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This has got to be some sort of record.
Aw, the old thread was just getting started.
i>This has got to be some sort of record.
Richard
Best i've ever seen...
anyone see the youtube video yesterday ((posted on daily kos)) showing hillary using all of bush/cheney's arguments with the code pink delegation just prior to 'shlock and awe?'
such a sweet little warpig.
Thanks for calling the new thread, guys!
Yay!
Bah.
Aw, the old thread was just getting started.
ql in ny
We can start this one.
[smile]
QL, seems fair to have one room for Mr QL, it is all I want or need. But it is my secret place. The place where dreams live and the magic happens.
The total bookshelves in here are 16 feet long by 6 feet high. (Hold most of my books - sigh)
Corporate Media Renews Contract With Republican Party"
anyone see the youtube video yesterday ((posted on daily kos)) showing hillary using all of bush/cheney's arguments with the code pink delegation just prior to 'shlock and awe?'
Oddly enough, it's now 2007. Got any new footage?
Richard - that was amazing.
(^.^)(_ _)(^.^)
Humbug.
Oddly enough, it's now 2007. Got any new footage?
NTodd, Sex Panther
No, but we seem to be up to our asses in Anna Nicole footage.
There's a gentleman gardener, who despite his advancing years, has a slew of roses, and trellised
grapes, and puts in veggies and gaudy annuals each year. Over the years, he has painstakingly created polite but firm signs requesting dog owners clean up after their pets. Seems to work,
Isn't the record 9 in a row? I seem to recall that. Even if so, it doesn't diminsh Richard's amazing achievement. And if I'm wrong, well, then Richard is truly a god among men.
No, but we seem to be up to our asses in Anna Nicole footage.
Did she vote for the AUMF in 2002?
y'know, the Sci Fi channel doesn't really need to advertise that their latest "made for Sci Fi" movie stars Lance Henriksen.
He's in every one of them. Along with Michael Ironside.
The 20 second rule defeats me every time and I have all but given up on the whole thing.
SHIT....
"In response to being told that his story on Nancy Pelosi was a lie and nothing more than a smear being perpetrated by Republicans, Terry Moran of ABC News said "Yeah, I know that the story has no merits and is meant to destroy the reputation of a hard working Democrat politician based on innuendo and outright fabrications. I'm not an idiot. But hey, I'm just an employee doing what I'm told to do. If I didn't do it they would just replace me with someone who would. I'm not willing to give up a good paycheck for principle and I don't know anyone else who works at ABC or any of the other networks who would either."
The surge it is happening;
'An explosion killed three U.S. troops and wounded four others as the soldiers searched a building for a weapons cache in Diyala province in Iraq, the U.S. military announced Saturday.
The killings on Friday raise the February death toll for U.S. troops to 37.
Since it began in 2003, the war has taken the lives of 3,113 U.S. troops and seven Department of Defense civilians. '
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/me...main/
index.html
Let's see, the last kind of war we should be getting into is an urban house to house kind, right?
No, but we seem to be up to our asses in Anna Nicole footage.
Gomez
I've always been an ass man.
the fact that hilary 'bought' all of the white house lies about iraq when there was an international peace movement arguing the opposite speaks volumes.
Richard - that was amazing.
You want amazing? This is amazing...
view from a 900 foot cliff, part II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O...h?
v=ONhvxzXJRJE
Here's what a friend of mine said after he watched this video:
Richard ... YOU ... ARE ... CRAZY!
I almost got sick watching that
Now fated to be the last post on the previous thread...
OT but what the hey:
Watching a recorded live Boz Scaggs show on the satellite. He still sounds good singing "Georgia".
Mark Hamill was in John Carpenter's "Village of the Damned"?
I'm not willing to give up a good paycheck for principle and I don't know anyone else who works at ABC or any of the other networks who would either.
Our corporate media mannequins in a nutshell.
Maybe I should go back down there and post "Last!"
the fact that hilary 'bought' all of the white house lies about iraq when there was an international peace movement arguing the opposite speaks volumes.
Oddly enough, the majority of Americans and their Congressional delegations bought it. Sad that nobody is able to learn, grow and change their minds...
Actually Hilary's arguments (along with Edwards as well) about Iran basically show she is the same person who supported all the lies leading up to the war.
Let's see, the last kind of war we should be getting into is an urban house to house kind, right?
Ruth
Exactly, dear one. There will be a hell of a lot more casualties with the "New Way Forward'.
Mark Hamill was in John Carpenter's "Village of the Damned"?
Along with Christopher Reeves and Kirstie Alley?
Sad that nobody in a position of power is able to learn, grow and change their minds...
tweaked it a bit.
Just checked levenger.com to see about the tv stands and no such item is listed!
Along with Christopher Reeves and Kirstie Alley?
and Jane Kozlowski from "Crocodile Dundee".
Did she vote for the AUMF in 2002?
NTodd, Sex Panther
No, but she was a MILF.
'An explosion killed three U.S. troops and wounded four others as the soldiers searched a building for a weapons cache in Diyala province in Iraq, the U.S. military announced Saturday.
Wait, I thought we were supposed to be the ones surging?
No, but we seem to be up to our asses in Anna Nicole footage.
Gomez
Not like there is a civil war going on in Iraq or anything.
There's a gentleman gardener, who despite his advancing years, has a slew of roses, and trellised
grapes, and puts in veggies and gaudy annuals each year. Over the years, he has painstakingly created polite but firm signs requesting dog owners clean up after their pets. Seems to work,
plantsman, lowercase
Grapes of Wrath. Old folks are often teh master gardeners. I remember as a kid taking family trips to my uncle's place. To me, he seemed so old, that he must have been around 53 at birth. But Dayum, could he create a gorgeous garden.
Talk about trusting your buddy... one little push and it's lights out
I love this, hope you will too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j...h?v=jqS1vk-
OuS4
'There will be a hell of a lot more casualties with the "New Way Forward'.
billy b; west coast blues'
Interviews on NBC last evening with soldiers in this situation showed everyone they had on thought it was a mistake.
I saw "The Empire Strikes Back" on TV last night.
It still holds up.
Speaking of sci-fi, "Marooned" just started on TCM...
To me, he seemed so old, that he must have been around 53 at birth.
He was 53 when he was born? Cool!
Where can you even find a small tv stand these days with wheels that is not gargantuan, doesn't seem to exist, they're all these big entertainment center monstrosities. What happened to the cute little nondescript ones that don't play as furniture? Bah.
I saw "The Empire Strikes Back" on TV last night.
It still holds up.
I think I'm one of the few people that thinks "Return of the Jedi" has gotten better with age...
the fact that hilary 'bought' all of the white house lies about iraq when there was an international peace movement arguing the opposite speaks volumes.
Oddly enough, the majority of Americans and their Congressional delegations bought it. Sad that nobody is able to learn, grow and change their minds...
