I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I've got a giant-sized man-thing.
The blood-alcohol levels ranged from .16 percent to .29 percent
Light weights.
.29 percent is pretty damn high.
fucking kirk herbstreet.
Students should not drink or smoke or have sex. I didn't.
Maybe their alcohol level made them more inflammable? Or is it flammable? Or nonuninflammable?
it really isnt that hard to run out of a house. drunk or not. when it is on fire.
Alcohol caused their deaths like Pelosi made oil prices go up...capiche?
Think about the CHILDREN!
.29 percent is pretty damn high.
Not where I went to school!
being drunk slows down your responses
"several of the students may have had sex, or at least watched pornographic videos."
The blood-alcohol levels ranged from .16 percent to .29 percent
Light weights.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:08 pm | #
That's what I wake up at in the morning.
If you're on fire and running down the street, people will get out of your way.
it really isnt that hard to run out of a house. drunk or not. when it is on fire.
euphronius
At a BAC of .29, you might be passed out.
Maybe the alcohol made their deaths a little less painful.
being drunk slows down your responses
Moonbootica, Heterodox
I wasz jush gettn reddy to shay that!
Hey Moon: When are the labor unions going to start leaving the New Labor Party?
in an emergency, being under the influence of alcohol is not helpful
The blood-alcohol levels ranged from .16 percent to .29 percent
Light weights.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:08 pm | #
Wait until they get a load of me...
The legal limit for driving in North Carolina is .08 percent
How fast was the house going and who was driving it?
BTW, before the Carolina-Clemson game, the Carolina fans have a bonfire where they burn a paper tiger. They have canceled it this year since 6 of the students were from Carolina and one from Clemson.
Hey Moon: When are the labor unions going to start leaving the New Labor Party?
rootless-e | 11.17.07 - 12:11 pm | #
no idea, i think they both need each other, they won't admit it though
even though Blair has done his very best to loosen the bonds, its still there
being drunk slows down your responses
Moonbootica, Heterodox
I wasz jush gettn reddy to shay that!
lipreader
Seriously, tho, new drinkers might have some problems with BAC in the .2- .3 range, but it ain't really that much, once you're used to it. Not saying you should drive or anything, but sitting around partying in a house rented for just that purpose, no big deal.
Wait until they get a load of me...
steve simels
I think that must be Chimpy's motto.
Well, the "Clap Rock" segment of 10@10 is a little disappointing.
They actually played "Jack and Diane"! Although right now, they're playing "Saturday Night" by the Bay City Rollers... or should I say "S-S-S-Saturday Night"?
poop
Big Larry
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Spontaneous combustion can't be ruled out.
i think the fact that they died means the fire went really fast our the smoke knocked them out quick.
fucking kirk herbstreet.
euphronius | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:08 pm
So, what's wrong with Kirk Herbstreit, my fellow Centerville High School graduate?
i think the fact that they died means the fire went really fast our the smoke knocked them out quick.
euphronius
Exactly. And one of the dead hadn't been drinking at all.
Spontaneous combustion can't be ruled out.
It's very underreported.
The reason it's news is so that the holier-than-thou types can cluck their tongues and wag their fingers and place the blame on the kids for drinking.
.29 is pretty damn high. That person would not have been able to run out unassisted.
In a hospital lab I where I once worked, a gal came into the ER 2 consecutive nights with an alcohol of something like 283 (.283), exactly.
I was amazed...THAT, my friends, is a regular drinker.
recently here in the UK reports have been coming out bout teenagers drinking and drug habits
it happens every couple of years, people discover an old issue
Seriously, tho, new drinkers might have some problems with BAC in the .2- .3 range, but it ain't really that much, once you're used to it.
Moe Szyslak
I just looked at Wiki:
Unless a person has developed a high tolerance, a BAC rating of 0.20 represents very serious intoxication (most first-time drinkers would be unconscious by about 0.15), and 0.35 represents potentially fatal alcohol poisoning. 0.40 is the accepted LD50, or lethal dose for 50% of adult humans. For a long-time, heavy drinker, those numbers can at least double. In extreme cases, individuals have survived BACs as high as 0.914.
Still sounds pretty high to me.
I think the house was brought down by a controlled demolition.
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.29 is pretty damn high. That person would not have been able to run out unassisted.
magster
The person with 0.00 couldn't run out either.
.2- .3 range,
Well...I've measured a few hundred BAC's in my day. And .29 is universally pretty fucked up, although serious lushes can fake it...
Beer farts are known incendiary devices.
But yeah, when drunks pass out, they aren't the fastest out of bed - or off the floor.
i think the fact that they died means the fire went really fast our the smoke knocked them out quick.
Most people that expire in fires as such are overcome by smoke.
So, what's wrong with Kirk Herbstreit, my fellow Centerville High School graduate?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Is THE GAME on yet? And if so, where?
when my dad took my sister to Swindon hospital (for the slipped contact lens that never was) the majority of those injured at 1am were people who had had bottles thrown at them, so they end up with gashes in their heads, and they were not drunk themseleves
ABC
euphronius: ABC
Easy as 1-2-3.
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has suicide-pact cult been ruled out?
were they playing DnD at the time?
ABC
euphronius
Oh yeah, they of the fumble cover up from last week. Fuck.
some tolerate alcohol better than others
my brother for instance, can't hold his drink
my brother for instance, can't hold his drink
Moonbootica, Heterodox | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:18 pm | #
? not even a mug with a handle?
my brother for instance, can't hold his drink
Moonbootica
He should take those mittens off. Much easier that way.
So, what's wrong with Kirk Herbstreit, my fellow Centerville High School graduate?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Is THE GAME on yet? And if so, where?
lipreader | 11.17.07 - 12:16 pm
Probably within the hour.
it really isnt that hard to run out of a house. drunk or not. when it is on fire.
Depends on how much smoke you've inhaled as it effects your ability to reason. An old Victorian house that had been cut up into apartments burned down while I was living in it, but one guy died. He made it to a large, open, unscreened window, was seen by several people outside who called on him to jump out, but he turned around and went back inside and the fire fighters found his body under the kitchen table. The window was less than 8 feet off the ground.
Not where I went to school!
As a very, very occasional drinker and son of an alcoholic, I have never understood the pride that people, particularly college students, express in talking about how drunk they've gotten.
I passed out and vomited, give me a medal!
god and one night me and my mum were out at Revolutions (a Vodka bar) and next to us was a obviously rat arsed bloke telling unfunny jokes to his equally drunk companions
I'm still drunk.
I watched that South Park episode that everyone raved about, last night. I guess if one has never played Worlds of Warcraft, et al, it is a lost cause.
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Apparently I owe Euphronius a drink.
If you pass out during sexual congress, you've had one too many.
some tolerate alcohol better than others
my brother for instance, can't hold his drink
Moonbootica, Heterodox
Is he asian?
They are said to be deficient in alcohol dehydrogenase.
dt'd
ta = typical american.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
I have it on good confidence that NTodd is an Atypical American.
And Toonscribe, that Hulk film is almost finished and in the can, man!
Fortunately, I abhor vomiting and remember that even after I'm drunk.
DK's full 5 minutes of permitted words in the last debate
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl...11/16/231021/
12
and the NYTimes word count analysis is always interesting. As usual, the "moderators" get to instruct everyone at length.
http://www.nytimes.com/
interacti...html#transcript
'hold his drink' as in tolerance
one Christmas Eve my brother went out on the town (this was before he met Julie and had Seity) and he came back rat arsed and then proceded to pour himself a glass of southern comfort and coke.
pretty soon he was throwing up and lot of it ended up on the bathroom walls
so my mum had to then get up and spent an hour cleaning it
And Toonscribe, that Hulk film is almost finished and in the can, man!
I thought I was commenting about yet another Superman movie.
Fortunately, I abhor vomiting
???
Ah, the spines of the Senators, folding again: They're giving BushBoy control over warrantless surveillance in the US, with a foreign hook.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/arch...ives/
004733.php
Senate Surveillance Bill Still Authorizes Warrantless Surveillance
By Spencer Ackerman - November 16, 2007, 3:31PM
The version of the surveillance bill that came out of the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday (and that was approved in a do-over vote today) strips out the hotly-debated immunity provision for telecommunications companies. But several other proposals disliked by civil libertarians remain. For instance: like the Senate Select Intelligence Committee version that served as its template, there isn't a role for the FISA Court in approving surveillance of foreign-to-domestic communications. That power, formerly in the hands of an independent court -- to approve quaint things like "warrants" -- would reside with the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence.
What's Dodd's take on the warrantless surveillance of American based communications?
I mean, if there is a call to someone in the USA, what's so hard about continuing tracking while someone fills out the paperwork--and in 7 days (and iirc there actually is more time granted) go to the FISA court for a warrant to continue?Unless, of course, there really isn't cause to spy on this individual?
Without court oversight, what is to prevent the Atty General from just letting anyone be spied on? You think Gonzales had any compunction about that? And Mukasey says he defers to some special powers of the executive during time of war. Which, apparently, is now decided unilaterally by the Unitary Excecutive. The DNI has already shown he will lie to Congress to extort legislation more favorable to the Maladministration.
