HULK SMASH!!!

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GravatarYou know sinofnian, maybe you should give those host that copy of the Ayn Rand novel you never finished. Tell them that the beer stain on the cover is actually Bill Bennett's ejaculate. They will love you forever and a day.


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GravatarThat's entirely enough.


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GravatarNice posting run, tho.


Gravatarthnx


Gravatarbeer to those trapped in wangs of republics.


GravatarIf she had written that for AFP, her name would read, "Sheryl Homosexual Stolberg."
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GravatarD, what did Goodhair's wife threaten?
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iirc, she caught him and a boi in bed together. she went running to a top flight divorce lawyer, but was persuaded by those unknown to me to keep the story private and remain in her Covenant. i'm sure jim baker and/or Titan/CACI were not involved in any way.


GravatarIt seems to me Reagan didn't surge until November, once it was clear he was gone soon.


GravatarQuestion: Do you know if they actually READ these books or did they just buy them.

I know that it is one of those things where people buy books to "support the team" but never read them. A publisher told me that "nobody reads books any more they just talk about the ideas in them."
Sp ocko


Don't know for sure, but I have every reason to believe they've been read.

Did I mention they are Mormons?


GravatarThen there's this:

President Bush will speak on the Republican convention’s opening night in St. Paul, MN. The New York Times reports that while details were still being worked out, a joint McCain/Bush appearance is “highly unlikely.” One GOP representative, however, said that a better plan would involve Bush staying home:

“I don’t think there are a lot of people who want to see him at the convention,” said Mr. Rohrabacher, who is especially irked with Mr. Bush for his stance on immigration. He said the president “should stay home from the Republican convention, and everybody would be better off.”


GravatarLarry has no cheezeburger, and he doesn't look happy about it.
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GravatarDo we have Gallup numbers on the popularity of Nancy Reagan's blow jobs?


GravatarDid you know that psychological abuse is not covered by restraining orders?

They can't do a fucking thing unless you have been hit.
therealhusseinkitty | 07.05.08 - 1:09 pm | #


Is that some occupied tejas special?


GravatarIf she had written that for AFP, her name would read, "Sheryl Homosexual Stolberg."
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Jeffraham Prestonian


AFA, actually.


Gravatarhello.


GravatarRemember when they dragged Saint Ronald of the Monster Deficit's sorry old ass out for the 1992 GOP hatefest and it didn't do Poppy one bit of good?


GravatarSinfonian: AFA, actually.

Thank you! I stand corrected. WTF is AFP? Anyone know?
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GravatarIt seems to me Reagan didn't surge until November, once it was clear he was gone soon.


If I were to speculate, I would say that Gallup, being the kind of bullshit poll it tends to be, wanted the old fool to go out with a bang so it tweaked the ratings.


GravatarDid you know that psychological abuse is not covered by restraining orders?

They can't do a fucking thing unless you have been hit.
therealhusseinkitty


yes. from bitter experience. they also "can't" do a fucking thing about the support money you're supposed to be paid after you've survived long enough to get a divorce. i've got the bankruptcy papers, and bruises, to prove both. but there "is no patriarchy," i'm assured.


GravatarAFP = Agence France-Presse.

Actually okay.


Gravatar“I don’t think there are a lot of people who want to see him at the convention,”



I hope he stays the fuck home from Obama's inauguration.


GravatarBill Bennet's wife gets DOJ grants over objections of reviewers:

http://www.washingtonindependent...ce-in-hot- water


Gravatarfrom previous thread:

here in occupied tejas, the republics are proposing a two year "waiting period" for divorce unless you get counseling.
rootless-e

That doesn't seem like a good idae because aren't they also advocating getting rid of the waiting period for guns?


GravatarThat VW high MPG auto would be like driving in the day of 40 or 50 cent per gallon gasoline. Heck if this ends up being a diesel car and you had to pay 8 bucks a gallon the cost of fuel still would not matter much.
Doug | 07.05.08 - 1:11 pm | #


If it had a ten gallon fuel tank it might cost some to fill it up, but than you'd only have to top it off after you'd driven over 2000 miles.


Gravataragency france press, jefferson.

Did I mention they are Mormons?
Sinfonian,


forget the beer. here's some vodka. and mushrooms.


GravatarBill Bennet's wife gets DOJ grants over objections of reviewers:

Clearly she read her husband's book.


GravatarDo we have Gallup numbers on the popularity of Nancy Reagan's blow jobs?


I wonder if the numbers increased significantly if she took her dentures out?


GravatarFrom below:

Did you know that psychological abuse is not covered by restraining orders?

They can't do a fucking thing unless you have been hit.
therealhusse



My gynecologist has his patients fill out a questionairre and one question is "have you been abused" (the info is confidential).

I asked him to define abuse. He wanted to know what I meant.

I told him what went on around the time of my ex losing his mind and dumping me for someone he met on line.

Once he got the details, he said it was psychological and emotional abuse and as far as he was concerned, I was battered woman.


I wouldn't classify myself as battered, but I did get kicked around pretty good emotionally.


GravatarWe've been getting a decent amount of rain here in Dutchess County, NY, but god seems to want to make simels into a wet noodle.


GravatarAFP

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp-wor...world- news.html


GravatarSinfonian: Actually okay.

Oh! D'oh!

Yeah, I'm kinda surprised the French don't even have a word for "gay."
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Gravatarforget the beer. here's some vodka. and mushrooms.
chicago dyke, dope-free


gf's parents. She turned out fine.


GravatarSurges are wonderful things, aren't they?


Gravatarthere "is no patriarchy," i'm assured.
chicago dyke, dope-free



Anyone who thinks that is kidding themselves.


GravatarI wouldn't classify myself as battered, but I did get kicked around pretty good emotionally.
Terry C


but did the divorce judge tell you to "stop whining" about it? that's the really fun part of our system, which of course in no way is a patriarchy.


Gravatarteh St. Ronnie SURGE is Working!


GravatarThat VW high MPG auto would be like driving in the day of 40 or 50 cent per gallon gasoline.

The commercial version of this is likely to only get 135 to 150 MPG.
FWIW, greenhouse gasses are directly proportional to mileage.


GravatarPresident Bush will speak on the Republican convention’s opening night in St. Paul, MN.

That could be extra fun, considering RNC logistics plans leaked to web.


GravatarBill Bennet's wife gets DOJ grants over objections of reviewers:

I would have bet on a scandal like that existing.


GravatarLess popular than Clinton, no?


GravatarI wouldn't classify myself as battered, but I did get kicked around pretty good emotionally.
Terry C

but did the divorce judge tell you to "stop whining" about it? that's the really fun part of our system, which of course in no way is a patriarchy.
chicago dyke, dope-free


HOW did YOU know??????????

My divorce judge was a woman-hating prick!

The transportation center in Camden, NJ is named the Walter Rand Transportation Center.

The judge is his son. The GW Bush syndrome.

Snotty little rich kid.


Gravatarshawk: The commercial version of this is likely to only get 135 to 150 MPG.
FWIW, greenhouse gasses are directly proportional to mileage.


That'd still be better than a 50cc scooter gets, and probably pollute less, too... less than my 50, anyway, since it's a 2-stroke.
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GravatarBush will speak on the Republican convention’s opening night in St. Paul, MN.



I so wish he shows up drunk and in a self-pitying mood.

Complete meltdown.


Gravataryes. from bitter experience. they also "can't" do a fucking thing about the support money you're supposed to be paid after you've survived long enough to get a divorce. i've got the bankruptcy papers, and bruises, to prove both. but there "is no patriarchy," i'm assured.

Sorry to hear, Chi. Like we have separation of church and state, but couldn't get liquor in Kansas on Sunday, it's the underlying assumptions. In Stranger in a Strange Land, Heinlein talked about how "everybody knows" that cannabalism is wrong without it ever being said. As long as the assumption is that a woman's going to become "Mrs. Mansname" and waitstaff hand the check to the guy, it's a patriachy...


GravatarWOOHOO!

Selma's Ice Cream Parlour is back in downtown Afton! This is a major landmark that's been closed for a year.


GravatarMormons give you beer to drink?


Also, I would like to hear of this caffeinated beer.


GravatarNot surging.

But still at least twice as popular as Bush.


Gravatarchi:

Things evened out in the past ten years and living well IS the best revenge.

The ex got kicked out his apartment two months ago and his health is failing.

I don't applaud that, but I'm not surprised.

The one he left me for died in 2003 - Hepatitis C.

Evil gets repaid....sooner or later.


GravatarBush will speak on the Republican convention’s opening night in St. Paul, MN.

Starting the events off with a wimper and closing three days later with a popcorn fart.


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Selma's Ice Cream Parlour is back in downtown Afton! This is a major landmark that's been closed for a year.


We went to Grand Ole Creamery last night. That place was hoppin'.

Now I'm off to previously-mentioned regionally-based home improvement store. Later.


Gravatarcamelot: Also, I would like to hear of this caffeinated beer.

There's some crazy malt beverage (think Zima) with added caffeine and other stimulants. I think I recently read where A-B got a smackdown for targeting their marketing to underage drinkers of this type of product.
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GravatarI get the impression that in a few comments we are going to see W comparisons.


GravatarHOW did YOU know??????????

i'm a divorced american woman owed ~175K in unpaid support. of course i know. like millions of other women who are "equal" in our legal system.


GravatarObama's nomination acceptance speech in a Stadium.

McCain's nomination acceptance speech in a crowded Lindbergh Terminal bathroom.


GravatarMormons give you beer to drink?

Well, yeah, they're not really practicing anymore. But they lurrrrrve Glenn Beck.

