I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Howdy again, folkses.
Money!
Megan McCardle is one of life's enduring ANNOYANCES. Along with Jonah Goldberg.
Two major wastes of time, space and oxygen.
No win but a place.
I know it's important to debunk wingnut disinformation, but wow, that one is WAY into the weeds...
Sheetsgate.
While it was always a farce, just a way to kick the can down the road another six months, at least during those years there was some sense that something needed to change in Iraq.
Now it's just static and stagnant. We're there. We're staying. That's it.
Pretty much. A very cynical game they've played, now we're in so far it's easy to make the argument that we can't get out now. Heads they win, tails we all lose.
I have no idea what this post about.
First of all, to blogger NutellaonToast who characterized the exchange between Megan McArdle and me as a "catfight": cut out the dumbass sexist bullshit right now, please
*loses interest in possible mudwrestling match*
is about
I have no idea what this post about.
leibniz♘☮
I never read the cats posts.
Alright...this post convinced me to get off of my ass and do some cleaning.
Later.
part of the instapundit crew or circle as it were that should clear up at least part of the mystery
Oh, it's another monopsony thread!
I never read the cats posts.
Does anyone read any of the posts?
No mystery, in light of the Golden Rule--the one about, He who has the gold, makes the rules.
Alright...this post convinced me to get off of my ass and do some cleaning.
Later.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas | Homepage | 04.26.08 - 1:35 pm
It's past my bed time already and this one was one to put my head on the pillow.
MonopsonyGate
I have no idea what this post about.
leibniz♘☮ | 04.26.08 - 1:34 pm | #
Megan McCardle is an ignorant twit
a typical libertarian
that is to say, half-wit
she tried to to use
a "theorem" by Coase
to puff up some drivel
that was typically verbose
but suffice it to say
she didn't understand it at all
because libertarians brains
are efficiently small.
Why is it that anytime someone writes about economics my eyes want to roll back into my head?
Why is it that anytime someone writes about economics my eyes want to roll back into my head?
Don't hate me because I'm a mathlete!
Is Kathy G. any relation to Kenny G?
I think the upshot of Kathy G.'s post is that McArdle was caught pulling shit out of her ass again, and in rebuttal to that, she pulled even more shit out of her ass.
I was told there would be no math on this thread.
mmm Nutella on Toast... aghaghagh
40 U.S. military deaths in Iraq this month.
We've passed the total for the last two months, and equaled January's total.
Looks like the effect of the surge is on its way out.
This economics shit sounds like it never works in real life.
...adding that while the term "preference maximization" is occasionally used, it's a rather bad and misleading substitute for "utility maximization."
Oh, well that cleared things up! Thanks!
Just in the past couple of months, you've been busted for your writings on the Coase theorem, on monopsony (which I link to above), and (by Henry Farrell) on revealed preference
Yeah. Put her in handcuffs!!
I hate to interrupt this exciting thread about economics theory blogging, but I've watched There Will Be Blood a couple additional times this past week and I have to say that the score is stuck on a loop in my head. I'm going to have to buy it now. I am such a sucker for minimalism.
I am such a sucker for minimalism.
r€nato, sprung
You should try the score to No Country for Old Men.
I haven't been this stunned since I quit trying to read Camille Paglia.
Them as have all, gets all.
Megan McCardle is one of life's enduring mysteries.
But she was endearing in Annie!
monopsony - a market where there is one buyer and many sellers.
Annie was annoying, not endearing.
You should try the score to No Country for Old Men.
Just watched that. How did they come across David Diliberto as an associate producer?
But she was endearing in Annie!
JeffCO
That's Andrea McCardle.
Isn't it astounding, what those two films share?
Both were filmed at least in part near Marfa, Texas... just over the hill from one another, same time of year.
Both have similar 'leave you hanging' endings.
Both heavily nominated for the Oscars.
Sparse, minimalist soundtracks.
I could go on. It's as if they were separated at birth.
NTodd maximization is taking the country by storm.
you know what I understand about economics?
DRAINAGE! DRRRRRRAAAAAAINAGE!
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE! SLUUUUURRRRRRP!!! I DRINK IT UP!!!!
It's sunny, and the squirrels are partying.
er, r€nato, um, Old Country didn't have a soundtrack. I mean, music.
A very cynical game they've played, now we're in so far it's easy to make the argument that we can't get out now. Heads they win, tails we all lose. r€nato
Cf. the sunk cost fallacy.
I knew that Moe.... :-0
Poor Atrios. Economists can't get any love.
Nothing more minimal than nothing.
Rather, *No Country*....
simels does whatever the fuck simels wants to do.
That's Andrea McCardle. Gomez
why would you publicize having no sense of humor?
NTodd,
That Classroom 2.0 thing looks kind of cool, doesn't it? No Scrabble, though.
Poor Atrios. Economists can't get any love.
Molly Ivors
They can. But only in tiny units.
Just an aside on this whole Megan McArdle economist thing
/blogwhore
ah, my meeting is starting, just 15 minutes late...
er, r€nato, um, Old Country didn't have a soundtrack. I mean, music.
two songs in the credits, IIRC. and something playing while those rolled. It did sound like something DiLiberto would play on his radio show, but I don't know why they would give him such a fancy title.
Please help italians! We have Silvio Berlusconi again! Please do something! Invade Italy!
http://ilpopolosovrano.splinder.com/
McStain don't know much about economics, but he'll have wise heads surrounding him.
Have mimi call Interpol.
Nothing more minimal than nothing.
I drink your lack of a milkshake.
Ciao Ermes, parto per Italia il 5 giugno... passo qualche settimana in Umbria con parenti ed i genitori...
why would you publicize having no sense of humor?
JeffCO
I think my gravatar is very fucking funny.
Have mimi call Interpol.
She did. They told her there's no I in threesome.
Please help italians! We have Silvio Berlusconi again! Please do something! Invade Italy!
I'd be glad to invade Italy if they would, like, give me an apartment in San Gimignano or something.
I think my gravatar is very fucking funny. Gomez
Looks like recycled humor to me.
Hey, it's Megan McArdle and her Jonah-like ability to pratfall again and again without shame. My Atlantic subscription lapses in a few months, guys... time to impress me....
That Classroom 2.0 thing looks kind of cool, doesn't it? No Scrabble, though.