Where are the checks? Where is there balance? Where is the role of the Constitution?
If the argument is that it's too difficult for the government to do in this instance, why should it be required to get warrants for suspected criminals within the US? If the Constitution can be bent or ignored in one instance, why not in others?
The Constitution doesn't have all these opt-out clauses BushCo, apparently Mukasey, and now the Senate seem to see in it. I realize BushBoy will get anything he wants out of the Roberts' Court (woe betide a Dem prez with the same court!), but, actual reading of our founding document does not give these magical powers of monarchical dimension to the executive.
I'd rather read a news story on if the house met code, what kind of repair it was in, were the smoke detectors working, etc.
I don't know anything at all about this case, but I once did a story on a slum lord who nearly lost a house full of frat boys cuz the place was a fire trap. It wouldn't surprise me if the same issues weren't at play here.
my brother of course has less time to go out, since he has responsibility now and its done him a world of good.
hah he's turned into a wine drinker
Fortunately, I abhor vomiting
???
racymind
You're confusing lipreader with mimi the supermodel. She's the one that enjoys vomiting.
I think the house was brought down by a controlled demolition.
With all the camera phones around, isn't it suspicious that there are no pictures of people planting symmetrical explosives? Clearly Massad in cahoots with Bush destroyed this place because people in there KNEW SOMETHING.
to pour himself a glass of southern comfort and coke.
Just the thought is making me sick.
oh demon alcohol
sad memories I can't recall
who thought I would fall
a slave
to demon alcohol
- Ray.
Think I'll put that story on line, so you can see what I'm talking about...
racymind, I never drink to the point of getting sick because I have a strong aversion to getting sick. I've learned my lesson, make sense?
I thought I was commenting about yet another Superman movie.
Toonscribe: Cartoon Liberal
There's going to be another one of those, too!
being sober and surrounded by rat arsed people is an eye opener
when I was one of the Head Stewards at last years Swansea Uni Beer Race we weren't allowed to drink till the run had ended
because previous years the stewards and head stewards had gotten hammered and well if your hammered and the competitors are hammered, bad combination
Clearly Massad in cahoots with Bush destroyed this place because people in there KNEW SOMETHING.
NTodd, On On WANDERSEXXX! | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:23 pm | #
Don't act surprised when AIPAC cuts off your holoscan access now.
I think the house was brought down by a controlled demolition.
With all the camera phones around, isn't it suspicious that there are no pictures of people planting symmetrical explosives? Clearly Massad in cahoots with Bush destroyed this place because people in there KNEW SOMETHING.
NTodd, On On WANDERSEXXX! | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:23 pm | #
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dude, the cleaning crews are run my a company that owns shares in a mutual fund that sent a prospectus to neil bush
Don't act surprised when AIPAC cuts off your holoscan access now.
rootless-e
ANTI - SEMITE!!!!!
I passed out and vomited, give me a medal!
See, here's the thing: I NEVER passed out. And I NEVER vomited.
The latter point was a particular point of pride with me...
i do miss student nights out 
my social life has reverted to zero since coming home
when I was one of the Head Stewards at last years Swansea Uni Beer Race
Just the idea of the Swansea Uni Beer Race makes me laugh.
This soap opera journalism shit has got to stop. I hate it more than I hate the biased stuff. Chicago's TV news is all over this suburban cop who maybe killed a couple of his wives. And okay, whatever, murder, but as I said to Mr. A last night, this affects my life how? Other than wanting a voyeuristic thrill out of participating in somebody else's story, what's the fucking POINT of this coverage?
In other words, GRR.
A.
Devize has no nightlife
is sucky
Maybe they knew they were gonna die in a fire and decided to drink and have sex while they still had time.
it really isnt that hard to run out of a house. drunk or not. when it is on fire.
euphronius | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:09 pm | #
Girl I knew in college partied a little too much (drink and quaaludes) went out into the snow, lay down to go to sleep and froze to death.
This was during the twilight of the counter culture...the whole post Altamont let's just get as fucked up as we can era.
Memorandum
From: Rest of the World
To: Duncan Black:
It's called "Human Interest". Some folks actually care and are concerned when a tragedy happens. It's an empathetic release and it helps to keep us in a living bond with others in our global village.
You can return to your vacuum bubble now. "I am a rock, I am an Island."
i think the fact that they died means the fire went really fast our the smoke knocked them out quick.
Most people that expire in fires as such are overcome by smoke.
L.E. is getting too large for the butt gap.
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I'd mention all of the times I've gotten so drunk that I passed out, but I can't remember them.
0.29? That's the kind of drunk that makes you sleep through anything.
I guess no white women have disappeared lately.
This was during the twilight of the counter culture...the whole post Altamont let's just get as fucked up as we can era.
steve simels | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:26 pm | #
normal social life in Northern Europe for the last 300 years.
From: R--
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"It's an empathetic release and it helps to keep us in a living bond with others in our global village. "
And this explains Diana, Brittany and Linday fixation how?
It's an empathetic release
That's fucking vampiric. It's kind of a lot of pressure to put on the dead kids, to emotionally get you off, don't you think?
A.
At the Univ of Tennessee on more than one occasion Campus Police found drunken Freshmen who had drowned while trying to throw-up in a toilet.
If you pass out during sexual congress, you've had one too many.
What if the Congress is in recess?
And this explains Diana, Brittany and Linday fixation how?
beer-goggles
At the Univ of Tennessee on more than one occasion Campus Police found drunken Freshmen who had drowned while trying to throw-up in a toilet.
Toonscribe: Cartoon Liberal | 11.17.07 - 12:27 pm | #
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
Other than wanting a voyeuristic thrill out of participating in somebody else's story, what's the fucking POINT of this coverage?
Athenae
Ratings >> Advertising >> Revenue
When I got my DUI, I registered a .26.
Shit happens.
Just the idea of the Swansea Uni Beer Race makes me laugh.
rootless-e | 11.17.07 - 12:25 pm | #
I had pictures and a blog post from last year - Swansea University RAG Beer Race 2006
and some more on flickr - Beer Race 2006
I had been a Steward the year before
They weren't as drunk as this administration:
The agency that distributes billions of dollars in American foreign aid cannot "reasonably ensure" that its money does not wind up in terrorist hands, an internal audit has concluded.
The United States Agency for International Development funded groups with ties to terrorism on at least two occasions, the agency's inspector general found in an audit. That included approving $180,000 for a Bosnian group whose president was on a "watch list" that barred him from entering the United States, and $1 million for an aid "partner" who later pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents about his involvement with a disciple of Osama bin Laden.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/
se...0,7008098.story
This soap opera journalism shit has got to stop. ..
In other words, GRR.
A.
Athenae
I thought about you when I read this.
This woman broke one of the hugest corrupt stories in recent Texas memory. Her whole bureau axed for budget reasons...
You can return to your vacuum bubble now. "I am a rock, I am an Island."
Poncho & Lefty
Well, we've kind of gone overboard in the "human interest" direction, and it is for a reason.
This was during the twilight of the Bush Administration...the whole post 9/11 let's just get as fucked up as we can era.
steve simels
Fixed your typo.
Some folks actually care and are concerned when a tragedy happens.
So explain how their BAC had anything to do with the tragic nature of this fire.
This soap opera journalism shit has got to stop.
It's a huge part of why I just can't watch tv news anymore. I'm sorry for any untimely death, but, you know, they happen every day. (Whole lotta folks die early because they breathe polluted air and drink polluted water and eat food full of chemicals. Oddly, not too many tv stories about that.) There is a difference between an occasional human interest story and this bullshit.
This soap opera journalism shit has got to stop. I hate it more than I hate the biased stuff. Chicago's TV news is all over this suburban cop who maybe killed a couple of his wives.
And if he's innocent, how does he get his reputation back (assuming he had one to begin with)?
At the Univ of Tennessee on more than one occasion Campus Police found drunken Freshmen who had drowned while trying to throw-up in a toilet.
Darwin Awards material.
I'd rather read a news story on if the house met code, what kind of repair it was in, were the smoke detectors working, etc.
If I were a tinfoily type, I might wonder whether the house was owned by a crony of the newspaper publisher, who decided to play up the "drunken" nature of the victims, who obviously deserved their fate due to their inebriated condition in order to draw attention away from such structural concerns...
No Athenae. If you have a callous nature then you would likely see it as you are seeing it.
What this country needs is a good shark attack.
I'd be willing to bet the drunkest I've ever been (complete with projectile vomiting, dry heaves, etc.) was under .20 BAC
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At the Univ of Tennessee on more than one occasion Campus Police found drunken Freshmen who had drowned while trying to throw-up in a toilet.
Toonscribe: Cartoon Liberal
It's not like college kids can spare the extra dead brain cells.
If you pass out during sexual congress, you've had one too many.
I'd say you had one too few...money shots, I mean.
I've been drunk but I've never ever had sex
Jefferson, I recall the legallimit was 0.15 some years ago, then 0.10, now 0.08.
0.2 is not generally puking territory.
It's called "Human Interest". Some folks actually care and are concerned when a tragedy happens.
Right, we should care about every sparrow, yet not wonder why the focus on drinking, particularly since no blonde women were eaten by sharks.