Also, I would like to hear of this caffeinated beer.
camelot


Hang on ... Budweiser makes it. I'll have to look it up.


Gravatar. As long as the assumption is that a woman's going to become "Mrs. Mansname" and waitstaff hands the check to the guy, it's a patriachy...
atablarasa


In the 23 years I was married, I absolutely refused to be referred Mrs. Mansname.

I would cross it out and correct it on paper or correct the speaker who called me it verbally.

Marriage to someone does not mean they own you.


GravatarAlso, I would like to hear of this caffeinated beer.
camelot

brewers recently agreed to suspend distribution.


Gravatar"I'm passing the torch from cripple Carol to Cindy to Vicki Iseman to on the downlow with Lindsey Graham"-McCombover


GravatarJeffraham Prestonian

Thank you, I will have some before the day is done.


GravatarHOW did YOU know??????????

i'm a divorced american woman owed ~175K in unpaid support. of course i know. like millions of other women who are "equal" in our legal system.
chicago dyke, dope-free


SISTAH!


Gravatar"I'm passing the torch from cripple Carol to Cindy to Vicki Iseman to on the downlow with Lindsey Graham"-McCombover
jr



(chokes on Diet Pepsi)


GravatarMcCain is going to give his acceptance speech with Lieberman and McCain standing behind him bearing their adoring "Nancy-smiles"


GravatarHere are some of the caffeinated beers.

Bud's is called "B-E," or "B to the E."


Gravatarbrewers recently agreed to suspend distribution.


Grrrrrrr. [How do I make the extremely angry emoticon]


GravatarNever tell a Wookiee you're fond of him-- you're likely to get your arms ripped off + thrown in a garbage-pail if you do.


Gravatarfrom below

see if i offer you HRC supporters recipie advice again, sob.
chicago dy


Okay, that was the first for me today. Is it any wonder I flirt with you.

Just going with what's in the pantry. I already spent $100 at the grocery store today. And that didn't include any meat at all. Don't want to make another trip.
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GravatarSorry, Lieberman & Graham standing behind him...pushing Cindy out of frame.


GravatarOh, god.

Nancy "adoring gaze".

I remember that well.

Used to make me wanna barf!


GravatarBush will speak on the Republican convention’s opening night in St. Paul, MN.


CSPAN better not broadcast or else al-Qaeda will know what he looks like.


GravatarFWIW, greenhouse gasses are directly proportional to mileage.

Higher the mileage, higher the gases produced?

And my wife is Ms. Hername. Our kids are Hername-Myname, which they've managed to survive.... :D


GravatarNever tell a Wookiee you're fond of him-- you're likely to get your arms ripped off + thrown in a garbage-pail if you do.

Oh? Really?


Gravatarzima doesn't have caffienated. mixes well with shots of "fire water," tho.

Things evened out in the past ten years and living well IS the best revenge.

i wish i could say the same. he's currently married to a woman 20years his jr, who gave him a healthy son, and enjoying a high paying job and rehabilitated credit, now that enough time has passed while he lived off ruining mine. me? poor, underemployed, childless. but it's "all my fault," according to various family members and the legal system. i try not to be bitter. oh, and he let my dogs die, because he was too cheap to get the surgery they needed. i got that from him in an email recently, as i had to give them to him when we split, knowing i couldn't afford to care for them.


Gravatarsinfonian, let me offer you a beer. i'm so very sorry you can't escape that.

Hell, sinf. Have a nice strong dark and stormy on me.

Raygun's surge has as much truth in it as McCrank's maverick status.


GravatarOh? Really?

Really. Watch this:

Grrrraaaa!!! Grrrraaaa!!! Grrrraaaa!!! Grrrraaaa!!!

[speaking Wookiee]


Gravatarchicago dyke, dope-free:



That fucking bastard should only rot in hell.


GravatarGrr! Guh! Grrrraaaa! Ka! GGGGGRRRAAA!

[speaking Wookiee]


GravatarCall me a starry-eyed optimist, but I bet somebody would be interested in $175k of unpaid spousal support...


GravatarRaygun's surge has as much truth in it as McCrank's maverick status.
sidhra صي


I don't think Reagan could have surged if he took a month's supply of Viagra.

Same for McCain.


GravatarJust going with what's in the pantry. I already spent $100 at the grocery store today. And that didn't include any meat at all. Don't want to make another trip.

veganism: something lots and lots of us are going to learn to enjoy. i looked at a recent grocery bill for a family member i care for; i was not amazed to discover: almost 50% of the total was for meat.


GravatarSinfonian: Bud's is called "B-E," or "B to the E."

The one I've seen here is called "Sparks." Can looks like a battery, sort-of.

Crazy shit.
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GravatarCall me a starry-eyed optimist, but I bet somebody would be interested in $175k of unpaid spousal support...
dave™©


My thoughts exactly.


The divorce judge I was inflicted with let me ex get away with paying $25.00 a week child support for my son till he was 18 (4 years).

Then again, with him, one cannot hope to get blood from a stone. He couldn't hold onto a job for more than six months at a time.


GravatarSinf, JP, 1 Watt:

brewers recently agreed to suspend distribution.
1Watt, Hermit |

WTF?


GravatarI just said, "How are you, my dear friend?" and Wookiee Smuggler just responded, "Good enough to kill you!"

It may sound a little severe, but in Wookiee, it's really talking about euthanasia- it's a shortened form of "Good enough to kill you if a giant monster was completely devouring you, starting with your toes and working its way up!" meaning obviously that the speaker is fond enough of you and glad enough to see you that he'd/she'd be willing to do the ultimate, grizzly favor for you. In their society, there is no greeting that's more pleasant or polite.


GravatarMY ex, not me ex


GravatarOnly buying meat that is marked down for sale lends spontaneity and creativity to menu planning. At least that's my experience.


GravatarMcCain's nomination acceptance speech in a crowded Lindbergh Terminal bathroom.

"What's wrong with that?"
-- Larry Craig


GravatarCall me a starry-eyed optimist, but I bet somebody would be interested in $175k of unpaid spousal support...
dave™© | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 1:31 pm | #


mama may have
papa may have
but God bless the child
that's got his own


Gravatarbrewers recently agreed to suspend distribution.
1Watt, Hermit |

WTF?
camelot


Fat, drunk, and wide awake is no way to go through life, son.


GravatarEntirely off topic:

It's a brilliantly sunny 74 degrees out, and my neighbor's been running the dryer constantly since this morning. They use those "fresh scent" things too. I just hung out the laundry.

Thanks, Mr. Sun.


Gravataronly if you have the retainer fee, dave. which i don't.

That fucking bastard should only rot in hell.
Terry C


if there was one; i wish i could believe. i've had offers from Marine friends, big, strong, good with guns and torture types, to go out to OR where he lives now and...well. i said no b/c although i don't believe in karma, i do think that letting go is an important part of the healing process. i can still get riled up about it, but the past is the past, and as you say, living well is the best revenge. i may not have the career and riches i was supposed to have, but the catalogue of my lovers since him? fantabulous. so there's that.


Gravatarcamelot -- Here.
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GravatarHowever, you would never, ever, just say "I like you" or "I'm fond of you" to a Wookiee.

Otherwise you might end up getting your head gnawed off of your neck, and your bare skull spat out onto a table.


GravatarOtherwise you might end up getting your head gnawed off of your neck, and your bare skull spat out onto a table.
Han Spacebucks


I've been on dates like that.


GravatarEwwwww.


GravatarIt is July 5th. So, can I shoot anyone that is still setting off noisemakers?
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins | 07.05.08 - 1:14 pm | #


Gravatarworking intermittently here.

were y'all talking about animals having sex only for procreation? i came across this bit while doing some research for my book:

Homosexual courtship between two males is actually quite common in giraffes. Necking can be observed first, with both male giraffes rubbing their necks together. This will obviously lead to both mounting and climax. Homosexual relationships occur with about 50% of all male giraffes, while only 1% of female giraffes engage in same sex relations
http://www.learnanimals.com/giraffe/


GravatarEwwwww.

I've seen it happen once, and believe me, it's not at all pretty.


Gravatari may not have the career and riches i was supposed to have, but the catalogue of my lovers since him? fantabulous. so there's that.

Most excellent way to go on.


Gravatarbut did the divorce judge tell you to "stop whining" about it? that's the really fun part of our system, which of course in no way is a patriarchy.
chicago dyke, dope-free | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 1:18 pm | #

the judge in my divorce had been on the board of the local women's shelter.

I remember the look on her face when the ex's lawyer said," your honor, Mr. W's wife is a "client" the the XX women's shelter. She has gotten in with those people and you know how they are". Talk about Priceless. He switched attorneys soon thereafter. It took 18 months to get divorced from him.


Gravatarthe good old days.

ironically, that's more or less what the ex looks like. guess it was a good time to check in to my blog.


Gravatargiraffes rarely get divorced.


GravatarCD-

I buy mostly vegetables and dirty fucking hippie stuff, and I was outright astounded at my food costs last month.


Gravatargiraffes rarely get divorced.

It's hard for them to sign all the paperwork.


GravatarThese divorce horror stories are (a) reminding me why I stopped practicing law and (b) reminding me why I never got married in the first place, despite being with the same guy for over 20 years.

I get phone calls asking for Mrs. Hussein and I tell them "not here" because the only Hussein in this household is *Miss* Hussein.


GravatarNecking can be observed first, with both male giraffes rubbing their necks together

Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.


GravatarIt's hard for them to sign all the paperwork.
Toonscribe | 07.05.08 - 1:41 pm | #


they always want to play it safe. never known one to stick...

oh, fuck it. that was uncalled for.


