-Trade gap narrows to smallest in a decade
-Geithner to crack down on derivatives
-Fewer than expected file for unemployment (07.09.2009)
ccokz |
07.10.09 - 12:07 pm | #
Idle thought: If Obama wants to succeed, he had best come home and starting busting heads.
But maybe he does not want to succeed because that would be fucking uncivil and not bipartisan at all. . . .
DWD
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:08 pm | #
Faster than you can say, Deacon Doctor Tom is a sanctimonious phony.
cosmosis the shodan |
07.10.09 - 12:08 pm | #
there's no buffet line!
General Zod |
07.10.09 - 12:08 pm | #
(sneaks raw haddock into break room, eyes microwave w/evil grin)
Teh Giant Puppets |
07.10.09 - 12:11 pm | #
I'm here to raise awareness of Zeppelin Clauses in everyday contracts. So before you click that next clickthrough license, remember to read whether you have to give notice by way of zeppelin.
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 12:11 pm | #
I'd say, does anyone know what time it is, but then someone would feel obliged to post a link to Chicago's stupid song, so I won't.
bo |
07.10.09 - 12:11 pm | #
"I think I'm considering everything," Hampton said.
Does that include an affaire d'honneur, and winning?
R. McGeddon |
07.10.09 - 12:12 pm | #
a manufactuer of netbooks sends a faxed order form for 1000 processors to a supplier. the quoted price is $25. the supplier faxes back an acceptance form, but the price is list at $30. The supplier ships the processors and they are accepted by the manufacturer.
Can the supplier enforce the $30 price?
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 12:12 pm | #
atrios just put up this thread because he hates homeowners
upyernoz |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:12 pm | #
(sneaks raw haddock into break room, eyes microwave w/evil grin)
*Eats soggy egg salad sandwich in retaliation*
Your Coworker |
07.10.09 - 12:12 pm | #
at least i didnt call it the heisenberg. anyway, googling it, it was almost named the hitler.
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 12:06 pm
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 12:12 pm | #
Geithner is looking more and more like the punchline to the George Carlin joke about this country being sold off a long time ago.
macacawitz |
07.10.09 - 12:13 pm | #
"I'm here to raise awareness of Zeppelin Clauses in everyday contracts. So before you click that next clickthrough license, remember to read whether you have to give notice by way of zeppelin.
Jay C."
OH LORDY! I failed it then. Sheesh! I forgot all about those sneaky trojan zephs!
PeasantParty,MADEINUSA |
07.10.09 - 12:13 pm | #
Republicans for $400, Alex.
bo |
07.10.09 - 12:13 pm | #
No, Atrios went on vacation in a different, distant time zone not in sync with North America and gave people he knows that we don't keys to open threads at times inconvenient for him.
This I have deduced.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:14 pm | #
Can the supplier enforce the $30 price?
euphronius failure
This job is a pain in the ass.
bo |
07.10.09 - 12:14 pm | #
Vancouver is a nice town. People are friendly, the town works because it's lubed with a lot of social grace.
But, having said that, I went solo to a bar last night, set up shop at a table to read. Some dude with no social skills sits at the next table, starting to annoy me with stupid comments, so I got up and sat at the bar. Fifteen minutes goes by, and another dude with no social skills sits next to me, starts annoying me with stupid comments.
Plus, the hamburger had mayo on it.
I'm going back to Halifax.
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:14 pm | #
I think we're on Threadbot3000™ Standard Time...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:14 pm | #
heh notice by zeppelin. i think zeppelins fit in with the steampunk movement or ethos or whatever it is.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 12:15 pm | #
*consults magical UCC chart retained from law school*
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 12:15 pm | #
Fun fact - according to a a TV doc on the Hindenburg several made several years ago, the problem was the coating of the fabric cover, which was remarkably similar in chemical composition to solid rocket boosters like those used on the space shuttle. The hydrogen didn't ignite until after the H-burg was already on fire and doomed.
spot check billy |
07.10.09 - 12:15 pm | #
"The Family" cites Hitler, Pol Pot, and Lenin as role models.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
07.10.09 - 12:15 pm | #
I think yes too. because the "acceptance" fax revoked the first "offer" fax at 25 and the manufactuer's acceptance of the goods was acceptance of the 30$ offer?
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 12:15 pm | #
I'm waiting for a thread on Super Zeppelins.
macacawitz |
07.10.09 - 12:15 pm | #
WASHINGTON - The aircrash that killed entrepreneur Steve Fossett, famed for his daredevil aerial feats, probably was caused by downdrafts that exceeded the ability of his small plane to recover before slamming into a California mountainside, federal safety officials said Thursday.
I know this is kind of mean to say, but I'm really glad Steve Fossett is gone. I really didn't give the slightest fuck about his hot air balloon feats.
I feel certain Atrios knows enough math to determine when it's noon in his home time-zone.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.10.09 - 12:17 pm | #
The aircrash that killed entrepreneur Steve Fossett, famed for his daredevil aerial feats, probably was caused by downdrafts that exceeded the ability of his small plane to recover before slamming into a California mountainside, federal safety officials said Thursday.
I'm telling ya, those things don't stay up there all by themselves.
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:17 pm | #
i think youre right euph. you pass. go directly to go.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 12:17 pm | #
(sneaks raw haddock into break room, eyes microwave w/evil grin)
If it's anything like Tilapia, put it in a covered bowl...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:17 pm | #
Awesome Kucinich beatdown of rightwing Friedmanite:
Who here has inside experience with a Headhunter, Staffing Agency, or Recruiter?
PeasantParty,MADEINUSA |
07.10.09 - 12:18 pm | #
No, Atrios went on vacation in a different, distant time zone not in sync with North America
Shorter Plantsman: Atrios is in Barcelona pigging out at a tapas bar.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
07.10.09 - 12:18 pm | #
One year Atrios went on vacation. Avedon posted something here and it spread like wildfire all over the internets and attributed to Atrios. I think he wants everyone to see who is posting what is all.
mer |
07.10.09 - 12:18 pm | #
ok here is 2-207:
a manufactuer of netbooks sends a faxed order form for 1000 processors to a supplier. the quoted price is $25. the supplier faxes back an acceptance form, with an added term which demands arbitration of any dispute on teh K. The supplier ships the processors and they are accepted by the manufacturer.
later, a dispute arises on the K. Can the supplier enforce the arbitration clause?
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 12:18 pm | #
i hate mayo on hamburgers. esp texas beef hamburgers, which are bad in themselves.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 12:18 pm | #
What's with this exploded fish all over the inside of the microwave?
bo |
07.10.09 - 12:19 pm | #
was it a zeppelin fish?
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 12:20 pm | #
ZEPPELIN RULES!!!!
Funny story about the band meeting one of the Baron's descendants on an early tour. She was thrilled the family name had been adopted by the band until she saw the album cover.
spot check billy |
07.10.09 - 12:20 pm | #
We could set the building on fire...
Teh Giant Puppets |
07.10.09 - 12:20 pm | #
I think Levi Johnston has taken it upon himself to call bullshit anytime Palin opens her yap.
cosmosis the shodan |
07.10.09 - 12:20 pm | #
at least i didnt call it the heisenberg. anyway, googling it, it was almost named the hitler.
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 12:06 pm
Schickelgruber wouldn't fit on the side of it
General Zod |
07.10.09 - 12:20 pm | #
Mayo is something they should really ask about. Shouldn't just assume that someone would want it. You could put it in a bowl or something, on the side, if you insist. But not right on the hamburger.
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:21 pm | #
Waterboarding - an interrogation technique in which water is forced
into a detainee's mouth and nose so as to induce the sensation of drowning
Earmark - a provision in Congressional legislation that allocates
a specified amount of money for a specific project, program, or organization.
Frenemy - someone who acts like a friend but is really an enemy.
Locavore - one who eats foods grown locally.
Vlogs - a blog that contains video material.
Flash mob - a group of people summoned electronically to a designated
spot at a specified time to perform an indicated action before dispersing.
C/T, translator |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:21 pm | #
I hate ketchup on hamburgers, the parody of blood gets to me. Like Mustard and cheese.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:21 pm | #
*Eats soggy egg salad sandwich in retaliation*
Discards banana peel in cubicle wastebasket.
leaves bottle of salad dressing on top of copier.
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 12:22 pm | #
Frenemy - someone who acts like a friend but is really an enemy.
We have somebody who always leaves a cup with a teabag in it in the microwave.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 12:22 pm | #
i see my UCC questions have limited appeal.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 12:22 pm | #
They did have malt vinegar for the fries, tho, so there's that. And the bartender was kinda hot, six drinks in, anyway.
Moe Szyslak |
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07.10.09 - 12:23 pm | #
later, a dispute arises on the K. Can the supplier enforce the arbitration clause?
euphronius failure
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maybe I'm hungry. The maker and supplier are mixing up in your problem.
PeasantParty,MADEINUSA |
07.10.09 - 12:23 pm | #
One year Atrios went on vacation. Avedon posted something here and it spread like wildfire all over the internets and attributed to Atrios. I think he wants everyone to see who is posting what is all.
mer
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:23 pm | #
Or the person ordering could ask, "I dunno if you put mayo on your burgers, but if you do, could you hold it on mine?"
plantsman, mad google skillz |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:23 pm | #
Levi wants to be a movie star.
annie |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:23 pm | #
What's that shit they use in Utah, mayo and ketchup combo?
cosmosis the shodan |
07.10.09 - 12:23 pm | #
I think Levi Johnston has taken it upon himself to call bullshit anytime Palin opens her yap.
cosmosis the shodan
Now there's a contract law case: If a political grifter promises an adolescent lout that he'll be "taken care of" if he cleans himself up and holds hands with said grifter's pregnant daughter for the cameras, and said pregnant daughter kicks said lout out of governor's mansion, is said grifter obligated to take care of said lout?
BlueinColorado |
07.10.09 - 12:23 pm | #
I think 'frenemy' is a very useful word, actually.
You folks don't live in the PNW, there are a lot of really passive-aggressive people here.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 12:23 pm | #
shelf life, weve moved on to wingnut breasts and condiments.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 12:24 pm | #
Mayo on a burger? No.
I like Mayo and Tabasco sauce on my burger.
Supreme Commander Thor |
07.10.09 - 12:24 pm | #
You folks don't live in the PNW, there are a lot of really passive-aggressive people here.
Ever listen to "Prairie Home Companion"?
AndyG |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:24 pm | #
the half life of UCC questions is 45 seconds.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 12:24 pm | #
We should make up a few Eschaton words...
Like Atriosed = to hit the big time by being called a wanker several times in one month?
Buttled = to be mocked unrelentingly for being a ignorant troll?
The options are endless.....
ellroon, smolderingwreckian |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:24 pm | #
If life were fair, someone would set up Levi with Santorum's daughter.
macacawitz |
07.10.09 - 12:24 pm | #
Frenemy - someone who acts like a friend but is really an enemy.
what about 'enemour'
1)someone who treats you like shit but professes to loves you...
focus, schmart too late |
07.10.09 - 12:24 pm | #
If your hamburger was from Alberta you would have never had mayonnaise on it. As you know, mayonnaise properly belongs on the frites.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.10.09 - 12:24 pm | #
You folks don't live in the PNW, there are a lot of really passive-aggressive people here.
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over here we call them "In-Laws"
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 12:25 pm | #
And if the burger's being sold in a bar, it really shouldn't have anything but cheese on it.
One year Atrios went on vacation. Avedon posted something here and it spread like wildfire all over the internets and attributed to Atrios. I think he wants everyone to see who is posting what is all.
mer .
Especially with all the Gypsies in the palace...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:25 pm | #
The UCC is all orderly and shit, so it's easy to play with.
I had a personal jurisdiction issue recently, that was a fun one. Getting all bar exam.
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 12:25 pm | #
Blue cheese salad dressing is good on a burger, but I hate if you go out to eat and order one and some asshole puts butter, or worse, margerine on the bun without asking.
annie |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:25 pm | #
I try not to, AndyG, I have a problem with that sanctimonious ass who hosts the show.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 12:25 pm | #
Indeed there are, Tlaz -- and the people that tell you "yes" when they mean "no" and don't think another thing about it.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:25 pm | #
Mayo on a burger? No.
What's that shit they use in Utah, mayo and ketchup combo?
cosmosis the shodan
I like Mayo and Tabasco sauce on my burger.
Supreme Commander Thor
mayo, and havarti with dill
General Zod |
07.10.09 - 12:26 pm | #
'Mayo on a burger? No.
I like Mayo and Tabasco sauce on my burger.
Supreme Commander Thor'
Be careful. There are diners in Porter County that will report you to the Red Squad if they catch you doing that.
Professor Wagstaff |
07.10.09 - 12:26 pm | #
frenemy is bad because it could mean enemy who acts like a friend or friend who acts like an enemy.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 12:26 pm | #
Atriosed already to means to crash a site when he gives it a hit.
C/T, translator |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:26 pm | #
We had nachos the other day, and they ruined those too. True story: I've lived in Canada five years, and have yet been served a decent plate of nachos.
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:26 pm | #
over here we call them "In-Laws"
No, no. I'm talking about everybody, even complete strangers.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 12:26 pm | #
My, you're a snippy little Canuck today, aren't you?
plantsman, mad google skillz |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:26 pm | #
You folks don't live in the PNW, there are a lot of really passive-aggressive people here.
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 12:23 pm
Eugene exempted: we are pleasant, and safe drivers--#8
cosmosis the shodan |
07.10.09 - 12:26 pm | #
What's that shit they use in Utah, mayo and ketchup combo?
cosmosis the shodan
Oh, barfalicious...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:26 pm | #
What's that shit they use in Utah, mayo and ketchup combo?
cosmosis the shodan
This really is a lunch thread.
