HULK SMASHED
It's the struggle that makes you strong.
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My years at the computer have made me too strong.
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G'night. I can deal with the substantive fight from the previous threads but this is just too much for my womanly heart to endure.
Wasn't Justin Long rather badly killed in Jeepers Creepers??
I was hoping for a post with more substance.
I meant the fight over "substantive". Jeesh.
YOU WILL BURN IN HELL, DUNCAN
Macs rule, dammit!
I'm completely convinced you want to own a PC too.
A commerical hipster is an oxymoron.
I really, really, really hate those ads.
I want to shoot both of them in the face.
Good night everyone.
I think they went down the wrong path when they strayed from DOS.
Or OS/2, actually.
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G'night.
This (rarely) grumpy woman needs to wake up to a new dawn.
Peace.
Yeah, that's the "problem" (from Apple's perspective) with those commercials. The hilarious thing is, Apple has never figured it out.
Of course, Apple doesn't really want to be a "successful" company. It wants to be a "niche" company, with an incredibly gullible fanbase that will buy whatever new crap they come out with every year, not because they "need" it or their old crap doesn't work, but because the new crap is deemed "cool."
macs are for dorks. as an ex-apple droid I understand their needs and desires, but still, they are pretty dork dork dorky.
it's a fucking box.
I am honestly a bit puzzled about Atrios' apparent lack of understanding who's the PC and who's the Mac. Seriously, it seems pretty fucking clear to the casual observer.
PhDs.
[shakes head sadly]
Who buys computers based on the manufacturer's commercials? Jeesh.
It is similar to comparing Obama to any of the other candidates in the Democratic field. The low information voter with little knowledge of politics will choose Obama, while those with more experience and an above average knowledge will choose one of the other candidates. An above average voter, I oppose Obama, who panders to low information voters.
Macs are the computers for above average computer users. Low information computer users prefer PCs.
Dave nails it.
It wants to be a "niche" company, with an incredibly gullible fanbase that will buy whatever new crap they come out with every year, not because they "need" it or their old crap doesn't work, but because the new crap is deemed "cool."
Here, try this broader brush: I'm able to paint all the Iraqis schools with one stroke.
PC's are Republican
Apples are Democrats.
NTodd--so you've discovered we're useless. Was bound to happen sooner or later 
dave™©
i hate you
Macs rule, dammit!
Since Macs were brought up...
I successfully hacked my MacBook Pro Core Duo by installing an 802.11n wifi card from a Mac Pro into it. Rock on, I went from 25Mbit/sec to 200 Mbit/sec, w00t.
Now if the Apple TV would ship...
Despite the nearly 15 years of working in the computer bidness, I can say, without a shadow of a doubt that both PC's and Mac's suck.
The best computer system ever was the Altair.
PC's are Republican
Apples are Democrats.
Ferris
yes
PC's are Republican
Apples are Democrats.
Ferris
Blow me.
I am going to strangle KittyCunt.
I'm blogging on a PC junior.
With a chicklet keyboard.
Bill Gates is a vagina.
A friend of mine's three rules of computers, be they Macs or PCs:
1. All computers are stupid.
2. All hard drives crash.
3. Hit the save button a lot.
When I don't have to think about computers, they're fine. When I have to outwit them just to make them do what they did seventeen minutes ago, they piss me off...
I'm completely convinced I want to own a PC
You already do, right? So you're all set.
t wants to be a "niche" company, with an incredibly gullible fanbase that will buy whatever new crap they come out with every year, not because they "need" it or their old crap doesn't work, but because the new crap is deemed "cool."
Dave, you shock me. The reason I buy Mac is because I DON'T have to buy a new box all the damn time. The one on my desk is 4 years old.
You're painting with a broad brush there.
ProfWombat--I should hope this inn would have a well stocked bar, oil lamps, and a roaring fire.
the commercial is emotional reinforcement for people whose identities are oddly wrapped up in the computer they own, but it won't sell a single extra Mac.
I just got my commodore 64 upgraded.
Pong is fuckin' smokin'.
I'm blogging on a PC junior.
With a chicklet keyboard.
