I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Me?
Me! And I even read the post and link first!
It will be a very good day.
Apparently ambulance service is another socialized medicine thing that needs to be eliminated.
Pfui.
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If there's anyone on the planet who can use a good stiff drink, it's a mother
Good Christ. I've got movies of my mother and her best friend drinking and smoking while obviously pregnant.
String 'em up!
You need a drink if you're watching small children.
I watch the four-year-old once a week, and by the end of the day I'm ready for quite a few shots.
The Today show is teh suck.
Fathers, however, can drink all they like.
No! Don't call *that* fire department, the other one has coupons.
Let me guess: women are giving other women this shit, right?
"Mommmy, I cut my finger"
"Kids we're goin' to the hospital.... hold on!
"WHEEEEEEEE!!!!!"
Nevertheless, a lot of parents are sending unprepared kids to school. Blame it on modern economics or whatevever, but it's there.
You wouldn't want kids seeing their parents responsibly using drugs and alcohol. They might get the wrong message.
Nevertheless, a lot of parents are sending unprepared kids to school. Blame it on modern economics or whatevever, but it's there.
Marchbleed
I blame it on unprepared mothers
now, what were we taling about?
A simple response might be to make a comment about the increase in child poverty and the decrease in available health care for poor children since Bush has been president.
My biggest issue with having a drink while my kids are around is that they keep pestering me for a slug.
Nevertheless, a lot of parents are sending unprepared kids to school. Blame it on modern economics or whatevever, but it's there.
The bold parts could use a few specifics, otherwise, it's just "some people say" mumbo-jumbo designed to get ignoramuses all riled up.
If there's anyone on the planet who can use a good stiff drink, it's a mother
Hecate
My poor mom had four daughters and was a teetotaler. I have two and drank wine every single solitary day. My older girl was born in Italy and the ob/gyn recommended red wine during pregnancy. In the hospital I was served beer with every meal to help the milk.
Good times.
"Mommmy, I cut my finger"
"Here,here let me pour my Cosmo over the cut. There, you're fine sweety, now go fetch mommy some more sour mix from the kitchen Matties mommy needs another drink."
UGH!
Can't have a beer in peace without the four year begging for a sip and the twelve year old offering to get down the whisky for me.
my parents gave up smoking and limited their alcohol to a glass of sherry before bed.
I rebelled against that nasty sherry.
A simple response might be to make a comment about the increase in child poverty and the decrease in available health care for poor children since Bush has been president.
The best response is to discuss 1970s hairstyles
Is the message in this bullshit piece that Mom shouldn't drink, ever? Or is it that if Mom has spare capacity to have a life beyond childbearing/caring, she's "insufficiently focused", and needs to STFU and get back in the house?
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The first BIG mistake one makes is to take anything the Today Show says seriously.
A bigger bunch of idiots exists nowhere else on broadcast television
Many of my girlfriends have joked that when they have kids, they're going to instruct their little tykes, "Now fetch mommy a cocktail!"
Joking? Ahem, right, joking. Anyway, I've been, um, joking about this since before The Boy was born (much to the, um, no longer even feigned amusement of my Much Better Half), and he still doesn't know how to make me a martini. I have, however, managed to put this disappointment to the side, and I do love him anyway.
He does, however, know that vodka is referred to as "daddy juice" in our house.
Also, I don't know what modern economics means.
My father had to drink to be around his children.
watching the dnc mtg -- too bad that tom vilsack is such an uninspiring speaker, cause he sure is saying alot of good things.
s the message in this bullshit piece that Mom shouldn't drink, ever? Or is it that if Mom has spare capacity to have a life beyond childbearing/caring, she's "insufficiently focused", and needs to STFU and get back in the house?
I'd say...yes.
Ask some teachers, res.
But but - we're just vehicles for our wombs, which are bigger than we are and walk us around on leashes.
That's what this shit makes me feel like.
Morning batz.
Let me guess.
A man said this, right?
My grandmother considered it part of essential training of children to teach them to make a proper martini.
I happen to know that I'm more fun when I'm one-sheet-to-the-wind. And I give a damn good impromptu puppet show.
"Careful with that finger, lady."
Of course, with the economy booming along like it is, this "problem' may ttake care of itself as no one will be able to afford to drink socially.
Follow up question:
* What percentage of employees of the Today Show who are parents have a prescription for a mood altering drug, specifically a sleep aid.
I know the Today Show, you have to get up at 3am pretty often if you work there, and go to bed at 7pm.
So how many parents -- that work there -- use sleep aids?
Why should I ask teachers? You're the one who posted the comment?
modern economics = both parents working 40+ hrs per week.
I'm not gonna say any more because people are too easily offended by this general topic of parenting (and I have to go to work).
watching the dnc mtg -- too bad that tom vilsack is such an uninspiring speaker, cause he sure is saying alot of good things.
linda
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they just cut to some poor guy in the front row wretching,
* What percentage of employees of the Today Show who are parents have a prescription for a mood altering drug, specifically a sleep aid.
Roker's little helper
speaking of babies and society criticism re fitness to be parents, a great post over at LesbianDad, which is not my blog but as a lesbian, I am contractually obligate to whore it:
And even asleep hath he smote his Auntie
Parents drinking set a bad example for the future soldiers of Operation Iraq Freedom XVIII
I remember my kid had colic and they gave him perigor (no not the spring water) ... morphine ... now he apprentices for a Rush Limbaugh like show
So how many parents -- that work there -- use sleep aids?
El Flailey
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score!
today's "aides" ain't got the stigma of mommy's little helper, they are as mainstream as any lil'ole glass of beer.
they just cut to some poor guy in the front row wretching,
How'd Ann Coulter get in?
Moms have bad breath after drinking. She should smoke either. If they do the fumes will make them go dragonbreath and set the ambulance on fire when it shows up to take me to the hospital cause my arm got cut off by the toyswing chains. Mom usually warns me about that. It keeps me on my toes. But today mom had too many shirley temples and I didn't remember on my own now I have one arm and mom is in the dry tank.
When I was a young father my wife always wore a nice dress with a white apron and had her hair done nicely when I returned home from work. She had a warm smile and a martini in a chilled glass waiting for me. Our children were all fed and up in their rooms.
