I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

Lunch is socialist.
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Gravatarlunch should be seen for what it truly is...


Gravatarhttp://ccoaler.blogspot.com/ 2009...benchmarks.html

-Trade gap narrows to smallest in a decade
-Geithner to crack down on derivatives
-Fewer than expected file for unemployment (07.09.2009)


GravatarWhat time IS it there, anyway? Lunchtime? I don't think so...


GravatarIdle thought: If Obama wants to succeed, he had best come home and starting busting heads.

But maybe he does not want to succeed because that would be fucking uncivil and not bipartisan at all. . . .
DWD


GravatarFaster than you can say, Deacon Doctor Tom is a sanctimonious phony.


Gravatarthere's no buffet line!


GravatarPOSTED BY JAC

I'm going to lunch.

POSTED BY JAC


GravatarTypical 'Merkin.

Atrios blogs while the Castilians nap.


GravatarFish eyes and assholes?


Gravatari am not convinced geithner will crack down on anything.


GravatarMoe, where are you now?


Gravatarnoblejoanie, You have mail!
Are you going to the Fete this weekend?


Gravatardid someone post something and claim to be atrios?

POSTED BY PRETZEL


Gravatar(sneaks raw haddock into break room, eyes microwave w/evil grin)


GravatarI'm here to raise awareness of Zeppelin Clauses in everyday contracts. So before you click that next clickthrough license, remember to read whether you have to give notice by way of zeppelin.


GravatarI'd say, does anyone know what time it is, but then someone would feel obliged to post a link to Chicago's stupid song, so I won't.


Gravatar"I think I'm considering everything," Hampton said.

Does that include an affaire d'honneur, and winning?


Gravatara manufactuer of netbooks sends a faxed order form for 1000 processors to a supplier. the quoted price is $25. the supplier faxes back an acceptance form, but the price is list at $30. The supplier ships the processors and they are accepted by the manufacturer.

Can the supplier enforce the $30 price?


Gravatarmicrowave w/evil grin


Stay away from those.
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Gravataratrios just put up this thread because he hates homeowners


Gravatar
(sneaks raw haddock into break room, eyes microwave w/evil grin)


*Eats soggy egg salad sandwich in retaliation*


Gravatarat least i didnt call it the heisenberg. anyway, googling it, it was almost named the hitler.
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 12:06 pm


GravatarGeithner is looking more and more like the punchline to the George Carlin joke about this country being sold off a long time ago.


Gravatar"I'm here to raise awareness of Zeppelin Clauses in everyday contracts. So before you click that next clickthrough license, remember to read whether you have to give notice by way of zeppelin.
Jay C."


OH LORDY! I failed it then. Sheesh! I forgot all about those sneaky trojan zephs!


GravatarCaption?

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20090...3BXL5v22MNDnw--



GravatarFish eyes and assholes? - AndyG

Republicans for $400, Alex.


GravatarNo, Atrios went on vacation in a different, distant time zone not in sync with North America and gave people he knows that we don't keys to open threads at times inconvenient for him.
This I have deduced.


GravatarCan the supplier enforce the $30 price?
euphronius failure


Yes.


GravatarLunch is socialist. Free lunch, doubly so.


GravatarCaption? - Your Coworker

This job is a pain in the ass.


GravatarVancouver is a nice town. People are friendly, the town works because it's lubed with a lot of social grace.

But, having said that, I went solo to a bar last night, set up shop at a table to read. Some dude with no social skills sits at the next table, starting to annoy me with stupid comments, so I got up and sat at the bar. Fifteen minutes goes by, and another dude with no social skills sits next to me, starts annoying me with stupid comments.

Plus, the hamburger had mayo on it.

I'm going back to Halifax.


GravatarWhat time IS it there, anyway? Lunchtime? I don't think so...
dave™©


I think we're on Threadbot3000™ Standard Time...


Gravatarheh notice by zeppelin. i think zeppelins fit in with the steampunk movement or ethos or whatever it is.


Gravatar*consults magical UCC chart retained from law school*


GravatarFun fact - according to a a TV doc on the Hindenburg several made several years ago, the problem was the coating of the fabric cover, which was remarkably similar in chemical composition to solid rocket boosters like those used on the space shuttle. The hydrogen didn't ignite until after the H-burg was already on fire and doomed.


Gravatar"The Family" cites Hitler, Pol Pot, and Lenin as role models.


GravatarYes.
dmark | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:14 pm | # [kill]​[hide comment]


I think yes too. because the "acceptance" fax revoked the first "offer" fax at 25 and the manufactuer's acceptance of the goods was acceptance of the 30$ offer?


GravatarI'm waiting for a thread on Super Zeppelins.


GravatarWASHINGTON - The aircrash that killed entrepreneur Steve Fossett, famed for his daredevil aerial feats, probably was caused by downdrafts that exceeded the ability of his small plane to recover before slamming into a California mountainside, federal safety officials said Thursday.



I know this is kind of mean to say, but I'm really glad Steve Fossett is gone. I really didn't give the slightest fuck about his hot air balloon feats.


GravatarLunch , more like slacker's breakfast


Gravatarlol macacawitz


GravatarZEPPELIN RULES!!!!


Gravatarteh giant puppets are begging for Office Vengeance!

your stapler is history, guys! You hear me?


Gravatarjay C NOT 2-207 because it was a MATERIAL CHANGE

ahahahaahah

fool you!


GravatarI feel certain Atrios knows enough math to determine when it's noon in his home time-zone.


GravatarThe aircrash that killed entrepreneur Steve Fossett, famed for his daredevil aerial feats, probably was caused by downdrafts that exceeded the ability of his small plane to recover before slamming into a California mountainside, federal safety officials said Thursday.

I'm telling ya, those things don't stay up there all by themselves.


Gravatari think youre right euph. you pass. go directly to go.


Gravatar(sneaks raw haddock into break room, eyes microwave w/evil grin)

If it's anything like Tilapia, put it in a covered bowl...


GravatarAwesome Kucinich beatdown of rightwing Friedmanite:

http://crooksandliars.com/logan-...-pummels- doctor


GravatarWho here has inside experience with a Headhunter, Staffing Agency, or Recruiter?


GravatarNo, Atrios went on vacation in a different, distant time zone not in sync with North America

Shorter Plantsman: Atrios is in Barcelona pigging out at a tapas bar.


GravatarOne year Atrios went on vacation. Avedon posted something here and it spread like wildfire all over the internets and attributed to Atrios. I think he wants everyone to see who is posting what is all.


Gravatarok here is 2-207:
a manufactuer of netbooks sends a faxed order form for 1000 processors to a supplier. the quoted price is $25. the supplier faxes back an acceptance form, with an added term which demands arbitration of any dispute on teh K. The supplier ships the processors and they are accepted by the manufacturer.

later, a dispute arises on the K. Can the supplier enforce the arbitration clause?


Gravatari hate mayo on hamburgers. esp texas beef hamburgers, which are bad in themselves.


GravatarWhat's with this exploded fish all over the inside of the microwave?


GravatarPerfect Palin pic...


Gravatarwas it a zeppelin fish?


GravatarZEPPELIN RULES!!!!

Funny story about the band meeting one of the Baron's descendants on an early tour. She was thrilled the family name had been adopted by the band until she saw the album cover.


GravatarWe could set the building on fire...


GravatarI think Levi Johnston has taken it upon himself to call bullshit anytime Palin opens her yap.


Gravatarat least i didnt call it the heisenberg. anyway, googling it, it was almost named the hitler.
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 12:06 pm


Schickelgruber wouldn't fit on the side of it


GravatarMayo is something they should really ask about. Shouldn't just assume that someone would want it. You could put it in a bowl or something, on the side, if you insist. But not right on the hamburger.


Gravatar*Eats soggy egg salad sandwich in retaliation*

Discards banana peel in cubicle wastebasket.


GravatarMerriam-Webster new words for 2009:

Waterboarding - an interrogation technique in which water is forced
into a detainee's mouth and nose so as to induce the sensation of drowning

Earmark - a provision in Congressional legislation that allocates
a specified amount of money for a specific project, program, or organization.

Frenemy - someone who acts like a friend but is really an enemy.

Locavore - one who eats foods grown locally.

Vlogs - a blog that contains video material.

Flash mob - a group of people summoned electronically to a designated
spot at a specified time to perform an indicated action before dispersing.


GravatarI hate ketchup on hamburgers, the parody of blood gets to me. Like Mustard and cheese.


Gravatar*Eats soggy egg salad sandwich in retaliation*

Discards banana peel in cubicle wastebasket.


leaves bottle of salad dressing on top of copier.


GravatarFrenemy - someone who acts like a friend but is really an enemy.

terrible.


GravatarVlogs - videos containing huge wingnut breasts


GravatarMayo on a burger? No.

"Secret Sauce" - maybe. Mayo?

No.


GravatarWe have somebody who always leaves a cup with a teabag in it in the microwave.


Gravatari see my UCC questions have limited appeal.


GravatarThey did have malt vinegar for the fries, tho, so there's that. And the bartender was kinda hot, six drinks in, anyway.


Gravatarlater, a dispute arises on the K. Can the supplier enforce the arbitration clause?
euphronius failure
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maybe I'm hungry. The maker and supplier are mixing up in your problem.


GravatarOne year Atrios went on vacation. Avedon posted something here and it spread like wildfire all over the internets and attributed to Atrios. I think he wants everyone to see who is posting what is all.
mer


GravatarOr the person ordering could ask, "I dunno if you put mayo on your burgers, but if you do, could you hold it on mine?"


GravatarLevi wants to be a movie star.


GravatarObama absolved. Sarkozy, not so much. Up yours with an unpleasant feeling object, Drudge.


GravatarMayo on a burger? No.

What's that shit they use in Utah, mayo and ketchup combo?


GravatarI think Levi Johnston has taken it upon himself to call bullshit anytime Palin opens her yap.
cosmosis the shodan


Now there's a contract law case: If a political grifter promises an adolescent lout that he'll be "taken care of" if he cleans himself up and holds hands with said grifter's pregnant daughter for the cameras, and said pregnant daughter kicks said lout out of governor's mansion, is said grifter obligated to take care of said lout?


GravatarI think 'frenemy' is a very useful word, actually.

You folks don't live in the PNW, there are a lot of really passive-aggressive people here.


Gravatarshelf life, weve moved on to wingnut breasts and condiments.


GravatarMayo on a burger? No.

I like Mayo and Tabasco sauce on my burger.


GravatarYou folks don't live in the PNW, there are a lot of really passive-aggressive people here.

Ever listen to "Prairie Home Companion"?


Gravatarthe half life of UCC questions is 45 seconds.


GravatarWe should make up a few Eschaton words...

Like Atriosed = to hit the big time by being called a wanker several times in one month?

Buttled = to be mocked unrelentingly for being a ignorant troll?

The options are endless.....


GravatarIf life were fair, someone would set up Levi with Santorum's daughter.


GravatarFrenemy - someone who acts like a friend but is really an enemy.

what about 'enemour'

1)someone who treats you like shit but professes to loves you...


GravatarIf your hamburger was from Alberta you would have never had mayonnaise on it.  As you know, mayonnaise properly belongs on the frites.


GravatarYou folks don't live in the PNW, there are a lot of really passive-aggressive people here.
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 12:23 pm | # [kill]​[hide comm
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over here we call them "In-Laws"


GravatarAnd if the burger's being sold in a bar, it really shouldn't have anything but cheese on it.

One man's opinion...


GravatarWhat's that shit they use in Utah, mayo and ketchup combo?
cosmosis the shodan | 07.10.09 - 12:23 pm | #

blaaauuuuggggghhh! geez some of us havent eaten lunch yet.


GravatarOr the person ordering could ask, "I dunno if you put mayo on your burgers, but if you do, could you hold it on mine?"
plantsman


Oh, and I don 't know if you put battery acid on them or not either, but if you do, could you hold it on mine?

And: toothpaste.


GravatarTags, I'm it...

One year Atrios went on vacation. Avedon posted something here and it spread like wildfire all over the internets and attributed to Atrios. I think he wants everyone to see who is posting what is all.
mer
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Especially with all the Gypsies in the palace...


GravatarThe UCC is all orderly and shit, so it's easy to play with.

I had a personal jurisdiction issue recently, that was a fun one. Getting all bar exam.


GravatarBlue cheese salad dressing is good on a burger, but I hate if you go out to eat and order one and some asshole puts butter, or worse, margerine on the bun without asking.


GravatarI try not to, AndyG, I have a problem with that sanctimonious ass who hosts the show.


GravatarIndeed there are, Tlaz -- and the people that tell you "yes" when they mean "no" and don't think another thing about it.


GravatarMayo on a burger? No.

What's that shit they use in Utah, mayo and ketchup combo?
cosmosis the shodan

Thousand Island dressing... it's good!


GravatarI like Mayo and Tabasco sauce on my burger.
Supreme Commander Thor


mayo, and havarti with dill


Gravatar'Mayo on a burger? No.

I like Mayo and Tabasco sauce on my burger.
Supreme Commander Thor'

Be careful. There are diners in Porter County that will report you to the Red Squad if they catch you doing that.


Gravatarfrenemy is bad because it could mean enemy who acts like a friend or friend who acts like an enemy.


GravatarAtriosed already to means to crash a site when he gives it a hit.


GravatarWe had nachos the other day, and they ruined those too. True story: I've lived in Canada five years, and have yet been served a decent plate of nachos.


Gravatarover here we call them "In-Laws"

No, no. I'm talking about everybody, even complete strangers.


GravatarMy, you're a snippy little Canuck today, aren't you?


GravatarYou folks don't live in the PNW, there are a lot of really passive-aggressive people here.
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 12:23 pm

Eugene exempted: we are pleasant, and safe drivers--#8


GravatarWhat's that shit they use in Utah, mayo and ketchup combo?
cosmosis the shodan


Oh, barfalicious...


GravatarWhat's that shit they use in Utah, mayo and ketchup combo?
cosmosis the shodan


Mormonaisse


GravatarHey, Moe, if you still lived in Chico, you could drive down to check this out this weekend...


GravatarThis really is a lunch thread.


Gravatarnot technically friday cat blogging but somehow it seems to belong here. plus, one of my three cats is an orange tabby named "Oscar"


Gravatarand whose idea was it to put a dripping wet wedge of iceberg lettuce on top of my french fries?


