HULK SMASHED
Moe!
Mo' Moe!
Mo' Mo' Moe!
Moe run!
Yes, but MoveOn was against invading Iraq, so the terrorists won.
I go down and rub the home run in to those slackers down below.
Brought to you by the letter "M"
Can't the M's have all the fun.
Don't forget O. And E. Very important, those other two.
hey moe! get yours planted?
matty
I got about half my cold weather stuff in today, the rest tomorrow. I'll post pictures in the morning.
Awesome.
Members of the patriarchy can never admit that they were wrong
The cleric says he is giving his final warning to the Iraqi government to stop working with the U.S. military against him or he will "declare an open war until liberation."
Unpossible! We're Surge-a-rific!
Heck of job Bushie, you dumbassed motherfucking asshole.
Really, how much more fucked up could we have made Iraq, only because "we could"?
I planted morning glories and moonflowers today
I guess that "defining moment" a couple of weeks back really put the fear of Gawd into Moqtada. Ya think?
Now's the time for McCane to go back to Iraq to shop for another 5 dollar rug.
FUBAR!!!
reposting from dead thread, but it is even more pertinent!
ah, the paper includes a discussion of irredentism.
now, there is a word I had to look up and it has current applications.
Dictionary:
irredentist
(ĭr'ĭ-dĕn'tĭst) pronunciation
n.
One who advocates the recovery of territory culturally or historically related to one's nation but now subject to a foreign government.
Cool, Hecate! I moved several tonnes of dirt today, and a gigantic rock as well, probably 500 pounds, I'm guessing. I'll be sore tonight.
I moved several tonnes of dirt today, and a gigantic rock as well, probably 500 pounds
HGH or steroids?
irredentist
As in Italia Irredenta, meaning Trieste, Fiume, and Trento.
leverage.
I moved several tonnes of dirt today, and a gigantic rock as well, probably 500 pounds
HGH or steroids?
mojo
Pat Robertson milk shakes.
Oh, good!
I can blogwhore on topic.
Those deadenders? Well, they have a different name for themselves, something this administration just does not get.
"Yet another astonishing sign of normalcy in Iraq."
LOL!! I never get tired of that one.
I've moved some pretty heavy rocks in my backyard. The trick is to kind of crab walk them where you need to take them. The hardest part is getting them out of the ground. I use the pick to get leverage, put smaller rocks underneath, jimmy it up to ground level.
leverage
Isn't that what Bear Stearns was using? Like 30 to 1 or something? Oh my aching bailout!
Gotta go. Later, folks.
Michael Corleone: I saw a strange thing today. Some rebels were being arrested. One of them pulled the pin on a grenade. He took himself and the captain of the command with him. Now, soldiers are paid to fight; the rebels aren't.
Hyman Roth: What does that tell you?
Michael Corleone: It means they could win.
What role can we possibly play in making up for the mess we've created there?
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"Mo' Mo' Moe!"
How d'ya like it, how d'ya like it?
I had to limb some trees to let more light in. stood on a 12' high staging with one of those telescoping pole saws. great fun, but the neck and shoulders are way sore. (and this was two days ago!)
The cleric says he is giving his final warning to the Iraqi government to stop working with the U.S. military against him or he will "declare an open war until liberation."
That sounds kind of Civil War-ish.
Huzzah! Another reason to stay!
John McCain declares al Sadr the number two man in al Qaeda.
I know it's been said before, but I wonder if we'd be able to tolerate hearing these horrific death totals every day if the victims were in our towns, or white. How can this just go on and on? Spending all your money on hate and insanity?
Change is possible:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img4...1/
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John McCain declares al Sadr the number two man in al Qaeda.
McDouchebag is one stupid son of a bitch. He's a hell of a lot dumber than the Bush Boy. Which is hard to believe, but there you are.
Not only is it a civil war, but we are taking sides in it.
Huge mistake, that always bites you in the ass.
Get ready for the USAF to repave Bazra. It will be a graveyard for a million civilians caught in the middle.
McDouchebag is one stupid son of a bitch. He's a hell of a lot dumber than the Bush Boy. Which is hard to believe, but there you are.
billy b
Plus, he isn't exactly surrounded by geniuses.
