I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
yes
Hear hear!!
perhaps
tolerance required.
Bigotry. Call it bigotry. All the time. All the networks. Equate Goode with bigotry in the way Brown is synonymous with doing a heckuva job.
there there
Meth?
"Posting will be light, on and off, throughout the holiday season. "
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The constitution which Goode is forsworn to uphold and defend - requires nothing of what one ought to be sworn or affirmed on, and allows affirmation rather than swearing to be tolerant of Quakers.
Or eggnog?
and Chimpy is the only one who can fire Prager from the Holocaust Museum board.
Hey, Alan Hevesi just stepped down!
Shhesh, the liberals are intolerant of all religion except Islam and humanism.
Shhesh, the liberals are intolerant of all religion except Islam and humanism.
Come on, Atrios -"Freedom of religion" means the "right to be Christian from the approved list of Christianities".
You start respecting the brown people's superstitions as 'religion', and pretty soon you're not carpetbombing them to take control of our oil they're sitting over.
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Lucky thing Atrios is posting light today...
anybody else bothered by the word "tolerance"?
"We'll put up with you being different." To me it plays into the Virgil Goodesque view of freedom of religion:
Free to be any kind of Protestant you want to be, Catholics accepted, Jews tolerated. Mormons keep your heads down. Others need not apply
It's this thread. The WMDs are in this thread. Oh wait, or maybe the other thread. On the other site.
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I need a drink.
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Well, Mr. Emanuel finally did something I totally agree with.
Happy Holidays, Rahm.
I heard that idiot Goode on the radio this morning.
It was kind of hard to understand him because his voice was muffled under the pointed hood.
Methinks some of our congresspeople need to go back and take a refresher course on the COnstitution. Or read a little Jefferson ~ it's good for Democracy.
Molly has break a leg mail.
Virgil Goode's name sounds like that of a Richard Brinsley Sheridan character..
Allllright, who put the meth in Atrios' holiday Chex mix??
7% of voters might switch to BNP
ICM poll
At least 7% of the UK electorate would consider voting for the British National Party, according to a Guardian/ICM poll published today.
Among Conservative supporters, 8% would consider casting their vote for the BNP, while 5% of people who said they would probably vote Labour at the next election would consider the far-right party as an alternative.
Three per cent of current Liberal Democrat supporters also said that they would consider voting BNP.
This is considered "light" posting?
"Judeo-Christian tradition" is the new "Some of the my best friends are ..."
Emmanuel is really forceful, isn't he?
Damn.
Allllright, who put the meth in Atrios' holiday Chex mix??
Maybe it was the Iowa meth lab entrepreneur that Chimpy pardoned.
I need a drink.
Miss USA
What are you having? 
I am sick to death of Religious types touting their right to cram their superstitions down our throats. Religions have caused more grief and sorrow than good.
I also am anxiously awaiting Atrios' Really. Exciting. Post. to which he referred last night.
Religions have caused more grief and sorrow than good.
word ta ya motha!!
Blood glucose at 101 mg/dl. Fading.... Must. Eat. Apple.
This is considered "light" posting?
Light saber posting. Cuts through any attempt at a discussion.
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the Iowa meth lab entrepreneur
For some reason, this cracked me up.
The 24 victims of the Haditha massacre were in their night clothes.
Hello all. Just a quickie good morning from here, as I'm leaving for the hospital. No news, but we should find out a little more today. Dad's vital's are all good, so I'm much calmer than I was yesterday. Thanks again for all your good wishes.
As Goode is violating his oath of office but failing to uphold the Constitutional dictum that there be NO religious test for public office, I think Goode needs to resign.
I also am anxiously awaiting Atrios' Really. Exciting. Post. to which he referred last night.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
It'll probably be some obscure bit of economic theory I won't understand anyway....
'I also am anxiously awaiting Atrios' Really. Exciting. Post. to which he referred last night.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore'
They're alll IT!
Gotta go get lunch. Getting giddy in here.
will return shortly, dinner is ready at Chez Moonbootica
It's no wonder Goode made the "Avenging Angel's List."
Emmanuel is really forceful, isn't he?
Damn.
billy b - mr. hooker sir john - 12:16 pm
stern, the man is STERN; demonstrating the stern presidential timbre, n'est pas?
love those mellow, measured tones, that quiet dignity, that authoritarian hauteur...
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I heard that idiot Goode on the radio this morning.
Saw him on CNN yesterday. He's a skinny little shit that reminds me of a lot of the fundemented preachers I've known.
Many of which I'd like to get my hands around their scrawny little necks.
Is this a real wingnut or a parody? It's a comment on my latest Goode post (complete with a pretty picture):
Seriously, after September 11th, any nation that was not insane would have halted all muslim immigration. We have absolutely no obligation to let them it. They come here at our whim. September 11th was far more than enough cause to bar the whole lot of them.
God Bless Virgil Goode! I have called his office and given my thanks.
pjgoober
This is considered "light" posting?
It's the same amount, just fewer calories.
Well, Mr. Emanuel finally did something I totally agree with.
Happy Holidays, Rahm.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
FWIW, Rahm is Jewish and probably doesn't want to swear on a bible either.
Christians have made the world a better place. Few from other religions have. America is a Christian nation. You'd better show some respect for us.
As Goode is violating his oath of office but failing to uphold the Constitutional dictum that there be NO religious test for public office, I think Goode needs to resign.
Cy Guy
Excellent point 
Well. I'm off. Thanks for the vibes, kids!
I am sick to death of Religious types touting their right to cram their superstitions down our throats.
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God, I couldn't agree more with this. It way past time for them to have to play defense, the pea-brained bastards.
Speaking of cramming it down your throat, I am so sick of finding headlines like this on WaPo.com
On Faith: The Living Son of the Living God
P O'Neill - thanks for the Crist/Rove tip.
I have linked and cited.
Retards demand our respect?
America is a Christian nation. Shoelimpy™
BUZZZZ.
Sorry, that answer is incorrect.
But thanks for playing The Citizenship Game, and be sure to pick your copy of the Constitution on the way out.
Christians have made the world a better place.
You'd better show some respect for us.
or what, bitch?
Maybe it was the Iowa meth lab entrepreneur that Chimpy pardoned.
P O'Neill
I cannot even be the "Iowa Airfern Entrepreneur"
As long as your a Bible believing Christian who has accepted Jesus Christ, no further test shall be required. That's what the founders meant. It does not mean atheists and muslims get to hold office. They NEVER intended that. And don't give me that hooey about the founders being agnostics or deists. Hooey, all of it.
mena, I wasn't around much yesterday. Best wishes to you and your father.
stern, the man is STERN; demonstrating the stern presidential timbre, n'est pas?
love those mellow, measured tones, that quiet dignity, that authoritarian hauteur...
heh. That's great, Woodman.
One longs for a good harangue from one of these silly little men. A throw down that would lead one to believe that maybe, just maybe, they possessed a set of cojones.
They NEVER intended that. And don't give me that hooey about the founders being agnostics or deists. Hooey, all of it.
where's the ROFLMFAO smiley?
we have a lot of tolerance for swamp grass on the edges of vegas....heh...heh...
{{{mena!!!}}}
Best wishes to you, dear. My ex-husband had a stroke yesterday, too.
And don't give me that hooey about the founders being agnostics or deists. Hooey, all of it.
This must be a namestealer. Even our pal The Dolt™ knows that the Founders believed in religious freedom and that they were, by and large, deists at best.
Either way ...
Feed a cold, starve a troll.
What's wrong with the word tolerance? What to you prefer, approval? Well, I don't approve of fundamentalism. But you know what? My approval doesn't matter regarding what faith or lack thereof another person lives by - nor should it.
Of course, there are those who definition of tolerance seems to be "I don't approve of what you believe but I can't legally stop you - yet." But wingers twisting the language to code for hatred is another issue.
They NEVER intended that. And don't give me that hooey about the founders being agnostics or deists. Hooey, all of it.
Shoelimpy™
Shoelimpy sure writes like ojo. Interesting.
FireFox: when Nixon appointed two utter mediocrities to the Supreme Court and they were denied confirmation, Roman Hruska, then in the Senate, suggested that there should be room on the bench for mediocrity. Uncharitable contemporaries of Hruska's suggested he'd made the case definitively for the Senate...
"...I call on President Bush to be consistent and denounce Congressman Goode's intolerance."
Don't hold your breath.
where's the ROFLMFAO smiley?
FireFox
Here, you can borrow some of mine:
Sinfonian, tx. Now who's up for some free Krugster?
Democrats And The Deficit
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Now that the Democrats have regained some power, they have to decide what to do. One of the biggest questions is whether the party should return to Rubinomics -- the doctrine, associated with former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, that placed a very high priority on reducing the budget deficit.
The answer, I believe, is no. Mr. Rubin was one of the ablest Treasury secretaries in American history. But it's now clear that while Rubinomics made sense in terms of pure economics, it failed to take account of the ugly realities of contemporary American politics.
And the lesson of the last six years is that the Democrats shouldn't spend political capital trying to bring the deficit down. They should refrain from actions that make the deficit worse. But given a choice between cutting the deficit and spending more on good things like health care reform, they should choose the spending.
In a saner political environment, the economic logic behind Rubinomics would have been compelling. Basic fiscal principles tell us that the government should run budget deficits only when it faces unusually high expenses, mainly during wartime. In other periods it should try to run a surplus, paying down its debt.
Since the 1990s were an era of peace, prosperity and favorable demographics (the baby boomers were still in the work force, not collecting Social Security and Medicare), it should have been a good time to put the federal budget in the black. And under Mr. Rubin, the huge deficits of the Reagan-Bush years were transformed into an impressive surplus.
But the realities of American politics ensured that it was all for naught. The second President Bush quickly squandered the surplus on tax cuts that heavily favored the wealthy, then plunged the budget deep into deficit by cutting taxes on dividends and capital gains even as he took the country into a disastrous war. And you can even argue that Mr. Rubin's surplus was a bad thing, because it greased the rails for Mr. Bush's irresponsibility.
As Brad DeLong, a Berkeley economist who served in the Clinton administration, recently wrote on his influential blog: ''Rubin and us spearcarriers moved heaven and earth to restore fiscal balance to the American government in order to raise the rate of economic growth. But what we turned out to have done, in the end, was to enable George W. Bush's right-wing class war: his push for greater after-tax income inequality.''
My only quibble with Mr. DeLong's characterization is that this wasn't just one man's class war: the whole conservative movement shared Mr. Bush's squanderlust, his urge to run off with the money so carefully saved under Mr. Rubin's leadership.
With the chair!
Has there been coverage of any moderate Muslim groups coming out in sympathy with this message? Muslims are Americans too, and need representation just as much as the next American...
benjamin franklin never met a bible-believing belle with a soft faithful patriotic twat that he didn't adore....heh...
Thanks Erin and Vicki. Today is going to be much better, I'm sure of it. Vicki, I'm sorry about your ex. I hope your daughter is doing alright.
Rest of Krugster
With the benefit of hindsight, it's clear that conservatives who claimed to care about deficits when Democrats were in power never meant it. Let's not forget how Alan Greenspan, who posed as the high priest of fiscal rectitude as long as Bill Clinton was in the White House, became an apologist for tax cuts -- even in the face of budget deficits -- once a Republican took up residence.
Now the Democrats are back in control of Congress. They've pledged not to be as irresponsible as their predecessors: Nancy Pelosi, the incoming House speaker, has promised to restore the ''pay-as-you-go'' rule that the Republicans tossed aside in the Bush years. This rule would basically prevent Congress from passing budgets that increase the deficit.
I'm for pay-as-you-go. The question, however, is whether to go further. Suppose the Democrats can free up some money by fixing the Medicare drug program, by ending the Iraq war and/or clamping down on war profiteering, or by rolling back some of the Bush tax cuts. Should they use the reclaimed revenue to reduce the deficit, or spend it on other things?
The answer, I now think, is to spend the money -- while taking great care to ensure that it is spent well, not squandered -- and let the deficit be. By spending money well, Democrats can both improve Americans' lives and, more broadly, offer a demonstration of the benefits of good government. Deficit reduction, on the other hand, might just end up playing into the hands of the next irresponsible president.
In the long run, something will have to be done about the deficit. But given the state of our politics, now is not the time.
Christians have made the world a better place.
Christ had some ideas that could make the world a better place if we all signed on to them.
The organized religions that have claimed Christ as their own pet mascot and stomp around the world demanding money and power, while trying to kick the ass of all the other teams, not so much.
vicki: sorry to hear that. You and Aud OK?
vicki: sorry to hear that. You and Aud OK?
some christians have made the world a better place
certainly none that we see on tv or hear about today
Christians have made the world a better place. Few from other religions have. America is a Christian nation. You'd better show some respect for us.
Shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.22.06 - 12:20 pm | #
Or I'll kill you.
Virgil Goode--doesn't that sound like a name for a late night televangelist?
And you can even argue that Mr. Rubin's surplus was a bad thing, because it greased the rails for Mr. Bush's irresponsibility.
Said it earlier this morning : my father would have called this "Somebody so clever that he's stupid."
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Vicki -hugs to you and especially Audrey.
This story is a nice little study in framing. Although folks in the House of Representative pose for swearing-in publicity photos with the Bible, the book is not used in the actual swearing-in ceremony.
However, the story has been framed around which book should be used in the ceremony, a phony frame to inflame sectarian, tribal passions, to provide a convenient conduit for manipulating the bigotry and other-hatred always just under the surface of the American way of life.
This is just more divide-and-conquer claptrap to keep us fighting with each other rather than storming the palaces of privilege, a style of politics and governance used since the founding of this country and so ingrained in our psyche that we often don't even notice it anymore.
ProfWombat--you and I have both owned threads today
Well, it's always nice to have things in common.
ben franklin liked religious gals with names like christ ine
Or I'll kill you.
Shoelimpy™
jump whenever you feel froggy, bitch
ProfWombat and mena,
Yeah, I'm fine. Audrey is holding up at the moment.
virgil goode is my name and i served on......
Oh to hell with all of them. Make them swear on the Vogue fall issue and be done with it.
More on WATB Phil Kline and the criminal charges filed this morning against abortion provider George Tiller:
Tiller's lawyers are on tv now calling the charges against Tiller "unfounded", "trumped up" and a "cheap shot" by a "bitter, failed politician."
They are literally laughing.
Vicki and Mena--loving wishes for both of you and your families.
fashion bible. good idea
And don't give me that hooey about the founders being agnostics or deists. Hooey, all of it.
Shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.22.06 - 12:22 pm | #
The facts be damned!
What's wrong with the word tolerance? What to you prefer, approval?
semantically, I guess, acceptance. But to talk about tolerance implies that the Constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion is something 'we' (the majority) grant to 'you' (the minority), when in fact it is a fundamental, inalienable, unquestionable right of every citizen. It plays into the Lieberman meme of "Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion". It's a short walk from there to "just because the teacher is leading a prayer doesn't mean your kid has to say it, he can just put his head down and think about puppies while the other kids pray"
I know it's a pedantic point, and I don't always weigh every word I use, but in this context it bugs me. It's like when people talk about the black/female/coastal vote as if its somehow different, less legitimate than the white/male/'heartland' vote.
What's good about it is that it directs the intolerance right back on w as head of the party. Good show!
Central--I have to admit I find it all very amusing.
But I imagine Trout would prefer you put on Amazing Cats.
i bent a spoon at the snack counter once
I haven't been around much lately -- sounds like I've missed out on some good news, some sad news. Best of luck to all our jobseekers, congrats to our recent jobfinders, and best wishes to those dealing with health and other concerns.
Pretty broad brush, but it's going to take me way too long to catch up.
And happy War on Christmas, comrades!
mena, how is your father?
Central Scrutinizer,
For living in the most religiously diverse state in the union (literally), you certainly have your share of whack-a-mole whack jobs.
Oh to hell with all of them. Make them swear on the Vogue fall issue and be done with it.
Neponset
Wouldn't it be hilarious if, say, Barney Frank were to do that?
I know it's gauche, but it would prove a point ... several points, actually.
Juan Cole:
Somehow I don't think one Virgil Goode is likely to go down in history as good enough to shine Ben Franklin's shoes.
http://www.juancole.com/2006/12/...t-on-
miami.html
Ooh, Vicki, so sorry about your ex.
Anyone watching the 'Doctor Who' marathon on Sci Fi?
"The Beast and his armies shall rise from the pit and make war against God."
"Sorry?"
"Apologies. I said, I hope you enjoy your meal."
My knees hurt.
liberals use hairdryers 11% more than wingnuts but 7% less than south koreans
Neponset--you ever picked up the fall fashion issue of Vogue? That sucker needs a crane.
I think my ex will be okay, thank you all. He just turned 50. It's weird when something happens to someone with whom you shared part of your life. I do hope he recovers, and I truly hope that he can find total and complete peace. Sometimes, I think, emotional issues manifest themselves in physical ways.
...screw Emmanuel..that bastard withheld information about improper contact between a congresman and a minor for purely political reasons..he did not care about the minor..what a lying Democrat pig
For living in the most religiously diverse state in the union (literally), you certainly have your share of whack-a-mole whack jobs.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
They're everywhere, it's true, but Kline takes the Grand Prize.
He's been rabid about putting Tiller out of business for 4 years now, so this really does look like a last desperate act by a bitter loser.
Virgil Goode--doesn't that sound like a name for a late night televangelist?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 12.22.06 - 12:26 pm | #
Yes, especially since he pronouces it "Gooood"
This is just more divide-and-conquer claptrap to keep us fighting with each other rather than storming the palaces of privilege, a style of politics and governance used since the founding of this country and so ingrained in our psyche that we often don't even notice it anymore.