NTodd, Sex Panther
i'm not so sure that's a valid argument. the american people can almost be forgiven- perhaps never have we seen a period in history in which the media was not only so uncritical, but outright acting as agents in the propaganda push before the war. the combination of that and the aftereffects of 911 allow me to forgive, but not forget that many americans just like me saw through that bullshit despite what we were told by the wise of the beltway.
but i don't forgive congresscritters, and i don't forgive hillary in particular. former presidents still get daily intel briefings, and for crying out loud, she'd only been out of the white house for a few years. did she really think that what bill didn't consider worth more than no-fly zones had metasticized into a mushroom cloud threat in that short time? if she did, she's not fit to be president.
the fact that hilary 'bought' all of the white house lies about iraq when there was an international peace movement arguing the opposite speaks volumes.
Either way, the republic party was in charge of all three branches of government. What could she have done to stop them from the invasion?
'Wait, I thought we were supposed to be the ones surging?
The Kenosha Kid'
It's all that criticism of the war that makes the bombs go off.
'There will be a hell of a lot more casualties with the "New Way Forward'.
billy b; west coast blues'
We're losing about 4 people a day right now.
This is madness.
I like the one with Princess Leia in the gold bikini.
Where can you even find a small tv stand these days with wheels that is not gargantuan, doesn't seem to exist, they're all these big entertainment center monstrosities. What happened to the cute little nondescript ones that don't play as furniture? Bah.
sonny
We got one at Ikea for the small tv in the back bedroom.
Tena,
You are still going to a big shindig tonight all freshly coiffed and all? Hope you have a good time. (And thanks for going so people like me don't have to go 
)
i don't forgive hillary in particular. former presidents still get daily intel briefings, and for crying out loud, she'd only been out of the white house for a few years. did she really think that what bill didn't consider worth more than no-fly zones had metasticized into a mushroom cloud threat in that short time?
Those two kids really should talk more...
Where can you even find a small tv stand these days with wheels that is not gargantuan, doesn't seem to exist, they're all these big entertainment center monstrosities. What happened to the cute little nondescript ones that don't play as furniture? Bah.
Try flea markets and yard sales and second-hand stores.
Tena,
You are still going to a big shindig tonight all freshly coiffed and all? Hope you have a good time. (And thanks for going so people like me don't have to go )
DWD
You must have me confused with Moonbootica.
I'm not going anywhere, except around the corner into the other room to watch a DVD eventually.
He was 53 when he was born? Cool!
watertiger
It sure seemed that way to me at the time. Two of my uncles were WWI vets.
I'm not going anywhere, except around the corner into the other room to watch a DVD eventually.
Sounds exhausting!
I like the one with Princess Leia in the gold bikini.
The Kenosha Kid
She got old right after that movie.
Tena,
Really? I thought I read this morning that you had your hair in soft curls and your nails done. (Must have been sleeping - MORE coffee EARLIER)
Sorry.
we don't really see enough of pat boone in leather do we?
Echidne of the snakes, good idea. I've checked so many stores and nada. These days I'm using a modest little side table that's set on a flat plant wheel thing you get at home depot, so the tv can move around a bit. Sort of mickey mouse but it does the trick and it's inconspicuous.
I thought that Leia strangling Jabba the Hut kind of foreshadowed the Pelosi-Hastert struggle... with the Mesopotamian desert background and what not.
we don't really see enough of pat boone in leather do we?
james crack corn
OK, thats kinda gay.
'did she really think that what bill didn't consider worth more than no-fly zones had metasticized into a mushroom cloud threat in that short time? if she did, she's not fit to be president.
chicago dyke, panther skinner '
I really think that seeing people vote some one she knew to be totally unfit to be president ruined any respect that Hillary, and a lot of reps, had for the voters. Seeing them blind as bats, and inexcusably so, it was so obvious he had no character, I think they all went with the flow until they could open the eyes of the hideously blind electorate.
And btw I found a fantastic World Press Photo Award for 2006 and posted it just now at the hojmepage.
I saw "The Empire Strikes Back" on TV last night.
Easily the best of the series.
Really? I thought I read this morning that you had your hair in soft curls and your nails done.
That was Moon, post being dumped -- took it well, she did!
I like the one with Princess Leia in the gold bikini.
I gotta go to lightsabre practice. BRB.
OK, thats kinda gay.
Gomez | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 5:50 pm
Tena,
Really? I thought I read this morning that you had your hair in soft curls and your nails done. (Must have been sleeping - MORE coffee EARLIER)
Sorry.
DWD
That was Moonbootica's comment.
She was going to a ball tonight.
I thought that Leia strangling Jabba the Hut kind of foreshadowed the Pelosi-Hastert struggle... with the Mesopotamian desert background and what not.
That is either really brilliant or really deranged.
That was Moon, post being dumped -- took it well, she did!
plantsman, lowercase
She sure did. I felt really badly for her, but the bigger disappointment was when Mir backed out, so she probably didn't feel as bad this time.
I hope she's having a good time.
Who was on the u tube video posted here last night. I really liked it but couldn't figure our who it was. I'm tech -impaired. Thanks in advance.
I'm basically going to assume that any single-issue Hillary haters on here are GOP trolls and ignore them with the rest of the trolls.
If she's the nominee she will get my vote but I'm not even going to think about any of this crap until next year. So STFU trolls.
Interviews on NBC last evening with soldiers in this situation showed everyone they had on thought it was a mistake.||Ruth
I saw that,too, Ruth, and was a bit amazed, as I was by Brian Williams' comment after the ANS coverage to the effect that "some web pages" are pointing out the death of a female soldier as more newsworthy. But of course, no cite of which website(s) he was perusing.
Soup on the stove, bread pudding in the oven, cat on my lap, sun's just set in my western windows. Got to spend some time today w/ Son, D-i-L, and G/Son. It's difficult to imagine how things could be any better.
Moonbootica, whom I adore, has been blessed with her father's lantern jaw. Remember that party she went to real late one time and got high and came home after dawn?
any single-issue Hillary haters on here are GOP trolls
Hardly, as it's a pretty big issue.
And the surge continues...
BAGHDAD, IRAQ —An American military helicopter killed as many as nine Kurdish militia fighters early Friday in the northern city of Mosul when the aircraft mistakenly attacked a guard post.
Either way, the republic party was in charge of all three branches of government. What could she have done to stop them from the invasion?
tbsa
"my fellow americans, i spent 8 years in the white house at the side of my husband, the president who brought your peace, prosperity, and a totally contained saddam hussein. i'm here to tell you that saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, that he is a secularist who hates osama, and that an invasion of his nation while osama is still on the loose is the worst possible waste of our precious national resources. bush sr. himself understood the risks of a war of choice in iraq, and like that former republican president, i'm standing before you today to oppose his son's reckless and illogical push to war in iraq. terrorism is a threat that my husband and i understood well in the previous decade, which is why whenever there was an attack, or threat of one, there was a swift response by the police and intelligence forces of the US government. the answers to the threat of terrorism are complex, but i know as a nation we can not only come up with them, but employ them in a way that won't upset the delicate balance of power in the middle east at the expense of our national financial and international standing. i oppose giving this president, himself with a shaky record of military service, sweeping and unprecidented powers when what is truly called for is a sober, thoughtful evaluation of the situation. this is no time for the people of the united states to kill and die for the ego of one insecure son trying to overcome his father's shadow."
