HULK SMASH!!!
Just in time?
Reeeeely?
Nothing like arriving just in time for a new thread!
I'm scared of NTodd.
I guess not.
What will NTodd do when the phone rings at 3am?
I don't know, but I bet it involves maple syrup.
he will look at the phone with his tragic compound eyes.
Hillary did win new york, but her opposition was beyond pathetic in both races.
I guess not.
Snarkworth
the extra eee's slowed you down.
The Daily Show's Jon Stewart tried to warn him in 2006, but John McCain didn't listen. Battered by all sides over his embrace of End Times Pastor John Hagee, John McCain is finally experiencing the blowback from his pandering visits to "crazy base world."
For details, see:
"Jon Stewart Warned McCain About 'Crazy Base World.'"
yo is me
For the reamining few Hilarista's here: The Confluence
I think jawbone posted it earlier.
Might I repeat from below:
Yeah you got yer dead cat and you got yer dead dog
On a moonlight night you got yer dead toad frog
Got yer dead rabbit and yer dead raccoon
The blood and the guts they're gonna make you swoon!
You got yer
Dead skunk in the middle of the road
Hillary did win new york, but her opposition was beyond pathetic in both races.
She is SO diabolical that way!
Hillary did win new york, but her opposition was beyond pathetic in both races.
leibniz♘☮ | 02.29.08 - 8:41 pm | #
to be fair, so was kerry's and gore's.
Wow. ChiDy's post about Comcast ...
This comment there kills me, though:
Gratifying to see Obama’s caucuses tactics taking over the private sector; overwhelm them with numbers.
Comcast is already postpartisan, new democracy. You can also call it the rule of the mobs.
Oh, fuck me ...
Hillary did win new york, but her opposition was beyond pathetic in both races.
leibniz♘☮
Not her fault that Rudy 911 didn't have the stones to take her on.
Oh, fuck me ...
Sinfonian, surf's up!
not even if i were a dead possum...
Hey sinfonian, I got my DFH sticker today. It's beyond awesome. Perhaps a link to the CafePress page would not be amiss?
So there is a story saying that the "liberal blogosphere" is stirring up the question of Panama John's status as a Natural Born Citizen.
But wasn't it actually the Freepers who were pushing this a couple months ago in an effort to derail him?
"he's got fucking compound eyes!
he'll grate you! and debate you!
he'll lie on the sill and hate you!
Not her fault that Rudy 911 didn't have the stones to take her on.
He was busy with Judith massaging his prostate.
Oh, Hagee's not so bad. He just thinks Russia was mentioned in the Bible and Jimmy Carter is the worst president evah.
/snark
Plus, he makes it fun to watch the radical Catholics and radical Christianists tear each other up. 
others did, but she took the cold and calculating step to further her career.
So did, for example, Edwards. But the magical apology juice apparently restored his deliberative ability and legitimacy as a candidate for the presidency.
But wasn't it actually the Freepers who were pushing this a couple months ago in an effort to derail him?
sdf (Stu), Dodd for Majority L
Yes, but as you know, the media is somewhat reality challenged, and the current narrative is that liberals are the root of all evil.
worth, i think, reposting
this is the reason hillary HAD to vote the way she did.
cite please?
sam | 02.29.08 - 8:19 pm | #
please let's remember that it was not, in fact, a vote to go to war. it was a vote to authorise bush to push for inspections, work with the u.n., and it mentioned military action if all other options were exhausted.
the plain fact is that hillary naively trusted bush to act honorably and follow the letter and spirit of the bill. she deserves to be criticised for being naive, using poor judgement, being influenced by the panic of the times - but - she did not "vote to go to war"
"what's the difference?" you say? i say, if we are going to condemn somebody to hell, it behooves us to get the facts straight
dammit
.
Hey sinfonian, I got my DFH sticker today. It's beyond awesome. Perhaps a link to the CafePress page would not be amiss?
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08
That's great! Glad you like it.
Folks can get the stickers here, or through the link at the homepage. 
I may have some for sale at Eschacon, too.
So did, for example, Edwards.
not kucinich, tho. he was the only pres candidate who actually voted against the atuf. just sayin.
please let's remember that it was not, in fact, a vote to go to war. it was a vote to authorise bush to push for inspections, work with the u.n., and it mentioned military action if all other options were exhausted.
the plain fact is that hillary naively trusted bush to act honorably and follow the letter and spirit of the bill. she deserves to be criticised for being naive, using poor judgement, but she did not "vote to go to war"
"what's the difference?" you say? i say, if we are going to condemn somebody to hell, it behooves us to get the facts straight
dammit
.
Tacitus Voltaire | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 8:42 pm | #
poor widdle hillary didn't know what she was doing. COMEDY GOLD!!!!!
I don't know. Would you hit this?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com...a- gomes_15.html
Any day of the week and twice on the Sabbath.
Why are they replaying the debate from Tuesday?
please let's remember that it was not, in fact, a vote to go to war. it was a vote to authorise bush to push for inspections,
only if you were fuckin brain dead. Every sane person in the world knew the deal. Why didn't Hillary? She was outsmarted by Bush? Not much of a qualification to be president.
"dammit
.
Tacitus Voltaire"
YES! Ding-Ding! Truth wins again!
not kucinich, tho. he was the only pres candidate who actually voted against the atuf. just sayin.
Yeah, Kucinich was right on, on the war. He's a craptastic organizer and campaigner, though.
"I'll never be outniggered again."
George Wallace
I think of this every time Hillary's votes on Iraq are mentioned. It's the same meme over and over again, in a slightly different form. Not the 'n' word, but being called weak on defense is the ultimate unpardonable sin in Washington, and if Obama thinks he's immune, he's smokin crack.
For the reamining few Hilarista's here: The Confluence
I think jawbone posted it earlier.
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08
I just looked at it.
To call it sexist bullshit would be the understatement of this still very young millenium.
I'm scared of NTodd.
I just hate to lose.
MikeJ,
It is my understanding that both Hiliary and Edwards were among those democrats that were not invited to the war room planning stage. The paperwork that was delivered to them said nothing about war like invasion.
the extra eee's slowed you down.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
True. But there have been times when running away and yelling, "eeeeeeeeeeeee!" have helped forestall trouble.
i dont think kucinich ever had a chance, mainly because the media didnt include him as a front runner.
To call it sexist bullshit would be the understatement of this still very young millenium.
Terry C - No More Repugs!
Really? Cite, please.
Every sane person in the world knew the deal. Why didn't Hillary?
again, for the same reason as kerry and edwards. the president of the united states looked them in the eye and promised. and they believed him.
stupidly, i know - i wouldn't have. but you don't get a much higher level of persuarion than that.
Comment by corner blocked.
It NEVER gets old!
Does THIS look natural born?
http://
punchup.files.wordpress.c...john_mccain.jpg
Hillary is a horrible politician because she attacks her opponents and is ambitious.
Politics isn't played that way!
Yeah, Kucinich was right on, on the war. He's a craptastic organizer and campaigner, though.
Bummer, that. If only we voted on, you know, issues, and not other shit.
The Splurge is Working, Comrades! Party and spend, Spend, SPEND like it's 1999!
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport...ives/
14742.html
For the first six years of his presidency, Bush followed a fairly predictable model when it came to appointments and key government posts. He would appoint an unqualified hack to run and/or oversee an important agency, congressional Republicans would approve said hack, and when the hack screwed up, a GOP-led Congress would balk at any oversight. The result, of course, was an ineffective and inefficient government bureaucracy that served no one (except, maybe, in the case of regulatory agencies, the Republican Party’s corporate benefactors).
It seemed like good news, then, when congressional Dems reclaimed the majority on the Hill, and told the White House that it was time to start picking capable, qualified officials for federal agencies. Not surprisingly, Bushies didn’t care for the idea, and refused to play along.
The result is an executive branch that’s even worse than before...
It is my understanding that both Hiliary and Edwards were among those democrats that were not invited to the war room planning stage.
I was an entire 20 miles away. Why did I figure it out and Hillary didn't?
the reamining few Hilarista's here
Is this meant to be an Obama supporters only zone?
Yeah, Kucinich was right on, on the war. He's a craptastic organizer and campaigner, though.
Godfrey Harold Hardy | 02.29.08 - 8:47 pm | #
hard to campaign in the 21 century when the tv cameras won't point at you. and he was (is) right on about a lot of other issues too.
i agree he never had a chance, because no one would ever vote for him. because he never had a chance. because no one would ...
oh, what's the use. my initial point was that being right on the war didn't exactly turn out to be the way to win the election.
ist Haloscan toast?
Does THIS look natural born?
http:// punchup.files.wordpress.c...john_mccain.jpg
Bjorn, needs a president
Looks as though Cindy was a little rough with that enema.
again, for the same reason as kerry and edwards. the president of the united states looked them in the eye and promised. and they believed him.
If edwards and kerry were in the elction, i'd vote against them. As it is, there atre only two pro war candidates still in it.
Is this meant to be an Obama supporters only zone?
You clearly understand this blog so well.
Looks as though Cindy was a little rough with that enema.
The enema of my enema is my friend.
If edwards and kerry were in the elction, i'd vote against them.
one of the many reasons i voted for kucinch. but i believe that gravel is still in the running. he's anti-war as well. so there ya go.
Hillary did win new york, but her opposition was beyond pathetic in both races.
Why is that, I wonder?
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/ar...ives/
012053.php
Fascinating! Obama tells reporters he doesn't read blogs.
And Hillary does!
only if you were fuckin brain dead. Every sane person in the world knew the deal. Why didn't Hillary? She was outsmarted by Bush? Not much of a qualification to be president.
MikeJ | 02.29.08 - 8:46 pm | #
whatever, it was still not a 'vote to go to war'
the difference between voting to go to war and the vote that she actually cast is that they are not the same
.
again, for the same reason as kerry and edwards. the president of the united states looked them in the eye and promised. and they believed him.
stupidly, i know - i wouldn't have. but you don't get a much higher level of persuarion than that.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Fucking haloscan.
I don't think they are so stupid as to believe anything Bush said, even at that early date.
Rather, it was a choice between going along with him, or being called weak on defense, which is just like being out-niggered.
It can't be allowed to happen in Washington.
Hillary is a horrible politician because she attacks her opponents and is ambitious.
Politics isn't played that way!
trifecta | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 8:50 pm | #
Nice straw man you got there!
Fuckity fuckity fuck haloscan.
Terry C I wish you'd go back and take a closer look at The Confluence. I think you missed the point.
If edwards and kerry were in the elction, i'd vote against them.
Oh, this is a new tact.
But Obama gets a pass, even though he's made noises about Pakistan.
Why am I grading? It's Friday night!
Oh, that's right. I'm way behind.
I was shocked -- shocked, I tell you -- to discover last night that revenue from Florida's proposed "Confederate Heritage" license plate would go to a hate group.
Just when you think it's not possible for things to be more absurd ...
Also, Haloscan blows goats. I have proof.
Haloscan won't let me inside the door for 10 minutes. Haloscan hates me.
Oh, this is a new tact.
No, tack.
Obama gets no pass. He wants to kill Osama bin Laden. So do I. Hillary wants to kill anybody brown because 9/11 happened in New York.
the plain fact is that hillary naively trusted bush to act honorably and follow the letter and spirit of the bill. she deserves to be criticised for being naive, using poor judgement, being influenced by the panic of the times - but - she did not "vote to go to war"
[..]
Tacitus Voltaire | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 8:44 pm | #
You think it's better for her to be a chump?
only if you were fuckin brain dead. Every sane person in the world knew the deal.