Uncle Smokes
So perfect it needed to be seen again.
My knees hurt.
Miss USA 2006
That's called "playing the Trump card"
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Ew. A talking wristwatch. Gag me with a faux Rolex!
south koreans prefer white eggs with brown bread while liberals prefer white eggs with brown bread:
source:
ben franklins 3rd novel: memories of nostradamus
{{{Vicki}}}
Tolerance is the easiest of virtues...
but i will be double fucked, blinded, and cast naked into the streets before i tolerate those who are, a priori, intolerant of me...
Krugman: "squanderlust".
I like it.
sallyh: we'll always have Paris, kid. And there'll always be a roll of quarters in case of emergency, or, for that matter, merely inclination...any caramel apple pie left?
Mena, I'm so sorry to hear about your father.
...while others hate nothing but hatred....
b.dylan
..the bug-eyed idiot (999,895) is so obtuse and stupid..
..what a lying hypocritical Democrat pig
rahm emmanuel is a twit.
but sort of low on the level of criminality compared to the repiglicans.
mena, how is your father?
Ruth - 12:29 pm
mena?
que pasa...has sumpin happened to your dad...
...screw Emmanuel..that bastard withheld information about improper contact between a congresman and a minor for purely political reasons..he did not care about the minor..what a lying Democrat pig
liberal jeenyus | 12.22.06 - 12:32 pm | #
Once more, with feeling...
THAT WAS A PURELY REPUBLICAN MESS.
No dems were involved..."jeenyus".
But you knew that.
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Veiled against the Sun - UPDATED
MY GOD, MYYYYYYYYY GODDDDDDDDdd!
I didn't think Hugh Hewitt could be any fucking crazier, BUT I AM WRONG!
That’s why…and I always get hate mail after I do this segment, when I say Bush is Lincoln. It’s just a replay, and the Iraqis and the Afghanis are going to be as grateful to his memory as African-Americans are to Lincoln’s. That’s a lock, it’s what they call in the gambling world a mortal lock
Aiyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeee! The stupid it burns so fucking much!
liberal jeenyus and slimpy are so lame, I can't see why they bother.
ProfWombat--haven't baked it yet. It's for Christmas Eve. I pop it in while we're eating dinner so that it's warm and fresh.
Goes well with vanilla creme fraiche.
So perfect it needed to be seen again.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
Thanks. I suppose the short version would be "Don't feed the trolls."
Sinfonian already has that covered, though, with mixed results.
mena: hope things are OK: odd, just as I read yours and vicki's posts, clouds over the wan solstice noon sun...
Rep. Emanuel: "President Bush has reminded us time and again that freedom of religion is a fundamental American value. As such, I call on President Bush to be consistent and denounce Congressman Goode's intolerance."
This sort of weak shit is why politicians suck my ass.
People, Virgil Goode is a sick fucking asshole. Somebody needs to use their unique opportunity to get on the nation's airwaves and just call the guy out as a motherfucking scumbag who is a disgrace to the entire country and the Constitution.
I might add, of course, that taking one's oath of office while placing one's hand on a collection of worthless crap like the Koran or the the Bible or Torah is only slightly less appalling and disrespectful.
What the fuck is the matter with people?
Atta,
I believe Hewitt's capacity for stupidity is infinite.
Sinfonian--you're a university administrator?
I'm so sorry
jethrene -
I hope you realize how laughable your attempted digs at Dems are.
Sandy Berger and the notes (that he wrote, incidentally). Rahm and the purported withholding of info that all the repukes knew about because they were enabling the criminal in the first place.
Then we look at what the repukes have done that we know about and anything your silly little gimpy ass can bring up is inconsequential.
Bush as Lincoln. Not with that "Southern Strategery", he isn't.
Attaturk --
I don't mind that he's a blithering idiot.
What bugs the shit out of me is that he's paid BIG BUCKS to be a blithering idiot!
THAT WAS A PURELY REPUBLICAN MESS.
No dems were involved..."jeenyus".
But you knew that.
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MasterD, damn yankee
SANDY BURGER! SANDY BERGER! SANDY BERGER!
(/troll)
Vicki -hugs to you and especially Audrey.
ErinPDX - 12:27 pm
crap, what happened w/Vicvki & audrey?
Schoolgirl sentenced for scissor attack
A schoolgirl who stabbed a fellow pupil in the eye with a pair of scissors has been sentenced to three and a half years youth custody.
The 15-year-old, who cannot be named for legal reasons, says she was trying to fit in with a group of girls who had been bullying Natashia Jackman when she started taunting the girl in the school dinner queue, Guildford crown court heard.
When Natashia retaliated, the girl, who was 14 at the time of the attack, responded by lunging at her with a pair of scissors borrowed from another classmate.
sallyh: seems to me you should experiment with it a little earlier, just to make sure it comes out OK...
wgg: I recall a Unitarian minister, of all people, sermonizing of a Sunday about the limits to tolerance. You'd have understood each other, she was a hot ticket of the first water...
Bush as Lincoln is right up there with Kristol's "The vice president was wrong which is rare".
Last throes
We know Saddam has reconstituted....
High level contacts....
" God has a plan for that game of Monopoly you're gonna play in 6 years."
wgg: vicki's ex took a stroke...
Bush is Lincoln. He's as dumb and as thick as a Lincoln Log.
I didn't think Hugh Hewitt could be any fucking crazier, BUT I AM WRONG!
Maybe his mansierre is too tight cutting off circulation above his man boobs.
ProfWombat--a lovely woman suffered what appeared to be a stroke while waiting to board my flight from Providence to Chicago. This was after TSA roughed her up but good (forced her out of her wheelchair, pulled her coat off, yanked her shoes off, told her she couldn't use her metal cane to go through). By the time she'd reached the gate, she was tilting to one side, unable to speak, and unable to move her arm. There were four elderly women in wheelchairs in line in front of me; the way they were treated was beyond appalling.
That’s why…and I always get hate mail after I do this segment, when I say Bush is Lincoln. It’s just a replay, and the Iraqis and the Afghanis are going to be as grateful to his memory as African-Americans are to Lincoln’s. That’s a lock, it’s what they call in the gambling world a mortal lock
I don't believe for a second that spineless gasbags like Hewitt actually believe the verbal farts they poison the air with so regularly. They're immature little boys and girls making crude noises and giggling at the reactions they get. This is all a game to them -- say whatever you want, see who cheers and who gasps, and collect your paycheck.
Sadly, their crude noises have some pretty toxic effects in the real world.
Alas, i have to go and do many things of note with the family. See you later, and take care of all this "light posting" for me.
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Woody, both Vicki's ex and mena's dad had strokes yesterday.
ProfWombat--I've made it many times...oh, wait. You want to taste panel to make sure it's all right for mass consumption. That must be it.
Sure,
Bush is Lincoln: A closeted gay republican.
WGG,
I haven't been on much lately. Too busy with work and family and like that. And Gomez was in town last weekend.
You guys'd like him. He represents himself pretty much as he is in real life.
I didn't think Hugh Hewitt could be any fucking crazier, BUT I AM WRONG!
That’s why…and I always get hate mail after I do this segment, when I say Bush is Lincoln. It’s just a replay, and the Iraqis and the Afghanis are going to be as grateful to his memory as African-Americans are to Lincoln’s. That’s a lock, it’s what they call in the gambling world a mortal lock
Aiyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeee! The stupid it burns so fucking much!
Attaturk | Homepage | 12.22.06 - 12:35 pm
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I posted a couple weeks ago that we had dinner at a restaurant where HH, et al, were holding their xmas party... he walked past our table - I shoulda buried my dinner fork in his back as he sauntered by, or at lest flung mashed potatoes at him. Ohhhhh I woulda, coulda, shoulda....
attaturk --
Finally saw the rifftrax for Phantom Menace. OMG. We howled. The only thing that could make that POS tolerable.
Though I still think the X-Men rifftrax was funnier: "... just like a real wolverine."
My knees hurt.
Religion = Flat Earth Philosophy
Dangerous in any way, shape or form.
Jim, I'd think the word "acceptance" conjures up more of what you're describing. If I accept how others practice their faith, does it follow that I should accept them getting tax dollars? Accept their discriminating against others because it's their "right"?
Tolerance is a fine old word that shouldn't need to be discarded because wingers misuse it. Wingers misuse the whole fucking languange, but that doesn't mean we should go back to pointing and grunts.
My knees hurt.
Miss USA 2006
You need some Aloe-Vera.
Gummo,
I love the RIFFTRAX stuff sooooo much. Anybody who liked MST3K would also love it.
I like Phantom Menace more, but you can't go wrong with any of them.
My knees hurt.
Miss USA 2006
OK, this was half-assed funny the first 10 or 20 times
sallyh: well, I'll admit the thought is congenial...
Woody, both Vicki's ex and mena's dad had strokes yesterday.
mer | 12.22.06 - 12:40 pm
whoa, shit...
i'm so sorry...
/
Why kids, I can remember back when Continental Airlines was "the Proud Bird with the Golden Tail" and used to consider LA-Denver-Chicago its bread-and-butter route.
I like Phantom Menace more, but you can't go wrong with any of them.
Attaturk
So far, it's Mrs. Gummo's favorite, too.
We really need to rent a copy of Star Trek V and listen to that one. The possibilities are scary.
What sister of ye says about tolerance and acceptance is right the fuck on.
You go, girl.
"I always get hate mail after I do this segment, when I say Bush is Lincoln"
Happy birthday, Abie baby,
Happy birthday to you!
Bang!
Bang? Bang?!
Shit, I'm not dying for no white man.
-- James Rado, Gerome Ragni, and Galt MacDermot, "Abie Baby," Hair
Gummo,
I love the RIFFTRAX stuff sooooo much. Anybody who liked MST3K would also love it.
I like Phantom Menace more, but you can't go wrong with any of them.
Attaturk | Homepage | 12.22.06 - 12:42 pm | #
I've downloaded several, but haven't gotten around to trying to set them up. Maybe this weekend!
Miss USA--I thought your cooch hurts.
I hate everybody who shows up on tv. Everybody is crude, nasty and stupid. It really depresses me.
-- James Rado, Gerome Ragni, and Galt MacDermot, "Abie Baby," Hair
Uncle Smokes
My brother still has a copy somewhere of the original Hair soundtrack album, i.e., the off-Broadway one -- different songs and a much rawer, more "rock" sound.
OK, this was half-assed funny the first 10 or 20 times
FireFox
A technical error, I promise.
Curiously, though, Haloscan did not tell me that I'd already said that.
Dammit...if Haloscan won't protect me from myself.....
To me, acceptance implies taking thing as you find them; tolerance implies allowing them grudgingly.
sallyh, that's a horrible story, but one that's going to be more and more the norm rather than the exception. A 'Clockwork Orange' sort of world, full of tinpots with tazers and truncheons, and, most of all, themselves...
Goode used to be a Democrat; became a Republican because of the Evil Klynton.
Sinfonian already has that covered, though, with mixed results.
Uncle Smokes
I'm doing my best, but as you say, mixed results. Even I find it hard to resist when confronted with such mind-boggling idiocy.
Sinfonian--you're a university administrator?
I'm so sorry
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Oh, there are worse things. I've always said my worst day in development is still better than my best day practicing law.
Maybe because I live in a large, densely-packed city, but "tolerate" makes sense to me -- we don't all necessarily accept each other; we certainly don't all respect each other; all that's necessary for the city to work is that we tolerate each other, which we do just fine.
"....this would sharpen you up and prepare you for a little of the old...ultra violence"
I noticed yesterday that Pat Buchanan's checking out on us again.
plantsman--I've always hated the word tolerance; to me, it's not an accurate description of how I view those unlike me.
I don't 'tolerate.' I do, however, believe that it's good that others are not like myself. I'm not sure what you'd call that.
I also don't tolerate stupidity, lack of punctuality, missed assignments, placing my gifts in the wrong place under the Christmas tree, misinterpretation of studies, dirty floors...
You get the picture.
Turkmen power struggle begins after dictator's death
A power struggle for control of Turkmenistan began to unfold today after the death of the gas-rich country's dictator, Saparmurat Niyazov.
The role of acting president should have been awarded to the head of parliament, Ovezgeldy Atayev. But the national security council ruled him out, saying he had been charged with criminal offences, which it did not specify.
In his place the Niyazov loyalist and deputy prime minister, Kurbanguly Berdymukhamedov, was appointed, to the condemnation of exiled opposition leaders planning to return home.
Sinfonian--you are aware of how the faculty generally refers to administrators
Virgil Goode's comments were in line with what the Nazis were saying about the jews, circa 1934. I wonder when the GOPers start advocating the opening of death camps for nonchristians.
It amazes me the things people manage to care about, let alone make a stink about. 225 years of liberty and you can still find people in America who simply can't grasp what it means.
I posted a couple weeks ago that we had dinner at a restaurant where HH, et al, were holding their xmas party...
emma
Was the Baby Jesus Himself there?
Knees On.
Apply directly to your knees.
And shut up.
Maybe because I live in a large, densely-packed city, but "tolerate" makes sense to me -- we don't all necessarily accept each other; we certainly don't all respect each other; all that's necessary for the city to work is that we tolerate each other, which we do just fine.
Gummo
It is essential for civilization.
Bush is Lincoln. He's as dumb and as thick as a Lincoln Log. - Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
A Lincoln Log from the litter box.
Sinfonian--I believe RMJ mentioned something to the effect that his worst day pastoring was better than his best day lawyering.
Sinfonian--you are aware of how the faculty generally refers to administrators
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I've been in the game ten years now. I know. But they like me because I can help them get money.
Re: Continental Airlines--When you give otherwise powerless folks (i.e., TSA screeners, etc) the power to be pricks
they will NOT disappoint...
Sallyh, it's funny. When I lived in San Francisco, I realized that not being comfortable with one group or another was pointless - my feelings about it didn't matter a whit, it was going to go on, whether I was okay with it or not.
I rather like that place.
I didn't think Hugh Hewitt could be any fucking crazier, BUT I AM WRONG!
Jesus fucking Christ with bleeding nipples, Hewitt is an idiot.
Sinfonian--I believe RMJ mentioned something to the effect that his worst day pastoring was better than his best day lawyering.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Cool. GMTA.
I've been using that line for years now. It says everything so succinctly ...
Sinfonian--ooh, you control purse strings! And you deliver!
We like that.
I've been in the game ten years now. I know. But they like me because I can help them get money.
Sinfonian, in America's glans™
Jeopardy? 
To me, acceptance implies taking thing as you find them; tolerance implies allowing them grudgingly.
But there are things a decent person should allow only grudgingly, like KKK marches and Rush Limbaugh.
Had that have been a dem the "liberal media" would have tracked every dem in the country down. Some poor some poor schlub coming out the shitter still pulling his pants up would have a camera shoved in his face with the "Dem A says he hates murika do you agree?" quesion being yelled at him by a pack of repub controlled media dogs.
Sinfonian,
Are you a PG specialist (the law background is a good match) or generalist?
plantsman--city life is like that. When you have to live with different cultures and people, you learn that how you feel about it doesn't matter. What matters is how you behave.
Commented above but no one replied ... I really wonder, which is why I'm asking again.
Is this a real wingnut or a parody? It's a comment on my latest Goode post (complete with a pretty picture):
Seriously, after September 11th, any nation that was not insane would have halted all muslim immigration. We have absolutely no obligation to let them it. They come here at our whim. September 11th was far more than enough cause to bar the whole lot of them.
God Bless Virgil Goode! I have called his office and given my thanks.
pjgoober
But there are things a decent person should allow only grudgingly, like KKK marches and Rush Limbaugh.
Agreed. And reminded of the time I was visiting relatives in North Carolina, and witnessed KKK and Communist Party demonstrations in different places about 20 miles apart.
Bo--you must need a drink. It's nearly 10 a.m.
(wings a pitcher of mimosas in Bo's direction)
Sinfonian,
Are you a PG specialist (the law background is a good match) or generalist?
ErinPDX
I have enough background to be a generalist, but I've done major gifts for about eight years. Started in annual giving/alumni relations.
Sinfonian,
Are you a PG specialist (the law background is a good match) or generalist?
ErinPDX
I have enough background to be a generalist, but I've done major gifts for about eight years. Started in annual giving/alumni relations.
"The 24 victims of the Haditha massacre were in their night clothes ..."
How do you know and why is that significant by its own accord, or, are you doing what leftists often do in lieu of making a point based on facts, which is, to infer?
America is a Christian nation. Shoelimpy™
BUZZZZ.
Sorry, that answer is incorrect.
But thanks for playing The Citizenship Game, and be sure to pick your copy of the Constitution on the way out.
Gummo | 12.22.06 - 12:21 pm | #
Shoelimpy (whining):"But who's gonna read it to me?"
Blood glucose at 101 mg/dl. Fading.... Must. Eat. Apple.
plantsman, lowercase | 12.22.06 - 12:18 pm | #
Man up, son. I once tested my blood and it was 17.
That's right, seventeen. Mg/dl.
Agreed. And reminded of the time I was visiting relatives in North Carolina, and witnessed KKK and Communist Party demonstrations in different places about 20 miles apart.
plantsman, lowercase
Bet the shuttle bus was a lonely place.
Seriously, after September 11th, any nation that was not insane would have halted all muslim immigration. We have absolutely no obligation to let them it. They come here at our whim. September 11th was far more than enough cause to bar the whole lot of them.