Plotting to kill me for my money.
res, I don't have the numbers/specifics, so consider my statement above retracted. I will try not to let it happen again.
What a drag it is getting old
"Kids are different today,"
I hear ev'ry mother say
Mother needs something today to calm her down
And though she's not really ill
There's a little yellow pill
She goes running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
And it helps her on her way, gets her through her busy day
"Things are different today,"
I hear ev'ry mother say
Cooking fresh food for a husband's just a drag
So she buys an instant cake and she burns her frozen steak
And goes running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
And two help her on her way, get her through her busy day
Doctor please, some more of these
Outside the door, she took four more
What a drag it is getting old
"Men just aren't the same today"
I hear ev'ry mother say
They just don't appreciate that you get tired
They're so hard to satisfy, You can tranquilize your mind
So go running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
And four help you through the night, help to minimize your plight
Doctor please, some more of these
Outside the door, she took four more
What a drag it is getting old
"Life's just much too hard today,"
I hear ev'ry mother say
The pusuit of happiness just seems a bore
And if you take more of those, you will get an overdose
No more running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
They just helped you on your way, through your busy dying day
Portray desperate moms who opt out of the workforce and opt in to alcoholism!!!
Sounds like a right wing producer trying to achieve some kind of bizarro liberal fair and balance to the normal right wing goal of stay at home momming...
Great Martini.
Godiva Chocolate Martini recipe
Scale ingredients to servings
1 1/2 shots Godiva® chocolate liqueur
1 1/2 shots creme de cacao
1/2 shot vodka
2 1/2 shots half-and-half
Mix all ingredients in a shaker with ice, shake and pour into a chilled cocktail glass.
Mommies drinking set a bad example for the future cannon fodder of Operation Iraq Freedom XVIII
Fixed yer typo.
This is funny cause I was just bitching to Mr. Tena about the fact that I waited all these years to be a grownup and it's supposed to be my world. But nooo - I get here and it's all about the goddamned kids.
Fuck that - I am sick to death of everything being geared toward kids.
What a drag it is getting old "Kids are different today," I hear ev'ry mother say Mother needs something today to calm her down And though she's not really ill There's a little yellow pill She goes running for the shelter of a mother's little helper And it helps her on her way, gets her through her busy day
I remember my kid had colic and they gave him perigor (no not the spring water) ... morphine ... now he apprentices for a Rush Limbaugh like show
Christine Perfect
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Rush may have the kid on his distribution phone tree.
Parents having a little nip-- evil, evil, evil.
Parents dousing their kids with all sorts of behavior modifying drugs-- standard operating procedure.
They ARE nuts.
Big difference from occasionally having a cocktail to being a lush, drunk all the time.
What do they want to do, say women with children can NEVER have a drink? WTF??
So how many parents -- that work there -- use sleep aids?
My sister lost her leg cause mom was too distracted busy having loud sex with daddy to hear her screaming when the pet parakeet ate her foot off.
This is funny cause I was just bitching to Mr. Tena about the fact that I waited all these years to be a grownup and it's supposed to be my world. But nooo - I get here and it's all about the goddamned kids.
Fuck that - I am sick to death of everything being geared toward kids.
*crosses Tena off list of potential babysitters* 
"It had a very sinister appearance,"
So does Dick Cheney.
[Massachusetts Attorney General Martha] Coakley told reporters. "It had a battery behind it, and wires."
So does Dick Cheney's heart.
Does this mean that we can get the Boston Bomb Squad to blow up Dick Cheney?
This is funny cause I was just bitching to Mr. Tena about the fact that I waited all these years to be a grownup and it's supposed to be my world. But nooo - I get here and it's all about the goddamned kids.
Thank you. THere are lots of us who do not have kids and are happy about it.
Why should the whole world be geared toward child rearing? Feh.
Godiva Chocolate Martini recipe
Talk about evil.
Moe, comments?
My sister lost her leg cause mom was too distracted busy having loud sex with daddy to hear her screaming when the pet parakeet ate her foot off.
Mom's bad breath
lol lol lol!!
*crosses Tena off list of potential babysitters*
left rev
Naw, I'm perfect. I'll just get busy smoking and I"ll ignore em.
Unfortunately, I don't drink.
But but - we're just vehicles for our wombs, which are bigger than we are and walk us around on leashes.
whoah, Tena, whatever dadaist 'supplement' you put in your coffee this morning, I want some. That's quite the image.
oh and right on, sistah
Social expectations of mothers are utterly unrealistic.
Besides, cocktail hour got me through the teenaged years.
I do get tired with the adults who are permanently fucking this world up saying how much they are concerned about children.
So how many parents -- that work there -- use sleep aids?
My sister lost her leg cause mom was too distracted busy having loud sex with daddy to hear her screaming when the pet parakeet ate her foot off.
Mom's bad breath
that happens alot more than people would belive and is a national tragedy at this point ... like poor posture
*crosses Tena off list of potential babysitters*
left rev
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
lr - that's hilarious.
There's a concept known as the "dignity of risk": One chooses to behave in a manner that has risk attached, and therefore assumes the risk.
I shouldn't be able to climb a 9' razor wire fence clearly marked as electric, and also guarded by attack dogs, and then sue the property owner when serious injury results.
"Shouldn't" being the operative word.
Our society had chosen to disallow its citizens the dignity of responsibility.
Not exactly on track, but not OT, either.
Moe, comments?
Alcohol and milk products do not mix in the Moe household. I like my booze straight up anyway-- never was big on any kind of cocktail.
Naw, I'm perfect. I'll just get busy smoking and I"ll ignore em.
Unfortunately, I don't drink.
Tena
How am I supposed to compete with that?
*me want smileys*
Thanks for the Godiva martini recipe. I was wondering what to get the missus for V day.
HoneyBearKelly,
Isn't that funny? I automatically assumed it would be women accusing other women and you thought it would come from a man.
oh and right on, sistah
virgotex
That's what this shit makes me feel like - a walking womb. Swear to the goddess.
Oh...I finished moving the snow, split a couple logs too big to be "all nighters"...
Bring it on!
Also, I don't know what modern economics means.
Silly res.
