I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Good morning.
it lives!
and posts!
Not first!
Yeah, but what about Gerstein?
http://www.rawstory.com/news/
200...ggers_0209.html
'Barack' actually means "President", Obama reveals.
Not even 3rd....
ror
Great - love to see you
And like magic, Molly's threat to open a thread works!
"They say" that Mike Allen pro'ly moves his lips when he reads.
Did everyone see 4legsgood's new kitty? There are kitten pix up at her site. Such a cutie!
I agree, Mike, stop. writing. forever.
Oh, and Anna Nicole is alive! They say she has been spotted in Vegas with Elvis.
'Blunders and War Powers ' at the homepage. Hint: they don't go together. Remove.
A Princeton Lab on ESP Plans to Close Its Doors
I knew that was going to happen
I saw Mike Allen on Hardball once, and he kept calling Chris Matthews "sir."
And like magic, Molly's threat to open a thread works!
Well, I failed, but I made Atrios some coffee.
I don't get it, is Obama too black or too Muslim or both?
Oh, and Anna Nicole is alive! They say she has been spotted in Vegas with Elvis.
Are they both in their Fat Phase?
Oh, come on; let's do what Dinettes says -- stop doing all the stuff Muslims don't like and surrender to the terraists!
/snark
Molly! 100 what a day? Er, maybe I don't wanna know?
I don't get it, is Obama too black or too Muslim or both?
Yes.
Molly! 100 what a day? Er, maybe I don't wanna know?
Heh. Hits on my blog.
These people have to be possessed by some kind of demon to write this slime.
Well, I failed, but I made Atrios some coffee.
Molly Ivors, 100 a day! | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 8:49 am | #
Bring me an eclair!
Did you see the wife of the TrimSpa dude saying Anna really dint like female wrestler Chyna? It got ugly.
I don't get it, is Obama too black or too Muslim or both?
He's too Hussein/Osama, is what I hear.
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Are they both in their Fat Phase?
Nah, they're looking good and successfully dodging those who would take photos of them in their body bags. :P
Bring me an eclair!
True: the 7YO made himself some of those mini-eclairs last night, then decided to go to bed. There was a plate of them by the computer whern I got up this morning.
Obama announcing he's quitting smoking today, obviously a ploy to pander to the lung cancer victim sector.
Morning Molly!!!
Obama announcing he's quitting smoking today, obviously a ploy to pander to the lung cancer victim sector.
Those damn pandering multi-ethnic philanderers.
Tucker pushes Nicorette alla time on his "show".
So he's still a nicotine addict, now he just chews it.
Real news; (from below)
'experts say terror threat to SMU real' is headlines in DMNews. oh, go for it.
(((UNE!!)))
Actually I don't believe he ever smoked, a double lie to pander to both working class smokers and healthy living liberals. And "they say" that Obama had a fondess for the white stuff and perhaps even the needle.
Obama's mortal sin may have been that he was not sufficiently deferential to the Mighty Mike Allen a few days earlier:
Reporters were barred – a somewhat unusual, although not unheard of, policy for a meet-and-greet-type event in a public place like a hotel. The White House, which keeps fairly strict control of the press, typically allows reporters into large receptions in a hotel, at least while President Bush is speaking, although it closes fund-raisers at residences. The Senator came, and an aide said he was “mostly just going to speak his mind.” That included a closing line that got a good laugh from the supportive crowd.
As Obama left the hotel reception, smiling and saying, “Thank you AGAIN,” I introduced myself and said, “Good evening, Senator, may I walk with you?” He replied, “You can walk with me. That doesn’t mean you can ask questions.” I chuckled, thinking he was kidding. “But you can certainly walk with me,” he added. The Senator then underscored, “I’m sorry. I’m not answering questions.”
If Obama were "really black" we might have to call such behavior "uppity."
I haven't even had my coffee yet, and we're already wanking?
So he's still a nicotine addict, now he just chews it.
I picture him like Krusty, covering his skin with them and licking the patches.
Is anyone else seeing a Catholic League ad that "Condoms don't save lives!" right smack on the front page? (Yes, I know Atrios doesn't control the ads. It just seems weird.)
The proposed Shrub Lieberry is the biggest threat to SMU, imo.
shinypenny,
Click it.
Atrios DOES control that ad -- it was explained yestiddy.
Whatever its origins, the exotic, multicultural name – so open to interpretation that some Irish folks he ran into assumed “O’Bama” must be one of theirs
I think we have it, He's just too...........Irish.
Chameleons running for office.....just ain't right.
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Sheesh. Damn coffee, singing to me from the pot!
Is anyone else seeing a Catholic League ad that "Condoms don't save lives!" right smack on the front page? (Yes, I know Atrios doesn't control the ads. It just seems weird.)
[bangs head on watertiger's desk]
I still think we should give Molly credit for the new threads.
That said, I am willing to be grateful to Atrios as well. My dial-up gerbils showed their teeth when I attempted to refresh the mega late night thread.
The front page ad is a joke -- pointing out what the Catholic League is really all about.
good thing he didn't stick with Barry (bury) Obama
Responding to complaints about conditions at the nation’s main family detention center for illegal immigrants, officials threw open the gates on Friday for a first news media tour.
They portrayed the privately run converted prison, open since May, as a model facility “primarily focused on the safety of the children.”
Once all the barbed wire comes down, Gary Mead, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement official, said, “it’s going to look more like a community college with a very high chain-link fence.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/1...r=1&
oref=slogin
Bwahahaha!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070...m/
russia_usa_dc
MUNICH, Germany (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin sharply criticized the United States and its Western allies on Saturday for what he said was an attempt to force their will on the world.
"What is a unipolar world? No matter how we beautify this term it means one single center of power, one single center of force and one single master," Putin said.
"It has nothing in common with democracy because that is the opinion of the majority taking into account the minority opinion. People are always teaching us democracy but the people who teach us democracy don't want to learn it themselves."
"This is very dangerous. Nobody feels secure any more because nobody can hide behind international law," he said.
I haven't even had my coffee yet, and we're already wanking?
