I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Yo!
Iran will be bombed back to the stone age.
472nd!
Not only a new thread, but one I can only access through the archives. I was wondering about the comment die-off below
Departing Delta CEO refusing bonuses
By Marilyn Adams
USA Today
Turning his back on a potentially lucrative payday, Delta Air Lines CEO Gerald Grinstein said Monday that he is refusing any stock, stock options or cash when the carrier emerges from bankruptcy.
Grinstein, who has led the United States' No. 3 airline since January 2004, said he wants Delta instead to invest what he would have gotten in post-bankruptcy bonuses, to be used for scholarships and emergency hardship assistance for Delta employees, families and retirees. Under a post-bankruptcy compensation plan unveiled Monday, Grinstein could have been expected to net about $10 million, including such bonuses, over about three years.
Delta hopes to exit bankruptcy in May. Grinstein, 74, who plans to retire this summer, said it wouldn't be right to take money intended as an incentive for future executive performance.
"I'm leaving, so it doesn't fit me," he said in an interview. Besides, he said, "Corporate pay packages have gotten out of control. It has become a salary derby out there."
http://www.clarionledger.com/app.../703210344/
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Hilarious video!
Cspan3 has a historical look at global warming and politics in the 90's. They have a speech from Clinton in 1997 and Al Gore at the Kyoto meetings.
Echidne, what a hoot--and good to listen as well.
Nice laughs.
it's not fair...
WoooooHoooooo!!!!
They have a speech from Clinton in 1997 and Al Gore at the Kyoto meetings.
The Kyoto Protocols of Zion.
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from below.....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar...
aaahhh word travels quickly 
Yes, I am in the midst of packing up my worldly belongings from the beautiful state of CO and heading down to the Land Of Enchantment..
I really am looking forward to it but I really have to say, moving sucks ass (imho)
lil red ridin in tha hood | 03.31.07 - 11:05 pm | #
I get back here from making hummus and someone littered the thread below with The Gaye.
Ick.
There's a new Mexico? Hmmmm
There's a new Mexico? Hmmmm
ring tones are irritating--hysterical
this video is hysterical--especially if you've lived in Finland--the part about always losing to Sweden nailed it!
Thank you for putting this up, echidne. It actually made me a bit weepy, being reminded how much alike we all are. That choir certainly made a joyful noise!
My only complant is...YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF TERRORISTS AND YOU ARE COLD BUSTED. YOU ASSES ARE GOING TO GITMO.
That is all.
The comments about the saunas were interesting- is it common for apt bldgs to have shared saunas?
The comments about the saunas were interesting- is it common for apt bldgs to have shared saunas?
Yes, in older apartments. Newer ones have individual saunas attached to each apartment.
The defense is over and went very well.
It's over!
I'm supposed to complain...? I don't have enough time !
How's that?
The defense is over and went very well.
It's over!
YEAH! DOCTOR RORSCHACH! WELCOME BACK!
"our ancestors could have picked a sunnier place to be"
Thank you, Echidne. Good to be back.
It's over!
rorschach |
Congratulations, Doc!
Congrats, doctor.
Now, I have this pain in my back...
ahhh yes, spring break ... where a young dateless boy's fancy turns to trolling and the small issue at hand
So you're now rohr fudd? Good on you!
WoooooooHooooooooooo!!
Hooray for Doctor Rory!!!!!
Congratulations friend!
What a fine week it has been!
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The defense is over and went very well.
It's over!
Congratulations, and well done!
Thank you all.
They didn't take much time at all to deliberate, and it's listed as accepted with minor editorial revisions, pretty much the best possible outcome.
The defense is over and went very well.
It's over!
Way to Go, Rors!
Nobody said life had to be fair, cheap, safe, or make any sense.
Loki and Ares are laughing!
Cthulhu/Dormammu '08
They didn't take much time at all to deliberate, and it's listed as accepted with minor editorial revisions, pretty much the best possible outcome.
Didja go out and celebrate?
Onsay leev oddie??
How does one phonetically spell "It's not fair" in Finnish?
Nice job ror, does this give you prescriptive powers?
I sometimes appear here interested in talking movies or music, not necessarily finding a receptive crowd should there be some new threat to BushCo in hearings on C-SPAN.
Can anyone recommend a good site for such movies or music, relatively troll-free, good-natured?
If you dislike my comments, here's an opportunity to get rid of me. But give good advice or I might be back.
Trollminder | 03.31.07 - 11:29 pm | #
Spring Break is time to catch up on extra creidt assignments and to finally read War and Peace...
How does one phonetically spell "It's not fair" in Finnish?
On se neen vaarin. Roughly. It means "It is so wrong."
Didja go out and celebrate?
masculine_monica_nyc | 03.31.07 - 11:32 pm | #
Oh, yes indeed.
And one of the friends I was staying with procured some fine smokeables from a former student of his... so that was nice and relaxing.
Nobody gets through War and Peace.
~~said by Maxwell Smart when he used the book as a shield from an attacking evil agent
They didn't take much time at all to deliberate, and it's listed as accepted with minor editorial revisions, pretty much the best possible outcome.
Fuckin' A, man!
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Draco
Some guy does a film thread at Hullabaloo every weekend.
Just put up the new one.
some fine smokeables
green smoke, hmmm?
For once, i don't feel like complaining. For bush to give the hysterical radio speech he did, you know they are done. It's like the last violent burst of flopping a fish in a bucket does right before dying. Totally pointless beyond signaling the end.
It's great to have some brave dems holding these viscious assholes accountable for a change. Support 'em when they do.
Darryl Pearce | Homepage | 03.31.07 - 11:34 pm | #
I got through the 7 hour, Russian film version without any trouble...
Nobody gets through War and Peace.
~~said by Maxwell Smart when he used the book as a shield from an attacking evil agent
Darryl Pearce
Also an armour type in HōL.
Yes, shellaced Russian literature.
Actually, the "complaint choir" reminded me of one of my favorite groups: Flogging Molly.
7 hour, Russian film version
...subtitles?
Okay, there are weird things you learn following links and random things you're curious about once you're wandering around the tubes, but the fact that Eleanor Clift is Montgomery Clift's ex-sister-in-law strikes me as really odd.
...thank you, Echidne. Thanks!
Congrats ror! it is muchly deserved.
now don't write anything stooopit ...
Gore on Cspan3 speaking from Kyoto. His hair was almost all gone 10 years ago. How did he get it back?
Darryl Pearce | Homepage | 03.31.07 - 11:37 pm | #
Yes...MANY subtitles...
I have a better idea for Philip J. Schooner, CEO of Circuit City.
We take him to the woods, dress him in a loincloth, and give him a 5 minute head start.
Then the people who he laid off get to hunt down his worthless greedhead ass and do with him what they will.
Hugs, moonbats. I'm retiring for the night.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 03.31.07 - 11:40 pm |
Never shopped there, and I won't now...
Anybody harshin' on Draco is gonna have to get past me first!
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By the way, I'm sometimes awakened with odd fears, like attacked by bears, Colbertesque.
I'd awakened with flinching anxiety that Atriots might still be confusing me with the stupid obnoxious namestealer Draco. Even Incog drunk or off-meds could spot the difference
He wasn't pleased. Nor were Barry in AK or sallyh
I'm the sometimes lovelorn depressive Draco--extent of my sins. He's the other one, attempted smartass, failed
You must be so proud, rorschach! Heartiest congratulations
The defense is over and went very well.
It's over!
rorschach |
Doctor Rors!
I hope they showed you the secret handshake on the way out?
You must be so proud, rorschach! Heartiest congratulations
noblejoanie | 03.31.07 - 11:42 pm | #
I am, I suppose. Primarily it just feels rather weird to have it in my past rather than in my future.
The old man down the street is complaining about the kids being in his yard again.
Jim--Thanks for the Hullabaloo film recommendation. I visit that site and never seen anything film-fancy muvh
I hope they showed you the secret handshake on the way out?
sdf (Stu), just middling | Homepage | 03.31.07 - 11:43 pm | #
My chair and I went drinking afterwards; he showed me at the brew pub.
Man, Florida manhandled the Bruins nearly exactly the way the manhandled the Ducks.
As predicted on an earlier thread.
So, it's Ohio State and Florida in the final.
Primarily it just feels rather weird to have it in my past rather than in my future.
...well, you're an inspiration, even to old technical writers like me!
Echidne that video is great.
And you even outdid Dad: It's harder to get any whiter than Finns, isn't it?
(On the other hand, there were a suspicious number of darkhaired people in that choir. Hmmmm.)
Okay, what was the silent Russian epic I once saw? I can't google anything to jog my memory. I remember lots and lots of people on steps leading to a building.
I am, I suppose. Primarily it just feels rather weird to have it in my past rather than in my future.
That is not an insubstantial transition, it'll take time to digest it all.
But bully for you, anyhoo!
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My chair and I went drinking afterwards; he showed me at the brew pub.
rorschach |
egggssellent.
So, it's Ohio State and Florida in the final.
Go Gators!
Good luck rorschach. I never attempted the PhD deal. I soured as a TA after the MA. How's that for academy acronysms?
It took me three tries but I did get through War and Peace and I got an A on my term paper for it too. And the one for The Brothers Karimozov.
puppethead:
Battleship Potemkin.
Okay, what was the silent Russian epic I once saw? I can't google anything to jog my memory. I remember lots and lots of people on steps leading to a building.
puppethead
aleksander nyevsky?
(I have no idea if there are people on steps, but it's the onlyl silent russian epic I know of)
Cspan now has a roundtable of scientists, gore and clinton discussing global climate change. From october 1997.
Rorschach--big hugs and many beers!
The Battleship Potemkin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
The...leship_Potemkin
The scene you remember is the Odessa Steps sequence -referred to in DePalma's The Untouchables.
Yesterday I ordered my "new" computer. A 1.42 Ghz dual processor G4 Macintosh, and exchanged my old analog cable TV converter box for a new digital cable TV converter box.
For what I was paying for analog cable, US$68 a month for 80 channels, I'm now getting over 200.
So, I have something to distract me while I wait for the computer to arrive.
I don't follow college sports, just always say Go Gators automatically
They're famous for bad behavior, so I needn't pretend disappointment when they misbehave
Have they done well?
Puppethead,
Is This what you're looking for?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere...
...a good evening to you. A fine "old vine zinfidel" tonight!
Coke--->Meander.
If you're thinking of Potemkin, they are coming down the Odessa Steps, not at a building. Not exactly an epic but probably what you're thinking of.
Nevsky was actually Eisenstein's first film with sound.
The scene you remember is the Odessa Steps sequence -referred to in DePalma's The Untouchables.
