I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

Gravataraha


GravatarFritz


Gravataryes sir


GravatarDon't expect to see it directed at Rethugs, though.

IOKIYAR will be in full use mode.


Gravatarconsarnit


GravatarDoes anyone remember up or down vote?

Oh, thank God. I thought I was alone.


Gravatarconsarnit
olexicon, mike sass | 06.16.09 - 12:30 pm | #


Is that related to dagnabbit?


Gravatarfffff


GravatarRemind me, did that have something to do with Al Qaeda being granted sanctuary in Iraq?


GravatarGOP uber alles.


GravatarDear MSNBC:

Of course Pat Buchanan thinks Panetta should retract his statement. Why waste the time asking?


GravatarIs that related to dagnabbit?
Soprano, sempre libera


And Golldurnit


GravatarWell the fact that Atrios refuses to turn this site green shows that he hates not only The Troops but also Freedom Itself.


GravatarI remember only upperdownvote.


GravatarUp or down what with the who now? I just heard Matthews yesterday talking about what the Dems needed to do to get 60 votes on healthcare.


GravatarBloomsday.


GravatarUp or Down votes are only for Republicans!


GravatarIOKIYAR

I'm down with this, up yours.


GravatarDoes anyone remember laughter?


GravatarDoes anyone remember up or down vote?

Simels

The rest of us are too young.

What was it -- last year? I was just a blastocyst then.


GravatarBig Dick hates America, as does Dumbya. That's been obvious for years.


GravatarI've said it before, and, like the original speaker, I'll say it again.

Villago Delenda Est


GravatarUp or down what with the who now? I just heard Matthews yesterday talking about what the Dems needed to do to get 60 votes on healthcare.
Jay C. |


Baucus and the other DINOs are trying to derail the reconciliation (50 vote) margin so they can say they had to kill the public option to get to 60 votes.


GravatarWho the blank tries to get out of giving a *virtual* beverage?

Sheesh.


GravatarSigh. I have to stop being a worthless waste of bench space and go make some RNA now. Yoof will be hearing from my legal team about the coke. L8trz.


GravatarDoes anyone remember laughter?

Do you wanna laugh or cryyyyyyyyyyyy......


GravatarBut this premise - voting against funding = hating military and killing troops - was fully incorporated into the basic mainstream press narrative for years.

"That was different. Because... well, just because. Leave me alone, you moran!"
-- wingnut


Gravatari have to give atrios credit for having the energy to point out the obvious after all of these years of same shit different issue


GravatarDo you wanna laugh or cryyyyyyyyyyyy......
AndyMN, Unalloted


Heh, good one.

Here, have some Nipalese money.

From the land of Nipple.


GravatarI love how evil they are.

But I find the sheer stupidity and craveness of the media maddening.


GravatarFunding season!
*blam!*


GravatarFrom below:

It changes your driving in ways you don't even realize.

My kids do wear their seatbelts, btw.
ms fahrenheit fleury malkin

I've seen the aftermath of some nasty crashes on highway driving - including last winter a fatal head-on where a co-worker was driving the striking vehicle (he blacked out from an undetected benign brain tumor). Didn't know it was his vehicle until two days later.

I've had two run-off-road crashes on iced bridges on the IH; all other crashes were urban; most at intersections.

One was a T-Bone from a red-light runner - struck my car right behind the driver's door. I was belted; nary a scratch. Another was a hard rear-ender; had 1/3 of a second to brace. Also belted; also no injury.

I've been fortunate.


GravatarDoes anyone remember laughter?
Gummo

Would this help any?


GravatarI remember the kind of September when life was something something.


Gravatarcoke-giving is a synecdote for the entire system of human jurisprudence and the rule of law.

if we bend the rules here, it means al qaeda will have won.


GravatarLarryElvis is still the cutest meezer who's regularly linked from Eschaton, hands down.




Gravatar.Who the blank tries to get out of giving a *virtual* beverage?

Sheesh.


Well it did make for some mildly entertaining repartee.


GravatarThe Transit District is making more Service cuts in September, BUT -- none of them are lines I've ever used.


Gravatari have to give atrios credit for having the energy to point out the obvious after all of these years of same shit different issue
Syd B


I think the Irony Bird just flew the coop.


GravatarGeez the media doesn't notice republican hypocrisy or their own involvement in it?
Who would have thunk it?


GravatarWho the blank tries to get out of giving a *virtual* beverage?

Sheesh.
plantsman, mad google skillz

Virtual? NOW you tell me! I've been pouring coke on my monitor for years!


GravatarBut this premise - voting against funding = hating military and killing troops - was fully incorporated into the basic mainstream press narrative for years.

They were lying then, they are lying now.
~


GravatarI think the Irony Bird just flew the coop.
Jay C. |


Shot dead by Alanis?


Gravatarif we bend the rules here, it means gatorada will have won.


flummoxed yer thirst


GravatarVirtual? NOW you tell me! I've been pouring coke on my monitor for years!
ellroon, smolderingwreckian | Homepage | 06.16.09 - 12:38 pm | #

darn, i bet thats why my monitor was flashing.


GravatarOK, I know this will be shocking and upsetting, but the Demokrats are just as unethical and hypocritical as the Republikans. It has been said all politicians have two ends a thinking end and a sitting end. Since their entire future and success depends on their keeping their seats. Why bother?


GravatarThat might account for the sugary sizzle and icky, sticky residue.


GravatarI remember when I used to see you jumpin' rope (skippin' rope), up and down, baby.


Gravatareuphronius is a born lawyer, poor fella.


GravatarLeft or right vote!


GravatarI think the Irony Bird just flew the coop.
Jay C. | 06.16.09 - 12:37 pm | #
--

AIPAC chased it away.


GravatarThat might account for the sugary sizzle and icky, sticky residue.

No flirting?


Gravatarurban or suburban vote!!


GravatarNot even close, Tom; but thanks for proving you deserve Killfile.


GravatarMatt y does what a lot of liberals do - gnashes, then buys right into the narrative and begs for mercy.

I dare them to vote against this bill.

When I was in politics, we would hope they would votes against something like this and go to fucking town on the Republican. Sorry, but that's life.


Gravatareuphronius is a born lawyer, poor fella.

What was that a few threads back about being raised in GOP country but still turned out OK?


GravatarIran to Recount Some Votes in Disputed Election
Voice of America - ‎43 minutes ago‎
By VOA News Iran's powerful Guardian Council says it will recount some votes in a disputed presidential election that has triggered the country's largest street protests in 30 years.


We shoulda been so lucky in 2000.

Move on, we were told.


Gravatarthe republican party has the advantage of having a mass of idiots who can be made to salivate on cue

.


GravatarA 5 oz bird can not carry a one pound coconut!


Gravatarwell im OK enough to hang out with you peeps.


GravatarShot dead by Alanis?
sdf


It's ironic, like owing a Coke for a comment about Clarence Thomas.


Gravatarwell im OK enough to hang out with you peeps.



GravatarBut it’s possible that some “other shoe” or two may drop—most likely the meltdown of an Eastern European country—and the IMF exists to stop that kind of thing from happening.

Why do Republicans hate Estonia?


GravatarI wonder if IRan will get its recount done before Al Franken is sworn in.


GravatarNot to be all pro-Gore, but it's not like he surrendered overnight. He had his lawyers, it went on for weeks, they went all the way to the Scotus, etc.


Gravatar Since their entire future and success depends on their keeping their seats. Why bother?
Texas Hill Country Tom | 06.16.09 - 12:39 pm | #

Oh, STFU Naderite scum.

That nihilistic bullshit doesn't fly and it never has. They can do better.

One Dem who can hammer the Thugs for their lies and cowardice and can keep up the pressure. They'll crack like cheap Xmas ornament.
~


GravatarIt's ironic, like owing a Coke for a comment about Clarence Thomas.
Jay C. |


Not that anybody would want that particular Coke ...


GravatarTell you what Atrios, please plan a trip out to Portland, Oregon and we'll put together a conference, perhaps on urban planning and transportation. We'll visit my inner/older suburbia house (using mass transit only) as well as my city rental house. You can explain to me why my city house would have been the better place to continue raising my kids, and why they now live in a hell hole. I'll be interested in hearing specifics as to what is so superior at the city house. Schools? Fewer video games? More room to play frisbee?