Thanks for your concern. Go empathically release yourself into some kleenex.
From: Rest of the World
Thanks for speaking for all of us.
Jackass.
I know I'm an alcholic,
Sometimes I regret it,
Specially when the liquor store,
Won't gimme any credit.
Big Twist
It's an empathetic release
That's fucking vampiric. It's kind of a lot of pressure to put on the dead kids, to emotionally get you off, don't you think?
I don't even understand what this means. You need to release your pent up empathy? You release other pressures that you feel in your own life by empathisizing w/ dead college kids? I don't even think this is English.
i know when I'm rat arsed because everything sounds far away oh and the room swims
I know I'm an alcholic,
Sometimes I regret it,
Specially when the liquor store,
Won't gimme any credit.
Signed, Professor Althouse
So explain how their BAC had anything to do with the tragic nature of this fire.
Probably because they were passed out or groggy, which then meant that before they realized anything was wrong, they had already inhaled too much smoke to respond to the danger. Or they died without ever knowing the house was on fire. It's almost always the smoke that kills you.
"When I got my DUI, I registered a .26. "
I have an young acquaintance who is working through the consequences of his DWI arrest two years back. He has fines, probation and other tasks to deal with.
I was comparing his one arrest with my experiences when I was young and unfettered and realized I would likely be in prison for my many moments of lack of judgment.
Back then, the times I was pulled over, it was basically a stern warning and can we follow you home to make sure you get there.
Fortunately I wised up early in the game.
Much as I hate the song "Dirty Laundry", it was on the radio while I was trying to get the strength to turn off the alarm the other morn. I was struck by how apropos it was to Ms. Lewinski's dress.
In other words, GRR.
A.
Athenae
Luke-warm disagreement, A. That he was a cop and is accused of using that position to intmidate his wives is concerning. Chicago-area cops have not exactly had a track record of full compliance with civil rights. If this guy in Bollingbrook was able to arm-twist, intimidate, bribe, or just politely ask others to overlook incriminating evidence calls into question issues of corruption and even RICO stuff.
In other works, if he did murder the women, it may just be the tip of the iceberg of corruption.
Why is this news? Um, er, because they were drinking *underage*, stupid. Atrios is really off his game today.
mdhatter: 0.2 is not generally puking territory.
Perhaps so, but I am a lightweight. I can drink 9 beers in a sitting, but that sitting is usually 8-9 hours in length.
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Those damn kids were obviously listening to Marilyn Manson and playing Magic: The Gathering.
Jesus, racy. What a mess.
Hecate, what makes me crazy is that there seem to be no standards for what turns into this kind of neverending story and what doesn't. One person's sick fucked-up situation makes the national news and becomes something we all know about, and another one's doesn't. It's too random to even decode.
A.
Moon, when you come to Philly, we will drive you over to the dockyards and you can maybe get lucky when one of the East Indiamen call into port.
Girl I knew in college partied a little too much (drink and quaaludes) went out into the snow, lay down to go to sleep and froze to death.
Knew a guy that the same thing happened to. No snow, but the guy was shitfaced and eating downs and tried to walk home from several miles away from his house when the temp was in the 20's. Found him in a field where he laid down to take a nap.
Girl I knew in college partied a little too much (drink and quaaludes) went out into the snow, lay down to go to sleep and froze to death.
This was during the twilight of the counter culture...the whole post Altamont let's just get as fucked up as we can era.
steve simels
Sen. McGovern's daughter met a similar demise in Madison many years ago. He's very outspoken about her battle with alcohol abuse.
Why is this news? Um, er, because they were drinking *underage*, stupid. Atrios is really off his game today.
Yeah...really newsworthy.
Kids never drink underage!
athenae, the victims usually have to be white. and women. that is usually a rule.
i know I get pissed off when human interest stories crop up on 'serious' news programmes
they really should have their own light news show
and the main news should just represent the facts and disband with howyadoingfeelingcrap
once upon a time the news treated you like a grownup but these days its so banal (yes even Auntie Beeb is guilty of this)
There is a difference between an occasional human interest story and this bullshit.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
"..the newspaper publisher, who decided to play up the "drunken" nature of the victims, who obviously deserved their fate due to their inebriated condition."
The whole "human interest" genre of news story is intended to distract us from asking questions like this.
Moon, when you come to Philly, we will drive you over to the dockyards and you can maybe get lucky when one of the East Indiamen call into port.
WTF?????????????????
Moon, when you come to Philly, we will drive you over to the dockyards and you can maybe get lucky when one of the East Indiamen call into port.
euphronius | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:33 pm | #
I was comparing his one arrest with my experiences when I was young and unfettered and realized I would likely be in prison for my many moments of lack of judgment.
They catch you smoking dope, you're fucked for life.
Incredible.
WTF?????????????????
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:34 pm | #
ive been reading too much Patrick Obrien
It's called "Human Interest". Some folks actually care and are concerned when a tragedy happens. It's an empathetic release and it helps to keep us in a living bond with others in our global village.
Funny. I always thought of this kind of mass obsession with tragedy - with its barely submerged fascination, if not gloating, and its insistence on hunting for a (usually oppressive and wrongheaded) "moral" lesson - as the exact opposite of empathy.
its completely unfair.
while at college i was busted many times for drinking violations and once or (twice?) for marijuana violations. but because we had campus police, my record today is clean. but if i had NOT been in college and gotten the same arrests, i wouldnt be in law school right now. suxxors.
Was former congressman Sweeney in the apartment with the kids? Maybe that is where he found his young companion who was giving him a blowjob when the cops pulled him over.
Roadmaster, if the coverage was about that, I'd agree with you on its relevence. I think the overall tone of it is what bothers me, with the chyrons of the pretty young woman and the "let's talk to some junior high school classmates of the alleged victim" kind of thing. I'm generalizing, but at some point you do have to bring it around to tell everybody why they should give a shit beyond the cheap thrill of the story, and TV ain't doing so good a job of that right now.
A.
Why is this news? Um, er, because they were drinking *underage*, stupid.
Weird, because I've never met anybody who drank underage. Why, I'm surprised this isn't being discussed right now in an emergency session at the UN Security Council!`
no standards for what turns into this kind of neverending story and what doesn't.
I agree, although I think some of it is the "luck of the draw" as to whether there are family members to exploit/be exploited by the newsies. IOW, a distraught mother who's willing to go on tv and cry about her missing white adult daughter can keep a story going longer and sometimes the family is adivised to do that in order to keep the story in front of the public in the hopes that the missing white woman will be spotted. But I'm sick of it. And there's a huge difference between local news and national news that CNN, for example, just doesn't get.
I was comparing his one arrest with my experiences when I was young and unfettered and realized I would likely be in prison for my many moments of lack of judgment.
I know someone who crashed his vehicle while drunk on the job. It was a gasoline tanker. Fortunately for him, it didn't blow up. He now works in a furniture store.
Granted, my DUI was seven years ago, and I don't drive anymore.
Though, when I get my license back, it'll cost me $700. My bad.
does the article even say if they are underage?
It's called "Human Interest". Some folks actually care and are concerned when a tragedy happens. It's an empathetic release and it helps to keep us in a living bond with others in our global village.
Funny. I always thought of this kind of mass obsession with tragedy - with its barely submerged fascination, if not gloating, and its insistence on hunting for a (usually oppressive and wrongheaded) "moral" lesson - as the exact opposite of empathy.
Phila
The reason for the difference of opinion is obvious.
You're not a fucking moron.
Moon, when you come to Philly, we will drive you over to the dockyards and you can maybe get lucky when one of the East Indiamen call into port.
euphronius | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:33 pm | # [kill][hide comment
What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
also less distracting graphics
lot of fluffery
just report the fucking news
I realized just how small I town I've moved to on Thursday, when one front-page story in the Oshkosh Northwestern was about a kid robbing another kid's lemonade stand.
I'm not kidding. Front page.
Human interest = ghoulish?
Who knew?
bbl
Disaster Porn
I realized just how small I town I've moved to on Thursday, when one front-page story in the Oshkosh Northwestern was about a kid robbing another kid's lemonade stand.
Best thing about small-town WI newspapers is the crime reports.
More DUIs and meth busts than you could ever imagine.
"They catch you smoking dope, you're fucked for life."
Interesting point if I am catching it correctly.
Funny part to me is I never worried when dealing with someone toking. Someone blitzed on booze, entirely different story. I worked fast food in those days, lots of window time on graveyard shift. The guy stoned out of his gourd usually was a blast to deal with, funny as hell. (I realize there are exceptions).
The drunks? Well I had to deal with assaults, theft, profanity and a variety of other issues.
Moon, when you come to Philly, we will drive you over to the dockyards and you can maybe get lucky when one of the East Indiamen call into port.
euphronius | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:33 pm | # [kill][hide comment
What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:38 pm | #
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i dont really know. East Indiamen dont even come to Philadelphia anymore.
I dont even think the East India Company exists anymore.
May I Hillary bash now?
It's Saturday...
was waiting in some lobby where they had helpfully placed a big TV and got to see a local news story about halloween costumes for dogs.
That kind of stuff could make you need a high blood alcohol level
was about a kid robbing another kid's lemonade stand.