Someone should tell this nut that the politician in question was born in this country and converted. Details, details...
catch you all laters moonbats
How do you know and why is that significant by its own accord, or, are you doing what leftists often do in lieu of making a point based on facts, which is, to infer?
Oh, yes; that's it in a thimble -- Are you being an ass, or just pretending to be one?
Jon--in the event that you simply don't get it (which seems a bit obvious), people in their nightclothes are not poised for attack. They're sleeping.
That has got to be the most disturbing pic of pickles evah, WT
Hmmm...
Who "inferred" that Saddam had anything to do with (/11?
Or that there were WMD's?
Or that the insurgency was in it's last throes?
Or that the 8/6 PBD was "historical"?
Or...
Oh, never freeking mind.
Damned leftists, anyway.
Sallyh, methinks there be a troll about who is discussing with himself through many sockpuppets
I still think more people practice astrology than pray. So it's an Astrological Country.
Bush's "delusion": a psychiatrist's perspective
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl...12/22/101516/
45
First and foremost, George W. Bush is a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. What this means, mostly, is that he has rather desperate insecurities about himself, and compensates by constructing a grandiose self-image. Most of his relationships are either mirroring relationships--people who flatter him and reinforce his grandiosity--or idealized self-objects--people that he himself thinks alot of, and hence feels flattered by his association. Some likely perform both functions. Hence his weakness for sycophants like Harriet Miers, and powerful personalities like Dick Cheney.
Even as a narcissist, Bush knows he isn't a great intellect, and compensates by dismissing the value of intellect altogether. Hence his disses of Gore's bookishness, and any other intellectual that isn't kissing his ass. Bush knows that his greatest personal strength is projecting personal affability, and tries to utilize it even in the most inappropriate settings. That's why he gives impromptu backrubs to the German Chancellor in a diploamtic meeting--he's insecure intellectually, and tries to make everyone into a "buddy" so he can feel more secure. (Pathetic, isn't it?)
The most disturbing aspect about narcissists, however, is their pathological inability to empathize with others, with the exception of those who either mirror them, or whom they idealize. Hence Bush's horrifying insensitivity to the Katrina victims, his callous jokes when visiting greivously injured soldiers, and numerous other instances. The guy simply has no capacity to feel for others in that way. When LBJ was losing Vietnam, he developed a haunted expression that anybody could recognize as indicative of underlying anguish. For all his faults, you just knew he was losing sleep over it. By the same token, we know just as well that Bush isn't losing any sleep over dead American soldiers, to say nothing of dead Iraqis. He didn't exhibit any sign of significant concern until his own political popularity was sliding--because THAT'S something he can definitely feel...
Bush knows that things aren't going his way in Iraq, and he knows that it is damaging him politically. He also sees that it is likely to get worse no matter what he does, and in fact it may be a lost cause. However, he recognizes that if he follows the recommendations of the ISG, that Iraq will almost certainly evolve into a puppet state of Iran, and given his treatment of Iran he will completely lose control of the situation--and he will be politically discredited for this outcome. The ONLY chance that he has to avoid this political disaster, and save his political skin, is to hope against hope for "victory" in Iraq. Advancing the "surge" idea offers Bush two political advantages over following the ISG recommendations. One is that if it is implemented, maybe, just maybe, he can pull out some sort of nominal "vict
Jeez, another one of Pickles "just cut in the wrong place" tops! She must have a zillion of them!
Watertiger--no wonder your tummy was hurting. Piccies like that are teh nauseating.
I understand the 20th highjacker was sent home because he wasn't in his nightclothes.
This was after TSA roughed her up but good ... - Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
TSA needs to be disassembled right quick after the '08 election. It really smells of the Brown Shirt Legion. I interviewed with Covenant Security which has the contract for SFO. Bunch of Gestapo wannabes. Ran their office like it was a prison. The HR lobby had a tape loop that had several minutes of 9/11 shots including people jumping from the tower and shots of their employees looking rough, tough, vigilant and resolute. If you're a gummimit-employed TSA worker, you're hourly, part-time, no bennies and not Civil Service. One huge, very nasty, makework project.
Bo--and McDonalds wouldn't hire most of the people that work for them.
Bunch of Gestapo wannabes.
werrrrrd, i dislike those fuckers
The TSA is having agents mash one chocolate in every box they examine in an attempt to ruin Christmas.
Richard: even though I agree with much of that post, I don't think a psychiatrist has any more business speaking ex cathedra about Bush than Frist did about Terri Schiavo. It's an abuse of his professional status. He never interviewed Bush face to face; Bush isn't his patient.
Time to break from goofing off for lunch. I love slow pre-holiday workdays.
Catch up in a bit.
plantsman
Bo--only thing that happened to me on this flight myself was that I had my makeup in a GALLON Ziploc. I was told that only QUART Ziplocs were appropriate. I laughed at the screener and said, get a fucking life.
Aaaaeeiii! Just learned my friend is coming to visit a day earlier. I gotta get my act together and hit the grocery store for the makings of yummy Scotch Eggs.
I think I'll throw up some lights and hang pagan symbols made out of Shrinky Dinks from them--to honor his and my Hah Bumbug view of the season.
Y'all take care of you good selves!
Edmund: Ah, Melchett! Greetings! I trust that Christmas brings you its traditional mix of good food and violent stomach cramp.
Melchett: ...and compliments of the season to you, Blackadder. May the yuletide log slip from your fire and burn your house down.
-- Rowan Atkinson and Stephen Fry, Blackadder's Christmas Carol
Can't forget the Emperor; LarryElvis may be the King, but...
.
Rep. Emanuel: "President Bush has reminded us time and again that freedom of religion is a fundamental American value. As such, I call on President Bush to be consistent and denounce Congressman Goode's intolerance."
This sort of weak shit is why politicians suck my ass.
People, Virgil Goode is a sick fucking asshole. Somebody needs to use their unique opportunity to get on the nation's airwaves and just call the guy out as a motherfucking scumbag who is a disgrace to the entire country and the Constitution.
I might add, of course, that taking one's oath of office while placing one's hand on a collection of worthless crap like the Koran or the the Bible or Torah is only slightly less appalling and disrespectful.
What the fuck is the matter with people?
Stunt Woman | 12.22.06 - 12:36 pm | #
Once again, may I mention that Lieberman, Reid, Mitt Romney and who knows who else--or who cares--that at a private ceremony, they probably use something OTHER than a Bible? It is absolutely no one's business. And yes, this is a punk answer from Emanuel. The Democrats should be able to do better.
and Wingnut heads explode in 3...2...1...
A documentary says French special forces had Osama bin Laden in their sights twice about three years ago but their U.S. superiors never ordered them to fire... "In 2003 and 2004 we had bin Laden in our sights. The sniper said 'I have bin Laden'," an anonymous French soldier is quoted as saying.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...12/22/62327/
856
That has got to be the most disturbing pic of pickles evah, WT
FireFox
Oh, I don't know about that ...
Joker, anyone?
I gotta get my act together and hit the grocery store for the makings of yummy Scotch Eggs.
Don't forget the HP Sauce!!
Re: Continental Airlines--When you give otherwise powerless folks (i.e., TSA screeners, etc) the power to be pricks
they will NOT disappoint...
WoodyG'sGuitar, rogue scholar
Nice summary of what an old friend calls the St. Peter Principle.
"Give a janitor a set of keys and he's alla sudden St. Peter."
Interesting...Duke rape charges dropped....a Friday bombshell of sorts:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061...s/
duke_lacrosse
Me thinks this prosecutor f'ed up...
-
Jeffraham--Curly will always be First Kitty.
Bo--you must need a drink. It's nearly 10 a.m.
(wings a pitcher of mimosas in Bo's direction) - Sallyh
What ever did my liver do to you that you want so badly to abuse it?
;^)
My parents were kick-ass atheists who found my agnosticism to be weak-kneed apostasy...
I just commented over at watertiger's place.
Actually, I have the same eye thing that Laurabot apparently has. Unless this was just a freak pic (no pun intended).
I just won't be photographed looking to my left.
Prof:
You heretic, you.
Actually, I have the same eye thing that Laurabot apparently has
you mean you have to go back to the secret basement lab in Kennebunkport to have your bolts tightened, too?
Actually, I have the same eye thing that Laurabot apparently has
you mean you have to go back to the secret basement lab in Kennebunkport to have your bolts tightened, too?
A documentary says French special forces had Osama bin Laden in their sights twice about three years ago but their U.S. superiors never ordered them to fire
You need orders to pull the trigger on Osama?
Interesting...Duke rape charges dropped....a Friday bombshell of sorts:
Kidnapping and sexual offense charges still stand, however.
My parents were kick-ass atheists who found my agnosticism to be weak-kneed apostasy...
ProfWombat
Atheism requires faith.
60 Mins did a segment on the Duke rape a while back.
Didn't look like the prosecution had a leg to stand on, even according to the second female dancer.
Bo--only thing that happened to me on this flight myself was that I had my makeup in a GALLON Ziploc. I was told that only QUART Ziplocs were appropriate. I laughed at the screener and said, get a fucking life.
Did they really let your GALLON baggie go through? I spend far too much time in airports, watching the TSA throw away a ridiculous variety of toiletries because (a) they're in the wrong size ziploc bag, or a sandwich bag with no zipper, or (b) the stuff in the bag is in (shudder) a 4-oz or 5-oz container rather than a 3-oz container. Most recent example, a nearly-finished tube of toothpaste. Clearly no more than a morsel left, but since it was a 4-oz tube (or something), it had to go.
Revenant: yup, it took courage for me, in my formative years, to put down my well-worn, dog-eared copy of the 22nd Communist Party Congress Proceedings and take my first steps into the light...
'Joker, anyone?"
--Sinfonian,
That is truly a strange-looking face. If you cover one side, then the other, it's like it's not even the same person. The right side of her face looks botox'ed or something.
you mean you have to go back to the secret basement lab in Kennebunkport to have your bolts tightened, too?
Jim
Maybe I should have been more specific ...
Giant squid filmed live
http://today.reuters.com/tv/
vide...also_on_reuters
~Sigh~
Just when Virginia was starting to rehabilitate its image by electing Webb . . . .
mer:
I prefer to cover both sides at the same time.
jezebel | 12.22.06 - 1:08 pm |
Yep, they really monitor it that closely. I saw gallon bags tossed, etc. ... at the Fort Lauderdale airport last time I was there, they actually had a stash of quart-size bags at security. First time I'd seen that.
Hecate: is 'Carry Me Back To Old Virginny' still the state song?
Giant squid filmed live
That's not such a big deal. Candy Crowley's on CNN all the time.
Hecate, will you be drinking from ice glasses tonight or was that last night?
Clearly no more than a morsel left, but since it was a 4-oz tube (or something), it had to go.
Anybody can make a lethal plane-exploding bomb from a 4 oz tube.
But it's nearly impossible from a 3 oz tube.
Some scientists appointed by President Bush did an anal ysis.
Yep, they really monitor it that closely. I saw gallon bags tossed, etc. ... at the Fort Lauderdale airport last time I was there, they actually had a stash of quart-size bags at security. First time I'd seen that.
I've been wondering how long it would take for someone to get a concession on that. You could charge people some ridiculous sum for one of those stupid baggies, and they'd pay it rather than lose all their personal stuff.
Joker? Wouldn't that be Two-Face?
Falstaff: true dat, and often unacknowledged on both sides...
The squid video made my week. I'm a bit of an Architeuthis-enthusiast.
So much for the light posting, eh?
Giant squid filmed live
Why did they kill it????
Anybody can make a lethal plane-exploding bomb from a 4 oz tube.
But it's nearly impossible from a 3 oz tube.
Some scientists appointed by President Bush did an anal ysis.
Far be it for me to question such Higher Wisdom.
Sqids at Christmas Time?
Bah!
Humbolt!
Joker, anyone?"
--Sinfonian,
You asked for it...
http://www.thumbsnap.com/v/4cJdVksv.jpg
mmmmmmmmmmmmm Humbolt
aaauuuuuugggghghghghghg
Why did they kill it????
Someone was jonesing for calamari fra diavolo -- a LOT of calamari fra diavolo.
Giant squid filmed live
http://today.reuters.com/tv/ vide...also_on_reuters
Filmed dead, too. 
And only a juvenile!
Hope no one noticed the missing "u".
The one right after the "q".
Yeah...that one.
Tolerance and plurality are the greatest weapons vs. idealogues.
Bush's ideal dialog of "they're not like us" and "they hate us for our freedoms" is like fuel to pour on fire.
The hundred year's war revisited. No wonder the neocons tried to ridicule the French for their frenchness.
Hope no one noticed the missing "u".
The one right after the "q".
Yeah...that one.
Revenant
I just chalked it up to the Humbolt and gave you a pass.
Why did they kill it????
It was unintentional, and it may be inevitable.
It's unkown as to whether the giant squid can survive for long in shallow depths (their bodies, of course, designed for the crushing pressure of the deep).
That Candy Crowley comment was teh funny.
*skulks off*
Hecate, will you be drinking from ice glasses tonight or was that last night?
Dear Erin,
Actually, we celebrated a day early, due to everyone's schedules, so we did that yesterday morning. You can buy molds for the glasses here. Schnapps at sunrise and then you have to break the glass!
Mr. Murder:
It's quotes like that which bring Fearless Leader's calls for tolerance to life, ain't it?
I knew I misspelled humboldt, but was in a hurry. At least I got sqid right.
I have a question: Can someone explain to me why Rahm Emmanuel was considered "brilliant" during the Clinton years? I never thought he was able to articulate his thoughts very well.
Atheism requires faith.
Falstaff
No.
Falstaff: true dat, and often unacknowledged on both sides...
ProfWombat
No.
Atheism requires faith.
Falstaff
No.
Falstaff: true dat, and often unacknowledged on both sides...
ProfWombat
No.
Vicki:
Apparently his genius lay in his innate ability to appear hopelessly vapid.
ProfWombat,
We're working on a new song:
For several years the Virginia General Assembly has been pondering the selection of a new state song for the Commonwealth. Virginia is now without an official song having "retired" Carry Me Back to Old Virginny and designating it as the "State Song Emeritus."
During the 2006 session of the Assembly for a time it appeared that the American classic Shenandoah would emerge as the "Interim State Song", but the effort sponsored by Senator Colgan, while passing the Senate, failed in a House committee.
In the late 1990's the General Assembly established a joint committee under the leadership of Senator Hanger to select a new state song.
JR: we must either agree to disagree, or you should weigh in with an argument with which I can engage, and from which I might learn.
oh goody--duke rape case redux
notengofuturo.blogspot.com
In the late 1990's the General Assembly established a joint committee under the leadership of Senator Hanger to select a new state song.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
My vote: "Only the Good[e] Die Young," Billy Joel:
Come out, Virginia, don't let me wait
You Catholic girls start much too late
Ah, but sooner or later it comes down to fate
I might as well be the one
on one hand having a moslem population base allows assistance to people up to no good- and don't kid yourself they exist- probably some very very white look Checheans on the prowl nobody suspects-
on the other hand one wants civil rights to be respected including freedom of religion- redneck kneejerk reactions add nothing to the conversation-
ntf:
That blog has no future.
neat, Hecate...I'll have to order some for next year.
Billmon comments on Madame Supertanker...
http://billmon.org/archives/002971.html
"This is a country that is worth the investment because once it emerges as a country that is a stabilizing factor, you'll have a very different kind of Middle East. And I know that from the point of view of not just monetary costs, but the sacrifice of American lives, a lot has been sacrificed for Iraq, a lot has been invested in Iraq."
Condoleezza Rice
I once made the analogy that in the imperialism business troops equal money, so I'm perhaps I'm not in the best position to criticize. But I was trying to sound cruel and heartless for sarcastic effect, while Condi appears to have been utterly sincere -- every bit as sincere as when she described Israel's air assault on Lebanon as the "birth pangs" of the new Middle East. (How's the baby doing, Condi?)
Maybe the simplest explanation is also the most accurate. Maybe Condi is just a cold, heartless bitch -- as morally numb and sociopathic as her office husband. But these kinds of comments could also simply reflect the incredibly sheltered life Madame Supertanker appears to have led, especially since she entered the pampered, intersecting worlds of the academic, national security and corporate elites.
There's a story from her childhood of young Condi practicing her piano in her comfortable middle-class home in Birmingham's "black bourgeois" neighborhood while her father -- himself no great friend of the civil rights movement -- stood guard over the house with a shotgun and Bull Connors' men blasted the demonstrators with firehouses downtown. I have no idea whether the story is true or not, but it certainly resonates with Condi's current public persona, which is -- not to put too fine a point on it -- detached to the point of catatonia.
Does Condi understand how many deaths, mutilations and wrecked lives lie behind her "investments" and "birth pangs"? Undoubtedly. Does she care? I don't know. But, from a public diplomacy point of view, it would behoove her to show some sign that she has an emotional connection to the rest of the human race -- or, if she doesn't, to at least pretend that she does.
I hate the word "tolerance"--just always seemed to be condescending, as in: "We'll put up with your wacky religion/different color skin, etc."
I have a question: Can someone explain to me why Rahm Emmanuel was considered "brilliant" during the Clinton years? I never thought he was able to articulate his thoughts very well.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 12.22.06 - 1:19 pm | #
he got vince foster's super powers
just always seemed to be condescending
It is, but it's a good first step.
"You Catholic girls start much too late"
Mr. Joel, evidently you don't know what I know
Marcuse, I think it was, used to talk of 'repressive tolerance'...
just always seemed to be condescending
It is, but it's a good first step.
