I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

GravatarOh oh


GravatarI called sheets


GravatarThat's good for Dems. Right?


GravatarWho called sheets without a frist?


GravatarI did. Nothing clever to say


GravatarI think you meant "pissing OFF" Liberals...your phrase makes me imagine a steady stream of tiny liberals falling down a stream from a huge Conservative member!

Try using spellcheck occasionally...


GravatarNotice Atroits how silent simels has become. Is he thinking or is he jacking off.? Or both?


GravatarThe repubs could fall of their swords for besmirching their own and their country's honor.

Oh, I forgot, they have no honor, nor the courage to do this.


GravatarThe Repigs will never admit that they backed a loser for eight years.


Gravatarspellcheck wouldn't catch "of."


Gravatara huge Conservative member



There IS no such thing!!!!!!!!


GravatarAll of these jag-off pundits were even talking about how Bush would get some "sympathy bounce" in the polls in the waning days of his reign.

All the way up to 28%! Were these clods all hypnotized by Bill Kristol? Sucks to be wrong so often.


Gravatardt'd:

Hey, Moe, do the interns have any ideas or theories regarding the online thing? Do they expect print to provide them jobs?

Well, you see, that's just it--only a very few people have figured out how to make an on-line paper work, financially. And even the most successful I know of, only six people are employed. My paper is investing a hell of a lot of money, and even more time, to try to figure these things out, and we've got a new thing rolling out next year, but it's still going to be dependent on the paper version.

So, at this point, most j students realize they're going to be working for old fashioned newspapers, or give up and go the PR route. Here in Canada, the very best of them will eventually work for the ceeb, where they'll get good pay and bennies doing radio (mostly), but even they're cutting back, relying more on freelancers.

Things aren't looking good for the industry.


Gravatar(to the tune of a popular WWII barracks ditty)

Petzold, has only got one ball,

Butler, has two, but VERY small.

TCBean, not to be mean, but he has no balls, that he calls his own.


Gravatarwagonjak. 'of' is a perfectly cromulent word.


GravatarAmericans need a "sympathy bounce," not fucking Bush.


GravatarFrom below:

And I hope Bush stays the hell home that day.
Terry C - Awaiting 1/20/09 |

I would love it if Obama would verbally rip Bush a new asshole as they ride together from the White House to the Capital for the oath of office.
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It's just me again!


I think Obama would be too worried about Bush throwing up on him.

Because you KNOW Chimpy is going to show up BLITZED.


GravatarDoes anyone want to hear what happened after the knightly battles, which I won every one and I was brought before the king as the victor. Then he announced to all at the arena that I was number one and I was so happy and proud. The king brought me before him and after compliments he told the queen to take care of me. Well that's where it all went wrong.


GravatarThe "Bush kept us safe" is their fire ax on the wall. If something like another terrorist attack occurs during Obama's tenure (no matter how small) the "Bush kept us safe" and look what Obama's election 'caused' will be repeated ad nauseum.
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GravatarDo not underestimate the fundies and extreme conservative wing of the GOP -- a la Huckers. They are staying with a positive everything -- Chambliss, Coleman trying to constantly paint himself leading in MN. It is a solid go-to base. Their problems include numbers compared to the OBAMA GOVOTE and machine and the idea people are mostly hanging on from the Rockefeller (Nelson) wing. We've seen the govote work. But you also watching Obama try to bring in some of the smarter, moderate GOP people. Not necessarily inside his camp, but more as partners. I like it. But I do agree that Nooners and the knuckledraggers (Queen Palin?) are grasping at straws with very short fingers.


GravatarAmericans need a "sympathy bounce," not fucking Bush.
Cookie Fleck '08


I'd like to bounce Bush off the nearest wall.


GravatarHell, the Repigs still defend Nixon, and have successfully completed their hagiography of Reagan, of course they'll defend Dubya 'til their dying day...


Gravatar"Bush kept us safe"



Like he did on 9/11/01?

That's MY response to that bullshit.


GravatarThe Gypsy told me to put 2 pink conch shells on my back porch and they would "keep my backyard safe" from Bengal Tigers. So far it has worked Great!


GravatarHell, the Repigs still defend Nixon, and have successfully completed their hagiography of Reagan, of course they'll defend Dubya 'til their dying day...
DuaneV, Wittol


They don't know any better.


Gravatar"pissing of liberals"
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yes, it's become that tedious


GravatarShit...I need to do some housework. Later.


Gravatarbush will clearly go down in history as our best and most popular president ever.


GravatarBengal Tigers
--

What, you went before the square and swore you were afraid of them? But you're a knight...