NTodd, Sex Panther | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 8:55 am | #
Why should today be unlike every other day of your life?
I am glad he ditched "Barry," myself.
Is anyone else seeing a Catholic League ad that "Condoms don't save lives!" right smack on the front page? (Yes, I know Atrios doesn't control the ads. It just seems weird.)
shinypenny
If we had a dallor for every time someone has said anything about that ad we would all be rich.
Whenever I see this Mike Allen's name in a byline, I automatically figure he's going to be telling a bunch of whoppers.
His breathless reporting on Dear leader is stomach-turning.
I haven't even had my coffee yet, and we're already wanking?
NTodd, Sex Panther | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 8:55 am | #
It's important to start the day with a clean slate. And clean pipes.
Takes one to know one, Pootie-Poot!
Why should today be unlike every other day of your life?
I'm a Seventh Day Adventist Wanker. Today should be a day of rest.
I picture him like Krusty, covering his skin with them and licking the patches.
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At a farewell reception at Blair House for the retiring chief of protocol, Don Ensenat, who was President Bush's Yale roommate, the president shook hands with Washington Life Magazine's Soroush Shehabi. A grandson of one of the late Shah's ministers, Soroush said, "Mr. President, I simply want to say one U.S. bomb on Iran and the regime will remain in power for another 20 or 30 years and 70 million Iranians will become radicalized."
"I know," President Bush answered.
"But does Vice President Cheney know?" asked Soroush.
The president chuckled and walked away.
http://www.upi.com/International...08-100038-
4021r
That's why SMU is threatened dear heart. Having laid waste to much of the M.E. certain SMU'ers think there might be a bit of an effort to give some back. On their lawn.
Mike Allen shares a name with a convicted spy.
What does this mean?
Absolutely nothing.
If we had a dallor for every time someone has said anything about that ad we would all be rich.
This has been hilarious.
I still want the little green terrorist back though.
It's important to start the day with a clean slate. And clean pipes.
Molly Ivors, 100 a day! | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 8:59 am | #
And Thers's snores are momentarily interrupted, as he grunts and turns over onto his side, never knowing why...
Catholic League ad (here's your dollar John JS)
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A nice touch reminding us why we're hopping mad much of the time
good morning, mon cher batzers...
apart from mike allen (who? and who cares?) is all pretty much as we left it yestiddy (fucked up beyond any recognition)?
Thanks wtfwjd. I appreciate the explanation to the newbie.
'My dial-up gerbils showed their teeth when I attempted to refresh the mega late night thread.
Diane C. Barking-Mad '
Did you pull them??
Good morning. The word of the day is Feith based . . .
Dog having nightmare, sleep yelping.
I'm a Seventh Day Adventist Wanker. Today should be a day of rest.
NTodd, Sex Panther | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 8:59 am | #
In the words of the Most Holiest Prophet of Wankery: Sabbath, Schmabbath.
is all pretty much as we left it yestiddy (fucked up beyond any recognition)?
Woody, I still recognize pieces and parts here and there.
The word of the day is Feith based . .
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and ends, in the case of said individual above, in uck
Oh jeez. Here we go again, with Michael Gordon transcibing the lies of the Bush administration.
Are you ready for another war?
WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 — The most lethal weapon directed against American troops in Iraq is an explosive-packed cylinder that United States intelligence asserts is being supplied by Iran.
The assertion of an Iranian role in supplying the device to Shiite militias reflects broad agreement among American intelligence agencies, although officials acknowledge that the picture is not entirely complete.
"This is very dangerous. Nobody feels secure any more because nobody can hide behind international law," he said.
So now we're getting lessons on democracy from Russia. Good grief.
Wonder what our Rissian specialist in the State Dept. thinks about that?
"Mr. President, I simply want to say one U.S. bomb on Iran and the regime will remain in power for another 20 or 30 years and 70 million Iranians will become radicalized."
"I know," President Bush answered.
"But does Vice President Cheney know?" asked Soroush.
The president chuckled and walked away.
Jeebus X.
Within four days we will be at war with Iran, and occupying a civil war............brilliant!
"nobody cn hide behind international law"?
Jesus fuck.
"Russian women have boss coats and boots."
“With a couple of pinpricks here and there, the whole thing could fall apart.”...
Like Gingrich's Brobdingnagian head.
'good thing he didn't stick with Barry (bury) Obama
el'
However, it risks being spit on a lot if said properly.
Actually the most lethal weapon directed against American troops is the neocon agenda backed by the owned corporate media.
Did you pull them??
Ruth
Nope, I know better to mess with other critters' teeth.
I think a little blog swarming on Mr. Allen's riff on Barack Obama's name is the right antidote.
Mean-spirited and cowardly little twerp, isn't he?
The assertion is a lie and everyone knows it.
I don't get it, is Obama too black or too Muslim or both?
He's too Hussein/Osama, is what I hear.
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UNE_InarticulateShiftlessLazy™
I thought he was too articulate and clean. I can't keep up.
In the words of the Most Holiest Prophet of Wankery: Sabbath, Schmabbath.
Well then I should go do God's Will and Polish My Holy Knob. BRB.
reflects broad agreement among American intelligence agencies
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Dear NYT,
could you kindly list those agencies reflecting broad agreement? Thank you, and I would also like to commend you for removing those nasty pop up surveys I complained about yesterday.
The most lethal weapon directed against American troops in Iraq is an explosive-packed cylinder that United States intelligence asserts is being supplied by Iran.
How close was that site filled with super-high explosives that we left ungarded in the aftermath of invasion, to iran??
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The assertion is a lie and everyone knows it.
Exactly!!!!!
And they know we know it.
This is crazy.
Obama's getting his turn 'cause last week was "Torpedo Edwards" Week.
American intelligence agencies is a contrdiction in terms.
How many times in one's life does one get to use the word "Brobdingnagian?"
Obama's getting his turn 'cause last week was "Torpedo Edwards" Week.
plantsman, lowercase
All a part of the master plan of ensuring that Hillary gets the nod.
Yes, they know we know it's a lie but they also know that a lie repeaeted often eough by talking heads gains legitimacy and many people fall for it. Later it can be blamed on faulty intelligence . . .
