I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Hm.
2th!
treeplé ?
Hey!
Homer?
Tort reform!
Tort reform!
Nope, dammit!
Out at the plate, dood!
Well, it's not like cancer patients need medicine or anything.
So, Krugman may be in what?
The first step towards universal healthcare should be to require all insurers to charge everyone the same amount and not to allow them to drop anybody from their plans.
$9 million won't save your life if it's gone too far by the time you get it.
better behavior?
look at the behavior of the NYT this week: i am positive this was a planted story to get the dumbfuck rednecks to mccain's side: it worked pavlovian wonders!
just don't let it get appealed to the supremes!
I don't pay a cent for health insurance.
Just saying.
the insurance co business is to Cut Loss, aka, let the bums rot.
In truth, some kind of tort reform will probably have to be part of the package too. The malpractice insurance racket is pretty bad, too, and when the gummint takes that over, you can bet the lawsuit payouts are going to go down.
Sheesh, rub it in some MORE, Moe!
bot on scrabulous.com has worn out my patience.
Cheatin' emmeffer.
Still no conf email from facebook... must be someone's way of telling me to get busy this morning.
So, Krugman may be in what?
EschaCon 08.
Yeah, but all the Canucks come down to the States during the winter to get their health care. At least that's what my wingnut neighbor told me.
the whole insurance industry is a fuck:
you have one accident and they drop you, put you in a risk pool and you pay what they demand
with health insurance it's less common: i am also convinced that dumbfuck americans have been successfully brainwashed to not get regular care
USA! USA! USA!
"Health Net was primarily concerned with and considered its own financial interests and gave little, if any, consideration and concern for the interests of the insured," Cianchetti wrote in a 21-page ruling.
You don't say? I wonder if any other "health" insurers have the same attitude?
Injury coverage, as administered by corporate Merka. Zed.
Your corporate media spreading those telcom's innocence Fantasy -
see http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com
I don't pay a cent for health insurance.
you must not have any.
That's what I thought, I was hoping Future Administration.
i am also convinced that dumbfuck americans have been successfully brainwashed to not get regular care
Not sure what you mean by that, but that would go against their own interests. Preventitive care is a lot cheaper than paying for a major problem.
Yeah, but all the Canucks come down to the States during the winter to get their health care. At least that's what my wingnut neighbor told me.
I think he's getting his Canuckian facts a little mixed up.
How uncharacteristic for a wingnut.
I was hoping Future Administration.
Well, it's a start!
He showed up last time, walked right in off the street. We were flabbergasted.
you must not have any.
whaleshaman
I broke my wrist a few weeks ago. Went right to the emergency room, got fixed up fine. Never signed anything, and will never get a bill. I go to my family doctor about four times a year for a little troublesome thing I have (no biggie). Again, never sign anything, never see a bill.
I don't pay for health insurance for myself, but I do pay to cover my daughters... pretty reasonable, though.
I'm also not paying anything for HaloScan, which is more than it's worth.
Yeah, but all the Canucks come down to the States during the winter to get their health care. At least that's what my wingnut neighbor told me.
Why, Moe himself drove to Vermont to get his wrist set!
and this ruling is from an arbitration judge. Stuns me that an arbitration judge would slap big business with something like this.
How is an arbitration judge different?
Arbitration is for folks who won't settle, no?
I don't pay a cent for health insurance.
Sure you do. You pay taxes. Your insurers are your fellow citizens as represented by their government. It's the way it's done in civilized nations whose citizens care about each other's health and welfare and who chose not to spend trillions on weapons and warfare.
Not sure what you mean by that, but that would go against their own interests. Preventitive care is a lot cheaper than paying for a major problem.
i think you answered your own question:
brainwash and disinfomation is specifically designed to make you go against your own best interest: you make the opposite decision as you should
i need more coffee and a cookie this morning!
Actually, people here do buy insurance-- for their trips to the states. Come to think of it, I have an extended policy, through work, that covers just that.
moe: ...never see a bill.
pray, tell, what's your marvelous secret? are you really the Q of E, or a lurking dick cheney?
Arbitration is for folks who won't settle, no?
plantsman, silly | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 9:18 am
no, usually arbitration is now the alternative forced on the little people through contracts with big companies to keep disputes out of the actual legal system.
The ruling by a private arbitration judge was the first of its kind...
...and the last one that judge'll ever get to make...
I think the key words in the story are "for profit insurers."
and this ruling is from an arbitration judge. Stuns me that an arbitration judge would slap big business with something like this.
Tom - 大肚腩 | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 9:17 am | #
How is an arbitration judge different?
Molly Ivors, Blue
I'm just speculating, but I'd assume that as a "private" judge, without the tenure of an appointed judge, it would be unusual for him to come down so heavily on one side... particularly against big business.
Ah, I stand enlightened.
Sure you do. You pay taxes. Your insurers are your fellow citizens as represented by their government. It's the way it's done in civilized nations whose citizens care about each other's health and welfare and who chose not to spend trillions on weapons and warfare.
sidhraصي ذ&# | 02.23.08 - 9:18 am | #
Well, yea.
I guess my point is this: I don't understand why you have to go through the complications of "mandates" and the eight-dimensional geometries of structured insurance policies and all the rest, when you can just look two feet across your northern border and see a perfectly rational, simple system that works just fine.
no, usually arbitration is now the alternative forced on the little people through contracts with big companies to keep disputes out of the actual legal system.
Tom - 大肚腩
Ah, yes. There is that.
pray, tell, what's your marvelous secret? are you really the Q of E, or a lurking dick cheney?
whaleshaman
I live in Canada.
Arbitration is for folks who won't settle, no?
No.
Single payer health insurance is the only sane way to go.