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:27 pm | #
not technically friday cat blogging but somehow it seems to belong here. plus, one of my three cats is an orange tabby named "Oscar"
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:27 pm | #
and whose idea was it to put a dripping wet wedge of iceberg lettuce on top of my french fries?
BlueinColorado |
07.10.09 - 12:27 pm | #
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) – Two Indiana University surveys suggest that vibrator use during sexual encounters is common among American men and women and is linked to better sexual health.
Dr. Debra Herbenick and colleagues surveyed 2,056 women between 18 and 60 years old and found that more than half of the women (52.5%) had used a vibrator, with nearly 1 in 4 having done so in the past month.
Women who used vibrators were more likely to have had gynecologic check up within the past year and were also more likely to have performed a genital self-exam within the past month.
In addition, women who used vibrators, and particularly recent users, reported more desire, arousal, lubrication, and orgasm, and less pain.
I have a problem with that sanctimonious ass who hosts the show.
Yeah, there's that. I don't listen much, but Upper Midwestern passive-aggressiveness is often the subject of many of his skits, was all I was trying to say.
AndyG |
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07.10.09 - 12:27 pm | #
What's that shit they use in Utah, mayo and ketchup combo?
But then go and try to get a donair or a nice chicken shwarma south of the border.
annie |
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07.10.09 - 12:28 pm | #
Obama absolved. Sarkozy, not so much. Up yours with an unpleasant feeling object, Drudge. - bo
what, drudge's writing ship of fools couldn't come up with the headline "Tail-gate" for their faux scandal?
focus, schmart too late |
07.10.09 - 12:28 pm | #
only if you add the pickles. otherwise, it's just st lawrence seaway dressing.
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
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07.10.09 - 12:28 pm | #
We had nachos the other day, and they ruined those too. True story:
I've lived in Canada five years, and have yet been served a decent
plate of nachos.
Hah! Do I have to tell my story about the lumps of ground meat boiled in water and served as hamburger? IN ALBERTA????
I've lived in Canada five years, and have yet been served a decent plate of nachos.
Moe Szyslak
Hardly a native Canuckistani dish...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:28 pm | #
The act of parting ways with a frenemy is a frenema.
bo |
07.10.09 - 12:29 pm | #
Vancouver is a beautiful city, but like Seattle it rains too much.....and it's hockey team sux.
macacawitz |
07.10.09 - 12:29 pm | #
My, you're a snippy little Canuck today, aren't you?
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:26 pm
he has every reason, they served mayo on his hamburger, without asking, like they were assuming people just normally like mayo on their burgers. it's a slippery slope.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 12:29 pm | #
Up yours with an unpleasant feeling object, Drudge.
Yesterday afternoon, ABC News correspondent Chris Connelly sat down with Michael Jackson's father Joe Jackson -- Jackson's first one-on-one interview since his son's death. A small portion was used on "Nightline" last night, more of it today on "Good Morning America" and insiders tell us the interview may be used in an hour-long "Family Secrets" special Tuesday night.
But it didn't come free.
TVNewser has learned ABC News paid upwards of $200,000 for rights to video featuring Joe and Katherine Jackson - and with it, the interview with Joe Jackson. A source close to the situation tells us the video was shot more than a year ago, "for some kind of reality show project." ABC licensed that footage from the production company and then approached Joe Jackson about getting a current interview "to address everything that's happened in the last couple of weeks," says the source.
AndyG |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:29 pm | #
Atriosed already to means to crash a site when he gives it a hit.
C/T, translator
This is good to know...
ellroon, smolderingwreckian |
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07.10.09 - 12:29 pm | #
I'll bet it's rather difficult to get a decent plate of poutine in the States, also.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 12:29 pm | #
I mean, it's not hard to do nachos right. It's not like you need to go to chef school or whatever.
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:30 pm | #
I've lived in Canada five years, and have yet been served a decent
plate of nachos.
try ordering a pizza in atlanta.
(disclaimer: marietta pizza on the square is actually pretty good)
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:30 pm | #
'I'll bet it's rather difficult to get a decent plate of poutine in the States, also.
Tlazolteotl'
Haggis with poutine and a side of okra. Now that's good eatin'!
Professor Wagstaff |
07.10.09 - 12:31 pm | #
Hardly a native Canuckistani dish...
There are lot's of Tex-Mex restaurants in Ottawa and they all suck. Canada doesn't like to import Hispanics. Tons of Hijab wearing types, but no one who can whip up a proper burrito.
macacawitz |
07.10.09 - 12:31 pm | #
Went to look at HuffPo and was blinded by the Pope. Could he look MORE like Palaptine?
~
Meander |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:31 pm | #
It's only 1000 Island if it has sweet relish in it, the bits are the islands.
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:29 pm | #
those bits are chopped pickles, and i believe i'll have a root beer.
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:32 pm | #
I've waited tables and cooked in restaurants. It is not common practice to announce what condiments will be used on a burger in advance if it isn't on the menu. People are however, always free to ask what will be served and ask for exceptions or substitutions.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:32 pm | #
Tons of Hijab wearing types, but no one who can whip up a proper burrito.
Again, Alberta. Oil industry. Multiple connexions with Texas. Alas.
Atriosed already to means to crash a site when he gives it a hit.
C/T, translator
Probably still in the Internet Lexicon as "Slashdotted", though...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:32 pm | #
The last time I ate at MickyD's I had a "Big and Tasty". 37% of the bastard was calories from fat.
Supreme Commander Thor |
07.10.09 - 12:33 pm | #
Sweet relish is chopped pickles. Check at the store.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:33 pm | #
People are however, always free to ask what will be served and ask for exceptions or substitutions.
Yes, I believe in this instance, Moe is being pretty passive-aggressive about the whole thing.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 12:33 pm | #
Hah! Do I have to tell my story about the lumps of ground meat boiled in water and served as hamburger? IN ALBERTA????
they have krystal in alberta? i thought it was a southern thing.
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:33 pm | #
I had nachos at a bar a few months ago. It looked like they had cracked an egg over it, but it was somekind of cheese. It was nasty.
You can get good chicken wings up here though.
annie |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:33 pm | #
I've been served "nachos" in a Canuck bar that were *only* chips and cheese.
And Canadians seem incapable of putting beans in the nachos, like it's a law or something. Very occasionally I'll get like two thin slices of jalapeno, and the waitress will warn me about them being "spicy."
It's so very, very sad.
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:33 pm | #
macacawitz : There are lot's of Tex-Mex restaurants in Ottawa and they all suck. Canada doesn't like to import Hispanics. Tons of Hijab wearing types, but no one who can whip up a proper burrito.
You will hear me saying a lot of things about Houston, but I will never diss the food.
I love San Diego, but I will have to do all of my own cooking.
~
Meander |
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07.10.09 - 12:33 pm | #
I know a guy who got kicked out of a LV casino when he ordered a hotdog. He asked for it with ketchup and the cashier knew he was underage.
cosmosis the shodan |
07.10.09 - 12:33 pm | #
Obama and Sarkozy are walking somewhere, and a young woman with a Jennifer Lopez butt walks in front of them.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:34 pm | #
We import TONS of Mexicans around here to pick stuff.
annie |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:34 pm | #
'TVNewser has learned ABC News paid upwards of $200,000 for rights to video featuring Joe and Katherine Jackson - and with it, the interview with Joe Jackson. A source close to the situation tells us the video was shot more than a year ago, "for some kind of reality show project." ABC licensed that footage from the production company and then approached Joe Jackson about getting a current interview "to address everything that's happened in the last couple of weeks," says the source.
AndyG '
DAMN! Chuck Todd missed it all. He was stuck in Italy with the President and could only ask the Leader of America what he thought about MJ. Shame!
Poor thing, he really should forget about all that important G-8 crap and get back here to cover major shit like Funerals and stuff.
PeasantParty,MADEINUSA |
07.10.09 - 12:35 pm | #
Moe - I once at a place in Minnesota that made there salsa with catsup! I don't believe you can get decent Mexican food north of the Mason-Dixon line.
Stadler |
07.10.09 - 12:35 pm | #
I like mayo on my burger if there's a lettuce and tomato barrier between the bun and the burger.
Libby, |
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07.10.09 - 12:36 pm | #
It would no more occur to me that they would put mayo on a burger than that they would put paint thinner on it. Just can't wrap my ahead around why I should have to ask them what they put on it, rather than the other way around.
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 12:36 pm | #
Better ordering the paint thinner straight-up. Ask the sommelier if you can sniff the cap first.
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 12:36 pm | #
Free Republic apparently took down their nauseating thread attacking Malia Obama.
by your fourth kid, fetusblogging will consist of "oh, yeah, we had another baby last week. didn't i mention it?"
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
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07.10.09 - 12:37 pm | #
Free Republic apparently took down their nauseating thread attacking Malia Obama.
It's a good group over there.
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 12:37 pm | #
Drop Dead
Blue Dems to America |
07.10.09 - 12:37 pm | #
I had a chicken green chile casserole for dinner last night, with a tomato salad. It tasted gud.
Then, because of the Byetta, u know what happened.
Until I moved to the Mysterious East, no one had ever asked me whether I wanted mayo on my burger. I asked her whether she was kidding.
Professor Wagstaff |
07.10.09 - 12:37 pm | #
I like mayo on my burger if there's a lettuce and tomato barrier between the bun and the burger.
I don't believe you can get decent Mexican food north of the Mason-Dixon line.
I don't know what 'decent' is, but this neighborhood's been inhabited by Mexicans for over a century. There's plenty of authentic Mexican and Lebanese food around here.
AndyG |
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07.10.09 - 12:38 pm | #
i like blue cheese and mushrooms on my burgers.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 12:38 pm | #
My point is that the only way to be sure what you will receive is to ask.
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07.10.09 - 12:38 pm | #
Canada doesn't like to import Hispanics.
And they're afraid a decent taco stand would draw 'em up by the thousands? Like they can't get that stuff at home?
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:38 pm | #
I've got a friend who orders his steaks rare. "Wipe its ass and bring it out here," he says. "If it's not mooing, it's overcooked."
Moe Szyslak |
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07.10.09 - 12:38 pm | #
We import TONS of Mexicans around here to pick stuff.
annie >
Where? I'm moving.
None in Ottawa. Not to sound elitist, but it also effects the service business, at least in this town.
macacawitz |
07.10.09 - 12:38 pm | #
I don't believe you can get decent Mexican food north , east or west of Tucson.
Stadler
fixed your taco
George Johnston |
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07.10.09 - 12:39 pm | #
And there's good Mexican in Chicago and along the whole American West Coast.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.10.09 - 12:39 pm | #
Free Republic apparently took down their nauseating thread attacking Malia Obama.
With all these attacks, I suggest Obama resign.
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07.10.09 - 12:39 pm | #
I've got a friend who orders his steaks rare. "Wipe its ass and bring it out here," he says. "If it's not mooing, it's overcooked."
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:38 pm | #
i believe that was woody harrelson in "the cowboy way" (with keifer sutherland)
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
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07.10.09 - 12:39 pm | #
I found better Mexican food in San Francisco than in Mexico.
Moe Szyslak |
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07.10.09 - 12:40 pm | #
I have to say, those burgers at Red Robin with the blue cheese and chipotle mayo are wicked good.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 12:40 pm | #
I don't believe you can get decent Mexican food north of the Mason-Dixon line.
Stadler
More like east of the Rocky Mountains.
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 12:40 pm | #
Those of us who eat New Mexican food end up making it for ourselves when we're out of state.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.10.09 - 12:40 pm | #
Canada sucks, but not as much as the South.
wŇÓ† |
07.10.09 - 12:40 pm | #
2 all boef patties special sauce lettuce cheese all on a sesame bun
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 12:40 pm | #
That's the thing, isn't it? What is "decent?" I don't know how to become an initiate into the secret world of people who Know Things, other than to try it all.
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 12:41 pm | #
At the place my lover worked, the kitchen yell for super rare was, "Walkin".
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.10.09 - 12:41 pm | #
H.R. 3127
To direct the Architect of the Capitol to acquire a statue of
“The Unknown Slave” for permanent display in Emancipation
Hall in the Capitol Visitor Center, and for other purposes.
My favorite rare steak description is "So rare a second year vet student has a good chance of bringing back to life."
Stadler |
07.10.09 - 12:41 pm | #
new yorkers (at least in the old days) do not consider mustard and mayo to be legally admissable choices on a hamburger. mustard, in particular, on a hamburger is a sign of insanity
and then i move out to california and they put mayo and mustard on hamburgers by default
I like mayo on my burger if there's a lettuce and tomato barrier between the bun and the burger.
The mustard goes on the bottom of the burger with the onion, and the ketchup goes on top with the pickle. NO KETCHUP ON HOTDOGS! Also.
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:42 pm | #
H.R. 3127
To direct the Architect of the Capitol to acquire a statue of
“The Unknown Slave” for permanent display in Emancipation
Hall in the Capitol Visitor Center, and for other purposes.
I found better Mexican food in San Francisco than in Mexico.
Moe Szyslak
I've snuck over to Tijuana a couple of times from San Diego. Nothing like a little Carne Asada before the donkey show.
macacawitz |
07.10.09 - 12:42 pm | #
the best italian food in the world is served in buford, georgia.
it used to be nutley, nj but then mom retired down here.
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07.10.09 - 12:42 pm | #
.I'm under the impression "Mexican" food in the states is pretty much "Tex-Mex" at best.
I dunno. There's an awful lot of actual Mexicans here in SF.
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 12:42 pm | #
speakign of meat, Mrs. Brown is in the news for twice rejecting veal at the G-8 and twittering about it.
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07.10.09 - 12:42 pm | #
When I am in Arizona next month, the In-N-Out Burger is definitely on the itinerary.
Professor Wagstaff |
07.10.09 - 12:42 pm | #
People are better looking in Vancouver than in Halifax.