Obama's getting his turn 'cause last week was "Torpedo Edwards" Week.
Then Hillary, and then who?
VHow many times in one's life does one get to use the word "Brobdingnagian?"
I have not yet had the opportunity.
awiiight, Nother cuppa.
Well then I should go do God's Will and Polish My Holy Knob. BRB.
NTodd, Sex Panther
Don't bash the bishop, or you'll make Baby Jesus cry.
How close was that site filled with super-high explosives that we left ungarded in the aftermath of invasion, to iran??
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the devices are stamped with "Iran, 2006"...or so the story goes
How many times in one's life does one get to use the word "Brobdingnagian?"
How many times in one's life does one get to use the word "Brobdingnagian?"
Not as often as Lilliputian.
It's important to start the day with a clean slate. And clean pipes.
Molly Ivors
Explain this to Mr. QL please.
Then Hillary, and then who?
Molly Ivors
Gore?
"Russian women have boss coats and boots."
plantsman, lowercase
http://thumbsnap.com/v/bJ7yToQI.jpg
Well the *boss* coat is missing.
Then Hillary, and then who?
Certainly no one with an R after his name.
I'm glad our local bourgoise rag now allows commentary on opinions and letters as well as some articles. That and coffee make energize my mornings. Feel free to join in . . .
'Mean-spirited and cowardly little twerp, isn't he?
Diane C. Barking-Mad'
Much too generous.
["My name is SUE how do you DO?'}
Have a good day all, off in search of food!
although officials acknowledge that the picture is not entirely complete.
I think it was on C&L that I saw that some former intelligence comunity member suggested that the press should take the new revelations with several heapings of salt.
Gulf of Tomkin part two in 5. 4. 3. 2. 1...............
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What is with the popularity of the Clark Vice Presidency?
Then Hillary, and then who?
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Any guesses on who will be the stealth 3rd party candidate to siphon away votes from any of the above?
"Brobdingnagian" = Parade balloon.
How many times in one's life does one get to use the word "Brobdingnagian?"
how oiften are uou expectations massively EXCEEDED?
Bushevik outrages in Iraq have reached Brobdignagian proportions...
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What is with the popularity of the Clark Vice Presidency?
________
a sober candidate with no jive? served his time? name has a nice strong ring to it?
the devices are stamped with "Iran, 2006"...or so the story goes
natch.
Morning QL!!
'Yes, they know we know it's a lie but they also know that a lie repeaeted often eough by talking heads gains legitimacy and many people fall for it. Later it can be blamed on faulty intelligence . . .
Jaded Prole '
The Plan! how did you get hold of it?
So apparently a word can be adopted and mean the same thing in multiple languages. Who knew?
Atrios' point yesterday was spot on. The attacks are going to keep on coming and anyone even thinking of running for pres better be prepared.
What is with the popularity of the Clark Vice Presidency?
1. Smart
2> Opposes the War
3. Supports the Dem platform
4. Impeccable military credentials
5. What McCain only wishes he were
Shall I go on?
Wayne Newton?
Wow! Is this a hoax?
Mmm...waffle cone pieces...
So apparently a word can be adopted and mean the same thing in multiple languages. Who knew?
How quaint.
Obama's getting his turn 'cause last week was "Torpedo Edwards" Week.
I bet Biden really upset the master plan when he pulled his own rug out. Imagine all those resources and carefully planned hairplug jabs being set up for nothing.
"Iraq War Vet Files Papers to Recall McCain
I've just heard from a source that there is an effort in place to recall John McCain in Arizona. The papers have been filed by an Iraq war veteran in Phoenix. His name is Leonard Clark and he refers to himself as "that damn liberal."
I also hear he is not just messing around, but deadly serious about getting "his comrades" safely out of a war that is "John McCain's attempt to fight Vietnam over again." I will be contacting him and updating you.
Will it go anywhere? We don't know yet. But I am told a signature-gathering effort is now set to begin."
http://cliffschecter.blogspot.com/
I hate that "3rd party candidate to siphon away votes" bit. It is pure DLC propaganda and if you buy it, then you buy that we are stuck whith only the preselected canditates. In other words, the electoral process is a sham and isn't worth bothering with. We have to be able to run alternative candidates if we are handed crap. Say the Dems run Hillary and Joe and the repugs run Guiliani ahd Browshirt. You stuck with that or can we run an alternative? Remember, Teddy Roosevelt was an alternative candidate. We must preserve that option.
Morning UNE.
1. Smart
2> Opposes the War
3. Supports the Dem platform
4. Impeccable military credentials
5. What McCain only wishes he were
Shall I go on?
Molly Ivors, 100 a day!
My point is, why not President Clark?
So apparently a word can be adopted and mean the same thing in multiple languages. Who knew?
Linguists. Call them 'cognates', I b'lieve.
The attacks are going to keep on coming and anyone even thinking of running for pres better be prepared.
And have a ready supply of chairs on hand for the beatdowns that will be neccessary if the republic (tee hee) is to survive.
WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 — The most lethal weapon directed against American troops in Iraq is an explosive-packed cylinder that United States intelligence asserts is being supplied by Iran.
Explosive packed cylinder?
Could be a firecracker, could it not?
'morning
Drive-by cite to note the closure of a Princeton laboratory trying to demonstrate ESP's existence. All it would take would be one weak, pitiful yet verifiable demonstration to win Randi's millions. Gotta be in the skeptical camp on this one...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/
1...artner=homepage
My point is, why not President Clark?
Becuase he doesn't really preent an alternative. I'll pass . . .
So apparently a word can be adopted and mean the same thing in multiple languages. Who knew?
Karin
Signs can mean different things, though. If you give the "thumbs-up" sign in Poland, you might get the shit kicked out of you.
I hate that "3rd party candidate to siphon away votes" bit. It is pure DLC propaganda and if you buy it, then you buy that we are stuck whith only the preselected
See: NADER, Ralph, 2000.
My point is, why not President Clark?
I expect that, since Clark isn't in government service right now, that's seen as a negative.
