I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I agree.
when people are too dumb to 'get' the 1st amendment; do you think it can continually be upheld?
and yes, this means i believe people are getting dumber
I disagree
So close.
The right of free speech is a quaint relic. And its not even really part of the Constitution!
/Scalia
I disagree
GuyInMilwaukee
You have offended my honor, sir.
I choose pistols at dawn!
I have no doubt that continuing to allow people to speak their minds without appropriate legal controls will cause the deaths of Americans.
/Scalia
Me too.
/Clarence
I disagree
GuyInMilwaukee
you aren't allowed to say that. unless you are standing in a "disagree speech zone."
it's about 3 miles that way.
Yes, it's important to note that our history is quite different that that of, say, Austria, considering the context of the David Irving case (couldn't happen to a nicer guy, of course).
But if we speak freely, the terraists will get us! We have to watch what we say!
when people are too dumb to 'get' the 1st amendment; do you think it can continually be upheld?
When high schoolers think unpopular opinions should be censored, I worry about when they grow up.
Yeah, I know we all believed stupid shit in high school, but some people never really graduate.
What Scalia said.
/Thomas
It is different in other countries. This is a fundamental American right.
Gee - you suppose that's why I've been calling these people UnAmerican all these years?
Senator Leahy reams Mr. Squeaky!
Coke to That Guy
/Thomas
Just Another Zero |
he ... he ... he SPOKE! it's a miracle!
Loose lips sink ships.
Senator Leahy reams Mr. Squeaky!
GWPDA
The squeaky voice of evil!
On Point is doing a show on Veeps for both Obama and McCain.
Howard Fineman thinks Obama should pick Sam Nunn, who has been out of office for 12 years.
These people are so inbred they think their cocktail party conversations are revealed wisdom and that when one of their club dies the flag should be lowered to half staff.
When high schoolers think unpopular opinions should be censored
i don't care if they think it, but they shouldn't be allowed to say it out loud.
It is different in other countries. This is a fundamental American right.
bajsa, dfh
Erm... that may be was already...
or crist, hoping he will be mistaken for a heterosexual
::matthew, Mc=W³ | 06.16.08 - 10:19 am | #
or thompson, hoping he will be mistaken for animate.
dirk gently, melancaholic | Homepage | 06.16.08 - 10:20 am | #
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
Are the repubs that desperate? Or so lacking in imagination?
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
and yet he felt the need to decline the position.
Officer kills man who beat toddler to death near Modesto
Robinson jumped from his vehicle and confronted the man, who lunged at him. Robinson said the man wasn't screaming and wasn't loud, but was forceful, saying "demons" were in the boy.
"Give me the knife. Give me the knife," the man said as he grabbed for a pen in the fireman's front pocket.
"There was a total hollowness in his eyes," Robinson said, "like I could see right through to the back of his head."
sick, evil fundemented cultists...i will bet this man was a god-fearing church-going person
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
That would be the ticket to end all tickets.
That's Grumpy and Sleepy, who's next?
Are the repubs that desperate? Or so lacking in imagination?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Well, they did think he was the Second Coming of Reagan for a bit.
Free Speech will be a lot safer on 1/20/2009.
That's Grumpy and Sleepy, who's next?
Jay C. | 06.16.08 - 10:29 am | #
we already had dopey.
I had a lovely convo with an off-duty Milwaukee cop at the pub last night and he explained to me how rights like habeas corpus and freedom of speech need to be curtailed because we are at war. He agreed that the Bush team was a complete mess but the courts still should not take away power from the executive.
I just don't understand these people.
I don't think he liked it when I said I thought he did not understand the basics of what America was founded on and that he should read the constitution. I saw several people back away from the bar when that crossed my beer-addled gob. It sure felt good though.
Pantload:
All of that said, I think the show [MTP] should return to a panel, at least for the time being. What's wrong with bringing three or four hard-hitting journalists to ask questions the way they used to? This is not only the best way to get a more diverse line of questioning (I would love to see Byron York or Steve Hayes on there asking questions no one else would ask), but it would help forestall some truly awful choices that seem to be in the hopper.
Are you bucking for a job, Pantload? Don't you remember how you were booted off one TV panel show because the other panelists couldn't stand your stench?
It's a right we're holding onto fairly well, and I'd be worried if we started to lose it even a bit.
Print that whole thing up small enough, it'll fit on a sign you can hold up over your head next time you're in a Free Speech Zone...
That's Grumpy and Sleepy, who's next?
Jay C. | 06.16.08 - 10:29 am | #
omfg - DOC! (frist)
What? Me Worry?
Hundreds of Taliban fighters overrun villages near Kandahar. Second War comes back to bite W's ass.
Following the lead of the airlines and their brilliant checked baggage policy, SCOTUS has decided to start charging for Free Speech -- $25 for the first utterance with an increased sliding scale for each subsequent utterance to a limit of four.
I saw several people back away from the bar when that crossed my beer-addled gob. It sure felt good though.
GuyInMilwaukee | Homepage | 06.16.08 - 10:29 am | #
let me know if you need help with bail.
authoritarian "conservatives" get the bozack
Best blogwhore ever! Cristi Adkins, BUSTED as a GOP tool!
Hilarious!
Are you bucking for a job, Pantload? Don't you remember how you were booted off one TV panel show because the other panelists couldn't stand your stench?
Lime Rickey
You is very funny, in a dark, smart way.
I've been here so long, I remember your limericks. They were brilliant, btw.
$25 for the first utterance with an increased sliding scale for each subsequent utterance to a limit of four.
Toonscribe: employed-ish | 06.16.08 - 10:30 am | #
unless of course one is on the terrorist watch list.
I've been here so long, I remember your limericks. They were brilliant, btw.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
I do miss those.
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
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It's the musky fragrance of cigars and aqua velva.
I choose pistols at dawn!
How's about blindfolds and socks filled with manure?
It's a fun spectator sport!
SO I have the right to yell 'MOVIE' in a crowded Fire House?
how rights like habeas corpus and freedom of speech need to be curtailed because we are at war.
Except we're in a war against a Noun.
My hunch is that freedom from tyranny is dependent on the interaction of a whole series of legal and political-cultural commitments that vary enormously from tyranny-free country to tyranny-free country.
I think this comment from the link is about right, although "legal" is simply the state-enforceable bit of the "political-cultural."
Free speech is far more a matter of culture than of law. Many people in America have a notion of free speech which has almost nothing to do with the Constitutional law on the subject. Few, for example, realize the 1st Amendment didn't apply to the states until after the 14th Amendment was passed. So speech restrictions that change who we are as a nation, depend on who we are as a nation now. Which, ironically, is a conservative point of view.
Fewer still realize "free speech" means the government cannot restrict your speech, but private actors (to some degree) can. "Censorship" is a state action, not a publisher refusing to print and publish your words, for example.
I wonder why anyone is bothering about speech issues. This administration has proven one thing, if nothing else--the easiest way to overcome 1st Amendment rights is to just ignore the people exercising them.
Big demonstrations bothered Nixon because he was actually pretty thin-skinned for a politician, and Johnson saw them as writing on the wall.
Bush has completely ignored them. Most of the time, he's gone away for the weekend so he'll be sure not to notice.
Setting aside for the moment some of the nastier aspects such as fencing people off a mile from events, what's the easiest way to subvert the spirit of the free speech and assembly clauses? Just ignore such petitioning. Go right ahead and do what you planned to do. It gives the protesters the illusion that they are being seen and heard, and may have an impact, and you do whatever you want inside the bubble of the WH.
Free speech costs a lot. You usually have to pay for it in blood. And once it's gone, you likely won't get it back. Only a fool would agree to let it be taken away, even just a teeny weeny little bit. Once that principle is compromised, even just a little, like atrios says, we've given up something so fundamental to our notion of who we are and the relationship between the govt. and the governed, that nothing would be the same, or safe, after that.