It does, good potential, 'specially the wiki.
please send euros, Ermes... our currency is barely worth wiping one's ass with.
shit, even the lira is looking pretty good compared to the dollar.
She did. They told her there's no I in threesome.
But there is a 'u' in foursome.
I drink your lack of a milkshake.
I no longer think about not drinking the milkshake you no longer have.
Looks like recycled humor to me.
JeffCO
There is no new humor.
Snowbird Alert!
MIAMI - Authorities are questioning a 73-year-old driver who sped through a security gate at Miami International Airport and ended up on one of the main runways.
The man has not been identified. Police say he may have been disoriented when he drove passed security Friday morning.
He was quickly detained by police.
Hey, it's Megan McArdle and her Jonah-like ability to pratfall again and again without shame.
You're just jealous b/c she's chevy chase and you're not.
Police say he may have been disoriented when he drove passed security Friday morning.
must be a lot of that in Florida, I'm sure they give a license to anybody regardless of their fitness to drive.
MIAMI - Authorities are questioning a 73-year-old driver who sped through a security gate at Miami International Airport and ended up on one of the main runways.
Anyone see simels lately?
You're just jealous b/c she's chevy chase and you're not.
JeffCO
Ahem.
Economificat-- er, economifization- um economic-ifying... ah..
figuring out that money stuff is hard work!
drove passed
That mistake is really sad.
There is no new humor. Gomez
Well, not in Steeltown, no.
MIAMI - Authorities are questioning a 73-year-old driver who sped through a security gate at Miami International Airport and ended up on one of the main runways.
don't the snowbirds all clear out before spring break? my parents went back north a month ago.
drove passed
wow I didn't catch that. Sad indeed.
Molly Ivors rulez, everyone else on this thread droolz.
Many snowbirds lose the ability to fly after landing in Florida.
Well, not in Steeltown, no.
JeffCO
Recycled humor. I waiting for new stuff. *taps foot*
oh, and my twitter says some eighteen-wheeler smashed into an el station in Chicago.
oh, and my twitter says some eighteen-wheeler smashed into an el station in Chicago
I know the el station survived.
Molly Ivors rulez, everyone else on this thread droolz.
Horndog.
drove passed
See what happens when people rely on spell check? Too bad there's no grammar check, or you know, editors.
You'd think AP could afford editors.
JeffCO, Broncos fan?
I know the el station survived.
According to this, part of it collapsed. Two dead, seventeen injured.
well at least they are *using* spell check. A lot of folks can't even be bothered to do that.
Horndog.
She was the only person who clicked my most recent blogwhore.
or you know, editors.
You're so 20th century.
Wait until Sinfonian, who just patted me on the head for almost caching up, realizes i kjust played a 94 point work on him.
well at least they are *using* spell check. A lot of folks can't even be bothered to do that.
r€nato, sprung
I blew this month's budget on gravatars.
She was the only person who clicked my most recent blogwhore.
I commented, too!
You're just jealous b/c she's chevy chase and you're not.
JeffCO
JeffCO, you ignorant slut.
This economics shit sounds like it never works in real life.
Gomez
if you hold x constant then...
well, it what world is x constant? drove me batty.
I prefer accounting.
According to this, part of it collapsed. Two dead, seventeen injured.
theo. of athens, more caption | Homepage | 04.26.08 - 2:00 pm |
Saw it on the TV this morning. The semi went right up the escelator. The people killed were on it at the time.
Southern Beale and Molly Ivors are the two best people in the blogosphere.
oh, and my twitter says some eighteen-wheeler smashed into an el station in Chicago.
Twitter?
According to this, part of it collapsed. Two dead, seventeen injured.
theo. of athens, more caption
Which one? I lived in Chi town for 3 years.
Safari has included spellcheck, but it blows and has no sense of humor.
Both accounting and economics use math, which puts them more or less out of my reach.
But I'm better off than my students, who couldn't manage the few calculations in A Modest Proposal this week.
Safari has included spellcheck, but it blows and has no sense of humor.
plantsman
Apparently I don't either because I'm from Pittsburgh.
JeffCO, Broncos fan? Gomez
For me there is only the '79 Steelers.
Kraphammer:
Would you maintain friendly relations with an unrepentant terrorist? Would you even shake his hand? To ask why Obama does is perfectly legitimate and perfectly relevant to understanding what manner of man he is.
I wish Rummy hadn't of shook hands with the world's evilest turrist and told him it was OK to invade Kuwait.
I'm better off than my students, who couldn't manage the few calculations in A Modest Proposal this week.
What, roast a baby for 30 minutes at 420, then reduce to 320 for 9 minutes per pound?
For me there is only the '79 Steelers.
JeffCO
The 78 Steelers were better.
Let's drive Krauthammer's HoverRound off a short pier.
Hamas just "Endorsed" Obama X for President. If this isn't the final nail in the coffin, it'll do for now. McCain is now 99.99% elected. Elected. Game.Set.Match.
But I'm better off than my students, who couldn't manage the few calculations in A Modest Proposal this week.
1+1-3=2.
Which one? I lived in Chi town for 3 years.
Gomez | 04.26.08 - 2:02 pm | #
China town.
Twitter?
jesus, how many blogs do you have?
somebody also sent me an SMS this morning saying "Guess who this is?",
but I figure that's only news to me and the person who text-messaged the wrong number.
Nah, Swift does all these calculations about how many babies there are, how many women will miscarry, how many can afford to take care of their kids, how many you reserve for breeding, etc.
It's simple subtraction, but they were foxed by it.
No, auggie, the election is in November.
Have more Cheetos.
McCain is now 99.99% elected. Elected. Game.Set.Match.
Well, I guess we can call off the election then!
The 78 Steelers were better. Gomez
I was surprised and delighted when they drafted Willie Stargell.
Well, I guess we can call off the election then!
NTodd, TKPD
Good. It is during football season.
I have no idea who Megan McCardle is, but I read the post, and she sounds just like Mimi.
I was surprised and delighted when they drafted Willie Stargell.
JeffCO
But they wouldn't let him use his bat during games.
Is she a supermodel?