Every sane person wasn't in Congress, I guess.
Or maybe, we weren't sure soemthing wouldn't be found to justify the invasion.
Do you want to go back, if you could, and read the threads here at the time?
Everyone here had a qualifier in statements made.
If they find something...
only if you were fuckin brain dead. Every sane person in the world knew the deal. Why didn't Hillary? She was outsmarted by Bush? Not much of a qualification to be president.
MikeJ |
*
with so many HRC lovers here, I will only go so far as to say that she gets a fuckwad of the Jewish vote and the Jewish dollar from NY NJ And DE.
My sister and BIL: living examples.
Not that they are neocons but that the mid-Atlantic jews are organized and support her for her war-mongering promise.
mebbe I went too far. sorry for anyone's feelings here. It is my honest assessment of one of her most strident constituencies.
You think it's better for her to be a chump?
rootless-e, email-listed! | 02.29.08 - 9:04 pm | #
i really only want to get the facts straight
.
Yes, tack. Direction.
Cspan schedule.
11pm
Presidential candidate Ralph Nader.
Hillary wants to kill anybody brown because 9/11 happened in New York.
Wow. Just, wow.
Obama gets no pass. He wants to kill Osama bin Laden. So do I.
Right.
Hillary wants to kill anybody brown because 9/11 happened in New York.
Right.
Why am I grading? It's Friday night!
Oh, that's right. I'm way behind.
Ha! I'm actually ahead this semester, which has lead former students to ask if I'm feeling okay.
Now this is interesting:
A little something for the ladies
Joel Stein
February 29, 2008
You know how ladies, when they don't get what they want, can go a little crazy? Am I right, fellas? Right now, they're pretty upset about losing their first chance at a female president. This would have empowered little girls, shattered sexist beliefs about female incompetence and forced men around the world to view a woman as an agent of power instead of a sex object -- all of which, it turns out, are important to women even though they buy Star magazine. Ladies are complicated.
Because women do most of the voting, and the shopping and the TV watching and the book reading -- porn really must take up a lot of men's time -- they need to be placated. Which shouldn't be hard. You know how when your dog dies, your wife wants to get a puppy right away? That's what America has to do. We need a replacement Hillary.
Because while women are sad that Hillary Clinton seems poised to lose the Democratic nomination, they're even more dejected that there appear to be no women with enough political stature to run for president next time. That's why Barack Obama and John McCain need to pick female running mates. Either that or we're going to have to find some money in the federal budget for 150 million flower bouquets.
Imagine something similar written on race...
Not that they are neocons but that the mid-Atlantic jews are organized and support her for her war-mongering promise.
Link?
with so many HRC lovers here, I will only go so far as to say that she gets a fuckwad of the Jewish vote and the Jewish dollar from NY NJ And DE.
My sister and BIL: living examples.
Not that they are neocons but that the mid-Atlantic jews are organized and support her for her war-mongering promise.
mebbe I went too far. sorry for anyone's feelings here. It is my honest assessment of one of her most strident constituencies.
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:05 pm | #
i am a jew from NYC
.
As it is, there atre only two pro war candidates still in it.
MikeJ | 02.29.08 - 8:54 pm | #
oh, and ralph nader is running. he's also anti-war. will you be voting for him?
(and screw you, haloscan)
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/ar...ives/
012052.php
Damn. Obama will not rule out using private security companies such as Blackwater.
Hillary cosponsors legislation to ban use of private security forces. Obama will not sign on.
i really only want to get the facts straight
.
Tacitus Voltaire | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:08 pm | #
None of us know what went on in her head. I thought I was giving her the benefit of the doubt by seeing this as a mistaken moment of expediency rather than a genuine inability to see through Bush's obvious lies.
If she was really taken in by this, despite, for example, Senator Feingold's clear explication on the senate floor of what so many of us knew at the time, then she really should not be in public office.
Hillary wants to kill anybody brown because 9/11 happened in New York.
And Atrios devoted an entire thread to me simply because I posted a picture of Obama dressed in muslim garb. Unreal.
Hillary wants to kill anybody brown because 9/11 happened in New York.
I will admit that this was over-egging the pudding, but nancy and pie have said all day today that Clinton had to vote for the AUMF because 9/11 happened in NY. That was the only conclusion I could draw.
Either that or we're going to have to find some money in the federal budget for 150 million flower bouquets.
Don't bother your pretty little heads about it,guys.
“There’s a big difference between delivering a speech at an anti-war rally as a state senator and picking up that phone in the White House at 3 a.m. in the morning to deal with an international crisis,” Clinton said. “There’s a difference between making a speech when you have no responsibility and having to step up and take charge.”
and obama is BLACK!!!!!! BLACK AS NIGHT!!! AND A THIEF OF WORDS!!!
Play taps for haloscan.
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/ar...ives/
012053.php
Fascinating.
Report: Obama says he does not read blogs.
And Hillary does!
Not that they are neocons but that the mid-Atlantic jews are organized and support her for her war-mongering promise.
seriously, this just sticks in my craw
i think i can call this prejudice. pre-judging the opinions of a lot of people
.
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Thankee, Goddess, the previous thread has gone Satanic.
Hillary wants to kill anybody brown because 9/11 happened in New York.
What are you doing to get her out of the Senate? Anyone that bloodthirty and racist shouldn't be in government, obviously.
Imagine something similar written on race...
Stein wrote that?
Yes. He did.
Will a female vice president really satisfy women? Of course not. But what does? The point is that we'll be showing them we understand that their frustration is legitimate, and that we're hearing them, and that we're ready to listen. That stuff will totally buy us until November.
A male MoDo. Kewl.
Do you know any poor jews in America?
Play taps for haloscan.
{{{{{HBK}}}}} I believe Haloscan's song for the night to us is "Take This Comment And Shove It."
Not that they are neocons but that the mid-Atlantic jews are organized and support her for her war-mongering promise.
not true nancy. majority of NE jews are/were antiwar
Shit, Haloscan is pissing me off.
'mout. Catch you patriotz laterz.
with so many HRC lovers here, I will only go so far as to say that she gets a fuckwad of the Jewish vote and the Jewish dollar from NY NJ And DE.
My sister and BIL: living examples.
Not that they are neocons but that the mid-Atlantic jews are organized and support her for her war-mongering promise.
mebbe I went too far. sorry for anyone's feelings here. It is my honest assessment of one of her most strident constituencies.
Nancy Willing
Nancy, and I mean this sincerely: go fuck yourself.
It's not the Jews and it's just a fucking shame they are the bottom line for some people.
think i can call this prejudice. pre-judging the opinions of a lot of people
Not to worry, TV. They'll just find money in the budget for another 150 million flower bouquets.
Ah yes, us war-mongering Jews.
NEW YORK, Dec. 21 (JTA) -- Most American Jews disapprove of the war in Iraq and the way the United States is handling the campaign against terrorism, according to a new study.
The American Jewish Committee's annual Survey of American Jewish Opinion, released Wednesday, found that 70 percent of U.S. Jews disapprove of the Iraq war, with 28 percent backing it. Sixty percent of respondents said they did not support America's handling of the war on terror, while 36 percent approve.
That's just a slight change in U.S. Jewish views. In last year's AJCommittee study, 30 percent of respondents approved of the Iraq war and 66 percent disapproved. In that survey, 42 percent approved of the handling of the war on terror and 52 percent disapproved.
"Even on the eve of the war, fewer American Jews than other Americans were supportive of the prospect of going to war with Iraq," said David Harris, the AJCommittee's executive director. "As American public support has declined since 2003, Jewish support has been declining in step, but because it began at a lower level, it continues to remain at a lower level of support than other Americans."
Actually, Obama did realize there's a difference between making a speech against the Iraq War as a state senator and as a US senator. He said so in 2004.
‘When asked about Senators Kerry and Edwards' votes on the Iraq war, Obama said, "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,’ Mr. Obama said. ‘What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.’
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/ful...n=&
pagewanted=2
None of us know what went on in her head. I thought I was giving her the benefit of the doubt by seeing this as a mistaken moment of expediency rather than a genuine inability to see through Bush's obvious lies.
If she was really taken in by this, despite, for example, Senator Feingold's clear explication on the senate floor of what so many of us knew at the time, then she really should not be in public office.
rootless-e, email-listed! | 02.29.08 - 9:13 pm | #
i am not disagreeing with you, really, but it is a simple fact that to say "she voted for the war" is not accurate. that's all
.
Not that they are neocons but that the mid-Atlantic jews are organized and support her for her war-mongering promise.
mebbe I went too far. sorry for anyone's feelings here. It is my honest assessment of one of her most strident constituencies.
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:05 pm | #
Yet Gallup Polls show that American Jews are one of the most anti-war segments of the population.
Much to the displeasure of right wing israelis
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pag...listSrc=Y&
art=1
Do you know any poor jews in America?
ned
You're in bed with this guy now Nancy.
Don't come complaining later you didn't know.
"muslim garb"? i didnt know there was such a thing.
This could be such a great space for an edifying political discussion over a beer or glass of wine or whatever on a Friday night. Makes me miss Whiskey Bar, before its comments went the way of towel snapping rather than conversation.
.
"the plain fact is that hillary naively trusted bush to act honorably and follow the letter and spirit of the bill. "
then she was clearly naive again when she signed on to the iran resolution.
i'm getting tired of her naive-ness.
Do you know any poor jews in America?
Yup.
I don't think they are so stupid as to believe anything Bush said, even at that early date.
not Bush - the POTUS. and his administration. and the NSA. and the people who were speaking for the CIA and OSP.
remember, this was before he actually had the gall to mususe and abuse the military and intelligence agencies by invading a sovereign nation without cause. and they were SENATORS - imbued with the idea that the president was bound by the law. again, he didn't fool me, but then i was not a part of the system and he did not lie directly to my face, in person, in the office of the presidency. i don't agree with their vote, but it was NOT a vote to go to war, it was a vote to give the POTUS the means with wich to leverage us OUT of war.
yeah, it's not the same thing. a wrong stupid bad vote for which they should be held accountable or at the very least denounce and reject, but since no one will be voting for dennis or mike or even ralph, watcha gonna do? obama was not exactly in the streets of dc leading peace marches at the time.
Actually, Obama did realize there's a difference between making a speech against the Iraq War as a state senator and as a US senator. He said so in 2004.
‘When asked about Senators Kerry and Edwards' votes on the Iraq war, Obama said, "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,’ Mr. Obama said. ‘What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.’
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/ful...n=& pagewanted=2
jawbone | 02.29.08 - 9:18 pm | #
Yes, terrible Obama explains why an anti-war person like himself can support Kerry's candidacy.
"the plain fact is that hillary naively trusted bush to act honorably and follow the letter and spirit of the bill. "
then she was clearly naive again when she signed on to the iran resolution.
i'm getting tired of her naive-ness.
jdw
No. The plain fact is, you can't vote for peace in Washington.
It's been that way since the '50's.
They roll out the VFW and all the angry white men and destroy you.
Who will be assassinated first? Obama or Clinton?
I read a comment somewhere that Obama's healthcare plan does not have some of the requirements that Edwards' and Hillary's do: Requirements that insurance companies accept any applicant and that they cover preexisting conditions.
Obama supporters: Do you know if that is that correct?
Thnx.
http://www6.comcast.net/entertai...ple.Jolie.Iraq/
Yup.....Angie is as crazy as her looney tune father.
This could be such a great space for an edifying political discussion
Sorry.
It'll have to wait until this mess is over.