Bubble wrap!
Freedom of speech should probaly only be reserved for "Good Americans". The others would just abuse the priviliege.
36,000 homeless in Iowa, with former homes still filled with dirty river water.
Except we're in a war against a Noun.
I'd like to wage war on the past imperfect, myself.
They were brilliant, btw.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Thanks. I started talking in limerickese, so I hadda quit.
Free speech costs a lot.
I hear it's a buck-oh-five.
How's about blindfolds and socks filled with manure?
It's a fun spectator sport!
popular with red necks since high gas prices forced NASCAR to disband.
Wait until Glen Beck takes over Press the Meet. We're gonna miss Russert as scary as that sounds.
How's about blindfolds and socks filled with manure?
It's a fun spectator sport!
36,000 homeless in Iowa, with former homes still filled with dirty river water.
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Bush managed to issue a statement on Russert's death. Has he said anything about this major disaster?
I'm at war with the dangling participle.
I would not be surprised if it were Luke Russert.
Go right ahead and do what you planned to do. It gives the protesters the illusion that they are being seen and heard, and may have an impact, and you do whatever you want inside the bubble of the WH.
montag
Actually, seems to me, it means the protests matter not a whit, and the '60's were an aberration, and we fixed their wagons this time!
Which is as un-democratic as you can get. Which is the scary part.
Bush contemplates writing his memoir
REUTERS
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LONDON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush, scrutinized in books by former colleagues including a blistering critique by his ex-spokesman, is considering writing a memoir of his own
Im sure we all sleep with a copy of his first book"A Charge To Keep" under our pillows,so Im going to suggest the new title:"All The Beano On Earth Cannot Erase Your Stench".
Has he said anything about this major disaster?
He will be visiting the area Thursday. Sound familiar?
Wait until Glen Beck takes over Press the Meet. We're gonna miss Russert as scary as that sounds.
Oh, heaven forfend! I cannot take any more of the right wing bullshit. Seriously. No. more.
haha! thanks southern beale!
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they didn't even make the registry info private! what dopes!
Let Sam Nunn replace Tim Russert.
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Bush contemplates writing his memoir
"I don't think, therefore, I fuck up."
Since Poppy didn't write a book, I fully expect Dubya to once again do the opposite.
Whenever someone mentions "libertarian" without prefacing it with "stupid fucking" I know to pretty much ignore them...
LONDON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush, scrutinized in books by former colleagues including a blistering critique by his ex-spokesman, is considering writing a memoir of his own
A coloring book would be appropriate.
I'm at war with the dangling participle.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 06.16.08 - 10:36 am | #
[crosses legs protectively]
wasn't it said that an ignorant culture will demand authoritarian rule? and wasn't it also said that democracy required an educated electorate?
Erm... that may be was already...
minusp
Maybe that is why I live in Europe now.
Bush contemplates writing his memoir
"The funny thing is, the French don't have word for 'memoir'"
My Pet Scrot..."
Obviously the only form of free speech that counts is multi-million dollar campaign contributions from multi-national corporations. Isn't that what the founding fathers had in mind?
I'm at war with the dangling participle.
You read your Emily Dickenson
And I my Robert Frost...
I'm at war with the dangling participle.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 06.16.08 - 10:36 am | #
I love it when you talk dirty.
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(tuba/foghord) wah-wooooooow.
I'm at war with the dangling participle.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
"It's a still-life watercolor,
Of a now late afternoon..."
Oh, wait! That's "The Dangling Conversation."
My bad.
Two Paul Simon "jokes" and I was first!
WOO-HOO!
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
That would be the ticket to end all tickets.
That's Grumpy and Sleepy, who's next?
Jay C. | 06.16.08 - 10:29 am | #
You show tapes of their campaign appearances to help people cure insomnia.
i may go to war with the subjective.
YOU go to war with the IMPERATIVE!
How about a War on Fat Chicks? Am I right guys?
Wait until Glen Beck takes over Press the Meet.
Two gigantoid billboards on I-40 in downtown Nashville advertising Beck's crappy show that no one watches. CNN I'm sure regrets that loser decision. He's done nothing but cost them money.
Hundreds of Taliban fighters overrun villages near Kandahar. Second War comes back to bite W's ass.
Nobody could have foreseen...
President George W. Bush, scrutinized in books by former colleagues including a blistering critique by his ex-spokesman, is considering writing a memoir of his own
I'm taking bets that he won't let Mickey Herskowitz ghost it this time, either.
This administration certainly does have a penchant for autobiographical hagiography, doesn't it?
But, I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Numbnuts sits down to write that first chapter.
Try to imagine a fly choking with laughter....
That's Grumpy and Sleepy, who's next?
Well, we've already got Dopey in the WH.
What's this? Congress is going to sue Opec in Peoria! Whomp, price per barrel of oil goes up $10.00. Saudi Arabia raising production? Whomp, price per barrel up another $10.00.
if all goes well, someday i'll be at war with the future perfect.
I love it when you talk dirty.
krsaz
I'd blush if I were not so grumpy today. Still, I ♥ you.
Senator Leahy reams Mr. Squeaky!
Never heard him speak before. The Wally Cox from Hell...
Listening to the media sitting shiva for Russert I was struck by how many of them said he was nice to the little, unimportant people. Howie Kurtz actually called them "unimportant". They all marvelled that one of their tribe would waste his time with the hoi polloi.
Bill Press said he used to complain that Russert was harder on Dems because it was his way of being fair.
Fair? The guy had the most powerful show on Sundays and he let these assholes run roughshod over the working people he supposedly cared about. Why? Well, the money was great, but better still, he wanted to be in the loop and one of the ruling class. Mission accomplished.
Bush's Memoir:
I guessing there will be a ghost-writer.
President George W. Bush, scrutinized in books by former colleagues including a blistering critique by his ex-spokesman, is considering writing a memoir of his own
Chapter One: "I Wuz Born A Poor Black Chilz in Tex-ass."
We have always been at war with the Gerund.
CNN I'm sure regrets that loser decision.
Oh, I hope so.
LONDON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush, scrutinized in books by former colleagues including a blistering critique by his ex-spokesman, is considering writing a memoir of his own
If it ever actually gets written there will certainly be a ghost writer involved.
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
Two words: Spiro Agnew.
3 million acres of crops destroyed in Iowa.
Free Speech is an American norm in away that some of our other claimed rights aren't in that generally elites are on board with it in a way that they aren't necessarily, say, on board with strong interpretation of 4th amendment rights.
And the reason the unfettered 1st doesn't bother the elites--they control the info flow and will always have the $$ to do so.
Bush contemplates writing his memoir
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First draft:
"hiz memwah"
i may go to war with the subjective.
YOU go to war with the IMPERATIVE!
dirk gently, melancaholic
"Death to all modifiers!"--Yossarian
How about a War on Fat Chicks? Am I right guys?
ThatBadComedianGuy | 06.16.08 - 10:40 am | #
no.
rubens was.
China drilling for oil off Florida -- Fox News is still peddling it.
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
Maverick needs someone who's wife will be scrutinized more than his own Barbie doll.
"Death to all modifiers!"--Yossarian
Thank you for making me laff.
Spiro Agnew was the VP for Nixon who obviously could speak for himself, however, paranoid he may have been. Have you listened to McCain lately? He and Fred would make a hell of a pair. Wouldn't they?
Title of Bush's memoir: It was Everyone's Fault but Mine!
I'd blush if I were not so grumpy today. Still, I ♥ you.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 06.16.08 - 10:42 am | #
[uncrosses legs seductively]
Greg Jarret wasn't so bad on 9/11 when he worked for MSNBC.