Moe Szyslak |
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07.10.09 - 12:42 pm | #
The Red Robin in Eugene was always in the paper being cited for health and rodent violations, so I never went.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.10.09 - 12:42 pm | #
NO KETCHUP ON HOTDOGS! Also.
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | 07.10.09 - 12:42 pm | #
you are the reason coney island had to close.
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
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07.10.09 - 12:42 pm | #
Pretty much all of Southern Ontario. Around Windsor, Leamington especially.
They rotate in and out on work visas, uusually work at greenhouses. There are a few Mexican grocery stores scattered here and there too, but you have to look to find them.
Then there's "authentic." the rule of the Internet is that you can only get authentic whatever cuisine at someplace that only one other poster has heard of. It's the law.
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 12:43 pm | #
I know this is kind of mean to say, but I'm really glad Steve Fossett is gone. I really didn't give the slightest fuck about his hot air balloon feats.
Too bad he wasn't piloting a zeppelin.
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07.10.09 - 12:43 pm | #
That's the thing, isn't it? What is "decent?" I don't know how to become an initiate into the secret world of people who Know Things, other than to try it all.
Reminds me of a lame joke I heard the other day:
How many hipsters does it take to screw in a light bulb?
The number is too obscure...you wouldn't get it.
AndyG |
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07.10.09 - 12:43 pm | #
no catsup on hot dogs?
are you insane?
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 12:43 pm | #
The more stuff on my burger, the better. Ketchup, mustard, mayo, lettuce, tomato, onion, bit of relish, bacon, some blue cheese - preferrably cooked in the patty, maybe some ground peanuts, but you can hold the fried egg.
bo, apostate |
07.10.09 - 12:44 pm | #
I love the Sopranos episode where Paulie Walnuts can't eat the food in Naples.
BlueinColorado |
07.10.09 - 12:44 pm | #
How many hipsters does it take to screw in a light bulb?
The number is too obscure...you wouldn't get it.
AndyG
That number used to be cool...
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 12:44 pm | #
and then i move out to california and they put mayo and mustard on hamburgers by default
Default is a ways inland. How do they do it on the coast?
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:44 pm | #
People are better looking in Vancouver than in Halifax.
I always noticed, when I was going to Vancouver a lot in the 80s, that people up there generally were more hip and better dressed than in Seattle. Now I don't see as much difference.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 12:44 pm | #
My favorite rare steak description is "So rare a second year vet student has a good chance of bringing back to life."
Just wipe its ass and throw it on the plate.
Certified Mutant Enemy |
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07.10.09 - 12:44 pm | #
You haven't lived until you've had cochinita pibil in the Yucatan.
I've been quoted by Andrew Sullivan - I've made the big time! Third post down on his page (about first term quitters) - that's my research.
WalterNeff |
07.10.09 - 12:44 pm | #
Moe is complaining about a burger? he doesn't travel well does he?
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07.10.09 - 12:45 pm | #
I'm under the impression "Mexican" food in the states is pretty much "Tex-Mex" at best.
Misimpression. Whatever the hell 'tex-mex' is, it ain't Sonoran, it ain't coastal, it ain't Oaxacan.... It seems to be mostly poor folks' combination of about three cheap ingredients, presented in various ways.
I was in Quebec once, and with my very broken french, ordered the "hamburger deluxe." It was just like I expected-- a hamburger with lettuce and tomato, fries on the side. Except, this perfectly respectable dish was then ladled with gravy, like two inches worth, on top of everything.
Moe Szyslak |
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07.10.09 - 12:46 pm | #
I think I am going to try to get people to have a mini Eschacon in Detroit at the Dearborn Inn. (Best beds I have ever slept in)
This place is wonderful for meeting: used to be part of Henry Ford's Fairlane Estate.
(That's my kind of camping, you know: an excellent restaurant, comfortable beds, and beautiful - classic type of place.)
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.10.09 - 12:47 pm | #
The number is too obscure...you wouldn't get it.
AndyG |
I hope you're being ironic ironically
BlueinColorado |
07.10.09 - 12:47 pm | #
Obama and Sarkozy are walking somewhere, and a young woman with a Jennifer Lopez butt walks in front of them.
plantsman, :
I may have to make potato salad soon. I have a family recipe from my Texas aunts. Fried chicken goes well with it, also.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 12:48 pm | #
I might have a BLT for dinner. And the finest, cheapest beer I can find.
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 12:49 pm | #
Then there's "authentic." the rule of the Internet is that you can only get authentic whatever cuisine at someplace that only one other poster has heard of. It's the law.
Jay C.
And always at a restaurant that everyone used to go to, but now they don't, because it got too popular, and anyway it burned down last year...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:49 pm | #
BLTs?
AndyG | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:48 pm | #
blt's should be served cold.
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
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07.10.09 - 12:49 pm | #
Sometimes if I make homefries, I put chopped up bacon and mayo in it. Mmmmmmmmm.
annie |
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07.10.09 - 12:49 pm | #
Annie, I thought Canadians universally opted for vinegar on their fries.
macacawitz |
07.10.09 - 12:49 pm | #
Did I not describe it understandably?
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.10.09 - 12:50 pm | #
Default is a ways inland. How do they do it on the coast?
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person
i think the only difference is that the mustard is dijon
btw, a blt made with morning star farms fake bacon strips is excellent. i actually prefer it to the real thing.
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
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07.10.09 - 12:50 pm | #
I'd say, busted. Can't say as I blame him... ~ Meander
See above, Obama absolved. In the video clip he's looking at the steps. Sarkozy's eyeballs, OTOH, are running at full letch.
bo, apostate |
07.10.09 - 12:50 pm | #
Vinegar is for chips, only called chips if they come from a truck or are served with battered fish, also usually from a truck. Sometimes from a filthy restaurant with a line out the door.
Fries you put mayo and ketchup. They come with a burger.
annie |
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07.10.09 - 12:51 pm | #
I demand citation for all of these lame food rules!
AndyG | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:50 pm | #
Misimpression. Whatever the hell 'tex-mex' is, it ain't Sonoran, it ain't coastal, it ain't Oaxacan.... It seems to be mostly poor folks' combination of about three cheap ingredients, presented in various ways.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
Frontera Grill. Topolobampo. Rick Bayless.
Just sayin', you want real Mexican, you come to Chicaga.
Or, of course, Mexico. Chicaga's closer for me.
David Derbes, optimistic |
07.10.09 - 12:51 pm | #
I demand citation for all of these lame food rules!
AndyG
You can pry my donut burger out of my cold, dead, and probably sticky hands!
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 12:51 pm | #
So I gather the righties are upset because Obama likes girls, as opposed to their heros...
Moe Szyslak |
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07.10.09 - 12:51 pm | #
Then there's gravy, if you like that kind of thing, I don't.
annie |
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07.10.09 - 12:51 pm | #
btw, a blt made with morning star farms fake bacon strips is excellent. i actually prefer it to the real thing.
I will try that, dirk. A patty melt with Boca burgers is also better than with ground beef, fyi.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 12:51 pm | #
Mayo is also used for coleslaw.(I like mine with a little sour cream as well)
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.10.09 - 12:51 pm | #
even Tapper says its bogus. So maybe you can't go by a still from a moving image
My question would be - So what if he did? It's not like he gave a prime minister an unwanted back rub....
Certified Mutant Enemy |
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07.10.09 - 12:52 pm | #
I was hoping you were here, GWPDA. Thanks!
noblejoanie |
07.10.09 - 12:52 pm | #
i was just trying ot remember the name of that place, the pink adobe. interesting fruit drinks.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 12:52 pm | #
The morning star chik patties are really good on a Japanese noodle salad, as I was describing the other day.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 12:52 pm | #
Just sayin', you want real Mexican, you come to Chicaga.
or tucson. it was nice going to a mexican restaurant that had seafood, and more choices than "a tortilla filled with beans, meat, rice and cheese"
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
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07.10.09 - 12:52 pm | #
See above, Obama absolved. In the video clip he's looking at the steps. Sarkozy's eyeballs, OTOH, are running at full letch.
bo, apostate
Heh. Sarko all but shoves Obama out of the way to get a better look.
BlueinColorado |
07.10.09 - 12:52 pm | #
I love boca burgers, but strongly dislike fakon.
AndyG |
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07.10.09 - 12:52 pm | #
So I gather the righties are upset because Obama likes girls, as opposed to their heros...
And has a functioning libido...
Certified Mutant Enemy |
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07.10.09 - 12:52 pm | #
Whatever the hell 'tex-mex' is
If I opened a Tex-Mex restaurant, I'd call it Bubbacito's...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:53 pm | #
even Tapper says its bogus.
Who cares? The only thing that matters is the location of MJ's brain.
cosmosis the shodan |
07.10.09 - 12:53 pm | #
Mountain dew should only be served before 5pm. After that, darker beverages or Scope are the drinks of choice.
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 12:53 pm | #
you can't get good comidas criollos (cuban/puerto rican food) on the west coast, tho...
arroz con pollo
"ropas veijos"
maduros
and a cafe con leche and flan for dessert
From the angle of the shot it appears Obama is scoping out her booty, but this was no McCranky scoping Palin's ass.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.10.09 - 12:53 pm | #
Vinegar is for chips, only called chips if they come from a truck or are served with battered fish, also usually from a truck. Sometimes from a filthy restaurant with a line out the door.
Whatever. That's an ass that says Hey You! Look at me dammit!! I'm talkin' to YOU! Failure to acknowledge its mighty presence would be in "I bet you're gay" territory, and it's owner is no doubt well aware of that fact.
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 12:53 pm | #
oh yeah i rember the compound too, and stayed at la fonda many times. wgg used to be a lifeguard there, he said.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 12:53 pm | #
You're supposed to switch to Mountain Dew: Code Red or Tahitian Treat for nightcaps.
AndyG
And puffed Cheetos in the summertime, crunchy all other times of the year.
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 12:55 pm | #
Tex-Mex is when you pour a vat of Cheez Wiz on the roof of your Double-Wide and let it bake for a while.
macacawitz |
07.10.09 - 12:55 pm | #
I'm gonna go do vacation-type things, among good looking people who do horrible things with hamburgers.
Moe Szyslak |
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07.10.09 - 12:55 pm | #
no catsup on hot dogs?
are you insane?
euphronius failure
It sounds nutso to talk about ruining the flavor of something like a hot dog, but for me, it does. I usually endup throwing out my current bottle of ketchup when it's still half full, but totally krelmed, I use so little of it. I have very little Archie in me...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:55 pm | #
Pumpernickel?
Light Swedish Rye?
Rye with Carroway Seeds?
Rye with dill?
DWD-YDWETAKIT? | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:50 pm
rye w/ carraway seeds. the old fashioned deli rye bread had a crust so tough you had to make an effort to bite through it
Grocery store has whole beef tenderloins for $4.99 a lb: yes or no?
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.10.09 - 12:55 pm | #
Whether or not Obama was checking out the young woman, at least he didn't have to have his fellow cult members force him to write out a letter to break up with his girlfreind,a nd then go with him to a FedEx store to check that he actualy sent it (and then later call the GF and tell her to ignore the letter) like republic Presidential Material John Ensign (R-Loser)
My wife's grandmother used to make the best Light Swedish Rye - honestly, the best bread (aside from the traditional loaf out of the oven) I have ever had.
But white bread out of the oven really just needs some good butter. (Never use it for anything else except toast)
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.10.09 - 12:56 pm | #
Oh, billy b, cheer up. I'm not going to take your steak away.
I'm talking Boca burgers. Nasty.
billy b |
07.10.09 - 12:57 pm | #
I am about to go on vacation and I promise I will not put mayo or mustard on a burger. In fact I won't eat a burger. I will, however, eat fish chowdah with sherry peppers and rum in it.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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07.10.09 - 12:57 pm | #
Yeah, could be cooked whole or sliced into strip steaks, DWD.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.10.09 - 12:57 pm | #
I will defend to the death the right of a man to admire the beauty of a well sculpted caboose.
macacawitz |
07.10.09 - 12:57 pm | #
the trick is to overcook it a little. it should be crispy, almost burnt.
My general rule for most meats. In fact, leave out the "almost"...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 12:57 pm | #
I will try that, dirk. A patty melt with Boca burgers is also better than with ground beef, fyi.
well.... i'm not sure i'd go that far.
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
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07.10.09 - 12:57 pm | #
good point, i tried some vanilla diet coke and gagged.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 12:57 pm | #
...If you just take a regular coke and put a bit of cherry juice and vanilla extract in it, it's actually very tasty. I'm sure Coke's version is artificial-tasting and icky sweet though.
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 12:57 pm | #
"I feel like chicken tonight, like chicken tonight..."
AndyG |
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07.10.09 - 12:58 pm | #
Sushi in West Coast towns is also good.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.10.09 - 12:58 pm | #
yeah real coke and vanilla is good. that's what i had had before, and i naively thought that vanilla coke would taste something like that.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 12:59 pm | #
And Moe, I say again - one of the best hamburgers of my life I ate in a roadside joint in Yahk. Perfect.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.10.09 - 12:59 pm | #
plantsman,: Did I not describe it understandably?
Completely so - but when you use the phrase "Jennifer Lopez butt", I'm going to look...
~ bo, apostate : See above, Obama absolved. In the video clip he's looking at the steps. Sarkozy's eyeballs, OTOH, are running at full letch.
Once again, Obama proves himself a better man than me. I doubt that even fear of Michelle could have stopped me from at least taking a look.
~ QuentinCompson, : Men . . .
Remember you have to sing that now.
~
Meander |
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07.10.09 - 12:59 pm | #
I dunno if he looked or not it's hard to tell in the video, but that other guy sure did.