Or until some people get some manners.
dude, we all knew it was bullshit in august 2002. the whole thing was manifest bullshit. there is no excuse.
at
all
.
Who will be assassinated first? Obama or Clinton?
gold
Hopefully, YOU, jack.
i am not disagreeing with you, really, but it is a simple fact that to say "she voted for the war" is not accurate. that's all
.
Tacitus Voltaire | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:18 pm | #
So you'd prefer
"Either she voted for the war or she is incredibly and irresponsibly naive." ?
{{{{Silleigh}}}}}
Nancy Willing wrote that vile trash?
I don't believe it.
Terry, I've been out and about.
Any news?
Hillary cosponsors legislation to ban use of private security forces. Obama will not sign on.
jawbone
I heard something about that earlier. I hope he explains his reasoning, those guys are just abuse waiting to happen (again).
So, you think you've got a shitty job?
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This could be such a great space for an edifying political discussion
Still is.
Yes, terrible Obama explains why an anti-war person like himself can support Kerry's candidacy.
He's not anti-war, rootless.
He's anti-a-war that's proven to be a failed one.
"I read a comment somewhere that Obama's healthcare plan does not have some of the requirements that Edwards' and Hillary's do: Requirements that insurance companies accept any applicant and that they cover preexisting conditions."
even hrc didn't go that far in her health care propoganda mailers..
There was never any good reason to support Hillary.
The thing that bothers me is, if Obama wins, how damned disappointed his supporters are going to be. We're going to lose an entire generation's interest and belief in the ability of politics to make life better.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
His record is that of a moderate Republican.
Haloscan won't let me inside the door for 10 minutes. Haloscan hates me.
It's not about you, dear.
It's about Leibniz. It's his fault.
Bob Graham, no Dirty Fucking Hippy, had privilege to just about everything any Democrat could get their hands on. And he said, clearly and unequivocally, that he was unconvinced, and he voted against.
... which is just one of the reasons I continue to promote him as a dark horse VP candidate.
Another night of idiot's delight, I see. Not up for it. Goodnight to the good people. Piss on the idiot troll.
erootless--Why do you call Obama terrible for stating a rational position?
(Smiley emoticon--I get that you were putting me down for showing what Obama said in '04 differs from what he says now. That's just politics and he's a good politician. But, as he and Deval Patrick so eloquently point out, words matter.)
I read a comment somewhere that Obama's healthcare plan does not have some of the requirements that Edwards' and Hillary's do: Requirements that insurance companies accept any applicant and that they cover preexisting conditions.
Obama supporters: Do you know if that is that correct?
Thnx.
jawbone | 02.29.08 - 9:20 pm | #
Also, in the Obama plan, insurance companies won’t be allowed to deny people coverage or charge them higher premiums based on their medical history. Again, points for toughness.
Paul Krugman
http://select.nytimes.com/2007/0...gin&
oref=slogin
Blarsted Haloscan, plus a general whiff of crabbiness in the air, does drag things down. See everyone later.
it isnt hard. the compelte war was bullshit from the start. its not like it was a "close call".
Do you know any poor jews in America?
Jews Without Money. Michael Gold
Yiddish Speaking Socialists of the Lower East Side. Ed Sanders.
This country owes organized poor people a lot.
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He's not anti-war, rootless.
He's anti-a-war that's proven to be a failed one.
pie
Yep. Hindsight is 20/20.
He also voted everytime to continue the funding for the war.
Yet Gallup Polls show that American Jews are one of the most anti-war segments of the population.
rootless-e, email-listed! | 02.29.08 - 9:18 pm | #
thank you, landsman
racism never sleeps
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with so many HRC lovers here, I will only go so far as to say that she gets a fuckwad of the Jewish vote and the Jewish dollar from NY NJ And DE.
I'm Irish and English.
And I am NOT a Hillary "lover."
with so many HRC lovers here, I will only go so far as to say that she gets a fuckwad of the Jewish vote and the Jewish dollar from NY NJ And DE.
the majoirty of whom are anti iraq war.
Whenever I see comments reproduced from people I've killfiled, I'm filled with a sense of righteousness.
If only I could be so right about the Lotto numbers!
Obama or Hillary might have to go to war if the time comes. But I think they would both avoid it.
That's what matters to me. Not the other crap.
"A supervisor at a motivational coaching business in Provo is accused of waterboarding an employee in front of his sales team to demonstrate that they should work as hard on sales as the employee had worked to breathe. "
if i was this person, i would make damn sure that by the end of the lawsuit, this dipshit boss wouldn't have a shirt left on his back.
Hillary wants to kill anybody brown because 9/11 happened in New York.
Wow. Just, wow.
Silleigh
Jeezus Chripes on iceskates.
There aren't many jews in Ohio and Texas.
The thing that bothers me is, if Obama wins, how damned disappointed his supporters are going to be. We're going to lose an entire generation's interest and belief in the ability of politics to make life better.
So what are you going to do to prevent such disenchantment should Obama likely win?
He also voted everytime to continue the funding for the war.
You will NEVER get an Obamaite to admit that.
It. Won't. Happen.
this woman on what not to wear is going to clean up into a babe..
Yep. Hindsight is 20/20.
He also voted everytime to continue the funding for the war.
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08 | 02.29.08 - 9:24 pm | #
You guys are so smart that you know what Obama would have done if he was Senator.
I only know that he spoke against the war as a candidate for President and she voted for AUMF, against the Levin resolution, and then never spoke against the war until the election started.
I just have to stick to what happens, not what would have happened in alternative histories.
with so many HRC lovers here, I will only go so far as to say that she gets a fuckwad of the Jewish vote and the Jewish dollar from NY NJ And DE.
This can't be coming from a rational Atriot.
He also voted everytime to continue the funding for the war.
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08 | 02.29.08 - 9:24 pm | #
i really don't unbderstand, with all this strong anti-war emotion driving our politics, that dennis is not the front-runner.
something doesn't add up. methinks some people protest too much - and others, not enough.
on that, goodnight.
with so many HRC lovers here, I will only go so far as to say that she gets a fuckwad of the Jewish vote and the Jewish dollar from NY NJ And DE.
I'm Irish and English.
And I am NOT a Hillary "lover."
Terry C - No More Repugs!
I can't even tell what your comment is supposed to mean. Are you associating Hillary with those awful Joos? Or are you saying the Joos are ok and so is Hillary?
This could be such a great space for an edifying political discussion
Still is. NTodd
Or would be, if you didn't say fuck so much.
He's not anti-war, rootless.
He's anti-a-war that's proven to be a failed one.
pie
I see him as a realist idealist. I like what he says about changing the mind set that got us into this war. But he also acknowledges the world we live in and that there can be conditions in which some form of military action becomes necessary.
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You guys are so smart that you know what Obama would have done if he was Senator.
Conversely, you're so smart that you know what he wouldn't have done.
I think we should all give up. Over at Red State Ben Domenech says John McCain is an unstoppable juggernaut. How could we have been so foolish as to even bother contesting this election? Let's all just surrender now.
So what are you going to do to prevent such disenchantment should Obama likely win?
Well, in my case, since I'm not the one with such an outlandishly unrealistic view of a mainstream politician - not a fucking thing.
Maybe shake my head and chuckle under my breath?
I only know that he spoke against the war as a candidate for President ... and then never spoke against the war until the election started.
er, ummm ....
with so many HRC lovers here, I will only go so far as to say that she gets a fuckwad of the Jewish vote and the Jewish dollar from NY NJ And DE.
You can stop right there, thanks.
isn't is fascinating that we now have a woman and an African American vying for the Democratic nomination, and yet we still have to deal with "Jewish" this and "Jewish" that, like we're some sort of borg.
I'm Jewish. I'll vote for either of them.
So you'd prefer
"Either she voted for the war or she is incredibly and irresponsibly naive." ?
rootless-e, email-listed! | 02.29.08 - 9:21 pm | #
i didn't say i approved of it, and i am not a hillary supporter (i am a supporter of the democrat who wins the nomination, not a partisan of hillary or obama specifically)
i am in favor of democrats debating using truthful statements
she did not "vote for the war", and at no time has she made any statement that would state or imply that she is, or ever was, in favor of the iraq war
the rest is commentary
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A little something for the ladies
Joel Stein
Sexist fuck.
Everybody loses interest after elections is over, even the people in power. Look what happened to the dem congress.
So what are you going to do to prevent such disenchantment should Obama likely win?
NTodd, Änti-VNF
I really don't know. Got any suggestions?
Over at Red State Ben Domenech says John McCain is an unstoppable juggernaut
Who did he copy that from?
This could be such a great space for an edifying political discussion
over a beer or glass of wine or whatever on a Friday night. Makes me
miss Whiskey Bar, before its comments went the way of towel snapping
rather than conversation. Sparkle Plenty
What an amazing comments section. I esp. enjoyed the poster 'remembering giap'.
He's anti-a-war that's proven to be a failed one.
pie
what war is that? Last I checked we're winning in Iraq these days.
I like what he says about changing the mind set that got us into this war. But he also acknowledges the world we live in and that there can be conditions in which some form of military action becomes necessary.
I'm a realistic idealist, too.
Maybe shake my head and chuckle under my breath?
Mussolini did that. Fascist!
Not that they are neocons but that the mid-Atlantic jews are organized and support her for her war-mongering promise.
No, we aren't, and no, we don't.
Conversely, you're so smart that you know what he wouldn't have done.
pie | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:28 pm | #
Nah, I just gotta go by what he actually did. Maybe he's such a putz that he would have buckled and voted for the war, but you might as well claim that someone who robbed the liquor store is innocent because someone else would have done the same thing in the same circumstances.
Over at Red State Ben Domenech says John McCain is an unstoppable juggernaut.
Really?
Who did he plagiarize THAT from?
I think we should all give up. Over at Red State Ben Domenech says John McCain is an unstoppable juggernaut. How could we have been so foolish as to even bother contesting this election? Let's all just surrender now.
Thers
I wonder who he plagiarized his article from.
what war is that? Last I checked we're winning in Iraq these days.
pud
oh, fuck, it isn't bad enough in here, now this worthless piece of shit has to chime in?
that's it, i'm out for real.
Sexist fuck.
No, really. He's an male MoDo.
Terry C gets a beverage of choice.
Obama or Hillary might have to go to war if the time comes. But I think they would both avoid it.
This is what sends deep fear through my veins, heart and soul. She voted yes on that damned Iran thing after Bush proved he cannot be trusted. My boys are almost draft age.
I'm Jewish. I'll vote for either of them. Brooklyn Girl
Just make sure you punch completely through the ballot with your horns. We don't want any hanging chad problems.
Over at Red State Ben Domenech says John McCain is an unstoppable juggernaut.
I wonder who he plagerized his article from.
Nah, I just gotta go by what he actually did.
Sorry, dude.
He wasn't a senator.
What an amazing comments section. I esp. enjoyed the poster 'remembering giap'.
GeorgeM | 02.29.08 - 9:29 pm | #
Probably still at Moon over Alabama.
Remarkably interesting guy for a maoist.
that's it, i'm out for real.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:30 pm | #
I don't understand why winning in Iraq gets liberals so mad.
I'm not even a good Jew. I'm certainly not religiious. But I admire the fuck out of Brooklyn Girl and Tacitus' ability to stay calm.
Terry C gets a beverage of choice.
See my comment at 9:29
we're winning in Iraq these days.
Just make sure you punch completely through the ballot with your horns. We don't want any hanging chad problems.