GravatarNEW YORK (Reuters Health) – Two Indiana University surveys suggest that vibrator use during sexual encounters is common among American men and women and is linked to better sexual health.

Dr. Debra Herbenick and colleagues surveyed 2,056 women between 18 and 60 years old and found that more than half of the women (52.5%) had used a vibrator, with nearly 1 in 4 having done so in the past month.

Women who used vibrators were more likely to have had gynecologic check up within the past year and were also more likely to have performed a genital self-exam within the past month.
In addition, women who used vibrators, and particularly recent users, reported more desire, arousal, lubrication, and orgasm, and less pain.



GravatarI have a problem with that sanctimonious ass who hosts the show.

Yeah, there's that. I don't listen much, but Upper Midwestern passive-aggressiveness is often the subject of many of his skits, was all I was trying to say.


GravatarWhat's that shit they use in Utah, mayo and ketchup combo?

I have a friend whose mother would call that "thousand island dressing"...


GravatarTry the Hard Rock for decent nachos, moe.

But then go and try to get a donair or a nice chicken shwarma south of the border.


GravatarObama absolved. Sarkozy, not so much. Up yours with an unpleasant feeling object, Drudge. - bo


what, drudge's writing ship of fools couldn't come up with the headline "Tail-gate" for their faux scandal?


GravatarThousand Island dressing... it's good!
ellroon, smolderingwreckian | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:26 pm | #


only if you add the pickles. otherwise, it's just st lawrence seaway dressing.


GravatarWe had nachos the other day, and they ruined those too. True story:
I've lived in Canada five years, and have yet been served a decent
plate of nachos.


Hah!  Do I have to tell my story about the lumps of ground meat boiled in water and served as hamburger?  IN ALBERTA????

I like guacamole on my burgers, however.


GravatarI've lived in Canada five years, and have yet been served a decent plate of nachos.
Moe Szyslak


Hardly a native Canuckistani dish...


GravatarThe act of parting ways with a frenemy is a frenema.


GravatarVancouver is a beautiful city, but like Seattle it rains too much.....and it's hockey team sux.


GravatarMy, you're a snippy little Canuck today, aren't you?
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:26 pm

he has every reason, they served mayo on his hamburger, without asking, like they were assuming people just normally like mayo on their burgers. it's a slippery slope.


GravatarUp yours with an unpleasant feeling object, Drudge.

Why are you rewarding him?


GravatarI have a friend whose mother would call that "thousand island dressing"...
dave™© | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:27 pm | #


mcdonalds calls it "special sauce"


GravatarIt's only 1000 Island if it has sweet relish in it, the bits are the islands.


GravatarAwesome.

Yesterday afternoon, ABC News correspondent Chris Connelly sat down with Michael Jackson's father Joe Jackson -- Jackson's first one-on-one interview since his son's death. A small portion was used on "Nightline" last night, more of it today on "Good Morning America" and insiders tell us the interview may be used in an hour-long "Family Secrets" special Tuesday night.

But it didn't come free.

TVNewser has learned ABC News paid upwards of $200,000 for rights to video featuring Joe and Katherine Jackson - and with it, the interview with Joe Jackson. A source close to the situation tells us the video was shot more than a year ago, "for some kind of reality show project." ABC licensed that footage from the production company and then approached Joe Jackson about getting a current interview "to address everything that's happened in the last couple of weeks," says the source.


GravatarAtriosed already to means to crash a site when he gives it a hit.
C/T, translator

This is good to know...


GravatarI'll bet it's rather difficult to get a decent plate of poutine in the States, also.


GravatarI mean, it's not hard to do nachos right. It's not like you need to go to chef school or whatever.


GravatarI've lived in Canada five years, and have yet been served a decent
plate of nachos.


try ordering a pizza in atlanta.

(disclaimer: marietta pizza on the square is actually pretty good)


Gravatarmcdonalds calls it "special sauce"

"Special" or "secret"? I can never remember...


Gravatarmacacwitz, we have not had any significant rainfall since May 19th.


GravatarI'll bet it's rather difficult to get a decent plate of poutine in the States, also.

Not as much as it should be.  Also.


GravatarI mean, it's not hard to do nachos right. It's not like you need to go to chef school or whatever.

Bag of Fritos and can of cheese sauce, right?


GravatarThanks to the Young Republicans, I learned what a "barracoon" is today.

Yay vocabulary!


GravatarIt's only 1000 Island if it has sweet relish in it, the bits are the islands.
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:29 pm | #

unless they start moving.


Gravatar'I'll bet it's rather difficult to get a decent plate of poutine in the States, also.
Tlazolteotl'

Haggis with poutine and a side of okra. Now that's good eatin'!


GravatarHardly a native Canuckistani dish...

There are lot's of Tex-Mex restaurants in Ottawa and they all suck. Canada doesn't like to import Hispanics. Tons of Hijab wearing types, but no one who can whip up a proper burrito.


Gravatar"Special" or "secret"? I can never remember...
dave™© | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:30 pm | #


special. there's nothing secret about it.

kfc is the one with the secret recipe.


Gravatar"Special" or "secret"? I can never remember...
dave™©


twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucselettucecheesepickles onionsonasesameseedbun


GravatarWhat's this "Obama and the Hottie" story?

Went to look at HuffPo and was blinded by the Pope. Could he look MORE like Palaptine?
~


GravatarIt's only 1000 Island if it has sweet relish in it, the bits are the islands.
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:29 pm | #


those bits are chopped pickles, and i believe i'll have a root beer.


GravatarI've waited tables and cooked in restaurants. It is not common practice to announce what condiments will be used on a burger in advance if it isn't on the menu. People are however, always free to ask what will be served and ask for exceptions or substitutions.


GravatarTons of Hijab wearing types, but no one who can whip up a proper burrito.

Again, Alberta.  Oil industry.  Multiple connexions with Texas.  Alas.


GravatarAtriosed already to means to crash a site when he gives it a hit.
C/T, translator


Probably still in the Internet Lexicon as "Slashdotted", though...


GravatarThe last time I ate at MickyD's I had a "Big and Tasty". 37% of the bastard was calories from fat.


GravatarSweet relish is chopped pickles. Check at the store.


GravatarPeople are however, always free to ask what will be served and ask for exceptions or substitutions.

Yes, I believe in this instance, Moe is being pretty passive-aggressive about the whole thing.


GravatarHah! Do I have to tell my story about the lumps of ground meat boiled in water and served as hamburger? IN ALBERTA????

they have krystal in alberta? i thought it was a southern thing.


GravatarI had nachos at a bar a few months ago. It looked like they had cracked an egg over it, but it was somekind of cheese. It was nasty.

You can get good chicken wings up here though.


GravatarI've been served "nachos" in a Canuck bar that were *only* chips and cheese.

And Canadians seem incapable of putting beans in the nachos, like it's a law or something. Very occasionally I'll get like two thin slices of jalapeno, and the waitress will warn me about them being "spicy."

It's so very, very sad.


Gravatar macacawitz : There are lot's of Tex-Mex restaurants in Ottawa and they all suck. Canada doesn't like to import Hispanics. Tons of Hijab wearing types, but no one who can whip up a proper burrito.

You will hear me saying a lot of things about Houston, but I will never diss the food.

I love San Diego, but I will have to do all of my own cooking.
~


GravatarI know a guy who got kicked out of a LV casino when he ordered a hotdog. He asked for it with ketchup and the cashier knew he was underage.


GravatarBurgers? Ick.


Gravatarmacacwitz, we have not had any significant rainfall since May 19th.
Tlazolteotl


Granted, an interesting anomoly, but generally too damp.


GravatarI worked a Scottish-themed event at a golf course that featured the ceremonial Parade of the Haggis after the first whisky toast.

Tasted like scrapple. Not the whisky, the other stuff.


Gravatardont make come in there and sing teh big mac song


GravatarWell, geez, fokes: Sometimes I love a hamburger with fresh tomatoes, lettuce, a slice of sweet onion and mayo.

Sometimes: I like them plain or with a slice of good cheese (varieties are accepted)

Sometimes: I just want a burger with mustard, ketchup, pickles, and onions.

Sometimes: I like my burger with carmalized onions and mushrooms with blue or Swiss cheese.

I guess it just depends.


GravatarSweet relish is chopped pickles. Check at the store.
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:33 pm |


that was my point.

see, thousand island without any islands is just the st lawrence ...

oh, never mind. if you have to explain the joke ...


GravatarI grilled burgers last night. And I had a bibb lettuce (organic!) salad on the side. Tasty.


Gravatarand san antonio, for tex mex.


Gravatari am not convinced geithner will crack down on anything.
pretzel


I am going to bet he cracks down on any bankster who doesn't give him a piece of the action.


GravatarAtriosed already to means to crash a site when he gives it a hit.


DFH thieves!


GravatarObama and Sarkozy are walking somewhere, and a young woman with a Jennifer Lopez butt walks in front of them.


GravatarWe import TONS of Mexicans around here to pick stuff.


Gravatar'TVNewser has learned ABC News paid upwards of $200,000 for rights to video featuring Joe and Katherine Jackson - and with it, the interview with Joe Jackson. A source close to the situation tells us the video was shot more than a year ago, "for some kind of reality show project." ABC licensed that footage from the production company and then approached Joe Jackson about getting a current interview "to address everything that's happened in the last couple of weeks," says the source.
AndyG '


DAMN! Chuck Todd missed it all. He was stuck in Italy with the President and could only ask the Leader of America what he thought about MJ. Shame!

Poor thing, he really should forget about all that important G-8 crap and get back here to cover major shit like Funerals and stuff.


GravatarMoe - I once at a place in Minnesota that made there salsa with catsup! I don't believe you can get decent Mexican food north of the Mason-Dixon line.


GravatarFriday Fetusblogging is up!


GravatarI like mayo on my burger if there's a lettuce and tomato barrier between the bun and the burger.


GravatarIt would no more occur to me that they would put mayo on a burger than that they would put paint thinner on it. Just can't wrap my ahead around why I should have to ask them what they put on it, rather than the other way around.


GravatarBetter ordering the paint thinner straight-up. Ask the sommelier if you can sniff the cap first.


GravatarFree Republic apparently took down their nauseating thread attacking Malia Obama.



GravatarI'm kind of a gorgonzola cheeseburger motherfucker myself.

And Candace from Season 1 of Heroes. Sheeeeit.


GravatarFriday Fetusblogging is up!
NTodd,שלו | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:35 pm |


by your fourth kid, fetusblogging will consist of "oh, yeah, we had another baby last week. didn't i mention it?"


GravatarFree Republic apparently took down their nauseating thread attacking Malia Obama.

It's a good group over there.


GravatarDrop Dead


GravatarI had a chicken green chile casserole for dinner last night, with a tomato salad.  It tasted gud.

Then, because of the Byetta, u know what happened. 


GravatarUntil I moved to the Mysterious East, no one had ever asked me whether I wanted mayo on my burger. I asked her whether she was kidding.


GravatarI like mayo on my burger if there's a lettuce and tomato barrier between the bun and the burger.

I like my lettuce and tomato and burger in separate compartments that keep the lettuce and tomato COLD and the burger HOT...


GravatarI don't believe you can get decent Mexican food north of the Mason-Dixon line.

I don't know what 'decent' is, but this neighborhood's been inhabited by Mexicans for over a century. There's plenty of authentic Mexican and Lebanese food around here.


Gravatari like blue cheese and mushrooms on my burgers.


GravatarMy point is that the only way to be sure what you will receive is to ask.


GravatarCanada doesn't like to import Hispanics.

And they're afraid a decent taco stand would draw 'em up by the thousands? Like they can't get that stuff at home?


GravatarI've got a friend who orders his steaks rare. "Wipe its ass and bring it out here," he says. "If it's not mooing, it's overcooked."


GravatarWe import TONS of Mexicans around here to pick stuff.
annie >


Where? I'm moving.

None in Ottawa. Not to sound elitist, but it also effects the service business, at least in this town.


Gravatareparate compartments that keep the lettuce and tomato COLD and the burger HOT...
dave™© | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:38 pm | #




GravatarI don't believe you can get decent Mexican food north , east or west of Tucson.
Stadler

fixed your taco


GravatarAnd there's good Mexican in Chicago and along the whole American West Coast.


GravatarFree Republic apparently took down their nauseating thread attacking Malia Obama.

With all these attacks, I suggest Obama resign.


GravatarI've got a friend who orders his steaks rare. "Wipe its ass and bring it out here," he says. "If it's not mooing, it's overcooked."
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:38 pm | #


i believe that was woody harrelson in "the cowboy way" (with keifer sutherland)


GravatarI found better Mexican food in San Francisco than in Mexico.


GravatarI have to say, those burgers at Red Robin with the blue cheese and chipotle mayo are wicked good.


Gravatar I don't believe you can get decent Mexican food north of the Mason-Dixon line.
Stadler


More like east of the Rocky Mountains.


Gravatargreat, let's meat the meet!


GravatarThose of us who eat New Mexican food end up making it for ourselves when we're out of state. 


GravatarCanada sucks, but not as much as the South.


Gravatar2 all boef patties special sauce lettuce cheese all on a sesame bun


GravatarThat's the thing, isn't it? What is "decent?" I don't know how to become an initiate into the secret world of people who Know Things, other than to try it all.


GravatarAt the place my lover worked, the kitchen yell for super rare was, "Walkin".


GravatarH.R. 3127
To direct the Architect of the Capitol to acquire a statue of
“The Unknown Slave” for permanent display in Emancipation
Hall in the Capitol Visitor Center, and for other purposes.

.


GravatarI found better Mexican food in San Francisco than in Mexico.

I'm under the impression "Mexican" food in the states is pretty much "Tex-Mex" at best.

You can't really get "pizza" in Italy, either...


GravatarMy favorite rare steak description is "So rare a second year vet student has a good chance of bringing back to life."


Gravatarnew yorkers (at least in the old days) do not consider mustard and mayo to be legally admissable choices on a hamburger. mustard, in particular, on a hamburger is a sign of insanity

and then i move out to california and they put mayo and mustard on hamburgers by default

they are crazy peoples

.


GravatarI like mayo on my burger if there's a lettuce and tomato barrier between the bun and the burger.


The mustard goes on the bottom of the burger with the onion, and the ketchup goes on top with the pickle. NO KETCHUP ON HOTDOGS! Also.