It's all about understanding the economy in a way that makes you agree with chimpy's economic policies.
Lots of walking wombded on here today.
Alcohol and milk products do not mix in the Moe household.
Your thinking is so uptight, man. I'll have a White Russian.
A little Godiva's in Ghirardelli hot chocolate = ambrosia.
Alcohol and milk products do not mix in the Moe household. I like my booze straight up anyway-- never was big on any kind of cocktail.
That's what I meant. The most extravagant mixer I use is quinine water.
Nirvana = a Valrhona Jivara Lait chocolate bar.
For the record, when I'm watching my granddaughter in the evening, I always have a glass of wine or a cocktail. I always had said intoxicants while hanging out with my daughter in the evening when she was young.
And, believe it or not, I was that horrible mother who'd say to Mlle, the adults want to talk now, find something to amuse yourself with.
Also, I don't know what modern economics means.
Post-1973. April, 1973.
Silly res.
When I hear statements phrased that way, I hear Rush Limbaugh. It's the exact kind of shit that wingnuts go out and repeat...the way stupid, destructive wingnut memes get started. Like "Protestors spat on vets!" We all know that it was steve simels that spat on vets! Sheesh!
Your thinking is so uptight, man. I'll have a White Russian.
hey Dude!
I remember my kid had colic and they gave him perigor (no not the spring water) ... morphine ... now he apprentices for a Rush Limbaugh like show
Paregoric. Tincture of opium.
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Oh, man, don't tell the Today show about Passover Seders...all the adults drank 4 glasses of wine, and believe me, they couldn't handle it!
Lots of walking wombded on here today.
left rev |
Anybody tried Cuervo Black Medalion and Cola?
Tequila and cola just don't seem to go.
driftglass,
This is for you.
Lots of walking wombded on here today.
left rev
I wombder why?
I remember my kid had colic and they gave him perigor (no not the spring water) ... morphine ... now he apprentices for a Rush Limbaugh like show
Paregoric. Tincture of opium.
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Cynicus |
My dad would have gotten addicted to perigoric if he could have gotten enough of it.
Nirvana = a Valrhona Jivara Lait chocolate bar.
*swoons into puddle of drool*
"Mom, have you been drinking again?"-my kids
And, believe it or not, I was that horrible mother who'd say to Mlle, the adults want to talk now, find something to amuse yourself with.
What's horrible about that?
I can't stand it if I'm with friends who have children who constantly let the children interrupt the adults with their nonsense.
Also, I don't know what modern economics means.
Daddy says economics is what happens when he pays his bookie off before the muscle guys show up.
Also, I don't know what modern economics means.
Silly res.
It's all about understanding the economy in a way that makes you agree with chimpy's economic policies
Hence my smart-arsing earlier that economics is a form of theology.
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I don't even understand ice, really. With one exception to all the above-- in the summer after working outside all day, nothing like a gin and tonic. That's the only drink I'll mix, if you can call it that.
Paregoric. Tincture of opium.
Correct. I was going to mention same.
Kids?
I say fuck 'em.
Our society had chosen to disallow its citizens the dignity of responsibility.
Not exactly on track, but not OT, either.
Revenant
resposibility might have had some kind of inclusion like ... hey! dont populate native lands likeyou own it ... so what fi we dont get it the british will ... we'll kick their limey asses again and make it an inclusive nation for which we've drawn up this very articulate and earsntwhile document that we intend to live by
I was at a concert with country-swing band last night (Rani Arbo and Daisey Mayhem - best folk/swing band in New England IMHO)and three of the four musicians are now new parents. They said after having the kids they understood a whole new meaning of the Lefty Frizzel song, "I Do My Crying At Night."
Just read the New Yorker article about childbirth. Good, but a little scary.
nawww ... the draw of free real estate and murdering for profit is just too strong and ... daddy i'm so weak
We all know that it was steve simels that spat on vets! Sheesh!
He didn't actually SPIT on the vet, but he did holler at one.
Right before he set fire to the library of congress.
Culture of Truth,
Is that the one by Atul Gawande? That guy is a great writer.
Isn't that funny? I automatically assumed it would be women accusing other women and you thought it would come from a man.
It was a woman.
Dr Janet Taylor. Whoever the fuck she is.
I thought it was a man cause they always think they know what's best for us.
res,
Gratzi. My mouf is all a-water now.
Actually, I think one can make a pretty good case that Dwight Eisenhower destroyed the American Family.
If only I had a blog...
Tequila and cola just don't seem to go.
the town where I live (Wimberley) is dry,thus all alcohol is at least several miles away, on hilly wooded roads.
It makes for some interesting cocktails, since going out for stuff is often too much trouble.
Last week I enjoyed several tequilas w/ Diet Dr. Pepper
I don't even understand ice, really.
I'm a big fan of scotch-rocks. I also put the brewski in the freezer for about 15 minutes or so before imbibing.
Excuse me, I meant Doctor Atul Gawande.
steve simels (and the NYT) regret the omission.
Moe:
After working ouside on a hot day...hell, WHILE working outside on a hot day...
Molson's...Golden, Red Jack, Export, Brador...
Lots of walking wombded on here today.
left rev
I wombder why?
Irving R. Feldman
Depends on womb you ask.
Hence my smart-arsing earlier that economics is a form of theology.
Of course.
4Legs--nowadays, it seems the kids have to be included in everything. One of the most irritating dinners I had in recent history was one where the couple we were visiting was adamant that their 10 year old accompany us. Monsieur and I had been looking forward to having an evening of work tales, political ranting, and sheer adult silliness--instead we had a 10 year old who dominated every conversation.
I used to get really pissed off when I'd have birthday parties for Mlle and the mothers would insist on staying. I never stayed, and boy, did I get comments. It was as if taking two hours for myself while Mlle hung with friends was a capital crime.
nawww ... the draw of free real estate and murdering for profit is just too strong and ... daddy i'm so weak
"Daddy knows you're weak, Princess, that's why we have Purity Balls, and......"
i think i just creeped myself out. Brr.
None of this is about the kids, it's all a euphemism.
The big right wing concern with stay at home mom's drinking isn't that one of the kids might get hurt and have to go to the hospital, which almost never happens, but the much more likely occurrence that a strange man might come to the door...
