I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
ha
and i was feeling invisible!!
so i was googling... 8 seconds
From 05.19.2000:
Act Two. Sonny Takes A Fall.
David Foster Wallace reports on a turning point in this year's Presidential primaries: the moment when John McCain failed to respond well to an attack by George Bush ... which arguably ended up costing him the election. (19 minutes)
http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Ep...spx?
episode=160
At 'full episode', starts at 10:00.
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and then i came back here...
to be stopped by quentin...
Thanks for hosting us, atrios.
...the answer is blowin in the wind.
Thanks for hosting us, atrios.
noblejoanie
now i feel greedy for trying to get a home run.
Thanks for the 'blog, Duncan.
And I'm glad you got some inspiration from DFW.
So you were never really a gym teacher?
now i feel greedy for trying to get a home run.
ina, holiday spirit
You're 46. Get over it.
p.s. Hi ina!!!!!
Did you see Palin's interview - it made a spectacularly bloody mess - an abortion of both her political future and her "legacy".
Palin's legacy? Caribou Mom Hell?
It is a misconception to think that everything was hunky dory after 9-11. We were badly traumatized (i.e. peeing out pants). It was not healthy, so it is doubtful anything good could have come out of it directly.
Black Stone Cherry
http://www.myspace.com/blackstonecherry
Thank you for c-spa . . . I mean Eschaton.
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" I started this blog while leading a somewhat lonely and miserable existence in Orange County, CA."
things got better, and that makes me happy 
I've been reading your blog for easily 7 years. I have a very low userid at dailykos (386) and that sort of marks my exposure to the big three or four (eschaton, dailykos, calpundit, and talkingpointsmemo)
It's been a century in blog years.
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RAWK.
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Damn
I did something to my hip
hurts like hell
p.s. Hi ina!!!!!
edub |
The new theme according to some whiny jerk at the API..there will be "backlash" because...well, I don't know why.
Because she had to have an interview without any children? They're actually threatening a backlash over being exposed to a little truth. It's the Swift Boaters all over again.
In dog years, we're dead
“You should be ashamed!” Ivy Frye, the assistant, told her. “Stop blogging. Stop blogging right now!”
Before he was a blogger, Atrios competed in street luge and fronted a skiffle band known as Lucy and the Leakeys.
dirty sanchez.
It's all good dude.
Things fall apart; the center cannot hold..."
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
~~William Butler Yeats
"The Second Coming"(1920)
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Harvest Festival.
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Black Stone Rangers.
Jackie Morales, a records clerk at the Claremont Police Department, said Wallace's wife called police at 9:30 p.m. Friday saying she had returned home to find her husband had hanged himself.
That's some serious loathing of life and oneself.
Civil discourse? Well, you were absolutely correct about that.
In dog years, we're dead
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 09.13.08 - 10:21 pm | #
- Keynes
hurts like hell
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
sorry to hear that.
One long timer here.
A Feast of Friends.
Alive.
She Cried.
Waiting For Me.
Outside.
Rules are not enough to create the conditions for civil behavior, in war or otherwise.
Why does Atrios hate the Geneva Conventions?
Speaking of which, we're now watching Casablanca, having just finished Reservoir Dogs.
"That's some serious loathing of life and oneself."
and a shitty thing to do to your spouse.
. Rules are not enough to create the conditions for civil behavior, in war or otherwise. - Atrios 21:49
Fuck that, I challenge you to a duel.
Sry, ina.
I blame Connecticut.
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"sorry to hear that."
thanks...
it gets no better tomorrow I'm going to the ER
I can't walk right now
That's some serious loathing of life and oneself.
Stunt Woman
I have no idea, myself. Never met the man.
But I doubt he loathed life.
Ericka said her time in OC was the worst 18 months of her life.
I was re-organizing some bookshelves just this afternoon, and kind of keeping a running tally of doorstop novels that I'd never finished. "Infinite Jest" was one of them. Fuck.
(And I, too, am 46...)
don't hate rules. they aren't sufficient. see bush, george
Stuck in the Middle With You, Sam. Play it.
Amy asked, "Did you ever meet Wallace?"
NTodd, I love Casablanca, and it's Monsieur's favorite movie.
I think, however, Monsieur needs comedy tonight. His eye is still not in good shape; still has a huge dark spot near the center of his field of vision.
civil discourse, civil war, whatever.
"Before he was a blogger, Atrios competed in street luge and fronted a skiffle band known as Lucy and the Leakeys."
--Richard
Wrong.
When I got here he was a gym teacher who wore a grey turtleneck sweater.
I can highly recommend a book that helped me understand suicide better, "Night Falls Fast" by Kay Jamison. You will have a lot more sympathetic view for people who feel driven to take their lives, after reading it.
Blodge, meet you there in the morning, eh?
In a civil war, we kill each other with politeness.
Orange County: another name for hell.
don't hate rules. they aren't sufficient. see bush, george
Atrios
Rules aren't sufficient.
See Maslow.
While we are getting all joe maudlin and crying in our root-beers: Duncan has been a sort of mentor to me these years. The relationship has been totally one-way with me reading and he writing, but I get his perspective, if not the totality of his knowledge set.
Keep it up. Don't let the bastards get you down.
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in dog years, everybody dies. it's something we (can never) all share.
Sarah B. | 09.13.08 - 10:22 pm | #
You're probably unaware that I forbade all quoting of "The Second Coming" at all left-wing blogs several years ago.
Please make a note of it!
I remember Atrios from Tabletalk...
Sorry to hear that man who invented the term Eschaton has passed away. I always wondered where that came from but I was too lazy to google it.
Rules are not enough to create the conditions for civil behavior, in war or otherwise.
My problem has always been with the definition of "civil discourse" favored by the fuckheads who are most interested in such things. Their definition requires me to give them the benefit of the doubt long after they've squandered it by, e.g., repeatedly telling lies, attacking strawmen, moving the goalpost, and ignoring basic facts that destroy the flimsy premises upon which their arguments depend.
Fuck these people.
Before he was a blogger, Atrios competed in street luge and fronted a skiffle band known as Lucy and the Leakeys.
Richard |
i was gonna name my first kid 'lucy,' if it was a girl -- 'cause she was as important to me as dr. leakey's girl...
instead it was a miscarriage. by the time i was pregnant again 10 years later, it didn't feel right to use that name.
don't hate rules. they aren't sufficient. see bush, george
Atrios
Gee, ya think? You should totally twitter...
Oops -- should be "Things fall apart; the center cannot hold..."
I missed that first quotation mark -- it must have been the wine.
Note: As in The Black Adder, "been" rhymes with "bean."
Some of us still suffer from English Major's lament.
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"Blodge, meet you there in the morning, eh?"
they'd make a movie of it - grumpy old men
dunno what this is - from a twinge thursday night to bad pain yesterday
better most of today then one wrong step and worse than ever
maxed on otc pain meds
Orange County: another name for hell.
my favorite years in Southern California were spent there, so I'll have to disagree.
Only poem I like. It's grim and reminds me of now.
I'm gonna live forever.
I'm down with OTC, baby. You know me?
nope, never met dfw
Uncle B, Monsieur rented The Bucket List. I suspect that's about his speed right now.
"I can highly recommend a book that helped me understand suicide better, "Night Falls Fast" by Kay Jamison. You will have a lot more sympathetic view for people who feel driven to take their lives, after reading it.
Karin Hussein | 09.13.08 - 10:26 pm | # "
My brother killed himself. No single perspective can explain or justify taking one's life. Each suicide is its own microcosm and we all die alone.
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Can I say something?
Biden's background is so much more touching and impressive than...[fill in the blank, lest I get called a sexist]
His story is making me cry. [Fill in the blank's] history is more about blind ambition.
Evening, all. Gas stations in Nashville are running out of gas. People are threatening to kill employees. And AAA says in Arkansas one gas station is charging $8/gallon.
Peak Oil, beeyatches!!!! Glad I filled last week.
i was gonna name my first kid 'lucy,' if it was a girl -- 'cause she was as important to me as dr. leakey's girl...
Ina, my so's daughter, who just graduated from Amherst (same school as David Foster Wallace) is Lucy.
Mrs. Ibrahim, UC Irvine's not the OC. It's the best parts of the OC. Much of it is horrible.
Orange County: another name for hell.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 09.13.08 - 10:27 pm |
it didn't seem so bad, growin' up there. but now i see.
You too can be a street luger...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T...h?
v=TNJrjoyZI5E
It makes for some pretty spectacular video, but you have to be fucking nuts to do it.
Check out the title of the next related video.
I can't walk right now...
I has hip problems from time to time - a few rainy days in a row can wipe me out. Some combination of aspirin, stretching, and Irish whiskey usually does the trick...