Finny
Yeah, but it's presented as the goal.
on one hand having a moslem population base allows assistance to people up to no good- and don't kid yourself they exist
On the one hand, having a xian population base allows assistance to people up to no good -- and don't kid yourself; they exist.
See how ignorant you sound?
I think "tolerance is one of those words that have a somewhat subjective definition.
Some use it to mean barely put up with, while others mean it as unconditional acceptance.
Hey, I worked the entire post-lunch part of today on that blog!
...on one hand having an Irish population base allows assistance to people up to no good- and don't kid yourself they exist...
Fixed your typo...
For once, I agree with Rahm Emanuel.
Virgil Goode's name sounds like that of a Richard Brinsley Sheridan character..
ProfWombat
Virgil Caine/Virgil Goode is my name...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D...h?
v=DDU2fEqUVaY
ntf:
I know you know I was snarking.
Vicki:
Apparently his genius lay in his innate ability to appear hopelessly vapid.
Revenant
Well, that and his ability to squeeze millions of dollars of campaign donations out of the right people, if you catch my drift.
"If there's so much disagreement right now, this is going to be very, very difficult to bring coherence within his own government before he goes to the public."
Not to detract from the post of this thread, but in catching up, the following line gave me a bit of a chill.
"If there's so much disagreement right now, this is going to be very, very difficult to bring coherence within his own government before he goes to the public."
In conjunction with the rest of the post below, I have to wonder who actually is in control of the government at the moment.
"Let's begin with Secretary Gates. He says that he won't be shaped by politics. "
Is he telling us, goverment personnel, generals or is he telling Bush? And if so, is there anything else outside of choosing the Xmas decorations that Bush can effectively determine and guide. Reading Gates line, if considered a statement from a new office manager in a business, would telegraph to the employees that they can pretty much ignore what effective head of the office has to say.
Talk about a subtle coup.
Would that be the right people on the left?
JR: we must either agree to disagree, or you should weigh in with an argument with which I can engage, and from which I might learn.
ProfWombat
You agreed with an unsupported assertion. Perhaps you'd like to present an argument supporting your positition.
How can a lack of faith be faith? That's just glib, not an argument.
Atheism requires faith.
Falstaff
I can not prove that fairies do not exist. Therefore not believing in fairies requires faith.
Oops, not sure how I doubled up that quote.
Of course fairies exist. Don't be silly.
Few things in life can touch the wingnutty hilarity provided by the NRA's new graphic novel.
Unreal.
"Of course fairies exist. Don't be silly.
Dr. Barmpot Shouty-Crackers"
What the hell is wrong with this place.
First it was Elves.
Then it was Munchkins.
Now it's fairies.
Fickle.
Of course fairies exist.
SOMEONE keeps drinking the offerings I leave out for them -- and it's not me or Miss Thing.
JR, i believe what the Prof is saying is that in the case of something unprovable, the person who believes has faith and you also have faith that you are right.
Hecate:
It's Miss Universe.
Sorry! Stop throwing stuff!
Atheism requires faith.
"Atheism is a religion in the same way that baldness is a hair color."
This whole question is largely driven by semantics and word-smithing, but to me, this is a good reason why I feel Flagstaff's statement is incorrect:
Atheism does not require faith because it is simply a lack of a specific kind of belief. Atheism only exists because some people make claims; they claim there is a god, and it's like this, this, or this. The atheist simply rejects the claim. When someone comes along and says that the atheist has a belief-that god does not exist-they are incorrect because they misunderstand what atheism is. As I discussed above, this assertion that god does not exist, while held by many atheists, is not the definition of atheism itself but is an extension of the lack of belief. (Source: http://www.dangeroustalk.net/dt-...theist-04.html)
Firefox:
I believe you've put your finger on it.
I suppose now would not be the time to make a fairy joke, right?
I actually started a fairy book. I gave it up: too strange for an old man
I don't want to hear about fairies.
My surname rhymes with "fairy."
Elementary school was so much fun.
SOMEONE keeps drinking the offerings I leave out for them -- and it's not me or Miss Thing.
Hecate
THAT'S why my minions keep coming home drunk.
DWD you are not old.
ErinPDX, you still hanging around?
Atheism does not require faith because it is simply a lack of a specific kind of belief.
I thought that was more like being agnostic. Agnostics don't know, don't care, while atheists believe affirmatively that there is no deity.
Do you think "The Fairie Queen" was prescient?
One must also remember that shortly after the 'troubles' began in Alabama, SoS Rice's father packed the family up and moved to Colorado.
Dave J,
Thanks for the laugh.
I call on President Bush to sacrifice his daughters to Ba'al so that the crops will be bountiful in the Spring.
JR, i believe what the Prof is saying is that in the case of something unprovable, the person who believes has faith and you also have faith that you are right.
Doc's meaning was pretty obvious to me.
ErinPDX, you still hanging around?
mostly lurking as I hop from one task to another
"I call on President Bush to sacrifice his daughters to Ba'al so that the crops will be bountiful in the Spring.
Ba'al "
On the other hand, it could bring on a brazen and out of control blight that requires a taxi ride home in the early morning hours.
What the Rabid Racists are spamming all over the place today:
Prosecutors dropped rape charges Friday against three Duke University lacrosse players accused of attacking a stripper at a team party,
What they're desperately hoping you don't notice:
Prosecutors dropped rape charges Friday against three Duke University lacrosse players accused of attacking a stripper at a team party, but the three still face kidnapping and sexual offense charges, a defense attorney said.
ErinPDX,
I will get going WHEN the cinnamon rolls finally are through with their last raising and cooking and get the book(s) (I usually include the little horror book for free) in the mail.
Any music you want, this is something I do just for fun? (If not you are liable to get a bunch of folk thrown your way)
Of course fairies exist
This is the problem with materialism. People stop believing God, and then pretty soon they're questioning fairies.
On the other hand, it could bring on a brazen and out of control blight that requires a taxi ride home in the early morning hours.
EkCentriK |
oooooh yeah, i'll have one of those
JR, i believe what the Prof is saying is that in the case of something unprovable, the person who believes has faith and you also have faith that you are right.
FireFox
1) Proof is for mathematics and alcohol. You can't prove that the Earth is not flat, either.
2) Does that mean that a round Earther is operating on faith?
JR, i believe what the Prof is saying is that in the case of something unprovable, the person who believes has faith and you also have faith that you are right.
FireFox
1) Proof is for mathematics and alcohol. You can't prove that the Earth is not flat, either.
2) Does that mean that a round Earther is operating on faith?
Toss another GOP criminal on the pile...
Congressional aide admits trying to hire hackers -- to boost his college GPA
"The communications director for Montana's lone congressman solicited the services of two men he falsely believed to be criminally minded hackers-for-hire -- with the expressed goal of jacking up his college GPA -- during an exchange that spanned 22 e-mails over two weeks this past summer.
Todd Shriber, 28-year-old press aide to U.S. Rep. Denny Rehberg, R-Mont., e-mailed the security Web site attrition.org on Aug. 9, writing: "I need to urgently make contact with a hacker that would be interested in doing a one-time job for me. The pay would be good. I'm not sure what exactly the job would entail with respect to computer jargon, but I can go into rough detail upon making contact with a candidate."
After initially denying knowledge of the exchange, Shriber told me this afternoon in the final of our three phone conversations: "I did something that's greatly out of character for me and it's a mistake that I regret."
Of course fairies exist
And they wear boots.
Of course fairies exist
And they wear boots.
billy b - mr. hooker sir john
I saw it, i saw it with my own two eyes...
Merry Christmas!
The Borg branch office is now closed for the holidays. Re-opening, 9th January.
JR, kerosene and a match
I'm not disagreeing with you, i'm an atheist as well. I could just see how ProfW could support his statement.
My example for differentiating agnostics and atheists:
Beliver: "There is a God."
Atheist: "I reject that statement as a truth."
Agnostic: "You have no way to know that."
Strictly speaking, neither HAVE to say "There definitely is no GOD." Some may choose to do so of course.
http://www.eskimo.com/~cwj2/chan...sm/
athafaq.html
There is a great deal of misunderstanding about the meanings of the terms atheism and agnosticism. Despite the claims of many, especially nominal agnostics, agnosticism does not mean that one does not know whether or not god/s exist or that one allows the possibility of god/s but is waiting for evidence. Agnosticism specifically means the epistemological position that the ultimate cause of the Universe is unknown and unknowable. As such, it is not mutually exclusive with either theism or atheism. In fact, the majority of those who identify themselves as agnostics are also weak atheists.
Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. An atheist does not necessarily assert positively that gods do not exist; in fact, such are in the minority of the atheist community. Most atheists are either weak toward all gods, or else weak toward gods in general and strong against some specific gods (such as the Judeo-Christian-Islamic omniomnibus god concept).
A good quick test on whether you are an agnostic and whether you are an atheist is to ask yourself the following questions:
Do I believe that I could one day know more or less for sure whether or not god/s exist?
Do I believe that a god exists? ("I don't know" counts as "no")
If you answered "no" to number one, you are an agnostic. If you answered "no" to number two, you are an atheist.
Agnostics don't know, don't care, while atheists believe affirmatively that there is no deity.
True Jezebel, but it is also true that a lot of so-called agnostics believe in things like "God is in everything", or "God is something you can't understand, and doesn't intervene in human affairs or respond to prayers, sacrifices, or rituals". Actually, there are a lot of people who go to churches on occasion who believe something resembling the above. These are firm beliefs, and they are essentially atheistic, since the thing being described is nothing at all like a god in the standard religious sense. If a god is not personified, does not respond to humans, and does not intervene in our affairs, it might as well be a folk version of string theory.
1) Proof is for mathematics and alcohol.
Hmmm. Nice sweeping generalization there, home skillet. You familiar with numismatics?
You can't prove that the Earth is not flat, either.
Please.
DWD - cool! Hey, how about sending me two books, I want to give one to dad. But please don't fight crowds at the post office...I can wait until it is a good time for you to go down there.
I know I like to diss Dylan but I really like folk...Kingston Trio, PPM, etc. But I'm also a big jazz fan, old stuff to new...
Gotcher ROI right here, Condi.
After initially denying knowledge of the exchange, Shriber told me this afternoon in the final of our three phone conversations: "I did something that's greatly out of character for me and it's a mistake that I regret."
Nim, ham hock of liberty
He didn't say "I'm sorry."
Am currently attempting to warm upstairs full bath by using exhaust fan to suck warm air into the room, but I don't think it's working.
If a god is not personified, does not respond to humans, and does not intervene in our affairs, it might as well be a folk version of string theory.
Ba'al
I had to see that posted again.
I am both agnostic and athiest, but I hope that there is a God(s) and an afterlife. I'm not expecting either, though.
To describe the scene at Heathrow, the Evening Standard described it, on its cover, as "Freezing Hell."
I'm guessing the quality inside the newspaper reflects the quality of the cover.
plantsman, those fans don't move enough air....cut the shower on hot for a few with the door closed
The comments by Dissento, Richard and others about atheism and agnosticism are of course correct.
I actually think that a lot of what passes in certain circles as monotheism is more like a blend of atheism or agnosticism, since the God being professed is so vague as to be meaningless. I see this among Reform Jews, some Episcopalians, Unitarians -- hell, I even knew a Jesuit priest like this.
So why bother?
There's apparently more nuance to the atheist and agnostic labels, and more overlap between them, than I had appreciated.
If the atheists and agnostics would just organize themselves into clearly-defined groups, and publish an unequivocal statement of what they do and do not believe in, and come up with a list of what it takes to join their group, this would all be much easier. Then they could start demanding tolerance, and official holidays, and all sorts of things.
Speaking of membership requirements (well, I was at least), I just found out I need a certificate of eligibility, or some such thing, to be a godmother to my new nephew. And in order to get it, I'm either going to have to get confirmed (Catholic-style), or lie about it. Which doesn't sound like a good way to start off my spiritual stewardship of the Little Man. Still, the Catholic Church being what it is, I presume there's a loophole somewhere I can exploit, for the right price.
an athiesm thread?
hmmm.
on good days, i am a complete athiest.
on bad days, i think that there may be a god and he is one sick sadistic bastard.
On June 27, 1982 astronaut Ken Mattingly took his own Acorn Slipper-Socks into space on the Shuttle.
By the next Shuttle mission, in November of that year, NASA had outfitted all the astronauts with them.
jezebel , surely you can tithe your way around that
on bad days, i think that there may be a god and he is one sick sadistic bastard.
There have been times where I have said, "I hope there actually is a God, because I'd like to kick him in the nuts."
Oh heavens, my beliefs are probably closer to agnostic than to the Roman Catholic faith I profess to be a part of.
jezebel , surely you can tithe your way around that
I have no doubt. I could get a letter from the Prada Pope himself if I were willing to bankroll it.
Most times I'm an atheist; but when I consider all the brilliant things like coffee, chocolate, andharmonious food combinations, etc. that have occured on Earth, I get a little squishy.
These are firm beliefs, and they are essentially atheistic, since the thing being described is nothing at all like a god in the standard religious sense.
No, it is a description of Deism, which was quite popular mduring the Enlightenment.
ErinPDX,
MP3 disks okay?
Jezebel
Good idea. Here is my first daraft of your suggested manifesto:
Hereafter, we proclaim that Atheists do not believe in Gods. (Except Ba'al).
We probalm that Agnostics aren't sure (except about Ba'al).
Speaking of membership requirements (well, I was at least), I just found out I need a certificate of eligibility, or some such thing, to be a godmother to my new nephew. And in order to get it, I'm either going to have to get confirmed (Catholic-style), or lie about it. Which doesn't sound like a good way to start off my spiritual stewardship of the Little Man. Still, the Catholic Church being what it is, I presume there's a loophole somewhere I can exploit, for the right price.
jezebel
True story:
When my son was born (and I was stilla sort of practicing Catholic)I wanted a Protestant to be his Godfather (the chosen Godmother was Catholic). In making the arrangements at the church for the Baptism, I dutifully informed the priest that I chose this man but didn't know if it was okay with the church. His answer was, if anyone asked, just say he was Catholic.
In other words, lie.
It was shortly after this and for many other reasons that I began to question religion, and have been happy these many years as a nontheist.
1) Proof is for mathematics and alcohol. You can't prove that the Earth is not flat, either.
that's actually not hard if you accept the axiom of observable existance.
otherwise, what difference does it make?
At the moment, I'm less concerned about feeding my soul than I am about feeding my mortal self. I've got a fierce desire to bake, for some reason. Trying to find something to satisfy the urge which is also reasonably diet-friendly. I just found a recipe for pumpkin-cinnamon streusel buns which just might do the trick....
If Jezebel is the Godmother, do we have to start wearing carnations to chat with her?
Still, the Catholic Church being what it is, I presume there's a loophole somewhere I can exploit, for the right price.
jezebel - 1:49 pm
lying to an institution which is founded upon and constructed of a fabic of lies about a ritual of obeisance cannot be considered anything other than playing by the rules, Jez...
./
Congressional aide admits trying to hire hackers -- to boost his college GPA
Vile and stupid.
Deism and atheism are much closer to the same thing than is immediately apparent.
At the Southern Baptist Church, they gave little kids orange juice and saltines to keep them in Sunday School; at the Unitarian Church, westudied cat feti in formalin in glass jars, and there were no food bribes.
Joe Lieberman can fuck off and die.
Freedom of Religion means NOTHING if it does not mean Freedom from Religion.
That the earth is not flat is supported both by theory and observation. It's easy, moreover, to conceive of an observation that would disprove the notion that the earth is flat, or, for that matter, round. Proving the earth is round isn't the issue. The flatness, or not, of the earth is a proposition of a different character, therefore, than 'There is a God, though He be silent these days', or 'There is no God'.
Fuck.
My son just got a call from his best friend who told him his mother died in her sleep last night.
Mid 40's. Damnit.
You can't prove that the Earth is not flat, either.
Please.
billy b
You can't "prove" anything at all. It's the argument from solipsism.
Technically, "agnosticism" is a statement about knowledge ("a" + "gnostic"). An agnostic claims no knowledge of God. It is quitre possibel to claim agnosticism as a knowledge postition and still believe in a god, or be an atheist, because belief, and athiesm, are not statements of knowledge.
Enjoy:
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Joe Lieberman can fuck off and die.
Freedom of Religion means NOTHING if it does not mean Freedom from Religion.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
More to the point, Virgil Goode can fuck off and die as well.
That's terrible news, billy b
Observe the Earth from space, and it is readily apparent The Moustache of Understanding is FLAT WRONG.
His answer was, if anyone asked, just say he was Catholic.
Ah, dearie, you didn't realise. Most mainstream Protestants have had the Order of Baptism that welcomes the individual as a member of the "holy catholic church". Small "c" of course.
Mid 40's. Damnit.
billy b - mr. hooker sir john - 1:57 pm
life is fragile, at best...
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I'm an agnostic militant apathetic.
I don't know if there is a God, and frankly I don't give a fuck if there is or is not.
Along the lines of symbolism, Jung belief, the value of various schools of faith reflect similar metaphysical origins.
Power's manifest forms in solar or astral bodies attach meaning to personal experience in the direct physical realm one lives. Often as a way to provide continuance these examples in stories take mythic quality and apply it to the first oral traditions of society.
Later written accounts simply reflect an expanding view of this reinforced tribal model.
Linguistic and symbolic fields will find a convergence somewhere along these social lines.
In time this will be a uniform observation of humans and their capacity to spiritually and intellectually evolve.
Dying in one's sleep is a particularly nice way to go, even if those left behind are inconsolable.
