I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Haw! Thrown out at home, Central!
Sorry. 
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Damn you Jeff!!!
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
Curly's hangin' his Saturday morning shingle over at the blogdiva's day gig, y'know.
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How about a variant of Act Blue?I would put money into a blogger fund.
Well, one that doesn't involve political porn.
Scrutinizer! You tgot that much free time, then get your ass over here and scrutinizer me!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Consider yourself scrutinized!
Scrutinizer! You tgot that much free time, then get your ass over here and scrutinizer me!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
I'm telling Thers.
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Consider helping out your favorite bloggers.
Yeah, right, Atrios.
Consider yourself scrutinized!
Central Scrutinizer
Hrrrmmmppphhhhh.
It'd feel better in person. Or at least over the phone.
Scrutinizer! You tgot that much free time, then get your ass over here and scrutinizer me!
Vicki, Who ? Al Gore
*blushes*
Thanks, Atrios. The local blogging scene is the next big frontier, and that's where the righties hope to swamp us with their money.
None of the guys behind PowerLine have to worry about whether they can afford to get a new car or put their kids through college, or whether their bosses will punish them for blogging (either Deacon or Big Trunk works for TCF Bank, which is run the former chair of the Minnesota Republican Party). But for most of the lefty bloggers, those are very real concerns.
New Orleans bloggers are trying to kick out William "Cold Cash" Jefferson-- but due to his powerful machine, that task is not as easy as one would hope.
Ya know, antiwar.com are doing their quarterly pledge drive and need money, but they continually post depressing stuff like Raimondo's latest:
"The Great Realignment of 2006 lasted a little over a week before it turned into the Great Sellout. It is a perfect illustration of how the War Party controls the leadership of both major parties and maintains its grip on the levers of power. Given near-monopoly status on account of repressive ballot access laws in most states, the parties can thwart the popular will. Given a mandate for peace, the Democratic Party leadership has effectively rejected it and reversed the election results.
Americans voted for peace, and they're going to get more war. That's how our Bizarro democracy works, and all I can say is God bless Bizarro America, land of the duped and home of the cowed."
http://antiwar.com/justin/?
artic...articleid=10025
And Phoenix Woman wins the on topic award.
I don't know of any local bloggers, unfortunately.
I'll use The Google, I guess.
It'd feel better in person. Or at least over the phone.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Aural sex?
Surraureal.
Sorry to cut this flirting off so quickly, but I must bid you adieu.
Taking my daughter out for something to chew on.
*Mwah.
Bonjour les amis!
here's someting cute: Koa Kitty
http://www.dailykitten.com/
i just gave 40$ yesterday to Québec Solidaire, the new provincial leftist party in the province. Will I go to heaven?
*Mwah.
Vicki
Mwah back!
Given a mandate for peace, the Democratic Party leadership has effectively rejected it and rev--
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My blogging takes away from my career in Dinner Theatre.
New Orleans bloggers are trying to kick out William "Cold Cash" Jefferson-- but due to his powerful machine, that task is not as easy as one would hope.
oyster |
...as part of the arrangement with the Congressional Black Congress to help get her elected as Speaker, the bug-eyed idiot (999,957) agreed not to investigate Jefferson..
...MOST.CORRUPT.CONGRESS.EVER
My blogging takes away from my career in Dinner Theatre.
Attaturk
we noticed, tsk tsk tsk
I give to Gilliard about every other time he has a fundraiser. He's doing terrific work.
Here's a nifty little resource for finding local blogs.
http://www.leftyblogs.com/
It is also helpful, and basically free, to add local bloggers to your blogroll. That's just not practical for Atrios and many other popular blogs, but those of us down in the trenches can do this.
*Wink* thanks Phoenix Woman!
Jersey Blue was my place to go to double check what Young Tom Kean Jr was lying about that had made it into the local coverage.
Good stuff. Very helpful.
http://www.hinessight.com
was also good for getting info on state races.
Had I not awakened, I'd still be asleep.
But it takes a long time to not just build up traffic, but reputation.
I hesitate to offer any advice to Atrios, since he seems to have an ornery streak actively resisting any.
But here are two problems with reputation:
The "dumbest trolls on the internet" rarely get banned. I understand there's some technical problem here where banning one troll spills over to affect non-trolls on the same server (or something), but surely that's surmountable
There's too much traffic here for Haloscan, a format which might work well on a lightly trafficked site, but creates a heap of problems on an 800 comment thread at peak hours.
I hope Atrios doesn't ban me as a demonstration of how he's serious about both problems.
Yep, I'm still being a fucking baby who can't do the adult thing and move on.
stemcell juju, what is it about you repukes that you pick on women?
Bad raising? Mama never taught you manners?
Or is it that you have such an inferiority complex concerning your lack of manhood that you have to compensate by being ugly to women?
Try again, namestealer Republican.
HASTERT and BUSH are the ones who thwarted the FBI's investigation, remember?
This is another super easy, soul-satisfying recipe.
Mental Lentils
3 qts Chicken broth
3 nice-sized onions, chopped
3 large carrots, peeled and sliced into 1/4" pieces
2 avg smoked ham hock pieces
1 T Celery seed
4 cups water
bay leaves to taste
6 whole cloves, optional
2lbs lentils, rinsed and sorted thru
freshly ground pepper to taste
Salt to taste after cooking
Pour broth into a heavy-bottomed stock pot.
Add ham hocks, onions, carrots, celery seed, bay leaves and cloves to broth. Bring to full boil.
Add lentils, pepper and water and stir to blend well. Return to boil. Cover and reduce heat to
a low/moderate simmer and cook 1-2 hrs, stirring every 15 minutes or so. When the texture you prefer is achieved, add salt to taste.
Serve warm and garnish with grated parmesan if desired.
Serves a multitude.
G'morning all. What's new?
Thought i have (which may just illo my computer ignorance), but wouldn't it be nice to have a single central web address that had, say, 2 links to good, solid local bloggers in each of the 50 states? (And Puerto Rico, etc).
then these good ones would have some uptick in web trafficing, and the result would be that we could all get a little window into each state around the MSM. i suppose (tho the comparison pains) it would be something like that 'News from Around the Country' page in USA Today.
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This is another super easy, soul-satisfying recipe.
Mental Lentils
3 qts Chicken broth
3 nice-sized onions, chopped
3 large carrots, peeled and sliced into 1/4" pieces
2 avg smoked ham hock pieces
1 T Celery seed
4 cups water
bay leaves to taste
6 whole cloves, optional
2lbs lentils, rinsed and sorted thru
freshly ground pepper to taste
Salt to taste after cooking
Pour broth into a heavy-bottomed stock pot.
Add ham hocks, onions, carrots, celery seed, bay leaves and cloves to broth. Bring to full boil.
Add lentils, pepper and water and stir to blend well. Return to boil. Cover and reduce heat to
a low/moderate simmer and cook 1-2 hrs, stirring every 15 minutes or so. When the texture you prefer is achieved, add salt to taste.
Serve warm and garnish with grated parmesan if desired.
Serves a multitude.
If Bush wasn't being such an obvious imperialist chucklenuts, most of the libertarian douchebags at antiwar.com would be tripping over themselves to be the first to slob his knob. I stopped reading them on a regular basis long ago.
http://www.leftyblogs.com/
Central Scrutinizer
what a great link! How come I didn't know about it before the elections?
It's the Grey Cup this week-end!
what a great link! How come I didn't know about it before the elections?
It's the Grey Cup this week-end!
Plum P
Silly me, I should have shared!
Blue Jersey is a fabulous blog (especially strong on GLBT issues).
Here's a nifty little resource for finding local blogs.
http://www.leftyblogs.com/
Central Scrutinizer | 11.18.06 - 11:21 am | #
Thanks, CS!
It is also helpful, and basically free, to add local bloggers to your blogroll. That's just not practical for Atrios and many other popular blogs, but those of us down in the trenches can do this.
*Wink* thanks Phoenix Woman!
shrimplate | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 11:21 am | #
Heh! You're welcome, though I don't know how many visits you're gotten as a result.
I understand there's some technical problem here where banning one troll spills over to affect non-trolls on the same server (or something), but surely that's surmountable
No, actually it isn't. IP banning at that level is extremely imprecise.
Give to bloggers, not politicans? I like it.
...as part of the arrangement with the Congressional Black Congress to help get her elected as Speaker, the bug-eyed idiot (999,957) agreed not to investigate Jefferson..
...MOST.CORRUPT.CONGRESS.EVER
liberal jeenyus - 11:19 am
Our concern is that if we try to put pressure on Jefferson, he'll just caucus with the Republicans.
Me?, I'm tryin' to bribe traffic to stop by...
I am sooooo impressed that Hecate's blog has has soooooo many hits sooooo quickly...
I understand there's some technical problem here where banning one troll spills over to affect non-trolls on the same server (or something), but surely that's surmountable
No, actually it isn't. IP banning at that level is extremely imprecise.
Ah, so it's like the six month old being banned from boarding the plane because 'their' name is on the Homeland Security watch list?
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If Bush wasn't being such an obvious imperialist chucklenuts, most of the libertarian douchebags at antiwar.com would be tripping over themselves to be the first to slob his knob. I stopped reading them on a regular basis long ago.
BlakNo1 | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 11:24 am | #
Make that "antisemitic racists libertarian douchebags". That's why I've always held them at arm's length -- if on the odd chance one of them finds something useful and factual, I always look for an alternate source for it.
http://www.hinessight.com
jawbone
i check Hines Sight as often as Raw Story now. But who are behind it? There's no info at all on the blog about who produces it.
My political bookmarks. When i open the internets, i do the whole tour until i come back "home" (HERE!)
Eschaton ( in the tool bar, baby!)
AmericaBlog
Huffington Post
Think Progress
Josh's TPM
Raw Story
Hines SIght
Kos
Firedoglake
C & L
etc.
Hey, my cleaning has brought me to the room where the computer lives, but then I realized that I forgot to blogwhore babyblogging this morning!
so it's like the six month old being banned from boarding the plane because 'their' name is on the Homeland Security watch list?
Something like that. Nowadays, hacking software is sophisticated enough so that even a babbling, drolling moe-ron can be a "hacker", or at least enough of one to cause problems.
In Massachusetts, we have several excellent local bloggers. Blue Mass Group is the grandaddy, but we have Left in Lowell and .08 Acres also.
Full disclosure: I met all those bloggers last night at a Victory Party, although I've been reading all their blogs for a yonk's age.
Our concern is that if we try to put pressure on Jefferson, he'll just caucus with the Republicans.
Gimlet
heh. And when he does, instead of finding $90,000 dollars in his fridge, they'll find $9,000,000,000.
I seek an art in this new medium.
but then I realized that I forgot to blogwhore babyblogging this morning!
Molly Ivors
hey you cheater! We need NEW pics, those i saw already yesterday, kapitch?
Here's one in Chicago.
http://www.soapblox.net/chicago/...go/
frontPage.do
BlakNo1 | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 11:24 am | #
I don't agree with your comment. The antiwar.com libertarians have a lot of problems with BushCo beyond imperialism.
Such as:
--ignoring the Bill of Rights
--undermining the separationof powers
--corporate welfare
--faith-based grants amounting to special-interest bribery
--excessive secrecy, defying the FOIA and other laws
--federal power grabs on state/local rights
Those off the top of my head
"antisemitic racist libertarian douchebags".
Yeah, anyone who takes Buchanan that seriously fits the bill. They make pricipled criticism of right-wing Israeli policy damned near impossible.
I'd like to second the suggestion to contribute to antiwar.com.
http://antiwar.com/donate/
I don't agree with all the politics or analyses over there, but, wow, do they do a fantastic job of compiling all the news, international and domestic, re: conflicts. Plus politics.
An invaluable resource, and my third read of the day. There's so much there, you can be kept a long, long time!
Damn, I wish I were effin' rich....
Anyway, I snail mail my minute contritution so that PayPal doesn't glom on to its overly large share of my small amount or the credit card company get its bite.
Now I'm wondering which costs them more: cashing my check or credit card...anyone know?
Now I'm wondering which costs them more: cashing my check or credit card...anyone know?
jawbone
cashing the checks i think
...MOST.CORRUPT.CONGRESS.EVER
The 109th. No Question.
Damn, Plum--you are one busy, busy, busy blog reader/commenter!
I don't agree with your comment. The antiwar.com libertarians have a lot of problems with BushCo beyond imperialism.
Such as:
--ignoring the Bill of Rights
--undermining the separationof powers
--corporate welfare
--faith-based grants amounting to special-interest bribery
--excessive secrecy, defying the FOIA and other laws
--federal power grabs on state/local rights
Those off the top of my head
An this be true, my hat's off to them. The 'libertarians' i have encountered are Republicans/authoritarians/etc. who want an intellectual justification for their emotionally-derived positions.
If these are the rare and elusive 'actual' libertarians, then i want to go look at them, see what they say.
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Ah, so it's like the six month old being banned from boarding the plane because 'their' name is on the Homeland Security watch list?
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Cynicus
Boner: "My name is NOT Johnson."
Where's 4LG? Lion Kitty Maxx needs to have his plushiness shared on the Saturday theme blog.
No strings. You like it or you don't, I can't be helped.
Well, before the election I posted a big rant here about how we all needed to give even more money after the victory, so as to fuel the critical process of wresting back some contol of the media bully pulpit. The idea is to find a way to stop people like Noron from controlling the framing of the public discourse. I now fully intend to do my part, but I'm still pretty unsure about where to send my money. Basically, for me it's currently a choice between the DNC, organizations like the Rockridge Institute and Media Matters, or some aspect of the blogosphere. It's a tall order, and I'm not sure how effective any of these organizations can really be at this, but I do want to find an effective way to contribute to this undertaking. Any well-reasoned thoughts people might have on where the best place to throw down one's cash might be and why would be very welcome.
Whatever, if people enjoy reading the scribblings of Ayn Rand worshippers, that's their problem, not mine.
morning (barely) gang. so i suppose given the subject of the post, my idea to do a sex post over at corrente would be good for business?
I'm not a blogger but I do good stuff.
Send me money.
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morning (barely) gang. so i suppose given the subject of the post, my idea to do a sex post over at corrente would be good for business?
Hell yes.