Please make a note of it!
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 10:28 pm | #
If this weren't a solumn occasion marking the untimely passing david Foster Wallace, I would say, "Fuck you!"
But I will exercise restraint.
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I'm just trying to figure out what Haloscan is a metaphor for.
we all die alone.
That's the point. The beginning of everything good.
Hmmm... I just calculated that I have been coming here for almost six years.
Thank you to our host whom I wrote when I first came here to ask what the etiquette was for joining the comments.
To my surprise, he wrote me back and said "just jump right in". This place has been a lifeline to me in many ways.
The conversation here can sometimes be silly, enlightening, challenging or gross. It is the community of Atriots and the spirit of this place that keeps me coming back.
I consider you all (save for the trolls) to be some of the best people I know.
Speaking of which, we're now watching Casablanca, having just finished Reservoir Dogs.
I figure you make your SO's watch 'The Battle of Algiers' the way Alvy Singer made his girlfriends see 'The Sorrow and the Pity'.
"Some combination of aspirin, stretching, and Irish whiskey usually does the trick..."
me too, and that's what usually works for me - but not this time
so this blog WAS named after Infinite Jest?
I didn't know that...I thought I was alone in the blogosphere in having chosen an IJ-based name. We are now best friends! Hooray!
I liked Balboa, Laguna, Huntiongton. Santa Ana was funky and coll if you could speak at leasty a smidgen of Spanish.
never made it to Disneyland, but the coastal towns of OC rule.
Someone dealing with suicide was given a documentary called The Bridge which he said was very helpful. A film crew spent a year at the base of the San Francisco bridge documenting people who tried (and in some cases succeeded) killing themselves.
He said it was very moving.
"I consider you all (save for the trolls) to be some of the best people I know.
therealhellkitty | 09.13.08 - 10:31 pm | # "
Even the trolls are kind of cute. here. let me pour another root beer.
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I will try this again (But I am in a pissy mood and hurting but I have thought about this for a long time)
Writers and those who want to be writers try to find the good in all of us. Sometimes they even create a world that they like better and dwell there as much as they can. In this world they are the master - a godlike creature who controls this world. Within the confines of this world, everything works the way that it "Should."
The writer tries to explain that this world of their creation is a world that could and maybe even SHOULD be our world. When it is not: or when the words of the writer are misinterpreted or ignored or used in a way that they never intended or or or or - it leads to an overwhelming sadness that is difficult to describe. (The opposite of this is the overwhelming joy that one finds in the creation itself. A dual-edged sword leading to the conundrum of creativity.)
But I am prolly full of shit.
Lenny Kravitz
http://www.myspace.com/lennykravitz
That's the point. The beginning of everything good.
Moe Szyslak
That's why we call you "Mr. Sunshine" behind your back.
Uncle B, when did this start?
There's a teevee special going on about the loathsome one, but I can't stand to watch.
Fuck these people.
Stunt Woman | 09.13.08 - 10:28 pm | #
A devotee of civil discourse who often gets butthurt over the use of profane words like "idiot" recently told me I should go to Iraq so that "maybe, just maybe he could see me on TV with a knife to my throat."
This was fair, 'cause I'd challenged his argument for imaginary-yet-natural-and-beneficial "glowball" warming, by mentioning that trends in solar irradiance didn't exactly back up his scenario.
Civil fuckin' discourse, motherfuckers!
Beanie Wells.
Speaking of which, we're now watching Casablanca, having just finished Reservoir Dogs.
We just finished watching "In Bruges." Not my cup of tea, hubby liked it OK. We're also playing Scrabble but my husband takes like 15 minutes for each turn so that's why I'm blogging.
repeatedly telling lies, attacking strawmen, moving the goalpost, and ignoring basic facts that destroy the flimsy premises upon which their arguments depend
Fuckheads abound.
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I figure you make your SO's watch 'The Battle of Algiers' the way Alvy Singer made his girlfriends see 'The Sorrow and the Pity'.
Haven't forced her to watch Algiers yet. I don't think our relationship's there yet...
we all die alone.
not so. I've had some people take some really good parts of me with them ...
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holy crap...I hadn't even scanned down before posting...David Foster Wallace is dead? Unbelievable and terrible news.
"Uncle B, when did this start?"
as cyatic pain - about a month ago
as hip - couple a days
as this level of hip pain - yesterday afternoon
It is truly a sign of the times that all of the Viagra spam that used to fill my inbox has now been replaced by debt consolidation spam.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
You sure it's your hip and not your back?
NTodd, Battle of Algiers was one of the few movies that made me cry.
Seriously.
refuse to suffer fools gladly.
Uncle B, do you have insurance?
"You sure it's your hip and not your back?"
Pain's in my hip but it could be caused by a back issue
Can I say something?
Biden's background is so much more touching and impressive than...[fill in the blank, lest I get called a sexist]
His story is making me cry. [Fill in the blank's] history is more about blind ambition.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Nothing sexist about it.
Just the dog's honest truth.
SB, I think I heard about that. Is it not true that among the Golden Gate survivors that they followed up on, none attempted suicide again?
It is truly a sign of the times that all of the Viagra spam that used to fill my inbox has now been replaced by debt consolidation spam.
Southern Beale
Whatever gets you hard, you know?
Damn! -- that should be David Foster Wallace.
I can't type for shit when I'm feeling emotional.
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Writers and those who want to be writers try to find the good in all of us.
I don't really think you can generalize like that.
I noticed prices being jacked all to hell around here and wondered what Lyin' John and Ms. Mooselini might say about that. How does offshore drilling help that, God's will or not?
"Uncle B, do you have insurance?"
yes.
that's why the ER tomorrow if this does not improve
Does this new video card make my ass look fat?
I filled up for $3.48 yesterday at noon. I'll probably have to drive into Huntsville on Monday, but I may be able to work from home for a couple of days if I need to.
The Eschaton team should have injured reserve from the sounds of the comments.
Uncle B -
I had an acupressure session about a month ago that seems to have done me a world of good - YMMV - but worth considering...
"That's some serious loathing of life and oneself."
and a shitty thing to do to your spouse.
Vince Welnick still takes the cake: slitting his own throat in front of his wife.
I just don't get it. If you're going to end it because you want to die, then leave a note so people know what to expect, then go to a place that's easy to clean up and blow your brains out.
Speaking of which, someone at Stunt Woman's house has spent all day watching that reality TV show about clothing design. Probably a cry for help.
also on peak oil:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4526
Implications of a Ten Day Refinery Outage
Insight 5. One of the biggest refined product pipelines, Colonial Pipeline, is now reported to be shut down, because of lack of refined product input.
Colonial pipeline is one of the largest pipelines, with a capacity of 2.4 million barrels a day. It serves the Southeast and the East Coast.
Until Colonial pipeline is back to carrying full capacity of gasoline, diesel, and other refined products, there are likely to be shortages along the gulf coast and the Southeast. The Northeast may also begin to see shortages.
Other major outages have also been reported. Explorer pipeline, carrying 700,000 barrels a day of petroleum products from Texas/LA to Indiana, is completely shut down. Plantation pipeline, carrying 600,000 barrels a day of petroleum products from Louisiana to Virginia, is operating at reduced rates.
A devotee of civil discourse who often gets butthurt over the use of profane words like "idiot" recently told me I should go to Iraq so that "maybe, just maybe he could see me on TV with a knife to my throat."
Shit, I pray for that every night, but that's only because you're a twatwaffle.
This sickness unto death.
the coastal towns of OC rule.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
i agree. and as for disneyland, i've been there more in the last 3 years (once a year) than i had in the previous 25...
http://www.walletpop.com/blog/20...ss-for-hunters/
of $1.3 billion spent in Alaska on enjoying the outdoors, only $125 million was spent on hunting and fishing. That compares to $51 million spent on fishing and $581 million spent to watching wildlife. Tourism is a big business in Alaska and bear viewing tours are now part of that.
sarah's just into killing - business if necessary.
Did you see Palin's interview - it made a spectacularly bloody mess - an abortion of both her political future and her "legacy".
Harry R. Sohl
Her interview with Gibson reminded me of the class brown-noser trying to impress everyone with how "smart" she is.
When, in reality, she's as dumb as dogshit.
But I will exercise restraint.
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Sarah B. | 09.13.08 - 10:31 pm | #
Just a joke, but obviously an ill-timed one.
Wow, Wallace lived in Claremont. That's where I went to school.
Wow, that's gruesome. Poor guy.
sarah's just into killing - business if necessary.
misanthrope
Republicans get off on death and destruction.
People, animals, the environment...
In Bush's case, the English language.
