That was a rough show for Maher. Major audio problems at the beginning and the audience didn't find several of his jokes all that laugh-worthy.
Robbins was basically echoing something Maher's been hollering about for quite a while, wasn't he?
r€nato, love peace and grease |
08.25.07 - 1:48 pm | #
I love Tim Robbins. Hang on, I lied: I love Susan Sarandon and by extension I love Tim Robbins. But it's really Susan Sarandon that I'm after.
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 1:49 pm | #
Once again, although I'm not first, I'm early.
So there!
steve simels |
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08.25.07 - 1:49 pm | #
oh and Michel Martin came across as a rather humorless prig at times. Just my $0.02.
r€nato, love peace and grease |
08.25.07 - 1:49 pm | #
bye for now
Moonbootica, Graduate |
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08.25.07 - 1:50 pm | #
If Maher and Stewart and Colbert are the best we can do, we're fucked.
smalfish,beatnik |
08.25.07 - 1:50 pm | #
If Maher and Stewart and Colbert are the best we can do, we're fucked.
Comedians? There's the old idea of the king's fool I guess. But one would think some actual politician could step up.
Echidne |
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08.25.07 - 1:52 pm | #
you know, I woke up this morning and realized this is the anniversary of the day I lost my virginity.
r€nato, love peace and grease |
08.25.07 - 1:52 pm | #
smalfish - it's worse: Maher et al aren't even we
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 1:52 pm | #
I dunno, I'm liking Tim Robbins as per usual....
steve simels |
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08.25.07 - 1:52 pm | #
I watched "No End in Sight" last night. Poignant, poignant movie.
"Don't tell me this is the best ...the United States can do. That really makes me angry."
Darryl Pearce |
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08.25.07 - 1:53 pm | #
:-p walter neff
r€nato, love peace and grease |
08.25.07 - 1:53 pm | #
r€nato: 2006?
behind the Tastee Freez. Me, NTodd and a goat.
I didn't know you were there!
r€nato, love peace and grease |
08.25.07 - 1:53 pm | #
you know, I woke up this morning and realized this is the anniversary of the day I lost my virginity.
r€nato, love peace and grease
You can become revirginized by signing something fundy, I think.
Echidne |
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08.25.07 - 1:54 pm | #
Gotta be something serious wrong with anyone who admires Dick Cheney.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 1:54 pm | #
you know, I woke up this morning and realized this is the anniversary of the day I lost my virginity.
Took my love
Took it down
Climbed a mountain
and I turned around.
smalfish,beatnik |
08.25.07 - 1:54 pm | #
You can become revirginized by signing something fundy, I think.
No thanks, Ted Haggard tried that line out on me and I told him I wasn't about to fall for it again.
r€nato, love peace and grease |
08.25.07 - 1:55 pm | #
No thanks, Ted Haggard tried that line out on me and I told him I wasn't about to fall for it again.
Gay sex is not a deflowering moment.
smalfish,beatnik |
08.25.07 - 1:56 pm | #
Virginity - my best guess for myself: April/May 1970
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 1:56 pm | #
I agree completely why are we listening to people who have been wrong from the start. Shouldn't there be a scorecard somewhere
where is stat boy(man) when you really need him(her)
Liars for Bush |
08.25.07 - 1:57 pm | #
It may have been '69
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 1:57 pm | #
Feh.
In 1977, at the age of 17, I made it through a three-day tour of Bangkok and kept my virginity.
oh - and it was in a high jump pit on the track after a meet.
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 2:00 pm | #
I'd like to see the scorecard on line
I'd do it but my level of interaction with the internet is pretty low tech
would wikipedia do it
Liars for Bush |
08.25.07 - 2:00 pm | #
Bangforehead
Isn't there an obnoxious TV add about that?
spinoza-non ridere, non lugare |
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08.25.07 - 2:00 pm | #
there. the shower is clean...time to move on to the rest of the house. AAArgh!
therealhellkitty |
08.25.07 - 2:01 pm | #
Love the Nice Polite Republican reporter at the end who is ok with Hayes' lie after lie, but is quite nonplussed with Tim Robbins' inexplicably stubborn incivility in calling them LIARS instead of letting them just be 'mistaken.'
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:02 pm | #
Bangforehead
Isn't there an obnoxious TV add about that?
Unfortunately, the pill that cures that causes an inexplicable urge to go to the shopping network to buy cubic zirconium jewelery.
Doug |
08.25.07 - 2:03 pm | #
Simels lost his virginity to Theda Bara. True story.
I know he dated Clara Bow before that though.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:06 pm | #
screw the npr and all the others who are all ladies tea party when a Democrat calls a gooper out for the liar they are...but when goopers do it -then it's just a joke or appropriate somehow.
Ignore them soon they will be going away. Make sure to carry voter registration cards with you and register outraged people --and keep a list and make sure they vote.
Liars for Bush |
08.25.07 - 2:06 pm | #
...from Tim Robbins to virginity-loss stories?
The internet(s) tubes are a strange train of thought.
Darryl Pearce |
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08.25.07 - 2:07 pm | #
He always did go for the crazy chicks from Brooklyn.
The Kenosha Kid |
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08.25.07 - 2:07 pm | #
"Tim Robbins isn't serious about foreign policy"-Michael Cohen as he picks the cotton from his mother's panties from his teeth
jr |
08.25.07 - 2:08 pm | #
Co-incidence?
Dogs 'neglected' at rapper's home
Police have raided the home of US rap star DMX, finding 12 apparently neglected dogs and a number of guns.
The pit bulls terriers were not being fed or given water, and have been removed, police said. The bodies of three more had been buried.
No arrests have been made and DMX said he had not been at the property in Arizona for at least two months.
The cover of his latest album, Year of the Dog... Again, which came out last year, featured him with a pit bull straining at the leash.
Culture of TrÜth |
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08.25.07 - 2:08 pm | #
Simels lost his virginity to Theda Bara. True story.
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 08.25.07 - 2:04 pm | #
Did you know that her name is an anagram for Arab Death?