GravatarThe Delusion and Assholeyness of Chicken Caesar:

Delusion: "I done great in the Middle East"
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Bush said his administration has been "ambitious in vision, bold in action and firm in purpose" — although not always popular — in its approach to the volatile region. ...

Bush proclaimed that the Mideast was a freer, more hopeful place today than it was when he took office in 2001.
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Yes, I'm sure the million dead Iraqis don't disagree with you, George.

Assholeyness
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Campers may now pack heat along with their sleeping bags when they travel to national parks.

The Bush administration on Friday struck down federal regulations banning loaded guns in most national forests, a move that was widely seen as a parting shot on behalf of the National Rifle Association.

The ruling overturned a 25-year-old federal regulation severely restricting concealed firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges. The new rule, which would take effect in January, would apparently allow anyone who already has a concealed weapons permit in his or her state to also tote a gun in federal parks within state boundaries.
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Thanks, I feel so much safer. Nothing like running into a drunk gunner in the back country spice up your wilderness adventure.


Gravatarbush failed to keep us safe as a strategy to show how much we needed him to keep us safe.


GravatarFinally - Fuckwad in Philly:
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Earlier in the day, Bush got a look at how history will remember him — at least in one artist's view — as he presided over the unveiling of his portrait at a private club.

"Welcome to my hanging," Bush said, drawing laughs from the well-dressed audience in The Union League's ornate hall.
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We should be so fucking lucky. May I suggest the cupola on Independence Hall?


GravatarThe "Bush kept us safe" is their fire ax on the wall. If something like another terrorist attack occurs during Obama's tenure (no matter how small) the "Bush kept us safe" and look what Obama's election 'caused' will be repeated ad nauseum.


Never mind the fact that if another terrorist attack occurs on U.S. soil, the Bushies will probably have engineered it. Other things that never happened during either Bush term, for which he should be given credit:

1) Another Ice Age
2) Martian Invasion
3) Meteors Striking Earth
4) Supernova of Sun
5) Capture of Bin Laden
6) Successful Anthrax Attacks investigation


GravatarAre we going to have to suffer through Congressional proclamations from both sides of the aisle putting a nice spin on the past eight years of Dubya's reign as we get closer to January 20th?


GravatarThe Union League


There's a real fascist organization.


Gravatarbush failed to keep us safe as a strategy to show how much we needed him to keep us safe.
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Is that the same thing as defining everything as a threat in order to justify your existence?


Gravatarbush failed to keep us safe as a strategy to show how much we needed him to keep us safe.
NTodd on the Q

Makes sense. Since he hasn't caught Bin Laden yet, we'd better give him a third term.


GravatarOkay, I'm off to the city for an evening of elitist chardonnay with my communist negro pals.

Talk to you all on the morrow, and if you'd like to leave a comment over at Box Office -- Theme: Greatest Screen Performances That Should Have Gotten an Oscar But Didn't -- I wouldn't be irked.
http://boxoffice.com/blogs/steve...nia-spec- 24.php

Later, gators.


Gravatar"Welcome to my hanging,"


I had impaling in mind.


Gravatarwe shouldn't change horses midstream. obama was a mistake.


GravatarI'm sure we'll be able to find Bush on some golfcourse somewhere, still searching for the "real killers", after the inaugeration. At least O.J. won't be there with him.


GravatarThe mistake was Poppy Bush not pulling out.


GravatarI'm Still Tortured by What I Saw in Iraq by Matthew Alexander.
A must-read, referenced in Digby's post.


Gravatar3) Meteors Striking Earth

er, meteors hit the earth every day. Lots of them.


Bush failed to stop them!


GravatarChimpy is a afraid of horses.


GravatarBush failed to stop them! - Moe Szyslak

But he directed the last big one to hit Canada!


Gravatarer, meteors hit the earth every day. Lots of them.


Bush failed to stop them!
Moe Szyslak, eiditer

I meant the big one.


GravatarTCBean, not to be mean, but he has no balls, that he calls his own.
Chris Tucker: GOP Delenda Est!


Haven't seen him since the Election.

I wish the others would stay away, too.


GravatarWith 44 days left, I wouldn't be altogether optimistic a Martian invasion doesn't happen.


GravatarChimpy is a afraid of horses.
Terry C - Awaiting 1/20/09

Horses hate assholes.


GravatarThe Repugs won't make any mention of the fact that Bush has been a FABULOUS recruiting tool for Al Qaeda.


GravatarThings aren't looking good for the industry.

I keep hearing that, and I believe it, but I noticed over at First Draft, Athenae (or rather, Mr. Athenae) has a somewhat contrary view.


