause now to bring you that Public Service Announcement:
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we must be making trools mad...
It really makes you wonder just what the hell is going on when dear leader can go to Vietnam and say if we had only killed a few more of you gooks, America would have won the war. And this from the deserter in chief.
ql in ny
It's regrettable no one asked Bush if he had to do it over, would he have volunteered to go fight in VietNam as did John Kerry?
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We have to sit before a statue of Ho Chi Minh over there or we'll have to sit in front a statue of Ho Chi Minh over here.
John Ashcroft had to flagellate himself when he saw that scuplture uncovered by ol' glory.
Penance.
CNN) -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair provoked a storm Saturday after apparently admitting that the invasion of Iraq by the United States and Britain was "a disaster."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/me...lair/
index.html
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Atrios needs to borrow a page from Cesca's script and tell MoDo to Shut the F*** Up, as she's doing her girly girl routine again.
Anyone else smiling that one of the effects of the elections Nov. 7 is that the dominance of TX is gone? All its seniority went South, literally. Chet Edwards, D-Waco may be a subcomm. chair.
Wanker of the week should go to the Civil Right/Justice Dep't testimony before judiciary.
Leahy, Kennedy laid into that moron on his Civil Rights neglect.
Tony Blair should get a pont for that candor.
Pony Blair?
Way OT...
Just checked - latest Play Station 3 just went on ebay at $1875.
People are strange.
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CNN) -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair provoked a storm Saturday after apparently admitting that the invasion of Iraq by the United States and Britain was "a disaster."
Agent Orange |
yeah, but that was al Jazeera...
The War on Christmas, courtesy of the two grand playstation...
"Abolition of habeas corpus is tantamount to opening the door to the gulag.
No – that isn't quite correct: Doing away with the “Great Writ” is an act that literally creates a legal framework for consigning people to death camps."
Interesting site:
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/
yeah, but that was al Jazeera...
Tom - 大肚腩 |
David Frost (excuse me, Sir David Frost) is STILL around doing interviews?
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Mr. Murder, DoJ has created quite a record of not prosecuting civil rights cases, keeping its career atty's out of cases so that the politicos can give them up.
see Nov. 16 "ungovernment" at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
Tony Blair's not getting to stand alone in admitting to atrocities. So's China!
'CHINA broke its silence yesterday to admit for the first time that the organs of executed prisoners were sold to foreigners for transplant.
For many years it has denied that such a trade existed. But Huang Jiefu, the Deputy Health Minister, acknowledged that the practice is widespread and promised to tighten the rules. '
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
art...1901558,00.html
Can it be that our elections showing people are wise to them be getting some play in decision making? Hoping, hoping, hoping.....
But,.. but,.. the Democrats would never filibuster. Would they?
The Senate's next Republican leader issued a veiled threat Friday to block action on legislation if Democrats refuse to allow confirmation votes on President Bush's troubled judicial nominations.
Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who will become minority leader Jan. 4, told the conservative Federalist Society not to feel bad about the Senate election results because Republicans will hold 49 seats in a body that requires 60 votes to end a filibuster and bring legislation or presidential nominees to a final vote.
Bush ... renominating six judges, four of them vehemently opposed by Democrats. Leahy said the renominations amounted to the White House "taking the bait of right-wing partisan groups."
I thought the lesson of Vietnam was the domino theory was utter bullshit and that no matter how powerful you are imposing your will on another nation for any length of time is damn near impossible - short of shoving a soviet or nazi style dictatorship down their throats -
and since the asshat atrios linked to is discussing history I would like to tell that fucktard that the consequences of bush's murdering idiocy won't be really known or felt for a good 10 - 20 years - doesn't anybody study history anymore?
Atrios needs to borrow a page from Cesca's script and tell MoDo to Shut the F*** Up, as she's doing her girly girl routine again.
Tom Truthful
I'm reading Sara Paretsky's ''Fire Sale" and it occurred to me that she spent years writing the book, working in as many digs to the American Taliban without detracting from the story as she could. It's out in paperback now and probably came out in hardcover a one or two years ago. She did what she could for what she believes in. And what was MoDo doing during this time. Squat. She basically stopped writing political stuff during the worst of it, except to work in digs to Kerry and Gore.
Fuck her.
Can it be that our elections showing people are wise to them be getting some play in decision making? Hoping, hoping, hoping.....
Ruth, revolted |
Well in the case of China, I'm not that hopeful.
Watching new weird goings-on in Dongzhou again... about a year after the security forces shot down protesters.
David Frost (excuse me, Sir David Frost) is STILL around doing interviews?
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Agent Orange |
They broadcast Open University lectures on Sunday morning TV here. Tomorrow morning at 9am is "Presidential Powers: Nixon and Ford Foreign Policy"
I'm expecting to see large segments of Frost's interviews from waaaaaay back.
Bobo claims that Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are making fun of common people.
There must be something wrong with the water in Bobo's World because something ain't right.
Bobo claims that Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are making fun of common people.
As opposed to consistently lying, distorting, bamboozling, hoodwinking and destroying their access to the facts, eh Brooksie?
MoDo has a sharp and witty edge to her writing that she is currently using to eviscerate Bushboy.
Too bad she didn't do it when it was the brave thing to do, like Krugman did.
America abounds in frauds, liars and putz's as evidenced by Beck, Limpballs, Orally and Bobo (to name a few).
The real problem is that these no-talent, mental mediocrity, charlatans are given a national media platform by the corporate scum of the MSM.
"There must be something wrong with the water in Bobo's World because something ain't right."
Ther'e suspicious white powder in it: Coconut Koolaid.
=*=
The real problem is that these no-talent, mental mediocrity, charlatans are given a national media platform by the corporate scum of the MSM.
Rudy |
Strange how BoBo doesn't say any of these talentless hacks are making fun of regular people "Flailing around in my chair waving my arms around and throwing my hillbilly heroin addicted fat ass around in the broadcasting chair."
At 8:00 this morning, NPR started its news summary with these two words:
"President Bush..."
...and since the asshat atrios linked to is discussing history I would like to tell that fucktard....
Hesiod, Atrios, and Attaturk have done more to advance the cause of actual freedom and democracy in the past 5 years than Time and Newsweek combined.
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Not to underestimate the print media, but the biggest problem is the electronic media, especially television with example number 1 being Fox "News".
Morning, rational people.
Good Morning.
Wife's alarm went off.
Today is Saturday.
Divorce is imminent.
Divorce is imminent.
Try to work it out first. I don't know, unplug the alarm on weekends? Or assume she set it for a sex date!