JeffCO | 02.29.08 - 9:31 pm | #
and you sayd I'm racist?
Nah, I just gotta go by what he actually did.
he didn't actually DO ANYTHING! GODDAMNIT! he didn't mount protests, he didn't write editorials, he didn't denounce the AUMF, he didn't denounce Kerry or Edwards or Clinton.
it's so hard to walk away from the stupid. hillary or obama, flip a coin, they just aren't very much different on the issues. either is better than mccain.
that's it. otherwise, it woun't make much difference. really. it won't.
Louis Farrakhan called judaism the gutter religion and american whites the embodiment of evil. Obama dresses like a member of the Nation of Islam.
Well, I remember commenting here on the first day of early voting in Texas that I was on my way out to vote for Hillary. As I so often do, I got distracted, and wound up voting tonight, the last night for early voting here.
My nearest voting location is in a heavily black neighborhood. At 5p the people were waiting over two hours to vote. At 6p after I got some food, the wait was still about 2 hours, longer if you didnt have a voter reg card.
The Obama turnout was absolutely over the top . Many were there just to vote for Obama and leave, you could hear them say it out loud. Not so good for the down ballot.
Nah, I just gotta go by what he actually did.
rootless-e, email-listed!
He talked the right talk, and then walked over to vote for funding the war.
What? Three times?
we're winning in Iraq these days.
I esp. like the "we" part.
The Battle of Fort Undermommysbed was what turned the tide!
who gets the zog support?
I don't understand why winning in Iraq gets liberals so mad.
pud | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:32 pm | #
i don't understand why winning in poland got everyone so annoyed with adolph.
This is what sends deep fear through my veins, heart and soul.
Erin, I've read this comment again and again. Your sons are safe even now.
You ought to be more worried about getting them educated and into jobs that can support them.
hillary or obama, flip a coin, they just aren't very much different on the issues. either is better than mccain.
Yep.
I wonder who he plagiarized his article from.
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08
We'd better watch out or we will Michelle MaglaGagLaDingDong writing (again) about how MEAN we're being to poor Ben.
we're winning in Iraq these days.
And now we have home field advantage through the playoffs
Louis Farrakhan called judaism the gutter religion and american whites the embodiment of evil. Obama dresses like a member of the Nation of Islam.
leaf
Oh shut up, why don't you?
I wouldn't vote for any candidate you support, I guarantee it.
Feral Liberal, my apologies. A coke do you?
Bill Moyers tonight spent first half with Kathleen Hall Jamison discussing the various ad approaches and other communications of the campaigns. She pointed out how important test messaging has been for the Obama communications with young people. Very interesting--and repeated in the NYC metro area early Sunday evenings. Check your local listings.
NOW had Joe Trippi on with some interesting analysis.
Moyers now discussing "populism" in the campaign--and how the monied class reacts. (Fear and loathing comes to mind.)
I was one who supported giving President Bush the authority, if necessary, to use force against Saddam Hussein. I believe that that was the right vote. I have had many disputes and disagreements with the administration over how that authority has been used, but I stand by the vote to provide the authority because I think it was a necessary step in order to maximize the outcome that did occur in the Security Council with the unanimous vote to send in inspectors. And I also knew that our military forces would be successful. But what we did not appreciate fully and what the administration was unprepared for was what would happen the day after.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/
6...transcript.html
By all means, thank you!
Just make sure you punch completely through the ballot with your horns. We don't want any hanging chad problems.
I agree with pud. JeffCo is clearly a raydaviesist.
The Battle of Fort Undermommysbed was what turned the tide!
dave™©
I think Obama should also proved that he didn't move the WMD to Syria.
Comment by leaf blocked. [
Bye, jack.......you clueless jackass.
Ha! I'm actually ahead this semester, which has lead former students to ask if I'm feeling okay.
I hate you.
Retired Prof. Nell Painter (sp?) discussing populism. Gonna be good.
i can haz spelling?
The Obama turnout was absolutely over the top . Many were there just to vote for Obama and leave, you could hear them say it out loud. Not so good for the down ballot.
That's great. I think he's going to get it. Some of you mistake positive commentary for Hillary for negatives about Obama.
No. When are you going to get it? You can't stand it when anyone defends her. She's not the Ice Queen, and he's not the savior.
Stop it.
and yet we still have to deal with "Jewish" this and "Jewish" that, like we're some sort of borg.
I'm Jewish. I'll vote for either of them.
Brooklyn Girl | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:28 pm | #
you and me, and, i'm pretty sure, rootless, and of course simels, and i'm sure a number of other atriots are jewish as well, yet we have just had two posters post anti-semitic remarks
i really don't know what to say
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Thanks for the piece clarifying regulation of health insurance companies in Obama's plan. But I do worry that his advisers don't share those ideas....
Hey, Sally - did you see this?
I honestly had no idea they were still requiring "loyalty oaths"...
Remarkably interesting guy for a maoist.I'm probably way more to the left than most of the posters I read here, but I have no illusions about maoism. I read an autobio of Loren Eisley, prof @ UPenn. He rode the rails as a teen during the Depression and recounted a conversation w/ an older man who said "Communists beat men into line, Capitalists beat men into line."
So true. Two sides of the same coin, basically.
Who are you voting for? The woman?
I think Obama should also proved that he didn't move the WMD to Syria.
ErinPDX
Obama had the WMD's? Who knew?
You ought to be more worried about getting them educated and into jobs that can support them.
pie
C'mon now, don't give me the Tweety "liberals don't give a shit about their kids" treatment. How do you know what I'm doing to ensure these things? Wow. Thanks a lot.
Long ago life was clean, sex was bad and obscene, and the rich were so mean.
The US is "winning" in Iraq like it "could have won" in Vietnam.
And, amazingly, the ones who spout this bullshit are the chickenhawks.
Only
Bitches that shake that
Ass
Magnificently need
Apply
Are black jews supporting Obama or Hillary?
Tacitus, me as well [see the link I posted above].
Were you here back in the days of albertchampion? He still appears, I think, every now and again.
I honestly had no idea they were still requiring "loyalty oaths"...
dave™©
I'd love to hear more about this. I thought loyalty oaths went the way of the plague.
I bet S.I. Hayakawa had something to do with it.
Comment by mavis blocked.
jack just doesn't take the hint, does he?
The poorer NY jews are supporting Obama.
Stop it.
pie
Hey, that was my comment. Wassup?
Were you here back in the days of albertchampion? He still appears, I think, every now and again.
sdf (Stu), Dodd for Majority L
That's one old kook I sure don't miss.
BTW, the next time some non-profit asks me to take over their website for no money in return, could someone here please drop a 16 ton weight on my head?
Thanks in advance...
hillary or obama, flip a coin, they just aren't very much different on the issues
Erin posted a comment on an earlier thread that succinctly laid out their differences. It's not the issues, it's the strategies -- Clinton's the DLC style targeting delegate rich states and drawing funds primarily from interest groups; Obama using Dean's 50-state strategy, organizing on the grassroots, small-d democratic level and inspiring voters to be informed participants and stay involved.
I like "B".
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the Tweety "liberals don't give a shit about their kids" treatment.
I feel sorry for any kids HE has.
How do you know what I'm doing to ensure these things? Wow. Thanks a lot.
Yikes. Of course, you are.
The other worry is silly though.
More than silly, actually.
Let's all just surrender now.
I am forced to agree, speaking only for myself.
Of course, I'm playing Scrabulous w/JeffCo. That could be why.
Dave, I'd heard that. I had to sign one, too.
The woman did nothing wrong, and I hope she sues everyone from here to hell. She's an Uncle Blodge type of teacher, and this is just rancid.
He rode the rails as a teen during the Depression and recounted a conversation w/ an older man who said "Communists beat men into line, Capitalists beat men into line."
So true. Two sides of the same coin, basically.
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no. not even close.
That's great. I think he's going to get it. Some of you mistake positive commentary for Hillary for negatives about Obama. No. When are you going to get it? You can't stand it when anyone defends her. She's not the Ice Queen, and he's not the savior. Stop it. pie
MMMmmmmm... rational pie.... auauaughghghghghgh....
albertchampion?
He has a blog somewhere doesn't he? Full of chewy albertchampion goodness...
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That's one old kook I sure don't miss.
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08 | 02.29.08 - 9:42 pm | #
I was almost certain that the War-Mongering Joos comment above would invoke him out of the ether.
C'mon now, don't give me the Tweety "liberals don't give a shit about their kids" treatment. How do you know what I'm doing to ensure these things? Wow. Thanks a lot.
ErinPDX
I think pie's point was that your boys won't be going to war, but might likely have to contend with a really shitty economy due to Repub mismanagement.
I really don't think she meant it the way you are taking it.
pie's lawyer (not)
the Tweety "liberals don't give a shit about their kids" treatment.
Well, we don't molest ours, for one thing.
That's one old kook I sure don't miss.
Heh, good times...
i really don't know what to say
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Tacitus Voltaire | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:38 pm | #
The best discussion of the season was the one on Larry Johnson's blog where commentators explained that you could not get brown eggs anymore 'cause the Rabbis needed white ones for Kosherizing and had, i dunno, put the evil eye or something on the egg industry.
The woman did nothing wrong, and I hope she sues everyone from here to hell.
The fact that she's been modifying them for 15 years or so, coupled with the Attorney General's office saying such modifications aren't a problem, certainly bodes well for her...
Long ago life was clean, sex was bad and obscene, and the rich were so mean.
You also stare at little girls in the park!
I was one who supported giving President Bush the authority, if necessary, to use force against Saddam Hussein. I believe that that was the right vote. I have had many disputes and disagreements with the administration over how that authority has been used, but I stand by the vote to provide the authority because I think it was a necessary step in order to maximize the outcome that did occur in the Security Council with the unanimous vote to send in inspectors. And I also knew that our military forces would be successful. But what we did not appreciate fully and what the administration was unprepared for was what would happen the day after.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/ 6...transcript.html
rootless-e, email-listed! | 02.29.08 - 9:36 pm | #
ok, i take your point. she made a statement that implied that she might be in favor of some kind of 'use of force' against saddam. i could argue that 'use of force' is rather vague is not necessarily the same as marching in there and taking over the country at all.
but, on the other hand, i really don't like her position in this statement
on the third hand, her position on the war and her votes on the war since barack got into the senate are pretty much the same as his. no es verdad? or do you have some documentation on differences?
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albertchampion is reading this thread right now.
could someone here please drop a 16 ton weight on my head? Thanks in advance... dave™©
Don't say it, dave - don't say the baby's name!
Clinton's the DLC style
Ah, but Obama has DLC ties.
You've been ignoring jawbone.
I can't believe that Nancy Willing posted that vile shit.
dave, the CSU system's biggest problem right now is Chancellor Charles Reed. He headed a for profit 'university' in Florida, and wants to run the CSU in the same fashion. Serious Republican suck up and union buster.
Is a sloppy hot dago the best meal in the world, or what?
(you know what I'm talking about)
HBK, probably a namestealer.
Nancy's just not vile.
I can't believe that Nancy Willing posted that vile shit.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
I do hope it wasn't her.
It's not the issues, it's the strategies
Sparkle
It ain't the meat, it's the motion baby
Ray Davies was on NPR tonight.
He's just a muswell hillbilly boy
though his heart lies in old west virginia
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbc...97/1301/
OPINION
Echidne, to go with your LATimes chauvinist piggery (9:10pm), here's heartland chauvinist piggery:
Like a little girl whose Chief Executive Barbie is falling from her fingertips into the sea, Hillary Clinton's presidential ambitions are slipping tragically from her gasp. This may explain her increasingly unhinged behavior, which would be bad enough were she winning. To lose the Democratic nomination this way, however, is particularly pathetic.
