HULK SMASHED
Yep.
yerp
Oh, LittlePig. You beat me.
Ill call 'em below.
Cuba is pretty much the one word answer for "why we should try talking".
fuck lord 19% nobody gives a shit for his opinion
I am not convinced that Vladimir Putin is anywhere near as total, much less as violent or wicked, a tyrant or dictator, as George W. Bush. Checks and balances such as they are seem to be in place in Russia, But I could hardly say that about this place.
And I beat mer.
Glad someone wrote about it. I posted the Parade Magazine link to the worst dictators of 2007. Bush kissed and held hands with at least one of them. Saddam Hussein was not on the list in 2001.
Damn you leibniz. I'll never be first again. I should accept it.
So what's the diff between the House of Saud and Castro?
Oh yeah. That.
Ach, Leibniz, you beat me twice!
What happened to that neat Paladin icon, the knight?
i was disappointed to hear hillary decry cuba...his hubby was close to opening shit up with them, iirc
from below
It would have been so much easier if one were a huck-a-muck and the other Hillary or Obama. We'd be having so much fun. Instead we got stuck with two good candidates. What did we do to deserve *that*.
qlª | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 5:49 pm | #
Since when did ANYTHING chimpy have to say about the world make sense?
Feh.
they're bastards, but not our bastards
exactamundo
u.s. foreign policy for the past 90 years, in 6 short words
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Maybe the paladin needed a dragon to match?
Pooty Poot!
I'm wary a 11/63, 6/68 event will be used to united Imperial Dums & Rethugs.
Same feeling I got in Spring '01.
Since when did ANYTHING chimpy have to say about the world make sense?
Feh.
fourlegsgood, gots pitchfork
NPR always leads with Presidential news. Like anybody gives a rosy rat's ass what the idiot-in-chief has to say.
Since we're one of the "bad guys" now, I'm not sure where we should start from. Depressing.
another post and you still can see duncan's big hed.'
I don't know how to take this one...
http://www.atomfilms.com/2008/ku...ction/
index.jsp
Instead we got stuck with two good candidates. What did we do to deserve *that*.
yeah it's like that brady bunch episode where one of the sons has 2 dates on the same night...what to do, what to do?
Now, if Barack takes both TX and OH it's over, mathematically, for Hillary? But if Hillary wins at least one, it remains open?
Not trying to rile up anyone, this is a serious question. I don't really have a dog in this fight, or more accurately, I have two dogs in this fight. Don't much care who it is, just that they beat the tar out of McCain or whoever.
i was disappointed to hear hillary decry cuba...his hubby was close to opening shit up with them, iirc
mogwai | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 5:51 pm | #
Hillary's campaign has gone from "Obama can't stand up to republican attacks" to actually trying the attacks - next she'll say he's in favor of compulsory gay marriage.
So what's the diff between the House of Saud and Castro?
Oh yeah. That.
MikeJ
Hell if there was oil under Cuba Castro's cock would have wore out from all the sucking it would have received.
IT makes sense to say Cuba is evil. Gitmo's in Cuba, no?
The frustrating thing is that the media plays along, designating "bad guys" as whoever the US government is designating a bad guy that week, while perpetuating the notion that the "bad guy" designation is linked to some sort of human rights badness when in fact it's just because they're bastards, but not our bastards.
Because Americans need a simple storyline. It makes them feel better without having to use any of the big brain muscles.
So what's the diff between the House of Saud and Castro?
14th century totalitarian vs 20th century totalitarian?
a style thing
.
Derbes, you mean this?
It's a leeeeeetle shocking that people don't see the problem with this bad guy thing.
OTOH maybe they do; that would account for some turnout numbers.
There ain't no good guys; there ain't no bad guys; there's just you and me and we just disagree....
Or so I've heard...
It's interesting how much more important it is these days ---because of HRC herself--- to have a first spouse who doesn't immediately nauseate most people.
Ter-AY-zuh helped sink Kerry's run as much as the choice of Edwards did.
So what's the diff between the House of Saud and Castro?
Fidel does not look fetching in a burnoose as he holds hands in a field of bluebells.
Saddam Hussein terrorized his own people.