The fence being put around Sadr city have anything to do with this open war - say, like the Bordr Fence that supersedes all other laws for Chertoff? they love them some fences.
What Diane C and Suffering Succotash said.
What about occupation and the US will eventually have to leave--
doesnt McSame and the neo-cons not understand?
they are fighting history and an entire culture.
billy b, 
Your gavatar changes on the half hour. How do you do that?
hi Diane!
"perm away the bad news"-Michael O'Hanlon at the hair salon
Hecate,
Love the "Catch the Moon" post you put up.
re-HICA!
Me here w/sittenpretty.
These guys are back at home.
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I'm not so sure that this is just a civil war anymore. Moqtada al Sadr is a Shi'ite imam. The government is at least nominally Shi'ite.
I think we are right in the middle of a war of resistance against the US occupiers and the "Vichy" Iraqi government.
I want 100 more years of this.
Jeffraham Prestonian, hug her for me if you will.
bakatcha, Ruth.
Just finished reading "One Bullet Away", about a Marine Recon 1LT in Afghanistan and Iraq.
He's no dove, but is obvious from his observations that WE LOST IRAQ FROM THE GET-GO.
And we are still stuck there five years later. The mother of all clusterfucks.
I wore my DFH shirt to take a run at a conference where I was one of the speakers. The VP who hired me to talk media to the crowd, asked me what it stood for when I saw him at the end of the run.
It got a real belly laugh out of him.
"I think we are right in the middle of a war of resistance against the US occupiers and the "Vichy" Iraqi government."
Good call. This could be the beginning of a popular uprising.
I wore my DFH shirt to take a run at a conference
G/Son wears his to daycare
I think we are right in the middle of a war of resistance against the US occupiers and the "Vichy" Iraqi government.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
Which side is Iran on?
G/Son wears his to daycare
that is subversive!
Love the "Catch the Moon" post you put up.
V. glad. G/Son and i watched it, oh, about a dozen times last night. 
Which side is Iran on?
Gimlet
all of them. see McPain.
that is subversive!
Yes. Yes it is.
I'm not so sure that this is just a civil war anymore. Moqtada al Sadr is a Shi'ite imam. The government is at least nominally Shi'ite.
As I understand it, the Badrists represent a sort of old Shi'a aristocracy? Also they have much closer ties to Iran. The Sadrists are poorer, nationalist, tend to be more urban and more religious.
Meanwhile, the Awakened Sunnis are just biding their time, taking our guns and money and waiting for the two big Shi'a parties to weaken each other so they can retake Bagdad. They've been quite open about it.
Which side is Iran on?
Gimlet
That's a tough question. Clearly the Iranians would love to see the US humiliated. At the same time, Iraq had been an enemy for generations, and an unstable neighbor isn't exactly in their best interests.
The worst case scenario is that the Iranians will back the resistance just enough to drive the US out, preferably before a decent government is in place in Bagdhad, and then move their chosen leaders into power.
as to the topic of this post:
remember david brooks and plenty of others are saying the Iraq occupation will not matter to voters in November, and then they are also attacking OB for "being unrealistic" about the changing nature of the war in promising to have troops out within 16 months.
Neither Obama nor anyone else has any clue what the conditions will be like when the next president takes office. He could have responsibly said that he aims to bring the troops home but will make a judgment at the time. Instead, he rigidly locked himself into a policy that will not be fully implemented for another three years.
If Obama is elected, he will either go back on this pledge — in which case he would destroy his credibility — or he will risk genocide in the region and a viciously polarizing political war at home.
"Which side is Iran on?"
That makes it a proxy war, which is even a worse clusterfuck.
We will end up fighting Iran to and inflaming the entire Arab world.
Way to go, Captain Chimpypants.
I think we are right in the middle of a war of resistance against the US occupiers and the "Vichy" Iraqi government.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
by now, US troops must realize that *they* are the bad guys. hence the huge PTSD.
I think we are right in the middle of a war of resistance against the US occupiers and the "Vichy" Iraqi government.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
Analogy is always tricky when discussing historical events but I think this one is about as close as you can get. If I read my Juan Cole correctly, al-Sadr is far and away more of an "Iraqi nationalist" than Maliki, who besides being a US puppet is considerably cozier with the Iranian regime than his populace.