If you don't believe NTodd's blog exists, does that make you an agnostic or an atheist about it?
I used to be a radical agnostic " I don't know and you don't either"
Hereafter, we proclaim that Atheists do not believe in Gods. (Except Ba'al).
We probalm that Agnostics aren't sure (except about Ba'al).
Witness the wisdom of the one true deity.
*sacrifices a minor member of the Bush clan to Ba'al*
In other words, lie.
Shaw, I've always been impressed by how bold the Catholic Church is when it comes to getting flexible with the truth and selling favors for the right price. That's the basis of my religious upbringing as well, and most of my family members are actively practicing Catholics. They have no qualms about being highly selective when it comes to which portions of Catholicism they accept, and which they politely ignore. It doesn't make much sense to me, but it seems to work for them.
well, i'll be damned.
Indeed.
The gnostic gospels did not appear in My Weekly Reader, as far as I know.
Well, I gotta go gang.
I can't believe this shit. While my son's friends parents weren't the best of friends, they were good aquaintances.
Ahhhhh, fuck. What a crock of shit.
Patton allegedly visited the miraculous chapel at Lourdes whilst liberating it.
viewing the array of crutches, wheel-chairs, glasses, etc, left behind by the penitents, he is said to have remarked:
Lots of crutches, no artificial limbs?
I can prove the earth is not flat, the same way the Greeks did -- simply watch a sail boat recede from sight as it moves past the horizon and notice that the bottom of the boat dissapears before the mast.
If you don't believe NTodd's blog exists, does that make you an agnostic or an atheist about it?
Atheist. You are agnostic if you will admit the possibility that Maple Syrup Boy actually has a blog.
so sorry, billy b.
and for your son and his friend as well.
Very sorry to hear the sad news, Billy B.
for the record, i deny the existance of the holy spirit.
see y'all in hell.
sorry, billy b
simply watch a sail boat recede from sight as it moves past the horizon and notice that the bottom of the boat dissapears before the mast.
Ba'al | Homepage | 12.22.06 - 2:01 pm | #
the horizen sucks.
save me a seat, Dirk...preferably near the internet connection
save me a seat, Dirk...preferably near the internet connection
The internet connection in hell is a 2400 baud modem.
save me a seat, Dirk...preferably near the internet connection
FireFox |
i'm using firewire.
In High School, I went to a Catholic High School for an "Ecumenical Day." In the first religion class I attended, a girl with a wax prosthetic arm and hand asked how I felt about the fact that, as a non-Catholic, I was surely going to hell. The nun/teacher grinned amiably.
Mentioning Jung on this thread is a type of application of Godwin's Law.
The internet connection in hell is a 2400 baud modem.
The Kenosha Kid
AAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!
If Jezebel is the Godmother, do we have to start wearing carnations to chat with her?
You can skip the carnations, but be prepared if someday I ask you for a favor.
Most mainstream Protestants have had the Order of Baptism that welcomes the individual as a member of the "holy catholic church". Small "c" of course.
Dr. Barmpot Shouty-Crackers
That used to confuse the heck out of me when I visited the Lutheran members of my family's church, before I was old enough to understand that the word had other meanings than not-Protestant.
I was using atheism to describe not merely an absence of belief in God, but an affirmative belief that there is no God. The latter, which more accurately reflect the views of the vast majority of self-described atheists I have known, including my family, is a position which requires faith, as it cannot be proven or disproven by conceivable observation. The former, which does not involve belief at all, requires neither faith nor evidence. Agnosticism, which holds that one of necessity cannot know whether or not God exists, seems to me reasonable until more information comes along...
well, that's it for me. time to pack and head for the airport.
if it turns out i'm wrong and there is a god, i hope it has a sense of humor. otherwise it is going to be a rough flight.
On that cheery note, I'm off to get ingredients for pumpkin-cinnamon streusel buns. And maybe something to make for dinner. Ciao, batties.
That the earth is not flat is supported both by theory and observation. It's easy, moreover, to conceive of an observation that would disprove the notion that the earth is flat, or, for that matter, round. Proving the earth is round isn't the issue. The flatness, or not, of the earth is a proposition of a different character, therefore, than 'There is a God, though He be silent these days', or 'There is no God'.
ProfWombat
You are operating on faith by believeing that there is anything to be percieved by your untrustworthy sense. Which may or not exist themselves.
the religious white needs to stop the theological apartheid hood ornament to get top 1 percent economic policies passed by mouth-breathers voting against Arabs, Mexicans and gays
This life is as much of heaven and hell as i prob'ly can stand:
i got to spend 4 years in Santa Barbara, CA, in the early '80s, when you could still live there without a 6-figure income...
which is as close to heaven as i ver expect to get...
on the other hand, i also spent 6 years in Norman, OK...and i'll say no more about it, except that nowhere have i ever met so many narrow-minded, mean-spirited, bigoted, xenophobic pricks in one place, evah...
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You are operating on faith by believeing that there is anything to be percieved by your untrustworthy sense. Which may or not exist themselves.
I suggest we simply revert back to more grounded in science controversies, like how many angels can dance the head of a pin.
Next we'll be arguing about whether A is A or not, and I don't think we want to go there.
Asked whether he thought Goode was a bigot, Ellison said, ''I don't know the fellow, and I'd rather just say that he has a lot to learn about Islam. ... I don't want to start any name-calling.''
Then let me do the name-calling.
Goode is a bigot. And a scumbag. And an asshole. And a Nazi. And a pile of shit.
i also spent 6 years in Norman, OK
never been there, but I'm sure I know exactly what it's like
JR@2:08: admittedly, but as long as it works, I'll keep doing it, and I choose not to consider myself solipsistic by so doing. Eventually when I go through the demarcation problem, epistemology and all that, I always wind up with that great philosopher of science, Damon Runyon, who said that, while the race is not always to the swift nor the contest of strength to the strong, that's the way to bet...
Next we'll be arguing about whether A is A or not, and I don't think we want to go there.
If we do, we'll definitely need supplies, of the herbal variety.
I also remember that one of the first plastic (rather than Bakelite) items I ever saw was my father's Army-issue brownish concave rectangular hairbrush with black 1/2" bristles. Far more brush than either of us needed by adulthood.
Asked whether he thought Goode was a bigot, Ellison said, "I don't know the fellow, and I'd rather just say that he has a lot to learn about Islam. ... I don't want to start any name-calling."
I acknowledged and recognized Rep.-elect Ellison for taking the high road.
Next we'll be arguing about whether A is A or not, and I don't think we want to go there.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Oh, that one's easy.
A = A is a tautology, not an argument.
In high school, the local Rabbi and one of the Catholic priests decided to have their respective youth groups get together one day. This was a small college town in the midwest, and even then I did not believe in god, but did believe in lox and bagels, not easy to get those days in Iowa.
I went to this thing. Met a very hot Catholic girl and spent the better part of the next three months learning a great deal about sex. A victory for ecumeniciscm.
A = A is a tautology, not an argument.
You want room 12A next door.
If we do, we'll definitely need supplies, of the herbal variety.
jezebel
fortunatley for me, i'm going home in 20...I'm prepared
I'm learning to recognize the queasy feeling of sub-100 blood glucose count; and today, I'm gonna eat lunch early to reverse it.
ProfWombat,
are you agnostic about fairies?
DWD sure
Billy B - I'm so sorry!!!!!
The internet connection in hell is a 2400 baud modem. - The Kenosha Kid
Through AOL only.
oh hell no, not that, too
Richard: no evidence for 'em. Show me one, and I'll believe in 'em. Meanwhile, their existence would require that the world be a materially different place than the one I observe, so I'm led to hold that they probably aren't about. I guess that means I don't believe in fairies...
admittedly, but as long as it works, I'll keep doing it, and I choose not to consider myself solipsistic by so doing. Eventually when I go through the demarcation problem, epistemology and all that, I always wind up with that great philosopher of science, Damon Runyon, who said that, while the race is not always to the swift nor the contest of strength to the strong, that's the way to bet...
ProfWombat
Well, atheists "bet" that there is no God.
There is nothing to support the notion of any such beastie, so why subscribe to such a belief?
I bet you don't beleive in Zeus, Odin, Kali Ma, Amatseru, etc.
Believers are atheists, too. I just believe in at least one less god.
I like that Blogger is simple. I really don't need tags and all the other stuff that people think are cool.
Indeed.
Why is it that tech geek types (and the marketing asshats who are really behind this crap) insist on adding "features" that no one ever asked for, except for ubergeek dipshits totally disconnected from reality like, oh, I don't know, Bill Gates?
What is wrong with just the written word itself on the screen? Hyperlinks of course are quite cool and I see no problem with them, but pretty soon you start piling features on that frankly NEVER GET USED because they're so esoteric and detatched from what is actually important.
OK, this is my late rant of the day. Carry on.
Auto troll ignore would be a nice feature.
The internet connection in hell is a 2400 baud modem. - The Kenosha Kid
Through AOL only.
bo
And has Mike McCurry for customer support.
Asked whether he thought Goode was a bigot, Ellison said, "I don't know the fellow, and I'd rather just say that he has a lot to learn about Islam.
Except that Goode doesn't need to learn anything about Islam, nor do I, nor does anybody else to understand why Goode is an asshole. The issue isn't about what Islam stands for. It's about Goode being a sick fucking prick.
I wonder why Ellison wants to make the issue about Goode's ignorance of Islam? Oh yeah, cuz those are HIS favorite imaginary stories.
What a fucked up society we live in.
With regards to my own atheist position (strong vs. weak), this bit from the text I quoted earlier basically sums it up...
"weak toward gods in general and strong against some specific gods (such as the Judeo-Christian-Islamic omniomnibus god concept)."
Remember, Bill Gates thinks its cool that his HOUSE
can play customized music according to his guests tastes. That's more co-dependent than I ever wanna be.
WHY in the name of all that's noodly do I read the Media Matters box! Now I am really pissed.
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JR@2:20: went through it for Richard with respect to fairies a little to the north. I believe less in a personifiable deity, complete with white hair, a beard and like that, than I do in, say, a Spinozistic type god, but in neither case can I hold they don't exist.
And it's 'one fewer god', not 'one less god', since gods, as you've written about them, are countable. Needless grammatical pedantry at no additional charge; you can thank me later...
In the first religion class I attended, a girl with a wax prosthetic arm and hand asked how I felt about the fact that, as a non-Catholic, I was surely going to hell. The nun/teacher grinned amiably.
That sounds like something out of a Flannery O'Connor story.
O'Reilly speaks of Fitty Cent, but will not utter Olbermann's name! Sheesh.
OK, another late rant of the day, and it's directed square at Atrios.
What is this "McCain/Lieberman War" you speak of?
"The War" right now is the Deserting Coward's little war, admittedly with minor shitnozzles like McCain and Lieberman aiding and abetting.
Let us never forget who really got us into this mess, and who is bound and determined to plop the whole pile of shit on whoever gets elected to take over the Oval Office in 2008.
Richard: no evidence for 'em. Show me one, and I'll believe in 'em. Meanwhile, their existence would require that the world be a materially different place than the one I observe, so I'm led to hold that they probably aren't about. I guess that means I don't believe in fairies...
I say exactly the same thing when it comes to gods.
It felt like something out of Flannery O'Connor; of whom I was at that time unaware.
I just sent an e-mail to Norway.
I hope the tubes go that far.
Agnosticism, which holds that one of necessity cannot know whether or not God exists, seems to me reasonable until more information comes along...
# of fraudulent claims of God-granted miracles alleged by religious charlatans: too many to count
# of documented miracles: zero
There's all the information you need.
Richard@2:27: well, that's sort of what I thought you were getting at; don't disagree with you much, once we get past the labels we've been taught...
I believe... that I will wish all a happy holidays, as I am offline for a few days.
Donald Trump says Rosie's a loser and has always been a loser. Trump says Rosie is unattractive from every conceivable standpoint. Trump says it will be easy to take money out of her big fat ass.
A small point: If there are NO documented miracles, how can there be so many Saints?
I'm up out this beeeotch. See y'all niggas lata, ya heard?
Asked whether he thought Goode was a bigot, Ellison said, "I don't know the fellow, and I'd rather just say that he has a lot to learn about Islam.
Well, Keith, he's in the same group pf 435 people to which you beling.
he's a tall, skinny, horse-faced, white dude.
and he talks with one of those thick, cracker accents.
when you meet him, be shure to shove a Qu'ran up his ass, would ya?
/
Donald Trump says Rosie's a loser and has always been a loser. Trump says Rosie is unattractive from every conceivable standpoint. Trump says it will be easy to take money out of her big fat ass.
I hope both of these retards pummell themselves into permanent cultural irrelevancy.
Donald Trump, until he has learned not to shout at television cameras, should say very little about
anyone.
Trump says when people lie he goes after them. Trump says if people told the truth in this country we wouldn't be in Iraq. Trump says he's on the cover of the Forbes 400. Trump says Rosie lied when she said Trump went bankrupt 2 or 3 times. Trump says he went to Wharton and Rosie is neither smart or talented. .....
The first time I liked a girl, and the girl liked me back, and we held hands, it was a miracle, nothing less, though I didn't believe in god anymore because it happened...
A small point: If there are NO documented miracles, how can there be so many Saints?
Martyrs
'NYT' Sunday Preview: Sen. Jim Webb Says Story on Rift With Bush 'Emanated from the White House'
http://
www.editorandpublisher.co...t_id=1003524724
NEW YORK In an interview with Deborah Solomon that will appear in this Sunday's New York Times Magazine, the newly-elected U.S. senator from Virginia, Jim Webb, discusses his recent widely-publicized exchange with President Bush over an Iraq pullout.
At a recent White House reception the president had asked about Webb's son, who is serving in Iraq. Webb suggested that troops should start coming home from Iraq, and Bush snapped back, "I didn't ask you that."
Webb calls the coverage of that "vastly overblown" but adds: "I think what I said was appropriate." He also stated, "This was something that emanated from the White House. I did not say anything about this for two weeks. I said nothing publicly at all."
So why did the White House push the issue? "Probably as an attempt to try to define me between the election and the beginning of the Congress," Webb replied "And that's all I am going to say."
Trump says Rosie has at best an average IQ.
"A small point: If there are NO documented miracles, how can there be so many Saints?"
A good draft, wonderful pay and tons of incentives per game.
The first time a girl I kinda liked as friend passionately kissed me, I knew I was gay.
A small point: If there are NO documented miracles, how can there be so many Saints?
The Saints have the same number of players as every other football team.
Donald Trump says Rosie's a loser and has always been a loser. Trump says Rosie is unattractive from every conceivable standpoint. Trump says it will be easy to take money out of her big fat ass.
As The Donald flew from New York to his Florida digs last night, and got on the phone to talk to Larry King, I lamented that there were no terrorist types armed with Stinger SAMs along The Donald's flight path to put that worthless parasite out of our misery as a wonderful holiday gift.
Digby, from last night, case you haven't already, quoting Newsweek at length.
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White House insiders say Bush is counting on Rove, who is the president's main political adviser and deputy chief of staff, to define "common ground" in dealing with the Democrats who now control Congress. In Rove's view, that means the White House shouldn't stray too far from the conservative base and should continue making policy from the political right–and not give too much ground to the Democrats. Rove argues privately that the Dems should also reach out to the White House and that Bush shouldn't do most of the compromising. One of Rove's theories is that the Democrats can be maneuvered into a series of difficult choices next year as they try to enact their legislative agenda and pass the federal budget.
The central choice, according to Rove, will be to cut spending or raise taxes. If congressional Democrats cut spending, their liberal base will be alienated. If they raise taxes, rank-and-file voters will be unhappy. GOP insiders suspect that Rove also had a big hand in distancing Bush from the Iraq Study Group because he believed the bipartisan panel was too critical of current Iraq policy. Rove, insiders say, believes that victory is still achievable and that Bush should pursue it as vigorously as he can. The president made those points at his news conference today.
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Democrats better define the flippin' "common ground" as having the given that the Bush Adminstration is incompetent and criminal and that it is Legislators who are intent on preventing the further erosion of our country by the miserable shits and its restoration to policies of sanity and reality are the Legislators they will work with. The shitwits get to stand in the corner wearing wingnut hats. (Design to be determined)
Trump says Rosie's magazine failed, her television show failed, she's uglier in person than she is on Tv, she will destroy the View, and nobody likes her.
Godless blogging = pantless blogging.
Tautology or argumentative?
Jim Webb's message discipline is super-human.
I can't wait for him to take office.
Bartender, a round of Seething Webbs for all my friends here... although I have to be going.
If you're into math at all, Euler's formula e**(pi)(i) + 1 = 0 is a miracle...
but in neither case can I hold they don't exist.
And again we come back to the fact that you are arguing from the impossibility of proving a negative, not from any kind of positive position. You can't prove that fairies don't exist either, for the same reasons, yet you have chosen not to believe in them. According to your own argument, your disbelief in fairies is a faith.
Trump says Rosie's magazine failed, her television show failed, she's uglier in person than she is on Tv, she will destroy the View, and nobody likes her.
Except for the last point (which is false), these are just objective truths. Trivia, really.
Trump says Rosie has at best an average IQ.
kean
That would explain his unseemly jealousy.
SteveLG: perhaps a glass of Armagnac before you go?
Donald Trump makes a lousy waspish queen.
/just sayin'
Trump says Rosie's a slob that talks like a truck driver. He says her magazine was a disaster for which she was sued.
Rosie left her magazine as it failed.
A small point: If there are NO documented miracles, how can there be so many Saints?
If there were no WMD, how could Colin Powell have presented all that "evidence" for them in front of the UN back in 2003?