GravatarStatistically speaking, you've got more of a chance of dying in a world-ending meteor strike than in an airplane crash.


GravatarWith 44 days left, I wouldn't be altogether optimistic a Martian invasion doesn't happen.
Telegram Sam

Dick Cheney's in his undisclosed location, coordinating the alien invasion as we speak!


GravatarThe best thing about getting into shape. Your pants fit you snug allover except the waist.


GravatarStatistically speaking, you've got more of a chance of dying in a world-ending meteor strike than in an airplane crash.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer

That's...Not exactly comforting..


GravatarChimpy is afraid of horses.
Terry C - Awaiting 1/20/09

Horses hate assholes.
DuaneV, Wittol |


Most critters do.


Gravatarronjazz,
i'm putting together a rhythm section so that hs concert choir kids can sing some standards with us at a feb event. Have enough fake books so i've got lotsa stuff...what would you select?


Gravatar"Going forward, they just don't know else to do. Such habits die hard."

Ah, but they *can* unify around one thing: opposing Obama, even while they have no consistent counterphilosophy...that's never been a problem for them anyway.

It will be funny though, watching the crackup while they reinvent themselves.


Gravatar I noticed over at First Draft, Athenae (or rather, Mr. Athenae) has a somewhat contrary view.
dave™©


Well, I was talking from the perspective of the reporters, and soon-to-be reporters. He's right: most of the workaday papers in small cities across the continent are pulling in 20, 30 percent profits. But they do that by dumbing down their editorial departments, not investing in them.

When does a newspaper stop being a newspaper? Is the Metro chain really a newspaper? Or is it an ad sheet? Frankly, I have more respect for my buddy who publishes a weekly ad sheet, no editorial copy whatsoever.


GravatarRumors have been swirling around again that there will be a big lay off at my place of work on Monday morning. There might be something to this. In the past when corporate officers visited our place, you'd get an email to make sure you cubical, lab, or work space was clean and tidy. Last week there were several meeting with top officers including the head of HR, with no such notice. They had some late night closed door meetings.

Oh well, there have a been a few interesting job ads that have made their way into my email box, that I think I'd be qualified for if the worst happens.


GravatarI sincerely hope the GOP continues to parade Sarah Palin around with the same frequency they continue to defend the Bush record. As we slide deeper into a depression, such a strategy can only work well for the Democrats...


Gravatarer, meteors hit the earth every day. Lots of them.

If it reachs the ground then it's a 'meteorite'
As in Bush got knocked on his ass by a meteorite!
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GravatarGood luck Doug.

At least the Market is munching the trickle downers

see http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/


GravatarBYOB is an acronym most commonly meant to stand for "bring your own booze." The term "booze" is slang for alcoholic drinks. BYOB may also be defined as "bring your own beer" or "bring your own bottle." It is also commonly used to mean "bring your own beef" at a barbecue


GravatarAnd in jack's case, it means "Bring Your Own Bullshit."


GravatarHe's right: most of the workaday papers in small cities across the continent are pulling in 20, 30 percent profits. But they do that by dumbing down their editorial departments, not investing in them.

Oh, I agree. It's really fucking ridiculous, though, for the publishers and the owners to be wringing their hands over the "death" of newspapers when, at the same time they're raking in big profits. Instead of slashing your staff, maybe you should be reinvesting in a bigger staff. Instead of shutting down state capitol bureaus, shouldn't you be expanding them?

Maybe, instead of coming up with all these "internet-only" features, you should offer the basic paper online, and make those "special features" PRINT only. Maybe offer special links for subscribers (or a day-pass for regular readers that buy it at the bus stop) that gives them more intricate, in-depth coverage of a boring issue.


GravatarBYOB is often placed on an invitation to indicate that the host will not be providing alcohol and that guests are welcome to bring their own. It is also frequently used by regular bars, restaurants, or strip clubs which do not have licenses to serve liquor or alcoholic beverages in general; an alternate term for this is brownbagging.


GravatarAnother business indicator;
In the past even if they did not get contracts, there was a steady stream of prototype requests going through the model shop. Most did not end up as sales but many did. The model shop guys have been standing around for the last month other than one small job. There still are some ongoing projects, so the rest of the place is busy. I don't know the accounting numbers other than what's been in reports like the SEC 10K, but those collections of numbers always lag quite a long time behind what's actually going on. Maybe this company has made the mistake of basing their financial models on constant growth, which is not likely in the near future.


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GravatarTerry, regrettably, TCB: Stumpbroke & Steercotted will no doubt reappear, once Obama is President and does something that really pisses off the wingnuts.