Damn, Plum--you are one busy, busy, busy blog reader/commenter!
jawbone
no, i have a method! Eschaton is the only blog i post on ( i feel like cheating on my family if i post elsewhere). I read the headlines of each of those blogs and read the links when interested by the topics. But i don't read the threads, YOU lot are my family!
Gene Lyons always needs money, click through my homepage.
Yolanda Denise King memorializing her father on Cspan.
Our father was a king.......
Dear At,
Thank YOU for being a winter soldier and persevering. You have a great perspective and wonderful community built here, even if NTodd is ignored most of the time.
I thank you profusely and will give monkeyfiest free advice here.
morning (barely) gang. so i suppose given the subject of the post, my idea to do a sex post over at corrente would be good for business?
Umm.....where is 'corrente'?
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Hmm. Must add tip jar to new site.
BABY NEEDS A NEW PAIR OF SHOES!
Jack Kemp standing on the stage for the King Memorial.
morning (barely) gang. so i suppose given the subject of the post, my idea to do a sex post over at corrente would be good for business?
never to early for vicarious arousal...
bring it OHN!!!!
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Yep, I'm still being a fucking baby who can't do the adult thing and move on.
liberal jeenyus | 11.18.06 - 11:22 am |
Go back to dedstate.com where you belong.
who's ntodd?
Ten percent of websites are non-sexually-oriented.
Antiwar.com considers the BuchMacht "conservatives" to have lost the true meaning of libertarianism and conservatism.
I see so much more to have in common with Raimondo--even than with some of our Dems. I'm much more skeptical of our Dear Dems than in my youth.
Dear Dems must prove themselves. I get the need to compromise to achieve some good. But I cannot tolerate the sucking up to the wealthy and corporations.
Where I part with Raimondo, et al, is that I believe government, managed well, can do tremendous good fot the people in society who don't have power and money. That government is the only way to balance the power of money and corporations.
So far as i can tell, if you want to make money with the intertubes, the real successes are:
1) Porn
2) Gambling
3) Pawnshops (Ebay, et al)
Any or all of these you can incorporate into your internet efforts, the better the chances of actual earnings.
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I'm a working stiff, but I'd like to do some other stuff that cost a bit.
Send me money.
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Morning all.
Has anything of an irksome nature happened here since last we met?
I'm a working stiff, but I'd like to do some other stuff that cost a bit.
Send me money.
.
who's ntodd?
I was going to note that he's on a plane right now.
thank god he hasn't seen this post.
even if NTodd is ignored most of the time.
NSA
but Ntodd secretly loves it that way, it gives him an excuse to complain!
Now I'm wondering which costs them more: cashing my check or credit card...anyone know?
jawbone
Checks. You can also use debit card. That's usually a small flat fee.
Republican "Christian" concedes via a lecturing email.
An this be true, my hat's off to them. The 'libertarians' i have encountered are Republicans/authoritarians/etc. who want an intellectual justification for their emotionally-derived positions.
If these are the rare and elusive 'actual' libertarians, then i want to go look at them, see what they say.
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Cynicus | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 11:38 am | #
I agree with part of what you say. I left a decades-long relationship with a libertarian mailing list after many members seemingly forgot their philosophy and supported the invasions of afghanistan and iraq.
Still, I think true libertarians still exist, and some of them are an antiwar.com
Kos has embraced the so-called new libertarian democrats. Then again, kos is a site for serious political discussion.
Rethugs have lots of problems, libertarians have their share, and liberals have issues as well, including (imho) a dogmatic politically-correct mindset that prevents any serious discussion about, say, Israel.
OTOH the libertarians I used to know from the mailing lists never had a problem discussion any issue to mind-bloggling levels of pedantic detail, political correctness be damned.
Our concern is that if we try to put pressure on Jefferson, he'll just caucus with the Republicans.
Gimlet
we had an argument about this at corrente. i said that i wasn't so comfortable with the idea of picking on what is essentially a small time crook, and black man, when we all know that plenty of white (republica) pols are busy stealing millions, but doing it "legally" via gifts, junkets, campaign contributions, and other vehicles that only junkies like us bother to keep track of. he's scum, i don't doubt that, but a good focus? not so much. when the dem leadership announces an 'open government' policy and releases all their financial records and passes real reform, i'll be happy. until then, it smacks of 'pick on the little (black) guy.'
I see so much more to have in common with Raimondo--
Fuck Raimondo, he's an anti-semite douchebag.
John Zogby on with Alex Witless talking about current faves for Prez in 2008. Among Democrats, Al Gore stands at 55%, but he was placed down in the list and discounted in favor of Hillary and Obama. Typisch!
ah, that should have been 'mind-boggling'
Not to be harshin' on NTodd, but that no pants thing? David Letterman wasn't wearing pants a good 20 years before NTodd ever thought about going commando.
Libertarian version of MLK's famous speech:
"I have a Trust."
who's ntodd?
Atrios
you are a cruel, cruel overlord.
On top of that, Raimondo despises left-liberals.
Not to be harshin' on NTodd, but that no pants thing? David Letterman wasn't wearing pants a good 20 years before NTodd ever thought about going commando.
Ah, but NTodd was born not wearing pants, so there!
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Raimondo also worships Joe McCarthy.
All of Martin Luther King's children are brilliant speakers.
Libertarians are profoundly silly, dishonest people IMHO.
Essentially, their anarchsts who are to chicknshit to cop to the implications of their bullshit "philosophy."
Definition of a libertarian: Someone who stridently resists any encroachment on personal freedom by the government on the theory that the private sector can oppress you more efficiently.
Sorry if I've offended anybody.
until then, it smacks of 'pick on the little (black) guy.'
chicago dyke - 11:48 am
'clean government' reform is a delusion unless all the records of all the transactions of all the parties are open all the time to everyone.
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And, on top of all that, Raimondo loves Ann Coulter, who he has referred to as being "funny and smart".
Raimondo also worships Joe McCarthy.
BlakNo1
I've never cared much for him either.
Nice castle TomKat rented. Wedding pictures?
I don't care. $500,000 for flowers?
Libertarian Scientologists.
Martin Luther King needs to be declared a Saint by the Pope.
Mush, for lack of a better word than libertarianism.
Martin Luther King's little girl Bernice is a firebrand.
The Dems should elect a shadow president just to piss off the wingnuts.
'clean government' reform is a delusion unless all the records of all the transactions of all the parties are open all the time to everyone.
When i consider all the watch lists i'm on just because of book purchases, i'm damn well ready to know the same about my minders they know about me.
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Definition of a libertarian: Someone who stridently resists any encroachment on personal freedom by the government on the theory that the private sector can oppress you more efficiently.
Sorry if I've offended anybody.
steve simels | 11.18.06 - 11:52 am | #
Definition of a liberal: someone evading their guilt for having failed to form a true liberal/libertarian antiwar alliance that might have had a slightly greater effect in preventing the iraq war. (I admit stopping the war would have been unlikely with anything short of a general strike).
Sorry if I've offended anybody.
I know I'm a few threads too late, but, wow, Jamison Foser is so consistently good.
Steve: a funny little read:
Strange days
Has there ever been a bigger crime against the aesthetics of rock than Jim Morrison's singular brand of vainglorious nonsense?, asks John Harris.
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/
filma...1949235,00.html
The Dems should elect a shadow president just to piss off the wingnuts.
Lime Rickey | 11.18.06 - 11:55 am | #
Dems should have done that in 2000.
I hope the dems form various regional alliances. Make the blue states secession-ready.
Definition of a liberal:
Go jack off to The Fountainhead, shit-for-brains.
Blak et al--It's indeed pretty jarring to see the antiwar.com regulars burst into Rand-worship now and then.
Has anyone ever seen the movie Noi Vivi (We the Living), a Rand-based tale of oppressibe statism produced in 1942? Here's the kicker: produced in Italy under Mussolini (!?!WTF?!)
It's a Raimondo favorite. I've never seen it, but perhaps it has cinematic merits akin to the beautiful, disorienting diving sequence in Riefenstahl's Olympiad. Still, that's one suspicious pedigree
Definition of a liberal: someone evading their guilt for having failed to form a true liberal/libertarian antiwar alliance that might have had a slightly greater effect in preventing the iraq war. (I admit stopping the war would have been unlikely with anything short of a general strike).
Sorry if I've offended anybody.
Mike | 11.18.06 - 11:55 am | #
Translation: I'm a Republican who likes to smoke pot and bang hookers.
'morning, bats!
"Ya know, antiwar.com are doing their quarterly pledge drive and need money, but they continually post depressing stuff like Raimondo's latest"
I don't like that guy, sorry!
Sorry if I've offended anybody.
Mike
No, just boring us.
I hope the dems form various regional alliances. Make the blue states secession-ready.
Har har har. Hope you're ready for the illegal immigration from former neighboring states. As a resident of KY (48th or 49th ranking economically), you may expect to find me squatting in your shed and hanging out at the intersection with a sign saying "Will R.N. for food"
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Rethugs have lots of problems, libertarians have their share, and liberals have issues as well, including (imho) a dogmatic politically-correct mindset that prevents any serious discussion about, say, Israel.
IMO, liberals who can't engage in serious discussion about Israel aren't really liberals. It's a pretty conservative stance to assume that Israel can't be criticized because it is beset by enemies on all sides and therefore must have our unwavering support, regardless of what they do. It is true that Israel is beset by enemies on all sides, but that is at least in part because they actively antagonize those on all sides. They, and everyone else, would be better off if they learned that such actions would result in less support.
But that's not what bugs me about liberals. What bugs me is the granola crunching. I have nothing against granola or hippies or whatever; I'm talking about people who assume this entire mantle of granola-crunching, tree-hugging, Birkenstock-wearing, no-armpit-shaving, poetry-reciting, Dead-following persona. I guess it just strikes me as being poseurish, conformist, and ultimately, unserious. And while I personally know and like a number of people fitting this general profile, I'm tired of it being the "face" of the left, because it's not where serious action or ideas reside - at least not these days. I tend to think of these folks as the Randians of the left - the agenda is just as prescribed and proscribed, though at least it's palatable.
Definition of Libertarian. Someone who would cover up, deny, or never see at all, crime and injustice because of 'property rights.'
as the sweat pours out chore body like the music that you play
Draco, please understand that I've formed this opinion from being a regular antiwar.com reader during the late 90s-early 00s. I don't want to give the impressin that I'm just blowing them off because of a distaste for libertarians. I was a registered lib out of protest until I found out what they were truly about.
Translation: I'm a Republican who likes to smoke pot and bang hookers.
steve simels
Definition of Libertarian. Someone who would cover up, deny, or never see at all, crime and injustice because of 'property rights.'
matt
Repugnican light.
Translation: I'm a Republican who likes to smoke pot and bang hookers.
steve simels | 11.18.06 - 11:59 am | #
I've never been a republican. I'm not even a US citizen. I've been in the US for decades, but never wanted to give up my birthright, which includes retiring in my home country, which has an external debt of, uh, somewhere around zero.
And I've never banged a hooker either.
Ah, dems, so eager to pigeonhole others into easily-dismissable categories.
grapevine told me that justin is a cokehead.
just sayin.
We've had lots of comment discussions here about our policy toward Israel, particulary during the war with Hizbullah and Lebanon, that have not been single-minded. You're talking out yer ass, Mike.
But that's not what bugs me about liberals. What bugs me is the granola crunching
Wow. I don't even know where to begin with this one....
Translation: I'm a Republican who likes to smoke pot and bang hookers.
Aren't they all?
And what utopia, pray tell, do you hail from?
Just got rid of the GuitarPort and Zoom to a local blogger for $60. Nice folx, he and his wife. They're heading over to Costco, as I type.
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Kos has embraced the so-called new libertarian democrats. Then again, kos is a site for serious political discussion.
Please go back there. I'm sure they'll undelete your account.
Definition of Libertarian. Someone who would cover up, deny, or never see at all, crime and injustice because of 'property rights.'
matt
Worse, somebody who is too damned stupid to see that the natural endpoint of totally unregulated capitalism is a tiny monopolistic oligarchy of which they will definitely not be a member. Wankers all, really.
As a resident of KY (48th or 49th ranking economically), you may expect to find me squatting in your shed and hanging out at the intersection with a sign saying "Will R.N. for food"
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Cynicus
Can you windsurf?
Ah, dems, so eager to pigeonhole others into easily-dismissable categories.
Mike
Ah, trolls - so quick to look down their noses at the folks here.
Definition of Libertarian. Someone who would cover up, deny, or never see at all, crime and injustice because of 'property rights.'
matt | 11.18.06 - 12:00 pm | #
Then I was never a true libertarian since the concept of property rights was something I always argued about on the particular libertarian mailing list I was on. I felt that all property originated in coercion, which to me seemed contrary to libertarian principles.
Maybe I was a left-libertarian before left-libertarians were cool.
grapevine told me that justin is a cokehead.
just sayin.
chicago dyke | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:02 pm | #
Well, in that case I hope to christ that he doesn't get back together with Brittney. Poor gal's got enough problems...
I guess it just strikes me as being poseurish,
Try, "I guess it just strikes me as a pose' , wordy one.
Ah, dems, so eager to pigeonhole others into easily-dismissable categories.
Ah, trolls, so easy to be pigeonholed into easily-dismissable categories.
So, should I eat at Cafe Coco, or hit the Crack'Ho Barrel for Mama's French Tongue Breakkie?
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Via antiwar.com--
Judge: Detainee can's speak to attorney
Associated Press
WASHINGTON - A suspected terrorist who spent years in a secret CIA prison is not allowed to speak to a civilian attorney until an appeals court decides what rights military detainees have, a federal judge said Friday.
The Justice Department argues that under a new anti-terrorism law, detainees have no right to challenge their imprisonment in civilian courts. Human rights groups argue that's unconstitutional.
And so it goes under The BushMacht Rules.
Go get'em, Leahy! Rescue habeas corpus! Save the Constitution! Yeah, Leahy!
Oh, and did I mention antiwar.com is fundraising?
so eager to pigeonhole others into easily-dismissable categories.
Unlike yourself who just put all liberals into an "easily-dismissible" category.
Twit.
Ah, dems, so eager to pigeonhole others into easily-dismissable categories.
Mike
Ah, trolls - so quick to look down their noses at the folks here.
