I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
première
deuxième
troisième
third to soil the sheets
ok 4th
non, renato!
Looks like I don't even get to bust up a home run.
hey what was the score of that World Cup game last summer?
Oh, yeah... Italy 6, France 4!
WORD!
"if you want a safe job, go sell shoes."
hahaha
wonder if hagel meant someone in particular.
What would the crime rate in America be if there were no blacks?
Makes Gerth pretty fucking important.
I don't think I like that idea.
Paved the way for the abysmal Gore coverage, and before that insane anti-Clinton media, and before that... well, you may be right.
I like it when French is spoken in here.
Did anyone notice that it is now 5 minutes until midnight?
Oh, yeah... Italy 6, France 4!
r€nato
GRRRR!
First there was the WORD.
This is true of the Bush presidency specifically, but I think when we look back at the modern political-media era, the original sin really is Jeff Gerth's first bit of journalistic fraud which was his first Whitewater piece for the Times.
a-fucking-men.
n+i th!
I will pimp my cat no more, forever!
(well, tonight, anyway)
.
NTodd--and then there was Lola in the catbox...
Hold me!
No, because Democrats participated both actively (Lieberman) and passively (Gore) in the stolen election, and you can't really hang that on them during the penis measuring era.
NTodd--and then there was Lola in the catbox...
And that crap made a whole new world, in which Lola was GOD.
Did anyone notice that it is now 5 minutes until midnight?
James Hogan | 01.25.07 - 12:19 am | #
He says on holoscan time
I hear ya but, but, but whaddyah, whaddyah, no Iran-Contra?
from below
"feels as if we all discovered we are mortal or something. - EkCenTriK
Welcome to Portland.
bo"
Hah! (Insert your own smiley here)
Doug, Memphremagog Wannabe
are yu rich Doug, because if you can afford a house around that lake, you're one of...them. A spy! a spy!
I recall the bullshit with Bush fundraisers laughing that no one could pronounce Dukakis' crazy name, and Bush saying his supporters wanted to "bring down America", so that kind of crap has been around a while. But I was living in D.C. at the time, and recall being blow away by the bizarreness of the Clinton coverage.
...to add on to A-man's point... I used to be a fairly middle-of-the-road, vote-for-the-candidate-not-the-party kind of guy. Yeah I mostly voted for Dems, but I also voted for Goldwater and the occasional Republican if he/she was a reasonable sort.
All that came to an end when the Clinton witchhunt started up. The Bush election fraud of 2000 was just the natural extension of the win-at-any-cost mentality of the GOP.
I will never again vote for a Gooper. The worst Democrat is better than the best Republican in my book.
And that crap made a whole new world, in which Lola was GOD.
NTodd
isn't that Tom Cruise's job now?
Hold me!
steve simels
Come sit over here.
I hear ya but, but, but whaddyah, whaddyah, no Iran-Contra?
Well, shit, we could go back to Ford pardoning Nixon. More immediate history is I think more instructive.
Rosanne Cash on Letterman
Did anyone notice that it is now 5 minutes until midnight?
Funny, my clock says 11:17
the original sin really is Jeff Gerth's first bit of journalistic fraud which was his first Whitewater piece for the Times.
But what let him get away with that. how did we go form Woodward and Bernstein to the Whitewater garbage?
Did anyone notice that it is now 5 minutes until midnight?
Yeah, but that's still safer than during Reagan...
a blogger (name escapes me) revisited the nightline treatment of the clintons. the show edited videotape testimony and inferred hillary was hiding something. but when you reviewed the whole tape uncut, you could see she wasn't. nightline created a faux scandal out whole cloth.
Not Whitewater.
Gary Hart. They took him apart first, because he was "weird", according to the Broders, et al.
"What It Takes", Richard Ben Cramer.
Mattamiscontis is Penobscot for stream with lots of alewives. Cobbosseecontee is place of sturgeon. So is Passagassawaukeag, but in Passamaquoddy.
WASHINGTON (AP) - The United States launched an airstrike in Somalia against suspected terrorist targets - the second such attack this month, defense officials said Wednesday.
When Blackwater is 1) assigned, and 2) fails to protect our embassy personnel in central Baghdad, we are witnessing le fin de guerre.
I will never again vote for a Gooper. The worst Democrat is better than the best Republican in my book.
r€nato
The problem is that even the best Repukes empower the Repulican Party. And the Republican Party represents the worst of the breed, not the best.
I will never again vote for a Gooper. The worst Democrat is better than the best Republican in my book.
r€nato
The problem is that even the best Repukes empower the Repulican Party. And the Republican Party represents the worst of the breed, not the best.
"The United States launched an airstrike in Somalia against suspected terrorist targets - the second such attack this month, defense officials said Wednesday."
I presume they denied any camels were injured in the backside.
when we look back at the modern political-media era, the original sin really is Jeff Gerth's first bit of journalistic fraud which was his first Whitewater piece for the Times.
You betcha. And a fraud which neither the NYTimes or anybody associated with it has ever apologized for.
When they do, then the Little Sociopath(TM) and the rest of the wingnts can talk to me about the so-called Liberal Media.
Gary Hart. They took him apart first
they took him apart because he dared reporters to follow him... so they did... and they found him cavorting with, uh, some blonde bimbo whose name escapes me and who later converted to fundie christianity.
This is true of the Bush presidency specifically, but I think when we look back at the modern political-media era, the original sin really is Jeff Gerth's first bit of journalistic fraud which was his first Whitewater piece for the Times.
I could not possibly agree more.
Gerth set the pattern that the media, in its bizarre anti-Horatio Alger frenzy, embraced, where actual facts and investigation are replaced by the "story", which is that Clinton must be destroyed.
They HAD to get Clinton, this terrible man who somehow managed to get into THEIR "right" schools and be an authentic self made American success story, unlike scion shitbird George W. Bush who does not have one single successful enterprise to his fucking name, and is a perfect example of why hereditary aristocracy does not work.
Bill Clinton is a validation of the American mythos. One that needed to be destroyed by the Inner Party by any means necessary.
the original sin really is Jeff Gerth's first bit of journalistic fraud which was his first Whitewater piece for the Times.
An astute observation. Sadly, no wiki page on Jeff Gerth to immortalize this incompetent sack of dishonest shit and his rank deeds.
I will never again vote for a Gooper. The worst Democrat is better than the best Republican in my book.
r€nato
well...Hagel has to be better than Lieberman, no?
All that came to an end when the Clinton witchhunt started up.
One guy I used to work with liked to listen to lush in the early ninties, when I had no idea who he was, so I obliged. It was then that he started ranting about how awful it was that clinton had just been elected. And that it was only so many years untill the election.
If I knew then what I know now...
I will never again vote for a Gooper. The worst Democrat is better than the best Republican in my book.
A-fucking-men.
The wingnut attack on Clinton and by extension the American system of government radicalized me to some extent, and the Bush 2000 election theft sent me over the edge. FUCK THE GOP.