Meander
I love that scene. The steps themselves are so freaking impressive it made me want to go there and see them for myself.
Darryl, why thank you!
For some reason, I'm more relaxed knowing SIL is eager to enter rehab.
Battleship Potemkin.
Meander
Awesome, yes. The scene I'm remembering is the Odessa Steps sequence. Quite an amazing scene.
I had to go to the office to do my time sheet today. Forgot to do it on Friday. Fuck, I hate it.
I'm more relaxed ...
...even at the age of 46, I like to consider myself living in the early days of a better life (to coin a phrase of something I found on the internet).
The scene you remember is the Odessa Steps sequence -referred to in DePalma's The Untouchables.
Meander | Homepage | 03.31.07 - 11:51 pm | #
I just love De Palma's film school reference to that scene in The Untouchables.
In the original, the Czarist troops cause the death of the baby cascading down the steps
De Palma remakes it so Andy Garcia, under fire, sticks out his foot at the last second, stoppng the carriage, saving the baby
De Palma steals like no other
puppethead | Homepage | 03.31.07 - 11:47 pm | #
I concur...it's Potemkin...
Alexander Nevsky is not silent...it was one of Eisenstein's few sound films...
An interesting fact:
The massacre on the steps is fictional, presumably created by Eisenstein for its dramatic venue and effect, as well as for propaganda and to demonize the Czar and the Imperial regime.[3] It is, however, based on the fact that there were widespread demonstrations in the area, sparked off by the arrival of the Potemkin in Odessa Harbour, and both the London Times and the resident British Consul reported that troops fired on the crowds with accompanying loss of life (the actual casualties are unrecorded).[citation needed] Film critic Roger Ebert writes, "That there was, in fact, no czarist massacre on the Odessa Steps scarcely diminishes the power of the scene ... It is ironic that [Eisenstein] did it so well that today the bloodshed on the Odessa steps is often referred to as if it really happened."[4]
Darryl Pearce | Homepage | 03.31.07 - 11:56 pm | #
I feel like I'm 18...I didn't feel like I was 18 when I was 18...
Here's the Odessa Steps on YouTube.
American novel. Boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy wins girl back.
French novel: Boy meets girl, then they dine.
Russian novel. Boy meets girl, neither cares. Spend 600 pages discussing it.
Russian novel. Boy meets girl, neither cares. Spend 600 pages discussing it.
JR, kerosene and a match | 03.31.07 - 11:58 pm | #
1000 pages more like....
Evening all.
Been gone for a while...
Have we been irked?
The NCAA Final will be like a matchup between the last two presidential elections........................funny, that.
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I have a movie buff friend at work who loves mob movies, but he refuses to see The Untouchables because it has Kevin Costner in it. I keep trying to convince him that it's worth seeing, to no avail. "Sean Connery! DeNiro as Al Capone?? Dude, c'mon." Nope. He won't have it.
Oh awesome, Battleship Potemkin can be downloaded from archive.org. I'll have to add it to my Apple TV library.
Buzz Bomb | 04.01.07 - 12:01 am | #
Once Upon a Time in America is a great gangster film...
The massacre on the steps is fictional,
Also the mutineers on the "Potemkin" were forced to flee across the Black Sea to Romania, where some remained, and others were returned to Russia where leaders were executed and others were imprisoned. Of course, the Revolution of 1905 as a whole had a similar fate, but it served (in Eisenstein's version) as an effective symbol of revolutionary commitment.
I love that scene. The steps themselves are so freaking impressive it made me want to go there and see them for myself.
Buzz Bomb | 03.31.07 - 11:55 pm | #
That's what Sergei Eisenstain thought. The actual carnage happened in-town, the steps offering no resistance. But a film-maker's eye couldn't resist the steps
Don't do this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_...h?
v=_uA0kbEdfwk
Steve Simels--well, my Bruins lost. I can be irked, can't I?
The NCAA Final will be like a matchup between the last two presidential elections........................funny, that.
Indeed. Not to mention, of course, also a replay of the BCS championship from this January.
Go Gators!
Draco | 04.01.07 - 12:03 am |
That scene is fabulous...Eisenstein's first film, Strike, is really good...
I love the Ivan the Terrible films...
Hi ho, Steverino!
I was just at your "guest" blog!
Checking out the story about Joel Brodsky passing away.
I got a kick out of this:
(Brodsky's daughter) said that her father loved music, but that although the Doors were the subjects of the images that made him well known, he did not particularly enjoy theirs.
Jeez! Am I the only guy who liked the Doors?
Don't do this....
Heh.
Steve Simels--well, my Bruins lost.
Sorry Sally.
I just love terrible films.
Stu, I always say, betting on the Bruins losing is generally sound policy
I just love terrible films.
My adult, autistic son has ...every Godzilla movie made.
Darryl--your son and I need to talk
Once Upon a Time in America is a great gangster film...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Oh yeah. My co-worker loves that one, as do I.
I just love terrible films.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Why is that? Why is it when some piece of crap movie I've seen 15 times comes on Showtime late at night, I end up watching the whole thing?
For 'gangster' films, for me nothing beats 'Reservoir Dogs.'
Buzz Bomb | 04.01.07 - 12:07 am | #
Leone's best, in my opinion...
...a sidetrack...
Buzz Bomb, because they're so fun and relaxing
Stu, I always say, betting on the Bruins losing is generally sound policy
Didn't use to be. And hey, they've made it to the Final Four two years in a row, a lot of teams would kill for that ...
i got a few complaitns about this place!
Jeez! Am I the only guy who liked the Doors?
dave™© | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 12:04 am | #
Dunno...I was just thinking which of those CDs I'd keep.
I guess the first two..the rest?
Under the headphones? Probably not.
Add Del Monte to the pet food recall:
As a precautionary measure, Del Monte Pet Products is voluntarily recalling select product codes of its pet treat products sold under the Jerky Treats®, Gravy Train® Beef Sticks and Pounce Meaty Morsels® brands as well as select dog snack and wet dog food products sold under private label brands. A complete list of affected brands and products is below.
The Company took this voluntary recall action immediately after learning this morning from the FDA that wheat gluten supplied to Del Monte Pet Products from a specific manufacturing facility in China contained melamine. Melamine is a substance not approved for use in food. The FDA made this finding as part of its ongoing investigation into the recent pet food recall...
No other Del Monte Pet Products treats, biscuits or wet dog food products are impacted by this recall, and no Del Monte dry cat food, dry dog food, wet cat food or pouched pet foods are subject to this voluntary recall. The affected products comprise less than one-tenth of one percent of Del Monte Pet Products’ annual pet food and pet treat production.
It does include a whole bunch of the Ol' Roy crap they sell at WalMart.
Buzz Bomb | 04.01.07 - 12:08 am | #
Because it's the only decent thing on TV, which is scary...
I guess the first two..the rest?
"L.A. Woman" is a keeper.
I am John Doh!
I'm always too late Meander
So I'll say this--Sight and Sound magazine had a fun poll a few years ago on "Who had the worst movie accent ever?"
My choice was Dick Van Dyke's Cockney in Mary Poppins. He came in second
I'd never have expected the winner--Sean Connery in The Untouchables. Brit have sharp ears for accents. Connery sounded right to me as a Chicago Irishman.
I just assumed there was some godforesaken Irish county where everyone sounded like a Scotsman with a tummyache
Okay, I just have to repeat I really liked the video Echidne put up, having watched it in fits and starts between commenting.
Jeez! Am I the only guy who liked the Doors?
dave™© | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 12:04 am | #
The Doors rule....
I am going to report you.
I am John Doh!
A historic first Space Quidditch match came to a spectacular conclusion last night as astronaut Michael Lopez-Alegria caught the Golden Snitch to give the Americans a hard fought victory over the Russians. "The Russians used brilliant strategy, but only NASA had the T2KQMU (Thunderbolt 2000 Quidditch Maneuvering Unit)," commented Lopez-Alegria, pictured above squeezing the elusive Golden Snitch in his left hand.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod...d/
ap070401.html
GravatarSteve Simels--well, my Bruins lost. I can be irked, can't I?
Yeah that sucks, I was rooting for them too, they beat my Hoosiers, afterall, in a hard fought defensive masterpiece.
But I have to favor OSU partly because they are a big ten school, and partly because Conley and Odon hail from Indianapolis, about 50 miles up the road.
If only..............and Robert Vaden....................The stuff that dreams are made of.
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L.A. Woman, the first album, and Hard Rock Cafe/Morrison Hotel are the best.
I haven't listened to the 2 albums they did without Morrison. Some say that they're pretty damn good...
Never could get into the doors.
Then again, not everyone can get into Steely Dan, whom I really enjoy.
Sallyh: For 'gangster' films, for me nothing beats 'Reservoir Dogs.'
Miller's Crossing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil...er%
27s_Crossing
Gangster film as ballet.
I used to love those old black and white "Godzilla meets...." movies. I think Godzilla meets King Kong is my favorite. I love Skull Island.
Can't remember the last time I saw one of those on TV
UNE_PuffTheMagicNegro™ | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 12:12 am | #
I don't follow sports teams anymore. Living in Chicago all those years really put me off of them, especially the Cubs and the Black Hawks...
I don't like truly bad films, they have to have some redeeming feature.
Jeez! Am I the only guy who liked the Doors?
dave™©
It was okay, but biopics don't ever really knock me out.
Gangster film as ballet.
Meander | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 12:13 am |
John Woo's The Killer is a gangster film like a ballet..
Miller's Crossing
Oh, hell yeah
JR, kerosene and a match | 04.01.07 - 12:13 am | #
The only 2 "so bad they're good" films are Plan 9 from Outer Space and Showgirls. They're both hilarious...
Never could get into the doors.
Then again, not everyone can get into Steely Dan, whom I really enjoy
I enjoy them both, my tastes tend to be all over the board.
Never could get into the doors.
Then again, not everyone can get into Steely Dan, whom I really enjoy
I enjoy them both, my tastes tend to be all over the board.
Sallyh: Then again, not everyone can get into Steely Dan, whom I really enjoy.
I want them to play Deacon Blues at my funeral.
I liked Reservoir Dogs a lot, especially the first time. Subsequent viewings, it comes across as a shallow piece of cinema. No depth at all (most of Q's work is like that).
OK, so I knew you were talking about The Doors and not The Doors.
No, I didn't. Thought we were discussing films.
Shoelimpy hates the Doors which means they must be good.
Eh, lack of depth in cinema doesn't bug me, especially in late night brain dead pieces like 'Pirhana.'