GravatarH.R. 3127
To direct the Architect of the Capitol to acquire a statue of
“The Unknown Slave” for permanent display in Emancipation
Hall in the Capitol Visitor Center, and for other purposes.


RACIST.


GravatarI found better Mexican food in San Francisco than in Mexico.
Moe Szyslak


I've snuck over to Tijuana a couple of times from San Diego. Nothing like a little Carne Asada before the donkey show.


GravatarYou can't really get "pizza" in Italy, either...
dave™© | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:41 pm | #


the best italian food in the world is served in buford, georgia.

it used to be nutley, nj but then mom retired down here.


Gravatar.I'm under the impression "Mexican" food in the states is pretty much "Tex-Mex" at best.



I dunno. There's an awful lot of actual Mexicans here in SF.


Gravatarspeakign of meat, Mrs. Brown is in the news for twice rejecting veal at the G-8 and twittering about it.


GravatarWhen I am in Arizona next month, the In-N-Out Burger is definitely on the itinerary.


GravatarPeople are better looking in Vancouver than in Halifax.


GravatarThe Red Robin in Eugene was always in the paper being cited for health and rodent violations, so I never went.


Gravatar NO KETCHUP ON HOTDOGS! Also.
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | 07.10.09 - 12:42 pm | #


you are the reason coney island had to close.


GravatarPretty much all of Southern Ontario. Around Windsor, Leamington especially.

They rotate in and out on work visas, uusually work at greenhouses. There are a few Mexican grocery stores scattered here and there too, but you have to look to find them.

Leamington has lots though.


Gravatarnew yorkers (at least in the old days) do not consider mustard and mayo to be legally admissable choices on a hamburger

My born-in-NYC mother raised her kids to abhor mayo on ANY sandwich.

You should have seen her head spin when some rinky-dink "deli" here in Gullyfoneya would ask her if she wanted mayo on that pastrami sandwich...


GravatarThen there's "authentic." the rule of the Internet is that you can only get authentic whatever cuisine at someplace that only one other poster has heard of. It's the law.


GravatarI know this is kind of mean to say, but I'm really glad Steve Fossett is gone. I really didn't give the slightest fuck about his hot air balloon feats.

Too bad he wasn't piloting a zeppelin.


GravatarThat's the thing, isn't it? What is "decent?" I don't know how to become an initiate into the secret world of people who Know Things, other than to try it all.

Reminds me of a lame joke I heard the other day:

How many hipsters does it take to screw in a light bulb?

The number is too obscure...you wouldn't get it.


Gravatarno catsup on hot dogs?

are you insane?


GravatarThe more stuff on my burger, the better. Ketchup, mustard, mayo, lettuce, tomato, onion, bit of relish, bacon, some blue cheese - preferrably cooked in the patty, maybe some ground peanuts, but you can hold the fried egg.


GravatarI love the Sopranos episode where Paulie Walnuts can't eat the food in Naples.


GravatarHow many hipsters does it take to screw in a light bulb?

The number is too obscure...you wouldn't get it.
AndyG


That number used to be cool...


Gravatarand then i move out to california and they put mayo and mustard on hamburgers by default

Default is a ways inland. How do they do it on the coast?


GravatarPeople are better looking in Vancouver than in Halifax.

I always noticed, when I was going to Vancouver a lot in the 80s, that people up there generally were more hip and better dressed than in Seattle. Now I don't see as much difference.


GravatarMy favorite rare steak description is "So rare a second year vet student has a good chance of bringing back to life."

Just wipe its ass and throw it on the plate.


GravatarYou haven't lived until you've had cochinita pibil in the Yucatan.

*droooooooooool*


GravatarI've been quoted by Andrew Sullivan - I've made the big time! Third post down on his page (about first term quitters) - that's my research.


GravatarMoe is complaining about a burger? he doesn't travel well does he?


GravatarWalterneff!


GravatarI'm under the impression "Mexican" food in the states is pretty much "Tex-Mex" at best.

Misimpression. Whatever the hell 'tex-mex' is, it ain't Sonoran, it ain't coastal, it ain't Oaxacan....  It seems to be mostly poor folks' combination of about three cheap ingredients, presented in various ways.


Gravatarmayo is really only for cold sandwiches. i don't see why that's so hard to understand.


Gravatarpotato salad. also


GravatarI was in Quebec once, and with my very broken french, ordered the "hamburger deluxe." It was just like I expected-- a hamburger with lettuce and tomato, fries on the side. Except, this perfectly respectable dish was then ladled with gravy, like two inches worth, on top of everything.


Gravatarwalterneff


GravatarMayo is for fries.


Gravataryeah i can see mayo in potato salad.


GravatarGood on ya, WN.


Gravatarpotato salad. also
euphronius failure | 07.10.09 - 12:46 pm | #


ammended: mayo is only for cold food


Gravatarwalterneff WHERE IS YOUR GRAVATAR????

(just kidding)


GravatarI think I am going to try to get people to have a mini Eschacon in Detroit at the Dearborn Inn. (Best beds I have ever slept in)

This place is wonderful for meeting: used to be part of Henry Ford's Fairlane Estate.

(That's my kind of camping, you know: an excellent restaurant, comfortable beds, and beautiful - classic type of place.)


GravatarThe number is too obscure...you wouldn't get it.
AndyG |


I hope you're being ironic ironically


Gravatar Obama and Sarkozy are walking somewhere, and a young woman with a Jennifer Lopez butt walks in front of them.
plantsman,
:

Ok, I found the pic:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 20...r=2#slide_image

I'd say, busted. Can't say as I blame him...
~


GravatarAny restaurant suggestions for Santa Fe?


Gravatarketchup, mustard and sweet relish on hot dogs.


Gravatar Whatever the hell 'tex-mex' is

Chicken fried carne asada?


GravatarSheesh. A hamburger is a freakin' glob of ground cow on a bun. It has no sacrosanctitude.


GravatarMy favorite rare steak description is "So rare a second year vet student has a good chance of bringing back to life."

My grandfather's: "break its leg and bring it in here".


GravatarWhen's Lynn Rosetta Casper gonna start trolling this thread?


Gravatarask her if she wanted mayo on that pastrami sandwich...
dave™©


i had a waitress out here ask me what kind of bread i wanted on a corned beef sandwich

like there was another possibility besides rye

.


GravatarI may have to make potato salad soon. I have a family recipe from my Texas aunts. Fried chicken goes well with it, also.


GravatarBaby got back.


GravatarBLTs?


Gravatari love how eating possibly diseased and bloody meat is a signal of mannliness.


Gravatarrye humor huh


Gravatarset up shop at a table to read.

Well, there's your problem right there. Who reads in a bar?


GravatarHitler


GravatarWhen I am in Arizona next month, the In-N-Out Burger is definitely on the itinerary.

Good - but try to go to Durant's too.


GravatarI might have a BLT for dinner. And the finest, cheapest beer I can find.


GravatarThen there's "authentic." the rule of the Internet is that you can only get authentic whatever cuisine at someplace that only one other poster has heard of. It's the law.
Jay C.


And always at a restaurant that everyone used to go to, but now they don't, because it got too popular, and anyway it burned down last year...


GravatarBLTs?
AndyG | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:48 pm | #


blt's should be served cold.


GravatarSometimes if I make homefries, I put chopped up bacon and mayo in it. Mmmmmmmmm.


GravatarAnnie, I thought Canadians universally opted for vinegar on their fries.


GravatarDid I not describe it understandably?


GravatarDefault is a ways inland. How do they do it on the coast?
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person


i think the only difference is that the mustard is dijon

.


Gravatarblt's should be served cold.

Just like revenge...


GravatarI demand citation for all of these lame food rules!


Gravatarlike there was another possibility besides rye

.
tacitus volt bear

Pumpernickel?
Light Swedish Rye?
Rye with Carroway Seeds?
Rye with dill?


Gravatarbacon is called american ham in canada!!!


CAUGHT YOU BUTTLE


Gravatarbtw, a blt made with morning star farms fake bacon strips is excellent. i actually prefer it to the real thing.


GravatarI'd say, busted. Can't say as I blame him... ~ Meander

See above, Obama absolved. In the video clip he's looking at the steps. Sarkozy's eyeballs, OTOH, are running at full letch.


Gravatar annie!


Gravatari had a kind of pizza burger in grand junction once. it was excellent. of course i had the munchies bad.


Gravatareven Tapper says its bogus. So maybe you can't go by a still from a moving image


GravatarAny restaurant suggestions for Santa Fe?

Pink Adobe, The Compound, Blake's Lot-A-Burger.  Senor Murphy's.  La Fonda.


GravatarVinegar is for chips, only called chips if they come from a truck or are served with battered fish, also usually from a truck. Sometimes from a filthy restaurant with a line out the door.

Fries you put mayo and ketchup. They come with a burger.


GravatarI demand citation for all of these lame food rules!
AndyG | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:50 pm | #


mom said so.

thbbbbbbbt.


GravatarMisimpression. Whatever the hell 'tex-mex' is, it ain't Sonoran, it ain't coastal, it ain't Oaxacan.... It seems to be mostly poor folks' combination of about three cheap ingredients, presented in various ways.

GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian


Frontera Grill. Topolobampo. Rick Bayless.

Just sayin', you want real Mexican, you come to Chicaga.

Or, of course, Mexico. Chicaga's closer for me.


GravatarI demand citation for all of these lame food rules!
AndyG


You can pry my donut burger out of my cold, dead, and probably sticky hands!


GravatarSo I gather the righties are upset because Obama likes girls, as opposed to their heros...


GravatarThen there's gravy, if you like that kind of thing, I don't.


Gravatarbtw, a blt made with morning star farms fake bacon strips is excellent. i actually prefer it to the real thing.

I will try that, dirk. A patty melt with Boca burgers is also better than with ground beef, fyi.


GravatarMayo is also used for coleslaw.(I like mine with a little sour cream as well)


Gravatareven Tapper says its bogus. So maybe you can't go by a still from a moving image

My question would be - So what if he did? It's not like he gave a prime minister an unwanted back rub....


GravatarI was hoping you were here, GWPDA. Thanks!


Gravatari was just trying ot remember the name of that place, the pink adobe. interesting fruit drinks.


Gravatar mimi!


GravatarThe morning star chik patties are really good on a Japanese noodle salad, as I was describing the other day.


GravatarJust sayin', you want real Mexican, you come to Chicaga.

or tucson. it was nice going to a mexican restaurant that had seafood, and more choices than "a tortilla filled with beans, meat, rice and cheese"


GravatarSee above, Obama absolved. In the video clip he's looking at the steps. Sarkozy's eyeballs, OTOH, are running at full letch.
bo, apostate


Heh. Sarko all but shoves Obama out of the way to get a better look.


GravatarI love boca burgers, but strongly dislike fakon.


GravatarSo I gather the righties are upset because Obama likes girls, as opposed to their heros...

And has a functioning libido...


GravatarWhatever the hell 'tex-mex' is

If I opened a Tex-Mex restaurant, I'd call it Bubbacito's...


Gravatareven Tapper says its bogus.

Who cares? The only thing that matters is the location of MJ's brain.


GravatarMountain dew should only be served before 5pm. After that, darker beverages or Scope are the drinks of choice.


Gravataryou can't get good comidas criollos (cuban/puerto rican food) on the west coast, tho...

arroz con pollo
"ropas veijos"
maduros
and a cafe con leche and flan for dessert

.


GravatarFrom the angle of the shot it appears Obama is scoping out her booty, but this was no McCranky scoping Palin's ass.


GravatarVinegar is for chips, only called chips if they come from a truck or are served with battered fish, also usually from a truck. Sometimes from a filthy restaurant with a line out the door.

John's Lunch.


GravatarWhatever. That's an ass that says Hey You! Look at me dammit!! I'm talkin' to YOU! Failure to acknowledge its mighty presence would be in "I bet you're gay" territory, and it's owner is no doubt well aware of that fact.


Gravataroh yeah i rember the compound too, and stayed at la fonda many times. wgg used to be a lifeguard there, he said.


Gravatarblt's should be served cold.

Like revenge?


Gravatari enjoyed my american ham joke.

fuck you all.


GravatarMountain dew should only be served before 5pm. After that, darker beverages or Scope are the drinks of choice.

You're supposed to switch to Mountain Dew: Code Red or Tahitian Treat for nightcaps.


GravatarI love boca burgers, but strongly dislike fakon.
AndyG | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:52 pm | #


the trick is to overcook it a little. it should be crispy, almost burnt.

and it's better on sandwiches than with eggs, imho.


GravatarI will try that, dirk. A patty melt with Boca burgers is also better than with ground beef, fyi.


Yuck.


GravatarYep, moe knows.


GravatarYou're supposed to switch to Mountain Dew: Code Red or Tahitian Treat for nightcaps.
AndyG


And puffed Cheetos in the summertime, crunchy all other times of the year.


GravatarTex-Mex is when you pour a vat of Cheez Wiz on the roof of your Double-Wide and let it bake for a while.


GravatarI'm gonna go do vacation-type things, among good looking people who do horrible things with hamburgers.


Gravatarno catsup on hot dogs?

are you insane?
euphronius failure


It sounds nutso to talk about ruining the flavor of something like a hot dog, but for me, it does. I usually endup throwing out my current bottle of ketchup when it's still half full, but totally krelmed, I use so little of it. I have very little Archie in me...


GravatarPumpernickel?
Light Swedish Rye?
Rye with Carroway Seeds?
Rye with dill?
DWD-YDWETAKIT? | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:50 pm


rye w/ carraway seeds. the old fashioned deli rye bread had a crust so tough you had to make an effort to bite through it

.


GravatarGrocery store has whole beef tenderloins for $4.99 a lb: yes or no?


GravatarWhether or not Obama was checking out the young woman, at least he didn't have to have his fellow cult members force him to write out a letter to break up with his girlfreind,a nd then go with him to a FedEx store to check that he actualy sent it (and then later call the GF and tell her to ignore the letter) like republic Presidential Material John Ensign (R-Loser)

http:// www.talkingpointsmemo.com...dest_moment.php


GravatarThe morning star chik patties are really good on a Japanese noodle salad, as I was describing the other day.
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 12:52 pm | #


i use them for chik parmesian sandwiches, too. easy as pie.

maybe easier.


GravatarOk, I found the pic

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 20...r=1#slide_image

Men . . .
-


Gravatarmoutain dew is the worst american soft drink, outside of those really cheap store brands.