Terry C, An American Once Agai | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:05 pm | #
Oh, good one, you got me. Ha ha ha!
what bugs me about liberals. What bugs me is the granola crunching
And yet, here you are, hanging out at a liberal blog. One of us is pretty fucking stupid.
is it okay to bang a hooker if she's your ex-wife and you dont get charged?
Maybe I was a left-libertarian before left-libertarians were cool.
Maybe you're just a fucking dick.
Translation: I'm a Republican who likes to smoke pot and bang hookers.
Aren't they all?
Venturing a guess, maybe the libertarian is the Gooper who wants to be able to openly smoke and bang. The ordinary Republican indulges in pot and hookers, just covers it up and sponsors legislation criminalizing (further) cannabis and prostitution......
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Please go back there. I'm sure they'll undelete your account.
dave™©
(I might still be still drunk)
just asking ô¿ô
I don't even know where to begin with this one....
Huzzah for granola!!
dave™©: Maybe you're just a fucking dick.
I'm the same flavor of dick, I suppose... I have very libertarian tendencies that do not involve tofu.
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Maybe I was a left-libertarian before left-libertarians were cool.
Mike
Whatever!
Muesli leaves me cold, I admit it.
hit the Crack'Ho Barrel for Mama's French Tongue Breakkie?
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Frebch tongue?!?!?
going to take a bath then shop for jeans, later 'bats
Worse, somebody who is too damned stupid to see that the natural endpoint of totally unregulated capitalism is a tiny monopolistic oligarchy of which they will definitely not be a member. Wankers all, really.
blerb | 11.18.06 - 12:04 pm | #
A lesson I hope Milton Friedman is absorbing at this very minute in Hell.
Speaking of granola, anyone remember back in the '70s when "granola belly" was a concern?
You know you're old if you do...
Rand's phallic worship.
Um, why are people giving Jennifer such grief? I could understand if it were a name-stealer, which it isn't.
As a resident of KY (48th or 49th ranking economically), you may expect to find me squatting in your shed and hanging out at the intersection with a sign saying "Will R.N. for food"
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Cynicus
Can you windsurf?
No idea - i've never tried.
Is that important?
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I'm the same flavor of dick, I suppose...
Oh, I doubt that... but I'm not volunteering to find out!
Not that there's anything wrong with it!!!
Hecate - so, if you're not with the pose, you aren't a liberal? If you believe that pose obscures and gets in the way of good basic common sense that happens to be liberal, you aren't a liberal?
Gee, maybe I am confused about where I'm hanging out.
I have very libertarian tendencies that do not involve tofu.
OK. So how does any kind of libertarian system prevent a tiny minority of individuals from controlling everything through the power of the purse in the long run?
Plum P: Frebch tongue?!?!?
Yes, doll -- here I went and paid Comcast ~$200 to settle up and get reinstalled in time for your radio program... and your server let me down! 
No French tongue for Jeffro!
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"Has anyone ever seen the movie Noi Vivi (We the Living), a Rand-based tale of oppressibe statism produced in 1942? Here's the kicker: produced in Italy under Mussolini (!?!WTF?!)"
I saw it. It was badly edited, confusing, imho not very good.
My very brief Randian phase ended a few minutes after finishing Atlas Shrugged.
Some days Jennifer is on, some days, like today, she's silly. No one gives a shit what she doesn't like about Dead-heads.
Gee, maybe I am confused about where I'm hanging out.
Oh, pshaw! No, you're not.
"granola belly" rechew cud
Oh, and did I mention antiwar.com is fundraising?
jawbone | 11.18.06 - 12:05 pm | #
And a big Hi There to you!!!
Martin Luther King's little girl Bernice is a firebrand.
matt
jack:
Have you ever considered getting a life?
I mean, really...
Who's got Gmail account, and wants to hear ~9MB of French Vietnamese jazz guitarist, Nguyên Lê?
Anyone...?
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No French tongue for Jeffro!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
it's down again? Damn. We're in the process of changing server, hopefully it will be back on soon.
BTW, David Blaine to hang from a hook.
Now THAT'S entertainment!
Jennifer, you've admitted a bias against a group of people based on their appearance and eating habits.
No one gives a shit what she doesn't like about Dead-heads.
Pleas read her post again. That's not what she's saying at all. She's talking about poseurs.
I say this as someone who takes a very hard line against hippie-haters.
The antiwar.com libertarians have a lot of problems with BushCo beyond imperialism.
Such as:
--ignoring the Bill of Rights
--undermining the separationof powers
--corporate welfare
--faith-based grants amounting to special-interest bribery
--excessive secrecy, defying the FOIA and other laws
--federal power grabs on state/local rights
Those off the top of my head
Draco, overly friendly
Don't forget "the poor are poor because they want to."
Naw, I'll make soup.
Some days Jennifer is on, some days, like today, she's silly.
Well, not everyone can say the world's smartest and least controversial things every single post. If people are not willing to go out on a limb with their opinions, then this becomes a very boring place very quickly.
plantsman - who gives a shit if you don't give a shit?
People can pretend that the pose doesn't turn off at least some people who philosophically agree with liberalism, but that doesn't make it "silly" to point it out.
OK. So how does any kind of libertarian system prevent a tiny minority of individuals from controlling everything through the power of the purse in the long run?
blerb | 11.18.06 - 12:09 pm | #
If it's any consolation, I don't know either. Then again, I don't see how dems or rethugs would accomplish this either.
What's the quote from Terminator 2? 'It's in your nature to destroy yourselves' or something?
Oh, good one, you got me. Ha ha ha!
Mike
I don't want you.
I'm not sure that anyone else here wants you, either.
BTW, David Blaine to hang from a hook.
Now THAT'S entertainment!
watertiger | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:12 pm | #
Get back to me when that reads "David Blaine to be gutted like a fish."
A lesson I hope Milton Friedman is absorbing at this very minute in Hell.
steve simels
it's very hard not to love you, simels.
Jennifer, you've admitted a bias against a group of people based on their appearance and eating habits.
Read again. I've admitted a bias against unseriousness, in which a pose is the stand-in for seriousness.
OK. So how does any kind of libertarian system prevent a tiny minority of individuals from controlling everything through the power of the purse in the long run?
And that's one of the fundamental issues for any and every political system - the fact that "liberty" and "equality" are opposing variables. To increase one is to decrease the other - and recorded history has shown that both are necessary.
It's one of the reasons that theory stubbornly fails to apply properly in the real world - and why government systems last in proportion to their ability to keep adapting, flexing, maintaining the dynamics between the two to the overall public will of the moment.
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Get back to me when that reads "David Blaine to be gutted like a fish."
steve simels
Thank you!
Would someone please bonk Brad Blakeman on the head with a cast-iron frypan?
However, anyone who is turned off to liberalism because of hippies is just looking for an excuse to be a republican, period.
Absolut Vodka corrupts absolutely.
That's all I'm saying...
Dummies for Libertarianism.
blending idealism and the mechanics of social contribution isnt a perfect science ...there's work to be done and dreams to be dreamed
Then again, I don't see how dems or rethugs would accomplish this either.
Do yourself a favor, Mike. Go to the CIA world factbook site and take a look at the worldwide statistics for quality-of-life indicators (like life expectancy) and distribution-of-wealth indicators (like the GINI index), and try to draw some conclusions about what kind of systems seem to yield the optimal standards of living and the most equitable distribution of wealth. I'll save you some time -- they are democratic socialist systems. Every last one of them.
Maybe I was a left-libertarian before left-libertarians were cool.
Maybe you're just a fucking dick.
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:06 pm | #
Feel the love. FWIW, I don't know anywhere near what I would need to know about you to make such a proclamation. So, you aren't necessarily an asshat.
My point ( and maybe I have one) is that ANY affect
may be perceived as a pose.
Hey everybody! I'm having a 3-way with Ayn Rand & Satan, wish you were here!
Get back to me when that reads "David Blaine to be gutted like a fish."
However, anyone who is turned off to liberalism because of hippies is just looking for an excuse to be a republican, period.
BlakNo1
Bottom line.
BTW --
Saw the new James Bond movie yesterday. It's mostly really terrific.
It's also kind of incredibly gay.
I mean really -- he get's tortured in the nude at one point.
Feel the love. FWIW, I don't know anywhere near what I would need to know about you to make such a proclamation. So, you aren't necessarily an asshat.
trollie is as trollie does.
More faux ideology, please?
It's also kind of incredibly gay.
I mean really -- he get's tortured in the nude at one point.
We don't deserve pr0n?
"Jersey Blue was my place to go to double check what Young Tom Kean Jr was lying about that had made it into the local coverage."
I was worried about that Senate race in my state.
Glad that little shit didn't win.
Saw the new James Bond movie yesterday. It's mostly really terrific.
It's also kind of incredibly gay.
I mean really -- he get's tortured in the nude at one point.
Bond flicks have always been tremendously popular with the Republicans - but that's just pandering to the target audience!
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ChiDy, re: Jefferson (D-LA)--I think the Dems did the right thing in removing him from his committee chair, given the amount of evidence against him.
But what has me rather confused is just why the FBI is taking so damn long with this. I mean, the money was found when? Last year, after or was it before Katrina? There are, iirc, tapes. There's a conviction of an alledged partner in crime. What gives with this long, long, long investigation?
Are they waiting for a Rethug gov. to appoint a Rethug replacement?? Or how does it work in LA?
Jennifer, are you saying this is the "perception" people have of a liberal?
Hey everybody! I'm having a 3-way with Ayn Rand & Satan, wish you were here!
How is it, Miltie? Is Ayn as dry as I imagined?
I hope Daniel Craig is better than Brosnan or Dalton, they were hella lame.
Fuck Glenn Beck and all his works. Looking forward to the James Dobson ad.
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Bond flicks have always been tremendously popular with the Republicans!
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Cynicus
Women as decorative objects.
Sounds about right.
Uh, Steve, is torturing men in the nude a gay thing? Or what? (No, I haven't seen the film, so don't know how it was presented....)
Almost all libertarians and goopers make an unsupportable fetish of property rights.
I always enjoy reading accounts of imperialists encountering natives who have no concept of property, and who laugh at the presumptiveness of anyone who thinks he can "own" something, land especially.
Bunuel got at this fundamental difference in world views in Simon of the Desert. At one point a priest tries to explain to uncomprehending St Simon why theft is wrong. "Well, suppose I were to take your walking stick..." "You want it?" says Simon, handing it to him. "No, no, no!" says the frustrated priest.
These are the people who hold our debt.
China admits taking executed prisoners' organs
Mark Magnier and Alan Zarembo, LA Times Staff Writers
November 18, 2006
BEIJING — After years of denial, China has acknowledged that most of the human organs used in transplants here are taken from executed prisoners and that many of the recipients are foreigners who pay hefty sums to avoid a long wait.
Speaking at a conference of surgeons in the southern city of Guangzhou, Deputy Health Minister Huang Jiefu called for a strict code of conduct and better record-keeping to stem China's thriving illegal organ trade, state media reported.
"Apart from a small portion of traffic victims, most of the organs from cadavers are from executed prisoners," Huang said Tuesday, according to a report Thursday in the English-language China Daily newspaper.
"The current big shortfall of organ donations can't meet demand," Huang said.
The acknowledgment of what had been an open secret online, in local magazines and among people awaiting transplants came about two weeks after China announced it would tighten oversight of capital cases, requiring that death sentences be approved by the country's highest court. Legal experts estimate that will reduce executions by a third.
Though China doesn't disclose the number of annual executions, Amnesty International says at least 1,770 people were put to death in 2005, based on a review of Chinese media reports. Some activists say the annual figure could be as high as 10,000.
The lower estimate represents more than 80% of at least 2,148 that Amnesty International says took place worldwide last year. The United States executed 60 prisoners.
I hope Daniel Craig is better than Brosnan or Dalton, they were hella lame.
Pity those who take the contract to play Bond - there's Sean Connery, and there's "the latest fake". It's pretty thankless.
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Doncha remember the laser beam headed for Sean Connery's package in Goldfinger?
Did someone say Dobson?
http://www.nndb.com/people/013/0.../013/000031917/
One fucked up dude, that one.
One source of Chimpy's confusion about the Israel-Palestine issue.
there's Sean Connery, and there's "the latest fake". It's pretty thankless.
I'll cop to enjoying some of the Roger Moore movies too. After all, he was the one who was originally asked to be Bond.
I'll save you some time -- they are democratic socialist systems. Every last one of them.
blerb | 11.18.06 - 12:18 pm | #
I agree. Democratic socialist systems are great, in fact, I'm planning to retire in one.
Some years ago I corresponded with someone there, and he said, if you want to make real money, stay in the U.S.
Maybe things have changed, but forming business partnerships is very easy in the U.S. compared to at least some of these democratic socialist systems. People here can and do form business after having just met.
*Liberty* has value too.
Uh, Steve, is torturing men in the nude a gay thing? Or what? (No, I haven't seen the film, so don't know how it was presented....)
jawbone | 11.18.06 - 12:23 pm | #
Well, you have to see it. Apart from the ridiculously obvious homo-erotic overtones (the scene is lit like a Tom of Finland poster) the sequence ends with Bond taunting the villain that eveybody is going to think he (the villain) played with his (Bond's) nutsac.
I'm not making this upp.
China admits taking executed prisoners' organs
$100 cash wager that LGF, et al, will be filled with opinions that "we oughta do that here" if this story is noticed.
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Comcast subscribers, Lynch's Dune is on Movies On Demand for free.
So what's up, my peeps?
I don't know anywhere near what I would need to know about you to make such a proclamation.
You, however, have demonstrated all anyone fucking needs to know.
You can start pissing off any fucking time now.
Plum P: it's down again? Damn. We're in the process of changing server, hopefully it will be back on soon.
I couldn't get to it, ten minutes prior to your show, nor 5, 20, 45 minutes after it started. Maybe it was just me!
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I'll cop to enjoying some of the Roger Moore movies too. After all, he was the one who was originally asked to be Bond.
BlakNo1
I always thought Moore played the role with tongue firmly anchored in cheek.
Vicki! Have you blogged about the new jobbie?
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i don't really care for bond movies, but i don't get the hate on for dalton and brosnan. they were pretty, smarmy, and actually british. it's not like any of the movies should be taken seriously.