JR, you need to define 'redeeming features'
I liked Reservoir Dogs a lot, especially the first time. Subsequent viewings, it comes across as a shallow piece of cinema. No depth at all (most of Q's work is like that).
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 04.01.07 - 12:15 am | #
True, that.
Miller's Crossing is absolutely fantastic. QT isn't fit to do the Coen brothers' laundry.
...it's a good thing that time is infinite. I have a lot of songs I want played at my funeral, too!
So apparently, Saturday night's the night the Science Channel shows actual science programs.
They just had one on cosmic rays and now they're showing one on the properties of stars.
I guess they figure no one's watching...
If you liked "Resevoir Dogs", catch "City of Industry".
dave, I love those programs, and so does 4Legs.
I don't follow sports teams anymore. Living in Chicago all those years really put me off of them, especially the Cubs and the Black Hawks...
yup
The film The Doors was pretty good, but I'm sure Oliver Stone exaggerated some things...he does that a bit...
Morrison must have been the only one doing the drugs, because the other three musicians were/are so incredibly tight on their albums and live...
Thanks for the nice little pick me up before bed, Echidne. Thanks a whole lot! (walks away from computer in disgust)
Janeane--I love all of Eisenstein, a true 6-language intellectual theorist
Here's my favorite photo ever. Sergei Eisenstein on the oversized throne of the Czar, way jaunty
Get me on the throne of the Czar
Seriously...
just got the first six Doors studio albums in their expanded/remastered version.
Morrison still sounds like my dad singing in the shower....
UNE_PuffTheMagicNegro™ | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 12:18 am | #
The Bears kept with the tradition of Chicago, and lost the Superbowl. But Chicagoans were happy they just got there, that's how they are. If the team just makes the playoffs, people there are happy.
The Bulls in the 1990's were an anomaly. That never happens in Chicago, a consistent championship team...
Goodnight, princes and princesses of the blogosphere (except Echidne).
That was terrific - thanks.
Morrison still sounds like my dad singing in the shower....
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Echidne, this video is hysterical. When you buy furniture, all you get is a box of boards.
How did you find this?
I'm off for the night -- later all.
Draco | 04.01.07 - 12:19 am | #
Nice photo...
The only 2 "so bad they're good" films are Plan 9 from Outer Space and Showgirls. They're both hilarious...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Plan 9 goes without saying. I keep trying to convince people Showgirls is well worth seeing, but they usually look at me like I'm insane.
just got the first six Doors studio albums in their expanded/remastered version.
Gonna be a lot of used Doors CDs on the market soon.
just got the first six Doors studio albums in their expanded/remastered version.
Gonna be a lot of used Doors CDs on the market soon.
I forgot to add the snark mark! I was only joking about the video, Echidne. Good night to you as well.
I guess I have a fondness for the Doors because it was the first album (actually casette tape) I bought from the bargain bin. Elektra had pressed way too many albums and tapes, and they showed up at Thrifty's for $1.99 or so.
My Boy Scout troop went on a weekend campout at the Presidio in San Francisco, and a couple of the guys talked me into bringing my cassette recorder/player and that tape (which was the only one I had). So we listened to it over and over camping out above the beach near Golden Gate Bridge.
And we weren't even stoned!
Miller's Crossing
Greatest line ever:
Marcia Gay Harden: "You here to ask about my brother?"
Gabriel Byrne: "What other reason could there be for me to be here?"
MGH: "The oldest reason."
GB: "There are friendlier places to drink."
oy, tags. Sorry.
JR, you need to define 'redeeming features'
Sallyh
You know, the ones that don't take themselves seriously. Bad films that take themselves seriously are just bad.
Bad is not, BTW, a synomym for low budget.
JR, ah yes!
On that I'm in complete agreement. It's why I love Bruce Campbell films
Morrison must have been the only one doing the drugs, because the other three musicians were/are so incredibly tight on their albums and live...
You're not a musician, are you?
Ya know, I was bored by Plan 9. Bored, bored, bored. Ditto for Killer Clowns.
Buzz Bomb | 04.01.07 - 12:23 am | #
A gay friend of mine came over with some movies, and he brought Showgirls. We popped it in, and we went nuts with laughter. It's so incredibly funny.
Earlier we were hearing Doors: the End. What the hell kind of radio station plays the End on a Saturday night?
Complaints: "perfect hair forever" has moments that are arguably clever if you are familiar with a lot of anime, but mostly it is a case against total artistic freedom. As is the potentially glorious but consistently disappointing "Great Job." But the important cartoon news is Aqua Teen Hunger Force's movie late tomorrow night.
On that I'm in complete agreement. It's why I love Bruce Campbell films
Sallyh
Ah, then you own a copy of Bubba-Hotep. Brilliant film.
BTW, this site is keeping track of all the recalled pet food.
They're listing it by manufacturer, brand, and product name.
AP
baghdad • Radical cleric Muqtada Al Sadr issued a scathing attack on the United States yesterday, following one of the country’s bloodiest days, blaming Washington for Iraq’s troubles and calling for a mass demonstration on April 9 — the fourth anniversary of the fall of Baghdad.
It's why I love Bruce Campbell films
We're going to have to set up a film festival: but it'll have to include "Sean of the Dead", too!
Earlier we were hearing Doors: the End. What the hell kind of radio station plays the End on a Saturday night?
One with a DJ who's got something else he wants to do for the next ten minutes or so...
Resevoir Dogs is one of my favorite films...great writing and acting.
Steve French | 04.01.07 - 12:28 am | #
I dabble a bit, but I'm not a natural musician. But I love intricate, intense music. I usually recognize the time signatures, and I love polyrhythmic songs and structures.
On that I'm in complete agreement. It's why I love Bruce Campbell films
Sallyh
Hail to the king, baby.
They're listing it by manufacturer, brand, and product name.
dave™©
Thanks - they recalled our brand yesterday. I was in the store today trying to find something without wheat gluten in it. Harder than it sounds.
Okay. I'm not tired. The only thing I didn't like about "Showgirls" was the scene in which the best friend is raped. It really bothered me that I had been laughing and then that occured. Am I just too sensitive about it?
We're going to have to set up a film festival: but it'll have to include "Sean of the Dead", too!
Darryl Pearce
There's a new one out, Fido
The End by the Doors, Karn Evil 9 by ELP, and In-a-Gadda-da-Vida by I. Ron Butterfly...
There's a great medley...
Monica A: Buddhist For Christ! | 04.01.07 - 12:30 am | #
Don't beat yourself up....it's a really shitty movie. It's the filmmakers' fault for filming it so badly, that it made you laugh...
The Bulls in the 1990's were an anomaly. That never happens in Chicago, a consistent championship team...
That was not only an anomoly, but a fantastic thing to behold. I enjoyed that run tremendously. Wow.
However, believe me, I "get" the Chitown sportsfreak mentality, and can't help but from time to time, torment cub fans (presume that to refer to personal friends).
I have basically cut down my following of sport to one thing, IU Basketball.
Well, that and Baseball, loosely.
BTW, I happen to be a Vikings fan.
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One with a DJ who's got something else he wants to do for the next ten minutes or so...
Haven't DJ'd since college, but we all had our own catalog of "damn, I gotta pee" songs. I did a new wave show - New Order was pretty reliable for songs that clocked in between seven and nine minutes.
Thanks, Janeane.
I'm watching The 13th Warrior. One of the greatest epics ever written.
And I know many of you disagree so I say poo on you.
A gay friend of mine came over with some movies, and he brought Showgirls. We popped it in, and we went nuts with laughter. It's so incredibly funny.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
When, within the first ten minutes or so, the heroine pulled a knife on someone and then vomited, both for no discernable reason, I knew we had a classic on our hands.
Snow,
I think it's a great movie, too.
One fellow believer!
Am I just too sensitive about it?
Monica A: Buddhist For Christ! | 04.01.07 - 12:30 am |
Well, what about the thing where the slimeball boss demands fellatio, or the slimeball overboss sexually assaults prospective employees with ice?
Miazaki films I've seen an enjoyed:
Princess Mononoke
Nausicaa
Castle in the Sky
Spirited Away
Kiki's Delivery Service
My Neighbor Totoro
BTW, I happen to be a Vikings fan
Them's fightin' words...
BTW, I happen to be a Vikings fan
Them's fightin' words...
I see there's some discussion of The Doors here. I'm no particular fan
Does anyone know Nico's cover of The End? I have it on vinyl and crack up every time I hear her, already in deepest register, sing "Mother, I want to..." and then descend into even deeper bullfrog "UGHGHGHGHGH"
Plus I like the way she does the "Ride the bus" part in total arythmic dischord, only to have Eno and Cale start rocking
Funniest cover ever for me
Haven't DJ'd since college, but we all had our own catalog of "damn, I gotta pee" songs.
the only explaination for the popularity of McArthur park
March 31 1996
During a homebrew exorcism in Rhode Island, a man accidentally punctures the esophagus of his mother-in-law when he jams two pointy steel crucifixes down her throat, causing a large quantity of blood to gush out. Mario Garcia is later charged with assault with a dangerous weapon.
UNE_PuffTheMagicNegro™ | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 12:32 am | #
I moved to NYC and am now a Jets fan, a Mets fan, and a Rangers fan. Lalalalala...I'm so happy...
Cub fans are masochists...
Those Bulls championship years were cool...six in eight years...but it all fell apart so quickly...man, it was like The Beatles breaking up, they all hated each other (Jordan/Jackson vs. Krause).
Jordan should have stayed retired. He ended up looking silly when he played at Washington...
Darryl Pearce | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 12:36 am |
Miyazaki is doing Earthsea!
Thanks, Janeane.
Monica A: Buddhist For Christ! | 04.01.07 - 12:32 am | #
You're very welcome...
I'm watching The 13th Warrior. One of the greatest epics ever written.
Snow
Drinking a lot helps that movie.
Fortunately, there's the "Bad History Drinking Game"...
Cub fans are masochists...
No, like Linus in the pumpkin patch, we are faithful.
Draco | 04.01.07 - 12:37 am | #
Read about it, never heard it. The critics said it was very cryptic, even more than The Doors.
Nico was a celebrity really. She had presence, definitely, but did she really have any artistic talent?
She had a small role in La Dolce Vita...
Miyazaki is doing Earthsea!
kuyire
Actually, it was his son; it came out in Japan over the summer. I don't know if its been released over here yet.
They did a mash-up of a Wizard of Earthsea and The Farthest Shore - I don't know much else about it.
Show me the way to the next whiskey bar.
Miyazaki and Earthsea....?!
...oooo...
Drinking a lot helps that movie.
I am unable to taste the fermentation of grape or wheat.