Just saying...
steve simels |
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08.25.07 - 2:09 pm | #
The internet(s) tubes are a strange train of thought.
Bloggers are teh crazy. Uncivil, even.
smalfish,beatnik |
08.25.07 - 2:09 pm | #
Roger Goodell laid the smack down on Michael Vick.
I'm beginning to like this fellow.
smalfish,beatnik |
08.25.07 - 2:12 pm | #
The cover of his latest album, Year of the Dog... Again, which came out last year, featured him with a pit bull straining at the leash.
Culture of TrÜth
"Look - I have a BIG dog...to compensate for my little dick!"
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 2:12 pm | #
Of course, the sad thing for steve is that he never really recovered from his brief but life-altering fling with Louise Brooks. Who would?
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:12 pm | #
What about Louise Bryant?
Culture of TrÜth |
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08.25.07 - 2:13 pm | #
"you know, I woke up this morning and realized this is the anniversary of the day I lost my virginity."
you remember the date?
jdw |
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08.25.07 - 2:13 pm | #
I had never heard it before, but there's an all but identical remake on the soundtrack of the new Mr.Bean movie.
This one's so cute, though....
I
steve simels |
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08.25.07 - 2:14 pm | #
Bloggers are teh crazy. Uncivil, even.
Cheney said, "I expressed myself rather forcefully, felt better after I had done it. ...that's not the kind of language I ordinarily use. But... I expressed my dissatisfaction... I informed him of my view of his conduct in no uncertain terms. And as I say, I felt better afterwards. ...I think that a lot of my colleagues felt that what I had said badly needed to be said, that it was long overdue. ...ordinarily I don't express myself in strong terms. But I thought it was appropriate here."
Darryl Pearce |
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08.25.07 - 2:14 pm | #
I'm so glad virginity isn't a state into which you can relapse... like being an unregistered voter, say.
I'd be in real jeopardy.
SteveLG |
08.25.07 - 2:15 pm | #
The less said about steve's "lost weekend" with Foster Brooks, the better.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:15 pm | #
Of course, the sad thing for steve is that he never really recovered from his brief but life-altering fling with Louise Brooks. Who would?
JeffCO | 08.25.07 - 2:12 pm | #
In many ways, my ultimate dream girl.
Wow!!!!
Although right now I have a deeply frustrating crush on Kathryn Morris from Cold Case.
steve simels |
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08.25.07 - 2:16 pm | #
You're either a fire-fighter, a fire-starter, or one of the hapless rabble of victims.
Darryl Pearce |
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08.25.07 - 2:17 pm | #
"you know, I woke up this morning and realized this is the anniversary of the day I lost my virginity."
you remember the date?
jdw
I do.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 2:17 pm | #
The less said about steve's "lost weekend" with Foster Brooks, the better.
JeffCO | 08.25.07 - 2:15 pm | #
I woke up and found my waterbed had exploded.
And I don't have a waterbed.
steve simels |
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08.25.07 - 2:19 pm | #
I have a deeply frustrating crush on Kathryn Morris from Cold Case.
I can't help but notice Tracy Tracy of the Primitives bears a certain resemblance....
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:19 pm | #
Theda Bara? Really? I thought it was Merv.
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 2:20 pm | #
Larry O'Donnell is one brave HuffPost blogger today
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 2:20 pm | #
so simels, how were the movies?
Culture of TrÜth |
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08.25.07 - 2:21 pm | #
'bout time someone essentially told Hayes to go fuck himself, the lying asshole!
Cartman |
08.25.07 - 2:21 pm | #
Here's a review of the latest intra-party tiff Clinton caused by "buying" into the GOP narrative on national security.
smithee | Homepage | 08.25.07 - 2:15 pm | #
On the money. When will they ever fucking learn.....
steve simels |
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08.25.07 - 2:21 pm | #
"I do."
no shit!!??
i don't mean something like that is inconsequential...i can remember the event well enuf, and can place it to summer sometime in the early 70's, but not the exact date. i find that remarkable.
jdw |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 2:22 pm | #
Louise Brooks the ultimate dream girl?
Who is the penultimate
Liars for Bush |
08.25.07 - 2:22 pm | #
Okay, I've got $130, and nothin' to do, today, really. Where should I scoot? What to see? What to do?!?
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.25.07 - 2:22 pm | #
Larry O'Donnell is one brave HuffPost blogger today
He can go fuck himself with Cheney's forceful expression. Suggesting that dogfighting is no different from hunting or fishing and morally acceptable for an omnivore is so fucking stupid I can't beging to imagine what he's thinking.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:24 pm | #
I just went over to read the lost virginity stories in Freeperville Cove. Kids do the darndest things on the family farm
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 2:24 pm | #
Here's a review of the latest intra-party tiff Clinton caused by "buying" into the GOP narrative on national security. smithee
Not surprisingly, all Hillary's speeches are being written by Alan Smithee.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:26 pm | #
Larry O'Donnell is one brave HuffPost blogger today
From HuffPo.
Most people who are upset about killing dogs or letting them attack each other have at some point in their lives caught a fish, which is as extreme a form of murderous torture of an animal as I can imagine... Not only have most of them caught a fish, they have actually eaten many more of them than they've caught. Which is weirder, killing an animal or eating its dead flesh?
O'Donnel misses the point entirely. The republics will probably hire this guy to be their next O'Hanlon...
Killing for sport is a hell of a lot different than killing for food.
billy b - p funk |
08.25.07 - 2:26 pm | #
Okay, I've got $130, and nothin' to do, today, really. Where should I scoot? What to see? What to do?!?
Obviously head straight for the bank to open an Xmas club account.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:27 pm | #
so simels, how were the movies?
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 08.25.07 - 2:21 pm | #
"Nanny Diaries" was surprisingly good -- it's real sharp on class issues and Laura Linney is fucking brilliant. Ditto Paul Giamatti.
"Mr. Bean's Holiday," however, is just a delight. Sweet, smart, very funny...and I say that as somebody who didn't much care for the series or the other movie.