I'm proud to say that I've never voted for a Republican. And these past half dozen years have made me resolve to continue in that vein.
is this the "liberal canon" post? will there be a test?
a blogger (name escapes me) revisited the nightline treatment of the clintons. the show edited videotape testimony and inferred hillary was hiding something.
That was Jeff Greenfield.
Yeah well they took Gary Hart apart but come on, "Monkey Business"? And he wants to be President?
"He came in here and trashed the town, and it's not his town."
-David Broder to Sally Quinn, talking about Bill Clinton.
Renato--Donna Rice.
Gary Hart. They took him apart first
carter.
some argue kennedy was a political hit.
Sadly, no wiki page on Jeff Gerth to immortalize this incompetent sack of dishonest shit and his rank deeds.
Don't let me stop you.
Roseanne Cash will always have this vague, momentary feeling of incompleteness because she hasn't met me.
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iranian officials said Wednesday that they have taken delivery of advanced Russian air defense missile systems - weapons intended, according to one Russian news agency, to defend Tehran's major nuclear facilities.
nightline created a faux scandal out whole cloth.
jello | 01.25.07 - 12:23 am | #
Nightline elected Reagan with that whole "America Held Hostage" crap.
Fuck Ted Koppel.....
Amazing, Showtime is playing "Popi". I don't think I have seen that film since the 70s.
The worst Democrat is better than the best Republican in my book.
Hillery = st mcstain.
well...Hagel has to be better than Lieberman, no?
got me there.
the exception that proves the rule 
Gary Hart. They took him apart first, because he was "weird", according to the Broders, et al.
McGovern tapped at a peacenik. Mcgovern was a WWII war hero. Flew bombing raids over Germany during the daytime. Wanted to end the Vietnam war and the press fucking crucified the guy.
fucking Nixon.
Now, I really go to bed.
But LarryElvis opened his eyes.
♥
well...Hagel has to be better than Lieberman, no?
No. So long as Lieberman caucuses with the Dems and Hagel with the GOP, I'd pick even a shitheel like Joe over Hagel every time. Fuck the GOP.
thank you sally. I should have known that...
Time warp time.
Phyllis Diller on Leno.
????????????????
Sadly, no wiki page on Jeff Gerth to immortalize this incompetent sack of dishonest shit and his rank deeds.
You know, uh...anybody can create a page on Wikipedia...
Roseanne Cash will always have this vague, momentary feeling of incompleteness because she hasn't met me.
Doug
i think that you will have to fight for her with Simels, who thinks the same as you do!
Fuck Ted Koppel.....
steve simels
And his little/big hair too!
the original sin really is Jeff Gerth's first bit of journalistic fraud which was his first Whitewater piece for the Times
The rot goes back farther than that. The original sin was the Iran-Contra Scandal, which had its roots in Reagan and Poppy Bush bribing the Iranians to hold onto the hostages until after the 1980 election...
godard
Central--how the hell are you and Trout and the cats?
I wouldn't be too hasty to fall in love with Hagel. he's right on one issue, but he's a repig, and owns voting machines. Lieberman is not a Democrat, so that is a foul, and a penalty bong. I'll be back if i can find the desk.
Iranian officials said Wednesday that they have taken delivery of advanced Russian air defense missile systems
And the problem is?
If I was the Iranina leader, I would set up air defenses as well. Isreal and the US are just fucking itching to bomb, why would'nt they defend themselves?
Fuck Steve Simels
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karen marie--NTodd has two Dogz. Which you could look at, if only he had a blog.
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dog poop eaters are called Coprophagia
sittenpretty ,MCI SUCKS | 01.25.07 - 12:23 am | #
well i thought yall needed some really important facts
Ridnik--I'd argue that it began with Nixon.
But I'm old.
Koppel is buddy buddy with war criminal Henry Kissinger.
All you need to know, really, about Koppel.
May his death be painful and prolonged.
The origins of sin 1930's:
http://www.eurolegal.org/
neocons...ervatives.shtml
Hillery = st mcstain.
smalfish
I'm not a huge Hillary fan, but that's just stupid.
Ronjazz--a fine caveat emptor.
The other night, you mentioned that playing out was the most fun you could have standing up and legal. Is this part of your Lifetime Work Avoidance Program? Enquiring minds want to know.
No. So long as Lieberman caucuses with the Dems and Hagel with the GOP, I'd pick even a shitheel like Joe over Hagel every time. Fuck the GOP.
The Old Man From Scene 24
and you actually think he will vote with the dems this week on the surge? Nah, he's going to be on Bush's side. We got today that Hagel wont (he's going to be a strong candidate in 08, innit)
Gary Hart. They took him apart first, because he was "weird", according to the Broders, et al.
McGovern tapped at a peacenik. Mcgovern was a WWII war hero. Flew bombing raids over Germany during the daytime. Wanted to end the Vietnam war and the press fucking crucified the guy.
fucking Nixon.
Unrepentant Fenian
"At long last Senator, have you no sense of decency?"
I go back to Joe the First
Yeah, Hart fucked up-- but it was the kind of thing they never seriously bothered to go after Bush I or II on, & that is the point... who's to say, if they had hacked away at George I about anything-- his "mistress", or Iran Contra, whether he would have fucked up his own act like Hart did?
well...Hagel has to be better than Lieberman, no?
got me there.
the exception that proves the rule
r€nato
Lieberman isn't a Democrat.
scion shitbird
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oh that sez it!!!
Sallyh,
We's alright.
I hope you and your's are as good.
A history prof who is an acquaintance of mine used to tell me that fascism in the US should not come as a surprise. He argued that there's always been an undercurrent of it.
He was so right.
Bushes and Walkers go way back to the forties, maybe earlier. Gerth's piece showed that the media had fallen to them completely, even though it was no longer liberal after 1975. It's why I can't believe anything on TV, even the Discovery Channel. Only SciFi and Spike are honest.
Iranian officials said Wednesday that they have taken delivery of advanced Russian air defense missile systems
Was Col. North in on the deal?
I'm not a huge Hillary fan, but that's just stupid.
Irrational maybe, but not stupid.
Central--Chez H and its denizens are all well.
How's the Bestest Dog Ever(TM)? The cold making him crazy?
Did anyone notice that it is now 5 minutes until midnight?
Yeah, but that's still safer than during Reagan...
NTodd, The 12th Phoebe Cates | Homepage | 01.25.07 - 12
When the attack on Iran happens, which seems to be supported by some of the Democrats, there will be a reaction that will be horrific. We cannot let this attack happen, or else there will be no United States left.
I really would like to love HILL,but why that shitbag McCaulif...same old same old...maybe he sabotaged Kerry
and you actually think he will vote with the dems this week on the surge? Nah, he's going to be on Bush's side. We got today that Hagel wont (he's going to be a strong candidate in 08, innit)
Plum P
It's not individual votes that matter, its that, at least for now, he's caucusing with the Dems. Which gives them control and committee chairmanships and subpoena power. Voting for even the very best Repuke imaginable would take all that away.
"well...Hagel has to be better than Lieberman, no?