• Consider her campaign's reported peddling of a photo of Sen. Barack Obama in traditional Somali clothing. Emerging soon before Tuesday's Texas and Ohio primaries, this was more than a zany picture of an exotically dressed politician, like that of Clinton herself touring Vietnam in a sloped hat. This 2006 photo, snapped during a five-nation African fact-finding mission, could ignite suspicions that Obama is a closet Muslim, a turban-clad terrorist sympathizer, or that other surprises may lurk just beneath his black skin.
Louis Farrakhan called judaism the gutter religion and american whites the embodiment of evil. Obama dresses like a member of the Nation of Islam.
leaf | 02.29.08 - 9:33 pm | #
You dress like my bitch. Now put on some lipstick, girl.
I really don't think she meant it the way you are taking it.
I already said that, thank you.
Erin knows better, I hope.
The Battle of Fort Undermommysbed was what turned the tide!
dave™©
The war for the Cheetohs.
I'm sick of this debate. I'm ready for a nationl televised McCain v Huckabee debate. I'm in Kansas, if I stick my head out my window I should be able to crys of anguish as gopers are confronted with their only two options.
Drudge hit pay sludge with his sliming of Hillary and pimping that ethnic dress photo of Obama. So damn Rovian.
And so freakin' successful!
You also stare at little girls in the park!
I'm a well respected man about town. Perhaps you're thinking of pud, who is a dedicated swallower of fascism.
BTW, the next time some non-profit asks me to take over their website for no money in return, could someone here please drop a 16 ton weight on my head?
Might you be able to deduct it as a contribution? Only your tax accountant knows for sure.
Damn, is Ben Stein the quintessential hook nose jewboy or what?
Was he the model for all the Nazi propaganda in the 30's?
Ok, ok, ok.......
just trying to lighten things up a bit with some crude racial stereotyping crap.....
Ah, but Obama has DLC ties.
You've been ignoring jawbone.
pie
Which brings me full circle back to
"> this.
we're winning in Iraq these days.
because only half as many iraqi children have gotten blown up by car bombs than there were six months ago?
that kind of 'winning'?
and if you would like to see the detail reports of when and where iraqi children have been blown into bits recently, i can provide that
the phrase was not merely a rhetorical flourish
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John McCain has killed more people than that idiot Farrakhan.
Just say no to Drudge
im still wondering what muslim garb is.
I can't believe that Nancy Willing posted that vile shit.
She said she was going out earlier, and she has been namestolen before.
She's not like that at all.
Good night, 'bats. Sleep well.
I would suggest that Tucker Carlson is the Joe Franklin of political punditry.
All this Hillary/Obama squabbling has forced me to enter the race.
I have no DLC ties. In fact, I rarely wear ties of any sort.
I should therefore be the nominee.
The best discussion of the season was the one on Larry Johnson's blog where commentators explained that you could not get brown eggs anymore 'cause the Rabbis needed white ones for Kosherizing and had, i dunno, put the evil eye or something on the egg industry.
rootless-e, email-listed!
Oh, man.........!
im still wondering what muslim garb is.
A catholic garb is a small boy or girls worn around the waist.
im still wondering what muslim garb is.
They meant to say Muslim grab. It's a poker game.
because only half as many iraqi children have gotten blown up by car bombs than there were six months ago?
However this is offset by the increased number of kids that are killed during anti-terrorist bombing runs.
HEY, I have a cheerful story for everybody, since we're all in such a great mood!
Here in lovely Central Wang, we stuck a 42-year-old woman in jail for stealing a $9 sammitch from a grocery store. She declined her bf's offer to bail her out, said she'd just ride it out -- one imagines their money was tight.
She died of MRSA 15 days later. Yesterday.
Might you be able to deduct it as a contribution?
Oh, I think so. It's not that big a deal... just don't think I'd do it again!
John McCain has killed more people than that idiot Farrakhan.
leibniz♘☮
And he would love a chance to kill a lot more.
I already said that, thank you.
Erin knows better, I hope.
pie
Yeah, sorry.
I read an interesting study that said that people's chances of reading correctly the intent of comments on a thread was no better than even.
Flip a coin: good comment, well intentioned. Flip it again: bad.
albertchampion's blog
Just how I remember him.
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I'd vote for you Thers.
You funny.
Asante Samuel? i dont get it.
All the negative numbers in Iraq are down 2/3's from peak. That's significant progress.
I should therefore be the nominee
"Ale in every Glass, and Bacon in every Pan"
Here in lovely Central Wang, we stuck a 42-year-old woman in jail for stealing a $9 sammitch from a grocery store. She declined her bf's offer to bail her out, said she'd just ride it out -- one imagines their money was tight.
She died of MRSA 15 days later. Yesterday.
Victor Hugo redux.
HBK, and we'd have whiskey and bacon all the time.
I don't like whiskey nor bacon, but I'm sure I could find acceptable substitutes.
It ain't the meat, it's the motion baby
It's the movement that
Gives. It. The. Sock.
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John McCain has killed more people than that idiot Farrakhan.
Also more people have died trying to see the Pope than have died seeing The Who.
All this Hillary/Obama squabbling has forced me to enter the race.
I have no DLC ties. In fact, I rarely wear ties of any sort.
I should therefore be the nominee.
Remember the last time we elected an Irishman president?
All this Hillary/Obama squabbling has forced me to enter the race.
I have no DLC ties. In fact, I rarely wear ties of any sort.
I should therefore be the nominee.
Thers
BACON for EVERYONE!
I should therefore be the nominee.
Thers | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:50 pm | #
After your endorsement? Arvo's going to be pissed. Or at least roll over in his grave once or twice.
She died of MRSA 15 days later. Yesterday.
Silleigh
Well, you certainly cheered me up.
She died of MRSA 15 days later. Yesterday.
I'm working on this problem, and the new strains are growing more and more drug resistant.
It is my understanding that both Hiliary and Edwards were among those democrats that were not invited to the war room planning stage. The paperwork that was delivered to them said nothing about war like invasion.
PeasantParty
I know I'm late with this, but what the hell...
I honestly don't think anyone--inside or outside of Washington--can argue with a straight face that it wasn't absolutely clear that Bush intended to invade Iraq all along. If Hillary is arguing--and I haven't heard her actually say it (although some of her supporters apparently are)--that she was simply authorizing Bush to "work with the UN inspectors and to use force as a last resort," it has among the most dishonest things I've ever heard.
Remember the last time we elected an Irishman president?
I would've totally had a Guinness with him.
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08
When did you first begin commenting, if I may ask? Been around to absorb shit since 02?
Sparkle Plenty, Obama does have the DLC Economics adviser or whatever title it was from the DLC. They guy who talked to Canadians (or not, but CVA is considered a very good source of news from what I've read of Canadians' comments), Austan Goolsbee.
Yup, that DLC. Took the position in 2006.
All this Hillary/Obama squabbling has forced me to enter the race.
I have no DLC ties. In fact, I rarely wear ties of any sort.
I should therefore be the nominee.
Thers | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:50 pm |
No ties, but you look great in a blond wig.
There's a large strain of anti-semitism and homophobia in the black community.
could someone here please drop a 16 ton weight on my head? Thanks in advance... dave™©
How about learning to defend yourself against someone armed with a banana?
I'll have a whisky, Terry C...
but, on the other hand, i really don't like her position in this statement
on the third hand, her position on the war and her votes on the war since barack got into the senate are pretty much the same as his. no es verdad? or do you have some documentation on differences?
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Tacitus Voltaire | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:45 pm | #
On the "third hand"? Let's keep the talmudic reasoning down to a sensible level.
As far as I can see the biggest difference was on Kyle-Lieberman where she voted for an attack on Iran (or naively supposed Bush would not try to make use of this vote to legitimize an attack) and Obama voted no.
They've both been weak on funding the war - but I told you guys to vote Kucinich when you had the chance.
Man, I've had it up to here with Neocons, one of them owns our nearest corner store and the bastard is always neoconing us for nickels and dimes. We have some snotty neocons at work that dress funny, hats and cots in summertime and shit like that. They never work on Saturday so we have to cover for the fuckers. I'm getting tired of the way the neocons run the media and this country (NOG). I know he went too far but Hitler did have a point...
Prediction:
On the Wed, Tnurs, Fri, Sat, Sun, or Mon after the Tex/Oh primaries Hillary will resign from the campaign.
Just how I remember him.
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MisterX
Yep. No shift key.
Last time I saw writing like that, it was a cockroach jumping from key to key.
The cockroach could write, however.
no. not even close.Capitalists see workers as servants to the corporate state.
Communists see workers as servants to the state.
Both use the media as propaganda tools'
Both use the state's power to ensure that workers stay in line. (see T.R.'s breaking of coal mine strikes, MacArthur's attack on the Bonus Marchers, use of the NGuard at Kent State., for a few examples)
Both use the military for aggression rather than defense
Capitalists for markets/ raw materials (see MGen S.Butler's retirement speech)
Communists for much the same, plus expansion of their ideology
Not a typist, that's it for this post
I told you guys to vote Kucinich when you had the chance.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
Never got the chance to.
He dropped out before Super Tuesday.
As had Edwards.
Asante Samuel? i dont get it.
euphronius Night Moves! | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:52 pm | #
They needed to do something highly visible.
Also, they created very few turnovers this past year.
I have no DLC ties. In fact, I rarely wear ties of any sort.
And if you choose NTodd as your running mate your platform can be no ties and no pants.
I'm working on this problem, and the new strains are growing more and more drug resistant.
Freaky shit. My dad got it TWICE after major shoulder and back surgeries. I wound up packing a wound for a few weeks while they tried to clear it up. He went through bags and bags of vancomycin.
I'd vote for you Thers.
You can be Secretary of Good Vibes.
The cockroach could write, however.
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08
HA! My dear departed kitty was named Mehitabel... my mom gave me the collected works of Don Marq
Laugh all you want about my fears for my sons, their friends, fourlegs' cousin, Iraqi children, etc. Here is why I don't trust her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p...h?
v=pYATbsu2cP8
leaf
Fuck off, jack.
Too Good,
Bill Moyers just gave a plug to the Onion as he ended his program, said it was one of his regular reads.
Usually Nancy Willig doesn't do one shot drive-bys, right? She has to have been namestolen.
It's not fun to find it done to you.
Never got the chance to.
He dropped out before Super Tuesday.
I'm still voting for him on Tuesday.
Yup, that DLC. Took the position in 2006.
jawbone
I'm in wait-n-see mode on the Canadian consulate story.
But having a DLCer on your team isn't the same as using the DLC strategy. Entirely different things.
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wha hoppen? keyboard fart.
Sorry.
Meant to finish with "...Marquis when I was 12. I loved it!"
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When did you first begin commenting, if I may ask? Been around to absorb shit since 02?
ErinPDX
In an earlier life, I was Dr. Pedant.
Never really liked the nym, tho.
I started posting a little before Tena. Don't remember when it was; shortly before America's Memory blackened the scene. There was a frequent poster named Alan X then also, I believe. When was that?
What will the Hillary supporters say when the Obama Presidency sours?
Must go. Um, have "fun," everybody.
I would've totally had a Guinness with him.
You'd have had other things had he given you fiddy cent.
A catholic garb is a small boy or girls worn around the waist.
Y'all dress funny.