Bush administration opposes Democrats' mortgage relief bill
Story Highlights
House Democrats' plan to help homeowners expected to face White House scrutiny
Rep. Barney Frank wants to make it easier for home re-financing, avoid foreclosures
Bush administration "strongly opposes" Frank's plan, calls bill a "bailout"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS...gage/
index.html
Bush will be a dick to the bitter end.
Well, I guess we can call off the election then!
For all intent and purposes you could. It really is an exercise in futility at this point for Hussein Obama X.
Southern Beale and Molly Ivors are the two best people in the blogosphere. The Kenosha Kid
Good point.
I don't our country run by some foxy rich chick like Cindy. She leads McStain around like some fucking house pet.
For all intent and purposes you could. It really is an exercise in futility at this point for Hussein Obama X.
auggiesback
That will save McCain having to raise money. BTW how much has he raised?
It really is an exercise in futility at this point for Hussein Obama X.
Reality called. She said it's her, not you. And she'd like her ABBA tapes back.
Am I to believe that nobody has compiled recordings of Felice and Boudreaux Bryant playing their own compositions?
Seems unthinkable. Tell me I'm wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Fel...oudleaux_Bryant
It really is an exercise in futility at this point for Hussein Obama X.
Yes, we should all put our faith in President Matlock J. Depends.
I don't our country run by some foxy rich chick like Cindy. She leads McStain around like some fucking house pet.
Lime Rickey
I bet she makes a lot of noise.
I have no idea who Megan McCardle is, but I read the post, and she sounds just like Mimi.
Finny
She's living proof that any over-educated snot born on the Upper Whatever Side can pull herself up by her own bootstraps.
But they wouldn't let him use his bat during games. Gomez
That's a ridiculous stereotype, you racist bastard!
BTW how much has he raised?
Seven dollars.
He's feeding his campaign workers stale peanut brittle and dusty ribbon candy.
"Want" was left out for some unknown reason.
I bet she makes a lot of noise.
Gomez
Nah, when she's zonked out on downers, she just lays there.
He's feeding his campaign workers stale peanut brittle and dusty ribbon candy.
McCain: "A Fruit Roll-Up in every pot."
I don't our country run by some foxy rich chick like Cindy.
What's you're position on Foxy Brown?
MMMmmmm... positioning Foxy Brown... auauaughghghghghgh
He's feeding his campaign workers stale peanut brittle and dusty ribbon candy.
"These Werther's Originals are pure McCain!"
-Tweety
"I'm ensuring the preference maximization of prince albert piercings"-David Broder
money talk make brain hurt
rightwingnut speak going unquestioned in the NYT:
“The public, week by week, is becoming more familiar with his big-government, far-left vision for America,” said Ed Patru, a spokesman for Freedom’s Watch, an advocacy organization that is portraying Mr. Obama as ultraliberal in an advertisement running in Louisiana before a special election for a House seat.
obama is an ULTRALIBERAL...WTF is that?
hey NYT, Fuck You!
That's a ridiculous stereotype, you racist bastard!
JeffCO
I apologize. I forget that baseball players have a long sad history of discrimination that I have to be more sensitive to.
obama is an ULTRALIBERAL...WTF is that?
Lock them in a room with Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky.
Y'know, I've never had the urge to roll back the clock and be an economics major.
What's you're position on Foxy Brown?
The 70's version or the more recent one?
She's living proof that any over-educated snot born on the Upper Whatever Side can pull herself up by her own bootstraps.
don't tug the prada.
portraying Mr. Obama as ultraliberal
I wish.
I wish Rummy hadn't of shook hands with the world's evilest turrist and told him it was OK to invade Kuwait.
Lime Rickey
Even worse.
Saddam felt suddenly in need of a shower after shaking the hand of terrorist Rummy.
I apologize. I forget that baseball players have a long sad history of discrimination that I have to be more sensitive to. Gomez
you're just frightened by the thought of a black guy with a bat.
Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky.
Zinn & Chomsky, good name for a restaurant
you're just frightened by the thought of a black guy with a bat.
JeffCO
No. I've seen Blacula 50 times.
The 70's version or the more recent one? Gomez
Pfft - Pam Grier would drink her milkshake.
[lost in thought]
No. I've seen Blacula 50 times. Gomez
Ok, I take back the sense of humor comment, Dr. Funkenstein.
two songs in the credits, IIRC. and something playing while those rolled. It did sound like something DiLiberto would play on his radio show, but I don't know why they would give him such a fancy title.
Joseph Turner White: What's an associate producer credit?
Bill Smith: It's what you give to your secretary instead of a raise.
From "State and Main"
He's feeding his campaign workers stale peanut brittle and dusty ribbon candy.
But an open bar and barbi for the press.
Ok, I take back the sense of humor comment, Dr. Funkenstein.
JeffCO
*blows on nails*
Jargon makes My Eyes Glaze Over.
and barbi for the press.
He's pimping his wife to the press?
Oh, wait, you said barbi, not Barbie.
BREAKING: BRETT FAVRE HAS OFFICIALLY RETIRED
*sobs*
Jargon makes My Eyes Glaze Over.
Rmj, Bitter Theologist
That draft pick was a "reach", Mel.
Mmmmmm... glazed jargon... auauauaughghghghgh
I hope he makes more movies!
Did they keep playing football after Tom Landry retired?
BREAKING: BRETT FAVRE HAS OFFICIALLY RETIRED
We'll roll the stone back on the third day, and find that He has risen, to a better place with no idiot end-of-game interceptions.
Did they keep playing football after Tom Landry retired?
Rmj, Bitter Theologist
Yes. But it was not the same w/o Mr. Excitement.
Mel Kiper sometimes criticizes running backs for being "not tight enough in the hips"
The Longshoremen get it. Hello, Congress???
'ello.
Did I miss anything?
profits are up
and the workers ground down
the economy is booming
so don't wear a frown
leading indicators show
that efficiency pays
and we're all getting freer
each and every day
so rationally maximize
each girl and boy
you've got a market value
like a bushel of soy
and if you don't have
the cash needed to eat
well the value of your life
don't mean much on the Street
Pfft - Pam Grier would drink her milkshake.
They should have used Gina Torres.
Military gets sued for being religious nuts:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/2...PbXsIDh9GR/
qtfg
(((V4V!!!)))
How was your tour of the southeast?
Speaking of Klaus Barbie.
Did I miss anything?
V for Virginia, I'M bitter
Only the Greatest Football Player Evah has officially retired, that's all.