Plum P"
hagel might go independant or the thugs might just kick him out. He was scathing at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing today. Much more harsh than these TP quotes:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01...shoes%e2%80%99/
When Roseanne Cash recorded her seminal 1990 album "Interiors" it was all about her sense of betrayal and profound loss because her husband at the time, some guy named Steve Simels, cheated on her ...
The unrecalcitrant bastard.
Doug W--Steve Simels has too much love for just one woman.
No. So long as Lieberman caucuses with the Dems and Hagel with the GOP, I'd pick even a shitheel like Joe over Hagel every time. Fuck the GOP.
The Old Man From Scene 24
and you actually think he will vote with the dems this week on the surge? Nah, he's going to be on Bush's side. We got today that Hagel wont (he's going to be a strong candidate in 08, innit)
Plum P | Homepage | 01.25.07 - 12
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if this be the case...find me a house up there Plum
well Hagel is obviously presenting himself as the anti McCain. Which could be a problem for the dems
A history prof who is an acquaintance of mine used to tell me that fascism in the US should not come as a surprise. He argued that there's always been an undercurrent of it.
Goes back to the 30's, with the plot to overthrow FDR.
You had Bush and Walker types involved in that, too.
"The last thing he wants is for the barroom to speak": - As fine and true a phrase as Theristes or anyone else ever turned.
Just for the fucking record here: ALL through the 60's, 70's, 80', 90's and now the oo's, we DIRTY FUCKING HIPPIES ceaselessly, tirelessly, and endlessly advocated for the funding, development and widespread deployment of clean, safe, renewable and sustainable independent American energy.
In fact, it was actually the ONE THING ALL DIRTY FUCKING HIPPIES STOOD FOR ABOVE ALL ELSE. The PEACE sign was first and foremost the symbol of NUCLEAR NONPROLIFERATION AND DISARMAMENT, REMEMBER????????
This RADICAL COMMIE LIBERAL PINKO FAG concept of clean independent American energy was advocated by US DIRTY FUCKING HIPPIES, because we UNDERSTOOD AS PIMPLY FACED 12-year olds that it would INSURE OUR AMERICAN LIBERTY AND FREEDOM, which is the BEST way to PEACE, our ultimate value.
This far-out crazy meshuggenah fakoct numbskull idea of CLEAN AMERICAN ENERGY INDEPENDENCE is something which JUST NOW, after ALL OF THIS, is JUST STARTING to get a FEW mainstream heads scratching saying "duh, yeah, gee uh maybey that wouldn't be such a bad idear", and THAT'S because of the INSIDIOUS DEGREE to which OUR AMERICAN MEDIA was DELIBERATELY BOUGHT OFF by the vested PETROCHEMICAL AND NUCLEAR interests, who, let it never be forgotten, UNLIKE US DIRTY FUCKING HIPPIES, CONSISTENTLY PLACED THEIR IMMEDIATE "PROFIT" FAR ABOVE THEIR ACTUAL DUTY AND OBLIGATION TO THEIR COUNTRY.
So take your goddam LAPEL PINS and SIT ON THEM.
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The unrecalcitrant bastard.
Doug Watts | Homepage | 01.25.07 - 12:34 am | #
What could I do? Bitch stopped dyeing her hair Aubergine.....
Hi Sallyh, thanks and all. Lieberman is my nightmare; i feel responsible because Ned got fucked. I hold no brief for the Dems, as i am an Ind., but Joe isn't one, period.
Playing out, is, of course, playing. Out. And if one gains remuneration for said pursuit, one need not do much in the way of work. Some might call practicing work, but it's not much different from warmups before playing baseball, another Work Avoidance Program.
He argued that there's always been an undercurrent of it.
He was so right.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Slavery. Sedition Act. Joe McCarthy. All pretty fascist.
I'd argue that it began with Nixon
Funny how much bad shit can be traced back to that man. He was around even before Joe McCarthy. And wasn't he also the one who first appointed Poppy as head of the RNC?
Voting for even the very best Repuke imaginable would take all that away.
flory
so what are the dems going to deal with Liarman siding with the surge?
How's the Bestest Dog Ever(TM)? The cold making him crazy?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Au Contraire, he loves it!
It makes me insane, but how the hell is one supposed to fish when the lakes are frozen?
And don't be giving me any nonsense about ice fishing because I can't very well drink beer when my feet are colder than the beer.
and you actually think he will vote with the dems this week on the surge?
Don't know (or, frankly, care how anyone votes on a non-binding issue) the key is control over the Committees and the resulting oversight etc. The Dems have that power has already paid off with Bush backing off from the warrentless spying for instance.
In the US Senate a mere majority is not enough, all the Dems (inlcuding Joe) as well as 3 or 4 Pukes voted for cloture on the minimum wage bill but that was not enough to stop debate and have a final vote.
But having the majority in the Committees makes all the difference. Without that control the anti-surge motion would never have made it to the floor. Even if Joe votes against it, as many as 9 GOpers are expected to vote for it.
Doug W--Steve Simels has too much love for just one woman.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 01.25.07 - 12:35 am | #
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I heard Barry White had that problem too.
What's a narrative?
how come the Dem's stopped mentioning the neocons, they hit them a few times before the '06 elections, but now have gone silent.
so what are the dems going to deal with Liarman siding with the surge?
Plum P
He's not the only one. Even Webb voted down Dodd's bill today.
Keep trying I guess.
You people are all wrong: this goes back to when Simels and the other Jews killed Jesus.
The funny thing about Nixon is that he, too, was something of a Horatio Alger story come to life.
He was a "cloth coat" Republican. Not well thought of in the circles of power, until he turned out to be useful.
Bushes and Walkers go way back to the forties, maybe earlier.
their wealth dates back into the 19th century.
well time for bed
bonne nuit
Fuck Steve Simels
Ted Koppel | Homepage | 01.25.07 - 12:29 am | #
No, fuck YOUR Alfred E. Newman lookin self, Koppel!!!!!
You realize of course this means war!
"Bush backing off from the warrentless spying for instance." sorry, old man, you're hallucinating if you believe that's happening.
At this point in time, I think our best energy alternative is nuclear energy. I know most of you don't like it, but the sad fact is, every other current technology is just another avenue to dump carbon into the atmosphere.
Untill there is another alternative, nuke energy has to be the answer. I realise there are many problems with it, but for now, it is the "cleanest" source we have.
Bushes and Walkers go way back to the forties, maybe earlier.
their wealth dates back into the 19th century.
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Homepage | 01.25.07 - 12:40 am | #
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that inbred shitstain is the result of this
So you guys realize that a whole contingent of east coast Atriots/Atriettes are taking a bus to Saturday's big peace demo in washington. Total Ken Kesey trip.
They won't let me bring LSD, though.
Or you could just write about it once, and then never bring it up again.
'Lazy Atrios'
You people are all wrong: this goes back to when Simels and the other Jews killed Jesus.
NTodd, The 12th Phoebe Cates
Goes back to when the goddamn Celts invaded Britain and threw the Scotia out.
Steve Simels--I'm sorry about you and Roseanne.