I can't stand it if I'm with friends who have children who constantly let the children interrupt the adults with their nonsense.
fourlegsgood
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Mlle probably was too canny for nonsense, considering her mom and all.
I thought it was a man cause they always think they know what's best for us.
But women give other women no end of shit. I know, because I've given (and received) a fair amount of it. Trying to be more conscious of this.
"it's your right to tell other people how to be parents"
They also think they have the right to tell people what to name their kids.
I like what David Letterman said. "Tell them to go pound sand."
the town where I live (Wimberley) is dry,thus all alcohol is at least several miles away, on hilly wooded roads.
Wimberly is dry?
I did not know that. How tragic.
Allow me to quote part of a recent comment bemoaning the creation of "pariah" classes, simply substitute tippling mommies for tobacco smokers:
[...] I don't have to tell you that the smoker-persecuting zeitgeist is strong, but it aggravates me that smokers have become such a handy pariah class for politicans to exploit for easy credit.
I recognize that people who've experienced personal tragedy with smoking-related health issues have a right to bitterly oppose tobacco and wish it were prohibited and utterly expunged from the world. But even though I've never smoked tobacco, I can't abide that superficial, finger-wagging self-righteous knee-jerk abhorrence-- like the "Seinfeld" episode where Elaine lectures the pregnant smoker... "But with all that we now know..." To borrow a phrase from Melville, I think: "Here is a delicious self-approval, cheaply purchased."
Piety is more lethal to me than secondhand smoke, that's for sure. And now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
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It's unfortunate that the concept of "libertarianism" has been hijacked and degraded by would-be fiscal conservatives, because I think there's a useful principle that applies to more than brownshirts who enjoy recreational drugs.
What I find most irritating about these issues is how attractive they are to a certain kind of nanny-state-loving politician, especially local Democratic pols like this dipwad who wants to abolish incandescent light bulbs in favor of those compact fluorescent jobs. (I've loathed fluorescent light after a lifetime of working in soul-sucking, windowless, fluorescent-lit dungeons, and I resent having the home version shoved up my fundamental orifice.)
The pol can come across as people-friendly and attract nascent Green support-- and, as noted, the sheeple among us readily approve laws that purport to improve quality of life. It gives me the fan-tods to think that citizens would rather have nannypols make choices about alleged mundane "risks". And it allows politicians to sidestep more profound and important issues, e.g. social and economic justice, which might require challenging their corporate masters.
driftglass: That 1973 date sounds like my son's dissertation at college. Something changed at that time, but I forget what.
Tequila and cola just don't seem to go.
Worst drinks:
Scotch and tonic sucks
so what fi we dont get it the british will ... we'll kick their limey asses again and make it an inclusive nation for which we've drawn up this very articulate and earsntwhile document that we intend to live by
Wait a minute, Christine. You are a limey. Remember?
"For Womb the Bell Tolls"
Morning, all.
So I've been out of the loop for the better part of a day -- did Olbermann do anything out of the ordinary to piss the wingnuts off? I caught the tail end of a rant on Mark Levin's psychotic radio show that sort of suggested he might have....
"While there is no single definition of school readiness, experts agree that readiness is a multifaceted concept that goes beyond academic and cognitive skills to include physical, social, and emotional development, as well as approaches to learning."
* Poverty has been shown to be particularly detrimental in early childhood in terms of children’s subsequent educational and other life course outcomes. In 2003, 4.7 million children under age 6 lived in families with income below the poverty line (defined as $18,660 for a family of four or $14,824 for a family of three, each with two children). While the poverty rate is 20 percent overall for children under 6, the rate is 53 percent among children that age living in a female-headed household, 39 percent for African-American children, and 32 percent for Latino children.
* Research has demonstrated that neighborhoods of concentrated poverty (typically defined as those with a poverty rate exceeding 20 percent) provide more limited opportunities for young children in terms of social interaction, positive role models, and other resources, such as quality child care, health facilities, parks, and playgrounds, that are important for healthy child development. Data from the 2000 Census reveal that 22 percent of children under 5 live in neighborhoods of concentrated poverty.
* Healthy child development is supported by regular access to health care, such as well-child visits. These visits can provide opportunities for health care providers to conduct developmental screenings and to encourage parental behaviors that promote strong social, emotional, cognitive, and physical child development. Nevertheless, among children less than 2 years old in 2002, 12 percent had not had a well-child checkup in the last year. That fraction rises to 16 percent among children ages 2 to 3 and 18 percent among those ages 4 to 5.
* Early home literacy-building activities that are associated with better school performance in kindergarten and beyond include reading to a child regularly (3 or more times a week); teaching children letters, words, and numbers; and telling stories or teaching songs and music. Among children ages 3 to 5 in 2001, 16 percent are not read to regularly at home. Among children whose mothers have less than a high school education, that fraction rises to 31 percent, compared with just 7 percent for children whose mothers have a college degree.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/researc...144/
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If only I had a blog...
driftglass
I have a blog! (Well, for a week, anyway.)
Last week I enjoyed several tequilas w/ Diet Dr. Pepper
virgotex
O my fucking god!
O O O O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After working ouside on a hot day...hell, WHILE working outside on a hot day...
Well, a few years ago I was boozing up while gardening, and nearly cut off a finger while at it. Now I wait til I'm done. I go sit on a rock, watch my crops go up and the sun go down, down a few G&Ts. It's about the best thing in life, I'd say.
Mlle probably was too canny for nonsense, considering her mom and all.
Listen, all five or six year olds, no matter how smart, babble nonsense.
They wanna tell you about their truck, or their dolly or just something that popped in their little heads.
You wouldn't want kids seeing their parents responsibly using drugs and alcohol. They might get the wrong message.
Moe Szyslak | 02.03.07 - 11:10 am
So when my father made wine, and let me taste said wine, he was a bad dad? (snark)
Or the time I was 12 and we went to Benihana, and mom and dad let me have some saki. Bad parents!
Is that the one by Atul Gawande? That guy is a great writer.
Yup. He's very good. I finished it this morning. I felt like I learned a lot, but if I were woman thinking of having kids, I think there would a little of an "oh, shit" factor.
likely occurrence that a strange man might come to the door...