"Or assume she set it for a sex date!"
Actually, I think she set it so she could get the trash can out to the curb in time.
Morning
If you haven't watched the video of the police brutality in the library of an elite college by the low life police types dum butt fascist oinks, click here.
http://ezraklein.typepad.com/
blo..._proud_to_.html
It's 8:15 AM Saturday November 18th 2006; time for the Eschaton/Americablog Consolidated News ServiceWeekend Morning Edition ...Because A Great Nation Deserves The Truth.
=*=
Actually, I think she set it so she could get the trash can out to the curb in time.
Assume! Stop thinking and just assume.
This world needs much more sex, dammit!
Whoa did I miss this yesterday. The Asshole Moose is closing down shop???
Hibernating Moose
For now, the Moose bids adieu to his Mooseketeers.
http://bullmooseblogger.blogspot.com/
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"Actually, I think she set it so she could get the trash can out to the curb in time"
Maybe it is called behavior modification.
This world needs much more sex, dammit!
Snow, Ordinary Thinker - 8:26 am
Verrrry Interesting!
Actually, I think she set it so she could get the trash can out to the curb in time.
Assume! Stop thinking and just assume.
This world needs much more sex, dammit!
Snow, Ordinary Thinker | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 8:26 am | #
I think Snow is correct, besides what municipality does trash pick up on a Saturday?
Ding ding the moose is dead; the wicked moose is dead!
Don't let the door hit ya' where the good Lord split ya'.
Yippee!
[doing snoopy happy dance]
Boehner's from Cincinatti. I'm pulling for Michigan.
Yes, George, another dead soldier.
Morning all.
'Watching new weird goings-on in Dongzhou again... about a year after the security forces shot down protesters.
Tom - 大肚腩 '
It's true that China's regard for the proletariat hasn't shown a great deal of improvement, but that high officials would just out and out admit it, isn't that a step in the right direction? Anyway, hoping, ...
"
This world needs much more sex, dammit!
Snow, Ordinary Thinker "
Remember, we are talking Saturday morning and sleeping late. Sort of sacred you know.
Please tell me they have not put up a Christmas Three in Rockefeller Plaza already. It is not yet Thanksgiving!
"municipality does trash pick up on a Saturday?"
Ours does. Friday would be better.
Then this whole affair would never have happened.
"Yes, George, another dead soldier."
He has to be bored to death given his kind humanitarian leanings.
Remember, we are talking Saturday morning and sleeping late.
Remember, we are talking you have already been awoken.
Lemon - lemonade. All that jazz.
I can't believe we won't have the Bullmoose to kick around anymore.
[small sob]
At 8:00 this morning, NPR started its news summary with these two words:
"President Bush..."
R. McGeddon
Like a scene out of "Groundhog's day". They need an "intervention".
I'd love to see a huge protest outside their studio by the "public" demanding their resignations!!!
Yes, George, another dead soldier.
watertiger
You don't really think he's capable of making the connection and feeling bad about it, do you?
WT, it makes me sick to see the cretin in chief wear his 'military' colors, it's kind of like dressing up to be Mom.
These draftdodgers tho't they could get their way allatime.
'Their view was that as the only superpower the US could pretty much do whatever it pleased. Who would dare challenge us? The answer turned out to be a group of Iraqis who resented being invaded, and by all accounts, they've turned out to be quite successful. Now the US is bogged down in a war that cannot be won militarily.'
http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
Something the parents can't buy, a way out.
Snow
Several of us at the office were all surprised that two days after Halloween, we were seeing Christmas decorations popping on homes.
Interesting site:
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/
Asparagus Pee
While the writing is not as focused as it could be, the guy certainly brings in a lot of interesting stuff.
"Then this whole affair would never have happened."
I suspect you were deliberately targeted by your municipalilty.
Well, I can understand the inclination to be hostile towards this guy, considering who he is, but I must say that most of the suggestions he makes seem reasonable to me. And I don't see that he is promising any ponies, just the possibiltiy of avoiding a total collapse in the wake of our departure. At least he's not mouthing any of that "If the Iraqis aren't willing ot do it for themselves, we can't do it for them" type of reprehensible blame-shifiting. Maybe negotiating with all factions instead of just trying to exterminate the ones we don't like, getting real about engaging Iran and Syria, getting our grubby paws off the oil, and getting our troops off the streets as much as possible won't cause a pony to magically appear, but they may improve matters to some degree. Even if the bottom line is we're getting out, we have to think about how we're getting out.
Well, I can understand the inclination to be hostile towards this guy, considering who he is, but I must say that most of the suggestions he makes seem reasonable to me. And I don't see that he is promising any ponies, just the possibiltiy of avoiding a total collapse in the wake of our departure. At least he's not mouthing any of that "If the Iraqis aren't willing ot do it for themselves, we can't do it for them" type of reprehensible blame-shifiting. Maybe negotiating with all factions instead of just trying to exterminate the ones we don't like, getting real about engaging Iran and Syria, getting our grubby paws off the oil, and getting our troops off the streets as much as possible won't cause a pony to magically appear, but they may improve matters to some degree. Even if the bottom line is we're getting out, we have to think about how we're getting out.
It's true that China's regard for the proletariat hasn't shown a great deal of improvement, but that high officials would just out and out admit it, isn't that a step in the right direction? Anyway, hoping, ...
Ruth, revolted |
I think the CCP recognises the a-historical braindead quality of the Western press that enough time has passed between claims of organ sales by dissident groups (and Falun Gong) being flushed down the memory tubes and now, that none of the dissident groups will gain credibility with the a-historical braindead Western press corpse by admitting they were right all along.
Interesting site:
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/
Asparagus Pee
While the writing is not as focused as it could be, the guy certainly brings in a lot of interesting stuff.
JR, kerosene and a match
I saw your post last night. I agree, it IS an interesting site and worth spending some time reading through.
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Several of us at the office were all surprised that two days after Halloween, we were seeing Christmas decorations popping on homes.
Nooooooooo! If there is a war on Christmas, Christmas is obviously winning.
Maybe Bill O'Really should take on the crass commercialization that cheapens Christmas.
"I suspect you were deliberately targeted by your municipalilty."
Well, it is quite the Red zone here. Small city surrounded by a much bigger one over time.
If you haven't watched the video of the police brutality...
