I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
first!
sweet! first time i've ever been first!
out in frontish
bonjour, lots of snowing here
Plum, are you all better?
Good morning PlumP and BBAH
How are all you fine Atriots today?
I caused the sub-prime mortgage crisis! MuahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
POOP!
Better have a paper trail of this recommendation, Atrios, or some repub congressperson is going to play gotcha with you in the congressional hearings on how the GOP fucked up our economy. DEMOCRAT.
I caused the sub-prime mortgage crisis! MuahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
!!!!!!
I'm more annoyed by your plot to make Al Gore fat.
Snow! what fun...a rarity here in C. TX, and looking to become increasingly rare.
Plum, are you all better?
mimi
about what? I'm feeling a cold coming up but i'm okay
Sadly, it looks as if Atrios is right: a lot of people are going to lose their homes. And have their credit ruined. And lose whatever small savings they have. I sure am glad the Republican Congress made it almost impossible for anyone other than corporations to get a fresh start in this country. No, I'm not.
I couldn't believe some of the mortgage loans that were being made the last couple of years.
It was a legalized Ponzi scheme, pure and simple.
Molly was up early remembering last St. Paddy's.
Naturally we will solve this crisis by throwing home owners to the wolves and bailing out the subprime mortgage companys.
It is what Jesus would do.
Plantsman, thank you for that tiger cat pic. Adorable.
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there was a 3 pages spread this week in my local paper La Presse about the mortgage crisis in the US. It seems that canadian papers are more interested in this topic than american ones!
Three chlorine gas attacks in Iraq are reported to have killed eight people and left hundreds injured, including six US troops.
last time that bank money was used to create a real estate bubble was the S+L criss in the mid to late 80s. Guess who was in charge then? Republicans.
Enron and the California energy bamboozle: Republicans.
WorldCom/MCI: Republicans.
The currently bursting housing bubble and mortgage crisis: Republicans.
Hello, Americans, WAKE UP!
That's fourlegs' little Maddie.
I recently read about the 'NINJA' mortgages some lenders were making: No Income, No Job or Assets, and they STILL get a mortgage. Takes two to tango, and both sides are screwed in those deals. Rightfully so, if you ask me.
so the looming mortgage crisis is a crisis? Doncha think the folks who bought knew they were buying high? Is not this a personal responsibility and greed issue? Besides the banking greed and lack of responsibility of the lenderguys, what does one think about speculation?
Loss of homes due to greed... is it really bad?
No, but when millions are involved it makes things even more shaky than they were pre-1% money.
Shaky indeed
This ain't juat about a few millionpeople losing their homes. Our whole economy appears to be byuilt arround bulding, selling, buying and repairing homes. Millions of peoples livelyhoods are at risk because of this looming disaster.
Plum, weren't you sick this week?
Molly was up early remembering last St. Paddy's.
She was winding the kids up so we couldn't sleep. I hate her.
I couldn't believe some of the mortgage loans that were being made the last couple of years.
Many were just pure vig, i.e. perpetual debt from the getgo. The only upside to the borrower was the gamble that the value of the house would increase significantly and quickly . If that doesn't happen, you're screwed.
Will the "invisible hand of the marketplace" spank those corrupt lenders or will the government bail them out?
Doncha 'Mamber Shrub crowing about how home ownership was at an all-time high? Another Bush mirage.
It became very clear with Valerie Plame's testimony yesterday that Gwyneth Paltrow has wrapped up the part. Case closed.
Perhaps Leonardo di Caprio for Joseph Wilson. He didn't look like Howard Hughes either but he brings the ladies in.
Eddie Izzard for the transvestite in the back of the room.
Eddie Izzard for the transvestite in the back of the room.
dances with beagles
I disagree. Look closely at Toensing, Eddie Izzard is perfect to play her.
Eddie Izzard for the transvestite in the back of the room.
dances with beagles
I disagree. Look closely at Toensing, Eddie Izzard is perfect to play her.
Hot Damn! Troolapalooza!1111!@!!
We took out a mortgage on our place in DE. Six months interest only. They did not do a credit check cause our credit index or whatever was so high. I thought that was pretty stupid on their part.
Chimpy: "It's so American. A man and his wife can each work three jobs and still can't pay their mortgage."
I disagree. Look closely at Toensing, Eddie Izzard is perfect to play her.
Concur. I think Anna Nicole Smith's stylist would be a better choice for Midge.
good point smalfish
booms go bust and everyone hurts. Like Iraquis
Irony is dead. John Ashcroft edition
Loss of homes due to greed... is it really bad?
With foreclosures come reduced homeownership. With reduced homeownership comes falling home values. Falling home values is destructive of equity, meaning less of that equity driven consumership that has been keeping our economy moving the last 6 years.
i'm slightly conflicted on this one. I do think that predatory lending is awful, but on the other hand no one was putting a gun to people's heads and saying you MUST move a million miles out into the suburbs to buy a house you can't really afford.
I don't know, how could you not see that introductory low mortgage rates weren't a scam? It's just like those introductory low APR's on credit cards. It seems to me that buying a house is one of the most important financial decisions someone can make. In this case it seems it falls on the individual to read the fine print and not get themselves screwed.
I finally watched the Riches last night. I think it has potential. I like that girl who plays the teen daughter. She could end up being a decent actress. Izzard was funny I thought.
It is beginning to feel like the 80s again. My neighborhood went to crap when people began walking away from their homes. We had quite a few like that around the city. In this case, people bought at extended prices completely expecting the value to rise even more. The bottom fell out and they were stuck on their mortgages with no chance of getting out at even break even.
It appears that two of the fired USA's were working together on a corruption case.
http://misterapologist.blogspot....ve- corallo.html
I'm personally going to enjoy taking advantage of the lower home prices in 15 months... As long as I can find a job in the recession.
Howard Hughes wasn't always an elderly insane shut in.
Just sayin'
There's a bunch of new signs around our neighborhood that offers to sell brand new homes for three hundred dollars down.
Three hundred dollars! To buy a NEW home!
Plum, weren't you sick this week?
mimi
yes! intestinal problem tuesday, you're so nice to keep up with me! Merci. That's gone but a cold is brewing up with this snow storm we have outside. Dammit. I'm staying in all day.
They did not do a credit check cause our credit index or whatever was so high. I thought that was pretty stupid on their part.
ql in ny
When we did our last refi, I was shocked to find out that you can get a mortgage loan nowadays and choose not to document your income, just state it on the application. The rate is higher, but you can get the loan.
damn, no belushi on the irish on youtube. I thought they had everything there.
They did not do a credit check cause our credit index or whatever was so high. I thought that was pretty stupid on their part.
ql in ny
Honey, that's how they knew what your FICO score was - by doing a credit check.
Howard Hughes ended up with a cadre of Mormon
minders at the end, who kept him wired and nutty.
I don't know, how could you not see that introductory low mortgage rates weren't a scam?
Because our education system doesn't teach people economic literacy any more.
yes! intestinal problem tuesday, you're so nice to keep up with me! Merci. That's gone but a cold is brewing up with this snow storm we have outside. Dammit. I'm staying in all day.
Plum P
Much as I like winter, I have to gloat a little because it's just beautiful here. By the middle of May, I'll be bitching, but right now it's perfect. It's going to be about 74 today.
Glad you're feeling better, Plum P - and good morning, Batties.
Loss of homes due to greed... is it really bad?
With foreclosures come reduced homeownership. With reduced homeownership comes falling home values. Falling home values is destructive of equity, meaning less of that equity driven consumership that has been keeping our economy moving the last 6 years.
underwhelm | 03.17.07 - 9:46 am | #
But doesn't that show that our economy has been built on a house of cards for the last six years? Why should we work to maintain that? The longer the fantasy is perpetuated, the harder the crash will be in the end, IMO.
Plum P., I read a late night thread the other day and saw many people complimenting your radio program and sexy voice. 
Good morning Tena
Because our education system doesn't teach people economic literacy any more.
NTodd, Balding
Did it ever? I never was taught compound interest.
An odd story with pictures of one of the hotties involved.
"Supermodels for Oaxaca (APMO) to Oppose the Miss Universe Pageant at the Monte Albán Ruins in May 2007
Auditions to be Held April 18 in New York City Toward a Protest with Poise Aimed at Donald Trump and NBC
By Cha-Cha Connor
Spokesmodel, Popular Assembly of Models for Oaxaca March 8, 2007
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Ulises Ruiz, dictator of the Mexican state of Oaxaca, wants to use the beautiful and talented supermodels of the Miss Universe pageant to justify brutal repression against local social movements. But we supermodels won’t let it happen. Join us in New York City on April 18th to audition for the most stylish, the most poised, and the most elegant picket line that Donald Trump and NBC have ever seen."
http://www.narconews.com/
Issue45...rticle2575.html
Because our education system doesn't teach people economic literacy any more.
I think this is frighteningly true. Consequently, most folks approach things like credit cards, car purchases, home loans, etc. with a lot of fear, fatalism, and wishful thinking. Of course, some people wouldn't make as much money if our schools taught economic literacy.
thanks Tena, a québécois kitten for you
http://www.dailykitten.com/archi.../887-
sethi.html
fix link
http://misterapologist.blogspot....ve-
corallo.html
A "Dark Dancer" 4-leaf clover for St. Paddy's:
http://thumbsnap.com/v/R6bWgKGs.jpg
Good morning, trifecta- how are you and Mrs. trifecta this morning?
Well, when you have subprime pre-paid crony blackbox election deals, and subprime wage, benefit, and medical care deals to eliminate actually providing any, subprime government accountability to wage subprime oil wars, and a subprime crony phony legal system, and subprime education, and less than subprime fairness doctrine, equal time, and truth in media, and roll back environmental standards to below subprime, it all kind of makes sense.
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It's not only new home buyers that are losing their homes, people. No job? Can't pay the mortgage?
Bam!
I was shocked to find out that you can get a mortgage loan nowadays and choose not to document your income, just state it on the application.
See, I always thought that was an option, though. My dad was self-employed, and I though that was the only way he could get a mortgage with his income situation: to pay more in interest in exchange for not documenting his income. Maybe they're just doing it for more people now.
Honey, that's how they knew what your FICO score was - by doing a credit check.
GWPDA
yeah, but they didn't check on our current employment or lack thereof. Based solely on my income, we probably would not have qualified.
I was smart enough to have the interest rate locked in so even though it looks like we won't sell this place within the allotted six months, we won't get hit too hard.
there was a 3 pages spread this week in my local paper La Presse about the mortgage crisis in the US. It seems that canadian papers are more interested in this topic than american ones!
Plum P
That's because the story doesn't involve large breasts and bald heads.
Plum P., I read a late night thread the other day and saw many people complimenting your radio program and sexy voice.
pie
oh my! (blushing)
Did it ever? I never was taught compound interest.
Well, I had home ec (required) in 8th grade, and family life (elective) in 10th grade. Learned all sorts of useful shit.
I keep wondering what Sethi was looking at.
Thank god I'm not blogwhoring...
http://powerpop.blogspot.com/200...-
wimpitude.html
thanks Tena, a québécois kitten for you
http://www.dailykitten.com/archi.../887- sethi.html
Plum P
Thank you!
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haloscan is insane.
"Because our education system doesn't teach people economic literacy any more.
NTodd, Balding "
True, just look at how pick ups are sold and at the price they command. People are willing to take on a 600 buck a month car load for a pick up with a bit of glitz. So why should they have any commonsense on mortgages.
I'll be glad when the price of a sheet of plywood drops below $35.00.
IRELAND
Did it ever? I never was taught compound interest.
Tena | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 9:51 am | #
that's because we all need to learn the oh-so-useful skills of algebra, trig, calculus and geometry. EVERYONE needs to be able to do that kind of math...but don't teach kids how to figure out the kind of math that tells them they will bet fucked on interest rates. The big bankers wouldn't like that one bit.
No bailout.
.
It is beginning to feel like the 80s again.
It's much worse if the housing crash happens. You used to be able to get some relief from your debt, with bankruptcy, but things have changed. Walking away from a home you no longer can afford will still leave you with the debt owed.
Mrs. Trifecta and I are doing good. Tired though. She has lounge priviliges now. So we spent some time on a sofa watching tv up on her ward this morning.
I am making the corned beef and cabbage right now and bringing it over for lunch in a few hours.
Mrs. Trifecta and I are doing good. Tired though. She has lounge priviliges now. So we spent some time on a sofa watching tv up on her ward this morning.
I am making the corned beef and cabbage right now and bringing it over for lunch in a few hours.
Loss of homes due to greed... is it really bad?
With foreclosures come reduced homeownership. With reduced homeownership comes falling home values. Falling home values is destructive of equity, meaning less of that equity driven consumership that has been keeping our economy moving the last 6 years.
Hey! This also is not ALL about people buying new homes. I cannot believe all the rebuilding going on around Dallas. I have never seen so many homes being torn down to build new mcmansions in place of 50 year old homes. It's really an epidemic. All because of thise "predatory lending practices". Let's also not forget all the remodeling going on around here. If it were'nt for the easy borrowing, we would not be seeing so much building going on. We would also see fewer jobs, and lower prices to buy stuff.
My dad was self-employed, and I though that was the only way he could get a mortgage with his income situation: to pay more in interest in exchange for not documenting his income. Maybe they're just doing it for more people now.
underwhelm
I'm self-employed and I always document my income. It's just a matter of faxing your tax returns in exchange for a significantly lower rate. Why wouldn't anybody with actual SE income do this?
Oh, yeah, check out my website for the latest post on the CIA, written yesterday, significantly edited today.
Saw Sandra Bullock in "Premonition" yesterday.
Oddly, while watching it, I suddenly had a deja vu that I was watching a crappy movie.
HaloScan asked me to wait -2 seconds the other day. Made my haid hurt!
I live in a neighborhood that was built for returning vets in the late 40s/early 50s. Small bungalows. I'm quickly becoming one of the few bungalows left. All around me, the bungalows are being bought, torn down, and people are building the hugest, ugliest McMansions. I just don't get it.
. It seems that canadian papers are more interested in this topic than american ones!
Plum P
'cause you guys sell us our building sticks.
I'll be glad when the price of a sheet of plywood drops below $35.00.
1Watt Hermit
Now that is truly stunning. I wish my dad was alive - that was his market. He ran a building supply company and it's like being a commodities broker, buying and selling plywood and lumber.
Ten years ago i was writing about ethical math...
you could look it up
.
Well, I had home ec (required) in 8th grade, and family life (elective) in 10th grade. Learned all sorts of useful shit.
Too bad you didn't learn how to get a blog.
I live in a neighborhood that was built for returning vets in the late 40s/early 50s. Small bungalows. I'm quickly becoming one of the few bungalows left. All around me, the bungalows are being bought, torn down, and people are building the hugest, ugliest McMansions. I just don't get it.
Hecate,
We're just helpless in my neighborhood, watching them do that. The association talks about it - but no one can do anything about it. Too late to try to reshape the zoning laws.
that's because we all need to learn the oh-so-useful skills of algebra, trig, calculus and geometry. EVERYONE needs to be able to do that
They don't teach that either. If they did, compound interest could be shown in one of the classes to be a type of exponent math. It would not take that long to explain this if the math basic had been taught.