Would you be willing to come sit by a shiksa goddess, who will ply you with elitist Chardonnay and order Kato to make us a deli run?
My skinny ass is hitting the sheets.
Be good moonbats.
ps i might add im only sorry chimpy did NOT get the hemophillia
has already paid off with Bush backing off from the warrentless spying for instance.
Your evidence for this is.....?
Steve--they didn't say anything about condoms, did they?
The funny thing about Nixon is that he, too, was something of a Horatio Alger story come to life.
He was a "cloth coat" Republican. Not well thought of in the circles of power, until he turned out to be useful.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
You mean the pedophile Horatio Alger that the NYC chapter of NAMBLA is named after?
Untill there is another alternative, nuke energy has to be the answer. I realise there are many problems with it, but for now, it is the "cleanest" source we have.
smalfish
hell we could bury Ks, Wy, Mt, under solar panels...
"Bush backing off from the warrentless spying for instance." sorry, old man, you're hallucinating if you believe that's happening.
they've backed off claiming to have the power to do it legally. I hope the relevant House and Senate Committees will provide sufficient oversight to ensure they are complying with the law.
The threat of such oversight was enough to make them do a rare public 180 on their position.
There were Bushes and Walkers war profiteering during WWI, for sure.
I'd wager that they really got their start during the Civil War, as John D Rockefeller did.
I personally think Bill Clinton would relish being First Lady. No, really 
eyes burning ...bed time ..nite,nite all
Untill there is another alternative, nuke energy has to be the answer. I realise there are many problems with it, but for now, it is the "cleanest" source we have.
smalfish
I don't trust our race enough for that. We will never spend the money to adequately secure the spent fuel.
So you guys realize that a whole contingent of east coast Atriots/Atriettes are taking a bus to Saturday's big peace demo in washington. Total Ken Kesey trip.
They won't let me bring LSD, though.
steve simels
How would they know?
"Bush backing off from the warrentless spying for instance."
I believe they're still engaged in it. Of course, this makes Bush all the more impeachable.
I personally think Bill Clinton would relish being First Lady. No, really
Imagine all the lovely parties he would throw.
hell we could bury Ks, Wy, Mt, under solar panels...
Why stop there? Let's bury Crawford with panels.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Gunmen on Tuesday shot to death a Shiite professor and economist well-known among Iraqis for helping poor people secure loans to start small businesses, police and his university dean said.
NO FLIRTING !!!
this goes back to when Simels and the other Jews killed Jesus...
Rumor has it Jesus owed Simels some loaves and fishes...
NTodd--he'd have a blast. And if he did throw parties, they'd be a hell of a lot more fun than anything LauraBot could come up with.
smallfish, my father was a punchlist guy on nukular power plants in the '80s (plants in washington state, illinois and connecticut) and the work ethic was frightening. a good number of the workers came to work drunk regularly, plus they were running them on 80-hour work weeks to the point of exhaustion. it's a miracle there's been nothing (here) since three-mile island.
Gore was too charismatic for the reps as well as kennedy was. with gore as with kennedy theyd have had another standard they couldnt meet. So we see loosing "frat boy" there. I dont say he doesnt meet populistic levels at all. At least we didnt hear about the small business monologue again. we heard about bio-fuel, student funding and similiar things yesterday. but these are our topics. and bush just treats them cause he has only ridden one (what is iraq). and everybody recognizes it.
In his State of the Union address last night, President Bush presented an arguably misleading and often flawed description of "the enemy" that the United States faces overseas, lumping together disparate groups with opposing ideologies to suggest that they have a single-minded focus in attacking the United States.
man thats unfair.
man know what? bush has been unfair the last 6 years. he spent 1.5 trillion for a better fahrt. he ran from a surplus into a minus and suddenly we learn about controlled spending. By 2014. and after a failed iraq war and an inclusive oil crisis we suddenly learn that 1/5th of the us´oil will be made out of corn in 2015. man hillarious.
wait there is a connection?
Your evidence for this is.....?
They have changed their claim to have that legal power. OF course these scumbags will do it if they think they can get away with it.
My point is the threat of meaningful oversight caused them to change their claim to have power to ignore the relevant law.
With meaningful oversight it will be a lot harder for them to break the law, and these people are nothing of not incompetent.
NO FLIRTING !!!
C. Everett Koop
Sure, but wanking is ok.
You mean the pedophile Horatio Alger that the NYC chapter of NAMBLA is named after?
I'm Butch
The point is the mythos that any street urchin can become a solid member of society through hard work, dedication, etc.
Both Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton did that. Overcame the usual barriers to make it to the top.
Funny that only Clinton got beaten up for wrecking "our town" while Nixon actually did wreck "our town" and never got called for it by the pundits.
Which is why Broder and the Quinn whore will be among the first to be tossed into the Duck Pit.
Old Man--fine point: they're sociopaths. Sociopaths don't concern themselves with niceties such as lawful behavior.
Now our luck may have died and our love may be cold but with you forever I'll stay
We're goin' out where the sand's turnin' to gold so put on your stockings baby
'cause the night's getting cold
And everything dies baby that's a fact
But maybe everything that dies someday comes back
So you guys realize that a whole contingent of east coast Atriots/Atriettes are taking a bus to Saturday's big peace demo in washington
Is there still time to get in on this? If so, how?
key phrase: "public 180."
'nuff said.
Would you be willing to come sit by a shiksa goddess, who will ply you with elitist Chardonnay and order Kato to make us a deli run?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 01.25.07 - 12:42 am | #
Did the swarthy little wog get yesterday's H&H order to you on time?
ROSTOV-ON-DON, Russia (AP) - A 18-foot python escaped from its cage at a traveling circus and strangled an employee, said police in the southern Russian city of Stavropol.
The body of a woman who cares for animals at the small circus was found near the glass enclosure with signs of suffocation and remnants of snakeskin on her neck, the regional branch of the Interior Ministry said.
The 220-pound snake was found nearby and returned to its cage.
Which is why Broder and the Quinn whore will be among the first to be tossed into the Duck Pit.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
I'm pretty sure they both have reserved seats on 4lg's first Rocket.
I don't trust our race enough for that. We will never spend the money to adequately secure the spent fuel.
Ok, so you have to trust the corporations to come up with a VERY quick alternative. Are you comfortable with that?
I, myself, don't think there is enough time for development. At least int he short term. Maybe as we're trying to clear the environment of all that carbon and mercury they can be developing that alternative source. But untill then, what?
The body of a woman who cares for animals at the small circus was found near the glass enclosure with signs of suffocation and remnants of snakeskin on her neck, the regional branch of the Interior Ministry said.
The 220-pound snake was found nearby and returned to its cage.
Obviously a suicide.
Sociopaths don't concern themselves with niceties such as lawful behavior.
true. But the smarter ones weigh the possibility of getting caught. Bus may be an imbecile but Cheney, for instance, is not.
The point is the mythos that any street urchin can become a solid member of society through hard work, dedication, etc.
Both Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton did that. Overcame the usual barriers to make it to the top.