"Let me demonstrate the sucking power of this new vacuum cleaner."
Ya, so kids are less prepared for school today and I did supply the numbers.
Why would you mix tequila with anything? Makes no damn sense.
One New Years when I was in my 20s, I decided I wouldn't get a hangover if I drank Scotch and milk.
Don't ever do that.
who's kidding who ... a little peyote and you dont really need fossil fuel for anthing ... gives yah more time to ride these new contraptions the spanish brought with 'em called horses
"the town where I live (Wimberley) is dry,thus all alcohol is at least several miles away, on hilly wooded roads."
It's dry here too. The river was dammed several years ago and we haven't had rainfall in weeks.
4Legs--it wasn't even that it was all nonsense. It was just that I never felt kids had to be present all the time. They're quite capable of amusing themselves.
Kids loved coming to my house because I'd leave them the fuck alone and just periodically check to make sure no one died.
Buckeye-- my comment was said in irony, or so I thought.
Bush speaking at the Democratic Retreat.
Res Ipsa Loquitur is the "Eve Harrington" of bloggers.
Scotch and tonic sucks
Irving R. Feldman
Right up there with Pepto Bismol and Jim Beam.
[Cape Fear]
I have a blog! (Well, for a week, anyway.)
You should have one anyway.
Then you can link to my adorable kitten pictures when the baby comes home.
grant it they arent Segways but then... WTF!
Its a Wombderful Life
Lots of walking wombded on here today.
left rev
I wombder why?
Irving R. Feldman
Depends on womb you ask.
It doesn't pay to be ovary inquisitive about such matters.
hat 1973 date sounds like my son's dissertation at college. Something changed at that time, but I forget what.
Cancelling Bretton Woods? (Although that was in '71)
"having an evening of work tales, political ranting, and sheer adult silliness--instead we had a 10 year old who dominated every conversation."
Strange, usually when I end up in a dinner or a visit like that, I end up having the better conversation with the kid.
The big right wing concern with stay at home mom's drinking isn't that one of the kids might get hurt and have to go to the hospital, which almost never happens, but the much more likely occurrence that a strange man might come to the door...
Hmm, wonder if ther's any statistics about how likely that Mom had had a few the night she had a Right Wing Concerner make her a mommy?
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Moe:
GT's are about the only mixed drink I'll go for. Not much for cocktails.
And,to be fair...
I tokk a little teenie bit off the end of my thumb 'tother night, slicing 'shrooms for salad.
Very bad day at work, and a few too many brewskis.
Occasionally mangling the english language?
What an asshole.
Think I'll have a couple of shots this morning before I go to the kid's basketball game. I keep score, outta be good.
Terrible news from Iraq.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- A suicide truck bomber struck a market in a predominantly Shiite area of Baghdad on Saturday, killing at least 102 people among the crowd buying food for evening meals, the biggest strike in the capital in more than two months.
http://tinyurl.com/2go2v5
It is little known that June Cleaver and Donna Reed were totally blotto in every episode.
It was a bit more obvious with Granny Clampett.
I usually do vodka and milk of magnesia
My all time worst drink contribution
Anchovi Daiquiri
Have a nice day
4Legs--it wasn't even that it was all nonsense. It was just that I never felt kids had to be present all the time. They're quite capable of amusing themselves.
Kids loved coming to my house because I'd leave them the fuck alone and just periodically check to make sure no one died.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Ditto. One of my four year old's friends is watched so carefully that she gets nervous at our house because I don't stya in the room with them while they play. I'm usually out wasting my time on some blog.
pillips screwdriver
first truth: most people (men and women) that have children should never have had them because they are wholly too immature, selfish, and incompetent to have them. As we know, children grow-up no matter how shitty the job the parents do. But there is nothing to do about this. (SUCCESSFULLY raising children is completely different from raising children.)
second truth: for the most part, if parents are not physically harming/abusing their children, how parents raise their children is nobody's damn business except the parents. In other words, if a mom wants to drink in a non-debilitating responsible way while the kiddies play: MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. More often than not peer pressure keeps this from being a problem.
third truth: any drunk parent (woman or man) is a problem for the children both for safety and mental health. Friends and the state need to do what they can to get them help.
Fourth truth: exposés that smear a wide swath of hardworking, dedicated moms is not something that helps anyone.
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One New Years when I was in my 20s, I decided I wouldn't get a hangover if I drank Scotch and milk.
Don't ever do that
I bet that wasn't fun to clean up
And, no, it wasn,t supposed to be a Chef's Salad.
Purely serendipitous.
But women give other women no end of shit. I know, because I've given (and received) a fair amount of it. Trying to be more conscious of this.
res ipsa loquitur
When I had my daughter in 1981, I had that problem. My mom and sister meant well, but I feel like I was being told I didn't have a clue.
Plus the fact that I went back to work when the baby was six weeks old (had no choice) and people were trying to make me feel guilty about that.
Bad Art,
Oil shock and recession.
IMHO, the nuclear family is inherently structrually unstable. Can exist only in a very rarified economic ecosystem. When that system breaks, the nuclear family starts to shatter.
I have a blog! (Well, for a week, anyway.)
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 02.03.07 - 11:31 am | #
Whoa!
I'll go look!
Buckeye-- my comment was said in irony, or so I thought.
Moe Szyslak | 02.03.07 - 11:33 am | #
Oh, I knew that. I'm grateful that my parents knew that introducing me to alcohol (in a controlled environment) wasn't a bad thing. I learned to drink moderately, to appreciate the vino.
Glenn the Moron sheets
I can't stand it if I'm with friends who have children who constantly let the children interrupt the adults with their nonsense.
fourlegsgood
fairly drips with irony
They wanna tell you about their truck, or their dolly or just something that popped in their little heads.
fourlegsgood
yeah, but I refer more to timing of babble. Instilled respect should/must be accomplished by 4-5, or is that what we use the schools to do for us these days. Perhaps it goes back to the dual-incomes and crappy daycares.
Culture of Truth,
He wrote this NYer thing once about inserting a catheter into someone's heart. I was reading it on the subway and the guy across from me said, "What are you reading? You look like you are going to be sick." And I was. I was so impressed by his writing that I wrote him a fan letter. And get this -- he wrote me back! Nice guy.