You could drive a fleet of knorrs though the plot holes in 13th Warrior, too.
I like "Touch Me." Most people consider it the Doors' worst AM-radio-pandering schmaltz. But I happen to love goopy, string-laden 60s pop songs. Even that one.
As Al Sadr’s remarks were read in a mosque, Shiites in Baghdad loaded wooden coffins into vans and shoveled broken glass and other debris into wheelbarrows in the aftermath of a double suicide bombing at a marketplace. At least 181 people were killed or found dead on Thursday.
Lee Elia's famous tirade against Cub fans....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...h?
v=uv23pqH9iG0
bo, i've got a nice bottle of Wild Turkey and one of Balvenie.
I am unable to taste the fermentation of grape or wheat.
Snow
Great, that leaves mead!
Thailand's monarchy is without contest the most sincerely beloved in the world and in memory. The one rigid rule about travel to Thailand is that nobody, not paedos, not heroin smugglers, not the wealthiest visitor, gets away with a real or perceived slight of the Thai royal family. This was recently demonstrated in a humorous way. Surely now we will hear fairly balanced people talk about Thai barbarism and the importance of speechfreedom.
BREITBART | Submitted by: azdollarbill
"A Swiss man was jailed for 10 years Thursday for insulting Thailand's revered king by vandalising his portraits during a drunken spree."
Show me the way to the next whiskey bar.
bo | 04.01.07 - 12:40 am |
Why?
Dan, oh, don't ask why...
Why? - dan mcenroe
Don't ask.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...h? v=uv23pqH9iG0
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
every fuckin' word is true! drunk, unemployed and in the bleachers...
Those were the fuckin' days!
My fingers are crossed for that nanny ....
Dan, oh, don't ask why...
I tell you we must die
I tell you we must die
Night bats, sleep well all.
Whiskey Bar in German
Coming in late.... congratulations rorschach...what is your field? What was your thesis title?
Who was the keyboardist for the Doors? Listening to Light My Fire drives me nuts because they are behind the beat all the way through their solos.
Jim | 04.01.07 - 12:43 am | #
Absolutely spot on by Mr. Elia. This was the first time I heard the whole thing all the way through.
Team draws 3 million fans a year, and they stink it up all the time.
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bo | 04.01.07 - 12:45 am | #
Ray Manzarek...
Who was the keyboardist for the Doors?
Khalid Sheik Muhammad.
Great "the DJ's smoking a joint in the back room" songs:
"Echoes" by Pink Floyd
"Oh Well" by Fleetwood Mac
"When the Music's Over" by the Doors
Just about anything by King Crimson
I think most DJs stayed away from the full version of "In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida" after a while, though - station manager's caught on to that one.
Condolences, Sallyh 
Khalid Sheik Muhammad.
That bastard!
He killed Kenny too.
bo | 04.01.07 - 12:45 am | #
Manzarek used to play the bass parts as well on the organ. The Doors never had a full time bass player. On the later albums, they had session musicians play the bass, but live Manzarek played it on the organ. He sang occasionally too (and very well...had a bluesy voice)...
Congratulations! Do we have to call you Dr. NoCapital now?
Great "the DJ's smoking a joint in the back room" songs:
Green Grass and High Tides?
G'night, chiropterae
dave™© | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 12:47 am | #
Don't forget Karn Evil 9 by ELP and Supper's Ready by Genesis...
And all of Tales from Topographic Oceans (one of Simels's favorites)...
Green Grass and High Tides?
Man, I love that song! They played it recently on KFOG's 10@10 - hadn't heard it in ages.
OMINOUS DOMINUS CHORALA SINGINGUS IN LATINUS
WCCO-TV 4 Minneapolis | Submitted by: redrubberballs
"A Minneapolis city worker is worried about blood in the sewer system because he said, while he was cleaning the system, blood sprayed out of a hole and got all over him." ... Quote: "Blood just all over my face, in my mouth, I could taste it. It was terrible. I had it in my mouth and I kept spitting and I couldn't get rid of it."
Listening to Light My Fire drives me nuts because they are behind the beat all the way through their solos.
Manzarek was either straight or he did that intentionally.
Janeane--Nico's role in La Dolce Vita was hilarious. She was desirable at first in the limo, asked of her ethnicity. "I'm an Eskimo hahaha"
Then in the decayed palace scene, she's running around in the pilfered armor helmet and Mastraoiani calls her an idiot. She laughs
Oh, she had talent alright. You just need an ear for her gothicism. I mean the real thing, someting pagan and scary
I can picture her at a human sacrifice with her trademark immovable expression, small nod of approval
Congratulations! Do we have to call you Dr. NoCapital now?
bo | 04.01.07 - 12:48 am |
What's this? Rory make good, can't call him dim no more?
Congratulations! Do we have to call you Dr. NoCapital now?
bo | 04.01.07 - 12:48 am | #
Oh, I imagine Dr. ror will suffice.
the Sun | Submitted by: Chuck Hoffmann
"Doctor Who David Tennant loves having farting competitions in the Tardis."
Draco | 04.01.07 - 12:49 am | #
All Tomorrow's Parties is a really great song...her vocal is like a drone, but it's magnetic...
Oh, I imagine Dr. ror will suffice.
No. But congratulations.
I lament how you can't call a radio disk-jockey anymore and ask about a song that was just played on the radio.
Or perhaps "dr. rorschach, B.A., M.A., M.I.S., Ph.D."
Coming in late.... congratulations rorschach...what is your field? What was your thesis title?
Oh, I imagine Dr. ror will suffice.
Congrats Rory!
Police in northern Norway must accept being addressed as hestkuk or horse penis because a court has ruled that the expression is in daily use. Well la de fracking da...
All Tomorrow's Parties is a really great song...her vocal is like a drone, but it's magnetic...
There's a nice Nick Cave cover of that song too.
A periodic reminder--I'm legally blind and a slow reader, typist. If you've responded politely to me and think I've ignored you, that's just because I must scroll to keep up
I've offended friendlies
Coming in late.... congratulations rorschach...what is your field? What was your thesis title?
Deacon Blues | 04.01.07 - 12:53 am | #
American literature. The diss title has settled down to be: "Utopian Myopia: American Consumerism, the Cold War, and the Popular Fiction of the Long 1950s."
Congrats rory, and if you're so smaht how come you ain't a lawyer?
Ahmed is about to get the real honey!
"Utopian Fallopia: American Wingnuttism, Atlas Shrugs, and the Popular Fiction of the Long Island."
Program's Creator Is Hired to Assess It
Associated Press
Sunday, April 1, 2007; A03
The government contractor that set up a billion-dollar-a-year federal reading program for the Education Department and failed, according to the department's inspector general, to keep it free of conflicts of interest is one of the companies now evaluating the program.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...3100824_pf.html
So, you can win for losing.
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American literature.
I could never get into Faulkner.
...and that author of "World According to Garp". Ugh.
But..., I always appreciated literature placed in relation to the time... and I've rediscovered a lot of 1830's stuff.
"Utopian Myopia: American Consumerism, the Cold War, and the Popular Fiction of the Long 1950s."
Very nice indeed
Did she finish you or bring you back to life?
Program's Creator Is Hired to Assess It
Associated Press
Sunday, April 1, 2007; A03
April Fools joke, non?
Washington Irving's other stuff (aside from Sleepy Hollow) is pretty good.
...and that author of "World According to Garp". Ugh.
Heh. Well said!
Have you read Bruce Franklin's War Stars by any chance? Amazing look at nongovernmental propaganda through scifi parallelling and selling varous technological developments.
Well done, rorschach. Congrtulations.
I could never get into Faulkner.
...and that author of "World According to Garp". Ugh.
But..., I always appreciated literature placed in relation to the time... and I've rediscovered a lot of 1830's stuff.
Darryl Pearce | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 12:56 am | #
I like some Faulkner.
And I went through an intense John Irving phase, but that passed as quickly as it began.
My approach is exactly that, a Marxist approach that reads those novels in their historical context.
Henry Miller is probably my favorite American author....
rorschach, PhD... as previously and bears repeating: you're an inspiration (even to 46-year-olds with 24-year technical writing careers).
Good night, all.
Good night, Darryl. Thank you.
Henry Miller is probably my favorite American author....
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
I like Henry James.
Mr. Rorshach PhD gets a wag of the finger for turning into one of those elitist intellekshuls.
The blue bus
is calling us
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 04.01.07 - 12:58 am |
This is very interesting. We regard his work as enormously problematic and more valuable for what it fought than what it was; his nonfiction is interesting and much better than his unending did i ever tell you about the half fantasy time i nailed a redhead in broad daylight yadda yadda yadda.
and John Barth
My favorite line from Henry Miller-
My friends, on the other hand, entrenched themselves more solidly in the little ditch of understanding which they had dug for themselves. They died comfortably in their little bed of understanding, to become useful citizens of the world.
Truer words, etc.
Rorschach, I'm so thrilled for you. Welcome to the club (not a very exclusive one, admittedly); we're glad to have you.
I've a Bsc, an Msc, and a PhD.
I'm working now on Master of Time, Space and Dimension.
Favorite American author? Jackie Collins.
Richard, BS, MPH, and PhD here.
But what I really want to do is direct
Thank you, Sallyh.
I like big, long-winded writers with huge vocabularies, who can string a sentence along with pretzel syntax.
kuyire | 04.01.07 - 1:01 am | #
Steve French | 04.01.07 - 1:02 am | #
Miller's stuff reads like poetry to me. Tropic of Capricorn is especially good. His story is very interesting, but I really love his writing style...
I'm working now on Master of Time, Space and Dimension.
You're Rod Serling?
Is there an MU (magister universalis) offered anywhere?
Deacon Blues | 04.01.07 - 1:04 am | #
You ought to read the Marquis de Sade. He likes those convulted sentences...
You ought to read the Marquis de Sade. He likes those convulted sentences...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
I only buy his books for the pictures
I'm not much of a fan of Henry Miller, myself. The macho swagger was tired when Hemingway did it, tired when Miller did it, tired when Mailer did it.
Rorschach, I'm actually partial to Charlotte Perkins Gilman.
It was somewhat credible when real-life doc savage Hemingway did it, it was self-destructively honest when Miller did it, and it was long gone to seed when master poseur Mailer did it.
Deacon Blues | 04.01.07 - 1:06 am | #
He actually has a really good prose style, and a vivid imagination. And he has a sense of humour, which is nice. I was comparing de Sade vs. Rand, and de Sade won, because of the qualities I mention. Rand and de Sade can be rather dogmatic and sledgehammer like in their writings, but de Sade can actually write. Rand's characters have no sense of humour...