Tena,
Oh. I really like our young protege from England. She is bright and caring and full of piss and vinegar. I hope only the best things for her.
I enjoy her posts: if I am not interested (Rorschach) I scroll on by. But I love her enthusiasm.
On c-span2/BookTV Saturday, February 10 at 10:00 pm ET and Sunday, February 11 at 4:30 pm ET
United States v. George W. Fucking Bush et al.
Elizabeth de la Vega with Garrison Keillor
Description: Elizabeth de la Vega talks about her book, "United States v. George W. Bush et al.," at an event hosted by Common Good Books in St. Paul, Minnesota. In the book, Ms. De la Vega presents a fictional indictment of President Bush and members of his cabinet for the way they sold the invasion of Iraq to the American public. She charges them with "conspiracy to defraud the United States." Garrison Keillor, who owns Common Good Books, makes opening remarks.
Author Bio: Elizabeth de la Vega is a former federal prosecutor and was an Assistant U.S. Attorney in Minneapolis. She was also a member of the Organized Crime Strike Force and Branch Chief in San Jose, California. The author has been a regular contributor to TomDispatch.com since her retirement in 2004.
http://www.democraticunderground...&
mesg_id=171928
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Hang in there Moonbootica. Confused is naturally for people in their 20's. Jaded is for 30's. Who gives a shit is 40+.
Hecate, the only thing I can add to that list is new kitty pictures posted by 4lg.
Kittenz!
Ruth,
The pic seems to be gone from your homepage? Or is it just my computer?
LA Times sez that the CIA told OSP that their info on 26 items was 50% wrong, OSP refused to change, forwarded it on to WH.
cardamom, I found out he had a blog, went onto his blog this a.m. and said how great I tho't that was. There it says; ' It's reprinted (with our thanks) here with permission from the Philadelphia Daily News blog called "ATTYTOOD," the work of senior writer Will Bunch.'
Hardly, as it's a pretty big issue.
footloose
If the shoe fits...
Hecate, Chocolate chip cookies just out of the oven with the chocolate still gooey. (That's all I have right now, Want one?)
It's difficult to imagine how things could be any better.
I linked to the B-52s "Dead Beat Club" video above.
They're having so much fun!
chidyke ROX
Hang in there Moonbootica. Confused is naturally for people in their 20's. Jaded is for 30's. Who gives a shit is 40+.
Max Planck
I wouldn't wan to be in my twenties again.
chicago dyke, panther skinner- as has been pointed out a million times, talking is hardly a plan for getting out, or not going into Iraq to begin with. If you don't have the votes, you are in NO position to do anything to change the course of events. The people who dislike hillary aren't going to change their minds about her no matter.
It's difficult to imagine how things could be any better.
I linked to the B-52s "Dead Beat Club" video above.
They're having so much fun!
plantsman, lowercase
God I love that album.
What did I miss? Was somebody hating on Moon? I love Moon.
Doug Feith, dumbest motherfucker on the face of the planet, and head link-cooker at the Roadkill Grill.
That was Moon, post being dumped -- took it well, she did!
plantsman,
Yes she did. That gal keeps me happy, she is such an optimist. I didn't want to tell her that princes are rarely met at balls outside of fairy tales. She is so hoping to meet a bloke.
I've got my fingers crossed.
I wouldn't wan to be in my twenties again.
Tena
I would. I'd make a buncha different mistakes
but i don't forgive congresscritters, and i don't forgive hillary in particular. former presidents still get daily intel briefings, and for crying out loud, she'd only been out of the white house for a few years. did she really think that what bill didn't consider worth more than no-fly zones had metasticized into a mushroom cloud threat in that short time? if she did, she's not fit to be president.
I agree completely with this. I think she and the rest of them "critters" knew that case being made the the Bush administration was bullshit and just went along for the ride for political expediency.
That the administration's song and dance was a steaming pile of crap was pretty easy to uncover for folks like us simply using the intertubes. They have no excuse on that particular score. Surely they were aware of stuff like this:
Rice and Powell in 2001 saying Iraq had no WMDs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o...h?
v=oN5yvoIsnnE
chicago dyke, panther skinner
That was a good thought...if only. Obama stood up in October '02 with a bit of the same - although I like the part about bush skipping out on his service.
DWD,
Oooh, yes, please. I promise it won't spoil my appetite!
Why do liberals want the islams to win the war?
Me, too; Tena! The date in the New Fillmore West, just down the block from the infamous People's Temple was awesome. Punk bassist Sara Lee smiled!
jeez, Hecate, the pic is gone, and that happened before with something that worked when I put it up and then when I posted it wouldn't come up. I'm working on it.
Hecate, only a very minor criticism by Rorschach: he did not think she should post whole articles and instead post links.
I don't much care: I thought it a bit cruel and said so. (But this was in the very early or very late Atriot's group. Not many there so it prolly meant little. Tom from Hong Kong, Rorschach, Incog, Barry, Draco, Pitchforks and torches, and Sarah Deere seems to be the extent of the subgroup. But you can join anytime: 2:30- 4:30 AM EDST)
Why do liberals want the islams to win the war?
Dude. There is NO "war" with Islam. You can't have a war with a religion. Ask the Catholics who thought they'd gotten rid of all the witches.
Quentin, Elizabeth De La Vega will be in the DFL Book Salon tomorrow afternoon too.
FDL.
Thanks for the C-Span heads up.
Moon's wanting to nasty soon, and I hope she gets to, nicely.
So Anna Nicole kissed the toad.
It turned into a Prince.
Then they fucked for about ten years.
Then he went on Larry King, who looks like an iguana, to tell all about it.
respectfully, tbsa- talking does make a huge difference. perhaps not to have stopped the invasion, but think of how different things would be today if democrats had stood firm in opposition to the war from day one. public support for the war has been slipping steadily since it began, and with each new "surge" or "push" it's been increasingly clear that the only people "winning" are the war profiteers. people, Little People like us, understood that, but lacked the public microphone to express it. the so-called sheeple, the ones swayed by the likes of the bobbleheads, perhaps would've had different opinions had there been a vocal, united, repeated anti-war emphasis from the democratic party.
04 may have been different. the economy may have been different. so many things could have been different, if our "opposition leadership" had acted like opposition, or leaders.
Everybody up from their nap?
seems to be the extent of the subgroup. But you can join anytime: 2:30- 4:30 AM EDST)
DWD -
Thanks.