My bil is a lumber broker and does very well. They just bought a second home in Savannah and plan on retiring there next year.
The Pogues and Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale of New York
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N...h?
v=NrAwK9juhhY
Saw Sandra Bullock in "Premonition" yesterday.
Noticed Sandra on a number of magazine covers in the check-out line yesterday; figured something was in the pipeline.
Saw Sandra Bullock in "Premonition" yesterday.
Oddly, while watching it, I suddenly had a deja vu that I was watching a crappy movie.
steve simels
I saw the previews the other day when I went to see Breach. Good one to miss.
Last night I watched The Lion in Winter. Again.
Sigh.
So fookin' good!
It really comes down to math illiteracy. I had go graphically explain to my secretary why it was cheaper to buy a monthly ticket than four weeklies.
1 week is $20 x 4 = $80.00
monthly ticket is $72.00
See, you save $8.00, plus you can use it all you want. Not just to come to work and go home.
"I never knew that!"
She's 45 y.o.
Our company decided not to build the houses we had planned on starting this spring. I had been cautioning my boss about it for the past two months; we would have been lucky to make 10% (our regular profit on jobs is around 25% - 30%). I kept telling him that with the market going soft, there isn't enough potential payoff to justify the risk. He and the other partners met this last week and agreed with that assessment.
My bil is a lumber broker and does very well. They just bought a second home in Savannah and plan on retiring there next year.
pie
My dad was really good at it. If he had gotten an education, no telling what he could have done - he was really smart. But he hated his father and left home at age 12.
One of his brothers became a molecular biologist - some science and math genes run in that side of the family and I got exactly none of them.
Why wouldn't anybody with actual SE income do this?
I think it had something to do with avoiding paying child support: "what income?" But that's neither here nor there. They've been offering mortgages like that for a while. Maybe they just haven't been charging a high enough interest rate on them to protect against the inevitable foreclosures when the economy hits a snag.
Oddly, while watching it, I suddenly had a deja vu that I was watching a crappy movie.
steve simels
Saw Sandra Bullock in "Premonition" yesterday.
Oddly, while watching it, I suddenly had a deja vu that I was watching a crappy movie.
steve simels
That's funny. It only took the words "Sandra Bullock" for me to preminisce that it would be a crappy movie.
I must be friggin' psychic or somethin'.
In my old neighborhood they had zoning laws that prohibited anything bigger than a 2 family house.
But all they needed was to grease some local official and presto! exemption.
I'll be glad when the price of a sheet of plywood drops below $35.00.
It was'nt that long ago (six years, maybe) that a sheet of plywood was around ten dollars.
I just don't get it.
Hecate,
I wonder if part of it is that people are working so damned hard they begin to get a feeling of entitlement. the fancy car and bigger house gives them a feeling that they are actually achieving something.
Merci that my dad Clermont. He passed away last year, I got enough money to pay the house in full. That's the best gift anyone can receive.
One of his brothers became a molecular biologist - some science and math genes run in that side of the family and I got exactly none of them.
That's okay. You got other smart ones.
Kuttner making a heap of sense, as usual:
But before the mid-1970s, this kind of meltdown didn't happen, because there were regulations and prudent credit standards; low-income people got government help rather than private-market scams -- and there were hardly any defaults. How many more financial scandals will it take before we get back to that model?
http://www.boston.com/news/globe...f_deregulation/
This "economic literacy" you speak of is based on math.
And math is hard.
Shit, I never took any "economics" classes and I could figure out compound interest on my SR-30.
The Pogues and Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale of New York
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N...h? v=NrAwK9juhhY
Plum P | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 9:58 am | #
Oh god, I love that woman.
So fucking tragic what happened to her.
Tena, you got mad taste genes, be glad of it!
I love that song and that Pogues album.
simels - what happened to her?
So fucking tragic what happened to her.
steve simels
yes, i still have the blues because of it
I live in a neighborhood that was built for returning vets in the late 40s/early 50s. Small bungalows. I'm quickly becoming one of the few bungalows left. All around me, the bungalows are being bought, torn down, and people are building the hugest, ugliest McMansions. I just don't get it.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 9:55 am | #
This is part of the reason why I'm so conflicted on this issue. If someone buys a house that they can probably afford, then tears it down to build a McMansion that they inevitably CAN't afford, why should I feel bad about that?
Similarly, people who buy houses solely for the purpose of "flipping" them. If they're suddenly stuck with a house they can't afford and can't sell, why should I feel bad?
I DO feel about about someone who buys a house he can afford and then loses his job when it's outsourced to India or whatever. This is why the bankruptcy bill is a disgusting law. I just don't think the rest of us should have to bail out people who've made bad investments on properties that are not their primary residences.
It was'nt that long ago (six years, maybe) that a sheet of plywood was around ten dollars.
smalfish
AHH, BushCo tariffs on Canadian Lumber.
On December 18, 2000, MacColl was killed by a speedboat while swimming off of the coast of Mexico. Less than six months later, her final album, Tropical Brainstorm, was released on Instinct.
First the real estate/mortgage industry, through blockbusting, redlining and restrictive covenants, preyed on white fears and prejudices to destroy the tax base of almost every major city in the country. Then they threw up funguslike suburbs with no consideration of the consequences and steamrolled anyone who tried to do so. Now they've gotten a new crop of suckers to put up oversized overvalued faux-mansions using time-bomb mortgages. I don't know what to do, maybe a veteran's preference on foreclosure sales tied to affordable mortgages might be a good political move for the Dems, but the bloated carcass of the real estates/mortgage industry should be left to rot -- no help for them.
Legal folk: On what grounds can the judge in the DC Madam case forbid her to sell her own property, her records?
When folks can't afford to heat and cool their McMansions, there will be trouble.
Norah O'Donnell is in my city and I think she stole me lucky charms.
Plum-does your station post a play list for our show? Does it have archives for post-broadcast listening?
Allowing companies to profit by destroying people's lives is just reprehensible.
When are we going to start holding these financial institutions accountable for predatory lending practices?
Noron O'Donnell, She's tragically ficticious!
And how does anyone "get out in front" without rewarding the SPECULATORS and CROOKED MORTGAGE LENDERS who helped create this mess???
LThat's okay. You got other smart ones.
pie
O you're sweet. I don't mind having gotten the word genes from my mom's side of the family, but I wish I wasn't quite so developmentally disabled when it comes to numbers.
Then they threw up funguslike suburbs with no consideration of the consequences and steamrolled anyone who tried to do so.
With absolutely no consideration of how all the 'burb-folk were supposed to get to and from work in the city. The original setbacks were cut to the quick, and now they are having to bring the streets right up to the front doors of places to accommodate all the traffic. It's pathetic.
Saw Sandra Bullock in "Premonition" yesterday.
Oddly, while watching it, I suddenly had a deja vu that I was watching a crappy movie.
Soup had a funny take on it last night.
that's because we all need to learn the oh-so-useful skills of algebra, trig, calculus and geometry. EVERYONE needs to be able to do that
Reality check. Trig is *not* an essential math skill. Neither is calculus for most people.
Most personal finances are plain old arithmetic. Basic geometry and algebra, and, one you left out, stats, are all most people actually use.
Allowing companies to profit by destroying people's lives is just reprehensible.
Shit, we allow companies to profit by destroying whole countries! What's a few people's lives next to that?
ow-income people got government help rather than private-market scams -
Not as broadly true as it shold have been, but it does describe part of the answer. People need decent places to live and they need to live reasonably close to where they work. The government needs to help make that happen.
There were some dumb rules in the old days. As a single woman for example, even with my work history, good income, and grown child (aka, I'm not going to quit work to have children), I'd have had a difficult time getting a mortgage. But getting rid of the dumb rules was one thing, allowing loan sharks to prey on people's ignorance and greed was another.
Zoning laws could be, but haven't been, a huge part of the solution. School teachers and policemen and sanitation workers should, from an energy independence point of view, not to mention simply decency, be able to live in the communities where they work.
"Celtic Woman" on NBC singing "Beyond the Sea"
I saw an article...somewhere, can't recall at all...which said many of these McMansions were shoddily constructed to make all that "space" and "appearance" affordable (even at the high prices for those monstrosities) and that buyers are having many, many upkeep problems.
Reality check. Trig is *not* an essential math skill. Neither is calculus for most people.
Most personal finances are plain old arithmetic. Basic geometry and algebra, and, one you left out, stats, are all most people actually use.
JR, kerosene and a match. | 03.17.07 - 10:09 am | #
JR, I was being sarcastic.
simels - what happened to her?
Tena | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 10:04 am | #
She was vacationing with her husband and kids somewhere in the tropics, and while she was swimming some drunken asshole ran her over with a speedboat.
The kids and hubby actually witnessed it.
Sounds like she can still sell access to the records...
Chris Hedges on C Span 2 discussing American Fascists.
I wish I wasn't quite so developmentally disabled when it comes to numbers.
Tena
You aren't developmentally disabled with numbers (outside of the rare "number dyslexic"), you just weren't taught them in a way that allowed you to understand them.
Why is it that there is always a huge real-estate crisis when the Republicans get in charge?
Celtic Women are just tooooooo New Agey for me to listen to for long. But great marketing.
innumeracy is another term coined for math illiteracy.
Bring rationality back to material desires.
Re-invigorate the notion of the Commonweal.
"the fancy car and bigger house gives them a feeling that they are actually achieving something."
Look at the marketing now. There is no such thing as a modest purchase. If it is cheap, small, modest, practical or conservative it is framed as almost a negative. Hell, I don't even see things sold as a starter home now. In this market (Local to me), a two bed room home is considered a detriment.
AHH, BushCo tariffs on Canadian Lumber.
1Watt Hermit
tell me about it. Our family owns a lumber mill, which i now co-own with my 6 brothers ans sisters since my father passed.The market has simply died since Bush is in power. The lumber price is too low and the american dollar too.
The only regular clients we have these days are the amish from Pennsylvania. They don't care much about the price of lumber. What they care about is the quality of the lumber and ours is their favorite. They even invited us to visit them there. Last year, when that bastard went and killed the kids in an amish school house, they rebuilt a new building with our wood. I cried when i learned that.
Buy a McMansion! No payment down!
Oh god, I love that woman.
I wish I could track down an MP3 of "In These Shoes?"
XM played it recently and I loved it.
Allowing companies to profit by destroying people's lives is just reprehensible.
Anybody who thinks our current system isn't the greatest liberal invention ever is an extremist Hitler lover.
and "appearance" affordable (even at the high prices for those monstrosities) and that buyers are having many, many upkeep problems.
jawbone
My parents sent me an article detailing a McMansion neighborhood in their area dealing with the fact that out of greed, they were all allowed to be built on land that didn't perk properly. Now all their backyards are overflowing with nouveau-riche poopy water.
tell me about it. Our family owns a lumber mill, which i now co-own with my 6 brothers ans sisters since my father passed.The market has simply died since Bush is in power. The lumber price is too low and the american dollar too.
I'll be goddamned - we have more in common than I knew.
[smile]
Celtic Woman are too "Crystal Light" for my tastes.
that's because we all need to learn the oh-so-useful skills of algebra, trig, calculus and geometry. EVERYONE needs to be able to do that
Reality check. Trig is *not* an essential math skill. Neither is calculus for most people.
I believe that was the point.
Why is it that there is always a huge real-estate crisis when the Republicans get in charge?
jri
Rhymes with "creed" ?
I wish I wasn't quite so developmentally disabled when it comes to numbers.
Tena
i'm the same way. it's like witchcraft to me or supernatural powers when i see people fly through formulas or calculations.
Plum-does your station post a play list for our show? Does it have archives for post-broadcast listening?
jawbone
no, and no. We might eventually have podcasts form prevous weeks. As for tracklisting...i'm too lazy! i guess i should post them every week on the station website (if i knew how to post them!). I'll work on it, promise!
All around me, the bungalows are being bought, torn down, and people are building the hugest, ugliest McMansions. I just don't get it.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 9:55 am | #
There were five people in my family back in the early '70s. We were solidly middle class, with a simple post-war one story house with an unfinished basement - three bedrooms, one bath, I shared a room with a sibling. I'd guess the house was probably about 1500 sq. ft.
That sort of home would be unacceptable to today's solid middle class types.
You aren't developmentally disabled with numbers (outside of the rare "number dyslexic"), you just weren't taught them in a way that allowed you to understand them.
JR
You're right. I took a stupid math course to fulfill my undergrad requirement and it turned out to be the kind of thing I should have had long long ago. It was math for elementary ed majors and they taught from the very basics - sets - through simple algebra and I understood it for the first time ever.
You aren't developmentally disabled with numbers (outside of the rare "number dyslexic"), you just weren't taught them in a way that allowed you to understand them.
JR, kerosene and a match. | 03.17.07 - 10:11 am | #
I am one of those rare "number dyslexics" it is a real pain in the ass.
I had a hell of a time learning math. When I was a kid I could never understand that the multiplication tables were a constant...because for me, they were always changing and I didn't know why. The inability to learn math can ruin a person's self confidence in a big way.
many of these McMansions were shoddily constructed
Yes and they're just plain ugly. Weird Frankenstein concoctions with a bit of French provincial, some Italianette iron work, lots of faux Tudor elements, and then some very think stonework applied to the bottom third. All on the same house. There is one up the street from me with literally NO yard left, but with, for real, a turret. Ugly piece of shit. And they light it up at night.
There is no such thing as a modest purchase. If it is cheap, small, modest, practical or conservative it is framed as almost a negative.
Curiously, the same goes for fast food.
Reality check. Trig is *not* an essential math skill. Neither is calculus for most people.
If you have five apples, and a Rethug takes all five and then says you owe him three more, how many apples do you have left?
If you replies, I missed it, so am asking again.
Plum-does your station post a play list for your show? Does it have archives for post-broadcast listening?
Being "good with math" is really about nothing more than developing "number sense" from the very beginning. I can't really define it other than to say that "number sense" is more or less a map or your brain's unique set of instructions about how to visualize and mentally manipulate numbers. For some people, it seems to get translated into a linguistic script, for others, a visual or auditory or some other script. As to how to teach it...repitition in manipulating numbers, in all of the different modes or scripts corresponding to the different senses.
Hell, I don't even see things sold as a starter home now. In this market (Local to me), a two bed room home is considered a detriment.
EkCenTriK
After my father died my mother went looking to "downsize" to a one bedroom detached. Amazingly few decent ones available, and they are all older houses.
"they rebuilt a new building with our wood. I cried when i learned that."
That is some sort of connectivity. Jeez.
My typos are not of my making....
Yes and they're just plain ugly.
They are building these stone/brick mixes here that do not work, for the most part. They are especially ugly when they use dark red brick with stone.
Oy. And they run lot line to lot line, too, which is disgusting. They all look like they are too big for the lots, and they are.
I'll be goddamned - we have more in common than I knew.
[smile]
Tena
your family is in that business too?