Clintonsformccain registered to the RNC on May 15. Clintons4mccain info: PRIVATE!!!! Gee .. wonder why!!!!
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"While enacting such laws might not automatically send you down the slippery slope, I think if we started doing so it would signal that we'd already started heading down it."
Well, like Ari Fleischer said, Americans need to "watch what they say". Especially when the NSA is listening...
Possible Titles:
"Clearing Brush While Terrorists Make Other Plans"
"I'd Like To Have A Beer With Me"
"Why I Hate America"
"How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Destroyed A Country"
Title of Bush's memoir: It was Everyone's Fault but Mine!
Certified Mutant Enemy
Chapter Two: "Mexican Hookers Made Me Drink and Use Coke--for 30 Years!"
Blogger arrests hit record high
More bloggers than ever face arrest for exposing human rights abuses or criticising governments, says a report.
Since 2003, 64 people have been arrested for publishing their views on a blog, says the University of Washington annual report.
In 2007 three times as many people were arrested for blogging about political issues than in 2006, it revealed.
...
The report pointed out that it is not just governments in the Middle East and East Asia that have taken steps against those publishing their opinions online. In the last four years, British, French, Canadian and American bloggers have also been arrested.
The report predicted that the number of blogger arrests in 2008 would exceed the 36 seen in 2007 thanks to greater popularity of blogging as a medium, greater enforcement of net restrictions, and elections in China, Pakistan, Iran and the US.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/techn...ogy/
7456357.stm
Yes, elections do tend to incite repression.
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Title of Bush's memoir: It was Everyone's Fault but Mine!
Certified Mutant Enemy
It'll be an answer to McClellan:
"Wha' Happened?"
Title of Bush's memoir: It was Everyone's Fault but Mine!
Certified Mutant Enemy
W's whole life has been someone else's fault!
Kathryn Jean Lopez: Well count me among those who think men matter. Why do they need saving though? Don’t they usually do the rescue missions?
Kathleen Parker: Men are, indeed, excellent rescuers. We like that about men. In fact, Western men rescued women once upon a time from their status as pack mules. As my friend Matt Labash might say, I like to call that Western Civilization. Men also created the big-idea documents that ultimately resulted in women’s suffrage and equality under the law. Women have demonstrated their gratitude by reaching the summit and basically pulling the ladder up behind them. “See ya, guys. You’re on your own now. Oh, and we’re taking the kids.”
It's tough to reach the summit if you have to drag kids along.
Spiro Agnew was the VP for Nixon who obviously could speak for himself, however, paranoid he may have been.
His best lines were written by William Safire.
Just sayin'....
W's whole life has been someone else's fault!
I blame his parents...
Who's writing for McCain?
China drilling for oil off Florida -- Fox News is still peddling it.
P O'Neill
"marge, it takes 2 to lie"
/homer simpson
fuxnews lies and their braindead zombie audiences listen
I blame his parents...
Certified Mutant Enemy
So does he!
China drilling for oil off Florida -- Fox News is still peddling it.
P O'Neill
They need to switch the radio stations they receive on their fillings. This one's getting old.
i willan haven on-been at war with the future semiconditionally modified subinverted plagal past subjunctive intentional
-- dr. dan streementioner
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Kathryn Jean Lopez: Well count me among those who think men matter. Why do they need saving though?
men can open jars
We're also good at killing spiders.
men can open jars
mogwai
Yes, yes we can.
Kathryn Jean Lopez: Well count me among those who think men matter. Why do they need saving though? Don’t they usually do the rescue missions?
Kathleen Parker: Men are, indeed, excellent rescuers. We like that about men. In fact, Western men rescued women once upon a time from their status as pack mules. As my friend Matt Labash might say, I like to call that Western Civilization. Men also created the big-idea documents that ultimately resulted in women’s suffrage and equality under the law. Women have demonstrated their gratitude by reaching the summit and basically pulling the ladder up behind them. “See ya, guys. You’re on your own now. Oh, and we’re taking the kids.”
This has been brought to you by Ladies Against Women™ - your oppression isn't complete without a pair of white gloves!
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Men are good and wonderful for many things.
i war verbed nouns
ThatGuy : We're also good at killing spiders.
I'm not. They give me the willies.
I can make sandwiches. That's about it.
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K-Lo and Kathleen Parker debate the issues of the day, in a wingnut-welfare version of the Dozens.
Back in Con Law 101, our prof sparked a small debate about whether there was any basis in law to treat freedom of speech differently (i.e., with greater protection) than any other guarantee in the Bill of Rights. There's basically no textual justification for it, but most everyone agreed that as policy matter, there is a good reason to guard it more zealously. Namely, freedom of speech is a necessary precondition for the debate about any other freedom. You have to ensure that you can even talk about the issues involved with other rights, before making decisions about those rights.
Spiro Agnew was the VP for Nixon who obviously could speak for himself, however, paranoid he may have been. Have you listened to McCain lately? He and Fred would make a hell of a pair. Wouldn't they?
Well, the question was related to how "inspiring" Thompson might be. Agnew didn't inspire. He irritated. 
But, for better illustrative purposes, I suppose I should have said, "Dan Quayle."
A y chromosome is an imperfect x.
Didn't The Clash say, 'You have the right to free speech, as long as you're not dumb enough to use it' ???
Ah, Society for Cutting Up Men
Namely, freedom of speech is a necessary precondition for the debate about any other freedom. You have to ensure that you can even talk about the issues involved with other rights, before making decisions about those rights.
Nim, ham hock of liberty
Shut up! SHUT UP! CUT HIS MIKE!!!!
men can open jars
mogwai
one of the (true) best conversations i ever had:
maria: i'll never get married
me: you need a man to open jars
maria: i don't need a man. i've got one of those rubber thingies.
also, gave me the name of a wonderfully selfsufficient character in a short story: amanda openjars
NTodd has one of those rubber thingies.
P O'Neill : China drilling for oil off Florida -- Fox News is still peddling it.
Jay C : They need to switch the radio stations they receive on their fillings. This one's getting old.
Has FAUX ever been right about anything? Seriously? Not just opinion, but correct on the facts?
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If we really have free speech here, how come more people aren't inciting riots?
NTodd has one of those rubber thingies.
plantsman
[hums "every sperm is sacred"]
But, for better illustrative purposes, I suppose I should have said, "Dan Quayle."
montag | Homepage | 06.16.08 - 10:52 am |
But his hair was perfect!
men can open jars
mogwai
one of the (true) best conversations i ever had:
maria: i'll never get married
me: you need a man to open jars
maria: i don't need a man. i've got one of those rubber thingies.
My grandmother could open any jar. When no one else could get it to budge, we handed it to her.
We're also good at killing spiders.
ThatGuy | 06.16.08 - 10:50 am | #
i move them outside.
but i leave the wasps for mrs g to deal with. i'm a'scairt of them.
"The Ultimate Sacrifice, How I gave up golf for my country" GW Bush
A y chromosome is an imperfect x.
SCUM | 06.16.08 - 10:52 am | #
No, it's a y chromosome.
Hint: smack jar on bottom with heel of palm sharply, jar becomes much easier to open.
My grandmother could open any jar. When no one else could get it to budge, we handed it to her.
Rmj: Pasty White Theologist
we bought my mom a black-and-decker jar opener.
she's more into electric appliances than rubber thingies.
Kathleen Parker IS Auntie Ruckus (ht to The Boondocks).
"The Ultimate Sacrifice, How I gave up golf for my country" GW Bush
"Behind the 8 Ball."
Namely, freedom of speech is a necessary precondition for the debate about any other freedom. You have to ensure that you can even talk about the issues involved with other rights, before making decisions about those rights.