Gravatarmeander that was buttle.


GravatarProblem with that is that people don't want to buy one car for in-town, and another car for road trips.
VictorLaszlo

Actually, that is not really true. I know a lot of people who have what I have: Honda and a large (vehicle) van. We use the large van for long trips, the Honda for short ones. (It is just not big enough for Mrs DWD, me, and the two large dogs. (Lexi takes the back seat of the Honda by herself - as does Nikki)


GravatarOK, I know this will be shocking and upsetting, but the Demokrats are just as unethical and hypocritical as the Republikans. It has been said all politicians have two ends a thinking end and a sitting end. Since their entire future and success depends on their keeping their seats. Why bother?
Texas Hill Country Tom | 06.16.09 - 12:39 pm | #

democrats are all living manifestations of jah, all knowing and all loving good

while not as powerful lord luntz, democrats are quick off the mark and throw a mean screw ball

they are not to be underestimated in getting great policies that the majority of americans through congress

they are ... in a word - effin'awesome


GravatarIf only there had been blogs that changed their color scheme to Green in November 2000 we would just have finished 8 years of Pres. Gore.


Gravatarmeander that was buttle.
euphronius ahistorical | 06.16.09 - 12:43 pm | #


I would never call a n00b 'Naderite scum'.
~


GravatarIf only there had been blogs that changed their color scheme to Earth Tones in November 2000 we would just have finished 8 years of Pres. Gore.
sdf

fyt


GravatarThe Republikans are going to find any excuse to vote down the healthcare bill. There will be Demokrat whores in braineashed conservative districts who will also vote against. Ane do not forget all the greedy whores who will take the money from the big health insurance cabals. One must get re-elected to stay on the gravy train.


Gravatareuph - where did sebs go?

To play with his kids?


Gravatarthere are enough factual difference between FLA00 and IRAN09 that i am comfortable to really comparing them.


GravatarI have one scooter for riding in-town, and one scooter for riding interstates, if the need arises.

Oh, wait. No, now I just have the interstate one. And it's been in the shop three weeks.


GravatarSebs went to Bern to taunt Mimi in the unisex bathroom with dirty needles.


GravatarIran's Islamic leadership agreed to conduct a limited refake of votes following last week's disputed presidential election

.


GravatarWe use the large van for long trips, the Honda for short ones.

We take the Ferrari and the butler follows behind with the Rolls carrying the luggage.

No, not really. Really.


GravatarI'll be interested in hearing specifics as to what is so superior at the city house. Schools? Fewer video games? More room to play frisbee?
ErinPDX | 06.16.09 - 12:43 pm | #


From an ecological perspective, city dwelling has a much smaller carbon footprint than suburban dwelling does.


GravatarKNEEL before your master, Letterman. GROVEL in the dirt, GROVEL. Sarah Palin has won this one BIG TIME.


GravatarI keep meaning to ask MSNBC since only about 1 in 5 Americans self-identifies as a Republican they feel they MUST have one-to-one Republican to Democratic
"Strategists."


GravatarWe take the Ferrari and the butler follows behind with the Rolls carrying the luggage.

He works for you? Can you take away his internet access at work, pls?


GravatarThe US Supreme Court has agreed to take up a case examining whether the Florida Supreme Court violated the private property rights of waterfront landowners in a seven-mile-long beach restoration project.

As long it isn't something silly, like choosing to have a child.


GravatarSebs went to Bern to taunt Mimi in the unisex bathroom with dirty needles.
euphronius ahistorical | 06.16.09 - 12:46 pm | #


I hope they met up with Hartmut.


GravatarSeek help, sonny; Sarah is nobody's Master.


GravatarI mean, live where you want...whatever lights your board. But imply that I'm a shitty parent for making my teens live in a close-in suburban hellhole. They have the best of both worlds here in Portland, OR. Just a short transit ride into the city.


GravatarSebs went to Bern to taunt Mimi in the unisex bathroom with dirty needles.


heh.

That's good, my boy.


GravatarHartmut's in Munich, or so it says.


GravatarOh, wait. No, now I just have the interstate one. And it's been in the shop three weeks.

Jeffraham, w/borrowed Fiddle



GravatarI see we have a NIN fan here.


GravatarEyes on the prize.


GravatarSarah Palin is a foul insect, much like Sonny Ablaza.


Gravatar But imply that I'm a shitty parent for making my teens live in a close-in suburban hellhole

heh...heh...heh...

Note that Dr. Black has no children.



Gravatar
I hope they met up with Hartmut.


They can always wave to each other from across the room.


GravatarI'm not sure when Atrios implied anyone was a shitty parent. He seems to be rather pro-close-in suburb.


GravatarSlutty suited Sarah!


GravatarKNEEL before your master, Letterman. GROVEL in the dirt, GROVEL. Sarah Palin has won this one BIG TIME.
sonny ablaza


I envy Letterman. I'd crawl over a mile of broken glass just to eat Sarah's pussy.


GravatarJay C you missed the IMPLIED message.


GravatarSarah Palin plays master to Sonny's slave in his Holodeck-based wet dream.


GravatarI have the borrowed Fiddle, though!

I'm going to hope that locking it up at the Sommet Center will be safe while Willendorf Venus and I go see Elvis @ the Ryman.


GravatarTo be fair, the IMF (et al) have use this money as a carrot to get countries to do things that hurt themselves and the world economy in the long run. I doubt the GOoPers care about how the IMF uses its power to enforce a certain globalization agenda, but I dunno if it makes much sense for liberals to attack GOoPers for not wanting to give a lot of $$$ to the IMF when some of the worst offenders in IMF malfeasance are currently associated with the White House.


Gravatarthe war supplemental has no timetable for withdrawal.

vote no.


GravatarWhy is the choice city vs suburb? Are there really NO more small towns left in America?


GravatarParticipate in Marcellina's Caption Contest!


GravatarI'd rather die than give you control.


Gravatarsmall town does not fit the dialectic.


GravatarWell, after being all gushy-lovey a week or so ago, meemee's gone Full Chernobyl on me again. No one could have anticipated...


GravatarIran's Islamic leadership agreed to conduct a limited refake of votes following last week's disputed presidential election

.
tacitus voltabear


Really just an opportunity to steal it the right way, without all the giveaway 69% margins in questionable districts. A few thousand more for Mousawi and the others can't hurt 'em any. Watch, it'll "work", and the rest of the world, including DC, will buy it, just to get back to the status quo ante they were familiar with...


GravatarWhy is the choice city vs suburb? Are there really NO more small towns left in America?
Marcellina

none. we've used up all the land. Next we invade Canada...


Gravatarive seen several wingnuts this morning claiming palin has won. i have no idea why they claim this.


GravatarWhy is the choice city vs suburb? Are there really NO more small towns left in America?

They're all like Blaine, Missouri and only have one apartment where Corky St. Clair lives with his wife Bonnie.


GravatarAre there really NO more small towns left in America?

Dunno about that...


GravatarBut imply that I'm a shitty parent for making my teens live in a close-in suburban hellhole

He's not implying that.

He's simply talking about dependence on cars.


GravatarI am not interested in being fair.
Obama should include a provision naming Texas Obamistan and declare the GOP hates our soldiers when they vote against the bill.


GravatarBoth an American and an Iraqi Timetable for Withdrawl already exist.


GravatarAnd I won't mention the mythical Clean bill Act. I won't.


GravatarBlue Dogs who vote for the supplemental should face primary challengers. anti-war progressives who vote for the supplemental should face primary challengers.


get out your checkbooks, we are gonna have a lot of primary challengers in need of cash.


Gravatarseriously CT

this is how the Dems should act. theyd get more people voting for them imho.

they should name the Texas Railrod commission a terrorist organization.


GravatarOh, this is good.

Real good.

p m carpenter on Ed Schultz...

"This morning, before what is likely a much larger audience, that of MSNBC's "Morning Joe," its host, Joe Scarborough, asked Schultz if he really believed his own speculation.

Whereupon Mr. Schultz batted not one eyelid: Absolutely, he said.

Whereupon the melodramatic Mr. Scarborough said, "I'm shocked."

Whereupon Mr. Schultz responded with chilling honesty: "That's Dick Cheney." "


GravatarParticipate in Marcellina's Caption Contest!

It's gonna be pretty hard to top Merkin, tho!