I'm on a Coleco Adam.
I'm playing Donkey Kong right now!
PC's are Republican
Apples are Democrats.
Ferris
Yeah. WhatEv!
I'm blogging on a PC junior.
With a chicklet keyboard.
[looks at office closet, wonders how much Jr is worth...]
well, iTunes works just fine on my HP, and on my iPod, and on my motorola phone, so why would I want to switch to a Mac?
Duncan will not leave us all night with this PC/Mac thread, is he?
what a cruel man
It's fairly obvious John Hodgeman is a Mac user. So your argument makes no sense!
I like Macs in that I don't like to be insulted when I'm on the computer that much. Using windows is like getting dick slapped every 5 minutes.
nostadumbass,
When did you predict the ensuing conflagration of this inevitable PC/Mac flame war?
Nite, all.
Well, as I sit here watching Fantasia on my Mac whilst commenting on my PC, I find that I'm tired of substance and computing, so I bid all you fuckers goodnight.
What's the Mac identity? Upper middle class grunge?
sallyh: and a wall full of books, one of which will have a poem in it of which I'm quite fond, but haven't read for years, much less out loud to a friend...
Windows are Yellow Elephants
Mac OS is Neil Young
I think people should just use the computer they like and feel comfortable with.
The best computer system ever was the Altair.
David (Austin Tx)
GEMDOS or TOS?
[looks at office closet, wonders how much Jr is worth...]
NTodd, Low Substantivist
I'm thinking I need to break out my Atari 800
Why are you PC owners so obnoxious?
You seem so angry. Perhaps you should all take a valium.
Sinclair ZX80, baby!
1K of memory and built-in BASIC! You can store thousands of recipes on a cassette recorder! Yowza!
I just want a decently priced UMPC, and I want it now.
I think people should just use the computer they like and feel comfortable with.
Yeah, me too.
I really don't care about people that prefer PCs. But it seems like they're incensed that I prefer Macs.
They should get a life.
4Legs--I'm a PC user, and I have no issue with Macs or Mac users. The reason I use PCs is because I'm more familiar with them. I'm sure you feel the same way about your Mac.
You're painting with a broad brush there.
Nope. That's their business plan and they have a great big wankfest called "Macworld" every year where they put it into practice. All the fanboys work themselves up into a sweaty froth and the tech journalists "ooh" and "aah" and the next year, all that shit from last year is uncool and the new cool is proclaimed. And a big percentage of those morons go out and drop another $1500.
It's sad. It's stupid. It's true. It's how Apple makes a profit. Deal with it.
PC's are Tom Delay.
Amigas are Spanish girlfriends.
There was a (a guess false) rumor that Apple was discontinuing that ad for that precise reason.
After all who wants a computer that acts like a hipster?
Man I gotta tell ya, that just rubbed me raw, chaffed my shorts and I give up on this place!!!! A PC advocate???
I am going, really. No more Eck to kick around. (Well no one kicks me around, but you know what I mean)
You will be sorry when I am gone. If you even notice.
Okay, don't get all hysterical, my mind is made up.
NTodd--we've got an old Onyx box in the garage. Monsieur will not permit me to dispose of it.
I think people should just use the computer they like and feel comfortable with.
Same here. I use a Mac, but I don't give a fuck what type of machine other people use. What possible difference could it make?
You seem so angry. Perhaps you should all take a valium.
fourlegsgood
i love you!
Okay, one more chance. I am give this place one more try before I say Finito, game over.
I just want a decently priced UMPC, and I want it now.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
I just want one that works.
And doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
EkCenTrik--wait! Don't go!
Amiga.
The first dual processor puter before most of you owned one.
It also found a prominent role in the video production and show control business.
Considered "ahead of its time" due to being built from the ground up as a multimedia and multitasking machine, it was a less-expensive alternative to the Apple Macintosh and IBM-PC. Amiga also had arguably better hardware for the price than those two alternatives. The Amiga community has accused Commodore of poor marketing, resulting in the Amiga mostly being sold as a home-gaming machine, although early Commodore advertisements attempted to place the Amiga into several different markets at the same time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga
I don't want a computer to delight me. I want the sucker to stay the hell out of my way.
