I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
ME!
Must explain why teh Bushes look so happy
http://news.search.yahoo.com/new...t&
c=news_photos
It's good for me.
And Walter.
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Must explain why teh Bushes look so happy
P O'Neill | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 5:10 pm | #
He thinks he gonna catch a big perch?
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What?
"This"? I'm assuming the flaming SUV, but I wouldn't know because I've killed my TV set. I will never again watch any corporate news or punditry.
Sir Digby Jones and trade unionism
This is in reference to.....?
bort!
To any crack whore who blows hobos
There is no blow as low as this:
To be compared to one who so blows
Like Madame Coulter. What a dis.
Say what?
WalterNeff, if you're pungent, can your iPhone give you a shower?
It always comes down to that stupid freshman level philosophy question: if a trees falls in a forest and no one is there to see it . . .
It would be comforting to have to world be a little bit more sophisiticated than a freshman level requirement, but I guess not.
Olexicon, if Ginger gets up on her haunches, she's much taller than I am. I can believe Champ was as big as you.
As a clarification.
The barbie pole dancer was some kind of electronic gizmo that actually had a female doll situated on a strippers pole that you were supposed to plug in your Ipod or computer and it would (I guess) gyrate to your music.
British officials raise terror alert to highest levels.
I was scared shitless of that dog, yet when i found out he had passed I was very sad
Um, link?
This thread is an existential threat to the blogosphere.
It's always good for Republicans.
If they act like goons it shows how manly they are.
If they act like wimps it shows how caring they are.
Anything Atrios post is good for the republicans.
What the hell you talkin' 'bout?
how old is Ginger?
The Register: Beavis and Butthead in London jihad
May I add a "what the fuck, over" about here?
NTodd, not sure if I owe you a drink or not.
The Register: Beavis and Butthead in London jihad
Moonbootica, Graduate | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 5:16 pm | #
Huh huh huh.
Settle down, Beavis!
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Imagine being a wehite extremist, staging crude props near darkies, and then celebrating the hammer's fall...
The UK's national terrorism threat level has been raised to "critical" after attacks in Glasgow and London.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown urged the public to be vigilant and added: "I know the British people will stand together, united and resolute."
The announcement came after a meeting of the government emergencies committee Cobra, following a burning car being driven into a Glasgow airport terminal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/62.../uk/
6257606.stm
white*
Olexicon, 9.
She has a fearsome bark, but she's actually just an oversized lapdog.
See NTodd about oversized lapdogs.
You Libs are so smarmy and utterly filled with hate towards Bush. I find it rather humorous.
This thread is an existential threat to the blogosphere.
NTodd, down with OCD
The blogosphere is essentially meaningless anyway.
"The announcement came after a meeting of the government emergencies committee Cobra, following a burning car being driven into a Glasgow airport terminal. "
why would they name their agency after GI Joe Villains?
In a suprise decision today, the Lands highest Court voted five to four that it was constitutional that everything come up roses for republicans.
Sometimes I love Atrios because of posts like this.
What a tease.
"When they own the information, Lord, they can bend it all they want." Or in other words, it IS laways good for Republicans.
Just wait until they feel confident enough to start sending the Republican Guard (currently called "Blackwater Inc.) after those who say it isn't good for Republicans.
Afternoon. Day one of 10 on call at the hospital. Ayuh, i'm cranky.
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The post by Atrios, methinks,
Should be refreshed with missing links?
Terrorism is more a threat to the market in the West than it is anything else...
no wonder they're so scared.
Mer, yeah, but the Sweaty Lunk(TM) didn't provide Catblogging yesterday.
following a burning car being driven into a Glasgow airport terminal. "
Reporting now the car most likely caught fire upon impact.
You Libs are so smarmy and utterly filled with hate towards Bush.
So you're agreeing that the presidency is a joke under the commander guy?
Dimocrats Suck | 06.30.07 - 5:19 pm | #
What the fuck is the idiot coward on about?
it's a sweaty lunk mystery
RED ALERT RED ALERT!
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.
Texas governor takes the same approach to disasters as his predecessor
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/
0706...7b8480c7cf48b17
What the fuck is the idiot coward on about?
Snow, Contrary
just his own blinding hatred for "Libs" like Dick Nixon and John Mitchell
Hey idiot libs........I stubbed my toe today..............It's all Bush's fault LOLOLOLOLOLOL
You Libs are so smarmy and utterly filled with hate towards Bush.
We don't hate him, we LOATHE him.
There's a difference.
How about some evidence of your allegations, Dimocrats Suck?
I find "dimocrats sucks" crazy scribblings even more hilariosus
Anything Atrios post is good for the republicans.
What the hell you talkin' 'bout?
mer
The question is -- are Republicans good for Republicans?
I would say No.
Hey idiot libs........I stubbed my toe today..............It's all Bush's fault LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Dimocrats Suck
well he is commander in chief
why do you hate america?
I don't kmow what it is, but the lapdog press must surely consider it a triumph for Popular President George Winston Churchill Bush!
Breaking: Cheetos truck overturns.
LET THE SIRENS SOUND AND NEVER LET THEM STOP.
Pity Bush. He should be the world's most powerful man who speaks truth to power. Instead he's a sniveling braggart possessed of locker room sensibilities and everything he's touched is a failure...
LET THE SIRENS SOUND AND NEVER LET THEM STOP.
cap
the unreleased follow up to
"let the eagle soar"?
We don't hate him, we LOATHE him.
There's a difference.
Gomez who ♥ Al Gore
Hey, I'm flexible enough to span that gap.