Of course, neither is Edwards, so I guess I really don't have an answer.
So apparently a word can be adopted and mean the same thing in multiple languages. Who knew?
That's stupid. People should just learn English, the only Pure Language that has never been influenced by dirty outside people. If it was good enough for Jesus...
What?!
The Corner at the National Review Online reports that at a Republican luncheon yesterday White House adviser Karl Rove was overheard explaining the Bush amnesty immigration plan by saying, "I don't want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas."
I'd like to throw a few rotten tomatoes at you, Karl.
Linguists. Call them 'cognates', I b'lieve.
Yup.
I have Sparklers of Mass Destruction.
/snark
Honorable Mention Wanker:
Deadliest Bomb in Iraq Is Made by Iran, U.S. Says
By Michael Gordon (NYT)
... In interviews, [unnamed] civilian and military officials from a broad range of government agencies provided specific details to support what until now has been a more generally worded claim, in a new National Intelligence Estimate, that Iran is providing "lethal support" to Shiite militants in Iraq.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/1.../
10weapons.html
Michael Gordon is one of the go-to people at the NYT when you need a quick and dirty causus belli for pre-emptively invading another country.
"I don't want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas."
He could get a Tastee Freeze franchise...
Good morning, beloved moonbats.
Tavis Smiley's State of Black America is on C-Span now. (More stuff to think about...no wonder my head hurts most of the time.)
Doesn't matter who the Dem nominee is, he/she has my vote, my labor and my money.
(Unless he/she is anti-choice and pro-war)
Molly, I'm not sure it's a hoax. I'd buy ice cream with waffle cone pieces in it.
My point is, why not President Clark?
when clinton won, i knew he would be GOP-lite...and with NAFTA and GATT and a few other laws that he enacted, he wasn't the most progressive kid on the block...Clark would be the same - i certainly don't see a military-hawk sending a nod to anti-war hippies...so grain of salt
"Cognates" means testicles in Russian.
I don't have the answer either. I just thought it was interesting. I like Clark.
"Explosive packed cylinder?
Could be a firecracker, could it not?
Doug "
could be my intestines...
At a farewell reception at Blair House for the retiring chief of protocol, Don Ensenat, who was President Bush's Yale roommate, the president shook hands with Washington Life Magazine's Soroush Shehabi. A grandson of one of the late Shah's ministers, Soroush said, "Mr. President, I simply want to say one U.S. bomb on Iran and the regime will remain in power for another 20 or 30 years and 70 million Iranians will become radicalized."
"I know," President Bush answered.
"But does Vice President Cheney know?" asked Soroush.
The president chuckled and walked away.
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If this is true, well, that sounds like a high crime and/or misdemeanor to me.
See: NADER, Ralph, 2000
You see him. In spite of "Jews for Buchannon" and votes tossed from several black districts, Gore still had more votes. The Dems want to blame Nader but it's a lie. It was a stolen election and Gore didn't have the balls to fight it. Next time (and every time) you repeat that lie, kick youself in the ankle because that's exactly what you are doing anyway. We do not have to settle for candidtaes pre-selected in the back rooms of the corporate partys. Alternative cnadidates bring reality to the dabates and if your vote for 'em, they might even win. At very least they put pressure on the Dems not to run crap candidates.
JProle,
In the real world we are stuck with a conundrum of lesser evil voting.......but feel free to vote for nader as a president guliani could in no way shape or form be worse than Hillary.
Mayhaps we get a chance to get some shit fixed up, unlisting the ship of state as it were..........
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The media, even today, will do its best to hobble the candidacies of EVERY major Party Contender, they've established a patteren.
Psychologically speaking, I think McCain really doesn't 'get' that Americans have rejected the war in Iraq and just want to get out. He was a POW during the years when America was going through its 5 stages of loss over Vietnam, so this is *not* a deju vu to him. He's never seen it before.
Don't concede powerlessness in advance. The possiblitity of alternatives gives us power.
What is the Cable News networks love affair with the ANS story?
Jesus, why don't they just post all her playboy pictures on their shows and get it over with.
WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 — The most lethal weapon directed against American troops in Iraq is an explosive-packed cylinder that United States intelligence ASSERTS is being supplied by Iran.
Is this the same "intelligence" that got us into this fucking mess in the first place?
So we go in for explosive packed cylinders and stay for the "freedom on the march, building school thing"?
"Will it go anywhere? We don't know yet. But I am told a signature-gathering effort is now set to begin."
Well it won't succeed but it might more negative publicity down on McCain. So, good idea.
omg....the greenies are back.
just shoot me.
There is no way a third-party candidate can get enough momentum or money to win the presidency at this point.
Just watching D'Souza on Book TV. Do you know when he decided liberal college culture had to be destroyed (his words)? When his college professors were rude to him at a cocktail party. I shit ye not. That is what he just said.
Would somebody just throw a big cocktail party for these conservative assholes and be nice to them so the can feel like big men? Maybe they will shut up.
"Jews for Buchanan" were mostly the result of the butterfly ballot in Palm Beach County. Nader got 95,000 votes in FL that should have gone to Gore.
Untruth that.
will do its best to hobble the candidacies of EVERY major Party Contender, they've established a patteren.
Not exactly, they'll probably support a republic party candidate, being that the media is owned by, people sympathetic with republic party goals.
He was a POW during the years when America was going through its 5 stages of loss over Vietnam, so this is *not* a deju vu to him. He's never seen it before.
Karin | 02.10.07 - 9:24 am | #
Wow!
That's a very interesting analysis, and I think you are correct.
Nice job!
Oh, here's a righteous rant!
Edwards did the right thing. People who work for him have a right to their opinion, especially if that opinion was expressed before they were hired. If we can consider ideologues like John Roberts and Antonin Scalia for the goddamn Supreme Court, certainly a couple of people who disapprove of some of the teachings of the Catholic Church should be able to work for the candidate they think can reverse the damage of the lying--and Bible quoting--cabal that sits in the White House, a cabal that managed, incidentally, to appeal to many right-leaning Catholics.