Congratulations, Dr. rorschach. You sweated enough for 2 doctorates, I think.
My favorite American author is Tony Snow. But that's just for fiction.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 04.01.07 - 1:08 am |
Rand's dialogues we have often said always talk like you would expect in a cult pamphlet prepared by a true believer in his basement.
I always loved when Miller rallied against the conformity and soul crushing American way of life. I felt that too. I felt the same way about Chicago that Miller felt about NYC...
It's rather ironic that I moved to NYC, and Miller hated this city which I love...
G. Hodd | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 1:08 am | #
He weaves the greatest tall tales...
Enough of this bookish chit-chat, there are more important things to discuss!
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
I appreciate a good sense of humor. Dogma leaves me cold, though I would overlook a lot for a good stylist.
Ellen Gilchrist and John Dufresne are two of my favorite contemporary writers. Dufresne especially for his humor.
I always loved when Miller rallied against the conformity and soul crushing American way of life.
Definitely making up for the problems were the very mere words "Cosmodemonic Telegraph Company."
kuyire | 04.01.07 - 1:09 am | #
I remember watching The Fountainhead, and seeing Gary Cooper has this bemused look on his face quite often. He was probably wondering "what the hell am I doing with this crap?".
Her characters spoke in platitudes, not realistic, intelligent dialogue. Her novels aren't completely without value, but they're usually overwrought and quite silly.
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are supposed to be in an adaptation of Atlas Shrugged. It might end up being a camp classic if they're not careful...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Recommendation for a good first de Sade?
The kind of stuff I actually play around with...
wave function inside a resonant cavity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0...h?
v=0rjGjgnQ7gM
Deacon Blues | 04.01.07 - 1:11 am | #
Some of de Sade's short stories are quite good, and parts of Philosophy in the Bedroom are hilarious.
Avoid The 120 Days of Sodom. It was a first draft that de Sade never properly finished. It's worth skimming through, but it's a real chore to read, as it's very repetitive...
First of all, yes, her novels are completely without value. They contribute absolutely nothing in any way. Rand is an example of how a brainless wealthy twit imagines her every word to be brilliance. Second of all Gary was a true believer who helped get the project started.
It might end up being a camp classic if they're not careful...
That would be the best possible outcome.
I read deep into Rand when I was a callow high schooler. There is great power in her style, but ultimately she's an essayist in novelist's clothing.
My approach is exactly that, a Marxist approach that reads those novels in their historical context
I resemble this kettle!
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Deacon Blues | 04.01.07 - 1:13 am | #
I would recommend the Grove Press edition of Justine, Philosophy in the Bedroom, and other writings. It has some great background on de Sade that dispels some of the myths about the man, and it contains Eugenie de Franval, an excellent short story of his. Justine is a difficult read at times, but it's still good. Philosophy is quite funny.
Complaints about what?
Ayn Rand was neither a novelist nor a philosopher. She was a tiresome ideologue.
I like de Sade's "120 Days of Sodom." It is rough and unfinished, but the very repetitiveness of it illustrates his point about sex, control, and the body very vividly, I think.
Philosophy in the Bedroom
I can see myslef blushing at the counter at Barnes & Noble paying for that title
4Legs--now that you're here, I have none.
But discontinuing Maddie's toy? Quel horreur!
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 04.01.07 - 1:14 am |
120 Days can be fully obtained with much less pain and no loss of meaning through reading Grant MOrrison's comic book, The Invisibles, which at one point becomes a condensed 120 Days of Sodom.
Casanova was an excellent writer. He is the true Atlas of Western Lit -- if there is only one western book you will read on it, but you want to "get" western culture as well as anyone, read Casanove, not the Aeneid or Shakespeare or anything else.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.01.07 - 1:15 am | #
The actual story of Atlas is quite interesting...a country without intellectuals (that sounds familiar, doesn't it?). But it's just not very good. And the ending of the novel is so silly, it's unintentionally hilarious....
I like de Sade's "120 Days of Sodom." It is rough and unfinished, but the very repetitiveness of it illustrates his point about sex, control, and the body very vividly, I think.
I don't have the academic qualifications to dispute any of this.
I've read Ayn Rand. I thought she was an ass when I was 15. I doubt that were I to reread her, her work would rise in statue in my eyes.
There is great power in her style,
Her power is that of the most mindless advertising, most effective on adolescents because it is ultimately most dependent on guillibility.
Pasolini's film, Salo or the 120 Days of Sodom, is really good. It isn't a lot of fun, and it isn't entertaining, but it's worth watching.
Criterion may be putting another edition of it out soon. They put one out in the early days of DVD, and it went out of print.
kuyire | 04.01.07 - 1:17 am | #
Cassanova was more complex than his legend says. He was almost a Renaissance man.
Fellini made a film of his life, but it wasn't well received. Fellini hated the real Cassanova, and it came out in the film...
a country without intellectuals (that sounds familiar, doesn't it?).
See, this is crap, just like Anthem. Rand never leaves hysterical shrieking at all, let alone long enough to make a fantasy real enough for sympathetic power. She was easily an inferior writer than Lovecraft.
I doubt that were I to reread her, her work would rise in statue in my eyes.
Ayup. She appeals to the naive.
So apparently, Saturday night's the night the Science Channel shows actual science programs.
They just had one on cosmic rays and now they're showing one on the properties of stars.
I guess they figure no one's watching...
Oh, no, I always watch them.
Earlier they repeated "Parallel Universe."
I've read Ayn Rand. I thought she was an ass when I was 15.
Hey - me too!
Deacon Blues, I was as naive as they come at 15. She just seemed so fucking without soul.
rorschach, congrats on your new PhD status!
What's a good first Casanova to read?
But discontinuing Maddie's toy? Quel horreur!
I guess I'll be buying feathers and rehabilitating her old ones.
The things we do for love.
I always watch them.
Earlier they repeated "Parallel Universe."
That's on now.
Jeez, I wish they'd do this more often. It's kinda nice!
Thank you, AtDH.
So Rorshacht did his dissertation defense?
Why did I think he was still writing? No one ever tells me anything.
OK, this is strange.
A Lorne Michaels/SNL infested cast movie that did not totally suck, Mean Girls, just wrapped up on TNT.
Oh, you're still here.
Congrats!! Rory.
So I think I'm going to do a "Special Edition" of that "new " live Neil Young album, where I edit it down to the first 30 seconds of each track... nothing but tuning!
Howdy, all.
Congrats, Rorschach...I was just checking in to see what happened (not that the outcome was really in doubt)!
Thanks, flg. Just flew back home from ABQ today, after defending yesterday.
4Legs, I'll trade you. I've learned more about the private lives of Mlle and SIL in the last week than any parent ever should.
SIL is serious enough that he's entering rehab on Monday for 30 days.
That's on now.
Jeez, I wish they'd do this more often. It's kinda nice!
That's a good one.
They have astronomy related shows on all the time.
I likes them.
She just seemed so fucking without soul.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.01.07 - 1:22 am |
No soul...that's absolutely right...
Tubes seem to be clogged for me tonight, can't get to YouTube.
He was almost a Renaissance man.
He was a poet, diplomat, soldier, brief tyrant of a small island, oracle, wizard, mason, priest-to-be, chemist, runner of a lottery, he contributed to operatic librettos, and more. It's a shame that people think of him only as a horny embodiment of enlightened decadence, because he was the Great Western Writer, recording everything as objectively as possible and in true objectivity making note even of his biases, like a more thorough Thucydides. VS Naipaul says something about how he catches how prostitutes in Paris took their coffee, which is unfortunately stupid in driving it back to the sex again, but there is plenty in there even without the sex to be fascinating, especially inphilosophy and religion and the portrayal of intellectual culture in Enlightenment Europe.
Thanks, Phila. I'm told it was quite a good defense, and rather felt that I was in the zone for most of it.
Thanks, flg. Just flew back home from ABQ today, after defending yesterday.
Excellent. I guess they tell you on the spot whether you flunked or not, eh?
Rorschach, you can even borrow my pink pashamina shawl on account of your new honors
Thanks, Phila. I'm told it was quite a good defense, and rather felt that I was in the zone for most of it.
Good for you!
We're proud of you.
There is great power in her style, but ultimately she's an essayist in novelist's clothing.
Deacon Blues | 04.01.07 - 1:15 am | #
"The eerie power to cloud men's minds," just like The Shadow.
4Legs, I'll trade you. I've learned more about the private lives of Mlle and SIL in the last week than any parent ever should.
Oy.
What's a good first Casanova to read?
Deacon Blues | 04.01.07 - 1:22 am |
Johns Hopkins University Press offers an unexpurgated Trask edition, two books per volume (total 8 vols 16 books) of his Life. The paperback is reasonably priced. Best to begin at the beginning but you could jump in anywhere.
Thank you, Sallyh! (I'm debating whether to buy the crazy doctoral regalia or not...)
Excellent. I guess they tell you on the spot whether you flunked or not, eh?
fourlegsgood magic kittenslave | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 1:25 am | #
Yep. They talked after my defense, and only very briefly, before passing it.
She just seemed so fucking without soul.
I think what was appealing 35 years ago was the spirit of individualism and adventure - impulses that appeal at the very start of adulthood.
Trask is the translator, excuse us.
kuyire Thanks for the advice.
Rory, walk with your cohort. I didn't want to do it, but Mlle and Monsieur insisted. (Monsieur wanted to make sure it was really over and Mlle wanted a new dress). So buy the regalia--you'll be wearing it at graduations for years to come. Every year you'll spend way too much at the dry cleaners' to wear it and every year it'll remind you of what went into it.
It's worth it.
I think what was appealing 35 years ago was the spirit of individualism and adventure - impulses that appeal at the very start of adulthood.
Deacon Blues | 04.01.07 - 1:27 am | #
I think that it'd be a serious mistake to assume that Rand has some sort of universal appeal, on any level.
Like a lot of people I know, I found her writing and her ideas as repellent at the start of adulthood as I do now.
"The eerie power to cloud men's minds," just like The Shadow.
Phila
Heh!
Deacon Blues | 04.01.07 - 1:29 am |
You will not regret it once you come to the circumspect Spaniard, or the twins (which is so glorious it doesn't matter that he likely made it up), or the sisters (ditto), or the evening spent fishing with the Turk (which Casanova himself half disbelieved), or how he joined an army, or the nun, or ... yeesh. You will not regret it.
Yep. They talked after my defense, and only very briefly, before passing it.
rorschach, PhD | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 1:27 am | #
Glad to have some good news before bed. Especially after being out on the beach on this gorgeous night...
I think that it'd be a serious mistake to assume that Rand has some sort of universal appeal, on any level...