Warning:
Do NOT use the word "cocksucker" anymore.
If you do, Ô¿Ô will tear you a new asshole.
How's it Vicki. It may be the placebo effect, but I'm
into my second day of Glyburide, and I'm feeling better than yesterday.
Comcast subscribers, Lynch's Dune is on Movies On Demand for free.
plantsman, lowercase | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:27 pm | #
I much prefer the Alan Smithee version.
Seriously.
Have you blogged about the new jobbie?
It's going well, although they're making me actually work for a living.
Which is all good.
*Liberty* has value too.
Mike
Which is why we wanted the Repukes voted out.
Brosnan's Irish.
I'll cop to enjoying some of the Roger Moore movies too. After all, he was the one who was originally asked to be Bond.
I'd heard they wanted Patrick McGoohan, who gave them Connery's name.
The only Moore "Bond" I really like is "Octopussy" - the mostly-George MacDonald Fraser script captures a lot of that "old time" flavor.
And let's not pretend Connery was infallible - "Diamonds Are Forever" is one of the worst Bond movies around, and not just because of the nitwit script...
mer - well, it's certainly a perception promoted by the media. And I still haven't recovered from my participation in the anti-war activities here in 2002 - 2003. There were a lot of really good pragmatic, ethical, and moral reasons to oppose the war. Instead of hearing about them, people who attended antiwar rallies here were treated to scruffy poets and bad folk bands. And most of the people who showed up left pretty quickly, when they figured out that the "rallies" were less about information and action than they were for gaining a captive audience for some shitty poets and bands.
If making this observation makes me a bad person, so be it.
Do NOT use the word "cocksucker" anymore.
If you do, Ô¿Ô will tear you a new asshole.
Big fucking deal. I'll use the word cocksucker when it applies.
i don't get the hate on for dalton and brosnan
I fell asleep in the theater during Licence To Kill(Dalton).
i don't really care for bond movies, but i don't get the hate on for dalton and brosnan. they were pretty, smarmy, and actually british. it's not like any of the movies should be taken seriously.
chicago dyke
Dalton is Welsh, Brosnan Irish.
please dont take my schtick
Free is still free. And most folks think that's what Lynch's Dune is worth. I love Alia at the end.
Comcast subscribers, Lynch's Dune is on Movies On Demand for free.
plantsman, lowercase
Thanks.
Do you know where the frigging 'mote is?
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Well, you have to see it. Apart from the ridiculously obvious homo-erotic overtones (the scene is lit like a Tom of Finland poster) the sequence ends with Bond taunting the villain that eveybody is going to think he (the villain) played with his (Bond's) nutsac.
I'm not making this upp.
To review:
We have beefcake men in the nude
Torture
the reminder afterwards to keep this encounter between men "just between us"
Was Casino Royale held up in production for some hurried rewrites to include themes dear to the GOP?
Seriously.
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I love it when you talk dirty to me
Do you know where the frigging 'mote is?
My eye?
I also fell asleep at a friends house watching Tomorrow Never Dies(Brosnan).
When Michelle Yeough can't keep my attention, you've got problems!
Which is why we wanted the Repukes voted out.
Terry C, American Once Again | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:30 pm | #
Me too!
do again ...please .. ?
I s'pose this is OT by now, but the small blogs should be encouraged to make use of the Paypal monthly subscription feature. Gary Farber over at amygdala uses it, and it's a painless way to spread the love around.
To review:
We have beefcake men in the nude.
Well, I'm sold.
I hope Keith declares Tom Cruise and everyone who attended this grossout on my tv the worst persons in the world.
What despicable people.
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We did our anti-war demonstration at the polls last week.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/
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US army 'seized Iraqi homes'
By Ahmed Janabi
A leading Iraqi lawyer has accused the US army of throwing 211 families, including his, out of their homes.
Rabah al-Alwan, 36, head of the Union of Lawyers in al-Anbar governorate in western Iraq, said that the US army has occupied his family's house and those of with dozens of other families in al-Ramadi, the capital of al-Anbar governorate.
Al-Alwan has accused the US army of seizing the whole neighbourhood of al-Soufiya in the centre of al-Ramadi and using the houses for military purposes.
The press desk of the US army command in Iraq did not respond to repeated requests to comment on the claim made by al-Alwan.
Al-Alwan said: "Ten months ago, the US army seized my house and dozens of houses in the neighbourhood where I live. Residents were not allowed take any of their savings, jewellery, furniture or clothes."
So, is this a new tactic or what? Of course, occupying armies have to have some place to stay.... I can see why they'd want some nice digs.
As long as we are on the subject, commenters need the wage insurance and health benefits they have earned and paid taxes for as well. I was sytematically screwed out of no less than 8 different insurances following a work related injury 5 years ago. Apparently, the corporatocracy my recovery money for other priorities.
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"If making this observation makes me a bad person, so be it."
--Jennifer
Thanks for the response. I guess I identify more with people like Pelosi, Dean, Lamont, etc. as liberals these days.
As for being a bad person, never in my book.
I hope Keith declares Tom Cruise and everyone who attended this grossout on my tv the worst persons in the world.
He has a "restore habeus corpus" Special Comment" coming up Monday.
Instead of hearing about them, people who attended antiwar rallies here were treated to scruffy poets and bad folk bands. And most of the people who showed up left pretty quickly, when they figured out that the "rallies" were less about information and action than they were for gaining a captive audience for some shitty poets and bands.
Jennifer | 11.18.06 - 12:30 pm | #
Yes, exactly. Focus on the core issue would have helped. International ANSWER, in their idiocy, unintentionally supported the war.
I think I deserve a nap.
Later, taters.
Uh, insert needed (eyeroll)
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Wow. I don't even know where to begin with this one....
steve simels
Heehee. I don't think I fit in one of those categories. And in case anyone has been living under a rock, there haven't been hippies in about 30 years. Jeesh.
hi y'all
Drive-by to the Globe's excellent coverage of Eric Keroack, the noisome cankered whoreson nematode of a wingnut appointed to head federal family planning. Choosing Velikovsky to head NASA would be as appropriate. This is the nut of it, but go ahead if you're in the mood; read the whole thing:
Meanwhile yesterday, scientists criticized Keroack's theories about human sexuality. In a 2001 paper prepared for a group called the Abstinence Clearinghouse, Keroack and a colleague said that having sex with multiple partners alters brain chemistry in a way that makes it harder to form relationships later in life.
But the lead author of a 1999 paper in the journal Psychiatry that Keroack cited said he had gone beyond any scientific evidence in making his claims.
"This is complete -- and I say this without any hesitation -- is complete pseudoscience," said Rebecca Turner , a professor at the California School of Professional Psychology at Alliant International University in San Francisco. "He claims that my study shows women will lose their ability to bond. It's just nowhere in my paper that says that."
http://www.boston.com/news/natio...alth_post_pick/
The hippies tried to levitate the Pentagon. The New Majority, turned over the whole Congress.
Big fucking deal. I'll use the word cocksucker when it applies.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Sigh. That was a paltry attempt at humor. Read last night's/this morning's post from HERE on down to understand.
at the risk of getting tarred and feathered, i thought james zogby on msnbc had a good point. he said the kerry "gaffe" wasn't an insult of the troops so much as an insult to people's intelligence, serving to reaffirm rightwing slander of democrats being out of touch elitists.
I hope Keith declares Tom Cruise and everyone who attended this grossout on my tv the worst persons in the world.
What despicable people.
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cs, art is bread
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I think Katie Holmes is out of her mind.
He's a control freak of the worst kind.
Oh, well - it's not like she has a career to lose.
Federal Family Planning? Duggars!
And in case anyone has been living under a rock, there haven't been hippies in about 30 years. Jeesh.
Exactly. There are a lot of people wearing that persona these days, though.
at the risk of getting tarred and feathered, i thought james zogby on msnbc had a good point. he said the kerry "gaffe" wasn't an insult of the troops so much as an insult to people's intelligence, serving to reaffirm rightwing slander of democrats being out of touch elitists.
jello
Shorter wingnut: Kerry uses BIG words. He's too educated!
Cocksucker. You say that like it's a bad thing.
A Scientology Wedding. How sweet.
Well, there certainly are people on the left who are just as holier-than-thou as those on the right. I remember one of those types getting on my case because I actually drove to the grocery store. I'm not sure how he expected me to stroll two toddler males that far and fit $200 worth of groceries in the stroller. Guess I was supposed to put on a 50 pound back pack on top of trying to keep my dudes from escaping into traffic.
gaining a captive audience for some shitty poets and bands.
This I agree with. Fortunately, the anti-war rallies around Boston weren't really like that at all.
Oh, and go to Burlington, VT or any Rainbow/Burning Man gathering and then try to claim that there aren't any hippies around anymore.
Lynch's Dune is on Movies On Demand for free.
Lynch's cut or Smithee's cut (which is actually longer)?
Lynch's "Dune" is always fascinating to me - you rarely get to see a big budget movie from a talented director who is so completely inept with special effects.
Alliant International University
Oh, c'mon.
International ANSWER, in their idi--
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I much prefer the Alan Smithee version.
Seriously.
steve simels | 11.18.06 - 12:29 pm | #
It has problems, but the extra scenes, like Sting with Yueh, the post-assassination attempt meeting, and not to mention restoring the correct chronological order re the attempt and the spice mining visit, make it superior.
otoh they cut some great parts: the baron's doctor drooling over his open sores, the heartplug-pulling kissing scene, the spit on Jessica's face.
Put those back into the Smithee film, restore the original intro narration, and you'd have the best of both versions.
Left wersus right is such a false dichotomy. Yogi sez: "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."
And I'm a Really Bad Person because I don't save my shower water and use it to flush the toilet.
Locals Accuse US of Massacre in Ramadi
by Dahr Jamail with Ali al-Fadhily
RAMADI - U.S. military tank fire killed scores of civilians in Ramadi, capital of Al-Anbar province, late Monday night, according to witnesses and doctors. Anger and frustration were evident at the hospitals and during the funerals in the following days.
Iraqi doctors and witnesses at the scene of the attack said U.S. tanks killed 35 civilians when they shelled several homes in the Al-Dhubat area of the city.
SNIP
"We heard the bombing and we thought it was the usual fighting between resistance fighters and the Americans, but we soon realized it was bombing by large cannons," 60-year-old Haji Jassim explained to IPS at the burial. "We weren't allowed by the Americans to reach the destroyed houses to try to rescue those who were buried, so certainly many of them bled to death."
SNIP
Jassim, speaking with IPS while several other witnesses listened while nodding their heads, said that ambulances did not appear on the scene for hours because "we realized that the Americans did not allow them to move," and that as a result, "there were people buried under the rubble who were bleeding to death while there was still a chance to rescue them."
Winning hearts and minds. Now, where else does this sort of things happen?
Is this an indication that Dear Leader has decided to throw in his lot with the Shia majority and damn the Sunnis?
http://www.antiwar.com/jamail/?
a...articleid=10035
Pardon, but i must be going. Catch you later, perhaps.
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there certainly are people on the left who are just as holier-than-thou as those on the right.
That's why I can't go to anymore of those aforementioned gatherings. For every cool person that I meet, there are always self-righteous luddite dickheads who think they have the right to tell you how to live.
US army 'seized Iraqi homes'
Oh, I already read about that at antiwar.com
International ANSWER, in their idi--
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dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:42 pm | #
Have a good nap. 600k+ dead, they're snoozing too, but unlike you, they won't wake up.
Shorter wingnut: Kerry uses BIG words. He's too educated!
Terry C
not everybody attends college. kerry sent a message of exclusion instead of inclusion.
i know people harp at me for bringing things up, but if we don't analze our mistakes, they'll get repeated.
Terry C, American Once Again -- They are all fucking nuts. The world's in flames and these scientologists and their sycophants are acting like the French court.
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"If making this observation makes me a bad person, so be it."
--Jennifer
Nope, not to me.
Apart from the ridiculously obvious homo-erotic overtones (the scene is lit like a Tom of Finland poster) the sequence ends with Bond taunting the villain that eveybody is going to think he (the villain) played with his (Bond's) nutsac.
The scene as written in the book has its own interesting "overtones"... Fleming dug that torture stuff!
I like the Dune movie for all the Lynchian touches.
Like the scene where Kyle McL is training the new recruits in their spiffy uniforms. Inexplicably among the recruits are two moptop boys together, in perfectly fitting uniforms.
I'm told that the Lolita remake disappoints auteurists looking for Adrian Lyne's typical provocations. "If you were hoping for 9 1/2 Weeks with a 12 year old, forget it."
Actual hippie here, and unshaved too. Spare some change Man? secureshop@usa.com
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plantsman: glad you're feeling better; between you and the docs, you guys work on it, you'll feel better than you have in a long time, in ways you'll only notice in retrospect once they happen. Hang in there.
TerryC: the exception that proves the rule is Diana Rigg's part in 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service', never a mere ornament, though about as easy on the eyes as a woman's entitled to be. Of course, they had to kill her off...
600k+ dead, they're snoozing too...
No, they're organizing protests. You're bitching.
I'll take the organizers over the whiner any day, pal.
Now don't you have a basket of fries to drop?
Shorter wingnut: Kerry uses BIG words. He's too educated!
Terry C
not everybody attends college. kerry sent a message of exclusion instead of inclusion.
i know people harp at me for bringing things up, but if we don't analze our mistakes, they'll get repeated.
jello
I didn't go to college either, but I don't think Kerry or anyone else should have to dumb down to suit the anti-intellectualists in this country.
Just think if Thers, instead of having yet another half dozen children, supported this blog!
Jello's act is pathetic. I can almost smell its breath.
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Say what you will about the ADD that afflicts much of the ANSWER crowd, until Cindy Sheehan came along they were among the only people keeping the antiwar movement alive.
TerryC: the exception that proves the rule is Diana Rigg's part in 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service', never a mere ornament, though about as easy on the eyes as a woman's entitled to be. Of course, they had to kill her off...
ProfWombat
I kind of liked Maud Adams in "Octopussy."
"And I'm a Really Bad Person because I don't save my shower water and use it to flush the toilet."
--ErinPDX
Yes.
Simple answers....
