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There was a boutique civil rights movement? Cool. What accessories did it carry?
Mornin Hecate!!
Isn't "boutique" a dirty word in French or something?
eleven million billionth
Nice to see ya Mike!!!
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Because, Goddess knows, the civil rights movement is still not mainstream.
Jay Carney needs to learn this little lesson about not digging deep holes any deeper.
There was a boutique civil rights movement? Cool. What accessories did it carry?
Michael Bérubé
Cool hemp chokers and neckties for the gentlemen.
Civil rights movement = bad.
Morning, UNE! How have you been?
Isn't "boutique" a dirty word in French or something?
Lime Rickey
It's French for ass or something like that.
sure it is
Isn't "boutique" a French word and dirty or something?
Cleaned that up for ya Ricky.
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Who needs Biden and for that matter, who needs the lamestream?
It's all just horserace stuff.
MLK himself would be the definition of "fringe" now, wouldn't he?
Let's hear it for the fringe!
There was a boutique civil rights movement? Cool. What accessories did it carry?
Michael Bérubé
Cool hemp chokers and neckties for the gentlemen.
You're thinking of the late rasta-nationalist phase. The Civil Rights Movement had those snazzy "I Am A Man"-themed products.
I am so embarrassed, but the words that come to mind are something about the house negro . . . .
There has never been a white male candidate who was "fringe." All white male candidates are clean, articulate, and good looking.
Apparently.
I am so embarrassed, but the words that come to mind are something about the house negro . . . .
Colin Powell?
Boutique is a specialty that is supposed to be well crafted and special...
Tweety spends all his time tearing down the Dem candidates. Turn your tongue of viciousness loose on the 'Pukes for awhile, Tweety, you looser.
I heard the tape of what Biden said and it didn't sound all that bad to me. What people are saying in reaction is what's truly revealing.
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The Civil Rights Movement had those snazzy "I Am A Man"-themed products.
Oh, right. Thanks for the memories, MAJeff. But those things never made it into the mainstream, so far as I know. Let's ask Chris Matthews. 'Cause the mainstream is the key to him.
Morning, UNE! How have you been?
Well, thank you.
I am waiting for one of my roomies to finish the paper on why the soviet state fell, written by a henry hale, so I can read it for shits and grins.
And you? I imagine that the grandchild is prolly starting the crawl and has passed the object permanence developmental stage?
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There has never been a white male candidate who was "fringe." All white male candidates are clean, articulate, and good looking.
Apparently.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
That sounds like David Duke.
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That enrages me! What is this asshole's background--a father who was in charge of Auschwitz?
CARNEY: Who didn’t come from the civil rights movement, you know, who came up through elected office, who wasn’t, you know, simply a boutique or fringe candidate...
Shame on Jay Carney and Chris Matthews for letting him get away with it - It's 2007 - and the Civil Rights movement isn't considered "mainstream"? BS!!!!
Biden is well-spoken for a white guy
and clean.
Yeah, the civil rights movement was totally not mainstream, whereas grade B Hollywood movie-making was.
Boutique is a specialty that is supposed to be well crafted and special...
Rico Suave
Wrong!!!11!
Have you never heard the song *Shake your boutique*?
Bill Richardson is up now on C-span.
MATTHEWS: Mainstream is the key to me.
CARNEY: Who didn’t come from the civil rights movement, you know, who came up through elected office, who wasn’t, you know, simply a boutique or fringe candidate...
If the concept of civil rights isn't mainstream to these people, our national discourse is in far more danger than I had believed, and believe me, I thought it was in huge trouble.
All white male candidates are clean, articulate, and good looking.
Who was that pubbie that failed to remember more than three of the ten commandments on the colbert show?................
Biden's ideas on Iraq are as igrorant and racist as his language concerning Blacks reveals him to be. The Iraqis have other ideas that even include talking to their neighbors (gasp).
Heh, it only gets better!
boutiquey and fringe-laden african americans just can't get no break 'round heah.
Have you never heard the song *Shake your boutique*?
JohnJS
I thought it was pronounced (long o)Bo-tique.
In Long Island it is.