Exceptions to the rule. Self made man thing is a myth a'ight.
Pay no attention to me. I'm too butch to make myself.
So I got Rhino's unreal five disc Best of Elektra Records box the other day, which has all sorts of odd shit I'd forgotten over the years.
So far the oddest is from Joshua Rifkin's "Baroque Beatles Book." A chamber orchestra and choir version of "I'll Be Back," which crosses Lennon and McCartney with Bach's B-Minor mass.
Hadn't heard it in over 35 years, and boy is it weird.
Do you like my admiral bars and odd sideburns, Ms. Elders, you saucy liberal wench ??? According to studies, a little Mateus Rose is good for the heart ...
Steve--I think you've put the fear of...well, something, into the little frog bastard.
He was quite punctual.
key phrase: "meaningful oversight"
'nuff said
Hadn't heard it in over 35 years, and boy is it weird.
steve simels
And 35 years later, you are still weird.
The 1.2 TRILLION invested in CLEAN NON-NUCLEAR energy source development INSTEAD of paid to hallifartin etal for this latest delusional scam would have had our entire beautiful planet AWASH in MORE CLEAN energy than we could possibly use. We could right NOW be SELLING the EXCESS to the freaking Klingon grid and pay for everyones healthcare with the profits.
Sheesh.
What a bunch of maroons.
=*=
Peace.
And in the end, the love you take
is equal to the love you make
Ok, so you have to trust the corporations to come up with a VERY quick alternative. Are you comfortable with that?
In one short decade this country came up with the science to put a man on the moon. Led by the government, not corporations.
This country is rich enough and smart enough to come up with alternatives in very short order if we really want to.
Is there still time to get in on this? If so, how?
Ridnik Chrome | 01.25.07 - 12:48 am | #
If you can be on the corner of 14th and 8th avenue in Manhattan at 7:45 Saturday morning, possibly.
Do you like my admiral bars and odd sideburns, Ms. Elders, you saucy liberal wench ??? According to studies, a little Mateus Rose is good for the heart ...
C. Everett Koop
You have sideburns now, Admiral?
"With meaningful oversight it will be a lot harder for them to break the law, and these people are nothing of not incompetent.
The Old Man From Scene 24"
cheney will do whatever the fuck he wants. The dems having over site will certainly scare the sock puppets the cons have heading up various departments. Some have already decided to spend more time with their families. I think the head of the small biz department and others I can’t think of. That is a big deal. It will at leat slow cheney down.
We could right NOW be SELLING the EXCESS to the freaking Klingon grid and pay for everyones healthcare with the profits.
Might be an exaggeration, but the basic truth is that Jimmy Carter had a number of initiatives that could have been paying huge dividends right now if only Ronald Reagan hadn't made killing them his first priority upon assuming office.
Exceptions to the rule. Self made man thing is a myth a'ight.
There was a study recently that social mobility was significantly higher in the EU than in the US.
And in the end, the drugs you make
are equal to the drugs you take.
Unrepentant Fenian | Homepage | 01.25.07 - 12:52 am | #
Fixed your typos...
I'm so looking forward to Cheney retiring for health reasons.
howdy, children.
This country is rich enough and smart enough to come up with alternatives in very short order if we really want to.
We only need to have men and women with integrity, drive, and brains to do this.
No one with all these qualites in the current maladministration, for sure.
time for me to get to bed, where I will cling to the notion that winning elections means *something*.
Night moonbats
Might be an exaggeration, but the basic truth is that Jimmy Carter had a number of initiatives that could have been paying huge dividends right now if only Ronald Reagan hadn't made killing them his first priority upon assuming office.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Huge dividends for the people and general welfare. That's socialism.
Huge dividends are for the elite and elect.
I am deeply concerned that the MSM has not reported on any shark attacks during the last several months ...
Me thinks I shall, with the Lord's Providence, beginneth a blog on this heinous and maliciously under-reported topic, what say ye Stubb ? Hast thou affixed the Spanish double to the topsail as I asked ye?
There was a study recently that social mobility was significantly higher in the EU than in the US.
flory
I do not doubt this at all.
Since the 80's, decreasing social mobility has been a major hidden agenda item of the establishment. The 60's scared them to fucking death.
Steve--I think you've put the fear of...well, something, into the little frog bastard.
He was quite punctual.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 01.25.07 - 12:51 am | #
Glad to hear it. Otherwise I would have had to apply the birch to his little froggy loins akimbo.
This country is rich enough and smart enough to come up with alternatives in very short order if we really want to.
Right. The Invisible Hand and American exceptionalism will over come the laws of thermodynamics!
In one short decade this country came up with the science to put a man on the moon. Led by the government, not corporations.
I agree. But I think ten more years of this is going to be VERY BAD. I really don't think we can afford to wait another ten years to "get started".
But then again, there is not enough plants to produce power enough to eliminate all the coal power generation.
Oh well.
Original sin?!
I'd go back to the Spanish American War, and the subsequent bludgeoning of the Phillipines.
The pattern was set, and as our power increased, so did the urge to project it even further around the globe--damn the consequences*, for we are triumpantly and exceptionally unstoppable, right?
Those so-called "good" wars, the two world wars, wherein the hoi polloi was convinced we were ridding the world of evil had behind them planners cooly calculating the next big power grab--the different presidents brought different styles to bear, but the projection of U.S. power for the exploitation and enrichment of the investor class remains the primary institutional goal of our foreign policy.
What we're experiencing now is nothing new, except that in over a century of blood-drenched geopolitcal big gaming, we have never been so inept at accomplishing strategic goals that have remained largely unchanged since the turn of the previous century.
[*I consider it a historical irony that the 9/11 plot was originally concieved--Project Bojinka--in the Phillipines.]
Captain Ahab,
There is a post about you over at Capt. Jack's place.
Starbuck as Ahab's Enabler
Sandy Levinson
Yesterday's New York Times included a column by Nicholas Kristof that concludes as follows...
http://balkin.blogspot.com/2007/...bs-
enabler.html
In one short decade this country came up with the science to put a man on the moon. Led by the government, not corporations.
Well, sorta. NASA contracted out to a variety of corporations to build Apollo components.
Right. The Invisible Hand and American exceptionalism will over come the laws of thermodynamics!
Well, the first thing you need to have is people who understand the laws of thermodynamics.
No one in that group in charge of any major US corporation or the Executive branch. It gets in the way of them wallowing in their swag.
Since the 80's, decreasing social mobility has been a major hidden agenda item of the establishment. The 60's scared them to fucking death.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
It was actually the late 40s and 50s. All those working class gits showing up in "their" private colleges on that GI Bill. Then daring to think they could go work for corporate America and give orders to "our kind". Hmmph.
At Chez H, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
This thread absolutely blows, even though most all of the comments are witty, relevant, and insightful. But I haven't looked at comments in a while, and the liberal "canon" intrigued me. Yet not one candidate has been nominated here in 80 some comments.
Well, sorta. NASA contracted out to a variety of corporations to build Apollo components.