Nim
You couldn't embolden our enemies more if you had an electrified emboldening machine.
NTodd has an electrical appliance, too.
Struggling with dangling participles, my lunch grows cold.
"The Ultimate Sacrifice, How I gave up golf for my country" GW Bush
"No One Suffers More Than I, Now Watch This Drive"
But his hair was perfect!
Actually, I think I was wrong about J. Danforth... he was inspirational.
He inspired fear that GHWB might die unexpectedly.
From Dave Barry, the difference between men and women.
"No One Suffers More Than I, Now Watch This Drive"
geor3ge | 06.16.08 - 10:57 am | #
[hits mccain's ball]
The right of free speech (as well as other rights) is normally abridged in time of war or perceived national peril. During the cold war even moderate leftist (socialistic) views were proscribed. That had important lasting effects in that true leftist organizations were largely purged from U.S. society. This in turn allowed the Right to characterize centrists (e.g. Bill Clinton) as extremists.
The right-wing attack on U.S. democracy involves a lot more than restrictions on free speech, and it largely relies on the idea that we are at war with "terrorism", or with selected middle eastern countries which actually present no threat. It will be difficult to defend constitutional rights as long as the Orwellian notion of perpetual war is prevalent.
Are there "Worst Sellers" lists?
Are there "Worst Sellers" lists?
plantsman
Ironically, the remainders are recycled to print the list.
Don't Blame Me, Blame Cheney
by George W. Bush
It will be difficult to defend constitutional rights as long as the Orwellian notion of perpetual war is prevalent.
skeptonomist | 06.16.08 - 10:58 am | #
For how many years since the end of WWII has the U.S. been at peace?
plantsman : Hint: smack jar on bottom with heel of palm sharply, jar becomes much easier to open.
One good tap on the lid with the back edge of a butter knife - it pops right open. Looks like magic.
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My Dick IS Bigger Than Daddy's
by George W. Bush.
There are probably as many definitions of "peace" as there are of "victory".
my pet goat - the story of john mccain
by g.w. bush
My Dick IS Bigger Than Daddy's
by George W. Bush.
However, my cock is much bigger than yours.
"Mah Years of Presidentin': In Other Words, Mah Presnitcy."
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Jeez, just saw Michael Reagan on the news. Father Time has not been kind to that fine fellah.
'The future will judge me' GW Bush
George you were the worst president of the US. You almost destroyed this country and you made this nation a tragic laughing stock to the world. We now stand for what can go wrong with 'free' society with the wrong people at the helm who are bent at consolidating power rather than governing. And I tell you what George, I ain't near through judging you. When I am you'll know it. You will be in shackles when I am through.
Women have demonstrated their gratitude by reaching the summit and basically pulling the ladder up behind them. “See ya, guys. You’re on your own now. Oh, and we’re taking the kids.”
For whom is this written? In what world do we see a super-class of women refusing admittance to men?
I think this is only written for white men, far from any summit. "See," they say, "you wouldn't be working two jobs if it wasn't for these women. They are keeping you at the bottom of the ladder."
Hard to imagine anyone believes it, but I can't think what other purpose such a statement could serve.
In his New Oxford Review piece on encountering the demonic in college, Jindal concluded, “I learned a lasting lesson in humility and the limits of human understanding. Was the purpose of that night served when so many individuals were inducted into the Church? Did I witness spiritual warfare? I do not have the answers, but I do believe in the reality of spirits, angels, and other related phenomena that I can neither touch nor see.”
Why don't you move to Ireland and look for the "little people"?
"We Have Got Some Prosperity: A Memoir"
Buy This Book or The Terraist Win
by George W. Bush.
Russert was just a piece of the big DC echo chamber. Most people don't know or care who or what he was.
All those political talk shows and shouting matches are just another part of the entertainment industry. No real value.
Teevee and newspapers are just not reliable sources of information.
My Dick IS Bigger Than Daddy's
by George W. Bush.
Jeff Goldstein :However, my cock is much bigger than yours.
The answer to the question that I am least likely to ask Geena Davis should she and I ever meet.
~
Olbermann himself suggests being careful what you say.
http://
www.democraticunderground...mesg_id=6368135
-
'I was just the President. It's not my fault' GW Bush
"We Have Got Some Prosperity: A Memoir"
Jay C. | 06.16.08 - 11:04 am | #
Make the Pie Higher: the Musical
And by way of exercising my First Ammendment rights --
Latest FaBlog: Generalissimo Tim Russert is STILL DEAD!
"For whom is this written? In what world do we see a super-class of women refusing admittance to men?"
A sane one?
"Food On Yer Family": The George W. Bush Cookbook.
"For whom is this written? In what world do we see a super-class of women refusing admittance to men?"
I think this was in one of the Earth II series
Is Our Books Writin'?
by George W. Bush.
In what world do we see a super-class of women refusing admittance to men?
Ghosts of Mars--Bitches!
I think this is only written for white men, far from any summit. "See," they say, "you wouldn't be working two jobs if it wasn't for these women. They are keeping you at the bottom of the ladder."
gay marriage is their only way out.
From Dave Barry, the difference between men and women.
Brooklyn Girl
that is perfect. speaking from my own personal experience...is that soccer match at 11:50 or 12:50?
I don't think freedom of speech is so important anymore. Meaning, that it's much easier to render speech politically irrelevant than it is to ban it outright. (As in the growing movement to encourage people to say whatever they want just as long as no one can hear it).
boosh has destroyed this country and quite possibly the world with it. get used to it. it will take decades to get over his administration, by which time climate change will have killed off much of the human race anyway.
"What We Got"
by George Bush
Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead as well.
For how many years since the end of WWII has the U.S. been at peace?
Actually, none, although we can mark the beginning of the cold war in earnest with Truman's decision, close to the start of the Korean War, to commit to a long-term four-fold increase in defense spending from peacetime levels. That level of spending has never come back down to peacetime levels, finally dropping to roughly three times peacetime levels in the late 1990s.
If we add in money hidden in other agency budgets and the intelligence services and debt service for defense spending, the level has never dropped down below four times peacetime rates of spending.
We've been at war for fifty-nine years.
Olbermann himself suggests being careful what you say.
http:// www.democraticunderground...mesg_id=6368135
I read that. There's also a great diary over at kos on the red'd list, entitled "Grow the F*** Up," wherein the diarist admonishes kossacks for the hate-filled comments she found on the blogs about Russert.
I gotta say I agree ENTIRELY. I popped in here a few times over the weekend and saw some really unwarranted, mean and heartless comments about Russert's death. It was embarrassing and heartbreaking to me, in that I didn't expect it from some of the people - and from some whom I know quite well. Now, I know, there are a few folks here who have been real jerks lately, but I guess I expected that people would at least be a little bit classy wrt the unexpected death of Russert. Once again, I was wrong.
I know I've been harping about mean-spiritedness lately, but I stand by every word I've said. I'm sick to death of it, and reading it here and seeing an uptick in nasty saddens me. We're better people than that. At least I thought so.
Well, I think MSNBC should just rename itself the "All Tim All the Time Channel" ...
You'd think that God died.
George W. Bush - The Iraq Trilogy
Vol 1 - "He Tried to Cil Mah Daddie"
Vol 2 - "Fuck Saddam. We're Takin' Him Out"
Vol 3 - "Mission Accomplished - Major Combat Operations in Iraq are Over - The Prequel"
"Major Combat Operations in Iraq are Over"
I think the 'Major' part was added post-speech
"My Pet Country"
George W. Bush - The Iraq Trilogy
Being a Bush Trilogy you forgot the forth book:
Vol 4 - Can Iz Haz Some Bad Intelgince?
I had no strong feelings about Russert; now the endless Death Orgy since his passing is another thing entirely.