It's sad. It's stupid. It's true. It's how Apple makes a profit. Deal with it.
dave™©
Good job.
I enjoy being insulted. Now, kiss my centaur ass.
I like the ads...think their clever...and the new one with the security guy is spot on. Vista will ask you to the point of re-installing XP about security related settings.
For the slow, I'm mocking the ad campaign, not Macs. I haven't spent enough time on a Mac recently to have any opinion.
Same here. I use a Mac, but I don't give a fuck what type of machine other people use. What possible difference could it make?
I dunno. They seem to be in a froth over it.
I don't get it.
"I just want one that works."
And doesn't look like something from MOMA.
I have one of these.
I wonder if I can get it on the Internet.
One of my favorite Dilbert strips, the original computer snobs. Or maybe that "honor" should fall to VMS users...
ProfWombat--I expect mine to be docile, silent servants, willing to cater to my whims.
I like Macs because the cvompany advertising tells me that if I buy their brand of consumer appliance it makes me a rebel and a free thinker like John Lennon. I hear that Electrolux is going to take the same marketing approach for vaccuum cleaners.
a thursday is a beautiful day for a GUILTY verdict
Dave, you shock me. The reason I buy Mac is because I DON'T have to buy a new box all the damn time. The one on my desk is 4 years old.
Really? My Dell PC is 7 years old. Needless to say, I've not felt compelled to buy a new computer.
unless you're paying complete attention it's rarely obvious just who is supposed to be the personification of which computer.
It's just an ad aimed at reassuring the base - like the swift boats. Only a self-righteous Mac user would know who was who out w/o close attention.
(note I do not think all mac users are self righteous, but c'mon people we all know them)
For the slow, I'm mocking the ad campaign, not Macs. I haven't spent enough time on a Mac recently to have any opinion.
Well, some of us got it.
(I've been known to almost kill myself looking for the remote to turn the fuckers off.)
After all who wants a computer that acts like a hipster?
Fledermaus
"BEEP! That email to your mother is lame. BEEP! Do you, like, soak you hands in WD40 before using me? BEEP! Upgrade my RAM, lame-o, or I won't get you into the cool web sites. BEEP!"
From the current NYMagazine -- fantastic piece on Mary Weiss, lead singer of ultimate girl group the Shangri-las (Leader of the Pack), who has her first album in decades coming out next week.
And you Canadians should elsewhere in the same issue for a very nice photo spread on the very silly (I keed, I keed) Arcade Fire.
One of my favorite Dilbert strips, the original computer snobs. Or maybe that "honor" should fall to VMS users...
puppethead
Having worked for the VMS company, Unix rocks.
As we all know, the "Dude you're getting a Dell" Windows ads were so much better...
I really don't care about people that prefer PCs. But it seems like they're incensed that I prefer Macs.
They should get a life.
fourlegsgood
WTF???
It's the Mac owners that start this flamefest *almost* every single fucking time.
I
DON'T
CARE
But "get a Mac" gets pretty fucking old.
I wrangle 4 Macs at work, BTW.
Everyone must build their own computer from the MoBo up. Easier to do with a PC.
Really? My Dell PC is 7 years old. Needless to say, I've not felt compelled to buy a new computer.
Well, that's nice.
Would you like a medal? My point was that I don't feel compelled to run out and buy something new either, not that you guys do.
Sheesh.
That commercial makes me want to fence a stolen computer and go buy some rocks.
Or those fucking Microsoft butterfly commercials...
on the very silly (I keed, I keed) Arcade Fire.
steve simels
I WANT A DIVORCE!
Actually I have become convinced today that choice in computers will matter little for the day to day need.
I have spent a part of the day playing with Google Apps. Good and bad, it is pretty slick. Somebody is finally getting the right idea.
It's the Mac owners that start this flamefest *almost* every single fucking time.
Go back and see who started it this time.
Fuck.
With a chicklet keyboard.
A guy that used to work for me wrote some neat utilities for that. He made friends with lots of IBMers from that.