Hecate, all, here it is. If you click on the pic on the website at cabdrollery, it comes up. dunno why it went away;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/s...2006/html/
1.stm
http://thumbsnap.com/v/THua2akL.jpg
chicago dyke, thanks for writing that so I didn't have to: WORD
Larry King looks like a dessicated Iguana!
Why do liberals want the islams to win the war?
niggardly
Okay, I'm calling parody.
The "Islams"????????
Quentin, Elizabeth De La Vega will be in the DFL Book Salon tomorrow afternoon too.
FDL.
And thank you, too. FDL has been fun lately.
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"In response to being told that his story on Nancy Pelosi was a lie and nothing more than a smear being perpetrated by Republicans, Terry Moran of ABC News said "Yeah, I know that the story has no merits and is meant to destroy the reputation of a hard working Democrat politician based on innuendo and outright fabrications. I'm not an idiot. But hey, I'm just an employee doing what I'm told to do. If I didn't do it they would just replace me with someone who would. I'm not willing to give up a good paycheck for principle and I don't know anyone else who works at ABC or any of the other networks who would either."
Got a link?
Madeline fourlegs, by the way, is a heart-stealer!
What did I miss? Was somebody hating on Moon? I love Moon.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
No, not at all. Not at all.
[smile]
Ruth,
that's an amazing picture. That one girl is drop-dead gorgeous, isn't she? The young people cruising, like young people do, the red convertible, and then all that devestation. Amazing.
Connoisseurs of Althouse will not want to miss this rather spectacular meltdown.
Help! Help! A blogger is incivil!
Oh yeah, Quilt Lady too but I usually miss her cause me meds kick in and I go back to sleep. I really hate missing the morning group but I am just trying to do the best I can to survive the inconvenience and pain
Sorry, QL, won't happen again.
"opposition leadership" had acted like opposition, or leaders.
chicago dyke
The big dawg has said repeatedly that he thought Saddam had WMD. If they had acted as an opposition party and then had been proved wrong, we wouldn't be in a majority today.
DWD,
I'm only up at that hour if I can't sleep. I'm too old for those late nights!
Why do liberals want the islams to win the war?
niggardly
Why do you pretend to be your own girlfriend, Shoelimpy?
Madeline fourlegs, by the way, is a heart-stealer!
plantsman
So are her brothers.
I want to get one of them for my kitty and for me.
My kitty needs another kitty to play with. He really does - he tries to get me to chase him and play like another cat all the time. He's got to think I'm the world's most boring cat.
I wonder how he'd take it if I brought a kitten in?
Football on CBS.
"In response to being told that his story on Nancy Pelosi was a lie and nothing more than a smear being perpetrated by Republicans, Terry Moran of ABC News said "Yeah, I know that the story has no merits and is meant to destroy the reputation of a hard working Democrat politician based on innuendo and outright fabrications. I'm not an idiot. But hey, I'm just an employee doing what I'm told to do. If I didn't do it they would just replace me with someone who would. I'm not willing to give up a good paycheck for principle and I don't know anyone else who works at ABC or any of the other networks who would either."
sally
Greed Without Balls.
Me am pissed
Chimp be preznit
Electric bill = astronomical
Old college team lose what should be easy game
Pro bowl: no Cleveland Browns
Weather: sucked for 2 weeks
At least me be married and get laid often
Not many there so it prolly meant little. Tom from Hong Kong, Rorschach, Incog, Barry, Draco, Pitchforks and torches, and Sarah Deere seems to be the extent of the subgroup. But you can join anytime: 2:30- 4:30 AM EDST)
Hullooooooo!!!!
Tena, if Mad is any indication, your cat won't be able to resist for long!
chicago dyke, panther skinner - I completely agree with what you're saying, I do. At the time the war started, the media would tar and feather anyone as unpatriotic, unamerican, traitorous lunatic left who would faintly criticize the war. I am still to this day dismayed at the lack of leadership on our side. This war is crazy and insane, but the dems are still saying they wont cut funds. You can't be against the war when you continue to fund it.
Why do liberals want the islams to win the war?
niggardly
And your name doesn't fool us.
You're using the n-word.
Stop it.
Why do liberals want the islams to win the war?
niggardly
Why do you pretend to be your own girlfriend, Shoelimpy?
Richard
Because no woman with a set of eyes and a working brain would want him?
http://thumbsnap.com/v/McTQ1UfF.jpg
'That one girl is drop-dead gorgeous, isn't she? The young people cruising, like young people do, the red convertible, and then all that devestation. Amazing.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator '
it just makes me happy, so in the middle of devastation and insisting on their lives. wow. all gorgeous.
Why do liberals want the islams to win the war?
niggardly
Why does the republic party hate the troops?
I have nothing to add but:
whuzgubalitikitiki.
Pro bowl: no Cleveland Browns
Cleveland has a pro team?
Thers,
And she complains about other folks being incivil???
One of our readers has a question about the Pelosi airplane brouhaha
http://americablog.blogspot.com/...tion-
about.html
Michael writes:
"The floating pleasure palace is a reconfigured Boeing 757 stored at Andrews Air Force Base with Air Force One and the rest of the fleet of executive aircraft."
"The aircraft has a game room, stateroom, showers, a communications center and seats 42 to 50 people, according to the Air Force."
"It costs taxpayers $22,000 an hour to operate, according to military and congressional sources."
So my question: why does the Air Force even have such a plane? Who uses this plane? Who has been using it? Forget what Nancy wants... why the heck are we taxpayers paying for a floating pleasure palace to begin with?
I swear I hear rain -- but that's so much better than ice!
"I'm just an employee doing what I'm told to do. If I didn't do it they would just replace me with someone who would. I'm not willing to give up a good paycheck for principle and I don't know anyone else who works at ABC or any of the other networks who would either."
"I was just following ze orders!"
Pro bowl: no Cleveland Browns
As I've said before, it's a rebuilding century for us.
At least me be married and get laid often
You're doing it wrong.
The middle of the night crew is a good group, I am sad that usually when I'm getting on they're breaking up, only sometimes chat with Sarah Deere at all.
Dude. There is NO "war" with Islam. You can't have a war with a religion. Ask the Catholics who thought they'd gotten rid of all the witches.
they did. I'ts just that some people today like to play dress up and pretend they have some ancient religion.
Hey, Thers:
Did you guys get snowed in or were you too far south?
Why do liberals want the islams to win the war?
niggardly
Why does the republic party hate the troops?
tbsa
Why isn't DickGimpy over there fighting them thar "islams"?
'That one girl is drop-dead gorgeous, isn't she? The young people cruising, like young people do, the red convertible, and then all that devestation. Amazing.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator '
it just makes me happy, so in the middle of devastation and insisting on their lives. wow. all gorgeous.
Ruth
Beirut has been known as the Paris of the ME for many years. Very sophisticated city. Very beautiful. The destruction of it is unforgivable.
So my question: why does the Air Force even have such a plane? Who uses this plane?
As a back-up if Air Force 1 & 2 are down or in use.