Carney is working hard on Klein-like degrees of douchebaggery.
p.s. Somerby is God.
Tweety spends all his time tearing down the Dem candidates. Turn your tongue of viciousness loose on the 'Pukes for awhile, Tweety, you looser.
Yup, he spends all his energy destroying the credibility of Democrats over stupid bullshit non issues like speaking style and likeability then wonders why republicans are allowed to menace the country unopposed for decades. It's not an accident. He knows who butters his toast.
Carney (subtext) Those people demanding their civil rights were very angry, so we, of the elite class, will ignore them every chance we get.
What a wanker.
Biden is well-spoken for a white guy
and clean.
However Jim Carney is neither clean nor well spoken.
Heard tell the other day on Access EXtra Inside Hollywood Edition that Miz Farrah just turned the big 6-oh.
I thought it was pronounced (long o)Bo-tique.
As in the little bo-tique that lost its chic?
This little exchange ought to actually help make it clear why Biden's comments were objectionable. The underlying attitude was peeking through in his comments, but it's shouting and waving in what Carney and Matthews are saying.
Biofuels update: NPR had a story about a high school kid in Tallahassee who's invented a process for turning kudzu into ethanol. Kudzu has the advantage of being "abundant.
He persuaded his principal to let him install a still in the science lab
many so-called civil rights groups, like the Black Panthers and marchers who would not follow police orders, were actually terrorists, ripping apart the fabrick of our society. Maybe we can still undo the damage these have done.
Biden's ideas on Iraq are as igrorant and racist as his language concerning Blacks reveals him to be. The Iraqis have other ideas that even include talking to their neighbors (gasp).
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Biden has been right on Iraq. His goomba-speak will keep him out of a national office but hopefully not off of the next cabinet.
jim/jay
Biden has a hole in his head.
MATTHEWS: Mainstream is the key to me.
Fuck you, Tweety. There's only one decider, and you ain't him by a longshot.
And you? I imagine that the grandchild is prolly starting the crawl and has passed the object permanence developmental stage?
Definitely, crawls everwhere and also toddles like mad if you'll hold his hands. His first word is "cat." I'm sure Nonna will be second. 
As in the little bo-tique that lost its chic?
R. McGeddon
Are you from Longuyland, too?
What Biden was saying, and this is Biden’s fault for not being clear in what he was saying in this interview, is that there hasn’t been a candidate, a viable African-American candidate with all those qualities in one.
What Carney is sayin, is that, and this is carneys fault, is that at the coctail parties that he goes to wherein it is always discussed with some amazement that occassionally a negro who can actually comport himself with civility and grace, is in fact the exception that proves the rule: i.e. the rest of the negroes are savages and to be held beneath contempt.
Mr Carney placed highly in the last world xenophobic gymnastics competition.
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Carney (subtext) Those people demanding their civil rights were very angry, so we, of the elite class, will ignore them every chance we get.
I truly think you've hit on something here. Carney ought to be required to memorize the Letter from Birmingham Jail and recite it seven times a day.
The anger demonstrated, and hatred for average Americans, is why the civil rights movement went too far and will never win the heartland or the south. They destroyed proud traditions.
OMG! We are all gonna DIE!
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(If you are in the area, we are making breakfast and having some really nice coffee and listening to Steely Dan. )
ripping apart the fabric of a racist and exclusionist society is what the founders intended, augs. why do you hate?
He persuaded his principal to let him install a still in the science lab
Draco
The old still trick, eh?
Wlbur Mills in the fountain with Fanny Fox. Wayne Hays and Elizabeth Ann Ray. Don Sherwood and his gf. An historical continuum of clean, white good looking males. Did Scoop Jackson outpoll Jesse Jackson?
auggysback -- You know nothing, NO THING, on this subject.
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But, but, but, how will we know what to do if Tweety, Timmeh, et al, aren't defining the mainstream for us?
Goshamighty, someone might mistakenly vote for a negro or a woman for President and then what would happen?
