I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Yea
fucking white people, man.
More YouTube, eh?
What about the really exciting post for today?
Weird, Started playing the clip and didn't realize I still had ITunes running. Had a piece by Yo-Yo Ma going that nested very neatly with this piece. Didn't realize it for a bit. Second time I have something like that happen here.
The one resting on Krugman's groundwork?
What about the really exciting post for today?
Blakey | 12.23.06 - 12:48 am |
Caught an Architeuthis longimanus.
Is gilding anything like castration?
If so, I want no part of this snuff-flick.
I've got blisters on my fingers!
White musicians.
Shitty snacks.
No linkage.
Hey, Norfork is nearabouts where I live. Actuallu Norfolk and Western is a huge employer in this region of coastal Virginia.
I've got blisters on my fingers!
Ahem. 'Me'.
I've got blisters on my fingers!
Ahem. 'Me'.
NTodd
Well, it was orgasm day, right?
Take a look at some giant squid tentacles. Damn, they're nasty looking...
http://www.tonmo.com/science/
pub...tsquidfacts.php
Well, it was orgasm day, right?
I'm very religious.
Can't Atrios get off of his obsession with quirky young white male 90's bands, and open his vistas to quirky young 70's bands like the Rutles?
Gunhill Road or bust!
Barry
hang on love
Gunhill Road or bust!
JeffCO
I used to listen to them back when my hair was short.
Or one of those dirty fucking hippy bands like Canned Heat.
It occurs to me that nobody gets too much heaven no more. It seems it's much harder to come by.
fucking holidays. signing off.
Had a piece by Yo-Yo Ma going that nested very neatly with this piece.
Cool! Read somewhere the Messr. Ma left a NYC cab minus his $2 million cello.
He eventually reunited with it, but, dayum.
Leonard Nimox singing - Ballad of Bilbo Baggins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z...h?
v=Z2HQ1K7YyQM
I used to listen to them back when my hair was short.
I'm tellin' ya - these guys totally ripped them off.
It seems it's much harder to come by.
JeffCO, Snow Blind
Stop it, you're giving me the heebee-bee-gees.
Leonard Nimox singing - Ballad of Bilbo Baggins
I have that on my iPod, only to show people how close we came to nuclear war.
Paul rehearsing Helter Skelter...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h...h?
v=hAPtSg8wnow
NTodd--you forgot the lotion, again.
NTodd--you forgot the lotion, again.
I've had a...procedure that makes, well...IT, uh...self-lubricating.
Uh oh - sounds like NTodd gets the hose, again.
"More YouTube, eh?"
ok, this is nothing more then an open thread with a utube header. zzz.
but it's better then the utube wars when atrios gets bored. wish he'd use that time productively to get his blogroll in alphabetical order.
Good Night, ye Bats and Battesses.
And Good Night, Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are.
NTodd--you forgot the lotion, again.
Sallyh
It puts the lotion on its foreskin...
OK, now I know it's way past my bedtime.
Kisses and penises moonbats!
wish he'd use that time productively to get his blogroll in alphabetical order.
Yeah, and update Watertiger's link.
wish he'd use that time productively to get his blogroll in alphabetical order.
Yeah, and update Watertiger's link.
I've only been here for a minute and already I've learned more than I care to.
I have that on my iPod, only to show people how close we came to nuclear war.
Nimoy's recording career should have ended civilization as we know it, but mankind managed to survive.
Stay a bit longer and you might learn ya some manners.
I have that on my iPod, only to show people how close we came to nuclear war.
NTodd, Satyriasis Sufferer
If you are referring to October, 1962, we came oh so close, and what frightens me, is that in interviwes decades later, fairly senior, but not *the* most senior, governmental officials didn't really appreciate comtemporarily how close it was.
But everyone in the military had a notion, because DefCon was definitely raised during that crisis.
Sinfonian--which upset you more: learning that NTodd forgot the lotion or that he has the Ballad of Bilbo Baggins on his iPod?
Hey, Norfork is nearabouts where I live. Actuallu Norfolk and Western is a huge employer in this region of coastal Virginia.
I was a brakeman/conductor for 6 years, rode the coal trains out of Bluefield W.Va east to Norfolk. Fire it up, I've got a few good stories to tell.
So, how's about the latest lying Republican? Right here in America's glans™, no less.
night bats...tomorrow is xmas adam.
Bad Brains with Leonard Nimoy - Pay To Cum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r...h?
v=rqQtoMyi2xQ
Sinfonian--which upset you more: learning that NTodd forgot the lotion or that he has the Ballad of Bilbo Baggins on his iPod?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Yes.
I still have my original copy of Leonard Nimoy's Music from Outer Space.
"Visit to a Small Sad Planet" was about space explorers discovering Earth some time after the inhabitants had mostly destroyed it.
Well, so much for Global Orgasm Day.
The only woman I spoke to outside of work was my ex-wife. That kind of ruined the mood.
"Visit to a Small Sad Planet" was about space explorers discovering Earth some time after the inhabitants had mostly destroyed it.
zut
So, set about, what, 2015?
Take a break, Driver 8, you've been on this thread too long.
The Leonard Nimoy Album page
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywo...31/
records.html
I was a brakeman/conductor for 6 years, rode the coal trains out of Bluefield W.Va east to Norfolk. Fire it up, I've got a few good stories to tell.
Ophelia Bumps
Man, I'd love to sit by a fire and hear some tales.
According to my Simpsons calendar, Saurday is the Feast of the Radishes is Oaxaca.
So, set about, what, 2015?
Don't know. I think the last time I heard it was around 1982. I don't have a turntable anymore, or I'd tell you.
I'll see if I can find the lyrics.
I still have my original copy of Leonard Nimoy's Music from Outer Space.
I'm looking at the song list. It includes...
WHERE IS LOVE
MUSIC TO WATCH SPACE GIRLS BY
TWINKLE TWINDLE LITTLE EARTH
YOU ARE NOT ALONE
The only woman I spoke to outside of work was my ex-wife. That kind of ruined the mood.
My ex-wife blew me off on our anniversary...
Man, I'd love to sit by a fire and hear some tales.
This was back in the days before piss tests and Japanese cabs. Those old steam engineers never did get used to diesel.
Richard--you really can find anything on the Internets.
My ex-wife blew me off on our anniversary...
Missed it by *that* much.
The only woman I spoke to outside of work was my ex-wife. That kind of ruined the mood.
My ex-wife blew me off on our anniversary...
NTodd, Satyriasis Sufferer
Sorry, man.
But, on the bright side, you were one word away from a happy ending.
I see I've come at the wrong time...
-
Coke on its way to JeffCO.
It'll be ice-cold, I'm sure.
Yes, I'm well aware of the magic word.
Our anniv is Jan. 3. Not expecting any gifts. (Although, honestly, we're getting along very well - probably better than in the last 2-3 years.)
MisterX--at least the trolls left. They really smelled up the room downstairs.
Fucking hell. I guess I have to reveal the truth.
I had to break up with NTodd because his penis was huge.
Really huge.
King Kong huge.
Aesthetically hot, physically painful.
Yes, I'm well aware of the magic word.
If there's one thing you know how to get, it's off.
Richard--you really can find anything on the Internets.
Yeah, provided the sites in question haven't reached their bandwidth limits. Geocities (which hosts the Nimoy page I linked to above) sucks.
If there's one thing you know how to get, it's off.
[bows]
I pride myself on my skillz.
I had to break up with NTodd because his penis was huge.
Yes, that's nice, dear. Why don't you go ahead and leave threatening messages on her v-mail again, you sick, twisted fuck.
If you want to hear Nimoy reading "Visit to a Sad Planet" (I misremembered the title) go here:
http://www.birdhouse.org/dv/shac...et.php?
play=low
It requires the Quicktime plugin, and you have to watch a little movie....
If you want to hear Nimoy reading "Visit to a Sad Planet" (I misremembered the title) go here:
http://www.birdhouse.org/dv/shac...et.php?
play=low
It requires the Quicktime plugin, and you have to watch a little movie....
I can't compete.
G'night, all.
Nimoy Page would be a great name for a cult character.
I had to break up with NTodd because his penis was huge.
Huge, though intensive investigation proved lighter than air.
And still Atrios won't link to non-white musicians.
Sheesh.
Atrios' crushing journey towards Blogger Beta has ended.
Atrios' crushing journey towards Blogger Beta has ended.
Stay tuned for details on his erotic journey from Milan to Minsk.
The latest NToddcast.
NTodd, Satyriasis Sufferer | Homepage | 12.23.06 - 1:39 am | #
And when you've crashsed Eschaton again you're excuse will be...?
It requires the Quicktime plugin, and you have to watch a little movie....
I quite enjoyed that little movie. It went well with Nimoy's "Joe Friday" delivery.
And when you've crashsed Eschaton again you're excuse will be...?
Uh...my dick is too small?
And when you've crashsed Eschaton again you're excuse will be...?
Uh...my dick is too small?
Atrios' crushing journey towards Blogger Beta has ended.
That made me scared. I have over three thousand posts to move. Maybe I could be the very last blog to move.
Your dick's too short to box with God?
I had to break up with NTodd because his penis was huge.
Unpossible. As long as a man has fingers it wouldn't matter. Besides, levers are also useful around the house.
"Sometimes things change after the original release.
JeffCO, Snow Blind "
"Close the blast door! Close the blast door!"
"Open the blast door! Open the blast door!"
Yeah. I saw the thing 21 times in the theatre. I was 14 years old.
Except in the video my wife bought me (20 years later), there's no "Open the blast door! Open the blast door!"
I think I'm going crazy.
Damn that Gearge Lucas!
I have over three thousand posts to move.
What you need are the Glengarry Glen Ross leads. Those posts will move themselves.
Play that funky music white boy
Play that funky music right
Play that funky music white boy
Lay down that boogie and play that funky music till you die…
For the group:
Define "troll".
You have fifteen seconds...
-
As long as a man has fingers it wouldn't matter.
Trombone.
Piano.
'nuff said.
I'm baking puff pastry stars with plum jam in the middle of the star. A traditional Finnish Christmas thing and nicer than one might think. Though it's acceptable to use apple jam instead.
The latest NToddcast.
NTodd, Satyriasis Sufferer
Cool. Who is the singer, or am I going to find out if I keep listening?