Excuse me, but why in all that is supposedly holy, not that it is because that could be simple superstition mixing things up, but at least in the revered aspect of life, unless of course you hold nothing in esteem
is anyone talking about Trump and Rosie. At this point, I declare us a failed species if this keeps up.
Trump says it's a lie that he ever went bankrupt. Trump says nobody's going to tell lies about his prowess as a businessman.
Oh, and for the record, I do not care if Rosie lives or dies.
Since it is impossible to prove a negative, I choose not to expend wasted effort in the attempt. Carl Hempel once pointed out that every non-black non-swan can be viewed as additional confirmation that all swans are white, a proposition universally held until the black swans were observed in Australia...
"If there were no WMD, how could Colin Powell have presented all that "evidence" for them in front of the UN back in 2003?
Richard "
Unamerica
Appeaser
Surrender monkey
DFH
Commie
Pinko
and so forth.
WGG is the Saint of Eschaton links.
Trump says it's a lie that he ever went bankrupt. Trump says nobody's going to tell lies about his prowess as a businessman.
kean | 12.22.06 - 2:38 pm | #
Might be semantics, he has never went personally bankrupt. His companies however.....
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SteveLG: perhaps a glass of Armagnac before you go?
ProfWombat
One of my wine vendors just left me a present of a teeny little bottle of grappa... I'd be ill-advised to tap into that today.
I was also given a bottle of Marc de Chateauneuf du Pape, which is an absolutely ethereal brandy. I need to cultivate a much more special life to have the occasion to open that.
But I'm working on it...
Oh, and it is not even remotley possible that I can care any less now than any time in the future about anything that asshole Trump has to say about anything.
rosie does not wear a toupee nor date beautiful blondes.
wtf is wrong with her?
A=A is pretty sound Darth.
Oh, and for the record, I do not care if Rosie lives or dies. -Apprentice to Darth Holden
Schrodinger has his cat, AtDH has his media personality.
A small point: If there are NO documented miracles, how can there be so many Saints?
just show me one regrown limb...
izzat so hard, if you're God?
just one measeley regrown limb...
a finger, a toe? donald trumps dick? anything...
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SteveLG: don't care for grappa myself, but anytime you want to share the Marc, you give a holler...
A=A is pretty sound Darth.
euphronius
No no no!
Not A=A, A is A is the issue!
just show me one regrown limb...
We expect stem cell research to eventually avenue just such opportunities...
haloscan's getting senile again. Remember my name, dammit.
donald trump can feel free to 'regift' his new wife to me when he tires of her.....
Every breath Donald Trump takes is in flight from the utter vacuousness of his life and works...
A small point: If there are NO documented miracles, how can there be so many Saints?
plantsman, lowercase | 12.22.06
How can there be so many flowers if there are no faeires to push them out of the ground?
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A=A, A is A, Bush is AA.
I blame the Jews.
What was the question again?
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CNN says Christianity might have died without the work of Peter and Paul. Cnn says Peter was a mere fisherman and Paul was a sophisticated intellectual.
Every breath Donald Trump takes is in flight from the utter vacuousness of his life and works...
ProfWombat | 12.22.06 - 2:44 pm | #
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I'd like to think that too but .......actually he's having a ball......
"A is A" is problematic.
SteveLG: don't care for grappa myself, but anytime you want to share the Marc, you give a holler...
ProfWombat
Will do.
Hey, there's grappa and then there's grappa... the best of it has absolutely laser-like fruit and in no way resembles the diesel fuel most people associate with the stuff.
Cantine Sant Agata's Grappa de Ruche and La Giustiniana's Grappa de Gavi (both from the Piemonte) are my favorites of those I've tried so far.
I gotta get out of here... the customers are carrying away the wine department in crates and I need to help them do so.
CNN (The most trusted name in News...or is that the asswipes from Minitru over at Faux who claim that?) last night was building up to the very exciting Larry King/The Donald conversation during the two hours prior to it.
My response was to change the fucking channel.
Cnn says Peter was the key player in early Christianity and convinced many jews that Jesus was the Messiah.
A=A, A is A, Bush is AA. - Mr.Murder
Bush is A0 (Ahole).
cnn says that jesus had two ears and mary magdalene had blood cells.
the g*d of Peter,Paul, and NASCAR.
While I am an avowed atheist, I wouldn't mind if America were a Christian nation, in fact and deed. The problem is, the Christians are the worst of the bunch. The biggest liars, thieves, murderers, supporters of torture, on top of their insistence that everybody else be like them. Virgil Goode is as close to an anti-Christ as any one of our foul, ignorant trolls. No way to prove it, but my guess is that fewer than 5% of Christians follow Christ's teachings. In fact, I think they tend to use their christianity to get away with foul behavior of all sorts, like lawyers going to law school to learn how to circumvent the law.
The problem with A is A is while my A is A, I'm not so sure about yours.
The problem with A is A is while my A is A, I'm not so sure about yours.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 12.22.06 - 2:47 pm
These bloody kids and there damn Cartesian Dualism!!!
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Donald Trump called into Larry King from his private jet while flying to Malagro.
fuckin' A
Please open the no-shit file, we got a live one
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...6122101621.html
Cnn says Peter was the key player in early Christianity and convinced many jews that Jesus was the Messiah.
kean | 12.22.06 - 2:46 pm
they know this how?
gotta fuckin transcript?
No way to prove it, but my guess is that fewer than 5% of Christians follow Christ's teachings. In fact, I think they tend to use their christianity to get away with foul behavior of all sorts, like lawyers going to law school to learn how to circumvent the law.
ronjazz, herbed
Probably a little higher than 5% overall, but among Fundamentalists it's probably more like 1%. Fundies are big pushers of the "Christ took all my sins" angle - the get-into-heaven-free card angle that totally fucked over the Good Rabbi's actual message.
I've had Fundies tell me they cannot sin. Not that they can't steal or lie, just that stealing and lying are not sins for them because they're born-again. It is some really sick stuff.
Might be semantics, he has never went personally bankrupt. His companies however.....
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hisstoryman,Hunter of Da Snark
I thought he declared bankruptcy at least twice?
And wasn't his company one that took advantage of the J-51 tax breaks for co-op conversion back in the 70s and early 80s by terrorizing the old and poor out of their apartments?
Trump's a fucking terrorist, and to hell with im.
No way to prove it, but my guess is that fewer than 5% of Christians follow Christ's teachings.
hisstoryman: privacy invaded, contrary to law, by security people? You flabbergast me again, sir...
hisstoryman: privacy invaded, contrary to law, by security people? You flabbergast me again, sir...
gotta fuckin transcript? WoodyG'sGuitar
1) You mean from CNN or from Peter? and
2) When has trollbot ever done anything but trollbot?
Trump's a fucking terrorist, and to hell with im.
squilliam | 12.22.06 - 2:50 pm
I was actually asking a question about his bankruptcy status, I did fail to write it in that form
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Since it is impossible to prove a negative, I choose not to expend wasted effort in the attempt.
Of course, but the point is that you are asking *us* to accept this as an argument for the existance of something that is otherwise unevidenced.
Here's a group of young people courageously standing up against racism:
PIKEVILLE, Ky. (AP) -- A high school basketball team has voted to boycott a game against an opposing team that waves the Confederate flag, adding fuel to a debate over what is appropriate behavior at sporting events.
Cnn says Peter was the key player in early Christianity
Peter was the drummer. John played keyboard.
WGG is the Saint of Eschaton links.
Mr.Murder - 2:39 pm
domine, domine, domine...
now you're all fuckin catholics...
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hisstoryman: privacy invaded, contrary to law, by security people? You flabbergast me again, sir...
ProfWombat | 12.22.06 - 2:51 pm
Ack, tags.
No way to prove it, but my guess is that fewer than 5% of Christians follow Christ's teachings.
LittlePig's on the right track. I think that if you separate out the vocal, in your face "Christians" from those who pay attention to the "works not words" aspect of Jesus' teachings, the numbers are different.
JR: I'm not asking you to accept the argument; I'm simply asking you to accept the limits of your knowledge as I acknowledge mine.
domine, domine, domine...
now you're all fuckin catholics...
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WoodyG'sGuitar, rogue scholar | Homepage | 12.22.06
domino, domino, domino...
Your now all fuckin' Van Morrison
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Peter was the drummer. John played keyboard.
No, Mickey was the drummer. Peter played guitars.
Davey, on the other hand, was there to be Brit and sing.
Militant Agnostic:
"I don't know -- and neither do you!"
The point about black swans is that another one might be lurking around the corner.
and Paul was a sophisticated intellectual.
kean
Was that in his "Paul" days or his persecute-the-bastards "Saul" days?
I truly and deeply hope someone beats the living shit outta Donald Trump
I've had Fundies tell me they cannot sin. Not that they can't steal or lie, just that stealing and lying are not sins for them because they're born-again. It is some really sick stuff.
Yet it's the atheists who are supposedly the ones who don't have any morals, according to them.
The point about black swans is that another one might be lurking around the corner.
kean | 12.22.06 - 2:53 pm
Or run for governor of PA.....
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sorry, that was just crude and tasteless on my part
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I'd like to think that too but .......actually he's having a ball......
mirror on the wall
Even tho it is only in his mind.
nothing happens outside of himself
"A is A" is problematic.
euphronius
It's not problematic, it's fucking useless.
"Fundies are big pushers of the "Christ took all my sins" angle "
That is one of my sticking points with people when we get into the Christian discussion. Now I do not intend disrepect for people who deeply believe the word so to speak. I have met people that were defined by their faith that was beautiful to watch in everyday action.
BUT...
There are those, too many who folks as said use it as an excuse.
They will hit me with the bit about relieving me of my sins and so on.
Well I can appreciate that, but I feel a bit less by letting someone take over what I was responsible for. My view, if I pass and find out there is some grand deity I have to be judged by, I will stand by my own merits. It is the only honest way to do things. If my failures in life are not offset by learning to do better and heeding lessons learned, then what is the point of living?
nothing happens outside of himself
He's a lot like the Decider in that respect.
Which is probably why I loathe both of them, as utterly wasted lives.
All logic is necessarily tautological.
"Fundies are big pushers of the "Christ took all my sins" angle "
It's your very own "Get Out Of Hell Free" card!
Yet it's the atheists who are supposedly the ones who don't have any morals, according to them.
Richard
That's damn creepy - the only thing keeping them from murdering, raping and pillaging is the threat of Hell?
Those folks have to be kinda thick in the head not to realize what they are revealing about themselves with that line.
That's damn creepy - the only thing keeping them from murdering, raping and pillaging is the threat of Hell?
Yup.
Ir's a whole religion built around daddy issues....
PIKEVILLE, Ky. (AP) -- A high school basketball team has voted to boycott a game against an opposing team that waves the Confederate flag, adding fuel to a debate over what is appropriate behavior at sporting events.
Good for those kids. More power to them.
Sallyh: Jeffraham--Curly will always be First Kitty.
Curly loves you, too!
He's somethin' else. I have to keep him and LarryElvis aay from one another, as much as possible, since L.E. is contagious.
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A is A is the first premise of systemic thought.
All logic is necessarily tautological.
kean - 2:57 pm
only if all experience is always undifferentiatable...
"this river is this river" is not true according to heraclitus
I've had Fundies tell me they cannot sin. Not that they can't steal or lie, just that stealing and lying are not sins for them because they're born-again. It is some really sick stuff.
They ought to read their scripture more carefully. Or just read it period. Or listen to the cd version.
Even tho it is only in his mind.
nothing happens outside of himself
JohnJS | 12.22.06 - 2:55 pm | #
except that he eats the finest food he wants, sleeps with the beautiful women he can 'acquire,' is seemingly famous.........all the trappings of 'success' and 'power'........
he's interacting with the material world as a mover and shaker......
not.for.one.second.does.he.have.an.existential.cri
sis........
building buildings, dealing with financiers, cutting deals.....always on the go.......external realities......
like i said, he's having a ball......
My view, if I pass and find out there is some grand deity I have to be judged by, I will stand by my own merits.
EkCentriK
Precisely. And if such a Diety exists, it is It's decision, not some nimrod nutter.
I've pissed off some of the more offensive in-your-face "I *know* I'm going to Heaven" folks by pointing that dude, it's not YOUR decision.
"Fundies are big pushers of the "Christ took all my sins" angle "
The good Nazarene said "Where are those who condemn you? Then neither will I condemn you. Go, and sin no more."
Throw that in the fundies' faces.
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FWIW, Rahm is Jewish and probably doesn't want to swear on a bible either.
Bet it doesn't bother Holy Joe.
I'm sure we can be expecting his condemnation of Goode any minute now ...
No way to prove it, but my guess is that fewer than 5% of Christians follow Christ's teachings.
I think virtually every Christian is of the "salad bar" variety, picking and choosing what they want to believe and want to ignore from the Bible. Even the so-called fundamentalists fall into that category. Is there any "fundamentalist" out there who would actually "turn the other cheek"?
A is A is the first premise of systemic thought.
kean | 12.22.06 - 2:59 pm | #
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which is why it does not match reality, where "A is A" is not always "true" or "1" or whatever.
Would destroying The View be a bad thing?
Sinfonian: PIKEVILLE, Ky. (AP) -- A high school basketball team has voted to boycott a game against an opposing team that waves the Confederate flag, adding fuel to a debate over what is appropriate behavior at sporting events.
Tell me it wasn't the charter school outlined in last year's Country Boys PBS special...
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Those folks have to be kinda thick in the head not to realize what they are revealing about themselves with that line.
Kinda thick in the head?
Kinda?
These are the most projecting group of muthafukkas on the face of the fracking planet.
kean: by 'systemic', do you mean 'systematic' ?
-(A or -A) is false.
Would destroying The View be a bad thing?
If we can be sure that Rosie and Baba Wawa buy the farm in the opening salvo, no.
I just loaded about a dozen plugins for Firefox 2.000000000000000000000001, including one that supposedly allows me to do HTML in these here boxes.
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A is A is the first premise of systemic thought.
kean
A is A is the first sign that you're a moral cretin.
kean: by 'systemic', do you mean 'systematic' ?
ProfWombat | 12.22.06 - 3:02 pm
What about Hyyyyydromatic! Why it could be Greased Lightning!
(rips off overalls revealling black t-shirt and black jeans.)
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FWIW, Rahm is Jewish and probably doesn't want to swear on a bible either.
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Bet it doesn't bother Holy Joe.
as i mentioned a week or so ago, and Unca Smokes repeated yesterday or the day before, the swearing-in is a mass event: All the representatives gather together and repeat the oath of office in chorus, without the impedimenta of bibles, torahs, qu'rans, or house at pooh corners...
those come later, in the photo-op part of the ceremony, where they pose for the pfolks back home...'
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the producers and directors and writers and actors and commericial sponsers of 'Miami Vice' hate their lives for spewing out such empty garbage.
NOT
-(A or -A) is false.
kean | 12.22.06 - 3:03 pm | #
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disjunctive "or"?
because not (A AND not A) is true.
Actually, WGG, I think swearing on the House at Pooh Corners is a great idea -- maybe we'll get a gentler, more thoughtful Senate.
PIKEVILLE, Ky. (AP) -- A high school basketball team has voted to boycott a game against an opposing team that waves the Confederate flag, adding fuel to a debate over what is appropriate behavior at sporting events.
this strikes me as the best news of the day...
I think virtually every Christian is of the "salad bar" variety, picking and choosing what they want to believe and want to ignore from the Bible. Even the so-called fundamentalists fall into that category. Is there any "fundamentalist" out there who would actually "turn the other cheek"?
Richard
Especially the Fundamentalists. They don't believe "turn the other cheek" actually MEANS "turn the other cheek". They are pretty much Old Testament folks with the Jesus excuse. Their Big Daddy is one wrathful son of a bitch.
The good Nazarene said "Where are those who condemn you? Then neither will I condemn you. Go, and sin no more."
Throw that in the fundies' faces.
Along with Romans 6.
How I would like it to read it:
PIKEVILLE, Ky. (AP) -- A high school basketball team has voted to beat the living piss out of an opposing team that waves the Confederate flag...
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Especially the Fundamentalists. They don't believe "turn the other cheek" actually MEANS "turn the other cheek". They are pretty much Old Testament folks with the Jesus excuse. Their Big Daddy is one wrathful son of a bitch.
LittlePig
Yup.
Take the worst parts of the Old Testament, mix in the worst parts of the New Testament, and you have American fundamentalist protestants.
I've had a few dumb problems with Firefox 2. Would love to go back. Can't use security or firewalls because my good wife needs to access fickle machines for work...
Especially the Fundamentalists. They don't believe "turn the other cheek" actually MEANS "turn the other cheek".
They even cherry pick the ten commandments. It's not like they frown on divorce (and remarriage), or making graven images, etc.
PIKEVILLE, Ky. (AP) -- A high school basketball team has voted to boycott a game against an opposing team that waves the Confederate flag, adding fuel to a debate over what is appropriate behavior at sporting events.
Awesome.
Buh-bye, "Southern pride." We all knew it would happen eventually.
like i said, he's having a ball......
mirror on the wall - 3:00 pm
like i sadi, my truest hope is that somebody somewhere gets the chance to kick the living shit outta 'the Donald.'
it would be pure lagniappe if i were there, too, and could get in one good kick...
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Tell me it wasn't the charter school outlined in last year's Country Boys PBS special...
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Jeffraham Prestonian
I dunno ... that's why I gave you a link.
Especially the Fundamentalists. They don't believe "turn the other cheek" actually MEANS "turn the other cheek".