So what's the diff between the House of Saud and Castro?
One has oil and the other doesn't?
How would history be different if JFK allowed the Joint Chiefs to conduct terrorism in the US to justify an attack on Cuba?
Would he still have been assassinated?
And the Big Dog is stinking it up now, despite the fact that his participation is not optional.
Paladin = Richard Boone, in the '60's "Have Gun. Will Travel".
Boone as a sort of ronin in the Old West. I liked it as a kid.
(insert rude remark about famous and much loved Atriot's age here.)
yeah it's like that brady bunch episode where one of the sons has 2 dates on the same night...what to do, what to do? mogwai
dress Peter up ...
For what its worth EADS (Airbus) just got a $40 billion US Govt contract for tankers.
Geez, don't we make ANYTHING in this country anymore?
Hell if there was oil under Cuba Castro's cock would have wore out from all the sucking it would have received.
LittlePig | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 5:54 pm | #
No. There'd be a 3 acre US Embassy in Havana, near the big crater.
Paladin, paladin, where do you roam?
Boone as a sort of ronin in the Old West. I liked it as a kid.
(insert rude remark about famous and much loved Atriot's age here.)
David Derbes, writin' away
I always got a kick out of "Hec Ramsey", too. Good stuff.
Why yes, yes I did. Thanks, Leibniz, I think it adds a little class to the place.
hillary's morphing into mcCain. she's gunna come out on stage tonite with her hair cut short and dyed white, cheeks packed with tortilla's. doing the robo claw.
How many of these dictators has bush been photographed with or kissed?
http://www.parade.com/dictators/.../2008/
index.jsp
America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."
Well, that would be original.
For what its worth EADS (Airbus) just got a $40 billion US Govt contract for tankers.
the cheese-eating surrender monkeys are making our military hardware now? how do you like that ratwang losers?
Geez, don't we make ANYTHING in this country anymore?
md (super) 80 | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 5:57 pm | #
EADS named Northrup Grumman of the principal subcontractor.
Gotta share the wealth to get room at the trough, or something like that.
No. There'd be a 3 acre US Embassy in Havana, near the big crater.
rootless-e, email-listed!
Oh please. They'd have found a way to make him acceptable. Oil covers a lot of sins (see Saud, House of).
I think Michelle Obama might be just offensive enough to nauseate most people.
Mrs. McCain, however, is just milfilicious.
Well, that would be original.
leibniz♘
The classics never die.
"Hec Ramsey" had this weird and very quirky premise, that a guy might be, in effect, a forensic scientist in the 1880's.
Tombstone CSI, sort of. Long before CSI existed.
And the Big Dog is stinking it up now, despite the fact that his participation is not optional.
Toby Petzold
If it bothers you so much, why don't you burn the Big Dog?
would it be too radical and disturbing to suggest that the democratic voters of ohio and texas deserve to be heard from and that we will all accept the cumulative decision of democratic primary electorate no matter which candidate wins the most votes?
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Cuba has huge offshore oil reserves.
what is it with middleaged white men, who don't get the response they want from a woman, roll their eyes.
as tweety did just now in reaction to katrina vandenheuval's point that children succeeding in school is something that all parents want -- not just the bourgeoisie.
Class? Here? How about this?
Oh please. They'd have found a way to make him acceptable. Oil covers a lot of sins (see Saud, House of).
LittlePig
If 17 of 19 hijackers had come from Cuba, it would have been an excellent opportunity to invade Venezuela.
what is it with middleaged white men, who don't get the response they want from a woman, roll their eyes.
as tweety did just now in reaction to katrina vandenheuval's point that children succeeding in school is something that all parents want -- not just the bourgeoisie.
nona | 02.29.08 - 6:01 pm
< eye roll >
I think Michelle Obama might be just offensive enough to nauseate most Villagers.
Fixed yer typo, Toby.
Class? Here? How about this?
leibniz♘☭☭&#
I like the knight's icon the best. How do you do that?
HA! barack answers hrc's fear ad with an ad of his own!
http://
tpmelectioncentral.talkin...n_a_dangero.php
what is it with middleaged white men, who don't get the response they want from a woman, roll their eyes.
misogyny?
assholistic?
dinosaur who should be buried?
the cheese-eating surrender monkeys are making our military hardware now? how do you like that ratwang losers?