4Legs--it wasn't even that it was all nonsense. It was just that I never felt kids had to be present all the time. They're quite capable of amusing themselves.
Kids loved coming to my house because I'd leave them the fuck alone and just periodically check to make sure no one died.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Well, yeah. That's sensible.
But you know what I'm talking about, the parents who thing every utterance of their children should go into the federal register and that everything should stop to listen to them babble.
Fucking annoying.
I'm with Moe re: philosophy of drinking.
In fact, the personal philosophy regarding the perfect martini is that the vermouth is mostly optional. (Assuming you are using good vodka.)
A good squeeze of lemon or lime is sometimes added, though, I'll admit to that.
Philip Larkin - This Be The Verse
They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.
But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.
EkCenTrik--when I'm at family gatherings, I always head for the kids' table. But when I'm out with adult friends, I really would like some grownup time.
Gotta travel, folks.
Enjoy.
One New Years when I was in my 20s, I decided I wouldn't get a hangover if I drank Scotch and milk.
Don't ever do that.
tena, dear, you just lost my sponsorship for a McArthur Genius grant.
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Bush babbling about Democrat party, Pelosi's grandchildren, Florida hurricanes.
He's being nice but I do not like this man.
I have a blog! (Well, for a week, anyway.)
res ipsa loquitur
And fine blog it is. All leggy and tousled.
"You must literally be nuts to suggest that a parent (mother, specfically, natch) can't have a drink if children are under their care"
Because women are such weak creatures, they can't hold their liquor as well as a man can.
More sexist bullshit.
I bet that wasn't fun to clean up
virgotex
As I recall, I spent the next day and a half in bed wishing to die. Wishing really hard to die.
OK, I'm not quite gone.
Near Martini?
Take a shot of 110 proof vodka, chilled to bone-cracking, and hold it near a bottle of vermouth.
Ingest.
Gotta be good vodka.
parent of 3 in late teens
the 1st thing that comes to mind is that taking vows to things that you are totally unqualified to take vows to is a really really bad idea 9I remember getting married and saying things and wondering what it was that they wanted me to say and therefore know .... I didnt know anything but how to draw my ass back
Its a Wombderful Life
Ovary nice!
Terry C--it's another method of controlling women. Apparently, we're not supposed to have real lives.
In case of an emergency you can drive legally impaired in most states without suffering any legal consequences. That may change.
Aren't these the same folks who stress fear and obedience in children and not love and respect?
Who equate beating the shit out of kids with discipline?
And fine blog it is. All leggy and tousled.
driftglass
I just adore you.
Kids loved coming to my house because I'd leave them the fuck alone and just periodically check to make sure no one died.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
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I watched Interiors for the first ime last night and I was impressed by how the Diane Keaton charater handled her kid.
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How the hell can the entire lyrics of "Mother's Little Helper" post OK, and every song or verse I try to post slams into the SCROLL TROLL clothesline, even when I edit painstakingly to combine short lines and eliminate all but a few spaces/line breaks.
I disremember what the trick is to avoid exasperating trial-and-error. Still, I'm sure that if I tried to post those lyrics here (which I considered, since the song was playing in my head all thread), I'd have been blocked.
Take a shot of 110 proof vodka, chilled to bone-cracking, and hold it near a bottle of vermouth.
Ingest.
Gotta be good vodka.
Revenant |
Precisely.
I tokk a little teenie bit off the end of my thumb 'tother night, slicing 'shrooms for salad.
I have two or three numb spots at the tips of my digits from exactly the same thing.
In every case, I was inebriated. Not too smart to attempt to wield a French chef's knife in that state.
Okay, I had to turn chimpy off.
That was just too fucking annoying. I hate his fake accent.
Geek sheeps, folks.
Terry C--it's another method of controlling women. Apparently, we're not supposed to have real lives.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Oh, yeah - our lives should totally revolve around the house and the kids.
That whole self-sacrifice thing, which is bullshit.
Hey, if Mama ain't happy, ain't NOBODY happy!
billyb-- Mrs. Moe is big on scotch. I drink a little of it, but it's a riot watching her get drunk, so I try to leave it for her.
res ipsa,
That's really cool. I was in a bookstore the other day and noticed he has a book out. And he's a surgeon.
And Tom Lehrer said, it is people like this who make you realize how little you've accomplished.
I shouldn't get started on one of my rants about my friends and their kids, but why my friends decided that we had to drop whatever the fuck we were doing and give all our attention to their kids is something I'll never figure out.
Beer and wine sales up 25% abaove the usual Super Bowl increase here in Chicago. Don't expect a lot from anyone in Chicago on Monday.
That was just too fucking annoying. I hate his fake accent.
thank you.
I also hate that so many don't get that his texan shtick is so totally bogus.
I shouldn't get started on one of my rants about my friends and their kids, but why my friends decided that we had to drop whatever the fuck we were doing and give all our attention to their kids is something I'll never figure out.
Tena
If it doesn't involve blood, bone breakage, or unconsciousness-it can wait.
Well, folks, I'm approaching the end of my first week here in animal heaven, and the long and short of it is -- the place sucks. Totally fricking gay.
Who do I run into this morning but Francis the Talking Mule. A fag the biggest. All he wanted to talk about was how he had just given a midnight hummer to Trigger.
What a limp-fetlocked asshole.
But you know what I'm talking about, the parents who thing every utterance of their children should go into the federal register and that everything should stop to listen to them babble.
Fucking annoying.
fourlegsgood
Exceedingly fucking annoying, and I could have told them what the result was going to be, but they wouldn't have listened.
You know what's REALLY dangerous to the health and safety of children?
Ultra Orthodox Judaism.
I lived in Baltimore for a while, in an apartment in a house. The family downstairs were ultra orthodox (the husband was the president of the local Koch party chapter. How's that for ultra orthodox?) and one Saturday, I'm hearing rather more yelling and hollering for the young son, and at one point, the city ambulance shows up and take the kid and mother away.
Turns out, the kid cut himself badly.