Altmouse has a new post up.
I think it's an amazing coincidence that I always know exactly when Altmouse is posting. Creepy!
Troll:
A person with nothing to say who keeps saying it anyway.
Ah. Evanescence.
I think it's an amazing coincidence that I always know exactly when Altmouse is posting. Creepy!
It's because you're both so un-partisan!
I think it's an amazing coincidence that I always know exactly when Altmouse is posting. Creepy!
It's because you're both so un-partisan!
I think it's an amazing coincidence that I always know exactly when Altmouse is posting. Creepy!
Thers | Homepage | 12.23.06 - 1:52 am | #
Have you ever noticed that slutty jewish girl and mel gibson only post when I'm around?
Why is that?
Troll:
A person with nothing to say who keeps saying it anyway.
Or a person who participates in a conversation only to destroy it?
The surge will work. You can take that to the bank. President Bush knows what he's doing, in spite of the carping from the far left peanut gallery. Dick Morris called the surge a blueprint for victory in Iraq.
It's because you're both so un-partisan!
This is true, except for my partisanship.
Steve Simels knows a slutty Jewish girl? Teh cool.
Or a person who participates in a conversation only to destroy it?
That's as good a description as any.
Or a person who participates in a conversation only to destroy it?
That too.
I'm guilty of having done that to trolls after all the regulars have gone away.
CHESTER, England (AP) - In an evolutionary twist, Flora the Komodo dragon has managed to become pregnant all on her own without any male help. She is carrying seven baby Komodo dragons.
I prefer classic mouse to alt mouse myself.
Parthenogenesis is a process in which eggs become embryos without male fertilization. It has been seen in about 70 species, including snakes and lizards. Scientists are unsure whether female Komodo dragons have always had this latent ability to reproduce or if this is a new evolutionary development.
The surge will work. You can take that to the bank.
What, will Mr Potter give me 50 cents on the dollar for my surge shares?
She is carrying seven baby Komodo dragons.
I thought they were in eggs outside her already.
"Komodo dragons seem to be able to switch ways of reproducing to deal with a shortage of suitable boyfriends," said Dr. Rick Shine, a professor of evolutionary biology at the University of Sydney, Australia.
CHESTER, England (AP) - In an evolutionary twist, Flora the Komodo dragon has managed to become pregnant all on her own without any male help. She is carrying seven baby Komodo dragons.
Ahem. It's an "intelligently designed twist," thank you.
NTodd --
Your podcast reminds me of old late-night FM radio circa 1974 - 1981.
I'm loving it.
I'd like to present the winner of the First Annual Golden Monkeyfist Au Peer Award:
http://monkeyfister.blogspot.com...r-award-
is.html
Congratulation!
And thank you to the Board of Extraordinarily Esteemed Peers...
--mf
Scientists are unsure whether female Komodo dragons have always had this latent ability to reproduce or if this is a new evolutionary development.
I'd speculate it's always been there, given reptiles' tendency toward that trait. But I'm not going to spend much time testing my hyptothesis.
I think trolls are the people they like to warn us about on TV - the people spending too much time on the internets instead of with real people. What's sad is they don't really interact with anyone online either- it's always a one way act of self-gratification. Hence their love of sweatsock puppets.
Monkeyfister, can I win something next year?
Your podcast reminds me of old late-night FM radio circa 1974 - 1981.
It reminds me of my college radio show from 1-4 AM on Saturdays!
..except for you, NTodd... you were delinquent...
But, I loves ya anyway!
--mf
I thought they were in eggs outside her already.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?
id=2740786
God, I love Moussorgsky.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory? id=2740786
I get an error message.
LAZARO CARDENAS, Mexico (AP) - Soldiers trying to seize control of one Mexico's top drug-producing regions found the countryside teeming with a new hybrid marijuana plant that can be cultivated year-round and cannot be killed with herbicides.
Echidne,
I think that you SHOULD!
I've run out of the easy scores! You and Hecate, and JeffCo, and a whole buncha others are due!
Just keep on bloggin!
--mf
Just keep on bloggin!
My bank account suggests otherwise...
I have such a Winnie Cooper blogcrush on Desi.
Hey, I can win something even if I don't have a blog?
Virgin dragon prepares to give birth in holiday season
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/sci...in_x.htm?
csp=15
..except for you, NTodd... you were delinquent...
Yeah, sorry, I was pre-occupied. And then it was too late.
God, I love Moussorgsky. zut
That's made with eggplant, isn't it?
Hey, I can win something even if I don't have a blog?
The charmer award?
I have such a Winnie Cooper blogcrush on Desi.
Step off, man.
God, I love Moussorgsky.
zut | 12.23.06 - 2:05 am | #
Anti-semite bastard.
Great composer, though.
Hey JeffCo... I thought you were jefferhaim... err (sp)
--mf
God, I love Moussorgsky.
He's dead, you know.
The charmer award? Echidne of the snakes
I would so always make sure you Finnish first.
I would so always make sure you Finnish first.
Finnish women don't have that problem..
But thanks.
Saw the Ben Stiller museum movie and the Good Shepherd today.
Wait for video.
I'll remember that.. The Charmer Award... PERRRRRFECT...
--mf
Simels is an anti-Semite.
NEW YORK (AP) - Google has released a new version of its Blogger service, adding privacy settings that restrict readership to a predetermined audience.
Users can choose to have blogs accessible to anyone or just to themselves.
Finnish women don't have that problem..
[passes out]
Hey JeffCo... I thought you were jefferhaim... err (sp)
Don't tell him that - I think he's still mad at me b/c I asked him not to poke Incog with a stick last week. Yelled at me on his blog and everything.
Users can choose to have blogs accessible to anyone or just to themselves.
Or have blogs accessible to nobody.
Anti-semite bastard.
No! Please! Say it's not true!
He's dead, you know.
I heard. I still love his music.
This year, i hate to say it, there were only so many to go around...
next year, I'll get deeper into the grass...
--mf
Or have blogs accessible to nobody.
I'm starting one of those. Very meta.
Finnish women don't have that problem.
I've always admired self-starters. Preferably from about a foot away.
Yelled at me on his blog and everything.
WELL YOU FUCKING DESERVED IT YOU ANTI-STICK-POKER BASTARD!
I've always admired self-starters. Preferably from about a foot away.
Not what I meant, though.
That's made with eggplant, isn't it?
Take that back!
Oh. Moussaka.
I still love his music.
He's, uh...decomposing.
Not what I meant, though. Echidne
Maybe if you explain it to me slowly. Closer- you can whisper in my ear.
He's, uh...decomposing.
Well, he's one of my favorite decomposers, then.
Maybe if you explain it to me slowly. Closer- you can whisper in my ear.
sweet nothings only
NTodd hopes to spend a night balled on liberal mountain.
Alas, reality calls.
Talk to you guys manana....
sweet nothings only -Echidne
I'm sure your sweet nothings are really something.
NTodd hopes to spend a night balled on liberal mountain.
How'd you hear of my New Year plans?
Yeesh.
Catch y'all on the flip-flop...
-
I'm sure your sweet nothings are really something.
This is why you deserve the charmer award.
Good night, bats. Dream of plum puddings and such.
I have to go to sleep, too. Tomorrow is desperate cleaning and shopping day. Not looking forward to it, but I've scaled everything down a lot so it shouldn't be too bad, except for the crowds.
NTodd hopes to spend a night balled on liberal mountain.
This is why I'll be taking him hostage.
NTodd hopes to spend a night balled on liberal mountain.
How'd you hear of my New Year plans? -NTodd
Prepare to be impressed as I pull these threads together in stunning fashion:
Good luck, MisterGorsky!
NTodd -- I can't vote. I keep getting an error message. I'll try again.
Great podcast.
I used to love it when a late night FM DJ would smoke a huge joint and play everything he loved and could fit into the 6 hours he had, punctuating the sets with some laid back bass-boosted observations and time checks.
Locally, that was usually on KPFK (Pacifica Radio) and KPCC (Pasadena City College).
Good night, bats. Dream of plum puddings and such. -Echidne
G'night... I shall dream of a goddess tongue tickling my ears. Simultaneously.
Good luck, MisterGorsky!
What, have you set foot on the moon?
Great podcast.
[bows]
Actually, it's one of my favorites of late.
Forgot KCRW -- Santa Monica City College.
NTodd hopes to spend a night balled on liberal mountain.
This is why I'll be taking him hostage.
Actually, that's not why, but I will take Haloscan hostage just on principle.
That was the whole point of the Au Peer Award... Having the Awardees get into the deep grass to honor one unknown amongst us.
Next year, I'll go deeper my own self.
--mf
That was the whole point of the Au Peer Award... Having the Awardees get into the deep grass to honor one unknown amongst us.
Next year, I'll go deeper my own self.
If I were not so genteel, I'd make a very crass joke right now.
Aww..
Is it over?
Sundance Channel has The Last Temptation of Christ.
Ya see Twisted Sister do come all ye faithful on the late late show?
scared me awake.
creekwhore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S...h?
v=S3JDmef_OqM
Sundance Channel has The Last Temptation of Christ.
Barbara Hershey was pretty fucking hot.
Barbara Hershey was pretty fucking hot.
She just got finished fucking a n*gger.
She just got finished fucking a n*gger.
That's...deep, dude.
She just got finished fucking a n*gger.
That's...deep, dude.
Sounds like I have a little friend, as Incog once said to me.
WWII differed from WWI, in that the weary world finally nodded to the non-German West, that they had managed to kill so many young men on the enemy side, that the former ancient kingdoms could never, ever think about contintental conquest again.
At least, not without the imprimatuer of the United States or Russia.
Okay, I'm finally out. l8rh9rs.
'Night, NTodd. Thanks for the music.
I'm on vacation, suckers!!!!
Tomorrow I'll be eating gumbo on Bourbon Street.
Suxxors to not be me!!!
I'm on vacation, suckers!!!!
Tomorrow I'll be eating gumbo on Bourbon Street.
Suxxors to not be me!!!
I OWN THIS BOARD!!!
I'M RUNNING AROUND NAKED, WITH SCISSORS!!!!
BOOYAH!!!
Tomorrow I'll be eating gumbo on Bourbon Street.
Give him my regards.