I thought lemonade stands were only a wingnut myth.
I realized just how small I town I've moved to on Thursday, when one front-page story in the Oshkosh Northwestern was about a kid robbing another kid's lemonade stand.
No, that I agree with being on the front page because so long as nobody got hurt, it's hilarious. Like when at a local fair a few years back some kids snuck up on the guy playing McGruff the Crime Dog mascot dude and stole the dog head right off him.
Pointless and FUNNY trumps pointless every time.
A.
Back in another life (circa 1977) I and a few other private school faculty got invited to a student's father's home. The student kept getting into trouble with drugs, etc. The father thought we could talk about it. He had all sorts of money and a big house. We get there and the first thing he does is offer us some cocaine.
You're not a fucking moron.
jac | 11.17.07 - 12:38 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
I don't think P&L's a moron. I just don't think you take take these sorts of ritualized displays of emotions at face value, especially giving how the news of these tragedies is produced and disseminated.
Empathy's painful and private; the stuff in the media is an obstacle to it.
as the exact opposite of empathy.
It's "Na na nana na!".
Like when at a local fair a few years back some kids snuck up on the guy playing McGruff the Crime Dog mascot dude and stole the dog head right off him.
Heh.
Devizes's local fishwrap - Gazette and Herald
Best thing about small-town WI newspapers is the crime reports.
More DUIs and meth busts than you could ever imagine.
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:40 pm | #
Most depressing newspaper in America --
The Kallispell News, Kallispell Montana.
Kalispell is apparently Branson for inbred cracker assholes...
one time we had a party and this irish kid who got completely psychotic when drunk was throwing cement blocks off a 2nd story patio onto a busy road below.
that was too much for the campus police. he got kicked out of school. I think someone accused him of rape too.
Kalispell is apparently Branson for inbred cracker assholes...
steve simels | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:42 pm | #
I thought Branson was Branson for inbred cracker assholes...
I've had a martini (hey, I'm in Yurp, it's half past six), plan to have a glass or two of bougelais nouveau with my lamb chops, maybe my building will burn down. Or maybe it's because I think W is an evil motherfucker.
Being an English major, I get sort of sick of every story about a dead pet/child/woman being labeled a "tragedy...."
But hey, what am I gonna do about it?
Kalispell is apparently Branson for inbred cracker assholes...
Isn't Kalispell all money now?
one front-page story in the Oshkosh Northwestern was about a kid robbing another kid's lemonade stand.
No, that I agree with being on the front page
Of a local paper, yeah. We get this tiny little local neighborhood paper, put out as near as I can tell mostly by real estate agents, but it has a page that lists robberies, break ins, etc. by address. You can look to see if anything's going on in your neighborhood. Last summer, several blocks over, there was a rash of breakins during midday via backdoors. Knowing that, my neighbors and I were more careful about locking our back doors than we normally are, until the paper reported that the police arrested the guy. But that's 100% local news and not something that should be on CNN, complete w/ interviews of people who lost their laptops and an "expert" in backdoor locks.
Kalispell is apparently Branson for inbred cracker assholes...
steve simels
I thought Branson was Branson for inbred cracker assholes...
rorschach
Here's your Coke, and thanks for saving me the keystrokes.
Empathy's painful and private
You mean those tears Bush 43 sheds for all the men he has had killed aren't real?
TV ain't doing so good a job of that right now.
A.
Athenae
I'm getting the pieces from WGN and WBBM radio. That CLTV, WGN 9, and the other TV outlets need to fill screens with images is what drives such prurience.
I do think that tracking down wife #2 - and getting her statement that hubby threatened to off her and make it look accidental - is both valid reporting and quite damning for the cop.
But hey, what am I gonna do about it?
Rmj, Would Prefer Not To | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:43 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Start a blog, and bring the powers that be to their knees.
Hey, it worked for me!
only alcohol? let's outlaw it. people are dying.
Like many human rights campaigners protesting at Total's investment in Burma, Mike Robertson decided he would write a letter to the Paris-based oil giant suggesting it might like to pull out. But when he got Total's standard reply "skirting round the issues", Robertson decided to do something a little more dramatic. He climbed up the outside of the 324-metre Eiffel Tower without ropes.
The Wareham-based photojournalist is known in climbing circles around the world for his bold exploits, in particular climbing unroped on sea cliffs, a new form of the sport called deep-water soloing.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
france...2212601,00.html
And HEYA, Rorshach!
How's the semester going?
Who is Lloyd Grove?
Aside from someone who's name sounds like it was made up by Larry David, his review of the latest (Bedell Smith) Clinton bashing book relies on a lot of the usual bullshit.
Start a blog, and bring the powers that be to their knees.
Hey, it worked for me!
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter....
Isn't Kalispell all money now?
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:44 pm | #
I haven't looked since the mid-80s...maybe it is.
If so, I regret the error...
beaujoulais
tweedles
Fixed your typo.
(Hey, it's actually true for once.)
Being an English major, I get sort of sick of every story about a dead pet/child/woman being labeled a "tragedy...."
It ain't sophocles who is going to win the goat ear in this society.
A judge in Saudi Arabia has ordered a victim of gang rape to receive 200 lashes - more than double her original sentence for being alone with a man who was not a relative - after she appealed against the lenient sentences given to the men who attacked her. He also jailed her for six months.
The 21-year-old woman, who was 19 at the time of the attack and is known by the Saudi media as "the girl from Qatif", was raped 14 times by a gang of seven. Although her attackers were found guilty and sentenced to between 10 months and five years last year, she was simultaneously sentenced to 90 lashes as punishment for riding in a car with a man who was not a relative.
By appealing against this decision, the judge ruled on Wednesday, she was attempting to "aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media".
At the appeal, the rapists' sentences were increased to between two and nine years.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/
...2212583,00.html
That's it, Roadmaster, I'm going back to the wireless.
All right, me and my callous nature are off to a party. Have a good Saturday, bats.
A.
It ain't sophocles who is going to win the goat ear in this society.
spinoza, zygote philosopher
Well, good; because I'm still trying to, and I don't need the competition.
I know someone who crashed his vehicle while drunk on the job. It was a gasoline tanker. Fortunately for him, it didn't blow up. He now works in a furniture store.
Richard
I know of someone who drove her state car off the road while OWI. Don't know what she's up to today, but she's no longer the Wisconsin Attorney General.
Hey Roadmaster!
All is well; we're in the home stretch now...
Okay, here's an article I wrote way back when, which illustrates my point:
The County Assessor's Criminal Record as Slumlord
"My reputation is important to me, and quite frankly, I resent some of the accusations made tonight."
So said County Assessor Ken Reimers at a recent Chico Planning Commission meeting, in response to a collection of neighbors who accused Reimers of purposefully allowing a house in their midst to deteriorate. Reimers, they said, is a slumlord, who uses his elected office to find under-valued properties, buy them, and milk them for all the rent possible, without regard for the quality of renters, the condition of the property, or the effect on neighborhood property values.
But while Reimers hotly contests the charges, an Examiner review of Chico Building Department records shows that they are essentially correct. Reimers has been repeatedly cited for violations of the building codes, and his properties have a documented history of substandard conditions, faulty wiring, failed heating systems, and even rats.
One property, the Pi Kappa Phi fraternity house, was so badly maintained that it can only be described as a firetrap. And indeed, it was plain luck that Chico didn’t awake one morning to find a burned-out hulk with sixteen dead fraternity brothers inside.
Go to the link and see pictures, and the story about the near-tragedy {next post]
"Some Saudis agree with her being lashed for being with a male that wasn't a relative," said Rasheed Abou-Alsamh, international news editor at Jeddah-based Arab News, "but most feel that doubling her punishment on appeal was unfair. Among many level-headed Saudis, the consensus is: 'Come on, she's been raped multiple times. Hasn't she suffered enough?'"
Amnesty International condemned the sentence. "Human rights activists and lawyers worldwide have expressed shock and sympathy," said Lamri Chirouf, a researcher for Amnesty who specialises in the region. "There is still opportunity to appeal, and so we are mounting a campaign that we will address to the king. [The Saudi courts] have got the priorities completely wrong. They have to protect the victims, not punish them."
The victim's lawyer, a prominent human rights defender, Abdul Rahman al-Lahem, was suspended from the case as a result of the appeal and his licence, granted to Saudi lawyers by the ministry of justice, has been revoked.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/
...2212583,00.html
hey, at least Saudi arabia courts actually give women standing. so that's something.
she appealed against the lenient sentences given to the men who attacked her. He also jailed her for six months.
Actually, her lawyer appealed on her behalf. Which makes the whole thing even more grotesque.
more:
Then, disaster nearly struck.
In the early morning hours of December 4, 1987, the fire department was called to the property to douse a fire that had erupted from a light socket in a second story bedroom. The fire started at 3 AM and, fortunately, was discovered by a resident who had yet to go to sleep. According to the fire incident report, "the fire was confined to a wall mounted light fixture and the attached wiring. During the crew’s investigation, it was determined the entire building had sub-standard wiring. Crew found: overloaded circuits, faulty wiring, unsafe usage of extension cords and portable space heaters, and faulty smoke detectors."