Gravatarhttp://www.tcm.com/2008/undergro...dex/? cid=181189

I am so "psyched" that TCM is showing Preminger's Skidoo!!!


Ironically, it is the “bad mistake”, the overcalculation of Skidoo that makes watching it such a fun, enjoyable experience today. Much like the accidental hilariousness of a 1950’s education filmstrip, the notion of Skidoo being made in earnest, that Preminger filmed acid trip sequences the exact way he experienced them himself, gives the film a strange staying power. A simple viewing of it will make you think you’re on an acid trip of your own. The LSD sequences are truly bizarre; a surreal mix of muted audio and mind-warping visuals (the movie’s most trippy moment has to be what Preminger himself called “The Dance of The Garbage Cans”). Most unbelievable however, is the cast that Preminger assembled for this one-of-a-kind oddity. It’s hard to believe that Jackie Gleason was ever talked into acting out an acid trip. And between seeing Carol Channing in only a bra and tights and Groucho Marx’s head on a cartoon depiction of a screw, you truly feel like you’ve stepped into another dimension. And just when you think you’ve seen it all, the ending is interrupted by Preminger himself – imploring you to stay through the credits as 60’s folk troubadour Nilsson actually sings the entire list of cast and crew.


GravatarSomething tells me it's all happening at the zo

nope. observed in the wild too.


GravatarHaving watched giraffes mate, I'm amazed that there are any giraffes. Ditto for the big tortoises.

Bears, on the other hand, give a clear demonstration of what "shaggin' it" is all about.

Zoos are very educational places.


GravatarThanks guys, I'll be back later and I'm sure you will be able to tell if I found any.


GravatarCD,

Can you sell that bad debt to a collection agency?
Let them go after him tooth and nail.


GravatarClinton's Approval ratings at the end of his term were about 10 points higher than Reagan's:

Date Approve Disapprove No opinion

9/11-13/00 60 34 6
8/29 - 9/3/00 62 35 3
8/18-19/00 62 35 3
8/11-12/00 58 39 3
8/4-5/00 57 40 3
7/25-26/00 57 39 4
7/14-16-/00 59 37 4

http://www.pollingreport.com/cli...om/clinton- .htm


Gravatarleibkins: people mocked me this year, earlier, for doing all my garden blogging posts. no longer.

i just et a freshly picked pea pod. it wuz good. and i've got rows and rows more, just coming in now. all free, but for some planting labor earlier this year.

when i'm eating home grown melon this winter, i'm really going to stick it to some who told me i was "boring" them with garden blogging, knowing they won't be able to afford the same.


GravatarI think we should use tax dollars to launch giraffes into space on the shuttle and see what they do in zero gravity.


GravatarMichael Turner, a comic book artist who drew covers for major titles such as "Superman/Batman," "The Flash" and "Civil War,'" has died. He was 37.

Turner died June 27 at a Santa Monica hospital of complications related to cancer, said Vince Hernandez, editor in chief of Aspen MLT, the Santa Monica publishing company Turner founded in 2003. Turner had battled bone cancer for eight years.

Through his company, Turner created online comic adaptations for the NBC series "Heroes" and published his own titles, including the best-selling "Fathom," a deep-sea story about a female superhero.

He also drew covers for large projects such as DC Comics' "Justice League" and Marvel's "Civil War" and was a regular cover artist for "Superman/Batman" and "The Flash."

"He was definitely one of the most popular and influential comic-book artists working right now," said Andrew Farago, curator of San Francisco's Cartoon Art Museum. "He was very, very much in demand as a cover artist on high-profile projects."

Ryan Liebowitz, general manager of the Golden Apple Comics store in Los Angeles, said Turner's name was synonymous with special-edition covers that often became collectibles. The milestone 500th issue of "Uncanny X-Men," due out next week, will feature a special-edition cover by Turner.

Turner was also known for drawing female comic book characters that evoked both innocence and sex appeal and exuded energy.

In 1994, the budding artist was hired by Century City-based Top Cow Productions after an editor saw his work at the Comic-Con convention in San Diego.

At Top Cow, Turner co-created "Witchblade," a comic about a voluptuous female detective who fights evil after discovering a mystical glove. The comic went on to make Top Cow's name and set the standard for Turner's future work.


Gravatarcamelot: Thanks guys, I'll be back later and I'm sure you will be able to tell if I found any.

I know I saw Sparks in a local convenience store within the past week. Apparently, it's a Miller-ZAB product.
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GravatarHomosexual relationships occur with about 50% of all male giraffes, while only 1% of female giraffes engage in same sex relations

This is a direct result of the fact that, of all the four-legged mammals, the giraffe is least able to lick its own balls.


GravatarDja see the straight talk express vs the teleprompter story?

McCain Battles a Nemesis, the Teleprompter
By MARK LEIBOVICH 8 minutes ago

A politician who has thrived in informal settings now is trying to meet the more scripted speaking demands of a general election campaign.


By "informal" I presume he means a BBQ. Countdown to adviser saying it's all the handlers' fault in 3...2...1...

“I think the depressingly self-absorbed McCain campaign machine needs to get out of the way,” said Mike Murphy, a longtime friend and media adviser who has no role in the current operation but who still talks to Mr. McCain every few days. “They need to just let McCain be McCain.”

Bingo!


Gravatarnope. observed in the wild too.

was quoting Paul Simon. Giraffes are insincere.


GravatarCD-

Yeah. During WWI it was victory gardens. Now they are defeat gardens.


GravatarNow I think I know why Newt Gingrich is obsessed with hunting giraffes from foxholes...


Gravatarwhen i'm eating home grown melon this winter, i'm really going to stick it to some

Jebus, is *everything* about sex with you?


GravatarYeah. During WWI it was victory gardens. Now they are defeat gardens.


heh.

So true.


Gravatarrealhellk: too much time has passed, is what i'm told. when it was happening (the divorce) i was in the middle of an extremely rigorous phd program and working two jobs. so i had to let some stuff go, and at that point, all i wanted was to not get beaten nearly to death anymore. someday, i may go after him. if i do, it won't be for the money. only mercy for his innocent son keeps me from, um, pulling various triggers, if you get my drift.

Having watched giraffes mate, I'm amazed that there are any giraffes. Ditto for the big tortoises.

ever seen whales fuck? it's amazing they exist. they get, like, two seconds for the sperm to get where it needs to be, in saltwater, no less. seriously, i don't really understand how they've been able to survive, but nature is incredible like that, i guess.


GravatarIn 1994, the budding artist was hired by Century City-based Top Cow Productions after an editor saw his work at the Comic-Con convention in San Diego.

I think I met him once in '95 or '96 when some writing partners and I were pitching some ideas to Top Cow.


GravatarThis is a direct result of the fact that, of all the four-legged mammals, the giraffe is least able to lick its own balls.
Stunt Woman | 07.05.08 - 1:45 pm |




was quoting Paul Simon. Giraffes are insincere.
sidhra صي ذ& | 07.05.08 - 1:46 pm | #


well, it is more common in captivity. jail-house sex, you know.


Gravatarwas quoting Paul Simon. Giraffes are insincere.

Zebras are reactionaries, antelopes are missionarys, hamsters turn on frequently...


GravatarMeet Buddy.




Gravatarthe past is the past, and as you say, living well is the best revenge. i may not have the career and riches i was supposed to have, but the catalogue of my lovers since him? fantabulous. so there's that.
chicago dyke, dope-free


I've finally come to realize that what happened in 1998 had nothing whatsoever to do with.

I did nothing to cause it and nothing I did could have stopped it.

This was an unstable person who finally over the line. He never wanted to grow up and he'd found what he wanted in his AA chatroom....an enabler with low expectations.

Unfortunately for him, his "new beginning" had a very life.


GravatarWHOOPS -



Unfortunately for him, his "new beginning" had a very BRIEF life.


GravatarBatman fan Leahy appears in new flick

The Dead, Batman ... what's next for Leahy, the world's baldest fanboy?


GravatarAnd on other days I know that the plural of missionary is not missionarys.

< SIGH >


Gravatarjeff, i can't help what you make of my posts. you know i'm toning it down too.

He also drew covers for large projects such as DC Comics' "Justice League" and Marvel's "Civil War" and was a regular cover artist for "Superman/Batman" and "The Flash."

i bow my head in rememberance. those were some sweet covers. 'civil war' was esp good. so sorry for the loss.


GravatarPigeons plot in secrecy.


GravatarI've been on dates like that.
Sinfonian, in St. Pete


Have you ever dated a Wookiee?


GravatarNow I think I know why Newt Gingrich is obsessed with hunting giraffes from foxholes...
puppethead


I'd like to throw Gingrich INTO a foxhole along with some others of his kind and then cover the whole thing over with a backhoe.


GravatarCD, I have had the same offer from various friends, even my mother. I have let it all go...he's not worth the paper he's written on much less anyone getting so much as a parking ticket to go bitch slap him. I just wish that the PTSD would go away.


Gravatarever seen whales fuck?

Trust me, it's not pretty.


GravatarAnd on other days I know that the plural of missionary is not missionarys.

It's "cult".


GravatarThere's a tiny bird in kent
Who's ridiculously bent
And a rutting stag who is a total deer
There are naughty big blue whales
And the sperm whale prefers males
And the dolphin is of course completely queer
There's a very brazen chimp
Who is very rarely limp
And a shrimp who's pink and utterly obscene
While the small transvestite prawn
Is completely into porn
And the King Crab is of course an utter Queen.

-- eric idle


GravatarI just wish that the PTSD would go away.

Contact the Pentagon - apparently they have managed to reduce the incidence of PTSD in returning soldiers to nil. Goddamned miracle it is.