Phila
I'll say only that it appealed to me, then. Now? No.
I think that it'd be a serious mistake to assume that Rand has some sort of universal appeal, on any level.
Absolutement! Rand's "appeal" is the same as Tucker Carlson's -- bitch was rich and had rich friends for pushing the rich party line. That's why she's still in print, not because there's anything there.
For Rorschach-
http://plush-life.blogspot.com/2...r-
rorschac.html
Rory, so you passed unqualified? Fantastic.
Sallyh--I'll probably buy it, but won't walk. I haven't even been in Albuquerque for many years, and anyway the graduation comes when I'll probably be working a lot of overtime at my job in Austin.
My chair was a little disappointed, as I am in fact his first to complete the PhD.
I'll say only that it appealed to me, then. Now? No.
Deacon Blues | 04.01.07 - 1:32 am | #
Understood. And God knows I liked plenty of stuff when I was a kid that I can't stomach now. Hell, I used to think Joy Division was pretty good...
kuyire I have to admit, eight volumes in sixteen books seems rather daunting for a first exploration. Is there a (forgive me) "Greatest Hits" volume?
Yep. They talked after my defense, and only very briefly, before passing it.
Excellent.
And yes, buy the regalia and walk for your graduation.
I'm sad every year at graduation time because I never did.
Rory, so you passed unqualified? Fantastic.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.01.07 - 1:33 am | #
Officially, "passed with minor editorial changes," which is about as good as it gets. I just have to clean it up and tack on a short conclusion.
4Legs, I kicked and screamed, but I'm glad I complied with familial demands. It really is emotional to have your advisor tie your hood on.
And, I was drunk as a skunk by the time it was our turn
BTW, I always hated Rand. Couldn't even get 20 pages into Atlas Shrugged.
Ah, Finland. A place I ought to live, because at least they still have fucking winters, and summer doesn't begin in March.
Surprsingly, the stuff I liked when I was young I still do. It isn't nostalgia, but I just think it's still good.
I remember reading A Seperate Peace in high school, and hating it. I remember reading Native Son, and loving it. I read Johnny Got His Gun, which I loved. Still love them. I read Atlas about 10 years ago, and it was interesting for a bit, but then I skimmed over the last third of the book, including Galt's speech, that went on for 60 pages or so...
So I guess Rory is gonna have to be a perfessor now?
My favorite books (for those who are interested)...
The Magic Mountain
Tropic of Capricorn
Under the Volcano
Crime and Punishment
Death in Venice
Johnny Got His Gun
I had The Fountainhead once, but I tossed it.
flg--
We shall see about that...
4Legs, I think Rory will be an excellent professor.
Rory -- you good?
Had fingers etc. crossed...
RE: Ayn Rand.
I'll repeat something I posted here a while ago, that convinced me that Rand was shit in a human skin.
WAY BACK WHEN, during a Ford Hall Forum broadcast in Boston, Rand was addressing the faithful and said the folowing:
"If you wish to waste your time and money helping the handicapped, well, we will not stop you."
Thunderous applause and cheering!
The utter contempt and loathing that dripped from every syllable of "handicapped", the disdain for the untermensch, the 'life unworthy of life' she revealed in that one phrase, summed up the whole Objectivist/Libertarian philosophy:
"I got mine. Fuck You!"
Yep, Thers. It went swimmingly. All is well.
My favorite author isn't American; it's Terry Pratchett. Discworld often feels like a more rational place than the one we're currently inhabiting.
Well done, rorschach.
Next, the monograph.
("And then the spanking...")
Surprsingly, the stuff I liked when I was young I still do. It isn't nostalgia, but I just think it's still good.
It depends, for me. I loved Tove Jansson and PK Dick when I was 11, and still do. I loved "A Wrinkle in Time" back then, and now I think it's utterly pompous trash.
There are only a few bands I liked between 12 and 20 that I can still stomach. Some movies I like more, some I like less. It really depends...
Rory -- you good?
Had fingers etc. crossed...
Thers, see here:
http://plush-life.blogspot.com/2...r-
rorschac.html
When I was a student at the Vrije Universiteit Brussel, a group of us took a weekend trip to Paris. We were at a cheap bistro drinking and the table next to us was erupting into song. Now between our members we had folks who spoke French, German, Ghanian, Italian, Czech, Flamand, Dutch, and Spanish and none of us could figure out what language they were singing in. Finally I had enough beers under my belt and I approached them and sure enough, they were singing in Finnish. It has closer ties to Hungarian than any other language from what I remember.
Yep, Thers. It went swimmingly. All is well.
*Celebrates in manner of end of Act 5 of Renaissance Comedy*
The traditional greeting is dispatched.
My favorite author isn't American; it's Terry Pratchett. Discworld often feels like a more rational place than the one we're currently inhabiting.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.01.07 - 1:41 am | #
"Monstrous Regiment" was my flight-home gift to myself today.
Surprsingly, the stuff I liked when I was young I still do. It isn't nostalgia, but I just think it's still good.
I read Catch-22 in high school and it still is a favorite for re-reading.
Yep, Thers. It went swimmingly. All is well.
rorschach, PhD | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 1:41 am | #
Did you have to burn the flag, or did they just let you piss on it?
*Celebrates in manner of end of Act 5 of Renaissance Comedy*
The traditional greeting is dispatched.
Thers | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 1:43 am | #
And I thank you.
Deacon Blues--agreed.
I reread 'All Quiet on the Western Front' again as an adult. It still impacted me the way it did as a teenager. Maybe more so, what with the parallels to the disaster that Bush has created.
On a teacher's advice, I read "A Wrinkle in Time" in 5th grade and couldn't make heads nor tails of it.
Did you have to burn the flag, or did they just let you piss on it?
Phila | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 1:44 am | #
First the burning, then the pissing.
The utter contempt and loathing that dripped from every syllable of "handicapped", the disdain for the untermensch, the 'life unworthy of life' she revealed in that one phrase, summed up the whole Objectivist/Libertarian philosophy:
"I got mine. Fuck You!"
Sums it all up.
The philosophy of humans determined to make themselves extinct.
Thers, by 'traditional greeting,' I'm assuming it's a glass of whiskey, no?
Heh.
I am reading the transcript of Molly Ivin's last appearance and Ben Sargent just described how Molly's description of a chicken-killing festival as a "gang pluck" got her fired from the NYTimes.
On a teacher's advice, I read "A Wrinkle in Time" in 5th grade and couldn't make heads nor tails of it.
Deacon Blues | 04.01.07 - 1:44 am | #
Wooden, dreary Christian allegory.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.01.07 - 1:44 am | #
Great novel, and great film (at least the 1930 version)...
a glass of whiskey, no?
Balvenie at the ready...
First the burning, then the pissing.
rorschach, PhD | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 1:45 am | #
Very shrewd. That's academe for ya!
Rory, Monstrous Reg is good.
One that I reread over and over is one of the early ones, The Light Fantastic. It was my introduction to Pratchett, and I still cherish it.
It's still freaking funny, too
I guess I'm a looser since I just have a B.B.A.
Janeane, I remembered it being extremely bleak on my first reading. The second read made the bleakness all the more pointed.
Wooden, dreary Christian allegory.
Putting chocolate jesus in it would have improved it greatly.
I guess I'm a looser since I just have a B.B.A.
fourlegsgood magic kittenslave | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 1:47 am | #
Well, you're no Pasty Goldstein...
Putting chocolate jesus in it would have improved it greatly.
fourlegsgood magic kittenslave | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 1:48 am | #
MMmm...sacrilicious!
Well, I guess it's April Fool's Day...
4Legs, so not true!
Degrees do not make one intelligent.
The capability to raise a particle physicist kitten is, however, a mark of genius.
Rorschach, after the burning and the pissing, where does the oral sex come in?
Well, you're no Pasty Goldstein...
(runs sobbing from the room)
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.01.07 - 1:48 am | #
Have you seen the 1930 film? It's really brilliant, considering it was made 77 years ago...
I used to admire Key Kesey but his works haven't aged with me. His appeal I think was similar to that of Rand (But with drugs , the theme of the individual against the group, which I took in the late '60s to be the true spirit of the times.
Chocolate Jesus, Chocolate Jesus,
Melting on the dashboard of my car...
Rorschach, after the burning and the pissing, where does the oral sex come in?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.01.07 - 1:49 am | #
That's up to miriam...
The capability to raise a particle physicist kitten is, however, a mark of genius.
Oh, I'm just along for the ride.
Janeane, I have. My da made me watch it as a young one. I rewatched it later on my own. Very stark.
4Legs, nonsense. Look at all the educational programs you watch with the little one.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.01.07 - 1:51 am | #
The film was a Hollywood production. There was a time when Hollywood made good films, and took big chances...
Janeane, my da liked it because, not having been in the US during WW2, he felt it was a realistic portrayal of what wars were really like.
4Legs, nonsense. Look at all the educational programs you watch with the little one.
And I did write a very nice article on the internets this week.
I had the singular experience of having to listen to my own voice while playing back the interview.
Quel horreur!! but at least I didn't sound like a complete dumbass, though I clearly have a voice made for the written word.
4Legs, I too have a voice made for silence. But unfortunately for my students, I teach, out loud.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.01.07 - 1:54 am | #
A very sad and poetic film...
Very truthful about war...
Allrightythen, getting on to sleepy times here. Nytol!
Janeane, it was very interesting to hear the stories my parents told about Belfast in the war years, and what I learned about WW2 in school...there was little resemblance between the two.
4Legs, I too have a voice made for silence. But unfortunately for my students, I teach, out loud.
Unfortunately for my minions, I yell a lot.
Well, I'm gonna turn in, as I'm exhausted (and scratched to ribbons) from clearing blackberry all day. And from taking a long walk. And drinking a bottle of wine.
Congrats again, Ror!
4Legs, I never yell (I don't have the voice designed for it). Mostly, I employ the Teacher Look(TM).
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.01.07 - 1:57 am | #
I remember that scene where the teacher is telling all the boys in his class about serving for the "glory" of the fatherland, their patriotic duty...everyone always falls for that line...
I like the scene where the boys finally get to their first depot, and meet the cynical soldiers...
Thanks, Phila, and g'night.
Janeane, I recall that scene. And then when the boys realize that it's all been a lie, that no one cares about their patriotism.
If you ask my parents what war was like, they'd say, lots of root vegetables, noise, curfews, friends and relatives coming home maimed both physically and mentally, or not at all. They were kids then, and a lot of their lives went on as kids' lives do--they attended school, played, went to the pub with their parents--and most of the fallout was really only visible after the war ended.