Certainly the fraternity members can be faulted for many of the dangerous conditions, but their actions—extending extension cords from one room to another, overloading the few working sockets, and firing up portable heaters—were clearly attempts to make a dilapidated building livable.
The Fire Department was so alarmed at the condition of the building that a building inspector was awakened to investigate the situation immediately. But despite the alarm, and the clear danger as proven by the fire, the house remained occupied, and still no repairs were begun.
On December 17, Building Inspector Nelson George went to the structure and took photos of the building. The photos show fire damage around a light socket, loose and uninsulated wiring hanging freely from walls and ceilings, a furnace vent with obvious gaping holes laying atop a wooden kitchen cabinet, an inoperable smoke detector, and a clearly dangerous side porch.
The next day, December 18, Reimers sent a letter to Building Official Tony Baptiste. Reimers explained away the violations by saying that "I have had an ongoing communication problem with the house manager (Mr. Steve George)—the main problem has simply been a lack of communication in letting me know about problems." But despite whatever "communication problems" Reimers was having with the alleged building manager, it is a documented fact that he was notified via registered mail by the Building Department directly—over a month before the fire.
Go to the link and see pictures, and the story about the near-tragedy {next post]
Moe Szyslak
Now you're just toying with me...
"A judge in Saudi Arabia has ordered a victim of gang rape to receive 200 lashes -"
Bush's buddies are a riot aren't they.
But hey, we buy their oil, so they must be okeydokey folks.
"I explained to them that it was my job to do everything legal in order to serve my client. But they did not listen," he told Arab News.
Lahem is known in Saudi Arabia for his work defending women's rights. He has taken on some of the country's most controversial and sensitive cases, often making the headlines.
Last year he defended a woman whose brothers forced her to divorce her husband after they accused him of lying about his tribal affiliation. This month he was due to represent a 50-year-old woman and her daughter who claim two undercover officials commandeered their car and drove them recklessly through Riyadh after accusing them of not conforming to customs of decency.
Lahem told Reuters: "The court blamed the girl for being alone with unrelated men, but it should have taken the humane view that it cannot be considered her fault."
Lahem's critics have called him an infidel and "lawyer of homosexuals". In the past he has been jailed and banned from travelling abroad. He will appear before a disciplinary committee at the ministry of justice on December 5, charged with criticising the judiciary and conducting activist campaigns in the media.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/
...2212583,00.html
Whoops. Here's the link, with photos.
Well, good; because I'm still trying to, and I don't need the competition.
You might get the tragus and Mickey Kaus, er, the other end.
one time we had a party and this irish kid who got completely psychotic when drunk was throwing cement blocks off a 2nd story patio onto a busy road below.
A bunch of us got completely fucked up at a Science Fiction Convention at the Claremont Hotel in Berkeley and threw most of the loose furniture out of our 3rd floor room window. When one of the guys started pushing the enormous console TV toward the window, it kind of sobered us up enough to stop him, but it was too late for all of us -- the cops were already on the way.
Moe that guy awake at 3am was totally wacking it.
The truth is I am an agnostic on the question posed to us by Duncan. However, the "why" of the matter as asked appears to come from a state of disconnect with what "most" people find interesting and connect with it emotionally.
What I suspect is Duncan's base source for the irritation is he lives too close to NJ where nobody really gives a flying fart about anything happening to anyone else but themselves.
He will appear before a disciplinary committee at the ministry of justice on December 5, charged with criticising the judiciary and conducting activist campaigns in the media.
Thank heavens it can't happen here.
The point being, when a house burns down, look to the landlord first.
Transport workers' unions voted yesterday to keep a national strike going through the weekend to protest at President Nicolas Sarkozy's plans to strip away generous pension benefits, union officials said.
But nearly 68% of drivers for the SNCF national rail network ignored the strike and went to work, up from 40% on Wednesday, the first full day of the strike.
One rail union, CFDT-Cheminots, called for an end to the strike, another sign that the protest was waning. The "movement is losing steam", said CFDT-Cheminots leader Arnaud Morvan, calling for another open-ended strike for December 20. "The time has come for negotiations."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
france...2212599,00.html
What I suspect is Duncan's base source for the irritation is he lives too close to NJ where nobody really gives a flying fart about anything happening to anyone else but themselves.
How....convincing.
I don't live anywhere near NJ and I could give ten shits less. People get drunk, and people die.
thanks, I'm a stickler for this stuff too. Must be that martini. Now for the beaujolais. At least that's how it's spelled on the label. French is Greek to me. I do manage German.
to NJ where nobody really gives a flying fart about anything happening to anyone else but themselves.
That's payback for moving the Miss America contest to Las Vegas.
A bunch of us got completely fucked up at a Science Fiction Convention at the Claremont Hotel in Berkeley and threw most of the loose furniture out of our 3rd floor room window. When one of the guys started pushing the enormous console TV toward the window, it kind of sobered us up enough to stop him, but it was too late for all of us -- the cops were already on the way.
I knew some guys at a Demolay convention who did that.
"I'm going to milk this story for years"-Greta and Dan Abrams
bye for now Strictly Come Dancing is on in a sec
I do manage German.
And Germans manage David Hasselhoff.
Coincidence?
I realized just how small I town I've moved to on Thursday, when one front-page story in the Oshkosh Northwestern was about a kid robbing another kid's lemonade stand.
I'm not kidding. Front page.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:39 pm | #
Still having camera 'issues'?
Really, don't you know the priority is posting pics of the beasties?
A judge in Saudi Arabia has ordered a victim of gang rape to receive 200 lashes - more than double her original sentence for being alone with a man who was not a relative - after she appealed against the lenient sentences given to the men who attacked her. He also jailed her for six months.
Evolutionary psychologists must eat this stuff up.
What I suspect is Duncan's base source for the irritation is he lives too close to NJ where nobody really gives a flying fart about anything happening to anyone else but themselves.
Poncho & Lefty | 11.17.07 - 12:50 pm | #
You've perfectly captured that smug and dismissive tone of a certain type of winger prose. This bit of writing above could be easily extended into a complaint about Bush Derangement Syndrome or a witless lecture about imagined failures in black family organization.
Still having camera 'issues'?
Really, don't you know the priority is posting pics of the beasties?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins | 11.17.07 - 12:53 pm | #
Yes. And yes.
Sigh.
A judge in Saudi Arabia has ordered a victim of gang rape to receive 200 lashes - more than double her original sentence for being alone with a man who was not a relative - after she appealed against the lenient sentences given to the men who attacked her. He also jailed her for six months.
Our 'allies'.
Jesus.
NJ is one of the more progressive states and has many active civic organizations aimed at improving the quality of life for everyone.
What's the legal age in NC? Approbation would come with acting illegally.
However, the "why" of the matter as asked appears to come from a state of disconnect with what "most" people find interesting and connect with it emotionally.
What most people find interesting and connect with emotionally ought to be looked at critically, if you ask me. Disconnecting with it isn't a bad way to start.
A lot of people connect emotionally with the idea of rallying 'round the president once he starts carpet bombing foreign cities, too. As I never tire of arguing, entimentality and brutality go hand in hand.
its not illegal to drink alcohol.
its illegal to buy it.
As I never tire of arguing, entimentality and brutality go hand in hand.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:55 pm | #
Hoom.
Damn those dirty ents!
The point being, when a house burns down, look to the landlord first.
The Landlord's here to visit
They're blasting disco down below
Sez, "I'm doubling up the rent
Cos the building's condemned
You're gonna help me buy City Hall"
But we can, you know we can
But we can, you know we can
Let's lynch the landlord man
There's rats chewin' up the kitchen
Roaches up to my knees
Turn the oven on, it smells like Dachau, yeah
Til the rain pours thru the ceiling
But we can, you know we can
Let's lynch the landlord man
its not illegal to drink alcohol.
its illegal to buy it.
euphronius | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:56 pm | #
Um, no. Possession is illegal.
its not illegal to drink alcohol.
Underage consumption?
You've perfectly captured that smug and dismissive tone of a certain type of winger prose. This bit of writing above could be easily extended into a complaint about Bush Derangement Syndrome or a witless lecture about imagined failures in black family organization.
rootless-e | 11.17.07 - 12:54 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
The "Duncan" bit helps a lot, in that regard.
Putting Atrios in quotes is also acceptable.
So why didn't that 7th kid get a drink? What a rotten bunch!
They should have gotten on MySpace and play like a 16 year old boy with a crush just to be mean.
see http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
possession is illegal? how stupid.
Surprise! Michael Gerson, author of Heroic Conservatism is a drunk on GOP kool-aid,
bona fide twit.
entimentality and brutality go hand in hand.
Let's not be hasty...
Damn those dirty ents!
rorschach | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:56 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
I meant to say "entomology," of course.
Ought not to be allowed!
6 students escaped from the house. What were their BAC levels?
I meant to say "entomology," of course.
Ought not to be allowed!
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:58 pm | #
Now you're starting to bug me.
its not illegal to drink alcohol.
its illegal to buy it.
euphronius
The exact language in each state varies.
But when I grew up in Alabama, "purchase, possess or consume" was the verbiage.
beaujoulais
tweedles
Fixed your typo.