GravatarI never really expected to read about animal sex here.

Then again, this is Eschaton. Always expect the unexpected.


GravatarTerry C's typo is quite appropriate.


GravatarThe George W. Bush Foundation is seeking donations to fund their effort to have GWB's likeness carved into the toilet seats at Yosemite National Park.


GravatarNever tell Wookiee you love him...

Wait, that could be the title of a book, couldn't it?


GravatarThen again, this is Eschaton. Always expect the unexpected.
Sinfonian, in St. Pete | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 1:53 pm | #


look! it's the spanish inquisition!


GravatarMeet Buddy.
watertiger



Two dog biscuits and a belly scratch for Buddy.


GravatarI never really expected to read about animal sex here.

Human-animal sex, on the other hand ...


GravatarGoddamned miracle it is.
JeffCO | 07.05.08 - 1:53 pm | #

unfortunately I enjoy consciousness too much.


Gravatarapparently they have managed to reduce the incidence of PTSD in returning soldiers to nil.

it isn't "Post" if they are still there.


GravatarTwo dog biscuits and a belly scratch for Buddy.

he'll never let you forget it.

and now i really have to get my ass outta this chair.


Gravatarever seen whales fuck?

You ought to see the hotel room the next morning!


Gravatarever seen whales fuck?

Do you like pictures about gladiators?


GravatarNever tell Wookiee you love him...

Never tell a Wookiee you love him.


GravatarHuman-animal sex, on the other hand ...
Stunt Woman


Box turtles, bitchez!


Gravatarback to work ...


GravatarHuman-animal sex, on the other hand ...

Santorum!


Gravatarever seen whales fuck?

Is that a Toyota in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?


GravatarNever tell Wookiee you love him...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0...h? v=0SVmQMPaLMQ


Gravatarunfortunately I enjoy consciousness too much.

Apparently all it takes is refusing to acknowledge its existence and denying treatment. If you're treating it, the terrorists have already won!


GravatarHuman-animal sex, on the other hand ...
Stunt Woman



Ann Coulter = human/stork hybrid


GravatarWookiees can't lick their own balls.

[translated from Wookiee]


GravatarWhale penis bones are a collector's item. Maybe George could have used one in that Seinfeld episode.


GravatarGotta go. Back later, mebbe.


GravatarMeet Buddy.

how funny! i just went out for a cig, and took the kitteh, who enjoyed a nice backscratching roll in the sunshine.

life without animals would be unbearable, i think.


Gravatarchicago dyke: ever seen whales fuck?

Wasn't that in Star Fuck IV: The Voyeur's Home?
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Gravatar"Giant squid" is way funnier than "Toyota". What was i thinking?

[checks coffee to make sure it has caffeine]


GravatarThere was footage of bears scratching their backs on trees last week on MSNBC. It was great. Bears can make great faces.


GravatarI work in a rural location. We have a pair of miniature donkeys. The female just had a baby last month.
We finally put them back together in the same yard, thinking that the female was no longer in heat. No.such. luck. They have been going at it all week long.
For such a small creature, the male is amazingly well, proportionately larger than a horse.


GravatarWhale penis bones are a collector's item. Maybe George could have used one in that Seinfeld episode.

Which one?


GravatarThere was footage of bears scratching their backs on trees last week on MSNBC. It was great. Bears can make great faces.
plantsman


It was wiping its ass on the tree.


GravatarThere was footage of bears scratching their backs on trees last week on MSNBC. It was great. Bears can make great faces.
plantsman


Those toilet paper commercials with the bears trying to get the pieces of toilet paper off their asses is just plain weird.


Gravataryou know, i saw the whales fucking when i was visiting sis in SF, and at the time it was all innocent. i had no idea of the degree of whale penis fetish showing up here today.

hastert would be proud.


GravatarWell, if I'm going to get any work done today, I'd better leave. I just wish what I'm working on was as interesting as the good people here.

Bye for now.


GravatarApparently all it takes is refusing to acknowledge its existence and denying treatment. If you're treating it, the terrorists have already won!


The Agent Orange defense?


GravatarThere was footage of bears scratching their backs on trees last week on MSNBC. It was great. Bears can make great faces.
plantsman

It was wiping its ass on the tree.


Reminds me of the great joke about the bear meeting the rabbit.

"Do you have problems getting shit off your fur?" the bear asks the rabbit.

"No," says the rabbit.

So the bear wipes his ass with the rabbit.


GravatarSW-

I was thinking of the episode where he complained of "shrinkage".


GravatarMaybe some of them were, but unless their asses are in the back of their necks, not all of them.


Gravatarwhere did sinfonian go? i can't believe he's not here to pick up on the whale-fucking/mormon/hastert jokes just begging for his attention.


GravatarI love it when the Saturday editors let something "unapproved" sneak through:

John McCain calls himself an underdog. That may be an understatement. The GOP presidential candidate trails Democrat Barack Obama in polls, organization and money while trying to succeed a deeply unpopular fellow Republican in a year that favors Democrats. McCain also doesn't seem to have a coherent message let alone much of a strategy despite securing the nomination three months earlier than Obama.

"This is a tough race. We are behind. We are the underdog. That's what I like to be," the GOP nominee-in-waiting frequently tells donors these days, keenly aware not only of his woes but also his proven comeback ability: He won his party's nomination despite the implosion of his campaign last summer.

One year later, and now in the general election, McCain's troubles are so acute that he recently gave senior adviser Steve Schmidt "full operational control" of the day-to-day campaign and, effectively, scaled back the duties of campaign manager Rick Davis. The shift in responsibilities came after weeks of Republican quibbling that McCain had not adequately made the transition for the fall...


GravatarChiDy and Terry C, My 19 year marriage ended with a real doozie--all kinds of nasty shit in the papers, he nearly got disbarred and was damn lucky to not get jail time for assault--not on me. All that came right out of left field for me.

Didn't take him too long to remarry to a woman who is not the devil, I'll just say his children and employees call her K--the ATM. She's high maintenance.

My dau tells me that ATM said that a divorce is in the works.

HAH! I've become frugal as hell, and I have fun, and I'm not responsible for any of his crap and am glad every day I have no obligation towards him whatsoever.


GravatarWhale sex: Another topic to keep trolls away.


GravatarCharmin has gone too far with those bear commercials. Especially the one with the vacuum cleaner.


Gravatar
I was thinking of the episode where he complained of "shrinkage".


Ah yes.


GravatarI too find the Bears/Charmin ads to be offensive. I often wonder what it is that advertisers are trying to sell.


Gravatarhelena handbasket:

You, Chi and me are survivors.

I used to work with a woman whose abusive husband dumped her for someone else after 27 years.

The second wife promptly spent him into bankruptcy.

My friend was recently remarried...to a fellow who treats her like a queen!


Gravatarfor those wondering about the bear/charmin ads, just go to Second Life and look at all the furry sex that happens there. you think you know how depraved amurkins are, but i bet you don't.


GravatarHi Gromit! I'm still thinking of your lovely house today. I'd so love a scenic view like that.

Can you walk to 'town' things from where you are or is it a car ride to any 'conveniences?'


GravatarCharmin has gone too far with those bear commercials. Especially the one with the vacuum cleaner.
plantsman



That commercial is so stupid and offensive.


GravatarTerry C, Obama/Clinton 08

Please include me. I sometimes, well always, think that is my strongest quality--survival. Unfortunately, I have gotten very good at it.


Gravatarchicago dyke: for those wondering about the bear/charmin ads, just go to Second Life and look at all the furry sex that happens there. you think you know how depraved amurkins are, but i bet you don't.

I saw that episode of CSI!


.


GravatarSo I hear the wingnuts are all in a big tizzy over Tbogg speaking the truth.

The money shot:

Since we are supposed to say something nice about the dead I'll just say that I feel sorry for his family and understand the grief that they must feel, fully aware that Jesse is in hell today... most likely getting fucked in the ass by Roy Cohn.

Brings a tear to my eye...


GravatarI too find the Bears/Charmin ads to be offensive. I often wonder what it is that advertisers are trying to sell.


I was scratching my head yesterday after seeing those new Johnson and Johnson commercials (slogan: "Having a baby changes everything.")

A news report Thursday informed that the number one event leading to divorce is the birth of the first child, which is the primary reason that the average time period between marriage and divorce is a little less than two years.

And here's a weird one: the odds of a second marriage ending in divorce approaches 100% where one member of the couple has a daughter between the ages of 11 and 15.


Gravatarit seems...of note, how few men are piping up to tell similar stories of abuse on this thread. c'mon guys, tell us how women control the legal system and how much we need 'men's rights.' ....sorry, that was bitter. nevermind.


Gravataryou think you know how depraved amurkins are



Well, the ones who keep voting Repugnican....


GravatarI too find the Bears/Charmin ads to be offensive. I often wonder what it is that advertisers are trying to sell.

Condoms for bears.


GravatarA news report Thursday informed that the number one event leading to divorce is the birth of the first child



There are still people who believe that having a baby will save a failing marriage.

That one blows my mind.


GravatarThe second wife promptly spent him into bankruptcy.

My friend was recently remarried...to a fellow who treats her like a queen!
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:06 pm | #

sometimes karma works like a charm.

I had something of the same experience you did Terry, the ex went over the edge in 2001 but it was a long time building. I can only describe it like being ground slowly under a millstone as your life and humanity are stripped away. I had 23 years of it. When my counselor finally told me he was trying to kill me did it really fall into place.


GravatarHi Gromit! I'm still thinking of your lovely house today. I'd so love a scenic view like that.