And isn't she just a kid?
annie |
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07.10.09 - 1:00 pm | #
...If you just take a regular coke and put a bit of cherry juice and vanilla extract in it, it's actually very tasty. I'm sure Coke's version is artificial-tasting and icky sweet though.
slartibartfast
Used to be able to get cherry juice concentrate in a 12 oz can at Randall's. Made an ass-kicking turbo Cherry Coke. Sadly, no more...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 1:00 pm | #
There seems to be a lot of strategically placed women with nice asses in those photo shoots. Is Sacha Cohen making another movie?
cosmosis the shodan |
07.10.09 - 1:00 pm | #
Tlazolteotl
If it makes you feel any better, it would be my pleasure to ogle both yours and hers.
macacawitz |
07.10.09 - 1:01 pm | #
17 is no kid. And jeesh, it's not like he's luring her into his hotel room or anything, he's just checking her out.
If you click on the pic, aren't you equally guilty?
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 1:02 pm | #
If it makes you feel any better, it would be my pleasure to ogle both yours and hers.
no no no, you misunderstand. You wrote that you would defend the right of any man to ogle. But what if a woman likes to take an appraising look as well? Is that indefensible?
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 1:02 pm | #
Wait, is someone posting pics of hamburgers with mayo?
Jay C. |
07.10.09 - 1:02 pm | #
Wow. This is great. The rightwing Doogie Howzer knows he's getting p3wnd
Dennis Kucinich Pummels Right Wing Dr. On Canadian Healthcare System
why would a woman wear such obviously uncomfortable clothing if she didn't want to be looked at as she walked past?
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
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07.10.09 - 1:03 pm | #
Say - if you're near Senor Murphy's I'd really appreciate a bag of their caramel corn. With pecans. 'Enkew!
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.10.09 - 1:03 pm | #
Wow. A lunch thread almost entirely about food. Except for this heresy.
I know this is kind of mean to say, but I'm really glad Steve Fossett is gone. I really didn't give the slightest fuck about his hot air balloon feats.
Fosset was kind of an asshole, but his hot air balloon feats were worthy of great praise. He was a great aeronaut.
Libby, |
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07.10.09 - 1:03 pm | #
nixon put ketchup on cottage cheese.
(true story, afaik)
dirk gently, antiskeptic
That could explain a lot...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 1:03 pm | #
But what if a woman likes to take an appraising look as well?
i always imagine that all the women i pass are doing just that, and never look back to be disillusioned.
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
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07.10.09 - 1:04 pm | #
I think it's Italy it's a crime *not* to look.
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 1:04 pm | #
My cousin puts ketchup on pancakes.
annie |
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07.10.09 - 1:04 pm | #
i always imagine that all the women i pass are doing just that, and never look back to be disillusioned.
No, no. At another woman, doofus.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 1:04 pm | #
Any restaurant suggestions for Santa Fe?
Santa Fe, NM? Tons of suggestions. Depends on whether you want expensive or inexpensive, New Mexican or not. But here's a short list:
BERT'S BURGER BOWL!!!: Lunch and dinner. Closed Sunday and not open late. A burger joint, but the best green chile cheeseburgers you'll ever have. What's that? You've never HAD a green chile cheeseburger? Get yourself to Bert's. STAT. Inexpensive.
Tecolote Cafe, breakfast and lunch. New Mexican food. Very good. Inexpensive.
Pasquale's: Breakfast, lunch & dinner. Very good varied menu. Very crowded and I don't think they take reservations, but if you go on a weekday for lunch or a late breakfast or even dinner, you should be good. Expensive.
Maria's: Lunch and dinner. New Mexican. Very good. Great margarita menu. Moderate-to-expensive (depending on the type of margarita you order!)
Zia Diner: Breakfast, lunch and dinner. Varied menu. moderate-to-expensive.
Cowgirl Bar: lunch and dinner. Varied menu. Moderate.
El Farol: Lunch (I think) and dinner. Honestly, the food is meh, but the bar is quite fun and you can get a nice snack there. Expensive if you eat a whole meal.
Guadalupe Cafe: Lunch and dinner. New Mexican. Inexpensive.
Blue Corn Cafe: Lunch and dinner. New Mexican. Inexpensive.
If you can drive out of town, people say Harry's Roadhouse is to die for, but I've never eaten there.
I excluded a lot of the expensive joints from this list because, well, I can't afford to eat in them and I reject the Santa Fe poseur attitude. I'm a native, yo. Don't bother with the stupid Coyote Cafe, either. There's plenty of good southwestern places in town without the prices and 'tude.
mothra |
07.10.09 - 1:05 pm | #
If that girl is only 17, her momma should have told her she's too young to be walking around in a dress like that.
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 1:05 pm | #
bums supposedly make "soup" from ketchup packets.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 1:05 pm | #
No, no. At another woman, doofus.
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 1:04 pm | #
he was certainly a throwback to the days when the idle rich would fend off boredom by spending large some of money on risky adventures.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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07.10.09 - 1:06 pm | #
Again, it really depends on the food: around here it is damned near impossible to find french fries that have not been blanched and frozen and they, universally suck donkey balls. (And ANYTHING that will give them flavor. . . .)
But on the rare occasion when someone goes to the trouble of peeling potatoes and deep frying them: Malt vinegar is perfect.
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:06 pm | #
Video proof,
Obama did NOT check out girl's ass. Sarkozy on the other hand...
Not that I blame them. I'm hetero as they come and I looked. She was striking...
Libby, |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:06 pm | #
i luvs me some dennis kucinich.
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:06 pm | #
Tlazolteotl : But what if a woman likes to take an appraising look as well? Is that indefensible?
Of course not. Completely defensible. Encouraged, even. Truly, a fine ass is a work of art, and a sign of a benevolent creator.
~
Meander |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:06 pm | #
File under: "disastrous upon rereading at a later age":
But on the rare occasion when someone goes to the trouble of peeling potatoes and deep frying them: Malt vinegar is perfect.
At some bulk stores you can buy the powdered stuff to put on popcorn, dill pickle, ketchup, bbq, all the stuff you'd find on flavoured potato chips. Dill pickle kind with malt vinegar on chips is awesome.
annie |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:08 pm | #
Is this a three martini lunch thread?
cosmosis the shodan |
07.10.09 - 1:10 pm | #
so fox news photoshopped it?
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 1:10 pm | #
Pink Adobe, The Compound, Blake's Lot-A-Burger. Senor Murphy's. La Fonda.
Sorry, I am going to have to disagree with almost that total list. Well, The Compound is good but EXPENSIVE. Blake's Lotaburger? When there's BERT'S BURGER BOWL? And the Pink Adobe is overpriced and I got sick there from carne adovada once. Never will go back. Senor Murphy's and La Fonda? Por los turistas.
mothra |
07.10.09 - 1:10 pm | #
"Truly, a fine ass is a work of art, and a sign of a benevolent creator."
Possibly the sign of an expensive health club membership.
montanaheadcold |
07.10.09 - 1:11 pm | #
Once again, Obama proves himself a better man than me. I doubt that even fear of Michelle could have stopped me from at least taking a look.
jeeeze, are we not men?
focus, schmart too late |
07.10.09 - 1:11 pm | #
i think la fonda used to be good, so did pink adobe. i dont know about now.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 1:12 pm | #
even Tapper says its bogus. So maybe you can't go by a still from a moving image
Strooth...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
07.10.09 - 1:12 pm | #
I think the correct term is
'the raw good health of youth'.
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Agent Orange |
07.10.09 - 1:12 pm | #
so fox news photoshopped it?
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 1:10 pm | #
no, just an instantaneous moment where his line of sight was passing her trajectory. frozen in time, it looks like ogling.
even unretouched photos can be misleading.
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:13 pm | #
there is a cat on my shoulder.
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:14 pm | #
even unretouched photos can be misleading.
Wish I could see video from Shrub's falling-down-drunk-at-the-Olympics still pictures.
Randomfactor |
07.10.09 - 1:14 pm | #
Are we still talking about ass?
Dexter Methorphan |
07.10.09 - 1:14 pm | #
Remember what W's favorite song was?
"I like her better when she walks away", by Alejandro Escovedo.
AndyG |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:14 pm | #
Video proof,
Obama did NOT check out girl's ass. Sarkozy on the other hand...
Not that I blame them. I'm hetero as they come and I looked. She was striking...
Libby,
Sarkozy's appraisal did look especially lecherous and, er, "continental" in that still.
I do find it interesting how people have different...areas of interest. I tend toward obliviousness wrt posteriors, generally. A long mane of dark hair, otoh...
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
07.10.09 - 1:15 pm | #
Oh, people rave about the Pink Adobe, but I reiterate, it's overpriced and there are a TON of other good, less expensive places to get New Mexican food in Santa Fe. The Pink is really, really touristy.
mothra |
07.10.09 - 1:16 pm | #
.no, just an instantaneous moment where his line of sight was passing her trajectory. frozen in time, it looks like ogling.
Well my SOP in these situations is to contrive an innocen-seeming a line of sight trajectory that crosses the, um, object of interest and take a mental snapshot of it as my gaze sweeps by. Just sayin'
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 1:16 pm | #
inside the cat, no doubt.
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:17 pm | #
Ensign would do the same thing for me if my assistant found out I was fucking his wife.
Rick Santorum |
07.10.09 - 1:17 pm | #
i know santa fe has changed a lot, i expect the la fonda even has air conditioning now.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 1:18 pm | #
Well my SOP in these situations is to contrive an innocen-seeming a line of sight trajectory that crosses the, um, object of interest and take a mental snapshot of it as my gaze sweeps by. Just sayin'
slartibartfast | 07.10.09 - 1:16 pm | #
maybe - but remember mccain checking out palin's ass on the podium? there was that momentary telling pause as his shutter clicked...
video is truer than still photog. and even that can be angled, cropped, zoomed, etc to produce an effect. lucas does it all the time.
dirk gently, antiskeptic |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:19 pm | #
In general, if one seeks out fancy white tablecloth Mexican food, one is missing the point IMO.
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 1:19 pm | #
Going to buy some beef tenderloin: anyone want one?
A clever marketing agreement requiring them to run on WinME?
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QuentinCompson, Retributionary |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:25 pm | #
the compound wasnt mexican food.
Still isn't. But it IS expensive.
mothra |
07.10.09 - 1:25 pm | #
i couldn't care less whether he looked. i assume he likes attractive women, he married one.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 1:25 pm | #
video is truer than still photog. and even that can be angled, cropped, zoomed, etc to produce an effect. lucas does it all the time.
dirk gently, antiskeptic
In the Special Edition re-release, Han and Luke were checking out Leia's ass for about 37% of A New Hope. Han shot first, also.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
07.10.09 - 1:25 pm | #
I love Atrios but these lunch, happy hour, evening, etc. threads are lame. If he's going to auto-post, at least the headlines could be more generic.
ErinPDX |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:26 pm | #
That duplicitous fuck Hannity will turn that video into the Zapruder film.
macacawitz |
07.10.09 - 1:26 pm | #
As I said before: 'Thuglican Ethics, the Great Oxymoron.
bo, apostate |
07.10.09 - 1:27 pm | #
video is truer than still photog. and even that can be angled, cropped, zoomed, etc to produce an effect. lucas does it all the time.
dirk gently, antiskeptic | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 1:19 pm
With McCain, the video proved it to be true. He was freaking fixated. And twiddling his wedding ring.
Libby, |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:27 pm | #
What, her ass is going to explode from his gaze?
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 1:28 pm | #
.He was freaking fixated. And twiddling his wedding ring.
Libby
That part was pretty funny. What a tell.
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 1:28 pm | #
.He was freaking fixated. And twiddling his wedding ring.
Libby
he was thinking, yeah, i might lose cindy's money, but would it be worth it?
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 1:30 pm | #
Do they speak Mexican in Spain?
fred |
07.10.09 - 1:31 pm | #
CNN Headline News was going with the story yesterday, headlined as "Obama's Gaze."
I didn't know CNN was into French PoMo feminist theory, but there it is.
Chichimec |
07.10.09 - 1:32 pm | #
in today's editorial, wapo says some stupid stuff about health care legislation.
who would guess they think bipartisanship is a must, which they forgot when bushco was cutting taxes for the rich by the hair of cheney's VP tie breaker.
and guess what, when it comes to taxing workers health insurance, that is the one campaign promise that is NO BIG DEAL.
At any other time, they would be bashing OB for thinking about breaking a campaign promise.
hypocrisy 101, fred hiatt style.
Friday, July 10, 2009
FOR THOSE WHO seek health reform that is effective, bipartisan and fiscally sound, the past few days have been unsettling.
First, Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) told Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) that his panel's plan to limit the tax-free treatment of employer-provided health insurance would not pass muster; too many Democrats would object. The ability of employers to offer unlimited health insurance to workers tax-free drives up health costs by promoting over-consumption; it benefits the well-off at the expense of lower-paid workers who are less apt to have insurance and, if they do, receive less value from the tax-free treatment of benefits. President Obama made a mistake during the campaign when he attacked John McCain for proposing to get rid of the exclusion. He is making an even bigger mistake by letting campaign positions be the enemy of good public policy.
Second, Democrats continued their insistence on a public option -- a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers -- as essential to effective health reform. Mr. Obama issued what amounted to a public rebuke of his chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, for the apparently heretical act of suggesting openness to an alternative: having a "trigger" mechanism under which a public plan would be established if the private insurance market fails to provide enough competition. The president, from Moscow, restated his support for a public plan, though, thankfully, he continued to avoid drawing a line in the sand. As we have said before, it would be tragic if this issue were to drag down health reform or make it impossible to secure Republican votes. Restructuring the health-care system is risky enough that Democrats would be wise not to try to accomplish it entirely on their own.
Did the MSM ever once make mention of McCain's obvious ass-ogling during the Palin rollout, I wonder? Double standard much, CNN?
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 1:34 pm | #
Why isn't it tragic that selfish goppers who no one likes could prevent reform? Why isn't tragic that Dems have to compromise? Why is democracy tragic?
C/T, translator |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:34 pm | #
I really need to go buy one of those 'no solicitation' signs. Grrr.