Clockwork Orange | 11.18.06 - 8:25 am
sprocket's response sums up what I tried to tell my friend:
It is rarely, rarely necessary to tazer someone to control their behavior, even a large physically fit person who is violently acting out. I say this as someone who worked nearly a decade in a locked psychiatric hospital that regularly treated active military personel. Properly trained staff can handle these situations with swiftness and efficiency and avoid injuries in almost every situation. It is all about proper training, regular practice and your confidence in yourself as a professional and your confidence in your colleagues.
Posted by: sprocket | Nov 17, 2006 8:45:51 AM
I work in a hospital with a closed psych ward. I'm not aware of any tasering going own. Personnel are trained to 'talk down' a patient and how to restrain a subject, their fist instinct isn't to taser or shoot.
I can't believe we won't have the Bullmoose to kick around anymore.
[small sob]
watertiger |
I can't believe I actually clicked on this guy's site.
[bigger sob]
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as the only superpower the US could pretty much do whatever it pleased. Who would dare challenge us? The answer turned out to be a group of Iraqis
It does raise the question (again, this same question was raised during the Vietnam conflict) on what kind of "superpower" the US really is when a small ragtag bunch of insurgents can cause our military so much trouble?
This time we are having trouble with insurgents who don't have assistance of China or the Soviet Union.
Ding dong the moose is gone; the wicked moose is gone.
[doing snoopy happy dance]
Nooooooooo! If there is a war on Christmas, Christmas is obviously winning.
Maybe Bill O'Really should take on the crass commercialization that cheapens Christmas.
Snow, Ordinary Thinker |
Big Christmas decorations in all of the malls and on a lot of buildings went up on Friday (yesterday).
Still more to come, but there is no Thanksgiving to delay things here.
Good morning - Just finished informing the Chairman of the UCLA History Department not to expect the nice little present they were going to receive - beating the hell out of students, even smart-asses who don't behave properly -- is not the way to encourage alumni donations. You see, it's entirely likely that had that been I, or any one of a number of my old buds from the 60s or 70s, we would have have responded even less politely. If the University has no better memory than it's showing, then I'm afraid I'm not going to encourage any further foolishness.
what kind of "superpower" the US really is when a small ragtag bunch of insurgents can cause our military so much trouble?
Doug |
Why am I hearing the theme from the A-Team playing in my head now???
blerb; interesting watching an 11/12 presentation including several ME 'experts' which was maintaining that the South of Iraq was very stable. That's where yesterday's kidnapping and conflict after that took place.
We are totally ignorant.
Happy Holidays everyone
It does raise the question (again, this same question was raised during the Vietnam conflict) on what kind of "superpower" the US really is when a small ragtag bunch of insurgents can cause our military so much trouble?
Not the same kind as Stalin's Russia or Hitler's Germany is the short answer. Unless you are willing to be that ruthless in your conquest, pacifying an invaded population with significant elements that are armed and fundamentally hostile to you is essentially impossible, no matter how big your economy is. History is rife with such examples, like the country Little Boots is currently visiting in an act of supreme irony.
This time we are having trouble with insurgents who don't have assistance of China or the Soviet Union.
Not to mention that the Chinese are probably close to matching us in many military aspects.
Way to go, Georgy. We once owned ASW. That is at least twice the Chinese have punked you.
Tony Bennett sings tomorrow night in Oklahoma to help celebrate its 100th anniversary of joining the Union, but his heart will be in San Francisco.
Boo Inhofe-Coburn, Yea Pelosi-City Lights.
(Of that dark day in 1907 that made possible the 46th state---overflowing even then with a residue of land-running, claim jumping white trash---Teddy Roosevelt supposedly said, "I'll sign the document for Oklahoma but that doesn't mean I have to go there.")
"If the University has no better memory than it's showing, then I'm afraid I'm not going to encourage any further foolishness."
Thank you sincerely for being a decent caring person.
Dr. Barmpot Shouty-Crackers, good for you. I only hope there are more alumni like you.
'This time we are having trouble with insurgents who don't have assistance of China or the Soviet Union.
Doug'
Shhhhh, next you know, we'll hear the NSA claim they're behind it all and we have to ATTACK.
If the University has no better memory than it's showing, then I'm afraid I'm not going to encourage any further foolishness.
Dr. Barmpot Shouty-Crackers |
Why the hell didn't the cops just lift him up by the 2 conveniently located armpits and carry him out to the sidewalk and let things cool down?
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Fuck Haloscan, I mean really. If anyone's interested, there's an article in the SF Chronicle about a tsunami hitting Crescent City yesterday.
Someone wake up res ipsa and tell her the moose is gone!
Good morning, all.
Just finished informing the Chairman of the UCLA History Department not to expect the nice little present they were going to receive -
I hope it was a lot of money.
This time we are having trouble with insurgents who don't have assistance of China or the Soviet Union.
Doug
But they are getting the assistance from Iran and Syria, which is why talking to those countries might be one way to start cleaning things up so we can leave, which was basically my point in that post.
What blerb said. I didn't see the guy say anything that off the wall. Though I am sick of all of them acting like the best reason to try to make something out of the mess we've created is for our benefit. To date, I've not seen one politician or pundit say anything about what we owe the people of Iraq as a result of the horrors we've visited upon them. AFAIC, that's the one and only reason to stay and try to fix it - so we don't leave them to face the death squads alone. Typical of Americans, the anyalysis so far has focused on - and only on - what's best for us. And while we've lost 3,000 soldiers and poured a lot of money down a rat hole, that's nothing compared to what the Iraqi people have dealt with on a daily basis since we arrived.
That's still no reason to stay, unless we can make it better. But I'd just like to see some guilt on behalf of the war cheerleaders for what they did to those people. I have plenty of it, and I was against this clusterfuck from day one. Then again, I'm a moral person.
What blerb said. I didn't see the guy say anything that off the wall. Though I am sick of all of them acting like the best reason to try to make something out of the mess we've created is for our benefit. To date, I've not seen one politician or pundit say anything about what we owe the people of Iraq as a result of the horrors we've visited upon them. AFAIC, that's the one and only reason to stay and try to fix it - so we don't leave them to face the death squads alone. Typical of Americans, the anyalysis so far has focused on - and only on - what's best for us. And while we've lost 3,000 soldiers and poured a lot of money down a rat hole, that's nothing compared to what the Iraqi people have dealt with on a daily basis since we arrived.
That's still no reason to stay, unless we can make it better. But I'd just like to see some guilt on behalf of the war cheerleaders for what they did to those people. I have plenty of it, and I was against this clusterfuck from day one. Then again, I'm a moral person.
Good morning, all.
Silleigh
Good morning!
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I bet there are some alum who are increasing their contributions because of that tasering.