My only regret is that I began referring to it as 'Stumpbroke & Steercotted' so late in the game. Had I only known I irritated it so badly, I would have been doing it from the day of its first appearance.

BTW, googling "steercotted", the first hit is one of my comments, here. The first words are:

"Texaschilebean: Stumpbroke & Steercotted..."


GravatarI just need the key, and the recall code.

Have you got them handy, sir?


GravatarMaybe, instead of coming up with all these "internet-only" features, you should offer the basic paper online, and make those "special features" PRINT only. Maybe offer special links for subscribers (or a day-pass for regular readers that buy it at the bus stop) that gives them more intricate, in-depth coverage of a boring issue.
dave™©


Yea, well, there you go.

I'd also like to see some cooperative papers, and some union funding of papers. The biggest problem right now is access to a printing press for a start-up.


GravatarIn Hong Kong, BYOB is abbreviated as Bring Your Own Bag, an environmental public service announcement campaign in the 1990s to encourage people to keep the use of plastic shopping bags to a minimum.


GravatarAtrios has the stupidest fucking trolls in the universe.


GravatarDon't mention 'Nam

Q When you look at these young players, and the seniors, and you know that they enrolled in the academies after 9/11, what does that say about them?

THE PRESIDENT: I stand in awe of somebody who would volunteer to serve America in a time of danger. It says that we are blessed to have people of such character in our country.


GravatarModern Drunkard Magazine is a sporadically released glossy color periodical promoting the "functional alcoholic's" lifestyle. Created in 1996, it has slowly gained notoriety, and currently enjoys a circulation of roughly 50,000.


GravatarMaybe, instead of coming up with all these "internet-only" features, you should offer the basic paper online, and make those "special features" PRINT only. Maybe offer special links for subscribers (or a day-pass for regular readers that buy it at the bus stop) that gives them more intricate, in-depth coverage of a boring issue.
dave™©


I disagree. I think what they need is a wider variety of voices from the Heritage Foundation and the CEI.


GravatarAtrios has the stupidest fucking trolls in the universe.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer | Homepage | 12.06.08 - 3:10 pm | # [kill]​


The most pointless, anyway. I think the stupidest are at Deltoid, or maybe Think Progress.


GravatarThe biggest problem right now is access to a printing press for a start-up.

You know the SF Kronk is "outsourcing" their printing to a Canadian company? A specific tactic, apparently, to bust their printers' union...


GravatarChimpy does Groucho Marx

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/sl...1129482593.jpg/


GravatarI think what they need is a wider variety of voices from the Heritage Foundation and the CEI.

To a point, this, amazingly enough, is the SF Kronk's "plan": be MORE conservative!


GravatarAtrios has the stupidest fucking trolls in the universe.


A true fact until Atrios started sounding just like one of them with his 'deep thought' of the day. Now what do you say?


GravatarYou know the SF Kronk is "outsourcing" their printing to a Canadian company?

Transcontinental?


GravatarWhat Chimpy thought Preznitting would always be about

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/sl...e391783ddb9d3c/


GravatarYou know the SF Kronk is "outsourcing" their printing to a Canadian company? A specific tactic, apparently, to bust their printers' union...
dave™© | Homepage | 12.06.08 - 3:14 pm | # [kill]​[hide comment]


The antibiotics I'm taking were made in Mumbai. Hadn't ever seen that on pharmaceutical packaging before.

I guess it leaves 'em with more $$$ for marketing drugs directly to consumers, so it's win-win.


GravatarAtrios has the stupidest fucking trolls in the universe.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer | Homepage | 12.06.08 - 3:10 pm | #


Okay Moe, it's Atrois' fault. He has the worst trolls. Why the fuck are you here then? What does that say about you? I will tell you. You are admitting to being one of the stupidest fucking person in the universe. That's what you accused Atrois of, and you are still here, so that's what you, your ownself is.


GravatarI'm guessing that the Naval Academy has had an easier time of it these past years.


GravatarA true fact until Atrios started sounding just like one of them with his 'deep thought' of the day. Now what do you say?
capitol | 12.06.08 - 3:16 pm | # [kill]​[hide comment]


BYOB.


Gravatarjack hates waking up alone on weekends, especially.


GravatarAtrois.
Jesus, at least spell his fake name correctly.


Gravatar(o)(o)


GravatarJesus, at least spell his fake name correctly.
MP | 12.06.08 - 3:19 pm | # [kill]​[hide comment]


It's actually an anagram for "satori." Just one of the many anti-Christian messages he sneaks in.


GravatarOh and by the way. I have been gone for awhile, the trouble with the evil queen and all.

But Moe, is it true that you do all the cooking and cleaning? You make your wife breakfast every day? You keep quiet on the weekends so she can sleep?