And left-leaning Catholics? The kind that engage in charity, poverty eradication, Habitat for Humanity, Witness For Peace, liberation theology---would they really let the free opinions of two young bloggers prevent them from voting for a candidate that actually wants to talk about the primary subject of the Scriptures, which is charity? Does Bill Donahue or these pundits really believe enlightened Catholics are that stupid?
This 'controversy', like the Nancy Pelosi airplane 'scandal,' is Rove-ism in its purest form, the political equivalent of Anna Nicole Smith's death, over which I'm sure the GOP is kicking themselves for not having engineered. When Congress should be debating the greatest foreign policy disaster in American history, discussing the hard facts of how to bring our troops home, and the media should be bringing these crucial analyses into the every living room in America, one little GOP pissant can introduce some nonsense about the size of a plane and insure that every news show in the country will blow a minimum of 60 seconds on it.
Female President for Havard.
It only took 371 years.
The possiblitity of alternatives gives us power.
What power would that be?
What is the Cable News networks love affair with the ANS story?
People are drawn to it, but it's not REALLY news.
There is no way a third-party candidate can get enough momentum or money to win the presidency at this point.
Depends who it is. Moyers/Webb would kick ass. No, I'm not a Nader loyalist, just someone who refuses to settle for shit.
just shoot me.
In the face w/,
white paste or bird shot?
Would somebody just throw a big cocktail party for these conservative assholes and be nice to them so the can feel like big men? Maybe they will shut up.
Troutski
Right.
Then they can carry on about liberals being wimps who won't stand up for their principles or confront people who disagree with them.
Or something... it hardly matters what.
Well, whoever the Dem candidate is, I predict Webb will be the Veep.
The possiblitity of alternatives gives us power.
What power would that be?
It would be the power to negotiate a platform and hold them to it "or else we vote for the alternative". If you have no negotiating power, you are irrelelvant and the Dems will and do take you for granted.
Not exactly, they'll probably support a republic party candidate, being that the media is owned by, people sympathetic with republic party goals.
Perhaps, but Shrub is the fly in that ointment.
At very least they put pressure on the Dems not to run crap candidates.
Jaded Prole | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 9:21 am
Gore, in a repeat of a 2006 interview w/Terri Gross yesterday, said felt his choices in 2000 were between the rule of law and outright revolution...he chose the less violent way and let the vote fraud stand...
which proves to me only one thing: if you commit a big enough crime--say, stealing the whole fucking country outright-- you are gonna be immune from prosecution; this is the political analog of the banking maxim of owing so much the banks can't let you fail...
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Seriously - it is the Grand Unified Cocktail Party Theory. What motivates a lot of these conservative blowhards is they want to be popular. And they don't know how.
Molly-it's so annoying that the NY Times wouldn't print the letter from Frances Kissling, after giving space to that idiot Donahue.
The Dems want to blame Nader but it's a lie.
Bullshit!
While the election was a work of theft and collusion, Nader propagated a myth that there is no difference between the parties. Which at the time and which should be obvious even to the purest soul is not at all the case.
I will always thank Nader for Roberts and Alito.
Plus the fuck is a sancitmonious, egotistical fuckwit.
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Moyers/Webb would kick ass.
Just because they use their words well and intelligently, it doesn'tmean they can lead.
Moyers? What experience has he had?
Christ.
"In the face w/,
white paste or bird shot?"
i don't care, just do it.
i figured for the next two fucking years we'd have to put up with wanking reporting and gop slime/bullshit. i can deal with those two in combo, but the greenie shit puts me over the edge.
there's only so much one can take...
What is the Cable News networks love affair with the ANS story?
People are drawn to it, but it's not REALLY news.
plantsman, lowercase
My local Chinese restaurant has a big teevee over the bar and as I ate my coconut shrimp and dran my mai tai last night, it was all Anna all the time. I couldn't get out of there fast enough. The patrons didn't object, but I muttered under my coconut breath the whole time.
When his college professors were rude to him at a cocktail party. I shit ye not. That is what he just said.
Who wouldn't be rude to someone who crawls around on all fours, licking high-heeled shoes?
Note to D'Souza: if you were less of an asshole, people might talk to you at parties.
College professors have to listen to you spew your bullshit in the classroom and try to find a way to work it into a lesson: we don't want to spend our leisure time the same way.
Female President for Havard.
It only took 371 years.
Unrepentant Fenian
*"Only in America."
*Holy Joe--on getting vp nomination in 2000.
Moyers? What experience has he had?
I expect he learned a lot as LBJ's CoS, but I'm not positive that's a good thing.
{{quizzical emoticon here}}
MSNBC talking Head to Sen. Wyden.
"Aren't both Dems and Republicans to blame for no resolution on the War in Iraq?"
Wyden should have walked off the set.
It's a hit job on Wyden and the Dems.
Each question is a quasi attack.
WTF?
Ya, blame Nader. But also Blame a Democratic Party that would choose a slug like Lieberman too.
While the election was a work of theft and collusion, Nader propagated a myth that there is no difference between the parties. Which at the time and which should be obvious even to the purest soul is not at all the case.
I will always thank Nader for Roberts and Alito.
Plus the fuck is a sancitmonious, egotistical fuckwit.
Afuckingmen.
Cheap to cover, mostly. Roll stock Anna footage, over and over, wallow in the 'tragedy' of it, use FL reporters and Grieva Cosby to cover it.
I suspect I owe Lime Rickey a coke.
I'm waiting for a story discussing what Giuliani did with his mistress in his office while married with children.
I have heard it would make a proctologist blush.
Depends who it is. Moyers/Webb would kick ass. No, I'm not a Nader loyalist, just someone who refuses to settle for shit.
Fuck You!!!!!
Sanctimonious Prick!!!
Yes, Kent is angry!
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Moyers is a very wise, very informed person with great leadership potential. He is probably one of the few people who could provide the enlightened leadership to undo the damage that's been done to this country but he isn't running. Instead we get Zaphod . . .
Each question is a vicious attack.
fixed that
Kent is being a doormat for the corprated party -- Kent should be mad at himself.
Plus the fuck is a sancitmonious, egotistical fuckwit.