Not only did the "naive" HRC vote for Kyl-Lieberman, but she also voted for cluster bombs:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport...ives/
14635.html
Erin, I share your fears in that regard.
if you think communism and capitalism h ave equal results i dont know what to say.
im understanding asant samuel more now. turnovers.
Usually Nancy Willig doesn't do one shot drive-bys, right? She has to have been namestolen.
It's not fun to find it done to you.
jawbone
Shows what cowards the trolls are.
Never got the chance to.
He dropped out before Super Tuesday.
I'm still voting for him on Tuesday.
NTodd, Änti-VNF | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 9:58 pm
Elf Power!
And if you choose NTodd as your running mate your platform can be no ties and no pants.
My platform would involve the forcible pantsing of NTodd and his subsequent exile to Vermont.
They've both been weak on funding the war - but I told you guys to vote Kucinich when you had the chance.
rootless-e, email-listed! | 02.29.08 - 9:55 pm | #
i did
that's why the squabbling over the relative merits of two relatively conservative democrats seems rather talmudic to me
rabbi kucinich comments that he thinks either candidate is not clear enough about withdrawing from iraq completely and that both of their health care plans are too corporatist
rabbi eugene debs comments further on rabbi kucinich's comments and adds that the difference between them goes beyond style only in a very few areas
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I would've totally had a Guinness with him.
I'll bet his dad bootlegged something called "Guinnest", or something.
Shows what cowards the trolls are.
Terry C - No More Repugs!
Shows what trolls the cowards are.
It works both ways.
Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) infection
For those, like me, who have forgotten what the acronym stood for.
Elf Power!
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Here, have a cracker on us.
There was a frequent poster named Alan X then also, I believe. When was that?
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08
Adam 4-4-2 maybe? Back in '03 or so I think.
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shortly before America's Memory blackened the scene
Remember "Gordon the Magnificent"? That was one troll I couldn't help but tangleing with.
I have no DLC ties. In fact, I rarely wear ties of any sort.
Are you Grocho Ahmadinejad?
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"Gordon the Magnificent
*shudder*
Nah, it was something X. I'm pretty sure Alan X. Davis X Machina was certainly around.
Ahhhh... Gordon and his Jenna Bush fetish...
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His record is that of a moderate Republican.
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08 | 02.29.08 - 9:22 pm | #
Not really.
you and me, and, i'm pretty sure, rootless, and of course simels, and i'm sure a number of other atriots are jewish as well, yet we have just had two posters post anti-semitic remarks
Me too.
And I'm a Diasporan Jew, just like Tony Kushner.
I am anti-Zionist.
I am not Anti-Semitic, nor am I a self hating Jew.
Laugh all you want about my fears for my sons, their friends, fourlegs' cousin, Iraqi children, etc.
Yes, people sure are laughing about the war dead and the families of people in the U.S. military and people who fear their children will be sent off to war.
That's all I read about on the blogs. It's gone so far as to drown out all other discussions, in fact.
Remember "Gordon the Magnificent"? That was one troll I couldn't help but tangleing with.
FeralLiberal
I remember. I give him credit for enough humor to name himself that.
Or who knows, maybe he really saw himself as magnificent.
she also voted for cluster bombs:
That pisses me off--the flag thing was just dumb, but the cluster bomb thing is a clusterfuck.
Damn, is Ben Stein the quintessential hook nose jewboy or what?
Ben Stein is the quintessential right wing douchebag.
Like Joe Lieberman, he would be a douchebag no matter what religion he professed or ethnic group he belonged to.
But for all his misogynistic bluster, he's gone and we're still here...
If Hillary is arguing--and I haven't heard her actually say it (although some of her supporters apparently are)--that she was simply authorizing Bush to "work with the UN inspectors and to use force as a last resort," it has among the most dishonest things I've ever heard.
Cranky Bob | 02.29.08 - 9:54 pm | #
basically, you are saying 'she should have known it amounted to the same thing'
but, therefore, it wasn't the same thing. that's all. maybe it's not a big difference, but it is a difference
.
But for all his misogynistic bluster, he's gone and we're still here...
FeralLiberal
Bloody and somewhat bowed, in my case.
So through sheer dumb luck, I was able to soil a perfectly fresh piece of Obama boosterism at Orange Satan.
The Kossacks ain't gonna be happy...
Gordon was funny...because he talked back with Tobyish um, "swagger".
It was a sight to behold, really. Dith couldn't hold a candle to him.
Didn't Bush's march to war force the UN to recall the inspectors?
if you think communism and capitalism h ave equal results i dont know what to say.
Not saying equal results.
They both hold working stiffs in contempt, as things to be used. The state exists for the ruling class's benefit, not the common good.
I no longer have any illusions about this country. Not after Viet Nam, and certainly not after Iraq, to name just a couple of things.
People are right to worry about their kids. Bush I called them fodder units, as I recall. The kernel of truth in what seemed to be a joke.
Remember "Gordon the Magnificent"? That was one troll I couldn't help but tangleing with.
I remember back when John Cole used to trool here. Other ancient trolls...
Lonewackko
Adrian Spindle
Large Marge
Ah, memories!
"I'd vote for you Thers."
You can be Secretary of Good Vibes.
That's my wife's job.
Can I be Undersecretary in Charge of Keeping It Real?
Remember "Gordon the Magnificent"? That was one troll I couldn't help but tangleing with.
FeralLiberal
Had a thing for calling all the ladies here the "c" word.
Couldn't stand when a woman had the temerity to disagree with him.
And you couldn't help disagreeing with him - he was wrong about everything.
Just like pud, who also hates women.
GeorgeM | 02.29.08 - 10:09 pm | #
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i see what you are saying.
Walter Cronkite.
Can I be Undersecretary in Charge of Keeping It Real?
A Nerdlinger Administration would make me Secretary of Partying Down!
Large Marge
*shudder*
Gordon was funny...because he talked back with Tobyish um, "swagger".
He made the mistake of exaggerating his "accomplishments" a little too much. Agent Orange hit him time and time again about his bogus claim of military service. I think he finally got tired of being called on it.
I thought it was "adrian spidle", and I just googled that and found THIS... looks about right.
Hehehe
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Ben Stein happens to be an idjit.
The Kossacks ain't gonna be happy...
dave™©
...I see a stern, serious troll-rating in your future.
[puts down magic 8-ball]
...of course, with all loving respect, I mean "again"...
(DHinMI seems to think he or she may know you, I see)
And, of course, Gradmother's Home Cooking.
maybe he really saw himself as magnificent.
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08
He was the ONLY one who did.
Take a look at Hillary's 10/10/02 speech, on YouTube, giving bush the power to invade Iraq and watch her parroting bushco (cheney, rummy, rice) regarding sadam's wmd's, ties to al quaida, and harboring of terrorists, and watch her mentioning "intelligence" "based on fact," and never mentioning the huge amount of intelligence countering her and bushco's "intelligence," and tell me that she is not an enabler of war strategies.
Makes this Pacifist wanna retch.
I thought it was "adrian spidle", and I just googled that and found THIS... looks about right.
Hehehe
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MisterX
What a schmuck.
Gordon the Magnificent payed the ultimate price for trolling. The bonehead was stupid enough to post his crap from his computer at work, got caught, and was fired.
As I recall, after the firing the fuck promised that he'd be back, but he's stayed away as far as I know.
And, of course, Gradmother's Home Cooking.
That was dith, of course. The giveaway was when GHC used dith's greatest line: "As pure as a gambler's cigar".
Lyric beauty, I tells ya!
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/c.../cont/node/
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Actually rootless Obama did not vote on the Kyl Lieberman bill.
He must have been very busy.
if you think communism and capitalism h ave equal results i dont know what to say.
Both seem focused on one major theme:
Wealth.
As I recall, after the firing the fuck promised that he'd be back, but he's stayed away as far as I know.
It's hard out there for a burger flipper.
Hey everybody! I just landed a sweet gig writing jokes for John McCain. I just came up with this one to warm up the anti-illegal crowd. Tell me what you think of it:
Did you hear about the Mexican fireman whose wife had twins? He named one Jose and the other Hose B.
maybe deckard was human
If Thers is elected I want to be the lobbyist for bacon subsidies.
The bonehead was stupid enough to post his crap from his computer at work, got caught, and was fired.
A worthy coupe de grace to a real POS.
Actually rootless Obama did not vote on the Kyl Lieberman bill.
He must have been very busy.
Weird...but the only two Senators that didn't vote on that were Obama and McCain.
(DHinMI seems to think he or she may know you, I see)
Oh, I've told Mr. Houle what a fucking moron he is many, many times. Drives the guy nuts.
Ahhhh... Gordon and his Jenna Bush fetish...
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For some reason, they're into gonorrhea.
He must have been very busy.
What I like about comparing Obama and Clinton's voting record on Iraq is how they not only vote the same way - they missed the same exact votes.
Gordon the Magnificent payed the ultimate price for trolling. The bonehead was stupid enough to post his crap from his computer at work, got caught, and was fired.
Too many fries being dropped, I guess.
An old Gordon infested thread googled up for those feeling nostalgic:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...40879169883211/
The Visual Effects Society Unveils “50 Most Influential
Visual Effects Films of All Time”
http://
www.visualeffectssociety....s50revelfin.pdf
And, of course, Gradmother's Home Cooking.
That was dith, of course. The giveaway was when GHC used dith's greatest line: "As pure as a gambler's cigar".
Lyric beauty, I tells ya!
Zap Rowsdower
dith attended "anti-dim rallies" and liked to post about Bob Dylan.
What I like about comparing Obama and Clinton's voting record on Iraq is how they not only vote the same way - they missed the same exact votes.
dave™©
Plus Obama or Clinton or (egads!) McCain will be forking over $100 billion to Halliburton's KBR next year. It's to support the troops dontcha know.
BTW, speaking of Jews, in case you missed it earlier... "The Allan Sherman Story!"
Didn't Bush's march to war force the UN to recall the inspectors?
George Johnston
Yes. And his impatience for getting rid of them was palpable, as was his impatience to invade, if memory serves me well. Never fucking forget that murderous activity!
Not to mention the looting and disappearance of many artifacts of the Cradle of Civilization.
I remember back when John Cole used to trool here. Other ancient trolls...
Lonewackko
Adrian Spindle
Large Marge
Ah, memories!
Cassandra | 02.29.08 - 10:09 pm
Darth Philly.
An old Gordon infested thread googled up for those feeling nostalgic:
Heh...Thers was "The Hostile" back then. And Eli was still diabolical.
The more things change, etc.
And Eli was still diabolical.
That was before Eli got his FDL gig and disappeared from these parts ...
Heh...Thers was "The Hostile" back then. And Eli was still diabolical.
And simels was still soliciting blowjobs
Take a look at Hillary's 10/10/02 speech, on YouTube
Bobby St. Chomsky | 02.29.08 - 10:13 pm | #
i am watching it
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i was not that active during eli's reign. im more of a child of ntodd.
And Econ102, who is Elias, and probably Incognito
(DHinMI seems to think he or she may know you, I see)
Oh, I've told Mr. Houle what a fucking moron he is many, many times. Drives the guy nuts.
dave™©
not Dana Houle, right?
'night, bats.
sdf - That was fun... back when simels' posts looked like some kind of free-form poetry...
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Eli can not look at photos of someone looking down from a ciff.
not Dana Houle, right?
There were a few of them. I think it was a four-Houler.
hello. I've been out and about.
Is Nim a father yet?
Darth Philly.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Rester Jester
Cool Ranch, or Regular Doritos?
I'm not sure that Econ102 is Elias.