Crashcart uses it, Condi uses it.
I'ts just that some people today like to play dress up and pretend they have some ancient religion.
scud
That's not nice to talk about the pope like that.
view from a 900 foot cliff, part II
Beautiful, Richard! Where is that coastline?
see, if you want to get in trouble
I'll tell you how to do it
Make a list of Atriots, then you're into it. . . (With apologies to Cisco Houston's Talking Guitar Blues)
Sorry, GWPDA - a lady I admire almost more than anyone.
This coupling that we all have to go through before finding the right mate (if ever) is really troublesome.
SOmeone posted last night that some supermodel or another was having trouble getting dates. Could be. When I was in college I had a dear friend named Diane. She was a singularly beautiful young woman but she was a bit Dutch girl. 6'4". (I used to go out with her cause she wanted someone to hang around with. She hated tall men dating short women. But what a great feeling having her on your arm )
I guess we learn too late that it is better to have someone we like rather than someone we desire. Hopefully we get both: but if you have a choice, choose the first one)
I flew on a 757 from Chicago to Grand Rapids a 2 months ago. It was the smoothest flight I was ever on.
A very cool plane.
I need a copy of Cosmic Thing.
Beirut has been known as the Paris of the ME for many years. Very sophisticated city. Very beautiful. The destruction of it is unforgivable.
Tena
A fellow Eschatonian posted this a couple of weeks back, but it's worth posting again.
Why do some assholes persist in wanting to destroy everything beautiful in this world?
http://www.lucasgray.com/video/
p...peacetrain.html
One thing about 757s. Very Narrow Aisle.
'The destruction of it is unforgivable.
Tena '
And so much of it is with our cluster bombs, illegally used, which makes me sick.
'That's not nice to talk about the pope like that.
Terry C, Pelosi Fan'
[Laughies}
Uh-oh. Brown Rice for the large boy!
Afternoon, rational people.
I remember now why I rarely work weekends. It breaks into my nap time.
ql- the fact that bill parroted the bush line is one of the reasons i'm not such a big fan anymore. i won't bash him, but i will say this: there were no WMDs and he knew it.
put it another way: think of what it would've been like had hillary (with a bill keeping his mouth shut like a good former president) had been vocally anti war since day one. sure, she wouldn't have 50million from certain pro-war rich folks in her war chest, but should would be in a position today to gloat and gloat about how right she was, and how strong she proved herself to be, standing up to the lemmings and shills and warmongers who are now so obviously proven wrong.
demonize? hello- she has and always will be demonized in our media, even if she were to drop out of politics and become a baptist home maker tomorrow. she had an opportunity, to show her leadership, to prove she was tough, to demonstrate that she could do the right thing in the face of opposition. it would've won people like me over, and better still, given her a terrific narrative to run on in 08. "see, i was right before it was fashionable, before everyone else, and i stuck to my guns."
i have a lot of theories why she didn't do this, but the bottom line is i'm just not impressed with her. there was a real liberal woman there at one point, now she's just another beltway insider trying to please and not piss anyone off at any time, ready to be sold to the highest campaign contributor. and the important part: hundreds of thousands are dead, wounded, maimed, and the threat of terrorism is higher for decades to come. that's nothing to defend.
http://www.lucasgray.com/video/ p...peacetrain.html
Terry C, Pelosi Fan
That was fantastic
Did you guys get snowed in or were you too far south?
Nah, that's north of Syracuse. Maybe 150 miles.
Did you ever get those linty cruddy things in your crotch right by the thigh? They itch and smell really bad.
Interviews on NBC last evening with soldiers in this situation showed everyone they had on thought it was a mistake.||Ruth
I saw that,too, Ruth, and was a bit amazed, as I was by Brian Williams' comment after the ANS coverage to the effect that "some web pages" are pointing out the death of a female soldier as more newsworthy. But of course, no cite of which website(s) he was perusing.
cardamom | 02.10.07 - 5:53 pm | #
I linked to that Attytood piece about the soldier over at metafilter.com but a few jokers complained that somehow the post cheapened the soldier's life (!)--missing the point and trashing Will Bunch in the process--and so it was removed.
Nah, that's north of Syracuse. Maybe 150 miles.
Math is HARD!
So, what's going on, gang?
Pretty quiet (and warm) here in America's Glans™ tonight.
And she complains about other folks being incivil???
Isn't it amazing?
(For the record, Ann Althouse on Scott Lemieux of LGM:
"Well, Scott, I see a tiny little image that looks like this: d. I was under the impression that that was a picture of a tiny little prick, and I thought it was you. I'll take your word for it that I was wrong and that despite your loathsomeness, you've managed to find other little pricks who are willing to associate with you. I have corrected my post to indicate that it was not you. Now, have you corrected your vicious stupidity, you pathetic little man? 3:48 PM)
DWD - while I never achieved 6'4", nor Dutchness, nor blondeness, nor even blue eyes (although they did turn from dark brown to green to gold), I will say that the biggest problem between tall and not so tall was that the not so tall always thought they weren't wanted. Strange. The Tall Ones, if they're treated as people, early on get used to not paying much attention to such distinctions....
I did however just finish planting two sixpacks of celery...
Math is HARD!
watertige
Well d'uh - you're a girl.
they did. I'ts just that some people today like to play dress up and pretend they have some ancient religion.
Yeah, that's it. You're right. No witches here. Nothing to see. Move along.
i have a lot of theories why she didn't do this, but the bottom line is i'm just not impressed with her.
chicago dyke, panther skinner
chidy is right, as always.
In the end, Bill turned out to have guts. Hill, not so much.
My vas defrens itches
U.S. contractor shot by U.S. forces
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20070...raq_driver_shot
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military confirmed on Saturday that American forces at Camp Anaconda, the huge air base north of Baghdad, shot and killed a civilian contract truck driver.
A spokeswoman for KBR, a contracting subsidiary of Halliburton that was formerly known as Kellogg, Brown & Root, said the shooting was under investigation.
Melissa Norcross, the KBR spokeswoman, said the company was not releasing the name of the dead driver or a second person in the truck who was wounded "to protect the individuals' privacy."
In Baghdad, Lt. Cmdr. Bill Speaks said, "There was an escalation of force incident at Camp Anaconda on Feb. 5 (Monday) that resulted in the death of a civilian contractor. The incident is under investigation by the Army Criminal Investigation Division and KBR."
An escalation of force incident normally means a driver approaching a checkpoint did not respond to military orders to approach slowly and stop.
"Sadly, 98 KBR employees and subcontractors have lost their lives, and more than 430 have been wounded by hostile action while performing services under the company's government contracts in Iraq, Afghanistan and Kuwait," Norcross said in an e-mail response to queries about the incident.
(For the record, Ann Althouse on Scott Lemieux of LGM:
I must admit - that did astound me.
Whew.
Nah, that's north of Syracuse. Maybe 150 miles.