25% built in Mobile, AL. Had they believed they needed to get past a Democratic candidate, it would be 25% built in (random blue state).
If 17 of 19 hijackers had come from Cuba, it would have been an excellent opportunity to invade Venezuela.
V for Virginia, home again
The next phone call you will get will be from the McCain campaign committee, asking if you would like to be his Secretary of State.
Now, if Barack takes both TX and OH it's over, mathematically, for Hillary? But if Hillary wins at least one, it remains open?
I don't think that's true.
She only has a shot if she runs the table and does it by 20 pts.
Her strategy is to damage Obama as much as possible and then insist that she's the only viable option.
what is it with middleaged white men, who don't get the response they want from a woman, roll their eyes.
The same thing that makes Hillary cackle when asked a tough question:
Frustrated Corp Whore Syndrome.
Derbes,
Well, I am on a mac, so I have an icon in the toolbar for what keyset I want (set from preferences). When I go to the icon, I can click on character set and get all kinds of nonsense.
mogwai:
yes.
HA! barack answers hrc's fear ad with an ad of his own!
http:// tpmelectioncentral.talkin...n_a_dangero.php
jdw |
Excellent! The Obama campaigners get it. Too bad Hillary didn't hire people that weren't leftovers from Estes Kefauver's campaign staff.
"HA! barack answers hrc's fear ad with an ad of his own!"
--jdw
I kinda wish he hadn't done that.
I kinda wish he hadn't done that.
mer
Why so?
Hi, FLG. I was really asking about the math of the delegate count, nothing else.
The next phone call you will get will be from the McCain campaign committee, asking if you would like to be his Secretary of State.
David Derbes, writin' away
I took a Disaster Management class in grad school and we had to do the public information officer job -- talk to a camera, get crucial information to the public. I said, "I don't want to think about how many people would have to be dead for me to be doing this job."
In the scenario you describe, John McCain and I are the only survivors.
Too bad Hillary didn't hire people that weren't leftovers from Estes Kefauver's campaign staff.
I will not stand for this slur of Estes Kefauver!
we'll all be bastards in the future.
or bad guys, take your pick.
"Why so?"
--LittlePig
Buys into the whole fear thing. Maybe, just me, but I'm tired of it.
Thanks, Leibniz. I too am on a Mac, but am not as glyph-clever as most.
HA! barack answers hrc's fear ad with an ad of his own!
http:// tpmelectioncentral.talkin...n_a_dangero.php
Oh, holy shit.
HA! barack answers hrc's fear ad with an ad of his own!
http:// tpmelectioncentral.talkin...n_a_dangero.php
jdw | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 6:02 pm | #
You know, it's hard to watch as Hillary's experienced fighters roll over that kumbaya singing wimp.
"Now, if Barack takes both TX and OH it's over, mathematically, for Hillary? But if Hillary wins at least one, it remains open?"
no. it all depends on delegate count.
the news said after WI that hrc would have to win EVERY remaining state by double-digit margins to overcome BO's # of pledged delegates. HRC has more superdelegates, but with each passing day that number decreases as people lose faith in her ability to win and run a decent campaign.
IF BO wins both TX and Ohio, he can still come out with a net loss of delegates against hrc. on the other hand he can lose both TX and OH and still win more delegates.
Her strategy is to damage Obama as much as possible and then insist that she's the only viable option.
fourlegsgood, gots pitchfork | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 6:04 pm | #
does obama look the least little bit damaged by anything that hillary has said in the past two months to you?
i think she is giving him the chance to develop his responses before the general, so now he is innoculated against the mccain attacks
you know, often, in a fight, being perceived as the victim of attacks is an excellent strategy
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The question is, thus, whether or not this posture of creating a mostly arbitrary class of "bad guy"
There's nothing arbitrary about it. China and Russia are huge markets for us to sell to. Saudi Arabia has oil. Cuba, Syria and North Korea aren't big enough or wealthy enough for us to care about. And they don't have any resources we need. But we're not bullies or anything. Nope, not the good ole USA.