Moe, is it true that you are just the best house husband ever?


Gravatar


GravatarSunny von Bulow RIP.


GravatarYou could probably take half of Atrios' 'deep thoughts' and sign them with a 4 letter 'jack' nym and no one would notice a damn's worth of difference.


GravatarSunny von Bulow RIP.
leibniz


Wow, there's a blast from the past.


Gravatarrallying in support of and defending whatever the hell George Bush
was doing that week. Going forward, they just don't know else to do. Such habits die hard.


They should stick with that.


Gravatar"Texaschilebean: Stumpbroke & Steercotted..."
Chris Tucker: GOP Delenda Est!


What does that mean, Chris Tucker? It sounds funny and I've had many a chuckle over it as TCB has sputtered and fumed in response, but what's the genesis of it?


GravatarWow, there's a blast from the past.
Gromit | 12.06.08 - 3:23 pm | # [kill]​[hide comment]


I didn't even know she was sick.


GravatarObama has never proven that he didn't kill Sunny Von Bulow.

Or that he isn't actually Sunny Von Bulow.


GravatarTranscontinental?

Yep.

Here's a press release. Apparently, the new presses will be working just as the Kronk's contract with their current printers expires.

Of course, Kronk president Frank Vega is a well-known unionbuster...


GravatarYou could probably take half of Atrios' 'deep thoughts' and sign them with a 4 letter 'jack' nym and no one would notice a damn's worth of difference.
capitol | 12.06.08 - 3:23 pm | # [kill]​[hide comment]


I think people would probably notice a difference in intent.


GravatarModern Drunkard Magazine is a sporadically released glossy color periodical promoting the "functional alcoholic's" lifestyle. Created in 1996, it has slowly gained notoriety, and currently enjoys a circulation of roughly 50,000.
sharp

The automatic renewal clause is tailor-made for this demographic.


GravatarThe antibiotics I'm taking were made in Mumbai. Hadn't ever seen that on pharmaceutical packaging before.

But God forbid you get your prescriptions from Canada! They could be DANGEROUS!!!


GravatarEarth: I'd hit it.


GravatarI as a knighted knight of the semi square table, I demand of Moe, Is he a mouse or is he a man? Does he make breakfast for his wife every day? Does he make dinner for her, on the days she's not working that is?

If so, there is nothing wrong with that. Moe, there is nothing wrong with being a cowering house husband.


GravatarObama has never proven that he didn't kill Sunny Von Bulow.

Or that he isn't actually Sunny Von Bulow.
Culture of TrÜth

Come to think of it, he's never proven he didn't mail those anthrax letters...


GravatarStreet signs tell you that you are somewhere with an interesting history.

Bernardo O'Higgins Boulevard
Enrique Mac Iver Street


GravatarPhila -- you any better?


GravatarCome to think of it, he's never proven he didn't mail those anthrax letters...

Where was he on November 22, 1963?

I'm sure he could walk. Why the big mystery???


Gravatardave™©-- Transcontinental bought one of the two local dailies here, including their printing press. Closed down the paper, and started a Metro franchise.

We had been getting our paper printed there, and so we went to court to get an injunction preventing the sale until they agreed to print all potential competitors.

This all happened just two months after I was hired. They put over 100 people out of work, and lots of them would've wanted my job...


GravatarGROMIT GOTS INTERNET!


GravatarModern Drunkard Magazine is a sporadically released glossy color periodical promoting the "functional alcoholic's" lifestyle. Created in 1996

Shame Bukowski didn't live to see that.


GravatarOr they can just try to rewrite history.

As Rachel pointed out last night.


Gravatar

GravatarGROMIT GOTS INTERNET!
Virginia, no, I'm working!


I do, indeed. Didja see me wave when I flew over last night?


GravatarOff to the gym. See ya later.


GravatarObama killed the dinosaurs.


GravatarSarah Palin off ramp.


GravatarSitting in the lobby of the Plaza San Francisco hotel, drinking cafe latte. Which came with cookies. And a glass of mineral water.

Dr Mrs Gromit is off on a bus tour of the city. I did mine by foot, on account of driving around the city makes me frow up.


GravatarDude, we got very little, no one gives us a dealio, but Babe we are in the game. Top that motherfuckers. We are in the game.


GravatarIs Mumbai the city formerly known as Bombay?

I call BS. You can't just go and change your name midstream like Beijing/Peking.


GravatarBush has kept us safe from terrorism and staved on the Clinton recession as long as he could until the Obama recession started.


Gravatar3:30 on a Saturday afternoon. We have 51 visitors. We used to have over a thousand.