Howard safe after plane makes emergency landing during secret Iraq trip
:::A plane carrying the Australian Prime Minister John Howard has been forced to land during a secret trip to Iraq. Mr Howard was flying to Baghdad after visiting Australian troops serving in southern Iraq. He was on board an Australian Hercules transport plane when the loading bay began to fill with smoke. A burning smell seeped into the cockpit and Mr Howard had to put on an emergency gas mask.:::
JAWBONE: no, and no. We might eventually have podcasts form prevous weeks. As for tracklisting...i'm too lazy! i guess i should post them every week on the station website (if i knew how to post them!). I'll work on it, promise!
If you have five apples, and a Rethug takes all five and then says you owe him three more, how many apples do you have left?
Max Planck
Five.
Because I'll take them back after I beat the fucker to death with an axe handle.
A burning smell seeped into the cockpit and Mr Howard had to put on an emergency gas mask.:::
Tom
dammit! if only...
One, among many, reasons I took this crappy job at the Borg was so that I could -easily- re-finance the house downwards. Having employment proof of income in the same industry you've been in for a good length of time was worth it - even so, the little baby bankers kept bugging me to 'document' my various savings and investments. There was something they couldn't get their minds around there - the idea that somebody with that much actual money was employed? Wanted a mortgage? It was very odd - and this from a real bank, not a 'mortgage broker'.
Reply received, Plum! Thanks.
?Being "good with math" is really about nothing more than developing "number sense" from the very beginning.
I see math as a particular language that is used to describe and understand the natural world and I think if it had been taught to me that way, I wouldn't have had so much trouble. But they taught math to my age group as: "it works because I say so." Not good enough for me.
Buy a McMansion! No payment down!
watertiger | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 10:13 am | #
I'm guessing You guys are all sitting around with your computers and glasses of Jameson...
Lucky bastards...
Yes and they're just plain ugly.
And palladian windows. Those things must be required. I hate them.
Yes and they're just plain ugly. Weird Frankenstein concoctions with a bit of French provincial, some Italianette iron work, lots of faux Tudor elements, and then some very think stonework applied to the bottom third. All on the same house. There is one up the street from me with literally NO yard left, but with, for real, a turret. Ugly piece of shit. And they light it up at night.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
It just goes to show, money can't buy class. Or good taste.
your family is in that business too?
Plum P
If you scroll up you might see my comment about it. My dad ran a plywood and lumber company - building supplies, basically, to builders. His job was mainly the buying and selling of wood, as if he was a commodities broker. He was very good at it.
If you have five apples, and a Rethug takes all five and then says you owe him three more, how many apples do you have left?
Max Planck
I think the Republican would promise I'd end up having eleventy-two due to Supply Side Economics...
after all Bush promised his tax cuts would only balance the Clinton surplus and never lead to a deficit. 
It just goes to show, money can't buy class. Or good taste.
Stinky
well said
But they taught math to my age group as: "it works because I say so." Not good enough for me.
Tena | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 10:20 am | #
you remember "New Math"? it was really an awful experience.
His job was mainly the buying and selling of wood, as if he was a commodities broker. He was very good at it.
Tena
we could be sisters
Norah O'Donnell is in my city and I think she stole me lucky charms.
Culture of Truth | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 10:08 am | #
Hackensack NJ?
you remember "New Math"? it was really an awful experience.
Hellkitty
8th grade. I was scarred for life.
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[smile]
Oy. And they run lot line to lot line, too, which is disgusting. They all look like they are too big for the lots, and they are.
Tena
Often, the neighborhoods look like they were built in open fields, or that all the flora was taken down to grade before construction. In our neighborhood, the original buyers chose which trees they wanted remaining on their property, and it's really nice with all the old-growth hardwoods.
but with, for real, a turret.
Um - have you checked it for gun ports?
I see math as a particular language that is used to describe and understand the natural world
Well, it isn't really that well connected to the "natural world". Math more abstract and axiomatic than spoken language. IMO, regarding math as a language is problematic when you ae learning it, because then you try to "outhink" the numbers.
we could be sisters
Plum P
I guess that means we can't get married, after all.
No glass of whiskey, Just a glass of OJ to go with a roast beef, lettuce, and tomato sandwich topped with brown mustard and vietnamese chili sauce.
I saw an article...somewhere, can't recall at all...which said many of these McMansions were shoddily constructed to make all that "space" and "appearance" affordable (even at the high prices for those monstrosities) and that buyers are having many, many upkeep problems.
jawbone
there is a texas developer (bush poineer) whose mcmansions he built developed problems with molds. he was able to protect himself from lawsuits, iirc.
8th grade. I was scarred for life.
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[smile]
Tena | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 10:23 am | #
4th for me. I'm still dealing with the trauma. ;}~
It just goes to show, money can't buy class. Or good taste.
Stinky
J K Galbraith, The Age of Uncertainty, page 147.
Howard Hughes wasn't always an elderly insane shut in.
Someday people will say that about me.
Well, I'm going go to put me and my travel-connection-anxiety and my unconvincingly devil-may-care attitude on the metro and head over to BWI to see what surprises the airline gods have in store for me.
Don't hesitate to burn offerings on my behalf.
Next comment, hopefully, from some seedy internet café in sunny Mendoza.
Never thought I'd say it, but "Hang in there, George!"
Don't let those wussies in the GOP talk you into firing Abu G!
Sure, they're afraid he'll be an anchor necktie that will sink them all in '08, but, hey! What's that to you? YOU'RE not running again, and history will probably treat you as another Lincon. Or at least a Truman. Besides, you're the decider!
Sweet Jesus, tell W. to keep Abu G in office at least long enough to put a sense of urgency in all those congressional hearings over voter suppression, wiretapping, torture, USAttys, you know, the whole Abuse of Power Diet that won Nixon such rave reviews.
OK, I made the page number up. It's in the middle of the book, under a picture of some robber baron's house.
I guess that means we can't get married, after all.
Tena
gay mormon church don't exist?
I saw an article...somewhere, can't recall at all...which said many of these McMansions were shoddily constructed to make all that "space" and "appearance" affordable
I know two different people who had to "move out" of their Great Falls, VA McMansions so the floors could be ripped out and re-installed.
Ack!
...now I'm really going. Almost.
Next comment, hopefully, from some seedy internet café in sunny Mendoza.
SteveLG | 03.17.07 - 10:25 am | #
Godspeed and good luck.
there was a 3 pages spread this week in my local paper La Presse about the mortgage crisis in the US. It seems that canadian papers are more interested in this topic than american ones!
Plum P | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 9:41 am
The MCM is not permitted to print in any easily understandable or recognizable manner negative information about the US economy. It does not enhance their corporate owners' interests. As a result, many Americans are blindsided by bad economic shit ("We never saw it coming!") or are called "shrill" or "negative" if they persist in questioning what's going on.
Bad info is not good for Wall Street--unless it's insider info which prepares the big boys for any downward trends.
Feh.
If you have five apples, and a Rethug takes all five and then says you owe him three more, how many apples do you have left?
Max Planck
They don't necessarily confiscate the apples. But the apples are toxic to begin with, and then you lose your job and aren't able to buy more.
Similarly, the MCMers are permitted to write clearly about bad things the maladministration does. Not prudent.
gay mormon church don't exist?
Plum P
Maybe in Canada. But it doesn't help much - neither one of us is Mormon.
I think a lot of teachers don't understand underlying brain dynamics well enough to teach math is a big part of the problem. I subbed as a Jr. High math teacher (very briefly) just after college, and the kids were working with fractions and decimals and having a lot of trouble...I just walked them through the .1 = 1/10 = 10/100 and so on, told them that it was just like how the word "hello" is different in different languages because it still means the same thing, that if it was easier to work through the problem by thinking of it as a fraction rather than decimal problem or vice versa to go ahead and do it that way. It was amazing how much this couple of minutes of talking about how we think about numbers helped. Something like 20% of the kids were able to do the problems more easily.
The Conservapedia contemplates the Scopes Trial.
The Conservapedia contemplates the Scopes Trial.
i'm dying for a smoked meat and some bagels on this St-Pat's day!?!
the snow machine just passed in front of my house, so i can get the car out of the driveway. Time to go before i get snowed in again!
later 'bats
i'm dying for a smoked meat and some bagels on this St-Pat's day!?!
the snow machine just passed in front of my house, so i can get the car out of the driveway. Time to go before i get snowed in again!
later 'bats
If you have five apples, and a Rethug takes all five and then says you owe him three more, how many apples do you have left?
Max Planck
And even though you live in upstate NY surrounded by apple orchards the apples were grown in China.
Little Sociopath(TM) Watch, Day 21:
Still nothing new over at his piece of shit blog. Apparently, not even the drunken rants he posted here last night can dispel the stygian despair he still feels over the death of a woman who once said to him "I'll have fries and a coke with that."
I do hope Democrats show the foresight to get out in front of the looming mortgage crisis.
I just hope they have the sense not to try to go all Weimar on our ass...
One of the cleverest tricks the Republicans ever pulled off, was convincing its constituents that they too, would be allowed into the club just by trusting them with power.
Still nothing new over at his piece of shit blog. Apparently, not even the drunken rants he posted here last night can dispel the stygian despair he still feels over the death of a woman who once said to him "I'll have fries and a coke with that."
Damn, I just spent my last ounce of empathy on some dead skin that sloughed off my ass.
His job was mainly the buying and selling of wood, as if he was a commodities broker. He was very good at it.
Tena
He was a wooder, he bought and sold wood. /I am Roger the Shrubber/
I just hope they have the sense not to try to go all Weimar on our ass..
That Big Mac meal will come to $125,000.00. You can supersize it for another $30,000.00.
cue the Talking Heads Nothing but Flowers
I saw an article...somewhere, can't recall at all...which said many of these McMansions were shoddily constructed to make all that "space" and "appearance" affordable (even at the high prices for those monstrosities) and that buyers are having many, many upkeep problems.
You have no fucking idea. Try going out and explaing to people how many thousands it's going to cost them to fix their ten year old home.
"Oy. And they run lot line to lot line, too, which is disgusting. They all look like they are too big for the lots, and they are."
We have one new location here that creeps me out. Folks in the area are equally not happy with it. Cheap, but large two story, barely a walk way between the units. Short two car drive ways, plain, very very plain boxes. The streets are narrow and complex (yep KB).Wife and I drove through while they were being built and I could find faults in the framing while simply sitting on the street and gazing around. Within a few short months, they were sold out. Large families, low income and many cars. The houses now a couple years later look a decade old or more, facia and siding is falling apart or buckling and the area has a reputation for trouble. Not to mention there was never a concern put to traffic flow in the area as well.
If you have five apples, and a Rethug takes all five and then says you owe him three more, how many apples do you have left?
Max Planck
That's called an "apple deficit", which is a great thing. It means that pretty soon, the government won't have enough apples to function, making it easy to drown in a bathtub, which will pave the way to everyone getting tons of apples.
Think of it as an "economic Rapture", with apples instead of Jesus.
, told them that it was just like how the word "hello" is different in different languages because it still means the same thing, that if it was easier to work through the problem by thinking of it as a fraction rather than decimal problem or vice versa to go ahead and do it that way. It was amazing how much this couple of minutes of talking about how we think about numbers helped. Something like 20% of the kids were able to do the problems more easily.
See - numbers are a language - just a different kind of language. They are a language used to describe very abstract concepts that exist in nature. What is physics but a way of describing and understanding the natural world?
There's a motherfucker living in a white house which I hope he loses soon.
That Big Mac meal will come to $125,000.00. You can supersize it for another $30,000.00.
Shit, I knew I shoulda brought the bigger wheelbarrow.
Hurray for Helen Thomas!
From mediabistro via TPM:
BREAKING: Helen Thomas Keeps Front Row Seat
>UPDATE: And CNN gets a front-row seat...FOX will be in the second row. (earlier)
Fox should be in the LAST rwo, but whatever.
You aren't developmentally disabled with numbers (outside of the rare "number dyslexic"), you just weren't taught them in a way that allowed you to understand them. | JR, kerosene and a match.
This may certainly be true, but I don't think it's the whole truth. I once went out with a woman who insisted that my abhorrence of most veggies must have resulted from my mother's mediocre veggie-cooking skills during my formative years. (This was based on speculation; she hadn't actually eaten my mom's cooking.)
Like many Atriots, I believe, I was always way stronger in "verbal" skills. And I had a horribly traumatic freshman year in high school when I almost flunked honors algebra. It was obvious to the teacher that I "belonged" in honors math because of my general smarts; they couldn't understand why I and one other kid seemed to shut down in that class.
So they refused to transfer us to the non-honors class; instead, they saw it as an intellectual and moral challenge that I would not be allowed to avoid. They basically hassled me all year to fix my unacceptable negative attitude and "resistance"-- which, to be fair, became part of the problem. But I still remember how horrible it was from the get-go; one of my buddies really liked math, and would practically light up when we went to class. There were about ten guys (all-boy high school) who were like Martin Prince-- "Pick meee, teacher, I know the answer!"
Even on a more mundane level, I'm like Tom Bombadil when it comes to numbers; they have no hold on me. I put my bills on auto-pay; I don't retain how much my mortgage is, how much I make a week, how much cash is in my wallet. I'm not gloating about this at all, and I know there might be a circular, cause-and-effect disaffection at work here. Maybe passing freshman honors algebra (I got a D), the supposed triumph of character against adversity, shattered my mediocre aptitude for the rest of my life.
But, like Huck Finn becoming sivilized, I'm not sanguine about my chances of reconciling my numerical illiteracy. I been there before.
Shit, I knew I shoulda brought the bigger wheelbarrow.
NTodd, Balding
They take debit cards, you know.
They are a language used to describe very abstract concepts that exist in nature.
Tena
What I was talking about was for people haveing trouble with numbers. Words don't have single meanings, they also have associations and implications. The girl I'm working with right now has the problem of not understanding how "pure" numbers are, unlike words (her language skills are very good, BTW).
She keeps trying to treat numbers as words, and that's a large part of her proablem.
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DKos on McCain demonstrating he has become too mentally slow to be president.
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Why are all the DiTech loan commercials on teebee immediately followed by bankruptcy lawyer ads?
On another issue of numbers: Savannah Georgia has the third largest St. Patrick's Day parade in the world. In the US, however, one can not have a story about something being third place, so CNN reports that "Outside of New York and Dublin, Savannah has the world's largest St. Patrick's day parade."
Again, any typos appearing in the comments I post were not made by me. Typos were made. End of story.
One of the cleverest tricks the Republicans ever pulled off, was convincing its constituents that they too, would be allowed into the club just by trusting them with power.
Max Planck
The people who truly benefit from Republican policies comprise all of 3 percent of the electorate - obviously, they need to get some suckers in to keep that big tent from collapsing.
The wedge issues like gay marriage and abortion keep the little people Jesus freaks too distracted to think about the ARM payment on their McMansion in five years.
Like many Atriots, I believe, I was always way stronger in "verbal" skills.
Most people seem to be oriented more one way or the other...verbal or math. Only a few people are really comfortable and equally happy with both. But most people could be more comfortable with either if helped to develop their own unique "brain map" or whatever you want to call it - basically tapping into whatever thought process or sense helps them lay down the synapses.
gay mormon church don't exist?
Plum P
That would be the REALLY Reorganized Church of Latter Day Saints.