Being a Bush Trilogy you forgot the forth book:
"The Restaurant at the End of Democracy"
"My Pet Country"
Dexter Methorphan
I'll wait for the Goat's autobiography: "My Stoopit Human."
Being a Bush Trilogy you forgot the forth book:
Well, I think MSNBC should just rename itself the "All Tim All the Time Channel" ...
You'd think that God died.
One thing that struck me about MSNBC's weekend eulogy to Tim was how highly his co-workers thought of him. My God, I had no idea he commanded that much respect. They genuinely loved the guy.
I know there are people who didn't like him, but when I was out and about over the weekend, everyone I spoke with was really upset about his death. A lot of people loved the guy, especially people who aren't necessarily political junkies.
As I read, the voice in my head sounds like George Bush; nothing makes any sense. I need more coffee.
I'm sorry but Tim Russert was a person and people died every second in every corner of the world. He was not any more or any less important to me than anybody else. I feel for his family but I do not feel for anything else. He was just a man.
Vicki, it's always been that way here.
Two gigantoid billboards on I-40 in downtown Nashville advertising Beck's crappy show that no one watches. CNN I'm sure regrets that loser decision. He's done nothing but cost them money.
You're assuming they hired him to make money.
The available evidence (his continued employment despite persistent, catastrophically bad ratings) suggests that he must be doing precisely the job they hired him for: spreading government propaganda.
Obama Calls On Black Men To Be Better Fathers
U.S. News & World Report - 1 hour ago
ABC World News opened its Sunday evening newscast with a long report on Sen. Barack Obama's Father's Day speech before a "largely black church in Chicago," where he delivered "a rather blunt message to African-American men.
i can see the FUXNews headline: "Obama: is he losing the black male vote?"
As far as pundits and dead pundits, I think one of the characters on the anime 'Death Note' said it best: "delete. delete. delete. delete. delete. delete. delete. delete. delete. delete. delete..."
Bobby Jindal was on pushing Intelligent Design and repeating George Will's mantra that this is a center right country.
None of these asshole interviewers ever disputes that, or even bothers to ask "What is your evidence for that"?
It's not true.
Of the ten most important issues, Americans trust Democrats more on 8 of them. Repubs hold a 1 point lead on national security and are tied on abortion.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/
...tance_on_issues
sam nunn - the lieberman 200
of the 2008 campaign
Obama Calls On Black Men To Be Better Fathers
Bill Cosby II: Electric Boogaloo
i can see the FUXNews headline: "Obama: is he losing the black male vote?"
mogwai
Nah - "Obama disses Babydaddys."
Two gigantoid billboards on I-40 in downtown Nashville advertising Beck's crappy show that no one watches.
I saw those when I was passing through last month, the ones that say, "Cut the Crap!"
Classy. How about Cut His Fucking Mic?
Bobby Jindal was on pushing Intelligent Design
did someone post he is a rhodes scholar? there are a lot of dumb smart people out there (as in smart by reference and dumb by example)
Lead reporter and editor of the McClatchy Guantanamo story are on Diane Rehm, for those who get that on their NPR station (or WAMU.org later on, I imagine).
Vicki, it's always been that way here.
Halfdan
Yeah, I guess. Don't understand what it accomplishes, though. Nothing. And it's really less than funny.
Dana D. Kelley:
When’s the last time you heard a thug called mean-spirited ? A lazy, cowardly criminal can steal a child’s bike and pistol-whip his mother to the street and he’s never called names. Instead, if we refer to him pejoratively, we’re the mean ones. And forget outright condemnation or criticism. Simply fail to embrace the formerly offensive deviant behavior of a minority and you risk being stigmatized as a racist; of a woman, you’re sexist; of a homosexual, you’re homophobic.
I think you could call that bike-stealer "you big meanie," and get away with it.
I saw those when I was passing through last month, the ones that say, "Cut the Crap!"
And Joe Strummer spins in his grave.
Bobby Jindal was on pushing Intelligent Design
did someone post he is a rhodes scholar? there are a lot of dumb smart people out there (as in smart by reference and dumb by example)
Jindal's having his 15 minutes, which will end precisely when McCain announces Lieberman as VP.
Don't underestimate my man Piyush!
Answering my own question, this is what Bush offered the victims of the Iowa floods:
"I know there's a lot of people hurting right now and I hope they're able to find some strength in knowing that there is love from a higher being," the president said with first lady Laura Bush at his side.
http://ap.google.com/article/
ALe...rKzZsAD91AH0VO0
When it's appropriate. When I am not in mourning for a friend.
May whoever or whatever you believe in, forgive you your incredible bad taste.
"If you're going through hell - keep going!" -- Winston Churchill
by Keith Olbermann on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:50:46 PM PDT
A comment from Keith Olbermann over at Kos after Russert's death was announced.
As i just said, MSNBC acting as if Russert was the second coming is really getting annoying. They have no sense of proportion, apparently.
However, we had almost 600 visitors within the hour after Russert died. That's twice as many as we had after any of the primaries. My guess is that the press were out there, gauging our reaction. I can't think of any other reason why so many people would show up so rapidly.
While I think that the fawning still going on over at MSNBC is idiotically excessive, our vitriol on Friday was a little over the top, too, imho. If we have 600 visitors, that seems to me to be a golden opportunity to show the left to be smart and discerning. I don't think we took advantage of that opportunity.
Being descended from slaves is "deviant, offensive behavior"?
there are a lot of dumb smart people out there (as in smart by reference and dumb by example)
mogwai
This is where we cross into "willfully stupid" country.
While I agree that NBC/MSNBC have gone a little overboard with the coverage of Tim Russert's death. I remember being shocked and saddened when I heard the news. I thought that Keith did a very good job of the initial coverage and the interviews and commentary was honest and heartfelt.
Whether or not I always agreed with Russert on how he covered the news, especially the run up to the war. He was not offensive like so many others.
The man was only 58. I guess as I get a little older in this life, things like this do shock me a little more.
I do think this is a loss to News Media and I don't see any reason to vilify the man.
"I know there's a lot of people hurting right now and I hope they're able to find some strength in knowing that there is love from a higher being," the president said with first lady Laura Bush at his side.
http://ap.google.com/article/ ALe...rKzZsAD91AH0VO0
Newton Minnow
Higher beings are no substitute for higher ground (or lower rivers).
If we have 600 visitors, that seems to me to be a golden opportunity to show the left to be smart and discerning. I don't think we took advantage of that opportunity.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | 06.16.08 - 11:19 am | #
Missing opportunities is the hallmark of the american left
i can see the FUXNews headline: "Obama: is he losing the black male vote?"
mogwai
It's already been called his "Sistah Souljah" moment.
Which it ain't. Gimme a break, here.
Morning, all.
Wazzup?
burkas in aisle 3:
The pharmacies are emerging at a time when a variety of health-care workers are refusing to perform medical procedures they find objectionable. Fertility doctors have refused to inseminate gay women. Ambulance drivers have refused to transport patients for abortions. Anesthesiologists have refused to assist in sterilizations.
The most common, widely publicized conflicts have involved pharmacists who refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control pills, morning-after pills and other forms of contraception. They say they believe that such methods can cause what amounts to an abortion and that the contraceptives promote promiscuity, divorce, the spread of sexually transmitted diseases and other societal woes. The result has been confrontations that have left women traumatized and resulted in pharmacists being fired, fined or reprimanded.
In response, some pharmacists have stopped carrying the products or have opened pharmacies that do not stock any.
"This allows a pharmacist who does not wish to be involved in stopping a human life in any way to practice in a way that feels comfortable," said Karen Brauer, president of Pharmacists for Life International, which promotes a pharmacist's right to refuse to fill such prescriptions. The group's Web site lists seven pharmacies around the country that have signed a pledge to follow "pro-life" guidelines, but Brauer said there are many others.