Good for the longshoremen!
V- welcome back. Please don't be bitter.
They should have used Gina Torres.
I remember her from such shows as Xena, Hercules, and Firefly.
V4V - make your fucking move.
V- welcome back. Please don't be bitter. qlª
Bitter? I only just met her!
There's nothing mysterious about Jonah Goldberg...he's Wingnut Welfare of the highest order who advocates that others of his age go fight in a war that he cheerleads, while he himself would never think of volunteering for.
I remember her from such shows as Xena, Hercules, and Firefly.
I remember her from my wildest dreams.
McCain is a man who told the folks in Youngstown, Ohio — where most of the working single mothers cannot make it above the poverty line — that the answer to their problems is larger tax deductions. Talk about being out of touch!
I remember her from such shows as Xena, Hercules, and Firefly.
She was also in the surprisingly unfunny "I Think I Love My Wife."
Bitter? I only just met her!
Are you here all week? Should I tip my waitron?
Smart moms don't let their children die for their country. You'd never catch Lucianne Goldberg making a bonehead mistake like that.
Lucianne Goldberg also chose Jif.
V- welcome back. Please don't be bitter.
qlª
I was bitter, but I'm better.
NTodd -- it's your fucking turn, asshole.
Are you here all week? Should I tip my waitron? Molly Ivors
Free the baby veal 7!
Well, it's a good day to prep for the casting call for Shot at Love With Tila Tequila 3. We're gonna need more wax!
I'd love to see Jonah work at a real job. He wouldn't last more than three days.
Hee - now you have an idea of the grinding, hellhole rage I live thru when confronted with 'history buffs'. Economics buffs - a whole new definition of fool!
NTodd -- it's your fucking turn, asshole.
I was just going to say the same thing to him!
NTodd -- it's your fucking turn, asshole.
About fucking time, shitpukingbitchtard.
FYI, Futurama sets are B1G1 this week at Costco (works out to $13 per) - also Dark Angel and How I Met Your Mother.
Only the Greatest Football Player Evah has officially retired, that's all.
You'll always have Big Ben.
Well, for some reason, I've been laying on the floor of the hallway all this time, but I guess I should get back to chicken coop construction. Later, you gorgeous people!
Mlly's feeling cooped up.
folks in Youngstown, Ohio
I was reading an article about Youngstown a couple of days ago. The population is about half of what it was 30 years ago and the city gov't is razing buildings all over the city to cut down on costs of having to provide fire and police protection to the abandoned properties.
About fucking time, shitpukingbitchtard. NTodd, TKPD
I'm about to play, but you're not going to like it.
There's precedent for this action. In the '50s, French dockworkers refused to load war materiel on ships headed for Indochina, and helped to bring that colonial war to an end. At the ILWU's convention in San Francisco in 2003, A. Q. McElrath, an octogenarian University of Hawaii regent and former ILWU organizer from the pineapple canneries, challenged the delegates to act for social justice, invoking the union's slogan, "An injury to one is an injury to all." She concluded, "The cudgel is on the ground. Will you pick it up?"
It appears that longshore workers may be doing just that on May Day and calling on immigrant workers and others to join them.
Why can't we have a National Strike?
Gomez' draft needs: Fuzzy slippers.
About fucking time, shitpukingbitchtard. NTodd, TKPD
I'm about to play, but you're not going to like it.
JeffCO
You guys make it sound so attractive, you should be doing marketing for Scrabulous.
You guys make it sound so attractive, you should be doing marketing for Scrabulous.
Gromit
Vicki kicked my ass at meatspace Scrabble so I kind of know I'd suck at it.
Okay, could someone please explain the hoopla about No Country to me?
...adding that while the term "preference maximization" is occasionally used, it's a rather bad and misleading substitute for "utility maximization."
That's what happens when you leave the lights on in an empty room, right?
Wash Post article on Pulaski, VA, residents dying younger and younger.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...Dtopnews&
sub=AR
Guess who they vote for:
http://www2.sbe.virginia.gov/web...nov2004/
155.htm
Hee - now you have an idea of the grinding, hellhole rage I live thru when confronted with 'history buffs'. Economics buffs - a whole new definition of fool!
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian | 04.26.08 - 2:34 pm |
Would you consider Niall Ferguson a history buff?
So does Miami wait out the 10 minutes just to piss everyone off?
Okay, could someone please explain the hoopla about No Country to me?
It's nothing compared to the hula hoopla a few years back.
Okay, could someone please explain the hoopla about No Country to me?
dms
Javier Bardiem.
I would love to see the wingers vs. the longshoremen.
It's nothing compared to the hula hoopla a few years back.
JeffCO
That was 1958.
Well, the Javier hoopla is the part that confused me the most.
Hee - now you have an idea of the grinding, hellhole rage I live thru when confronted with 'history buffs'. Economics buffs - a whole new definition of fool!
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian | 04.26.08 - 2:34 pm | #
I don't get that attitude. People don't need a license to learn. Not yet anyways.
Well, the Javier hoopla is the part that confused me the most.
dms
Pure evil.
folks in Youngstown, Ohio
I was reading an article about Youngstown a couple of days ago. The population is about half of what it was 30 years ago and the city gov't is razing buildings all over the city to cut down on costs of having to provide fire and police protection to the abandoned properties.
Toonscribe | 04.26.08 - 2:37 pm | #
First time I read about that was a couple of years ago when someone on this blog linked to this article:
http://www.governing.com/article.../
0611cities.htm
I saw in the newer article that cities like Dayton are taking a look at that and seeing if something like that would work here.
Would you consider Niall Ferguson a history buff?
No - he's a perfectly adequate German economic historian.
I don't get that attitude. People don't need a license to learn. Not yet anyways.
You have perhaos heard the phrase "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"?
Well, yes, amazingly I did get that. I just was underwhelmed by his performance.
Extra-virgin evil
Hee - now you have an idea of the grinding, hellhole rage I live thru when confronted with 'history buffs'. Economics buffs - a whole new definition of fool!
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian | 04.26.08 - 2:34 pm | #
I don't get that attitude. People don't need a license to learn. Not yet anyways.
rootless-e | 04.26.08 - 2:44 pm |
No, the point about these 'buffs' is that they aren't really educated, self or otherwise.