Highlights from Friedman's writings in the WSJ. I like this one, from an op-ed on health care in 1993:
The company town has been revived in one major area: medical care. It is taken for granted that workers should receive their pay partly in kind, in the form of medical care provided by the employer. How come? Why single out medical care? Surely food is no less essential to life than medical care. Why is it not at least as logical for workers to be required to buy their food at the company store as to be required to buy their medical care at the company store?
'Cause if you worked for an airline, you'd have to live on peanuts.
Dr. Barmpot Shouty-Crackers -- Have you checked the POB, today...?
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"And in case anyone has been living under a rock, there haven't been hippies in about 30 years"
When did this come about? I mean, what happened? Did they all resign or was it a purge?
cs, maybe it would have helped if you saw the interview or if i had the quotes. zogby's perspective was one i hadn't considered before.
Kerry's "gaffe" was that he messed up the punch line of a fricken' joke about BushBoy.
Every Kewl Kid knew that, every reader of the news about the thing knew it. But the press chose to go with the RNC/WH/Rove talking points about the lack of a two letter word, "us," to give the Rethugs some payment under The Halperin Rule and to further kick Kerry, whom they had such a good time lying about and gigging during the presidential election.
God, if the Dems don't succeed, I hope the Rethugs throw some of their sorry asses in some black hole jail somewhere.
OOOOps--forgive momentary illiberal nasty thought! But, I can't believe Zogby said that--it feeds into the other MCM/RNC crap about Kerry, the elitism shit. Grrrrrr.
Now, I go to rake leaves. I will smush them into the bags with force and anger!
Now don't you have a basket of fries to drop?
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:46 pm | #
No, sorry, my work is altogether different.
i know people harp at me for bringing things up, but if we don't analze our mistakes, they'll get repeated.
The mistake is "Don't buy right-wing spin."
"Analze" that.
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ErinPDX! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
Didja see my last-night e-mail?
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Terry C, American Once Again -- They are all fucking nuts. The world's in flames and these scientologists and their sycophants are acting like the French court.
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cs, art is bread
I give that "marriage" six months.
You load sixteen tons, and what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt.
...my work is altogether different.
Tongue-bathing Unka Karl? Well, it's a living...
The mistake is "Don't buy right-wing spin."
"Analze" that.
dave™©
I'm tired of the attitude in this country of "smart bad, stupid good."
Actually Kerry's statement about education and Iraq was an intelligence test.
If you didn't grasp it the first time...
Democrats Split About Overhaul for Ethics Rules
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK 12 minutes ago
After railing for months against Congressional corruption under Republican rule, Democrats are divided on how far their proposed ethics overhaul should go.
Let the greed begin. The democrats are a joke and are going to be an unmitigated disaster for the country. I'd advise all Americans to keep both hands on their wallets and strongly consider moving to Canada. This country is sooooo fucked.
I didn't go to college either, but I don't think Kerry or anyone else should have to dumb down to suit the anti-intellectualists in this country.
Terry C
we shouldn't go out of our way either to make the working class feel excluded.
oh well, it's not like kerry was playing against type.
No, I was out arguing with my insurer over whether they have a right to impose their 'judgement' as to whether to allow me access to a legal, unrestricted medication prescribed by a licensed physician. Post office Monday.
Meanwhile, there's this:
Bacon Brownies
2 sticks margarine
1/2 cup cocoa
2 cups sugar
4 eggs
1 1/2 cups flour
4 strips of hickory smoked cinnamon bacon (or your favorite bacon), cooked crispy and finely chopped
Melt the margarine. Add the cocoa to the melted margarine. Separately, in large bowl, cream the sugar and eggs well. Add the flour and mix well. Then add the cocoa mix and chopped bacon and stir well. Bake in a 9x14 inch pan for 30-35 minutes at 350 degrees
I remember one of those {annoying lefty} types getting on my case because I actually drove to the grocery store.--ErinPDX
I'd not make a fuss about the grocery store. But people who drive to the gym? Grrr.
"I'm tired of the attitude in this country of "smart bad, stupid good."
Terry C, American Once Again |"
You will be saying this the hundreds of people who camped out for days to be the first to get a PS3.
Say what you will about the ADD that afflicts much of the ANSWER crowd, until Cindy Sheehan came along they were among the only people keeping the antiwar movement alive.
BlakNo1 | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:46 pm | #
Maybe, but Cindy Sheehan seems to be more effective than the entire ANSWER crowd.
Which social systems allow a single person to be so effective?
The democrats are a joke and are going to be an unm--
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re: using big words etc.
Doctors do this all the time. They talk amongst themselves in a professional vocabulary that allows concision, precision and mutual understanding, and then have to use a quite different language to talk with patients about their issues. It's not easy, and a lot of them can't do it well. As soon as one says, 'Trust me,' or words to that effect, you know you've got a failure to communicate, out of inability, difficulty or even laziness born of a simple lack of taking the need for it seriously enough.
Greetings, again, rational people.
i know people harp at me for bringing things up, but if we don't analze our mistakes, they'll get repeated.
jello
The cry of the northern white-bellied concern troll, while less shrill and piercing than the southern species, carries a plaintive note that hearkens to be noticed by a suitor.
Blak - you're right on that point. I thought they squandered opportunity with the way they conducted a lot of the rallies, but at least they did something, when no one else was. I have to give them credit for that, even though I found them exasperating.
Which oddly circles me back around to my original rant. Why, with all the wide variety of people who oppossed this war that were out there...was this the face we allowed to be painted on the anti-war movement?
"And in case anyone has been living under a rock, there haven't been hippies in about 30 years"
When did this come about? I mean, what happened? Did they all resign or was it a purge?
EkCenTriK | 11.18.06 - 12:48 pm | #
No, they all started writing stuff about how the internet was the next step in human evolution.
In prose indistinguishable from their earlier writings about how psychedelics were the next step in human evolution.
we shouldn't go out of our way either to make the working cl--
Oh, blow it out your ass, Howard...
White House -- Chimpy knows he's popular in Vietnam because people wave at his motorcade.
Dems are trying to bring back peace and prosperity.
Eventually someone will advertise or seek to advertise who pushes everyone's buttons in a major way and at that point, the "I take them all, anything else is an implied endorsement of some" argument won't hack it. It's a tough one, not saying otherwise, but a simplistic approach is going to blow up in your face one day, guaranteed.
Steve Gilliard has basic sympathy for Atrios's position, but stated matter-of-factly that he would not take a racist or pro-life ad. That seems reasonable.
I was on the board of a strike paper in the late 70s where we mobilized the entire left-progressive community behind the strike, including people who weren't inclined to be pro-labor, but we got 'em over, put that coalition together. Then a pro-life group put in a paid insert one day, bloody fetuses, the works, and the strikers thought that was dandy, paid the bills. There was hell to pay. The strikers felt quite self-righteous about the whole thing, they were the ones putting their asses on the line and all, working for nothing putting that fucking paper out every day. Large segments of the coalition were incensed in turn and walked away. The whole thing fell apart among mutual recriminations and bad feeling lasting for decades.
Long story short, this isn't simple and a broad policy can blow up in your face. Better to think this one through.
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The mistake is "Don't buy right-wing spin."
"Analze" that.
dave™
james zogby, right wing spinner, riiiight.
...my work is altogether different.
Tongue-bathing Unka Karl? Well, it's a living...
dave™©
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
there certainly are people on the left who are just as holier-than-thou as those on the right.
Actually, they are worse. They at least have a smidgeon of reality on their side. But they take it to the nth degree.
And really, I grew up in a highly cultured home, dirt poor and in a working class neighborhood. I really, really resented the rich kids dropping out of ivy league schools to live in roach infested apartments on the lower east side and preaching the wonders of brown rice and tofu while I was working as a waitress during the day and attending school at night.
There were very, very few real hippies even back in the sixties.
"In prose indistinguishable from their earlier writings about how psychedelics were the next step in human evolution."
Oh no, bad feeling here. You are about to tell me that they are also the ones who bought the Lexus SUV's and really believe in the conservative cause.
Actually, the real hippies today are Brit rock critics who think rave culture and music are significant.
"I didn't go to college either, but I don't think Kerry or anyone else should have to dumb down to suit the anti-intellectualists in this country.
Terry C"
Exactly. We've got, at best, a few decades to solve basic issues that have not been resolved in thousands of years of human civilization. We need to get a lot smarter, and very quickly, or face mass extinction.
ProfWombat
So you never would say, "Hand me that fucking saw."?
EkCenTrik: are the PS3 campers any crazier than somebody who will, say, buy a mechanical watch costing thousands of dollars that doesn't keep time as well as the cell phone he already owns, rather than feed somebody who hasn't got the spare change for a big Mac? Where to start with the insanity of consumption in this country?
When did this come about? I mean, what happened? Did they all resign or was it a purge?
Most of them were co-opted by the fiat money scam and some became rabid proponents of the shite the rest of us are still protesting. The media deliberately tried to turn our social and moral values into a joke, but the joke is on them, as the results of the last election and the shitstorm that is about to envelop the establishment is actually the direct result of our dirty commy pinko fag hippie persistence over time
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...they all started writing stuff about how the internet was the next step in human evolution.
Actually, some of them skipped the writing and went straight into (first) inventing computers and software, and then making tons of money from it. Some of them do good with the wealth, some of them are scum.
Same old story...
"Where to start with the insanity of consumption in this country?
ProfWombat"
In full agreement.
You will be saying this the hundreds of people who camped out for days to be the first to get a PS3.
EkCenTriK
Don't even get me started on that crew!
...the real hippies today are Brit rock critics who think rave culture and music are significant.
Rock critics? Are they still around???
The true test of a hippie is staying one.
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Which oddly circles me back around to my original rant. Why, with all the wide variety of people who oppossed this war that were out there...was this the face we allowed to be painted on the anti-war movement?
Jennifer | 11.18.06 - 12:52 pm | #
It's dave™©'s fault. He was napping.
I still say the livejournal format is the best comment system going. The only way this haloscan-type system maximizes its efficiency is if it's one continuous thread. I know a Russkie site infested with anarchist poets that's about 6 years long. The scrolling is insane, but as long as you index by date, it's all good.
Liberal bloggers (Netroots™) could consider banding together (kind of like unionizing; that is, if branded as "Unionizing♀♂", that'll tend to scare off the winger trolls) and wheeling & dealing with SixApart.
http://www.sixapart.com/livejournal/
Hey, 2 million active users, 75% of em left-leaning libs, lots of em are 16 years old this year, and would tend to notice a huge new dreadnought in their midst
Oh no, bad feeling here. You are about to tell me that they are also the ones who bought the Lexus SUV's and really believe in the conservative cause.
EkCenTriK | 11.18.06 - 12:54 pm | #
Quite the opposite. In my perhaps too vague way, I was trying to make fun of a certain utopian optimism peculiar to the counter-culture.
Lime Rickey: no, I wouldn't have (I'm retired from practice), but that's because I wasn't an orthopedist. Don't curse much myself, but that reflects habit rather than virtue...
Make that "Many of them". There's actually quite a few left. You might even be one and just don't realize it yet.
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Exactly. We've got, at best, a few decades to solve basic issues that have not been resolved in thousands of years of human civilization. We need to get a lot smarter, and very quickly, or face mass extinction.
Mike
I cannot argue with you THERE!
why was this the face we allowed to be painted on the anti-war movement?
Not having a draft helped with that, unfortunately. Many young people still don't give a shit because it doesn't affect them.
Also, many were happy to bitch and moan about ANSWER but they didn't give a shit about offering an alternative. As such, they ended up being the public face of the antiwar movement.
Kerry's mistake is that he made a verbal error--BushBoy makes many, many, many verbal gaffes. Most are ignored by the MCM, some get covered in a kind of "isn't he cute" kind of way, and some make it to You Tube.
Seldom does he get any political heat for his gaffes. He can say the darnedest things and get away with it, 'cause, ya know, Kids Say the Darnedest Things! (I would put a trademark symbol, but can't do it.)
And BushBoy is just Poppy's Kid, so IOKIYAR.
I think Zogby was overanalyzing.
You will be saying this the hundreds of people who camped out for days to be the first to get a PS3.
Good capitalists, all!
Did anyone actually buy one to keep it?
melior | 11.18.06 - 12:52 pm | #
the uncritical loyalist who thinks clapping louder will made the party better.
besides concern trolls are of the moment. deconstructing this now isnt going to affect anything or demoralize anybody from voting.
when is the time to for critical analysis? never?
Actually, some of them skipped the writing and went straight into (first) inventing computers and software, and then making tons of money from it. Some of them do good with the wealth, some of them are scum.
dave™©
One of them won a Nobel Prize.
Old North Beach beatnik maxim:
The enlightened Bohemian is he whose woman works.
...the real hippies today are Brit rock critics who think rave culture and music are significant.
Rock critics? Are they still around???
dave™©
Like Steven Wells who think the only music that counts is punk?
was this the face we allowed to be painted on the anti-war movement?
Wait a moment. "We" allowed? It seems to me that the media were at least complicit in reinforcing the notion that people opposed to our invasion of Iraq were replicas of the 'dirty hippies' who protested Vietnam.
when is the time to for critical analysis?
When you start offering some instead of bullshit wingnut talking points, be sure to let us know.
Kerry's mistake is that he made a verbal error-
and it was a complicated verbal error.
I think Zogby was overanalyzing.
jawbone
Yes, he was.
Kerry v. Bush = better to TELL a bad joke than to BE one.
plantsman - already noted, in my response to mer.
Kerry didn't make a verbal error. Folks there in the audience knew what he was talking about.
When are people gonna wake up and realize that they're doing to Kerry just as they did to Dean, and for years and years to the Clintons. They hound them, waiting for them to do or say something they can scew and then spread through the media like a virus.
Wake the fuck up.
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meanwhile .... Johnny's in the basement inventing a sure fire release agent for dentures and melted parmesan cheese
Sounds to me as if the eventual Kynch/Smithee fusion for Dune will prove as intractible as editing King Lear.
In the original Lear, Albany assumes his rightful place as King according to succession rules.
But in production, Edgar proved the crowd-pleasing character, so Shakespeare revised the ending. Edgar assumes the throne while Albany, rightful heir, unaccountably looks on in silence
There's no way to reconcile the change
Jennifer, the MCM paints the face. It ignores those it does not want to give air time to. It goes with the image it wants; not the image that's there. It has objectives to achieve in creating impressions among the people.