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Nostra: how hard is that to do? I have an old tower that stopped working one day about 4 years ago; wonder if I can put new stuff in it for not a lot of skill or coin...
4Legs--would you like a nice warm cookie?
I have spent a part of the day playing with Google Apps. Good and bad, it is pretty slick. Somebody is finally getting the right idea.
Yeah, we got a taste of that last week. Some of them are pretty slick.
i have to go to bed, au revoir
"Wednesday, February 28, 2007
Wash Post: Top officials at Walter Reed knew about problems for years; GOP congressman's complaints ignored, soldier found sleeping in his own urine
by John Aravosis (DC) · 2/28/2007 11:03:00 PM ET
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A US soldier was sleeping in his own urine at Walter Reed, the wife of a Republican congressman witnessed it and complained, and nobody did a damn thing.
God bless Dana Priest. THIS is what reporting looks like. It's not about being partisan. It's about doing your job, and hopefully making the world a better place at the same time.
From the front page of tomorrow's Washington Post:
Top officials at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, including the Army's surgeon general, have heard complaints about outpatient neglect from family members, veterans groups and members of Congress for more than three years.
A procession of Pentagon and Walter Reed officials expressed surprise last week about the living conditions and bureaucratic nightmares faced by wounded soldiers staying at the D.C. medical facility. But as far back as 2003, the commander of Walter Reed, Lt. Gen. Kevin C. Kiley, who is now the Army's top medical officer, was told that soldiers who were wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan were languishing and lost on the grounds, according to interviews.
GOP congressman was rebuffed when he brought problems to the attention of the authorities at Walter Reed:"
http://americablog.blogspot.com/
Nothing like an OS flame war for entertainment.
This 20 year digital content creator appreciates Apple as the standard by which all industrial design should be measured.
I'd be happy if every cellphone maker in the world threw out their clumsy, unintuitive interfaces and licensed Apple's, but I need cheap computing horsepower, not stylish packaging, to get my art done, and you don't get that from Apple.
I do find insufferable the entire self aggrandizing fashion/marketing/company philosphy surrounding Apple. For Pete's sake, we can't all be hip 20 something flmmakers, with carefully cultivated 2.5 day beard growths. Apple's marketing is not at all subtle,
the "genius bar" in the store? please. Perhaps a shiny laptop will get you some attention when you pull it out in Starbuck's, but I bet it doesn't really get you laid.
"It's the Mac owners that start this flamefest *almost* every single fucking time."
Strangely, my experience is a bit akin to what happens when someone finds out I smoke. They waste no time telling me how terrible a Mac is just like they have to tell me how nasty a habit smoking is.
sallyh: the poor dears do get their dander up about this sort of thing, don't they?
I have one of these.
I wonder if I can get it on the Internet.
David (Austin Tx)
I have one of these
4Legs--would you like a nice warm cookie?
Sure!
Good night dearie.
The first dual processor puter before most of you owned one.
I'm glad you put that "most" in their, young 'un.
Workbench was *the* best OS ever.
Not that it would do today's task's but today's OSes could use some of that design philosophy.
Lean and creative.
ProfWombat--all I want is a nice, agreeable electronic slave.
And a brandy with my favorite marsupial.
"In 2004, Rep. C.W. Bill Young (R-Fla.) and his wife stopped visiting the wounded at Walter Reed out of frustration. Young said he voiced concerns to commanders over troubling incidents he witnessed but was rebuffed or ignored. "When Bev or I would bring problems to the attention of authorities of Walter Reed, we were made to feel very uncomfortable," said Young, who began visiting the wounded recuperating at other facilities.
Beverly Young said she complained to Kiley several times. She once visited a soldier who was lying in urine on his mattress pad in the hospital. When a nurse ignored her, Young said, "I went flying down to Kevin Kiley's office again, and got nowhere. He has skirted this stuff for five years and blamed everyone else."
Kiley is now the US Army's Surgeon General. What is this man still doing with a job?
Someone is going to be on the short list for a Pulitzer. http://americablog.blogspot.com/
Actually, in all fairness to Salon, they had this story on Tuesday."