This article talks about Obama's economic advisers:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/stor...99-
94bc9d19be1a
One major reason for these differences is the candidate himself. Cutler told me Obama is adamant about consulting bona fide experts. "The staff kept saying, 'What he wants to know is that he's really talking to experts in the field. When you go see him, you know, make it clear that you're an expert.'" When it comes to economics, it's very difficult to achieve expertise without an academic background. It's a field that prizes rigorous results, supported by reams of painstakingly sifted data. (Though Reich was labor secretary, he was trained as a lawyer, not an economist.) Cutler, for example, has made his name with a series of detailed econometric studies suggesting that, contrary to the conventional wisdom on the left, Americans actually have quite a bit to show for the trillions they spend on health care.
Even a very smart non-academic can come up short by this measure. Last year, Goolsbee participated in a panel discussion with the economic advisers of the major presidential campaigns. At one point, he acknowledged the two other academics in the room and noted their dependence on intricate census data. This prompted some grumbling from the other advisers--very accomplished wonks in their own right--which the moderator acknowledged. But the truth is that almost no non-PhD would know what to do with such elaborate data sets. Or take the latest advances in behavioral economics: "We're aware of that stuff, we read the literature, believe a lot of it," says one Obama adviser. "That stuff hasn't filtered to the Washington policy community yet."
I don't see how Goolsbee is a negative factor. His addition to the team fits in with in Obama's approach to problem solving.
peace and quiet
And simels was still soliciting blowjobs
FeralLiberal
simels regrets the error et al...
Oooh...was Jen due today?
no no econ102 is um. . . shit. the black libertarian
I wonder if Incog has published his book about us all being germs or something. He'll sue if you steal his idea...
Cool Ranch, or Regular Doritos?
Utz potato chips.
Zap yes she was.
I hope everything came out ok and we have a little hamhock.
Laugh all you want about my fears for my sons, their friends, fourlegs' cousin, Iraqi children, etc. Here is why I don't trust her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p...h? v=pYATbsu2cP8
ErinPDX | 02.29.08 - 9:57 pm | #
That's an ugly video. She reminds me of Bill Clinton in her inability to deal with criticism from the left.
OK. So nobody liked my joke.
You're all going to watch my new TV show. Right?
no no econ102 is um. . . shit. the black libertarian
most recently (so to speak) Live Free Or Die ...
Thanks, HBK. Hope everything went good for them, as well.
Live Free or Die
p&q
no no econ102 is um. . . shit. the black libertarian
euphronius Night Moves!
Oh, shit... lemme think...
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yeah lfod.
anyway, the phillies in the ws this year.
I wonder if Incog has published his book about us all being germs or something. He'll sue if you steal his idea...
I always wondered if perhaps Incog railed against mad cow disease for personal reasons...
Sad.
Yeah, LFOD.
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So Mukasey refuses to investigate the two Bushboy aides (Meir & Bolten) who refused to testify before Congress.
Looks like we traded a spineless sleazebag like Gonzales for cowardly weasel like Mukasey.
Whatever happened to independent AG's like the ones who refused to fire Archibald Cox on Nixxxon's order?
The Goolsbee stuff is interesting. I knew Obama had a UofChi economist as an adviser, which gives me qualms, but nothing more about him.
Thanks for snippets and links.
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anyway, the phillies in the ws this year..
Heh. Our first son was born in July '81
So Mukasey refuses to investigate the two Bushboy aides (Meir & Bolten) who refused to testify before Congress.
Looks like we traded a spineless sleazebag like Gonzales for cowardly weasel like Mukasey.
Whatever happened to independent AG's like the ones who refused to fire Archibald Cox on Nixxxon's order?
Rudy | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 10:35 pm | #
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u gotta think pelosi expected him to say no and has a follow up.
Did somebody mention the Bush Twins:
http://editorialcartoonists.com/...splay.cfm/
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Any cat pics? WTF? It's friday, people!
Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez had Linda Bilmes and Joseph Stiglitz on Democracy Now today. The Three Trillion Dollar War
JOSEPH STIGLITZ: Well, we were very conservative in our book. When we say $3 trillion, that’s really an underestimate. We attributed, in our book, only $5 to $10 to the war itself. But if you look back, in 2003, futures markets, which take into account increases in demand, increases in supply—they knew that China was going to have increased demand, but they thought there would be increases in supply from the Middle East—they thought the price would remain at $25 for the next ten years or more. What changed that equation was the Iraq war. They couldn’t elicit the increase of supply in the Middle East because of the turmoil that we brought there. So we think, actually, the true numbers, not the $5 or $10 that we used, because we didn’t want to get in a quibble, but really a much larger fraction of the difference between $25 that it was at the time in 2003 and the $100 we face today.
AMY GOODMAN: You support an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, yet you say you would support a Democrat candidate for president; why? That’s voting against your views. They’re not calling for immediate withdrawal.
JOSEPH STIGLITZ: Well, the point is, we have a choice between what I would call a quick withdrawal and being there for a hundred years. If we have a hundred years, this $3 trillion number is just—you know, we’re assuming here a fairly quick scale-down of our activities over the next decade. But we’re saying by 2017, that’s the end, whereas—and when we do our $3 trillion calculation, if you’re talking about McCain’s, you know, a hundred year—we’re there for a hundred years, we’re talking about an order of magnitude larger. And I think the critical issue in writing this book is, one has to make that decision, is, say, if we’re going to be here for another hundred years, is that the best way of increasing our overall security?
stiglitz? hes never won any awards.
incognito is jack
anyway, the phillies in the ws this year..
From your keyboard to the FSM's noodly appendage.
Remind me who's going to be playing 3rd base again?
incognito is jack
That's always been my theory.
If you miss him, incog is a regular at Americablog.
And I see WGG is a "frontpager" at Mary Scot O'Nutcase's place...
Any cat pics? WTF? It's friday, people!
I alwayz haz cat pictures.
http://plush-life.blogspot.com/2...ay-
kittenz.html
Great contemporary Canadian band with a 60s sensibility:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z...h?
v=zcfd1kFmsqE
Whatever happened to independent AG's like the ones who refused to fire Archibald Cox on Nixxxon's order?
...that whole species seemed to cross the extinction threshhold in January of 1980. People like Elliot Richardson are generally found only in the fossil record now...
Any cat pics? WTF? It's friday, people!
Gilly, how's this?
And I see WGG is a "frontpager" at Mary Scot O'Nutcase's place...
dave™© | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 10:40 pm | #
Seriously?
What did we get for our $3 trillion in Iraq?
Lots of dead bodies, lots of ruined lives, lots more al Qaeda who use Iraq as a recruiting tool and a training ground.
And we took our attention away from Afghanistan and now the Taliban is resurgent there and taking over parts of Pakistan as well.
Bushboy - incompetence and lies, that's the story of his life.
Remind me who's going to be playing 3rd base again?
sdf (Stu), Dodd for Majority L
Cabrera - Inge has been moved to a utilitu role...
Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez had Linda Bilmes and Joseph Stiglitz on Democracy Now today.
That friggin blew my mind.
It was the 25 emergency supplements in 5 yrs that was the real revelation.
...that whole species seemed to cross the extinction threshhold in January of 1980. People like Elliot Richardson are generally found only in the fossil record now...
Jack K., the Grumpy Forester | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 10:41 pm | #
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who was jfk's ag?
hello. I've been out and about.
Is Nim a father yet?
Behbeh in PROGRESS!!
If you miss him, incog is a regular at Americablog.
After one of his scheduled bannings, someone came here and c&p'ed a bunch of his posts over at Americablog. Pretty rank stuff...even for him.
I don't think many people miss him here, though.
It was the 25 emergency supplements in 5 yrs that was the real revelation.
Only to people like you who haven't been PAYING FUCKING ATTENTION
http://www.tnr.com/politics/stor...99-
94bc9d19be1a
The Clintonites were moderates, but they were also ideological. They explicitly rejected the liberalism of the 1970s and '80s. The Obamanauts are decidedly non-ideological. They occasionally reach out to progressive think tanks like the Economic Policy Institute, but they also come from a world-- academic economics--whose inhabitants generally lean right. (And economists at the University of Chicago lean righter than most.) As a result, they tend to be just as comfortable with ideological diversity as the candidate they advise. Just before the Iowa caucus, I saw Goolsbee approach New York Times columnist David Brooks in Des Moines and gush when the quirky conservative agreed to pose for a picture.
Who among us is not a star-struck Brooks fan?
The point is that Obama's people are non-ideological. They seem to be pragmatists who are open to different ideas.
p&q
Drum's got a funny (guest) cat picture up at his place.
And I see WGG is a "frontpager" at Mary Scot O'Nutcase's place...
I presume he doesn't talk about putting dime sized holes into unpopular political leaders over there.
Remind me who's going to be playing 3rd base again?
sdf (Stu), Dodd for Majority L | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 10:38 pm | #
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feliz navidad.
great glove and range. dont need offense: dont worry.
brad "pujols stole my soul" lidge? worry.
who was jfk's ag?
euphronius Night Moves!
His brother, IIRC...
LINDA BILMES: Well, I think that both the Democrats are clearly interested in examining the issues around how much money we would have to spend to stay in Iraq, but I’m not sure that they are looking at it the way we would advise them to look at it. What we would say is that right now we spend $12 billion a month in Iraq alone, $16 billion if you include Afghanistan.
JOSEPH STIGLITZ: And that doesn’t include the cost down the line.
The U.S. can afford single-payer, national health care for all.
JFK's AG was Nicholas Katzenbach.
who was jfk's ag?
euphronius Night Moves!
His brudder.
who was jfk's ag?
euphronius Night Moves
um, rfk?
(either this is a joke and a duck is supposed to fall out of the ceiling, or I'm missing the point, not a rare ocurrence alas.)
Only to people like you who haven't been PAYING FUCKING ATTENTION
fourlegsgood, gots torch du U?
Hey tough guy, my attention span is just fine. It was putting it all in context that made it quite powerful. It wasn't a revelation for me, it was the presentation in its totality that made it special!
Buenas noches.
I don't think many people miss him here, though
Once and a while he was lucid enough for a brief conversation, but I can't say I miss his "episodes".
JFK's AG was Nicholas Katzenbach.
Rudy
Bobby
It was the 25 emergency supplements in 5 yrs that was the real revelation.
No accountability, the war budget on a second set of books, no oversight.
Nice gig.
The U.S. can afford single-payer, national health care for all.
Yeah, but the "Iraq War Money" ain't gonna pay for it. That's all on credit, baby.
A friend's cat...
http://thumbsnap.com/v/LVWL3UZJ.jpg
Sorry, my mistake. Katzenbach was the AG after RFK and worked for LBJ.
(either this is a joke and a duck is supposed to fall out of the ceiling, or I'm missing the point, not a rare ocurrence alas.)
Xan | 02.29.08 - 10:45 pm | #
im drunk. so thats the point.
i have no idea wht night moves! is after my name.
Take a look at Hillary's 10/10/02 speech, on YouTube
Bobby St. Chomsky | 02.29.08 - 10:13 pm | #
hillary 10/10/02 speech on iraq war vote
invading iraq now unilaterally to depose saddam and give the iraqi people a chance at democracy would be "fraught with danger", "would set a precendent that would come back to haunt us", "so, mr. president, with all its appeal... on the present facts, is not a good option"
basically the idea is that she wants 1) the push for inspections to clearly fail, and 2) getting a u.n. resolution authorising the invasion, before any military action
further says that she thinks this vote will make an invasion less likely.
naive to trust bush to carry out the letter and spirit of the resolution, definitely, but not the same thing as actually voting to invade iraq
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But then I'm just a hetero puke...