A lovely little film, with a couple of classic sequences; Jacques Tati would have approved.
steve simels |
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08.25.07 - 2:29 pm | #
I just went over to read the lost virginity stories in Freeperville Cove. Kids do the darndest things on the family farm
WalterNeff
Half of them STILL haven't lost it.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 2:29 pm | #
"you know, I woke up this morning and realized this is the anniversary of the day I lost my virginity."
you remember the date?
jdw
I do.
NTodd, Hungry For Mimi |
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08.25.07 - 2:29 pm | #
JeffCO: Obviously head straight for the bank to open an Xmas club account.
My father in law died unexpectedly four weeks ago. My wife's grief is still overwhelming. I haven't seen much of her lately as she's been spending much of her time with her mom. Yesterday as we were taking a late-night walk and she was talking about how difficult the past few weeks had been and how she sometimes thought of all the sadness, loss and grief in Iraq. It's been on my mind the past few weeks, too. Our loss has made the continuing madness much less abstract.
It sickens me all the pain and suffering we allowed to be inflicted under our name because of a dumb fuck pretender's vanity and the bloody fantasies of a cadre of think tank idiots.
stencil |
08.25.07 - 2:30 pm | #
Well, I guess I could cruise west of here, and look for a license plate bracket. There's a Harley shop out thataways, but I bet they'd want arm+leg for such, if they even carried it.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.25.07 - 2:31 pm | #
i've wrestled quite a bit with the 'is fishing cruelty to fish?' dilemma, myself...
jdw |
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08.25.07 - 2:32 pm | #
...but i have seen and heard a lot of this 'dog fighting isn't any different then deer hunting', which is so stupid it's a wonder people can believe it...
jdw |
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08.25.07 - 2:33 pm | #
If betting on dogfights is no different than hunting or fishing, then blowing up buildings full of people is the same as poisoning an anthill or blowing up frogs with firecrackers.
catalexis who ♥ Al Gore |
08.25.07 - 2:34 pm | #
'is fishing cruelty to fish?
Death is as natural as birth.
...but there are ways to be respectful (even of those we eat).
Darryl Pearce |
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08.25.07 - 2:34 pm | #
"I do.
NTodd, Hungry For Mimi"
damn, this is amazing.
jdw |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 2:35 pm | #
Awright, NTodd. Who the heck is Mimi?
Darryl Pearce |
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08.25.07 - 2:36 pm | #
...but i have seen and heard a lot of this 'dog fighting isn't any different then deer hunting', which is so stupid it's a wonder people can believe it...
Fight 'em over there so we don't have to fight 'em over here...
We haven't been "hit" since 9/11...
and so on.
billy b - getsmyfunkfrompfunk |
08.25.07 - 2:36 pm | #
damn, this is amazing.
I was a bit older than many here. And she was a Republican. And totally amazingly hothothot. Oh my.
NTodd, Hungry For Mimi |
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08.25.07 - 2:36 pm | #
O'Donnell omits this nuggetty factoid: it's against the law, it's a felony, and gambling on it is a felony. Having sex with 12-year olds is fine and dandy in some cultures, too. Maybe he doesn't see what all the fuss is about that either.
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 2:36 pm | #
The thing that bugs me int he comments is that of course immediately someone jumps to "Meat is Murder" and manages to obscure the issue and alienate people mostly in agreement. A not only ineffective but counterproductive strategy that is a favorite of the Naderish.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:37 pm | #
I remember where I lost my virginity, who I was with and how old I was, but not the date. Does that count?
mer |
08.25.07 - 2:37 pm | #
"Death is as natural as birth."
but i don't keep them. not out of any moral reason, it's just that i don't care much for the taste of fish.
if i did kill them because i liked the taste of fish, and fishing caused them pain/torture, it would be worse to fish just for sport, imo.
jdw |
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08.25.07 - 2:37 pm | #
catalexis: If betting on dogfights is no different than hunting or fishing, then blowing up buildings full of people is the same as poisoning an anthill or blowing up frogs with firecrackers.
Well, there's quite a number of folx (mainly fundamentalist xian) who believe there are humans, and then there are all other living thangs, which humans have the right to do with as they please.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.25.07 - 2:37 pm | #
Awright, NTodd. Who the heck is Mimi?
My new love. Would you like to hear her sexy voice?
NTodd, Hungry For Mimi |
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08.25.07 - 2:37 pm | #
It sickens me all the pain and suffering we allowed to be inflicted under our name because of a dumb fuck pretender's vanity and the bloody fantasies of a cadre of think tank idiots.
stencil | 08.25.07 - 2:30 pm | #
...but i have seen and heard a lot of this 'dog fighting isn't any different then deer hunting', which is so stupid it's a wonder people can believe it...
jdw
They WANT to believe it.
Just like some people want to believe the Bush is a great president and the war in Iraq is a big success.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 2:38 pm | #
"And she was a Republican. And totally amazingly hothothot. Oh my."
i don't know that i ever had sex with a republican.
jdw |
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08.25.07 - 2:38 pm | #
I could probably come up with the month but not the day.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:38 pm | #
O'Hanlon perpetuates one of the biggest bamboozles of all when he says his and Pollack's experience:
"...led each of us to oppose predictions of a "cakewalk" before the invasion and to join Gen. Eric Shinseki in criticizing invasion plans that had too few troops and too little thought given to the post-invasion mission."
As Tom Rick's points out in "Fiasco", the debate was "far more than a technical squabble about troop numbers." [Fiasco, p.98]. Ricks cites this article by Andrew Bacevich: "Given that the requisite additional troops simply did not exist, Shinseki was implicitly arguing that the U.S. armed services were inadequate for the enterprise...Shinseki had to be discredited then and there, lest the opportunity to validate the new American way of war be lost forever...So the normally unflappable Wolfowitz responded with uncharacteristic brusqueness, caustically dismissing the general’s estimate as “wildly off the mark.”
O'Hanlon and Pollack had enough experience to know what Shinseki meant, and what it meant for "the new American way of war". They chose to ignore Shinseki because they desperately wanted to give war a chance.