Math is HARD!
And I'm just a girl! Giggle!
At first I wondered about Missouri Bird's comment yesterday ... then I figured it had to be someone who knew me ... too weird.
Did anyone else catch that?
chi dyke, the sad truth is that the kind of person you envision would never get elected president. Damn, I'm not even sure if Gore will win a general election, even though it just seems right that he should be president.
I can forgive Hillary, as I can forgive 96 other senators who voted for the war. About the only one I can't forgive is Loserman. If she becomes the nominee I hope you will be able to support her as well.
What could she have done to stop them from the invasion?
tbsa
Grown the kind of juevos it takes to think and act for one's self at all times, no matter what.
Oh, wait--if she did that, she'd never be into politics...
I did however just finish planting two sixpacks of celery...
GWPDA, yclept Shouty-Crackers
I had no idea celery seed came in six packs.
Does anyone have a link for that Terry Moran quote, or was it parody?
Beirut has been known as the Paris of the ME for many years. Very sophisticated city. Very beautiful. The destruction of it AGAIN is unforgivable.
Alas....
.
'missing the point and trashing Will Bunch in the process--and so it was removed.
Wannabeanona '
jeez, I wish positive reactions would counterbalance the stooopid.
ChiDyke, I think Hillary has been a good senator, and don't like her going along with the war but then Senator Yarborough didn't manage to stop Vietnam either. And didn't make it his career when that wasn't what he was elcted for.
The problem with the Brian Williams segment was that he was too dense to see the irony in the media over-reporting the death of Anna Nichole Smith, and the death of a Marine in Iraq.
I will never forgive Hillary. She just wanted to run around up front on the war issue and it backfired on her. Now she backpedals.
Anyone who supported the giggling chimp should be tossed out of office, IMHO
Look, there's only one reason why so many of us knew that the reasons for the war were trumped up, if not out-and-out fabricated, and yet so many presidential hopefuls voted for the war:
They chose to practice politics rather than challenge the administration.
It's a sad state of affairs when political considerations outweigh what's truly best for America.
GWPDA,
Your eyes changed from Brown to green to gold? Cool. I started out with blue but now they are emerald green. Not sure if they will change in the future. It is interesting though.
Yeah, Diane met a tall guy and married him. But whenever societal expectations meet physical differentiation there are problems.
If there is a god and if I ever get a chance to ask the questions that have been burning within me for my entire lifetime, asking about why we find some people attractive is right at the top of the list.
Does anyone have a link for that Terry Moran quote, or was it parody?
masculine_monica_nyc
No shit - that's been posted over and over and never a link included. I don't believe that it's real at all.
http://www.lucasgray.com/video/ p...peacetrain.html
Terry C, Pelosi Fan
That was fantastic
Deacon Blues
And Bush Co. wants to destroy it all.
Frankly, I didn't see any horns or tails on those folks, did you?
We've actually cooked tonigh. Pork chops, baked potato and crudite with a vinegrette & garlic dressing.
And red wine.
Ciao.
Grown the kind of juevos it takes to think and act for one's self at all times, no matter what.
She could have grown the biggest set on the planet, but unless she had enough votes to stop bush, nothing would be different, absolutely nothing. She should have done things differently no question. If she is the nominee I will vote for her.
I still haven't been convinced Wellstone's death wasn't to silence him. He would have made the Senate openly debate the Iraq War before giving Bush authorization. He was the single biggest obstacle for them starting it, and he was about to be re-elected.
Terry,
I'm going to post that. It does a better job than anything else I've ever seen of putting a human face on this war.
Everytime I go slumming at Althouse's site, I become more and more stunned that she is a law professor, and I am trapped in a job that I hate.
And I'm just a girl! Giggle!
[twirls hair around finger]
Shiny! Pretty!
'Pretty quiet (and warm) here in America's Glans™ tonight.
Sinfonian, 200 hits a day |'
my sister and bil moved their RV down to Homestead, FL a few days before the tornadoes tore up the central areas where they had been staying. Is that near you?
We're having fried chicken and mac and cheese
And Bush Co. wants to destroy it all.
Frankly, I didn't see any horns or tails on those folks, did you?
Terry C, Pelosi Fan
If by "those folks" you mean Bush Co... just look a little more closely.
My 18-month-old daughter (today's her half-birthday) called my ex-wife's boyfriend "Daddy" right in front of me.
I'm trying to deal with it by realizing that kids that age think all men are "Daddy." But it still sucks.
psst...
Is it okay to come in?
The problem with the Brian Williams segment was that he was too dense to see the irony
What do you expect from a hack who says it's his patriotic duty to listen to Rush Limbaugh every day?
Terry,
I'm going to post that. It does a better job than anything else I've ever seen of putting a human face on this war.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I forget which Eschatonian posted that...it may have been pie...but it makes a point.
Raw story headline:
Democratic Armed Services Chairman issues aggressive statement on Iran ...
Wow , this is great . Michael Gordon acting as Judy Miller's Proxy Stenog. blathers a lot of nonsense from the White House about how Iran is the cause of all the problems in Iraq, ( cause the US certainly didn't have any role in that...) and here a Democrat on the Armed services committee write a nice angry letter Bolstering and Buying in .
House Armed Services Chairman Ike Skelton (D-MO) ...Do we know if he has a History of enabling Rethug War-Drumming?
If it is in fact the case that the guy reads some NYT and makes aggressive noises on Federal Stationary , therefore adding it's considerable weight to the foreign policy dialogue , without first checking to see whose filthy fingerprints were ( anonymously) all over it , he should be loudly mocked .
"I strongly condemn anyone who produces, distributes, or uses improvised explosive devices or other deadly weapons against U.S. troops. "
Did we all see this, then?
Just to remind us how stiff and fat and inappropriate Our Al is?
I had no idea celery seed came in six packs.
I usually just get a keg...
What could she have done to stop them from the invasion?
She could have hitched up her girdle and gotten honest. She had to know better.
First off, I would like to state categorically, for the record, that I am not the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby. I wish to have my name stricken from this nations first, and hopefully last, class action paternity suit. Thank you.
My 18-month-old daughter (today's her half-birthday) called my ex-wife's boyfriend "Daddy" right in front of me.
Ai-yah. :-(
If by "those folks" you mean Bush Co... just look a little more closely.
Deacon Blues
Oh, Bush Co. definitely have horns and tails.
They just know how to hide it.
Beautiful, Richard! Where is that coastline?
On the Sibley penisula on the Canadian side of Lake Superior. The rock formation is known as the Sleeping Giant...
http://
www.thefriendsofsleepingg...pk_locn_hrs.htm
ql in ny | Homepage | 02.10.07 - 6:22 pm
well said.
It really gets me that there are some figures who get vilified equally by both sides. It must be hell in the middle of the crossfire like that.
There's an almost visceral dislike on the left as well as the right - and that's some fucked up shit. Don't agree with her - but quit the fuck hating on Hilary Clinton all the damn time.