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UNE_InarticulateShiftlessLazy™
Anyone who cast a vote for a man who explicitly said he did not intend to win the presidency is a damn fool, and in this country, the Damn Fool Vote is vital.
I am waiting for CNN to come up with a new Anna Nicole theme song. Playing Candle in the Wind too many times already.
I think it should be some cheezy 70's porn style bumper music.
Columbian coffee is teh bomb.
MMMMMMMMMM.......
Right now I'm into taking the Democratic Party back and I think we have had a good start.
We need to continue to clarify what we want and to pressure or Democratic reps to do those things.
This is the first time in a long time a large group of citizens have taken their duty of being involved in the government that is supposed to represent them and their views.
And the Democrats are listen to us.
I expect he learned a lot as LBJ's CoS, but I'm not positive that's a good thing.
He learned the same thing LBJ did no doubt.
I don't even think he'd want te job.
D'Souza's Dartmouth Review exercises were egregiously nasty and rhetorically designed to offend. His entire career has been that of a churlish, uncouth provacateur. Why an academic would give him the time of day, much less talk to him,, is beyond me...
Personally, I hope the Dems runs a strong progressive but I knw they won't.
I'm still giggling about my freshman art history student who told the class that da Vinci's Last Supper was painted on a platter instead of plaster.
Blame a Democratic Party that would choose a slug like Lieberman too.
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do the dems choose who is the running mate, or was the Clenis to blame?
I think Moyers would make an excellent Secretary of State.
Moyers *is* clean and articulate. So um we got that going for us I guess
kent regrets his anger, but certain purity troll has brought back memories of a younger kent running around with his hair on fire screaming to anyone who would listen "It's the Supreme court Stupid" well not as indelicate as that if you catch the drift.
Anyway, kent will back away and contemplate breakies................
/hot under the collar he is.
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Is Jaded Prole "jade" of 'is part rock' fame? Lot of the same loose screws.
Anna Nicole's theme will be a slow and mournful bluegrass jam.... with a brassy, uplifting finish!
The media will be devouring the baby girl years after they have done gnawing on Anna's bones.
'da Vinci's Last Supper was painted on a platter instead of plaster.
Troutski'
mixed it up with the Last de Mealo.
I am waiting for CNN to come up with a new Anna Nicole theme song. Playing Candle in the Wind too many times already.
Get Bernie Taupin on the phone quick.
Yes, Kent is angry!
I am, too, but not about this...
Personally, I hope the Dems runs a strong progressive but I knw they won't.
Jaded Prole
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Just getting out these last few snarks about Hillary before she becomes the inevitable candidate and I have to support her as our crusader against darkness
Moyers makes an excellent didactic TV host. He's Texan, we need a break from that.
Meanwhile, from Josh:
"From The Guardian today:
US preparations for an air strike against Iran are at an advanced stage, in spite of repeated public denials by the Bush administration, according to informed sources in Washington.
The present military build-up in the Gulf would allow the US to mount an attack by the spring. ...
"So there you have it. No real surprise. Just about anyone paying any attention understands that's where things stand: Gun loaded. Safety lock still on. In the hands of an Administration with an itchy trigger finger."
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com...ives/
012377.php
Well, Uncle S, I did in 2000, because I knew Gore would take my state (he did, easily) and I wanted to see the Greens get 5% so they'd qualify for funding (they didn't, by a hair). So mine was a calculated vote.
I agree with JadedProle in principle, but not in practice, because if Nader cared about America half as much as he did about himself, he would have conducted himself very, very differently and we could have spent 12 billion dollars on renewable energies over the last 6 years.
I am waiting for CNN to come up with a new Anna Nicole theme song. Playing Candle in the Wind too many times already.
I think it should be some cheezy 70's porn style bumper music.
trifecta
Or maybe something from the soundtrack of Star 80.
Is Jaded Prole "jade" of 'is part rock' fame? Lot of the same loose screws.
No on both counts. The Prole speaks from principle and experience but may Dem loyalists prefer denial to progressive analysis.
Moyers makes an excellent didactic TV host. He's Texan, we need a break from that.
plantsman, lowercase
Afuckingmen
(looks around to see if Tena is here)
Da Vinci did not do faience-ware!
I'm still mad at Nader he was the greatest profit it when it came to consumer protection, regulation, ever growing corporate control, laws, media deregulation and then he went on a half hearted attempt to run for president, which put a wrench in all his credibility. What the fuck was he thinking?
I hope the Dems runs a strong progressive but I knw they won't.
Why should they? The country is not strongly progressive - democrats are not all strongly progressive.
As I said, unless the guy is a good salesman and can make progressive policies sound palatable, there's no way he can win.
Of course, it's hard to tell what the candidates would do as president because right now they're trying to appeal to everyone. They're going to say things that some people don't like.
From its lofty perch, it sees what it wants.
Recall McCain?
How it works in Arizona
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/
leg...llprovision.htm
Signatures Reuired: 25% of the votes cast in the last election for the official being recalled
Signatures can be collected over 120 days
The recall election is generally is held simultaneously with an election for the official's successor.
The recall ballot simply asks voters if the official in question should be recalled, and if a majority of voters vote "yes," the office is declared vacant.
(looks around to see if Tena is here)
She'd agree.
I am waiting for CNN to come up with a new Anna Nicole theme song. Playing Candle in the Wind too many times already.
Baby Got Back?
Nader, if he wans't such an egotist, could have negotiated the possibility of dropping out if Gore would alter his platform. That he didn't is due to both the naivety of the Greens and his own character flaws but having an alternative can put the Demos over a barrel and give progressive with saavy the power to shape policy -- if it's done right.
Get it?
I didn't think so . . .
I'm still mad at Nader he was the greatest profit it when it came to consumer protection, regulation, ever growing corporate control, laws, media deregulation and then he went on a half hearted attempt to run for president, which put a wrench in all his credibility. What the fuck was he thinking?
The Colin Powell of the Left.
'I think it should be some cheezy 70's porn style bumper music.
trifecta
Or maybe something from the soundtrack of Star 80.
Uncle Smokes '
Bye, Bye Miss American Pie?
