HULK SMASHED
I agree.
when people are too dumb to 'get' the 1st amendment; do you think it can continually be upheld?
and yes, this means i believe people are getting dumber
I disagree
So close.
The right of free speech is a quaint relic. And its not even really part of the Constitution!
/Scalia
I disagree
GuyInMilwaukee
You have offended my honor, sir.
I choose pistols at dawn!
I have no doubt that continuing to allow people to speak their minds without appropriate legal controls will cause the deaths of Americans.
/Scalia
Me too.
/Clarence
I disagree
GuyInMilwaukee
you aren't allowed to say that. unless you are standing in a "disagree speech zone."
it's about 3 miles that way.
Yes, it's important to note that our history is quite different that that of, say, Austria, considering the context of the David Irving case (couldn't happen to a nicer guy, of course).
But if we speak freely, the terraists will get us! We have to watch what we say!
when people are too dumb to 'get' the 1st amendment; do you think it can continually be upheld?
When high schoolers think unpopular opinions should be censored, I worry about when they grow up.
Yeah, I know we all believed stupid shit in high school, but some people never really graduate.
What Scalia said.
/Thomas
It is different in other countries. This is a fundamental American right.
Gee - you suppose that's why I've been calling these people UnAmerican all these years?
Senator Leahy reams Mr. Squeaky!
Coke to That Guy
/Thomas
Just Another Zero |
he ... he ... he SPOKE! it's a miracle!
Loose lips sink ships.
Senator Leahy reams Mr. Squeaky!
GWPDA
The squeaky voice of evil!
On Point is doing a show on Veeps for both Obama and McCain.
Howard Fineman thinks Obama should pick Sam Nunn, who has been out of office for 12 years.
These people are so inbred they think their cocktail party conversations are revealed wisdom and that when one of their club dies the flag should be lowered to half staff.
When high schoolers think unpopular opinions should be censored
i don't care if they think it, but they shouldn't be allowed to say it out loud.
It is different in other countries. This is a fundamental American right.
bajsa, dfh
Erm... that may be was already...
or crist, hoping he will be mistaken for a heterosexual
::matthew, Mc=W³ | 06.16.08 - 10:19 am | #
or thompson, hoping he will be mistaken for animate.
dirk gently, melancaholic | Homepage | 06.16.08 - 10:20 am | #
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
Are the repubs that desperate? Or so lacking in imagination?
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
and yet he felt the need to decline the position.
Officer kills man who beat toddler to death near Modesto
Robinson jumped from his vehicle and confronted the man, who lunged at him. Robinson said the man wasn't screaming and wasn't loud, but was forceful, saying "demons" were in the boy.
"Give me the knife. Give me the knife," the man said as he grabbed for a pen in the fireman's front pocket.
"There was a total hollowness in his eyes," Robinson said, "like I could see right through to the back of his head."
sick, evil fundemented cultists...i will bet this man was a god-fearing church-going person
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
That would be the ticket to end all tickets.
That's Grumpy and Sleepy, who's next?
Are the repubs that desperate? Or so lacking in imagination?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Well, they did think he was the Second Coming of Reagan for a bit.
Free Speech will be a lot safer on 1/20/2009.
That's Grumpy and Sleepy, who's next?
Jay C. | 06.16.08 - 10:29 am | #
we already had dopey.
I had a lovely convo with an off-duty Milwaukee cop at the pub last night and he explained to me how rights like habeas corpus and freedom of speech need to be curtailed because we are at war. He agreed that the Bush team was a complete mess but the courts still should not take away power from the executive.
I just don't understand these people.
I don't think he liked it when I said I thought he did not understand the basics of what America was founded on and that he should read the constitution. I saw several people back away from the bar when that crossed my beer-addled gob. It sure felt good though.