Spittle is attacking Rev. Jackson as his unnamed unmainstream strawman.
ripping apart the fabrick of our society...
auggysback
This one's for you, auggy.
ripping apart the fabric of a racist and exclusionist society is what the founders intended, augs. why do you hate?
ronjazz | 02.03.07 - 10:09 am | #
I don't think so. "racism" and "exclusion" is your code words to denigrate hard work, earned statu, and hand freedom to those who have not earned it because we give them special rights, not civil rights.
OT
"I think it was a revolutionary moment; a lot like the moment when John Stewart called Tucker Carlson a dick and, when chided for not playing the game the way that Tucker expected it to be played, replied, "No. I'm not going to be your monkey."
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just bringing this out of Hecate's blog on the Toy that Ate Boston and Upchucked 70's Hair.
thanks Hecate!
Jay: ya know Chris, he ain't one dem uppity blacks, we bin seein in the past. Dem was the bad one's, dis is a good clean one, whys I coulds even vote foe him meself.
bet he got some white genes in em.
spoken like a true, blueblooded, white American! Thank God they are watching out for us.
prous traaditions such as slavery and bigotry are yours alone, auggy. in america we value freedom. you should leave.
Maybe it is Carney's turn to have big bloggerdom's focus.
Matthews and Carney have a problem with angry black men who want to vote, go to school and work just like anyone else.
Pathetic.
Auggy misses Jim Crow? How...shocking.
"I think it was a revolutionary moment; a lot like the moment when John Stewart called Tucker Carlson a dick and, when chided for not playing the game the way that Tucker expected it to be played, replied, "No. I'm not going to be your monkey."
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just bringing this out of Hecate's blog on the Toy that Ate Boston and Upchucked 70's Hair.
thanks Hecate!
Nancy Willing
I like it. It reminds me of the Chicago 7 (or 
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hand freedom to those who have not earned it because we give them special rights, not civil rights.
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yeesh, and this from a nit-wit who would have us spend blood and treasure to "hand freedom" to mid-east foreigners.
auggysback -- You speak self-serving, ignorant nonsense.
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I speak the truth, and you can't stand it.
Stop picking on auggy for being upset about losing the only thing that made him feel superior to anyone.
special rights like voting and equality, auggy? you're a traitor and an ignoramous. you should be exiled to N. Koroea, where they think like you.
Morning.
DWD: our wind chills will drop into the "Danger Zone" today, holding at -10 to -20. Blowing & drifting snow will become a huge concern, especially in the rural areas. Some north-south roads may almost drift shut, and become virtually impassable.
Our IA windchill is -30 today; last night the tv weatherdude told viewers to be sure to wear hats. . .
Another group that does not deserve special right are the gays, they have an illness and it can be cured.
Hey, maybe there is a silver lining to this latest Biden prickstep: Clarence Thomas may reflect that he's as clean, good-looking, and mainstream as any colored man out there, and decide to break on through to the other side of the Peter Principle and resign his seat in the SCOTUS to run for President in 2008. (Thomas/Rice? Thomas/McCain? Thomas/Leiberman?...)
sheets
What did you ever do to earn your freedom, Auggy?
The anger demonstrated, and hatred for average Americans, is why the civil rights movement went too far and will never win the heartland or the south. They destroyed proud traditions.
auggysback - 10:08 am
chump, i'm white and i detest you and your hearland and everything about your shabby asses...
auggy, you lost the 1st civil war, and you'll lose this one as well. with any luck, your kind will be outlawed and the vote taken from you, as you are against the law and constitution.
Tweety has, BTW, NO business discussing whether or not anyone else is articulate. Good grief.
and hand freedom to those who have not earned it
auggysback
How many hands do you have free right now, auggy?
"hand freedom"
"Hand freedom" is all this troll's got.
And he's gonna need it.
"If you are in the area, we are making breakfast and having some really nice coffee and listening to Steely Dan."
We're sitting up here in Cedar Springs, drinking coffee in between bouts of poking around for firewood in snowdrifts
Outside, it's like a scene from the movie Day After Tomorrow . . .
Civil rights... soooo fringy!
I wonder, and believe you me I have no interest in defending Mathews, et al, if by "mainstream" they really meant to say "Represents a broader constituency."?