Kent is being a doormat for the corprated party -- Kent should be mad at himself.
Of course he is, and Jaded Prole is very lucky that kent is not in a position to kick his sorry ass, nor that kent would be inclined to if he had the opportunity. However if JP happened to show up on the corner outside of kent's house, at this moment, I would not bet against the possibility of spilled blood.
/serenity now..........
I agree with JadedProle in principle, but not in practice, because if Nader cared about America half as much as he did about himself, he would have conducted himself very, very differently and we could have spent 12 billion dollars on renewable energies over the last 6 years.
If he's looking for a savior, he's going to be sorely disappointed.
Moyers makes an excellent didactic TV host. He's Texan, we need a break from that.
plantsman, lowercase - 9:36 am
there hasn't been a 'real' texan in the WH since LBJ...
just sayin...
Ummm, the Republicans weren't pulled right by a right-wing alternative party. They were pulled right by a grassroots uprising within it.
We need to do the same thing.
The Colin Powell of the Left.
Molly Ivors, 100 a day! | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 9:40 am | #
Exactly.
ANS is definitely Holden-style "Wacka-wow" worthy.
but feel free to vote for nader as a president guliani could in no way shape or form be worse than Hillary.
Hate to disagree with my learned friend from Indiana, but Hillary would be about 100xs better than Rudy.
Why should they? The country is not strongly progressive - democrats are not all strongly progressive.
understood, but a bit of yang to the fascist yin we have apparently become, would go a long way
i always here this "alter the platform" thing from greens and it demonstrates they have no idea what the fuck they're talking about
er.hear
Well, Uncle S, I did in 2000, because I knew Gore would take my state (he did, easily) and I wanted to see the Greens get 5% so they'd qualify for funding (they didn't, by a hair). So mine was a calculated vote.
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Molly Ivors, 100 a day!
Of course, I was just going for a bit of joke there. You calculated your vote, and thus are not part of the vital Damn Fool voting bloc.
"From The Guardian today:
In 2003, when I was trying to understand what the fuck was going on, I read the Guardian and Independent almost exclusively.
Guess I should start doing the same this time around.
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gotta go do the Saturday stuff, now. have a wunnerful day and see
'Much too soon for his wishes and hopes, facts are coming out about the malfunctioning administration. Those facts are showing we are in big trouble.'
just click on the homepage.
They were pulled right by a grassroots uprising within it.
That too! Absolutley, but we need as many options in our arsenal as possible.
Ummm, the Republicans weren't pulled right by a right-wing alternative party. They were pulled right by a grassroots uprising within it.
Excellent point, darlin'.
Well, Uncle S, I did in 2000, because I knew Gore would take my state (he did, easily) and I wanted to see the Greens get 5% so they'd qualify for funding (they didn't, by a hair). So mine was a calculated vote.
So did I in NJ, another safe state. And in retrospect I can't regret NOT voting for Lieberman.
US preparations for an air strike against Iran are at an advanced stage, in spite of repeated public denials by the Bush administration, according to informed sources in Washington.
We're in deep people.
Bush wants to be the Tojo of the 21 century.
JFK didn't have to bomb Cuba back in 1962 and they had nukes.
I'll take Nader over Lieberman any day.
Is Atrios not subject to the 20 second rule?
Interesting if true.
Shiites.
I can't believe we're talking about Nader.
Or maybe something from the soundtrack of Star 80.
Uncle Smokes
Bye, Bye Miss American Pie?
Ruth
LOL
Next up on CNN: What are the similarities betweeen the life of Anna Nicole and Buddy Holly?
I'm sorry, I must fess up; that off-putting, creepy thing Anna ended up doing with her mouth before TV cameras really barfed me out -- and her "acting" could not touch La Monroe at her best.
'da Vinci's Last Supper was painted on a platter instead of plaster.
Superize it!
I'll take Nader over Lieberman any day.
Me too but he wouldn't be my first choice. I would prefer Kucinich or Ron Dellums or Bill Moyers.
JFK didn't have to bomb Cuba back in 1962 and they had nukes.
pwn3d
"but having an alternative can put the Demos over a barrel and give progressive with saavy the power to shape policy -- if it's done right.
Get it?
I didn't think so . . .
Jaded Prole | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 9:39 am | # "
That ship sailed a few elections ago. Got it?
The Nader/Titanic ticket is a loser and will hurt as badly as it did last time around and we cannot afford the Supreme Court that 'revolutionary' ticket would bring.
Ummm, the Republicans weren't pulled right by a right-wing alternative party. They were pulled right by a grassroots uprising within it.
We need to do the same thing.
Molly Ivors, 100 a day!
BINGO!!
And that's the answer. The netroots are the start of that movement, but only the start. Folks need to get out in the streets and do some real retail politicking, by working on campaigns, for example.
That kind of action came damned close to unseating Lieberman.
Plus the fuck is a sancitmonious, egotistical fuckwit.
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UNE
See, we really do agree on most things. Love ya friend.
I'm sorry, I must fess up; that off-putting, creepy thing Anna ended up doing with her mouth before TV cameras really barfed me out
You mean when she pulls her upper lip back like horse and shows 2-3 inches of gum? You don't find that sexy, her revealing enough gum to hold a small billboard sign?
Bargaining over the party platform has to be done from within.
Saw that video og the Marine helicopter being shot out of the sky in Iraq.
The DOD says that it was not shot down.
I guess our helicopters just blow up in mid air for no reason now?
I saw on CNN that this arms broker can get a gernade launcher for 100 bucks.
I can't believe we're talking about Nader.
The original subject was not Nader so much as the condmentation of the possibility of running alternatives to the prechosen corporate candidates under any circumstances. That condemnation makes us powerless and undermines democracy. It's a pet peeve of mine that we concede bargaining power and democracy in advance.
Try working in a Democratic campaign. The meatless scripts you will be ordered to memorize utter are unbearably vague and lame.
Bargaining over the party platform has to be done from within.
Very true . . .
if you got the do re me . . .
"we concede bargaining power and democracy in advance.