GravatarYou wants cheezeburgers, we haz the spreadz.


Gravatar3:30 on a Saturday afternoon. We have 51 visitors. We used to have over a thousand.
Sir lance of all lances


Most liberals have a life.


GravatarPhila -- you any better?
Virginia, no, I'm working! | 12.06.08 - 3:28 pm | # [kill]​


Eh, I dunno. Neck is still all swollen up, with no end in sight. Can't tell you how sick I am of it!

On the other hand, it's not as swollen as it was a week or two ago, I don't think. So onwards and upwards, I guess....

Thanks for asking!


GravatarI call BS. You can't just go and change your name midstream like Beijing/Peking.
MP

Well, no matter how many urbanist posts Atrios does, I'll ultimately decide if New Amsterdam is in my best interests.


GravatarWhy'd they I can't say.
Guess they liked it better that way.


GravatarWell, I am always Le Jackel, I trust you can discern.


Gravatar3:30 on a Saturday afternoon. We have 51 visitors. We used to have over a thousand.
Sir lance of all lances


Yeah, I remember that. That was back when I had a million dollars in gold and a pony and my own TV show.

Those were the days, alright....


GravatarI wrote this in response to the Digby post.Maybe Peggy Noonan could have a discussion with Richard Clarke.

Let's say that in September 2009 there is a terrorist attack in a major city.

Obama has only been in office eight months. Who is responsible for not stopping it? Obama of course (just like Bush was...)

The reason they are working this "kept us safe" story is that THEY are anticipating the attack and preparing the message.

Anticipating events and preparing the message that will be used in those events is part of what people like Noonan do. Their loyalty is to Republicans and NOT to the safety of the entire country. They just want to have a message ready, they don't have to do any actual protecting.

Just like the PNAC, they are anticipating an attack and figuring out how they will use it to seize power. They will use the fear card as they always have.

So what is our counter message?

I think we should start talking about the next attack too and WHY it will happen. So that it will not be about Obama's failure to keep us safe but Bush's success in creating tens of thousands of new terrorists who have reasons to hate us more just because of "our freedoms". They hate us because we killed, tortured or imprisoned them for no good reason.

Also I think we should be prepared to show that contrary to the RW views all the torture and spying did not help stop or capture the people who will be committing this next terror attack. The reason to prepare this is because if they attack under Obama the right will claim it is because Obama stopped warrantless spying or Obama stopped torture or closed Gitmo.

I can hear it now, "If only Obama hadn't closed Gitmo and stopped us from "harsh interrogations" we could have caught these people who (insert terrorist act here)."
The Right will have their message for the next attack. What will our message be?


GravatarOr they can just try to rewrite history.

As Rachel pointed out last night.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants

They started doing that their first week in office.


GravatarMost liberals have a life.
Buzz Bomb | 12.06.08 - 3:33 pm |


What are you saying Buzz Bomb? Because liberals have a life we only have 49 visitors today when we used to have a thousand. If you are right today then why did we have more than a thousand before? What were they doing here?


Gravatar3:30 on a Saturday afternoon. We have 51 visitors. We used to have over a thousand.
Sir lance of all lances


Pony porno was the in thing then.


GravatarThe reason to prepare this is because if they attack under Obama the right will claim it is because Obama stopped warrantless spying or Obama stopped torture or closed Gitmo.

Unfortunately, this is why I doubt Obama will actually do any of these things anytime soon....


GravatarThere was great suspense and excitement during the runup to the election. Much of that has dissipated.


GravatarAnd Buzz Bomb, because you are here you are admitting that you have no life.

Too bad.


GravatarLiberals are out doing our patriotic duty to shop and buy needless consumer products.

Most of those here are just temporarily financially destitute, or have already contributed to the economy with gargantuan holiday purchases.

QED, asshole.


Gravatar
Most of those here are just temporarily financially destitute, or have already contributed to the economy with gargantuan holiday purchases.


Don't forget the sick and/or lazy! We do our part, too.


GravatarTwitter dude, the homies are all still there.


GravatarThe Right will have their message for the next attack. What will our message be?
spockobama


Oh crap. Most every retired general wants that gulag shut down.

It makes US military foreign initiatives unbelievably more difficult every day it continues to exist.

Hell, the Secy of Defense wants it gone.


GravatarAs part of my continuing non-life I will go do laundry.


GravatarAlso I think we should be prepared to show that contrary to the RW views all the torture and spying did not help stop or capture the people who will be committing this next terror attack.
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Spocko, the heart of the matter is one of the myth of prediction. Statistically speaking, the prediction of terrorism comes up against the baseline error, i.e., it's very nature makes it nearly impossible to predict. Which is why our forebears were spot on when they said giving up liberties will not gain you security.