The worst thing to ever happen to republicans is gay marriage being banned and abortion being banned both constitutionally.
They know it, and never want it to happen. They just pretend to their voters if they just get a margin of 70% in the senate one day they will do it.
McCain demonstrating he has become too mentally slow to be president.
jawbone
So add dementia to his already full basket of psychological ailments.
It'll be interesting to see how he does in a debate against Rudy and Mitt ("Schlag") and anyone else who decides to jump in.
McCain demonstrating he has become too mentally slow to be president.
jawbone
So add dementia to his already full basket of psychological ailments.
It'll be interesting to see how he does in a debate against Rudy and Mitt ("Schlag") and anyone else who decides to jump in.
Jesus freaks too distracted to think about the ARM payment on their McMansion in five years.
Ah, so that's why they are so thrilled by the thought of the rapture.
They won't have to repay their loans.
Hackensack NJ?
steve simels
No, I left my previous job and now work pimping for the Constitution in midtown.
But I was there last night digging my car out of Main Street. Interesting, but apparently they forgot to plow Hackensack. Just an oversight.
Hackensack NJ?
steve simels
No, I left my previous job and now work pimping for the Constitution in midtown.
But I was there last night digging my car out of Main Street. Interesting, but apparently they forgot to plow Hackensack. Just an oversight.
Being "good with math" is really about nothing more than developing "number sense" from the very beginning. I can't really define it other than to say that "number sense"
I asked my daughter how she managed to get a 790 on the math psats when she hadn't taken trig or calc yet. She told me if she looked at a problem long enough it just made sense. Honey, I can look at a problem for ten years and still not have it make sense.
She never brought her math book home in eleventh grade and still got a 99 on the trig regents.
Chris Hedges on c-span2 is scaring the bejeesus out of anybody who'll listen.
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The Conservapedia contemplates the Scopes Trial.
trifecta | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 10:29 am | #
You're too damn funny.
I particularly liked the bit about Pat Robertson's protein shakes.
It'll be interesting to see how he does in a debate against Rudy and Mitt ("Schlag") and anyone else who decides to jump in.
It will be a replay of James Stockdale.
Like many Atriots, I believe, I was always way stronger in "verbal" skills.
Little Brøther
All humans are hardwired for language (hello, Broca and Wernicke), so that's not the issue.
I was talking about basic math skills, not advanced. I'm going to assume you can do long division.
You say that your language skills are naturally better than your math skills, but can you read Middle English without a glossary? Advanced maths *isn't* for everyone, anymore than reading Malory in the original is.
Fred Thompson is going to jump in and get a bunch of donor money. They have to do that. The GOP knows they have shit for candidates this cycle.
smalfish--Someone who's mortgaged to the hilt for their brand new house, barely able to furnishit, being told it will take thousands to fix will probably want to kill someone.
Bulder is probaly long gone--or legally immune. Wow.
Friends of mine went through hell trying to get their brand new house up to the specs of the contract--hours and hours and hours, thousands of legal fees. Only to be told that it would be better to just put up with the extra maintenance since the builder would not do anything to fix his "mistakes" and he had no assets to go after. Everything was in his wife's name.
So, now they have to do annual, difficult maintenance to prevent their improperly installed wood siding from rotting out. Expensive, yes, but mostly incredibly irritating.
Oh, and the gas fireplace was installed improperly and heat is lost through it. They ended up just sealing it off entirely, so it's useless to them, just taking up wall space.
They thought their builder would be great to work with since the wife works with his wife. Now, it's just too awkward at work for words!
JR, are you still Canadian today, or feeling any better?
"Liberty as submission" - a Hedges-identified theme amongst AWOL's speech writers.
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BTW, you most likely heard about the cat and dog food recall yesterday (if not, click here)... however, while it was initially reported to just be of "store-label" foods, turns out a couple of the better-known names are also involved:
Procter and Gamble announced Friday the recall of specific 3 oz., 5.5 oz., 6 oz. and 13.2 oz. canned and 3 oz. and 5.3 oz. foil pouch cat and dog wet food products made by Menu Foods but sold under the Iams and Eukanuba brands. The recalled products bear the code dates of 6339 through 7073 followed by the plant code 4197, P&G said.
So if you're feeding your pets Iams or Eukanuba, you might want to check.
I know of long division.
Ack....errands to run.
Talk to you guys in an hour or so.
Assuming you're here.
And thank god I'm not blogwhoring my wonderful new post over at PowerPop.
What I was talking about was for people haveing trouble with numbers. Words don't have single meanings, they also have associations and implications. The girl I'm working with right now has the problem of not understanding how "pure" numbers are, unlike words (her language skills are very good, BTW).
She keeps trying to treat numbers as words, and that's a large part of her proablem.
JR,
Well JR, it's just my pet theory about what math is.
ql - that's what I'm talking about. Problems do make more sense when you understand number relationships.
They had this show on TLC about a guy with mild Asperberger's syndrome, who sees numbers as a landscape and can solve very complex problems just by "walking through the landscape" in his mind. Really freaky, but then again, I don't think that any two people have identical brain mechanisms for processing and manipulating numbers.
The people who lose their homes are going to be looking for rental living, adding a huge demand stimulus that will raise rental costs for all current renters.
The historical relationship between home owning costs and rental living costs has been broken as a result of the huge home-buying splurge (financed by stupid loans), and now rental prices will soar, increasing the Consumer Price Index into inflation territory.
The Fed will raise interest rates and the coming recession caused by the downtown in home-building will likely lead to the favorite nightmare of everyone who remembers 18% interest rates from the Ford/Carter years.
Stagflation is on the way to a place near you.
I think that a lot of the "aptitude" thing is just familiarity. You use language all of the time, you don't use your math skills constantly. Some people have more of an affinity for math than others, but I don't think that precludes those without an affinity from being comfortable with the basics.
I also obviously don't have an affinity for typing.
I also obviously don't have an affinity for typing.
JR, kerosene and a match.
That's because you're a Canadian.
In law school, when the professor would want to show how, for example, you'd figure out the damages on a contract or how a tax problem worked, they'd ALWAYS say: "I'll use round numbers. I know that you guys are here instead of med school because you can't do numbers." Numbers don't come intuitively to me, but I can figure them out if I work at it. I can get general concepts: spend less than you can afford to spend, save and buy later rather than buying now and paying interest, etc. long before I can work out the exact numbers. I really do have to kind of give myself a bit of a pep talk to get over being afraid of the numbers, remind myself that if I take it slowly, I'll be able to get it. I went to school when it was, I am not making this up, cute for girls to "not get" numbers.
The GOP knows they have shit for candidates this cycle.
trifecta
Even after their '94 "Contract On America" success, they conceded the White House in '96. They threw the aged, Viagra-less Bob Dole to the fucking wolves. Funny how they did that against such a "reviled" President as Clinton.
smalfish--Someone who's mortgaged to the hilt for their brand new house, barely able to furnishit, being told it will take thousands to fix will probably want to kill someone.
I've literaly had women break down in tears.
Speaking of fixing brand new homes, I've got a guy in desperate need of seeing me right now.
Later.
Well JR, it's just my pet theory about what math is.
Tena
It's a valid model, but it's one that may not be useful for *learning* math, that's all.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/
sectio...jectid=10429203
As if nothing good could come of the death of Anna Nicole Smith...
:::Prince Frederic von Anhalt has sued Fox News and talkshow host Bill O'Reilly ...
Von Anhalt, who is married to Zsa Zsa Gabor, filed the defamation suit seeking at least US$10 million ($14.5 million) in damages on Thursday.:::
JimPortland,
But won't all those foreclosed homes now be for rent? It seems to me that the banks would rather rent them out than just let them sit empty, but I may be missing something.
I remember stagflation and it was not pretty.
my problem is retention. i can go through the book, comprehend the formula, manage to hang on to it long enough to test on it. but then by the next day, i've forgotten it.
That's probably psychological jello. You really aren't that interested, so your mind makes a deal to hold onto it for testing only. If you had a passion for it, you would retain it.
A little known provision of the PATRIOT act has been discovered which attaches financial obligations to the souls of individuals that incurred them. Loans now follow one into the afterlife with special hotlines established to Heaven, Hell, Limbo, Paradise, Nirvana, The Elysium Fields, Gehenna, and coming soon, the Outer Darkness, to allow contractor ChoicePoint to contact delinquent entities and dun them for payment. When the provision's Senate sponsor Joe Biden (D-BofA) was asked for an explanation he responded with what turns out to have been Shylock's soliloquy, though the Senator's office insists the thoughts are his.
The "reviled" Clinton's numbers never sank as low as The Deciderers.
She never brought her math book home in eleventh grade and still got a 99 on the trig regents.
ql in ny
you must be so proud. that blow my mind if i had offspring like that.
Stagflation is on the way to a place near you.
How can it stageflation, when prices are rising at nearly .04 percent a month?
I really do have to kind of give myself a bit of a pep talk to get over being afraid of the numbers,
Hecate
That's a big problem for a lot of the "kids" (mostly teens) that I've helped. I spend a lot of time beating the concept of numbers as "cute and harmless" into them.
my problem is retention. i can go through the book, comprehend the formula, manage to hang on to it long enough to test on it. but then by the next day, i've forgotten it.
I swear that I could not have passed the bar exam one week after I took it. Why remember stuff that you don't directly need?
Why remember stuff that you don't directly need?
Hecate
You don't win at Trivial Pursuit much, do you?
The "reviled" Clinton's numbers never sank as low as The Deciderers.
The neocons have convinced Bush that those numbers don't matter. He's Churchill, only better, because Churchill was agnostic, but Bush has god on his side.
Sigh, JR is ignoring the Canadian jibes today. It's not fun anymore.
Aw Geddy Lee.
I just bought a townhouse at the end of February, yeah, I know, maybe I bought at the wrong time. But you know, I would have spent several thousand dollars to move to another apartment. But I bought into an established community, low crime rate, that sort of thing.
Probably the only thing that pissed me off about the process was the mortgage broker trying to sell me an ARM. (My real estate agent was a long-time friend of the family and he was wonderful to work with.) Thing is, I have experience with exotic mortgages. I used to work in commercial real estate servicing back in the late 90s, back when A. Greenspan was raising rates. It's a pain in the ass to change interest rates, even with a computer figuring them out, and some of our notes were based on T-Bills, LIBORs, you name it. And some of our commercial borrowers were running family businesses, and were shocked when their interest rate would go up so many percent and it happened so often. So, what I got out of the experience was that if these rates had the potential to adjust, I didn't want anything to do with them, because I knew I could get screwed.
Anyway, back to present day. So this guy is trying to sell me something exotic and I cut him of with, "It's a 30 year note or nothing." I was absolutely uninterested in these exotic loan products. Been there, had the paterfamilias on the phone asking me to explain wtf happened to their payment.
I got my 30 year note, but it was a dicey proposition because my credit was still somewhat all over the map. (I don't understand why one credit agency can have me at 742 and another at 666. Don't get that at *all.*) Based on what I'm reading now, it might have been more difficult for me to get into a house even now, three weeks later.
But won't all those foreclosed homes now be for rent? It seems to me that the banks would rather rent them out than just let them sit empty, but I may be missing something.
Banks are *not* rental agencies. They do not engage in that practice that I have seen.
Why remember stuff that you don't directly need?
Some folks can't help it -- the wildest stuff just lodges in there.
You don't win at Trivial Pursuit much, do you?
If I'm teamed w/ someon who knows sports and pop culture, I'm almost unbeatable!
So I'm getting a real kick out of how the Blithering Misogynist Idiot Imitating Altmouse is so studiously avoiding bringing up Abu Gonzales, Scooter Libby, or Valerie Plame.
"American Idol," however, she'll go on about for days!
I esp. liked today's offering: YouTube is a "marketplace of ideas," see, and since Hitlery isn't in the Top Ten of All Videos Being Watched, she's therefore pwned! Or something...
Truly, it is to laugh!
I haven't look in on Althouse lately. Let me see if I can write my first comment and get banned.
The neocons have convinced Bush that those numbers don't matter.
Shrub says he doesn't pay attention to "focus groups". A. He does, more than any other Chief Executive in history, and B. 70% opposition is not a focus group.
Other than that, he is being honest.
But won't all those foreclosed homes now be for rent? It seems to me that the banks would rather rent them out than just let them sit empty, but I may be missing something.
They get resold to other people.
The real estate market will tank.
But won't all those foreclosed homes now be for rent? It seems to me that the banks would rather rent them out than just let them sit empty, but I may be missing something.
Banks are *not* rental agencies. They do not engage in that practice that I have seen.
Ok, but once you have a glut of foreclosed-upon homes it seems as if they'll be for rent. What am I missing? Say the bank auctions the homes at very low prices to investors. What do the investors do if they can't sell? Don't they rent them?
Why remember stuff that you don't directly need?
Hecate
You don't win at Trivial Pursuit much, do you?
JR, kerosene and a match. | 03.17.07 - 10:57 am | #
I remember lots of stuff that people I love have said to me. I don't know if I directly need it.
I'd like to take the GRE, but I know that I couldn't pass the math portion.
I work for a company that produces test questions for various examinations (not the GRE) so I know how they are constructed. I know that I would not recognize the correct answer among the three distractors because I don't know how the problems work at all.
If I'm teamed w/ someon who knows sports and pop culture, I'm almost unbeatable!
Hecate,
SO you do remember stuff you don't need. You just chose not to remember that stuff.
Probably a defense mechanism.
Goodmorning.....slept in today...got a sore throat and ear ache.
Ok, but once you have a glut of foreclosed-upon homes it seems as if they'll be for rent.
They will not rent them. They would rather resell at a lower price.
At the beginning of treatment for and life as a diabetic, my rather remarkable memory became very faulty, and for the first time ever I required shopping lists. I had no idea if it would improve at the time - it has - and I was scared to death. Adjusted to loving lists now.
Why remember stuff that you don't directly need?
Hecate
Are you advising Dubya?
Hellkitty,
You can so pass the GRE. I bet your county offers courses to prep for it. Even if you have to take it a time or two, it's worth it. I just know that you can pass it.
Ok, but once you have a glut of foreclosed-upon homes it seems as if they'll be for rent. What am I missing? Say the bank auctions the homes at very low prices to investors. What do the investors do if they can't sell? Don't they rent them?
Yes, Speculators come in and buy up at unbelievable prices. They then either rent them out and ungodly prices or resell at ungodly prices to unsuspecting dupes.
Really have to go now. I really don't know why I promise these people I'll be there on Saturdays. I wish I would stop this practice.
Nope. Banks won't rent them. What they will do is sell them to investors at reduced prices, in order to recoup liquid assets. They'll write off whatever loss they take on the sale.
And a new generation of slumlords is thus birthed.
Most people seem to be oriented more one way or the other...verbal or math. Only a few people are really comfortable and equally happy with both.
Jennifer
Many people, however, are equally imbecilic with numbers and words -- which doesn't necessarily prevent them from achieving high positions in government (provided they're Republicans).
They will not rent them. They would rather resell at a lower price.
Gomez | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 11:02 am | #
Everyone should expect the value of their homes to decline over the next 18 months.