....."We try to practice pharmacy in a way that we feel is best to help our community and promote healthy lifestyles," said Lloyd Duplantis, who owns Lloyd's Remedies in Gray, La., and is a deacon in his Catholic church. "After researching the science behind steroidal contraceptives, I decided they could hurt the woman and possibly hurt her unborn child. I decided to opt out."
Some critics question how such pharmacies justify carrying drugs, such as Viagra, for male reproductive issues, but not those for women.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...8061502180.html
As if the Clintons4McCain thing weren't any more bizarre, I just found this item outing Paula Abeles as a bigot.
Abso-fucking-hilarious!!!
However, we had almost 600 visitors within the hour after Russert died.
Hi BG!
I wonder how many of those 600 were wingers trolling for nasty comments?
A new pharmacist can make 90K a year. Career opportunities, folks.
While I think that the fawning still going on over at MSNBC is idiotically excessive, our vitriol on Friday was a little over the top, too, imho. If we have 600 visitors, that seems to me to be a golden opportunity to show the left to be smart and discerning. I don't think we took advantage of that opportunity.
BG, I could not agree more. And well said. That's the point that I've been trying to make for a while, but a few people dismiss it as insignificant.
I'm not trying to be a Pollyanna or a bitch, just trying to say that when they look in on us, I'd rather scare them with brilliance than be embarrassed by the petty bullshit. Friday was not a shining star for the commenters on Eschaton, in my mind.
It's already been called his "Sistah Souljah" moment.
'Cause, like, a black person saying something asisnine 16 years ago is totally the same thing.
asisnine? Oh crap I need more coffee.
My problem is with how MSNBC has been holding this endless wake over Tim Russert's death, presuming the whole nation feels it as significantly as his colleagues do. If I were a journalist I'd think the best tribute would be to carry on with the work of serving the public's need to know about current events that do impact us personally.
.
Friday was not a shining star for the commenters on Eschaton, in my mind.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 06.16.08 - 11:23 am | #
Which days are?
I wonder how many of those 600 were wingers trolling for nasty comments?
Harry Doghiney (D-TX) |
595.
While I think that the fawning still going on over at MSNBC is idiotically excessive, our vitriol on Friday was a little over the top, too, imho. If we have 600 visitors, that seems to me to be a golden opportunity to show the left to be smart and discerning. I don't think we took advantage of that opportunity.
It's been a long (nearly) eight years. A great many people have been unnecessarily killed and maimed because of what this administration has done, and Russert was one of their media enablers. That's not speculation--it's even part of the court record.
That's why the vitriol. And, that's why the media have kept up the hagiography for as long as they have.
CVS...."For all the ways you care."℠
We're better people than that. At least I thought so.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 06.16.08 - 11:11 am | #
Well, I know for a fact that you are.
KO can be upset that people didn't like his friend but what about the fact that my friend, an incredible artist, died and no one on NBC, ABC or CBS said a thing?
Tim was a person, nothing more, nothing less.
Didn't The Clash say, 'You have the right to free speech, as long as you're not dumb enough to use it' ???
Mike
"..As long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it."
Utah Phillips died recently. Didn't hear anything about that.
Well, KO's friend was the DC chief of MSNBC. So that's one reason it would be MSNBC newsworthy.
My problem is with how MSNBC has been holding this endless wake over Tim Russert's death, presuming the whole nation feels it as significantly as his colleagues do. If I were a journalist I'd think the best tribute would be to carry on with the work of serving the public's need to know about current events that do impact us personally.
.
Sparkle Plenty
But, but, inflating Russert's importance inflates the importance of all blow-dried TV talking heads!
At this rate, by Friday he will be I.F. Stone, Ed Murrow, Walter Cronkite and Gandhi in one avuncular package.
You are allowed to say anything you want about Iran during the two minute hate.
Utah Phillips died recently. Didn't hear anything about that.
Mike
Neither did I.
Will people come up with nice things to say about me when I die?
Bobby Jindal was on pushing Intelligent Design
did someone post he is a rhodes scholar? there are a lot of dumb smart people out there (as in smart by reference and dumb by example)
--------------------------------
And a biology major. thank God he didn't go to med school.
He was not even convincing that he believed it. Just shilling for votes, claiming his kids have the right to hear "all the science".
Schieffer's fill in didn't even bother to ask what "science" supports intelligent design?
If I were a journalist I'd think the best tribute would be to carry on with the work of serving the public's need to know about current events that do impact us personally.
.
Sparkle Plenty
NPR is carrying that torch, helpfully advising me today at the bottom of the hour that George Bush is in London to stir up a conflict with Iran, and that Joe Lieberman opposes Congressional oversight of agreements regarding an ongoing military presence in Iraq. Thanks NPR!
Utah Phillips died recently. Didn't hear anything about that.
Mike
Well, it didn't exactly "stop the presses" but I thought it was pretty generally noted.
four soldiers died in afghanistan on saturday. brian williams is in the region. how much airtime did msnbc devote to their deaths.
Neither did I.
bajsa, dfh | Homepage | 06.16.08 - 11:26 am | #
http://www.utahphillips.org/
Regarding the bright, but willfully ignorant:
I referred the other day to Scalia as having a 427 under the hood and no steering wheel. What I don't understand is why people refuse to hook up the linkage. I have heard people express the fear that going to school will weaken their faith. So they must, at some level recognize how weak their faith is...
FWIW, I completely agree with Vicki and BG.
Yes, we all felt vitriol towards any number of Russert acts. And the coverage - at least to us in fly-over land - seemed self-serving hyperbole.
But when a healthy colleague to all and mentor to many suddenly drops dead - before his 60th birthday - it's both a wake-up call about the fragility of life and the need to live lives worthy of a "legacy" that will survive our earthly existance.
Anna Eshoo has authored bill requiring that TV ads be no louder than the shows they accompany.
Danged San Francisco Democrats!
Will people come up with nice things to say about me when I die?
No.
This has been another edition of....
keith is full shit in exactly the same way as he was when waxing indignant about poor David Shuster. Nobody forced Russert to be a public figure - that's a choice he made on his own and he was richly rewarded for it. His death is a personal tragedy for his friends and family, but MSNBC chose to make it a public spectacle. And the public life of Russert was shameful and harmful to the commonwealth. So take your self-righteous bullshit and shove it, Keith.
Anna Eshoo has authored bill requiring that TV ads be no louder than the shows they accompany.
Danged San Francisco Democrats!
plantsman,
Seems like that rule is enacted every few years, enforced for a few months, and then forgotten.
Well, I know for a fact that you are.
krsaz
krsaz, if I had my way in life....
it's both a wake-up call about the fragility of life and the need to live lives worthy of a "legacy" that will survive our earthly existance.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office | 06.16.08 - 11:27 am | #
Damn right. Unfortunately, we're gonna need a whole lot more wake up calls before we finally WAKE UP
Brian Williams left Afghanistan Shortly after he heard about Timmeh.
Anna Eshoo has authored bill requiring that TV ads be no louder than the shows they accompany.
Danged San Francisco Democrats!
Worse: a Palo Alto Democrat!
Hi BG!
I wonder how many of those 600 were wingers trolling for nasty comments?
Harry Doghiney (D-TX) | 06.16.08 - 11:23 am | #
Hey, Harry!!!
No more than usual, I think. Keith Olbermann is a regular commenter over at Kos, and I am sure that either he or a surrogate was checking out what we were saying, as were plenty other members of the media. I really can't think of any other explanation for such a huge jump in the number of visitors. Even if we don't like them or respect them, we need to sway them, and I don't think mercilessly insulting one of their colleagues while they are in shock is the best way to do it.