Zut allors!!! Un poof!
George Bush has lost all touch with reality.
Bush is denying the advice of the commanders in the field.
Zut allors
Mais tu es inculte, et commment.
Morning, cocksuckers!!
Mais tu es inculte, et commment.
As I said earlier, a troll is a person who has nothing to say, but who keeps saying it anyway.
Echidne said that a troll is a person who enters a conversation intending to destroy it.
Chill out, Crumb.
Has anybody seen my balls?
Essaye cette manoeuvre: Prendre 50-60 pas en arrière. Prendre plusieurs souffles profonds. Sprinter en avant à toute vitesse. Faire un triple saut périlleux en l'air et disparaître dans ton propre cul.
Coup de grace...
Chalise tabernaque ce coir!!!!
Lazzier les bonne temps roulez!
Lait!!! Shampooing!!! Rasin!!
FRAMBOISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Je me SOUVIENS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bon nuit, suceux de balus.
hey, zut.
Hey, Sarah. I'm just about ready to call it a night. The courage.com trolls (the ones who are only ballsy when they're online) showed up right after NTodd said good night, and the party's over.
How are you?
Bonne nuit, cabron.
Bonne nuit, cabron.
Good night, Sarah. I'm out.
Sweet dreams when you find sleep.
Well this is certainly good news. Fox News no longer in the top ten of cable shows.
Morning peeps. Certainly is quiet here this morning.
Circuit Judge of US Appeals: Bush Smog Enforcement Bushit
i changed my name for xmas.
Olaf
Are you one of the reindeer pulling Santa's sleigh?
i am the other reindeer. the one who used to laugh at rudolph and call him names.
Isn't that how Rush got his start?
I toss booze bottles at that bitch rudolf.
i am the other reindeer. the one who used to laugh at rudolph and call him names.
Olaf, the other reindeer
Isn't that how Rush got his start?
Gimlet
They never let poor Limbaugh join in any reindeer games?
I know from a experience that a guy looking like that would certainly be the last kid picked for kickball.
"Limbaugh with your lard so great,
Won't you grease up my sled's skates?"
Olaf, you should have slipped him some Mickeys. Little bitch that he is.
Santa is a biased motherfucker too.
Uncle Smokes, I'm glad you didn't say grease up Limpballs.... you know.
Tiny is in prison right now anyways.
the chimp pontificates..'we are not winning, but we are not losing'...
What is a quagmire? Webster's defines it as being (in) a situation from which extrication is very difficult. Maybe it is like pornography: It is hard to explain, but you know it when you see it!
snip
History has shown that to date, no Islamic-controlled country has ever been a Democracy - nor will it ever be! The Muslim religion and Democracy are incompatible. Anyone who believes that a conversion is possible must be delusional. We must ask those in government why then, do we continue to stumble down this fruitless path? If there are no answers to any of the questions above, then perhaps that is what defines a quagmire!
History has shown that to date, no Islamic-controlled country has ever been a Democracy - nor will it ever be!
An Islamic Democracy?
No problem. The trick is in the details. See for example how we avoided having our new interrogation techniques labeled "torture".
Aha! Iraq, rocking in it's cradle of democracy experiencing embryonic civil war labor pains....
The Muslim religion and Democracy are incompatible.
******************************
well, democracy is incompatible with christianity, too. and with just about every other religion.
iran is actually a democracy. kind of a weird one, but a democracy.
Lacey things your wife is missin'
Didn't ask for her permission
I'm wearin' her clothes, her silk panty hose...
Walkin round' in women's underwear
In the store there's a teddy
with little straps like spagetti..
It holds me so tight like handcuffs at night..
Walkin' round in women's underwear
In the office there's a guy named Melvin -
He pretends that I am Murphy Brown
He'll say "are you ready?" we'll say "WOW! Man...lets wait until the wife is outta town!"
Later on if you wanna, we can dress like Madonna
Put on some high shade and join the parade..
Walkin' round' in women's underwear~
depends on how you define the definition of "is" is....
Modo "interviews" Trump
Surprised that I agree with some of his thoughts.
“No matter how long we stay in Iraq, no matter how many soldiers we send, the day we leave, the meanest, most vicious, most brilliant man in the country, a man who makes Saddam Hussein look like a baby, will take over and spit on the American flag,” he says. “Bush will go down as the worst and by far the dumbest president in history.”
“No matter how long we stay in Iraq, no matter how many soldiers we send, the day we leave, the meanest, most vicious, most brilliant man in the country, a man who makes Saddam Hussein look like a baby, will take over and spit on the American flag,” he says. “Bush will go down as the worst and by far the dumbest president in history.”
That about sums it up. We are fighting now to get back to square one.
well, democracy is incompatible with christianity, too. and with just about every other religion.
Olaf, the other reindeer
I agree. Only secular democracy is really possible. Otherwise religious law will always dominate and religious leaders will always have a veto or the ability to make laws as they please.
Congress Shall Make No Law Rexxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx. All Rights Not Enumerated Shall Be xxxx xxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxx. Freedom Of The Press Shall Noxxxxx xx xxxxxx xxx xxxxxxxx. The Right Of The People To xxxxxx xxxxx Shall In No Way Be xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxx.
=*=
Morning, all.
Only secular democracy is really possible.
True dat, America is fortunate to have had great leaders such as Jefferson and Franklin at the founding, clowns in charge now trying to roll all that back.
Hmmmm... I have just examined all of you computers, and they're all full of porn, you fucking perverts!!
Your'e not going to get fuck all for Christmas this year.
Lion's offensive lineman Dominic Riola, "And then another positive, really, is where can we go from here? You can't get worse."
Was he talking about the Lions or Bush?
Hmmmm... I have just examined all of you computers, and they're all full of porn, you fucking perverts!!
Your'e not going to get fuck all for Christmas this year.
Homie Klaus
If there's any porn the terrorists win.
=*=
Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Osmani was killed Tuesday by a U.S. airstrike while traveling by vehicle in a deserted area in the southern province of Helmand, the U.S. military said. Two associates also were killed, the U.S. said.
Osmani, regarded as one of three top associates of Omar, is the highest-ranking Taliban leader that the coalition has claimed to have killed or captured since U.S. forces deployed in Afghanistan to oust of the Taliban regime in late 2001 for hosting bin Laden.
Another # 2?
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/
...artner=homepage
Porn is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?
I find George Bush to be extremely pornographic and sex? Not so much, you know?
Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Osmani was killed Tuesday by a U.S. airstrike while traveling by vehicle in a deserted area in the southern province of Helmand, the U.S. military said.
They keep beheading the snake not realizing they are fighting an army of hydras.
Bush is pornographic. Sex is not.
morning, all.
Square one. There's a tho't - I still think we were missing a beat by sending the native tribes off when they had been doing a better job than that Geo.
Morning, rational people.
hi, Olaf. Weird democracy of tribal decisions, all the respected MEN decide things.
The Peace Symbol
The first famous persone to use the peace symbol was Bertrand Russell. His group used it during a protest march in 1958 for nuclear disarmament in Aldermaston, England. Activist Gerald Holtom, who designed the symbol, based it on the international semaphore alphabet. This system uses flag signals in place of letters like a code. The peace sign is already the flag signals for N and D superimposed upon each other and it stands for Nuclear Disarmament. It has since become the international symbol for peace.
www.PeaceButtons.info
ready to send your sons and daughters?
'OK, so the exercise being planned by Selective Service is merely "routine" and, unless some funding shows up, will probably not be run in 2009 anyway. But why did the issue come to the fore at this time? Coincidence?'
at http://www.cabdrollery.blogspot.com
Diane how's that cold coming along?
Good morning, everyone.
CSpan just ran through a list of the guests on the Sunday talkshows and once again we seem to be in a dearth of Democrats mode. Howard Dean will be on Late Edition with Wolfie, but so will Dubya. Laura Bush will have Face the Nation all to herself. And GHWB and Babs will be on This Week. It's a regular Bushorama this weekend. Think I'll sleep late and then watch football.
Porn is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?
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DWD -Dirty Fucking Hippy
Porn is in the hand of the bestroker--the free hand that is....
I was reluctantly listening to the cretin in chief awhile ago when he couldn't pronounce proliferation, at which time I realized it starts with prolife - no wonder he stuttered. Where were his minions ?
Diane how's that cold coming along?
Ruth, revolted
It's better, I guess. I have my voice back (sorta kinda), but my chest is congested.
The main thing, though, is the fever is gone.
At the moment I'm feeling pretty chipper.
W used up the "A" team in his first term. I think we're down to the "m" team now.
Morning again folks. Very cloudy here and the planes are flying low.
read your email, glad you're better Diane - at your worst you're still out front. Today get thru the xmas ordeal with the crazies.
iran is actually a democracy. kind of a weird one, but a democracy.
It was a not-weird democracy before we helped the Shah overthrow it.
I was reluctantly listening to the cretin in chief awhile ago when he couldn't pronounce proliferation, at which time I realized it starts with prolife - no wonder he stuttered. Where were his minions ?
Ruth, revolted
"Whut Ah'm talkin' 'bout, folks, is we need more fam'lies limited to Mom 'n' Dad 'n' 2.3 kids. Ah'm talkin' 'bout Nook-yuh-ler Pro-Lifer-Ayshun!"
Oy. Crikey. One of the mornings where even mighty Coffee is not working very well.
G'morning, all. what fresh outrages hath sprung up?
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W used up the "A" team in his first term. I think we're down to the "m" team now.
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ql in ny
It's the Elemenopee Team.
iran is actually a democracy. kind of a weird one, but a democracy.
Turkey's a democracy.
Lebanon used to be a democracy and now drifts in and out of democracy and anarchy, depending on what its neighbors are doing.
What's the state of democracy in Algeria these days?
Also, Juan Cole has the money quotes, about the U.S. being NOT a Christian nation.
The US Senate, full of founding fathers, and the Adams government, approved the Treaty with Tripoli (now Libya) of 1797, which included this language:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
hi cynicus, uncle smokes - well, no wonder he was confused. english language is just plain Hard Work.
The WSJ is desperately trying to keep the workers subjugated and Go Shopping is the meme.