GravatarMoe, try the Chinese or Indian Food!


GravatarAnd puffed Cheetos in the summertime, crunchy all other times of the year.

Kool-Aid/crusty snot mustache, orange-finger chic!


GravatarYuck.

Oh, billy b, cheer up. I'm not going to take your steak away.


GravatarWalterNeff!!!!!


Gravatarvanilla cherry coke is pretty terrible.


GravatarI have very little Archie in me...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | 07.10.09 - 12:55 pm | #


nixon put ketchup on cottage cheese.

(true story, afaik)


GravatarKool-Aid/crusty snot mustache, orange-finger chic!
AndyG




Gravatartacitus volt bear,

My wife's grandmother used to make the best Light Swedish Rye - honestly, the best bread (aside from the traditional loaf out of the oven) I have ever had.

But white bread out of the oven really just needs some good butter. (Never use it for anything else except toast)


GravatarOh, billy b, cheer up. I'm not going to take your steak away.


I'm talking Boca burgers. Nasty.


GravatarI am about to go on vacation and I promise I will not put mayo or mustard on a burger. In fact I won't eat a burger. I will, however, eat fish chowdah with sherry peppers and rum in it.


GravatarYeah, could be cooked whole or sliced into strip steaks, DWD.


GravatarI will defend to the death the right of a man to admire the beauty of a well sculpted caboose.


Gravatarthe trick is to overcook it a little. it should be crispy, almost burnt.

My general rule for most meats. In fact, leave out the "almost"...


GravatarI will try that, dirk. A patty melt with Boca burgers is also better than with ground beef, fyi.

well.... i'm not sure i'd go that far.


Gravatargood point, i tried some vanilla diet coke and gagged.


Gravatar...If you just take a regular coke and put a bit of cherry juice and vanilla extract in it, it's actually very tasty. I'm sure Coke's version is artificial-tasting and icky sweet though.


GravatarI'm having sushi tonight.


GravatarObama had just heard some great urdu poetry.


Gravatarplantsman,

That's what I was thinking: just trying to get up some ambition to go to the store.


Gravatarrephrase

DIET vanilla cherry coke


GravatarMountain dew should only be served before 5pm. After that, darker beverages or Scope are the drinks of choice.
Jay C.


White Cream Soda with fishsticks, red with McDonalds...


GravatarI will defend to the death the right of a man to admire the beauty of a well sculpted caboose.

What about me? And here I was, waxing rhapsodic about J-Lo's butt in Anaconda only yesterday...


GravatarMy general rule for most meats. In fact, leave out the "almost"...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | 07.10.09 - 12:57 pm | #


the better the meat, the rarer it should be cooked.

when asked how i like my steak, i always want to ask "that depends - is it any good?"


GravatarLater, all.


Gravatar"I feel like chicken tonight, like chicken tonight..."


GravatarSushi in West Coast towns is also good.


Gravataryeah real coke and vanilla is good. that's what i had had before, and i naively thought that vanilla coke would taste something like that.


GravatarAnd Moe, I say again - one of the best hamburgers of my life I ate in a roadside joint in Yahk.  Perfect.


Gravatar plantsman,: Did I not describe it understandably?

Completely so - but when you use the phrase "Jennifer Lopez butt", I'm going to look...
~
bo, apostate : See above, Obama absolved. In the video clip he's looking at the steps. Sarkozy's eyeballs, OTOH, are running at full letch.

Once again, Obama proves himself a better man than me. I doubt that even fear of Michelle could have stopped me from at least taking a look.
~
QuentinCompson, : Men . . .

Remember you have to sing that now.
~


GravatarI dunno if he looked or not it's hard to tell in the video, but that other guy sure did.

And isn't she just a kid?


Gravatar...If you just take a regular coke and put a bit of cherry juice and vanilla extract in it, it's actually very tasty. I'm sure Coke's version is artificial-tasting and icky sweet though.
slartibartfast


Used to be able to get cherry juice concentrate in a 12 oz can at Randall's. Made an ass-kicking turbo Cherry Coke. Sadly, no more...


GravatarThere seems to be a lot of strategically placed women with nice asses in those photo shoots. Is Sacha Cohen making another movie?


GravatarTlazolteotl

If it makes you feel any better, it would be my pleasure to ogle both yours and hers.


Gravatar17 is no kid. And jeesh, it's not like he's luring her into his hotel room or anything, he's just checking her out.

Now, outtahere.


GravatarOnce again, Obama proves himself a better man than me. I doubt that even fear of Michelle could have stopped me from at least taking a look.



I'm in the stop dead in my tracks, insert palm of hand into mouth and make "huminah" noises camp m'self.



GravatarIf you click on the pic, aren't you equally guilty?


GravatarIf it makes you feel any better, it would be my pleasure to ogle both yours and hers.

no no no, you misunderstand. You wrote that you would defend the right of any man to ogle. But what if a woman likes to take an appraising look as well? Is that indefensible?


GravatarWait, is someone posting pics of hamburgers with mayo?


GravatarWow. This is great. The rightwing Doogie Howzer knows he's getting p3wnd

Dennis Kucinich Pummels Right Wing Dr. On Canadian Healthcare System

http://crooksandliars.com/logan-...-pummels- doctor


Gravatarwhy would a woman wear such obviously uncomfortable clothing if she didn't want to be looked at as she walked past?


GravatarSay - if you're near Senor Murphy's I'd really appreciate a bag of their caramel corn.  With pecans.  'Enkew!


GravatarWow. A lunch thread almost entirely about food. Except for this heresy.

I know this is kind of mean to say, but I'm really glad Steve Fossett is gone. I really didn't give the slightest fuck about his hot air balloon feats.

Fosset was kind of an asshole, but his hot air balloon feats were worthy of great praise. He was a great aeronaut.


Gravatarnixon put ketchup on cottage cheese.

(true story, afaik)
dirk gently, antiskeptic


That could explain a lot...


GravatarBut what if a woman likes to take an appraising look as well?

i always imagine that all the women i pass are doing just that, and never look back to be disillusioned.


GravatarI think it's Italy it's a crime *not* to look.


GravatarMy cousin puts ketchup on pancakes.


Gravatari always imagine that all the women i pass are doing just that, and never look back to be disillusioned.

No, no. At another woman, doofus.


GravatarAny restaurant suggestions for Santa Fe?
Santa Fe, NM? Tons of suggestions. Depends on whether you want expensive or inexpensive, New Mexican or not. But here's a short list:
BERT'S BURGER BOWL!!!: Lunch and dinner. Closed Sunday and not open late. A burger joint, but the best green chile cheeseburgers you'll ever have. What's that? You've never HAD a green chile cheeseburger? Get yourself to Bert's. STAT. Inexpensive.
Tecolote Cafe, breakfast and lunch. New Mexican food. Very good. Inexpensive.
Pasquale's: Breakfast, lunch & dinner. Very good varied menu. Very crowded and I don't think they take reservations, but if you go on a weekday for lunch or a late breakfast or even dinner, you should be good. Expensive.
Maria's: Lunch and dinner. New Mexican. Very good. Great margarita menu. Moderate-to-expensive (depending on the type of margarita you order!)
Zia Diner: Breakfast, lunch and dinner. Varied menu. moderate-to-expensive.
Cowgirl Bar: lunch and dinner. Varied menu. Moderate.
El Farol: Lunch (I think) and dinner. Honestly, the food is meh, but the bar is quite fun and you can get a nice snack there. Expensive if you eat a whole meal.
Guadalupe Cafe: Lunch and dinner. New Mexican. Inexpensive.
Blue Corn Cafe: Lunch and dinner. New Mexican. Inexpensive.
If you can drive out of town, people say Harry's Roadhouse is to die for, but I've never eaten there.
I excluded a lot of the expensive joints from this list because, well, I can't afford to eat in them and I reject the Santa Fe poseur attitude. I'm a native, yo. Don't bother with the stupid Coyote Cafe, either. There's plenty of good southwestern places in town without the prices and 'tude.


Gravataryeah, that's kind of mean.


GravatarLet's not always let the mayo be the enemy of the ketchup. . .


Gravatar"Busted? Fox News still running with Obama G8 photo story day after Van Susteren debunked it

watch video here:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200...tv/ 200907100001


GravatarIf that girl is only 17, her momma should have told her she's too young to be walking around in a dress like that.


Gravatarbums supposedly make "soup" from ketchup packets.


GravatarNo, no. At another woman, doofus.
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 1:04 pm | #


don't disillusion me! i'm very fragile.


GravatarHe was a great aeronaut.

he was certainly a throwback to the days when the idle rich would fend off boredom by spending large some of money on risky adventures.


GravatarAgain, it really depends on the food: around here it is damned near impossible to find french fries that have not been blanched and frozen and they, universally suck donkey balls. (And ANYTHING that will give them flavor. . . .)

But on the rare occasion when someone goes to the trouble of peeling potatoes and deep frying them: Malt vinegar is perfect.


GravatarVideo proof,
Obama did NOT check out girl's ass. Sarkozy on the other hand...

Not that I blame them. I'm hetero as they come and I looked. She was striking...


Gravatari luvs me some dennis kucinich.


Gravatar Tlazolteotl : But what if a woman likes to take an appraising look as well? Is that indefensible?

Of course not. Completely defensible. Encouraged, even. Truly, a fine ass is a work of art, and a sign of a benevolent creator.
~


GravatarFile under: "disastrous upon rereading at a later age":

John Fowles' "The Magus".

Yeech.



Gravatarnixon put ketchup on cottage cheese.


I put Tabasco on cottage cheese...


GravatarI put Tabasco on cottage cheese...
billy b | 07.10.09 - 1:07 pm | #


i like to mix in some jalepeno slices.


GravatarTruly, a fine ass is a work of art, and a sign of a benevolent creator.


I concur.


GravatarBut on the rare occasion when someone goes to the trouble of peeling potatoes and deep frying them: Malt vinegar is perfect.


At some bulk stores you can buy the powdered stuff to put on popcorn, dill pickle, ketchup, bbq, all the stuff you'd find on flavoured potato chips. Dill pickle kind with malt vinegar on chips is awesome.


Gravatari like to mix in some jalepeno slices.


I haven't tried that. Thanks for the idea.



GravatarAnd you don't peel the potatoes, you just wash them and slice them up. The peel is the best part.


GravatarI believe this young lady was seventeen or thereabouts when this was taken:

http://smg.photobucket.com/ album...polevaulter.jpg


GravatarIs this a three martini lunch thread?


Gravatarso fox news photoshopped it?


GravatarPink Adobe, The Compound, Blake's Lot-A-Burger. Senor Murphy's. La Fonda.

Sorry, I am going to have to disagree with almost that total list. Well, The Compound is good but EXPENSIVE. Blake's Lotaburger? When there's BERT'S BURGER BOWL? And the Pink Adobe is overpriced and I got sick there from carne adovada once. Never will go back. Senor Murphy's and La Fonda? Por los turistas.


Gravatar"Truly, a fine ass is a work of art, and a sign of a benevolent creator."

Possibly the sign of an expensive health club membership.


GravatarOnce again, Obama proves himself a better man than me. I doubt that even fear of Michelle could have stopped me from at least taking a look.


jeeeze, are we not men?


Gravatari think la fonda used to be good, so did pink adobe. i dont know about now.


Gravatareven Tapper says its bogus. So maybe you can't go by a still from a moving image

Strooth...


GravatarI think the correct term is
'the raw good health of youth'.
.


Gravatarso fox news photoshopped it?
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 1:10 pm | #


no, just an instantaneous moment where his line of sight was passing her trajectory. frozen in time, it looks like ogling.

even unretouched photos can be misleading.


Gravatarthere is a cat on my shoulder.


Gravatareven unretouched photos can be misleading.

Wish I could see video from Shrub's falling-down-drunk-at-the-Olympics still pictures.


GravatarAre we still talking about ass?


GravatarRemember what W's favorite song was?

"I like her better when she walks away", by Alejandro Escovedo.


Gravatar"there is a cat on my shoulder."

Where's the bluebird?


GravatarLunch Schmunch


GravatarVideo proof,
Obama did NOT check out girl's ass. Sarkozy on the other hand...

Not that I blame them. I'm hetero as they come and I looked. She was striking...
Libby,


Sarkozy's appraisal did look especially lecherous and, er, "continental" in that still.

I do find it interesting how people have different...areas of interest. I tend toward obliviousness wrt posteriors, generally. A long mane of dark hair, otoh...


GravatarOh, people rave about the Pink Adobe, but I reiterate, it's overpriced and there are a TON of other good, less expensive places to get New Mexican food in Santa Fe. The Pink is really, really touristy.


Gravatar.no, just an instantaneous moment where his line of sight was passing her trajectory. frozen in time, it looks like ogling.


Well my SOP in these situations is to contrive an innocen-seeming a line of sight trajectory that crosses the, um, object of interest and take a mental snapshot of it as my gaze sweeps by. Just sayin'


GravatarWhere's the bluebird?
montanaheadcold | 07.10.09 - 1:15 pm | #


inside the cat, no doubt.


GravatarEnsign would do the same thing for me if my assistant found out I was fucking his wife.


Gravatari know santa fe has changed a lot, i expect the la fonda even has air conditioning now.


GravatarWell my SOP in these situations is to contrive an innocen-seeming a line of sight trajectory that crosses the, um, object of interest and take a mental snapshot of it as my gaze sweeps by. Just sayin'
slartibartfast | 07.10.09 - 1:16 pm | #


maybe - but remember mccain checking out palin's ass on the podium? there was that momentary telling pause as his shutter clicked...

video is truer than still photog. and even that can be angled, cropped, zoomed, etc to produce an effect. lucas does it all the time.


GravatarIn general, if one seeks out fancy white tablecloth Mexican food, one is missing the point IMO.


GravatarGoing to buy some beef tenderloin: anyone want one?

Peace.


GravatarObama did NOT check out girl's ass.

Our country is so fucked.


Gravatarthe compound wasnt mexican food.


Gravatar.maybe - but remember mccain checking out palin's ass on the podium? there was that momentary telling pause as his shutter clicked...


Poor guy just doesn't heve the visual memory that O does.


GravatarI hope he caught a glimpse. Why would anyone want to deny him that?

Now of course, if they were young, firm senate page buttocks, it might demonstrate a conservative latency.