The Associated Press count of U.S. military deaths for the month was 81, including a soldier who died from non-combat causes Friday. Figures compiled from officials in the Iraqi ministries of Defense, Health and Interior showed the Iraqi military toll was 44. The Iraqi figures showed that 165 Iraqi police were killed in March. Many of the police serve in paramilitary units.
At least 83 American forces died in January and 80 in February, according to the AP tabulation.
They were kids then, and a lot of their lives went on as kids' lives do--they attended school, played, went to the pub with their parents--and most of the fallout was really only visible after the war ended.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.01.07 - 2:02 am | #
War is like that. The entire country is not necessarily ravaged, but that doesn't mean the war isn't there. Jim Schuto of ABC was reporting from the first days of the occupation of Iraq, and kept saying "shops are open, people are going to school, people are driving". The tone of his voice made it sound like he was surprised, and that everything was just peachy. The whole country is never a warzone, but a lot of it is. Some of it is hidden.
Someone should have told him
"life still goes on during wartime, Jim". But then, he's an MSM reporter, so he doesn't know too much about life...
dditionally, the Iraqi ministry figures listed 1,872 Iraqi civilian deaths for the month, about 300 more than the AP tabulation, which is mainly gathered from daily police reports nationwide.
The civilian death toll for the month was down significantly from 2,172 in December, the highest month casualty figure since the AP began keeping records of civilian deaths in April 2005.
However, the number of civilians killed in March was in the same range as for the first two months of this year; 1,604 in January and 1,552 in February, according to the AP count.
Nearly a third of the Iraqi civilian deaths, more than 500 people, where killed in three big bomb attacks in the last week of the month and revenge killings of Sunni men in Tal Afar the night after a Shiite market was bomb in the northwest Iraqi city.
Another Sienfeld moment
Janeane, exactly. As I said, my parents said other than the air raid sirens and constant root vegetables, life was, for them, pretty normal. The real impact comes later.
Considering the state of Iraq and Afghanistan at this point, I shudder to think.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.01.07 - 2:11 am | #
I shudder to think too....
ALMATY, Kazakhstan, March 27 — Amid a series of idiosyncratic decrees aimed at removing traces of Soviet influence, the president of Tajikistan announced Tuesday that he had dropped the Slavic “ov” from the end of his surname and that, henceforth, the same must be done for all babies born to Tajik parents.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/
2...agewanted=print
A fuckwad by any other name blahblah.
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Janeane, I think you do raise an important point...life goes on in wartime. But it doesn't make things normal, or safe, or reasonable. Any reporters who take people going to work, school, out to eat, shopping, etc., as evidence of life being decent, is severely mistaken.
Strangely, my parents said they really didn't remember being afraid till later in the war, when they were teenagers.
Any reporters who take people going to work, school, out to eat, shopping, etc., as evidence of life being decent, is severely mistaken.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.01.07 - 2:20 am | #
Exactly. Shows that the human resources manager at ABC hired idiots...Schutto really acted like life was decent because people were out in the street. Such stupidity and naiveite...
"Monstrous Regiment" was my flight-home gift to myself today.
rorschach, PhD | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 1:43 am | #
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pretty good. i like everything by terry pratchett. i gotta say though, that my absolute favorites of his are ones that i just discovered recently. they can be found in the young readers section of your local bookstore. they are marketed as children's books, i guess, but they are really interesting. the titles are "the wee, free men", "a hat full of sky", and "wintersmith".
don't miss sundays' nyt editorial: The Rovian Era: "The Bush administration’s menacing failure to distinguish the Republican Party from the government, or the state itself, has been Karl Rove’s overarching goal." -- http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/0...ion/
01sun1.html
they finally came out and stated what we've known for years.
Getting tired...I may pop in later...
Good night, dear friends.
Janeane, I think you do raise an important point...life goes on in wartime. But it doesn't make things normal, or safe, or reasonable. Any reporters who take people going to work, school, out to eat, shopping, etc., as evidence of life being decent, is severely mistaken.
Strangely, my parents said they really didn't remember being afraid till later in the war, when they were teenagers.
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i'm sure children played in the warsaw ghetto. you would sort of miss the point if you focussed on that though.
Sorry to've missed you in ABQ, Olaf.
no problem, rorschach. sorry it was so damn cold while you were here. woody tells me you prevailed. congratulations!
no problem, rorschach. sorry it was so damn cold while you were here. woody tells me you prevailed. congratulations!
Olaf glad and big | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 2:33 am | #
It was perfect there for me, as far as the temp. It's already in the 80s some days here in Austin, and I am not ready for summer.
I did indeed prevail. Plus I ate at The Frontier, El Patio, and Manny's. And drank with my chair at a good brew pub out on I25.
no problem, Dr. rorschach. sorry it was so damn cold while you were here. woody tells me you prevailed. congratulations!
Olaf glad and big | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 2:33 am | #
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steve simels regrets the error.
Imagine this song from the Vienna Boys Choir in the days when Adolf was a regular starving artist. He would have rejected Wagner...
btw, Perfect Hair Forever's opener, sung by Widespread Panic, has a Zappa-esque homage.
rorschcach,
what's the name of the school that awarded the Phd?
so i guess now you can read "against the day".
rorschcach,
what's the name of the school that awarded the Phd?
son | 04.01.07 - 2:40 am | #
Why do you ask?
so i guess now you can read "against the day".
Olaf glad and big | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 2:41 am | #
That's my next book purchase, beyond any shadow of a doubt.
i'm about 300 pp into it. it's finally starting to come into focus. there's an interesting optical thing going on in the book, so i think that's a good way of putting it.
Freddie Mercury and his cat Delilah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m...related&
search=
It's true, Youtube has Everything.
i'm about 300 pp into it. it's finally starting to come into focus. there's an interesting optical thing going on in the book, so i think that's a good way of putting it.
Olaf glad and big | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 2:43 am | #
One thing I love about Pynchon is his historical awareness of science. Ballistics in Gravity's Rainbow, cartography in Mason & Dixon, and now apparently optics, perhaps?
I'm not sure what Miriam is more excited about. That I came back with a PhD, or that we came back with a cooler full of $70 worth of chile.
One thing I love about Pynchon is his historical awareness of science. Ballistics in Gravity's Rainbow, cartography in Mason & Dixon, and now apparently optics, perhaps?
rorschach, PhD | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 2:46 am | #
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probably not what you're thinking. it's not like newtonian opticks. but yeah.
What's the name of the school that awarded the Phd?
son
You writing a fucking book?
I'm not sure what Miriam is more excited about. That I came back with a PhD, or that we came back with a cooler full of $70 worth of chile.
rorschach, PhD | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 2:48 am | #
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she knew you would come back with a phd. the chile is a nice surprise, i"m sure.
What's the name of the school that awarded the Phd?
son
You writing a fucking book?
Dick Hertz | 04.01.07 - 2:50 am | #
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dr. rorschach should be flattered that son, a prominent internet nobody, is already doing research on his biography.
Happy April Phd's day.
Higher purpose, realized!
Awarded Rors.
What's the name of the school that awarded the Phd?
son
I think it was Screw U.
Rorsch, I detect that you were successful with regards to your dissertation. If that is the case then many congratulations. I'm not
unintelligent, but I never had much patience with the educational "system", so most of my learning I've done on my own. In addition to the degree of knowledge you have earned, I applaud the patience it takes and you must have to have gotten through.
Congrats again.
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she knew you would come back with a phd. the chile is a nice surprise, i"m sure.
Olaf glad and big | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 2:50 am | #
In fact, it was her plan and ulterior motive for going. I was just glad I could say: "Hey, I'm tired and not going shopping for a ton of chile today!"
Rorsch, I detect that you were successful with regards to your dissertation. If that is the case then many congratulations. I'm not
unintelligent, but I never had much patience with the educational "system", so most of my learning I've done on my own. In addition to the degree of knowledge you have earned, I applaud the patience it takes and you must have to have gotten through.
Congrats again.
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ARREST CHENEY BUSH NOW | 04.01.07 - 2:56 am | #
I thank you.
I have had similar troubles. This is why it was a very good move to finish my two years of coursework and then move away, so as to write my dissertation long-distance.
I work better when free. Even though the act of moving to Austin has meant writing a dissertation while working 40+ hours a week for the past five-six years.
from talking to woody, i gather that defending one's dissertation is almost a formality. you would have to give them a reason not to grant you the thing, it sounds like. and it would have to be something kind of big and i your face. like if you showed up for the defense completely drunk, and naked, and painted blue, and answered every question by humming "innagaddadavida", they might not give you the phd.
ror -- I'm happy for you, but everybody here except for me seems to know what your dissertation was about.
What was it about?
I'm watching Sledge Hammer
You're welcome. Good on ya Rorschach. You earned it.
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from talking to woody, i gather that defending one's dissertation is almost a formality. you would have to give them a reason not to grant you the thing, it sounds like. and it would have to be something kind of big and i your face. like if you showed up for the defense completely drunk, and naked, and painted blue, and answered every question by humming "innagaddadavida", they might not give you the phd.
Olaf glad and big
Not in every case. At the School Of The Americas it might earn you extra points and an upgrade.
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Oh, and give Grammy a pat for me.
Goodlooking cat.
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Green Grass and High Tides?
Jim |
Free Bird.
And Hey Jude. I used to get a cramp in one leg slow dancing to that sucker.
ror -- I'm happy for you, but everybody here except for me seems to know what your dissertation was about.
What was it about?
zut | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 3:03 am | #
The final title: "Utopian Myopia: American Consumerism, the Cold War, and the Popular Fiction of the Long 1950s." It's a Marxist approach to largely forgotten texts from the postwar era, in which (I contend) the American hegemony was utterly reshaped to convince people for the first time ever that consumption of goods is noble and necessary and patriotic.
ALMATY, Kazakhstan, March 27 — Amid a series of idiosyncratic decrees aimed at removing traces of Soviet influence, the president of Tajikistan announced Tuesday that he had dropped the Slavic “ov” from the end of his surname and that, henceforth, the same must be done for all babies born to Tajik parents.
Er, that's not Soviet influence that the Preznit of Tajikistan is trying to rid his country of.
It's Russian influence.
I'm watching Sledge Hammer
"Trust me, I know what I'm doing."
I have season one on dvd.
Olaf--
It generally is a formality (though I have known people to fail). No chair wants to have his/her protege go down in flames publically.
However, mine was less of a formality given my distance from the university for these last few years. They had good, hard, substantive questions, so it was more like a defense than a conversation. And I handled them well.