You can't Javier your hoopla and hula too.
Megan McArdle is a NEILF.
I would love to see the wingers vs. the longshoremen.
I await the epic film of the confrontation:
All Quiet On The Cheetosfront.
Would you consider Niall Ferguson a history buff?
No - he's a perfectly adequate German economic historian.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian | 04.26.08 - 2:45 pm |
Is that the historian way of saying 'bless your heart'?
extraneous "your". Feh, fucked that up.
Well, yes, amazingly I did get that. I just was underwhelmed by his performance.
I thought his hair was particularly menacing.
meanwhile, famed Nobelist, Oscarist, Global Warming Alarmist/Hoaxster/Huckster, Albert Antoinette Gore, Jr., issues another statement to the world's grain-starved poor:
"You need to understand that Paul Ehrlich didn't want you people here to begin with. So, going forward, please don't eat so much pate, go light on your osso bucco, and smoke twice as much as you do now...."
Megan McArdle is a NEILF.
She's no Tracy Flick... or is she?
No, the point about these 'buffs' is that they aren't really educated, self or otherwise.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins | 04.26.08 - 2:46 pm | #
Considering that Niall Fergusen has had named chairs of history at the most prestigious universities in the english speaking world, Bernard Lewis, a pure propagandist, held a named professorship at Princeton, and Victor Davis Hanson is a professional historian, the value of credentials in the field is highly suspect.
I thought his hair was particularly menacing.
No Country For Old Men II: Attack of the Flowbees.
No Country For Old Men II: Attack of the Flowbees.
No Country For Old Men III: The Combover Fights Back
No, the point about these 'buffs' is that they aren't really educated, self or otherwise.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins | 04.26.08 - 2:46 pm | #
Considering that Niall Fergusen has had named chairs of history at the most prestigious universities in the english speaking world, Bernard Lewis, a pure propagandist, held a named professorship at Princeton, and Victor Davis Hanson is a professional historian, the value of credentials in the field is highly suspect.
rootless-e | 04.26.08 - 2:50 pm |
You can say that about any academic field: History, Political Science, Sociolog, Anthropolgy, Physics, etc.
No Country For Old Men II: Attack of the Flowbees.
JeffCO
America: No country for Old Men
that's what I'd like to see
No Country for This Old Man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-...h?v=-
IEcO82_2TY
She's no Tracy Flick... or is she?
JeffCO
There is no Reese Witherspoon.
April 14:
Downsizing Youngstown
Not knowing the area or all of the details I don't really have any opinion about this, but this article about Youngstown, OH accepting its reality as a more sparsely populated city than it used to be and enacting policies based on that rather than dreaming of a population resurgence is interesting.
-Atrios 12:24
http://www.eschatonblog.com/
2008...13_archive.html
http://www.defendyoungstown.com/
Say what you will about Steelermania.
At least its an ethos.
Hee - now you have an idea of the grinding, hellhole rage I live thru when confronted with 'history buffs'. Economics buffs - a whole new definition of fool!
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian
I wouldn't call myself a "history buff" - I'm more of a history "enthusiast."
I'm probably still annoying though.
America: No country for Old Men
My father's an old man, and so's his old man.
Megan McCardle is to me, what Joe Klein is to Atrios. If I haven't received my daily dose of irrelevant and pointless economics writing, I simply ask myself "Self, did Megan McCardle publish any pointless drivel today?"
And the answer is always, "Yup."
These guys are from Y-Town. Actually going to see Keaggy tonight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o...h?
v=oJgdNCYt_tA
You can say that about any academic field: History, Political Science, Sociolog, Anthropolgy, Physics, etc.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins | 04.26.08 - 2:53 pm | #
True, but the disciplines that are less propagandistic are less touchy about credentials.
I'm probably still annoying though.
~~~~~~~~```
Get the fuck out!
I'm probably still annoying though.
fourlegsgood
Not on an historical scale.
My father's an old man, and so's his old man.
And so's McCain.
Can't they all go putter around in the garden and stop tryiing to fucking blow up the world?
Rumored first picks:
1. Miami: Jake Long
2. SL: Chris Long
3. Atl: Matt Ryan
4. Oak: Darren McFadden
Not on an historical scale.
JeffCO
Well, not today, anyway.
Elias, fuck off, you stupid little wanker.
i've yet to hear a mathematician or biologist complain about "math buffs" or amateur biologists.
Matt Ryan has signed a "No Dogs" clause.
I tried to become a "cleaning buff" today, but it gave me a headache.
Bruce wrote a song about "Jenny" the blast furnace in Youngstown and sang it here in this performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S...h?
v=Smddcs5n0H0
4LG:
Fa Q.
i've yet to hear a mathematician or biologist complain about "math buffs" or amateur biologists.
Well, you do when talking about environmental stuff...
i've yet to hear a mathematician or biologist complain about "math buffs" or amateur biologists.
rootless-e | 04.26.08 - 2:59 pm | #
Well, as you already pointed out, social scientists get more ink and air time
I suspect there are 'amateur'scientist who annoy the heck out of 'professional' ones.
And now this bike buff is going to get into his saddle. l8rh9rz.
I have yet to hear a football player complain about draftniks.
I saw Isaac Asimov give a talk in Youngstown roughly 30 years ago. Now he's dead and Youngstown's dying. Me? I feel fine.
Middle Weight champ of the world Kelly Pavlik is from Y-Town too. He appeared with Hillary when she was here:
http://www.teampavlik.com/
And now this bike buff is going to get into his saddle. l8rh9rz.
NTodd, TKPD
I'll let you know who Cleveland picks.
Me? I feel fine.
No you don't.
i've yet to hear a mathematician or biologist complain about "math buffs" or amateur biologists.
Well, you do when talking about environmental stuff...
NTodd, TKPD | Homepage | 04.26.08 - 3:01 pm | #
I do like the ones who claim not to be sciencists but tell is there is no such thing as climate change, and even if there is, we're not to blame for it.
Because I'm supposed to take their word for it, over actual scientist from a variety of fields.
No you don't. NTodd, TKPD
Heh - thanks for my first 500 pt game!
Afternoon, Moonbats!
I've seen some of the scientific types get annoyed here with the buffs. Especially concerning diet and alternative medicine.
I'll let you know who Cleveland picks.