Gravatarive seen several wingnuts this morning claiming palin has won. i have no idea why they claim this.
'Cuz if they don't, they're pedophiles? Just guessin'


GravatarGood Lord. Just spotted a "Jindal 2012" bumper sticker.


GravatarDT'd way back there:

When I was in high school, we had to take Health & Safety (Indiana, early '70s). I took it in summer school -- it mostly consisted of us bringing in newspaper clippings of grisly car crashes and reading them aloud while the wrestling coach (or was he the assistant football coach), rubbed his face and groaned, "Aw jeez. That's terrible. That's awful. Those poor people."


GravatarGotta listen to your big time hard line bad luck fist fuck.


GravatarWell, after being all gushy-lovey a week or so ago, meemee's gone Full Chernobyl on me again.

Time to build a sarcophagus.


GravatarObama should include a provision naming Texas Obamistan and declare the GOP hates our soldiers when they vote against the bill.
C/T, Fair Voter | Homepage | 06.16.09 - 12:53 pm | #



That would be cool. Austin, Obamistan.


GravatarFrom an ecological perspective, city dwelling has a much smaller carbon footprint than suburban dwelling does.

Yes indeed.
Unless your kids want to play music and they have none in the city high schools, so you have to drive long distances several times a week to let them be involved in it. Or you have to rent a warehouse for their metal band to practice then drive to the warehouse. Or if you plan to take your 1/2 acre and subdivide it into four units when the kids leave, making it a better footprint. Or if your suburban hellhole is 3 blocks from one of the biggest transit centers in the state, allowing you to practically eliminate car usage.


Gravatarsorry to have put up those incorrect numbers about car accident deaths in Canada


Gravatarive seen several wingnuts this morning claiming palin has won. i have no idea why they claim this.
pretzel

Kneejerk Republican response. They'd planned on standing tall on the smoking rubble of Whatzitstan and yelling that we'd won...


GravatarWhy is the choice city vs suburb? Are there really NO more small towns left in America?
Marcellina


I like small towns. But malls have killed many of them. And people want bigger plots of land and bigger houses than you usually find in small towns.

The modest three-bedroom ranch on 1/4 acre that I grew up in would be considered a cottage by today's standards.


Gravatarive seen several wingnuts this morning claiming palin has won. i have no idea why they claim this.

WorldWide Pants fires CEO?


GravatarAnd the last I knew, they had brownie making ovens in the city as well as inner suburbs.


GravatarI read A man as saying low density suburbs are not good for teens because there are limited options and they are car dependent which wouldn't apply to Portland.


GravatarThey have the best of both worlds here in Portland, OR. Just a short transit ride into the city. - ErinPDX

Kind of the opposite of my neck of the woods in Queens: mass transit is sufficiently bad that you can't really go everywhere you would need to go via it unless you are willing to wait for long periods, make lots of transfers, etc. But once you get that car, there are enough people around (also with cars) that you spend all your time trying to find parking.

And people drive like maniacs to boot.


GravatarWon what? An apology?

Awesome.


GravatarWell Mimi, you can always post the numbers of how many people are in jail up here compared to the States.


GravatarBesides isn't Portland a city? They have an NBA team, right?


GravatarPortland Bushblazers or something.


GravatarSarah simply has such poor social skills she refuses to accept successive, sincere apologies.
All that shows is TACKY.


GravatarI like small towns.

I sneer every time I drive through a small town.


GravatarMALKIN REFUSES TO ACCEPT APOLOGY FROM TV COMEDIAN

"With protests planned and growing anger over his vulgar abuse of the Palin family, David “The Perv” Letterman attempts a belated, half-assed apology tonight on his increasingly unfunny show via TV Week

[...]

Notice that he’s apologizing for the execution of the joke. In other words: If only he had written it more clearly to take aim at Bristol instead of Willow, he wouldn’t have been misunderstood. And he wouldn’t be under the gun having to say he’s sorry for creating the wrong “perception.” He’s sorry he didn’t pull it off better.

His initial, impudent reaction is the honest one. And it won’t be forgotten."


GravatarI sneer every time I drive through a small town.

That's okay. We piss on your car as you drive on by...


GravatarWell, I was amazed that the trip from my house to the scooter shop that takes 25-minutes on a 50cc scooter took me almost 2.5 hrs. walking to the bus stop, and taking two buses to get there.


GravatarThe were the JailBlazers back when Darrell Stoudamire kept getting busted for keys of weed.


GravatarSarah simply has such poor social skills she refuses to accept successive, sincere apologies.
All that shows is TACKY.
plantsman, mad google skillz

She's just got her teeth into something that she really knows a lot about ... slutty teenagers. She'll play the indignation card for all its worth for as long as the media will let her.


GravatarMALKIN REFUSES TO ACCEPT APOLOGY FROM TV COMEDIAN

She's one of Palin's daughters?


GravatarI sneer every time I drive through a small town.

That's okay. We piss on your car as you drive on by...
NTodd,שלו |

Makes note to remember to roll up windows when visiting Vermont...


GravatarFrankly, I wish ol' Dave'd just taken a pass on Sarah, because I'm sick to death of hearing about her...


GravatarI was born in a small town. . .


GravatarHere in my suburban hellhole with lots of superfluous green space I just had a great view of a large Red-tailed Hawk siting on top of a light pole. It tolerated me standing there clicking away with my camera for quite some time. Film at 11.


GravatarThat's okay. We piss on your car as you drive on by...
NTodd,שלו


I KNEW it was rusting up.


GravatarRemember when Malkin used to stalk sick kids and their families? Good times...


Gravatarwhats a small town?

50,000 people? 100,000?


GravatarI just had a great view of a large Red-tailed Hawk siting on top of a light pole. It tolerated me standing there clicking away with my camera

That was a DHS drone in disguise.


GravatarUndecideds:
1. Andre Carson 2. Donna Christenson 3. Jim Cooper 4. Danny Davis 5. Bill Delahunt 6. Al Green 7. Phil Hare 8. Maurice Hinchey 9. Paul Hodes 10. Carolyn Maloney 11. Jim Moran 12. Grace Napolitano 13. Donald Payne14. Charles Rangel 15. Laura Richardson 16. Linda Sanchez 17. Bobby Scott 18. John Tanner 19. Ed Towns 20. Peter Welch


GravatarWell, I was amazed that the trip from my house to the scooter shop that takes 25-minutes on a 50cc scooter took me almost 2.5 hrs. walking to the bus stop, and taking two buses to get there. - Jeffraham

Take up jogging.


Gravatarmy completely unscientific seat of the pants opinion is a small town is 10k or less.


GravatarAnd I'm also sick to death of seeing my nyms de snark staring me in the face a couple posts later because I can't remember to clear haloscan's damn cookies...


Gravatar She'll play the indignation card for all its worth for as long as the media will let her.
ellroon, smolderingwreckian


Yup, it's a two-fer:

She gets to extend her 15 minutes of fame another 30 seconds, and gets to play the victim, which makes all her Jebofascist followers cream with delight.


GravatarI am still hayseed enough to say 'Look who's in the big town'


GravatarSarah simply has such poor social skills she refuses to accept successive, sincere apologies.

it was never about what Letterman said, it's all about grabbing yet more media attention. She's addicted to it.


GravatarIt's the Portland Ablazas.


GravatarWhat relatively widespread current word, like Wichita or Uighurs, will Andrea Mitchell mispronounce today?


Gravatar50,000 people? 100,000?


< 50000


Gravatar10K ? o h ok. small small town.

i suppose 50-100K would be a small city?


GravatarRed Tails are cool, and don't seem to mind living around people that much. I had one yelling at me for blundering through its hunting ground.


GravatarRed-tailed hawks in Manhattan.


GravatarI actually grew up in a medium density suburb with no mixed use (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Rossmoor,_California).

I actually had dreams about how our 'burb finally had mixed use zoning. When I moved to 'Jerz where you could walk to a corner shop whilst in a nice suburban neighborhood, to me that was the stuff of dreams.

But my suburban teenage years weren't hellaciously boring: we had bicycles that got us to the nearest library, etc.

Anybody remember bicycles?

Of course, I'd hate to try riding a bicycle where I live now ...