Very badly. And no one in the family could dial 911, because using the phone on the Sabbath was an affront to God and God would get pissed off. The Liberal Jew next door, offered to drive them to the nearby hospital emergency room. They refused. Jews are not supposed to drive on the Sabbath, because driving a car on the Sabbath was an affront to God and God would get pissed off.
They did allow her to phone 911 on their behalf. I guess they'd rather have God get pissed off at the Liberal Jew, rather than get pissed off at them, for SAVING THE LIFE OF THEIR SON by pushing a few buttons on the phone.
So, by this single example, I have proved that Ultra Orthodox Judaism is dangerous to the health and wellbing of children and Something MUST BE DONE!
It's MILLER TIME!
I also hate that so many don't get that his texan shtick is so totally bogus.
virgotex
Yah, me too - he's so not a Texan. What's he doing on TV this morning?
I have proved that Ultra Orthodox Judaism is dangerous to the health and well-being of children and Something MUST BE DONE!
It's MILLER TIME!
Chris Tucker |
I hate fundies...I don't care if they are Christian fundies, Jewish fundies or Islamic fundies.
Gotta be good vodka.
Revenant
In blindfold tests, most people pick Smirnoff, not Grey Goose, Stoli, or Absolut. Vodka is odorless and tasteless, after all. I prefer the Polish vodka, (the Poles invented Vodka), made from potatos.
"It had a very sinister appearance,"
So does Dick Cheney.
[Massachusetts Attorney General Martha] Coakley told reporters. "It had a battery behind it, and wires."
So does Dick Cheney's heart.
Does this mean that we can get the Boston Bomb Squad to blow up Dick Cheney?
Chris Tucker
The exile of thumbs-up and LOL emoticons, a uncharacteristically unilateral decision, may be mined with the implied corollary that the more seditious complaints are made about this, the less the possibility of repeal. ["That's ten detentions!]" Thus is the will of the people thwarted. ["That's twenty detentions!]"
Anyhoo, this is funny as hell and I'm stealing it! multiple LOL/thumbs-up
Fathers, however, can drink all they like.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Isn't the patriarchy wonderful?
it's not so much Mommy's drinking, as the hanging around on the internet talking to make-believe friends, that get's to me....
Little Brøther, use it with my compliments. Spread it far and wide!
it's not so much Mommy's drinking, as the hanging around on the internet talking to make-believe friends, that get's to me....
abandoned child
Is that you, Auggy?
Alcohol and milk products do not mix in the Moe household. I like my booze straight up anyway-- never was big on any kind of cocktail.
Moe Szyslak
I expected nothing else from Clan Szyslak; the presence in the home of a "spit bucket" makes this a foregone conclusion.
But there's nothing wrong with punching up a nice glass of chocolate milk, or even a shake, with Amaretto or any number of liqueurs-- singly or blended.
For now, though, I'll just have a Flaming Moe. An FM Classique, if you please, not the Tipsy McStagger variety. Flamed, not fizzled.
"EkCenTrik--when I'm at family gatherings, I always head for the kids' table. But when I'm out with adult friends, I really would like some grownup time.
Sallyh"
Grown up talk is highly overrated. 
I don't know why, but I end up taking the hit in a social situation, keeping the kids preoccupied. They tend to gravitate towards me. Which is funny as hell to anyone who knows me. I have no kid experience to fall back on. Maybe I am the weakest link in the adult chain and I am doomed. And I don't mind except when it becomes clear there is something seriously wrong with the parents involved. There are some really sad kids out there.
Most locales have this service called an "ambulance". The people who drive them usually don't drink while on duty.
This assumes children incurring injuries that require rushing to the hospital is a common occurance, which is a fallacy to begin with.
This also assumes that the biggest obstacle to the safety and well-being of an injured child would be a drunken mother - rather than a closed emergency room requiring a lengthier "rush" to another hospital, or overcrowded emergency rooms requiring a lengthy 6 hour wait for treatment.
And you would assume that professional nurses will be present and available to provide that care, wouldn't you?
Are you aware that the 3 million nurses in the US haven't been consulted about their role in the event of a pandemic? And that since most nurses are women, heads of households or have family members they care for (children, parnets, disabled relatives), they may possibly be unavailable to be quarantined for long periods of time in hospitals and healthcare institutions?
Did you realize that nurses provide 95% of all healthcare services?
Taken nurses for granted lately?
Might want to learn more about nurses and nursing issues.
Professional nursing, empowered patients. Good health.
I hear you Atrios, but on the other hand, a parent who regularly drinks is pretty high on the list of bad shit that kids shouldn't have to deal with.
Well, my personal feeling is that this hits a nerve because we have some silly notion in this country that it's our god-given right to use drugs and alcohol-with or without kids around-and to hell with anyone who even mildly questions the practice!
Upthread someone even approvingly noted that they had pictures of female relatives drinking while pregnant. How can you possibly defend that when it's been shown time and time again to be dangerous to the fetus? Is your right to get shitfaced that important? (NOTE: Rhetorical question that the poster referenced has already clearly answered).
I grew up with a bunch of alcoholics, and I don't find any drunks the least bit amusing. So, yeah, call me a stupid puritan if you want. I don't go around calling out the drunks I know; hey, if they want to live their lives in oblivion, it's their choice. But to defend drinking as a harmless activity is to take a detour off the reality-based road. Oh, and one more thing. I don't know how much these moms actually drink -- and neither does anyone else here-- but I have noticed that even the heaviest drinkers always claim that they don't drink to excess--until they end up at AA or in court. So, I do tend to view the "I know my limits" argument with some suspicion.
"Many of my girlfriends have joked that when they have kids, they're going to instruct their little tykes, "Now fetch mommy a cocktail!"
The first phrase my friend's kids ever understood was "Get daddy a beer".
"My big pet peeves are the widespread belief in this society that:
a) it's your right to tell other people how to be parents"
Yeah, me too, Atrios. I mean, what's up with laws making kids go to school or get vaccinated? And who are we to tell parents how to teach their kids about the birds and the bees or to get all up in arms if a parent swats their kid?
Let every parent figure it out for themself. Yeah, that'll work.
As for your other pet peeve, you really clarified the issue for me. I mean, raising the question of whether or not parents should drink while taking care of their kids = expecting perfection. You sure simplified the definition of perfection for me. Thanks!