Thanks.
Now I'm really going or I'll feel as bad as JeffCO.
Heh - thanks for my first 500 pt game!
JeffCO
I notice you're afraid to play me again after I beat you.
I keed, I keed.
I saw Isaac Asimov give a talk in Youngstown roughly 30 years ago. Now he's dead and Youngstown's dying. Me? I feel fine.
JeffCO
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don't let my obnoxious attitude color your view of Y-Town. It's not dying. It's transforming. It's a good place, with good people. It's hard here, not a lot of opportunities. I could move to LA and live with my bro and start over. But this is home, and it needs people to help turn it around.
I saw Isaac Asimov give a talk in Youngstown roughly 30 years ago. Now he's dead and Youngstown's dying. Me? I feel fine.
JeffCO | 04.26.08 - 3:02 pm | #
ok, I made my scrabble moves, on to blogging.
How come NO MEDIA carried reaction to the amazing Moyers interview with Rev. Wright? 3 newspapers commented or relegated to the blogs some CLIPS they were pre-supplied.
Anyone viewing the program (it's gotta have a rerun) is in for a shock. The guy is a deep thinker, and has universal things to say.
The stupid sound bite in question is only 1/2 of his response to an old testament injunction to glorify your country when it behaves admirably to its population but expect it to be DAMNED when it pulls the kind of stunts the good old US of A is currently known for.
Whoever lifted the sound bite had to go over a whole sermon, and selecting that one thing is a study in deviant intentions.
JeffCo, what were you doing in Ytown? Did you live here?
Thanks.
Now I'm really going or I'll feel as bad as JeffCO.
NTodd, TKPD
(What I'm not telling NTodd is that Cleveland picks tomorrow having squandered its first three picks)
Heh - thanks for my first 500 pt game!
Glad to oblige. Fortunately my luck in other games has been much better.
And now I swear I'm going. Gotta ride before the rain, then !#!*&^!@# grading...
I've seen some of the scientific types get annoyed here with the buffs. Especially concerning diet and alternative medicine.
qlª | Homepage | 04.26.08 - 3:04 pm
Someone on the bus today was reading aloud-and loudly-from Kevin Trudeau's book.
I was a in a mood and had to point out that Trudeau's a charlatan and actual doctors and dieticians think he's full of shit. (I didn't phrase it in quite those terms).
I suspect there are 'amateur'scientist who annoy the heck out of 'professional' ones.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins | 04.26.08 - 3:01 pm | #
Zat's for sure - consider the various engineers who champion intelligent design or claim to have refuted global warming or quantum mechanics.
But the contempt for "buffs" seems limited to more political disciplines.
Were you trying to say something 4LG?
Did I mention that I planted sixty coleus this morning? I am inordinately proud of myself!
I notice you're afraid to play me again after I beat you. I keed, I keed. qlª
I've been too busy to start something - my last three games have taken about two weeks, but you'll be hearing from me.
Oy, V4V, Dan Abrams did a segment on it where everyone declared the pastor had thrown Barack under the bus by calling him just another politician. It was awful. The only one who stood up for him was O'Donnell.
Biking in the buff, that's our pantless one.
Off to solve the ills of the world.
Cat got ur tung?
Arianna Huffington is taking your calls on c-span2/BookTV, about media antics etc.
-
Did I mention that I planted sixty coleus this morning? I am inordinately proud of myself!
Hecate
Yeah, but how do your legs & back feel?
Yeah, but how do your legs & back feel?
I am going to be sore in the morning!!! But it was sunny today and supposed to be rainy tomorrow, so I wanted to get them in.
I was a in a mood and had to point out that Trudeau's a charlatan and actual doctors and dieticians think he's full of shit.
I lost ten pounds on the Doonesbury Diet!
Kos has a vote up on whether Wright threw our boy under the bus, 7 said yes, over 70 against.
My my the press is certainly getting twitchy fangs these days.
sorry, the reverend post was for el.
Elias | Homepage | 04.26.08 - 3:08 pm | #
Stop trying to pick a fight. People are enjoying themselves here.
But the contempt for "buffs" seems limited to more political disciplines.
rootless-e | 04.26.08 - 3:07 pm |
I don't have contempt for all buffs. There are an awful lot of people out there without the proper 'papers' who are damn good at understanding history, sociolgy, etc.
But as already repeated, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, whether that's someone with a ph.d. or not.
I have one retired doc who thinks because he's read one book on Armenia he's an expert. No, you're not. And while I might trust him on medical matters I wouldn't trust him on undertanding history because frankly he's got no sense about it, no understanding of the psychology of human behavior.
I lost ten pounds on the Doonesbury Diet!
Must I remind you that newsprint isnt edible?
Stop trying to pick a fight. People are enjoying themselves here.
Apostate
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You'd make a good NBA ref. Never call it on the player who gives the cheap shot.
Stop trying to pick a fight. People are enjoying themselves here.
Ignore him.
He's a stupid little concern troll.
I was a in a mood and had to point out that Trudeau's a charlatan and actual doctors and dieticians think he's full of shit.
I lost ten pounds on the Doonesbury Diet!
JeffCO | 04.26.08 - 3:10 pm |
Part of the appeal of that is so many people want the quick fix. And we're not good at understanding medical test results and studies and that sort of thing.
I am a junk buff. Don't expect me to throw anything away.
He's a stupid little concern troll.
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
Why don't you find somewhere else to go so intelligent people can discuss important issues. I hear instant messenger is really good.
ql
Hope you've been able to get out a bit; is Mr. ql doing better?
He's a stupid little concern troll. - fourlegsgood
Or a troll of little concern to the rest of us.
Now, 'mout.
I am going to be sore in the morning!!!
I was reminded the other day again why extending the retirement age for S.S. is a stupid idea. I was watching the woman at the quilt store cut my fabric. She's about my age. I remarked she must have a strong back to be bending over all day and then hefting bolts of fabric around the store. She told me when she goes home at night she literally can't do anything but sit in an easy chair. No cooking, shopping or anything else. She said her back and legs just can't give anymore after a full day in the store.
Why don't you find somewhere else to go so intelligent people can discuss important issues. I hear instant messenger is really good.
Please eat shit and die. 4LG is a long-standing and well-loved member of this community. Apostate tried to give you some good advice. You ought to take it.