Gravatar.Here in my suburban hellhole with lots of superfluous green space I just had a great view of a large Red-tailed Hawk siting on top of a light pole. It tolerated me standing there clicking away with my camera for quite some time. Film at 11.
The Old Man From Scene 24 ,


That sounds a lot like my suburban hellhole!


GravatarIIRC, the FBI used to have a field office in every city/metro area that had at least 35k residents. I don't know if that helps define big/small cities or not, but I thought I'd throw out something useless for internets sake.


Gravatarthe census might have a defintion.


Gravatarwhats a small town?

one where you can throw a stone from end to end.


GravatarA Great Place To Raise Children

I get that people think that low density suburbs are great places to raise children. This might be true. But they're generally horrible places for teenagers.


Someone is actually arguing that Atrios isn't making a judgement call on *my* parenting with that headline and post?

I've placed my children into a horrible place. spank me now.


Gravataras i understand it, a couple of the palin women like to get their fuck on and this fact has caused some pain to that hayseed dave letterman


Gravatari suppose 50-100K would be a small city?


Yep. Even 25000-50000 is not all that small.


GravatarThat was a DHS drone in disguise.

DOH!

I should have guessed! Very impressive animatronics, though. Almost it was lifelike!


GravatarMy suburban hellhole claims to own the largest amount of open space per capita of any municipality in the US. Seems hard to believe that, but that's what its Wiki says.


GravatarGood Lord. Just spotted a "Jindal 2012" bumper sticker.
Troutski | 06.16.09 - 12:54 pm | #


Just proves that delusion is eternal.


Gravatarwhats a small town?

50,000 people? 100,000?
euphronius ahistorical


I'd say 50,000. Where I live, currently around 120-130,000, I'd call that a small city.


GravatarSmall town, in my def, is pop < 1,500 and at not within 25 miles of an urbanized area as defined by the US Census.


GravatarEven Joe Scar and Murphy said if she wants to be President should stop saying stupid shit just to get on tv.


Gravatarnot only can no politician vote against military spending, but republicans have consolidated the whole thing as a game of chicken and one-upmanship to see which party is the most pro-military by proposing the biggest increases in military spending each year. Its why we have the most bloated, criminally obscene, military spending in the history of humanity. The lost opportunity cost of the worse-than-useless, porkbarrel military is literally a crime against humanity.
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GravatarI understand why the Chyron-typers at MSNBC misspell things, they're low paid drones; but "Veteran Reporter" Andrea should know how to tawk.


GravatarWhat relatively widespread current word, like Wichita or Uighurs, will Andrea Mitchell mispronounce today? - plantsman

Vallejo.


GravatarI've placed my children into a horrible place. spank me now.


[raises hand to volunteer]



GravatarWalnut Creek is like 60k peeps.


GravatarGood Lord. Just spotted a "Jindal 2012" bumper sticker.
Troutski |


Was a Mayan driving?


Gravatar1500 people? dear god. thats not many people at all.

i like the 50K ish number.


GravatarThat sounds a lot like my suburban hellhole!

Well you get to custom build your own suburban hellhole.


GravatarI'm sick to death of any kind of walkback by anybody. DON'T apologize fer gawd's sake, Letterman and Panetta and others! Copy the Bush administration and just roll right over the rumpus.

The wingnuts take any kind of apology or explanation as a sign of weakness and I'm tired of using truth and facts and history to educate them.


GravatarEven Joe Scar and Murphy said if she wants to be President should stop saying stupid shit just to get on tv.
C/T, Fair Voter | Homepage | 06.16.09 - 1:04 pm | #


That's unlikely.


Gravatarpluege thats some good hyperbole. I agree.


GravatarLike I just didn't again...

And anyways, this is gonna sound all concern-trollie, but it's really a low-rent Deep Thought; Did the Dems maybe put the IMF bit in the funding bill just to get the Reps to lose their cool, sort of on cue? Like trained slugs? I hate this shit, and that's why every once in a while I bring up the Mythical Clean Bill Act (which will never happen because each side delights in pulling this crap on the other...)


GravatarI'm sick to death of any kind of walkback by anybody. DON'T apologize fer gawd's sake, Letterman and Panetta and others! Copy the Bush administration and just roll right over the rumpus.

The wingnuts take any kind of apology or explanation as a sign of weakness and I'm tired of using truth and facts and history to educate them.
ellroon, smolderingwreckian


I don't know why liberals in general and elected Democrats in particular have so much trouble understanding this.


Gravatarspank me now. - ErinPDX

No flirting!


GravatarErinPDX -- You should try being a progressive in the South, dear.

Thickens the skin right on up, now.


GravatarUndecideds:
1. Andre Carson 2. Donna Christenson 3. Jim Cooper 4. Danny Davis 5. Bill Delahunt 6. Al Green 7. Phil Hare 8. Maurice Hinchey 9. Paul Hodes 10. Carolyn Maloney 11. Jim Moran 12. Grace Napolitano 13. Donald Payne14. Charles Rangel 15. Laura Richardson 16. Linda Sanchez 17. Bobby Scott 18. John Tanner 19. Ed Towns 20. Peter Welch


Just got off the phone with Welch's office, imploring him to once again vote no.

Receptionist had trouble spelling my name and couldn't find me in the database, then went, "ah, Todd, yes, I'll let the Congressman know." LOL.

Hopefully will get a meeting with him before the July 4th recess. I've requested an hour to exchange notes since he was in Gaza recently at my behest, and tried to get us in last week. Good guy, but of course a politician...


GravatarFrom an ecological perspective, city dwelling has a much smaller carbon footprint than suburban dwelling does.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame

The problem with generalizations is that they all omit certain aspects of the problem (including this one, I suppose.)

I would actually say our carbon footprint is pretty low comparatively.

Yes, we do drive when we need to go somewhere - but where we go is usually pretty close to home. (A mile to the grocery stores and restaurants - that sort of thing.

Our house is very energy efficient - massively insulated - and heating bills run about $125 in the winter and cooling bills about $80 in the summer. A lot of the time we use the minimum.

My sister who lives in Chicago drives much more than we do. Much more.


GravatarGiant eagles will fly out of my butt before Sarah Palin gets elected president.


GravatarMy suburban hellhole claims to own the largest amount of open space per capita of any municipality in the US. Seems hard to believe that, but that's what its Wiki says.
Slartibartfast

they must be counting that devil mountain thingy


GravatarRed-tailed hawks in Manhattan.

Wow! those are some fantastic photographs.


GravatarBesides, ChiDy is busy in the garden, Erin.


GravatarGood Lord. Just spotted a "Jindal 2012" bumper sticker.
Troutski



Saw a car that had cut off the McCain off of a McCain/Palin sticker. That would be a hilarious campaign Jindal v Palin for repub candidate....


GravatarSmall town, in my def, is pop < 1,500 and at not within 25 miles of an urbanized area as defined by the US Census.

We hit 1200 last census, finally putting humans over the cows (several head of cattle died in a lightening strike).


GravatarSmall town, in my def, is pop < 1,500 and at not within 25 miles of an urbanized area as defined by the US Census.


I'd go a little larger than that, say 10 grand. I like your 25 mi urban qualifier.

You know where I grew up. I lived in a town of 6000 with towns of 12000 (17 mi), 30000 (30 mi), 5000 (30 mi), and 1200 (22 mi).

We moved to a city of 35000 when I was a teenager and I thought that was the big city.


GravatarI hope i don't have to apologize for calling David Gregory a moron. Or writing 'god you're dumb'. Or implying he was sniffing glue. Or saying his own son called him a whore. Or-

well you get the idea.


GravatarDaylilies. I haz em.


GravatarJust got off the phone with Welch's office, imploring him to once again vote no.

even though he is a Yes vote, called Kendrik Meek's office and explained this is not a good way to start his race for the Senate.


Gravatarthey must be counting that devil mountain thingy
ErinPDX


Nope. Mt Diablo is owned by the state. But they have a lot of open space on its flanks, so that many neighborhoods abut open space that goes all the way to the summit.


GravatarIf you like wild hawks in Manhattan, you'll love wild parrots in Brooklyn:

http://www.brooklynparrots.com/


Gravatarit was never about what Letterman said, it's all about grabbing yet more media attention. She's addicted to it.

She will cheerfully and enthusastically destroy her children's lives for more media attention.

She's a slut. It would be dishonest to characterize her in any other way.