GravatarFriday, July 10, 2009, 9:21am EDT

Bill Gates tries to stop hurricanes
http://www.bizjournals.com/trian...06/ daily71.html

A clever marketing agreement requiring them to run on WinME?
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Gravatarthe compound wasnt mexican food.

Still isn't. But it IS expensive.


Gravatari couldn't care less whether he looked. i assume he likes attractive women, he married one.


Gravatarvideo is truer than still photog. and even that can be angled, cropped, zoomed, etc to produce an effect. lucas does it all the time.
dirk gently, antiskeptic


In the Special Edition re-release, Han and Luke were checking out Leia's ass for about 37% of A New Hope. Han shot first, also.


GravatarI love Atrios but these lunch, happy hour, evening, etc. threads are lame. If he's going to auto-post, at least the headlines could be more generic.


GravatarThat duplicitous fuck Hannity will turn that video into the Zapruder film.


GravatarEnsign story: It just gets better and better. (Same link as The Old Man From Scene 24 | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 12:55 pm |, so a coke to TOMFS24)

As I said before: 'Thuglican Ethics, the Great Oxymoron.


Gravatarvideo is truer than still photog. and even that can be angled, cropped, zoomed, etc to produce an effect. lucas does it all the time.
dirk gently, antiskeptic | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 1:19 pm


With McCain, the video proved it to be true. He was freaking fixated. And twiddling his wedding ring.


GravatarWhat, her ass is going to explode from his gaze?


Gravatar.He was freaking fixated. And twiddling his wedding ring.
Libby


That part was pretty funny. What a tell.


Gravatar.He was freaking fixated. And twiddling his wedding ring.
Libby

he was thinking, yeah, i might lose cindy's money, but would it be worth it?


GravatarDo they speak Mexican in Spain?


GravatarCNN Headline News was going with the story yesterday, headlined as "Obama's Gaze."

I didn't know CNN was into French PoMo feminist theory, but there it is.


Gravatarin today's editorial, wapo says some stupid stuff about health care legislation.
who would guess they think bipartisanship is a must, which they forgot when bushco was cutting taxes for the rich by the hair of cheney's VP tie breaker.
and guess what, when it comes to taxing workers health insurance, that is the one campaign promise that is NO BIG DEAL.
At any other time, they would be bashing OB for thinking about breaking a campaign promise.
hypocrisy 101, fred hiatt style.


Friday, July 10, 2009

FOR THOSE WHO seek health reform that is effective, bipartisan and fiscally sound, the past few days have been unsettling.

First, Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) told Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) that his panel's plan to limit the tax-free treatment of employer-provided health insurance would not pass muster; too many Democrats would object. The ability of employers to offer unlimited health insurance to workers tax-free drives up health costs by promoting over-consumption; it benefits the well-off at the expense of lower-paid workers who are less apt to have insurance and, if they do, receive less value from the tax-free treatment of benefits. President Obama made a mistake during the campaign when he attacked John McCain for proposing to get rid of the exclusion. He is making an even bigger mistake by letting campaign positions be the enemy of good public policy.

Second, Democrats continued their insistence on a public option -- a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers -- as essential to effective health reform. Mr. Obama issued what amounted to a public rebuke of his chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, for the apparently heretical act of suggesting openness to an alternative: having a "trigger" mechanism under which a public plan would be established if the private insurance market fails to provide enough competition. The president, from Moscow, restated his support for a public plan, though, thankfully, he continued to avoid drawing a line in the sand. As we have said before, it would be tragic if this issue were to drag down health reform or make it impossible to secure Republican votes. Restructuring the health-care system is risky enough that Democrats would be wise not to try to accomplish it entirely on their own.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp...9070902607.html


GravatarDid the MSM ever once make mention of McCain's obvious ass-ogling during the Palin rollout, I wonder? Double standard much, CNN?


GravatarWhy isn't it tragic that selfish goppers who no one likes could prevent reform? Why isn't tragic that Dems have to compromise? Why is democracy tragic?


GravatarI really need to go buy one of those 'no solicitation' signs. Grrr.


Gravatari'm off for lunch... rump roast for me!


Gravatar"The gaze"? Chirst on a stick, they are desperate.

Better start impeachment proceedings now. Obama has a penis and eyes.


GravatarTPM:

Obama: "I Want to Be Very Careful - Africa is a Continent, Not a Country"


Gravatarrump roast for me

Don't let Obama check it out.


GravatarBetter start impeachment proceedings now.

President Gingrich thinks the Repukes should start impeachment already. Also.


GravatarAs we have said before, it would be tragic if this issue were to drag down health reform or make it impossible to secure Republican votes. Restructuring the health-care system is risky enough that Democrats would be wise not to try to accomplish it entirely on their own.


There is no amplification device in the world loud enough to deliver my FUCK YOU to the WaPo editorial board at sufficient volume.


GravatarBetter start impeachment proceedings now.

If I was charged every time I checked out someone's ass I'd be on death row.


GravatarSo they are predicting that we will have an el Nino winter this year, which means, usually, a milder winter with less precip. Kind of bad news for the folks in Vancouver and Whistler (where the Winter Olympics are going to be held).


Gravatar...good news for us, though!


GravatarRototiller.


GravatarAfter two very cold and snowy winters, I actually am sort of glad.


Gravataryeah it would be tragic if health care "reform" was derailed by actual health care reform.


GravatarMeanwhile...


Gravatars we have said before, it would be tragic if this issue were to drag down health reform or make it impossible to secure Republican votes. Restructuring the health-care system is risky enough that Democrats would be wise not to try to accomplish it entirely on their own.

Democrats need to reach out to people who take orders from "The Family", and who frequently refer to health insurance in terms of luxury automobiles. "Not everyone can have a Mercedes/Cadillac/Chrysler Le Baron with Rich Corinthian Leather....."
Those analogies are so fucking offensive, I can't believe no one ever calls them on them. Then again, I can.


GravatarContinents, countries, whatever. The brand of ignorance to which Obama was slyly referring didn't start with G-Dub:


"Well, I learned a lot....I went down to (Latin America) to find out from them and (learn) their views. You'd be surprised. They're all individual countries"

-- El Gipper Guapo

http://politicalhumor.about.com/ ...eaganquotes.htm


GravatarSo they threaten to crack down on oil speculation, and oil tumbles the most it has in 1/2 a year.

What an amazing coincidence.


Gravataryeah it would be tragic if health care "reform" was derailed by actual health care reform.
pretzel


Time for an angry mob of DC residents to storm the WaPo offices and defenestrate all the editors.


GravatarAfter two very cold and snowy winters, I actually am sort of glad.
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 1:39 pm | #


So will my nephew, he had enough snow growing up in Chicago, doesn't want it in Seattle.


GravatarSo they are predicting that we will have an el Nino winter this year, which means, usually, a milder winter with less precip.

As the person that does all of the shoveling in this household, I, for one, welcome the return of our el Nino overlords...


GravatarThe torch passes...


"After 138 miles of a brutal climb through the Pyrenees Mountains Friday, Alberto Contador made the surge that the Tour de France was waiting for, showing his strength in the hardest climb of the longest stage of the Tour. He moved ahead of his teammate Lance Armstrong in the final mile of the stage in Andorra, making a statement that he is Astana’s team leader and strongest rider."


GravatarIsn't our Sec. of State a member of "The Family"?


GravatarThe only potential downside for me with El Nino is that I'm going to Kauai on vacation in a few weeks. El Nino there means excessively hot weather and the possibility of hurricanes.


Gravatar Restructuring the health-care system is risky enough that Democrats would be wise not to try to accomplish it entirely on their own.

'cept they can.


Gravatar pretzel : i couldn't care less whether he looked. i assume he likes attractive women, he married one.

No doubt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...l? slidenumber=5

And may I say - dayum!
~
Better start impeachment proceedings now.

Supreme Commander Thor : If I was charged every time I checked out someone's ass I'd be on death row.

The day I stop, I will be on death row.
~


GravatarAs the person that does all of the shoveling in this household, I, for one, welcome the return of our el Nino overlords...
AndyG


Moi aussi. Supposedly it will decrease storms on the East Coast as well. It's been raining way too much lately.


GravatarHe moved ahead of his teammate Lance Armstrong in the final mile of the stage in Andorra, making a statement that he is Astana’s team leader and strongest rider.

Lance Armstrong, domestique.


GravatarWhy is democracy tragic?
C/T, translator

touche'

yes Tlaz, I could go for a mild winter


GravatarMoi aussi. Supposedly it will decrease storms on the East Coast as well. It's been raining way too much lately.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 1:43 pm


Here in SW Ohio it's been cloudy, but not raining.

Odd.


Gravatarslartibart.....not hurricanes. Typhoons.

So will my nephew, he had enough snow growing up in Chicago, doesn't want it in Seattle.

At least they know how to deal with it in Chicago - did you hear about all the kerfluffle in the aftermath of the storm we had in mid-December? Heads rolled!


GravatarSo... need anything shot, today?
*blam!*


GravatarHe moved ahead of his teammate Lance Armstrong in the final mile of the stage

Lance then became distracted checking out his ass...


Gravataryes Tlaz, I could go for a mild winter
ErinPDX | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 1:45 pm |


What, you don't like ice storms?!


GravatarI'm going to Kauai on vacation in a few weeks.

How foreign and exotic. You should go to Cape Cod, Nantucket or the Vineyard instead.

/Cokie


Gravatar"After 138 miles of a brutal climb through the Pyrenees Mountains Friday, Alberto Contador made the surge that the Tour de France was waiting for, showing his strength in the hardest climb of the longest stage of the Tour. He moved ahead of his teammate Lance Armstrong in the final mile of the stage in Andorra, making a statement that he is Astana’s team leader and strongest rider."


Astana amputed his scrotum in order to lose the extra weight and gain the edge over Armstrong.


GravatarSo will my nephew, he had enough snow growing up in Chicago, doesn't want it in Seattle.

At least they know how to deal with it in Chicago - did you hear about all the kerfluffle in the aftermath of the storm we had in mid-December? Heads rolled!
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 1:45 pm | #


Yeah, but you've got all those hills, makes it harder. Of course, you don't really have the equipment for it, either.


Gravatari wonder if armstrong does take some kind of steroids or hgh or whatever.


Gravatar"When we last met, Lance, I was but the student..."


GravatarNothing quite like the thrill of your car doing multiple 360s on black ice.


GravatarI put Tabasco on cottage cheese...

I've never had that but it sounds pretty good.


Gravatar"Your powers are weak, old man."


GravatarYeah, but you've got all those hills, makes it harder. Of course, you don't really have the equipment for it, either.

And it doesn't help when the only roads they plow are the ones between the mayor and deputy mayor's houses and city hall.


GravatarDon't be hatin' on Curly.

Don't be hatin' on LarryElvis.


Gravatari wonder if armstrong does take some kind of steroids or hgh or whatever.

epo


GravatarNothing quite like the thrill of your car doing multiple 360s on black ice.
bo, apostate | 07.10.09 - 1:48 pm | #

i did that once, fortunately i was the only vehicle on the road.


Gravatar bo: Nothing quite like the thrill of your car doing multiple 360s on black ice.

One thang one won't do on a scooter, guaranteed.


Gravatari did that once, fortunately i was the only vehicle on the road. - pretzel

Highly recommended.


GravatarYeah, but you've got all those hills, makes it harder. Of course, you don't really have the equipment for it, either.

And it doesn't help when the only roads they plow are the ones between the mayor and deputy mayor's houses and city hall.
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 1:48 pm | #


My friend lived in DC, and during one of their storms it looked like only Mayor McCrackhead/Stalker had his driveway/street plowed.


GravatarEnsign story: It just gets better and better.

"It makes having his parents pay the couple off sound far less out of character.

And this was a man who was going to run for president."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com...t.php? ref=fpblg


You should meet the people who would have enthusiastically voted for him.
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GravatarJP, I've told you that Curly looks very much like Marv, my ex's cat. But LarryElvis looks a lot like my expired kitty, Kayenta.


GravatarNothing quite like the thrill of your car doing multiple 360s on black ice.

Ooh...that's 'fun'.

With that, I've gotta go pick up my wife. Later.


GravatarOff to lunch. Anyone want some Moo Goo Gai Pan?


GravatarStill remember a CNN clip of a bus in Atlanta doing one on an overpass, all four lanes to himself.


Gravatar

I love Moo Goo Gai Pan.

But I have home made chicken-chile enchiladas for lunch today (only another hour until lunch!).


GravatarHey, kids! remember all of Bush's "signing statements" where he basically told Congress to fuck off and die, over and over and over again?

Good times, good times...

Obama? Not so lucky:

As The Hill notes in its headline: House overwhelmingly rejects signing statement.

http://www.congressmatters.com/s...7/10/11164/ 1110

Senior Democrats and Republicans railed against the notion that the president could ignore a law they had passed and he had signed.

"We do this not just on behalf of this institution, but on behalf of this democracy," said Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.). "There's kind of a unilateralism, an undemocratic, unreachable way about these signing statements."

Now THAT's "bipartisanship".
~


GravatarWow, that Levi Johnston is the gift that just keeps on giving. Like the jam of the month club.


GravatarThere's some a bit strange about a democracy that only functions when one party is in the Executive branch.


GravatarThere's some a bit strange about a democracy that only functions when one party is in the Executive branch.

It is just as the Founders envisioned it.


GravatarThere's some a bit strange about a democracy that only functions when one party is in the Executive branch.
C/T, translator | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 1:55 pm | #


yesss


Gravatar
As The Hill notes in its headline: House overwhelmingly rejects signing statement.


youve got to be kidding me.


Gravatar"We do this not just on behalf of this institution, but on behalf of this democracy," said Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.).

Good for him. Signing statements are Teh Lame, no matter whose they are.


Gravatar Tlazolteotl: JP, I've told you that Curly looks very much like Marv, my ex's cat. But LarryElvis looks a lot like my expired kitty, Kayenta.

I think the cat factory is working overtime.


GravatarThis Ensign guy is just pathetic. Remember when politicians regularly resigned in disgraced when they got caught fucking out of school? This sleazardo even had his parents pay hush money, and got caught! So of course, he'll just brazen it out. Damn, Neut Gingretch must be pissed. If only he'd just ignored the whole thing, he could have kept his job.


Gravatari thought gingrich got newtered by the republicans.