The US press of course gets this completely backwards every time they open their mouths and squawk on the subject. Their printers seem to have a macro requiring the words "Muqtada al-Sadr" to be preceded with "pro-Iranian" as well as "radical cleric."
this is one of those times I hope very hard the troops have their lines of supply/retreat secured. Because there aren't enough helicopters in Iraq to take people out off the rooftops this time.
mer: Jeffraham Prestonian, hug her for me if you will.
Mission Accomplished!
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Because there aren't enough helicopters in Iraq to take people out off the rooftops this time.
Which goes to show that we never learn.
oh, my beautiful mind!
this is one of those times I hope very hard the troops have their lines of supply/retreat secured. Because there aren't enough helicopters in Iraq to take people out off the rooftops this time.
Xan
And that is going to be the most difficult problem of all facing the next president.
this is one of those times I hope very hard the troops have their lines of supply/retreat secured. Because there aren't enough helicopters in Iraq to take people out off the rooftops this time.
Xan |
My biggest fear.
By escalating the situation now, the US will see moocho carnage and casualties as the election process here gets serious.
The Devil's Brigade is on TCM
http://imdb.com/title/tt0062886/
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"If Obama is elected, he will either go back on this pledge — in which case he would destroy his credibility (doubtful) — or he will risk genocide in the region (talking point lie) and a viciously polarizing political war at home. (we already have that now anyway)
peterboy (he likes boys' peters)
nice job puking up shit, you homo Repuke.
HULK | 04.19.08 - 4:21 pm
Chill, HULK,
he was quoting Brooks, and not in a good way.
Pay attention.
This is obviosl;y great news for the Republicans, and shows that the surge is working.
Lots more brown people will get killed, and the neo cons love that.
"this is one of those times I hope very hard the troops have their lines of supply/retreat secured."
They can't even secure the road from the airport to the green zone. After 5 years.
They're fucked.
Which goes to show that we never learn.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 4:17 pm | #
Not true. The PR war has been carried on far more consistently and message control is a lot more sophisticated than in Vietnam.
As for actual strategy and tactics, not so much learning there.
I posted a comment the other day about public figures who had clearly become mentally unhinged over the events of September 11.
Friedman ... how could I forget Friedman?
He is quite obviously nuts.
As for the current situation, the next president will need real Middle East experts, those who understand the subtleties of the social and religious waves that move the region and not swaggering, bad-ass militarists, to help us out of this mess with minimal damage.
They can't even secure the road from the airport to the green zone. After 5 years.
They're fucked.
HULK | 04.19.08 - 4:24 pm | #
You are occupying a country where you have NEVER secured any major city and where the Iranian PM can ride from the airport without an armored column, but the US embassy huddles in a bunker receiving incoming mortars. What does that tell you?
Jebus Chripes on iceskates.
Whatever happened to her?
http://www6.comcast.net/entertai.../France.Bardot/
Somebody asked upthread about the "wall" and Sadr City. This is not a wall around the city but through it, cutting it in half. The idea is that the "good" poor Shi'ia live in one part and the "bad" forces of al-Sadr are in the other, and we will "protect" the good ones from the bad ones while squeezing the latter until we can go in and "clean them out."
Unfortunately Sadr City is not a city in that sense at all but, to employ dangerous analogy again, more like Harlem would be to New York City. So imagine buildng a wall through the middle of Harlem to isolate half of it from the other half. Think of the logistics of construction to begin with. Then the daily lives of people who are already poor and may be cut off from portions of their families, their regular mosques, their accustomed marketplaces, etc. and have to pass through checkpoints to visit same.
Then picture the squeeze-and-sweep operation in the middle of this. As summer is coming on, with no detectable improvement in the jobs situation, electricity supply, food, sewage or other infrastructure. Did i mention summer is coming on?
The name "al QaQa" keeps coming to mind.
Chill, HULK
Not my fault. If you post reichwingnut crap without any indication you disagree, people will think you're a repuke troll.
Subtlety does not work in this form of text communication.
I re-read his post and it still sounds like he agrees with brooks.
Jebus Chripes on iceskates.
Whatever happened to her?
http://www6.comcast.net/entertai.../France.Bardot/
Terry C - Wingnut Hater | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 4:27 pm | #
Looks like she spent 20 years raising Pugs.
by now, US troops must realize that *they* are the bad guys. hence the huge PTSD.
gary in fl
The "bad guys" are the ones who sent them there.