Newton Minnow |
08.25.07 - 2:39 pm | #
I was married to a Republican from Texas. She sold film partnerships. Batshit crazy - lasted six months. And I live to tell the tale.
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 2:40 pm | #
Man, the commenters at Huffington are bananas.
Culture of TrÜth |
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08.25.07 - 2:40 pm | #
"Fish are friends, not food." ---Bruce the (recovering) Shark.
catalexis who ♥ Al Gore |
08.25.07 - 2:40 pm | #
NTodd..., true love is the most wonderful thing. --except for a nice MLT, mutton-lettuce-and-tomato sandwich where the mutten is nice and lean and the tomato is so perky smack, smack. I love that!
Darryl Pearce |
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08.25.07 - 2:40 pm | #
Gyah! Slanties!
Close the tag. Close the tag.
Darryl Pearce |
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08.25.07 - 2:41 pm | #
Mmm...a mimi lettuce and tomato sammy.
NTodd, Hungry For Mimi |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 2:41 pm | #
I didn't see dog on the menu at Daniel's Broiler yesterday. But they did have a $50 steak.
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 2:42 pm | #
Actually, the opposite is true. Brains are good fish food.
If you have tropical fish, try to feed them tropical brains whenever possible.
Isaak Bashevis Walton |
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08.25.07 - 2:42 pm | #
Most people who are upset about killing dogs or letting them attack each other have at some point in their lives caught a fish, which is as extreme a form of murderous torture of an animal as I can imagine... Not only have most of them caught a fish, they have actually eaten many more of them than they've caught. Which is weirder, killing an animal or eating its dead flesh?
I was wondering when we'd see white guys coming down on the side of animal cruelty. Fuckers have been hiding. They too, can go fuck themselves.
Yes, I agree that catching fish and all that is torturous to them. Maybe we should all go vegetarian. I saw a open cargo truck yesterday that had tanks of "live fish" and I couldn't help but think of the state of being those fish must be in, riding around in a tank on the back of a truck.
smalfish,beatnik |
08.25.07 - 2:42 pm | #
O'Donnell omits this nuggetty factoid: it's against the law, it's a felony, and gambling on it is a felony. Having sex with 12-year olds is fine and dandy in some cultures, too. Maybe he doesn't see what all the fuss is about that either. WalterNeff
Excellent point. I'm also done with the "it's a cultural thing; you wouldn't understand' argument when it's applied to traditions such as: torturing animals, mutilating your daughter's genitalia, setting fire to your sister, stoning to death your gay son, beating the shit out of your toddler for crying, etc. etc. etc.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:43 pm | #
My, my, my. Poor NTodd is really hurting. Say, I know what...he could always go around to the Tasty Freeze and...ooops--------*ahhkward*.....
catalexis who ♥ Al Gore |
08.25.07 - 2:43 pm | #
Mmm...a mimi lettuce and tomato sammy. NTodd
I know if I were going to stalk you, I'd call myself mimi since that's your favorite word.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:44 pm | #
beating the shit out of your toddler for crying
well, that one I understand
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 2:44 pm | #
I could probably come up with the month but not the day.
JeffCO | 08.25.07 - 2:38 pm | #
I had to think for a minute to remember the year.
But I don't want to bring the Spanish American War into this....
Isaak Bashevis Walton |
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08.25.07 - 2:45 pm | #
Michael Ledeen in Rome (possibly for a new Iran document dump)
At the moment I am suffering, because just outside my window is a beggar who, insread of quietly begging, is playing (very badly) his accordion. He doesn't have a vast repertoire, and I have heard the lot half a dozen times by now. So I am going to take a walk, ending at his stand, and if he hasn't gotten enough, I'm going to try to pay him off...
P O'Neill |
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08.25.07 - 2:45 pm | #
I know if I were going to stalk you, I'd call myself mimi since that's your favorite word.
The great thing is that it sounds like "me me" AND it has an 'i.' It is the perfect NTodd word.
NTodd, Hungry For Mimi |
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08.25.07 - 2:45 pm | #
Tim Robbins did a good job on Real Time, but he supported Nader in 2000 so he fucked up too.
Rich |
08.25.07 - 2:46 pm | #
I was going to brag about sleeping with a republican, but decided discretion, etc.
Steve, is the Mr. Bean movie OK for 4-10 year olds who love the TV show?
ignoreland |
08.25.07 - 2:46 pm | #
I would eat dog if I was served dog so that I could later say I had eaten dog.
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 2:46 pm | #
NTodd, are you making fun of me and my "funny" accent again?
mimi |
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08.25.07 - 2:47 pm | #
Michael Ledeen is not in jail? My faith in the justice system has been damaged.
rootless2 |
08.25.07 - 2:47 pm | #
My future mother-in-law gave me a subscription the the National Review as a gift. I think it's called foreshadowing in novels.
spinoza Neque lugare, neque in |
08.25.07 - 2:47 pm | #
Rep. Brian Baird, is holding a Town Hall meeting on Monday. Now is the opportunity to express your concern about his recent comments on Iraq.
He told The Associated Press last week that we should stay in Iraq for "as long as it takes."1 Just yesterday he wrote an Op-Ed in the Seattle Times defending the White House's failed strategy in Iraq.2
Last March, Rep. Baird voted with the Democrats to force Bush to bring our troops home. Now he says he'll oppose timelines to bring our troops home from the unwinnable civil war in Iraq.
This Monday, you have the chance to ask him what changed his mind. Can you join other MoveOn members to ask Rep. Baird the tough questions about his new pro-war views?
What: Town Hall meeting with Rep. Baird
Where: Fort Vancouver High School Auditorium
5700 E. 18th St., Vancouver, WA
When: 7:00 pm on Monday, August 27th
pigboy |
08.25.07 - 2:48 pm | #
Walter, Walter, Walter... you've already been to New Zealand, how "more exotic than thou" can one guy get?
catalexis who ♥ Al Gore |
08.25.07 - 2:48 pm | #
Steve, is the Mr. Bean movie OK for 4-10 year olds who love the TV show?
ignoreland | 08.25.07 - 2:46 pm | #
I can't see why not...