Pantload:
All of that said, I think the show [MTP] should return to a panel, at least for the time being. What's wrong with bringing three or four hard-hitting journalists to ask questions the way they used to? This is not only the best way to get a more diverse line of questioning (I would love to see Byron York or Steve Hayes on there asking questions no one else would ask), but it would help forestall some truly awful choices that seem to be in the hopper.
Are you bucking for a job, Pantload? Don't you remember how you were booted off one TV panel show because the other panelists couldn't stand your stench?
It's a right we're holding onto fairly well, and I'd be worried if we started to lose it even a bit.
Print that whole thing up small enough, it'll fit on a sign you can hold up over your head next time you're in a Free Speech Zone...
That's Grumpy and Sleepy, who's next?
Jay C. | 06.16.08 - 10:29 am | #
omfg - DOC! (frist)
What? Me Worry?
Hundreds of Taliban fighters overrun villages near Kandahar. Second War comes back to bite W's ass.
Following the lead of the airlines and their brilliant checked baggage policy, SCOTUS has decided to start charging for Free Speech -- $25 for the first utterance with an increased sliding scale for each subsequent utterance to a limit of four.
I saw several people back away from the bar when that crossed my beer-addled gob. It sure felt good though.
GuyInMilwaukee | Homepage | 06.16.08 - 10:29 am | #
let me know if you need help with bail.
authoritarian "conservatives" get the bozack
Best blogwhore ever! Cristi Adkins, BUSTED as a GOP tool!
Hilarious!
Are you bucking for a job, Pantload? Don't you remember how you were booted off one TV panel show because the other panelists couldn't stand your stench?
Lime Rickey
You is very funny, in a dark, smart way.
I've been here so long, I remember your limericks. They were brilliant, btw.
$25 for the first utterance with an increased sliding scale for each subsequent utterance to a limit of four.
Toonscribe: employed-ish | 06.16.08 - 10:30 am | #
unless of course one is on the terrorist watch list.
I've been here so long, I remember your limericks. They were brilliant, btw.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
I do miss those.
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
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It's the musky fragrance of cigars and aqua velva.
I choose pistols at dawn!
How's about blindfolds and socks filled with manure?
It's a fun spectator sport!
SO I have the right to yell 'MOVIE' in a crowded Fire House?
how rights like habeas corpus and freedom of speech need to be curtailed because we are at war.
Except we're in a war against a Noun.
My hunch is that freedom from tyranny is dependent on the interaction of a whole series of legal and political-cultural commitments that vary enormously from tyranny-free country to tyranny-free country.
I think this comment from the link is about right, although "legal" is simply the state-enforceable bit of the "political-cultural."
Free speech is far more a matter of culture than of law. Many people in America have a notion of free speech which has almost nothing to do with the Constitutional law on the subject. Few, for example, realize the 1st Amendment didn't apply to the states until after the 14th Amendment was passed. So speech restrictions that change who we are as a nation, depend on who we are as a nation now. Which, ironically, is a conservative point of view.
Fewer still realize "free speech" means the government cannot restrict your speech, but private actors (to some degree) can. "Censorship" is a state action, not a publisher refusing to print and publish your words, for example.
I wonder why anyone is bothering about speech issues. This administration has proven one thing, if nothing else--the easiest way to overcome 1st Amendment rights is to just ignore the people exercising them.
Big demonstrations bothered Nixon because he was actually pretty thin-skinned for a politician, and Johnson saw them as writing on the wall.
Bush has completely ignored them. Most of the time, he's gone away for the weekend so he'll be sure not to notice.
Setting aside for the moment some of the nastier aspects such as fencing people off a mile from events, what's the easiest way to subvert the spirit of the free speech and assembly clauses? Just ignore such petitioning. Go right ahead and do what you planned to do. It gives the protesters the illusion that they are being seen and heard, and may have an impact, and you do whatever you want inside the bubble of the WH.