I think al Sadr will prevail over Malaki and the Badrists as their support deserts to Sadr without a climatic battle.
Then all that remains are the American... er Coalition troops.
And the current equilibrium with three centers of power can't last. So I guess the US is right to force the issue before it automatically defaults to Sadr.
And the current equilibrium with three centers of power can't last. So I guess the US is right to force the issue before it automatically defaults to Sadr.
Gimlet | 04.19.08 - 4:30 pm | #
And why do we care?
Muqtada al-Sadr is dead-ender.
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Well, I'm off to the grocery store. I know better than to annoy the cats by not having food in their bowls come zero-dark-thirty.
Later, bats.
posted a comment the other day about public figures who had clearly become mentally unhinged over the events of September 11.
Friedman ... how could I forget Friedman?
He is quite obviously nuts.
That was the strangest phenomenon to watch. I'm almost the exact opposite. I can over-react on little stuff big-time, but when something serious comes down the pike I snap into reasoned, focused thinking immediately. I always assumed most people would do the same . . .
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Yes, but MoveOn was against invading Iraq, so the terrorists won.
mojo
"They" won the minute those planes hit the building on 9-11.
"They" won the minute they started in with that HATEriot Act.
This is more proof yet again that the surge was a tremendous success.
I, of course, am a critic of the Iraq war.
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Gimlet has been soaking in gin too long.
Another Repuke motherfucker.
What is the situation in the North like?
Who will the Kurds and Sunni support?
http://www6.comcast.net/entertai.../France.Bardot/
Terry C - Wingnut Hater | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 4:27 pm | #
Looks like she spent 20 years raising Pugs.
rootless-e
I LOVE Pugs - my second favorite breed (I have a Pug-Pekingese mix).
I DON't like Ms. Bardot or any of her half-assed ideas.
Not true. The PR war has been carried on far more consistently and message control is a lot more sophisticated than in Vietnam.
Not really. Took almost 2 decades before the country decided Vietnam was a clusterfuck. We went through 3 Presidents, a major series of war protests, riots and demonstrations in colleges and cities throughout the country, denunciation by everyone from hippies to RAND analyst Daniel Ellsberg to MLK Jr. his own self...and still, when the last chopper finally left Hanoi, I know a lot of people who thought we could have won.
Almost no one thinks that now, except a handful of GOP public figures. I don't think sentiment against Vietnam ever reached the levels of sentiment against this war. I also don't see any "Rambo" series of movies coming out of this war, nor even a "Deer Hunter."
Even the Pentagon has called this a "major debacle." We are so far beyond Vietnam right now, we can't even see that war anymore....
"If Obama is elected, he will either go back on this pledge — in which case he would destroy his credibility (doubtful) — or he will risk genocide in the region (talking point lie) and a viciously polarizing political war at home. (we already have that now anyway)
And we ALL know that McCain would SUCH a great choice.
The terrorists won on January 21, 2001. That's the day the Constitution was broken to make Chimpy Preznit and we stopped being the USA.
We are ALL just too fat dumb and stupid to realize it.
Or we would be fighting in the streets right now instead of blogging.
That was the strangest phenomenon to watch. I'm almost the exact opposite. I can over-react on little stuff big-time, but when something serious comes down the pike I snap into reasoned, focused thinking immediately. I always assumed most people would do the same . . .
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Sparkle Plenty
I think it was location. No one went nuts when the Murrah building in OKC went up in smoke. But attack NYC?
Made all the difference. The reaction still makes no sense. But there's the reason, methinks.
right behind you, HULK!
still, when the last chopper finally left Hanoi, I know a lot of people who thought we could have won.
Rmj, Bitter Theologist
We STILL have assholes who think we could have "won".
Mostly people who never served.
Bardot has been convicted four times for inciting racial hatred.
Guess her face aligned with her soul.
we would be fighting in the streets right now instead of blogging.
I really don't feel like being shot down like a dog.
Not true. The PR war has been carried on far more consistently and message control is a lot more sophisticated than in Vietnam.
American opinion about Vietnam at that time was still under the influence of WW2 and the thinking that we were altruistic and righteous.
I don't want to work...