Can you walk to 'town' things from where you are or is it a car ride to any 'conveniences?'


It's a mile to the grocery and elementary school, two miles to downtown, three to the university and four to the airport.

Our super-cool wheelchair-accessible community treehouse is only a couple of hundred yards though.

Planning on hosting Atriots on a weekend in mid-August, and you're invited.


GravatarAnd here's a weird one: the odds of a second marriage ending in divorce approaches 100% where one member of the couple has a daughter between the ages of 11 and 15.
Stunt Woman


Well, I've never been married or divorced, but I've got a daughter who will be 11 in 3 years -- so I either have to get married real quick or wait 7 years!


Gravataryou think you know how depraved amurkins are, but i bet you don't.
chicago dyke, dope-free | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:07 pm | #

in fact I do. I have plushie friends...they are an interesting bunch.


GravatarSince we are supposed to say something nice about the dead I'll just say that I feel sorry for his family and understand the grief that they must feel, fully aware that Jesse is in hell today... most likely getting fucked in the ass by Roy Cohn.




I hope Jesse and Jerry Falwell are being made to suck each other's cocks,

That is, if they can find them.

They were both terrible people.


Gravatara daughter between the ages of 11 and 15.
Stunt Woman |

So if I hold off for three years, a third marriage will work?
Forget it, never again.


Gravatargrrls, we better switch to pr0n and 'ball. we've skeerd all the menfolk away, harpies that we are.


Gravatarwhere did sinfonian go? i can't believe he's not here to pick up on the whale-fucking/mormon/hastert jokes just begging for his attention.
chicago dyke, dope-free


Sorry, I had child issues.

The Hastert sockpuppet was me, so I'm right there in the thick of it, I assure you.


GravatarPlanning on hosting Atriots on a weekend in mid-August, and you're invited.
Gromit |


Thanks, Gromit, I'm looking forward to it & hope I can make it. I still haven't figured out when & how we're going to Cali this summer (it has to be sometime in August, when the whole fam will be there).


GravatarThere are still people who believe that having a baby will save a failing marriage.

That one blows my mind.


A good friend in a bad marriage (two children) decided that was the thing to do. The resulting baby was twins.

Good times. Well, not really.

My friend has custody of the 4 boys and is remarried to a woman with three of her own children.


Gravatarit seems...of note, how few men are piping up to tell similar stories of abuse on this thread. c'mon guys, tell us how women control the legal system and how much we need 'men's rights.'

from what i've seen although women are treated terribly in the system, and money also makes a big difference, the courts are most injust and evil when it comes to children who are still legal chattel.


GravatarWhen they married, both my ex and ATM had daughters that were 15.

Hmmm.


GravatarAnd here's a weird one: the odds of a second marriage ending in divorce approaches 100% where one member of the couple has a daughter between the ages of 11 and 15

I'm in the clear!


Gravatargrrls, we better switch to pr0n and 'ball. we've skeerd all the menfolk away, harpies that we are.
chicago dyke, dope-free | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:12 pm | #

thank Dog Sinfonian is brave enough to stick with us through the annals of our travails.


GravatarSpeaking of child issues, Jr. is in pain. Back later. Catch you patriotz laterz.


GravatarI'm not gettin' married, 'cause people generally suck.
.


GravatarHere is my house
http://vtwayback.blogspot.com/20...ttle- house.html

Here is the view from our boudoir.
http://vtwayback.blogspot.com/20...om- balcony.html

Here is the view from our neighborhhod beach.
http://vtwayback.blogspot.com/20...hood- beach.html

Here is the worlds cutest kid (no relation of mine)
http://vtwayback.blogspot.com/20...cutest- kid.html

And here are some happy democrats
http://vtwayback.blogspot.com/20...-jay- lorie.html

All pix taken yesterday. Click any to enlarge.


GravatarI had something of the same experience you did Terry, the ex went over the edge in 2001 but it was a long time building. I can only describe it like being ground slowly under a millstone as your life and humanity are stripped away. I had 23 years of it.
therealhusseinkitty


I got blindsided.

Never told me he was "unhappy" but told my then-14 year old son in an e-mail a year later that he'd been feeling trapped and unhappy for a long time.

Seems he considered being expected to act like an adult "being held in bondage" (actually put that on his AOL homepage). Seems he never wanted the responsibility of kids, especially when they became teenagers.

I put up with a lot of shit from the SOB over the years because I was naive enough to take my marriage vows seriously....and I got kicked in the teeth for it.

What a piece of work....and karma has come back to bite him in the ass.


GravatarI still haven't figured out when & how we're going to Cali this summer (it has to be sometime in August, when the whole fam will be there).
ina, pear cardamom


Bro coming from Paris, by any chance?


GravatarWhen my counselor finally told me he was trying to kill me did it really fall into place.
therealhusseinkitty



the hands around my neck, banging my head into the floor while kicking me in the gut with his knees, convinced me. all while shouting at me how much it was "my fault."


crap, duty calls. later, bitches. i say that in total and complete love.


Gravatarthe courts are most injust and evil when it comes to children who are still legal chattel.
rootless-e, unconcerned



They tried to force my son (15 at the time; hardly a baby) to go up to Staten Island, NY to visit with my ex and the tramp he dumped me for. My son couldn't stand the crazy bitch.

After three visits, my son said "no fucking way" and refused.

I think the ex tried to force the visitation to hurt me, because when my son dug in his heels, he never went back to court about it.


GravatarWell, I don't bring it up much, I hope that means I'm healing. I do mention that if not for the men of Eschaton, I might have been a bitter manhater. As long as I know they are not all sexist, control-freaks, I'm good.


GravatarI wasn't scared away - just busy preparing my annual post drawing parallels between the Declaration of Independence's charges against King George and the behavior of the Bush junta.


GravatarNice pictures, Gromit.

Hi, Howard and Judy!


GravatarGromit:


Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry nice!


GravatarWell, I don't bring it up much, I hope that means I'm healing. I do mention that if not for the men of Eschaton, I might have been a bitter manhater. As long as I know they are not all sexist, control-freaks, I'm good.
camelot


The men of Eschaton rawk!


Gravatari had a friend who served as guardian ad litem and that's when I decided I was not necessarily against the death penalty.


GravatarBro coming from Paris, by any chance?
SteveLG


Yes! The past three years we've all been in Cali in June, but James got tired of being the only person left in Paris when all the locals went on vacation in August, so he'll be in Cali for the whole month.


Gravatarcamelot:

For long time, I COULDN'T talk about.

That's how I know I have pretty much healed.

And, here, you have good people who are willing to let you vent. Many have been there and understand.


Gravatarthe guys who want to talk about men's rights are a very creepy crew indeed.


GravatarThe men of Eschaton rawk!

I'm not sure I'd go that far, but from the stories you've shared I think we do try harder to keep our women happy and fulfilled than the average knucklehead out there.


Gravatarhe'll be in Cali for the whole month.
ina, pear cardamom


Excellent!


GravatarI wasn't scared away - just busy preparing my annual post drawing parallels between the Declaration of Independence's charges against King George and the behavior of the Bush junta.
George Johnston


My daughter bought Vince Bugliosi's book the other day.

Dying to read it when she finishes it.


GravatarI think the ex tried to force the visitation to hurt me, because when my son dug in his heels, he never went back to court about it.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:18 pm | #

my son was 13 at the time. I insisted on supervised visitation. Spouse agreed for what reason I don't know. All he did was complain about the expense and try to convince son that it was all my fault. Son wasn't buying the BS. Ex tried may times to convert him to his viewpoint. One day I dropped him off for the visit, Ex went into one of his rambling rants then said"I'm not going to keep coming here if you aren't going to cooperate (read buy my BS)" Son said "fine, I'm done". After spouse left, the counselor asked him what he thought. Son said, " I have learned a lot from game theory. One of the key things is never tell your opponent how to beat you. He made that mistake"


GravatarI still can't get over that morning view -- how lovely to wake to that!


GravatarSeems he considered being expected to act like an adult "being held in bondage"

Well, I can agree with that!

Seems he never wanted the responsibility of kids...

I think a lot of people should be a lot more honest about this when they get married. A kid is a minimal 18-year commitment (the 18 years are the required part - after that, it's more of an option or year-to-year thing). Do you really fucking want that? If not, it would be great if people didn't feel so much societal pressure to pretend it's something they DO want.


GravatarAnd, here, you have good people who are willing to let you vent. Many have been there and understand.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |

I absolutely agree, and feel free to express yourself to me any time you need.

I just have this weird 'I can handle it all myself thing' going on. [Everyone has problems, who wants to hear yours?] That and guilt are the gifts my mother gave me.


GravatarIt seems to me Reagan didn't surge until November, once it was clear he was gone soon.

And the continuous news retrospectives of his accomplishments minus the lowlights. Little did we know his shining moment of the hostages being released as he was sworn in had been bought and paid for by shipments of arms to Iranian radical Muslims.


GravatarSon said, " I have learned a lot from game theory. One of the key things is never tell your opponent how to beat you. He made that mistake"

That kid should run for fucking president!


GravatarI don't see where they say what the Republican approval of Reagan was. Since this was a GOP convention, only Republican opinion would matter, right?

Same is true with Bush's approval (or lack thereof). My Republican friends and relatives HATE Bush with the fiery passion of those who have been betrayed.


GravatarI have to agree, the men of Eschaton rock. You guys are pretty wunnerful.


GravatarExcellent!
SteveLG |


Do you have any plans to head this way? Perhaps for the Green River Festival?


Gravatar[Everyone has problems, who wants to hear yours?]

Lot of that one going around.


GravatarAfternoon, all.