(Hey, it's actually true for once.)
Is it out then?
Heroic Conservatism
Ain't no such thing.
6 students escaped from the house. What were their BAC levels?
I thought just 1 got out. Or are we talking about different burning houses?
rootless-e, you must have heard Geo Will hold forth about the evils of our country being due to failing to have dinner together as a family? surely.
Is it out then?
Le Jackel
Last Tuesday, wasn't it? I don't really follow it, but I do remember hearing that it's out.
Ain't no such thing.
Agreed, Projected Vaporware would have been a much more apt title.
I thought just 1 got out. Or are we talking about different burning houses?
Nope. Same house. Maybe you are thinking of the one that jumped into a waterway to escape. But five others walked out.
beaujolais is out. you know, it's sort of 3.2 wine (grew up in uhia, aka Ohio), but it's fun once a year.
well a "consumption" law is stupid. i see no moral imperative in following it.
I thought that George Will's greatest concern was the "Latinoizing" of Major League Baseball...
The "Duncan" bit helps a lot, in that regard.
Putting Atrios in quotes is also acceptable.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:57 pm | #
You're right, of course. That prose style seems to me to be associated with a certain class of wanna-be winger "intellectuals" - often ones who feel that they have been unfairly relegated to the margins.
but I once did a story on a slum lord who nearly lost a house full of frat boys cuz the place was a fire trap
I think I read that story. I was drunk at the time. At Duffy's.
Our 'allies'.
Jesus.
billy b - going to a-go-go | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:55 pm | #
The wingnuts are screaming about how the left isn't screaming about this.
You know -- rank hypocrisy....
The liquor store opens in a few minutes. I'm going to go.
well a "consumption" law is stupid. i see no moral imperative in following it.
euphronius
That's because you don't have a Baptist preacher breathing fire down your neck about the evils of "Demon Alcohol."
plantsman,
Y'all have municipal liquor stores out there?
Still having camera 'issues'?
Really, don't you know the priority is posting pics of the beasties?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins | 11.17.07 - 12:53 pm | #
Yes. And yes.
Sigh.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:54 pm |
Do I have to go up there and look for the USB cord?
zap - depends on the audience. In serious co. he wants the family dinnering.
Now you're starting to bug me.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 12:59 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Well, let your feelings out. Don't beetle 'em up inside.
well a "consumption" law is stupid. i see no moral imperative in following it.
So a Saudi woman consuming alcohol while driving a non-relative at high speeds would probably be in a lot of trouble? It's again worth pointing out that women in Iraq had more rights than those in Saudi Arabia. Saddam may have been a butcher, but his society was not buried as much in the dark ages.
Oregon Liquor Control Commision; high prices, lousy hours. Washington State is worse.
Oh, Chuy!
ARTEMUS GORDON IS PRETENDING TO BE MANGUS COLORADO AND CHUCK CONNORS IS PRETENDING TO BE GERONIMO, ON MY TEEBEE NOW.
Oooooooooooooooooh, make it stop, make it stop!
Just in case there was any doubt that the pundits secretly want to see Hillary gang raped at one of these debates, here was John Roberts revealing more about himself than he realized:
JOHN ROBERTS, CNN ANCHOR Well, it will be interesting to watch how John Edwards and Barack Obama comport themselves tonight.
They know that there's a crack in Hillary Clinton's suit of armor. Can they get inside there and wedge it open just a little bit more?
rootless-e, you must have heard Geo Will hold forth about the evils of our country being due to failing to have dinner together as a family? surely.
Ruth | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:01 pm | #
Yeah. But I think that for true winger prose, you need to be attempting Buckley while seething in resentment.
I've heard about the lack of dining together as a family from multiple sources by now. Me, I grew up in the Fabulous Fifties, and had dinner every night with my father, who was drunk and got into screaming fights with my sister, or who rapped my knuckles smartly with a pepper shaker from time to time, while my mother sat quietly, later saying something to the effect that my father wasn't really drunk, and my highly intelligent, verbal brother sat mute behind ever-firmer defenses.
Good times. Families work, or don't work, in all manner of ways. But to judge them by the acuracy with which they reflect a Norman Rockwell painting isn't mature or thoughtful; it's an act of nostalgia for a fantasy.
The wingnuts are screaming about how the left isn't screaming about this.
You know -- rank hypocrisy....
steve simels | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:02 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Heard just about every AAR host talking about it over the last two days. Which means the meme is coming direct from Soros himself.
Anybody listen to that ex-cokefreak Larry Kudlow this morning?
He was talking about McCain/Feingold and he said "I don't want government regulating elections. Hell, I don't want government regulating anything."
He actually said "anything."
Then, he said that he prefers politicians to be people of faith, because theyhave better morals and thus set a better example than than atheists.
Swear to god, I almost took a hostage...
Whoops. Here's the link, with photos.
Moe Szyslak
Ha! I had a run in with that Asshole, Ken Reimers. Of course, he's a deeply devout Christian.
Well, let your feelings out. Don't beetle 'em up inside.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:05 pm | #
I ant even gonna respond to that.
Do I have to go up there and look for the USB cord?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins | 11.17.07 - 1:04 pm | #
Yes, yes you do.
my sister, TG host, let slip she was planning to go with instant stuffing and mashed potatoes.
well that led to a lot phone calls and negotiations thta took up most of the late morning, lol.
I think I read that story. I was drunk at the time. At Duffy's.
Tyrone Shoelaces
Well, I was certainly drunk when I wrote it, and also at Duffy's.
They know that there's a crack in Hillary Clinton's suit of armor. Can they get inside there and wedge it open just a little bit more?
Newton Minnow | 11.17.07 - 1:05 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
If so, it could give Biden an opportunity to jerk off on her tits.
Oregon Liquor Control Commision; high prices, lousy hours.
We got both of those here, too. Some suburbs have the municipal bit, tho.
No Sundays. Close at eight during the week. Not even wine in the grocery store.
Actuall Fox News headline today:
"Gas Prices Up 39% Since Dems Picked Nancy Pelosi."
Apparently a scab comedy writer is working for Ailes....
A public service announcement: Bamboo floors and socks are a dangerous combination.
Dang. I'm in the middle of some adequate composition. I hadn't realized the nb was out. Oh well, it will probably improve my writing.
rootless-e, impossible to imitate Buckley without a large stick up your anus. And most prefer to avoid the discomfort.
ProfW, I think we're related, huh?
Ah, they caved on Sundays a year or so back -- it makes memories of Liquor Barn in California seem like Candyland.
A public service announcement: Bamboo floors and socks are a dangerous combination.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:09 pm | #
As are several beers and the notion that a bartop is a dance floor.
Prof Wombat,
I guess George W. never read the first sentence of Anna Karenina.
Swear to god, I almost took a hostage...
simels,
You keep threatening to do so. Back up your words, already!
steve: that's priceless; sometimes you can't make this stuff up.
How about '800 Soldiers Die Since Democrats Gain Control of Congress'?
On second thought, hell, yeah, how about that?
"Gas Prices Up 39% Since Dems Picked Nancy Pelosi."
The first post hoc ergo propter hoc of the day, and it's a beaut!
How was Beowulf ? Was it in 3-D?
They know that there's a crack in Hillary Clinton's suit of armor. Can they get inside there and wedge it open just a little bit more?
Roberts is pissed 'cause he expected to get Rather's job. Now he's turned against all women.
"Gas Prices Up 39% Since Dems Picked Nancy Pelosi."
The first post hoc ergo propter hoc of the day, and it's a beaut!
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:11 pm | #
Did you know that the use of mechanical pencils has gone up 129% since we banned prayer in public schools?
Think about it.
Goddamn. I really screwed myself up...fell right onto my wrist.
Not what I need today.
Swear to god, I almost took a hostage...
NYC police report that Larry Kudlow has been kidnapped. He is being held in an upper west side communist bar by a long time music critic who keeps asking the police negotiator how to get some mp3 files onto his iPod.
'I know there are some happy families that got their things together, and we're proud of them. But some, y'know, don't meet the benchmarks and got their troubles, and help them, I'd like to do that, but there's only so much we can do.'
The ransom for Zap, hostage, is what, exactly?
rootless-e, you must have heard Geo Will hold forth about the evils of our country being due to failing to have dinner together as a family? surely.
Ruth |
Uh-huh. So he imagines that his several ex-wives who loathe him, actively, his assorted offspring, who loathe him, actively and who else will sit at table with him?
Talk about ghastly meals.
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If I Even think about Larry Kudlow I wanna beat his head with a clof club.
Actuall Fox News headline today:
"Gas Prices Up 39% Since Dems Picked Nancy Pelosi."
Apparently a scab comedy writer is working for Ailes....
steve simels | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:08 pm | #
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2.4 million Americans die every year. Ergo, I suggest this headline For Olberguy:
"89 Million Americans dead since Ronald Reagan became president".
There was a brief moment of insight in the 1960s, where it was widely seen that something was utterly fucked up in all the traditional social structures of 1950s USA. We were all going to be happier in the commune after America was greened.
Now we live in an era of sentimental allegiance to those structures, even though they've been crushed, by capitalism, not by revolution.