Free speech costs a lot. You usually have to pay for it in blood. And once it's gone, you likely won't get it back. Only a fool would agree to let it be taken away, even just a teeny weeny little bit. Once that principle is compromised, even just a little, like atrios says, we've given up something so fundamental to our notion of who we are and the relationship between the govt. and the governed, that nothing would be the same, or safe, after that.
Bubble wrap!
Freedom of speech should probaly only be reserved for "Good Americans". The others would just abuse the priviliege.
36,000 homeless in Iowa, with former homes still filled with dirty river water.
Except we're in a war against a Noun.
I'd like to wage war on the past imperfect, myself.
They were brilliant, btw.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Thanks. I started talking in limerickese, so I hadda quit.
Free speech costs a lot.
I hear it's a buck-oh-five.
How's about blindfolds and socks filled with manure?
It's a fun spectator sport!
popular with red necks since high gas prices forced NASCAR to disband.
Wait until Glen Beck takes over Press the Meet. We're gonna miss Russert as scary as that sounds.
How's about blindfolds and socks filled with manure?
It's a fun spectator sport!
36,000 homeless in Iowa, with former homes still filled with dirty river water.
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Bush managed to issue a statement on Russert's death. Has he said anything about this major disaster?
I'm at war with the dangling participle.
I would not be surprised if it were Luke Russert.
Go right ahead and do what you planned to do. It gives the protesters the illusion that they are being seen and heard, and may have an impact, and you do whatever you want inside the bubble of the WH.
montag
Actually, seems to me, it means the protests matter not a whit, and the '60's were an aberration, and we fixed their wagons this time!
Which is as un-democratic as you can get. Which is the scary part.
Bush contemplates writing his memoir
REUTERS
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LONDON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush, scrutinized in books by former colleagues including a blistering critique by his ex-spokesman, is considering writing a memoir of his own
Im sure we all sleep with a copy of his first book"A Charge To Keep" under our pillows,so Im going to suggest the new title:"All The Beano On Earth Cannot Erase Your Stench".
Has he said anything about this major disaster?
He will be visiting the area Thursday. Sound familiar?
Wait until Glen Beck takes over Press the Meet. We're gonna miss Russert as scary as that sounds.
Oh, heaven forfend! I cannot take any more of the right wing bullshit. Seriously. No. more.
haha! thanks southern beale!
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they didn't even make the registry info private! what dopes!
Let Sam Nunn replace Tim Russert.
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Bush contemplates writing his memoir
"I don't think, therefore, I fuck up."
Since Poppy didn't write a book, I fully expect Dubya to once again do the opposite.
Whenever someone mentions "libertarian" without prefacing it with "stupid fucking" I know to pretty much ignore them...
LONDON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush, scrutinized in books by former colleagues including a blistering critique by his ex-spokesman, is considering writing a memoir of his own
A coloring book would be appropriate.
I'm at war with the dangling participle.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 06.16.08 - 10:36 am | #
[crosses legs protectively]
wasn't it said that an ignorant culture will demand authoritarian rule? and wasn't it also said that democracy required an educated electorate?
Erm... that may be was already...
minusp
Maybe that is why I live in Europe now.
Bush contemplates writing his memoir
"The funny thing is, the French don't have word for 'memoir'"
My Pet Scrot..."
Obviously the only form of free speech that counts is multi-million dollar campaign contributions from multi-national corporations. Isn't that what the founding fathers had in mind?
I'm at war with the dangling participle.
You read your Emily Dickenson
And I my Robert Frost...
I'm at war with the dangling participle.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 06.16.08 - 10:36 am | #
I love it when you talk dirty.
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(tuba/foghord) wah-wooooooow.
I'm at war with the dangling participle.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
"It's a still-life watercolor,
Of a now late afternoon..."
Oh, wait! That's "The Dangling Conversation."
My bad.
Two Paul Simon "jokes" and I was first!
WOO-HOO!
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
That would be the ticket to end all tickets.
That's Grumpy and Sleepy, who's next?