Been away for a bit...are we hating on anybody I should know about?


GravatarSon said, " I have learned a lot from game theory. One of the key things is never tell your opponent how to beat you. He made that mistake"

Apparently a lot of people's last words are "Go ahead and shoot!"


Gravataron FISA, the Iraq war, campaign finance and the Second Amendment, Messiah Hussein Obama drops trou and shows his black and white ass to the nutroot fringe of erstwhile Obamagasmics, Obamaholics and Obamorons looking haplessly, helplessly on...

the horror!

the humanity!

the comedy!


GravatarThat kid should run for fucking president!
dave™© | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:26 pm | #

He's a pretty smart fellow. Unfortunate that he can't afford to go to college. He'll be 20 in a few days.


GravatarBeen away for a bit...are we hating on anybody I should know about?
steve hüssein® simels

No, but I have an extremely long post at the homepage.


GravatarI'm not sure I'd go that far, but from the stories you've shared I think we do try harder to keep our women happy and fulfilled than the average knucklehead out there.
Gromit |

This makes me happy.


GravatarChicago Dyke,

Since you asked, I have an ex who on random occasions would come after me with a kitchen knife, or kick a pet cat. One time I found her trying to figure out how to work a pellet gun. I confiscated it. She later left a clipping on the kitchen table of a sale for a local gun dealer. She refused any sort of counseling, and often screamed at me for hours about her job (tenure track at a state university). She cut up our credit cards. She destroyed a lot of my friendships because she never showed this side to anyone else. Thank god there was not money or children involved. But it shut me down. I had never seen such violence. It finally took the police and a good friend to end things.


GravatarBeen away for a bit...are we hating on anybody I should know about?

From very subtle signals, I sense that some female Atriots are not entirely enamored of their exes. But I could be wrong.


GravatarWhen you take away the parts that T. Jefferson wrote the post isn't that long...


GravatarApparently a lot of people's last words are "Go ahead and shoot!"

I think that's regional. In some places, last words are, "hold mah beer and watch this!"


GravatarDo you have any plans to head this way? Perhaps for the Green River Festival?
ina, pear cardamom


Oh... we'd love to. My elder daughter in particular has said so.

But I think I need to stay closer to home... we'll probably go to Busch Gardens for a couple of days, visit a couple of VA schools and do a few other odd celebratory things.

I have a lot of stuff on my plate. It's all stuff with a really good up-side, if I stay focused. But none of it is pleasant.


GravatarMy daughter bought Vince Bugliosi's book the other day.

Dying to read it when she finishes it.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:23 pm | #


Ever read his Manson Family book?

Creepy isn't the word, although it's not as good as Ed Sanders' "The Family."


GravatarThis makes me happy.

If you're happy, I'm happy!

(This works every time!)


Gravatarmy son was 13 at the time. I insisted on supervised visitation. Spouse agreed for what reason I don't know. All he did was complain about the expense and try to convince son that it was all my fault. Son wasn't buying the BS. Ex tried may times to convert him to his viewpoint. One day I dropped him off for the visit, Ex went into one of his rambling rants then said"I'm not going to keep coming here if you aren't going to cooperate (read buy my BS)" Son said "fine, I'm done". After spouse left, the counselor asked him what he thought. Son said, " I have learned a lot from game theory. One of the key things is never tell your opponent how to beat you. He made that mistake"
therealhusseinkitty


My ex wanted the divorce but dragged it out for a year (I filed - pro se) with the visitation shit.

See, back in 1982, his brother walked out on a 8-months-pregnant wife (with three other kids under the age of for a co-worker. To make a long story short, six months after she had the baby, the poor girl killed herself. I guess he thought my kids were just going to be accepting like his brother's kids were.

Well, my kids were 14 and 17 at the time he pulled this bullshit and they were going to accept it. They were not little kids.

He has been dead to my daughter ever since then and my son has every little contact with him.

I wonder if he ever WILL realize what he threw away because he didn't want to be an adult.


GravatarBut it shut me down. I had never seen such violence. It finally took the police and a good friend to end things.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ | 07.05.08 - 2:28 pm | #

Glad that you were able to get out of it. No one really knew the hell we went through either. We kept it to ourselves.

Gromit, you have a lovely home. Vermont is just beautiful. May I ask what it is you do that you can live in the area?


Gravatarf not, it would be great if people didn't feel so much societal pressure to pretend it's something they DO want.
dave™©


I agree. We need many more positive role models of people living fulfilled lives, choosing not to have children.

I really wanted children & had a long time to prepare & plan for them, and still, it is shocking to me, a child care professional, how demanding a job parenting is. But you can't actually say that to someone who thinks they want kids & have them hear it.


GravatarI think that's regional. In some places, last words are, "hold mah beer and watch this!"
montag

I guess those are from the Darwin Award nominees instead of homicide investigations.


GravatarThree children under the age eight.


I don't know why it does 8 that when you try to type the nunmber eight.


GravatarApparently a lot of people's last words are "Go ahead and shoot!"
George Johnston | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:27 pm | #


aka 'bring it on'


Gravatar...it's not as good as Ed Sanders' "The Family."

That was a good 'un.

I like the theory that the real targets weren't Sharon Tate, but Terry Melcher, who had lived in the same house when Manson was trying to get a recording contract.

Dennis Wilson, who also befriended "The Wizard," went into hiding right after.

BTW, kids, it's the 40th anniversary of the Tate-LoBianco killings this August!


Gravataris shocking to me, a child care professional, how demanding a job parenting is.

It is, but when you love your kids the way you do there's a significant margin for error.

Don't forget that.


Gravatar"ok, if you're sure it's not loaded"


GravatarI don't know why it does 8 that when you try to type the nunmber eight.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:33 pm | #


it's the ) - turns it into a smiley


GravatarEver read his Manson Family book?

Creepy isn't the word, although it's not as good as Ed Sanders' "The Family."
steve hüssein® simels


I've read "Helter Skelter" and "The Family".

Have just recently re-read "Helter Skelter."


GravatarShe destroyed a lot of my friendships because she never showed this side to anyone else
But it shut me down

Been there. Sorry you had to go through that.


GravatarI guess "Surges" in the 80's didn't even last 6 months. (1 Friedman Unit)


Gravatar40th anniversary of Woodstock, the Manson killings, and Disney's "Haunted Mansion" - all coming up in August.

Think of the product tie-ins!


Gravatarleibniz leibkins ♘☮"




I feel your pain, my friend.


GravatarSorry - I meant next August.

Simels etc...


GravatarTerryC,

My daughter put her feelings into a live journal. It was agonizing and I couldn't read it. I had advised her to do so and then send him the link.
He sent her a letter telling her that
his actions (the abuse) was all her fault. She had a brief period of time where she had something to do with him then stopped after he reneged on yet another promise.


Gravatarmorning bats

what exciting things are happening today?


GravatarBTW, kids, it's the 40th anniversary of the Tate-LoBianco killings this August!
dave™©


At a concert this Spring, I introduced a friend to the boy I like, "Sharon..." "Tate."


GravatarI guess if I say "Sheryl Homosexual Stolberg" that will start all that stuff up again.

So I won't.

Wonder what I want to drink now... have that rarest thing: a Saturday off! and it seems to be my mission not to draw a completely sober breath during daylight hours.


GravatarHe sent her a letter telling her that
his actions (the abuse) was all her fault



Oh, please - I love how abusers try to blame their victims.

The people who cause all kinds of pain are always telling the people they hurt to "get over it."


Gravatarthat his actions (the abuse) was all her fault.

My blood boils. I've known that.


GravatarIt is, but when you love your kids the way you do there's a significant margin for error.

Don't forget that.
SteveLG


Thank you, SteveLG. I do so appreciate the support in here. I do love them very much AND I make a lot of mistakes. I finally figured out that one of the reasons the almost-8 yo is screaming so much is that she's on the cusp of puberty. That has helped.


GravatarOh, and I love how my (late) ex mother in law....who thought HER boys were ALWAYS blameless...said that my kids were "still young" and that "they would get over it."

She was dead to us after that remark.


GravatarI guess "Surges" in the 80's didn't even last 6 months. (1 Friedman Unit)

Do tell?


GravatarSo like nobody's noticed my new gravatar?


I am depressed....


Gravatarand it seems to be my mission not to draw a completely sober breath during daylight hours.
SteveLG | 07.05.08 - 2:38 pm |




GravatarThat's why I love this place.

People let you vent and they don't put you down because many have been through the same shit.


GravatarLubyanka

Things should be looking up for you soon.

After the GOP special election losses in Illinois, Louisiana and Mississippi, McCain fired his campaign managers a few days ago in a desperate attempt to get back in the game.

Better move to Utah and be certain of GOP government.


GravatarBTW, good one from Greenwald.


Gravatarcamelot and terry c-

Thanks. I prefer to say nothing, but chicago dyke asked for another side. And although I think this is a pig-headed sexist society, human interactions cast a few more shadows.


GravatarSo like nobody's noticed my new gravatar?


I am depressed....

steve hüssein® simels |


I DID notice. I was gonna ask you how you sorted it out (or did it just finally show up?) Is it you?


Gravatar
At a concert this Spring, I introduced a friend to the boy I like, "Sharon..." "Tate."
ina, pear cardamom | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:38 pm | #


whenever I meet somebody at a concert, I always say "didn't I meet you at the bummer tent at Woodstock?"


GravatarThe people who cause all kinds of pain are always telling the people they hurt to "get over it."
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:39 pm | #

I found out later that he had accused me of infidelity to my children. They knew, because they were homeschooled, that I never went anywhere so it was total bullshit. He just spun all the way out into the outer orbit of Pluto.
I stood in between the abuse he wanted to mete out to the children and got plenty myself as the buffer and as the spouse.