GravatarSigning statements completely illegitimate. Of course, the next repug that gets in will do it and probably press for line-item vetos as well. IOKIYAR.


GravatarWho ordered the Huevos Armstrong?


Gravatari guess im glad that congress finally stood up for itself.


GravatarI'm glad they pushed back on the signing statement. It read like something straight out of Bush playbook, but where the hell were they when Bush signed 800+ of them?


GravatarSeems like Ensign will have to drop out if this "gift" gets the attention of the IRS like it should.

Too bad Jim Gibbons is gov of NV, otherwide we could have 61 dems in the senate if a D were gov.... and doesn't Gibbons have his own affair issue?


GravatarYes. Burlington Cat Factory.


Gravatari guess im glad that congress finally stood up for itself.

I was hoping the Leg would reassert itself as the pre-eminent branch.


Gravatarbut where the hell were they when Bush signed 800+ of them?
Libby,


Those were completely different. Those signing statements were necessary for the preservation of the universe as we know it. Without them, all life would have ceased to exist.


GravatarVote for Big Sam Penis, republican for congress!


Gravataractually, that signing statement i agree with.

Sems like Obama is on solid ground there.


GravatarNothing quite like the thrill of your car doing multiple 360s on black ice.
bo, apostate


I did a 360...on my driver's test....and passed!


Gravatarif you do the 360 fast enough, no one will notice.


GravatarGood for him. Signing statements are Teh Lame, no matter whose they are.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 1:57 pm | #


Absolutely! Woulda been nice if they had made the same gesture when Chimpo was Preznit, but still.


GravatarIt was especially cute when "Good Morning, Morons" was wasting everybody's time this morning trying to make up some story about Obama checking out some lady's ass. And these paramecia get paid for this.


GravatarSeems like Ensign will have to drop out if this "gift" gets the attention of the IRS like it should.

Can the IRS do anything? Seems like those gifts are within the letter of the law.


Gravataractually, that signing statement i agree with.

The content is irrelevant. The medium is the problem.


GravatarI'm particularly not fond of a foot of snow, layered by 4" ice then another foot of snow.


GravatarThe content is irrelevant. The medium is the problem.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 2:04 pm | # [kill]​[hid

er the content is directly relevant.

COngress cannot pass laws outside of their constitutional scope.

instead of a signing statement, Obama could have jsut ignored it, i guess.


GravatarErin: who would be? and in July?


GravatarI'm particularly not fond of a foot of snow, layered by 4" ice then another foot of snow.
ErinPDX


In Wisconsin we call that "spring".


Gravatarthere are some days in july and august when a foot of snow sounds like heaven.


GravatarIn Wisconsin we call that "spring".
dmark


Heh.


GravatarIt's the 4" ice that sounds sucky to me...


Gravatarslartibart.....not hurricanes. Typhoons.

In the eastern Pacific region -- including Hawaii -- they are still called hurricanes.


Gravatar1/16" of ice is teh suxx0rz. 4" just takes longer to melt.


Gravatarer the content is directly relevant.

COngress cannot pass laws outside of their constitutional scope.

instead of a signing statement, Obama could have jsut ignored it, i guess.
euphronius failure | 07.10.09 - 2:05 pm |


I'm no expert on constitutional law, but it read to me as being pretty broad assertion of exec privilege. I think they have a legit use to address narrower constitutional conflicts.


GravatarTyphicanes.


Bipartisanship.


Gravatar Libby, : I'm glad they pushed back on the signing statement. It read like something straight out of Bush playbook, but where the hell were they when Bush signed 800+ of them?

That was my point. Sign the bill, don't sign the bill, fine, but don't attach a Post-it saying, "neener, neener".

So while I'm a little peeved at Obama for trying this bullshit trick, OTOH he had to try, and now we know that signing statements are dead, dead, dead. At least as long as there is a Dem president.

And the House can go fuck themselves for never standing up to Bush like this.
~


GravatarCOngress cannot pass laws outside of their constitutional scope.

Actually, they can. They also have the power to determine their Constitutional scope, and if they muster enough votes they will pass what they want.

Then the President can sign or veto.

And challenges can ultimately make it to SCOTUS, who can review.


GravatarI was hoping the Leg would reassert itself as the pre-eminent branch.

Oi. Can that wait until we get one that isn't conditioned to lick corporate boots?


Gravatarhurrafoons.


GravatarThe one that took out Kauai last time, during an el Nino, was called Hurricane Iniki


GravatarI was hoping the Leg would reassert itself as the pre-eminent branch.

heh heh... let's not get ahead of ourselves.


GravatarCan the IRS do anything? Seems like those gifts are within the letter of the law.
BlueinColorado

The problem, I think, is that while the payoff was structured as a gift, it may be illegal if it was intended to buy silence, which appears to be the case. Kinda like laundering money with deposits under $10k to try to avoid scruntiny.


GravatarTyphicanes.

What about the people who call them cyclones, hater?


Gravatarfine. they can pass laws but they are void.

the president can sign and ignore the void parts

challenges on political questions are unlikely. regardless, the president is as equal and interpreter on constitutionality as the SC on these issues.

Bush's were just WRONG and EXTREME. this one of obama's is fine.


GravatarCyphoocanes.


GravatarIn the eastern Pacific region -- including Hawaii -- they are still called hurricanes.

Ya learn something every day...but didn't you mean the western Pacific? I live near the US continental coast, which as I understand it IS the eastern Pacific.


GravatarWhat about the people who call them cyclones, hater?
dan mcenroe | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:11 pm | #


Those are Australians.


Gravatarhurrafoons.
pretzel


The honey-monster in Winnie the Pooh?

The problem, I think, is that while the payoff was structured as a gift, it may be illegal if it was intended to buy silence, which appears to be the case.

But wouldn't they have to prove that the senior Ensigns knew this was their son's intent? It was, and they probably did, but it would be damn hard to prove.


GravatarThose are Australians.

Oh. That's different. Never mind.


GravatarLOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Singer Michael Jackson took more than 10 Xanax pills a night, asking his employees to get the prescription medicine under their names and also personally traveling to doctors' offices in other states to obtain them, said a confidential document from 2004 that CNN obtained Thursday.

The document from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department contains confidential interviews conducted with two of Jackson's former security guards as officials prepared for Jackson's child molestation trial in 2005.

The singer was acquitted after the 14-week trial. But the information about the pills, and the lengths Jackson went to get them, adds to a growing mountain of claims tying the insomniac singer to drugs in recent days.


What's amazing is that in spite of all his personal problems and other committments, he was a still a great father to his children.

One of his many natural talents, I guess.


Gravatarthe point is, this statement by Obama is pretty moderate. he is just saying Congress has no power interfering with his exclusive power to conduct foreign affairs. and that is a pretty moderate and founded opinion.


Gravatarasking his employees to get the prescription medicine under their names and also personally traveling to doctors' offices in other states to obtain them,

Start calling Rush "Fat MJ".


GravatarOT, but can anybody explain to me why on Dog's green earth I bought HP desktops a couple of years ago? Damn things don't have BIOS updates available, and no other support seems to exist, besides Replace It.

OTOH, I just kicked my Shuttle sn68sg2 up to 3.1 GHz and it crackles!


Gravatarwell i would hope they would interfere with initiating baseless wars.


GravatarYa learn something every day...but didn't you mean the western Pacific? I live near the US continental coast, which as I understand it IS the eastern Pacific.

That's what I said -- eastern Pacific = hurricanes. The storms that form in the eastern Pacific -- mainly near the Pacific coast of Mexico -- are called hurricanes. That nomenclature carries basically to the International Date Line. Those that form on the other side of the international date line (i.e. in the western Pacific) are called typhoons -- unless they form in the southern region near Australia, in which case, they are called cyclones.


Gravatareuph,
Without further research, I agree, although I am troubled by the general concept of signing a law but with the caveat that a President can ignore certain parts.

Bush turned into an art form, then into a habit, then a whole new way of governing.


Gravatarthey could stop funding them.


GravatarBush's were just WRONG and EXTREME. this one of obama's is fine.
euphronius failure


That's if you accept the premise that executive signing statements modifying legislation are okay.

I'd rather just do away with those signing statements altogether.


GravatarThe Senate 'thuglicans are just not that bright.
-----
Senate Republicans have quite the line up of opposition witnesses set to go next week during the Sotomayor confirmation hearings, including Frank Ricci, the New Haven firefighter who just won his reverse discrimination case after taking it all the way to the Supreme Court.

What I didn't know is that, as Brian Beutler explains at TPMDC, Ricci landed a job with the fire department back in 1997 as part of a settlement of his own regular old discrimination suit (he has dyslexia). Not exactly the guy you would expect the GOP to make a poster boy for all of us "oppressed" white men. --David Kurtz
----

They must piss all over themselves in the Senate Restrooms.


GravatarThose are Australians

A cyclone ate my baby!


Gravatarthe president is as equal and interpreter on constitutionality as the SC on these issues.

Which is where the veto power comes in.


Gravatarthey could stop funding them.
euphronius failure | 07.10.09 - 2:17 pm | #

yeah but that still leaves the president too free to embroil the us in entanglements.


GravatarThat's what I said -- eastern Pacific = hurricanes. The storms that form in the eastern Pacific -- mainly near the Pacific coast of Mexico -- are called hurricanes. That nomenclature carries basically to the International Date Line. Those that form on the other side of the international date line (i.e. in the western Pacific) are called typhoons -- unless they form in the southern region near Australia, in which case, they are called cyclones.

So is Hawaii considered to be in the eastern or western Pacific?


Gravatarif all Obama is saying is that he is not applying the unconstitutional parts, so be it.


that is different that saying "i dont like this valid law, and refuse to apply it"


GravatarBush turned into an art form, then into a habit, then a whole new way of governing.


Only takes one SOB fucking around to screw it up for everybody...


Gravataryes euph but in bush's hands they are one and the same.


GravatarThey must piss all over themselves in the Senate Restrooms.
bo, apostate


Larry Craig helps them out with that.


Gravataryeah bush showed how fragile our govt can be.


Gravatar
That's if you accept the premise that executive signing statements modifying legislation are okay.

I'd rather just do away with those signing statements altogether.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 2:17 pm | # [kill]​[hid


He isnt not modifying it.

the unconstitutional parts are void.

I would agree that modifying valid legislation would be a huge problem. which is what Bush did A LOT.


GravatarSo is Hawaii considered to be in the eastern or western Pacific?
Tlazolteotl | 07.10.09 - 2:19 pm | #


Eastern. It is to the east of the International Date Line.


GravatarHelp!  I've been locked out of the CCR registry!


GravatarSenate Republicans have quite the line up of opposition witnesses set to go next week during the Sotomayor confirmation hearings, including Frank Ricci, the New Haven firefighter who just won his reverse discrimination case after taking it all the way to the Supreme Court.

Regardless of his personal story, what does he really have to contribute to the hearing. The legal reasoning of Sotomayor's decision was sound enough to get the support of 4 out of 9 Supreme Court justices, and Mr. Ricci has no legal expertise. I guess they intend to parade him as a victim, but he's hardly suffered.


Gravataryeah he's just there for empath- i mean, for his vast legal skills.


Gravatarevening moonbats


GravatarAfternoon, freaks & friends.

What's up?


Gravatarlook, lets say congress passed a 500 billion dollar budget or whatever and one of the clauses in it directed President Obama to crown Derek Jeter as "King of Siam"

would Obama have to do that?


GravatarRegardless of his personal story, what does he really have to contribute to the hearing.

He's a part of a three ring circus.


GravatarGWPDA is no fortunate son


Gravatareek!

f-f-f-f-f-f-frothing, r-r-r-r-r-ranting "global warming" religionist James Hansen bashes W-W-W-W-Waxman-Markey!

"The fact is that the climate course set by Waxman-Markey is a disaster course. Their bill is an astoundingly inefficient way to get a tiny reduction of emissions. It's less than worthless, because it will delay by at least a decade starting on a path that is fundamentally sound from the standpoints of both economics and climate preservation...."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ dr...f_b_228597.html

teh u-u-u-u-utter h-h-h-h-horror!

woe 'R us!

teh e-e-e-e-end is n-n-n-n-n-nigh!


Gravatarwent to see Public Enemies earlier this afternoon

love me some Johnny Depp!

the period detailing and costumes were wonderful as well

yes was v impressed by it


Gravatarwould Obama have to do that?
euphronius failure | 07.10.09 - 2:23 pm | # '

what's geter's batting average?


GravatarRegardless of his personal story, what does he really have to contribute to the hearing.

He's a part of a three ring circus.
billy b |


"That mean lady tried to take my job away! WAAAAAAHHHHHH!"

I believe that about covers his testimony.


Gravatarand one of the clauses in it directed President Obama to crown Derek Jeter as "King of Siam"


heh.


GravatarWell he could refuse to sign such a bill, or alternately, refuse to do it, and let them try to make him.


Gravatarquiet worn out tho, indulged in a spot of retail therapy as well while I was in Bath


GravatarI think the president should have singing statements.


Gravatari dont see what the signing statement adds.


GravatarIn response to my letter to Senator Carper

These reforms are meaningful and represent a significant shift in our
health care system. However, I do think that if these reforms are not
enough to keep the insurance companies honest, and they may not be, then
there should be an alternative for consumers. As I mentioned, there is
no clear consensus on what the public plan would look like - some favor
a Medicare-style program but with higher reimbursement rates, others
favor a co-op health insurance provider that is owned and operated by
the patients, rather than by a for-profit corporation. Another option is
to wait a set amount of time, and if the reforms have not resulted in
quality affordable health care for those currently without it, then the
public plan would take effect.


Weasley son of a bitch.


GravatarHe isnt not modifying it.

I misunderstood, and should clarify. Signing statements that don't substantively affect legislation, I don't have a problem with. Like something saying, "This bill declaring the awesomeness of puppies is the coolest thing ever, and it is a pleasure to sign it into law."

But anything of the "The executive branch shall construe..." nature, not so much.


GravatarWell he could refuse to sign such a bill, or alternately, refuse to do it, and let them try to make him.
C/T, translator | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:24 pm | #

exactly.

and his refusal to do it would be solid and I would be persuaded by its validity.


Gravatarso what have I missed today?