I just want to bang on the drum all day...
still, when the last chopper finally left Hanoi, I know a lot of people who thought we could have won.
Rmj, Bitter Theologist
Saigon, Robert?
Afternoon, all?
Bardot's current husband is a neo-fascist.
And she was always one of these women who has to have a man around to tell her what to think, etc.
I like A Tribe Called Quest.
the thinking that we were altruistic and righteous.
Gimlet
We never were.
Ask Native Americans and the Japanese-Americans we interned.
The terrorists won on January 21, 2001. That's the day the Constitution was broken to make Chimpy Preznit and we stopped being the USA.
We are ALL just too fat dumb and stupid to realize it.
Or we would be fighting in the streets right now instead of blogging.
HULK
You dint know me then, did you?
"We STILL have assholes who think we could have "won".
Mostly people who never served."
And 100% Repuke. No Dem is that stupid, not even that Clintonista Cracker Carville.
"They" won the minute they started in with that HATEriot Act.
Terry C - Wingnut Hater | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 4:34 pm | #
the USAPATRIOT act, several hundred pages, was conceived, written, edited, debated, printed, voted, and signed in six weeks.
"We STILL have assholes who think we could have "won".
Mostly people who never served."
And 100% Repuke. No Dem is that stupid, not even that Clintonista Cracker Carville.
HULK
I'm SURE McCain thinks we "could have won."
the USAPATRIOT act, several hundred pages, was conceived, written, edited, debated, printed, voted, and signed in six weeks.
gary in fl
And the terrists won.
They "hate us for our freedoms" so let's hand over freedoms over to the government.
bin Laden himself couldn't have predicted how successful he'd be.
And 100% Repuke. No Dem is that stupid, not even that Clintonista Cracker Carville.
HULK
Wait....Bob Kerrey probably thinks "we could have won."
"the Japanese-Americans we interned."
We have the remains of one of those unconstitutional internment camps here in Colorado.
I go there every year and pay my respects. It's a solemn and eerie place.
We have the remains of one of those unconstitutional internment camps here in Colorado.
I go there every year and pay my respects. It's a solemn and eerie place.
HULK
Those were the good old days, according to Michelle Malkin.
Big Poppa got a new home
Wait....Bob Kerrey probably thinks "we could have won."
Terry C - Wingnut Hater
The concept of VietNam was at least more noble that this one. This one is just fucking insane instead of being just nuts.
The Wall Street Journal today: front page story on how swell things have been going for the middle class.
One pair of numbers only, and it's grimly hilarious. During the past eight years:
The top 1% have seen their income climb by 11%.
The bottom 99% have seen their income climb by 1%.
The GOP is essentially a conspiracy to take money from the middle and lower classes (and even the lower upper class) and give it to the very top of the income group. Yeah, I know, that makes me guilty of screeching "Class Warfare!"
See, if there's a fire, and I call the fire department, I'm guilty of arson, at least according to the wingnuts.
The concept of VietNam was at least more noble that this one. This one is just fucking insane instead of being just nuts.
DWD |
ALL wars are pretty much insane.
We are ALL just too fat dumb and stupid to realize it.
Or we would be fighting in the streets right now instead of blogging.
HULK
You dint know me then, did you?
I know that you weren't out rioting in the streets
Hi, Sallyh! How ya' doin'?
ALL wars are pretty much insane.
Terry C - Wingnut Hater
True, but some you find yourself forced into, e.g. the North in the Civil War.
So it's now "eschatonblog.com"?
He had to move everything through the Tubes, I see.
Insecure LOCs? Not enough helicoptors to evacuate?
Please - the entire MEF is practically stood down sitting on their hands, and most of the Army.
It's just a matter of giving them an appropriate mission, such as returning to their stateside bases. They could execute that with a minimum of fuss.
Sadr's just twitchy because he probably has successors nipping at his heels and the fuse is ticking.
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ALL wars are pretty much insane.
Terry C - Wingnut Hater
True, but some you find yourself forced into, e.g. the North in the Civil War.
David Derbes, ochen' pissed.
WW II.
Hitler had to be stopped.
Since then? Peh!
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
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I remember when the last chopper left Appomattox, and those brave spartans stayed behind to find the illegal mexican immigrants. Then Patton came to rescue, and Nixon crossed the Delaware to fix up things with Mao.