They even cherry pick the ten commandments. It's not like they frown on divorce (and remarriage), or making graven images, etc.
Falstaff | 12.22.06 - 3:08 pm | #
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I figured this out early. I was out of churches by 13 or 14.
hisstoryman: yup; in troubled times like these, one must still strive to hold one's head up high...
They even cherry pick the ten commandments. It's not like they frown on divorce (and remarriage), or making graven images, etc.
Falstaff
Well, Jesus brought a new covenant to replace the old, you see.
Except where the severity of the old is preferable to smite your enemies.
Would destroying The View be a bad thing?
If we can be sure that Rosie and Baba Wawa buy the farm in the opening salvo, no.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
"Today on The View we have a real suicide bomber! Thanks for joining us today! Now will you show us precisely howKAAA-BOOOOOOMMMMMM!
Their Big Daddy is one wrathful son of a bitch.
Yes, the might makes right God, who murders virtually the entire human race when he gets pissed. The ultimate abusive parent.
"I'm going to Heaven" folks by pointing that dude, it's not YOUR decision."
That is the concise point in this whole process I think.
Because they have the rule book, they treat it like any other rule book or operations guide.
They GAME the System.
Well, Jesus brought a new covenant to replace the old, you see.
Not a lot of neighbor loving going on either.
They even cherry pick the ten commandments. It's not like they frown on divorce (and remarriage), or making graven images, etc.
Given that half of the ten commandments are not about how you relate to your fellow humans, they're about how you relate to the Arrogant Deity Who Demands You Worship Him, why they're thought of as the basis of law in a secular by design republic such as our own eludes me no end.
Cnn says Peter was the key player in early Christianity
Didn't he quit the band like three times during the final tour?
To me, there's a bit of desperation to Trump's commotion, as if he's afraid what a bit of silence or repose could tell him. Seems to me he's doing a lot of what he does for the mirror's consumption, to obscure what he'd otherwise see there.
Yes, the might makes right God, who murders virtually the entire human race when he gets pissed. The ultimate abusive parent.
Richard
When I was a young lad in synagogue, instead of just reciting the prayers in hebrew, I used to read the english translations.
It was depressing how much of it was groveling.
AAR ran Thom Hartman today since Al is in Iraq. He went to town on one of these conservative Xians (can't remember who the guy was) pushing the time-honored "it's not the gummint's job to take care of poor people" bullshit while claiming that cons are more charitable blah blah blah. Hartman kept pointing out Jesus's primary suggestions were for his followers to take care of poor people. The giy ignored the point over and over and blathered on about how cons give to churches and churches take care of people way better.
Then some people called in who had actually had to use public and church charity and pointed out that in the government programs you can get what you need, but in the church programs you get the crap that businesses donate (i.e. that they can't sell, that is about to pass expiration, etc) and it's pretty random.
hate to say it but wanting to kick the donald in the head is a total waste of energy---------
drain his bank account in an action packed thriller starring matt damon in real life and feed a starving nation i could dig...
The best response to the charge of "selective enforcement" or selective literal interpertation practiced by our lovely domestic taliban is: through the holy spirit, the revelation of the Word is a every evolving thing and the fact that we (the fundies) highlight some things and downplay others is the manifestation of the work of the Holy Spirit through us.
I have graduate from agnostic to apathetic. I just don't give a shit if there's a god.
They even cherry pick the ten commandments. It's not like they frown on divorce (and remarriage), or making graven images, etc.
Falstaff | 12.22.06 - 3:08 pm |
Graven Images, you mean like this?
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Poor little snot factory.
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The modern self-proclaimed (and loudly proclaimed) American fungelical Christian exemplifies nothing if not those being upbraided in Matthew 6:5-6:
5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
But if, of course, they prayed in secret, none of us would know how holy they are ....
They GAME the System.
EkCentriK
Like these crazy people trying to HURRY UP the Apocalypse, telling ol' Yawheh what to do. Yeah boy, that's real worshipful there, dudes.
To me, there's a bit of desperation to Trump's commotion, as if he's afraid what a bit of silence or repose could tell him. Seems to me he's doing a lot of what he does for the mirror's consumption, to obscure what he'd otherwise see there.
ProfWombat | 12.22.06 - 3:11 pm | #
probably. in a jungian sense can anyone outrun 'the shadow' indefinately?
Sometimes I think Christ was having a bit of fun with the golden rule.
Sort of my management style without the miracles.
My one directive above all : Do the right thing.
So what is the right thing?
Anything in which I do not end up asking "Is that the right thing to do?"
After a bit, they come off of medication and pretty much know what I mean.
I have graduate from agnostic to apathetic. I just don't give a shit if there's a god.
left field, Now with Aloha
Another lapsed agnostic. I was never sure why people had all their childhood myths smashed one by one, but still manage faith in the most preposterous one.
ErinPDX has e-mail!
(if she's still here)
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Matthew 6:5-6
sdf (Stu)
I've found bringing up that bit of Scripture really REALLY pisses 'em off.
To me, there's a bit of desperation to Trump's commotion, as if he's afraid what a bit of silence or repose could tell him. Seems to me he's doing a lot of what he does for the mirror's consumption
I think he's mostly just protecting the brand of Miss Whatever, where he seems to have invested some of his cash.
I suspect he wants to make some sort of "reality" entertainment business out of the pageants and maybe that'll work but not for very long, I'm guessing, if he doesn't give Americans what they really want: hot lesbian pussies.
It makes me feel soiled to know that I inhabit the same universe as Virgil Goode.
I have graduate from agnostic to apathetic. I just don't give a shit if there's a god.
left field, Now with Aloha
I actually went from Christian to apathetic. I think I skipped the whole agnostic stage.
Sinfonian -- Same damn school. Very liberal.
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Part of The Donald's problem may be that he's not getting enough media ego-boo recently, and this is just a little fix to tide him over.
I think a huge part of his problem is that he has to be on teebee as much as possible to feed his widdle ego that needs reinforcement.
Because it's not difficult for anyone with average intelligence who inherits $10 million or so to build on that sum. The Donald would have you believe otherwise.
mirror otw: if you can't outrun the shadow, perhaps one measure of your life is the vain, doomed effort you expend in the hope of doing so...
give Americans what they really want: hot lesbian pussies.
Stunt Woman
Amen! Glory hallalujah!
All religious arguments start off by dividing by 0.
When I was a young lad in synagogue, instead of just reciting the prayers in hebrew, I used to read the english translations.
It was depressing how much of it was groveling.
Gummo
They probably sounded a lot better in Hebrew.
Graven Images, you mean like this?
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hisstoryman,Hunter of Da Snark
Modern Christianity awash in graven images. Watch them fight for a nativity. IMHO, the fundamentalists have turned the bible into an idol. They don't worship God really. He's (They're) ancillary. They worship the bible. They will sooner deny creation as deny one word of Genesis.
Sinfonian -- Same damn school. Very liberal.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
How 'bout that. Gotta be hard to be liberal in that part of the country.
They worship the bible. They will sooner deny creation as deny one word of Genesis.
Falstaff
Too bad they don't actually READ the damn thing.
Hello moonbats
euphronius: I like that one...
Too bad they don't actually READ the damn thing.
LittlePig
Oh, they do, they do, constantly.
But few understand it. That's why they have billion-dollar megapreachers to tell'em what it really means.
As opposed to what it says.
Sinfonian -- If you get a chance to watch that, if it's still online (checking... hot damn, it is!), you should. It is awesome, and is not completely unknown by a guy who grew up in Ashland (which was still 10x more affluent), KY.
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I had an idea for a Geek Nativity
I twould be Anakin and AMidala over two mangers. Obiwan Yoda and Mace Windu as the wise men. Jawas and Gungans and the shepherds and over it all the ghost of Gui-Gon as the angel. Id make a damn fortune.
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hey moon: merry and happy to you and yours...
With that, I'm gone.
Gotta drive a coupla hours to pick up Sinfonian, Jr. for the weekend. Then spending Sunday with Jr. and Jrette. Can't wait.
Maybe I'll catch the late night crew tonight.
Keep fighting the good fight. (And keep commenting on Blast Off! while you're at it. )
mirror otw: if you can't outrun the shadow, perhaps one measure of your life is the vain, doomed effort you expend in the hope of doing so...
ProfWombat | 12.22.06 - 3:17 pm | #
that's why im investing in a motorized wheelchair!
I twould be Anakin and AMidala over two mangers. Obiwan Yoda and Mace Windu as the wise men. Jawas and Gungans and the shepherds and over it all the ghost of Gui-Gon as the angel. Id make a damn fortune.
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hisstoryman,Hunter of Da Snark
Comic Book Guy would love you.
Too bad they don't actually READ the damn thing.
LittlePig
One of the problems is they typically read the bible in an imcomplete, fragmented and disjointed way.
Motorized Wheelchair Tours of Hot lesbian Pussyland.
"Outrun the Shadow, with a smile on your face"
Sinfonian -- If you get a chance to watch that, if it's still online (checking... hot damn, it is!), you should.
I will, jp, thanks.
And I'm updating the blog entry as I type.
Especially the Fundamentalists. They don't believe "turn the other cheek" actually MEANS "turn the other cheek". They are pretty much Old Testament folks with the Jesus excuse. Their Big Daddy is one wrathful son of a bitch.
Except for the fact that they will have their glazed ham and boil-and-peel shrimp for Xmas dinner.
George Galloway: stamp out strip clubs
Oh, they do, they do, constantly.
But few understand it. That's why they have billion-dollar megapreachers to tell'em what it really means.
As opposed to what it says.
Gummo
Well, it CAN'T mean what it says, because it's pretty damn tough to actually do that. So here comes the excuse brigade (said preachers), telling them that, nah, they don't have to actually live like Jesus said to live, all they have to do is stick their tongue a foot up Jesus' ass and they'll go straight to Heaven.
Every Easter I sit through a service at my stepmom's Fundy church. More than once I've had to restain myself from raising up and shouting down that dumb son of a bitch that is their preacher (and he's actually not one of the really bad ones - her bunch actually does some good works).
OT --
Coliseum Books, one of the best bookstores ever, is closing its doors next month.
They've been selling everything for 30-50% off. I finally went in today. The shelves were almost empty.
I had to buy a coupl'a last books, for old times' sake.
(Mrs. Gummo was not amused.)
I am being most indulgent at the moment, sipping a Cosmopolitan and eating Maltesers.
Modern Christianity awash in graven images. Watch them fight for a nativity. IMHO, the fundamentalists have turned the bible into an idol. They don't worship God really. He's (They're) ancillary. They worship the bible. They will sooner deny creation as deny one word of Genesis.
Bingo.
They are Biblioidolaters.
I had to buy a coupl'a last books, for old times' sake.
(Mrs. Gummo was not amused.)
Gummo | 12.22.06 - 3:25 pm | #
Coli books is closing???? AW SHIT!
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They also can't grasp the concept of allegory.
I am being most indulgent at the moment, sipping a Cosmopolitan and eating Maltesers.
Moonbootica, Ubuntu User
[envies Moon, glances at office clock]
I dunno ... that's why I gave you a link.
Sinfonian, in America's glans™ 3:09 pm
i just called the school, talked to a fella in their development office, who was not aware that the situation had made national news, and he was out-right stunned that a caller from albuquerque NM would 1) care and 2) approve...
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Gummo: another one bites the dust. Sad.
Andover is blessed with a first-class bookstore manned and womanned by good folk, that lives because the Phillips Academy people buy their texts there. It's been there since 1804 or so. We're lucky to have it.
I had an idea for a Geek Nativity
I twould be Anakin and AMidala over two mangers. Obiwan Yoda and Mace Windu as the wise men. Jawas and Gungans and the shepherds and over it all the ghost of Gui-Gon as the angel. Id make a damn fortune.
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hisstoryman,Hunter of Da Snark | Homepage | 12.22.06 - 3:22 pm | #
I think that would go well at the Geek Orthodox Church. Hail Kernighan. Hail Ritchie.
They also can't grasp the concept of allegory.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Or metaphor. Or poetry.
Basically, they assume that the people who wrote the bible were a lot stupider than we are.
Yet they also deem them worthy of devotion.
One of the problems is they typically read the bible in an imcomplete, fragmented and disjointed way.
Falstaff
I don't know why. It's pretty simple stuff. Not EASY stuff, by any means - I knew I couldn't follow that path when I was eight years old. But it's not that hard to understand....unless you DON'T WANT TO.
Ethiopia has warned Islamist militias who control most of southern Somalia that its patience is running out.
The situation in Somalia was going "from bad to worse", a statement from Ethiopia's foreign ministry warned.
The statement came as fighting between the militias and fighters loyal to Somalia's weak government continued for a fourth day.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/afric...ica/
6204695.stm
Thre are many problems with reading the bible and "interpreting it" besides the fact that many people only read it in a non-contextual, disjointed way.
- first, a theological question, is whether, for a christian, the old testament is even very relevant considering it is/was an artifact of the old covenant that was made anew with Jesus.
- the bible has little context other than the text.
- the books are for the most part disjointed and of vastly different scope, imporantace.
- the translation errors are not only common they are undocumented.
- many of the transalations introduced INTENTIONAL errors to change the meaning of the text!
- we don;t know who many of the authors were or when the books were written.
- und so weiter, und so weiter
They are Biblioidolaters.
Apprentice to Darth Holden- 3:26 pm
i like the term "christianism/christianist" to differentiate the meek and faithful from the militant ideologues...
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i just called the school, talked to a fella in their development office, who was not aware that the situation had made national news, and he was out-right stunned that a caller from albuquerque NM would 1) care and 2) approve...
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WoodyG'sGuitar, rogue scholar
Outstanding! Thanks, WGG.
I will say that most of us development types are a little more observant than that, however.
Ethiopia has warned Islamist militias who control most of southern Somalia that its patience is running out.
Oh great Ethiopia on verge of invading Somalia... again.
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I had an idea for a Geek Nativity
I twould be Anakin and AMidala over two mangers. Obiwan Yoda and Mace Windu as the wise men. Jawas and Gungans and the shepherds and over it all the ghost of Gui-Gon as the angel. Id make a damn fortune.
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hisstoryman,Hunter of Da Snark | Homepage | 12.22.06 - 3:22 pm | #
I think that would go well at the Geek Orthodox Church. Hail Kernighan. Hail Ritchie.
left field, Now with Aloha
Orthodox would insist on the figures all being in their original packaging, because to do otherwise would destroy their worth as collectables.
US consumer spending posts rise
US consumer spending recorded its biggest increase since July last month, Commerce Department figures show.
Spending rose 0.5% in November after an increase of 0.3% a month earlier.
Another report from the University of Michigan also showed consumer confidence remained near year highs at 91.7 despite a slight fall in December.
Analysts said the reports could provide further encouragement to policy makers which may mean a cut in interest rates.
Orthodox would insist on the figures all being in their original packaging, because to do otherwise would destroy their worth as collectables.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
And the virgin would be 40 years old.
As some dumbass Texas demagogue once announced: If English was good enough for God to write the Bible, it's good enough for the Texas drivers' license exams...
or some shit...
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Somalia...a libertarian's dream experimental laboratory.
Yeah, we've seen how well a stateless society has worked out there...
I think that would go well at the Geek Orthodox Church. Hail Kernighan. Hail Ritchie.
left field, Now with Aloha
Orthodox would insist on the figures all being in their original packaging, because to do otherwise would destroy their worth as collectables.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Yep, sounds more Reformed Geek to me.
Blessed be the Knuth, for he has made straight the ways.
But few understand it. That's why they have billion-dollar megapreachers to tell'em what it really means.
Think "bubblegum religion". Taught by uneducated (for the most part), unsophisticated snake-oil salesmen on the take and on serious power trips and there you have it.
Apprentice: next time somebody tells you that an armed society is a polite society, offer him a week in sunny Mogadishu...
I don't know why. It's pretty simple stuff. Not EASY stuff, by any means - I knew I couldn't follow that path when I was eight years old. But it's not that hard to understand....unless you DON'T WANT TO.
LittlePig
The whole modern organization of the bible leads you to read it in a fragmented way. The whole numbering of chapter and verse lends itself to skipping around, focusing on a passage here or a verse there. Then you add the pressure of sermon creation which forces preachers to focus on a verse without regard to context. The flock watches the preacher skip here and there, and assumes that's the appropriate way to study the bible as a whole.
Wait I'm confused:
Did the Ethiopian military just warn the high school waving confederate flags that their patience is running out?
Modern Christianity awash in graven images. Watch them fight for a nativity. IMHO, the fundamentalists have turned the bible into an idol. They don't worship God really. He's (They're) ancillary. They worship the bible. They will sooner deny creation as deny one word of Genesis.
Falstaff
Fits in nicely with worship the flag, ignore the constitution conservatives. It's all about what they can hold on to. The concepts behind the symbols be damned.
get yer confederate flag made in china right heres.......
Apprentice: next time somebody tells you that an armed society is a polite society, offer him a week in sunny Mogadishu...
ProfWombat - 3:33 pm
EXCELLENT point, Wombat...even BRILLIANT!!
to say nothing of, oh, i dunno, bagdhad, kabul, peshawar, east timor, ache (indonesia), etc...
Falstaff, the best minister I ever went to would pick ONE thing to focus on in a sermon and explain the historical context, the allegoriacal/poetic language and then how that message fit into the whole.
best way, IMHO. I complemented him on it.
'Beyond the Fringe', the wonderful satirical revue from the 1960s, had, among much else, an Anglican prelate sermonizing on the text, 'My brother Esau is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man.' Nearly busted a gut laughing, I did...
and, no, i cannot spell without Word Spellchecker, thank you.