And if what you say is true, why should we give the wingers cannon fodder to use against us?
Not wanking: Frank Rich: Angry Clinton Women ♥ McCain?
four soldiers died in afghanistan on saturday. brian williams is in the region. how much airtime did msnbc devote to their deaths.
nona
On ABC it was the second lead, after the Iowa floods, on Saturday night.
The story there is, they had a correspondent in a vehicle a couple of cars behind in the convoy. To their credit, they did actually highlight that more coalition forces died in Afghanistan during May than did in Iraq.
A new pharmacist can make 90K a year. Career opportunities, folks.
Mike | 06.16.08 - 11:23 am
Well, yes. But like nursing or engineering, it helps if you get into it because you're good at it, not just because it's a money making profession.
I don't know. I think about my mortality everyday. That's why I exercise constantly. When I die, I'm going to be one fit mofo...And, if it is tomorrow, so be it. That's life.
Well at least now I won't have to see Lanny Davis on my TV anymore: he's going to work for Fox "News".
I agree that there's no need for crudeness of cruelty in response to Russert's death, though I don't think opinions about his role in creating our current journalistic standards should be censored, either.
And those standards include crap like MSNBC turning Russert's son's gesture touching his dad's empty chair on the MTP set -- a perfectly natural impulse for an child who has lost a beloved parent -- into a photo op.
It was a private moment; the kid should have been given the picture privately, and that's the way he should cherish it.
.
A great many people have been unnecessarily killed and maimed because of what this administration has done, and Russert was one of their media enablers. That's not speculation--it's even part of the court record.
Chris Dodd (for instance) is more personally responsible for the war than Russert was. Change Russert for a guy who challenges the administration, that guy gets fired and replaced with another Russert. Change Dodd with a real liberal (and I love Dodd), and there's one less vote for the war.
My beef with Russert was his involvement in the Plame affair and his conflict of interest in reporting on it without disclosing his involvement to his viewers.
I found that completely unethical.
As far as Im concerned, it's you fucking americans who are responsible for this war
Mike | 06.16.08 - 11:32 am |
Go away, mimi.
The unacceptable part of KO's complaint is that the media did not present Russert as "our friend, the nice guy, has died". Instead they poured out a load of crap about what olympian journalistic standards Russert embodied. I won't salute that.
And if what you say is true, why should we give the wingers cannon fodder to use against us?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | 06.16.08 - 11:29 am | #
There are plenty of good reasons one should not speak ill of the recently deceased.
Luke Russert was paraded on The TODAY Show this morning for a 15 minute segment. So shortly after the death of a loved one, I could not have hacked it.
People differ.
A new pharmacist can make 90K a year. Career opportunities, folks.
Mike | 06.16.08 - 11:23 am
if i was an enterprising pharmacist, i would open a new store right next door to mr semler's.
Any TV marathons about my death?
Not wanking: Frank Rich: Angry Clinton Women ♥ McCain?
John Gillnitz
By Jove, I think Frank Rich has got it!
Fred Hobbs, a state Democratic Party Executive Committee member representing part of Davis’ district, said he understands why [Tennessee Congressman Lincoln] Davis is not endorsing Obama and is "skeptical" of the Illinois senator himself.
"Maybe [it’s] the same reason I don’t want to — I don’t exactly approve of a lot of the things he stands for and I’m not sure we know enough about him," Hobbs said when asked why he thought Davis wasn’t endorsing Obama. "He’s got some bad connections, and he may be terrorist connected for all I can tell. It sounds kind of like he may be."
(Only in America can malicious ignorance succeed in seeking supporters.)
The Rich piece was great.
oh now i see...
From Jeffersons vs. Hemingses to McCain vs. Obama
A key organizer of John McCain's meeting Saturday with former supporters of Hillary Clinton is best known for her role in another bitter American fight: The effort by some white descendants of Thomas Jefferson to keep his possible African-American descendants out of family gatherings.
Paula Abeles.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/
be...n_vs_Obama.html
link it, link it good...
TN "Democrats" mouthing Limbaugh talking points.
Nice.
I'm a fucking idiot. Could you tell?
Wingnut mother advises that there is an email circulating among wingnuts stating that Obama's secret first name is "Mohammed."
On c-span2 now:
International Health Systems
Senate Finance Committee
Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
ID: 205983 - 2 - 06/16/2008 - 1:00 - NS
Baucus, Max U.S. Senator, D-MT
Reid, T. R. Correspondent, PBS, Frontline
T.R. Reid talked about health care systems around the world. He showed clips from his "Frontline" documentary "Sick Around the World."
This was a session of the bipartisan "Prepare for Launch: Health Reform Summit 2008," held at the Library of Congress in the Mumford Room.
-
Lincoln Davis needs to lose in November. Not going to happen, but would be nice.
Wingnut mother advises that there is an email circulating among wingnuts stating that Obama's secret first name is "Mohammed."
Harry Doghiney (D-TX)
Obama's got a secret first name?? That is so cool! I want one!
From now on, my secret first name is "Topsy."
Will people come up with nice things to say about me when I die?
George W Bush
He was the Dan Quayle of Presidents...
From now on, my secret first name is "Topsy."
Gummo | 06.16.08 - 11:37 am | #
Mine is "Roxanne".
A tidal wave of stupid swept across this country after 9-11. There are plenty of deep puddles left, but people are beginning to recover from the flood. A neutered media and a cowering legislative branch made it possible for a group of tyrannical boobs to impose their selfish agenda. There is plenty of blame to go around for allowing it to happen. Like Hecate, I regret that I didn't make a more visible stand against them.
From now on, my secret first name is "Topsy."
Gummo | 06.16.08 - 11:37 am | #
Mine is "Roxanne".
abyssgazer, Kang4ever
So I guess now we can wink & giggle when we pass on the street.
After Russert's sudden death, there were people here that I've never seen before, attacking him in a pretty violent way. Agents provocateurs, I suppose.
Will people come up with nice things to say about me when I die?
George W Bush
he's the reason i got off drugs'-
wavy gravy
My secret first name is Tikki-Tikki-Tembo-No-Sa-Rembo-Chari-Bari-Ruchi-
Pip-Peri-Pembo
John McCain does not support subsidized breast cancer screening.
My secret first name is Tikki-Tikki-Tembo-No-Sa-Rembo-Chari-Bari-Ruchi- Pip-Peri-Pembo
ThatGuy
Can we just call you "Butch" for short?
There is absolutely no truth to the rumor that I could be seen last Friday holding a sword and shouting, "There can be only one!"
After Russert's sudden death, there were people here that I've never seen before, attacking him in a pretty violent way. Agents provocateurs, I suppose
And several regulars, too.
The unacceptable part of KO's complaint is that the media did not present Russert as "our friend, the nice guy, has died". Instead they poured out a load of crap about what olympian journalistic standards Russert embodied. I won't salute that.
rootless-e, reweird
I totally agree.
My secret first name is Tarquin Ole Biscuitbarrel.
Can we just call you "Butch" for short?
Gummo
You know, Obama going to Iowa to fill sand bags is a really unfair way of pointing out how old McCain is.
I mean, politics is so cruel....
You know, Obama going to Iowa to fill sand bags is a really unfair way of pointing out how old McCain is.
I mean, politics is so cruel....
Rmj: Pasty White Theologist
And how useless Bush is.
And how selfishly evil Cheney is.
And how....
When people started chastising Russert for putting his father in a home rather than taking him into his own home, I lost it.
You know, Obama going to Iowa to fill sand bags is a really unfair way of pointing out how old McCain is.
I mean, politics is so cruel....
Rmj: Pasty White Theologist
OUCH!
Instead they poured out a load of crap about what olympian journalistic standards Russert embodied.