I think maybe we chip in and have an Eschaton nurse on call. With all health issues here, how often do we end up with a bunch of people without medical training advising each other on whether it's time to go to the ER?
Glancing at the spine of Infinite Jest...
Don't Worry, Be Happy on theremin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e...h?
v=e6bSRcRAhnc
Uncle B, MWAH!
Wishing I had painkillers for you.
I don't really think you can generalize like that.
Speaking from personal experience, you are spot on. Ever since college, and in the professional field as well, I've known writers who are nothing more than egotists.
A famous example would be Christopher Hitchens. Another: Bob Novak. Another: Cal Thomas. And on. And on.
Resume padding. See it all the time.
Does this new video card make my ass look fat?
smalfish | 09.13.08 - 10:36 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
only with the 24" horizontal screen!
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Wishing I had painkillers for you."
you and me both
His (Biden's) story is making me cry. [Fill in the blank's] history is more about blind ambition.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
His story of traveling home every day reminded me so much of my father because he used to work all week in another city and drive back roads for about 200 miles to come home on the weekend. It was never a burden to him because he wanted to be home. Biden is that kind of guy. I told my mother his whole story and got all choked up in the middle.
Shit, I pray for that every night, but that's only because you're a twatwaffle.
NTodd aka Snowshoe Man Palin | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 10:38 pm | #
You're entitled. This guy isn't.
Storming really badly here from Ike. Really windy. Power lines fell and are now lying across cars on the street outside my home and people walking around. I yelled at them to get away from it and called the power company and told them.
When, in reality, she's as dumb as dogshit.
Apparently she doesn't, in fact, know more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America, either. No one could have anticipated ....
Uncle Blodge, I do, however, have a lasagna baking. And Monsieur has requested carrot cake.
We share.
I'm just trying to figure out what Haloscan is a metaphor for.
theo. of athens, more caption | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 10:31 pm | #
Good question -- certainly, the "Halo" part has too many religious allusions -- or illusions -- for my taste.
But the "Scan" part seems perfectly secular and vaguely technical, both of which which are fine with me.
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I've known writers who are nothing more than egotists.
you're reminding me of the Christopher Buckley interview I heard this afternoon.
McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said this to the Politico about the increased media scrutiny of the campaign's factual claims: "We're running a campaign to win. And we're not too concerned about what the media filter tries to say about it."
Well at least they're honest.
NTodd, Battle of Algiers was one of the few movies that made me cry.
The wedding scene has made me weep on occassion.
lived in Claremont. That's where I went to school. - Southern Beal
man the trees and trees, it's lovely si verdad, what's the store? rhino records?
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David Foster Wallace hung himself today. FUCK.
FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. You had no right to do this, Wallace. Sorry. It's like those Japanese sword-makers, you know. "Living National Treasures." I wouldn't understand half of what I understand about White Noise if it weren't for you. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Best essayist of my generation. Knew when to be pithy, when to hit the reader with humor. Goddammit. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
only with the 24" horizontal screen!
Whew. My main monitor is only 22 inches. But the secondary monitor is 17. Does that matter?
My back hurts but it's because this chair sucks.
I need a new one.
price-gouging is the purest form of capitalism.
When, in reality, she's as dumb as dogshit.
Dumb but wily, maybe - in that ugly way Bush is so good at. And even Bush didn't run miserable a campaign, with ads he approved himself.
Michiganers, is it true that you are having gas gouging problems out there?
Hi Uncle Blodge, hope you can feel better soon. Commenting going too fast for me to comment.
"Battle of Algiers was one of the few movies that made me cry."
maybe if my hip lays me up I can watch it
Colonial pipeline is one of the largest pipelines, with a capacity of 2.4 million barrels a day. It serves the Southeast and the East Coast.
I believe this is the pipeline blamed for the gas shortfall in Tennessee and Kentucky.
Again, glad I have a hybrid I only need to fill up once a month. And it's on full.
Apparently she doesn't, in fact, know more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America, either. No one could have anticipated ....
Southern Beale
The woman has NO intellectual curiosity whatsoever.
Again, George Bush in a dress.
I've known writers who are nothing more than egotists.
I've known a few myself.
The Wedding of Mahmud and Fatiha.
Goddammit. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
Brian CB |
yeah.
I shall not rest until gary in fl is jailed for the implosion of WTC 7.
Lying = cheating. SheBush is a cheater.
I believe this is the pipeline blamed for the gas shortfall in Tennessee and Kentucky.
There's a map at the link from my screen name...
Karin, I heard of it yesterday. I can't see I've seen it yet.
I've seen prices today between $ 3.88 and $ 4.19/gal for unleaded.
I see Pravda on the Hudson has got the spirit and are calling out the unvetted palin for whom she really is: cronyism, vendettas, lying.
she is a ridiculous national candidate.
Thanks mer
Lying = cheating. SheBush is a cheater.
A. Morphous
Everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie.
That's the impression I'm getting.
Good question -- certainly, the "Halo" part has too many religious allusions -- or illusions -- for my taste.
I was really thinking more about the interminable comment streams. My mouse gets more of a workout on Eschaton comment streams than anything else.
In fact, Eschaton comment threads are just about the only netthing I do on a regular basis at which my iPhone is totally incompetent. I find it frustrating.
Again, George Bush in a dress.
Or lipstick .....
The dems need to address this gas gouging Monday to help O.
I need a new one.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
I've never looked into back replacements, but I imagine they'd be (Jon Stewart voice) priiiiceeeeey!
I've known writers who are nothing more than egotists.
you're reminding me of the Christopher Buckley interview I heard this afternoon.
And that reminded me of Christopher Buckley's ego-bursting parody-review of Tom Clancy in the NY Times Book Review some years back. It was hilarious - Clancy was furious.
Rules are not enough to create the conditions for civil behavior
No, they're not. What is??????
Ohio State truly sucks. Vastly overrated, w or w/o Beanie.
Again, George Bush in a dress.
Or lipstick .....
Southern Beale
And a half ton of make-up.
Gas shortages are good news for McSidekick!
Terry,
I think it's a little different than that. She lies out of ambition. I don't think she understands the concept of lying. There is no compunction in her eyes.
It's blind ambition. She is one of the most, if not the most, craven politicians I've ever seen. Blatantly craven. Mccain's like that, though.
the coastal towns of OC rule.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
i agree. and as for disneyland, i've been there more in the last 3 years (once a year) than i had in the previous 25...
ina, holiday spirit | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 10:38 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
I grew up in Tustin which is not far from the coast, Disneyland etc. Really in the heart of OC. In high school we'd go to Lake Arrowhead for breakfast and a little skiing and in the afternoon we'd go bodysurfing at Newport. After 9PM you could pay $5.00 at Disneyland and get in to go dancing until closing. I was back home to see my mom last month and for the first time in probably 15 years I didn't want to run screaming for the airport ASAP. It seemed calmer and less frenetic for some reason.
I realized that I had a fairly privileged youth living there.
I've known writers who are nothing more than egotists.
I've known a few myself.
Did they need editors?
She is one of the most, if not the most, craven politicians I've ever seen. Blatantly craven
Kind of amazing that they can still manage to surprise us.
I see Pravda on the Hudson has got the spirit and are calling out the unvetted palin for whom she really is: cronyism, vendettas, lying.
I think the Bush Doctrine question was the turning point. TV pundits fill their time with buzzwords like that, and apparently it pisses them off that politicians can be ignorant of them.
It's blind ambition. She is one of the most, if not the most, craven politicians I've ever seen. Blatantly craven. Mccain's like that, though.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
They're so perfect for one another.
I've seen prices today between $ 3.88 and $ 4.19/gal for unleaded.
Just had someone tell me about $4.60/gal in Hamtramck.
"I remember Atrios from Tabletalk..."
kurt foster.
She is one of the most, if not the most, craven politicians I've ever seen. Blatantly craven.
Bbbbbbut, she's just like me!!!!!!!
Did they need editors?
NTodd aka Snowshoe Man Palin | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 10:48 pm | #
Depends what you mean by "need." And by "editors."
And all this time i thought it was a Robert Anton Wilson reference.
No, they're not. What is??????
I'll take a stab ... a belief that you are a part of something larger and more important than your self ... we're losing that and our ideal of a socially cooperative society is breaking down bit by bit.
One only has to drive across town on a busy highway to see the most vulgar example of our devolution into selfishness.
Simple messaging for the masses:
McOld is a liar, who wants to mess with your Social Security, and voted against medicine for babies and health care for veterans.
SheBush is unqualified, incompetent and a cheater.
Just a joke, but obviously an ill-timed one.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 10:39 pm | #
Actually, the joke is well-taken and I apologize for my overreaction -- it just seemed to fit what Duncan wrote at the top of this thread about the futility and folly of warfare as a game versus its grim reality.