Isaak Bashevis Walton |
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08.25.07 - 2:48 pm | #
NTodd, are you making fun of me and my "funny" accent again?
Nope. I love your accent. I'd totally hit it, especially since you're gorgeous and smart.
Too bad you need to brush up on your people skills as much as I do.
NTodd, Hungry For Mimi |
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08.25.07 - 2:48 pm | #
"Most people who are upset about killing dogs or letting them attack each other have at some point in their lives caught a fish, which is as extreme a form of murderous torture of an animal as I can imagine.."
see, I don't believe that catching a fish is murderous torture, but maybe I *want* to believe that.
I've caught the same fish:
1) on consecutive days,
2) within an hour or two of catching them the first time.
I was out fishing with a friend one day, hooked a fish and snapped off the fly, which my friend was able to retrieve when he caught the fish 20 minutes later.
i've only read of one study that concluded that fishing causes 'pain'. scientists injected acetic acid into the 'lips' of fish and observed their behavior(what are the ethics of injecting fish with acid, for cripesakes?)...they found the fish would grind their snouts into the gravel at the bottom of the stream, clearly distressed.
jdw |
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08.25.07 - 2:48 pm | #
And say...HOW'S CASTRO FEELING TODAY?
NTodd, Hungry For Mimi |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 2:49 pm | #
I'm also done with the "it's a cultural thing; you wouldn't understand' argument when it's applied to traditions such as: torturing animals, mutilating your daughter's genitalia, setting fire to your sister, stoning to death your gay son, beating the shit out of your toddler for crying, etc. etc. etc.
JeffCO
Amen!
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 2:49 pm | #
I would eat dog if I was served dog so that I could later say I had eaten dog.
My son once had trouble right a "confrontation scene" for a class.
I said, "Y'know, if we were stranded in a lifeboat, I'd say we would eat the dog in order to survive."
He said, "Over my dead body."
I said, "Then I'd have two big meals."
He stared at me and I said, "There's your confrontation scene."
Then I said, "Did you hear about the two cannibals eating a clown and one observed, does this taste funny to you?"
My son said, "Dad, you're fucking weird."
Darryl Pearce |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 2:49 pm | #
The perfect celebucrush would be Yvette Mimieux
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 2:49 pm | #
Tim Robbins did a good job on Real Time, but he supported Nader in 2000 so he fucked up too.
At the moment I am suffering, because just outside my window is a beggar who, insread of quietly begging, is playing (very badly) his accordion.
Ledeen, that's not a beggar. It's a street musician, you ass.
billy b - getsmyfunkfrompfunk |
08.25.07 - 2:49 pm | #
My comment to the O'Hanlon article over at WaPo:
Mr. O'Hanlon, at this time, it is CRITICAL that you sign up for military service IMMEDIATELY.
You need to grab a rifle and help out. www.goarmy.com
Thank you in advance for your service.
Gomez |
08.25.07 - 2:50 pm | #
Maybe if we inject acetic acid into Castro's lips, we'll determine if he's dead or not.
NTodd, Hungry For Mimi |
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08.25.07 - 2:50 pm | #
Too bad you need to brush up on your people skills as much as I do.
There's no i in oui.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:50 pm | #
I remember where I lost my virginity, who I was with and how old I was, but not the date. Does that count?
mer
Well, to be fair....I lost mine on the day Hank Aaron broke Babe Ruth's home run record.
Errr...is that Too Much Information?
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 2:51 pm | #
Maybe if we inject acetic acid into Castro's lips, we'll determine if he's dead or not.
I hope he's not like Rasputin!
Darryl Pearce |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 2:51 pm | #
That last Isaak Bashevis Walton post about how its okay to take youngsters to the Mr Bean movie was me.
I regret the error, blah blah.
steve simels |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 2:51 pm | #
This Monday, you have the chance to ask him what changed his mind.
Two words: warrantless wiretapping. Who do you think they're listening to? Sure ain't al Queda.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 2:52 pm | #
Speaking of NZ: My sisters will be invading these shores in a week or so. Ladies, lock up your men.
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 2:52 pm | #
My future mother-in-law gave me a subscription the the National Review as a gift. I think it's called foreshadowing in novels.
At this point, I think this calls for a Stand.
My son said, "Dad, you're fucking weird."
He has a point.
smalfish,beatnik |
08.25.07 - 2:52 pm | #
Maybe if we inject acetic acid into Castro's lips, we'll determine if he's dead or not.
No need to go that war.
Just see if his eyes follow the balloon.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 2:52 pm | #
There's no i in oui.>
There's no p in a oui oui.
spinoza Neque lugare, neque in |
08.25.07 - 2:52 pm | #
I apologize ahead of time, but I must vent.
It is finally a lovely, sunny Saturday afternoon and my 14 YO daughter's nazi youth, neocon male "friend" is texting O'Reilly talking points. GRRRRRRR. I must say I didn't prepare for this type of rebellion.
This is our future. I am frightened.
camelot |
08.25.07 - 2:52 pm | #
Long pig, with the right sauce....yeah, I could do it. We're all star stuff anyway. I'm feeling very small all of a sudden.
catalexis who ♥ Al Gore |
08.25.07 - 2:52 pm | #
I quit fishing after one I caught offered me three wishes to stop.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:52 pm | #
Maybe if we inject acetic acid into Castro's lips, we'll determine if he's dead or not.
Mirror under the nostrils. If it fogs up he's alive.
Gomez |
08.25.07 - 2:53 pm | #
Fishing is teh boring
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 2:54 pm | #
Whooooops -
No need to go that FAR.