DJ | 02.29.08 - 6:00 pm | #
Zing!
Hi, FLG. I was really asking about the math of the delegate count, nothing else.
Well, her winning by just a little doesn't do anything to erase her deficit.
Thanks, jdw.
Hmm, if they'll keep Bush off NBC, I pomise to tune in more often:
NBC: Bush kept off network to promote MSNBC
NEW YORK — NBC News said it was a desire to promote MSNBC as a news destination that led to its decision Thursday not to carry President Bush's news conference on NBC.
The call to keep Bush off the broadcast network was noteworthy not just because ABC and CBS pre-empted regularly scheduled programming to cover the president, but because NBC was airing another news division program at the time — the fourth hour of Today.
"We're trying to make MSNBC the place to go for NBC News, and the strategy is working," said Phil Griffin, NBC News senior vice president.
I will not stand for this slur of Estes Kefauver!
My family has a story that my mom was so tired of that campaign that she finally yelled, "Kefauver this! Kefauver that! I'm tired of all this! Next time it'll be Kefauver de grass!"
I got my punning from her....
does obama look the least little bit damaged by anything that hillary has said in the past two months to you?
Not my point. Though we will hear the "he's not qualified" for the rest of the year.
I'm just disgusted by the tactic. YMMV 
Boone as a sort of ronin in the Old West. I liked it as a kid.
(insert rude remark about famous and much loved Atriot's age here.)
David Derbes, writin' away
I always got a kick out of "Hec Ramsey", too. Good stuff.
LittlePig | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 5:57 pm | #
Actually, I never missed Medic.
Older than dirt.
does obama look the least little bit damaged by anything that hillary has said in the past two months to you?
Boy, she's been so mean to him.
*rolls eyes*
Buys into the whole fear thing. Maybe, just me, but I'm tired of it.
mer
Hmmmmm. I took as more as "do you want someone answering the phone for whom war is the default answer?".
The fear thing is going to be there; hell, it'll be Walnuts whole campaign. Calling Hillary's and John Sidney's bluff early seems like a good angle.
NEW YORK — NBC News said it was a desire to promote MSNBC as a news destination that led to its decision Thursday not to carry President Bush's news conference on NBC.
Don't those guys realize they're needlessly pissing off 19% of the country?
I've said it before, and I'll say it hundreds more times before la Chimpster is finished mucking everything up...only hypocrites go to hell, and it's a very full place.
You know, it's hard to watch as Hillary's experienced fighters roll over that kumbaya singing wimp.
Hi, FLG. I was really asking about the math of the delegate count, nothing else.
FLG has his math. Karl Rove has the math.
Kefauver de grass!
This is precisely why I come here. People smart enough to make such a joke. I salute you.
I'm just disgusted by the tactic.
Political campaigns are fairly disgusting, actually.
But you know that.
Ur not stoopid.
There's nothing arbitrary about it. China and Russia are huge markets for us to sell to.
Russia has oil and natural gas, too. We've been importing Russian oil directly since 2002.
When Bush looked into Vladimir Putin's eyes, he didn't see his soul but rather a couple million barrels of oil.
Always and forever, it is about the OIL.
"Oh, holy shit."
hahaha. and ya know what makes me happy?
by giving him just a few bucks, i was able to help him fight that stupid hrc ad with one of his own.
i'm loving how he's responding to bullshit attacks.
what is it with middleaged white men, who don't get the response they want from a woman, roll their eyes.
[...]
nona | 02.29.08 - 6:01 pm | #
and
Boy, she's been so mean to him.
*rolls eyes*
pie | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 6:11 pm | #
Nona - ask Pie.
I was really asking about the math of the delegate count, nothing else.
My understanding is that neither one is likely to get a majority of delegates.
If Hillary can win by substantial margins in TX & OH she can narrow the gap enough for super delegates to make up the difference, but if she does not win both, or splits 50/50 with Obama it will be hard for them to get enough SDs to win. At least thats how the "experts" were explaining it a few weeks ago.
If HRC had gone nuclear earlier, it would have given people more time to consider things.
Now, it just seems desperate.