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Rules are not enough to create the conditions for civil behavior
No, they're not. What is??????
Guns. Lots of guns.
No, wait, that's a polite society.
Lutton, I didn't know they piped refined product around the country. Is that the same as gasoline? Or does it go through another refining process?
I'm really pretty ignorant of the whole process. Like, other than proximity to offshore oil rigs, is there a reason the refineries are located on the coast?
"a WWIII-type simulation played on tennis courts with tennis ball machines acting as missile launchers."
Actually I don't think machines were used in Eschaton, in the book. It was just the kids hitting the balls themselves, with rackets.
I remember when Atrios wasn't even a DFH!
Not that he was a cleancut young lad or anything, but still.
First solo outing for Sarah.
http://ap.google.com/article/
ALe...konY5QD9366R180
Naturally, they have to pick my town to do it. I'm a bit surprised that AP stated that the event drew 5000, but there may be a correction later.
Certainly, there are lots of wingnuts in Carson City, south of us in Douglas County, and East of us in Lyon County. A bit odd that they didn't schedule her in Reno, but the Air Races are happening, and the weather is too good to waste on a pol.
Still spouting the BS it appears.
I am relieved to see, btw, that nobody here has attributed the gas price spike to a Republican conspiracy.
Ohio State truly sucks
Hey, they're only down 25 points!
Rating teams by popular vote obviously has its drawbacks.
One only has to drive across town on a busy highway to see the most vulgar example of our devolution into selfishness. - megisi
Oh, just get out of my way, shitwad.
Holy fuck, Wallace just killed himself. Shit.
I think the Bush Doctrine question was the turning point. TV pundits fill their time with buzzwords like that, and apparently it pisses them off that politicians can be ignorant of them.
I think they've been digging for stuff ever since her "I've got news for you" thing in her speech at the convention. She basically dared them, the way Gary Hart did.
In Knoxville our gas prices jumped from $3.65 to $4.59 in two days or so.
Make that 32 points.
Hey, they're only down 25 points!
Rating teams by popular vote obviously has its drawbacks.
Richard
31 pts. (I love to watch OSU lose)
35-3.
Where did Gomez go, anyway?
I guess I'm enjoying watching Ohio State get spanked, but I sure wish it was someone besides USC doing it.
Heh, looking for posts about Algiers I found this one about the Playboy ina gave me...
Naturally, they have to pick my town to do it. I'm a bit surprised that AP stated that the event drew 5000, but there may be a correction later.
Well, they were outed today about fabricating crowd numbers on the high side.
Whew. My main monitor is only 22 inches. But the secondary monitor is 17. Does that matter?
smalfish | 09.13.08 - 10:43 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
I don't do math well so you are off the hook.
BusinessWeek said back in April that there is no gas shortage.
I think the Bush Doctrine question was the turning point. TV pundits fill their time with buzzwords like that, and apparently it pisses them off that politicians can be ignorant of them.
theo. of athens, more caption | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 10:48 pm | #
Some guy at NRO says that he and his colleagues routinely bicker over what the Bush Doctrine actually is. Apparently all the Kool Kids know that it has no fixed meaning, so that makes Palin Kool too.
I am relieved to see, btw, that nobody here has attributed the gas price spike to a Republican conspiracy.
Only if you don't consider big oil to be republican.
Rehab - Bartender Song (Sittin' At A Bar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V...h?v=V88d-
yXotKk
Somehow, I don't think Ohio is going to be #5 in the rankings after tonight.
Did they need editors?
I worked in bookstores, selling and managing for over 15 years. It was almost gospel that the better the author, the nicer they were - and the reverse was true, also.
Robert James Waller, who wrote that dreadful "Bridges of Madison County" had the most bloated ego of any author I ever met. Meeting him was awful but it made for a great story.
'll take a stab ... a belief that you are a part of something larger and more important than your self ... we're losing that and our ideal of a socially cooperative society is breaking down bit by bit.
I agree; I think that is part of it. The times that I bite my tongue and find a politer way to say what I was going to say are times when I want to preserve a functioning community that I think I belong to and that I think is more important than just giving full rein to my id.
"Did they need editors?"
you prick. look for the good in people. even editors.
Lutton, I didn't know they piped refined product around the country. Is that the same as gasoline? Or does it go through another refining process?
It seems from the the info at that post that all sorts of refined products (gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, etc) are all pipe cross country. But I'm not that familar either.
That site - the oil drum - has been a wealth of information since I found it before Gustav came ashore.
NYT's also reports that US will sell or tranfer 32$ Billion worth of weapons to foreign governments compared to 12$ billion in '05. that'll make the world a more safe and peaceful place... OR ELSE!
Ohio State, that is.
two-thirds want universal health care. their party?
Robert James Waller, who wrote that dreadful "Bridges of Madison County"
I hate that movie with a passion. That, and "Big" and "Pretty Woman" are on my top 10 hate list.
Where did Gomez go, anyway?
I think I pissed him off on the last thread when I said he was out of his league because he said he had no sympathy for those who commit suicide.
And then he said his uncle had committed suicide 20 years ago.
I know he had a tough day today.
Some guy at NRO says that he and his colleagues routinely bicker over what the Bush Doctrine actually is. Apparently all the Kool Kids know that it has no fixed meaning, so that makes Palin Kool too.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Yeah, that gets her off the hook.
I agree; I think that is part of it.
My work here is done ...
Actually, the joke is well-taken and I apologize for my overreaction -- it just seemed to fit what Duncan wrote at the top of this thread about the futility and folly of warfare as a game versus its grim reality.
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Sarah B. | 09.13.08 - 10:49 pm | #
No overreaction, and no worries.
Obama is going to win. Period. End of election 2008.
There is no way Grampy, a cancer-ridden old fuckstick and "moral" scold and his sidekick, Texan substitute teacher Peggy Hill's Alaskan step-sister, are going to fool Americans.
The debates will make clear as day who America's leader are - and aren't.
Ohio State has always been overrated (ditto the Big Ten, FWIW)
MI gas prices -- dunno -- I'm in a monastery -- we have our own gas tank & so what we pay never corresponds w/ current prices
Palin's "In what respect, Charlie" response was clearly a punt. Everyone could see it. She was completely stumped. I'm surprised they didn't get it edited out. Makes you wonder what else she did that this stayed in the aired interview.
My favorite weirdo moment has been Krauthammer who blamed GIBSON for not knowing what the Bush Doctrine was - and then just passed off Palin's ignorance as "Well, she didn't know...BUT..." and went back to whining about Gibson.
I remember when I thought RWers would be saner when Clinton was out of office. God, did I miss that one.
Some guy at NRO says that he and his colleagues routinely bicker over what the Bush Doctrine actually is.
Yes, with the same panicked "holy shit I have no fucking clue what he's talking about" look plastered to their face.
Somehow, I don't think Ohio is going to be #5 in the rankings after tonight.
dunno. I don't think #9 Auburn will be moving up after beating Mississippi State 3-2.
Oklahoma is just pounding the shit outa my Huskies though.
Prior Aelred
Hey! Hi!
Were you in the midst of tornadic activity today?
Has anybody any idea what was bothering Wallace?
watching hurricane coverage from a houston station on DirecTV--they said wholesale gas there is at $4.85/gal
Would anyone here like to read my 10,000 word essay on how "Brown Bunny" continuously oscillates between fraudulent and worthwhile?
It seems from the the info at that post that all sorts of refined products (gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, etc) are all pipe cross country. But I'm not that familar either.
Anecdotal but, when they were building the Dallas North Tollway through far North Dallas they managed to hit a jet fuel transmission line. It nearly burned down a highrise building.
Apparently all the Kool Kids know that it has no fixed meaning, so that makes Palin Kool too.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
joking about it gives me the willies. these people have traded in their humanity for a TV gig and now have the look and smell of sociopaths.
I hate that movie with a passion. That, and "Big" and "Pretty Woman" are on my top 10 hate list.
Karin Hussein
I love you for hating "Pretty Woman".
That movie is so empty it makes me ill. I hate "An Officer and a Gentleman", too. There's just a really sick attitude about women in those movies.
Krauthummer:
Cholly Gibson = Stanley Kowalski
My beloved spouse often jests that the anal sphinctor's ability to distinguish solid, liquid and gas is what allows polite society to function.
There's a metaphor in their somewhere, I'm sure.
But in all seriousness, I love what you said, hecate. Then again, I usually do.
Heh, looking for posts about Algiers I found this one about the Playboy ina gave me...
NTodd aka Snowshoe Man Palin |
heh.
"I'm not sure" actually would have been the honest and correct answer.