No argument there, Terry C.
leibniz: I remember when the last chopper left Appomattox, and those brave spartans stayed behind to find the illegal mexican immigrants. Then Patton came to rescue, and Nixon crossed the Delaware to fix up things with Mao.
Only Sarek could go to China.
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I know that you weren't out rioting in the streets
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Actually, I was on the phone to my Senator's office complaining as strongly as I could. I had already written letters demanding that they create a Constitutional Crisis.
If there HAD been anyone besides me to riot, I would been there.
Citizens have limited powers. I had contacted my elected officials often and forcefully. That is about as much as an individual could do who does not live in the seat of power.
Great video of Cathlic Priest demolishing a Faux News reporter trying to control the interview about Obama's Rev. Wright.
http://www.geekarmy.com/politica...rter-
Owned.html
Mookie's getting restless. And I bet whatever Chimpy decides to do about it will only make al-Sadr's position stronger.
"True, but some you find yourself forced into, e.g. the North in the Civil War.
David Derbes, ochen' pissed.
why not just let the South secede?
Leibniz, don't forget the turning point of the Civil War: when MacArthur dropped an H-bomb on the U.S.S. Maine.
American opinion about Vietnam at that time was still under the influence of WW2 and the thinking that we were altruistic and righteous.
Gimlet | 04.19.08 - 4:42 pm | #
During the Vietnam war, there were some real journalists who went back-country, learned things about the history and culture, spoke to other than official sources, and had a skeptical outlook towards the press conference "follies."
People at home saw unmanaged footage of death, war, civilians suffering, and soldiers coming home in boxes.
Great video of Cathlic Priest demolishing a Faux News reporter trying to control the interview about Obama's Rev. Wright.
http://www.geekarmy.com/politica...rter- Owned.html
Gimlet
Now THAT is what a priest SHOULD be.
Always glad to see someone stand up to those assholes at Faux News!
...let's not forget the unsung heroes today, like me. I cleaned two whole litter boxes just now.
why not just let the South secede?
gary in fl | 04.19.08 - 4:53 pm | #
Ever heard of the fugitive slave act?
Mookie's getting restless. And I bet whatever Chimpy decides to do about it will only make al-Sadr's position stronger.
MP
Sadr's gone for "hearts and minds" rather than intimidation and terror.
American opinion about Vietnam at that time was still under the influence of WW2
It still is. It's what Eisenhower warned us about.
why not just let the South secede?
gary in fl
Talk about a Monday monday QB!
...let's not forget the unsung heroes today, like me. I cleaned two whole litter boxes just now.
Zap Rowsdower
Shall we have Molly arrange a parade? 
Actually, I was on the phone to my Senator's office complaining as strongly as I could. I had already written letters demanding that they create a Constitutional Crisis.
If there HAD been anyone besides me to riot, I would been there.
Oh, well, sleep well tonight, dude. You wrote a letter! You made a phone call! If only someone else had been brave, you'd have been right behind them! You're as sad as the rest of us, dude, only you don't know it. You're a legend in your own mind, though.
liberation. cool. that is right in line with our ideal of "liberty." this oughtta make everyone happy.
I remember when the last chopper left Appomattox, and those brave spartans stayed behind to find the illegal mexican immigrants. Then Patton came to rescue, and Nixon crossed the Delaware to fix up things with Mao.
leibniz♘☮ | 04.19.08 - 4:51 pm |
Ah, the product of a Dayton education!
sallyh: singing backup here..WooHoo!
stupid owls!!!!!!!!
"Great video of Cathlic Priest demolishing a Faux News reporter trying to control the interview about Obama's Rev. Wright.
http://www.geekarmy.com/politica...rter-
Owned.html"
0wn3d, indeed. Dumbass thirdstring FoxNoise wannabe onair "talent".
Shorter comments by the Priest:
"Your ass. Let me hand it to you!"
why not just let the South secede?
gary in fl
In my opinion, this couldn't be allowed for two reasons. First, you would have slavery going on across the border. I don't think that would have worked long term for many reasons, and eventually it would likely have spilled over into war anyway. Then, if parts of your country can just pull out whenever they wish, the country rips itself to bits. Not good. You'll recall that the states united in the fi