*sigh* Democracy is a form of government, not a moral value. It is a form of governance that is better than other forms for creating/protecting/preserving a number of things that are in the citizen interests - which can be moral values - but virtue is not an automatic feature of democracy.
but the fact that ww associate 'democracy' with these good things is why every tinpot dictatorship works vurra hard to claim to be a 'democracy'.
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Karin | 12.23.06 - 8:15 am
As usual, Juan Cole nails it.
I think Olav's comment above about how any religiously based government can't really be a true democracy was pretty right on as well.
The WSJ is desperately trying to keep the workers subjugated and Go Shopping is the meme.
Ruth, revolted
Work for Less, Shop for More.
My problem with Democracy has always been this: essentially, it is incompatible with capitalism.
In a democracy the people should decide what is best for them. In a capitalistic society, the market should decide. When one segment of the population can control the marketplace, they can then extend that control to political sphere.
The means of doing this are the lifeblood of capitalism: cash money. People will say and do anything for sufficient money.
So the incompatibility remains and we are left in the wake of those who control the purse strings also control the government.
Wow! Too early to be so heavy, sorry.
The poll at CNN is with the program
Have you done all your holiday shopping?
Yes 62% 10463 votes
No 38% 6278 votes
Total: 16741 votes
I have to get some socks for my mom, guess that makes me a minority group.
G'morning, all. what fresh outrages hath sprung up?
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Cynicus
Spam is now 93% of all email.
400,000 new zombies per day for Xmas.
G'morning, Ruth.
Rhetorical question : Will the Brilliant Economists of the WSJ EVER consider that, after years of cutting pay & benefits for workers, exporting jobs, and pushing 'easy credit' traps for us proles, there comes a point where we simply have nothing more left to buy their imported-from-china shit?
They may mock a dirt-grubbing Amish farmer as being "behind the times", but at least said farmer realizes they have to put some seed in the ground to harvest. The brilliant corporatists of the WSJ want sustainable strip-mining.
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I am up early helping Mrs DWD clean the rest of the house for company. I am down here because she is in full,
When in danger or in doubt
run in circles,
scream and shout.
Mode.
'People will say and do anything for sufficient money. '
not quite. look at all the groups of perfectly able people trying to bring humane treatment to others.
but the fact that ww associate 'democracy' with these good things is why every tinpot dictatorship works vurra hard to claim to be a 'democracy'.
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That's what I was beginning to wonder about after my last post -- what do we really mean by democracy? Egypt claims to be a democracy, and on some levels operates democratically and on other levels operates like a dictatorship, kinda like our great ally Pakistan.
Toonscribe, I think the issue is confusing "voting" with "democracy".
but the fact that ww associate 'democracy' with these good things is why every tinpot dictatorship works vurra hard to claim to be a 'democracy'.
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Cynicus
Sir Humphrey: East Yemen, isn't that a democracy?
Sir Richard: Its full name is the People's Democratic Republic of East Yemen.
Sir Humphrey: Ah I see, so it's a communist dictatorship.
-- Nigel Hawthorne and Donald Pickering, Yes, Prime Minister, "A Victory for Democracy"
'we simply have nothing more left to buy their imported-from-china shit? '
my belief is that Henry Ford invented the middle class when he paid workers enuff to afford their product. Merka resulted.
DWD, can't you fluff a pillow? she'd be grateful, I'm sure
not quite. look at all the groups of perfectly able people trying to bring humane treatment to others.
Ruth, revolted
And look at what we have for a government?
I am sorry, Ruth, I truly disagree here. Certainly there are those of us who give a shit but we have neither the money or position to impose our views on society. That is the difference.
Now we no longer even consider liberal ideas. The choice seems to be between Naziism and repression.
my belief is that Henry Ford invented the middle class when he paid workers enuff to afford their product. Merka resulted.
Ruth, revolted
You mean when Henry Ford was dragged kicking and screaming by the UAW to pay a living wage?
Spam is now 93% of all email.
400,000 new zombies per day for Xmas.
Hmm, well, if you let me count bills as spam (being completely unwanted, i assure you), then 100% of my old-style USPS put-a-stamp-on-it mail is spam.
At least email i still occasionally hear from someone i wish to, between notes about growing my dick and investing in Nigeria.
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I think the issue is confusing "voting" with "democracy".
Probably so. After pondering in my early morning pre-coffee state and considering the actions of my own government over the last few years, I am forced to the conclusion that we don't have much of a democracy here either -- although we shall see what the incoming Congress brings.
Ford paid the living wage. Carnegie broke the union and then donated his fortune to culture which his workers couldn't afford. And if I recall, his peers tho't ford was crazy.
my belief is that Henry Ford invented the middle class when he paid workers enuff to afford their product. Merka resulted.
I also think the imposition of a minimum wage, 40 hr work week, social security, & unemployment insurance had something to do with it. All of which were pushed strongly by unions and socialist/communist groups at the time.
'At least email i still occasionally hear from someone i wish to, between notes about growing my dick and investing in Nigeria.
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Cynicus'
how can you reject thosee wellmeaning fellas? and don't you rate enuff to get investment schemes?
something at work has suddenly eliminated all the spam and I don't know what it was. Wondrful but strange.
Hmm, well, if you let me count bills as spam (being completely unwanted, i assure you), then 100% of my old-style USPS put-a-stamp-on-it mail is spam.
The "U" in "UCE" (spam) is defined as "unsolicited", not "unwanted".
At least with dead tree junk mail I can send my pizza flyers to Citibank in their convenient SASE envelopes.
Good morning fashionable people.
I did next to nothing for Xmas shopping--bought some things for the little ones in my family (online). But did do some serious cooking and baking.
I can proudly say I did not step one foot in a mall this season.
It's raining hard here in Beantown--a glum, gray morning.
Off to the fish market in a while to get the critters needed for the Feast of Seven Fishes for tomorrow evening.
'pushed strongly by unions and socialist/communist groups '
Hi, Karin. Also it's in the bible that all those xtian ranters supposedly follow.
Please don't think Ford was all that enlightened, Ruth.
From wikipedia:
Ford was adamantly against labor unions in his plants. To forestall union activity, he promoted Harry Bennett, a former Navy boxer, to be the head of the Service Department. Bennett employed various intimidation tactics to squash union organizing. The most famous incident, in 1937, was a bloody brawl between company security men and organizers that became known as The Battle of the Overpass.
Ford was the last Detroit automaker to recognize the United Auto Workers union (UAW). A sit-down strike by the UAW union in April 1941 closed the River Rouge Plant. Under pressure from Edsel and his wife, Clara, Henry Ford finally agreed to collective bargaining at Ford plants, and the first contract with the UAW was signed in June 1941.
As I recall, a lot of early communists were not in favor of things like minimum wage, etc., which they dismissed as mere "trade unionism" -- bandaids to keep the capitalist system functioning and a way to keep workers from realizing their true proletariat allegiance.
i envy you being in Boston, that's something I would love. Is Durgin Park still serving bloody cuts of roast?
Oh, crap!
Happy Holidays:
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Insurgent attacks killed five more American troops west of the Iraqi capital, the military said Friday, making December the second deadliest month for U.S. servicemen in 2006.
So far this month, 76 American troops have died in Iraq, the same number that were killed in all of April. With nine days remaining in December, the monthly total of U.S. deaths could meet or exceed the death toll of 105 in October.
considering the actions of my own government over the last few years, I am forced to the conclusion that we don't have much of a democracy here either -- although we shall see what the incoming Congress brings.
My take is that we are a fully-functioning and representative republic/democracy.
You just are confused about citizenship (don't feel bad, the confusion is deliberately created). Once upon a time, and still when speaking rhetorically, government representation was the result of the franchise (as defined by law - being a citizen of certain years, etc).
Today, effective -EFFECTIVE - meaning "actually changes the actions of government" - representation is by becoming one of the class of Campaign Contributors. These are those who buy representation by donation of money, and their representation is proportional to the amount bought. A low 4 figure donor will get a minute of the Congressman's time, the 5 figure will be listened to, the six figure will be accomodated, the seven figure and up donor the Congressman will call the Contributor and beg for a moment of THEIR time, etc.
If you look at representation being a function of this change in the nature of 'citizenship', from 'voter' to 'Campaign Contributor', you will, i think, see that American representative government is still going strong. It's just disenfranchised 90%+ of the population.
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Karin, I guess Henry didn't get dragged happily into it, but was at the forefront when he paid a living wage. Incidentally, my bumper sticker of my dreams is "Don't Kill - Pay a Living Wage".
Ford paid the living wage. Carnegie broke the union and then donated his fortune to culture which his workers couldn't afford. And if I recall, his peers tho't ford was crazy.
Ruth
Carnegie believed if he paid his workers more money they would just waste it on beer. Better to keep it in the hands of the nobility who would do good things for society. Carnegie did endow public libraries out of his sense of noblesse oblige, but he was still a son of a bitch.
If you look at representation being a function of this change in the nature of 'citizenship', from 'voter' to 'Campaign Contributor', you will, i think, see that American representative government is still going strong. It's just disenfranchised 90%+ of the population.
But then we're an oligarchy...
Or an oligarchic democracy...
Or a democratic oligarchy...
Damn. Politics is confusing.
Karen, don't forget that the 40 hour work week was the starting point. They figured once they had that, they could negotiate lower hours in the future. It did get down to 35 but seems to be creeping up. I have to work 37 1/2.
caller on CSpan - Bush is so cavalier with other people's children.
'Ray, citizen.
Did you know, ql, that Carnegie had his servants buried in his own family plot? guess so even in death....
heh
Karin, I guess Henry didn't get dragged happily into it, but was at the forefront when he paid a living wage. Incidentally, my bumper sticker of my dreams is "Don't Kill - Pay a Living Wage".
Ruth, revolted
I like that.
How about "A Minute Wage Is A Killing Wage?"
Or "The Wages of Death Is A Sin."
i envy you being in Boston, that's something I would love. Is Durgin Park still serving bloody cuts of roast?
Ruth, revolted
yes, it's still in operation with the surly waitresses, huge portions of beef and steaming corn bread. I haven't been there in years--even though it's just a five minute walk from me. I live one building away from Paul Revere's house, and haven't visited him in years either.
He's never home. Antisocial, I guess.
When diabetics are diagnosed and begin treatment and management of their condition, they are often encouraged to cultivate awareness of a suite of symptoms that signal impending hypoglycemia.