Jaded Prole | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 9:49 am | # "
But that is exactly what you are doing.
You don't find that sexy, her revealing enough gum to hold a small billboard sign?
It said: "Head-on. Apply directly to the forehead."
The DOD says that it was not shot down.
"who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?"
/wingnut nation
I guess our helicopters just blow up in mid air for no reason now
Chopper pilot played drums for Spinal Tap.
I guess our helicopters just blow up in mid air for no reason now?
No, no-- they blow up because they're hit with flaming debris from the two towers perfectly "pancaking" into their foundations.
Popular Mechanics and NOVA proved all this beyond the shadow of a doubt, remember?
You mean when she pulls her upper lip back like horse and shows 2-3 inches of gum? You don't find that sexy, her revealing enough gum to hold a small billboard sign?
Nuh-uh, but I'm gay, so I woont.
Try working in a Democratic campaign. The meatless scripts you will be ordered to memorize utter are unbearably vague and lame.
plantsman, lowercase | 02.10.07 - 9:49 am | #
Exactly. He brings the spirit of hoplessness.
Time for me to head off as well; I have to finish an appeal this morning so it can be typed in rough draft this afternoon.
Have a good and a reasonable day, bats, and do check out Ruth's excellent analysis of what the crooks in the White House have cost us with their cooked intelligence.
mixed it up with the Last de Mealo.
Ruth
You're on fire today.
I can't believe we're talking about Nader.
We'll still be talking about the 2000 election when we're in the old folks home. You think Germans are still not rehashing the 1932 election that brought Hitler into power?
Fuckin' Barack's “soufflé effect” predicted by illiterate windbarfs, open season on 2008.
You don't find that sexy, her revealing enough gum to hold a small billboard sign?
It said: "Head-on. Apply directly to the forehead."
More like "Head. Apply directly to the foreskin."
"we concede bargaining power and democracy in advance.
Jaded Prole | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 9:49 am | # "
But that is exactly what you are doing.
pigboy | 02.10.07 - 9:50 am | #
Not at all. The Dems are owned by the same folks that own the Repugs. They could give a shit about what we think and take us for granted. The possibility that they can't is their worst nightmare and gives us a voice.
CNN HN Hit piece on now.
Candy Crowley can go fuck herself.
Diane C. Barking-Mad,
I did read Ruth on Feith today and linked it to my linkee blog.
She has more energy than me today.
It takes an extraordinary amount of energy to even carry this bullshit in my memory banks.
It's time to inform the 2 Parties that "Up with People" is no longer touring.
The original subject was not Nader so much as the [condmentation] (sic) of the possibility of running alternatives to the prechosen corporate candidates
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sigh. In a perfect world, many could be chosen. http://politics1.com/p2004.htm
I tried to post all the zillions of candidates who ran in 2004, but haloscan won't let me. However, only 2 make it to the radar screen, with one irritant 3rd party candidate to upset the applecart.
If we are lucky, the winner and his (her) side will be the lesser of 2 evils. Sorry, this is reality.
Not at all. The Dems are owned by the same folks that own the Repugs. They could give a shit about what we think and take us for granted. The possibility that they can't is their worst nightmare and gives us a voice.
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That is jaded, babe, and true, oh how true!
Orwell said something about power and human nature, now didn't he.
When I lived in Germany, "Never Again Fascism" parades were common. Now, I dunno.
If we are lucky, the winner and his (her) side will be the lesser of 2 evils. Sorry, this is reality.
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Can't we change election law to a majority popular win and runoffs?
and more above
"we concede bargaining power and democracy in advance.
Jaded Prole | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 9:49 am | # "
But that is exactly what you are doing.
pigboy | 02.10.07 - 9:50 am | #
Not at all. The Dems are owned by the same folks that own the Repugs. They could give a shit about what we think and take us for granted. The possibility that they can't is their worst nightmare and gives us a voice.
Jaded Prole | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 9:53 am | #
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Oh boy. So you don't have access to a televison, radio or any other websites.
That's sad because if you did you would see that the Democrats are doing something now.
They are holding hearings, over 50 of them now.
Moving to change media ownership regulations and fulfilled their 100 hour agenda.
They have brought Iraq war debate to the floor of both houses.
Don't start saying they are failures that don't represent us before they have been in power for even a month.
Percale!
"we concede bargaining power and democracy in advance.
Jaded Prole | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 9:49 am | # "
But that is exactly what you are doing.
pigboy | 02.10.07 - 9:50 am | #
Not at all. The Dems are owned by the same folks that own the Repugs. They could give a shit about what we think and take us for granted. The possibility that they can't is their worst nightmare and gives us a voice.
Jaded Prole | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 9:53 am | #
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Oh boy. So you don't have access to a televison, radio or any other websites.
That's sad because if you did you would see that the Democrats are doing something now.
They are holding hearings, over 50 of them now.
Moving to change media ownership regulations and fulfilled their 100 hour agenda.
They have brought Iraq war debate to the floor of both houses.
Don't start saying they are failures that don't represent us before they have been in power for even a month.
"we concede bargaining power and democracy in advance.
Jaded Prole | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 9:49 am | # "
But that is exactly what you are doing.
pigboy | 02.10.07 - 9:50 am | #
Not at all. The Dems are owned by the same folks that own the Repugs. They could give a shit about what we think and take us for granted. The possibility that they can't is their worst nightmare and gives us a voice.
Jaded Prole | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 9:53 am | #
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Oh boy. So you don't have access to a televison, radio or any other websites.
That's sad because if you did you would see that the Democrats are doing something now.
They are holding hearings, over 50 of them now.
Moving to change media ownership regulations and fulfilled their 100 hour agenda.
They have brought Iraq war debate to the floor of both houses.
Don't start saying they are failures that don't represent us before they have been in power for even a month.
I agree that a broad brush on DEMs is off track but the DLC is definately bought into the power structure and centrism has meant copping out, selling out. Maybe the strength of American resistance will give them pollwind fingers some gonads after all but I am not holding my breath.
I will vote for Hillary, I voted for Kerry but the process has been skewed to keep the true left in the margins and that is a deadly tactic.
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