Jay C. | 06.16.08 - 10:29 am | #
You show tapes of their campaign appearances to help people cure insomnia.
i may go to war with the subjective.
YOU go to war with the IMPERATIVE!
How about a War on Fat Chicks? Am I right guys?
Wait until Glen Beck takes over Press the Meet.
Two gigantoid billboards on I-40 in downtown Nashville advertising Beck's crappy show that no one watches. CNN I'm sure regrets that loser decision. He's done nothing but cost them money.
Hundreds of Taliban fighters overrun villages near Kandahar. Second War comes back to bite W's ass.
Nobody could have foreseen...
President George W. Bush, scrutinized in books by former colleagues including a blistering critique by his ex-spokesman, is considering writing a memoir of his own
I'm taking bets that he won't let Mickey Herskowitz ghost it this time, either.
This administration certainly does have a penchant for autobiographical hagiography, doesn't it?
But, I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Numbnuts sits down to write that first chapter.
Try to imagine a fly choking with laughter....
That's Grumpy and Sleepy, who's next?
Well, we've already got Dopey in the WH.
What's this? Congress is going to sue Opec in Peoria! Whomp, price per barrel of oil goes up $10.00. Saudi Arabia raising production? Whomp, price per barrel up another $10.00.
if all goes well, someday i'll be at war with the future perfect.
I love it when you talk dirty.
krsaz
I'd blush if I were not so grumpy today. Still, I ♥ you.
Senator Leahy reams Mr. Squeaky!
Never heard him speak before. The Wally Cox from Hell...
Listening to the media sitting shiva for Russert I was struck by how many of them said he was nice to the little, unimportant people. Howie Kurtz actually called them "unimportant". They all marvelled that one of their tribe would waste his time with the hoi polloi.
Bill Press said he used to complain that Russert was harder on Dems because it was his way of being fair.
Fair? The guy had the most powerful show on Sundays and he let these assholes run roughshod over the working people he supposedly cared about. Why? Well, the money was great, but better still, he wanted to be in the loop and one of the ruling class. Mission accomplished.
Bush's Memoir:
I guessing there will be a ghost-writer.
President George W. Bush, scrutinized in books by former colleagues including a blistering critique by his ex-spokesman, is considering writing a memoir of his own
Chapter One: "I Wuz Born A Poor Black Chilz in Tex-ass."
We have always been at war with the Gerund.
CNN I'm sure regrets that loser decision.
Oh, I hope so.
LONDON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush, scrutinized in books by former colleagues including a blistering critique by his ex-spokesman, is considering writing a memoir of his own
If it ever actually gets written there will certainly be a ghost writer involved.
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
Two words: Spiro Agnew.
3 million acres of crops destroyed in Iowa.
Free Speech is an American norm in away that some of our other claimed rights aren't in that generally elites are on board with it in a way that they aren't necessarily, say, on board with strong interpretation of 4th amendment rights.
And the reason the unfettered 1st doesn't bother the elites--they control the info flow and will always have the $$ to do so.
Bush contemplates writing his memoir
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First draft:
"hiz memwah"
i may go to war with the subjective.
YOU go to war with the IMPERATIVE!
dirk gently, melancaholic
"Death to all modifiers!"--Yossarian
How about a War on Fat Chicks? Am I right guys?
ThatBadComedianGuy | 06.16.08 - 10:40 am | #
no.
rubens was.
China drilling for oil off Florida -- Fox News is still peddling it.
I'm not sure how someone so uninspiring as Fred Thompson could be considered for the VP spot.
Maverick needs someone who's wife will be scrutinized more than his own Barbie doll.
"Death to all modifiers!"--Yossarian
Thank you for making me laff.
Spiro Agnew was the VP for Nixon who obviously could speak for himself, however, paranoid he may have been. Have you listened to McCain lately? He and Fred would make a hell of a pair. Wouldn't they?