I don't pay for health insurance for myself, but I do pay to cover my daughters... pretty reasonable, though.
i don't either, but BFD...they nickle and dime my ass (although we did just change to aetna and i am surprised that the coverage is better than unicare was)...but i get a small bill and have to copay for EVERYTHING
i would rather have higher taxes and pay more to ensure all my fellow americans were able to share in the care
ooooo, i just created a cool sloganeering:
share the care!
I live in Canada.
But you're not really Canadarian!
It's the way it's done in civilized nations whose citizens care about each other's health and welfare and who chose not to spend trillions on weapons and warfare.
Speaking of which, Prime Mofo Harper is increasing the defense budget and indexing it.
He's so fucking scummy. I hope Canadians see through the bullshit and recognize the "war on terror" for what it is -- a cash cow for the war industry.
But you're not really Canadarian!
Molly Ivors
Am too. I was born in an igloo.
you can just look two feet across your northern border and see a perfectly rational, simple system that works just fine.
simple rational...BAHAHAhahahaahahaahaha
you aren't serious? the fascists brainwash the deluded that we will become commieland, irregahdless of the truth or 'reality'
and this ruling is from an arbitration judge. Stuns me that an arbitration judge would slap big business with something like this.
It happens. But I notice the arbitrator is a retired trial judge. That usually helps.
I live in Canada.
The word's "Canadian", dude. 
Am too. I was born in an igloo.
A crack-smoking igloo!
My typical American healthcare dilemma: Not only do I have two serious chronic conditions (high blood pressure and diabetes) I also have a scabby lesion on my right hand that could be melanoma, but because I'm essentially indigent, I sit and worry and can't go to the doc to find out or get treatment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration
A crack-smoking igloo!
Seal blubber meth.
A crack-smoking igloo!
Molly Ivors
Yes. We get socialized crack here too. Commie crack.
but because I'm essentially indigent, I sit and worry and can't go to the doc to find out or get treatment.
plantsman
that is typical, but truly sad
OT, is your gravatar a brugmansia?
plantsman,
I thought the people's republic of Portland had things like public clinics?
On the one hand I get commie medicine. On the other hand I have to go out and move that pile of snow the plow just deposited at the foot of my driveway.
It happens. But I notice the arbitrator is a retired trial judge. That usually helps.
Snow (D-SC)
Retired in thesae cases doesn't necessarily mean old and wise. Lots of judges are retiring early to get in on the arbitration gravy train. They get hired by the corporations, and for some odd reason, tend to rule in their favor. Odd, that...
It is, a "Charlles Grimaldi".
I live in the Capitalistic Republic of West Linn, unfortunately.
This happened to my mother (cancelled health insurance) two years before she died. No insurer would take her and my father was left with six figure medical bills after she died.
I still have no idea how he paid them.
Bastards.
On the other hand I have to go out and move that pile of snow the plow just deposited at the foot of my driveway.
Moe Szyslak
Shit!
I have to shovel!
I nearly forgot.
Later.
I don't get commie medicine, and I still have to shovel snow. Also, my email tells me my penis is too small and unpleasing to the ladies on a daily basis.
How fair is that?
Yes. We get socialized crack here too. Commie crack.
Moe Szyslak, two-handed!
That anything like Plumber's crack?
I don't understand it either, Moe. It seems Americans have been convinced that their treasure is better spent on armies and weaponry than on public health.
Did you all see this?
Huge crowd of kids in TX marched seven miles (and shut down a highway in the process) to vote in the early primary?
Yeah, Iraq certainly bears that notion out!
" I also have a scabby lesion on my right hand that could be melanoma, but because I'm essentially indigent, I sit and worry and can't go to the doc to find out or get treatment."
do you have a free clinic nearby?
tonight is obamamania in cleveberg...
Yea, I gotta dig myself out, then head for the farmers market. See ya'all later.
My typical American healthcare dilemma: Not only do I have two serious chronic conditions (high blood pressure and diabetes) I also have a scabby lesion on my right hand that could be melanoma, but because I'm essentially indigent, I sit and worry and can't go to the doc to find out or get treatment.
plantsman, silly | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 9:26 am
Here you'd pay HK$45 (roughly US$6) to go for a clinic visit, where they'd take your blood sugar and BP and the doctor would discuss with you about any recent problems (like the skin issue) and then write you a prescription to get filled at the clinic dispensary and tell you to come back next month.
in the case of a crisis event, they rush you to the ER and you pay HK$100 (~US$13) for ambulance, ER medicine, bed for the night (not incl. dinner) if necessary, etc... and after you're stabilised, tell you to go see the clinic for a follow up a week or so later.
And I gots to go organize my precinct.
Sheets again, btw
Huge crowd of kids in TX marched seven miles (and shut down a highway in the process) to vote in the early primary?
res ipsa loquitur
Wowsers.
Wonder who organized that?
The diabetes I control with a low-priced generic sulfa, testing 3 times a day, and diet, for now. The HBP with a trio of of medicines, all off which are now available as generics. Still, making ends meet is really tough.
There prolly is a free clinic in Portland, I shall have to check.
G-d trial lawyers. Improving society with their bloodsucking ways.
G-d trial lawyers. Improving society with their bloodsucking ways.
twc
Fuck off troll
tt
that guy will never arbitrate another insurance matter. gauranteed.
Health Net was primarily concerned with and considered its own financial interests...
As it still is. The only reason they're changing policies that they vigorously defended up to the very second that the judgment went against them is that it has suddenly become too expensive to do it the old way.
Why are we belaboring the obvious? The reason for-profit insurance companies are in business is for profit.
They'll think of some other way to fleece their suckers, err, customers and keep the profits rolling in, just not this way.
This is why the Republicans' continual attack on those nasty trial lawyers just hasn't caught fire. Who else would have nailed "Health" Net?
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