Apparently entire books have been written about the Bush Doctrine. Which is weird since no one knows what it is...
The Verve - Love Is Noise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P...h?
v=PmRJo8RQ5sA
watching hurricane coverage from a houston station on DirecTV--they said wholesale gas there is at $4.85/gal
Oh fuck. I knew I should have filled up yesterday.
99 dollar cutoff won't even come close to filling my truck anymore now.
Arthur Bremer.
My favorite weirdo moment has been Krauthammer who blamed GIBSON for not knowing what the Bush Doctrine was - and then just passed off Palin's ignorance as "Well, she didn't know...BUT..." and went back to whining about Gibson.
Interesting diary at kos today about this guy that had captured the screen shot of wikipedia a couple of days ago to explain the Bush Doctrine in a diary. The page didn't mention Krauthammer.
And then, two days later, the page pops up, stating that Krauthammer was the originator of the Bush Doctrine. From what I understand, the diarist wrote Krauthammer to ask if he had updated the wikipedia page himself, but Krauthammer hasn't responded.
I worked in bookstores, selling and managing for over 15 years. It was almost gospel that the better the author, the nicer they were - and the reverse was true, also.
My best friend worked for several years as a book buyer for a big retail chain in Canada. He got to meet a lot of celebrity authors.
The person who most impressed him was Dr. Robert Ballard, the guy who found the Titanic.
The people who least impressed him were Anne Rice (she make rockstar demands when she came up for a book signing), and Uri Geller, who was a pretty blatant fraud.
Bush doctrine = don't get caught and lie if you do.
I love you for hating "Pretty Woman".
That movie is so empty it makes me ill.
I found it incredibly sexist. Like, oh let's go be a street corner prostitute in Hollywood, and then have some rich guy take us shopping and all of our troubles melt away with the new clothes.
Ohio State truly sucks. Vastly overrated, w or w/o Beanie.
Paper Tigers. if they remain in the Top Ten on Monday it will be a travesty.
Oh, Vicki ...
The Republican presidential ticket is returning to Michigan for the second time this month. Sen. John McCain of Arizona and running mate Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will appear Wednesday at a "Straight Talk Town Hall Meeting" at Grand Rapids Community College.
Word to Sarah - a "big fat resume" where I come from is what we normal folk refer to as "q-u-a-l-i-f-i-c-a-t-i-o-n-s".
Just sayin'.
.. a concert with Springsteen is on TV ..killer.
God, please let the good guys win.
"Somehow, I don't think Ohio is going to be #5 in the rankings after tonight."
i wonder if obama's team was aware that every teevee in ohio was tuned to the game tonight. well, at least for the first half.
GA looked pretty shitty today, too.
Vicki -- Just talk - too much rain for it to feel like tornado weather -- something SW of us, IIRC
The debates will make clear as day who America's leader are - and aren't.
So did the debates in 2004. Everyone who is waiting for the debates to save us is in for a rude awakening.
My beloved spouse often jests that the anal sphinctor's ability to distinguish solid, liquid and gas is what allows polite society to function.
seems to me that in POLITE society, one's anal sphincter would be well advised not to expel any of the three.
Has anybody any idea what was bothering Wallace?
Jim Harrison | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 10:56 pm | #
Does anyone ever really know?
One can only imagine or guess....
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Some guy at NRO says that he and his colleagues routinely bicker over what the Bush Doctrine actually is.
did he say whose job it was to bring the kleenex for after?
"I'm not sure" actually would have been the honest and correct answer.
Very first thing I learned about teaching: never bullshit because they'll see it and "I don't know" is a way better answer than making shit up.
My God, have you seen this? Kos is covering it, too.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/
Se...ar_at_0913.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20.../243/251/
597755
Yes, with the same panicked "holy shit I have no fucking clue what he's talking about" look plastered to their face.
Southern Beale | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 10:55 pm | #
Charen: Culture of Life!
Steyn: Pre-emptive war on Islam!
Derbyshire: Slapping Islam's wrists instead of exterminating the brutes!
Ledeen: I agree with Derb, and faster please!
Goldberg: The Bush Doctrine flows, or rather arises -- I'm giving due respect here to its vigor -- from what I call Hard America, which was settled by self-reliant cattlemen, as opposed to Soft America, which was settled by dairy-farming nanny-staters who've fallen in love with their cows. That in itself is reason enough for supporting it. Anyone remember what was the robot's name on "Lost in Space"?
"The real Romney is clearly an extraordinarily ambitious man with no perceivable political principle whatsover. He is the most intellectually dishonest human being in the history of politics."
Barney Frank re: Mitt Romney.
I think the same can be said for Palin.
Has anybody any idea what was bothering Wallace?
Jim Harrison
I've been to that edge.
What was bothering me--just me. Nothing in particular.
I was lucky
I live and work in Central TX. Our area is crisscrossed with pipelines for everything from crude oil to natural gas. On my route to work I pass pipelines for all manner of things.
They color code the fence posts next to the road so you know (presumably) what kind of pipeline it is. Sometimes there is a helpful sign too. I believe that the pipeline that blew a few years back was owned by Marathon oil..and then there was one that blew about 10 years ago in Washington state and tore up a good long section of an area near I think it was Bellingham. Gasoline had leaked into a river and two boys playing with a lighter set it off.
tired ot the rout, the moose or ike? (on teevee, not here, of course)--fresno state v wisc on the deuce is shaping up for some late nite entertainment.
Southern Beale..exactly. What a revolting message. "Gentleman" struck me the same way, like women were either evil bitches or people who had to be rescued .
So what should we do, actually, to make Obama win? Because we have to do it. Knocking on doors and phones - is that it?
megisi ~
Ford Fieldhouse seat 3,500 capacity. Obama lined 'em up around the Van Andel, which seats over 12,000. They turned thousands away.
But yeah, I know.
My mom came over today and asked me to protest. She's a pro-life Catholic with a mission to vote for common sense.
so as the parts of Iraq that aren't walled off from one another find a way to resume the fighting, mcsame loses his last shred of any credibility.
will anyone notice?
Why would anybody waste their time writing whole books about "The Bush Doctrine"?
Why would anybody waste their time reading these books?
Rules are not enough to create the conditions for civil behavior, in war or otherwise.
Ignore the trolls.
Split Enz - History Never Repeats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v...h?
v=vFp4axRBag8
Bruce just sang...
May your strength give us strength
May your faith give us faith
May your hope give us hope
May your love give us love
May your strength give us strength
May your faith give us faith
May your hope give us hope
May your love give us love
May your love bring us love
"Gentleman" struck me the same way, like women were either evil bitches or people who had to be rescued .
In Office and a Gentleman, the only way women could get out of their sorry blue collar paper mill lives was to ... fuck a cadet.
Okie dokie ....
I love you for hating "Pretty Woman".
That movie is so empty it makes me ill.
I found it incredibly sexist. Like, oh let's go be a street corner prostitute in Hollywood, and then have some rich guy take us shopping and all of our troubles melt away with the new clothes.
Southern Beale
Thank you SO much!
I DETEST that movie.
Re: debates -- what Hecate said!
Ohio State truly sucks. Vastly overrated, w or w/o Beanie.
Paper Tigers. if they remain in the Top Ten on Monday it will be a travesty.
I resisted this conclusion for several years after I moved down here, but nobody else these days seems to be able to play at the level of the SEC.
So what should we do, actually, to make Obama win? Because we have to do it. Knocking on doors and phones - is that it?
Sapient
thass what I'm doin'--started today in god-forsaken SoFla.
In Office and a Gentleman, the only way women could get out of their sorry blue collar paper mill lives was to ... fuck a cadet.
Okie dokie ....
Southern Beale
I hate the movie, too.
I laughed when I read that the co-stars hated one another.
If you guess "depression" when writers break down, you're likely right most of the time.
And while we're bashing the assholes amongst us, George Plimpton and Bret Easton Ellis deserve a category all their own.
And now a new paradigm is born
from what I call Hard America, which was settled by self-reliant cattlemen, as opposed to Soft America, which was settled by dairy-farming nanny-staters
Whiskey
Tango
Foxrot
Heh. The Orange Curtain. Formerly a localism.
I love you for hating "Pretty Woman".
That movie is so empty it makes me ill.
I found it incredibly sexist. Like, oh let's go be a street corner prostitute in Hollywood, and then have some rich guy take us shopping and all of our troubles melt away with the new clothes.
I found it dangerous.
Because putting a naive young woman on the street to sell sex is her death sentence.
My beloved spouse often jests that the anal sphinctor's ability to distinguish solid, liquid and gas is what allows polite society to function
Interesting, what do doctors call this involuntary ability?