AndyG |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:35 pm | #
i'm off for lunch... rump roast for me!
smarty jones |
07.10.09 - 1:35 pm | #
"The gaze"? Chirst on a stick, they are desperate.
Better start impeachment proceedings now. Obama has a penis and eyes.
fred |
07.10.09 - 1:35 pm | #
TPM:
Obama: "I Want to Be Very Careful - Africa is a Continent, Not a Country"
C/T, translator |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:36 pm | #
rump roast for me
Don't let Obama check it out.
Supreme Commander Thor |
07.10.09 - 1:36 pm | #
Better start impeachment proceedings now.
President Gingrich thinks the Repukes should start impeachment already. Also.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:36 pm | #
As we have said before, it would be tragic if this issue were to drag down health reform or make it impossible to secure Republican votes. Restructuring the health-care system is risky enough that Democrats would be wise not to try to accomplish it entirely on their own.
There is no amplification device in the world loud enough to deliver my FUCK YOU to the WaPo editorial board at sufficient volume.
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 1:37 pm | #
Better start impeachment proceedings now.
If I was charged every time I checked out someone's ass I'd be on death row.
Supreme Commander Thor |
07.10.09 - 1:37 pm | #
So they are predicting that we will have an el Nino winter this year, which means, usually, a milder winter with less precip. Kind of bad news for the folks in Vancouver and Whistler (where the Winter Olympics are going to be held).
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 1:38 pm | #
s we have said before, it would be tragic if this issue were to drag down health reform or make it impossible to secure Republican votes. Restructuring the health-care system is risky enough that Democrats would be wise not to try to accomplish it entirely on their own.
Democrats need to reach out to people who take orders from "The Family", and who frequently refer to health insurance in terms of luxury automobiles. "Not everyone can have a Mercedes/Cadillac/Chrysler Le Baron with Rich Corinthian Leather....."
Those analogies are so fucking offensive, I can't believe no one ever calls them on them. Then again, I can.
BlueinColorado |
07.10.09 - 1:40 pm | #
Continents, countries, whatever. The brand of ignorance to which Obama was slyly referring didn't start with G-Dub:
"Well, I learned a lot....I went down to (Latin America) to find out from them and (learn) their views. You'd be surprised. They're all individual countries"
So they threaten to crack down on oil speculation, and oil tumbles the most it has in 1/2 a year.
What an amazing coincidence.
fred |
07.10.09 - 1:40 pm | #
yeah it would be tragic if health care "reform" was derailed by actual health care reform.
pretzel
Time for an angry mob of DC residents to storm the WaPo offices and defenestrate all the editors.
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 1:41 pm | #
After two very cold and snowy winters, I actually am sort of glad.
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 1:39 pm | #
So will my nephew, he had enough snow growing up in Chicago, doesn't want it in Seattle.
Buckeye ... |
07.10.09 - 1:41 pm | #
So they are predicting that we will have an el Nino winter this year, which means, usually, a milder winter with less precip.
As the person that does all of the shoveling in this household, I, for one, welcome the return of our el Nino overlords...
AndyG |
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07.10.09 - 1:41 pm | #
The torch passes...
"After 138 miles of a brutal climb through the Pyrenees Mountains Friday, Alberto Contador made the surge that the Tour de France was waiting for, showing his strength in the hardest climb of the longest stage of the Tour. He moved ahead of his teammate Lance Armstrong in the final mile of the stage in Andorra, making a statement that he is Astana’s team leader and strongest rider."
fred |
07.10.09 - 1:41 pm | #
Isn't our Sec. of State a member of "The Family"?
AndyG |
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07.10.09 - 1:42 pm | #
The only potential downside for me with El Nino is that I'm going to Kauai on vacation in a few weeks. El Nino there means excessively hot weather and the possibility of hurricanes.
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 1:42 pm | #
Restructuring the health-care system is risky enough that Democrats would be wise not to try to accomplish it entirely on their own.
And may I say - dayum!
~ Better start impeachment proceedings now.
Supreme Commander Thor : If I was charged every time I checked out someone's ass I'd be on death row.
The day I stop, I will be on death row.
~
Meander |
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07.10.09 - 1:43 pm | #
As the person that does all of the shoveling in this household, I, for one, welcome the return of our el Nino overlords...
AndyG
Moi aussi. Supposedly it will decrease storms on the East Coast as well. It's been raining way too much lately.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
07.10.09 - 1:43 pm | #
He moved ahead of his teammate Lance Armstrong in the final mile of the stage in Andorra, making a statement that he is Astana’s team leader and strongest rider.
Lance Armstrong, domestique.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:44 pm | #
Why is democracy tragic?
C/T, translator
touche'
yes Tlaz, I could go for a mild winter
ErinPDX |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:45 pm | #
Moi aussi. Supposedly it will decrease storms on the East Coast as well. It's been raining way too much lately.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 1:43 pm
Here in SW Ohio it's been cloudy, but not raining.
So will my nephew, he had enough snow growing up in Chicago, doesn't want it in Seattle.
At least they know how to deal with it in Chicago - did you hear about all the kerfluffle in the aftermath of the storm we had in mid-December? Heads rolled!
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 1:45 pm | #
He moved ahead of his teammate Lance Armstrong in the final mile of the stage
Lance then became distracted checking out his ass...
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
07.10.09 - 1:45 pm | #
yes Tlaz, I could go for a mild winter
ErinPDX | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 1:45 pm |
What, you don't like ice storms?!
Buckeye ... |
07.10.09 - 1:46 pm | #
I'm going to Kauai on vacation in a few weeks.
How foreign and exotic. You should go to Cape Cod, Nantucket or the Vineyard instead.
/Cokie
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:46 pm | #
"After 138 miles of a brutal climb through the Pyrenees Mountains Friday, Alberto Contador made the surge that the Tour de France was waiting for, showing his strength in the hardest climb of the longest stage of the Tour. He moved ahead of his teammate Lance Armstrong in the final mile of the stage in Andorra, making a statement that he is Astana’s team leader and strongest rider."
Astana amputed his scrotum in order to lose the extra weight and gain the edge over Armstrong.
Stunt Woman |
07.10.09 - 1:46 pm | #
So will my nephew, he had enough snow growing up in Chicago, doesn't want it in Seattle.
At least they know how to deal with it in Chicago - did you hear about all the kerfluffle in the aftermath of the storm we had in mid-December? Heads rolled!
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 1:45 pm | #
Yeah, but you've got all those hills, makes it harder. Of course, you don't really have the equipment for it, either.
Buckeye ... |
07.10.09 - 1:47 pm | #
i wonder if armstrong does take some kind of steroids or hgh or whatever.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 1:47 pm | #
"When we last met, Lance, I was but the student..."
C/T, translator |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:47 pm | #
Nothing quite like the thrill of your car doing multiple 360s on black ice.
bo, apostate |
07.10.09 - 1:48 pm | #
I put Tabasco on cottage cheese...
I've never had that but it sounds pretty good.
Stunt Woman |
07.10.09 - 1:48 pm | #
"Your powers are weak, old man."
C/T, translator |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:48 pm | #
Yeah, but you've got all those hills, makes it harder. Of course, you don't really have the equipment for it, either.
And it doesn't help when the only roads they plow are the ones between the mayor and deputy mayor's houses and city hall.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 1:48 pm | #
Yeah, but you've got all those hills, makes it harder. Of course, you don't really have the equipment for it, either.
And it doesn't help when the only roads they plow are the ones between the mayor and deputy mayor's houses and city hall.
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 1:48 pm | #
My friend lived in DC, and during one of their storms it looked like only Mayor McCrackhead/Stalker had his driveway/street plowed.
Buckeye ... |
07.10.09 - 1:50 pm | #
Ensign story: It just gets better and better.
"It makes having his parents pay the couple off sound far less out of character.
And this was a man who was going to run for president."
You should meet the people who would have enthusiastically voted for him.
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QuentinCompson, Retributionary |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:50 pm | #
JP, I've told you that Curly looks very much like Marv, my ex's cat. But LarryElvis looks a lot like my expired kitty, Kayenta.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 1:50 pm | #
Nothing quite like the thrill of your car doing multiple 360s on black ice.
Ooh...that's 'fun'.
With that, I've gotta go pick up my wife. Later.
AndyG |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:51 pm | #
Off to lunch. Anyone want some Moo Goo Gai Pan?
Buckeye ... |
07.10.09 - 1:51 pm | #
Still remember a CNN clip of a bus in Atlanta doing one on an overpass, all four lanes to himself.
bo, apostate |
07.10.09 - 1:51 pm | #
I love Moo Goo Gai Pan.
But I have home made chicken-chile enchiladas for lunch today (only another hour until lunch!).
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 1:52 pm | #
Hey, kids! remember all of Bush's "signing statements" where he basically told Congress to fuck off and die, over and over and over again?
Good times, good times...
Obama? Not so lucky:
As The Hill notes in its headline: House overwhelmingly rejects signing statement.
Senior Democrats and Republicans railed against the notion that the president could ignore a law they had passed and he had signed.
"We do this not just on behalf of this institution, but on behalf of this democracy," said Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.). "There's kind of a unilateralism, an undemocratic, unreachable way about these signing statements."
Wow, that Levi Johnston is the gift that just keeps on giving. Like the jam of the month club.
B1 Bummer |
07.10.09 - 1:54 pm | #
There's some a bit strange about a democracy that only functions when one party is in the Executive branch.
C/T, translator |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:55 pm | #
There's some a bit strange about a democracy that only functions when one party is in the Executive branch.
It is just as the Founders envisioned it.
NTodd,שלו |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 1:56 pm | #
There's some a bit strange about a democracy that only functions when one party is in the Executive branch.
C/T, translator | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 1:55 pm | #
This Ensign guy is just pathetic. Remember when politicians regularly resigned in disgraced when they got caught fucking out of school? This sleazardo even had his parents pay hush money, and got caught! So of course, he'll just brazen it out. Damn, Neut Gingretch must be pissed. If only he'd just ignored the whole thing, he could have kept his job.
B1 Bummer |
07.10.09 - 1:58 pm | #
i thought gingrich got newtered by the republicans.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 1:59 pm | #
Signing statements completely illegitimate. Of course, the next repug that gets in will do it and probably press for line-item vetos as well. IOKIYAR.
B1 Bummer |
07.10.09 - 1:59 pm | #
Who ordered the Huevos Armstrong?
bo, apostate |
07.10.09 - 1:59 pm | #
i guess im glad that congress finally stood up for itself.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 1:59 pm | #
I'm glad they pushed back on the signing statement. It read like something straight out of Bush playbook, but where the hell were they when Bush signed 800+ of them?
Libby, |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 2:00 pm | #
Seems like Ensign will have to drop out if this "gift" gets the attention of the IRS like it should.
Too bad Jim Gibbons is gov of NV, otherwide we could have 61 dems in the senate if a D were gov.... and doesn't Gibbons have his own affair issue?
smarty jones |
07.10.09 - 2:00 pm | #
i guess im glad that congress finally stood up for itself.
I was hoping the Leg would reassert itself as the pre-eminent branch.
NTodd,שלו |
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07.10.09 - 2:01 pm | #
but where the hell were they when Bush signed 800+ of them?
Libby,
Those were completely different. Those signing statements were necessary for the preservation of the universe as we know it. Without them, all life would have ceased to exist.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
07.10.09 - 2:02 pm | #
Vote for Big Sam Penis, republican for congress!
B1 Bummer |
07.10.09 - 2:02 pm | #
actually, that signing statement i agree with.
Sems like Obama is on solid ground there.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:02 pm | #
Nothing quite like the thrill of your car doing multiple 360s on black ice.
bo, apostate
I did a 360...on my driver's test....and passed!
dmark |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 2:02 pm | #
if you do the 360 fast enough, no one will notice.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:03 pm | #
Good for him. Signing statements are Teh Lame, no matter whose they are.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 1:57 pm | #
Absolutely! Woulda been nice if they had made the same gesture when Chimpo was Preznit, but still.
abyssgazer |
07.10.09 - 2:04 pm | #
It was especially cute when "Good Morning, Morons" was wasting everybody's time this morning trying to make up some story about Obama checking out some lady's ass. And these paramecia get paid for this.
B1 Bummer |
07.10.09 - 2:04 pm | #
Seems like Ensign will have to drop out if this "gift" gets the attention of the IRS like it should.
Can the IRS do anything? Seems like those gifts are within the letter of the law.
BlueinColorado |
07.10.09 - 2:04 pm | #
actually, that signing statement i agree with.
The content is irrelevant. The medium is the problem.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
07.10.09 - 2:04 pm | #
I'm particularly not fond of a foot of snow, layered by 4" ice then another foot of snow.
ErinPDX |
Homepage |
07.10.09 - 2:05 pm | #
The content is irrelevant. The medium is the problem.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 2:04 pm | # [kill][hid
er the content is directly relevant.
COngress cannot pass laws outside of their constitutional scope.
instead of a signing statement, Obama could have jsut ignored it, i guess.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:05 pm | #
Erin: who would be? and in July?
nick carraway |
07.10.09 - 2:05 pm | #
I'm particularly not fond of a foot of snow, layered by 4" ice then another foot of snow.
ErinPDX
In Wisconsin we call that "spring".
dmark |
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07.10.09 - 2:06 pm | #
there are some days in july and august when a foot of snow sounds like heaven.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:07 pm | #
In Wisconsin we call that "spring".
dmark
Heh.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
07.10.09 - 2:07 pm | #
It's the 4" ice that sounds sucky to me...
nick carraway |
07.10.09 - 2:08 pm | #
slartibart.....not hurricanes. Typhoons.
In the eastern Pacific region -- including Hawaii -- they are still called hurricanes.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair |
07.10.09 - 2:08 pm | #
1/16" of ice is teh suxx0rz. 4" just takes longer to melt.