Title of Bush's memoir: It was Everyone's Fault but Mine!
I'd blush if I were not so grumpy today. Still, I ♥ you.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 06.16.08 - 10:42 am | #
[uncrosses legs seductively]
Greg Jarret wasn't so bad on 9/11 when he worked for MSNBC.
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"While enacting such laws might not automatically send you down the slippery slope, I think if we started doing so it would signal that we'd already started heading down it."
Well, like Ari Fleischer said, Americans need to "watch what they say". Especially when the NSA is listening...
Possible Titles:
"Clearing Brush While Terrorists Make Other Plans"
"I'd Like To Have A Beer With Me"
"Why I Hate America"
"How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Destroyed A Country"
Title of Bush's memoir: It was Everyone's Fault but Mine!
Certified Mutant Enemy
Chapter Two: "Mexican Hookers Made Me Drink and Use Coke--for 30 Years!"
Blogger arrests hit record high
More bloggers than ever face arrest for exposing human rights abuses or criticising governments, says a report.
Since 2003, 64 people have been arrested for publishing their views on a blog, says the University of Washington annual report.
In 2007 three times as many people were arrested for blogging about political issues than in 2006, it revealed.
...
The report pointed out that it is not just governments in the Middle East and East Asia that have taken steps against those publishing their opinions online. In the last four years, British, French, Canadian and American bloggers have also been arrested.
The report predicted that the number of blogger arrests in 2008 would exceed the 36 seen in 2007 thanks to greater popularity of blogging as a medium, greater enforcement of net restrictions, and elections in China, Pakistan, Iran and the US.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/techn...ogy/
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Yes, elections do tend to incite repression.
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Title of Bush's memoir: It was Everyone's Fault but Mine!
Certified Mutant Enemy
It'll be an answer to McClellan:
"Wha' Happened?"
Title of Bush's memoir: It was Everyone's Fault but Mine!
Certified Mutant Enemy
W's whole life has been someone else's fault!
Kathryn Jean Lopez: Well count me among those who think men matter. Why do they need saving though? Don’t they usually do the rescue missions?
Kathleen Parker: Men are, indeed, excellent rescuers. We like that about men. In fact, Western men rescued women once upon a time from their status as pack mules. As my friend Matt Labash might say, I like to call that Western Civilization. Men also created the big-idea documents that ultimately resulted in women’s suffrage and equality under the law. Women have demonstrated their gratitude by reaching the summit and basically pulling the ladder up behind them. “See ya, guys. You’re on your own now. Oh, and we’re taking the kids.”
It's tough to reach the summit if you have to drag kids along.
Spiro Agnew was the VP for Nixon who obviously could speak for himself, however, paranoid he may have been.
His best lines were written by William Safire.
Just sayin'....
W's whole life has been someone else's fault!
I blame his parents...
Who's writing for McCain?
China drilling for oil off Florida -- Fox News is still peddling it.
P O'Neill
"marge, it takes 2 to lie"
/homer simpson
fuxnews lies and their braindead zombie audiences listen
I blame his parents...
Certified Mutant Enemy
So does he!
China drilling for oil off Florida -- Fox News is still peddling it.
P O'Neill
They need to switch the radio stations they receive on their fillings. This one's getting old.
i willan haven on-been at war with the future semiconditionally modified subinverted plagal past subjunctive intentional
-- dr. dan streementioner
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Kathryn Jean Lopez: Well count me among those who think men matter. Why do they need saving though?
men can open jars
We're also good at killing spiders.
men can open jars
mogwai
Yes, yes we can.
Kathryn Jean Lopez: Well count me among those who think men matter. Why do they need saving though? Don’t they usually do the rescue missions?