Is it okay to come in?
Hetero puke! RMJ! Bibles! Ass! Soup!
I'm trying to deal with it by realizing that kids that age think all men are "Daddy." But it still sucks.
Sinfonian, 200 hits a day
Ouch. Man, that's gotta hurt.
I'm trying to deal with it by realizing that kids that age think all men are "Daddy." But it still sucks.
Harsh toke. I've had kids call me Daddy before in front of their folks and it always made me embarrassed. Sorry, man.
my sister and bil moved their RV down to Homestead, FL a few days before the tornadoes tore up the central areas where they had been staying. Is that near you?
Ruth
I'm closer to Homestead than to the tornado-struck areas, Ruth. I live between West Palm Beach and Fort Lauderdale.
However, one of the tornadoes destroyed homes literally around the corner from where I lived from 1999 to 2001, in DeLand, FL (not too far from Daytona Beach).
I still haven't been convinced Wellstone's death wasn't to silence him. He would have made the Senate openly debate the Iraq War before giving Bush authorization. He was the single biggest obstacle for them starting it, and he was about to be re-elected.
puppethead
Wellstone was well on his way to losing the 2002 election. He had originally promised not to run again, and then reneged. It was going to cost him. I had this argument with the not-lamented Jerome at mydd. My humble O is that Wellstone would not have won reelection (and I'm here in MN and Jerome wasn't) so nothing you posit would have come to pass anyway.
And Macs still suck, too.
Hetero puke! RMJ! Bibles! Ass! Soup!
Oh, that's a good idea: adding Bibles to your ass soup! I should try that...
My 18-month-old daughter (today's her half-birthday) called my ex-wife's boyfriend "Daddy" right in front of me.
Ouch. Sorry, a chara.
Don't agree with her - but quit the fuck hating on Hilary Clinton all the damn time.
Tena
Werd!
Your eyes changed from Brown to green to gold? Cool. I started out with blue but now they are emerald green. Not sure if they will change in the future. It is interesting though.
Well, given that my complexion and colouring is fairly dark as well, there are some suspicions about my origins regarding that little issue, but I seldom bring it up in mixed company....
Off to play with my Doggie!
.
Wellstone was well on his way to losing the 2002 election.
I'm in MN too and think you're dead wrong. As did all of the state political analysts.
House Armed Services Chairman Ike Skelton (D-MO) ...Do we know if he has a History of enabling Rethug War-Drumming?
Who are his campaign donors? Is AIPAC one of them?
I've had kids call me Daddy before in front of their folks and it always made me embarrassed.
My kids say "I miss Uncle Todd! He smells interesting!"
Did we all see this, then?
Just to remind us how stiff and fat and inappropriate Our Al is?
GWPDA, yclept Shouty-Crackers
http://thumbsnap.com/v/n25fu7x7.jpg
==============================
There's an almost visceral dislike on the left as well as the right - and that's some fucked up shit. Don't agree with her - but quit the fuck hating on Hilary Clinton all the damn time.
Tena
WORD!
would like to state categorically, for the record, that I am not the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby. I wish to have my name stricken from this nations first, and hopefully last, class action paternity suit.
I'm waiting to hear from my lawyer. I hope that baby girl grows up healthy and safe and eager to eat the motherfucking media fuckdolls alive.
Ass! Soup!
Ass soup? Is it Sunday already?
Fuck Hillary, "Any way the wind blows" Clinton
Hetero puke! RMJ! Bibles! Ass! Soup!
Thers
I was gonna tell you that Portastatic's in town tonight.
I'd go, but it's all the way over in Minneapolis.
Wellstone was well on his way to losing the 2002 election.
Incorrect.
I'll test out the Pelosi plane issue when I visit my fundie parents tomorrow.
If they act like this is some kind of gotcha scandal, I'll know more work has to be done.
My kids say "I miss Uncle Todd! He smells interesting!"
Kid always love winos.
Demanding ideological/historical purity usually results in circular firing squads. Hillary hatred is the perfect example on our side. (Luckily there's plenty in the Republic Party as well.)
The Pro Bowl on CBS is not in Hi Def. WTF kind of chickenshit operation they running there?
Gore Kills in that video . The guy has Stage skill now ...
Would never thought he could pull it off .
Hey, how about a fresh pic of Venus and Mercury?
I'll test out the Pelosi plane issue when I visit my fundie parents tomorrow.
Ask them why our government even has such a luxury plane in the first place.
Don't agree with her - but quit the fuck hating on Hilary Clinton all the damn time.
People here seem to be talking about the Clintoris's policy positions. I don't see that as hating on her, which is what the fuckdolls in the traditional media do.
My humble O is that Wellstone would not have won reelection (and I'm here in MN and Jerome wasn't) so nothing you posit would have come to pass anyway.
Nah, I disagree.
Some Boschwitz-ian smear was going to come up right before the election; and it would've backfired.
BTW, I used to drive Paul's brother around for Metro Mobility. Sweet, sweet guy. Lives in a mansion in Tangletown.
My kids say "I miss Uncle Todd! He smells interesting!"
Thers
;lol:;lol:
Is it wrong of me to say that that is very believable, even though I have yet to meet NTodd in physical space?
Goddamn it, if Gore doesn't run, I'm going to find him myself and go all Jack Bauer on him until he changes his mind.
The country is ready for him. He'd win in a landslide.
I'm in MN too and think you're dead wrong. As did all of the state political analysts.
puppethead
Mondale lost. The polls were too close to call. It was a sweep for the Repubs everywhere. The people I talk to everyday who are pretty damned good bellweathers all were voting against Wellstone.
Jerome was a political analyst, too. Ever look at his record? It is to laugh.
In fairness he had a lot of company (kos for example) in 2002--the Year of Democratic Wishful Thinking. Till the night of the election, that is.
Sorry you bought into it.
it's dinner and movie time, so i'll just end with this- look at those who did oppose the war before it began, and those who were wishy washy. the CBC is a good place to start: most of them still have their jobs, and now the seniority to chair commitees and whatnot. the republican-lite dems? not so much. if inarticulate black folks representing a bunch of uneducated, unclean negroes understood that opposing the war made sense, surely the wife of the most powerful democratic man in america could do so.
yeah, i'll vote for her. but trust me- she will let us down if elected. perhaps not on critical issues like choice or gay rights, but she's showing every sign of being a believer in the US "right" to make war on brown people with oil, even if her version will be "gentler."
later, beautiful people. thanks for keepin it real.
If ideological purity means prevention of the deaths of 3000 + American soldiers and who knows how many Iraqui civilians then I am all for ideological purity.
Stuff Hillary with the corncob of your choice. She's never getting my vote.
Wait - The Canadian Broadcasting Company was involved?
.
Shiny! Pretty!
watertiger |
And I know you have one of those pictures from the speech bush gave when he got distracted by the shiny, moving object hanging in ...