Granada, about as much of a country that a republican led army can conqueror.
If the country they want to invade is much more of a power than they'll have their wussy asses get handed to them.
"Even if the bottom line is we're getting out, we have to think about how we're getting out."
Fast!
Since there is no way that this administration can or will do the right thing over there, get out fast.
'Happy Holidays everyone
bill'
That's Jolly Saturnalia, if you pleeese.
Someone wake up res ipsa and tell her the moose is gone!
Snow, Ordinary Thinker
I don't even wanna know.
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72 Gs will get you into this baby.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object...LA4MV29.DTL&
o=0
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Very nice - UCLA students tend to produce well-written placards....
Agave, howdy! I intend to sit here and sip coffee for a half-hour and watch everybody else be brilliant.
I don't even wanna know.
The Bullshit Moose has called it quits.
[doing snoopy happy dance]
This world needs much more sex, dammit!
Snow, Ordinary Thinker - 8:26 am
So you're suggesting that if a certain someone put as much energy in to finding his own cocksucker as he does in to being offended, he (and us) might be happier?
We now live in country where torturing and instant obedience is the desirable and justifiable. Ask George.
If the University has no better memory than it's showing, then I'm afraid I'm not going to encourage any further foolishness.
Dr. Barmpot Shouty-Crackers |
Why the hell didn't the cops just lift him up by the 2 conveniently located armpits and carry him out to the sidewalk and let things cool down?
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Agent Orange | 11.18.06 - 8:51 am
Another point I made to my friend. I'd rather they'd picked him up and 'helped' him out the door. There are many things they should have done first, instead of tasering him. Yeah, he was being a jerk, doesn't justify tasering him.
"Even if the bottom line is we're getting out, we have to think about how we're getting out."
Fast!
When the lunar rover was being developed for the Apollo missions one concern was what if the astronauts drove it somewhere and got lost.
The answer - just follow your tire tracks back to the lander.
That'll work in Iraq. Just follow your tracks back home.
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Agave, howdy! I intend to sit here and sip coffee for a half-hour and watch everybody else be brilliant.
Silleigh
I just got up to let the dogs go pee.
Was gonna go back to bed but coffee sounds Good!
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It does raise the question (again, this same question was raised during the Vietnam conflict) on what kind of "superpower" the US really is when a small ragtag bunch of insurgents can cause our military so much trouble?
The same one it's always been, one that thinks that throwing huge amounts of materials at "the enemy" is a tactic AND a strategy.
The Moose is dead? Well, hell, that's good news. Details, please, or a link.
That's Jolly Saturnalia, if you pleeese.
If we take the Santa out of Saturnalia, we get... Urnlia.
70s, we would have have responded even less politely. If the University has no better memory than it's showing, then I'm afraid I'm not going to encourage any further foolishness.
Dr. Barmpot Shouty-Crackers
Dr. Barmpot
It is always when an old friend betrays you.
Well, my friends..it appears the anti-Pelosi revolt has begun...and it will be televised.
I don't think there's a pony in there, but there is quite a bit of pony waste material.
Gah!
We now live in country where torturing and instant obedience is the desirable and justifiable. Ask George.
Clockwork Orange |
Can we look forward to TSA airport agents carrying electric cattle prods for crowd control?
Another point I made to my friend. I'd rather they'd picked him up and 'helped' him out the door. There are many things they should have done first, instead of tasering him. Yeah, he was being a jerk, doesn't justify tasering him.
Supposedly he was already leaving. Escalating things was not the correct answer.
What ever happened to the concept of police being,
officers of the peace?
So you're suggesting that if a certain someone put as much energy in to finding his own cocksucker as he does in to being offended, he (and us) might be happier?
This was a part of a more limited discussion and I am not fully awake. But I will assume you are correctly understanding the theory.
Here comes Urnlia
Here comes Urnlia
Right down Urnlia way...
I got some plain ol' Colombian (coffee) this morning, nothing fancy ::pours agave a mugful:: Line up, people, plenty to go around.
I hafta straighten house and myself in a bit: The Fella gets back this morning from 2 godawful weeks in Houston! (I shall not be here much this weekend, heh heh.)
Thanks for 2006, liberal jeenyus. Let's hear more about Reid and Murtha's *ethics* troubles.
Another point I made to my friend. I'd rather they'd picked him up and 'helped' him out the door. There are many things they should have done first, instead of tasering him. Yeah, he was being a jerk, doesn't justify tasering him.
Buckeye, Blue State
The cop ordering the student to stand up obviously became obsessed with the student's defiance to his request.
Why would a cop repeat an order 30 (or so) times knowing it wasn't working?
I guess he had to show the student who was 'in charge'.
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A spot of heat from the landlord would be appreciated about now.
Hi Silleigh. I'm mostly luring now as well.
Yes, George, another dead soldier.
watertiger
Hmmm. Does anyone find it ironic that the first memorial that Bootsy has apparently seen is from the Viet Nam War?
You can't make this up.
Man, am I a sore loser or what? Excuse me while I cry in my cheerios.
Why would a cop repeat an order 30 (or so) times knowing it wasn't working?
It's a sign of panic.
Maybe Bill O'Really should take on the crass commercialization that cheapens Christmas.
I still think some creative person needs to auction a place in one of Bill O'Rielly Best Buy protest mobs on eBay.
Close to the front!
Be first to scream at a harried shopper!
You might get on Fox!
Mis-spelled dayglo protest sign included!
Bill, that's tantamount to declaring war on Saturnalia.
But it's catchy.
The Bullshit Moose has called it quits.
He's quitting the blog?!!
The Moose is dead?
Not the person who is the Moose of course. That would not be cause for celebration. Just the concept of the Moose.
And I do not care that he declared victory and went away. I am just glad he went away. Link.
'If we take the Santa out of Saturnalia, we get... Urnlia.
Silleigh '
Which only the elves celebrate, once they pick the lock to the workshop.
Happy Weekend, batzies...
they tasered that kid in LA because, primarily, cops cannot let insolence go unpunished.
well, that and he looked like just another rag-head...
cops = pigs: they're the instruments of the mortal power of the State, and they NEVER want you to forget...in fact they dare NOT ever let anyone forget it...
The Moose is dead? Well, hell, that's good news. Details, please, or a link.
Jennifer |
Not literally. But close enough.
http://bullmooseblogger.blogspot.com/
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Bill, that's tantamount to declaring war on Saturnalia.
But it's catchy.
Silleigh
No offense meant
My war is with Christmas decorations
The Moose may re-emerge at any moment in a new venue.