GravatarLike Harry Reasoner in the infamous CBS "Hippie Temptation" newscast, the sociologists at RedState have identified a signifier of the forthcoming apocalypse: young men with beards and red shirts.

http://www.redstate.com/ moe_lane...nemployment.jpg


Gravatarf-f-f-f-f-f-frothing, r-r-r-r-r-ranting "global warming" religionist James Hansen bashes W-W-W-W-Waxman-Markey!


Trying to urinate with an advanced gonorrheal infection can be painful...


GravatarCCR registry!
help

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Gravatarsigning statements are just a formality.

they dont even need to do them. its just formal conversation with Congress and the world.


GravatarOops, should be "loud" shirts, not "red" shirts.


Gravatarlol is that why he cant type.


GravatarStrange, I've been listening to Creedence Clearwater Revival for years, I've never had to register....


GravatarEuph, seems to me President Obama does not have the Constitutional authority to decide, on his own, what is and is not Constitutional. I believe that power rests with the courts.


GravatarOne could argue that once a President has signed it, is law, and he is bound to enforce it.

Except his oath is to the Constitution, so I would probably only accept such an argument on those grounds.


Gravatarthey dont even need to do them. its just formal conversation with Congress and the world.

And when Bush signed all his statements the message was "Fuck You! heh heh heh".


Gravatarwhats Obama done?


GravatarI don't think that word 'religion' means what you think it means.....


GravatarStrange, I've been listening to Creedence Clearwater Revival for years, I've never had to register....

The royalties business is becoming more of a pain in the ass.


Gravatarhums rollin on the river to self


Gravatargummo's got mail.


GravatarEuph, seems to me President Obama does not have the Constitutional authority to decide, on his own, what is and is not Constitutional. I believe that power rests with the courts.
QL-


Your pre-9/11 thinking is going to get you in trouble some day, young lady!


GravatarWeasley son of a bitch.
QL-


don't let stoat hear you say that.


Gravatarsimilar to a judicial opinion attached to an order. the opinion adds nothing really, but adds to the persuasive power and communication of the act.

opinions also create precedent in a way. so not exact - but still.


GravatarUnite: membership, bank balance down


Gravatarwhats Obama done?

not enough/too much/the wrong thing.


Gravatargummo's got mail.
billy b


Gummo's at work.

Gummo will see his mail when he gets home?


GravatarQL - one could argue the Prez is i in fact obliged to make such decisions, as part of his oath.


Gravatarwell it seems to me that the nature of signing statements is a little vague, right now.


Gravatarsociologists at RedState have identified a signifier of the forthcoming apocalypse: young men with beards and red shirts.

One of my favorite lines in Hammett's "Red Harvest" -- the Continental Op spots a guy wearing a red tie: "Does that tie mean anything?" And it does -- the guy's a union man.


GravatarGummo will see his mail when he gets home?


I should hope so.



Gravatarnot enough/too much/the wrong thing.
The Old Man From Scene 24


Five whole months, and he still has not addressed Issue X.


GravatarIn his pomp he was known as the "minister for cocaine", a corrupt and ruthless military despot who collaborated with drug cartels and terrorised Bolivia.

Luis Arce-Gómez, interior minister in the Andean nation's 1980-81 dictatorship, made an infamous warning to foes to "walk around with their wills under their arms".

But when the former burly colonel returned home yesterday he was a shrivelled, white-haired figure too feeble to even walk into the prison where he is expected to end his days.
The United States has deported the 71-year-old to face justice in Bolivia after he spent almost 20 years in a Florida prison for drug trafficking.

Arce-Gómez, who once recruited the Nazi Klaus Barbie as an adviser, faces 30 years in La Paz's Chonchocoro prison for at least eight crimes including genocide and political assassinations.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/...olivia- deported


Gravatarpre-9/11 thinking. . . de minimus non curat lex. . .


GravatarEuph, seems to me President Obama does not have the Constitutional authority to decide, on his own, what is and is not Constitutional. I believe that power rests with the courts.
QL-


the executive is a coequal branch. its interpretation of the constitution is as valid as any other branch. the supreme court only has the "last word" in justiciable cases and controversies. and that is a bit of case law in itself. I suppose it is persuasive that that power is "built in" to the constitution, but it is not explicit.
still Congress and the executive can override the supreme court so . . .


GravatarHearing Bush do a singing statement was truly horrible.


GravatarThe Consitution is not a suicide pact and the President's duty to the country is to ignore the Constitution if adhering to its strict interpretation would harm the country's interest.


GravatarMoonbootica, you missed a very helpful compendium of what exactly R. Kelly wants to do to his listeners:

http://www.avclub.com/articles/m...ly-wants,30031/


GravatarProfessor George Abu-Yoo

Nym of the Week Award.


Gravatarwhats Obama done?

Tried to establish an unconstitutional oglearchy.


GravatarMoonbootica, you missed a very helpful compendium of what exactly R. Kelly wants to do to his listeners:

http://www.avclub.com/articles/m...ly-wants,30031/
Jay C. | 07.10.09 - 2:32 pm | #


did I?

what a shame

/snark


Gravataras you can see by now, I think teh American executive is WAY too powerful.


Gravataryeah, im a little leery of presidents deciding what is constitutional, after 8 years of bush. i know obama is a better guy, but still...


GravatarGummo's at work.

Gummo will see his mail when he gets home?


The suspense will kill Gummo.


GravatarQL - one could argue the Prez is i in fact obliged to make such decisions, as part of his oath.
C/T


Then he can veto. I know the real world practicalities of doing so and so understand the reluctance to start a political war over this. But he is not the king.


GravatarJust found out that someone I know is going to be on a reality show.


Gravataralthough I am troubled by the general concept of signing a law but with the caveat that a President can ignore certain parts.

Bush turned into an art form, then into a habit, then a whole new way of governing.



exactly. Plus the fact that though while I often don't like it, all of those parts were included in order for Congress to actually pass whatever bill it is. I'd prefer if they would take one issue at a time and quit combining shit, but the whole "democracy/comprise" thing is lost if a president can pick and choose what parts he likes.

In other words, it is fucking bullshit Obama. Didn't he promise to do away with signing statements or was I just high on The Decemberists?


GravatarTried to establish an unconstitutional oglearchy.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 2:33 pm | #




Gravatarok say he vetoes and teh bill is passed over his veto. he still does not have to enforce the parts he finds unconstitutional.


Gravatarwell power is a powerful seducer


GravatarTried to establish an unconstitutional oglearchy.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 2:33 pm | #


youre getting merkinized


Gravatarwhats Obama done?

did/did not look at ass.


Gravatarhe still does not have to enforce the parts he finds unconstitutional.
euphronius failure | 07.10.09 - 2:35 pm | #

like giving detainees trials?


Gravatar euphronius : ok say he vetoes and teh bill is passed over his veto. he still does not have to enforce the parts he finds unconstitutional.

Hi - not a lawyer, here, but that sounds like grounds for impeachment at that point.
~


Gravataras you can see by now, I think teh American executive is WAY too powerful.
euphronius failure


But is that a constitutional issue or a social issue? The constitution hasn't changed, but the other branches of gov't have become way too deferential to the executive. I think that's partly b/c media coverage tends to focus on the president; I'm not sure.

Local/state gov't has way more opportunity to and is way more likely to make your life hell but you see almost no reporting on it.


GravatarUnionising call centres


Gravatar he still does not have to enforce the parts he finds unconstitutional.

There is that pesky part of the oath of office that says something about "faithfully execute the laws."


GravatarIn other words, it is fucking bullshit Obama. Didn't he promise to do away with signing statements or was I just high on The Decemberists?
ErinPDX


I thought he did as well and I don't even know who or what the fucking Decemberists are.


Gravatarwell politicians say all sorts of things to get elected

cynical I know but thats the way they play it


GravatarBut is that a constitutional issue or a social issue? The constitution hasn't changed, but the other branches of gov't have become way too deferential to the executive. I think that's partly b/c media coverage tends to focus on the president; I'm not sure.

Local/state gov't has way more opportunity to and is way more likely to make your life hell but you see almost no reporting on it.
dan mcenroe | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:37 pm | # [k


both.
the War Powers Act was a major capitulation, dont forget.


GravatarTried to establish an unconstitutional oglearchy.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 2:33 pm | #


Libby, | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:35 pm | #

Oh, that was a good one - had to read it three times.
~


GravatarIf anyone in the Chicago are gets a chance to listen to 670 AM (The Score) today please do. The on air co-host Steve Rosenbloom is drunk and sounds it. The show came on at 1pm and goes till 6pm. Should be an enjoyable listen.


Gravatarthe executive is stronger than it used to be.


GravatarDidn't he promise to do away with signing statements

You're asking me to remember back that far? So hazy......

But I do seem to recall something along those lines. I also recall something about getting rid of DADT and DOMA, also.


GravatarWhy is there never a sardine or a John around when you need one.


GravatarChicago are = Chicago area


Gravatarwell impeachment is in the Constitution, too.

Ideally, I would like to see such issues resolved, if they must be, by the Scotus, which at least has 9 men and women educated in the law, as opposed to Congress and the President.


GravatarThere is that pesky part of the oath of office that says something about "faithfully execute the laws."
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair | 07.10.09 - 2:38 pm | #


He's not doing enough to enforce DOMA?


GravatarHi - not a lawyer, here, but that sounds like grounds for impeachment at that point.
~
Meander | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:37 pm | # [kil

well what do you know

historical allusion:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Impeachment_of_Andrew_Johnson


Gravatarthe War Powers Act was a major capitulation, dont forget.
euphronius failure


Yes - I don't know why anyone got behind that. Why be in the Senate if you're going to give away all your authority?


GravatarThere is that pesky part of the oath of office that says something about "faithfully execute the laws."
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair | 07.10.09 - 2:38 pm
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well, an unconstitutional law is void . .so no problem there.


GravatarIdeally, I would like to see such issues resolved, if they must be, by the Scotus, which at least has 9 men and women educated in the law, as opposed to Congress and the President.
C/T, translator | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:40 pm | #


Really? You want the body that produced Cruikshank and Bush v Gore and decided that it was unconstitutional to limit child labor to be the final arbiter?


GravatarTime for an angry mob of DC residents to storm the WaPo offices and defenestrate all the editors.

Not until the space underneath the windows is properly prepared with a bed of spikes, wooden or metal.


Gravatari would like to see a sup ct ruling on the way bush used signing statements. well, after obama appoints another rational person to the court (assuming sotomayor is confirmed).


Gravatarthey are insane! - A man died this morning after being gored in the neck and lung during the famous San Fermin running of the bulls fiesta in the northern Spanish city of Pamplona.

The runner, Daniel Gimeno Romero, 27, from Alcalá de Henares, near Madrid, was one of more than a dozen people rushed to hospital after one of the most dangerous runs in recent years. Nobody had died as a result of goring since 1995 during the annual San Fermin fiesta, in which half-tonne bulls charge along an 850-metre course through the city's streets with a crowd of runners.

The victim was taken straight into the operating theatre but doctors were unable to save him. He had been on holiday with his parents and girlfriend, who identified him. Early reports that the dead man was British turned out to be incorrect.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/...ll-man- pamplona


GravatarIf anyone in the Chicago are gets a chance to listen to 670 AM (The Score) today please do. The on air co-host Steve Rosenbloom is drunk and sounds it.

Shouldn't he be sticking to covering poker and writing that horseshit blog of his?


Gravatar
Ideally, I would like to see such issues resolved, if they must be, by the Scotus, which at least has 9 men and women educated in the law, as opposed to Congress and the President.
C/T, translator | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:40 pm | #


snark?


Gravatarhttp://www.opensecrets.org/news/ ...__470x323,0.jpg

This striking image is damning evidence of Obama's notorious obsession with kleenex.


Gravatarwell, an unconstitutional law is void . .so no problem there.

IIRC it's not void until SCOTUS declares it unconstitutional and, therefore, void.


Gravatarthe executive is stronger than it used to be.
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 2:39 pm | #



Everyone says that, but Wilson's War and Red Scare was pretty damn strong.


GravatarIdeally, I would like to see such issues resolved, if they must be, by the Scotus, which at least has 9 men and women educated in the law, as opposed to Congress and the President.
C/T


Real world, that would suck up all the energy and movement and nothing else would get done. Instead of fighting about health care reform or a new stimulus we would all be arguing the power of the unitary presidency. Hence the signing statement. I understand the motive and even the necessity, but I still don't like it.


Gravatari would like to see a sup ct ruling on the way bush used signing statements. well, after obama appoints another rational person to the court (assuming sotomayor is confirmed).
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 2:42 pm | # [kill]​[hide c


thats either a political question, which the SC wont touch, or no one has standing to challenge it.

there are elections you know.


GravatarIIRC it's not void until SCOTUS declares it unconstitutional and, therefore, void.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair | 07.10.09 - 2:43

no. the SC only has jurisdiction on a small small number of issues of limited scope. and even then, they avoid political questions.


Gravatarthere are elections you know.
euphronius failure


Elections are biased in favor of the person who gets the most votes.


GravatarA man died this morning after being gored in the neck and lung during the famous San Fermin running of the bulls fiesta in the northern Spanish city of Pamplona.

The runner, Daniel Gimeno Romero, 27, from Alcalá de Henares, near Madrid, was one of more than a dozen people rushed to hospital after one of the most dangerous runs in recent years. Nobody had died as a result of goring since 1995 during the annual San Fermin fiesta, in which half-tonne bulls charge along an 850-metre course through the city's streets with a crowd of runners.


I'm always happy to hear about a victory for the animals.

This summer has been a disappointing one for zoo and circus attacks.


GravatarYou folks hit on something up there about that War Powers Act that I had not thought of before.

Does that mean that we paid salaries to Senators all those years and continue to do so, yet they are muted?


GravatarI know they take long lunches in socialist countries, but this is ridiculous.


GravatarI have sardines in the pantry.  Some very nice, fat Portuguese ones.


GravatarDog pictures from today.


http://thumbsnap.com/v/o1QvLAnS.jpg
http://thumbsnap.com/v/IaIYjov6.jpg
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Gravatarthats either a political question, which the SC wont touch, or no one has standing to challenge it.

well i think he went way beyond his constitutional authority in the way he used them. that looks to me like a legal question.


GravatarJeebus.

CIA Director Leon Panetta has terminated a "very serious" covert program the spy agency kept secret from Congress for eight years, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, a House Intelligence subcommittee chairwoman, said Friday.