The blogs and internet have had some impact--and the general good sense that God gave geese has meant the American voter "gets" that they're not getting the real story.
It's the the aging hippies--or younger one--it's the MCM.
Old North Beach beatnik maxim...
Speaking of beatniks...
BTW, when are you coming out here to hang at Caffe Trieste, Steverino? I used to know the exact time every day you could run into Paul Kantner there...
hey ql: good to see you
I'd agree, self-indulgence among the hippie/left, especially as they denounce it in others, isn't pretty; some of them grew out of it. My parents, who were classic old lefties, nevertheless had an apartment in Manhattan in the 1950s which couldn't have been rented to a black man...
when is the time to for critical analysis? never?
jello
In this target-rich environment after The Thumpin', with Rethuglicans in fool panicked retreat, those rushing to reform a circular firing squad shall be shamelessly mocked for cowardice.
Kerry's mistake is that he made a verbal error-
and it was a complicated verbal error.
plantsman, lowercase
No one wants to have a beer with someone who is complicated!
I accept paypal.
Just sayin.
Like Steven Wells who think the only music that counts is punk?
Terry C, American Once Again | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:59 pm | #
Yeah, that makes sense.
cs, art is bread | 11.18.06 - 1:01 pm | #
shorter cs: dem pols are perfect and are above reproach.
mer, you little poop!
Answer was annoying but thank goodness they were there.
OJ's "If I did It" is an awful idea.
the natural endpoint of totally unregulated capitalism is a tiny monopolistic oligarchy of which they will definitely not be a member.
blerb
Excellent. What bothers me about libertarianism is their lack of understanding that highly developed societies have a tight social structure in place that defines what you can & can not do.
Thus, you're not free without a government, you simply have some alternatives as you do when there's an active govt. As power in modern society is ultimately economic power, without govt. we'd be ruled by the economic super upper class. They would define the necessary education levels of the population, environmental issues, health & work safety standards etc.
Greetings, again, rational people.
Diane C. Barking-Mad | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:52 pm | #
Hmmm, I don't think you've read the whole thread
Kerry did not tell a bad joke. It was quite an accurate statement on the intellectual curiosity of the POTUS.
What ql just said. Self-righteous trustafarians who scream about "choosing to be poor" while collecting interest on their trust funds and running back to mommy and daddy when things get too sketchy should be smacked in the mouth.
It's NOT the aging hippies, etc.
he enlightened Bohemian is he whose woman works.
steve simels
Keroak's (sp?) wife wrote a scathing book about that. And it was quite true. My parents were beatniks in the Village til they had four kids. Then mom went out and worked while dad stayed home and painted. Good for him and he created a large body of work, but it sucked for her.
White House -- Chimpy knows he's popular in Vietnam because people wave at his motorcade.
P O'Neill | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:53 pm | #
Maybe they're tossing grenades?!?
I find it telling that the headline on Thursday was "Dems in Disarray" rather than "Repugs Re-Hire White Power Prick for Number Two Slot."
Kerry's mistake is that he made a verbal error-
and it was a complicated verbal error.
plantsman
exquisitely timed. and strangely affirming perfectly widely held republican prejudices.
Fucking Dirty Pinko Commie Fag Hippies
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plantsman: OJ has had many awful ideas, though this may top all but one of them. WGG had a great take on OJ the other night, imagining him as Iago playing Othello in the same skin...
Kerry did not tell a bad joke. It was quite an accurate statement on the intellectual curiosity of the POTUS.
Snow, Ordinary Thinker
Thank you!
Bush IS a moron.
MSNBC has at least been trying for a week to offer a slightly more varied group of pundits, and the statements from Democratic pols have been more upbeat and hopeful than the GOP "all is fear" norm.
I'm enjoying it.
If the MCM hadn't worked so assiudously to fluff BushBoy, where do you think his approval rating would be?
Subzero.
Fucking Dirty Pinko Commie Fag Hippies
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Truth
Oh, I LOVED Three Dog Night in high school.
Recently read Chuck Negron's book "Three Dog Nightmare."
Dude had MAJOR drug problems!
In this target-rich environment after The Thumpin', with Rethuglicans in fool panicked retreat, those rushing to reform a circular firing squad shall be shamelessly mocked for cowardice.
melior
another blind loyalists who doesn't believe in self reflection. like i said, you're suggesting it is never the time for criticism.
Face painting is the media's fault for sure. They ignored our peaceful rallies of 40,000 prior to the war here in Portland. I could barely get through the crowds of little old ladies from the suburbs. None of them made the evening news. We filled 20+ blocks of streets. We were invisible.
When you start offering some instead of bullshit wingnut talking points, be sure to let us know.
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:59 pm | #
dave™©, you're a paragon of respect and rational discourse.
jello: Republicans, and for that matter, people in general, usually look at the world with blinders sufficiently restrictive as to find their prejudices confirmed, in the same manner as the possessor of a dirty mind finding the world a perpetual feast...
shorter cs: dem pols are perfect and are above reproach.
jello | 11.18.06 - 1:02 pm | #
shorter jello: I'm stupid and you can't fix stupid.
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exquisitely timed. and strangely affirming perfectly widely held republican prejudices.
jello
So, everyone should dumb down to make the repukes happy?
exquisitely timed
Just in time for the elections. In which the Democrats lost not one seat. Not. A. Single. One.
[does snoopy happy dance]
And the Bullshit Moose quit!
[continues snoopy happy dance]
Translation: I'm a Republican who likes to smoke pot and bang hookers.
steve simels
Why bring me into this?
Boner: "And to work hard so that we can earn our way back into the majority. And to do that means that we need to fight for a smaller, less-costly and more accountable federal government.
Bwahahaha!
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Oh, I LOVED Three Dog Night in high school.
Me too. The arrangements, perhaps due in part to the complexity of The Mamas and The Papas arrangements, were wonderful!
another blind loyalists who doesn't believe in self reflection. like i said, you're suggesting it is never the time for criticism.
jello
Lighten up.
shorter jello: I'm stupid and you can't fix stupid.
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cs,
what are you? in kindergarten?
My take on the Kerry thing is that for whatever reason, most people don't like him and so are willing to believe every bad thing said about him. However, it didn't really take this time around. In fact, none of their slimy, shit encrusted lies did take. No matter how many turds they flung (flinged?), none stuck.
my take on the ANSWER crowd.
and, i admit i'm very stupid, but isn't the word "british" inclusive of everyone in the empire, welsh, north irish, scot and english? or do i misunderstand that?
Keroak's (sp?) wife wrote a scathing book about that. And it was quite true.
Kerouac.
Speaking of painters, let's not forget the most popular painter of those days, Walter Keane, whose wife did all the work while he schmoozed around and grabbed all the money.
BTW, the "let the old lady work" ethos was also popular during the hippie era, as Tena can attest to...
Old North Beach beatnik maxim:
The enlightened Bohemian is he whose woman works.
steve simels | 11.18.06 - 12:58 pm | #
I once saw a program on the lubavitcher sect of Orthodox Jews and they thought just the same. In an ideal household, the woman earns the money so the man can devote all his time to studying the Torah.
One mopey fellow wasn't so lucky; his underachieving wife had forced him into the diamond wholesaling trade
Kary Mullis, who invented the ubiquitous and extraordinary useful technique of PCR, indisputably deserved the Nobel Prize. Like, among others, Shockley, he fails otherwise to be an exemplary human being...
but isn't the word "british" inclusive of everyone in the empire, welsh, north irish, scot and english? or do i misunderstand that?
You understand it perfectly. And you ain't stupid.
...you're a paragon of respect and rational discourse.
Like I give a shit what you think.
and, i admit i'm very stupid, but isn't the word "british" inclusive of everyone in the empire, welsh, north irish, scot and english? or do i misunderstand that?
chicago dyke | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 1:11 pm | #
Britain includes England, Wales, Scotland. Nothern Ireland is in the UK but not Great Britain.
There's a great Venn diagram on the web somewhere that shows the relationships.
BTW, the "let the old lady work" ethos was also popular during the hippie era, as Tena can attest to...
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 1:12 pm | #
As was "the only position for women in the Movement is prone."
Oh, I LOVED Three Dog Night in high school.
Me too. The arrangements, perhaps due in part to the complexity of The Mamas and The Papas arrangements, were wonderful!
plantsman, lowercase
The record critics would think WE were uncool.
isn't the word "british" inclusive of everyone in the empire, welsh, north irish, scot and english?
Don't ever try suggesting that to anyone Welsh, Scottish or Irish, except maybe some of the Northern Irish who are pretty much Tories anyway.
more accountable federal government.
I have no problem with an accountable government, Boner. I do have a problem with whom you wish to make the government accountable. The government is already accountable to the people. And your corporation friends are not people!
As for smaller and less-costly, let us change that to more efficient and effective; that is a goal I am willing to work with you on.
Like I give a shit what you think.
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 1:13 pm | #
Well, you certainly find the time to make comments on my posts.
So, either you do, or you enjoy wasting everyone's time. Which is it?
and, i admit i'm very stupid, but isn't the word "british" inclusive of everyone in the empire, welsh, north irish, scot and english? or do i misunderstand that?
chicago dyke
You're not stupid.
So, everyone should dumb down to make the repukes happy?
Terry C
that isn't what i'm saying. if somebody frumpy had said the same thing, it wouldn't had the same impact. the problem is kerry. he's such a stereotype, he's a walking caricature.
From Below:
I quit deer hunting here in WA. when I found out they give free hunting licenses to handicapped hunters.
Define handicapped? Paralyzed, loss of one or more limbs, mentally ill,
or BLIND.
Just ain't safe out there fer man 'nor beast, after you add in the beer.
Kerry is frumpy, for a guy.
So, either you do, or you enjoy wasting everyone's time. Which is it?
Mike
Dave isn't wasting anyone's time.
However, it didn't really take this time around.
That's because what Kerry meant was perfectly understandable, even if he did leave out "us." Ultimately, you can only spin something that has a small questionable element in it. If you try to spin something that is perfectly clear, you just look like a lying asshole.
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Kerry is frumpy, for a guy.
plantsman, lowercase
I'll STILL take HIM over Bush ANY day.
Thanks CS, equipment, software, and bandwidth can be expensive and my 600gb anti-war videos have been downloaded over 50,000 times in the past 5 weeks - so I could use the support.
Here is my site.
http://rosecoloredglasses.org
ok, someone explain to me why netflix doesn't offer the complete "LA Law" for rental. i'm pissed.
Speaking of Margaret Keane...
what are you? in kindergarten?
jello
Hmmm. Guess I hit a nerve.
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the problem is kerry. he's such a stereotype, he's a walking caricature.
jello
of what?
Someone who isn't afraid to show that he's educated and that he actually reads?
Dave isn't wasting anyone's time.
Terry C, American Once Again | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 1:15 pm | #
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz
Gotta go, alas.
Looking forward to chatting with you all later this evening...
Kerry v. Bush = better to TELL a bad joke than to BE one.
Terry C, American Once Again| 11.18.06 - 1:00 pm
Good one, Terry.
...you certainly find the time to make comments on my posts.
It's like shooting ducks in a barrel. No time involved.
ARE CONSERVATIVES more charitable? "The book's basic findings are that conservatives who practice religion, live in traditional nuclear families and reject the notion that the government should engage in income redistribution are the most generous Americans, by any measure. Conversely, secular liberals who believe fervently in government entitlement programs give far less to charity. They want everyone's tax dollars to support charitable causes and are reluctant to write checks to those causes, even when governments don't provide them with enough money."
Apparently they're not big on paying the taxes to support those entitlement programs, either.
Nice letter in the Boston Globe today sticks it to Governor Mitt Prettyhair:
November 18, 2006
GOVERNOR ROMNEY, apparently determined to go out with a bang, not a whimper, wants the people to vote on whether gays should be allowed to marry ("Foes of same-sex marriage to rally," City & Region, Nov. 16). Seems we haven't beaten this dead horse enough. I have a counterproposal: Let's let democracy have its day, as Romney asks. How about if we vote on whether Mormons should be allowed to wed? After all, don't all Mormon guys have, like, 50 wives each? I wouldn't know, because I know as little about Mormons as Mitt probably does about gay people .
I'm gay. Have been as long as I can remember, and not because of a domineering mom, childhood molestation, or anything so dramatic. I just am. Maybe nature, maybe nurture, maybe both -- doesn't matter. Mormons, it could be more strongly argued, are so by choice. They may be raised in the church, but once they come of age, they could leave it if they wanted.
Am I trying to trash Mormons ? No, but my point is this: In a pluralistic society, everyone deserves the same freedoms. Everyone. Even Mormons. That includes the right to marry whom one chooses.
JAMIE SIMPSON
Boston
the problem is kerry. he's such a stereotype, he's a walking caricature.
No right-wing talking points here!
There are those who work very hard at turning Kerry into a caricature of himself. Kerry himself is occasionally complicit in their efforts. The price of political participation at Kerry's level is to find one subject to this sort of abuse, and hence to be required to find a strategy for dealing with it. All that said, I think Kerry's a flat-out good man, who some view, uncharitably and innacurately, as entirely responsible for a loss that was far from his sole responsibility.
thank you cs, for adding to the discussion.
he's such a stereotype, he's a walking caricature.
Says who? Why the GOP and and the MSM; that's who. Well, let us all hop on board that bandwagon because I am sure it has some good stops.
The enlightened Bohemian is he whose woman works.
steve simels
Enlightened Bohemian?
Or lazy ass prick?
"the problem is kerry. he's such a stereotype, he's a walking caricature."
--jello
I watched Kerry often during the 04 campaign. I didn't and don't see him as a caricature. I think the media and republicans painted him that way, and it stuck with a lot of people.
Bullwinkle is gone??!!
Strooth!
The great and grand political development of the past year has been the triumph of Independent - Democrat Senator Joe Lieberman. Joe has bravely revived the great tradition of Scoop Jackson that is so critically needed at this time of international challenge and crisis. The Moose is leaving the blogosphere with the deep satisfaction that in a small way he was part of this historic and monumental victory for the vital center.