Hi Walter Neff
: wave :
"sledge hammer". i remember that show, vaguely. it was ok.
the American hegemony was utterly reshaped to convince people for the first time ever that consumption of goods is noble and necessary and patriotic
Hmmm...
I'll go along with that, but there's something more.
The absolute necessity to keep people on an economic treadmill, when we could have been rid of it forever. Which of course would mean that being wealthy was no longer important.
Which really scares the living shit out of the people at the apex of the pyramid.
Damnit
I think it's my bedtime.
the American hegemony was utterly reshaped to convince people for the first time ever that consumption of goods is noble and necessary and patriotic.
God. Remember Bush going live -- less than 36 hours after 9/11 -- and telling people that they needed to keep going about their business, and that they needed to keep spending money?
Watch your back, ror. You're pissing on Fascists. (capital F intentional.)
Of course, you already know this.
I'm moving along...
Anne Marie Martin - thank God she divorced Crichton. ca-ching!
and those legs!!!!
.
I think it's my bedtime.
Then nighty night, 4LG.
The absolute necessity to keep people on an economic treadmill, when we could have been rid of it forever. Which of course would mean that being wealthy was no longer important.
Which really scares the living shit out of the people at the apex of the pyramid.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 04.01.07 - 3:17 am | #
During the 1950s? Very much less of an issue than ever since. Economic disparities charted as very flat... (well, until one took race into account, of course).
It was a very Keynesian, liberal era, during which the economic benefits of WWII victory were spread quite liberally around, via the "GI Bill" among others.
They did miss certain opportunities. As the war ended, a bill was introduced in Congress that would have actually guaranteed a job for anyone who wanted one.
A remarkable bit of legislation, which would've reshaped America, but it failed.
Murmurings amongst the higher-ups at Rorschach's PhD comittee:
"Well, Bush's suggestion that the most important thing for citizens to do after 9/11 was to 'go shopping' would tend to support his thesis."
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God. Remember Bush going live -- less than 36 hours after 9/11 -- and telling people that they needed to keep going about their business, and that they needed to keep spending money?
The first paragraph of my diss:
On September 27, 2001, sixteen days after the first coordinated enemy strike on United States soil in memory, President George W. Bush exhorted the American people to display their defiance, telling them to, of all things, “Do your business around the country. Fly and enjoy America's great destination spots. Get down to Disney World in Florida. Take your families and enjoy life, the way we want it to be enjoyed” (“At O’Hare” par. 22). Meanwhile, American officials around the nation were chiming in to declare that the fundamental duty of all citizens in the face of this act of aggression was, in fact, to consume material goods and services. On September 21, Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York City insisted that the citizens of his city get out and show themselves to be “the best shoppers in the world” as he believed them to be (Zahn par. 6). At the same time, in Florida, the mayor of Miami-Dade County, Alex Penelas, summed up the sentiments being expressed by citing his spouse: “As my wife said, it has never been more patriotic to go shopping” (Vardy and Wattie par. 12). That the intentional killing of thousands of people in the United States would evoke as a first response a concerted effort to incite Americans to go shopping might seem surreal, but the connection between warfare and consumerism in the United States has roots stretching back at least half a century. The years following World War II, especially, cemented the bond between international aggression and consumer capitalism, giving rise to a new sort of militant consumerism as the ultimate expression of utopian vision.
During the 1950s? Very much less of an issue than ever since. Economic disparities charted as very flat... (well, until one took race into account, of course).
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i have made the point here several times that most "conservatives" in america are actually nostalgic for liberal government.
Yeah, the 50's turned into the 60's and then the 70's...
As more and more jobs shifted from actually making things to trying to convince people to buy things.
Now we're at the point where we're flipping the economic basis of consumer society upside down, by making consuming harder and harder to do on a pay as you go basis.
Orwell identified one of the key problems of industrial society: that eventually everyone will be materially equal, and that the distinctions of class become materially meaningless. Which may be good for most of us, but annihilates those at the top, who give up their status.
We can't have that....
-bamf-
Popping in briefly to say congrats to rorschach, but I'm popping right back out cos I just wandered in the door from a Type O Negative show about 40-50 miles away in Worcester and I must pass out. Bye.
-bamf-
As more and more jobs shifted from actually making things to trying to convince people to buy things.
My second chapter is about "adman novels," as popular in the 50s as Grisham's novels are today. All about those white-collar workers whose lives are given over to manufacturing desire.
A lot of gender anxieties arise from this new socioeconomic hegemony, let me tell ya.
On September 27, 2001, sixteen days after the first coordinated enemy strike on United States soil in memory, President George W. Bush exhorted the American people to display their defiance, telling them to, of all things, “Do your business around the country.
It sounds like a brilliant piece of work, ror, and not dry and somniferous at all.
Good thing you didn't depend on my memory for any of your facts and dates
Thank you, BlakNo1.
Gotcher e-mail too!
The vasy majority of self-described "Conservatives" are simply amoral criminals. They want the benefits of liberal government for themselves, but anyone whom they arbitrarily decide doesn't fit into their club, I.E. anyone different, actually liberal, opposed to globalist corporate predation, etc, they'd just love to put in the prison camps they're building for the purpose. The actual agenda of "conservatives" is totalitarian dictatorship.
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It sounds like a brilliant piece of work, ror, and not dry and somniferous at all.
Good thing you didn't depend on my memory for any of your facts and dates
zut | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 3:30 am | #
Thank you, and it was a great ice-breaker too, for my defense. I was able to say, "Literary scholars are rarely given hard and fast proof that they're right, but George W Bush handed this one to me."
The question remains:
Will my doctorate yield me an Atrios link?
"Literary scholars are rarely given hard and fast proof that they're right, but George W Bush handed this one to me."
rorschach, PhD | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 3:32 am | #
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heh. indeed.
Will my doctorate yield me an Atrios link?
Well, being in the Doctor club ain't the same as being in the kewl bloggerz club.
I guess, being an outsider looking into both.
heh. indeed.
Olaf glad and big | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 3:35 am | #
Yeah, it got a laugh from the committee as well. It was a good start.
My general distrust towards the inevitable agendas hidden in virtually all "clubs", "Societys", "Groups" etc has always put me in the Gouchean (and, it must be admitted, sometimes lonely) position of not wanting to join any club which would have me for a member. I've always valued my freedom over my need to belong, however.
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My general distrust towards the inevitable agendas hidden in virtually all "clubs", "Societys", "Groups" etc has always put me in the Gouchean (and, it must be admitted, sometimes lonely) position of not wanting to join any club which would have me for a member. I've always valued my freedom over my need to belong, however.
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ARREST CHENEY BUSH NOW | 04.01.07 - 3:40 am | #
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as a guzzista, i think i sort of know what you mean. i can't stand "bikers". my bike is way cooler than any hog.
i can't stand "bikers". my bike is way cooler than any hog.
Olaf glad and big | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 3:43 am | #
I can attest to that.
the good doctor was the appointed custodian of my italian stallion for a couple of weeks. he speaks the truth.
as a guzzista, i think i sort of know what you mean. i can't stand "bikers". my bike is way cooler than any hog.
Olaf glad and big
I have always been way into mopeds. They are quintessentially independent little vehicles, and sure enough they managed to regulate them to the hilt.
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I have always been way into mopeds. They are quintessentially independent little vehicles, and sure enough they managed to regulate them to the hilt.
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ARREST CHENEY BUSH NOW | 04.01.07 - 3:46 am | #
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i didn't know that mopeds were highly regulated. what state do you live in?
Here's the real deal in America today: if you are willing to live like a peasant in Mao's China, IE live on rice, ride a bicycle, wash your change of clothes in the river, and have a net worth of the bike and the clothes, you can enjoy your freedom. Sadly, this is not hyperbole.
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Okay, off to bed then. 2nd night sleeping as a doctor.
Thanks again, all.
unless by "regulated" you mean "not legal to operate on the interstate highway system".
In New England, at least, they regulated mopeds years ago.
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Nobody asked me, but when I was a kid you didn't need a license plate or a driver's license to operate a moped in California. At some point, that changed.
Here are the moped laws for all states:
http://moped2.org/mstates.htm
where in new england are you? i lived on cape anne back in the 80's.
No, I'm referring to liscencing, inspections, insurance, helmet laws, yadaydayada...it varies by state, but it's the same old shit; less and less actual freedom and more and more statist interference every fucking year.
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'Night, ror -- get some rest, finally.
Sleep The Sleep Of The Accredited, Rorsch.
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in a lot of states you can operate a motor vehicle with a displacement of 50 cc or less with no documentation. most mopeds fall into that category.
'Night, ror -- get some rest, finally.
zut | Homepage | 04.01.07 - 3:54 am | #
That I shall. Of course, I've been called in to work overtime tomorrow, so this respite will be brief.
Sleep The Sleep Of The Accredited, Rorsch.
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ARREST CHENEY BUSH NOW | 04.01.07 - 3:55 am | #
I will, but only if you all go see the booty.
And leave comments about how lovely Gramsci is, lest miriam poke me with a broom.
Night all.
Mmm...yeh; I'm out, too.
Good night to everyone.
in a lot of states you can operate a motor vehicle with a displacement of 50 cc or less with no documentation. most mopeds fall into that category.
Olaf glad and big
This is the theory, and used to be true, but is less and less so every year. The 50cc thing sounds nice, but in practice they have, are, or will regulate everything. There are all sorts of rules about fucking bicycles in many localities now. The problem is the mostly GOP tightass mentality which must interfere in others lives in order to cover up their own fear of themselves. This is why you find child molestors like Foley "in charge" of programs to "protect the children". They always hide behind the guise of "charity" or "protection" etcetc. What it is is a protection racket. In the US, Democrats do have some disturbing issues relating to control, but generally far less so and far less virulently than Republicans. Generally speaking Democrats tend to be oriented toward a live and let live philosophy, but the realities of our politics make for Democrats who are simply authoritarians, which is why the redo of the Orwellian Nike ad with Hillary in the place of Big Brother resonated in a big way. The real problem is that we long ago moved off of our foundational principles. The Fed corrupted our money, and endless tinkering via laws combined with the growth of beurocracy, and various powers enabled by technology, have all but eliminated the Land of The Free and the Home of The Brave that we were and still are taught we live in. Free to be subservient to tyrrany and brave enough to fight corporate oil wars is about the extent of it. I fully support our troops, which is why I believe they ought not be used as cannonfodder for fatassed gop criminals.
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New sheets.
A little backround might help the discussion on Iran-Americans(especially rightwingers)convenietly forget some things !
U.S. CIA-The 1953 coup in Iran to overthrow the democratically elected and install the Sha!
The shooting down of a commercial airliner by the USS Vincennes in 1988!
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