I think it's time to break the myth of some heroic paternal figure (or force of Xmen or what have you) will create absolute safety. Everyone knows this on a fundamental level. People also know that depriving rights/oppression creates very thing we're trying to avoid.

So far, it sounds like even on the most subtle level, Obama gets this. Yes there can be checks and stopgaps for a certain measure of security, but the equation is not solved by throwing all our resources behind one approach and to the extreme.

Who will be brave enough to re-set the discourse and say it out right?


GravatarBTW, they're planning a new reality show: Homeland Security USA.

I'm sure it'll be very informative.


GravatarGitmo exists largely to prolong our total embargo on Cuba, one suspects


GravatarTwitter dude, the homies are all still there.
Le Jackel | 12.06.08 - 3:42 pm | #


Now that's the problem here, isn't it? The homies are there and not here.


GravatarBuzz, "Stumpbroke" refers to a farm animal that has been used by a man sexually for so long, when it sees you getting up on the stump (to make the actual act easier) it just naturally moseys on over and gets in position.

"Steercotted" is what's done to a bull to make it a steer, I.E., castrating it.

Put the two together and you have TCB!


GravatarSo what is our counter message?

I think we should start talking about the next attack too and WHY it will happen. So that it will not be about Obama's failure to keep us safe but Bush's success in creating tens of thousands of new terrorists who have reasons to hate us more just because of "our freedoms". They hate us because we killed, tortured or imprisoned them for no good reason.


Did you send in one of those applications to work in the Obama administration? Why not???


GravatarKKKHHHHAAAAANNNNN!!

MALACCA, Malaysia (AFP) – India's top Bollywood actor Shah Rukh Khan will star in a new movie exploring the issue of Islam in the post 9/11 world and the misperception that all Muslims are terrorists.

"My Name is Khan" tells the story of six people with Muslim surnames who suffer suspicion and prejudice years after the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States.

This should be out in about a week.


GravatarWe used to have over a thousand.
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Oh the pathetic narrative of the dour.

Rule 1: Bash people based on making the perfect the enemy of the good.
Rule 2: Be as obtuse as possible when diverse interests are in evidence.
Rule 3: Make inane comparisons and assume the discourse will proceed in the absurd framework you have established.
Rule 4: Pretend your chasing of your own tail isn't the spectacle that it is.



GravatarSir lance is the stupidest troll on the internet, ever.


GravatarAlso I think we should be prepared to show that contrary to the RW views all the torture and spying did not help stop or capture the people who will be committing this next terror attack.

You might as well as we should prepare to square the circle. I'd like to believe that the majority of people will be capable of making that distinction, but I have my doubts.

Obama's not going to use an attack to launch a pet war on an unrelated country, I don't think. But beyond that, I think we'll see a brutal, stupid overreaction that aggravates the problem. It's built in to the system, for the time being, and Obama can't buck it even if he wants to.

Obviously, I'd be happy to be wrong.


GravatarI'm sure it'll be very informative.
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I can't wait. It will be very telling as to what "cases" get shown.

Oh the quandry of the producers.

Filter/non-Filter.
That is the question.


GravatarHo Ho Ho's doppelwanger.


GravatarI know where I'm doing all my Christmas shopping!


GravatarThe Puppies all went to a Christmas Party for Shiba Inus.  We must assume that a great deal of BoUnCiNg and GOING VERY FAST will take place.


GravatarI didn't apply to the Obama Team for a job because I'm only real on the Internets.


GravatarBiden is going to be barred from attending Democratic Caucus Meetings, Harry reid has announced.


GravatarTalk about your meanin
Oh the pathetic narrative of the dour.

ZenMouser | 12.06.08 - 3:47 pm | #


Well then mister smarty pants ZenMouser, please share your wisdom. Why do we only have 59 visitors now when at this same time before we would have a thousand?

I await you answer.


GravatarSir lance has no life.


Gravatar
Filter/non-Filter.
That is the question.
ZenMouser | 12.06.08 - 3:49 pm | # [kill]​[hide comment]


You don't think it'll be a cold, objective exploration of institutional power, a la Frederic Wiseman?


GravatarPlantsman - just back from the Penneys at Christown.....  Somehow I can stand Christown where all the other malls are disturbing.  Other than Uptown Plaza, but that's open. 


GravatarSir lance can neither type nor spell.


GravatarDoes the Bethany West Theatre yet exist?


GravatarI await you answer.
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Here's your answer:

Who but a belly-button-lint-studying, overbearing, underweaned, tedious & impudent poser gives a flying fcuk?