GravatarSo like nobody's noticed my new gravatar?

I'll bite - whodat?


GravatarThe whole 'image is everything' part of my husband and George W. Bush at the same time almost put me over the top. Taking responsibility for your actions doesn't seem to be an American value.


I need to stay off of the threads until I have had some of the caffeine beer.


Gravatarand it seems to be my mission not to draw a completely sober breath during daylight hours.
SteveLG


Reading some of the stories here -- I can't blame you.

Might just join you......


GravatarHave niece and great-niece in abusive relationships. Mothers both college degreed professionals. Our whole family cringes whenever someone goes "have you heard the latest abt..


Gravatarcamelot and terry c-

Thanks. I prefer to say nothing, but chicago dyke asked for another side. And although I think this is a pig-headed sexist society, human interactions cast a few more shadows.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮



Yes, indeed.


GravatarSo like nobody's noticed my new gravatar?


I've been fucking with you about it for two days...


GravatarSteve, I did notice too. Who is that guy?


Gravatarsimels' original gravatar was Yanni with T Rex.


GravatarI found out later that he had accused me of infidelity to my children. therealhusseinkitty


Oh, yeah - projection.

They're the ones cattin' around but they accuse the victim of infidelity.

That didn't happen in my case, but I know of folks it did happen to.


GravatarBTW, good one from Greenwald.
dave


Have you ever read the comments over there. People are very pissed off. Very.


GravatarSteve, I did notice too. Who is that guy?
therealhusseinkitty | 07.05.08 - 2:45 pm | #


Me, during my Alice Cooper period, circa 1974...


Gravatarjc in ky:



Here's hoping those women get out of there soon.

Before they end up in a morgue.


GravatarSo like nobody's noticed my new gravatar?

I am depressed....
steve hüssein® simels


is there a Haloscan bummer tent?


GravatarMight just join you......
flory




We have a party to attend this evening, otherwise I'd be pouring.


Gravatarcamelot,

several years ago I posted a comparative analysis here of GWB's behavior and that of the abusive spouse. The parallels are horrifyingly similar.


GravatarHave you ever read the comments over there. People are very pissed off. Very.
qlª


Now, see....I wuz gonna read the link.

But now I'm not so sure.
Do I wanna get pissed off on a lovely saturday morning?


GravatarMe, during my Alice Cooper period, circa 1974...

Your Muscle of Love period?


GravatarI remember thinking around the time, well, at least America has had enough of being ruled by total and complete buffoons...

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT. WRONG!


GravatarGood afternoon, you lovely Moonbats! I finished the skull & crossbones design on the sweater that I am making for G/Son. I did not, however, clean out the shed. Yet.


Gravatarsteve -- did you have to do anything to make the new one show up? inspired by you, i tried to switch mine, but it hasn't shown up yet...


Gravataroops. wrong email! that's NOT the new one!


GravatarHave you ever read the comments over there. People are very pissed off. Very.

What surprises me is that people are surprised.


GravatarWe have a party to attend this evening, otherwise I'd be pouring.
qlª


That's a reason *not* to indulge?
Hunh.....


Me, during my Alice Cooper period, circa 1974...

steve hüssein® simels


Had a thing for snakes did you?


GravatarThat didn't happen in my case, but I know of folks it did happen to.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:46 pm | #

Interesting point, one that I hadn't considered. He worked from home but did a lot of traveling. Always made a big deal out of how "scared he was of women so he would never cheat". Fucker.


Gravatarseveral years ago I posted a comparative analysis here of GWB's behavior and that of the abusive spouse. The parallels are horrifyingly similar.
therealhusseinkitty



His supporters certainly remind me of an abused spouse.

With a major case of Stockholm Syndrome.


GravatarHe worked from home but did a lot of traveling. Always made a big deal out of how "scared he was of women so he would never cheat". Fucker.
therealhusseinkitty


I was working a second job to help out and he was on the computer trolling the AA chatrooms looking for my replacement.

Nice, huh?


GravatarI finished the skull & crossbones design on the sweater that I am making for G/Son.

Ooh is he lucky!


GravatarI finished the skull & crossbones design on the sweater that I am making for G/Son. I did not, however, clean out the shed. Yet.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator


I think a nice martini is in order before you tackle the shed.


GravatarSteve, do you have any pictures of yourself that aren't Daguerrotypes?

something a little more current maybee?


GravatarI finished the skull & crossbones design on the sweater that I am making for G/Son.
Can I have one, too?


GravatarI was working a second job to help out and he was on the computer trolling the AA chatrooms looking for my replacement.

Nice, huh?
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08


You do understand how lucky you are to be rid of this loser, don't you?


GravatarMiss Thing believes that I make the bed so that it will be easier for her to find the sweet spot between the pillows for her nap.


GravatarNice, huh?
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:52 pm | #

sounds like a real prize.


GravatarAlso the way the Dems act meek, afraid to be bold, is very much like I was/am. Low self-esteem.

Hey Democratic party, we've got your back, act like Dems dammit!


GravatarYou do understand how lucky you are to be rid of this loser, don't you?
flory


Let's put it this way, my friend.

When all this happened 10 years ago, I was devastated. I was operating on automatic pilot for a long time. Considered suicide but snapped out of it and went for help.

Was on Zoloft for six months.

Was walking around with a pain in my chest that never went away,

Now....a decade later:

He did me a favor.


GravatarDamn, the clothes and dishes won't wash themselves.


GravatarMiniature American flags, planted all around the rich people's hood just up the hill. Kang and/or Kodos must have been through...


GravatarHecate, she has a wonderful look in her eyes.


GravatarSaw the skull and cross-bones appear on planes of the U.S. military in a mid-'70s teebee commercial. Kinda felt like something was up, even then. . .


GravatarI finished the skull & crossbones design on the sweater that I am making for G/Son.
Can I have one, too?


Pattern turned out to be much more complicated than I thought it would be. But it's going to be cute; I'll try to post a picture after I finish the final sleeve.

Next sweater is going to be cables. I can do cables w/o counting teeeny tiiiiny squares.


GravatarNice, huh?
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08

sounds like a real prize.
therealhusseinkitty


My own fault, in a way. Low self esteem.

My father had me so convinced that I couldn't get anyone else, I settled for the first one who showed interest.

I was only 21 - what the fuck was I thinking???????????


GravatarSaw the skull and cross-bones appear on planes of the U.S. military



Did McCain pose for them, I wonder?


GravatarNext sweater is going to be cables. I can do cables w/o counting teeeny tiiiiny squares.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:56 pm | #

I love to knit but haven't done so in many years. Living in TX vs Oregon has made the need for serious warmies a bit obsolete and not worth the investment of time.


GravatarMiniature American flags, planted all around the rich people's hood just up the hill. Kang and/or Kodos must have been through...

In my neighborhood, lately, the new thing is to have someone's yard pink flamingoes. Like, it's your friend's birthday and you have this company (really) go put a few dozen pink flamingoes in his yard late at night with a sign that says, "Happy Birthday from Your Friend Bob" or whatever. Then, the next day, the company comes and takes all the pink flamingoes down. It's v weird.


GravatarMiss Thing



Oooooooooooooooh - she's purty!!!!


GravatarMy father had me so convinced that I couldn't get anyone else, I settled for the first one who showed interest.

I was only 21 - what the fuck was I thinking???????????
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:57 pm | #

Are you sure we aren't related?


GravatarAre you sure we aren't related?
therealhusseinkitty




Gravatartherealhusseinkitty,


There are a couple of groups that knit hats for preemies and a couple of groups that knit stocking caps for poor kids. I don't have a link but should be easy to find on the google. And, there's always afghans for nursing homes.


GravatarTerry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 3:00 pm | #

funny you should mention it though, he married a woman he'd met online four months after the divorce was final. She had a 12 year old daughter.


GravatarHe did me a favor.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08


He did.
The real crime is he put you thru so much misery on the way.


Gravatargood idea Hecate, the cold season is nearing and if I get a running start something could be done soon. I also need to spin the 10+ pounds of wool hiding in the closets here.


GravatarOkay, think I'll go watch Stargate Sg-1

Back in a bit...


GravatarGromit, you have a lovely home. Vermont is just beautiful. May I ask what it is you do that you can live in the area?

I'm a university prof, and Dr Mrs Gromit is an MD.


Gravatarhere's the swiftboaters! I knew they'd emerge...

Vets for Freedom, with Lieberliar and Lindsay Graham newly resigned from the board (conflict of interest you know).

Their multi-million dollar ad campaign due to start next week, thru Nov. Subject: success of troop buildup in Iraq.

Could it be Obama's recent hedging is a brace against these ads?


GravatarMiss Thing believes that I make the bed so that it will be easier for her to find the sweet spot between the pillows for her nap.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator


It's nice of her to let you use *her* bed every night, too......


GravatarI'm a university prof, and Dr Mrs Gromit is an MD.
Gromit | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 3:05 pm | #

without giving too much away, what subject do you teach?


Gravatarsteve -- did you have to do anything to make the new one show up? inspired by you, i tried to switch mine, but it hasn't shown up yet...
ina, pear cardamom | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 2:49 pm | #


No, it takes a little time, probably because of the holiday...


Gravatar I also need to spin the 10+ pounds of wool hiding in the closets here.
therealhusseinkitty


sheep in the closet?


Gravatartherealhusseinkitty

Oh, I wish that I could spin. Spinning wheels are such lovely things.