NTodd, The 12th Phoebe Cates
Like Werner Braun
At Chez H, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
I'm engaged in an experiment to see if nature really does tend toward entropy...
I'm so looking forward to Cheney retiring for health reasons.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Grandmere, who will replace him?
But then again, there is not enough plants to produce power enough to eliminate all the coal power generation.
Coal doesn't have to produce greenhouse gases. As i understand it, gasification works. Coal can be, as a stopgap, a fairly clean energy.
Not as will be done by those bastards at TXU however.
Huge dividends for the people and general welfare. That's socialism.
Huge dividends are for the elite and elect.
I'm Butch | 01.25.07 - 12:56 am | #
Yawn.....
Well, sorta. NASA contracted out to a variety of corporations to build Apollo components.
NTodd, The 12th Phoebe Cates
Like Werner Braun
I'm Butch
He came pre-assembled--good German engineering.
NTodd--I worry that you will be extraordinarily successful.
This thread absolutely blows, even though most all of the comments are witty, relevant, and insightful. But I haven't looked at comments in a while, and the liberal "canon" intrigued me. Yet not one candidate has been nominated here in 80 some comments.
OK, I'll nominate two.
Michal Lind's Up From Conservatism
Gene Lyon's Fools for Scandal
Wernher von Braun, for the record.
Yet not one candidate has been nominated here in 80 some comments.
jf
I nominate jf as wanker of the thread.
Sarah D--some other fuckwad who could never get elected.
NTodd--I worry that you will be extraordinarily successful.
It's my superpower.
shit, jf, if you don't like THIS thread you should hav been here earlier tonight when this crowd couldn't talk enough about OPERA! for crying out loud ...
Well, sorta. NASA contracted out to a variety of corporations to build Apollo components.
NTodd, The 12th Phoebe Cates
I said "led by" didn't I? The government came up with the idea and the money. Nobody stood around waiting for corporate America to give it a go.
Wernher von Braun, for the record.
NTodd,
You mean he wasn't an evil dictator married to Eva Braun?
karen marie--you missed the discussion about prostate exams and colonoscopies this morning.
Yet not one candidate has been nominated here in 80 some comments.
That's a crying fucking shame.
Because of the original sin of the Supreme Court I believe they deserve some of the blame for the Iraq debacle. The Supreme Court is the reason we are in Iraq. Let's impeach the original sinners first.
WASHINGTON (AP) - The United States launched an airstrike in Somalia against suspected terrorist targets - the second such attack this month, defense officials said Wednesday.
mark
Odds are it's another wedding party blasted to bits...
How come the "invisible hand" always smacks me in the face and then takes what little money I have ...
???
I'm engaged in an experiment to see if nature really does tend toward entropy...
NTodd, The 12th Phoebe Cates
Exhibit A: The Mess™
Like Werner Braun
I'm Butch
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun.
Yet not one candidate has been nominated here in 80 some comments.
For fucking what? King of the Blog?
Sallyh, if California's primary was moved up to 2/5, and if Gore was in the race, would he win? I think he'd win Oregon.
... glad i missed that grandmere!
Apprentice to DH--God, I do love Tom Lehrer
I said "led by" didn't I? The government came up with the idea and the money. Nobody stood around waiting for corporate America to give it a go.
Well, JFK came up with the idea as a political stunt. NASA didn't come up with the ideas to get to the moon--they *selected* ideas that others proposed, even going back to the original notion of Lunar Orbit Rendezvous.
If anything, it was a prime example of partnership, more than government leadership. Give an agency a worthy public policy goal, let them work with private industry, and you get somewhere.
Erin--hard to say. Anyway, we've had six elections in what, four years? We've got incredible election fatigue here.
Let's see now, take an Assistant Principal at a Christian school, add in some computer problems, and what do you get?
Busted for kiddie porn.
I just love them xtians.
Exhibit A: The Mess™
I've applied for a Federal grant to do an impact study.
karen marie--a couple of people were offering to post their intestinal photos.
I suggested that even in Oprah's America, there's still such a thing as TMI.
As i understand it, gasification works. Coal can be, as a stopgap, a fairly clean energy.
I don't know where this meme came from, but if you believe it,well....
OK, I'll nominate two.
Michal Lind's Up From Conservatism
Gene Lyon's Fools for Scandal
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 01.25.07 - 1:02 am | #
Catch-22.
No more relevant book has ever been written. As David Berkowitz famously said of Hal Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth ----
"Everything's in it."
Plus it's hysterically funny.
If anything, it was a prime example of partnership, more than government leadership. Give an agency a worthy public policy goal, let them work with private industry, and you get somewhere.
NTodd, The 12th Phoebe Cates
OK. I'll go along with that.
And the same thing could be done for clean energy if we, as a society, wanted to make it happen.
If you can be on the corner of 14th and 8th avenue in Manhattan at 7:45 Saturday morning, possibly.
Do you need a definite answer right now? Or can I just say that I'll try my best? I'm not so good at getting up early in the morning, unfortunately -- even for a worthy cause.
Speaking of which, it's past my bedtime. Good night to all...
Barry--ain't it always the way?
the Arnold thing freaks me
How come the "invisible hand" always smacks me in the face and then takes what little money I have ...
???
Doug Watts
Cheney's been using the Invisible Hand to fist Amerika for the past six years.
Steve Simels--one of my favorite novels.
I read it last year. I had a hard time laughing.
Listening to the kid's eclectic mix. classical to jazz, to Ring of Fire and now Spanish Flea.
Interesting that none of the 5 Supremes were impeached for allowing Chimpy to be prezzlewit, really.
Sallyh, why would the Rethugs not have someone as Veep who would be unelectable...? Wouldn;t they want to position someone who could be a real challenge to the Dem candidate in '08?
Or do you think they have become that crazed...?
I should say, re-read it last year. Prior to that, I read it in college.
Got Mlle to read it. She had a hard time finding it funny, seeing as we live in Bushworld.
Sarah--I do think they're that batshit insane.
If anything, it was a prime example of partnership, more than government leadership. Give an agency a worthy public policy goal, let them work with private industry, and you get somewhere.
NTodd, The 12th Phoebe Cates
And probably a monumental waste of money the Soviets were happy to see us burn.
Speaking of which, it's past my bedtime. Good night to all...
Ridnik Chrome | 01.25.07 - 1:07 am | #
Dude -- I was kidding. I think we're over-booked.
For the love of god, don't show up without checking with watertiger first...
And the same thing could be done for clean energy if we, as a society, wanted to make it happen.
Absolutely. Just what I've been saying for a long time: Apollo/Manhattan Project level societal commitment. $2T spent on killing Iraqis would go a fair bit toward that goal...
Coal can be, as a stopgap, a fairly clean energy.
Only if you burn all the laws of physics and commit suicide and stick your brain in a wood chipper to reduce the pain ...
Anybody have an e-mail addy or phone number for ridnik chrome?
I think I just fucked up big-time.
HILLARY WON THE NETROOTS PRIMARY!!
And probably a monumental waste of money the Soviets were happy to see us burn.