Oh, great.
Hi Silleigh. I'm mostly luring now as well.
If you don't get some heat, you might be luring a cold; might even catch one.
AFAIC, that's the one and only reason to stay and try to fix it - so we don't leave them to face the death squads alone. Typical of Americans, the anyalysis so far has focused on - and only on - what's best for us. And while we've lost 3,000 soldiers and poured a lot of money down a rat hole, that's nothing compared to what the Iraqi people have dealt with on a daily basis since we arrived.
Absolutely. ANd that's sort of a conundrum for me, because it's pretty clear that no amount of harsh reality, including this stinging political defeat, is going to make George Bush adopt the appropriate attitude and do what few things actually can be done. That leaves people who are genuinely concerned about how to minimize the further destruction and loss of innocent life in Iraq with no options but to either endure his counterproductive management of the situation for two more years or just try to pull the plug completely and leave them to their own devices. Neither of those things is going to have a good outcome.
"Yeah, he was being a jerk, doesn't justify tasering him."
I just think that we need to treat people (and other critters) gently. One might be a "jerk" whatever that is but people sometimes act strangely or antisocially because their brains aren't quite working properly. We can see that in all the mentally ill that are warehoused and thrown away in our wonderful prisons all over this country.
"The Moose may re-emerge at any moment in a new venue."
Dancing with the Stars?
It worked for Tucker.
'I'm mostly luring now as well.
ql in ny '
were you offering chocolates? or extra nice coffee?
The Moose may re-emerge at any moment in a new venue.
Get the mallet.
Well, my friends..it appears the anti-Pelosi revolt has begun...and it will be televised.
liberal jeenyus
Yeah, he was being a jerk
I don't think so. He's an American of Persian descent, which many Americans consider Arab, and he's been putting up with profiling his entire life. He's right to be pissed off about it.
All cops are not what you say, wgg.
But the ones in LA sure seem to be an excitable bunch.
televised
Oh, he was being a bit of a jerk, but that isn't in the Criminal Code.
We now live in country where torturing and instant obedience is the desirable and justifiable.
That's more likely to follow us home when we leave than terrorists.
Let's revive the "Red = Commie" canard.
No offense meant
My war is with Christmas decorations
They started awful damn early this year. Not just stores, either. One condo in the next building has a porch festooned with enough lights and frippery to trigger your Transitions lenses at midnight.
We now live in country where torturing and instant obedience is the desirable and justifiable.
I hate to tell you this, but this ain't new.
The Moose may re-emerge at any moment in a new venue.
Sheesh. Focus on the negative why doncha?
[returns to snoopy happy dance]
About $70,000 will get you one of these,
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object...LA4MV29.DTL&
o=0
but only about 17,000 will get you this, nicely equipped.
http://www.suzukisx4.com/
It may not last as long as the 70K beast, but who cares?
Just in time for the New D.C. .... blue poinsettias in Brenham, TX.
Having missed a good bit of the news of late, I am wondering which assignments Mr. Lieberman has landed. Did he get anything that will help out his neocon buddies?
Oh, he was being a bit of a jerk, but that isn't in the Criminal Code.
Right. I hope he sues the pants off of them. But it's too much to ask that these people will learn anything.
the Iraqis may gain by having an end to the crippling sanctions, the spent uranium shelling, the phoney indications of their possessing "weapons of mass destruction" that this country has been assured over and over and over again are trained on the american public, at the same time we scorch and singe their families with white phosphorus (chemical weapons), and continue to make boo boos like slaughtering wedding parties then saying oopsie. President Bush made a joke of it at a lavish dinner party (its on film) as he pretended to look high and low for "weapons of mass destruction". Everyone had a good belly laugh at the expense of Iraqi civil unrest and a total loss of any type of societal continuity in their lives while we figure out what we think is the right thing for their country. This "war" (if you can call an unwarranted unauthorized unsanctioned attack and wholesale slaughter and occupation of another sovereign nation a "war") has been a knee jerk reaction of an administration out of control and in the hands of a severely brain damaged executive administrator who's father has purchased him another "corporation" to try his hand at. The american people have been sold a bill of goods who's manifest reads as a laundry list of lies deceptions and opportunic devices, window dressed as a cocca-mamie "noble cause".
Get the mallet.
JR, kerosene and a match
A Hummer at the right place and time.
(I might still be drunk)
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"I bet there are some alum who are increasing their contributions because of that tasering."
I bet you are right in triplicate.
Well, my friends..it appears the anti-Pelosi revolt has begun...and it will be televised.
liberal jeenyus
You wish. Would it not be temperate to allow the 110th Congress to actually convene before you begin subverting it?
One condo in the next building has a porch festooned with enough lights and frippery to trigger your Transitions lenses at midnight.
Silleigh
We can't even decorate without making it about consumption. It's depressing. Remember wreathes with red bows?
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Marshall Wittman. A set of antlers and a trophy mount on the wall could help this image.
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Lurk...
I've known some people who were cops that are decent folk, but the vast majority of them are power-hungry prejudiced assholes, even the non-white ones. I know this from first-hand experience.
I didn't see those cops asking all those lily white students for their IDs.
Get the mallet.
Whack-A-Bullshit-Moose doesn't roll off the tongue so well, but it's much more rewarding than Whack-A-Mole.
cops = pigs: they're the instruments of the mortal power of the State, and they NEVER want you to forget...in fact they dare NOT ever let anyone forget it...
WoodyG'sGuitar, Rogue Scholar
Woody - seems you and I made this point thirty years ago - evidently the lesson did not stick. As for the LAPD - briefly, under Bill Parker, my respect for the LAPD was high. Subsequently, whilst being photographed as I walked peacefully in demonstrations, having files kept on me, having those files ordered destroyed and then it being discovered years later they never were - well, the LAPD's training methodologies are less than satisfactory.
Why would a cop repeat an order 30 (or so) times knowing it wasn't working?
If there are any law enforcement personnel here, please excuse my generalization, but the short answer is that police forces typically don't attract the brightest individuals, and it's not at all uncommon for people to join up because it offers them power they can't get any other way. Imagine this psychology at work in this situation - you've got cops who probably couldn't get into UCLA, who went into police work to bolster their insecurities...and here they are in a situation where they're being punked by a guy who was able to get in...while lots of other people who were also able to get in look on. So the officer feels like he has something to prove, which is, I'm the dominant one here. I've seen the same thing at work close up once before, when a cop showed up at a friend's house on Thanksgiving Day to arrest her for a $2 hot check she didn't even know about...since everyone had been drinking and partying all day, naturally we started heckling him, though no one ever made a move to touch him. He responded by making threats, man-handling my friend who was going to get into the car on her own power, and by calling for "backup".