Gravatarthe FBI used to have a field office in every city/metro area that had at least 35k residents.

J Edgar Hoover was visiting an FBI field office. The visit seemed to go ok, but just before he got on his plane, the Director said, apropos of nothing, "the man's a pinhead! Get rid of him!" The agents didn't know who he was talking about and they were too scared to ask, so they surreptitiously measured everyone's hat size and fired the one with the smallest head. (Cited in "No Left Turns".)


GravatarThe problem with generalizations is that they all omit certain aspects of the problem (including this one, I suppose.)

I would actually say our carbon footprint is pretty low comparatively.

Yes, we do drive when we need to go somewhere - but where we go is usually pretty close to home. (A mile to the grocery stores and restaurants - that sort of thing.

Our house is very energy efficient - massively insulated - and heating bills run about $125 in the winter and cooling bills about $80 in the summer. A lot of the time we use the minimum.

My sister who lives in Chicago drives much more than we do. Much more.
DWD | Homepage | 06.16.09 - 1:06 pm | #


There are always exceptions. On average, however ...


GravatarAtrios needs to have an official "tell us about your own suburban hellhole" thread.


GravatarWhen I was born, my hometown had around 36,000 in it. By the time I graduated high school, it was down to around 24,000.


Gravatari like the 50K ish number.
euphronius ahistorical

Muskegon (and the surrounding communities - Muskegon Heights, Fruitport, Roosevelt Park, North Muskegon, Norton Shores, and Egelston Township - is around 50 K

In some venues, Whitehall/Montague (14 miles North)and Grand Haven/Spring Lake (8 miles south)would be included in this figure. If that is the case the number is closer to 100 K.


GravatarAll goes to how you view "Town," "Village," and "City" as definitions.

To me, "City" encompasses places 10,000 or more - IOW, it's gonna have a Wal-Mart.

"Village" is an in-between status - somewhere between 2,000 and 7,500 or so. Small grocer.

"Town" is a rural-area cluster of small businesses, churches, etc. Quik-Trip.


GravatarI don't know why liberals in general and elected Democrats in particular have so much trouble understanding this.
Gummo

Like Reid's sternly written letters for cripe's sake! How damned stupid are those?


Gravatarhttp://www.brooklynparrots.com/
Gummo | 06.16.09 - 1:09 pm | #


That is so cool.


GravatarMy suburban hellhole claims to own the largest amount of open space per capita of any municipality in the US

Don't tell Atrios!


GravatarI'm against the bill because IMF headquarters is clearly not in an suburban setting.

Where's the massive parking lot? Where are the soulless shopping malls and strip centers?

It's un-American, I tells ya!


Gravatar... and that's how zippy left the FBI


Gravatareven though he is a Yes vote, called Kendrik Meek's office and explained this is not a good way to start his race for the Senate.

Excellent! No matter what their position or party, it's important to put them on notice.


GravatarBesides, ChiDy is busy in the garden, Erin.
bo



GravatarThat is so cool.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame


Next time you take a Green-Wood walk, make sure to get down to the 5th Avenue gate -- there's a whole colony of them living there.


GravatarAll goes to how you view "Town," "Village," and "City" as definitions.


Damn, I'd forgotten about those designations.


GravatarWhy is Batman a Superhero if he doesn't have any Superpowers? He's just rich.


GravatarRoadmaster, Vinyl Addict | Homepage | 06.16.09 - 1:10 pm |

Village < Town < City.


GravatarShe will cheerfully and enthusastically destroy her children's lives for more media attention.

She's a slut. It would be dishonest to characterize her in any other way.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 06.16.09 - 1:09 pm | #


I have to agree with you.


GravatarHubert H. Humphrey once said that, without professional sports, the Twin Cities would be a "cold Omaha". There's a reason he got a dome and charter airline terminal named after him.


GravatarAll goes to how you view "Town," "Village," and "City" as definitions.

Really, it's how they're incorporated. We only have 5 cities in Vermont.


Gravatarit was never about what Letterman said, it's all about grabbing yet more media attention. She's addicted to it.

Radio interview of the guy who wrote The Fame Formula: fame lasts 15 months on its own, after that you have to do something to get yourself back in the news.

I am 100% certain that she and all politicians, like celebrities, believe this and keep their names in the paper any way they can.


GravatarSamhita over at Feministing over the Palin Letterman kerfluffle.


GravatarIOW, it's gonna have a Wal-Mart. - Roadmaster, Vinyl Addict

I don't think Manhattan has a Wal-Mart. Does that make it not a city but an example of small town 'murka?


Gravatar*BWAAAAKKKK!*

GUMMO WANT A CRACKER?

*BWAAAAKKKK!*


GravatarWhat about hamlets?


Gravatara village can not have more than one traffic light.


GravatarTodd is right. New York has 5 boroughs and 5 counties but one Mayor. Greenwich Village has a Pope.


GravatarIf Mooselini had half a brain she'd realize that the Republican party has already thrown her in the ashtray.


GravatarHamlet < Village.


GravatarWhy is Batman a Superhero if he doesn't have any Superpowers? He's just rich.
annie


Because he can and will beat the everloving shit out of the likes of you.


GravatarGUMMO WANT A CRACKER?

*BWAAAAKKKK!*
Billy B


Sorry, buddy, cracker or not, you're not my type.


GravatarBG,

IF we included Grand Rapids and environs (30 miles) and Holland (26 miles) in our figures, it would be much closer to 1,000,000.

I know my sister drives much LONGER than we do. We can leave here and be in downtown GR in about 35 minutes. In Chicago, 35 minutes is about what it takes her to traverse the Damned Ryan from 115th St to the Loop.

And we are less than 3 hours from Chicago - 90 minutes from Lansing - and 3.5 hours from Detroit. (And four and a half HOURS from teh Bridge)


GravatarHamlets, I'm not sure.


GravatarAll goes to how you view "Town," "Village," and "City" as definitions.

Really, it's how they're incorporated. We only have 5 cities in Vermont.
NTodd,שלו


Well, state law, too. Far as I can tell (I've never looked it up in the Texas Government Code, which I think is where it was codified after I stopped practicing), Texas doesn't recognize "village" as a legal designation.

Lots of "villages" near me that call themselves "City of _______ Village," for example.


GravatarNO! MORE! MOOSE! LADY! VERSUS! COMICS!


GravatarIf you like wild hawks in Manhattan, you'll love wild parrots in Brooklyn:

We have wild parrots too.


GravatarGUMMO WANT A CRACKER?

Well, the Palins are in town.


GravatarWhat about hamlets?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame


A cut of meat you get from piglets?


GravatarSamhita over at Feministing over the Palin Letterman kerfluffle.
ellroon, smolderingwreckian | Homepage | 06.16.09 - 1:13 pm | #

I have no problem saying that Sarah Palin is a jerk because of her politics, yet I don't think it is OK to make sexist jokes about her or her daughters.

I don't get where saying that Alex Rodriguez knocked up Bristol is sexist. It's just as much of an indictment of him as it is of her.


GravatarHamlets, I'm not sure.
C/T, Fair Voter


Neither are they.


GravatarHamlets, I'm not sure.
C/T, Fair Voter | Homepage | 06.16.09 - 1:14 pm | #


the slings and arrows of unbridled development are a problem.


GravatarA cut of meat you get from piglets?
Gummo | 06.16.09 - 1:15 pm | #



GravatarThat incorporation thing is a back East deal.

Out here it's a matter of affectation. Los Altos CoC like to refer to it as "The Village", but there are no "town" or "village" designations. You incorporate, you're a city.


Gravatarhamlets are pretty crazy places. very depressing.


GravatarWe have wild parrots too.
fourlegsgood, PLUSHOLOGIST


I would think your climate was more to their liking than ours, but they're thriving here.


GravatarWhat about hamlets?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame

Too guilt ridden to be of much use.

Well, this information just flips Hamlet out.
He starts walkin' like this, with spit hangin' out his mouth.
His eyes are all bleary and his tongue looks worse,
And he's talkin' in couplets and blank fuckin' verse.
I mean the dude is indecisive,
He don't know how he'd like his eggs,
And he's got no opinion on tits, ass or legs.


Gravatarplantsman, or Herb as I prefer to call you, what a sneaky litte drama queen you are.

don't let facts get in the way of your story.

you're just jealous because Hartmut pays no attention to you.

twhat's funny is that he is no homophobe because he likes le to engage Incog. your nasty little personality doesn't appeal to him though.