Schakowsky is pressing for an immediate committee investigation of the classified program, which has not been described publicly. Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, has said he is considering an investigation.

"The program is a very, very serious program and certainly deserved a serious debate at the time and through the years," Schakowsky told The Associated Press in an interview. "But now it's over."


I wanna see this shit play out on TV so this country has some idea of how reckless the former admin was. I don't give a fuck if they cut into "General Hospital"...air it.


GravatarThe runner, Daniel Gimeno Romero, 27, from Alcalá de Henares, near Madrid, was one of more than a dozen people rushed to hospital after one of the most dangerous runs in recent years.

"The rolled up newspaper, It does nothing!"


GravatarThis striking image is damning evidence of Obama's notorious obsession with kleenex.
Stunt Woman


does the name plate say Mr. Dodo or Mr. Dood?


GravatarDog pictures from today.
Doug


What a big shmoopyface!


Gravatarbasically, COngress impeached Johnson because he refused to carry out Reconstruction.

so yes it has been done.


Gravatarwell i think he went way beyond his constitutional authority in the way he used them. that looks to me like a legal question.
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 2:46 pm | # [kill]​[hide com
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who? Obama or bush?


GravatarBush gave Tenant the Presidential Medal of Freedom.


GravatarThis summer has been a disappointing one for zoo and circus attacks.
Stunt Woman


It will cheer you up to learn that a bear has figured out how to unlatch my garbage shed.


GravatarGiven the positions people are taking here, I'm surprised my opinion was controversial.

How else do you propose to resolve a standoff between Congress and the President? Thumb wrestling?


Gravatarno. the SC only has jurisdiction on a small small number of issues of limited scope. and even then, they avoid political questions.

Bullshit. That would leave the President as the only one who could decide if a law was unconstitutional, since the Legislative Branch wouldn't declare it unconstitutional since they passed it.


GravatarThe constitution hasn't changed, but the other branches of gov't have become way too deferential to the executive. I think that's partly b/c media coverage tends to focus on the president; I'm not sure.

Those are some interesting points.

I'm trying to remember what the reaction was to Clinton, particularly as concerns the role of the Executive branch at the time. How much, if at all, was he considered to be affecting its powers/limitations? The fact that Bush and Cheney actively worked to subvert the Constitution and remold the Exec in their twisted image, and the fact that Obama is the first POTUS after them, and therefore, is implicitly expected to either affirm or refute their Exec philosophy might be skewing things.


GravatarHow else do you propose to resolve a standoff between Congress and the President? Thumb wrestling?
C/T, translator | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:48 pm | # [k

elections


Gravatarbush, euph. im not saying obama is using them in the same way.


GravatarIt will cheer you up to learn that a bear has figured out how to unlatch my garbage shed.
Al


Unlatch rather than bash the door in? That is one genteel bear.


GravatarBush gave Tenant the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Unrepentant Fenian


He was a great Doctor Who, but that's a bit much, I think.


GravatarThis summer has been a disappointing one for zoo and circus attacks.
Stunt Woman

It will cheer you up to learn that a bear has figured out how to unlatch my garbage shed.


It's hard to throw away my chinese take-out containers if it's locked, dude.


GravatarBullshit. That would leave the President as the only one who could decide if a law was unconstitutional, since the Legislative Branch wouldn't declare it unconstitutional since they passed it.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair | 07.10.09 - 2:48 pm
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but that is exactly the case.


GravatarThumb wrestling?

Rock paper scissors.


GravatarLet's debate Marbury v. Madison.


Gravatarttp://thumbsnap.com/v/o1QvLAnS.jpg
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Should Be
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GravatarBush gave Tenant the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

LBJ gave one to Robert McNamara. So, the tradition of rewarding failure a long one.


GravatarThat is one genteel bear.
dan mcenroe


yep, and far too clever. Which reminds me, I need to get a bigger latch today.


GravatarThumb wrestling?

Rock paper scissors.
dan mcenroe


Rock paper scissors lizard Spock.


Gravatarhttp://thumbsnap.com/v/AGO19Mt9.jpg


Gravataroh there is no doubt Bush went way overboard.

he should have been impeached in 2002.


Gravatarand therefore, is implicitly expected to either affirm or refute their Exec philosophy might be skewing things.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 07.10.09 - 2:48 pm | #


well, yes his actions are seen in that context. that's why im so unclear about signing statements, the way they've been used the past several years. are elections the only remedy?


GravatarDoug | 07.10.09 - 2:46 pm |

what a cutie.


Gravatarbut that is exactly the case.

Then we have a dictator and not a president.


GravatarThumb wrestling?

Rock paper scissors.
dan mcenroe

Rock paper scissors lizard Spock.
Gummo | 07.10.09 - 2:50 pm | #


Strip poker


GravatarRock paper scissors.
dan mcenroe


It's now rock paper scissors spock lizard.

http://www.samkass.com/theories/...ries/ RPSSL.html


GravatarThen we have a dictator and not a president.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair


Welcome to the new millennium.


GravatarJebus Chripes on iceskates.

Cover of TIME this week:

Governor Point Guard and under it in big letters:

"RENEGADE"

What is with the MSM in this country and their love affair with this idiot?


Gravataroops! What're you drinking, gummo?


GravatarCan i declare this


THREADZILLA


GravatarHow else do you propose to resolve a standoff between Congress and the President?

Lawn Dart duel - 15 paces, turn and toss.


Gravatar"Oh bother, latched again. Most inconsiderate of local fauna, I must say. This area used to attract a much more refined class of human."

/Ali's bear


GravatarThen we have a dictator and not a president.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair | 07.10.09 - 2:51 pm |


no COngress has lots of options to reighn him im.'


plus on issues that ARE with the SC scope, they trump the president. there jsut isnt very many.


GravatarGovernor Point Guard and under it in big letters:

"RENEGADE"




She's a Renegade of Funk?


Gravataroops! What're you drinking, gummo?
Ali


A coke is fine.

And I didn't know that some net geeks invented Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock. I got it from the TV show "The Big Bang Theory".

Which is about some net geeks so....


Gravatar"yep, and far too clever. Which reminds me, I need to get a bigger latch today."

Try a combination lock. I find that black bears in particular are neither deft enough to spin the dial nor focused enough to remember combinations of one or two digit numbers. ADHD seems to be a problem with this species.


GravatarI'm not understanding. My only point is with regard to who should have the final say, ideally, on the matter of what the law is, it's the Supreme Court.


GravatarWhat is with the MSM in this country and their love affair with this idiot?

It is based in their contempt for ordinary citizens. They all believe we love this shit because Sarah amuses them.


Gravatar"RENEGADE"

My favorite Styx song from my childhood.


Gravataroh there is no doubt Bush went way overboard.

he should have been impeached in 2002.
euphronius failure


That wasn't gonna happen.

Since 9-11 elevated his popularity to new heights.

Even though he looked like a deer in the headlights when it happened.


GravatarCan i declare this


THREADZILLA


I call him 'Gamblor'!!


GravatarEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!


Gravataralso Dan McEnroe, the SC's theories of immunization for the executive branch have grown. that is a big change.

and the adoption of large executive offices using regulatory power is a big change.


GravatarTHREADZILLA

I call him 'Gamblor'!!
AndyG


Zap...You're name has evolved again...are you now "The Nootrious Andy G"


GravatarWhat is with the MSM in this country and their love affair with this idiot?

It is based in their contempt for ordinary citizens. They all believe we love this shit because Sarah amuses them.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair


It's a patronizing contempt. "Well, WE know she's an idiot, a liar and a thief, but the rubes seem to like her."


GravatarWhat is with the MSM in this country and their love affair with this idiot?

It is based in their contempt for ordinary citizens. They all believe we love this shit because Sarah amuses them.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair


Hey, for a long time they were in love with Bush.

They worship The Stoopid.


GravatarTry a combination lock.

Yes do. We bears love to rip the lock shackles off things "protected" by them.


GravatarADHD seems to be a problem with this species.
montanaheadcold |




Just need a big gate latch. I think that'll stop it. Going to the feed store to see what they've got.


GravatarI'm not understanding. My only point is with regard to who should have the final say, ideally, on the matter of what the law is, it's the Supreme Court.
C/T, translator | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 2:53 pm | #

i guess. it depends though. paradoxically, that "solution" would istelf be a violation of the constitutional scope of the Supreme Court. so meh.


GravatarIt's nice of Atrios to leave the lunch thread open for the West Coasters.


GravatarI haven't had to declare THREADZILLA in a few years...only when a thread passes 500 can it even hope to be THREADZILLA


Gravatarthe SC's theories of immunization for the executive branch have grown.

Well, for Republican executives, anyway.


GravatarReally? You want the body that produced Cruikshank and Bush v Gore and decided that it was unconstitutional to limit child labor to be the final arbiter?
Anonymous


You read my mind.


GravatarOf course, once it can't open the latch, then it *will* tear the wood apart. Sigh.


Gravatarbut that is exactly the case.
euphronius


Do you need another shovel?


GravatarThreadzilla and MachaThreadZilla


GravatarI saw Mothra posting on this THREADZILLA so it's all good


GravatarIt's nice of Atrios to leave the lunch thread open for the West Coasters. - ThatGuy

Be nice if the tables got bussed after the Easties were done, though.


GravatarThis summer has been a disappointing one for zoo and circus attacks.
Stunt Woman

damn sharks are taking the summer off, too.


Gravatarif the COngress and the president say it is constitutional it is probably constitutional.


GravatarOne of India's leading politicians faced calls hasfor his resignation after more than 100 people died from drinking bootleg alcohol in the western state of Gujarat.

The victims, mostly from the slums of Ahmedabad, Gujarat's largest city, began dying at the start of the week. The death toll has risen to 112 in Gujarat's worst case of moonshine poisoning in a decade. Last year, nearly 170 people died after drinking toxic liquor in southern India.

The affair has escalated into a political crisis for Narendra Modi, a member of the Bharatiya Janata party (BJP) and the state's chief minister, whose appeals for calm have failed to quell public anger.

Such is the scale of the tragedy, doctors have been rushed from across the state to Ahmedabad to help treat 150 critically ill patients in three hospitals.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/...bootleg- alcohol


Gravatarif the COngress and the president say it is constitutional it is probably constitutional.
euphronius failure


Actually, there's A Very Magic 8-Ball locked in a secure room at the top of the Washington Monument. It's the final arbiter.


GravatarIt's a patronizing contempt. "Well, WE know she's an idiot, a liar and a thief, but the rubes seem to like her."
Gummo


I'm not so sure about that. The smart journos, certainly, but I'd bet the majority of them actually like her. Just like Bush.


GravatarSo I've been asked for weeks to take this day off of work, so we can go to the Bliss fest.

3pm and the car is still being packed. About 1/3 of our entire worldly possessions is in the van...for a less-than-48 trip. We seem to have another 1/3 of our possessions to go.

This is like...low-grade stand-up comic fodder going on here ^_^


Gravatarso, hypothetically, congress learns of bush admin torturing people and is outraged, orders him to stop. he refuses. they get an injuction, it goes to the sup ct. the sup ct cant refuse it for being a political question, can it?


Gravatari think CT where the SC does its most work in this scheme is governing the relationship between the state and the individual. THERE is think the SC reigns supreme.

w.r.t interbranch kerfuffles, it is just another branch. imho.


GravatarSheets in honor of Libby

S H E E T S ahead.


GravatarTweet Sheeeeeets


Gravatar The smart journos, certainly, but I'd bet the majority of them actually like her. Just like Bush.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan


Fuck, that's so scary.

I'd rather our journos were smart people with a bad attitude rather than idiots.


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Gravatarlunch is over sheets


Gravatarso, hypothetically, congress learns of bush admin torturing people and is outraged, orders him to stop. he refuses. they get an injuction, it goes to the sup ct. the sup ct cant refuse it for being a political question, can it?
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they cant get an injunction. the president cannot be enjoined in his official duties. that case would never be heard anyway as it is not justciable. Congress cant be a party in taht case.


GravatarWhat is with the MSM in this country and their love affair with this idiot?

It is based in their contempt for ordinary citizens. They all believe we love this shit because Sarah amuses them.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair


Car chases; stabbings in bars; missing white women; shark attacks; kidnappings; salacious murders.

News is mostly reporting on the freak show aspects of human society. Occasional reporting on a plan to fill potholes makes the rest seem legitimate, because the majority of the news is gossip about who's doing what to whom and how, and what somebody else thinks about it.


GravatarWhy isn't tragic that Dems have to compromise? Why is democracy tragic?
C/T, translator

Let's ask the Blue Dogs.


GravatarOne of Harper's chief communications aides, Dimitri Soudas, said he had mistakenly informed the prime minister that comments by an academic about Canada's irrelevance in the G8 were actually Ignatieff's.

The academic said Canada is at risk of being shut out of such international councils.

Harper took those comments and ran with them in both official languages during his closing news conference at the Group of Eight summit.

He accused Ignatieff of being "irresponsible," saying the Liberal leader is "supposed to be a Canadian."

Shortly after the 45-minute news conference ended, Soudas rushed to inform Canadian media that he'd misread an email, wrongly attributed a quote to Ignatieff and then advised the prime minister to comment publicly on the matter.

Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae said that the matter showed Harper's true character.

"I think all Canadians have to recognize that we have the smallest man on the world stage that it's possible to imagine, and that's Stephen Harper," Rae said in an interview.

"He never misses an opportunity to stoop. Not to conquer, just to throw mud."



GravatarOf course, once it can't open the latch, then it *will* tear the wood apart. Sigh.
Ali


Only because you have forced my hand. I find fisticuffs most distasteful.

/Ali's bear


Gravataryes but as I said if such must be resolved, and they need not always be, if someone is going to have the final say, it should be the Scotus.

They got child labor wrong but really either we have the court or we don't.


GravatarI have yet to pack my suitcase

but I have all my stuff ready

just gotta focus tomorrow, after my manicure and pedicure


Gravatar
Cover of TIME this week:


Cover of Newsweek:

The Meaning of Michael


GravatarNothing is getting done people. The big money boys are still sticking it to us. Obama is off telling everyone how cool things are. The pubs are telling everyone that the big money boys were well, just boys and to leave them alone. It reminds me of Raygun telling us that big business and banks can police themselves. That really worked well didn't it. It's time to tell Obama to put up or shut up. We need real help out here! We are burning while the Republicans and democrats are fiddling in congress.


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