Just see if [Castro's] eyes follow the balloon.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 2:54 pm | #
Errr...is that Too Much Information? Terry C
Only if you lost it *to* Hank Aaron.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:54 pm | #
There was an excellent albeit unintentional point made by Michelle Martin on the Maher clip. She asked Robbins at the very end, "Why does it have to be lying? Why can't they simply have been mistaken?" (with respect to either WMD or the nonexistent Osama-Iraq connection.) And Tim, bless his heart, was just sort of flummoxed, and said, "Well, it was an awful lot of fuck-up."
But in fact we know that it was not merely a mistake, it was deliberate lying: the forged Niger papers, the JudyJudyJudy aluminum tubes, and many other utterly false things known at the time to be false. Maher was right: the American people were suckered into this war. Not you, not me, and not the swine who have wanted this since before 2000, but those who with sincere, completely mistaken beliefs thought they were hitting back against the murderers of 9/11.
The Weekly Standard tool was rightly called out for maintaining with his last breath that there was a working relationship between Osama and Saddam. But in the end, Robbins seemed to me to have the winning line: Why are these (air quotes) experts still allowed to be called experts after they've gotten so much so wrong since forever?
David Derbes |
08.25.07 - 2:54 pm | #
I think Drudge has Castro in the dead pool.
stencil |
08.25.07 - 2:55 pm | #
i've only read of one study that concluded that fishing causes 'pain'. scientists injected acetic acid into the 'lips' of fish and observed their behavior(what are the ethics of injecting fish with acid, for cripesakes?)...they found the fish would grind their snouts into the gravel at the bottom of the stream, clearly distressed.
That was a foregone conclusion, no?
Reminds me of some of the experimental designs my R&D folks come up with.
billy b - getsmyfunkfrompfunk |
08.25.07 - 2:55 pm | #
"Then I said, "Did you hear about the two cannibals eating a clown and one observed, does this taste funny to you?"
My son said, "Dad, you're fucking weird."
"Speaking of NZ: My sisters will be invading these shores in a week or so. Ladies, lock up your men."
i can give ya my address, if they need to be occupied for a few hours...
jdw |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 2:56 pm | #
This is our future. I am frightened. camelot
Immediately establish family reading night, invite the kid, and make sure the first book is O'Reilly's creepy smutfest novel.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 2:56 pm | #
"Errr...is that Too Much Information?"
--Terry C
Well see, you have some significant date.
I do remember the time of day.
mer |
08.25.07 - 2:56 pm | #
Then I said, "Did you hear about the two cannibals eating a clown and one observed, does this taste funny to you?"
No worse than the joke about the cannibal who passed his grandmother in the woods....
Davis X. Machina, podagric |
08.25.07 - 2:57 pm | #
"Fishing is teh boring
WalterNeff "
that's like saying sex is boring. there's a ton of different forms of fishing, some of which bore me to tears, and others that don't...
jdw |
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08.25.07 - 2:57 pm | #
Re: Virginity loss.
I dunno, I was really drunk at the time.
smalfish,beatnik |
08.25.07 - 2:57 pm | #
I would lke to live in a universe where asshats like Stephen Hayes didn't get book contracts to write printed blow jobs of Dick Cheney.
fourlegsrgood, gots pitchfork |
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08.25.07 - 2:58 pm | #
"Fishing is teh boring
WalterNeff "
that's like saying sex is boring. there's a ton of different forms of fishing, some of which bore me to tears, and others that don't...
Okay, gotta go do stuff. Blogwhore alert: be advised that we go live on Oct 15. I'll post the very recognizable URL on or about Oct 10. Then, I suppose, WalterNeff will be no more.
WalterNeff | 10/15/07 |
08.25.07 - 2:59 pm | #
Out to mow.
Later, gang.
Be nice to mimi, little buddy.
billy b - getsmyfunkfrompfunk |
08.25.07 - 2:59 pm | #
"Speaking of NZ: My sisters will be invading these shores in a week or so. Ladies, lock up your men."
Seriously -- do you know what the Aussies say about women from NZ?
They bang like shithouse doors in a gale.
Let me know if they get anywhere near New Jersey,...
steve simels |
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08.25.07 - 2:59 pm | #
WalterNeff, you'll always be WalterNeff to me.
mer |
08.25.07 - 3:00 pm | #
Be nice to mimi, little buddy.
Only if she puts out.
NTodd, Hungry For Mimi |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:00 pm | #
We were never feeling bored, 'cause we were never being boring.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 3:01 pm | #
evening moonbats
feeling much better after a nap, I think the sun and the smoke from the BBQ made me feel quite headachy
now sipping a pleasant Sex on the Beach (Vodka, Peach Snapps, Cranberry Juice, Orange Juice and Pineapple Juice), its refreshing
Moonbootica, Graduate |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:01 pm | #
It's much too hot to work outside. Has been for the last two weeks.
mer |
08.25.07 - 3:01 pm | #
I will, as I do each time, mourn the passing of Walter Neff.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 3:02 pm | #
It's much too hot to work outside. Has been for the last two weeks.
Dog Days of summer, baybee!
smalfish,beatnik |
08.25.07 - 3:02 pm | #
He would have been a huge improvement over my ex-husband, trust me.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 3:03 pm | #
Boring is as boring does.
NTodd, Hungry For Mimi |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:03 pm | #
"Some people find fishing to be a boring activity.
What's wrong with that?
fourlegsrgood, gots pitchfork"
what i tried to say is that if you went fishing once and baited a hook and bobber and sat for hours watching the pond and found it incredibly boring... i'd probably agree. but there are other ways to fish that one might find quite exciting.
I don't think I mentioned that I've found myself unemployed as of yesterday morning.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 3:08 pm | #
My husband use to flyfish for trout up in the Smoky Mtn streams. He almost never caught anything, and if he did, he released it. I think it was more of a zen thing for him.
mer |
08.25.07 - 3:08 pm | #
have friends that like needlepoint, knitting, that kind of thing
I used to knit and do needlepoint myself.
Now, I fish instead.
Barndog, Farmed Out |
08.25.07 - 3:08 pm | #
My new love. Would you like to hear her sexy voice?
NTodd
Oh my, how did you get that?
ql-was in NY |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:09 pm | #
"I don't think I mentioned that I've found myself unemployed as of yesterday morning."