GravatarCould it be Obama's recent hedging is a brace against these ads?
el


If it is it's because he's hired the same campaign strategist morons that've managed to lose us the last two elections.
You don't win these arguments by going on the defensive. You win them by attacking them.
The surge is doing nothing but keeping troops tied down in Iraq that are needed in Afghanistan. Which is where bin Laden was, last time I checked.


Gravatarwithout giving too much away, what subject do you teach?

Molecular genetics, everyone's favorite subject.


Gravatarthe library here held a 'decorate a flamingo' thing to raise money...


Gravatar(scroll down a teeny bit)


Gravatarmolecular genetics is an easy subject. Jocks mostly take that punk ass class.


GravatarIn my perfect world, this happens a lot more frequently. Imagine if it did.

This wouldn't be such an internet hit if lots of people didn't feel the same way.


GravatarHecate:
Link didn't work.


GravatarIna,

I love those!


Gravatarmolecular genetics is an easy subject. Jocks mostly take that punk ass class.
trifecta


No kidding. I'm sure I'd have the whole football team if my uni had one.


GravatarOh, I wish that I could spin. Spinning wheels are such lovely things.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 3:08 pm | #

It isn't all that hard. I enjoy the rhythm of the work. I have a Schaacht wheel and like to work in worsted style. Take a few classes I think you would really like it. There are a LOT of excellent resources online. It took me about three months to get really good at it.


GravatarSecond try.

I even previewed it. Haloscan hates me.


GravatarI love those!
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |


It was a pretty cool event.


GravatarMolecular genetics, everyone's favorite subject.
Gromit | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 3:09 pm | #

Just about as easy as biomechanics.
I have a friend who recently graduated from Marlboro with a degree in O-chem. She said it is a really
interesting place.


Gravatarokay, it sounds like there is a toy horse who has escaped its construction paper stall and my wranglin' help is needed. i'm gonna go conjure up my best marilyn misfit monroe...

bye for now.


GravatarTick, tick, tick.

The words 'molecular genetics' never fail to kill a conversation. If you ever have guests who overstay their welcome, just give me a call.


GravatarYou don't win these arguments by going on the defensive. You win them by attacking them.

It's clear the republicans are staging events to plug McCain into. Come November, Iraq will resemble Switzerland.


GravatarTick, tick, tick.

The words 'molecular genetics' never fail to kill a conversation.


Three words: Public Utility Regulation


GravatarGromit, it might help if we knew what it was. I can guess but I'll probably not be correct.


Gravatar
The words 'molecular genetics' never fail to kill a conversation. If you ever have guests who overstay their welcome, just give me a call.


When I tell people that I've got a PhD in physics, a common reaction I've gotten is "Isn't that boring?".


GravatarThree words: Public Utility Regulation

zzzzzzz..what?....zzzzzz

(That's the trivial infrastructure stuff that no one needs to know about, right?)


Gravatarnow if Professor Wombat were here, the conversation would surely be lively on the subject.


Gravatar"Isn't that boring?".
Richard | 07.05.08 - 3:17 pm | #

so, what was the topic of your dissertation?


GravatarWhen I tell people that I've got a PhD in physics, a common reaction I've gotten is "Isn't that boring?".

I don't see how any science can be boring. A lot of it is way over my head, but never boring. Before I realized that numbers and I have such a complicated relationship, I used to think that I'd love to study astronomy, and, if I can ever afford to retire, I still may. I may have to take 101 about six times, but, hey when you're retired you can do that!


GravatarThat is the crux of the Republicans’ 2008 convention quandary. If the imagery coming out of St. Paul looks like a McCain-Bush hug fest, the Arizona senator will turn off voters who are through with Mr. Bush and want to move past him. If the imagery looks like Mr. McCain is trying to file for some kind of Republican divorce, it will turn off party conservatives who are already skeptical of Mr. McCain.

McStain not only hugged Dumbya, he laid his head on Dumbya's breast.

That revolting sight can never be erased from memory.


GravatarMolecular genetics, everyone's favorite subject.
Gromit


I have a very vague clue as to what that is. And that's all I need.

Terry, sometimes it works. I met Mr. ql when I was 20 and we started to live together within a month. We got married two years later and have been together ever since. I'm 58 today.


GravatarGromit, it might help if we knew what it was.

Mostly it's about the gory details of how cells turn specific genes on and off in response to this, that and the other thing (environment, food,development, stress, etc). And what happens When It All Goes Wrong.


GravatarWhen I tell people that I've got a PhD in physics, a common reaction I've gotten is "Isn't that boring?".
Richard

my son wants a PhD in physics. He's gonna have a BS in Mechanical Engineering next year (one semester left). He's only 20.


Gravatar(That's the trivial infrastructure stuff that no one needs to know about, right?)

Perzactly!

I was once at a party and someone asked what I was working on and I said, "I have a new rate case." They were fascinated until they realized that I meant how fast utility poles depreciate and what level of compensation goes into rate base and not -- rape.


GravatarHecate, that's an awesome dancing clip. Who is the dancer? He's done a lot of travelling...


GravatarHappy Birthday, ql!

And I hope Mr ql has an appropriate celebration planned, once his butt dries.


GravatarAnd what happens When It All Goes Wrong.

This is called aging, right?


GravatarMostly it's about the gory details of how cells turn specific genes on and off in response to this, that and the other thing (environment, food,development, stress, etc). And what happens When It All Goes Wrong.
Gromit | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 3:20 pm | #

sounds fascinating. Can you recommend any reading for the lay person on the subject?


Gravatarmolecular genetics is an easy subject. Jocks mostly take that punk ass class.

Too cool.

The genetics professor when I was in college was the scourge of the department. His test philosophy was that the A students would have trouble finishing it, and so on.

Luckily, I was a chem major and genetics wasn't required for that.


GravatarQl, I thought of you at our July 4 arts festival, big deal in our town.

First place in crafts division was a BIG quilt, pictorial landscape with land, sea, homes, rocky shore.

And it was actually beautiful.


GravatarI'm 58 today.

Happy, happy birthday, you Cancer, you! We water signs need to stick together.

I hope Mr. ql and your girls are feting you all day long!


Gravatar


He's a pretty smart fellow. Unfortunate that he can't afford to go to college. He'll be 20 in a few days.
Community College for two years, then apply to state four-year schools????


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GravatarHappy Birthday, ql!!


GravatarHecate, I have the same relationship with math that you do. However, the introductory astronomy course I took didn't involve much of it. I got a A for the class & lab. Don't let the math scare you off you won't have to repeat.


Gravatar
my son wants a PhD in physics. He's gonna have a BS in Mechanical Engineering next year (one semester left). He's only 20.


This sounds like the direction he might want to go in...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEMS
Microelectromechanical systems (MEMS) is the technology of the very small, and merges at the nano-scale into nanoelectromechanical systems (NEMS) and nanotechnology. MEMS are also referred to as micromachines (in Japan), or Micro Systems Technology - MST (in Europe). MEMS are separate and distinct from the hypothetical vision of Molecular nanotechnology or Molecular Electronics. MEMS are made up of components between 1 to 100 micrometers in size (i.e. 0.001 to 0.1 mm) and MEMS devices generally range in size from a 20 micrometers (20 millionth of a meter) to a millimeter (thousandth of a meter). They usually consist of a central unit that processes data, the microprocessor and several components that interact with the outside such as microsensors[1]. At these size scales, the standard constructs of classical physics do not always hold true. Due to MEMS' large surface area to volume ratio, surface effects such as electrostatics and wetting dominate volume effects such as inertia or thermal mass.

The potential of very small machines was appreciated long before the technology existed that could make them—see, for example, Feynman's famous 1959 lecture There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom. MEMS became practical once they could be fabricated using modified semiconductor fabrication technologies, normally used to make electronics. These include molding and plating, wet etching (KOH, TMAH) and dry etching (RIE and DRIE), electro discharge machining (EDM), and other technologies capable of manufacturing very small devices.


GravatarCan you recommend any reading for the lay person on the subject?

The Cartoon Guide To Genetics, for the basics:

http://www.amazon.com/Cartoon-Gu...15285645&sr=8- 1

And the NYT science section for the current action. They really do a great job.


GravatarHappy bday ql!!!!


GravatarTerry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 3:00 pm | #

funny you should mention it though, he married a woman he'd met online four months after the divorce was final. She had a 12 year old daughter.
therealhusseinkitty


My ex waited two years to marry the one he met.

I heard there was an ultimatum involved. Neither her family nor her friends liked him.


GravatarThis sounds like the direction he might want to go in...

thanks, Richard, I'll pass that along to him. He's a kid will multiple interests- music, computer animation, and of course video games!! It's been so fun raising him.

He's gonna apply to MIT for graduate school. Hope he gets in and gets a scholarship too.


GravatarTwo words fruit flies


GravatarAt the 1988 Republican convention, Ronald Reagan was already suffering from dementia due to early-onset Alzheimers.

Reagan was showing all the signs that my dad, who passed in 1990, was showing.

In fact, I'd say that during the last half of Reagan's second term, his early-onset Alzheimer's condition was a closely-guarded secret in his administration, with Reagan's periods of mental acuity becoming less and less frequent...but the Republicans were unwilling to have Reagan resign, for the good of our country, because they didn't want another Republican resigning so soon after Nixon.

Which is why Republicans today, with the help of some lapdog DLC Blue Dog Democrats, are running interference for George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, even as these two lead our country into one disaster after another.

The "good of our country" is not the top priority of most Republicans. Or at the least, what they believe to be "good for our country" has proven to be anything but "good for our country." (I don't think I have to list here all the bubble-of-insanity Republican policies that have harmed our nation, and our children's future, so much, do I?)


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