Though we will hear the "he's not qualified" for the rest of the year.
fourlegsgood, gots pitchfork
I think they're pissing into the wind with that one. Nobody has experience for that job that isn't running for a second term. Hillary hasn't done anything all the distinguished in the Senate, and her only big political push, health care reform, was dead on arrival because she didn't go the groundwork (just like her current campaign). Hillary doesn't have enough follow-through.
Her strategy is to damage Obama as much as possible and then insist that she's the only viable option.
fourlegsgood, gots pitchfork
which is as odious as it is stupid.
did someone mention desperate.
when i come home tues. nite i so hope i'm hearing nos. like 65 and 60 percent in texas and ohio.
i know that's not likely but...
rootless-e, what are you saying?
But Obama is plagiarizing this line from Kucinich - in fact, it was Kucinich's second best line.
What HRC needs now is an incident or huge revelation that the superdelegates can hide behind when she buys them off for supporting her over BHO.
You know what's really nice? That I finally moved every scrap of money I have out of the stock market. Last week.
LittlePig, maybe I need to go watch it again, and listen to the words. All I saw were pictures of more kids asleep in their beds needing protection against an enemy that might not exist.
rootless-e, what are you saying?
pie | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 6:14 pm | #
Nothing serious. Eye-rolling is one of my primary forms of communication.
I was really asking about the math of the delegate count, nothing else.
My understanding is that neither one is likely to get a majority of delegates.
I think we went over all the counts yesterday, but NYT has a chart with everybody's estimates here:
http://politics.nytimes.com/elec...ates/
index.html
"does obama look the least little bit damaged by anything that hillary has said in the past two months to you?"
well, he's only gained 8 points in the last week or so vs. the 15 he might have gained without her bullshit.
my hope is that people in TX and OH will as turned off by her negatvity as the voters in WI were. she was way ahead there and she went from being up by 6 to losing by 17 with her negative attacks.
The cardinals will come and eat the sunflower seeds even if its raining.
If HRC had gone nuclear earlier, it would have given people more time to consider things.
Advice from the peanut gallery.
Not my point. Though we will hear the "he's not qualified" for the rest of the year.
I'm just disgusted by the tactic. YMMV
fourlegsgood, gots pitchfork | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 6:10 pm | #
it wasn't necessary for hillary to say this for it to be obvious as a line of attack
"disgusted"
politics is not a tea party. obama is not like a new car where you have a heart attack when it gets its first little scratch. he will run well even if he has a few dings in him, and, IMHO, hillary has failed to even ding him a little bit. he did, you know, attack hillary rather bitterly as well.
"well, she deserved it"
sigh...
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Eye-rolling is one of my primary forms of communication.
So you're a man?
In either event, y'alls party is doomed. If HRC pulls off the deal, blacks will stay away in droves come general election time.
If BHO gets it, Southern whites and older women will not even give him the back of their hands.
Though we will hear the "he's not qualified" for the rest of the year.
fourlegsgood, gots pitchfork
I think they're pissing into the wind with that one.
LittlePig
Me, too. What clearly matters is brains and judgment.
It's hard to admit it, but McCain is smart enough for the job. He just has terrible, terrible judgment.
There are many other reasons to vote against him, though, not least of which he's a goddamned Republican.
If Hillary was a man, she'd be kicking Obama's ass right now.
FLG has his math.
And kittehs. I gotz kittehs.
http://plush-life.blogspot.com/2...ay-
kittenz.html
I thought for quite a while that the Republicans made a mistake going for McCain and basically killing their free publicity so early. But if HRC is going to be nasty for them, maybe it wasn't such a bad plan after all.
she was way ahead there and she went from being up by 6 to losing by 17 with her negative attacks.
Interestingly the polls had them close or tied at the end of the previous week (just like now in TX) yet he came out of it with a big win.
In either event, y'alls party is doomed.
Yes, we're all feeling positively despondent at the prospect of taking the White House and increased seats in the House and Senate, not to mention additional governorships around the country.
I'm positively .... verklempt.
It's hard to admit it, but McCain is smart enough for the job. He just has terrible, terrible judgment.
There are many other reasons to vote against him, though, not least of which he's a goddamned Republican.