GravatarAlso, Buzz, I made the assumption that TCB was actually from/in Texas, where both terms would not be unknown to it. And given its trollish/wingnut personality, I deduced that the description, "Stumpbroke & Steercotted", would irritate it.

Really, the response was far more gratifying than I ever expected.


Gravatar
I await you answer.
Sir lance of all lances | 12.06.08 - 3:51 pm | # [kill]​[hide comment]


Prove that we routinely had a thousand on a Saturday afternoon, and I, for one, will take your question seriously (unless I have something better to do).

Less talk, more stats.


GravatarI think I saw David Lean's Dr. Zhivago in a Cinerama Theatre in Scottsdale which name I can no longer recall.


GravatarYou don't think it'll be a cold, objective exploration of institutional power, a la Frederic Wiseman?
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Shirley U. Jest


GravatarHey, it's the Bukowski Tour weekend!!

NOW we have an iron-clad REASON for the dearth of Atriots!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/...es- bukowsk.html


GravatarHmmm, I just popped out of the mold the two glass-crete beams I poured last weekend. They look better than I thought they would. They are fairly light. I could easily heft both including the larger of the two which is 12 feet long by 6" square (cross-section) and do not appear to be at all fragile, even though I did not like this particular mix. Now I'm going to make a few fence posts and see if the wind storms can break them. These will be 16' long, with 12' of solid fence to hold up.


GravatarI notice Amway no longer calls itself Quixtar.


GravatarHiya, Gromit. Hope it's beautiful and warm down south of the Equator thing.

I asked people here to tell you hi for me should you sign on, but did they? Fat Chance Dep't.


GravatarNOW we have an iron-clad REASON for the dearth of Atriots!

And for my presence here.


GravatarHo Ho Ho's doppelwanger.
plantsman | 12.06.08 - 3:50 pm | #


Give it up plantsman. I remember when you complained about simels using so many sock puppets. You said that you would state your case to Atrois directly and simels and his little crew attacked you.

You gave it up. You did not complain to Atrois like you said you would. You laid down for them and now are a supporter of them.


GravatarUNSULLIED SHEETS


GravatarDoes that fence present a flat face to the wind all 12 feet?


GravatarCome to think of it, jack loves Bukowski, so why is he here?


GravatarBuzz, "Stumpbroke" refers to a farm animal that has been used by a man sexually for so long, when it sees you getting up on the stump (to make the actual act easier) it just naturally moseys on over and gets in position.

"Steercotted" is what's done to a bull to make it a steer, I.E., castrating it.

Put the two together and you have TCB!
Chris Tucker: GOP Delenda Est!


Good Grief. All I wanted was a soda pop and directions to the nearest town.


GravatarI complained to simels himself in the presence of several others here. Twice.


GravatarDoes that fence present a flat face to the wind all 12 feet?

Yes, and that is part of the plan.

If it hold up to that. I can begin to use it (stress skin foam core glass-crete) as a back yard construction material. for patios and such.


GravatarGromit!

We're supposed to tell you "hi" from David D!



Gravatar"Sir lance can neither type nor spell."

Really? I wouldn't know. It's been killfiled since its first appearance.


Gravatar
Shame Bukowski didn't live to see that.


There's a bar named after him in Boston.


GravatarObama put the 'ding' in the rama lama ding dong...


Gravatar"The organizing principle of the Republican party and movement conservatism over the past 8 years, other than pissing off liberals, was rallying in support of and defending whatever the hell George Bush was doing that week."

Swap a few labels around and this is an exact description of your own activity for the past six years.


Gravatarhat is wrong.


GravatarYOU IDIOTS WOULD ALL HAVE ANTHRAX IF IT WASN'T FOR GEORGE BUSH SO DON'T GIVE ME THAT BUSH IS A TERRIBLE PRESIDENT LIE. MARK MY WORDS BUSH WIL BE REMEMBERED AS A GREAT PRESIDENT, WHILE OBAMA WILL BE SEEN AS A FAILURE AND NOT WIN HIS SECOND TERM LIKE BUSH DID.


GravatarMY BUTT SMELLS!


Gravatar6 YEARS LATER IT TURNS OUT THAT SADDAM DIDN'T HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/

AND THAT THE MAIN SUSPECT IN THE ANTHRAX MAILINGS WAS AN AMERICAN WHO KILLED HIMSELF AS THE FBI CLOSED IN!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08...eath/ index.html

I THINK MY HEAD JUST EXPLODED!


GravatarFALSE ALARM. IT WAS MY BUTT... AGAIN!


Gravatarthey got nothing


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