RE: the Obama Waffles, this is predictable:
"According to the the site's blog, Lou Dobbs, who was also speaking at the convention, lauded the product Friday.
"My wife will love this," Dobbs purportedly said. A photograph of Dobbs with a box and one of the sellers is online here."
"Everyone who is waiting for the debates to save us is in for a rude awakening."
yup. ditto a bunch of 'unpolled' cellphone owners.
The Penguin and Batman campaign for Mayor of Gotham City...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b...h?
v=bgJ5AcsXp4M
The Penguin-Batman debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l...h?
v=l63SRpGXBHE
As accurate a portrayal of American politics as you'll ever see. It's astonishing.
Oh and I hated "Steel Magnolias", too.
And I was sure Lili Taylor was the one who was going to be the big star after seeing "Mystic Pizza".
So what should we do, actually, to make Obama win? Because we have to do it. Knocking on doors and phones - is that it?
NFC.
thass what I'm doin'--started today in god-forsaken SoFla.
Guess I will to then, if that's all there is. I wish I enjoyed human contact.
There's a song called "David Foster Wallace" off of one of my nominees for best album (and group) that most people never heard of Tsunami's Brilliant Mistake.
Found a sample of the song available here.
(You should get the album, too.)
I always wondered whether Wallace was bothered by being the Roy E. Disney Professor at Pomona College. If you've read Infinite Jest you will know what I mean. Still, it's hard to imagine that could drive him to this.
She's a pro-life Catholic with a mission to vote for common sense.
They should name stuff after her.
Because putting a naive young woman on the street to sell sex is her death sentence.
Not if Richard Gere and his titanium AmEx card comes along!
And of course, Richard Gere gets to "make" the woman of his dreams because she's for hire, and therefore makes no demands on him other than cash up front. Win-win. A uniquely American romance.
/puke
I found it incredibly sexist. Like, oh let's go be a street corner prostitute in Hollywood, and then have some rich guy take us shopping and all of our troubles melt away with the new clothes.
Southern Beale
It is not only that, SB, the role of the males in this movie were disgusting as well. Richard Gere played some sort of predatory banker who specialized in ruining less men's lives by taking their companies from them and destroying them. Jason Alexander played a lecherous lawyer who assisted him. And the Hispanic actor (who usually does an excellent job) played a pretty nasty fellow as well.
In fact, if you think about it, none of the characters in this movie were people whom you would actually like to know. But it is typical for Gary Marshall.
both want *more* military spending.
$5/gallon for gas in Middle Tennessee.
So what should we do, actually, to make Obama win? Because we have to do it. Knocking on doors and phones - is that it?
Do whatever you can. A number of the witches in DC and MD (safely blue) are making calls into VA. If you're in a safe state but near a battleground state, go into the battleground state.
Some guy at NRO says that he and his colleagues routinely bicker over what the Bush Doctrine actually is.
misanthrope | 09.13.08 - 11:01 pm | #
Now, my friends, is a neocon circle jerk we can believe in!
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There's a song called "David Foster Wallace" off of one of my nominees for best album (and group) that most people never heard of Tsunami's Brilliant Mistake.
I always wanted to have Jenny Toomey's babies.
"I would fuck Todd Palin's business partner in front of David Foster Wallace"-Sarah Palin
The Presidential race is perfectly, mystically tied right now.
It is Schrodinger's cat. Obama has both won and lost... only the day itself will open the box and our observation will make the result occur.
This is mysticism and metaphysics right now.
Register new voters. Educate them as to their polling places, etc. Make sure that on election day, they get to the polls. We have our orders. Move out!
And I was sure Lili Taylor was the one who was going to be the big star after seeing "Mystic Pizza".
T4TN
I was just in Mystic the other day, and while I saw lots of beautiful people doing various things, none of them looked like either Lili or Julia.
They've got a cool drawbridge, though.
"According to the the site's blog, Lou Dobbs, who was also speaking at the convention, lauded the product Friday.
Has anyone mentioned yet in this thread that Lou Dobbs is a fucking asshole?
And of course, Richard Gere gets to "make" the woman of his dreams because she's for hire, and therefore makes no demands on him other than cash up front. Win-win. A uniquely American romance.
/puke
Southern Beale
Hey, I had a troll tell me last night that I needed a "good man" to straighten me out.
This, of course, after I said I've worked since I was 17 (38 years).
Something wrong with a woman who can support herself, you know.
And while we're bashing the assholes amongst us, George Plimpton and Bret Easton Ellis deserve a category all their own.
Plimpton? I kind of liked him - but please don't forget Jay McInerney.
OK -- the way to win the campaign at this stage is to appeal to the "undecideds" -- which is to say, people who are not very bright -- seriously, who could be "undecided"?
Oh and I hated "Steel Magnolias", too.
Better play than movie.
So you left OC for Philly? You're Bizzaro Will Smith.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I was gonna ask you, and I'll e-mail you privately, if there is a prayer or something you can recommend for healing and cleansing of the electorate.
I will offer it up at a hilltop every day.
Something wrong with a woman who can support herself, you know.
Back when I was single I had more than one guy tell me they found it intimidating that I owned my own home.
"According to the the site's blog, Lou Dobbs, who was also speaking at the convention, lauded the product Friday.
Paging Spock o
I was gonna ask you, and I'll e-mail you privately, if there is a prayer or something you can recommend for healing and cleansing of the electorate.
I will offer it up at a hilltop every day.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
I'm for anything that would help.
from what I call Hard America, which was settled by self-reliant cattlemen,
Is Troo! Is why it takes fucking forever to drive anywhere in Boston - them founding fathers and their goddamned cow-paths!
The Presidential race is perfectly, mystically tied right now.
I absolutely refuse to acknowledge this particular bit of clap trap. It is bullshit.
And of course, Richard Gere gets to "make" the woman of his dreams because she's for hire, and therefore makes no demands on him other than cash up front. Win-win. A uniquely American romance.
/puke
Southern Beale | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 11:08 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
A vile twist on Pygmalion.
Something wrong with a woman who can support herself, you know.
Back when I was single I had more than one guy tell me they found it intimidating that I owned my own home.
Southern Beale
WATBs.
It never repeats.
That's the joke.
David Foster Wallace (RIP)
I resisted this conclusion for several years after I moved down here, but nobody else these days seems to be able to play at the level of the SEC.
truer words, etc..
sec football is what college football is, as a Platonic Ideal.
Georgia v. Florida this year will be a bigger and better game than the 2008 NCAA National Championship, just the way we like it
yup. ditto a bunch of 'unpolled' cellphone owners.
I heard that 4 years ago. Didn't save us then; won't save us now. It's now close enough to steal. I don't want to hear about unpolled cellphone owners nor about how the "ground game" is going to bring out more young voters than anyone's ever seen ever. It's dire and you either need to get out and save democracy or figure out how you're going to explain to your ancestors why you didn't.
Back when I was single I had more than one guy tell me they found it intimidating that I owned my own home.
I know you aren't but... you have to be kidding. What is this? 1956?
Did anybody get a picture of Dobbs doing this?
Appeal to the "Decideds" who don't know how to vote. Best chance.
Oh and I hated "Steel Magnolias", too.
I thought Olympia Dukasis and Shirley McLaine were funny in that.
Plimpton? I kind of liked him - but please don't forget Jay McInerney.
Did he do the scotch and cigar thing for you? Cheap theater ... over-arching ego.
Never met McInerney, but then, what would be the point? Does he, ahem, lack affect?
Unf. my wife informs the free chair we just got from the neighbors has a "vague puke smell."
Sorry, kids. Got pulled into a neighborly discussion that started with a neighbor's purchase today of a 1980 Kawasaki KX550, and ended up going off into political land.
.
Back when I was single I had more than one guy tell me they found it intimidating that I owned my own home.
I know you aren't but... you have to be kidding. What is this? 1956?
T4TN
I've never realized till lately that so many people were stuck in the past.
Or longing for it.
FWIW, a pic of Palin's venue in Carson City. Capacity 5,000?
Google image search blows donkey dicks. Tried to find additional pics. 538 hits of everything from the Finnish Ice Hotel to a paraplegic dog.
Horse shit.
Back when I was single I had more than one guy tell me they found it intimidating that I owned my own home.
I find it highly attractive. Will you be my sugar mama?
But it is typical for Gary Marshall.
And Penny Marshall is to blame for "Big" In that one, men are depicted as so immature that a grown woman can date a 12 yo(in the body of a man) and never know the difference.
If you're in a safe state but near a battleground state, go into the battleground state.
Yep, Team Buckner hits Manchester, NH next weekend...