Nicholas Katzenbach followed RFK under LBJ.
25 years and my life is still...
oh yeah my point was non independent AG is not unprecedented.
Whatever happened to independent AG's like the ones who refused to fire Archibald Cox on Nixxxon's order?
Ah, nixon's AG was John Mitchell, a man who cause the word integrity to kill itself whenever his shadow fell on it
One thing that was a revelation for me was the fact that these emergency supplements have traditionally been used very sparingly, like for Katrina-like catastrophes, which was their original intent. But this Prez, and the Congress as well, since they control the purse strings, has abused them to the detriment of us all...
Tacitus Voltaire | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 10:47 pm | #
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i wont watch that 10/10/02 speech as it would interrupt my raging obama fanboiism.
simels. . . .
was it elliot richardson or ramsey clark?
But then I'm just a hetero puke...
FeralLiberal
No soup for you!
Yeah, but the "Iraq War Money" ain't gonna pay for it. That's all on credit, baby.
Oh come on. You're forgetting about the oil. The whole war is going to be self-sustaining from Iraqi oil revenue. Which is why we have to stay between 100 and 10,000 years so that we can get to that point.
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http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/
Came across this link at thread about Lost at Shakespeare's Sister...fun!
Anyway, the link is for site which does screen shots of Lost, etc.
This is gonna be fun.
Who wants to make an origami cat face?
im drunk. so thats the point.
i have no idea wht night moves! is after my name.
euphronius Night Moves!
Ah, ok, gotcha. Headed in that direction myself, to be better prepared for a round or 2 of Scrab if I can find anybody interested.
Was kinda hoping for the duck though. Difficult birds but tasty.
Ah, nixon's AG was John Mitchell, a man who cause the word integrity to kill itself whenever his shadow fell on it
rootless-e, email-listed!
I thought Martha Mitchell was a trip.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ell...t_L._Richardson
Elliot Lee Richardson (July 20, 1920 – December 31, 1999) was an American lawyer and politician who was a member of the cabinet of Presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford. He was a prominent figure in the Watergate Scandal, having refused an order from Nixon to fire special prosecutor Archibald Cox.
One thing that was a revelation for me was the fact that these emergency supplements have traditionally been used very sparingly, like for Katrina-like catastrophes, which was their original intent. But this Prez, and the Congress as well, since they control the purse strings, has abused them to the detriment of us all...
Elias, It's about meme. | 02.29.08 - 10:49 pm | #
on of the purposes of the 'emergency' supplemtntal was to invoke House rules that would route Iraq spending bills past the usual committees etc etc and oversight.
LBJ's AG was Ramsey Clark.
I thought Martha Mitchell was a trip.
I loved her diaries in National Lampoon.
so mitchell resigned to manage nixon's re-election
Kleindeinst took over and covered up Watergate and resigned under fire
Richardson was the pinch hitter who refused to fire Cox.
Bork eventually fired Cox.
no no econ102 is um. . . shit. the black libertarian
most recently (so to speak) Live Free Or Die ...
Jack K., the Grumpy Forester
this is a similar contrarian troll, even though he is a true "Clinton Exposer" and a "Kucinich Supporter" probably of the buttler stable of characters:
That's an ugly video. She reminds me of Bill Clinton in her inability to deal with criticism from the left. -rootless-e
feliz navidad.
great glove and range. dont need offense: dont worry.
Ah, right. So they release Nunez, good fielder can't hit worth a damn and pick up Feliz.
neighborhood cat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T...h?
v=TipzJfTMbzI
Was kinda hoping for the duck though. Difficult birds but tasty.
Xan | 02.29.08 - 10:50 pm | #
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i can offer you a drake or a mallard.
America has had a lot of sleazebag AGs. In addition to Mitchell there was Kleindeinst. Then there's Gonzales and now there's Mukasey. During the Teapot Dome scandal in the 1920s we had Harry Daugherty as AG who was another Gooper crook.
Actually "Gooper" and "crook" are synonymous. Excuse my redundancy.
further says that she thinks this vote will make an invasion less likely.
naive to trust bush to carry out the letter and spirit of the resolution, definitely, but not the same thing as actually voting to invade iraq
My dear friend, did you think Bush wasn't going to invade Iraq?
I knew that Bush was just looking for cover. Why didn't they?
Bork eventually fired Cox.
That Cox Sacker.
nothing like a tasty canard, esp a base canard
naive to trust bush to carry out the letter and spirit of the resolution, definitely, but not the same thing as actually voting to invade iraq
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Tacitus Voltaire | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 10:47 pm | #
I just don't believe she is anywhere near stupid enough to have fallen for that.
I may be wrong.
So there was Elliot Richardson. He wouldn't fire Cox. He resigned.
Then there was William Ruckleshaus. He would'nt do it, either. He resigned, too.
Then there was Robert Bork. He did it.
Anyone know what's happening with Bork's suit in tort? Ah, the slip and fall...
on of the purposes of the 'emergency' supplemtntal was to invoke House rules that would route Iraq spending bills past the usual committees etc etc and oversight.
euphronius Night Moves!
RIGHT!!!
So they bypassed all of the oversight which includes such things as investigating contractors histories, making sure minority contractors were involved, the bidding process, etc...
Unfreakinbelievable!
Ah, right. So they release Nunez, good fielder can't hit worth a damn and pick up Feliz.
sdf (Stu), Dodd for Majority L | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 10:52 pm | #
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dude. nunez is teh suck. feliz can hit a little and has more range than nunez. plus feliz is actually decent agaist LHers. when tought RHs pitch Dobbs will play.
frankly they shoulf have signed aramis ramierez 2 years ago. oh well.
I've got a bad feeling about this. Dropping all these troll names has got to be the moral equivalent of saying Voldemort.
The point is that Obama's people are non-ideological. They seem to be pragmatists who are open to different ideas.
p&q
Arabella Trefoil | 02.29.08 - 10:43 pm
Let us hope for the best. All we have is hope.
was it elliot richardson or ramsey clark?
...during the Saturday Night Massacre, it was Richardson (AG) and his deputy William Ruckelshaus who resigned rather than fire Archibald Cox. Robert Bork finally stepped in and did teh dirty work...
Thanks for the cat pics! I knew I could count on you guys.
fokowi, I sing that song in the shower all the time - "Hey-ya-yayyyyy" in falsetto.
Anyone know what's happening with Bork's suit in tort? Ah, the slip and fall...
ProfWombat | 02.29.08 - 10:54 pm | #
surely he must have given that up and admitted his personal responsibility for tripping and falling. i mean we wouldnt want a personal injury lawyer to get rich off the contingency fee.
've got a bad feeling about this. Dropping all these troll names has got to be the moral equivalent of saying Voldemort.
Anyone know what's happening with Bork's suit in tort? Ah, the slip and fall...
I haven't heard anything, myself. Wouldn't be surprised if that got laughed out of court with the dry-cleaning bit.
Wasn't Bork the Solicitor General when he got to fire Cox?
And where did Ted Olsen fit into that picture?
Great news for the campaign against McCain is that Barack has shown that his people do, in fact, have a quick response capability. The new attack ad by Hillary is being responded to immediately.
Talk about being hoisted by your own petard...
feliz is actually decent agaist LHers. when tought RHs pitch Dobbs will play.
Okay. Gonna try to take advantage of being in Teh Wang and get to a spring training game this year.
Prolly old news 'round here:
Goeglein resigns:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/0...&hp&
oref=slogin
HICA!
FL or Bust!
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Okay. Gonna try to take advantage of being in Teh Wang and get to a spring training game this year.
sdf (Stu), Dodd for Majority L | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 10:57 pm | #
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send meh scouting reports, svp.
i dont remember ted olsons name from back then, not to say he wasnt scurrying around...
Heh. We're fine with Aramis Ramirez right here where he is in Chicago, thanks.
...good to see that I owe half the world a beverage of choice. I'm going to bill it to my ISP that refuses to bring any sort of high-speed internet to my remote corner of the Orygun wilderness...
a-ram 45 hrs, 130 rbi this year.
Good night, moonbats.
Hope Vicki is holding an adorable infant soon. There is nothing more wonderful as holding an infant in your arms.
peace
send meh scouting reports, svp.
euphronius Night Moves! | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 10:58 pm | #
Will do. Will be interesting to see how quickly Myers readjusts to starting.
When the hell is Tom Delay going to have to face a jury or a judge in Texas?
I'd love to see that pasty faced liar get life in prison.
dave™© | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 10:50 pm ~~~~
Thanx for the cat origani instrustions. Tomorrow! Make nice T/U note.
Nite all.
Oh, and dave, thanks much for that link to the Allan Sherman story. Loved that stuff, turned me on to all the Catskils comedy (just in time for it to fade into oblivion alas). Why this had such an effect on a gentile teenager from central Illinois is unknown, but there ya go.
Never knew the story about him creating "I've Got a Secret." Nice treatment he got from Goodson-Toddman (ack, spit, ptooey.) Buy it for $1, sell it for $3 million? Oy.
I've gotta believe that I'm not the only AL-Central fan here.
(and no, NTodd liking the Tribe doesn't count)
dont know anything about baseball--understandable, because i live near the home park of the washington senators.
sheets
So I finally saw "Atonement" tonight.
I've gotta believe that I'm not the only AL-Central fan here.
(and no, NTodd liking the Tribe doesn't count)
Zap Rowsdower
This house is 1000% for the Chicago White Sox. I think it's the real reason why my wife had us leave New Orleans for Chicago.
I'd say that the worst troll ever, at least as far as making the comments section unreadable, was fy, the "vote green not blue!" scroll troll.
Before the safeguards were put on to prevent such things, the fuck used to copy entire threads and paste them into single posts, amongst other things.
For a couple months, he had a real reign of terror pulling that shit.
My dear friend, did you think Bush wasn't going to invade Iraq?
I knew that Bush was just looking for cover. Why didn't they?
fourlegsgood, gots torch du U? | Homepage | 02.29.08 - 10:53 pm | #
I just don't believe she is anywhere near stupid enough to have fallen for that.I may be wrong.
rootless-e, email-listed! | 02.29.08 - 10:53 pm | #
yeah, i know guys. at the time, i thought they would only find the poison gas that we sold to him, and obviously that alone wouldn't justify invading. if i knew that, why did all those people in congress not know that?
BTW here is a link to the transcription of the speech
http://clinton.senate.gov/
speech...raq_101002.html
if you read the speech carefully, you see that she is very clear that a unilateral invasion of iraq by the united states without widespread international approval for it would be a Very Bad Idea. having said that, the scenario she envisions is a vigorous push for complete inspections, and failing that a push for a u.n. authorization to use force
so, i agree - if you take her words at face value, she was more stupid and naive than any of us. point taken
but she never voted for what we got - a virtually unilateral invasion of iraq without doing everything possible to get full inspections. the u.n. was not about to authorise invasion since bush did not nearly do everything called for in the resolution that hillary voted for, in regards to inspections
laborious, but i think it is worth it to put a fine point on it
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/ar...ives/ 012052.php
"Damn. Obama will not rule out using private security companies such as Blackwater."
That is the most serious thing I have heard this campaign. What we are talking about are armed mercenaries walking our streets controlled by the corporations-not local police forces who has rules and are accountable to the public. Is this the kind of president we really want who just takes up where the rethugs left off? Is this the kind of country we think we are getting. Think again.
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