Cops don't handle humiliation well. Many of them went into police work in the first place for reasons of personal ego and self-esteem. Once in, they don't respond well when their "power" is questioned.
[returns to snoopy happy dance]
Keep dancing, but that sanctimonious asshole will be back to blather on.
I'll bet he's being put in charge of Joe Lieberman's blog in anticpation of the McCain-Lieberman campaign.
Would it not be temperate to allow the 110th Congress to actually convene before you begin subverting it?
Keep in mind that you're talking to a fucking baby who is incapable of accepting defeat and moving on like adults do.
"I hate to tell you this, but this ain't new."
But I don't think it has been legal for a long time.
just like he didnt have the cah-who-nahs to say, with some semblence of dignity ... "let's get this Florida voting issue settled and then resume as a single nation" .... he hasnt the presence of mind to say ... I never realized tricking the country into going to war for shits and grins would lead to the realization that saddamn hussein, although not a nice guy was the authority this sovereign nation had until "it" could do better. Bush like a hen in the chicken yard indicated, demonized and began to peck the life out of Iraq and it's people immediately as though it was his heritage and entitlement, payed for then handed down by his dark overlord father and his Nazi racist grandfather. He encouraged others to do the same and didnt feel it was necessary to answer any questions as to his "resolve" to bully anyone and everyone else into saying it was okay to murder well over a hundred and thirty thousand people in a country who had nothing to do with the tragedy in New York for which he was responsible through his neglect of the leadership and protection of our country, protection by the way which he had no trouble swearing to but like his National Guard Service didnt feel the least bit obligated to uphold. He had and has no honor and by virtue of his non-leadership neither do any of us until he's dragged out of the Whitehouse and hopefully jailed.
About $70,000 will get you one of these,
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but only about 17,000 will get you this, nicely equipped.
http://www.suzukisx4.com/
It may not last as long as the 70K beast, but who cares?
Doug
What does an LMA-002 go for these days?
Scott Simon is such a fucking pimp and Dan Schorr is a senile asswipe...
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bill, tinsel slayer
Looks good on you.
I didn't see those cops asking all those lily white students for their IDs.
Because they were not there to check ids. They were called by library staff because someone did not have an id.
ALRIGHT! I wanna see everyone's ID!
(not you white boy)
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I didn't see those cops asking all those lily white students for their IDs.
Moe Szyslak
White people can't be terrists. The IRA disbanded, remember?
President Bush made a joke of it at a lavish dinner party (its on film) as he pretended to look high and low for "weapons of mass destruction".
That and the fact that he was elected or close enough to being elected that diebolding the difference was possible, does make it hard to believe that the US in no manner is a good enough country to bear the responsibility of being the worlds cop.
"The Bullshit Moose has called it quits.
[doing snoopy happy dance]
Snow, Ordinary Thinker "
wha? sounds too good to be true. probably going off to work for mccain.
The student has already retained Steve Yagman to file his suit. Yagman is a pretty famous character in SoCal, very flamboyant, prone to making outrageous comments to shake people up, and, truth be told, a successful lawyer when it comes to taking on the police in cases such as this.
Cops don't handle humiliation well. Many of them went into police work in the first place for reasons of personal ego and self-esteem. Once in, they don't respond well when their "power" is questioned.
Jennifer |
Plus it was obviously NOT a potentially life threatening situation to anyone which only helped to make it about self-esteem.
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Sweeping generalizations aside, the motives of people who desire to push other people to be "orderly" surely should be questioned. At the root of such individuals may well be an authoritarian urge. Watch out for it.
I'll bet he's being put in charge of Joe Lieberman's blog in anticpation of the McCain-Lieberman campaign.
Oh damn. I was hoping for more internet exchanges between NTodd and dangerstein.
ALRIGHT! I wanna see everyone's ID!
(not you white boy)
That's it, exactly. If you're going to have an ID policy, put someone at the fucking door and check every last person as they're coming in. Don't arbitrarily check people after they're in, based on some subjective, likely rascist, opinion about who doesn't fit in.
Because they were not there to check ids. They were called by library staff because someone did not have an id.
Snow, Ordinary Thinker
Were's the taser!
This guy is trouble!
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The Moose may re-emerge at any moment in a new venue.
Translation: I've got a job with the RNC.
Count on it.
How many cops were there around this guy? Five? There is no way in hell they needed to taser him in order to give him the bum's rush, even if that's what he deserved for being a jerk about his ID. I used to be a long-haired, bearded hippie freak long ago, and I got hassled by the Kampus Kops constantly. I understand how the guy must have felt.
White people can't be terrists. The IRA disbanded, remember?
General Zod
Are the ETA still white?
The LM002 isn't made any more.
Any that still exist and are in good condition would be expensive to buy and to maintain.
The Lamborghini LM002 is an SUV that was built by the Lamborghini automobile company between 1986 and 1993
The LMA002 was a one off prototype made for auto shows.
"I bet there are some alum who are increasing their contributions because of that tasering."
I bet you are right in triplicate.
Clockwork Orange
Possibly. My intention was to endow a chair in honor of my dissertation advisor John Galbraith. Dr. Galbraith spent forty years at UCLA, more or less, but finished the last fifteen years of his career at UC San Diego, where he had also been the first Chancellor - because UCLA declared that when he was 65 he -had- to retire. Oopsies. UC San Diego will do just fine.
They were called by library staff because someone did not have an id.
Get a rope.
The cell-phone video of the assault is very telling.
Repeatedly 'tasing' someone is needlessly cruel.
Cops don't handle humiliation well. Many of them went into police work in the first place for reasons of personal ego and self-esteem. Once in, they don't respond well when their "power" is questioned.
Jennifer |
Like I've always said.
Anyone who Wants to be a cop, should not be allowed to be one.
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White people can't be terrists. The IRA disbanded, remember?
General Zod - 9:15 am
well, tim mcveigh is dead...and couldn't have gotten into UCLA either...
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I gotta get movin'. Thanks for helping me wake up, loves.
Chimpy: "Goddamn Boner sez ever inch of his body is tanned."
Lumpy: "That's so not true. I know of at least 8 1/2 inches that haven't been touched by the sun."
Tasering an individual because they are resisting is one thing. Tasering an individual repeatedly because they go boneless is abusive and disregards the safety of the individual.