GravatarWhat about hamlets?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame

Everybody dies in the end.


Gravatar[raises hand to volunteer]

okay, i feel better now

/rant off


GravatarWe have wild parrots too.
fourlegsgood, PLUSHOLOGIST | Homepage | 06.16.09 - 1:15 pm | #


And cute little bats!

You just don't expect wild parrots in Brooklyn. It gets cold here.


GravatarMy recollection is that Ohio had population limits for city, township, village, etc.

Lots of bedroom suburbs of Cleveland back in the day were villages - Bay Village, Mayfield Village, etc.


Gravatari believe i am owed cokes.


GravatarWe have wild parrots too. - fourlegsgood

Likewise SF and Sunnyvale, CA.


GravatarFERAL PARROTS!


GravatarSorry, buddy, cracker or not, you're not my type.


heh.

Well, the Palins are in town.


[RIMSHOT!!!]


GravatarTodd is right. New York has 5 boroughs and 5 counties but one Mayor. Greenwich Village has a Pope.
C/T, Fair Voter


Queens had a king, but he got cancelled.


Gravatari believe i am owed cokes.
euphronius ahistorical


It's good to have things you believe in.


GravatarAll goes to how you view "Town," "Village," and "City" as definitions.

A village has a white church steeple. The others do not.


GravatarWe have wild parrots too.

I have a friend in Johnson City who has written articles about the parrots in Austin.

We also have a small flock of parrots in Seward Park.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sew..._Park_(Seattle)


Gravatarbbl


GravatarSamhita over at Feministing over the Palin Letterman kerfluffle.
ellroon, smolderingwreckian


Let's see: Iraq, Afghanistan, elections in Iran, Darfur, Somalia, Middle East, Israel/Palestine, world-wide recession, healthcare, GM, banking system, financial system...

Personal life/duties/problems/obligation....

Sarah Palin v. David Letterman.

Hmmmm......how to prioritize....how to prioritize.....


Gravatarhere is one:

Town= one high school.


GravatarA village has a white church people. The others do not.
Lime Rickey

Fixt that for you/nc


GravatarThis supplemental vote is interesting. Jane Hamsher (at FDL) wants the vote to fail, because she wants us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. The GOP seem to want the bill to fail not only to deny the IMF its money, but to embarrass Obama and the Democrats generally.

I'd like to see us out of Iraq today, and Afghanistan in six months or so. On the other hand, I'm fine with the money to the IMF. (Matt links to this very short piece by Nina Hachigian at the Center for American Progress which makes a strong case for the IMF getting $5B from us.)

Hey, if Team Obama wants the bill, that's OK with me, at least for the time being. It seems to me voting against this money is not the best way to get us out of theatre, in any case. So long as we're there, I want the troops well equipped.

But it's interesting to see Jane and some other people I respect greatly on the same side as Team Red, at least, that's my impression.


GravatarAnd he's got no opinion on tits, ass or legs.
DWD | Homepage | 06.16.09 - 1:16 pm | #


Is that Lord Buckley?


Gravatardrive by Stoopid Kumputer Kweshun: does anyone know why the new scanner/printer/fax i'm installing comes with four discs, but only one of them is accepted by my machine? the other three all got spit out as unreadable. i, um, sort of lost the manual during the crazeeness here, so i'm not sure what they are supposed to be for. they say "vista" as part of the disc title, is that bc it refers to the OS for PCs and thus i don't need to use the discs on my mac? i think so, but i thought i'd check here with you Smart People. thanks.


GravatarLet's see: Iraq, Afghanistan, elections in Iran, Darfur, Somalia, Middle East, Israel/Palestine, world-wide recession, healthcare, GM, banking system, financial system...

Personal life/duties/problems/obligation....

Sarah Palin v. David Letterman.

Hmmmm......how to prioritize....how to prioritize.....
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist

Much more fun to talk about one stupid person than the world melting down...


Gravatar1500 people? dear god. thats not many people at all.

I went to skool in Lowell In, pop 3000. Crown Point, the county seat, at 10,000, was the Big City...


GravatarFERAL PARROTS!

Jeffraham, w/borrowed Fiddle


Another mark on the side of the suburbs in the ongoing urban/suburban wars.


Gravatarrootless-e, hegemonized,

No, Shel Silverstein.

http://www.lyricsmania.com/ lyric...ics_643841.html


GravatarSarah Palin v. David Letterman.

A plague o both those louses.


GravatarHere in Saskatchewan

City = Over 5,000 population or what you woudl call a village


GravatarWe have wild parrots too.
fourlegsgood, PLUSHOLOGIST

I would think your climate was more to their liking than ours, but they're thriving here.
Gummo | 06.16.09 - 1:16 pm | #


THey nest in the big lights that surround our intramural fields.

I had no idea parrots had been in Brooklyn since the 60's.


GravatarAnother mark on the side of the suburbs in the ongoing urban/suburban wars.
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist


Sorry, Brooklyn is many things, but it ain't no suburb.


Gravatari, um, sort of lost the manual during the crazeeness here, so i'm not sure what they are supposed to be for. they say "vista" as part of the disc title, is that bc it refers to the OS for PCs and thus i don't need to use the discs on my mac? i think so, but i thought i'd check here with you Smart People. thanks.
chicago dyke, computerized

You can usually find the manual on the net, now...


GravatarI bet you teh germans have a very clear cut system of definitions.

*this is not a post generalizing germans*


Gravatarchicago dyke, computerized,

Google the manufacturer and model #. You will find a site with downloadable software.

Just download it and run.


GravatarHere in Saskatchewan

I think heaven is going to look like the poplar forests in Saskatchewan I saw on TV.


GravatarWhy is Palin here again?

Is she buying a fall wardrobe?

Who is paying this time?


GravatarGiant eagles will fly out of my butt before Sarah Palin gets elected president.
Slartibartfast


Her campaign may want to hire you...


GravatarYou just don't expect wild parrots in Brooklyn. It gets cold here.

Contrary to popular belief, parrots are not hothouse flowers. Parrots that live in the Australian outback, such as those cute little cockatiels, withstand extremes of weather - near freezing at night in winter, over 95 during the day in the summer. There are parrots native to Patagonia and even the mountains of New Zealand. And the monk parrots of New York are an Argentinian parrot that often raids corn fields.


GravatarMy urban hellhole can beat up your urban hellhole.


GravatarLetterman is being concerned trolled at Feministing.

Palin is the one who opened the door by shoving her kids into the spotlight to serve her Satanic ambition.

Fuck Palin.


GravatarHyde Park is sort of famous for its large number of big green wild parrots.

About fifteen years ago, I was teaching Catherine how to ride a bike. We went over to the local park, Nicholls, and lo, there were about (I counted) 50 of 'em all on the ground, spread out like an emerald-dotted carpet. Like stumbling into Attar's Conference of the Birds. They did not pay the slightest attention to us as we came within three or four feet of them.

A little eerie, no pun intended.


GravatarI think heaven is going to look like the poplar forests in Saskatchewan I saw on TV.
Anthony McCarthy


You sir would be a fan of La Ronge


GravatarMy urban hellhole can beat up your urban hellhole.
AndyMN, Unalloted | Homepage | 06.16.09 - 1:21 pm | #


Them's fightin' words!


GravatarSorry, Brooklyn is many things, but it ain't no suburb.
Gummo


No feral parrots in the 'burbs. Bats, cockroaches the size of dachsunds, mosquitos the size of B-52's...flash floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, hail storms....

but no feral parrots.

We win.


GravatarA little eerie, no pun intended.
David Derbes, optimistic


Why not, it's a good pun.


Gravatarjoking about the palin women liking to fuck, ain't fucking funny at all


GravatarFuck Palin.
Apprentice to Darth Holden


Can you arrange it?


GravatarGiant eagles will fly out of my butt before Sarah Palin gets elected president.
I thought that's what she was working on for 2012.


GravatarSorry, no feral parrots = EPIC LOSE.


GravatarPalin does use her children, but Letterman should have put a sock in it too. I like him sometimes but that was just stupid.


Gravatarthey say "vista" as part of the disc title, is that bc it refers to the OS for PCs and thus i don't need to use the discs on my mac?