--Terry C
Oh dear, you have any prospects? Good luck.
mer |
08.25.07 - 3:09 pm | #
I don't think I mentioned that I've found myself unemployed as of yesterday morning.
Terry C
I don't think you have.
How do we feel about this?
SteveLG |
08.25.07 - 3:09 pm | #
think it was more of a zen thing for him
It really is, alot of the time. But, then you hook into a salmon, or steelhead, and all thought of that shit goes out the door.
Barndog, Farmed Out |
08.25.07 - 3:10 pm | #
I don't understand it. Busted my ass, worked from the time I came in till the time I went home, didn't take lunch three quarters of the time but the partners, who were both on vacation, left this fat ugly schlub of an associate who no one likes to give me the "news" the minute I got in yesterday morning.
The gal in the desk next to me takes two hour lunches and comes in late every day. The receptionist is the dumbest in creation. But they tell ME that "it's not working out."
WTF?
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 3:10 pm | #
The journalistic aristocracy doesn't take kindly to criticism.
FreshgravesforFriedman |
08.25.07 - 3:10 pm | #
There will still be EvilWalterNeff though, won't there?
catalexis who ♥ Al Gore |
08.25.07 - 3:10 pm | #
now sipping a pleasant Sex on the Beach (Vodka, Peach Snapps, Cranberry Juice, Orange Juice and Pineapple Juice), its refreshing
Moonbootica, Graduate | Homepage | 08.25.07 - 3:01 pm | #
Hey Moon -- I like your kitties...
I especially like the pix of them fighting...
steve simels |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:11 pm | #
A lot of arguments could be saved if people would say "thus and such bores me" rather than "thus and such is boring."
True, but it seems to me to be implied in a public forum like this. Is there really any difference between "Chimpy is colossal fuckup" and "IMO, Chimpy is a colossal fuckup?"
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 3:11 pm | #
Oh dear, you have any prospects? Good luck.
mer
I had interviews lined up anyway because I hated that place from the time I walked in there in March.
I only took the job because I had to.
I liked my last job, and I only lost that because the firm went under.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 3:11 pm | #
As proof of my sanity, I've never been ice fishing.
FreshgravesforFriedman |
08.25.07 - 3:12 pm | #
Oh my, how did you get that?
She called me and left 2 messages. If that isn't love, I don't know what is.
NTodd, Hungry For Mimi |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:12 pm | #
now sipping a pleasant Sex on the Beach (Vodka, Peach Snapps, Cranberry Juice, Orange Juice and Pineapple Juice), its refreshing
Moonbootica, Graduate |
Oh lordy, child, you are so going to pay for that - and soon. I'm really beginning to wonder about English tastebuds - after managing to forget the horrible incident involving warm clam juice mixed with tomato juice, served as a 'cocktail'. (No, not Clamato. Warm clam juice drained off of warm clams.)
.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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08.25.07 - 3:13 pm | #
WTF? Terry C
That sucks. You never know whether it's something you did or didn't do, or whether it's some way for them to save money, or someone's nephew needed a job, or who knows what.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 3:13 pm | #
Anyhoo, the interviews I had scheduled I just moved up.
One is Monday morning at 10:00. Right down the hall from this place I just got canned at.
When I spoke to the hiring partner over there and told him what happened, he said "No wonder they can't keep anyone. Come in and see me on Monday morning. We'll see what we can do."
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 3:13 pm | #
As proof of my sanity, I've never been ice fishing.
FreshgravesforFriedman
I'd go ice fishing in a minute if I had the opportunity.
Buzz Bomb |
08.25.07 - 3:14 pm | #
That sucks. You never know whether it's something you did or didn't do, or whether it's some way for them to save money, or someone's nephew needed a job, or who knows what.
JeffCO
I called and registered for unemployment right then and there, and both my kids are working. They said they'd help me out.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 3:15 pm | #
My new love. Would you like to hear her sexy voice?
NTodd
Oh my, how did you get that?
ql-was in NY | Homepage | 08.25.07 - 3:09 pm | #
I'm missing something, obviously.
Who is this Mimi person, and what is her relation to NTodd?
steve simels |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:15 pm | #
As proof of my sanity, I've never been ice fishing.
FreshgravesforFriedman
As proof of my Insanity I have, Sodus Bay NY - a long time ago.
Elfego Baca |
08.25.07 - 3:15 pm | #
She called me and left 2 messages. If that isn't love, I don't know what is.
I thought that was annie butler?
smalfish,beatnik |
08.25.07 - 3:15 pm | #
Terry C-
Good luck. If you need a recommendation I am sure mer and I could write a *damned* good one.
spinoza, FirstAgainstTheWall |
08.25.07 - 3:15 pm | #
Sex on the beach is a legit highball cocktail as far as I know
Moonbootica, Graduate |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:16 pm | #
Ice fishing is code for getting drunk outside in winter.
Barndog, Farmed Out |
08.25.07 - 3:16 pm | #
When I spoke to the hiring partner over there and told him what happened, he said "No wonder they can't keep anyone. Come in and see me on Monday morning. We'll see what we can do."
Mimi. And Mimi.
NTodd, Hungry For Mimi |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:17 pm | #
What pisses me off is that if there WAS a problem, they could have called me in and talked to me.
Nooooooooo. They got on vacation and tell this blob to do their dirty work for them.
Like I said, no one likes this guy. He talks to opposing counsel like their trash, his letters to them are condescending and insulting, and he's a slob.
He expects secretaries to be his personal slaves and none of us there would do it.
It'll come back to bite them.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 3:17 pm | #
This shows how important blogs are. Without blogs would this information be available to people like Tim Robbins would get on these shows? The wingnut machine has been disseminating their talking points for a long time, finally the blogosphere is an entity which can compete. Keep up the good work!
bajsa, dfh |
08.25.07 - 3:17 pm | #
my mum has this great cocktail book which features classic cocktails and a modern twist on them.
heh last christmas my sister got be a beautifully illustrated cocktail book, too pretty to use lol very much for display
Moonbootica, Graduate |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:17 pm | #
Sorry - like they're trash
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 3:17 pm | #
I've gotten various cocktail themed pressies over the years
a set of six Martini glasses, am ice crusher, cocktail utensils, 2 cocktail shakers
Moonbootica, Graduate |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:20 pm | #
May their practice fail.