My intention was to endow a chair in honor of my dissertation advisor John Galbraith.
Yowsa. Sounds like it really was a lot of money. I'll bet that got their attention!
My intention was to endow a chair in honor of my dissertation advisor John Galbraith.
Yowsa. Sounds like it really was a lot of money. I'll bet that got their attention!
I gotta get movin'. Thanks for helping me wake up, loves.
Silleigh |
If only Atrios' cats hadn't 'slept in' this morning to wake their master.
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Lumpy: "That's so not true. I know of at least 8 1/2 inches that haven't been touched by the sun."
Chimpy: Mebbe not, but thim tannin' beds sure do a heckuva reach-around.
LA Times series starts today:
They took shelter amid the poison
During the Cold War, uranium mines left contaminated waste scattered around the Navajo Nation. Homes built with it silently pulsed with radiation. People developed cancer. And the U.S. did little to help.
They were called by library staff because someone did not have an id.
And he grumbled about having to leave. I understand the library calling to have him ejected (at the time of the call he was refusing), hence why he was being a bit of a jerk (the late-night ID policy is there to protect students, it is not arbitrary authoritarianism IMHO.)
That does not excuse in any way the behaviour of the cops.
Because they were not there to check ids. They were called by library staff because someone did not have an id.
Snow, Ordinary Thinker
Nope. It is library policy that after 11.pm ID is checked on a 'random basis' to ensure that only students and 'authorised people' are in the library. The Library Staff in question were campus security officers, who are not certified peace officers, but rather UC employees, most often students themselves. The campus security officers apparently called in LAPD at some stage. It was a procedure that was debased from its origins - a 'random check' is never random, the student was doing nothing but obviously studying (it is midterm season at UCLA), and the student was accosted for reasons that are very unclear.
Because they were not there to check ids. They were called by library staff because someone did not have an id.
Snow, Ordinary Thinker
I can hardly believe that is what started this. Isn't even UCLA federally subsidized by that kid's tax money? They wouldn't have done that if her weren't brown and fuzzy probably. Gosh I wonder who has encouraged all the paranoia against brown and fuzzy.
Like I've always said.
Anyone who Wants to be a cop, should not be allowed to be one..
agave 9:20 am
Trud, dat...
in a putative democracy, cops should be drafted from the populace at large, as should the military...
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It was a procedure that was debased from its origins - a 'random check' is never random, the student was doing nothing but obviously studying (it is midterm season at UCLA), and the student was accosted for reasons that are very unclear.
Dr. Barmpot Shouty-Crackers
That's what I've been trying to say, but as usual, you say it better.
It was a procedure that was debased from its origins - a 'random check' is never random, the student was doing nothing but obviously studying (it is midterm season at UCLA), and the student was accosted for reasons that are very unclear.
Dr. Barmpot Shouty-Crackers
UCLA doesn't have its own police force but depends on LAPD???
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off to pick the locks on the workshop so the elves can celebrate their Urnalia.
I'd tell yah but then I'd have tequila
Trud, dat...
in a putative democracy, cops should be drafted from the populace at large, as should the military...
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WoodyG'sGuitar, Rogue Scholar
That is sadly the only solution.
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One more thing: Although the guy was using profanity, one thing is made very clear from the audio, he has been in the US a long time, if not from birth.
and the student was accosted for reasons that are very unclear.
Dr. Barmpot Shouty-Crackers
Oh, hell, it could have been on the numbers ("Check every fifth person"). We don't know that he was "targeted". Unless there is evidence of "profiling" I'm not going to make that assumption, at least on the part of the library's ID enforcement arm.
UCLA doesn't have its own police force but depends on LAPD???.
Agent Orange - 9:25 am
i thought the cops were UCLA uni-cops, who probably have cop licenses from the state...they might be LA county sheriffs...imho...
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I am unwilling to accept the use of tasers. For the record, I also hate cattle prods.
Cops don't handle humiliation well. Many of them went into police work in the first place for reasons of personal ego and self-esteem. Once in, they don't respond well when their "power" is questioned.
Homegirl, that's exactly the case. I imagine the situation was exacerbated by the fact that these are campus police (aka - circa 1975 - Campus War Pigs).
These wannabees generally have a bigger chip on their shoulder than regular cops because the former are not regular cops and are really jonesin' to be.
It's my experience that they look for situations like this one so they can use their weapons. Makes 'em feel powerful.
Are the ETA still white?
JR, kerosene and a match
Yes, but usually very well tanned.
This guy has likely been putting up humiliating experiences like this his whole life, a million little humiliations at every turn. So once, he reacts, in what was certainly an inadequate way because it didn't fit into the social norms of the society that regularly humililates him. For this, he is called a jerk.
I guess you can use the same reasoning to say that Paelstinians are jerks for not politely resisting the Israeli occupation.
UCLA doesn't have its own police force but depends on LAPD???
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Agent Orange
I believe there are several different echelons of police-like presence at UCLA. The library 'security' would not be the real campus cops but rather Campus Security Officers. The real campus cops - who very well may be certified peace officers - are part of the "UCPD" and carry guns. They appear to be affiliated in some way with LAPD for mutual assistance of some kind.
I am unwilling to accept the use of tasers. For the record, I also hate cattle prods.
Accept it or not, they are in use worldwide.
Via Roger Ailes (not the fat, bald, repulsive one:
Where will the Bullshit Moose turn up next?
As chair of Ralph Reed's legal defense fund?
A cross-country trip selling McCain/Lieberman '08 t-shirts out of the back of a panel van?
Chairman of the DLC?
My money's on senior editor at The New Republic, where he'll be assigned to spellcheck Marty Peretz's blog.
Rehab's also a possibility; Iraq and Iran are not.
ngggurgh. Books make think. Master say Books BAD. droool nnguurgh. Army Strong mmmgggnn. droool. Army shiny ID. mnnguurgh. ID good. drool. He books ngggurgh. Taser! hehehehe taser fun. drool. He books noid drool. YOU ID? hehehe nngurgh Taser! BLAMMO hahaha nurgghh. mmm hahaha droool.
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they might be LA county sheriffs...imho...
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WoodyG'sGuitar, Rogue Scholar
No, dieu merci. Not county, City. Westwood, not West Hollywood. That line at least is very fixed.
These wannabees generally have a bigger chip on their shoulder than regular cops because the former are not regular cops and are really jonesin' to be.
Oh shit. Campus police are police. They are not rent-a-cops.
I guess you can use the same reasoning to say that Paelstinians are jerks for not politely resisting the Israeli occupation.
yepper.