They're trying to use the word "mainstream" to mean "someone who holds an elected office" which of course it not what that word means.
Either way, I'm tired of hearing that word.
Chris Matthews's guests always use coded language to make the same talking points the bigots on stormfront message board make
so embarrassing! these bobbleheads are bad for America.
There was a boutique civil rights movement? Cool. What accessories did it carry?
Michael Bérubé | Homepage | 02.03.07 - 9:56 am | #
Hi Michael!
Don't you remember the boutique civil rights movement? It was all of us dirty hippies wearing tie-dye shirts in Pan-African green, yellow and red colors, macramé friend-ship bracelets made out of hemp, and peace symbol necklaces.
1) Obama is a liberal Democrat.
2) Obama is "mainstream."
3) Therefore, the mainstream is made up of liberal Democrats, or people who hold views largely consistent with liberal Democrats.
I'm pretty sure Carney and Matthews didn't mean to suggest that. Liberal Democrats have cooties, or something...
O.M.G.
We are so fucked.
Clean, you know, clean.
Yes, all those civil rights types were far too uppity.
Fringe, you know, like that one guy ... you remember, back in 1988? From Maryland or Delaware, I think, what was his name? Bowdoin? Bodeen? He stole his speeches from some Brit, and Jesse Jackson cleaned his clock in the primaries? That guy. What a jerk.
Matthews is a beltway piss drinker, always on the lookout for the "mainstream"
Man! If I was J.C. Watts* this morning I'd be one pissed off dude!
* Or Colin Powell.
auggysback
Let me get this straight, buddy. You're saying that the right to vote is a special right given to undeserving blacks; you're saying that government enforced apartheid is not odious to the constitution.
Somebody needs to go back to stormfront.
I think "mainstream" in this context means "plausible White House career path." Not breaking any precedents with the old resume. In that sense, neither Jesse Jackson nor Ross Perot nor Lee Iacocca nor Ralph Nader were "mainstream" candidates. And Obama definitely is.
Has anyone in the last two hundred years been elected president who has not first served as a senator, governor, vice president, senior cabinet official or supreme allied commander?
Thanks Carney & Matthews. I needed two white guys to splain it to me cuz I'm a dumb shit. Whew. Glad to know what mainstream is. It's not fringe, it's not afro, it's not muslim, it's not a mule or a donkey kinda stuff ala Al S. Don't want none of that 'round your swamp. Gets kind a messy. This dumb white chick in Minnesota thanks you
I take that back. I think Biden meant something pretty innocuous (like thr resume). Carney and Matthews, though....
This is a silly subject.
We all know Biden was atlaking about Obama's squeaky clean image, which we have to admit is very lacking the African-American political field.
The same was said about John Edwards when he joined the Senate, but then no one was listening because he's white.
Biden said something stupid. He won't be president anyway. Let it go.
I really wish people would quit labeling efforts to dress well, speak clearly and excel in life as "being white."
This thread has been totally dead for 16 hours but I just read the entire link and I feel the deep need to state that so much of our Washington press corps and media consists of such total assholes. They are so much worse that our shitbag politicans, who at least have to face the voters every few years and some of whom at least try to hide their enormous self-love, self-regard and self-importance. God how I do not just despise and find them to be loathsome lowly shits, I truly have come to hate them and wish them ill. Not death or physical harm, just poverty and a life spent begging for nickels and cleaning windshields with dirty rags.
I like my translation: Barack Obama is the new car everyone wants; no, more than a new car, he's the new, innovative, groundbreaking model we've all been waiting for. He's the car no one has performance tested, or endurance tested, or road-joy tested; we are all in the market for a new car, we all love our cars, and we love to drive, and we're bored and disappointed and just plain tired of everything that's out there. We have no way of knowing if he'll measure up to our fantasies, but we're thrilled just thinking about it.
Rev. Sharpton and Senator Mosley-Braun certainly had some baggage by 2004 but Rev. Jackson in '88 and Rep. Chisholm in 72 had no ethical problems at the time.
Chisholm was smart, attractive, a great speaker and had been a state legislator before running for Congress. She was Obama and Hillary all in one.
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