That's exactly right. He's not an idiot, but he believes the same shit that Bush does, AND he luvs him some war.
Fuck that shit.
Barmpot Shouty-Crackers, PhD,
Wish I had money to move out of the stock market. The check cleared! Thank you.
Not having any principles cost the Dems 2004.
Having too many principles, as your party conceives, will cost you this year.
If BHO gets it, Southern whites and older women will not even give him the back of their hands.
Toby Petzold
Sorry, Toby, but the country seems to have moved on.
There are fewer and fewer racists. Sure, there are some, probably more than I'd like to admit, but fifty-four years after Brown, most people have grown up. Not all.
So you're a man?
pie | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 6:17 pm | #
is it unladylike to roll eyes?
I steal from my retarded mother.
Not having any principles cost the Dems 2004.
Having too many principles, as your party conceives, will cost you this year.
Toby Petzold
That's ridiculous. Principles had nothing to do with, emotions (and John Kerry's lack thereof did). Republicans don't have principles.
This month Hillary & Obama together raised $85,000,000. John McLame raised $12.
Like these stories about Obamacans?
Does Big Media understand what would motivate a conservative to support BHO in the present context?
These poll numbers are meaningless.
Toby's free advice deserves its rightful place in the trash bin.
um...
we were all trying to be united and be friends here, so can we just let the primary campaign run its course without the rehearsal of the hillary demonology yet again?
.
Boy, she's been so mean to him.
*rolls eyes*
pie
but it's true pie.
except i would have substituted mean with rovian.
and hillary is no rove.
remember when hillary "found her voice", she lost it soon again.
maybe it would have been better if michelle obama would have run, then we could have had the first black female president.
For the person above who asked if somebody could lock up the nomination before the convention: Obama needs about 700 delegates, Clinton about 800. There are about 950 left in the primaries, and then it all goes to superdelegates.
So no, it doesn't look like anybody wins on pledged delegates, but of course the supers moves with the winds.
which is as odious as it is stupid.
That's my point.
It just creeps me out.
My mom is 74 and every old white woman in her water exercise class is supporting Obama. To The Person.
but because NBC was airing another news division program at the time — the fourth hour of Today.
Dear god. The Today show is up to four hours? Back when I was young and the earth was cooling, there used to be cheesey game shows on in the mornings.
If Hillary had led a courageous attack on the AUMF in 2002, she'd be considering vice-presidential choices now.
Does Big Media understand what would motivate a conservative to support the liberal mccain in the present context?
These poll numbers are meaningless.
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 6:20 pm |
fyt
mccain is a liberal who is destroying the republican party - rush told me so
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If Hillary was a man, she'd be kicking Obama's ass right now.
Life is So Unfair
Only if by being a man Hillary could let her inner Elvis out. Personally I think Hillary, like Michael J. Fox, has no Elvis.
Her strategy is to damage Obama as much as possible and then insist that she's the only viable option.
fourlegsgood, gots pitchfork
link? and what did you think about this?
Upon learning about this, Obama's campaign sent out an analysis of the Clinton investments to news organizations which it asked not be attributed to the campaign:
It called Mrs. Clinton “Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab)” in its headline. The document went on to refer to the investment in India and Mrs. Clinton’s fund-raising efforts among Indian-Americans. The analysis also highlighted the acceptance by Mr. Clinton of $300,000 in speech fees from Cisco, a company the Obama campaign said has moved American jobs to India.
This month Hillary & Obama together raised $85,000,000. John McLame raised $12.
And McCain has no answer to his dilemma.
Breaking the law should really help him if he goes forward anyway.
Yowza.
Racists? How can BHO be the post-racial candidate and Great Black Hope at the same time?
It's called mass psychosis, hippies.
You've all gone spare.
If BHO gets it, Southern whites and older women will not even give him the back of their hands.
keep your crack-ass crackers, we will never win those cracker states anyway, as for older women, it's like expecting your redneck older women to vote dem: they ain't gonna switch parties
Thanks, MikeJ.
And a warm welcome to Dr. G!
I gots to run, but maybe later, folks...
Voting for Obama is like voting for never having a woman president.
Heparin pulled from the shelves.
No one could have anticipated that!