Fits in nicely with worship the flag, ignore the constitution conservatives. It's all about what they can hold on to. The concepts behind the symbols be damned.
Lumpenprolitariot
Perceptive observation.
So many people worship the flag, but dishonor the document that it represents.
For example, try circulating the Bill of Rights in your town square as a petition, and see what kinds of reactions you get.
The flock watches the preacher skip here and there, and assumes that's the appropriate way to study the bible as a whole.
Falstaff
True, which gives you stuff like the crazy troll bit "Jesus told 'em to buy a sword!" (yes, dumbass, to make the prophecy in Isaiah come true).
And that's too bad, because the whole thing really works out the way Rabbi Hillel said: "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary".
Then you add the pressure of sermon creation which forces preachers to focus on a verse without regard to context.
I have a Fundie-ish friend (actually a smart and decent person who actually strives to live his faith) who went to seminary and is now a full-time youth minister. He told me one of his assignments from seminary was to choose exactly ONE verse and give an entire sermon on it. I fail to see that assignment as being very productive.
Modern Christianity awash in graven images. Watch them fight for a nativity. IMHO, the fundamentalists have turned the bible into an idol. They don't worship God really. He's (They're) ancillary. They worship the bible. They will sooner deny creation as deny one word of Genesis.
Hell, Christianity has been full of graven images since Constantine and the Romans co-opted it for their own ends.
Hillel also was the one who said, 'If not you, who? If not now, when?'
Smart fellow, that...
Russia and Ukraine forge new ties
Ukraine's pro-Western president has said talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin represent a new chapter in relations between the two states.
Mr Putin is visiting Ukraine for the first time in nearly two years amid signs of improving ties.
Relations have been strained since the pro-Western Viktor Yushchenko defeated the Kremlin-favoured candidate for the presidency two years ago.
Mr Putin described the talks as both friendly and businesslike.
Hell, Christianity has been full of graven images since Constantine and the Romans co-opted it for their own ends.
The Romans had a knack for embracing and extending.
those wacky Romans, first throwing Christians to the lions then embracing them.
they do keep you guessing
Gus Van Sant drank too much eggnog.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/...t.ap/
index.html
My brother Esau is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man.' Nearly busted a gut laughing, I did...
ProfWombat - 3:36 pm
surely, then, you have fond recollections of Brother Dave Gardner: "It's IN THE BOOK!!!!"
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Hell, Christianity has been full of graven images since Constantine and the Romans co-opted it for their own ends.
billy b - mr. hooker sir john | Homepage | 12.22.06 - 3:39 pm | #
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imho, christianity died in the 400s when it was appropriated by the dying roman empire becuase of its (among other things) monotheism/polytheism "mystery".
the christiannity that was before state sponsorship, I like. (Well, there was so many different types. It is hard to say what "christianity" was before roman sponsorship.) But once the state got involved, good-bye christ.
Hell, Christianity has been full of graven images since Constantine and the Romans co-opted it for their own ends.
billy b - mr. hooker sir john
Spot on! Damn, these Arkansawyers are some smart folks!
to say nothing of, oh, i dunno, bagdhad, kabul, peshawar, east timor, ache (indonesia), etc...
Was talking with a guy that just came back from Iraq. He was around Mosul at the end and said it took him three days by convoy to get back to Baghdad.
Said there are severed heads all over the place. He was pretty shaken by the whole ordeal...
surely, then, you have fond recollections of Brother Dave Gardner: "It's IN THE BOOK!!!!"
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WoodyG'sGuitar, rogue scholar
I put some Brother Dave on the computer a few months ago. Now my son (who initially said "Naw, I won't like that") is a big Brother Dave fan.
That's my boy!
Gus Van Sant drank too much eggnog.
Reminds me, actually. A friend was driving from Phoenix to Houston yesterday and was shocked to find a New Mexico sobriety checkpoint *on the highway* *in the middle of the fucking afternoon.*
He said there 20-30 squad cars hanging out at the checkpoint.
What a waste of public resources.
wgg: yup; brings me closer to God than religion ever did, a good, solid belly laugh...
Said there are severed heads all over the place. He was pretty shaken by the whole ordeal...
Sheesh, you got more severed heads in Washington, D.C.
Said there are severed heads all over the place. He was pretty shaken by the whole ordeal...
Sheesh, you got more severed heads in Washington, D.C.
Entirely OT, but have you noticed that Google's homepage seems to feature Kanga and Roo?
A very quotable fella, Hillel, clearly.
Asked whether I Goode was a bigot, I said, "Fuck, yeah."
Asked whether I thought Goode was a bigot, I said "Fuck, yeah."
He said there 20-30 squad cars hanging out at the checkpoint.
Lemme guess...there were Dunkin' Donuts boxes all over the ground around the checkpoint...
Was talking with a guy that just came back from Iraq. He was around Mosul at the end and said it took him three days by convoy to get back to Baghdad.
Said there are severed heads all over the place. He was pretty shaken by the whole ordeal...
billy b - mr. hooker sir john
The shit going down over there is so many light years from the experience of the vast majority of never-exposed-to-real-life Americans that I really feel bad for those guys. I heard a fellow yesterday say his town gave all the Iraqi veterans a parade, which include Civil War re-enactors FIRING BLANKS.
He said "I know they meant well, but they *really* shouldn't be shooting things off near just-returned vets". Thoughtless cruelty.
traditional Roman religion was about doing, you did not have to necessarily believe in it but it was for public show.
it was a case of 'how can religion benefit me and help me with my career'.
also big on the Imperial Cult and ancestor worship.
Before the rise of Christianity in most cults orthopraxy (doing the right things), was more important than orthodoxy (believing the right things). This is the case in Roman religion too.
Spot on! Damn, these Arkansawyers are some smart folks!
LittlePig
Thanks, home skillet. Actually, from reading your posts, you have a much more extensive knowledge of the Bible than I do. I have real trouble following the narrative (same with poetry that is more sophisticated than dirty limericks), probably because of my ADD.
However, I've read quite a bit about the state of early Christianity as it fascinates.
Lemme guess...there were Dunkin' Donuts boxes all over the ground around the checkpoint...
Bloody likely.
The cops had some stooges handing out kotchkes to drivers at the end of the checkpoint. My friend said it was all he could to not spit in their fucking faces.
Constantine himself had very little time for doctrinal disputes being a military man, he wanted a religion to go with his newly unified empire.
imho, christianity died in the 400s when it was appropriated by the dying roman empire becuase of its (among other things) monotheism/polytheism "mystery".
the christiannity that was before state sponsorship, I like. (Well, there was so many different types. It is hard to say what "christianity" was before roman sponsorship.) But once the state got involved, good-bye christ.
euphronius
That's my take too. It became just another State tool at that point.
the Greeks thought the Romans were superstitious and that its leaders cynically used religion to control the populace.
Time to go accomplish something; had a great time hangin' with you guys on this blissfully troll-free, freewheeling thread...
Dunkin' donuts boxes with severed heads in them.
I fail to see that assignment as being very productive.
doncjesuis
Adding, it can be a good thing to do a sermon on one idea, explaining it clearly and fully, giving context and showing how it relates to other concepts and one's life.
The one-verse sermon assignment just seems to me to be a challenge designed to test a preacher's ability to create enough commentary/filler to last a sermon.
You know, this crack den could easily keep me from getting anything done.
Actually, from reading your posts, you have a much more extensive knowledge of the Bible than I do. I have real trouble following the narrative (same with poetry that is more sophisticated than dirty limericks), probably because of my ADD.
However, I've read quite a bit about the state of early Christianity as it fascinates.
billy b - mr. hooker sir john
It's kinda funny, I just read the stuff because it's interesting (I'm trying to get through Father Crossan's "In Search Of Paul", but he's such a damn tour guide he wears me out).
A buddy of mine got a Bible quiz from somebody, and he gave it to me - and I only missed one answer. He was shocked, knowing that even the Unitarians probably wouldn't claim me. I laughed at him. "You didn't think this old pagan knew his Bible? Damn dangerous assumption, that is."
Besides, how else can I harrass the Fundies?
You know, this crack den could easily keep me from getting anything done.
We're trying to keep you off the streets.
Somehow the Trolls who were here (jack) lost interest and went away.
Also, blissfully, the idiot called Shoelimpy went away as well.
Ronjazz--hey, I just got back from MA...and I truly enjoyed my daily Dunkin' coffee
(Dragged 4 lbs. of the stuff home, too)
He said "I know they meant well, but they *really* shouldn't be shooting things off near just-returned vets". Thoughtless cruelty.
I used to play a lot of golf back in the 80's with guy that had been a medic in Viet Nam in 67-68 up around Hardy where the carts were 2 cycle gas-powered because of the hills. On more than one occasion, he actually hit the dirt when one of the carts backfired.
Said it never left.
The one-verse sermon assignment just seems to me to be a challenge designed to test a preacher's ability to create enough commentary/filler to last a sermon.
That's how it strikes me as well. How much milage can you get out of a couple sentences?
Spinoza--I'm in the freakin' house! How much further from the streets do you want to keep me already?
Chimpy sacrifices
THE PRESIDENT: Laura and I are honored to be here to thank the folks working here at this service project. What you're seeing is some young kids wrapping gifts for children whose families are here in Washington, D.C. as a result of an injury that they've received -- that the parent received in combat.
Afternoon, all ye un-American folks who don't have the genuflection to kiss Goode's Ring...
Or some similar religious mash-up.
the Christians did love a martyr or too.
when Christianity was made a state religion suddenly you had these orders spring up trying to suffer as Christ and all those martyrs had suffered (hiding out in the desert from human contact, standing on pillars, being buried up to the neck and so on), with Christianity no longer illegal martyrdoms dried up
That's how it strikes me as well. How much milage can you get out of a couple sentences?
Have you seen the sermon in Errol Morris' Vernon, Florida documentary?
It's about the word, "therefore."
Constantine himself had very little time for doctrinal disputes being a military man, he wanted a religion to go with his newly unified empire.
That's what all I've read about Constantine and his take on Christianity says.
Smart young lady, you are. Impressive.
Hardy? Heck, I know where that is.
My dad hails from Sharp County (around Ash Flat) so I'm familiar with that part of Arkansas.
at one point a Byzantine emperor tried to stop people joining monastic orders because it was draining the empire of manpower.
Afternoon, all ye un-American folks who don't have the genuflection to kiss Goode's Ring...
Bah. Who wastes time with one of the Nine's rings?
Ah, I see I am reading P O'Neill's mind once again.
i never understood why a god would choose to reveal himself in written language in an age of nearly universal illiteracy. it seems sort of inefficient to me.
sallyh, Dunkin' Donuts coffee is one of the staples of musicians hereabouts. Years ago there was a rival chain called Mr. Donut that was actually a bit superior, coffee-wise. Starbucks tastes like burned cork to me after all the years of DD. And, even if you buy their's it never tastes the same at home.
"their's" looks weird.
Ah love presents!
watertiger
Distressingly funny, watertiger.
I hadn't been by in a while -- that picture of the tigers in the tub is priceless!!
Aguatigre--I wouldn't let my kids within ten miles of that fucking bastard.
Spinoza--I'm in the freakin' house! How much further from the streets do you want to keep me already?
Good. Now stop trying to pick the lock on your ankle bracelet.
Do you know why FDR would never do any of the shit that Chimpy does, like the photo op with the kids of soldiers?
Because he had too much respect for the soldiers and their families to use them for political purposes like that.
that picture of the tigers in the tub is priceless!!
I think it's one of my favorites of all time.
sallyh, they're not children -- they're props.
i never understood why a god would choose to reveal himself in written language in an age of nearly universal illiteracy. it seems sort of inefficient to me.
Sir, do you have a problem? If you can't keep still we're going to have to ask you to leave.
That's how it strikes me as well. How much milage can you get out of a couple sentences?
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Actually, it's ingenious. One has to "interpret" a lot to get a whole sermon from a single verse. Puts the preacher in the practice of interpreting the remainder as he sees fit.
Plus, with people's short attention spans, focusing on particular verses keeps the message simple and the flock on theme.
That's a common practice in fundementedness.
at one point a Byzantine emperor tried to stop people joining monastic orders because it was draining the empire of manpower.
monks were masturbating too much?
I believe it was Theodosius the Great who finally prohibited all forms of paganism and at the same time the statues were removed from pagan temples and put in public spaces.
a notable persecuted pagan was Hypatia of Alexandria (a popular Hellenized Egyptian philosopher, mathematician, astronomer/astrologer, and teacher who lived in Alexandria, in Hellenistic Egypt,)
Sallyh,
I make the best cinnamon rolls in the world. Someday we shall have a cinnamon roll bake-off.
Truly ectasy.
Olaf, maybe the burning bush didn't get the message across.
at one point a Byzantine emperor tried to stop people joining monastic orders because it was draining the empire of manpower.
monks were masturbating too much?
Mastrubation wasn't the issue. It was the distance from the front that caused the problem.
noel owls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well catch you moonbats laters
That's how it strikes me as well. How much milage can you get out of a couple sentences?
Apprentice to Darth Holden
You'd be surprised. My friend did his sermon on the casting of lots in Jonah 1:7. I never knew how complicated something akin to drawing straws could be. I pity the people who choose Gospel John 11:35.
http://www.script-o-rama.com/mov...ipt-
morris.html
The transcript of the "therefore" sermon is at the above link. Open it up, search for "therefore," and prepare to be blown away.
Funniest. Movie. Ever.
Double gobble.
Open invitiation to heathens, agnostics, and other real people:
Don't be offended: I'll be playing Xmas blues & R&B on my radio show tomorrow evening, 8 - 10 PM Central.
Tune in, even if you're drunk, stoned, pantsless, and sick of Xmas music. It'll be worth your while to hear "Rudolph Got Drunk" by Big Jack Johnson.
http://www.wort-fm.org/
My dad hails from Sharp County (around Ash Flat) so I'm familiar with that part of Arkansas.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Shit, you're a home boy.
My old man grew up in Huntsville, but moved to Yellville for a year or two. That's not far from Ash Flat, IIRC.
Mastrubation wasn't the issue. It was the distance from the front that caused the problem.
Misunderstood what "draining" meant. Hah.
moon must have recently read a book that i just finished. "the closing of the western mind". i recommend it, but i can't remember the author's name.
...was shocked to find a New Mexico sobriety checkpoint *on the highway* *in the middle of the fucking afternoon.*
Oh, in NM they are out for blood currently. Some fool with .31 BAC drove his truck the wrong way on the freeway and plowed right into a family in a minivan. Killed five of them. He died himself. Now everyone is trying to "stop the carnage" and there will be roadblocks on the freeway, where they usually never have them. Roadblocks will be everywhere, actually, but it always used to be a given that you'd never find a sobriety checkpoint on the freeway. Those days are gone.
In all fairness to Chimperor, FDR didn't spend all that much time mired at 30% or so. The Great Deserter needs every conceivable prop. That's all that KKKarl has left. Well, that's all he ever had, reallly.
Donald Trump says Rosie's a loser and has always been a loser. Trump says Rosie is unattractive from every conceivable standpoint. Trump says it will be easy to take money out of her big fat ass. Trump says when people lie he goes after them. Trump says if people told the truth in this country we wouldn't be in Iraq. Trump says he's on the cover of the Forbes 400. Trump says Rosie lied when she said Trump went bankrupt 2 or 3 times. Trump says he went to Wharton and Rosie is neither smart or talented. Trump says Rosie has at best an average IQ.
He said "I know they meant well, but they *really* shouldn't be shooting things off near just-returned vets". Thoughtless cruelty.
I used to play a lot of golf back in the 80's with guy that had been a medic in Viet Nam in 67-68 up around Hardy where the carts were 2 cycle gas-powered because of the hills. On more than one occasion, he actually hit the dirt when one of the carts backfired.
Said it never left.
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That sounds similar to a story that my boss tells me, her boss was out playing golf with one of their trauma docs, a viet vet, and a cart backfired and the doc threw himself on the boss to protect him. Freaked the boss out.
Aguatigre--I wouldn't let my kids within ten miles of that fucking bastard.
Trump says Rosie is unattractive from every conceivable standpoint.
Actually doesn't look too bad from my perch here on one of her labial folds.
Roadmaster,
Don't worry about the atheists and pagans. As much as we rail and rant, I'm sure that most of us really like Christmas. The trappings, including the music, are FABULOUS, in every way. I have no faith except in mankind's ability to fuck up a free meal, but I jumped at the chance to make a Christmas CD for my record company a few years ago. I'm sure your show is smokin', and the happiest of holidays to you, and everyone here.
My old man grew up in Huntsville, but moved to Yellville for a year or two. That's not far from Ash Flat, IIRC.
billy b - mr. hooker sir john
Lordy mercy, your dad probably a good view of The Mansion On The Hill.
Ol' Orv built himself one crackerjack house with that Highway Commission mon, er, um, from the governor's salary.
Goode is apparently against non-Europeans setting in these United States. I expect that we should give Hawaii back.
Is Bush really going to be so tone deaf as to not denounce Goode? I mean, this is a gimmie. Goode was expressing blatent religious bigotry which undermines our Middle East allies. This is such a no-brainer, one almost expects to learn it was all set-up that way for Bush's benefit. I'm not saying it was. Gosh knows there are elected Republicans stupid enough to say stuff like this, but still. This is a very easy call for Bush and it will speak VERY poorly to his character if he says nothing and it will possibly undermine our nation and HIS war.
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