Sapient--today I did 1/2 phone calls, 1/2 getting folks to register, but they had some "data entry" gig involving punching in the data from the voter reg forms--very little human contact==maybe somethin like that in ur state.
went to a low-rung "Adult Assisted Living Facilty" to sign up or renew some oldies--made me grateful for what I've got & remember the bigger picture of actually doin this to help folks, not just to beat those lyin fascist fucks.
WATBs.
Terry C
Small penises.
Media don't seem as in love with McCain as they were with Bush.
Sometimes I really do not understand English well-enough. This sentence, for example, has a meaning that eludes me. (From John at Americablog) " She's just very interesting, smart, funny, boisterous, and outspoken - the kind of woman every gay man would love."
I think it will be the ground game and a smarter air game in IA, CO, NM, VA, FL, and OH that will determine if Obama is our next president.
so phone/volunteer/cash in and from those states are crucial. bumperstickers, yard signs, rallies, energizing your base. we can do it.
my two cents
Back when I was single I had more than one guy tell me they found it intimidating that I owned my own home.
WOW! That happened to me! I even had one guy say that I was probably just looking for someone to take care of the yard!
WATBs.
Terry C
Small penises.
Southern Beale
Really.
Don't get me wrong. I love men, but I don't NEED one to validate my existence.
I find it highly attractive. Will you be my sugar mama?
I think you missed the "back when I was single" part.
So did the debates in 2004. Everyone who is waiting for the debates to save us is in for a rude awakening.
Respectfully disagree. Obama is no Kerry.
But McCain/Palin are the Bush/Cheney people have had quite enough of.
Also, we weren't "treated" to Katrina until 2005 - and people weren't yet sickened by Iraq and convinced the country was on the "wrong track".
There are so many things that have changed. It's no contest. People in 2008 have real problems.
30 seconds of Obama talking and 30 seconds of McCain talking make it pretty clear who has the solutions.
"Back when I was single I had more than one guy tell me they found it intimidating that I owned my own home.
Southern Beale"
fools. loves me a woman with assets.
Georgia v. Florida this year will be a bigger and better game than the 2008 NCAA National Championship, just the way we like it
guess I'll have to cheer for the Gators. I fucking hate Mark Richt.
Mrs. I, have you been into our local office yet? dr. mrs. sdf has been phone banking a few times, and I'm going to try to get in this coming week.
Small penises.
Southern Beale | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 11:14 pm | #
Not proportionally !!!!
So, the 2-wheel count here at the condos has grown to 8-9 vehicles. I still don't know where Agility 125-guy lives, but he says it's here.
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Don't get me wrong. I love men, but I don't NEED one to validate my existence.
Wouldn't any real man prefer to be WANTED not NEEDED?
a prayer or something you can recommend for healing and cleansing of the electorate
The fire next time.
I thought Olympia Dukasis and Shirley McLaine were funny in that.
I should clarify - some of it was hilarious and as someone said, I heard the play was better. The main story was just too overwrought for me. The main character's death seemed so unneccessary, IMO.
I love Southern things but something all that crap gets on my nerves, too.
Everything now depends on CO and NM.
NH, PA, WI and MI are going Obama.
FL, VA and OH are going for McCain.
Kerry + IA, NM and CO wins it for Obama.
I know you aren't but... you have to be kidding. What is this? 1956?
T4TN
I've never realized till lately that so many people were stuck in the past.
Even the good Prior Aelred from above is less cloistered than the GOP wants women to be...
She's just very interesting, smart, funny, boisterous, and outspoken - the kind of woman every gay man would love."
He's NOT talking about Palin, I hope.
Both my daughter and I have many gay friends (both my kids' godfathers are gay).
The gay men of our acquaintance HATE her.
New! Dobbs Hemorrhoid cream!
Try it now!
It takes just a smear - a Dobbs'll do ya!
I like Philip Roth, and in his latest novel, Exit Ghost, he does a nice elegy for George Plimpton.
That's a pretty good recommendation.
I even had one guy say that I was probably just looking for someone to take care of the yard!
Well that certainly would have been a plus ... !
I think you missed the "back when I was single" part.
Damn. There's always a catch.
Even the good Prior Aelred from above is less cloistered than the GOP wants women to be...
lutton
Wantin' ain't gettin'.
Not as long as I have MY strength.
Quit bragging, Southern Beale. Not attractive. Probably not true either.
true or false, BHO is gonna be on snl tonight?
Back when I was single I had more than one guy tell me they found it intimidating that I owned my own home.
Jesus that's appalling. Please tell me that was a long time ago......
if there is a prayer or something you can recommend for healing and cleansing of the electorate.
I did magic w the witches tonight, but, honestly, there's an old Wiccan saying that the best spell for getting a new job is to fill out a job application. You can do it while chanting and you can do it with deep intention, but it's still the best spell.
Drive people to the polls. Make calls. Write letters. Do whatever practical stuff you can do. After you've done all that, here's a good chant:
By the power of three times three,
Obama president shall be.
Palin's a fraud for all to see.
This is my will, so mote it be.
Don't get me wrong. I love men, but I don't NEED one to validate my existence.
Terry C - Obama/Biden 2008
B-b-but a woman without a man is like Rush Limbaugh without OxyContin and someone else's prescription for Viagra during a vacation to Dominican Republic!!!
She's just very interesting, smart, funny, boisterous, and outspoken - the kind of woman every gay man would love."
Got the Burger King vote locked up, then.
(There's a local business called Mattress King whose spokesman, a very earnest-looking cracker wearing a plastic crown, looks almost but not quite as gay as the Burger King.)
Okay, mofo, I'm inspired. I can't just sit around and watch this turn out badly. At least I'll know I've fought.
I like Philip Roth, and in his latest novel, Exit Ghost, he does a nice elegy for George Plimpton.
That's a pretty good recommendation.
edub
I have NEVER gotten around to reading his novel about Lindbergh beating FDR for the presidency and the country becoming a fascist dictatorship
I MUST read that.
Wouldn't any real man prefer to be WANTED not NEEDED?
Southern Beale
Nobody needs me. Except my children, perhaps.
Southern Beale: I think you missed the "back when I was single" part.
Rikki, don't lose that number.
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Last I heard Obama had cancelled his appearance on SNL tonight.
Jesus that's appalling. Please tell me that was a long time ago......
I've been married for 7 years so yeah, it was a few years ago.
American Pastoral is one of my very favorite books.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari: true or false, BHO is gonna be on snl tonight?
Reportedly cancelled due to Ike.
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I've already signed up to work for Obama in PA, but I'm also thinking of helping out in my old district in NJ, the 5th, where Rabbi Dennis Shulman is running against the Scott Garrett, the worst Congresscritter in the northeast.
See http://www.dumpgarrett.com/
I've never realized till lately that so many people were stuck in the past.
Or longing for it.
Seems to me, soooo much of conservativism is about longing for a past that never even existed. They constantly long for a non-existent world.
I have NEVER gotten around to reading his novel about Lindbergh beating FDR for the presidency and the country becoming a fascist dictatorship
I MUST read that.
Terry C - Obama/Biden 2008
The Plot Against America.
Pretty good alternative history.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20.../243/251/
597755
true or false, BHO is gonna be on snl tonight?
I heard he canceled, something to do with the hurricane.
Disappointed, almost as much as I was when he played nicey-nice with Walnuts on Thursday.
I wonder how long before McCain dumps Sarah Palin? I'm thinking the next two weeks ... and then hellooooo Joe Lieberman!
B-b-but a woman without a man is like Rush Limbaugh without OxyContin and someone else's prescription for Viagra during a vacation to Dominican Republic!!!
Which, if I read Rush's intentions correctly, is still a woman without a man. Or Rush without a woman.
Hi-ho!
It would be wrong not to speculate, yes?
So the price of crude oil DROPS, we get a hurricane in oil-producing area, and keeping in mind the 6 week rule for gas price drops, gas prices RISE by $.15 a litre or $.50 a gallon OVERNIGHT?
Bullshit.
I have NEVER gotten around to reading his novel about Lindbergh beating FDR for the presidency and the country becoming a fascist dictatorship
I MUST read that.
Terry C - Obama/Biden 2008
A fairly entertaining, if thin, read. I read it a couple years back, while on vacation.
Uhhh.. The burger king guy doesn't look gay. He's fucking creepy. More so than a clown.
I heard he canceled, something to do with the hurricane.
Yeah I read that too. Felt it would be inappropriate.
Mrs. I A-J
last I heard he dropped out due to seriousity of Ike, etc. My feeling--just as well, one less phony outrage meme that was sure to follow (not sayin never do anything, but tonite...feh.) snl ain't what it used to be, anyhoo.