You'd make a good NBA ref. Never call it on the player who gives the cheap shot.
You are intent on poking people with your stick:
Get the fuck out!
and then trying to bait them further.
You're tedious, but you're just enough to send me back to work. Enjoy your futile hostility.
And in totally unrelated news..
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Federal prosecutors are investigating Wachovia Corp. as part of a broad probe of alleged laundering of drug proceeds by Mexican and Colombian money-transfer companies, the Wall Street Journal reported Saturday, citing people familiar with the matter.
remarked she must have a strong back to be bending over all day and then hefting bolts of fabric around the store. She told me when she goes home at night she literally can't do anything but sit in an easy chair. No cooking, shopping or anything else. She said her back and legs just can't give anymore after a full day in the store.
qlª | Homepage | 04.26.08 - 3:15 pm | #
My mom was a nurse, with a very bad back. Dad also had back problems. They'd put in their 8-9 hours at work and we'd eat dinner and then they couldn't do anything else all evening. I came home from school so I could take care of the house and yard.
I have one retired doc who thinks because he's read one book on Armenia he's an expert. No, you're not. And while I might trust him on medical matters I wouldn't trust him on undertanding history because frankly he's got no sense about it, no understanding of the psychology of human behavior.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins | 04.26.08 - 3:12 pm | #
Sure. A "buff" who claims to be an "expert" is annoying. Physicists are particularly good at believing that they have a natural expertise in all fields. But enthusiasts are good. - and it's good for people to have some skepticism for credentials especially when it comes to public policy. The obvious case in point
http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/
or
http://www.victorhanson.com/
I'm just reacting to the dismissive tone of "history buff".
ederal prosecutors are investigating Wachovia Corp. as part of a broad probe of alleged laundering of drug proceeds by Mexican and Colombian money-transfer companies, the Wall Street Journal reported Saturday, citing people familiar with the matter.
Gotta make up for those bad loans somehow.
Chris Long, son of Howie Long, picked by the Rams.
Or a troll of little concern to the rest of us.
~~```
"us." Re: Obama supporters. That's rich. Do you live in a gated community in real life?
Hecate, thanks. Yes, we went to the potluck last night and have been enjoying the patio during the day.
Please eat shit and die. 4LG is a long-standing and well-loved member of this community. Apostate tried to give you some good advice. You ought to take it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'll make you a deal.
I will leave here forever and never come back again if you do one thing:
Admit that you know I'm not this Jeremiah Elias.
But as already repeated, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing
"A little learning is a dangerous thing
Drink deep or taste not the Pierian spring:
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain
And drinking largely sobers us again"
/A Pope
ql, tell your friend those support belts really work. Usually a good selection at home depot and the hardware store. I have one for stacking and splitting wood.
by the way, hanson's blog has the following, must not miss speaking engagement
Host: Objectivist Club's Middle East Forum
Topic: The Threat of Totalitarian Islam
Where: UC Berkeley 2050 Valley Life Science Building
Time: 7:00 PM
For more info: email media@aynrand.org
Not many people know that the "D" in Hanson's initials stands for "charlatan", but that like most else about him, the spelling is wrong.
Yeah, war is a terrible. Why not put all the heads of gov't in one room and let them duke it out, instead of so many innocents dying for a gov't that does give a shit about them.
Part of the appeal of that is so many people want the quick fix. And we're not good at understanding medical test results and studies and that sort of thing. Buckeye
My results may not be typical.
Please eat shit and die. 4LG is a long-standing and well-loved member of this community. Apostate tried to give you some good advice. You ought to take it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
BTW, I'm not sure if your friend NTodd would agree with that.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing
Drink deep or taste not the Pierian spring:
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain
And drinking largely sobers us again"
/A Pope
JeffCO | 04.26.08 - 3:19 pm | #
There is no-one as ignorant as a man who has read one book - Voltaire.
BTW, I'm not sure if your friend NTodd would agree with that.
Elias X
They may have their differences but they agree about you.
Why don't you find somewhere else to go so intelligent people can discuss important issues.
Since all of us think you're a tedious, dog-fucking, sack-biting, ignorant asshat. presumably you're the one who will have to find somewhere else to go to find your intelligent people to bore to self-immolation with your onerous, self-important drone.
Now fuck off. I've already sworn once never to address you again, and maybe this time I'll actually achieve it.
Guess you want me to stay then. 
just the knowledge that there is a "middle east forum" of the "objectivist club" is deeply disturbing. At some point, people will tamper with deep ignorance at a level that will break the fundamental operation of the universe.
Feed troll ⇒ troll shit
-
climbing out of a climate-change-induced South Dakota snowbank today, famed Nobelist, Oscarist and Global Warming Alarmist/Hoaxster/Huckster, Albert Antoinette Gore, Jr., issues yet another statement to the world's grain-starved poor:
"Fear not, ye peons and peasants of Gaia, science tells us that people who restrict their calorie-intake live longer.."
The Faclons selected Matt Ryan.
Was anyone else unimpressed with Bill Maher last night? Gary Shandling was obnoxious and not to funny (imo)--I wanted to hear more from Phil Donahue.
Maybe it was just me, but I thought the program was very flat for the final show of this season.
Remember when dith used to call himself 'dith'?
Good times.
Luby
Get a soap box and a corner or walk the streets with a sandwich board like the other wingnuts.
Get a soap box and a corner or WANK the streets with a sandwich board like the other wingnuts.
fixed yr typo
Remember when dith used to call himself 'dith'?
I miss hearing about the clandestine anti-dhim meeting they held on riverboats in the heartland. Frothy!
Preference maximization, hm?
I've taught Micro101 many, many, many times and never did I have a reason to use that particular term.
I miss hearing about the clandestine anti-dhim meeting they held on riverboats in the heartland. Frothy!
...and as pure as a gambler's cigar!
Preference maximization, hm? I've taught Micro101 many, many, many times and never did I have a reason to use that particular term.
She was trying to say she's tired of dating micro guys.
I would have been posting on this thread earlier but was out weeding in the yard. Imagine my fright when both of the neighbors dogs charged the fence where I was kneeling. Fortunately had my pistol handy and emptied it into the dogs. I was never more frightened as I reloaded in order to empty the gun again into them.