Hedges discussing his "Christian Fascists" is followed by Newt Gingrich pimping his "Rediscovering God in America".
Sometimes . . .
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I'd like to take the GRE, but I know that I couldn't pass the math portion.
I work for a company that produces test questions for various examinations (not the GRE) so I know how they are constructed. I know that I would not recognize the correct answer among the three distractors because I don't know how the problems work at all.
Hellkitty
If I can get a decent score on the math section of the GRE anyone can. And I just prepared the day before.
Morning, batpeople.
Completely and utterly off topic, but we've got an R2D2 mailbox in our neighborhood!!!
http://tikistitch.livejournal.co...com/
576841.html
We're happy nerds!
Why remember stuff that you don't directly need?
Hecate
I hope Sinfonian is not around...
Hedges discussing his "Christian Fascists" is followed by Newt Gingrich pimping his "Rediscovering God in America".
When its a liberal its discussion, when it's Newt, its pimping. See ho the liberal bias mind works?
http://news.independent.co.uk/
wo...icle2366504.ece
::: President Pervez Musharraf's regime in Pakistan is resorting to increasingly heavy-handed methods to quell protests against him that are growing by the day.
In Islamabad yesterday hundreds of police fought protesters outside the Supreme Court. And as the protests continued, riot police stormed the Geo private television station, which was broadcasting pictures of the protests, tear-gassed the staff and smashed up the studio.:::
copyright Dave. Take a look at my comment at Althouse
I'd like to take the GRE, but I know that I couldn't pass the math portion.
Yeah, take a prep course, do your best, and apply to a school that prizes your non-math score anyway.
Banks take back the title to the homes at the auction. Then they remarket them and sell as soon as possible. It is rare for a speculator to buy a house at an auction unless there is a least $20K equity in it. Most new mortgages will not have that much equity.
What ho, troll?
movie reminder:
'ace in the hole' is beginning on tcm about a media circus that develops about a mine collapse. billy wilder movie starring kirk douglas
Hellkitty,
You can so pass the GRE. I bet your county offers courses to prep for it. Even if you have to take it a time or two, it's worth it. I just know that you can pass it.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 11:03 am | #
That's heartening news! Mr. Hellkitty passed with a 1700 and he tells me that I can pass it too if I get a study guide and work with it.
Hey! This also is not ALL about people buying new homes. I cannot believe all the rebuilding going on around Dallas. I have never seen so many homes being torn down to build new mcmansions in place of 50 year old homes.
This is something I really don't understand. There's tons of new construction here (in Seattle) too--cranes everywhere. AND I've talked to several young people who can't afford houses in the city. Um, how does this real estate boom maintain if nobody can buy a house?
Helkitty,
They sell practice books for the GRE, too. When I was thinking of going to law school, I bought a bunch of the practice books for the LSAT and just kept working the problems, looking at the ones that I got wrong, figuring out what I did wrong, taking more practices, etc. What if it takes you a year or two years? In two years, you'll be two years older; the only question is whether you'll be two years older with or without the GRE.
Some people perhaps don't think a man who has committed adultery numerous times has
"rediscovered" god as much as he wants to line his pockets pretending he has.
BTW, a lot of the mortgages in the last several years came with phonied up appraisals that overstated the actual value of the property.
So expect a lot of fraud investigations too.
Rudy, Newt, and McCain did say Oh Jesus when they were banging their mistresses plantsman, so I think you are being a bit unfair,
Liberals hate God and want to outlaw Him. They like Allah though.
Tom - 大肚腩 | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 11:06 am | #
And the coup begins. The U.S. has made it very clear that Musharraf has to go. First you need the obligatory riots by opposition parties followed by the military deposing him.
Something no one has mentioned yet, and forgive me for not being able to remember the exact number or where I read this...but wasn't some 40% of the "housing boom" attributed to people buying second homes? I seem to recall that the number was quite high.
Here in TX we have begun to see ads for "foreclosure investing" Regular folks who have apparently made a killing buying and flipping houses. Its all a shuck.
Take a look at my comment at Althouse
We'll see how long that lasts. Mine got deleted!
You know, why don't we ALL go over to the Blithering Idiot's site and leave completely off-topic comments? Here's the comments link!
See ya there!
When its a liberal its discussion, when it's Newt, its pimping. See ho the liberal bias mind works?
auggysback
when it's Newt, it's antiAmerican lying, auggy. even I know that
trolls are stupid.
I wouldn't want to be a Xian Fundie, I seems strange to me, to be waterboarded into joining.
Haven't read all the posts, but good to see som many regulars. I don't show up musch on weekends, but Mrs. Rev is with the MIL.
Got about 7" of snow since last night, and still coming down. No parades here, though.
How y'all doing?
Fox should be in the LAST rwo, but whatever.
Fox should be out back by the dumpster.
Priceless Weathervane McCain:
Mr. McCain: (Laughs) "Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it."
Liberals hate God and want to outlaw Him. They like Allah though.
auggysback
It's the same god, dumbfuck.
Fox should be out back in the dumpster.
Neponset
Fixed that for you.
trolls are stupid.
plantsman, lowercase
Bears repeating.
In other news, the sky is still blue, and Bush is still incompetent.
allah and god are the same, auggy, they don't exist, and don't have to be outlawed. you're fucking stupid
allah and god are the same, auggy, they don't exist, and don't have to be outlawed. you're fucking stupid
It's the same god, dumbfuck.
Moronic brownshirt fuck head explode in 4... 3... 2...
HuffPo does give Breathless Headlines.
It isn't necessary for Fox to be at the WH. The WH can just e-mail their press releases to them to be automatically read all day.
Liberals hate God and want to outlaw Him. They like Allah though.
auggysback | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 11:10 am | #
Does it take you long to think this shit up?
I am a liberal; I don't hate God; my God does, however, hate torture, rape, and murder.
Remedial troll history lesson. The God of the Jews is the same God of Christians and Muslims. Christians believe that God brought us Jesus with new testimony. Muslims believe that Mohammed came as a prophet of the same God.
Oh, and troll, get out of your mother's basement. Have a little dignity.
C'mon... who wants to flashmob the Blithering Idiot Imitating Altmouse?
God is just pretend.
Hecate, that's a very good point. I do have a book to prep with...its just extremely frustrating to try to do the math portion. Verbal and written I have no problem...the company I work for has a 100% reimbursement program for education that directly benefits the company. I want to get my Masters in HR management and do it soon.
Why is grain production down worldwide? Is ADM the new cartel?
Total US wheat production has dropped from 58.74 million metric tons in 2004 to a projected 49.32 in March of 2007. That's a drop of 16%. Over the same period (2004 to Match 2007's yearly projection) all European countries have decreased wheat production as well. Australia -- which has been hit by a drought -- has seen production drop from 22.60 to 10.5 million metric tons. Overall world production has dropped from 628.59 million metric tons in 2004 to 593.11 million metric tons -- a decrease of 5.62%.
US and world production of course grains is also down. US production has dropped from 319 million metric tons in 2004 to a projected 280 million metric tons in 2007. That's a decrease of 12.2%. Overall world production has dropped from 1,014 million metric tons in 2004 to a projected 966 million metric tons in March 2007. That's a decrease of 4.73%.
And corn production is also down in the US and the world. Over the 2004 to the projection 2007 yield, US production has dropped from 300 million metric tons to a projected 2007 yield of 267 million metric tons (or 11%) while world production has dropped from 712 million metric tons in 2004 to a 2007 projected yield of 693 million metric tons (or 2.66%).
Simple economics states that declining supply = increasing price.
from agonist.org
How do you hate something that doesn't exist?
Liberals hate God and want to outlaw Him. They like Allah though.
auggysback
i amm a 'liberal' and i would celebrate the official announcement of the demise of the whole crew of paternalistic, monotheistic assholes: "Yaweh"/"God"/"Allah"/"Jesus"...should they all awaken tomorrow dead and irrelevant, i would be a happy man...
'afternoon, bats!
I just called MY mortgage company about my job situation and they couldn't care less.
For one thing, they've outsourced and you can't even understand the person you're speaking with.
Tell them you lost your job and all you get is "Can you make your payment today?"
I almost told the "customer service rep" to go fuck himself.
It turns out that Jesus had two wives, which may be a plus for Mitt.
Had an interseting talk with an agnostic friend recently. Told him that I'd have a hard time id'ing a "christian" today, as so few people embody the teahings of Christ. Paul changed everything to reflect his beliefs, or rather his chronicler did.
Christ had some good ideas. Too bad the are mostly ignored.
I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it."
Gomez
If he's opposed to gummint spending on contraceptive, who does he think supplied all the condoms issued to the Greatest Generation military during WWII?
Who killed Cock Robin?
I, said the Sparrow,
with my bow and arrow,
I killed Cock Robin.
Who saw him die?
I, said the Fly,
with my little eye,
I saw him die.
I am a liberal; I don't hate God; my God does, however, hate torture, rape, and murder.
Shared Humanity
And ignorant little fuckers like auggy, who posts the same shit every day because he has nothing else.
you must be so proud. that blow my mind if i had offspring like that.
jello
Nah, she was a pain in the ass. Never bringing the book home meant never doing the homework, which meant phone calls from the school. They even had some rule that if you missed more than two homeworks in a marking period you were suspended until a parent came in. 3/4 my gray hairs come from that kid.
She's a charming, loving young woman now, but we just barely made it.
Christ had some good ideas.
Revenant
I especially like the one about "praying in your closet"
Hey, that "surge" thing is going well!
I heard the weather in DC last night was pretty bad...
what's it gonna be like when the left goes forth to desecrate memorials to our fallen heroes today???
?
Is there a class of mortgage called Abysmally Subprime? That's what my brother-in-law has.
Shouldn't McCain already KNOW if he's for or against something?
Why does he have to check first?
Liberals hate God and want to outlaw Him. They like Allah though.
Strawgod fallacy.
C'mon, now. Auggy demonstrates Christian principles.
You know: Loving one's enemy, tolerance...
Christ had some good ideas.
"Jesus was alright. It was his disciples who were thick." - John Lennon
She's a charming, loving young woman now, but we just barely made it.
ql in ny | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 11:19 am | #
I think this is my new mantra!
Shouldn't McCain already KNOW if he's for or against something?
That episode was beyond pathetic. Which, of course, doesn't necessarily preclude him from the nomination.
If he's opposed to gummint spending on contraceptive, who does he think supplied all the condoms issued to the Greatest Generation military during WWII?
Max Planck
Olive drab, weren't they?
auggy, lousy parody or really one of the idiots that think that the Flintstones was a documentary?
I'd like to take the GRE, but I know that I couldn't pass the math portion.
Time for me to note that on the GRE, I received the lowest maths score ever to be recorded for someone who was not only admitted to the UCLA Dept of History, but who subsequently earned a PhD.... 3rd percentile. I respect maths, I honor maths, I occasionally even figure, but I am not one with them.
Off to chore!
Hecate, that's a very good point. I do have a book to prep with...its just extremely frustrating to try to do the math portion. Verbal and written I have no problem...the company I work for has a 100% reimbursement program for education that directly benefits the company. I want to get my Masters in HR management and do it soon.
You just need some help on the math. Call your local board of education and find out what prep courses they offer for the GRE; most do. Also, maybe your company would pay for a tutor (such as the person who teaches the GRE prep for the BoE, who, I bet, would welcome a bit of extra cash.) It may be frustrating to find the help, but it is out there (also check local college of education; many of their students will tutor). Just remind yourself of all the idiots who have passed it and you'll know that you can certainly pass it (that's how I psyched myself up for the bar exam).
Olive drab, weren't they?
Lime Rickey
The rubbers were all sent in care packages from home, I suppose.
Olive drab, weren't they?
Lime Rickey
Camoflauge (sp?)
Yabba dabba fucking doo, JR.
I'm sure auggy could only believe in the Flintsones if they lived about 4000 years ago.
Dino and all.
I have no problem with god.
It's his fan club that sucks.
Just remind yourself of all the idiots who have passed it and you'll know that you can certainly pass it (that's how I psyched myself up for the bar exam).
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
Camoflauge (sp?)
Terry C - End Bush's War Now!
They were introduced during the Vietnam war, I think.
Weather in DC today is better, cold and windy but sunny and clear. The peaceful march will be well-attended and will enjoy nice sunny skies.
Excellent point, Terry.
Liberals hate God and want to outlaw Him. They like Allah though.
auggysback
It's the same god, dumbfuck.
JR, kerosene and a match.
Classic Auggy and best comeback evah.
Everyone is an atheist.
How many Xians believe in Zeus or Thor?
That's heartening news! Mr. Hellkitty passed with a 1700 and he tells me that I can pass it too if I get a study guide and work with it.
Hellkitty
If I could do it, you can. Honestly, maybe because my brain changed with age, but I learned trig in about two weeks when I was 41. Enough anyway to pass a test that was holding up the granting of my degree. Still haven't figured out why I needed it though.
auggy's not answering; he's hiding because the recruiters are going door-to-door in his neighborhood.
Hard to believe that the little crocuses who smiled at us in Wednesday's sun are under this two feet of snow (or whatever).
Also hard to believe *I'm* gonna be the one shoveling off the driveway at some point...
Why should people who cannot make good investment decisions be bailed out? Should we bail out people on Wall Street who lose everything because they got in over their heads? And what about people who are trying to buy homes--should they be penalized with home prices that will not come down so much because the government is bailing out people who do not know how to manage their finances?
hecate/goddess?
what's the weather in dc today?
is it gonna be nice enough for a full-out liberal assault on the memorials to our fallen heroes and heroines?
.
Troll pedestrian on Track 9, cleanup to Track 9...
what's it gonna be like when the left goes forth to desecrate memorials to our fallen heroes today???
Woody, it's gray, cold and windy, just above freezing. I suspect a lot of the "eagles" have decided to stay in the nest today.
Good morning. What can I say? It's already happening here in CA, big time.
I have no problem with god.
It's his fan club that sucks.
Terry C
We had Mormons on the doorstep yesterday! I guess I need to spray.
And what about people who are trying to buy homes--should they be penalized with home prices that will not come down so much because the government is bailing out people who do not know how to manage their finances?
dissent
Well, the rich are automatically ruled out. That leaves the middle class and the poor to underwrite the bailouts.
From the flood, where He killed almost everything alive, then regretted it (so sorry, have a rainbow), to trying to make amends for The First Gotcha in the Garden with a cockamamie plan combining compassion and execution (for God so loved the world, He gave us another excuse to kill each other), God has a too many emotional issues to work on to worry about who currently hates or loves Him.
Okay, haven't gotten a nibble in here, so I'm off to fried eggs & tuscan toast.
good day all.
That was some lame-ass name stealing above but don't worry I understand. There were alot of limp dicks in Liberal-land last night with the document dump not happening and W bitch slapping you again. Since neither you nor your boyfriend could get it up you had to have something to do, ok sugar.
There were alot of limp dicks in Liberal-land last night with the document dump not happening and W bitch slapping you again.
I always love the whistling past the graveyard schtick.
Of course, when it gets home, its gotta change its underwear right away...