We won, didn't we? And until Apollo 8, the Soviets were spending pretty nicely on the race...
Any of you folks familiar with Peter Veireck?
THE FIRST CONSERVATIVE
by TOM REISS
How Peter Viereck inspired—and lost—a movement.
He believes the original sin was McCarthyism.
I've applied for a Federal grant to do an impact study.
NTodd, The 12th Phoebe Cates
Yeah, well, be careful in there. I'm not sure the laws of physics actually apply.
Believed. He passed last year.
I think I just fucked up big-time.
Bah. Just make ridnik a decent mix tape and he/she will forget the whole thing.
Flory--oh, they apply. What's scary is that I don't think the mess has reached critical mass yet.
And probably a monumental waste of money the Soviets were happy to see us burn.
I hate this argument. The apollo program gave us the fucking computer we are using right now. Plus a whole lot more.
Steve Simels--one of my favorite novels.
I read it last year. I had a hard time laughing.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 01.25.07 - 1:08 am | #
I'm afraid to re-read it, actually.
It changed my life back in the day, and if I didn't like it now, I'd probably kill myself.
eek
now it is techno
Because of the original sin of the Supreme Court I believe they deserve some of the blame for the Iraq debacle. The Supreme Court is the reason we are in Iraq. Let's impeach the original sinners first.
cherry flavored
The first scheme to deal with Original Sin involved nailing a guy to a cross. Well, who can argue with tradition? Just ask yourself, "What would Jesus do?"
Yeah, well, be careful in there. I'm not sure the laws of physics actually apply.
That's part of the study: I'm hoping to artificially create a quantum singularity.
I think I just fucked up big-time.
steve simels
Maybe he's diminuitive and can sit on somebody's lap... yours perhaps?
Just ask yourself, "What would Jesus do?"
Party with friends.
Steve--my experience was that it was more meaningful than ever, and more frightening.
The apollo program gave us the fucking computer we are using right now. Plus a whole lot more.
TANG and velcro.
The spinoff tech argument is pretty weak, though. But hey, at least we got to go to the moon and shit.
I'm a space geek. I dig it. I think it's a more worthy expenditure of money trying to understand our Comos than, say, blowing shit up.
Maybe he's diminuitive and can sit on somebody's lap... yours perhaps?
Ride the snake to the lake.
"'I Just make them go up, who cares where they come down. Nazi, schmatzi!' says Werner Von Braun"
-Tom Lehrer
=*=
Just ask yourself, "What would Jesus do?"
Party with friends.
Stunt Woman
...and whip up a fish sandwich that just won't quit.
Let's impeach the original sinners first.
horrible sandra day, trying to make up for it by serving on the commission
I hate this argument. The apollo program gave us the fucking computer we are using right now. Plus a whole lot more.
smalfish
And was part of the development of the early stages of teh intarwebs we're using it on.
Just ask yourself, "What would Jesus do?"
Party with friends.
Stunt Woman
...and whip up a fish sandwich that just won't quit.
Uncle Smokes
I'll bring wine.
I'm hoping to artificially create a quantum singularity.
NTodd, The 12th Phoebe Cates | Homepage | 01.25.07 - 1:13 am | #
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Artificially creating something means never having to say you're really sorry,
The spinoff tech argument is pretty weak, though.
How so?
"HILLARY WON THE NETROOTS PRIMARY!!
You Know It"
I saw that. The guy is worse than klein. Use a copy and paste from the wsj to beat up Hillary. Then use a "net poll" to debunk the bunk he copied and pasted from the wsj. fox news jr.
It changed my life back in the day, and if I didn't like it now, I'd probably kill myself.
steve simels
Don't reread it. It didn't age well, IMHO.
And the same thing could be done for clean energy if we, as a society, wanted to make it happen.
flory
'Interesting that you'd say that, Flory.
I did the math yesterday on energy, but here it is in long multiplication...
1 Turbine = power for 500 homes
Large Wind Turbine = $1 Million
100 Turbines = power for 50,000 homes.
Cost, only $100 Million.
100,000 Turbines = power for 50 MILLION homes.
Cost, only $100 Billion.
Iraq war, $500 Billion, enough energy for 250 MILLION homes.
I'll bring cchip oatmeal cookies.
Really, it's just an article in The New Yorker about Viereck.
I think there is a narrative in there but I'm not sure what a narrative is...
THE FIRST CONSERVATIVE
by TOM REISS
How Peter Viereck inspired—and lost—a movement.
One of you edjumacated people will have to read it.
I think it's a more worthy expenditure of money trying to understand our Comos than, say, blowing shit up.
It really blows away spending billions on fucking political races.
DAKAR, Senegal (AP) - Rebels in eastern Congo have agreed to stop killing mountain gorillas and allow government rangers to restart patrols, conservationists said Wednesday. Earlier this month, rebels allegedly killed and ate two silverback mountain gorillas, according to field reports collected by London-based Africa Conservation Fund.
I hate movements, especially in the middle of a sound sleep.
Steve Simels--one of my favorite novels.
Who's it by? I can't find this title on Amazon.
That's part of the study: I'm hoping to artificially create a quantum singularity.
NTodd, The 12th Phoebe Cates
Just keep the Punkz safe.
What I want to know is whether Atrios drinks chablis? Atrios a man's man? Guy you wanna have beer with? What about the Marshall guy? He drinks chablis? He a guy you wanna have a beer wth? Atrios ever wrestle a guy, both stripped buck nekkid in front a campfire, dripping with sweat? Huh?
What with this canon and reading stuff? Reading the 'canon' -that don't sound like no guys guy to me. Beer don't sound so good with a guy talks about reading.
This here Eschaton, he a man's guy?
The spinoff tech argument is pretty weak, though.
How so?
smalfish
The moon race was a costly stunt to beat the Soviets at something. The spinoff tech would have happened if we were just working on a re-usable orbital vehicle, which is what we really need.
Joseph Heller is the author's name.
Earlier this month, rebels allegedly killed and ate two silverback mountain gorillas, according to field reports collected by London-based Africa Conservation Fund.
ah, geez...these are such sweet, intelligent primates. Fuck.
So very, very much nicer than humans and chimps (though they are in a tie, for me, w/orangs)
I more of a fella's fella.
Iraq war, $500 Billion, enough energy for 250 MILLION homes.
Pitchforks & Torches, male
As many have said, there are a lot more beneficial uses that money could've been put to....
commentor | Homepage | 01.25.07 - 1:19 am | #
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fuck off.
100,000 Turbines = power for 50 MILLION homes.
I see the relevance, but this is another argument that I really hate.
Just where the fuck are we supposed to put these wind turbines?
Oh ya. South Dakota has lot's of prarie land.
Iraq war, $500 Billion...
A costly stunt to scare Iranians
The spinoff tech argument is pretty weak, though.
How so?
ROI.
I'd rather we argue that it was a good thing in itself. Really, the great majority of computer advances happened after Apollo, and had nothing to do with it (even if you talk about core memory tech, etc).
What Apollo did was build hardware to get us to the moon and back.