On second thought, hell, yeah, how about that?
ProfWombat | 11.17.07 - 1:11 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
I prefer "America's dependence on foreign oil increases 800% after Ronald Reagan scraps Carter's energy plan."
YES!!!
Urban designers: Minneapolis should dump their skyways.
If you don't know what skyways are, take a look at the link.
rors, it's a sure sign of pencil satan worship.
Um, golf club.
The ransom for Zap, hostage, is what, exactly?
Elitist chardonnay, of course!
Urban designers: Minneapolis should dump their skyways.
Yea, they're ugly. But, damn it's cold there. Maybe they should build a dome over the city.
rors, it's a sure sign of pencil satan worship.
Ruth | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:15 pm | #
Thank you. I'm glad someone besides me has finally seen the truth!
Sorry - I must go finish flaying this pumpkin. Enjoy ur good selves.
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Yes, I'm sure Minneapolis residents can't wait to be out in the elements all winter.
There's actually something to eating together communally adding to social cohesion. But with plastic food, and plastic families, what's the point?
Urban designers: Minneapolis should dump their skyways.
I love the Skyway system. Duluth's, too.
How about '800 Soldiers Die Since Democrats Gain Control of Congress'?
On second thought, hell, yeah, how about that?
ProfWombat | 11.17.07 - 1:11 pm | #
Got to keep that goddamn powder dry.
2.5 million children have died of SIDS since Spandau Ballet released their first album.
You can't argue with statistics.
If you don't know what skyways are, take a look at the link.
Montreal has a nice mix of sidewalk traffic and underground connections of shops and such.
Yea, they're ugly. But, damn it's cold there. Maybe they should build a dome over the city.
No colder than Chicago, really.
Other cold cities have an active outdoor pedestrian life. Why can't we, dammit?
GWPDA, no, no, everyone ELSE should have dinner together - he's having cocktail weenies.
Phila: jeez, I rant about that one at least daily. Has there been a better example of a prophet without honor than Carter on energy, or a greater lost opportunity to advance American security interests, rationalize world affairs, protect the environment, and even make money than Carter's idea to make energy independence the moral equivalent of war?
2.5 million children have died of SIDS since Spandau Ballet released their first album.
TRUE!
2.5 million children have died of SIDS since Spandau Ballet released their first album.
You can't argue with statistics.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:17 pm | #
Literally millions of people have died since Darwin published Origin of the Species.
All the buildings at U of Minn are connected underground, which is sensible. Same in Toronto: you can walk from one end of the financial district to the other underground.
Making a roast today. I lurve me roasts.
NYC police report that Larry Kudlow has been kidnapped. He is being held in an upper west side communist bar by a long time music critic who keeps asking the police negotiator how to get some mp3 files onto his iPod.
spinoza
How was Beowulf ? Was it in 3-D?
plantsman, bulbalicious | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:11 pm | #
I saw the 2D version...the only Imax 3D I ever saw was Superman Returns, and I literally got nauseous. It was TOO realistic.
Beowulf sucks, btw. Not quite as nutty as 300, but close. And the CGI effects are creepy, but not in the way they intended -- all the characters are dead in the eyes or look hydrocephalic. Including Angelina...
I'll keep the Chardonnay, have a nice stay, Zap.
You and me rors, we unnnerstand.
Trono, too.
Same in Toronto: you can walk from one end of the financial district to the other underground.
Moe Szyslak
I tend to get stuck at the Royal York and just go ahead and have a nice cup of tea.
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All the buildings at U of Minn are connected underground, which is sensible.
Makes sense for a college. But when you're trying to keep your downtown economically viable, skyways don't work.
Ebert really really hated Beowolf.
There have been no Al Qaeda attacks on American soil since I quit smoking in October of 2001.
Argue with that, wingnuts!!!!
Actually, what with the subway, and the buses and streetcars going into the subway terminals, you can get pretty much anywhere in Toronto without going outside.
Other cold cities have an active outdoor pedestrian life. Why can't we, dammit?
Zap Rowsdower
Cause, it ain't the weather - yer all descendents of of taciturn Scandinavians, ya big dummy!
trifecta, is that with popovers?
Moe, is that an invitation for us all to come to dnner then?
Zap just wants to know where all the lutheran hookers are.
Moe, is that an invitation for us all to come to dnner then?
Ruth
I'll set an extra place.
Cause, it ain't the weather - yer all descendents of of taciturn Scandinavians, ya big dummy!
jac
jac Johnson is right. U people just can't expect to maintain the kind of giddy public lives that Glaswegian Scots attain, or the frenzied social calendar of Norwegians. C'mon - when was the last time one of you people spoke to anyone other than ur hunting dogs?
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There was a brief moment of insight in the 1960s, where it was widely seen that something was utterly fucked up in all the traditional social structures of 1950s USA.
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The '50's reached a state of repressiveness so complete that no one dared point out the absurdity of naming a sitcom character "Beaver Cleaver".
...plus, it's probably "unbearably" cold here maybe thirty days out of the year.
Minneapolis built its skyway system to try and compete with the malls that were going up in the suburbs. They lost that fight long ago. It's time that they tried to be a little more unique.
There's actually something to eating together communally adding to social cohesion. But with plastic food, and plastic families, what's the point?
Interesting place just opened in Georgetown; I've been wanting to check it out. It's called le Pain Quotidien and it's a bakery/cafe with a communal table.
Tweety was going off about the 9/11 hijackers having drivers licenses and how that was like illegal aliens having licenses, but swear I remember hearing that most of the 9/11 guys were here legally originally and got licenses then.
It's time that they tried to be a little more unique.
Zap Rowsdower
A dome, I'm telling ya.
Zap just wants to know where all the lutheran hookers are.
They're all at the pot luck!
Phila: jeez, I rant about that one at least daily. Has there been a better example of a prophet without honor than Carter on energy, or a greater lost opportunity to advance American security interests, rationalize world affairs, protect the environment, and even make money than Carter's idea to make energy independence the moral equivalent of war?
ProfWombat | 11.17.07 - 1:18 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
"The seventh principle is that prices should generally reflect the true replacement costs of energy. We are only cheating ourselves if we make energy artificially cheap and use more than we can really afford."
History's greatest monster!
steve, the wingnuts will just tell us that all those attacks are being kept from the public to protect us. and are buried in the sand in Syria.
Yes, I have to get back to cleaning up the kitchen. Pls don't be so diverting. You ruin my good intentions.
And myspace attacks on the kids next door!! see http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
There's actually something to eating together communally adding to social cohesion. But with plastic food, and plastic families, what's the point?
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:17 pm | #
Well, might I suggest a really good wine? That'll add to the cohesion. Just tell them it's non-alcohol mimosas.
It's called le Pain Quotidien and it's a bakery/cafe with a communal table.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Great. Now perfect strangers can get their mitts all over the last croissant.
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Literally millions of people have died since Darwin published Origin of the Species.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:19 pm | #
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No one alive when he published it survived.
A dome, I'm telling ya.
They proposed that back in the 80s. Fell through.
There was a brief moment of insight in the 1960s, where it was widely seen that something was utterly fucked up in all the traditional social structures of 1950s USA.
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The '50's reached a state of repressiveness so complete that no one dared point out the absurdity of naming a sitcom character "Beaver Cleaver".
Newton Minnow | 11.17.07 - 1:24 pm | #
Oh, hell, 1950s America had all manner of people calling bullshit on the state of postwar society and culture, from Riesman to Miller to Mailer to Kerouac to Burroughs.
"I don't even understand why this is news."
Forbes.com is a readers drawing commercial enterprise. The higher the audience the more income from advertising.
Huffington Post does a similar strategy. It lures audiences with stories outside politics.
Now, that was really easy. It is pathetic that I am explaining this to an Economics academic grad degreed media critic.
Great. Now perfect strangers can get their mitts all over the last croissant.
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GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:26 pm | #
2cd amendment is your friend.
Ebert really really hated Beowolf.
trifecta | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:21 pm | #
More anti-Mayan bigotry.
You people make me sick!!!!
The '50's reached a state of repressiveness so complete that no one dared point out the absurdity of naming a sitcom character "Beaver Cleaver".
Newton Minnow | 11.17.07 - 1:24 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
And yet, progressive and artistic resistance was in many ways more daring and effective than anything we see today. So who's more repressed, really?
Oh, and Michael Gerson says we should use more coal, too.
"The seventh principle is that prices should generally reflect the true replacement costs of energy. We are only cheating ourselves if we make energy artificially cheap and use more than we can really afford."
The one things corporations want to avoid is any payment of true costs. There was a NYr article a few weeks back. The government gave 1 billion dollars to the big three automakers starting in 1993 to double the efficiency of cars. Bush cancelled the plan. The efficiency of cars is the same as in 1993. In fact, Ford's Model T got better gas mileage. Now, where is that 1 billion?
Minneapolis built its skyway system to try and compete with the malls that were going up in the suburbs. They lost that fight long ago. It's time that they tried to be a little more unique.
Zap Rowsdower
Being serious for a moment: if you've got street-level retail, and enough density, you'll have a vibrant street life, skyways or no.