The US atty scandal is wrapping its tentacles around little Ricky Santorum's ankles. Remember that business about the PA county that had to pay for his kids' education even though they lived in VA. Inquiring minds want to know why that went nowhere. Oh Alberto. What have you done? Josh Marshall has it all.
Woody, it's gray, cold and windy, just above freezing. I suspect a lot of the "eagles" have decided to stay in the nest today.
Kid Charlemagne | 03.17.07 - 11:28 am
that kinda weather usually restrains all but the most committed...
gonna be about 75°F here today, if anybody wants to protest in the sinshine...
no memorials to deface though, unfortunately, and both heather and pete are sequestered with their attys in DC trying to figger out how they'll stay outta jail for the USAtty scandals...
.
Think I'll take a nap, all.
The trolls are making me sleepy, and my dog is having bad dreams.
Crying in her sleep, anyway.
There were alot of limp dicks in Liberal-land last night with the document dump not happening and W bitch slapping you agai
O you think so?
;lol:;lol:
Abu already has one foot out the door and CooCoo is in deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep shit.
GLOATgloatGLOATgloatGLOATgloatGLOATgloat...
I think this is my new mantra!
whiskey
Glad to be of assistance.
Terry, that sucks about the mortgage.
I have no problem with god.
It's his fan club that sucks.
Terry C
Time for a Tom the Dancing Bug toon!
Aw, heck...have another!
Gee, another troll OBSESSED with teh gay sex.
What a surprise.
gonna be about 75°F here today
Y'all may be a touch warmer than we are. It's supposed to be in the low 70s here today.
War 4 Oil | 03.17.07 - 11:31 am
blow it outcher barracks bag, butch...
oh, yeah, that's right, you never had a baracks bag to blow it iout, didja...
never wore the uniform, swore the oath, ate the emperor's salt...
just a gutless, fucking, ass-licking, turd-sucking coward...
sorry, i forgot...
Did it ever? I never was taught compound interest.
Well, I had home ec (required) in 8th grade, and family life (elective) in 10th grade. Learned all sorts of useful shit.
NTodd, Balding | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 9:53 am
Think I had something similar to Family Life Senior year: how to set up a checking account, comparing life insurance, etc.
It needs to be mandatory, the 'life maths' and skills.
Terry, that sucks about the mortgage.
ql in ny
When that mortgage company outsourced last year, I wonder how many of THEIR people were put out of work.
So for St. Patty's day I got Layed off from my job. The firm layed off all of its longtime employees.
It was a massacre. No one had any clue. the word came down and one by one managers called people into to tell them the news.
Funny thing is in order to get my whole severence I have to work for the next two weeks to transition my work to the remaining memebers of my team. Should be fun.
Sheesh, Tena, it's 21 here, WC of8.
We won't be seeing 70 for a while.
At the beginning of treatment for and life as a diabetic, my rather remarkable memory became very faulty, and for the first time ever I required shopping lists. I had no idea if it would improve at the time - it has - and I was scared to death. Adjusted to loving lists now.
plantsman, lowercase | 03.17.07 - 11:03 am |
Ah, yes, the potency of our bodies' hormones and chemicals over our...selves. Even if intellectually, we don't believe in mind/body separation, our culture builds it into us. But, indeed, the body controls how the mind functions--or, rather, it is one organism. D'uh.
Going through the changes from varying levels of snthetic thyroid hormone since my thyroidectomy last January has been very, uh, interesting. Scary at times, but fascinating. With my last change in dosage, suddenly the twenty pounds I could not move off my body just melted away. I still have the pre-diagnosis weight to take off, but, wow. I did basically nothing different--my body just lost the weight.
Oh, and I'm feeling much warmer now, no longer freezing all the time.
The absolutely most fascinating experience was when I took a genetically engineered medication which allowed whatever thyroid tissue remained after surgery (impossible to get it all-would have to excise the whole neck tissue practically) to again excrete thyroid hormone, in addition to my synthetic dosage. My energy level soared, yes; but, more important, I was so much more focussed and able to make decisions in record time, read with more concentration, get things finished. For a very mundane example, I was cleaning out the garage and instead of spending minutes analyzing what to do with something, or not even deciding, I simply saw immediately what to do. It was not discipline--it was the hormones' effect.
It was amazing--and faded as the effect of the drug went out of my system. But I got done more done in that 3-ish weeks than I had in, oh, the previous three months--maybe six months.
The next time I used the drug, in preparation for the internal radiation to kill off remnant thyroid tissue, the effect lasted a much shorter time. Guess the radiation began working fairly quickly.... Now, all I hope is that the job was finished with the first go round--most patients have to have two times or more, however, and I'll learn that in April or May during my yearly follow-up test.
This experience really brought home to me the problems people with bi-polar or other chemical imbalances go through.
I have no problem with gay sex, I get what I pay for
Ah jeez, UF, I'm so damn sorry.
Top of the morning to ye on this gray, grizzly afternoon. Kent
O'Brockman live on Main Street, where today everyone is a little bit
Irish, except, of course, for the gays and the Italians.
/that's all I've got so far...
That sucks, Fenian.
What field of work, Fenian? And sorry--not good to have that kind of change just thrown at you. Best wishes for whatever you do next.
Just like the Chimp to keep stretching out the Abu Gonzales scandal.
Hope he handles it just like he did with Rummy. These pinheads never learn.
WASHINGTON - Hundreds of anti-war demonstrators and supporters of the U.S. policy in Iraq shouted at each other Saturday from opposite sides of a street bordering the National Mall as protesters formed a march to the Pentagon to denounce a war entering its fifth year.
The anti-war group carried signs saying "U.S. Out of Iraq Now," "Stop Iraq War, No Iran War, Impeach" and "Illegal Combat." The other side carried signs saying "Peace Through Strength," "al-Qaida Appeasers On Parade" and "We Are At War, Liberals Root For the Enemy."
Police on horseback and foot separated the demonstrators, who were on opposite sides of Constitution Avenue in view of the Lincoln Memorial. Barriers also kept them apart.
Cheryl Davis, 62, a library assistant from Celina, Ohio, endured a nine-hour overnight drive in the wake of a late-winter storm to raise her voice against the conflict that has killed more than 3,200 members of the U.S. armed forces. "I just want peace," she said. "I just have to do my part." She had supported the Vietnam War when her ex-husband fought in it.
Protesters met at the starting point of the epic 1967 march on the Pentagon, which began peacefully but turned ugly in clashes between authorities and more radical elements of the crowd. More than 600 were arrested that day. It was there that anti-war activist Abbie Hoffman led the masses in chants, with the fanciful goal of levitating the building.
Saturday's march was the main event in demonstrations around the country, stretching to the anniversary of the invasion Tuesday.
Police on horses ensured anti-war protesters and counterdemonstrators stayed apart at the staging area. Several thousand people, many of them service members, rallied in support of the war. They played "The Battle Hymn of the Republic;" the anti-war crowd danced to Stevie Wonder's "Superstition."
Veterans, some from the Rolling Thunder motorcycle group, lined up at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.
"I'm not sure I'm in support of the war," said William "Skip" Publicover of Charleston, S.C., who was a swift boat gunner in Vietnam and lost two friends whose names are etched on the memorial's wall. "I learned in Vietnam that it's difficult if not impossible to win the hearts and minds of the people."
Park Police Lt. Scott Fear said more than 200 people were arrested from a crowd of several thousand protesters who marched to the White House on Friday night after a peace service at the Washington National Cathedral. Those arrested were handcuffed, taken away on buses and fined $100 for disobeying a lawful order or crossing a police line. They had demonstrated on the sidewalk in front of the White House, where protesters are required to continue moving.
The windows of the White House were dark, as President Bush was away for the weekend at Camp David in Maryland.
The church service and weekend protests drew John Pattison, 29, from Portland, Ore., to his first anti-war rally. He said his opposition to t
Wow. What's with everyone getting laid off?
I'm starting to feel a little guilty about regaining full-time, permanent employment after a year...
WASHINGTON - Hundreds of anti-war demonstrators and supporters of the U.S. policy in Iraq shouted at each other Saturday from opposite sides of a street bordering the National Mall as protesters formed a march to the Pentagon to denounce a war entering its fifth year.
The anti-war group carried signs saying "U.S. Out of Iraq Now," "Stop Iraq War, No Iran War, Impeach" and "Illegal Combat." The other side carried signs saying "Peace Through Strength," "al-Qaida Appeasers On Parade" and "We Are At War, Liberals Root For the Enemy."
Police on horseback and foot separated the demonstrators, who were on opposite sides of Constitution Avenue in view of the Lincoln Memorial. Barriers also kept them apart.
Cheryl Davis, 62, a library assistant from Celina, Ohio, endured a nine-hour overnight drive in the wake of a late-winter storm to raise her voice against the conflict that has killed more than 3,200 members of the U.S. armed forces. "I just want peace," she said. "I just have to do my part." She had supported the Vietnam War when her ex-husband fought in it.
Protesters met at the starting point of the epic 1967 march on the Pentagon, which began peacefully but turned ugly in clashes between authorities and more radical elements of the crowd. More than 600 were arrested that day. It was there that anti-war activist Abbie Hoffman led the masses in chants, with the fanciful goal of levitating the building.
Saturday's march was the main event in demonstrations around the country, stretching to the anniversary of the invasion Tuesday.
Police on horses ensured anti-war protesters and counterdemonstrators stayed apart at the staging area. Several thousand people, many of them service members, rallied in support of the war. They played "The Battle Hymn of the Republic;" the anti-war crowd danced to Stevie Wonder's "Superstition."
Veterans, some from the Rolling Thunder motorcycle group, lined up at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.
"I'm not sure I'm in support of the war," said William "Skip" Publicover of Charleston, S.C., who was a swift boat gunner in Vietnam and lost two friends whose names are etched on the memorial's wall. "I learned in Vietnam that it's difficult if not impossible to win the hearts and minds of the people."
Park Police Lt. Scott Fear said more than 200 people were arrested from a crowd of several thousand protesters who marched to the White House on Friday night after a peace service at the Washington National Cathedral. Those arrested were handcuffed, taken away on buses and fined $100 for disobeying a lawful order or crossing a police line. They had demonstrated on the sidewalk in front of the White House, where protesters are required to continue moving.
The windows of the White House were dark, as President Bush was away for the weekend at Camp David in Maryland.
UF & Terry, I really am so sorry.
Hope he handles it just like he did with Rummy. These pinheads never learn.
Kid Charlemagne
Nope. I especially love the troll telling us that CooCoo bitchslapped us "again."
That's too fucking funny. He's in deep trouble, but he's bitchslapping us by failing to cooperate with Congress.
Surprise, War4Oil - the Congress is your little tin god's boss. They can fire his sorry motherfucking ass and they may yet.
The anti-war group carried signs saying "U.S. Out of Iraq Now," "Stop Iraq War, No Iran War, Impeach" and "Illegal Combat." The other side carried signs saying "Peace Through Strength," "al-Qaida Appeasers On Parade" and "We Are At War, Liberals Root For the Enemy."
FUCKING ASSHOLES
I have no problem with god.
It's his fan club that sucks.
Terry C
Ain't it the truth.
W4O, obsessing about the document dump will keep the reality of your criminal leaders being jailed off your mind for another 2-3 days, until the hearings start up again. hang onto every little scrap you can find, you will certainly need it. We are going to crush you, and drive you out of office and power, where you will once again languich for decades, while decent people (liberals, by the way) clean up all of W's shit.
Several thousand people, many of them service members, rallied in support of the war. They played "The Battle Hymn of the Republic;" the anti-war crowd danced to Stevie Wonder's "Superstition."
Veterans, some from the Rolling Thunder motorcycle group, lined up at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.
"I'm not sure I'm in support of the war," said William "Skip" Publicover of Charleston, S.C., who was a swift boat gunner in Vietnam and lost two friends whose names are etched on the memorial's wall. "I learned in Vietnam that it's difficult if not impossible to win the hearts and minds of the people."
So, they've learned NOTHING.
Sorry about the betrayal, Unrepentant Fenian. Buckets of green beer may not help, but it won't hurt for a while, either.
Rmj:
Goosd to hear from you.
Thanks, but if it's all just the same, I'll take the snakes back.
Unrepentant Fenian:
I joined that club yesterday.
Isn't the Bush Boom wonderful?
The WaPo exercised affected the usual faux even-handedness in this article. It focuses on warmonger counter-demonstrators referring to themselves as the "Gathering of Eagles". Apparently these Yahoos, like our troll thread-lice, flocked to DC to "occupy" the Vietnam Veteran Memorial upon the pretext that filthy hippie scum intended to pollute and deface it with their noxious presence.
I suppose the highlight of this assembly of jingo reactionaries will be their performance of "Let the Eagle Soar". That oughta teach those Mumia-coddling freaks!
They'll be scraping Eagle shit off the place for days.
The windows of the White House were dark, as President Bush was away for the weekend at Camp David in Maryland.
Terry C -
Chickenshit little lunatic - they knew there was a protest scheduled and he left town to avoid it.
Hundreds of anti-war demonstrators and supporters of the U.S. policy in Iraq shouted at each other Saturday
One of the cablies decrribed the anti-war people as Christians.
Just one big sheet of ice out there. It's raining ice, even.
20 years ago i was talking about using real-world contexts for teaching math, both concepts and applications...we called it 'ethical maths.'
it caused quite a furor: instead of train crashes in chillicothe, the curriculum looked at the costs and prices of real-world inequalities, which are all the starker when 'reduced' to numbers...
take the concept of compound interest on loans to nation-states.
the sheckels mount up really quickly when the interest is being charged on BILLIONS of dollars...
or comparing what it costs a renter to rent that is saved by the owner who rents?
class war, motherfuckers
Unrepentant Fenian:
I joined that club yesterday.
Isn't the Bush Boom wonderful?
Terry C
O Terry - I'm so damn sorry. Sheeeit.
UF and Terry, I was laid off on January 15. It's tough, I know, but life continues. Keep your courage up. Best thoughts go out to you.
"al-Qaida Appeasers On Parade"
Because opposing a war against non al Qaida appeases al-Qaida.
The logic...... escapes me.
BTW:
The grand marshall for today's parade here in St. Paul?
Local meteorologist named Sven Sundgaard.
Huh?
Why is it that the horse is already out of the barn before politicians think about closing the gate? It's not like this mortgage crisis was unforseen or unpredictable. Perhaps now they can make use of those 80,000 paid for and unused FEMA trailers until they can get an expansion of homeless shelters underway.
The other side carried signs saying "Peace Through Strength," "al-Qaida Appeasers On Parade" and "We Are At War, Liberals Root For the Enemy."
So why aren't they in uniform and over there fighting Bush's Glorious Battle?
Moe:
We've been pretty much spared the ice storms this year...some minor stuff, but nothing like we've seen in the past.
Still, we'll take the worst ice storms over hurricanes, tornados, and earth quakes any day.
Surprise, War4Oil - the Congress is your little tin god's boss. They can fire his sorry motherfucking ass and they may yet.
Tena | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 11:41 am |
I'm sure Steny, Rahm and all the Blue Dog Democrats are working on this as we speak ;}
Surprise, War4Oil - the Congress is your little tin god's boss. They can fire his sorry motherfucking ass and they may yet.