Yes.

You may well not need to install anything, but if you do it will easily fit on one CD.


GravatarGood afternoon, folks:

TACOMA, Wash. — Bob Bogle, lead guitarist and co-founder of the rock band The Ventures, known for 1960s instrumental hits like "Walk, Don't Run," has died at age 75.

Don Wilson, the band's other co-founder, tells The News Tribune of Tacoma, Wash., that Bogle became ill over the weekend and died Sunday.

The band sold millions of albums and heavily influenced other rock guitarists. It was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2008.

Among its other hits were "Perfidia" and the theme from "Hawaii Five-O."

The band got its start in 1958 in Tacoma. Bogle played lead and bass and Wilson played rhythm guitar. They were soon joined by Nokie Edwards, another guitarist, and drummer Howie Johnson, later replaced by Mel Taylor.


GravatarI bet you teh germans have a very clear cut system of definitions.

It's funny that you say that because in this case, no. The word Stadt means both town and city. (You can Großstadt for "big city".)


GravatarDavid, i guess i am opposed to the funding bill, bc i think the only way to end the wars is to cut off the money. i'm deeply, deeply irritated that ending the wars seems all of the sudden not such an important priority to dems, who rode to a majority promising to do just that but somehow..."can't." that's crap. every day we are in those countries we make more enemies, kill more people, waste more money we don't have.

they can write a separate IMF funding bill. but the wars need to end, and i wish someone could tell me how that's going to happen, short of political games with funding bills for them.


GravatarYou sir would be a fan of La Ronge
olexicon, mike sass

I shall look it up.


GravatarSorry, no feral parrots = EPIC LOSE.



Hmmm... maybe the eagles and hawks we do get round here ate them all!


GravatarNo feral parrots in the 'burbs. Bats, cockroaches the size of dachsunds, mosquitos the size of B-52's...flash floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, hail storms....

but no feral parrots.

We win.
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist

/makes note about B-52s...

And just where is it that you live?


GravatarPalin does use her children, but Letterman should have put a sock in it too. I like him sometimes but that was just stupid.
Anthony McCarthy


Hey, he apologized to the kids. He didn't apologize to Governor Carhop.

She's one of the biggest hypocrites out there.


Gravatardamn Marcellina i thought you were gone!


GravatarChiDy: DWD has given you very good advice. If the disks say "Vista", definitely you don't want 'em for your Mac. But the chances are excellent that the software has been upgraded.

Get thee to the manufacturer's web site and look for either "Support" or "Downloads" and see if either are there, and if they have something useful for your machine.

In fact, you might not need anything. Macs often work with equipment right out of the box. You might try plugging it into your Mac and giving it a whirl.


GravatarOh, hell, looks like I'm going to have to watch Conan O'Brien this week.

"With temperatures in the nineties, and humidity hovering somewhere around 1000 percent, we made our way over to the comedy tent to watch a set from Triumph the Insult Comic Dog that he dubbed Bonnapoo. In a set that recalled his legendary Star Wars bit (only substituting hippies for geeks), Triumph took great delight in taking potshots at the hippiefest that is Bonnaroo ("It's kind of like the Superdome at Hurricane Katrina, only outdoors and without the hope") and the amount of drugs that were flying around the festival grounds ("You people are so high that I'm the fourth talking dog you've seen today"). Triumph would end up being a fixture at the festival throughout the weekend — Robert Smigel told us they were filming a segment for the Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien that "would hopefully air sometime this week" — and even managed to briefly duet with Bruce Springsteen on "Tenth Avenue Freeze-out" on Saturday night. But we're getting ahead of ourselves."

Could be a hot one!


GravatarHmmm... maybe the eagles and hawks we do get round here ate them all!
The Old Man From Scene 24


We have hawks too, but I envy you the eagles.


Gravatarthey can write a separate IMF funding bill. but the wars need to end, and i wish someone could tell me how that's going to happen, short of political games with funding bills for them.
chicago dyke, computerized


Well, first we have to change the society to eliminate teenage driving and move everybody into Manhattan.

We'll get to your issue next....


GravatarThe German word for both "town" and "city" is Stadt, while a city with more than 100,000 inhabitants is called a Großstadt (big city). On the other hand, most towns are communities belonging to a Landkreis (county or rural district), but there are some cities, usually with at least 50,000 inhabitants, that are counties by themselves (kreisfreie Städte). Germany's largest cities are Berlin, Hamburg and Munich although the largest urban area is in the Rhine-Ruhr region around such cities as Dortmund and Essen.


GravatarHey, he apologized to the kids. He didn't apologize to Governor Carhop.

I think it was a good way to handle the situation. I've always had good feelings about Letterman since reading in Passport to World Band Radio that he was a DXer.


Gravatarvoting against funding = hating military and killing troops


Oh, the Repigs don't hate the troops.

They don't care enough about them to hate them.

To them, they are tools....a means to an end.


Gravatar Bob Bogle, lead guitarist and co-founder of the rock band The Ventures, known for 1960s instrumental hits like "Walk, Don't Run," has died at age 75.




GravatarNo parrots but we do have these:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/340...57612952749272/


GravatarAnd he's got no opinion on tits, ass or legs. - DWD

That's unamerican I tells ya!

I for one am in favor of all three.


GravatarNo parrots but we do have these:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/340...57612952749272/
The Old Man From Scene 24


Beautiful.


GravatarHeh Yoof, just lurking a bit.


Gravatardrive by Stoopid Kumputer Kweshun: does anyone know why the new scanner/printer/fax i'm installing comes with four discs, but only one of them is accepted by my machine? the other three all got spit out as unreadable. i

Vista probably refers to the scanner. "Vistascan" is software to run it. Odd about a Mac rejecting anything as unraedable. Thot that was a Microsoft thing...


Gravatarjoking about the palin women liking to fuck, ain't fucking funny at all

It's not that they like to fuck. It's that they're fundie assholes who are constantly "don't do as I do, do as I say".

Which is why I have no sympathy at all for Bristol. Still spouting off about "abstinence" when it's painfully obvious that she cannot keep her own legs together, but furthermore, doesn't take responsible precautions because to do so would be "admitting" that she's a slut!


GravatarI think it was a good way to handle the situation. I've always had good feelings about Letterman since reading in Passport to World Band Radio that he was a DXer.
Anthony McCarthy


As I said last night, my friend - he made the apology. He moves on.

If the Wasilla Hillbillies keep harping on it and whining about, it only shows them up for the no-class, pretentious trash that they are.


GravatarNo parrots but we do have these:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/340...57612952749272/
The Old Man From Scene 24

Beautiful.
Gummo

One of my favorite birds!


GravatarPalin does use her children, but Letterman should have put a sock in it too. I like him sometimes but that was just stupid.



that pretty much sums it up for me.

why give Givernor Go-Go any way to leverage herself back into the discussion?


GravatarWe'll get to your issue next....
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist

I was wondering how much of B. Russell's late polemical writing might have been because he really was POed at Godel. But I'm back at work so I won't be able to research it for a while.


GravatarIggle:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/340...57612178364052/


GravatarChiDy, I also want to see the wars over, especially Iraq.

Afghanistan seems to me a much more nuanced thing. The country was "run" by women-hating religious wackos for about twenty years; these guys provided a haven for al Qaeda. I think it's worth trying to help the citizens of Afghanistan put their house in order, though it may not be possible.

I guess I'd like to give Afghanistan a little longer.


Gravatar""Now that you ate the chicken, you wanna try and hide the bones?
With your poetry and promises you messed up my brain,
You are a dirty dog – and not a great Dane."
"Please," says Hamlet, "I'm in a crazed condition.
Can't you see I'm torn by indecision?
To be or not to be? That's the fuckin' question
That's givin' me migraines and indigestion.
Should I take arms against a sea of trouble,
Or just walk around goin' gubble-gubble-gubble?""

Nice.


GravatarAll this talk of birds and now pictures thereof.

It reminds me: whatever happened to w00t?


GravatarIt's not that they like to fuck. It's that they're fundie assholes who are constantly "don't do as I do, do as I say".


Thank you.

It's also galling these people keep rubbing our noses in their bullshit.


Gravatari thought Russell was pissed off because his wife had too many kids and Wittgenstein punked him.