Now some of you may feel I was overreacting but I acted in self defense and hell, they were only dogs.
Hall, 23, was raised in a Protestant family in North Carolina and dropped out of school. It wasn't until he joined the Army that he began questioning religion, eventually deciding he couldn't follow any faith.
But he feared how that would look to other soldiers.
"I was ashamed to say that I was an atheist," Hall said.
It eventually came out in Iraq in 2007, when he was in a firefight. Hall was a gunner on a Humvee, which took several bullets in its protective shield. Afterward, his commander asked whether he believed in God, Hall said.
"I said, 'No, but I believe in Plexiglas,"' Hall said. "I've never believed I was going to a happy place. You get one life. When I die, I'm worm food."
Wow, a functioning brain amidst all of the fucking sheep!
The issue came to a head when, according to Hall, a superior officer, Maj. Freddy J. Welborn, threatened to bring charges against him for trying to hold a meeting of atheists in Iraq. Welborn has denied Hall's allegations.
Hey, Freddy: thou shalt not lie.
Fuckhead.
Nice, our Army cannot protect one of it's own.
Strange that diversity has existed since forever, yet our military seems to allow this crap to boil up time and again.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/26...r.ap/
index.html
"The Army told him it couldn't protect him and sent him back to Fort Riley. He resumed duties with a military police battalion. "
How about enjoying some music by Clinic ?
Complimentary “Hello in There” Ringtone
We had an apartment in the city,
Me and Loretta liked living there.
Well, it'd been years since the kids had grown,
A life of their own left us alone.
John and Linda live in Omaha,
And Joe is somewhere on the road.
We lost Davy in the Korean war,
And I still don't know what for, don't matter anymore.
Chorus:
Ya' know that old trees just grow stronger,
And old rivers grow wilder ev'ry day.
Old people just grow lonesome
Waiting for someone to say, "Hello in there, hello."
Me and Loretta, we don't talk much [ More Prine John Lyrics ]
Oops, sorry, didn't realize I was duplicating what came before.
because frankly he's got no sense about it, no understanding of the psychology of human behavior.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins
Maybe too serious for this time of day.
It's been my impression that when financial pain reaches the point of missing payments and having the utilities turned off some otherwise normal people really, really resent those not struggling.
I wonder if we are there yet or it's just around the corner.
Frankly, given the choice between the namestealing tragedy troll, the namestealing gun troll, and the namestealing poop troll, I prefer the poop troll.
McCardle's the type of person who makes up a term and hopes no one that hears it will admit they don't know what it means and ask her to explain it.
Which kinda sums up wingnuts in general, a bunch of blowhards, making up stuff and patting each other on the back for their "accomplishments."
"It's been my impression that when financial pain reaches the point of missing payments and having the utilities turned off some otherwise normal people really, really resent those not struggling.
I wonder if we are there yet or it's just around the corner."
--Gimlet
This country has gotten too expensive for the majority of the people to live in.
"This country has gotten too expensive for the majority of the people to live in."
Filled the Ranger again. 49.99 for a full tank. A Ranger of all things.
And I was unhappy that the pump was slow, making it an agonizing crawl to the final total. I need to go back to doing half tanks just to lessen the shock.
because frankly he's got no sense about it, no understanding of the psychology of human behavior.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins
Maybe too serious for this time of day.
It's been my impression that when financial pain reaches the point of missing payments and having the utilities turned off some otherwise normal people really, really resent those not struggling.
I wonder if we are there yet or it's just around the corner.
Gimlet | 04.26.08 - 3:35 pm |
I don't even think it's resentment of those not struggling, it's resentment of those not struggling and flaunting it, and being dismissive of those who are struggling.
This country has gotten too expensive for the majority of the people to live in.
mer
Maybe not the majority yet. And those that are struggling still have hope resting on the changes that come with the fall election.
But the attitude of resentment toward those that "undeservedly" have it better than you is barely a step below violence.
scroll down for classic pic of Hill
http://tinyurl.com/yb4ql9
Is that the historian way of saying 'bless your heart'?
Pretty close. Rule of thumb is, if you trained as something and are credentialled as something, you don't really get to spring off into entirely new territory with the same qualifications....
I've taught Micro101 many, many, many times and never did I have a reason to use that particular term.
Echidne | Homepage | 04.26.08 - 3:30 pm | #
Used to believe
in communist lies
but general pinochet
plucked one of my eyes
and now i rejoice
in economic freedom
alla time
in a mass grave
with plenty
of lime.
Fresh sheets blowing in the breeze...
Holey sheets.
How courageous of the little cowrd J Elias to refer to NTodd after he's left for his ride.
You're a twit, and your utube selections suck, Jeremiah.
When did Atrios move off of blogspot?
Damn Job, I miss everythong these days.
By the nineteenth century the concept of interest made possible a flexible type of social analysis, with interests opposing one another, blocking one another, reinforcing one another, and so on. Individuals had their interests and so did groups; there was "the public interest" as well as the interests of each and every citizen. The concept of interest also plays a key role in the analysis of such subtle thinkers as John Stuart Mill and Tocqueville. Toward the end of the century, however, economists began to restrict the term to mean exclusively "economic interests" and eventually also to replace it with other terms, such as utility and preferences. Economic interest now became part of homo economicus, that is, of the isolated, all-knowing, and maximizing economic agent (see, e.g., Persky 1995). Instead of suggesting hypotheses to be explored empirically, the analysis now began as well as ended with (economic) interests. A restricted type of interest analysis, in brief, began to replace the rich and complex type of interest analysis that had been used during the earlier centuries. During the twentieth century this tendency solidified and is still the one that prevails in economics and, to a large extent, in social science as a whole.
A second important debate I see is the one over the issue of value. One of the crucial contributions sociology can make to the understanding of the economy is to explain how it happens that actors attribute value to certain goods and services. Émile Durkheim has made an attempt to solve this issue by relating value to “social opinion.” Georg Simmel has addressed this question, for instance, in his theory of fashion. Economists do not have much to say about preference formation. This is because you cannot understand value from an individualistic perspective and many aspects relevant for the valuation of goods originate outside the economic sphere. Value is in most markets genuinely social in character.
While preferences are the conventional foundation of microeconomics, it is convenient to represent preferences with a utility function and reason indirectly about preferences with utility functions.
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