We don't know that he was "targeted". Unless there is evidence of "profiling" I'm not going to make that assumption...
It's really amazing the lengths people will go to to deny the reality in front of their face.
My money's on senior editor at The New Republic, where he'll be assigned to spellcheck Marty Peretz's blog.
Damn, that's funny. Even this early in the morning, that's funny.
Oh, hell, it could have been on the numbers ("Check every fifth person"). We don't know that he was "targeted". Unless there is evidence of "profiling" I'm not going to make that assumption, at least on the part of the library's ID enforcement arm.
Nor did I. I said it was 'very unclear'.
Hmm. Glyburide. Eyes dry out.
New drapes are up.
Because they were not there to check ids. They were called by library staff because someone did not have an id.
Snow, Ordinary Thinker
however they arrived there, I think that their days of being "Peace Officers" are over. Give some muscle-bound rent-a-cop goons a little "a-thor-i-tay", and this is the result. They have visions of Dirty Harry dancing in their heads.
Why it's now difficult to buy the original Sudafed, cold pill. The law to limit it's sale to only when you sign for it, and in limited amount was an amendment to the Patriot act.
Sorry but Sudafed PE just isn't the same if you've got a bad sinus condition.
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Oh, not again. We had an argument about this last night.
Why would a dog get a coffee filter full of wet grounds out of the trash and spred it all over the carpet?
I think they know I'm too hung over and are fucking with me.
I love 'em! Eddy is getting so big and Dood is not trying to kill the little cat anymore.
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I guess you can use the same reasoning to say that Paelstinians are jerks for not politely resisting the Israeli occupation.
Moe Szyslak
Moe, my only point is that the ID request is not an extraordinary event in this situation, and one that he knew about beforehand (it's posted policy and this guy is fully assimilated). He was being a bit of a jerk for kicking up a (minor) fuss over having to comply with the regulations for library use.
The rest of it was generated by the cops.
Capice?
One more thing: Although the guy was using profanity, one thing is made very clear from the audio, he has been in the US a long time, if not from birth.
plantsman, lowercase
Well, he was born in LA, if that counts any more.
Capice?
JR
Well,, certainly, always. But I'll let it be after suggesting there might be very good reasons for this guy to get pissed. I doubt very much that he's just a random jerk-- his country has been a collective jerk to him, over and over again, is my bet.
Oh shit. Campus police are police. They are not rent-a-cops.
I respectfully disagree. In my experience, they are glorified security guards.
If, in this case they were "real cops", it doesn't surprise me that they reacted as such either.
I'm outtahere.
"I think we need to focus on the actions of the person, not just what you're hearing on the tape as far as the words," University of California Police Department Assistant Chief Jeff Young told ABC News affiliate KABC-TV.
"He had refused to identify himself; he had refused to leave the library, and he also — when he was escorted by the officers at first — he went limp, which is a form of resistance," Young said.
And going limp certainly justifies being tasered 5 or 6 times....
did they think he was there to "steal" some studying. unfortunately we have to come to the realization that today's law enforcement enjoy the opportunity of "trying out" tasers for the thrill of it.
Give some muscle-bound rent-a-cop goons a little "a-thor-i-tay", and this is the result. They have visions of Dirty Harry dancing in their heads.
General Zod
While I'm not "muscle bound" I have been a rent-a-cop. I let my *charming* personality do the heavy lifting, and I never had a dust-up with anyone I was ejecting.
It's all part of the hiring and training process. My boss was ex-military, and he had zero tolerance for "wanna-be"s.
I respectfully disagree. In my experience, they are glorified security guards.
Deserved bolding.
From today's L.A. Times:
UCLA Police Chief Karl Ross said the officers decided to use the Taser to incapacitate Tabatabainejad after he went limp while they were escorting him out and urged other library patrons to join his resistance.
"Going limp" = break out the Tasers!
Several local police agencies — including the LAPD and Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department — allow officers to use Tasers only if a suspect poses a physical threat or is acting combatively.
The sheriff's policies expressly say deputies can't use Tasers simply to move someone.
"We look for assaultive conduct," said Bill McSweeney, chief of the sheriff's leadership and training division "We generally don't use the Taser on passive resisters except when an individual indicates explosive action to follow, such as a verbal threat."
Also, apparently the cops involved were a mix of "community service officers and regular campus police."
It's all part of the hiring and training process. My boss was ex-military, and he had zero tolerance for "wanna-be"s.
JR, kerosene and a match
exactly
Blak - in my fifty years on this orb, I've not had a lot of good experiences with the PO-leece. At any level.
And, being the son of a school principal and authoritarian who would kick the everloving shit out of me if I stepped out of line, I was never an instigator.
I was harrassed and "profiled" as a Satanist by police just for wearing a Judas Priest t-shirt back in the day after being popped for herb(thank you PMRC).
There are good cops and bad cops. Stupid cops and smart cops. Just as in any profession. But they do seem to attract more than their fair share of the stupids. Most of the police I've known are quite sincere in wanting to do the right thing. They just need some help figuring out how to do it.
Lookee! It's OJ!
Yeah, he was being a jerk
I don't think so. He's an American of Persian descent, which many Americans consider Arab, and he's been putting up with profiling his entire life. He's right to be pissed off about it.
Moe Szyslak | 11.18.06 - 9:06 am
From what I've read, and seen, including his own words, he was acting like a jerk. He may have thought he was being profiled, but this librarian's standpoint is that he was acting like a jerk. Which still doesn't mean he should have been tasered. We also don't know that he's put up with profiling all his life. Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't.
JR - "that he knew about beforehand (it's posted policy and this guy is fully assimilated)"
Yes. He's an Angeleno. I do not suggest that your comment is anything other than a misperception - but it is entirely probable that that is exactly the same misperception the student lives with every day.
UCLA has become far more racialist than others of the UC system in the last twenty years - to the degree that this last entering class contained slightly more or slightly fewer than 100 African-Americans. It would not surprise me at all to learn that the students of color are targetted quite often - as 'unusual', where, when I was a student, they were customary. UCLA once had something like the third or fourth highest enrolment of Middle Eastern students in the country - I would doubt that was the case now. It had a very high level of enrolment by students of every kind of ethnicity because that is the way California is. Again, this is no longer the case.
But this particular student is a native Angeleno, the son of first generation Persian immigrants - his parents would be my age, and it is entirely possible that they settled in LA after or during the Revolution - they may have been UCLA students themselves. So yes, I'm sure he's fully assimilated....
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