Didn't you say they were wingers?
Fuck 'em.
fourlegsrgood, gots pitchfork
They're not wingers, but they're assholes.
Apparently, they like to make one person do the work of three and pay them shit.
I was the fourth person in seven months in that job. They're not going to keep anyone in that job at the rate they're going.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 3:21 pm | #
fourlegsrgood:
Maddie's tongue cracks me up...
steve simels |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:22 pm | #
I usually don't have that much trouble finding another job.
I hope that's the case this time.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 3:22 pm | #
Mimi is a lovely expat who lives in Switzerland. Quite intelligent and has an interesting point of view. Until she melts down and starts calling everyone names. I'm a lonely old lady with no friends, Molly a sot by virtue of being Irish, and she's attacked three or four others.
ql-was in NY |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:22 pm | #
Mimi doesn't want a "hard" time? What kind of a woman is she?
smalfish,beatnik |
08.25.07 - 3:22 pm | #
a set of six Martini glasses, am ice crusher, cocktail utensils, 2 cocktail shakers
Moonbootica, Graduate
"Shaken, not stirred!"
Bond, James Bond |
08.25.07 - 3:22 pm | #
Until she melts down and starts calling everyone names. I'm a lonely old lady with no friends, Molly a sot by virtue of being Irish, and she's attacked three or four others.
ql-was in NY
Oh, but she's a SUPERMODEL who has multiple degrees!
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 3:23 pm | #
Mimi doesn't want a "hard" time? What kind of a woman is she?
The kind who finds it safer to express interest in a guy a continent away.
JeffCO |
08.25.07 - 3:24 pm | #
I was the fourth person in seven months in that job. They're not going to keep anyone in that job at the rate they're going.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs | 08.25.07 - 3:21 pm | #
Sorry to hear about your trouble, kiddo.
I'm sending good thoughts your way...
steve simels |
Homepage |
08.25.07 - 3:25 pm | #
Terry C - sounds like it sucked anyway. And it sounds like you're heading for a light landing. Nonetheless, we're all sending our best vibes to you.
ignoreland |
08.25.07 - 3:25 pm | #
We don't have ponds in Texas. We have Stock Tanks.
smalfish,beatnik
Yes - you also have sloughs.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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08.25.07 - 3:26 pm | #
Terry C - sounds like it sucked anyway. And it sounds like you're heading for a light landing. Nonetheless, we're all sending our best vibes to you.
ignoreland
I AM concerned with paying my mortage...since my fucking mortgage company was nice enough to jack my monthly payment up by $110 a month in May.
Assholes!
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 3:28 pm | #
The fourth person in 7 months?
Now that's fucked up.
fourlegsrgood, gots pitchfork
Something of a clue, I'd think.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Didn't know that till I got in there.
I came in to a three week backlog in scheduling (which I hate doing) and a shitload of dictation tapes that were allowed to sit there for a month.
These people never heard of temps.
Terry C - Wingers R Whackjobs |
08.25.07 - 3:29 pm | #
Bush changed everything.
No doubt, but the Nader supporters in 2000 helped enable him.
Rich |
08.25.07 - 4:22 pm | #
Whats her name asked Robbins why it had to be a lie not just a mistake.
Well, maybe because it was pretty fucking OBVIOUS they were lying?
I mean, I remember before the war seeing how Bush ordered the inspectors out... and the inspectors were asking to be allowed to stay in... and shortly after he ordered them out, he made a speech saying we had to invade because SADDAM wouldn't let inspectors in...
and I'm screaming at my TV set "You fucking LIAR!!!" Wondering why none of the news people pointed this out... and not believing I was watching all of this happen right before my very eyes. Watching an administration blatantly lie us into war.
And that was just one of the lies. A minor one compared to others.
craig |
08.25.07 - 4:40 pm | #
Terry-
Being fired sucks.
Being fired by assholes who didn't deserve the great job you were doing for them sucks X 2.
Best of luck in landing a new (and, no doubt, way better) gig.
doggril |
08.25.07 - 5:48 pm | #
In fairness, he says that there should be a law, not that there is.
jmags |
08.25.07 - 7:11 pm | #
Republicans just can't seem to stop lying.
If Saddam Hussein had been buddy-buddy with Osama bin Laden, then why weren't there any Iraqis among the 9/11 hijackers? Why hasn't any of the money that financed the 9/11 hijackers been traced back to Iraq? Why didn't Hussein let al Qaeda terrorist recruits and trainees pass through Iraq on the their way to and from al Qaeda's terrorist training camps in Afghanistan?
No matter what Cheney's autobiographer claims, I have a hard time believing that the secular dictator, Saddam Hussein, would have had anything at all to do with a bunch of religious fundamentalist nutjobs, especially ones that wanted nothing more than to see Hussein killed so that Iraq could be turned into a shariah-hugging Islamic Republic.
Which is why the additional claim that Saddam Hussein would have given any WMD he might have still possessed to a bunch of religious killers, who wanted to kill him, does not make sense either.
So, I'm glad Tim Robbins dressed down Stephen Hayes on Friday night. Hayes was just spouting pre-Iraq War neo-con Republican talking points, based on fraudulent pre-war "intelligence" provided to the Bush administration, and Cheney, by Iraqi exiles who hated Saddam Hussein as much as leaders of al Qaeda did.
In other words, Hussein would have had as much of a "working relationship" with the Iraqi exiles as the Iraqi exiles claimed he had with al Qaeda...zilch.
The Oracle |
08.25.07 - 7:54 pm | #
I guess I must live in the same parallel universe as Mr. Robbins.
bshock |
08.26.07 - 12:51 pm | #