In the case of this particular "ugly bag of mostly water" my mainstay anti-hypertension medication is specifically conta-indicated for use in concert with my anti-diabetes secretor med because it masks the racing heartbeat that is considered the signature symptom of low blood sugar.
Still, there are enough others that I am getting fairly adept at perceiving when my blood glucose level falls below 100 mg/dl or so. Most
prominent, a general feeling of unwellness; then
pronounced mental dullness, followed shortly by physical clumsiness ans stumbling. It's such a happy thing!
Henry Ford had said he would never cave in to the unions. He didn't like their politics and he wanted total control over his company and his workers. He had run the company paternalistically and many workers still had his picture over their mantles. He also ruled by fear: Harry Bennett, his right hand man, hired spies and thugs (many were ex-cons), 2,000 of them, to man his "Service Department." He ran the Rouge Plant like a Central European police state. Anti-union groups were encouraged, workers were urged to spy on each other and feared losing their jobs if they participated in any union discussions.
The UAW began its campaign by putting up billboards saying "Fordism is Fascism" and "Unionism is Americanism". Small clandestine union meetings were held throughout the Rouge plant in order to develop leaders. But Walter Reuther decided that the UAW had to make a bold move to show the workers that the union was as strong and powerful as the Ford regime. An initial attempt involving flying low over the plant in a plane with a loudspeaker was ineffectual. Reuther decided to make a stand, and scheduled a massive leaflet campaign at the Rouge plant for May 26, 1937. He got a license from the city of Dearborn, opened two union halls nearby, and made two reconnaissance trips to the Miller Road Overpass at Gate 4.
Knowing that it would be dangerous and foolish to go alone, he invited clergymen, reporters, photographers, and staffers of a Senate Committee on Civil Liberties to join the organizers. That morning he addressed 100 women from the women's auxiliary of Local 174 who were supposed to hand out the leaflets to arriving and departing workers on Miller Road.
Two hours before the scheduled time, newspapermen arrived at the site and saw 25 cars filled with men in sunglasses who warned them to get out of the area, and threatened photographers.
An hour before shift change, just before 2 p.m., Walter Reuther, Richard T. Frankensteen, in charge of the overall Ford drive, Robert Kanter, and J.J. Kennedy, the UAW's East Side regional director arrived. The Detroit News photographer, James E. (Scotty) Kilpatrick, thought the backdrop of the Ford sign would make a great picture, and obligingly, the union men walked up the two flights of iron stairs to the overpass.
Facing the photographers, Reuther and his partners had their backs to the thugs that were approaching them. The newsmen's warnings were too late. They were attacked brutally: punched and kicked repeatedly. Frankensteen recounted how two men held his legs apart while another kicked him repeatedly in the groin. One man placed his heel in his abdomen, grinding it, then put his full weight on it. Reuther was punched in the face, abdomen and back and kicked down the stairs. Kanter was pushed off the bridge and fell 30 feet.
http://info.detnews.com/history/
...category=events
As I recall, a lot of early communists were not in favor of things like minimum wage, etc., which they dismissed as mere "trade unionism" -- bandaids to keep the capitalist system functioning and a way to keep workers from realizing their true proletariat allegiance.
They abandoned that idea in the 1930's, and became the backbone of many major unions.
Did you know, ql, that Carnegie had his servants buried in his own family plot? guess so even in death....
Kings, Emperors, Pharaohs, all that lot, have always been buried with servants. Plutocrats too, i suppose.
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I shudder to think of all the people who have the evenings and weekends off and do not know of the enormous amount of blood that was spilled to achieve that.
I read a great book, "Into the Furnace" about the steel mills and unionization. I don't remember the author. The working conditions (and living conditions for that matter) were horendous. Carnegie didn't want to build a guard rail around a steel cat walk just because the union requested it. Meanwhile the workers were forced to work at lease one 24 hr. shift every week or every other week. Several lost their balance and fell into the furnace which wouldn't have happened if the guard rail had been built. They lived in one room shacks with dirt floors. The housewives covered the dirt with tarps.
And Henry Ford was a NOTED Anti-Semite as well.
Sorry, Ruth, he was a son of a bitch.
My family spilled some of that blood. I get right cranky when people get on about unions.
"You got a better idea, Sparky?"
Carnegie did endow a lot of libraries, I'll give him that. Other billionaires of the period spent their money building mansions & collecting Old Masters.
How about "A Minute Wage Is A Killing Wage?"
Or "The Wages of Death Is A Sin."
Uncle Smokes
Unk, you are certainly on a roll this morning.
And Merry Christmas Eve-eve to all.
(can't resist that bit of silliness as my mother has done that for as long as I can remember)
plantsmn, a friend of mine went to the circus with husband (diabetic) and kids, the sweets were so expensive he tried to hold out when he felt the onslaught, they had to be taken out with him on a stretcher. Carry something with you, pls.
Shaw, I love Boston gardens too, you're making me homesick. [But on the river in Cambridge a landlady of a friend died, living in the basement of one of the buildings she owned. She had millions.]
My mother was due to be laid in repose next to her mother-in-law, my father's mother. As I recall, her
exact words were, " If you think I'm spending eternity next to THAT BITCH,..."
DWD, If she's in panic mode the best thing you can do is volunteer to clean the bathroom(s) that keeps you our of the way of flying objects and scores you points as a great guy at the same time.
Several lost their balance and fell into the furnace which wouldn't have happened if the guard rail had been built. They lived in one room shacks with dirt floors. The housewives covered the dirt with tarps.
the difference between First world and Third World manufacturing is the result of unionization and labor laws.
Hence the export of all manufacturing to the Third World. It just isn't Robber Baroning if the employees have central heat & air and all their limbs, the same as their betters, now is it?
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I've got the glucose tablets handy Ruth, and I'm tucking a bottle in the console of my pick-up today.
Not to worry -- I'm taking this surprisingly seriously.
I recently read Which Side Are You On? Trying to Be for Labor When It's Flat on Its Back, by Thomas Geoghegan. It's an honest, personal book in which Mr. Geoghegan struggles with labor ssues that are not easily resolved. Well worth your time, if the current state of labor interests you (and I think it should).
I miss Wiley and Gizmo and the red piece of furniture, personally.
DWD, ql, I know he wasn't exactly a sweetheart, but he was the first to pay enuff for workers to buy his product, which was a concept our present day investors haven't understood yet. It's back to dirt floors in India and such, where our customer inquiries are answered by people who can't afford the products they promote.
They abandoned that idea in the 1930's, and became the backbone of many major unions.
Which is why I said "early communists."
I miss Wiley and Gizmo and the red piece of furniture, personally.
plantsman
PZ Myers at Pharyngula *never* misses a Friday cephalopod.
They're so cuddly.
The fact that many Asian workers cannot afford the Running and Training shoes they assemble has been well-documented.
I miss Wiley and Gizmo and the red piece of furniture, personally.
plantsman, lowercase | 12.23.06 - 8:58 am | #
agreed. Where have the cats been? Plantsman, we are finally going to get that weather you sent down here. Possible snow for Xmas! Are you travelling for the holiday?
Making candy today with the SIL...do I have all the ingredients? Nooooooo!
And Merry Christmas Eve-eve to all.
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billy b - mr. hooker sir john
Christmas Eve-Eve, wherein we celebrate the almost born Baby Jesus giving Mary a sharp kick in the womb to let her know who was boss.
Hence the export of all manufacturing to the Third World. It just isn't Robber Baroning if the employees have central heat & air and all their limbs, the same as their betters, now is it?
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Cynicus
Simpler and cruder than that. You can only sell your services to someone with more money than you. Or goods, for that matter. Economies of scale roll in here, and you get the price of goods down by increasing their number, but the expense of production has to be controlled as well. Either way, you can't reach parity between who is producing and who is consuming, not if you want to get rich, which is what the machine allows. Once we moved from land=wealth to product=wealth, the formula was set. Machines just ramped it up beyond the reach/control of the guilds, and it became inevitable that the worker had to be as fungible as the machinery, to make the system reap the profits owners could learn to desire.
So it isn't just snobbery and social jealousy. It's the system. It can't be fixed, only rejected wholesale. You either live in Omelas, or you walk away. But then, where do you go?
Uncle Smokes, thks for the lead. Yes, we all have to be concerned when poverty is on the rise and is actively promoted by executives who are accumulating more wealth than they can use. Ken Lay had five houses in Aspen. Why?
Well, it's Xmas Eve-Eve; so I think I'll decorate the tree today. As a depressive who used to leave the tree up until March, I have a lot of atoning to do.
back to dirt floors in India and such, where our customer inquiries are answered by people who can't afford the products they promote.
Ruth
Actually, the call centers are manned by urban, mostly middle class kids. They need people that can speak English and have a reasonable education for that work.
You want horror, look at ship breaking in India.
You want horror, look at ship breaking in India.
JR, kerosene and a match
Computer recycling. Not sure where it takes place, just not around here.
Lots of heavy metals in computers, especially in the monitors. Which seldom burn out, donchaknow? We just like a shiny new one.
I am snugly ensconced, 3000 miles from living members of my family -- and that is the way it will remain. My sister, the successful Type 'A' corporate attorney throws such an elaborate holiday that my feeble offerings were all but missed in the wash of consumerism. I shall no longer compete.
Cell phones require a particular element that is found only in the Congo, mined by children.
I only use mine now for emergencies. Recycle, pls.
Odd how "Eve-Eve" cropped up almost simultaneously, all along the Tubes, innit?
Ken Lay had five houses in Aspen. Why?
Ruth, revolted
To inspire us all to embrace the American Wet Dream: Scaling a mountain of workers' backs with a fistful full of knives.
I'm sitting here with CNN on with the inevitable "advice" about how to handle the holidays. Sanjay is preaching about not drinking, only eat the vegetables, kids prefer $2 "thoughtful" gifts over $40 gifts, there's only 2 shopping days until Xmas and the procrastinaters [raises hand] better get to it, and on and on, ad nauseum.
Like I'm going to listen to CNN's advice on anything.
happy you, plantsman. And glad to hear you're on guard against attacks of insulin drop.
I do xmas with the crazy mom today and have to listen to all her miracles of the voices. And keep from screaming obscenities. I'll get thru.