Mary Weiss is coming to SXSW next month. Can't wait.
Speaking of the IBM Chicklet keyboard.
I want to mod one like this.
That turn of the century brass keyboard look is too fucking cool.
sallyh: yes, if you please, and leave the curtains open so the morning sun shines in.
"Yeah, we got a taste of that last week. Some of them are pretty slick.
fourlegsgood, kittenslave "
Well we are seriously considering moving our email front end to Google. The advantages cost and labor wise are compelling. On the other hand, I am bit nervous over letting go of the function, at least initially.
what you say of the commercials is true, but this luddite is stickin with mac. all my troubles are with Microsoft. fuckin explorer.
I WANT A DIVORCE!
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I said I was kidding!!
Seriously == very nice piece on their New York City gigs, with cool pix...
Nostra: how hard is that to do? I have an old tower that stopped working one day about 4 years ago; wonder if I can put new stuff in it for not a lot of skill or coin...
ProfWombat
PCs are pretty easy to build. Everything is pretty modular. No soldering. Do you remember Heathkit?
http://www.heathkit.ca/
This 20 year digital content creator appreciates Apple as the standard by which all industrial design should be measured.
I hear they are stil paying royalty fees to Fisher-Price and Crane.
Who watches commercials? You do, apparently. But don't shoot yourself in the foot: buy a Mac.
EkCenTrik--didn't you know? Smokers, including you and myself, are thought to be lower life forms. (/snark)
Now that they've got Intel Inside - and you can run both simultaneously, what's the dif?
"Not that it would do today's task's but today's OSes could use some of that design philosophy."
Who says? Have you looked at the stuff they port over to the Amiga still?
People used to build their own stereos, test equipment, Ham radios...
http://www.heathkit-museum.com/h...m/
hvmhifi.shtml
Nostra: I remember Heathkit very well; a high point of my career was pushing 20 watts or so of CW out of a 6dq6 tube in a pure homebrew novice rig...
First computer: TI-99/4A. First computer as a student: Wang 2200. First big computer: IBM System/370.
My current machine blows them all away. However, it's nothing special--technological advances have given us an embarassment of riches.
I have one of these.
My brother had the Atari 600 XL. It was the second computer he owned. His first was a Vic 20.
Here is the first computer I ever used on a regular basis:
http://www.bowkera.com/
north_sta...r_advantage.htm
I used to program with Turbo pascal on it.
Now that they've got Intel Inside - and you can run both simultaneously, what's the dif?
RepubAnon
Well, I generally don't use Intel, for starters...
Well we are seriously considering moving our email front end to Google. The advantages cost and labor wise are compelling. On the other hand, I am bit nervous over letting go of the function, at least initially.
EkCenTriK
I send all my email through gmail before it gets to exchange...it filters out 95+% of the junk/spam that way. And it's free...not that that's what you're probably talking about doing
"EkCenTrik--didn't you know? Smokers, including you and myself, are thought to be lower life forms"
Yeah, but you notice how upper life forms keep hanging out with us bad kids.
As everyone knows, we smoke cuz we are cooool.
EkCenTrik---and here I thought we smoked because we liked it...
an above average consumer and voter, i own an apple and i oppose obama. i imagine there are many low information voters and consumers who support obama and purchase any which computer made available to them at the local electronics warehouse. willing to take the easy route, as they refuse to be challenged, these low information voters and consumers have no respect for quality and actual use value. instead, they just want what is merely accessible. never burden these low information voters and consumers with actual substance; they just want image, and they want that image to be devoid of content. because i am an above average voter and consumer, i need the challenge of substance and content, which is why i own a mac and why i oppose obama.
i have a pc, i love my pc, i could never use a mac.
As you might have gathered, I'm not fond of the Apple aestetic. Now that is a matter of personal preference, but don't try to tell me it's the cat's ass.
'Cuz it's ugly.
KittyCunt, I am now gutting you.
Duncan, you identify with Hodgman because you are a Big Dork too.
"I send all my email through gmail before it gets to exchange...it filters out 95+% of the junk/spam that way."
Are you talking as an individual account or an entire email base?