The country is ready for [Gore]. He'd win in a landslide.
I won't vote for him. He's doing good work now, outside government. We're best off with Gore there.
Mondale lost. The polls were too close to call. It was a sweep for the Repubs everywhere. The people I talk to everyday who are pretty damned good bellweathers all were voting against Wellstone.
To be fair, Mondale was running as Wellstone, not Mondale. I think that's a big reason why he lost.
Goddamn it, if Gore doesn't run, I'm going to find him myself and go all Jack Bauer on him until he changes his mind.
The country is ready for him. He'd win in a landslide.
Sinfonian, 200 hits a day
So nice to be here: I hardly ever have to say anything. Good job, Sinfonian.
I won't vote for him. He's doing good work now, outside government. We're best off with Gore there.
masculine_monica_nyc
I disagree wholeheartedly ... but that's what makes politics interesting, isn't it?
Nah, I disagree.
Some Boschwitz-ian smear was going to come up right before the election; and it would've backfired.
BTW, I used to drive Paul's brother around for Metro Mobility. Sweet, sweet guy. Lives in a mansion in Tangletown.
Zap Rowsdower, Sorta
The polls IIRC were to close to call. EVERY SINGLE ELECTION swung 5 points or more for the Repubs that year over the polls. Why was Wellstone so special (ans: he wasn't)?
We'll never know for sure. But I'd bet a lot on it.
Used to drive by Paul's bro's house a lot when I lived on Lyndale and 46th.
Mondale lost.
Oh jebus, what a foolish thing to hang your argument on. Mondale had less than a week to campaign after coming out of retirement, with a single debate against slickery Norm in the middle of the day so no-one saw it. On top of everything there was the completely ginned-up faux outrage over Wellstone's Memorial raging in the corporate media, which wouldn't have existed had he not died.
Stuff Hillary with the corncob of your choice. She's never getting my vote.
The Jester
You should hold all dems who voted for it accountable then. No matter what you say, the dems did NOT have the power to stop bush from invading period. Spin it however you want, that's just a fact!
I disagree wholeheartedly ... but that's what makes politics interesting, isn't it?
Si si.
Here is what Al Gore said about Saddam and WMD in September 2002:
We know that he has stored away secret supplies of biological weapons and chemical weapons throughout his country. ...
The president should be authorized to take action to deal with Saddam Hussein as being in material breach of the terms of the truce and therefore a continuing threat to the security of the region. To this should be added that his continued pursuit of weapons of mass destruction is potentially a threat to the vital interests of the United States.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...text092302.html
That speech was an anti-unilateralism speech, not an anti-war speech.
Thanks, DWD. But your voice is valuable, too!
tbsa, if the Dems had real balls they could stop it. The Congress controls the pursestrings. Cut off funding for new aggresion there and we'd have something. Too bad most of the Dem reps are milquetoasts instead of he-men (or she-women)
?Stuff Hillary with the corncob of your choice. She's never getting my vote.
The Jester
You should hold all dems who voted for it accountable then. No matter what you say, the dems did NOT have the power to stop bush from invading period. Spin it however you want, that's just a fact!
tbsa
No, they didn't, and it was a different atmosphere both politically and socially in 2002. For obvious reasons. And CooCoo's approvals were through the fucking roof and we were irrelevant to the whole country, boys and girls. No one cared what we were saying.
Things have changed, a whole hell of a lot.
Really! It is time to be on my way.....
sheets, btw
House Armed Services Chairman Ike Skelton (D-MO) ...Do we know if he has a History of enabling Rethug War-Drumming?
Answering my own question, here are Skelton's major campaign contributors...
http://www.opensecrets.org/1998o...b/
N00005105.htm
The top three are Boeing, Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin. General Dynamics is #8. Military contactor galore.
No AIPAC, however.
Oh jebus, what a foolish thing to hang your argument on. Mondale had less than a week to campaign after coming out of retirement, with a single debate against slickery Norm in the middle of the day so no-one saw it. On top of everything there was the completely ginned-up faux outrage over Wellstone's Memorial raging in the corporate media, which wouldn't have existed had he not died.
puppethead
You'll notice I am not hanging my argument on it. If you go back and read you will notice there is considerably more to it.
You, on the other hand, are using the Wellstone funeral to support your argument that Paul woulda won--WTF?? And, Mondale had only a week to campaign but certainly he is well respected in MN and there MUST have been some sort of sympathy vote.
We'll never know for sure, but I'd stack my ability to smell the wind against yours any time. That's what it boils down to for both of us.
(I should tell you, in the interests of full disclosure, that I called the '72 election for McGovern. But I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.)
Of course the debate over Wellstone being re-elected is moot. And if you feed into my conspiracy theory, Cheney would want Wellstone taken out as insurance, couldn't risk him staying in the Senate. It's funny how it's always Bush family members around when Democrats die in mysterious ways.
Answering my own question, here are Skelton's major campaign contributors...
The top three are Boeing, Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin. General Dynamics is #8. Military contactor galore.'
Dude , your wrists of lightening have me in awe, since I'm floundering around looking for campaign donations sites and getting sidetracked by other horrid revelations
( ...fuckin Patrick McHenry, little prick ) ...
Nicely found and so ,Mr. Skeleton is the first man out of the barn on 'Our' side ,championing using up some of that Huge stockpile of weapons they just have to use up (and for which He Gets Paid ...huh, weird...)
Thanks Richard, I think he's stinky as hell in this , reagardless of Aipac ATM access or not .
I thinks we keeps our eyes on him for the next few rounds.
Y'know, I know the tumbling "radiation" symbol while you burned a CD in iTunes was cheesey -- but I loved it.
Terry C, thanks for re-posting "Peace Train".
I didn't try to catch up on all the comments, so pardon me if this has already been said. I thought about how much Michael Moore pissed off the warmongers by including some gentle footage of Iraq before the invasion in "Fahrenheit 9/11".
The myth, the social fantasy of warmongery, requires the enemy to be maximally demonized and rendered unsympathetic. Without such anasthesia, how can a populace generate the necessary support and goodwill for the carnage to come? So Moore's plain images of Iraqi citizens behaving like families and enjoying good times infuriated the wingnuts and reactionary elements.
They resorted to their familiar projection in attacking the unconscionable and taboo images by sneering that Moore was trying to fool everybody into thinking that Saddam's Iraq was a pleasant, delightful place to live-- no better than pro-Saddam propaganda, in their eyes. They'll say the same things about Iran.
The acendancy of women in politics, OTOH, just scares the crap outa the Good Ol'Boyz.
Game over, Control Freaks...
Your eyes changed from Brown to green to gold? Cool. I started out with blue but now they are emerald green. Not sure if they will change in the future. It is interesting though.
Well, given that my complexion and colouring is fairly dark as well, there are some suspicions about my origins regarding that little issue, but I seldom bring it up in mixed company....
To watch the
Black gold man
Turn from black
To gold to
Black again
~
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