COngress cannot pass laws outside of their constitutional scope.
instead of a signing statement, Obama could have jsut ignored it, i guess.
euphronius failure | 07.10.09 - 2:05 pm |
I'm no expert on constitutional law, but it read to me as being pretty broad assertion of exec privilege. I think they have a legit use to address narrower constitutional conflicts.
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07.10.09 - 2:09 pm | #
Libby, : I'm glad they pushed back on the signing statement. It read like something straight out of Bush playbook, but where the hell were they when Bush signed 800+ of them?
That was my point. Sign the bill, don't sign the bill, fine, but don't attach a Post-it saying, "neener, neener".
So while I'm a little peeved at Obama for trying this bullshit trick, OTOH he had to try, and now we know that signing statements are dead, dead, dead. At least as long as there is a Dem president.
And the House can go fuck themselves for never standing up to Bush like this.
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Meander |
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07.10.09 - 2:09 pm | #
COngress cannot pass laws outside of their constitutional scope.
Actually, they can. They also have the power to determine their Constitutional scope, and if they muster enough votes they will pass what they want.
Then the President can sign or veto.
And challenges can ultimately make it to SCOTUS, who can review.
NTodd,שלו |
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07.10.09 - 2:09 pm | #
I was hoping the Leg would reassert itself as the pre-eminent branch.
Oi. Can that wait until we get one that isn't conditioned to lick corporate boots?
dan mcenroe |
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07.10.09 - 2:10 pm | #
The one that took out Kauai last time, during an el Nino, was called Hurricane Iniki
slartibartfast |
07.10.09 - 2:10 pm | #
I was hoping the Leg would reassert itself as the pre-eminent branch.
heh heh... let's not get ahead of ourselves.
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 2:10 pm | #
Can the IRS do anything? Seems like those gifts are within the letter of the law.
BlueinColorado
The problem, I think, is that while the payoff was structured as a gift, it may be illegal if it was intended to buy silence, which appears to be the case. Kinda like laundering money with deposits under $10k to try to avoid scruntiny.
smarty jones |
07.10.09 - 2:11 pm | #
Typhicanes.
What about the people who call them cyclones, hater?
dan mcenroe |
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07.10.09 - 2:11 pm | #
fine. they can pass laws but they are void.
the president can sign and ignore the void parts
challenges on political questions are unlikely. regardless, the president is as equal and interpreter on constitutionality as the SC on these issues.
Bush's were just WRONG and EXTREME. this one of obama's is fine.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:11 pm | #
In the eastern Pacific region -- including Hawaii -- they are still called hurricanes.
Ya learn something every day...but didn't you mean the western Pacific? I live near the US continental coast, which as I understand it IS the eastern Pacific.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 2:12 pm | #
What about the people who call them cyclones, hater?
dan mcenroe | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:11 pm | #
Those are Australians.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair |
07.10.09 - 2:12 pm | #
hurrafoons.
pretzel
The honey-monster in Winnie the Pooh?
The problem, I think, is that while the payoff was structured as a gift, it may be illegal if it was intended to buy silence, which appears to be the case.
But wouldn't they have to prove that the senior Ensigns knew this was their son's intent? It was, and they probably did, but it would be damn hard to prove.
BlueinColorado |
07.10.09 - 2:13 pm | #
Those are Australians.
Oh. That's different. Never mind.
dan mcenroe |
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07.10.09 - 2:13 pm | #
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Singer Michael Jackson took more than 10 Xanax pills a night, asking his employees to get the prescription medicine under their names and also personally traveling to doctors' offices in other states to obtain them, said a confidential document from 2004 that CNN obtained Thursday.
The document from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department contains confidential interviews conducted with two of Jackson's former security guards as officials prepared for Jackson's child molestation trial in 2005.
The singer was acquitted after the 14-week trial. But the information about the pills, and the lengths Jackson went to get them, adds to a growing mountain of claims tying the insomniac singer to drugs in recent days.
What's amazing is that in spite of all his personal problems and other committments, he was a still a great father to his children.
One of his many natural talents, I guess.
Stunt Woman |
07.10.09 - 2:13 pm | #
the point is, this statement by Obama is pretty moderate. he is just saying Congress has no power interfering with his exclusive power to conduct foreign affairs. and that is a pretty moderate and founded opinion.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:13 pm | #
asking his employees to get the prescription medicine under their names and also personally traveling to doctors' offices in other states to obtain them,
OT, but can anybody explain to me why on Dog's green earth I bought HP desktops a couple of years ago? Damn things don't have BIOS updates available, and no other support seems to exist, besides Replace It.
OTOH, I just kicked my Shuttle sn68sg2 up to 3.1 GHz and it crackles!
minusp |
07.10.09 - 2:15 pm | #
well i would hope they would interfere with initiating baseless wars.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:15 pm | #
Ya learn something every day...but didn't you mean the western Pacific? I live near the US continental coast, which as I understand it IS the eastern Pacific.
That's what I said -- eastern Pacific = hurricanes. The storms that form in the eastern Pacific -- mainly near the Pacific coast of Mexico -- are called hurricanes. That nomenclature carries basically to the International Date Line. Those that form on the other side of the international date line (i.e. in the western Pacific) are called typhoons -- unless they form in the southern region near Australia, in which case, they are called cyclones.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair |
07.10.09 - 2:16 pm | #
euph,
Without further research, I agree, although I am troubled by the general concept of signing a law but with the caveat that a President can ignore certain parts.
Bush turned into an art form, then into a habit, then a whole new way of governing.
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 2:16 pm | #
they could stop funding them.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:17 pm | #
Bush's were just WRONG and EXTREME. this one of obama's is fine.
euphronius failure
That's if you accept the premise that executive signing statements modifying legislation are okay.
I'd rather just do away with those signing statements altogether.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
07.10.09 - 2:17 pm | #
The Senate 'thuglicans are just not that bright.
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Senate Republicans have quite the line up of opposition witnesses set to go next week during the Sotomayor confirmation hearings, including Frank Ricci, the New Haven firefighter who just won his reverse discrimination case after taking it all the way to the Supreme Court.
What I didn't know is that, as Brian Beutler explains at TPMDC, Ricci landed a job with the fire department back in 1997 as part of a settlement of his own regular old discrimination suit (he has dyslexia). Not exactly the guy you would expect the GOP to make a poster boy for all of us "oppressed" white men. --David Kurtz
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They must piss all over themselves in the Senate Restrooms.
bo, apostate |
07.10.09 - 2:17 pm | #
Those are Australians
A cyclone ate my baby!
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
07.10.09 - 2:18 pm | #
the president is as equal and interpreter on constitutionality as the SC on these issues.
Which is where the veto power comes in.
NTodd,שלו |
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07.10.09 - 2:18 pm | #
they could stop funding them.
euphronius failure | 07.10.09 - 2:17 pm | #
yeah but that still leaves the president too free to embroil the us in entanglements.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:18 pm | #
That's what I said -- eastern Pacific = hurricanes. The storms that form in the eastern Pacific -- mainly near the Pacific coast of Mexico -- are called hurricanes. That nomenclature carries basically to the International Date Line. Those that form on the other side of the international date line (i.e. in the western Pacific) are called typhoons -- unless they form in the southern region near Australia, in which case, they are called cyclones.
So is Hawaii considered to be in the eastern or western Pacific?
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 2:19 pm | #
if all Obama is saying is that he is not applying the unconstitutional parts, so be it.
that is different that saying "i dont like this valid law, and refuse to apply it"
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:19 pm | #
Bush turned into an art form, then into a habit, then a whole new way of governing.
Only takes one SOB fucking around to screw it up for everybody...
billy b |
07.10.09 - 2:19 pm | #
yes euph but in bush's hands they are one and the same.
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 2:20 pm | #
They must piss all over themselves in the Senate Restrooms.
bo, apostate
Larry Craig helps them out with that.
minusp |
07.10.09 - 2:20 pm | #
yeah bush showed how fragile our govt can be.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:20 pm | #
That's if you accept the premise that executive signing statements modifying legislation are okay.
I'd rather just do away with those signing statements altogether.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 2:17 pm | # [kill][hid
He isnt not modifying it.
the unconstitutional parts are void.
I would agree that modifying valid legislation would be a huge problem. which is what Bush did A LOT.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:20 pm | #
So is Hawaii considered to be in the eastern or western Pacific?
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 2:19 pm | #
Eastern. It is to the east of the International Date Line.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair |
07.10.09 - 2:20 pm | #
Help! I've been locked out of the CCR registry!
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.10.09 - 2:21 pm | #
Senate Republicans have quite the line up of opposition witnesses set to go next week during the Sotomayor confirmation hearings, including Frank Ricci, the New Haven firefighter who just won his reverse discrimination case after taking it all the way to the Supreme Court.
Regardless of his personal story, what does he really have to contribute to the hearing. The legal reasoning of Sotomayor's decision was sound enough to get the support of 4 out of 9 Supreme Court justices, and Mr. Ricci has no legal expertise. I guess they intend to parade him as a victim, but he's hardly suffered.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.10.09 - 2:22 pm | #
yeah he's just there for empath- i mean, for his vast legal skills.
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 2:22 pm | #
look, lets say congress passed a 500 billion dollar budget or whatever and one of the clauses in it directed President Obama to crown Derek Jeter as "King of Siam"
would Obama have to do that?
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:23 pm | #
Regardless of his personal story, what does he really have to contribute to the hearing.
He's a part of a three ring circus.
billy b |
07.10.09 - 2:23 pm | #
GWPDA is no fortunate son
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 2:23 pm | #
eek!
f-f-f-f-f-f-frothing, r-r-r-r-r-ranting "global warming" religionist James Hansen bashes W-W-W-W-Waxman-Markey!
"The fact is that the climate course set by Waxman-Markey is a disaster course. Their bill is an astoundingly inefficient way to get a tiny reduction of emissions. It's less than worthless, because it will delay by at least a decade starting on a path that is fundamentally sound from the standpoints of both economics and climate preservation...."
Well he could refuse to sign such a bill, or alternately, refuse to do it, and let them try to make him.
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 2:24 pm | #
quiet worn out tho, indulged in a spot of retail therapy as well while I was in Bath
Moonbootica, Avout |
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07.10.09 - 2:25 pm | #
I think the president should have singing statements.
smarty jones |
07.10.09 - 2:25 pm | #
i dont see what the signing statement adds.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:25 pm | #
In response to my letter to Senator Carper
These reforms are meaningful and represent a significant shift in our
health care system. However, I do think that if these reforms are not
enough to keep the insurance companies honest, and they may not be, then
there should be an alternative for consumers. As I mentioned, there is
no clear consensus on what the public plan would look like - some favor
a Medicare-style program but with higher reimbursement rates, others
favor a co-op health insurance provider that is owned and operated by
the patients, rather than by a for-profit corporation. Another option is
to wait a set amount of time, and if the reforms have not resulted in
quality affordable health care for those currently without it, then the
public plan would take effect.
Weasley son of a bitch.
QL- |
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07.10.09 - 2:25 pm | #
He isnt not modifying it.
I misunderstood, and should clarify. Signing statements that don't substantively affect legislation, I don't have a problem with. Like something saying, "This bill declaring the awesomeness of puppies is the coolest thing ever, and it is a pleasure to sign it into law."
But anything of the "The executive branch shall construe..." nature, not so much.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
07.10.09 - 2:25 pm | #
Well he could refuse to sign such a bill, or alternately, refuse to do it, and let them try to make him.
C/T, translator | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:24 pm | #
exactly.
and his refusal to do it would be solid and I would be persuaded by its validity.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:25 pm | #
Like Harry Reasoner in the infamous CBS "Hippie Temptation" newscast, the sociologists at RedState have identified a signifier of the forthcoming apocalypse: young men with beards and red shirts.
they dont even need to do them. its just formal conversation with Congress and the world.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:27 pm | #
Oops, should be "loud" shirts, not "red" shirts.
Stunt Woman |
07.10.09 - 2:27 pm | #
lol is that why he cant type.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:27 pm | #
Strange, I've been listening to Creedence Clearwater Revival for years, I've never had to register....
Gummo |
07.10.09 - 2:27 pm | #
Euph, seems to me President Obama does not have the Constitutional authority to decide, on his own, what is and is not Constitutional. I believe that power rests with the courts.
QL- |
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07.10.09 - 2:28 pm | #
One could argue that once a President has signed it, is law, and he is bound to enforce it.
Except his oath is to the Constitution, so I would probably only accept such an argument on those grounds.
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 2:28 pm | #
they dont even need to do them. its just formal conversation with Congress and the world.
And when Bush signed all his statements the message was "Fuck You! heh heh heh".
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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07.10.09 - 2:28 pm | #
I don't think that word 'religion' means what you think it means.....
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 2:28 pm | #
Strange, I've been listening to Creedence Clearwater Revival for years, I've never had to register....
The royalties business is becoming more of a pain in the ass.
AndyG |
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07.10.09 - 2:28 pm | #
hums rollin on the river to self
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:28 pm | #
gummo's got mail.
billy b |
07.10.09 - 2:28 pm | #
Euph, seems to me President Obama does not have the Constitutional authority to decide, on his own, what is and is not Constitutional. I believe that power rests with the courts.
QL-
Your pre-9/11 thinking is going to get you in trouble some day, young lady!
Gummo |
07.10.09 - 2:29 pm | #
Weasley son of a bitch.
QL-
don't let stoat hear you say that.
Ali |
07.10.09 - 2:29 pm | #
similar to a judicial opinion attached to an order. the opinion adds nothing really, but adds to the persuasive power and communication of the act.
opinions also create precedent in a way. so not exact - but still.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:29 pm | #
not enough/too much/the wrong thing.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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07.10.09 - 2:29 pm | #
gummo's got mail.
billy b
Gummo's at work.
Gummo will see his mail when he gets home?