I would be moving the entire user base over. I haven't decided on using it as a pass through that they can just happen can use on the road or making it the complete function and our in house server just soaks everything up for archive and recovery.
low information voters
Talking points, or just a limited vocabulary?
I hear that the Apple aesthetic is the cat's ass.
Live on David Letterman, here's the greatest Swedish export since Anita Ekberg
Soundtrack of Our Lives "Sister Surround"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-...h?v=-
LCI1lNQ_6U
Seriously -- this is what a rock band is supposed to sound like.
those lower information voters who support obama are OUT OF TOUCH.
LIV = OOT
low information voter or obama supporter = OUT OF TOUCH
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OBAMA SUPPORTERS, WHO ARE ALWAYS LOW INFORMATION VOTERS, ARE
OUT OF TOUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lance Mannion has the ultimate deconstruction of this ad, and he comes to the exact same conclusion:
http://lancemannion.typepad.com/
...hoodiewear.html
"EkCenTrik---and here I thought we smoked because we liked it..."
I wish.
Actually I wish I could go back to the day I started and walk in another direction.
Looks like fy's made a return.
I hear that low-information voters are the cat's ass.
The PC guy is on The Daily Show so that settles that.
"Looks like fy's made a return.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere"
Oh, he must of just got back from his deployment right? What a trooper.
I would be moving the entire user base over. I haven't decided on using it as a pass through that they can just happen can use on the road or making it the complete function and our in house server just soaks everything up for archive and recovery.
EkCenTriK
just a few users on my personal SBS with exchange and BES...although I don't see why it wouldn't work on a larger group...it would just be a PITA to set up a buch of gmail accounts.
Gotta hit the hay; thanks for being there, guys...
EkCenTrik--given a chance to redo that day, I think I'd do it differently as well.
an above average consumer and v--
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I want to mod one like this.
Dynamite.
It would go well with my 5150.
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Well, a juanty computer discussion brought me back (staying on topic because DNS taught us such a valuable lesson), but I truly must go.
By the way, I suppose I could've gone the "you young whippernappers" route and lied about my first machine being the Babbage difference engine, but that would've been puerile, eh DNS?
Y'all take care of your good selves, and be careful not to stray into the hot topic of Endianness--that way madness lies!
I want to mod one like this.
UNRE and I are both working on steampunk mods.
"just a few users on my personal SBS with exchange and BES...although I don't see why it wouldn't work on a larger group...it would just be a PITA to set up a buch of gmail accounts."
We are not massive, around 70 accounts give or take.
I guess I really should not be overly worried since we can just adjust the MX record if things are no going well.
Nostra: I remember Heathkit very well; a high point of my career was pushing 20 watts or so of CW out of a 6dq6 tube in a pure homebrew novice rig...
ProfWombat
In that case, I would turn that old tower into a project, a lab experiment. You can find all the info you need on the net and in some books. It's probably easier than an old Heathkit. No cold soldered connections!
Ooh! "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" on!
wow. this is quite rare. you're just completely wrong. if you were a PC owner, you'd have to be tone deaf, dumb and blind not to get the message in those commercials. every one is a subtle but easily understood strike against the flaws of PC design. Hodgman is playing the buffoon to the Mac guy, who comes across as friendly without being condescending -- as most Mac owners are.
"It would go well with my 5150."
The PC or the Terminal?
Fresh Intelligence quotes a reviewer for Slate who wondered if the smugness of Mac Guy was a case of Apple parodying its own image. I've often thought that a lot of ads these days actually seem to be insulting or at least making fun of the people the ads are supposedly aimed at. Beer commercials in which homely, overweight, leering morons chase after impossibly beautiful women being a prime example.
Everything is pretty modular. No soldering. Do you remember Heathkit?
http://www.heathkit.ca/
Nostradumbass | 03.01.07 - 12:42 am | #
Built a Heathkit shortwave radio back in the day (by which I mean, sometime after the ivention of the steam engine but before the release of the hit recording "I Want to Hold Your Hand.")
Never worked too well, alas...
I'm a full time Mac professional who makes my living fixing/administering/servicing them, and I don't think the ads a