GravatarI often get to see a pair of bald eagles, herons, and painted turtles on my bus ride, part of which is near the Arboretum. I have also seen osprey and kingfishers nearby.

And right now, the crows will be swooping low over the water to scoop up the spawned out three-spined sticklebacks that are floating on the surface of Lake Washington.


Gravatarbecause to do so would be "admitting" that she's a slut!
Apprentice to Darth Holden

The brass tacks of the problem for every 'good' girl.

Hence the teen pregnancy problem.


Gravatararen''t the palins racists if they think there is anything wrong with joking about bristol getting knocked up by A-ROD?

horrible horrible racists, who like to fuck like wild hares, by all accounts?


GravatarIf the Wasilla Hillbillies keep harping on it

Say what you will about Palin, she can smell a marketing opportunity a continent away.

I've got to go. See you later.


GravatarFrom an article on Monk Parrots

"Monk Parakeets are the only parrots which build free-standing nests (all other parrots build their nests in tree cavities and similar places)," says Kelly. "Some of those nests can be impressively large and one in South America weighed almost a ton. Local nests are never that big, but they're still pretty sturdy. The parakeets' actual living space lies in the middle of a bushel or more of twigs, so when really cold weather hits, they've got a nice, cozy home to retreat to."


GravatarHello moonbats


Gravatarthe largest urban area is in the Rhine-Ruhr region around such cities as Dortmund and Essen.

Yeah, up there the cities are just kind of connected to each other the way Manhattan is one neighborhood after another.


GravatarNice baldie Old Man!


Gravatarmaybe we should try and not kill anyone abroad for a change

you know not solve the world's problems with bombs and M-16s

radical I know


GravatarIt's also galling these people keep rubbing our noses in their bullshit

i will admit to being slightly peeved at letterman for giving them an opening. you give these people an inch, and they take it out of the known universe.


Gravatarthe largest urban area is in the Rhine-Ruhr region around such cities as Dortmund and Essen.

Wupppertal!


GravatarOne of my favorite birds!

mine too! I have a bunch of photos of them

http://www.flickr.com/photos/340...57612952749272/


GravatarThe Slutty Stewardess Look would make a good Halloween costume, but no one will remember it by then.


Gravatarmaybe we should try and not kill anyone abroad for a change

you know not solve the world's problems with bombs and M-16s

radical I know
Moonbootica, Avout

You want to make the world economy collapse!!1!!?!1


GravatarI see Heidi of the Austin Alps is still picking on plantsman.

I wouldn't mind seeing "her" get banned again.


Gravataryou give these people an inch, and they take it out of the known universe.




Exactly.


GravatarTeenage girls who have children are sluts now?


GravatarAfghanistan seems to me a much more nuanced thing. The country was "run" by women-hating religious wackos for about twenty years; these guys provided a haven for al Qaeda.

And before that, they loved women and treated 'em as equals?

I think it's worth trying to help the citizens of Afghanistan put their house in order, though it may not be possible.

I guess I'd like to give Afghanistan a little longer.
David Derbes, optimistic


The best metaphor I have for culture is genetics. And you can no more change the culture of a country/people by military intervention than you can change someone's genetic makeup by surgery.

It's a lost cause, and not only not our responsibility, we're fools to try.

IMHO.


Gravatarchicagodyke honey
we're just supposed to
Let Go Let Obama


GravatarTriumph the Insult Comic Dog at a Bon Jovi show outside Brendan Byrne arena was perhaps his finest moment.

(Triumph's, not Bon Jovi or Brendan Byrnes.)


Gravatarbut no feral parrots.

We win.
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist


I'm shocked that there are no parrots in Houston.

That U noes of anyway.


Gravatar"It was examined by Russell and Moore; at the end of the thesis defence, Wittgenstein clapped the two examiners on the shoulder and said, "Don't worry, I know you'll never understand it.""


GravatarFrom an article on Monk Parrots

They are unique for those communal stick nests. There are a few other communal parrots, the Patagonian conure is one, it nests in cliffsides.


GravatarAfghanistan can be summed up in this line 'Where Empires Go to Die'


GravatarIncidentally for ChiDy and other Mac folks who use a scanner: I have yet to find better scanner software than Hamrick's VueScan. Supports everything. Shareware. Costs about $40, and that's the last money you'll spend; lifetime updates.


GravatarThe Slutty Stewardess Look would make a good Halloween costume, but no one will remember it by then.
Marcellina |


I was hoping that Palin (my neighbor says she reminds her more of a 1950s carhop...all that's missing are the roller skates)would be forgotten about three months after the election, but unfortunately the media are still in love with her.


GravatarThe Slutty Stewardess Look would make a good Halloween costume, but no one will remember it by then.

Palin will have drummed up several more crises by then.

It wasn't a week ago that she had the republics up in arms for snubbing her sorry ass when it was actually she who did the snubbing. And it was all a setup.


GravatarIt reminds me: whatever happened to w00t?

W00t was on a few nights ago trying sell us some Uighers.


GravatarThere are parrots in houston.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story....ay/ 6472997.html

Of course, the Austin ones are more cool.


Gravatarhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/340...57612952749272/
The Old Man From Scene 24

Wow, nice! Where do you live, that you can get these photos?

One one of our visits to Point Reyes in California I watched a heron for about half an hour while it hunted fish. Amazing patience.


Gravatarsheeeeeeeeets


GravatarTeenage girls who have children are sluts now?

In Jeebusland, they always have been.


GravatarOT: The Goethe Institute continues to find new ways to dabble in the cultural relationship between Germans and Egyptians, this time bringing the Berlinland club scene to Egypt in the form of DJ Mia.

One of Germany’s top club DJs, she was introduced to Egypt’s cafe-culture shores in the unlikely settings of a family folk festival in Sohag followed by the heart of Cairo’s underground arts scene: the Rawabet Theater, a performance which she categorized as minimal club techno.

DJ Mia has two albums under her sleeve, “Shwarzweiss” (2004) and “Bittersuess” (2007). Her music is haunting, melodic and meditative, ranging from classic blues and remixes to cutting-edge experimentalism with electronic sounds. Thus, Mia comes in different guises and the audience only received a hint of that during her performances.

The crowd at Rawabet Theater on Friday night was a mixed bunch with varying expectations. Advertised as minimal electro, it was — understandably — much to the disappointment of electronica outfit Bikya’s fan base (Bikya being the special guest of the night), when Mia began to belt out Berlin club anthems. The audience, in their polite yet consistent manner, gradually trickled out.


http:// www.thedailynewsegypt.com...ArticleID=22412


Gravatarnekkid sheets


GravatarYou wanna suck out all the coal and level a mountain top Mr. Strip Miner? No problem, just slip ol' buddy barak a fiver.


GravatarThis one is beautiful just for the composition.


Gravatari thought Russell was pissed off because his wife had too many kids and Wittgenstein punked him.
euphronius ahistorical


Wittgenstein on one side, Godel on the other. Russell has the rare distinction of being the founder of a school of philosophy which came to a complete end in his lifetime.

Whitehead invented process theology, Russell became an anti-war activist. Gotta do somethin' with your time....


GravatarSay what you will about Palin


Oh, and I will.

You betcha!


GravatarNice baldie Old Man!

There are several pairs nesting in the area these days and we get lots of them wintering in the region.


Gravatarhis wife had too many kids


His WIFE had too many kids?

Hey, unless they were all immaculate conceptions, I think he had SOMETHING to do with that.


GravatarComment by Ain't Dat Sumpin' blocked.


FORP


GravatarI'm shocked that there are no parrots in Houston.

That U noes of anyway.
fourlegsgood, PLUSHOLOGIST


I spend too much time here to keep up with local matters....


GravatarWow, nice! Where do you live, that you can get these photos?

A suburban hellhole near Kansas City. Its all that superfluous green space that does it.


GravatarDamned green space!


GravatarMy hometown doesn't have parrots, or Michele Malkin, thank God. But it does have a marvelous supply of lightning bugs and for the past two nights they've put on a heck of a show. One of life's little joys, I think.


GravatarThe brass tacks of the problem for every 'good' girl.

Hence the teen pregnancy problem.
ellroon, smolderingwreckian | Homepage | 06.16.09 - 1:29 pm | #


Well, it's not like Levi took the appropriate precautions, either.


Gravatar"drudge makes our wee-wee hard"-cable news


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