Tena | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 11:41 am |
I'm sure Steny, Rahm and all the Blue Dog Democrats are working on this as we speak ;}
One of the cablies decrribed the anti-war people as Christians.
pie
I'm sure most of them were, just on demographics.
he other side carried signs saying "Peace Through Strength," "al-Qaida Appeasers On Parade" and "We Are At War, Liberals Root For the Enemy."
That's not the "other side".
That's a group of mentally ill folk who were given markers and some posterboard.
So for St. Patty's day I got Layed off from my job. The firm layed off all of its longtime employees.
Shit, that sucks. I'm so sorry. Here's hoping that you find something better soon. Anyplace that short-sighted isn't someplace you want to be working, anyway.
UF and Terry, I was laid off on January 15. It's tough, I know, but life continues. Keep your courage up. Best thoughts go out to you.
Toonscribe | 03.17.07 - 11:44 am
godddam, man, my heart goes out to all y'all...
i mean you got lives, kids, all that stuff...
i dunno how, but if i can help, lemme know...
./
jeez...
Tena:
Got the word yesterday afternoon around 3:30.
It's going to be tough. The last time I found myself unemployed was around this time eleven years ago. THEN I was married and had "back-up"; my mortgage payments were also nowhere near as high as they are now.
I filed for unemployment but how far will those checks get me?
I should have seen it coming. The founding member of the law firm has fallen prey to Alzheimer's and his estranged wife is doing time in jail for defrauding investors out of half a million bucks - ruined his and the firm's rep!
The phone calls were few and far between and we weren't getting many cases. I think they're going under.
I wonder how much luck I'm going to have getting a job at MY age.
Here's the link to the CBS story out of Pittsburgh questioning why the AUSA didn't probe Santorum
Heehee, I'm loving this. This Buchanan babe even looks like a Republic hack.
One of the cablies decrribed the anti-war people as Christians.
There was supposed to be a large gathering of xians yesterday at the National Cathedral and then a march to the WH. I heard that they had a large group. Many likely stayed for today's march, as well.
Good luck to all of you who've become unemployed.
Watching the news last night, Mrs Rev said, "Maybe we should move to Canada". As said before, I can see it from my office.
I said, "Why not? I already speak Canadian...'I'll have a beer, ay'?"
Yea, Revenant, I can't complain. It's supposed to get up to 8 Commie degrees this afternoon, so all this will melt soon.
So how many showed up for the gathering of turkeys?
The grand marshall for today's parade here in St. Paul?
Local meteorologist named Sven Sundgaard.
Heh. Awesome. Everybody *is* Irish!!
I'm sure Steny, Rahm and all the Blue Dog Democrats are working on this as we speak ;}
War 4 Oil |
They aren't the only Democrats in Congress, asshole, and the people want your little tin god gone so bad that Congress may yet do what we elected it to do.
Especially since the WH has been obstructing justice. Congress is getting ready to subpoena Rove, you know.
Your little tin god will be ever so lucky if he makes it to January,'09.
But if he does - great. He's destroyed the Repug party almost all by himself, and the more damage he does (and he does, daily) the better for the Democratic majority.
Maybe we'll hold it for another 40 years before y'all get another chance to fuck it all up hopelessly in about 10.
GLOATgloatGLOATgloatGLOATgloatGLOATgloat...
I said, "Why not? I already speak Canadian...'I'll have a beer, ay'?"
Revenant
Now let's work on "A double-double and a honey cruller, please"
What the media don't say is that there are probably about 150 war lovers there.
As opposed to thousands of anti-war people.
Remember the concept of consumer protection? I miss it.
Tena:
Has anyone told the troll that members of Bush's own party are turning on him?
There was supposed to be a large gathering of xians yesterday at the National Cathedral and then a march to the WH. I heard that they had a large group. Many likely stayed for today's march, as well.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 11:49 am
equivocal kinda story on it on WESAT today...bad weather, a couple of arrests in front of the whithouse, for some reason...
.
Terry,
You too? So sorry. I hope you find something soon.
Will light incense for all of you job seekers tonight.
Email me if you'd like a tarot reading.
Everybody *is* Irish!!
tikistitch
No, we are not.
JR:
One says that at a Tim Horton's, I'll warrant.
OH,yeah...ay?
Tena:
Has anyone told the troll that members of Bush's own party are turning on him?
Terry C
O he knows.
The ruins are unavoidable - they are in plain sight and every Repug and every trolls knows it's over. Done, ruined, fucked.
I've been e-mailing and faxing pretty much all day.
Terry:
I'm beginning to hope even Repugs are getting buyers' remorse.
Heh. Awesome. Everybody *is* Irish!!
tikistitch | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 11:50 am
a lot of the irish are descended from vikings...
dublin was once the center of the viking empire on that part of the ocean...
they 'conquered' by getting assimilated...
.
ha ha
Greatest-Generation schtickmeister Brokaw gets hacked:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11497287/
I meant "schlockmeister."
My French is weak.
Really do gotta run.
Best, all.
Keep the faith.
We had Mormons on the doorstep yesterday! I guess I need to spray.
tikistitch
I use a giant Havaheart trap.
Then you can harmlessly release them in Utah or Idaho.
You know, when that bastard stole his second election in 2004, I had a feeling that there was a scandal coming that would make Watergate look like nothing.
There HAD to be - this crew is THAT arrogant.
Little did I know there would be more than one scandal.
They're goin' down!
Random thought: If all the folks who have been laid off recently during this "boom" actually got together to share their stories and plan action, imagine the power that could be unleashed.
We are atomized into consumption units and made to feel isolated and powerless, making it easier for the political system to ignore the worker and reward these destroyers of livelihood.
I should have seen it coming. The founding member of the law firm has fallen prey to Alzheimer's and his estranged wife is doing time in jail for defrauding investors out of half a million bucks - ruined his and the firm's rep!
O holy shit! O yeah, those people were spiraling uncontrollably downward.
You have good experience, Terry, and your job is not dependent on youth, in the same way that, say, being a fireman is. So you may be ok - some lawyers have the sense to want someone with experience as opposed to someone younger without as much. I wish you lived down here - I could get you interviews. Damn!
Terry C:
I'm still in penance mode, but I'll decloak long enough to say:
I'm so very sorry to hear about your job loss. I'll include you in my prayers.
trolls conveniently forget that members of his own party forced traitor Nixon to resign. this will happen again, if there any patriots in the ReNAMBLAcan party, which seems very unlikely. blue dogs or not, Dems will toss this drug-addles drunk and his pervert friends out on their asses sooner than later.
i just happened to glance back at the post, and i noted the proprietor had used the phrase "get out in front on this housing issue, and it got me wondering, actually, just how one gets out in front of a catastrophe?
just what are the dems supposed to do? write ineffectual legislation that will stay bottled up by parliamentary maneuvering until it can be vetoed?
what kind of legislation?
new mexico tried to get a handle on pay-day loans this year, and theough they seem to have passed something, it remains to be seen if 1) it is practicable and 2) enforceable?
how are Democrats gonna REVERSE the last 25 years of predatory commerce?
anybody>?
"Peace Through Strength," "al-Qaida Appeasers On Parade" and "We Are At War, Liberals Root For the Enemy."
TRANSLATION:
Hate, fear, bigotry, stupidity, ignorance.
The grand marshall for today's parade here in St. Paul?
...
Zap Rowsdower, Dreamboat
I was just in your neck of the woods last weekend--went to see Scissor Sisters perform at Myth in Maplewood.
Random thought: If all the folks who have been laid off recently during this "boom" actually got together to share their stories and plan action, imagine the power that could be unleashed.
We are atomized into consumption units and made to feel isolated and powerless, making it easier for the political system to ignore the worker and reward these destroyers of livelihood.
And here's an interesting discussion of one way that get atomized into such units and made to feel isolated.
wgg - I took it to read to make sure the Dems let everyone know it is a debacle of Republic making, not the Dems fault.
how are Democrats gonna REVERSE the last 25 years of predatory commerce?
anybody>?
WoodyG'sGuitar, rogue scholar | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 11:57 am | #
We can't, everyone is going to have to learn to be happy with less.
You have good experience, Terry, and your job is not dependent on youth, in the same way that, say, being a fireman is. So you may be ok - some lawyers have the sense to want someone with experience as opposed to someone younger without as much. I wish you lived down here - I could get you interviews. Damn!
Tena
You're right - all of the ads I've answered so far DO want experience and lots of it.
Terry C:
I'm still in penance mode, but I'll decloak long enough to say:
I'm so very sorry to hear about your job loss. I'll include you in my prayers.
CowAnotherCow |
I too express my condolences.
I'm over 50, and on the "bubble" due to a corruption scandal involving my boss.
I did nothing wrong,but in the end that may not help.
Best of luck.
We are atomized into consumption units and made to feel isolated and powerless, making it easier for the political system to ignore the worker and reward these destroyers of livelihood.
anomie?
We are atomized into consumption units and made to feel isolated and powerless, making it easier for the political system to ignore the worker and reward these destroyers of livelihood.
Uncle Smokes | Homepage | 03.17.07 - 11:56 am
so what are you, some kinda fancy-schmancy neo-marxist/media ecologist/chardonnay-swilling elite liberal scholar, or some shit?
/flying monkey
http://www.zewg.net/casey/
Sweet!
It's all good!
Has anyone told the troll that members of Bush's own party are turning on him?
Terry C
Cheney's lining up a lucrative payback job in subpoena-proof Dubai, and the the Chimpster's buying an enclave in Paraguay. What do you think?
Thanks for everyones kind words.
I'm out to buy Guinness for tonight.
Peace.
new mexico tried to get a handle on pay-day loans this year, and theough they seem to have passed something, it remains to be seen if 1) it is practicable and 2) enforceable?
I really doubt that we'll see anything from the feds in regard to this anytime soon. But, it is being addressed on the state level.
We've had some fairly aggressive state AG's here for a while that go after things like this (WI companies advertise on MN tv for these kinds of companies, as they can't do business here).
Bring your car title and get a loan? Brilliant!!
Mr. Waxman follows up. (PDF)
And here's an interesting discussion of one way that get atomized into such units and made to feel isolated.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Too long to read right now, but I like what I read so far.
Will save for later--thanks, Hecate!
We are atomized into consumption units and made to feel isolated and powerless, making it easier for the political system to ignore the worker and reward these destroyers of livelihood.
Uncle Smokes
We really need to find and/or build communities. These on-line spaces are important, but we need real-life interactions: farmers markets, etc. I'm a big supporter of pubs, for lots of reasons.
I'm beginning to hope even Repugs are getting buyers' remorse.
Yesterday:
Republican A: I'm really pissed at Smith for his vote the other day. Fuming with anger.
Republican B: I think Smith is in exactly the right place....going against Bush.
What the media don't say is that there are probably about 150 war lovers there.
As opposed to thousands of anti-war people.
Terry C - End Bush's War Now
That's what struck me, and why I referred to "faux even-handedness". I did see a photo caption citing 3000 anti-war protestors, but the article itself was curiously silent about the respective numbers. Instead, it gave the impression that it was somehow a meeting between equivalent pro and anti war groups-- a draw, a standstill. Like a game of tic-tac-toe where all the squares are filled up but nobody wins.
Matt Taibbi discusses his experiences with the media's flagrant manipulation of protest march numbers in "Spanking the Donkey". His observations are consistent with the principle that the media, by and large, willingly colludes with the Hollow State's determination to glorify or ennoble warmongery, and ridicule or trivialize pacifism.
Sorry to hear about everyones misfortunes, good vibes all around.
lurk...
anomie?
ErinPDX | 03.17.07 - 12:01 pm
that was what's his face--durkheim-- the frenchman, his word...
marx called it alienation
Critical first step: restrict the scope of the GOP's bankruptcy 'reform' so that it only applies to debts incurred after the bill was passed. The most despicable aspect of the legislation was the way lenders stuffed consumers with credit, then changed the rules once they had debtors on the hook. Dems really have to demagogue the hell out of this meltdown as GOP corruption coming home to roost.
Terry C,
I had the same experience last year, and thought mid-50s would work against me. Instead it was a plus. The leadership people were more comfortable with someone with experience. Like yours, it was a knowledge-based field.
My best wishes and a shamrock your way.
I was just in your neck of the woods last weekend--went to see Scissor Sisters perform at Myth in Maplewood.
Really? I haven't been there yet (translation: not a lot of bands that play there are ones that I like). It used to be a "Just For Feet" shoestore.
BTW: The City Pages (our local Village Media weekly) just had a cover story about how effed up the city of Maplewood is.
"Mr. McCain: “Well I think it’s a combination. The guy I really respect on this is Dr. Coburn. He believes – and I was just reading the thing he wrote– that you should do what you can to encourage abstinence where there is going to be sexual activity."
I guess fundies will need to fan out to all the singles bars and spread the word.
The credit scam in America is all for the benefit of the banks and their deviant step-child "the credit card industry."
Fees and interest rates are an outrage and the agreements people sign, literally could not be understood by a professor of contract law at Harvard U.
If the Dem Congress don't undo the damage the Goopers did for their rich banker friends, it will cause another rift in the growing disparity between rich and poor.
I'm feeling depressed so I thought I'd check in with my fellow atriots.
Great idea. I feel better already. (not)
gwb:drf
Do the states' homesteading rules provide much protection?
Cheney's lining up a lucrative payback job in subpoena-proof Dubai, and the the Chimpster's buying an enclave in Paraguay. What do you think?
Dr. Wu
;lol:;lol:;lol:
Motherfuckers know they're war criminals, and they are going to be gone in a flash.
Dems really have to demagogue the hell out of this meltdown as GOP corruption coming home to roost.
vox | 03.17.07 - 12:06 pm
hard to do dat when you were complicit in the original defects...
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Most of the remaining white trash in america have irish origins.
anomie?
ErinPDX
All right! ErinPDX enhances my word knowledge. Thanks!
so what are you, some kinda fancy-schmancy neo-marxist/media ecologist/chardonnay-swilling elite liberal scholar, or some shit?
/flying monkey
WoodyG'sGuitar, rogue scholar
No, I'm a hoity-toity pre-anarchist/gravy-slurping middle-class troublemaker, combining dreams of economic democracy with monkeys flying out my ass.
Motherfuckers know they're war criminals, and they are going to be gone in a flash.
Tena
and good riddance to them, the air will be cleaner.
O and Terry C, you aren't that old!!!!!
you should do what you can to encourage abstinence where there is going to be sexual activity."
If there's going to be sexual activity, then there's not, but definition, going to be abstinence from sexual activity. McCain's batshit insane.
Most of the remaining white trash in america have irish origins.
jorg
Would you care to rephrase that?
Most of the remaining white trash in america have irish origins.
jorg
appears to be true of the Bush family
Most of the remaining white trash in america have irish origins.
jorg
appears to be true of the Bush family
The looming fiscal crisis in America has been brought on by the greed, stupidity and irresponsibility of the Gooper party, from Raygun through Bushdaddy and to the current (and worst) wastrel of them all, Bushboy!