Sheets.
Maybe he's diminuitive and can sit on somebody's lap... yours perhaps?
I'm Butch | 01.25.07 - 1:13 am | #
Yawn.
NTodd, The 12th Phoebe Snow.
fixed your typo ...
Just where the fuck are we supposed to put these wind turbines?
care to take this one, Sarah or Apprentice, or flory?
Tons of wind out here.
Turbines galore, Bay Area, Livermore-Pleasanton
Oregon: coast and the columbia river gorge.
I could go on and on.
I'm Butch | 01.25.07 - 1:11 am
Fascinating read.
Interesting how "conservative" was a dirty word back in the 40's.
smalfish,
Every state/county/city should have their own power generation. It would be ridiculous to ship corn to Oregon for ethanol when they can grow their own, or grow hemp.
Just where the fuck are we supposed to put these wind turbines?
care to take this one, Sarah or Apprentice, or flory?
Lots of windy spots in Oregon where there's no one around to bitch about it much.
"Wild as the wind in Oregon, blowing up a canyon..."
EWEB (the Eugene (OR) Water and Electric Board) has a share in wind turbines in Wyoming, for example.
The moon race was a costly stunt to beat the Soviets at something. The spinoff tech would have happened if we were just working on a re-usable orbital vehicle, which is what we really need.
I still think the moon race was a worthy goal. The thing I disagree with was the ending of the program. We could have done great things from that launching point. NASA's re-usable orbiter was originally designed to take advantage of the trip to the moon.
So very, very much nicer than humans and chimps (though they are in a tie, for me, w/orangs)
Sarah Deere
Bonobos are homocidal, like repukes. Elephants are homocidal too, unpredictably at that. It's the ironic moniker for the party, but oh so true.
"Wild as the wind in Oregon, blowing up a canyon..."
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 01.25.07 - 1:24 am | #
"Easier to tame..."
The Maverick theme song.
I love you....
ahh.
EWEB has been lighting the way for decades now.
Carter and so many others proved fucking right. And what good does it do us?
Ack missed a tag. Oops. My bad.
The Maverick theme song.
I love you....
steve simels
I still think the moon race was a worthy goal. The thing I disagree with was the ending of the program. We could have done great things from that launching point. NASA's re-usable orbiter was originally designed to take advantage of the trip to the moon.
smalfish
I agree with Ntodd. It was worth it for it's own sake, but a "moonbase" is not as feasible or useful as it sounds. A safe, reusable orbital and re-entry vehicle and a viable orbital platform (space station) are the utilitarian holy grails.
I'll come in again...
The Maverick theme song.
I love you....
steve simels
/blushes
There you go. The current regime is anything BUT conservative.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 01.25.07 - 1:29 am |
Thank you, Darth. I'm telling you, that guy was on to something. There is a Wiki entry on him. I knew nothing about him until a few days ago.
The part I quoted was Buckley, but the thing was, Buckley was corrupted early on and became an apologist for McCarthy instantly. Viereck OTOH saw clearly that conservatism had been hijacked almost the instant it stepped out the nursery.
And if you read that piece, the "so-called conservatives" did everything they could to forget and expunge him.
Viereck OTOH saw clearly that conservatism had been hijacked almost the instant it stepped out the nursery.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Precisely.
And if you read that piece, the "so-called conservatives" did everything they could to forget and expunge him.
Pretty much like disposing of the Old Bolsheviks, which Reiss mentions.
This is where Lind's Up From Conservatism comes in, where he identifies one of the salient features of movment conservatism - inverted Marxism.
Buckley tries to pass him off as some forerunner to neoconservatism. Perhaps back then. It doesn't wash today.
In “The Messiness of History,” his final lecture at Mount Holyoke before retiring, in 1997, Viereck warned his students of the dangers of trying to democratize the world:
What causes the greatest crimes in history? The greatest bloodshed? The most murders? I would say two things: sincere love and a sincere devotion to liberty. . . . If you kill out of love or for a perfect utopia, you never stop killing because human nature is always imperfect. Robespierre, rightly called “the incorruptible,” was more sincere than Danton and always found somebody deviating just a little bit from true liberty.
At the end of the lecture, Viereck qualified his pessimism a little: “I can think of nothing more gallant, even though again and again we fail, than attempting to get at the facts; attempting to tell things as they really are. For at least reality, though never fully attained, can be defined. Reality is that which, when you don’t believe in it, doesn’t go away.”
This is where Lind's Up From Conservatism comes in, where he identifies one of the salient features of movment conservatism - inverted Marxism.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
I will have to read that...
I wonder if he is any relation to uber con Robert S. Lind?
I mean William S. Lind
http://www.d-n-i.net/
you had to have lived in little rock back then to understand bill & hill.
just like you needed to have been in austin to understand the georgists.
if you had been in those venues during their regimes, you would not have enshrined them.
Jeebus, Atrios, have no really no memory of Newtie's bullshit antics in the 80s? Movement conservative bullshit starts with his serial dishonest viciousness, not with some regurgitated Whitewater smear in the Times. It's not like they hadn't been busy painting Mondale as boring and Gary Hart as Clinton-before-Clinton long before they heard of Bill Clinton. Oh, wait, it is like that.
And don't even get me started on the Reagan hagiography of the day. All he did was sponsor civilian genocide, and he's a fucking hero? Please.
By liberal "canon", do you mean a history of the Townhouse marching orders that have been issued since 1992 ?
Canon? Real leftists don't need a canon, they use a bomb.
Canon would be good. I heard an NPR piece on which somebody like EJ Dionne was asked what the liberal canon would be (we all know the conservative -- Burke, maybe Tocqueville, Russell Kirk, Buckley) and he really didn't have much of an answer. Could do with the Ancient and Moderns, not just recent stuff.
Bob Somerby has done stellar work detailing Jeff Gerth's abyssmal hack jobs (see here )
Following up on Atrios' comments about a Liberal "canon" I would include Gene Lyons' brilliant "Fools For Scandal" a book that exposes the contemptible performance of the so-called "liberal" media when it came to the so-called "Whitewater scandal".
I would also add two remarkable books by Thomas Frank, "One Market Under God" and "What's The Matter With Kansas?".
I would also suggest "Crashing The Gate" by Markos (Daily Kos) Zuniga and Jerome Armstrong, "Wealth And Democracy" and "American Theocracy" by Kevin Phillips, "Hostile Takeover" by David Sirota, and "Take This Job And Ship It" by Sen. Byron Dorgan
Nah, If you look carefully, all current ills on the political scene can be traced back to Nixon.
I would date it back much farther, to GOP Operative Ted Koppel's nightly harping on Nightline about the number of days of the Iran Hostess Crisis. He single-handedly guaranteed the election of Ronald Raygun and the demolition of liberty that has continued uninterrupted ever since. It propagated whole mindless, deer in the headlights Dems-can't-handle-defense notion that has become a mark of the MSM ever since, while masquerading as liberal media. I don't know whose payroll Koppel was on, or what being or beings controlled his mind, but he served his Masters well.
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