I call for a blogger ethics panel.
My secret first name is so secret, even I don't know what it is...
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Great talk on Universal Healthcare on CSPAN
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_c...Cat=TV&
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I totally agree.
bajsa, dfh
yep. russett just od'd on power.
next.
Actually, Obama filled sand bags in Illinois, across the river from Iowa.
Great talk on Universal Healthcare on CSPAN
pigboy
I have universal healthcare in the country I live...
Hey, there's a million dead Iraqis. What are their names?
Why does Obama hate Iowans?
Actually, Obama filled sand bags in Illinois, across the river from Iowa.
plantsman,
Okay, that's it, I'm voting for McCain.
Wingnut mother advises that there is an email circulating among wingnuts stating that Obama's secret first name is "Mohammed."
Harry Doghiney (D-TX)
Everybody knows that secret names are more real than public names. And they determine who you are.
You know, Obama going to Iowa to fill sand bags is a really unfair way of pointing out how old McCain is.
Meanwhile Bush is having tea and crumpets with the Queen of England (who, no doubt, is suppressing the urge to yell "off with his head!")
Actually, Obama filled sand bags in Illinois, across the river from Iowa.
plantsman
Cue wingnuts saying Obama was trying to divert floodwaters into Iowa.
I have universal healthcare in the country I live...
bajsa, dfh | Homepage | 06.16.08 - 11:44 am | #
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America Hater........
Obama going to Iowa to fill sand bags
IIRC he was filling sandbags in Illinois. They're flooding, too -- just not as bad as Iowa.
Gary in FL in the house.
Chris Dodd (for instance) is more personally responsible for the war than Russert was. Change Russert for a guy who challenges the administration, that guy gets fired and replaced with another Russert. Change Dodd with a real liberal (and I love Dodd), and there's one less vote for the war.
Well, that's odd logic, given that the media have quite a bit of power over public opinion these days, maybe more than the individual reps in Congress. Would Dodd have been so quick to vote "yes" if the media--including Russert--had been properly skeptical, invited knowledgeable people on to challenge the administration's falsehoods, to bring a little reality to the issue?
Do I think all the Dems who folded on this because an election was coming up deserve considerable criticism? Indeed, I do. But, I hold the people in the press in great contempt, because they aided and abetted this war and they went a long way in generating the public opinion necessary to justify the vote in Congress. They did the same thing in 1964.
Russert's methods were those of a privileged insider and he used them to further the aims of, frankly, war criminals. He wasn't the only one, lord knows, but he was highly visible, and his behind-the-scenes direction as the chief of the NBC Washington bureau shaped much of the news on that network leading up to the war.
Why respect a man, given the Constitutional guarantee to a free press, who would willingly become a conduit for administration sources with a war agenda?
Hey, there's a million dead Iraqis. What are their names?
Mike | 06.16.08 - 11:44 am | #
Mohommed.
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Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore : And several regulars, too.
I'm sure there was a lot of strong feelings on the thread - got up to 783 commenters at one point. And more than a few of those were trolls we'd never seen before (eg, "The Fool")
But Russert wasn't our friend and we aren't admirirers.
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Everybody knows that secret names are more real than public names. And they determine who you are.
Rmj: Pasty White Theologist
Johm McCaim's secret first name is Pouches.
America Hater........
pigboy
Now, now... "America Hater" is a title we save for Bush, Cheney, and their right-wing media enablers.
America Hater........
pigboy
Maybe...
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The Mississippi River, into which all Iowa's rivers eventually drain, is headed for floods on both sides in Missouri and Illinois. At least Obama showed up.
America Hater........
pigboy
Now, now... "America Hater" is a title we save for Bush, Cheney, and their right-wing media enablers.
Gummo | 06.16.08 - 11:45 am | #
but they have universal healthcare too.....
And more than a few of those were trolls we'd never seen before (eg, "The Fool")
most of them were the sock puppet trool, which was laughing at its own "jokes".
Wingnut mother advises that there is an email circulating among wingnuts stating that Obama's secret first name is "Mohammed."
What are his secret middle and last names, or did he just forget to change those?
Maybe...
bajsa, dfh | Homepage | 06.16.08 - 11:46 am | #
At least you are healthy
At least you are healthy
pigboy
and very happy!
Wingnut mother advises that there is an email circulating among wingnuts stating that Obama's secret first name is "Mohammed."
Harry Doghiney (D-TX)
Hence, dKos posting Obama's birth record from Hawaii last week.
Although some wingnuts with a vestige of sanity decided the matter was put to rest, there were plenty that reflexively hit the "this just raises more questions than it answers!!!!!" key (they've macroed it)
And yes, some of them were taking a very close look at the kerning.
What are his secret middle and last names, or did he just forget to change those?
Penguin
"Adolph" and "Dahmer," respectively.
A new pharmacist can make 90K a year. Career opportunities, folks.
Mike | 06.16.08 - 11:23 am
if i was an enterprising pharmacist, i would open a new store right next door to mr semler's.
pharmacies are springing up all over; it's like walgreens and cvs are the new starbucks and walmarts...i think they are teh suck, if i need a prescription i go to my stupormarket
Wingnut mother advises that there is an email circulating among wingnuts stating that Obama's secret first name is "Mohammed."
That was part of the hue and cry for the release of his birth certificate.
The unacceptable part of KO's complaint is that the media did not present Russert as "our friend, the nice guy, has died". Instead they poured out a load of crap about what olympian journalistic standards Russert embodied. I won't salute that.
rootless-e, reweird
That's not the point. Russert is dead. I don't care about him. Our job is to influence the living.
When people started chastising Russert for putting his father in a home rather than taking him into his own home, I lost it.
plantsman, |
Unfortunately, that was me. I had just spoken to my father who had told me that. I brought it up here because I thought it spoke to the hypocrisy that everyone else had been pointing out regarding the man and the myth. I apologized for overstepping a line I did not see.
That said, I also got in trouble the other night for backing up trademark dave when he told charly don't surf to fuck off when he came onto our silly thread and yelled at us for being silly while iowa was flooding.
I realized then that I have been coming here almost daily for two and a half years and I don't really fit in. I am offended everytime someone unleashes brutally on stupid trolls, even when NTodd does it (who I love and who I find to be so articulate about so much).
People forgave charly for blowing off steam. My guess is that's what others are doing when they overstep the bounds of good taste.
I want to quote Thers, but I can only paraphrase: it's a comments thread on a blog.
Gee, what a surprise:
http://finance.comcast.net/www/n...6/15/
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Wingnut mother advises that there is an email circulating among wingnuts stating that Obama's secret first name is "Mohammed."
That was part of the hue and cry for the release of his birth certificate.
Finny | 06.16.08 - 11:49 am | #
It never ceases to amaze me how stupid people are.
Maybe he should change his name to Cassius Clay. Will that shut these idiots up?
That's not the point. Russert is dead. I don't care about him. Our job is to influence the living.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | 06.16.08 - 11:49 am | #
Well, the living should know that a lifetime of servility to power doesn't win you the admiration of all your audience.
My secret first name is Seabiscuit.
wasn't it said that an ignorant culture will demand authoritarian rule? and wasn't it also said that democracy required an educated electorate?
mogwai
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You have to ensure that you can even talk about the issues involved with other rights, before making decisions about those rights.
Nim, ham hock of liberty
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Loose lips sink ships.
Gromit
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agreed, all. imho, the issue boils down to informed consent. look at what it's done for the financial collapse. look at how it's been abused. it's a cornerstone of democracy, even if it's a lesser known, less recognized one.
free speech points to the parameters for discussion about what constitutes informed consent, i.e., fairness, equality and freedom of choice. imho, informed consent should be the rule, not the exception.
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