Gummo |
07.10.09 - 2:29 pm | #
QL - one could argue the Prez is i in fact obliged to make such decisions, as part of his oath.
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 2:30 pm | #
well it seems to me that the nature of signing statements is a little vague, right now.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:30 pm | #
sociologists at RedState have identified a signifier of the forthcoming apocalypse: young men with beards and red shirts.
One of my favorite lines in Hammett's "Red Harvest" -- the Continental Op spots a guy wearing a red tie: "Does that tie mean anything?" And it does -- the guy's a union man.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair |
07.10.09 - 2:30 pm | #
not enough/too much/the wrong thing.
The Old Man From Scene 24
Five whole months, and he still has not addressed Issue X.
minusp |
07.10.09 - 2:31 pm | #
In his pomp he was known as the "minister for cocaine", a corrupt and ruthless military despot who collaborated with drug cartels and terrorised Bolivia.
Luis Arce-Gómez, interior minister in the Andean nation's 1980-81 dictatorship, made an infamous warning to foes to "walk around with their wills under their arms".
But when the former burly colonel returned home yesterday he was a shrivelled, white-haired figure too feeble to even walk into the prison where he is expected to end his days.
The United States has deported the 71-year-old to face justice in Bolivia after he spent almost 20 years in a Florida prison for drug trafficking.
Arce-Gómez, who once recruited the Nazi Klaus Barbie as an adviser, faces 30 years in La Paz's Chonchocoro prison for at least eight crimes including genocide and political assassinations.
pre-9/11 thinking. . . de minimus non curat lex. . .
Just Anonymous |
07.10.09 - 2:31 pm | #
Euph, seems to me President Obama does not have the Constitutional authority to decide, on his own, what is and is not Constitutional. I believe that power rests with the courts.
QL-
the executive is a coequal branch. its interpretation of the constitution is as valid as any other branch. the supreme court only has the "last word" in justiciable cases and controversies. and that is a bit of case law in itself. I suppose it is persuasive that that power is "built in" to the constitution, but it is not explicit.
still Congress and the executive can override the supreme court so . . .
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:32 pm | #
Hearing Bush do a singing statement was truly horrible.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
07.10.09 - 2:32 pm | #
The Consitution is not a suicide pact and the President's duty to the country is to ignore the Constitution if adhering to its strict interpretation would harm the country's interest.
Professor George Abu-Yoo |
07.10.09 - 2:32 pm | #
Moonbootica, you missed a very helpful compendium of what exactly R. Kelly wants to do to his listeners:
as you can see by now, I think teh American executive is WAY too powerful.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:33 pm | #
yeah, im a little leery of presidents deciding what is constitutional, after 8 years of bush. i know obama is a better guy, but still...
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:34 pm | #
Gummo's at work.
Gummo will see his mail when he gets home?
The suspense will kill Gummo.
dan mcenroe |
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07.10.09 - 2:34 pm | #
QL - one could argue the Prez is i in fact obliged to make such decisions, as part of his oath.
C/T
Then he can veto. I know the real world practicalities of doing so and so understand the reluctance to start a political war over this. But he is not the king.
QL- |
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07.10.09 - 2:34 pm | #
Just found out that someone I know is going to be on a reality show.
Hesiod |
07.10.09 - 2:35 pm | #
although I am troubled by the general concept of signing a law but with the caveat that a President can ignore certain parts.
Bush turned into an art form, then into a habit, then a whole new way of governing.
exactly. Plus the fact that though while I often don't like it, all of those parts were included in order for Congress to actually pass whatever bill it is. I'd prefer if they would take one issue at a time and quit combining shit, but the whole "democracy/comprise" thing is lost if a president can pick and choose what parts he likes.
In other words, it is fucking bullshit Obama. Didn't he promise to do away with signing statements or was I just high on The Decemberists?
ErinPDX |
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07.10.09 - 2:35 pm | #
Tried to establish an unconstitutional oglearchy.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 2:33 pm | #
ok say he vetoes and teh bill is passed over his veto. he still does not have to enforce the parts he finds unconstitutional.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:35 pm | #
well power is a powerful seducer
Moonbootica, Avout |
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07.10.09 - 2:36 pm | #
Tried to establish an unconstitutional oglearchy.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 2:33 pm | #
euphronius : ok say he vetoes and teh bill is passed over his veto. he still does not have to enforce the parts he finds unconstitutional.
Hi - not a lawyer, here, but that sounds like grounds for impeachment at that point.
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Meander |
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07.10.09 - 2:37 pm | #
as you can see by now, I think teh American executive is WAY too powerful.
euphronius failure
But is that a constitutional issue or a social issue? The constitution hasn't changed, but the other branches of gov't have become way too deferential to the executive. I think that's partly b/c media coverage tends to focus on the president; I'm not sure.
Local/state gov't has way more opportunity to and is way more likely to make your life hell but you see almost no reporting on it.
dan mcenroe |
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07.10.09 - 2:37 pm | #
he still does not have to enforce the parts he finds unconstitutional.
There is that pesky part of the oath of office that says something about "faithfully execute the laws."
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair |
07.10.09 - 2:38 pm | #
In other words, it is fucking bullshit Obama. Didn't he promise to do away with signing statements or was I just high on The Decemberists?
ErinPDX
I thought he did as well and I don't even know who or what the fucking Decemberists are.
QL- |
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07.10.09 - 2:38 pm | #
well politicians say all sorts of things to get elected
cynical I know but thats the way they play it
Moonbootica, Avout |
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07.10.09 - 2:38 pm | #
But is that a constitutional issue or a social issue? The constitution hasn't changed, but the other branches of gov't have become way too deferential to the executive. I think that's partly b/c media coverage tends to focus on the president; I'm not sure.
Local/state gov't has way more opportunity to and is way more likely to make your life hell but you see almost no reporting on it.
dan mcenroe | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:37 pm | # [k
both.
the War Powers Act was a major capitulation, dont forget.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:39 pm | #
Tried to establish an unconstitutional oglearchy.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 2:33 pm | #
Libby, | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:35 pm | #
Oh, that was a good one - had to read it three times.
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Meander |
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07.10.09 - 2:39 pm | #
If anyone in the Chicago are gets a chance to listen to 670 AM (The Score) today please do. The on air co-host Steve Rosenbloom is drunk and sounds it. The show came on at 1pm and goes till 6pm. Should be an enjoyable listen.
Unrepentant Fenian |
07.10.09 - 2:39 pm | #
the executive is stronger than it used to be.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:39 pm | #
Didn't he promise to do away with signing statements
You're asking me to remember back that far? So hazy......
But I do seem to recall something along those lines. I also recall something about getting rid of DADT and DOMA, also.
Tlazolteotl |
07.10.09 - 2:39 pm | #
Why is there never a sardine or a John around when you need one.
QL- |
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07.10.09 - 2:39 pm | #
Chicago are = Chicago area
Unrepentant Fenian |
07.10.09 - 2:39 pm | #
well impeachment is in the Constitution, too.
Ideally, I would like to see such issues resolved, if they must be, by the Scotus, which at least has 9 men and women educated in the law, as opposed to Congress and the President.
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 2:40 pm | #
There is that pesky part of the oath of office that says something about "faithfully execute the laws."
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair | 07.10.09 - 2:38 pm | #
He's not doing enough to enforce DOMA?
Anonymous |
07.10.09 - 2:40 pm | #
Hi - not a lawyer, here, but that sounds like grounds for impeachment at that point.
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Meander | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:37 pm | # [kil
the War Powers Act was a major capitulation, dont forget.
euphronius failure
Yes - I don't know why anyone got behind that. Why be in the Senate if you're going to give away all your authority?
dan mcenroe |
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07.10.09 - 2:41 pm | #
There is that pesky part of the oath of office that says something about "faithfully execute the laws."
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair | 07.10.09 - 2:38 pm
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well, an unconstitutional law is void . .so no problem there.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:41 pm | #
Ideally, I would like to see such issues resolved, if they must be, by the Scotus, which at least has 9 men and women educated in the law, as opposed to Congress and the President.
C/T, translator | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:40 pm | #
Really? You want the body that produced Cruikshank and Bush v Gore and decided that it was unconstitutional to limit child labor to be the final arbiter?
Anonymous |
07.10.09 - 2:41 pm | #
Time for an angry mob of DC residents to storm the WaPo offices and defenestrate all the editors.
Not until the space underneath the windows is properly prepared with a bed of spikes, wooden or metal.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
07.10.09 - 2:41 pm | #
i would like to see a sup ct ruling on the way bush used signing statements. well, after obama appoints another rational person to the court (assuming sotomayor is confirmed).
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:42 pm | #
they are insane! - A man died this morning after being gored in the neck and lung during the famous San Fermin running of the bulls fiesta in the northern Spanish city of Pamplona.
The runner, Daniel Gimeno Romero, 27, from Alcalá de Henares, near Madrid, was one of more than a dozen people rushed to hospital after one of the most dangerous runs in recent years. Nobody had died as a result of goring since 1995 during the annual San Fermin fiesta, in which half-tonne bulls charge along an 850-metre course through the city's streets with a crowd of runners.
The victim was taken straight into the operating theatre but doctors were unable to save him. He had been on holiday with his parents and girlfriend, who identified him. Early reports that the dead man was British turned out to be incorrect.
If anyone in the Chicago are gets a chance to listen to 670 AM (The Score) today please do. The on air co-host Steve Rosenbloom is drunk and sounds it.
Shouldn't he be sticking to covering poker and writing that horseshit blog of his?
DJ |
07.10.09 - 2:42 pm | #
Ideally, I would like to see such issues resolved, if they must be, by the Scotus, which at least has 9 men and women educated in the law, as opposed to Congress and the President.
C/T, translator | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:40 pm | #
This striking image is damning evidence of Obama's notorious obsession with kleenex.
Stunt Woman |
07.10.09 - 2:42 pm | #
well, an unconstitutional law is void . .so no problem there.
IIRC it's not void until SCOTUS declares it unconstitutional and, therefore, void.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair |
07.10.09 - 2:43 pm | #
the executive is stronger than it used to be.
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 2:39 pm | #
Everyone says that, but Wilson's War and Red Scare was pretty damn strong.
Anonymous |
07.10.09 - 2:43 pm | #
Ideally, I would like to see such issues resolved, if they must be, by the Scotus, which at least has 9 men and women educated in the law, as opposed to Congress and the President.
C/T
Real world, that would suck up all the energy and movement and nothing else would get done. Instead of fighting about health care reform or a new stimulus we would all be arguing the power of the unitary presidency. Hence the signing statement. I understand the motive and even the necessity, but I still don't like it.
QL- |
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07.10.09 - 2:43 pm | #
i would like to see a sup ct ruling on the way bush used signing statements. well, after obama appoints another rational person to the court (assuming sotomayor is confirmed).
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 2:42 pm | # [kill][hide c
thats either a political question, which the SC wont touch, or no one has standing to challenge it.
there are elections you know.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:43 pm | #
IIRC it's not void until SCOTUS declares it unconstitutional and, therefore, void.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair | 07.10.09 - 2:43
no. the SC only has jurisdiction on a small small number of issues of limited scope. and even then, they avoid political questions.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:45 pm | #
there are elections you know.
euphronius failure
Elections are biased in favor of the person who gets the most votes.
Gummo |
07.10.09 - 2:45 pm | #
A man died this morning after being gored in the neck and lung during the famous San Fermin running of the bulls fiesta in the northern Spanish city of Pamplona.
The runner, Daniel Gimeno Romero, 27, from Alcalá de Henares, near Madrid, was one of more than a dozen people rushed to hospital after one of the most dangerous runs in recent years. Nobody had died as a result of goring since 1995 during the annual San Fermin fiesta, in which half-tonne bulls charge along an 850-metre course through the city's streets with a crowd of runners.
I'm always happy to hear about a victory for the animals.
This summer has been a disappointing one for zoo and circus attacks.
Stunt Woman |
07.10.09 - 2:45 pm | #
You folks hit on something up there about that War Powers Act that I had not thought of before.
Does that mean that we paid salaries to Senators all those years and continue to do so, yet they are muted?
PeasantParty,MADEINUSA |
07.10.09 - 2:45 pm | #
I know they take long lunches in socialist countries, but this is ridiculous.
pie |
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07.10.09 - 2:46 pm | #
I have sardines in the pantry. Some very nice, fat Portuguese ones.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.10.09 - 2:46 pm | #
thats either a political question, which the SC wont touch, or no one has standing to challenge it.
well i think he went way beyond his constitutional authority in the way he used them. that looks to me like a legal question.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:46 pm | #
CIA Director Leon Panetta has terminated a "very serious" covert program the spy agency kept secret from Congress for eight years, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, a House Intelligence subcommittee chairwoman, said Friday.
Schakowsky is pressing for an immediate committee investigation of the classified program, which has not been described publicly. Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, has said he is considering an investigation.
"The program is a very, very serious program and certainly deserved a serious debate at the time and through the years," Schakowsky told The Associated Press in an interview. "But now it's over."
I wanna see this shit play out on TV so this country has some idea of how reckless the former admin was. I don't give a fuck if they cut into "General Hospital"...air it.
AndyG |
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07.10.09 - 2:46 pm | #
The runner, Daniel Gimeno Romero, 27, from Alcalá de Henares, near Madrid, was one of more than a dozen people rushed to hospital after one of the most dangerous runs in recent years.
"The rolled up newspaper, It does nothing!"
Unrepentant Fenian |
07.10.09 - 2:46 pm | #
This striking image is damning evidence of Obama's notorious obsession with kleenex.
Stunt Woman
does the name plate say Mr. Dodo or Mr. Dood?
Ali |
07.10.09 - 2:47 pm | #
Dog pictures from today.
Doug
What a big shmoopyface!