FL, VA and OH are going for McCain.
wrong on all 3 counts. landslide coming when all 3 go for Obama
"Wouldn't any real man prefer to be WANTED not NEEDED?"
people chronically needy are not partners but parasites....energy suckers. avoid them.
30 seconds of Obama talking and 30 seconds of McCain talking make it pretty clear who has the solutions.
stinky | 09.13.08 - 11:15 pm | #
George Stepinfetchit: So Osama. I mean Obama, is the man standing next to you the bestest, greatest patriot ever, or only among the greatest? And how do you justify running against this true american hero? And can you explain your relationship to the felon reszco?
I wonder how long before McCain dumps Sarah Palin? I'm thinking the next two weeks ... and then hellooooo Joe Lieberman!
he's stuck with her. the damage is done. the fundies would riot.
Hecate!
THANK YOU!
true or false, BHO is gonna be on snl tonight?
Present.
"a prayer or something you can recommend for healing and cleansing of the electorate."
Funny.
gas prices RISE by $.15 a litre or $.50 a gallon OVERNIGHT?
Bullshit.
It's gone up 50 cents in two days here. I hate to see what it is tomorrow.
Rabbi Dennis Shulman is running against the Scott Garrett, the worst Congresscritter in the northeast.
See http://www.dumpgarrett.com/
Karin Hussein | 09.13.08 - 11:19 pm | #
Shulman was featured over on Daily Kos earlier today or actually it may have been yesterday as part of their "Orange to Blue" drive.
sheets
Sheetses...
wrong on all 3 counts. landslide coming when all 3 go for Obama
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
I pray every minute of every day that this happens.
But if it doesn't, Obama can still win.
Winning just one of OH, VA or FL though would be AWESOME.
Obama backed out of SNL because of Ike.
doug r: So the price of crude oil DROPS, we get a hurricane in oil-producing area, and keeping in mind the 6 week rule for gas price drops, gas prices RISE by $.15 a litre or $.50 a gallon OVERNIGHT?
Bullshit.
It went up a dollar here in 24 hours.
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wrong on all 3 counts. landslide coming when all 3 go for Obama
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Your post to God's ear.
Hecate, all of that was wise and awesome.
Wouldn't any real man prefer to be WANTED not NEEDED?
Southern Beale
When the Evening Bulletin was still around (died in 1982) in Philadelphia, the Sunday mag that came with the paper had some good articles.
There was one story about how women don't need men for financial support and can be more choosy.
Which is true.
You should have seen the shit the author of that article got. She called a "man hater" and everything else.
To rightards, "feminine" means "dependent" and "subservient".
So the price of crude oil DROPS, we get a hurricane in oil-producing area, and keeping in mind the 6 week rule for gas price drops, gas prices RISE by $.15 a litre or $.50 a gallon OVERNIGHT?
Bullshit.
doug r, class of 1962
Oil needs to be refined into gasoline. So a barrel of oil and a gallon of gas could be separately priced.
But the falling price of oil does lend credence to the speculative aspect of oil prices the last few months.
sapient--i finally decided that my head was gonna explode talking & watching the teevee & reading blogs & commenting, so i might as well at least do something--first campaign I've worked on since McGovern (oops--there goes my yuteful facade).
I have no idea what "most" gay men think of Palin, but my landscape designer is v openly gay and he hates Palin. Come on, she's no friend of gays.
The Plot Against America.
fucking loved it. not a Handmaids Tale, but very topical critique of American fascism
NTodd aka Snowshoe Man Palin | Homepage | 09.13.08 - 11:07 pm
awesome dude! Have you considered staring your own blog?
as for pretty woman - give it a rest - street walker and rich guy find chivalry and happiness. complete bollocks! and don't get me started on fried green tomatoes - should've been called "Lookout! Train!"
Oops -
she GOT called a "man hater"
I heard he canceled, something to do with the hurricane.
I don't get the big deal anyway. A black guy asking for change? What's so unusual about that?
[/Peggy Noonan]
The Plot Against America.
fucking loved it. not a Handmaids Tale, but very topical critique of American fascism
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
A member of this community ALSO recommended " Eleanor v. Ike", which I ALSO have on my Amazon wish list.
FOund the Christopher Buckley demolishing of Tom Clancy, which is worth reading:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/ful...20clancy&
st=cse
It isn't as good, though, as the classic Molly Ivins dismemberment of Camille Paglia:
http://www.its.caltech.edu/
~eric...ivins_on_paglia
Bats -- it's late & I am having trouble staying connected (satellite broadband -- Ike weather all the way up here in MI) -- FWIW, I think Obama COULD take Ohio, but he needs to get his finger out -- GOTV in the cities (north of I-70 plus Columbus & Dayton) -- NM is currently leaning McCain (a Gore state)!
But -- Good Night & Good Luck!
Remember to tell Republicans that to avoid overcrowding at the polls, Democrats vote Tuesday & Republicans vote Wednesday
I have no idea what "most" gay men think of Palin, but my landscape designer is v openly gay and he hates Palin. Come on, she's no friend of gays.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
She wants to "cure" gay people, as if being gay is a disease.
Hey, I happen to think being a wingnut is a mental illness.
Well, above the clamor, I would like to thank Atrios for the insight he provided with the post provided.
Bravo.
I have no idea what "most" gay men think of Palin, but my landscape designer is v openly gay and he hates Palin. Come on, she's no friend of gays.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | 09.13.08 - 11:24 pm | #
You obviously haven't gotten the memo from S in Mich. McCain is the new gay Moses!
I've knocked on a few doors for the 2004 election, but I have to say that it creeps me out. I liked the people I saw in the Obama office today though - really nice. If I can go with someone, I can stand it.
I MUST read that.
Good enough read, but "The Human Stain" knocked me right the fuck out...
I've knocked on a few doors for the 2004 election, but I have to say that it creeps me out.
"Say, did you ever hear about the time God was murdered by man? Come inside, and let me tell you about it! Can I get you a Clamato?"
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"Seems to me, soooo much of conservativism is about longing for a past that never even existed. They constantly long for a non-existent world."
I do not grasp that as a complete view. There are a lot of things from the past I miss. But I also remember a lot of the bad. Progress is good if we respect where we came from.
I was reading some of the messages on the Houston Chron site. People were sending real time reports on their situation and others were asking. Cross country communication. I sort of marveled at that. During the storm we had live video of the events as well as the dumb reporters doing their man against the wind imitations. Times change. Other people who lost power and unable to hit the internet were texting on their cells. Amazing.
Now compare that to the 1900 Galveston strike and what it took to even let the world know it had happened.
Hey, I liked Fried Green Tomatoes. The scene where they throw the cans of food out of the train always makes me choke up.
"Rainbow Six" is the most blatantly homo-erotic military drama series in publishing history.
It's now close enough to steal.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | 09.13.08 - 11:12 pm | #
BINGO -- and that's the official media narrative between now and election day -- it's called priming the pump for a rationale to explain why the generic Democrat lost...yet again.
You're right -- the "debates" are just another distraction...one more vacuous bobblehead IOKIYAR rulz fest -- that fix is in.
Currently, I'm working the phones, working the refs, registering new voters, knocking on doors, planting yard signs, and will volunteer as a poll watcher on election day -- I just hope it will be enough to turn back the tide of systematic GOPer caging and direct-mail election fraud.
Also, throwing some money to the ACLU is always good.
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You obviously haven't gotten the memo from S in Mich. McCain is the new gay Moses!
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Oh, fuck her.
Sideways.
With a rusty chain.
Fucking malignant narcissist.
ChainSAW
Fucking malignant narcissist.
Terry C - Obama/Biden 2008
I adore you, yet dont quite understand your enmity.
Wow.
One of today's good finds (imho).
Not always in agreement with Mr. Murphy,
but this one is spot on:
http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/1...rbons-homeland/
I miss WOOT and his birds
Teary-eyed.
be good,
c
ps. I miss WOOT too.
oh for christs sake just admit you had no idea what the word "eschaton" meant at the time. I forgive you.
afterall, the road goes on forever.
*
But who was Media Horse? That's what I want to know.
That should have been a footnote.
"Very long time readers, if any of you still exist,"
Here I is, baby! When I started reading, Cosmic Grappler, Tena and Anonymous ruled the comments nest, with Ricky Vandel (and the Church of Fandel) and Anonymous as trolls. Those weren't the days! And some nights, too.
Of course, that was when Eschaton was a sucky blog. Things are much better now! And I comment much, much less, which is undoubtedly a relief to everyone, including me.
I have given up commenting to pursue my study of Graham Greene, the English writer. An absorbing and complex man, or a self-indulgent hypocrite?
But who was Media Horse? That's what I want to know.
wetzel
Mediahorseonline.com? An insightful blog on the media, precursor of Media Matters? Right?
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