The tax cuts for the rich, the profligate "war on terror," the expanding "defense budgets," the increased national debt, the trade deficits and the refusal to allow the IRS to crackdown on rich tax cheats, when combined with the baby boomer retirement explosion that is about to occur, bodes very, very ill for all of our financial futures!
How, exactly, do you "encourage" abstinence?
Trying to scare people for bullshit reasons isn't really "encouragement", by definition.
These people are truly nuts.
We are atomized into consumption units and made to feel isolated and powerless, making it easier for the political system to ignore the worker and reward these destroyers of livelihood.
Uncle Smokes
It makes fascism appealing.
We are atomized into consumption units and made to feel isolated and powerless, making it easier for the political system to ignore the worker and reward these destroyers of livelihood.
anomie?
ErinPDX | 03.17.07 - 12:01 pm
The politics of economic despair. When one's culture is cash, one's cultural despair a la Fritz Stern is economic. Buhbye middle class and 'upward mobility' - we hardly knew ye, archeologically speaking.
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"Metal underwear with padlocks should be encouraged wherever there are going to be genitals."
-- McCain's Batshit Twin, presidential contender
res ipsa over at RH, points us to this piece in Vanity Fair, that might leave you saying "Halliburton? Don't give me Halliburton, here's a real scary company.
Most of the remaining white trash in america have irish origins.
jorg | 03.17.07 - 12:09 pm
crofters, ya mean? the scots-irish pig-farmers? yeah, there's a lotto dat goin around...
well them and the eastern european potato-pullers, and the international gangster-class...
oh, yeah, the taco mafia, too...
From the above-linked Brokaw hacked article:
Brenda Schodt, of Chandler, said she was shocked to look up and see graphic sex acts on her television screen.
“Maybe five or 10 minutes into the show there was no volume,” Schodt said. “I thought it was the TV, but when I looked up, there were these images.”
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I assumed it was one of Brokaw's "Greatest Generation" homages, in which case I would argue that it was simply a case of one category of hard-core porn being replaced by another.
But the story said that Brokaw was doing a "health" show. Still, the above quote suggests that the viewer had actually dozed off, and was awakened by the sudden silence. (I trust it's generally accepted that sudden silence can awaken a sleeper just as effectively as sudden noise.)
No, I'm a hoity-toity pre-anarchist/gravy-slurping middle-class troublemaker, combining dreams of economic democracy with monkeys flying out my ass.
Uncle Smokes |
We should start a club.
Or a support group.
you should do what you can to encourage abstinence where there is going to be sexual activity."
Just words strung together without meaning, as far as I can tell.
(AP) - Larry King underwent vascular surgery Friday and was expected to return Monday to his CNN talk show. King, 73, was admitted to Cedars Sinai Medical Center where doctors performed carotid endarterectomy surgery, which removes plaque from the carotid artery and can restore blood flow.y of poverty.
If this was the sixties or seventies a politician would have been laughed off the stage for suggesting encouraging abstinence.
We should go back to that.
Most of the remaining white trash in america have irish origins.
jorg
In the morning,in the evening,don't we have fun?!
QL--where did you find this? Maybe you should get the info over to TPM?
http://kdka.com/video/?id=25770
It makes fascism appealing.
JR, kerosene and a match. | 03.17.07 - 12:13 pm
makes it damn near inevitable...
imho
"Larry King is doing great and he is excited to be back on the air Monday night with an interview with Sen. Barack Obama as we mark the fourth anniversary of the Iraq war," said a statement from CNN.
If this was the sixties or seventies a politician would have been laughed off the stage for suggesting encouraging abstinence.
We should go back to that.
O'Gomez |
I never left it.
King, host of "Larry King Live," underwent successful quintuple bypass heart surgery in 1987. He recently started a foundation that will cover the cost of cardiac care for about 300 uninsured patients at Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center.
crofters, ya mean? the scots-irish pig-farmers? yeah, there's a lotto dat goin around...
well them and the eastern european potato-pullers, and the international gangster-class...
oh, yeah, the taco mafia, too...
WoodyG'sGuitar
Left out the French Canadians in Maine. White trash white trash.
[smile]
you should do what you can to encourage abstinence where there is going to be sexual activity."
Chastity belts would cover the female area where there is going to some of the sexual activity.
What about lockable penis holsters?
The beauty of the animation biz is that almost all writers/story editors are considered independent, self-employed contractors so if we get laid off (or as the euphemism is "our show goes on unexpected hiatus"), we are not elligible for unemployment and we are not counted in unemployment statistics.
If, as claimed by the anti-sex folks, talking about contraception encourages sex, then talking about abstinence has the same effect.
It's a "wet paint" thing.
you should do what you can to encourage abstinence where there is going to be sexual activity."
Cock Block!
King, host of "Larry King Live," underwent successful quintuple bypass heart surgery in 1987. He recently started a foundation that will cover the cost of cardiac care for about 300 uninsured patients at Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center.
mix
gotta take care of the viewers
The beauty of the animation biz is that almost all writers/story editors are considered independent, self-employed contractors so if we get laid off (or as the euphemism is "our show goes on unexpected hiatus"), we are not elligible for unemployment and we are not counted in unemployment statistics.
Toonscribe
Well, entertainment is not "real" work anyway.
And besides, everybody in "entertainment" is filthy rich, so it doesn't matter if you work or not.
Or something like that. Right?
we are not elligible for unemployment and we are not counted in unemployment statistics.
Toonscribe | 03.17.07 - 12:17 pm
once upon a time, that'da been all ya needed to know to start a union...
try it now, an y'd never have lunch in that town again, i bet...
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you should do what you can to encourage abstinence where there is going to be sexual activity."
Wingmen should be outlawed.
The women love Larry King. He's always had a beautiful woman on his side. Must be the voice and the sharp dressing.
Left out the French Canadians in Maine. White trash white trash.
Guess what Zap is (mostly)?
/except for the Maine part
gotta take care of the viewers
ronjazz, trollcrusher
I think his trophy wife is trying to kill him.
Thousands of War Protesters Gather in D.C. for March
Counter-Demonstrations Also Planned on National Mall
This story is loaded with references to reports that the Capitol Hill steps were defaced by anti-war protesters a while back and then repeated comments about possible "defacement" of the Vietnam War memorial. No mention of whether that steps story is true, which I believe was already debunked, nor a comment from antiwar people about whether they intended to deface the memorial, other than "we like the memorial too" line.
What about lockable penis holsters?
lockjaw is no laughing matter
"If, as claimed by the anti-sex folks, talking about contraception encourages sex, then talking about abstinence has the same effect.
It's a "wet paint" thing.
Uncle Smokes"
Okay, a compromise. Allow everyone to discuss contraception, advocating the latest condoms and other methods. However, all condoms have pictures of Dobson, Robertson or Falwell on them. Figure it will be the best of both worlds. Truth, fact and total turn off. Sex will cease be practiced and humanity will fade away.
"If, as claimed by the anti-sex folks, talking about contraception encourages sex, then talking about abstinence has the same effect.
It's a "wet paint" thing.
Uncle Smokes"
Okay, a compromise. Allow everyone to discuss contraception, advocating the latest condoms and other methods. However, all condoms have pictures of Dobson, Robertson or Falwell on them. Figure it will be the best of both worlds. Truth, fact and total turn off. Sex will cease be practiced and humanity will fade away.
Guess what Zap is (mostly)?
/except for the Maine part
Zap O'Rowsdower
Read Carolyn Shute's books.
The women love Larry King. He's always had a beautiful woman on his side. Must be the voice and the sharp dressing.
mix | 03.17.07 - 12:20 pm
mebbe it's urleg, but the gossip was his breath could stop a cloud of black flies at 20 paces...
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Carolyn Chute
Gawd-Damned Vulcans are out front!!!!
They like to mess with the lady folk.
It's a "wet paint" thing.
Or a hot stove thing?
There is nothing for Dems to get in front of, in the mortgage mess. They too were the enablers and cheerleaders of the unrestrained credit machine led by the GSE's, woefull regulation and oversite, and general real estate bubble embracing.
The promise of home ownership for all sounds nicely democratic and progressive but when people with no bussiness getting credit get it, disaster is bound to strike.
Few appreciate at this stage the systematic danger we are facing. Clinton and Rubin virtually institutionalized the modern alchemy of unrestrained credit growth under the auspices of Greenspans Fed. Dems stood idly by as the Franklin Raines' FNM went out of control and he pocketed $150 million and rode off into the sunset while 1000 accountants have spent two years trying to figure out the books.
There is going to be no dividend for Dems in the comming crisis. At best politically it will be a wash, In the worst case scenario the hard violent right will come out on top.
Have you all seen the pro-blog article in the LA Times. It's mostly about Josh, but there's this:
Duncan Black, an economist who writes as Atrios on his website, Eschaton, receives hundreds of comments for almost anything he posts. Thursday morning, he posted a short note saying he would not be writing much that day as he was going to be traveling. Within the hour, 492 people posted comments on that. A political reporter at a metropolitan daily might not get that much reader response in a year.
Good thing we're always on topic!
Duncan Black, an economist who writes as Atrios on his website, Eschaton, receives hundreds of comments for almost anything he posts. Thursday morning, he posted a short note saying he would not be writing much that day as he was going to be traveling. Within the hour, 492 people posted comments on that. A political reporter at a metropolitan daily might not get that much reader response in a year.
Good thing we're always on topic!
JeffCO
O my god - we're famous. Pretty soon, people ask what I do, I'm going to say, snootily: Atrios Commenter, and they'll want my autograph!
There is going to be no dividend for Dems in the comming crisis. At best politically it will be a wash, In the worst case scenario the hard violent right will come out on top.
rapier
the same hard violent right that is gloriously fighting the Muhammadan menace? that bunch of wussies? anybody remember the French, or even American, revolutions?
Don't mention the fuck thread - L.A. is lurking.
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"A political reporter at a metropolitan daily might not get that much reader response in a year.
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Shit that is funny.
Duncan Black, an economist who writes as Atrios on his website, Eschaton, receives hundreds of comments for almost anything he posts.
LOL!!
That surely cements it. He's ceded his blog to us. We own him!!
492 people, and not one of them commented twice.
Okay, a compromise. Allow everyone to discuss contraception, advocating the latest condoms and other methods. However, all condoms have pictures of Dobson, Robertson or Falwell on them. Figure it will be the best of both worlds. Truth, fact and total turn off. Sex will cease be practiced and humanity will fade away.
EkCenTriK
Random (punny) thought: My body is a temple, and I give praise with the snake dance.
Okay, okay, I know I'm odd. Anyways...all this online chattery has got me politically pumped and it's time to translate that into tunes.
Y'all take care of your good selves.
Don't mention the fuck
motherfuck motherfuck
noige noige noige
http://www.markfiore.com/animati...tion/
gonzo.html
Animation about AGAG--pretty good.
Or just go to
mahablog.com
and read her stuff, follow her links.
Oh, hell, here's her link to Bob Geiger's Saturday cartoons. Very funny.
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/
20...artoons_17.html
O my god - we're famous. Pretty soon, people ask what I do, I'm going to say, snootily: Atrios Commenter, and they'll want my autograph!
Tena
My claim to fame will be the popularization of The Clenis™.
"O my god - we're famous. Pretty soon, people ask what I do, I'm going to say, snootily: Atrios Commenter, and they'll want my autograph!
Tena "
Time for Duncan to start selling the t-shirts again.
unrestrained credit machine led by the GSE's
All the little pieces of paper will find a home.
And besides, everybody in "entertainment" is filthy rich, so it doesn't matter if you work or not.
About 5% of the people in entertainment are filthy rich. The other 95% do it part-time. It's a very strange business. And, yes, I knew you were being snarky, but I just wanted to point out the wierdness of the entertainment biz. It shares a lot with the fast food industry as a business model.
once upon a time, that'da been all ya needed to know to start a union...
Hell, I'm already a member of two unions -- the Animation Guild (formerly the Motion Picture Screen Cartoonists union) and the Writers' Guild. At least with the Writers' Guild I've collected a few hundred bucks in foreign animation residuals since I was laid off. For some reason, the Animation Guild maintains that it is impossible and unreasonable to try to collect residuals on animation.
Uncancel my account! We're hip!
"Okay, okay, I know I'm odd."
You are not odd. I know odd. You can't handle oddness. If you were odd, you would have an odd handle like mine. Your handle does not have necessary oddness to claim being odd. Therefore, you are not odd.
So there.
Man, it has been a long week.
LOL!!
That surely cements it. He's ceded his blog to us. We own him!!
Zap O'Rowsdower
Shhhhhhhhhh --- you just now finding that out? Don't let A know -- we're trying to keep the illusion alive.
A political reporter at a metropolitan daily might not get that much reader response in a year.
If they wrote about shit people cared about, they might.
Time for Duncan to start selling the t-shirts again.
The grey turtleneck t-shirts.
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Afternoon, all.
Have I mentioned it's now been twenty-one days since the Austin Nazi(TM) posted anything new at his piece of shit blog?
Didn't stop him from showing up here all drunky last night, however.
Toonscribe, Animation Guild sounds like a version of the Musicians' Union. Toothless and useless.
My claim to fame will be the popularization of The Clenis™.
Jennifer | 03.17.07 - 12:31 pm
My claim to fam? authorship of 'fucknozzle' and 'shitwhistle'
"The grey turtleneck t-shirts."
I live in Texas, it wouldn't be a big seller in my neck of the woods.
Liberals should stop whining about their mortgages and work harder.
Liberals should stop whining about their mortgages and work harder.
auggysback
Ya idjit - I don't have a mortgage - we paid it off, two years ago, whatcha know bout that?
Aiiight. It's noon-thirty here, and I haven't had a drink yet (for better or worse).
And Zapette's friends are in town from Scotland, and I've got to clean the place for their baby shower tomorrow (they both have the same first name...cute, eh?).
And stay away from the Vulcans!!
Peace.
WE HAVE BEEN AT WAR WITH ISLAM SINCE THERE DEFEAT AT THE GATES OF VENICE BY A TIDAL WAVE OF FILTHY WATER SENT BY GOD LAMIGHTY HIMSELF HA HA HA IN YOUR EYE SINBAD - IF IM NOT MISTAKEN IT WAS THE DAGO OF VENICE WHO THANKED GOD AND CHRISSTEND THAT MIGHTHY TIDE OF JUSTICE AS TEH DIVINE WAVE AKA IL KAMICATSI DI MERDA
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Maybe I can summon Merkin, maybe not.
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Liberals should stop whining about their mortgages and work harder.
auggysback
People who live in their mother's basement shouldn't throw rocks.
Ma, the trools is out again. Lemme go see 'bout rounding 'em up.
I'd claim "freedom degrees" but I don't know how to do that TM thing.
You realize, of course, that the real losers in this case are the people whose blogs Atrios inexplicably refuses to link to. All that LA Times traffic will now not filter down to the little people. Somewhere right now someone is composing a whiny blog post complaining about it.
Liberals should stop whining about their mortgages and work harder.
auggysback
of course they should, progress is so 20th century. bring back the 80-hour work week. auggy wants the USA to be like China! typical America-hating from the fringe wingnut side.