My jaw nearly hit the floor on that one.
Ungabelievigable...
Whoohoo! Scooter Libby in the news again, new hot legal action.
By JOSH GERSTEIN
Staff Reporter of the Sun
November 17, 2006
A former White House aide, I. Lewis Libby, may have disclosed conclusions from a highly classified government report on Iraq to journalists before the report was declassified by President Bush, federal prosecutors said in a new court filing.
http://www.nysun.com/article/43724
Welcome back, Fitz! Just in time for the holidays.
(Via antiwar.com)
Conversely, secular liberals who believe fervently in government entitlement programs give far less to charity
What bullshit.
http://www.blueoregon.com/
Was up in Oregon recently and read this for a couple days while in town. Local bloggity-blog.
Kerry frumpy? I don't see anything wrong with frumpy, but I also don't see how it applies to Kerry.
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but isn't the word "british" inclusive of everyone in the empire, welsh, north irish, scot and english? or do i misunderstand that?
For what it's worth, Hitchens a few years ago cited some legal precedents to define British as "subject to British law." He seemed sober and was trying to help the Greeks get the looted Elgin Marbles back from the British Museum.
By the way, I like how the British Museum catalogues The Doomsday Book as "Public Document 1"
Snow, Ordinary Thinker, I think I owe you a coke, or would that be a pepsi?
another blind loyalists who doesn't believe in self reflection. like i said, you're suggesting it is never the time for criticism.
jello/Mike
Tawdry and stale marketing of Rove's talking points doesn't count as self-reflection anymore than pimping a cheap dominatrix nightclub act counts as masturbation.
I watched Kerry often during the 04 campaign. I didn't and don't see him as a caricature. I think the media and republicans painted him that way, and it stuck with a lot of people.
mer
They pulled the same shit with Gore.
"The smart kid that everyone in the class hated" bullshit.
I am, however, continueing my efforts to Keep and Arm Bears.
I LOVED Three Dog Night in high school.
You realize they were originally "discovered" by Brian Wilson? He was good friends with Danny Hutton. He recorded a couple of songs with them, one of which the Beach Boys grabbed, wiped the recorded vocals, replaced them with their own, and released it as "Darlin'" - their last "hit" for some time.
Snow, Ordinary Thinker, I think I owe you a coke, or would that be a pepsi?
Don't matter as long as there is rum or vodka in it.
I am kidding. I do not touch pepsi.
Kerry's full of shit. It's an all volunteer military, and those people are queer for education. Naval officers are constantly getting degrees as a means of advancement, enlisted even moreso, rather than dubious membership in grave-robbing fraternities.
My jaw nearly hit the floor on that one.
Ungabelievigable...
Elmer, PHD
Bullwinkle STOOPID to the very end.
wow, who knew acknowledging what everybody knows - that kerry is a offputting stiff who people can't relate to - makes me a rightwing troll!
can't wait for dems to nominate another stiff. or better yet, let's nominate kerry again! that'll show the right!
Shorter trolls: refusing to play our game is a blow to civil discourse!
Look at me!! LOOK AT ME!!!
Kerry's full of shit. It's an all volunteer military, and those people are queer for education. Naval officers are constantly getting degrees as a means of advancement, enlisted even moreso, rather than dubious membership in grave-robbing fraternities.
Tim Finnegan
And the price paid for that education and advancement?
Lincoln would never be nominated, let alone elected, nowadays. Very frumpy looking, long face, moody, told good stories and spoke well, but just not TV material.
can't wait for dems to nominate another stiff. or better yet, let's nominate kerry again! that'll show the right!
jello
Don't recall anyone here saying to nominate John again.
In fact, the sentiment has been the opposite.
mer -- I watched Kerry often during the 04 campaign. I didn't and don't see him as a caricature. I think the media and republicans painted him that way, and it stuck with a lot of people.
This is exactly right. The great disappointment for me was that so many Dems/Progressives bought the framing instead of looking beyond it for themselves.
Kerry has been a nemesis to the right since the anti-war days. They've spent 30-odd years trying to stick him in a shadow box.
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Lincoln would never be nominated, let alone elected, nowadays. Very frumpy looking, long face, moody, told good stories and spoke well, but just not TV material.
jawbone
Exactly.
And the price paid for that education and advancement?
Heavy.
...who knew what everybody knows - that repeating stale, old right-wing talking points - makes me a rightwing troll!
Guess you should have read the job description closer.
BTW, fixed your typos. No charge.
Kerry has been a nemesis to the right since the anti-war days. They've spent 30-odd years trying to stick him in a shadow box.
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cs, art is bread
Oh, please - John O'Neill needs to get a life. He acts like a spurned lover.
THIRTY PLUS YEARS engaging in a vendetta against John Kerry?
Sick sick sick!
And the price paid for that education and advancement?
Heavy.
Tim Finnegan
There ya go!
/donning flame suit/
i think kerry is wooden, and lacks an appreciation of 'regular' people and their culture, humor, perspective, etc. as far as candidates go, i really didn't appreciate being told by "smart" liberals that dean was a loser, and kerry the "obvious choice." kerry also blew it with me when he took carville's advice, and didn't bother to follow thru with counting all the votes. i can't think of a stupider line than "i was for it before i was against it" coming from a supposedly well educated democrat. kerry has always been a dedicated member of the party, but consistantly has failed to finish the job, cf the banking scandals of the mid 80s that he investigated but never was able to make stick, even in the face of overwhelming evidence of BFEE collusion and criminality.
kerry's fine as pols go, but he's not my favorite by a long shot. you may flame me now.
God, someone just posted who believes the MCM crap about Kerry's muffed joke line. Sheesh. That is sooooooo sad, that someone who reads and writes can't get beyond the RNC talking points. So very sad.
But, then, that's the RNC's audience, right?
I watched Kerry often during the 04 campaign
i watched kerry in the lead up to the iowa primaries, during primary season. i watched him literally run away from a out of work verizon worker pleading to him to do something about outsourcing. kerry didn't want to hear it.
Mitt Romney's fervent attempt to enshrine unequal justice into law should be discussed at every opportunity.
jello, elected officials say thousands of things over a month. Invariably, they say something that doesn't come out right. But, for Repubs, its never dwelled on.
Democrats, on the other hand, have their images defined by their occasional poor phrasing. Kerry is just following Dean, Gore, Clinton in MSM treatment. First, its reported endlessly by the RW outlets, ie. Drudge, FOX, MSNBC, CNN, RW talk shows. Then, its picked up by the regular MSM. Next, its part of the conventional wisdom.
wow, who knew acknowledging what everybody knows - that kerry is a offputting stiff who people can't relate to
Funny how they said the same things about Gore. They were both wooden and stiff except when they weren't; in which case they were elitist to the manor born.
Since neither was true about either . . . well, I just prefer to laugh about it because crying is a waste.
It's like shooting ducks in a barrel. No time involved.
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 1:18 pm | #
For the record, here's a collection of Dave's posts in this thread. I count 5 posts that are at least somewhat substantive. (part 2 follows)
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dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 11:18 am | #
Aren't they all?
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:03 pm | #
Please go back there. I'm sure they'll undelete your account.
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:04 pm | #
Ah, trolls, so easy to be pigeonholed into easily-dismissable categories.
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:05 pm | #
Maybe you're just a fucking dick.
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:06 pm | #
Speaking of granola, anyone remember back in the '70s when "granola belly" was a concern?
You know you're old if you do...
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:08 pm | #
Oh, I doubt that... but I'm not volunteering to find out!
Not that there's anything wrong with it!!!
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:09 pm | #
You, however, have demonstrated all anyone fucking needs to know.
You can start pissing off any fucking time now.
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 12:27 pm | #
Don't recall anyone here saying to nominate John again.
In fact, the sentiment has been the opposite.
Terry C
(gasp) troll!
jello:
What is it you want the left to do?
Attempt to violently overthrow the government?
Sorry. Gore was wooden and stiff in 2000, and desperately petulant in the first debate.
kerry didn't want to hear it.
Kerry was also running for president of the United States, not president of Verizon. What exactly would you have the POTUS do about outsourcing? Which law should he enforce?
(gasp) troll!
jello
Okay, if that makes you feel better, keep telling yourself that.
You cannot talk to someone who is determined to be unhappy about anything and everything.
Ahhh, 8:30 in the morning in Hawaii, a new 6 pack of Sierra Nevada, 60 hours to play.... life is good.
Except for that George Bush thing.
Stiff? Gore, Kerry, and a cigar store Indian makes three.
Sorry. Gore was wooden and stiff in 2000, and desperately petulant in the first debate.
plantsman, lowercase
And Monkey Boy WASN'T??????????
i was joking, terry.
kerry's fine as pols go, but he's not my favorite by a long shot. you may flame me now.
chicago dyke
Really, I can flame you.
Dean was my first choice, but Kerry was a close second. I'm still rooting for Gore this time round, but two years is a long time.
Kerry a caricature? Of what? A very intelligent, well-educated, well-traveled deep thinker with a long history of courageous service in war and in peace?
And get this -- he gets slimed for not telling a joke well! Good God, that man can't take a breath without getting slimed for something.
Kerry a caricature? Of what? A very intelligent, well-educated, well-traveled deep thinker with a long history of courageous service in war and in peace?
And get this -- he gets slimed for not telling a joke well! Good God, that man can't take a breath without getting slimed for something.
i was joking, terry.
jello
Whatever.
How are you wooden and stiff at the same time as desperate and petulant? How can you show emotion while being emotionless?
(gasp) troll!
I love it when they talk to the mirror...
Why, Jello, are you.......concerned?
I once even got a winger buddy to admit that any statement containing the phrase "everyone knows" (or "it's a known fact") is probably bullshit. Strike the probably...
A deer in the headlights.
Kerry a caricature? Of what? A very intelligent, well-educated, well-traveled deep thinker with a long history of courageous service in war and in peace?
And get this -- he gets slimed for not telling a joke well! Good God, that man can't take a breath without getting slimed for something.
strawhat
"intelligent, well-educated, well-traveled deep thinker"
A crime in Bush's Murka.
Sounds too........French.
Except for that George Bush thing.
It's ludicrous reading about his travels to Vietnam in NY Times this am. What a jerk.
Okay, both sides of this burgeoning Kerry conversation are getting a bit too silly for me, back later.
FWIW however, I'm convinced that the Dean 2004 campaign was ratfucked and knowing what I know now about how much Carville hates Dean, I'm even more convinced.
Flame me when I come back later.
How are you wooden and stiff at the same time as desperate and petulant? How can you show emotion while being emotionless?
Everything's possible in "The Wonderful World of Concern Trolls"!
I think the holiday special is on next week...
Stiff? Gore, Kerry, and a cigar store Indian makes three.
Tim Finnegan
And any one of the three has more intelligence that the asshole in the White House right now.
I'm not looking for a Toastmaster at the Friars Club. I'm looking for someone to run the country....and right it correctly.
chicago dyke, Kerry wasn't my first choice. Though when he won the primary, I did want him to be president instead of Bushboy.
John Kerry is faaaaaar from my favorite politician, and I'd hoped other people would get the Dem nomination last time around.
But, he is far from the MCM caricature, just as Al Gore was far from the MCM/RNC-spoon-fed caricature.
Even now, intelligent people who should know better, speak about Gore as a "serial exaggerator," aka "liar." Or they reference Love Story or Love Canal. Lies are potent when they are simply and repeated over and over and over and over.
All because the MCM bought the RNC paint-by-the-numbers kit and went after Gore.
As they went after Kerry. As they went after Dean. As they went after Clinton. As they went after Dukakis. As they went after...name a Dem.
As they are going after Pelosi (shrieking harpie who may castrate Hoyer).
As they will go after the next Dem candidates for the nomination and then the actual candidate.
Yes, Kerry could be more telegenic, more charismatic.
But I don't find BushBoy telegenic or charismatic. But the MCM says he is. Better to have a beer with, that ex-alchie.
The framing, the painting, the MCM editing is so pervasive, even we who read the blogs get suckered in occasionally.
Sorry -
RUN it correctly.
Are TomKat officially married yet?
It's like shooting ducks in a barrel. No time involved.
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 1:18 pm | #
For the record, here's a remix of Dave's posts in this thread. I left out about 6 posts that are at least somewhat substantive.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...Aren't they all? Please go back there. I'm sure they'll undelete your account. Ah, trolls, so easy to be pigeonholed into easily-dismissable categories. Maybe you're just a fucking dick. You, however, have demonstrated all anyone fucking needs to know. You can start pissing off any fucking time now. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...Now don't you have a basket of fries to drop? Tongue-bathing Unka Karl? Well, it's a living...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...Oh, blow it out your ass, Howard...When you start offering some instead of bullshit wingnut talking points, be sure to let us know. Like I give a shit what you think.
Good afternoon!!
Didja know that 'conservative' is a dirty word now?
It's been a while since I consulted the dictionary of slang...
I'm looking for someone to run the country....
I'm looking for someone to stand-up to the Republicans.
i completely agree that the SCLM is responsible for not correctly representing kerry's excellent record of public service, intelligence, and positions. i also think he was a complete bonehead for playing into their hands, cf ignoring the swift boaters until the damage was already done. he *is* an elite, he is a tad stiff and lacking the skillz in front of the camera, and he is a bit foolish for not recognizing the threat that bush's anticonstitutional government is to this country.
i'm a radical, and i suppose i'll never be happy with people like kerry. but for once, i'd like to see the democrats elevate, say, a black woman or out gay person or latina or someone who's actually worked for a living for the highest office. i'm sick and tired of being told by my "betters" that they know what's best for me and you. and i'm sick of the way they don't understand how the media fucks them over, time and again. i really wish they'd stop saying "thank you, may i have another" in the name of being "civil."
Katie Cruise. Perky name, innit?
Kerry was also running for president of the United States, not president of Verizon. What exactly would you have the POTUS do about outsourcing? Which law should he enforce?
Snow
you're joking right? trade policies for one. bush gave tax breaks to companies who outsourced.
president of verizon, omg.
that wasn't the point. the point was kerry couldn't even be bothered to to show empathy.
Except for that George Bush thing.
It's ludicrous reading about his travels to Vietnam in NY Times this am. What a jerk.
footloose
He never runs out of ways to embarrasss this country, does he?