Atlanta has a few skyways between buildings in the Merchandise Mart (which exist to speed up the trip from the 30th floor of one building to the other). But the big challenge to a vibrant street life are:
a: single-purpose buildings
b: long expanses of blank wall along the sidewalk (where shops and restaurants should be)
c: low residential density
Fix those things and you can have everything.
I thought HuffPo was all about the viral ads?
World Death Rates remain constant at 100 percent since beginning of recorded history!!!!
And yet, progressive and artistic resistance was in many ways more daring and effective than anything we see today. So who's more repressed, really?
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:28 pm | #
Dude, compare Russian arts and literature in the 1970s to today. Repression creates great art. Seems like gangster capitalism does not.
I'm going to my wingnut sister's house in a couple of hours for early Thanksgiving.
Wish me luck.
Fix those things and you can have everything.
Except water.
Now, that was really easy. It is pathetic that I am explaining this to an Economics academic grad degreed media critic.
It is pathetic you are having an ongoing conversation with a comment written an hour ago.
i used to go to pain quotidien in brussels. great place.
Except water.
*cough*cityoflakes*cough*
You could solve the skyway problem if you gave everybody jet packs. Where is my fucking jet pack?
Except water.
plantsman
It's lovely here today - not a cloud in sight
World Death Rates remain constant at 100 percent since beginning of recorded history!!!!
We don't know Amelia Earhart is dead!!!
I spent a year in Minneaplois, chasing a woman. It was a nice place. She wasn't.
Oh, hell, 1950s America had all manner of people calling bullshit on the state of postwar society and culture, from Riesman to Miller to Mailer to Kerouac to Burroughs.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:26 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
I owe you a beverage.
I wonder how many newspapers would run Pogo today? And don't even get me started on movies like "To the Victor" and "The White Mountain."
the only Imax 3D I ever saw was Superman Returns, and I literally got nauseous. It was TOO realistic.
Saw one of those "under the sea" 3D Imax documentaries a few years back... it was pretty cool.
And the end of the most recent "Harry Potter"...
Oh, hell, 1950s America had all manner of people calling bullshit on the state of postwar society and culture, from Riesman to Miller to Mailer to Kerouac to Burroughs.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:26 pm | #
I dunno. In retrospect, all the white guys you name are in some basic ways very reactionary.
More anti-Mayan bigotry.
You people make me sick!!!!
mel gibson | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:27 pm | #
Actually, Mr. Gibson was endeavouring to relate a creation history as faithfully as he could.
Post-Debate Questions [Bill Bennett]
Why is everyone saying Hillary Clinton's performance was so boffo and her answer on licenses to illegals — "No" — was so cool when it directly contradicted her answer earlier this month? This is what Kerry did — in favor before he was opposed — that we flogged him for for the duration of the campaign.
Why isn't this an anchor?
And why right now aren't Republican candidates shouting about immigration from the rooftops and putting Dems in a box?
Your fat ass is an anchor that should be flogged through the fleet.
World Death Rates remain constant at 100 percent since beginning of recorded history!!!!
We don't know Amelia Earhart is dead!!!
Or Jesus if you believe some lunatic writings.
I spent a year in Minneaplois, chasing a woman. It was a nice place. She wasn't.
Moe Szyslak
I wouldn't waste my time chasing a nice girl, either.
If there was a Residential Fire Sprinkler system in that house, those kids would have lived to drink another day. The house would have housed beach parties another day.
There are powerful interests in the construction industry that resist requiring sprinklers,on an Aforability" argument, and love to demonize victims to justify the carnage they allow by resisting new codes.
Average cost of a residential system?
About the same as cheap carpet, which, by the way relesaes toxic gas when it burns.
Death by fire is preventable, and should be unacceptable.
The one things corporations want to avoid is any payment of true costs.
Double-hulled tankers? Too expensive!
I prefer "America's dependence on foreign oil increases 800% after Ronald Reagan scraps Carter's energy plan."
If they'd been trailer trash or ghetto kids, this would be a big deal. Instead, they're college kids from wealthy suburbs whose daddies have good lawyers.
I spent a year in Minneapolis, chasing a woman. It was a nice place. She wasn't.
That's the way it always is here.
Don't know how I got married.
From the Politico just now:
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) took the rare step of issuing a statement in his own name on Saturday to call attention to a report by columnist Robert D. Novak that New York Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign is sitting on “scandalous” information about Obama.
The information was not described and there is no proof it exists.
Obama accused Clinton of “Swift boat’ politics” and vowed he will not be intimidated.
Novakula needs attention again.
Once I hooked down a whole lotta brews at a kegger and then barfed in the bushes outside my dorm.
But since that was back in 1968 it only made the back page of the Style section.
i used to go to pain quotidien in brussels. great place.
Atrios
So - did you divide up the last croissant with the stranger to your left or grab it and run?
Listen, those community table thingies - I had too much experience eating with the Basques in Bakersfield like that. You sit down to a perfectly respectable person and the next thing you know, somebody's doing a boarding house reach to grab the bowl of mutton stew out of your hand and that's the end of the good dinner you thought you were going to have. All that's left are the dried out mashed potatoes and there's no gravy.
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Why Rudy is the scariest of the Republican candidates (courtesy of Greenwald).
From Richard Hofstadter, several decades ago:
The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms -- he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning point. Like religious millenialists he expresses the anxiety of those who are living through the last days and he is sometimes disposed to set a date for the apocalypse. ("Time is running out," said [John Birch Society founder Robert] Welch in 1951. "Evidence is piling up on many sides and from many sources that October 1952 is the fatal month when Stalin will attack"). . . .
He does not see social conflict as something to be mediated and compromised, in the manner of the working politician. Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish.
Death by fire is preventable, and should be unacceptable.
Flint,Employed
That's the spirit.
That's "affordability".
Sorry, Rumpulmintze, late night.
Listen, those community table thingies - I had too much experience eating with the Basques in Bakersfield like that.
GWPDA
I thought you had sharper elbows than that.
Damn slanties.
Reagan's thugs took out Carter's initiatives with unabashed glee.
I spent a year in Minneapolis, chasing a woman. It was a nice place. She wasn't.
That's the way it always is here.
Don't know how I got married.
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:33 pm | #
Bitch gave me the clap. You're just as well off.
That last mel gibson post about Rudy was me.
I regret the error...
There used to be those "medieval feast" places, where everyone would get a brontosaurus leg and keg of mead.
Oh, hell, 1950s America had all manner of people calling bullshit on the state of postwar society and culture, from Riesman to Miller to Mailer to Kerouac to Burroughs.
rorschach | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:26 pm | #
I dunno. In retrospect, all the white guys you name are in some basic ways very reactionary.
rootless-e | 11.17.07 - 1:32 pm | #
All I asserted was that they called bullshit on 1950s society. Oh, and Ralph Ellison and Chester Himes and James Baldwin and Truman Capote and Gore Vidal and Jim Thompson.
I thought you had sharper elbows than that.
jac
They were all wearing sheepskins.
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Disclosure sheets.
That last mel gibson post about Rudy was me.
I regret the error...
steve simels
ANTI-SEMITE!
I wonder how many newspapers would run Pogo today? And don't even get me started on movies like "To the Victor" and "The White Mountain."
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 1:32 pm | #
Indeed.
(Although, truth be told, I'd love to get you started on movies such as these.)
Random tangent: Have you ever seen "The Return of Navajo Boy"? Made circa 1999, I believe.
they called bullshit on 1950s society. Oh, and Ralph Ellison and Chester Himes and James Baldwin and Truman Capote and Gore Vidal and Jim Thompson.
So did Davy Crockett and David "The Alvin Song" Seville. They were more subtle about it, though. You had to sort of read between the lines...
I dunno. In retrospect, all the white guys you name are in some basic ways very reactionary.
rootless-e | 11.17.07 - 1:32 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
True, but also somewhat beside the point given their context.
Where's our Brown v. Board of Education, or our Little Rock Nine?
Have Gun Will Travel trashed the dominant corporate capitalist culture by depicting the hero as a man in black who kills for money.
Strategic Air Command, starring Jimmy Stewart and June Allyson, initiated a serious critique by inadvertently satirizing the socalled "containment culture".
So did Davy Crockett and David "The Alvin Song" Seville. They were more subtle about it, though. You had to sort of read between the lines...
Bourgeois Liberal | 11.17.07 - 1:41 pm | #
deep!
And then, of course, there was Crusader Rabbit, the precursor to the series which created a revolutionary situation, Rocky & Bulwinkle.
Future historians will date the 60s from the fall TV season of 1959 and those of the Marxist persuasion will argue that it was no accident that Charles Van Doren spilled the beans about the quiz shows at that very same time.
College students! At the beach! Drinking!
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>>The blood-alcohol levels ranged from .16 percent to .29 percent
>>They weren't driving and there's no suggestion the drinking had anything to do with the fire.
Still, as a recovering alcoholic, I can say from personal experience that one's physical coordination and reaction response would be quite impaired at 0.16% and would only get worse at higher levels of concentration. And I think it safe to say that anyone could infer this from casual observation of people with those levels of blood-alcohol concentration.
I think you are all sad and need to get a life
They were too shitfaced to even stumble out of the blaze.
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