Kathleen Parker: Men are, indeed, excellent rescuers. We like that about men. In fact, Western men rescued women once upon a time from their status as pack mules. As my friend Matt Labash might say, I like to call that Western Civilization. Men also created the big-idea documents that ultimately resulted in women’s suffrage and equality under the law. Women have demonstrated their gratitude by reaching the summit and basically pulling the ladder up behind them. “See ya, guys. You’re on your own now. Oh, and we’re taking the kids.”
This has been brought to you by Ladies Against Women™ - your oppression isn't complete without a pair of white gloves!
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Men are good and wonderful for many things.
i war verbed nouns
ThatGuy : We're also good at killing spiders.
I'm not. They give me the willies.
I can make sandwiches. That's about it.
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K-Lo and Kathleen Parker debate the issues of the day, in a wingnut-welfare version of the Dozens.
Back in Con Law 101, our prof sparked a small debate about whether there was any basis in law to treat freedom of speech differently (i.e., with greater protection) than any other guarantee in the Bill of Rights. There's basically no textual justification for it, but most everyone agreed that as policy matter, there is a good reason to guard it more zealously. Namely, freedom of speech is a necessary precondition for the debate about any other freedom. You have to ensure that you can even talk about the issues involved with other rights, before making decisions about those rights.
Spiro Agnew was the VP for Nixon who obviously could speak for himself, however, paranoid he may have been. Have you listened to McCain lately? He and Fred would make a hell of a pair. Wouldn't they?
Well, the question was related to how "inspiring" Thompson might be. Agnew didn't inspire. He irritated. 
But, for better illustrative purposes, I suppose I should have said, "Dan Quayle."
A y chromosome is an imperfect x.
Didn't The Clash say, 'You have the right to free speech, as long as you're not dumb enough to use it' ???
Ah, Society for Cutting Up Men
Namely, freedom of speech is a necessary precondition for the debate about any other freedom. You have to ensure that you can even talk about the issues involved with other rights, before making decisions about those rights.
Nim, ham hock of liberty
Shut up! SHUT UP! CUT HIS MIKE!!!!
men can open jars
mogwai
one of the (true) best conversations i ever had:
maria: i'll never get married
me: you need a man to open jars
maria: i don't need a man. i've got one of those rubber thingies.
also, gave me the name of a wonderfully selfsufficient character in a short story: amanda openjars
NTodd has one of those rubber thingies.
P O'Neill : China drilling for oil off Florida -- Fox News is still peddling it.
Jay C : They need to switch the radio stations they receive on their fillings. This one's getting old.
Has FAUX ever been right about anything? Seriously? Not just opinion, but correct on the facts?
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If we really have free speech here, how come more people aren't inciting riots?
NTodd has one of those rubber thingies.
plantsman
[hums "every sperm is sacred"]
But, for better illustrative purposes, I suppose I should have said, "Dan Quayle."
montag | Homepage | 06.16.08 - 10:52 am |
But his hair was perfect!
men can open jars
mogwai
one of the (true) best conversations i ever had:
maria: i'll never get married
me: you need a man to open jars
maria: i don't need a man. i've got one of those rubber thingies.
My grandmother could open any jar. When no one else could get it to budge, we handed it to her.
We're also good at killing spiders.
ThatGuy | 06.16.08 - 10:50 am | #
i move them outside.
but i leave the wasps for mrs g to deal with. i'm a'scairt of them.
"The Ultimate Sacrifice, How I gave up golf for my country" GW Bush
A y chromosome is an imperfect x.
SCUM | 06.16.08 - 10:52 am | #
No, it's a y chromosome.
Hint: smack jar on bottom with heel of palm sharply, jar becomes much easier to open.
My grandmother could open any jar. When no one else could get it to budge, we handed it to her.
Rmj: Pasty White Theologist
we bought my mom a black-and-decker jar opener.
she's more into electric appliances than rubber thingies.
Kathleen Parker IS Auntie Ruckus (ht to The Boondocks).
"The Ultimate Sacrifice, How I gave up golf for my country" GW Bush
"Behind the 8 Ball."