"Their roots are all connected...." Scooter, you dolt!
It's back to dirt floors in India and such, where our customer inquiries are answered by people who can't afford the products they promote.
S sort of demented reverse pyramid scheme, where the goal is to push the economic well-being of the general population as low as possible - and the 'customers' to buy the products/services will magically appear from somewhere.
Of course, the dream business model right now is loans, or insurance. In loans, you drib out some of your money (that you already hold)and then spnd years getting it back plus more. No 'production' required. And the other is insurance - whic no longer is even sort of about protecting people, but is about taking in money, investing it in the Great God Stock Masrket, and making profit thusly. (and avoiding paying out any of that money collected, but that's another issue.) Tis too is about playing with money, and leaves 'production' up to someone else.
[Fun Fact: Detriot's Big Three automakers no longer make cars for profit. Their profit comes from their lending divisions - GMAC, et al. And that's more than fine with them.]
That's American business today. Avoid that nasty 'making something' or 'doing something' - leave that to other people, even other countries. Real Bidness is shuffling your money around for fun and profit.
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I shall no longer compete.
plantsman, lowercase | 12.23.06 - 9:07 am | #
I understand. Why did I think that you and Dr. Barmpot were related?
Computer recycling. Not sure where it takes place, just not around here.
Lots of heavy metals in computers, especially in the monitors. Which seldom burn out, donchaknow? We just like a shiny new one.
Rmj, Street Credentialed
Ironically, the disposal is done mostly in China.
I do xmas with the crazy mom today and have to listen to all her miracles of the voices. And keep from screaming obscenities. I'll get thru.
Ruth, revolted
Oh, you'll get through it, but I'm really sorry you have to go through that. I'll have the candle lit and the virtual porch light on.
My least favorite memory of Family Christmas was between about 2 and 4 pm Christmas Day, when the psychotic breaks would set in.
Which seldom burn out, donchaknow? We just like a shiny new one.
Rmj, Street Credentialed
I have difficulty replacing stuff that still works. I'm a very bad consumer.
As a personal aside, I really wish that Mo Do hadn't gone for the cheap and easy pun for the title and at the end of this wouldbe fluff piece. But Trump's observations about Bush and Iraq alone are worth posting this and save this from being another piece of Dowdian eye candy. Ah, if only Donald could say to the Decider, "You're fired!
Dr. Barmpot and I are both diabetics and have many shared memories of the Phoenix area, and are friends. That's all I have. Except to add that she was most solicitous right after my diabetes diagnosis, for which I am deeply grateful.
insurance co's claiming they had to pay out huge amounts so have to raise rates - when they actually took a bath in tech investments, with your money, are only now getting back on thier feet.
I do xmas with the crazy mom today and have to listen to all her miracles of the voices. And keep from screaming obscenities. I'll get thru.
Ruth, revolted
I'm curious. My mother was a paranoid schizophrenic. Are your mother's "voices" a clinical problem, or just an over-enthusiastic reaction to growing old?
where the goal is to push the economic well-being of the general population as low as possible - and the 'customers' to buy the products/services will magically appear from somewhere.
As you mention, the current corporate heads could care less about selling product for profit. The "business model" boils down to doing whatever it takes to get the stock price up so the few can capitalize on their stock options.
Pet-Peeve Alert*
* Much of China's smog traverses the Pacific and lands in The Pacific NW preciptated in rain. Grrrr!!!
Cell phones require a particular element that is found only in the Congo, mined by children.
You had better stop using anything electronic, tantalum is ubiquitous.
It is also mined in a lot of places other than the Congo, including Canada and Australia.
The issue is the Congo, not tantalum.
It smells like snow outside here east of Tucson. None is falling but the scent of it is still there. I wonder if there'll be a white Christmas morning here.
'I'll have the candle lit and the virtual porch light on.
Diane C. Barking-Mad'
Thks, you've done me a world of good already, giving me a place to vent.
Doug, I know I cannot spell this correctly, but are you near the Chiracawa Mtns.?
The Goldman Sachs guy got a 53 million dollar bonus. I was trying find some way to put this in perspective. The average Starbucks store has revenues of about 850,000. Their margin is 17% and I think I can infur their payroll is probably about half of their overhead. So the payroll at the average starbucks is probably in the neighborhood of $350,000 per year.
So this one Goldman Sachs guy made enough in one bonus to pay the payroll at about 150 Starbucks stores.
plantsman, lowercase | 12.23.06 - 9:15 am | #
The fog has lifted. As a member of a family for whom diabetes is a curse I do sympathize. My uncle was not only a diabeting but a Xian-scientist. MB Eddy has a lot to answer for in my mind. After he died, I read Science and Health with key to the Scriptures. I have never read a more incoherent work of fiction.
It oculd have been written by Swift's room full of monkeys. How anyone can believe that tripe is beyond imagination.
insurance co's claiming they had to pay out huge amounts so have to raise rates - when they actually took a bath in tech investments, with your money, are only now getting back on thier feet.
Add in their efforts to break contract on paying out Katrina damages they are contractuallly obligated by their policies to pay, because paying out that much money hurts.
and remember both these things the next time you hear the Idiot-in-Chief talking about 'fixin on social Securitah' by handing umpteen trillion of US govn't funds to these companies........
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afternoon moonbats
Works in mysterious ways.
"First Church of Christ, Scientist"
Not hardly.
My least favorite memory of Family Christmas was between about 2 and 4 pm Christmas Day, when the psychotic breaks would set in.
plantsman, lowercase
My favorite moment was the Christmas morning where I found under the tree, completely unexpected, a mountain dulcimer Mom and Dad bought for me in Branson.
It was a final acknowledgement of how important and permanent music was in my life.
I wept a bit while thanking them. I'm tearing up now thinking about it.
Depsite all the insanity I miss them terribly. Dec. 28 will mark the tenth anniversary of Mom's death (Dad followed 9 months later with a broken heart, literally and figuratively).
Mom was determined to have one more Christmas. She willed it so.
How anyone can believe that tripe is beyond imagination.
Hellkitty
Go over to "Fundies Say The Darndest Things", your imagination will be weeping in the corner in no time.
Uncle Smokes, it's clinical. She's a diagnosed schizophrenic, likes not taking her medicine because she thinks her voices are divine.
Tantalum, couldn't think of the name. Thks, tho't is was only found/mined in the Congo. Maybe we can find a 'only mined in Canada' line of phones?
After he died, I read Science and Health with key to the Scriptures. I have never read a more incoherent work of fiction.
It oculd have been written by Swift's room full of monkeys. How anyone can believe that tripe is beyond imagination.
Mark Twain was a contemporary of Mary Baker Eddy. You ought to go look up some of what Twain wrote about her - MAGNIFICENT snark!
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Religion does more harm than good - poll
82% say faith causes tension in country where two thirds are not religious
More people in Britain think religion causes harm than believe it does good, according to a Guardian/ICM poll published today. It shows that an overwhelming majority see religion as a cause of division and tension - greatly outnumbering the smaller majority who also believe that it can be a force for good.
The poll also reveals that non-believers outnumber believers in Britain by almost two to one. It paints a picture of a sceptical nation with massive doubts about the effect religion has on society: 82% of those questioned say they see religion as a cause of division and tension between people. Only 16% disagree. The findings are at odds with attempts by some religious leaders to define the country as one made up of many faith communities.
Tantalum, couldn't think of the name. Thks, tho't is was only found/mined in the Congo. Maybe we can find a 'only mined in Canada' line of phones?
Ruth
Unlike diamonds, no. Unfortunately.
Morning, bats. What's shaking?
Go over to "Fundies Say The Darndest Things", your imagination will be weeping in the corner in no time.
Truer words, my flat-earthed friend.
My family members were less insightful and sedate. On the Christmas morning I was 12, I received a topograpically made globe, which came with a couple 45's that told about it. I was elated,
it was exactly what I most wanted. My father did not perceive that, he thought I was ungrateful, and
kicked me in the face with a wingtip. My nose bled all over the globe -- but I still loved it.
Plantsman, I don't know if the there is a "chirakowa" range near here.
Though when I sound on the name you gave me, I think I've heard of them. I'll ask the wife when she gets up. She knows the lay of the land around here more than I do. I can read maps and navigate the roads in AZ, and thats about the total of my geographical knowledge of this state.
D'oh! I always do that.
Morning, bats. What's shaking?
DOOOOOOOD!!!!!
They are in the SE quadrant of AZ, are spectacularly georgeous, and are home to the greatest # of species of Hummingbirds in North America.
plantsman, at Versailles in the Dauphin's apts, there is a traditional globe with a topographical globe inside it. You would adore it.
Oh, it's just me, billy b, but I'm quite cheerful.
Go over to "Fundies Say The Darndest Things", your imagination will be weeping in the corner in no time.
JR, kerosene and a match | 12.23.06 - 9:22 am | #
JR, thanks for the suggestion. I'll leave taht one for some time outside the holidays when I need a good shot of outrage.
Speaking of living wages. The company that I work for is really pretty good.
They have a call center in Austin and start their people at $9.00 per hour.
They found that in Brownsville CSR's only make $6/hr. What they are going to do is put in a center in Brownsville, pay Austin wages, have onsite daycare AND GED/ESL training.
If I can figure out a Master's program that would help my work they will assist me with funding that too.
Molly, how did the interview go.
D'oh! I always do that.
Molly Ivors
Oh, look!
It's our new Assistant Professor!
Congrats again Molly. I feel so much better now that I don't have to think of you driving through the snow and mountains every morning.
I would adore it - globes, even copper-mining burg Globe, AZ, have always delighted me.
Go over to "Fundies Say The Darndest Things", your imagination will be weeping in the corner in no time.
Is that an actual site?
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Mark Twain was a contemporary of Mary Baker Eddy. You ought to go look up some of what Twain wrote about her - MAGNIFICENT snark!
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Cynicus | 12.23.06 - 9:24 am | #
Oh! thanke, I love Twain. will do.
I had a most pleasant morning, hair appointment so feeling very relaxed.
my hairdresser has his own myspace site -
">acu, I have been to his salon since I was a little girl, great atmosphere too.
I have difficulty replacing stuff that still works. I'm a very bad consumer.