"Great Martini.
Godiva Chocolate Martini recipe."
Now see? Here's where this whole thing goes haywire.
There is no chocolate in a martini. Period.
Sounds like a good drink. Sounds sort of like a White Russian.
But a MARTINI? No way. Quit calling every drink made with vodka a "martini." Just because you serve it in a martini glass doesn't make it a martini.
Listen up children: a martini consists of gin, a few drops of vermouth, and an olive or two or three.
Lemon peel? No.
Vodka? Not really, tho if you must you can call it a "vodka martini." But you should really call it "vodka up."
A true martini is a drink of substance, where the few drops of vermouth and the flavor of the olives blends with the herbal bitterness of the gin.
If you don't like gin, don't order a martini.
Really, the ignorance of the drinking public...
"but I have noticed that even the heaviest drinkers always claim that they don't drink to excess--until they end up at AA or in court. So, I do tend to view the "I know my limits" argument with some suspicion.
justdrivingby"
and:
"mean, what's up with laws making kids go to school or get vaccinated? And who are we to tell parents how to teach their kids about the birds and the bees or to get all up in arms if a parent swats their kid?
Let every parent figure it out for themself. Yeah, that'll work."
Yikes, bitter-much there, driveby? My parents drank once a year, at our Christmas Eve dinner, usually a small bottle of Mogen David wine, and that didn't start until I was in High School. I got my first taste when I was around 14. In the intervening 30+ I've managed to not become an alcoholic, I've never wanted or needed to attend AA, and I've never been to court for any reason. And yet I enjoy an alcoholic beverage on occasion. Go figure...
As to the good parenting "laws", like any other well-meaning attempt to legislate morality, they are an abject failure. As a veteran educator I can provide you with many anecdotal stories as evidence, as well as reams of "official" research showing that bad stuff happens in the "best" families, homes, communities, etc., including alcoholism, abuse, and accidents. IT'S CALLED LIFE.
But wait, concern trolls never listen anyway, do they? As to the Today Show hit piece on drinkin' mommies, well, if a glass of Chardonnay keeps them from delving into ridiculous religious beliefs, idiotic conservative politics, or "I'm the cop of the universe and I'm watching YOU!" proclivities, then I am on board for donations of cases of wine to all new mommies, myself.
Ewww! That chocolatini recipe was a troll comment wasn't it? God intended martinis to be made with gin, and no funny stuff!
Martinis like Dad used to make 'em:
2 1/2 oz Beefeater's
1/2 oz dry vermouth
twist of lemon
Shake for 10 seconds, or if you prefer getting hammered faster, swirl gently and pour.
Some self-righteous prig wrote a letter to a parenting magazine about how she wouldn't let her daughter go to another girl's house because she smelled alcohol on the father's breath once. Now I brush my teeth before taking my dd to ballet so the other mums won't ostrasize us.
its always a women make bad moms analysis. where's the men make bad dads analysis (for those that even stick around); where's the consequences of all that violence, authoritarianism, and ambivalence? Oh, I forgot, that’s the republioservativefundamentalist model - what we all should be striving for.
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justdrivingby: don't ever come to Europe, then. Especially Bavaria. You'll be appalled.
I have seen pre-verbal toddlers in high-chairs get "ein gutes Schluck Weissn" (a good sip of wheat beer). The kids seem to like it. Legal purchase and consumption age for beer and wine is 16, but I saw loads of 14 and 15 year olds with liter mugs in their hands at my old village's annual "Kirwa" ("Kirchweih" - church festival). Of course, their parents and grandparents were a few tables over, glancing over every once in a while to make sure things weren't getting out of hand.
Ob/gyns around here instruct new mothers to have a small glass (about 8 oz) of beer in the evenings to make nursing easier.
Somehow, though, Bavarians manage to not be complete drunken sots, posting better driving records than Americans and high on-the-job productivity (but with absolutely astounding per-capita annual beer consumption). Their drunk-driving laws are stricter than ours and harshly enforced. .05, you don't drive if you value your driver's license and bank balance. If you get caught at .11 or above, you'll go through hell to get your license back. Repeat offenders can be barred from driving for LIFE.
Thank you Atrios!
I used to get looks at the playground because I would read The New Yorker while sitting on the edge of the sandbox. Instead of, I guess, watching my daughter dig a hole for an hour, in case a large bird tried to make off with her or something.
So, Texan, is that a quarterpound Lassieburger I see in your hands? Because, you know, they eat dogs in Korea (or wherever the hell it is); so, let's forget the cultural context of any particular practice and say that whatever works in any country is appropriate for here.
I have three kids, two daughters aged 2 and 3. A beautiful son, 9 months.
I am drinking right now.
I also drive an ambulance for a living.
I will say the following in regards to upthread comments:
If you have more than one child, and one or more in diapers, if you aren't having AT LEAST a couple of drinks in the late afternoon/early evening, you are only cheating yourself. I learned to make my mom a killer G+T at around ten or so, and my Gram spoke fondly of getting her four kids down for naps and sitting on her porch drinking lemonade and gin.
And, as a Paramedic (ambulance attendant/driver), we are available 24/7, we are frequently sober at work, and we will alwayd take good care of you and/or your kids if they are hurt and you are too tipsy to drive.
Erik
"Mommy likes Tanqueray 10."
whoop
Really? My problem is that you are NOT allowed in this society to correct bad parents. Somehow having a child, a feat that most any organism on the planet achieves without any sentient thought at all, instills parents with all the wisdom needed to make a person a worthwhile member of society, giving back at least as much as they take out. Parenting is sacrosanct, and pretty much anything short of teaching your child to shoot at passing strangers is ok.
One really stupid mainstream media story unfortunately is no counter to the thousands of times a day a good parent sees a really bad parent hurt their child in some way and says nothing.
It is my right to tell you that you suck and your child is a brat if/when he/she runs into me while I am in a store/coffee shop. Feel free to do the same if one of mine slams into when you are picking up your double latte.
Aren't you being too broad with A?
I feel totally comfortable with telling parents not to be abusive, since our law enforcement system doesn't consider violence against children to be a crime.
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