Gummo |
07.10.09 - 2:47 pm | #
basically, COngress impeached Johnson because he refused to carry out Reconstruction.
so yes it has been done.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:47 pm | #
well i think he went way beyond his constitutional authority in the way he used them. that looks to me like a legal question.
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 2:46 pm | # [kill][hide com
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Bush gave Tenant the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Unrepentant Fenian |
07.10.09 - 2:47 pm | #
This summer has been a disappointing one for zoo and circus attacks.
Stunt Woman
It will cheer you up to learn that a bear has figured out how to unlatch my garbage shed.
Ali |
07.10.09 - 2:47 pm | #
Given the positions people are taking here, I'm surprised my opinion was controversial.
How else do you propose to resolve a standoff between Congress and the President? Thumb wrestling?
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 2:48 pm | #
no. the SC only has jurisdiction on a small small number of issues of limited scope. and even then, they avoid political questions.
Bullshit. That would leave the President as the only one who could decide if a law was unconstitutional, since the Legislative Branch wouldn't declare it unconstitutional since they passed it.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair |
07.10.09 - 2:48 pm | #
The constitution hasn't changed, but the other branches of gov't have become way too deferential to the executive. I think that's partly b/c media coverage tends to focus on the president; I'm not sure.
Those are some interesting points.
I'm trying to remember what the reaction was to Clinton, particularly as concerns the role of the Executive branch at the time. How much, if at all, was he considered to be affecting its powers/limitations? The fact that Bush and Cheney actively worked to subvert the Constitution and remold the Exec in their twisted image, and the fact that Obama is the first POTUS after them, and therefore, is implicitly expected to either affirm or refute their Exec philosophy might be skewing things.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
07.10.09 - 2:48 pm | #
How else do you propose to resolve a standoff between Congress and the President? Thumb wrestling?
C/T, translator | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:48 pm | # [k
bush, euph. im not saying obama is using them in the same way.
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:48 pm | #
It will cheer you up to learn that a bear has figured out how to unlatch my garbage shed.
Al
Unlatch rather than bash the door in? That is one genteel bear.
dan mcenroe |
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07.10.09 - 2:49 pm | #
Bush gave Tenant the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Unrepentant Fenian
He was a great Doctor Who, but that's a bit much, I think.
Gummo |
07.10.09 - 2:49 pm | #
This summer has been a disappointing one for zoo and circus attacks.
Stunt Woman
It will cheer you up to learn that a bear has figured out how to unlatch my garbage shed.
It's hard to throw away my chinese take-out containers if it's locked, dude.
The Bear |
07.10.09 - 2:49 pm | #
Bullshit. That would leave the President as the only one who could decide if a law was unconstitutional, since the Legislative Branch wouldn't declare it unconstitutional since they passed it.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair | 07.10.09 - 2:48 pm
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but that is exactly the case.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:49 pm | #
Thumb wrestling?
Rock paper scissors.
dan mcenroe |
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07.10.09 - 2:49 pm | #
he should have been impeached in 2002.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:50 pm | #
and therefore, is implicitly expected to either affirm or refute their Exec philosophy might be skewing things.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 2:48 pm | #
well, yes his actions are seen in that context. that's why im so unclear about signing statements, the way they've been used the past several years. are elections the only remedy?
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:50 pm | #
Doug | 07.10.09 - 2:46 pm |
what a cutie.
Libby, |
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07.10.09 - 2:50 pm | #
but that is exactly the case.
Then we have a dictator and not a president.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair |
07.10.09 - 2:51 pm | #
Thumb wrestling?
Rock paper scissors.
dan mcenroe
Rock paper scissors lizard Spock.
Gummo | 07.10.09 - 2:50 pm | #
Then we have a dictator and not a president.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair | 07.10.09 - 2:51 pm |
no COngress has lots of options to reighn him im.'
plus on issues that ARE with the SC scope, they trump the president. there jsut isnt very many.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:52 pm | #
Governor Point Guard and under it in big letters:
"RENEGADE"
She's a Renegade of Funk?
olexicon, mike sass |
07.10.09 - 2:52 pm | #
oops! What're you drinking, gummo?
Ali
A coke is fine.
And I didn't know that some net geeks invented Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock. I got it from the TV show "The Big Bang Theory".
Which is about some net geeks so....
Gummo |
07.10.09 - 2:53 pm | #
"yep, and far too clever. Which reminds me, I need to get a bigger latch today."
Try a combination lock. I find that black bears in particular are neither deft enough to spin the dial nor focused enough to remember combinations of one or two digit numbers. ADHD seems to be a problem with this species.
montanaheadcold |
07.10.09 - 2:53 pm | #
I'm not understanding. My only point is with regard to who should have the final say, ideally, on the matter of what the law is, it's the Supreme Court.
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 2:53 pm | #
What is with the MSM in this country and their love affair with this idiot?
It is based in their contempt for ordinary citizens. They all believe we love this shit because Sarah amuses them.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair |
07.10.09 - 2:53 pm | #
"RENEGADE"
My favorite Styx song from my childhood.
Unrepentant Fenian |
07.10.09 - 2:53 pm | #
oh there is no doubt Bush went way overboard.
he should have been impeached in 2002.
euphronius failure
That wasn't gonna happen.
Since 9-11 elevated his popularity to new heights.
Even though he looked like a deer in the headlights when it happened.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* |
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07.10.09 - 2:53 pm | #
Can i declare this
THREADZILLA
I call him 'Gamblor'!!
AndyG |
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07.10.09 - 2:53 pm | #
also Dan McEnroe, the SC's theories of immunization for the executive branch have grown. that is a big change.
and the adoption of large executive offices using regulatory power is a big change.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:54 pm | #
THREADZILLA
I call him 'Gamblor'!!
AndyG
Zap...You're name has evolved again...are you now "The Nootrious Andy G"
olexicon, mike sass |
07.10.09 - 2:54 pm | #
What is with the MSM in this country and their love affair with this idiot?
It is based in their contempt for ordinary citizens. They all believe we love this shit because Sarah amuses them.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair
It's a patronizing contempt. "Well, WE know she's an idiot, a liar and a thief, but the rubes seem to like her."
Gummo |
07.10.09 - 2:55 pm | #
What is with the MSM in this country and their love affair with this idiot?
It is based in their contempt for ordinary citizens. They all believe we love this shit because Sarah amuses them.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair
Hey, for a long time they were in love with Bush.
They worship The Stoopid.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* |
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07.10.09 - 2:55 pm | #
Try a combination lock.
Yes do. We bears love to rip the lock shackles off things "protected" by them.
Yogi |
07.10.09 - 2:55 pm | #
ADHD seems to be a problem with this species.
montanaheadcold |
Just need a big gate latch. I think that'll stop it. Going to the feed store to see what they've got.
Ali |
07.10.09 - 2:55 pm | #
I'm not understanding. My only point is with regard to who should have the final say, ideally, on the matter of what the law is, it's the Supreme Court.
C/T, translator | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:53 pm | #
i guess. it depends though. paradoxically, that "solution" would istelf be a violation of the constitutional scope of the Supreme Court. so meh.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:55 pm | #
It's nice of Atrios to leave the lunch thread open for the West Coasters.
ThatGuy |
07.10.09 - 2:55 pm | #
I haven't had to declare THREADZILLA in a few years...only when a thread passes 500 can it even hope to be THREADZILLA
olexicon, mike sass |
07.10.09 - 2:55 pm | #
the SC's theories of immunization for the executive branch have grown.
Well, for Republican executives, anyway.
dan mcenroe |
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07.10.09 - 2:56 pm | #
Really? You want the body that produced Cruikshank and Bush v Gore and decided that it was unconstitutional to limit child labor to be the final arbiter?
Anonymous
You read my mind.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* |
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07.10.09 - 2:56 pm | #
Of course, once it can't open the latch, then it *will* tear the wood apart. Sigh.
Ali |
07.10.09 - 2:56 pm | #
but that is exactly the case.
euphronius
Do you need another shovel?
QL- |
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07.10.09 - 2:56 pm | #
I saw Mothra posting on this THREADZILLA so it's all good
olexicon, mike sass |
07.10.09 - 2:57 pm | #
It's nice of Atrios to leave the lunch thread open for the West Coasters. - ThatGuy
Be nice if the tables got bussed after the Easties were done, though.
bo, apostate |
07.10.09 - 2:57 pm | #
This summer has been a disappointing one for zoo and circus attacks.
Stunt Woman
damn sharks are taking the summer off, too.
smarty jones |
07.10.09 - 2:57 pm | #
if the COngress and the president say it is constitutional it is probably constitutional.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:57 pm | #
One of India's leading politicians faced calls hasfor his resignation after more than 100 people died from drinking bootleg alcohol in the western state of Gujarat.
The victims, mostly from the slums of Ahmedabad, Gujarat's largest city, began dying at the start of the week. The death toll has risen to 112 in Gujarat's worst case of moonshine poisoning in a decade. Last year, nearly 170 people died after drinking toxic liquor in southern India.
The affair has escalated into a political crisis for Narendra Modi, a member of the Bharatiya Janata party (BJP) and the state's chief minister, whose appeals for calm have failed to quell public anger.
Such is the scale of the tragedy, doctors have been rushed from across the state to Ahmedabad to help treat 150 critically ill patients in three hospitals.
if the COngress and the president say it is constitutional it is probably constitutional.
euphronius failure
Actually, there's A Very Magic 8-Ball locked in a secure room at the top of the Washington Monument. It's the final arbiter.
Gummo |
07.10.09 - 2:58 pm | #
It's a patronizing contempt. "Well, WE know she's an idiot, a liar and a thief, but the rubes seem to like her."
Gummo
I'm not so sure about that. The smart journos, certainly, but I'd bet the majority of them actually like her. Just like Bush.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
07.10.09 - 2:58 pm | #
So I've been asked for weeks to take this day off of work, so we can go to the Bliss fest.
3pm and the car is still being packed. About 1/3 of our entire worldly possessions is in the van...for a less-than-48 trip. We seem to have another 1/3 of our possessions to go.
This is like...low-grade stand-up comic fodder going on here ^_^
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
07.10.09 - 2:58 pm | #
so, hypothetically, congress learns of bush admin torturing people and is outraged, orders him to stop. he refuses. they get an injuction, it goes to the sup ct. the sup ct cant refuse it for being a political question, can it?
pretzel |
07.10.09 - 2:59 pm | #
i think CT where the SC does its most work in this scheme is governing the relationship between the state and the individual. THERE is think the SC reigns supreme.
w.r.t interbranch kerfuffles, it is just another branch. imho.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 2:59 pm | #
The smart journos, certainly, but I'd bet the majority of them actually like her. Just like Bush.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan
Fuck, that's so scary.
I'd rather our journos were smart people with a bad attitude rather than idiots.
Gummo |
07.10.09 - 2:59 pm | #
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QL- |
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07.10.09 - 3:00 pm | #
lunch is over sheets
cosmosis the shodan |
07.10.09 - 3:00 pm | #
so, hypothetically, congress learns of bush admin torturing people and is outraged, orders him to stop. he refuses. they get an injuction, it goes to the sup ct. the sup ct cant refuse it for being a political question, can it?
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 2:59 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
they cant get an injunction. the president cannot be enjoined in his official duties. that case would never be heard anyway as it is not justciable. Congress cant be a party in taht case.
euphronius failure |
07.10.09 - 3:00 pm | #
What is with the MSM in this country and their love affair with this idiot?
It is based in their contempt for ordinary citizens. They all believe we love this shit because Sarah amuses them.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair
Car chases; stabbings in bars; missing white women; shark attacks; kidnappings; salacious murders.
News is mostly reporting on the freak show aspects of human society. Occasional reporting on a plan to fill potholes makes the rest seem legitimate, because the majority of the news is gossip about who's doing what to whom and how, and what somebody else thinks about it.
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist |
07.10.09 - 3:00 pm | #
Why isn't tragic that Dems have to compromise? Why is democracy tragic?
C/T, translator
Let's ask the Blue Dogs.
Duane V, pissed |
07.10.09 - 3:01 pm | #
One of Harper's chief communications aides, Dimitri Soudas, said he had mistakenly informed the prime minister that comments by an academic about Canada's irrelevance in the G8 were actually Ignatieff's.
The academic said Canada is at risk of being shut out of such international councils.
Harper took those comments and ran with them in both official languages during his closing news conference at the Group of Eight summit.
He accused Ignatieff of being "irresponsible," saying the Liberal leader is "supposed to be a Canadian."
Shortly after the 45-minute news conference ended, Soudas rushed to inform Canadian media that he'd misread an email, wrongly attributed a quote to Ignatieff and then advised the prime minister to comment publicly on the matter.
Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae said that the matter showed Harper's true character.
"I think all Canadians have to recognize that we have the smallest man on the world stage that it's possible to imagine, and that's Stephen Harper," Rae said in an interview.
"He never misses an opportunity to stoop. Not to conquer, just to throw mud."
yes but as I said if such must be resolved, and they need not always be, if someone is going to have the final say, it should be the Scotus.
They got child labor wrong but really either we have the court or we don't.
C/T, translator |
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07.10.09 - 3:02 pm | #
I have yet to pack my suitcase
but I have all my stuff ready
just gotta focus tomorrow, after my manicure and pedicure
Moonbootica, Avout |
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07.10.09 - 3:05 pm | #
Cover of TIME this week:
Cover of Newsweek:
The Meaning of Michael
pie |
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07.10.09 - 3:08 pm | #
Nothing is getting done people. The big money boys are still sticking it to us. Obama is off telling everyone how cool things are. The pubs are telling everyone that the big money boys were well, just boys and to leave them alone. It reminds me of Raygun telling us that big business and banks can police themselves. That really worked well didn't it. It's time to tell Obama to put up or shut up. We need real help out here! We are burning while the Republicans and democrats are fiddling in congress.
Itch-kep-ee |
07.10.09 - 3:45 pm | #
Text A, Text_B
testytester |
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