JR, kerosene and a match
The people from Homeland Security will be around to talk to you.
Oh, it's just me, billy b, but I'm quite cheerful.
Oh, forgive me, MI. Congrats on the new job. You have my condolences for having to work with the old man, tho.
Ruth,
I wasn't home half an hour when I got the call with an offer. I need to negotiate, but as of last night, I;m an assistant professor.
Good job juu-juu around here lately!
Uncle Smokes, it's clinical. She's a diagnosed schizophrenic, likes not taking her medicine because she thinks her voices are divine.
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Ruth, revolted
Ah. Hugs for you, Ruth.
As for my mother, she thought at times she was with the FBI, and everybody but her and me were involved in the Big Drug Conspiracy.
Fortunately, Dad made sure the meds were regular, and she was able to function okay--even taking a job doing secretary work for several years.
However, you had to take whatever she said with a grain of salt (or a deer-sized salt lick). Patience came at a high price.
Much of my hermit-like behavior stems from the defense mechanisms developed to survive that storm--not to mention empathy for those for whom nature and circumstance have torn apart, learned from the example of my fine Father.
i'll do that link again -
">acu
Doug: Though when I sound on the name you gave me, I think I've heard of them.
iirc, it's Chiricaua
Hey, congrats, Molly! Does this mean you're tenured?
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Machines just ramped it up beyond the reach/control of the guilds, and it became inevitable that the worker had to be as fungible as the machinery, to make the system reap the profits owners could learn to desire. So it isn't just snobbery and social jealousy. It's the system. It can't be fixed, only rejected wholesale.
Damn it, Robert, that is just IT, isn't it?
I have been searching for those words for a long time. Thanks.
As far as where we go: couldn't we, you know, like, make a plan? Why do we always have to base our schemes on fucking someone else?
Thanks, ql. Rosie and I are cuddled on the couch with Sean's quilt.
Any Twain-lover who has not read Letters From the Earth should check it out. Awesomeness, defined.
Is that an actual site?
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Cynicus
Yes.
They collect stupidities from all over the 'net for the amusement of infidels.
Plantsman, I just found the name of those mountains.
They are the Chiricahua Mountains in Cochise county which is very close to me. I'll have to check them out.
an interesting factoid:
There are 193 mountain ranges in Arizona.
Moonbootica, Ubuntu User
That was a strange article.
However, as an observation.
Wow they have a McDonald's there now. Cool, they didn't have stuff like that when I was going through there.
Molly,
Congratulations: tremendous news.
This Atriot Mojo is something, eh?
(That and your own skills and abilities. )
Umm..who is head of Congress now?...ist it the bug-eyed idiot? (999,980)...or Ayman al-Zawahiri?:
"The first is that you aren't the ones who won the midterm elections, nor are the Republicans the ones who lost. Rather, the Mujahideen -- the Muslim Ummah's vanguard in Afghanistan and Iraq -- are the ones who won, and the American forces and their Crusader allies are the ones who lost," Zawahri said, according to a full transcript obtained by ABC News
Oops, must be SW quadrant of AZ.
Cynicus,
Tenure-track.
Molly, wnnrful, so glad for you.
Uncle S, fortunately, mom's breakdown came about at the age of 65, and she at the same time embraced the GOP, makes a good story and I don't have to be on site. But no one can handle her meds, she thinks she has us all fooled.
"I am snugly ensconced, 3000 miles from living members of my family -- and that is the way it will remain."
you lucky bastard.
"I am snugly ensconced, 3000 miles from living members of my family -- and that is the way it will remain."
you lucky bastard.
As far as where we go: couldn't we, you know, like, make a plan? Why do we always have to base our schemes on fucking someone else?
DWD -Dirty Fucking Hippy
The current interpretation of the "Kingdom of God" among some NT scholars: the place where the first are last, and the last first, where the ruler is the servant of all, where the race is to the bottom, to serve, not to the top, to be served.
But what would that look like? Complete equality, all sharing and giving what they have to others who don't have? Which is really all John the Baptist was on about.
That's the question. As you say, how do we do it without screwing each other over?
The Place also has several stunning native varieties of flowering sage (Salvia), some of which have electric-lime-green calyces and shocking-blue tubular flowers.
Tenure-track.
Makes my heart smile.
Cynicus,
Tenure-track.
Molly Ivors
Congratulations. Joy to the world, indeed.
Oh, there goes DWD with his damned books again! From CAPITAL
"Have you thought about the reason we do things the way we do? The entire system came about because of a need to impose limits. These limits were necessary when there was not enough of anything. To a certain extent we still do this, but the fact remains those limits are artificially imposed. It is my supposition that scarcity, one of the main reasons for capitalism, is no longer an applicable standard. Certainly there are other factors that must be considered. Capitalism has ways of dealing with excess supplies as well, but these are mere trifles compared to what we are considering. Besides, in a computer controlled manufacturing environment, we should never encounter this problem for the machines will correct themselves before this happens. The reality is that we can manufacture as much of anything as we could possibly need."
"I'm sorry, I don't agree. For example, we can't make as many cars as people would like. What are you going to do, create a massive production line to make a Cadillac for everyone who wants one?"
"No, but we could make some sort of a generic car, something which most everyone can agree on. Make the parts interchangeable. Even though, this -- at least on the surface -- would limit freedom, it is probably necessary. The freedom we seek so passionately is an illusion anyhow.
Tenure track. Ok, molly, condolences for having to play politics of academia for some years more. But good joss anyhoo.
Off topic (if that's possible) - wasn't Cochise Chiricaua?
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Congratu-maji-lations, Molly!
They collect stupidities from all over the 'net for the amusement of infidels.
JR, kerosene and a match
And right on cue, stemcell jethrene makes its appearance with another in a long line of asinine assertions.
Doug, now that you and Mrs. Doug have that neat l'il high-mileage auto, I think you should check them out, particulary in the wildflower season!
Thanks guys!
I'm actually quite rooted to my family, which is mostly okay.
Good morning.
Great news Molly.
Molly, what a wonderful event just in time for the holidays!
Congratulations
Off topic (if that's possible) - wasn't Cochise Chiricaua?
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Cynicus - 9:39 am
yup, and so were Geronimo and Mangas Colorado
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Geronimo too? Some reason, i thought he was Mescalero.
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I'm having an extra mug of Hazelnut-creamed coffee. I feel so wicked you wouldn't believe it!
RMJ,
I spend a year thinking about this very thing in a book called CAPITAL. The ideal is probably impossible to achieve. But this system where we exploit first and foremost is destined for some sort of dramatic failure.
The truth is that scarcity is really not a problem anymore. We can pretty much make as much of whatever it is that we need. We do this with less and less human intervention. What are people supposed to do?
In my mind it would free people up to do what they would LIKE to do. But our system just punishes those displaced. It is a stupid system
Now we have to work to get TJ's job sewn up.
Islamist terrorists pose the greatest threat to Britain's security since the Second World War, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner has warned.
With police and security services on heightened alert for a possible attack over Christmas and the New Year, Sir Ian Blair echoed fears in the intelligence community that the risk of an atrocity has increased substantially in recent months.
He said he had no specific intelligence about a plot to target Britain over the holiday period, but added: "The threat of another terrorist attempt is ever present. Christmas is a period when that might happen. We have no specific intelligence to do [with] that."
He added: "There was a terrorist plot in Germany against one of their Christmas markets in 2002, so it's a possibility."
Sir Ian also said the danger to the public was of an "unparalleled nature and growing".
http://news.independent.co.uk/
uk...icle2097766.ece
speaking of the newly employed how is Curly's dad doing with his?
Now we have to work to get TJ's job sewn up.
Where do i go to get on the list? i'm "fully employed", yet dead-ended and debt-broken.
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The highest point in the Virgin mountains in AZ is Mt. Bangs.
There is a higher peak in those mountains Where they extend into Nevada, but that's another story.
a list of the mountain ranges in AZ
http://tinyurl.com/y2p2jj
I just cruised over to the Fundies Say the Darnedest Things site and the first handle I came across was:
CHRISTIAN MAN, RAPTURE READY
Good grief.
I sure hope little Larry-Elvis is on the mend, he's such a cutie!
I'm having an extra mug of Hazelnut-creamed coffee. I feel so wicked you wouldn't believe it!
Naughty boy.
The only good Indians I hever saw were dead.
In the spirit of the season...
It was Christmas Eve, babe, in the drunk tank....
JP has been waxing quite rhapsodic over the Vanderbilt job.
Geronimo too? Some reason, i thought he was Mescalero.
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Cynicus - 9:42 am
it's tough to figger the geneology...
The truth is that scarcity is really not a problem anymore. We can pretty much make as much of whatever it is that we need. We do this with less and less human intervention. What are people supposed to do?
The truth is only that for a tiny percentage of the human pouplation, and not even that for long. And the destruction of the existing system will do nothing to mitigate against human nature. That change must come from elsewhere.
okay, I'll be glad to burn a candle for everybody, but why did my gel candle burst in the middle of the night?
CHRISTIAN MAN, RAPTURE READY
Aren't most men usually rapture-ready?
CHRISTIAN MAN, RAPTURE READY
The book of Revelations subverts Christ.
JP has been waxing quite rhapsodic over the Vanderbilt job.
plantsman, lowercase | 12.23.06 - 9:46 am | #
Oh good! I'm so glad to hear it. Plantsman, you have such extensive knowledge of flora, are you a botanist or just a really enthusiastic gardener as I am?
Congrats Molly!
You must be ecstatic.
Fortunately, Dad made sure the meds were regular, and she was able to function okay--even taking a job doing secretary work for several years.
However, you had to take whatever she said with a grain of salt (or a deer-sized salt lick). Patience came at a high price.
Much of my hermit-like behavior stems from the defense mechanisms developed to survive that storm--not to mention empathy for those for whom nature and circumstance have torn apart, learned from the example of my fine Father.
Uncle Smokes | Homepage | 12.23.06 - 9:33 am | #
My paternal uncle was a functioning schizophrenic, and as Dad said 'engaging in combat in France and Germany during WWII probably didn't make it any better. My sister also has 'issues' but I can't make her take her meds.
Just returned from a bike ride with S. Jr.
Hadn't heard the news, so congratulations, Molly!!!!