Stupid people piss me off and he ranks among the most stupid.
"Olbermann has a point of view and he isn't afraid to use it." -- SF Chronicle
Peorgie walks like a toddler with load in his pants but Gore, Kerry are stiff.
Peorge punctures every fractured sentence with a smirk or a jerk but Kerry's boring and Gore's petulant.
Good grief.
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But I don't find BushBoy telegenic or charismatic. But the MCM says he is.
I can't stand watching him but I did during the debates and Wednesday last week when it felt like I had won the freakin' lottery or something!
i was joking, terry.
jello
You take the same course in standup comedy as JFKII?
Or did you teach it?
Silly OT:
'Borat'
In perhaps the most unlikely praise yet for the misogynistic, anti-Semitic and fictional Kazakh TV reporter Borat's new movie, a leading newspaper in the real Kazakhstan dubbed it "film of the year" on Friday.
On Friday, Karavan, a leading weekly tabloid, stepped into the fray after sending a correspondent in Vienna to watch "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan."
"Cultural Learnings is certainly not an anti-Kazakh, anti-Romanian or anti-Semitic ... It is a cruelly anti-American movie," the newspaper said. "It is amazingly funny and sad at the same time."
"I think this is the best film of the year," the correspondent, Andrei Shukhov, wrote.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/
20061...khstan_borat_dc
i'm a radical, and i suppose i'll never be happy with people like kerry. but for once, i'd like to see the democrats elevate, say, a black woman or out gay person or latina or someone who's actually worked for a living for the highest office. i'm sick and tired of being told by my "betters" that they know what's best for me and you.
chicago dyke
Chi:
There will be a Hispanic president before a woman or gay person ends up in the White House.
"The framing, the painting, the MCM editing is so pervasive"
Jawbone
Right here is 99% of how the hyperpermamilitarycarceralmsmmindcontrolpetrochemi
calfiatmoneyscamnuclearfubarstate has done what thaty have done.
Media is a drug more lethal than heroin.
=*=
"The framing, the painting, the MCM editing is so pervasive"
Jawbone
Right here is 99% of how the hyperpermamilitarycarceralmsmmindcontrolpetrochemi
calfiatmoneyscamnuclearfubarstate has done what thaty have done.
Media is a drug more lethal than heroin.
=*=
As an occasional contributor and full-time curmudgeon at Blue Jersey...
Thank you very much, Mr. Big Sweaty Lunk, sir.
sure elmer, why kerry is just as charismatic as clinton.
Peorgie walks like a toddler with load in his pants but Gore, Kerry are stiff.
Peorge punctures every fractured sentence with a smirk or a jerk but Kerry's boring and Gore's petulant.
Good grief.
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cs, art is bread
Bush and his cowboy pimp strut.
Oy vey!
I guess I'm unMurkan. I LIKE smart.
Actually, I agree with some of Jello's comments.
While at this point we have to go to Congress with the Democrats we have, not the Democrats we wished we had (i.e., Lieberman, rather than Lampson, Casey rather than Pennochio -- whose name I probably butchered), that doesn't mean we should be giving any of them a free pass.
If Reid or Murtha or Hoyer or Pelosi don't follow through on their promise of an ethically squeaky clean Congress, then we need to get on their backsides and force them into it.
If another bankruptcy type bill comes up now or in January, we need to deluge offices with faxes, letters, phone calls, emails and bodies.
If these Dems don't perform, then we should get started earlier to find and fund those Dems who will.
as for favorites, Clinton was not mine, either, but when he won the primary I turned up and supported him and never have regretted it. And we all know that without w's war this country would be leading the world into decency and order rather than tearing down old conceptions about our character as a nation and economically sound which would give better standing to the world and its shaky economies.
From Friedman on Clinton's years, I have some fun with a 1991 speech;
'Pure theory can be lovely and promising. Hence, Prof. Friedman of the University of Chicago's 'monetarist' school of economics, could say on November 1, 1991:
We are being misgoverned in all these areas but not because of bad motives or bad people. '
http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
I like Al Gore a lot these days. But when I went to
a campaign event in 2000 at the Rock Creek campus of Portland Comm. Coll. I got a bad vibe off him. Still voted for him.
Well, daughter wishes to use the computer, so I shall sign off till later.
jello?
Lighten the fuck up, okay?
Damn!
'There will be a Hispanic president before a woman or gay person ends up in the White House.
Terry C, American Once Again '
why not a gay Hispanic woman? we have one as sheriff in Dallas.
i'm sick and tired of being told by my "betters" that they know what's best for me and you.
chicago dyke
Sounds like a closeted libertarian! Welcome!
trade policies for one
Trade policies? What corporations do we have trade policies with?
And when you say Bush gave companies tax credits for outsourcing I can only guess what you mean is that Bush asked Congress to give them tax credits.
Kerry didn't have a snappy theme song like Clenis. That's why he lost...
Kerry is not snappy, period. Teresa is.
One thing is definite. Iraq is Clinton and kerry's fault.
=*=
When Kerry made his famous remark in re Vietnam, I was moved to tears. He's a wonderful, serious man; not a comedian.
And now, a pause from playing Fantasy Nominees, a dose of reality:
The Pentagon plans to build a military commissions compound at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, costing up to $125 million, a major undertaking meant to accommodate up to 1,200 people for the first U.S. war crimes trials since World War II, The Miami Herald learned Thursday.
If funded by Congress, the compound would be the largest single construction expenditure at Guantánamo since the Bush administration set up the offshore detention center in January 2002.
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Bill Sutey, military advisor on the staff of Florida Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said: "As a matter of law, it would require an appropriation. It's not even authorized yet."
"To anybody it would beg questions: . . . `What are we doing here? Why are we doing it this way? What is the requirement? Why is it going to cost that much?' These are routine oversight questions and we will do this," Sutey said.
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thes...ld/
16033072.htm
(Via antiwar.com)
One thing is definite. Iraq is Clinton and kerry's fault
And so now I guess stiff wooden Al Gore is just nothing. Why are you leaving out The Al Gore?
Bush grabbed the millstone of Iraq out of thin air, and put it around all our necks.
For the record, here's a remix of Dave's posts in this thread.
Feel free to print those out and mail 'em to me - I'll be happy to autograph them for you.
A souvenir of the day when someone "paid attention" to you!
'One thing is definite. Iraq is Clinton and kerry's fault.
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Truth'
sure it is, if they didn't make him feel so inadequate he wouldn't have to prove himself in the only way he knows how: cheat,lie,steal and fight, then call his parents in to pull him out of trouble.
"The Pentagon plans to build a military commissions compound at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, costing up to $125 million, a major undertaking meant to accommodate up to 1,200 people for the first U.S. war crimes trials since World War II, The Miami Herald learned Thursday."
Well, there might be a silver lining to the construction of a facility for war crimes trials....
He's a wonderful, serious man; not a comedian.
Maybe. But he could've had a little more fight in him in 2004.
I dunno.
Kerry didn't have a snappy theme song like Clenis. That's why he lost...
I blame Fleetwood Mac.
So, they are now spending yet another 125 million to themselves to justify the unjustifiable. After all, if there is a concrete building, that makes it more real.
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A souvenir of the day when someone "paid attention" to you!
dave™© | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 1:49 pm | #
There are tons of posts above discussing libertarians and antiwar.com. My posts often get plenty of attention. Thanks anyway.
Stevie Nicks feels the same way.
Wow, that's almost two hours of raking and the back yard is only about 1/3 done.
With a heavy heart we must now say farewell to the bullshit Moose:
The Moose is leaving the blogosphere with the deep satisfaction that in a small way he was part of this historic and monumental victory for the vital center.
http://bullmooseblogger.blogspot.com/
You could also apply Kerry's statement to Bush voters more aptly than you could to members of the U S military.
dave & Mike, get a room, 'kay?
Spread the wealth!
Or in my case, spread the poorth. :^(
The Moose is leaving the blogosphere with the deep satisfaction that in a small way he was part of this historic and monumental victory for the vital center.
The center of a steamin' pile.
"the only way he knows how: cheat,lie,steal and fight"
Well, Bush never fought. He gets other peoples children to kill other peoples children.
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...get a room, 'kay?
Only if he pays!
And get this -- he gets slimed for not telling a joke well! Good God, that man can't take a breath without getting slimed for something.
George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi.
Each and every one of the above got slimed by the press at the insistence of the repuke machine. At some point the Democrats are going to have to get down in the mud, swing an ax and stop this shit.
But, but, isn't blogging part of the Internet Gift Economy? Few of my favorite advertise.
Waaaaay OT:
There's a line out the door of Garrison Keillor's bookstore. Perhaps the stroke-prone lunk is making a showing?
Kerry didn't have a snappy theme song like Clenis. That's why he lost...
I blame Fleetwood Mac.
Maybe my campaign theme song should be the song for the snoopy happy dance.
I shall have to make a note to myself to look into that.
Wingnuts gone wild
I need some of that George Soros money
Anyone know anyone?
"The moose is leaving yadayadayadayada"
Shut the fuck up and leave already.
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With a heavy heart we must now say farewell to the bullshit Moose...
Atrios posted a comment earlier today speculating that Mooseboy would be joining McCain's campaigh any time now.
Roger Ailes had a good take on it, too...
If these Dems don't perform, then we should get started earlier to find and fund those Dems who will.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |11.18.06 - 1:42 pm
damn straight, diane. And keep an eye on them minute by minute.
Someone over at DKos wrote a diary about setting up permanent Congressional committee watchdogs who would keep up with what various committees and sub-committees were doing, voting on, etc., so that we won't be blindsided the way we were so often over the past years.
Someone has got to keep an eye on Lieberman especially, as I (for one) fear he will delight in gutting the freedoms of the internet. He doesn't strike me as someone who much likes the Netroots or bloggers...and also as not very forgiving.
In this upcoming lame duck session, he and the Rethugs could do a lot of damage.
Anyway, the DKos idea sounded like a very, very good one to me. Maybe it's being done somewhere, somehow, but I'm not aware of anything like it. Bless the Dkos Busy Beavers.
Maybe my campaign theme song should be the song for the snoopy happy dance.
"Linus and Lucy" by the great Vince Guaraldi.
Moose, moose--we hardly knew ye...
Moose, moose--we hardly knew ye...
Blair was just on al-Jazeera admitting that Iraq was a clusterfuck but said it was bin Laden's decision to invade.
'Well, Bush never fought. He gets other peoples children to kill other peoples children.
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Truth'
I'm sure he pinched littler girls.
Damn, almost 2:00PM.
I'm still in here, and the leaves are still out there, and not in thier bags.
Later, batsies.
Did anyone else see this commercial for a new channel?
"There's reality... then there's Fox."
I never thought they would come right out and say it.
The Moose is leaving the blogosphere
Happy Dance! OW!
Happy Dance! OW!
Happy Dance! OW!
Happy Dance! OW!
Happy Dance! OW!
Happy Dance! OW!
Happy Dance! OW!
OW! OW! OW!
fuckin' arthritis,
but it was worth it.
:^)
Well, there might be a silver lining to the construction of a facility for war crimes trials....
That's what we have the Hague for.
gee, antiphone. That breaks my heart, it does.
Atrios posted a comment earlier today speculating that Mooseboy would be joining McCain's campaigh any time now.
*falls back on fainting couch*
Not that the straight talk express was ever on its rails, but I wouldn't put it past those two jokers.
Atrios posted a comment earlier today speculating that Mooseboy would be joining McCain's campaigh any time now.
They figured they would try to undermine with an entire troll blog. When it merely pulled a tiny bit toward the center they figured they'd better cut their losses and regroup on the side they are actually on.
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You know, it's appalling how those MSM stereotypes do stick. I was chatting with a co-worker a while back, a Dem, and she said about Al Gore: "oh, his name's right on the tip of my tongue -- used to be vice president -- oh, what's his name -- you know who I mean, the one who invented the internet."
Dammit. How do you combat that stuff? I think the only way to fight it is jiu-jitsu -- for Al to jokingly claim it -- and then go on to jokingly claim he invented the telephone, floppy disks, light bulbs, and cable TV. Or something like that. How do you fight that?
Roger Ailes had a good take on it, too... - dave™©
Shorter Ailes: Meeeeow.
Good kitty, let bo skritch your ears.
BTW, here's Atrios' comment on Bullshit Moose, which I found rather pithy:
the fact that marshall wittman will likely go work for john mccain should not invalidate all of the good advice he's given to democrats over the years...
jawbone: re: Guantanamo
There are those of us who view the existence of the Guantanamo Bay base itself a sad vestige of an imperialistic era that America should have long since outgrown. To spend an additional dime on its maintenance, much less its expansion, insults the decent opinions of mankind. That said, it's remarkable that $120 million of your money and mine is to go to a structure facillitating military tribunals there. Seems to me, were I a judge, that I'd find offensive such a blatant attempt to continue placing those tribunals, and their participants and subjects, outside recourse to American law...
I'm sure the Moose was just thrilled with the election results. He can retire in third person peace
"How do you fight that?"
You keep telling the truth.
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...SUCH AS DESI
It really wouldn't surprise me much to see a McCain/Lieberman ticket for 2008. They're both ugly old men who think that they are entitled and who love war.
Speaking of BEEEEEG Money, everybody knows Microsoft's campus and Bill Gates' home is in Bellevue/Redmond Washington.
Little Known Fact # 267: i betcha din't know Microsoft was founded, and the first lines of code were written in
Albuquerque
that I'd find offensive such a blatant attempt to continue placing those tribunals
And in a foreign country, too.
How do you fight that?
I would call them out on it. In the press. And every time they lied, I'd call them on it again. I would go as far as to confront an opponent directly.
Feed a blogger starve a pundit!
gut morning what are you people!
Via TPM, wingnut magazine sez "Forget It, Rudy!"
It really wouldn't surprise me much to see a McCain/Lieberman ticket for 2008. They're both ugly old men who think that they are entitled and who love war.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 11.18.06 - 2:04 pm
daggone, goddess, i pret' near got laughed off'n the blog when i posted that suggestion last spring...i almst hadda skulk away...
I have the Snoopy dance music as my cell ringtone.
i pret' near got laughed off'n the blog when i posted that suggestion last spring...
It's funny because it's true!