(I see our friend is posting sporadically through her hiatus ... it's hard to go cold turkey! )
Just returned from a bike ride with S. Jr.
Hadn't heard the news, so congratulations, Molly!!!!
(I see our friend is posting sporadically through her hiatus ... it's hard to go cold turkey! )
Damn it, Robert, that is just IT, isn't it?
I have been searching for those words for a long time. Thanks.
Well, then you can write this report for me listing the 1300+ specific ways I am fit and ready to be an Episcopal priest so I can get the Diocese's attention and get on with this priesthood application.
I could use some of that Eschaton mojo about now. 3 part-time jobs is killing me.
As for limits, don't get me started on limits and boundaries. I could write a PhD. Theol. dissertation on that. And would. If I only had a job.
And a brain. Maybe Molly would lend me hers, now that she's tenure-tracked. I promise to return it pressed and cleaned.
Molly,
I got the e-mail! Congratulations! I knew you would! I knew you would!
Morning, Mr. Scrutinizer. I respect you too much to call you Central these days.
Moonbase Alpha? Space and Survival.
The truth is only that for a tiny percentage of the human pouplation, and not even that for long. And the destruction of the existing system will do nothing to mitigate against human nature. That change must come from elsewhere.
blerb
True, about all you said; but be careful not to equate European culture with "human nature."
The only good Indians I hever saw were dead.
i saw a bumpersticker at the Trail of Tears pow-wow in Hopkinsville, KY 2 years ago - pictures of Geronimo, Cochise, Crazy Horse, couple of others. Underneath, it said " My Heroes Have Always Killed Cowboys".
There you go.
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Aren't most men usually rapture-ready
Quick Draw McGraws, the lot of them.
[runs away]
Good grief.
billy b
If the regular Christians paid attention to what was being said by their whacko fellow travellers they would be scared shitless.
That's why they don't look.
Entirely OT - the wee Scotty has, in addition to her formidable stable of whines and whimpers to beg with, a particularly irritating near hyper-sonic yelp she employs when she feels especially entitled to consume my food in addition to her own, which I NEVER beg for. She cannot know how much I love her, because that is all that keeps me from roundly
disciplining her for the damned yip!
Quick Draw McGraws, the lot of them.
[runs away]
So naughty, it's delicious!
Vicki,
I hae been offline this week. How did he become Mr. Scrutinizer?
Aren't most men usually rapture-ready?
Molly Ivors
That would be rupture-ready.
Remember guys: Lift from the knees, and no one will question your superhero aspirations if you get a little help.
plantsman,
I wish I loved Puck like that.
He's so damned dumb, and we never bonded the way that I bonded with the kitty.
Still, he's my dumb dog, and as such, he's still loved.
Time for me to break long enough to put some food on me and the cats.
Before I go, please check out my maunderings on the latest Lead Balloon launched by the White House.
How did he become Mr. Scrutinizer?
Uhhh, he'll have to explain that.
i saw a bumpersticker at the Trail of Tears pow-wow in Hopkinsville, KY 2 years ago - pictures of Geronimo, Cochise, Crazy Horse, couple of others. Underneath, it said " My Heroes Have Always Killed Cowboys".
There you go.-
Cynicus - 9:51 am
plantsman, lowercase | 12.23.06 - 9:51 am | #
a spray bottle of water usually does the trick. Its harmless and discouraging to offensive behaviors.
i saw a bumpersticker at the Trail of Tears pow-wow in Hopkinsville, KY 2 years ago - pictures of Geronimo, Cochise, Crazy Horse, couple of others. Underneath, it said " My Heroes Have Always Killed Cowboys".
There you go.-
Cynicus - 9:51 am
another one has the same array of grim-faced countenances over the legend:
"Doing Homeland Security Since 1492"
Lift from the knees; shoot from the HICA!
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Quick Draw McGraws, the lot of them.
[runs away]
watertiger
One ought not generalize without first-hand knowledge.
That's all I'm sayin'.
Archbishop attacks Iraq strategy
The Archbishop of Canterbury has accused the UK government of placing Christians in the Middle East at risk through its actions in Iraq.
Dr Rowan Williams, head of the Anglican church, said there had been a growing number of attacks on Christians.
He is on a pilgrimage to the region with the leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor.
Sinfonian, in America's glans™ | Homepage | 12.23.06 - 9:55 am | #
you like at the tip of Florida?
I'm pleased to report that I seem to have fixed the problem with the air conditioning in Chez Sinfonian. So we are comfortable again despite the warm, humid conditions.
Thank the FSM!
Vicki, Sophie is more lucky than she knows, and only having one animal companion neatly focuses the love ray. I have been attempting to engrain the "Shh" gesture, with raised index finger to lips, and the palm-out "Stop" gesture, so far to little effect.
Did you hear the story on CNN about the single dad of 11, an Iraq vet, who was surprised by tons of gifts? Apparently, his wife let him with 11 kids.
What a load.
Oh, but I must gt on the scoot this morning. I'm out of saccharine! How can anyone comtemplate coffee without Pank Sugar?
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Diane,
Noting "What prompted all this was a Hearst wire service article noting that the Selective Service was making plans for a “mock” draft exercise that would use computerized models to determine how, if necessary, the government would get some 100,000 young adults to report to their local draft boards. "
It isn't like there isn't a history of the government running drills and something very similar happens shortly after.
like=live (damned dyslexia)
you like at the tip of Florida?
Hellkitty
Well, not exactly the tip, but still in the glans vicinity.
Moved down from mid-shaft in June.
Still, he's my dumb dog, and as such, he's still loved.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
You know how in the past I've bragged about how smart my Trout is?
He's got nothing on this fellow
Warning: This video may induce profuse leakage from the eyes.
I see that the US claims that another top bin Laden operative was killed. How many "top" leaders does that make, now?
I maintain bin Laden's been dead for years. We just haven't been able to find his remains.
Yella-Shuger ain't bad neither!
( but Splenda IS rather expensive)
Christians elated over cash award
A Christian couple awarded £10,000 after being questioned by police about their views on homosexuality have spoken of their victory.
Helen and Joe Roberts, of Fleetwood, Lancashire, were questioned after they tried to display Christian literature next to gay rights' leaflets.
Retired carpenter Mr Roberts, 74, said he and his wife were absolutely elated about the out-of-court settlement.
The pair had been quizzed for more than an hour by police.
RMJ,
In all honesty, if all practitioners of Christianity were like you and Prior A, the world would be a much better place.
If words can be of service, I have a couple million saved somewhere. There must be something you can use.
As far as your qualifications: isn't that where we turn, inevitably, to the called by God schtick? I am saying that lightly, but I do not mean it that way.
If you believe in God and his hand controlling our lives then the fact that the avenues you have pursued that have not worked out in the way that you would like can be seen as the hand of God directing you toward service.
It is not so much a Saul-like conversion. Sometimes it is a lack of options that determines our direction. This is not said lightly, either.
I feel that when I was younger - and more of a believer - that I was called. Mrs DWD wanted nothing to do with it, so. Still, my "call" was more of a limiting one than a miraculous thing.
Now I preach daily - and even intersperse wisdom from the Bible when appropriate. (I still think the Bible should be taught as so much of what we are and do is based on it. But that makes me a minority around here. )
but be careful not to equate European culture with "human nature."
Rmj, Street Credentialed
I happen to think that the desire to have more than one's neighbor is rooted in paleolithic intertribal rivalries that have been documented from the Amazon to New Guinea. And so is the desire to be the to occupy the top spot in one's own clan hierarchy. But I am open to a good argument that these things are somehow intinsic to European culture if there is one.
analannie claims to have left me a voicemail...
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Fresh Linens, batties!
My bookmark for (hours of) armchair exploring.
Best wishes (and congratulations) to all!
"Stop" gesture, so far to little effect.
plantsman, lowercase-- 9:56 am
one word (or is it two?):
Dog-Whisperer
Very, very bad.
Because the only way restarting the draft wouldn't be political suicide would be if the US had just been dramatically attacked (again).
not a cheerful thought.
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Back from my breakfast break.
Congratulations, Molly!
Back from my breakfast break.
Congratulations, Molly!
double down box turtles.
I have been attempting to engrain the "Shh" gesture
It's my observation that it's only easy to train a dog to do something they are already inclined to do anyway.
My dog Speeder already was kind of a strutter, and so the command dance! only gets him to do what he wants to anyway.
(I still think the Bible should be taught as so much of what we are and do is based on it. But that makes me a minority around here. )
DWD -Dirty Fucking Hippy
Would it suprise you to find that I agree.
One does not have to be a believer to acknowledge the historical and cultural influence of Christianity on the West.
In my mind it would free people up to do what they would LIKE to do. But our system just punishes those displaced. It is a stupid system
DWD
I am having so many people tell me they wouldn't know what to do with themselves if they retired, so they plan on working till they drop. Of course, these are mainly people in their forties so they don't feel the bone weariness my 56 y.o. body feels at the end of the work week. Leaving at 7:20 a.m. and not getting home till 6:15 p.m. is just too long a day, five days a week.
RMJ,
Sending you all my good vibes.....
Manifest destiny and hordes of immigrants.
I happen to think that the desire to have more than one's neighbor is rooted in paleolithic intertribal rivalries that have been documented from the Amazon to New Guinea.
Oh, hell, it goes waaaaay further back. Look at non-human primate research.
Aren't most men usually rapture-ready?
Molly Ivors
from what I have observed, starting at about 12-?
Aren't most men usually rapture-ready?
Molly Ivors
from what I have observed, starting at about 12-?
from what I have observed, starting at about 12-?
ql in ny
Hell, back then I could rapture in my sleep.
Warning: This video may induce profuse leakage from the eyes.
Central Scrutinizer
Will you please post a kleenex? I'm leaking.
My dog Speeder already was kind of a strutter, and so the command dance! only gets him to do what he wants to anyway.
Doug | 12.23.06 - 10:01 am
your speeder both looks and sounds a lot like my dancing dog, Hanna-Stella
RMJ,
Sending you all my good vibes.....
Molly Ivors
Oh, thank you. I dashed off to put scones in the oven.
Let me also report that Kahlua is better than Starbucks Coffee Liquer.
Hey, it's the festive season! I can spike my morning coffee if'n I wanta!
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