Sir Nigel Tufnel of the British Home Office has raised the terror alert to 11. Here at home, HLS Secretary Michael Scott has raised the terror alert to Threat Level Midnight.
BREAKING:CHEETO RESIDUE IN EXPLODING MICHIGAN TOILTES
Hey idiot libs........I stubbed my toe today..............It's all Bush's fault LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Dimocrats Suck
How do you manage to stub your toe when you're on your knees to your idol?
Glasgow airport & London car bombs -Terrorists: 0
Aw, it now appears that burning man is neither large scary man nor dead man. There were three terrorists in the vehicle.
i can't even tell from cnn if anyone was killed. looks like no one was hurt or killed.
so why is this such a big eff'ing deal?
We don't hate him, we LOATHE him.
According to the right there is no reason to hate the man or his policies. None. Whatsoever.
How about some evidence of your allegations, Dimocrats Suck?
No! No evidence, no facts! Faith-based allogations are the sole standard of evidence in trolling! (See also "enemy combatants", "We have found WMDs", and the entire works of Alberto Gonzales)
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Watching MESSNBC...........nah, there's no liberal bias........nah.
Poor stubby!
My new band
Dirk Gently's Burining Escort will be opening for Cheeto Residue at the State Fair
Aw, it now appears that burning man is neither large scary man nor dead man. There were three terrorists in the vehicle.
Snow, Contrary
I heard one was going: "Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk."
MSNBC reporting one suspect in the hospital in critical condition.
Aw, it now appears that burning man is neither large scary man nor dead man. There were three terrorists in the vehicle.
So burning man is still alive? What a sorry-ass suicider he was.
Truth has a liberal bias.
U.S. Raids Baghdad Slum; 26 Iraqis Die
BAGHDAD (AP) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki condemned a U.S. raid Saturday in Baghdad's Shiite Sadr City slum - a politically sensitive district for him - in which American troops searching for Iranian-linked militants sparked a firefight that left 26 Iraqis dead.
Watching MESSNBC...........nah, there's no liberal bias........nah.
Dimocrats Suc
then why watch it, don't you want the markets to work?
why do you hate free enteprise?
Watching MESSNBC...........nah, there's no liberal bias........nah.
Dimocrats Suck
Thought you guys teevees only received Fox Noise Channel?
MSNBC reporting one suspect in the hospital in critical condition.
bloggus
TORTURE HIM BEFORE HE DIES!!!
Aw, it now appears that burning man is neither large scary man nor dead man. There were three terrorists in the vehicle.
Now we're up to three? IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
Comedy Rule of Three now in effect.
Truth has a liberal bias.
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore
A well-known liberal bias.
MSNBC reporting one suspect in the hospital in critical condition.
The fact that MESSNBC describes the islamofascist terrorist as a "suspect" proves their liberal bias.
- Dimocrats Suck
Watching MSGOP...........yep, there's no liberal bias.
Fixed yer typos
When Leaving the vehicle "three blind mice' was heard on the car stereo
Good sense from the Shropshire Wildlife Trust
"...he's a sniveling braggart possessed of locker room sensibilities and everything he's touched is a failure..."
--Mr.Murder | 06.30.07 - 5:23 pm
You are right about that. What a stain on our country.
Here at home, HLS Secretary Michael Scott has raised the terror alert to Threat Level Midnight.
"Threat Level Midnight"? Pfui. Every damn thing these wankers do is named according to "Would this make a kewl Tom Clancy book title?"
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According to Keith Oralmann, these were some more stumbling, bumbling fools like the Fort Dix Six..............can you say...........dumb ass Keithy ??
Watching MESSNBC...........nah, there's no liberal bias........nah.
Yeah. General Electric has liberal biases. As does Microsoft.
Now we're up to three? IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
Three morons in Glasgow.
And TSA has once again made travel at every US airport a complete nightmare.
I told tyou guys this morning it was that evil Delta House
ruth has a liberal bias.
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore
A well-known liberal bias.
Gomez who ♥ Al Gore
Polls show that those who espouse truth are clearly left-leaning and possess dangerous things called facts.
Snow is now our Official Weekend Commentator.
I can't wait to see what you do with the Sunday Morning Bobbleheads 
You Libs are so smarmy and utterly filled with hate towards Bush. I find it rather humorous.
All 65% of us. Hee hee!!!!!
(You're in the 27% braindead crowd.)
You Libs are so smarmy and utterly filled with hate towards Bush.
We don't hate him, we LOATHE him.
There's a difference.
Gomez who ♥ Al Gore
I hate him.
Flory, are you traveling this coming week?
I'm traveling end of July. Not especially looking forward to getting through the airport. But I will have my trusty Sippy Cup.
Here at home, HLS Secretary Michael Scott has raised the terror alert to Threat Level Midnight.
Fluffy Dewy Morning just wasn't manly enough.
According to Keith Oralmann, these were some more stumbling, bumbling fools like the Fort Dix Six..............can you say...........dumb ass Keithy ??
Dimocrats Suck
why are you supporting olbeman you fucking shrill leftist
Keith Oralmann...is that what his young girlfriend calls him? Cute!
According to Keith Oralmann, these were some more stumbling, bumbling fools like the Fort Dix Six..............can you say...........dumb ass Keithy ??
And these idiots scare you why? Grow a spine, coward. Try the Marine Corps; they might be able to make a man out of you.
Not much to work with, but they do miracles.
Pity Bush. He should be the world's most powerful man who speaks truth to power. Instead he's a sniveling braggart possessed of locker room sensibilities and everything he's touched is a failure...
Mr.Murder | 06.30.07 - 5:23 pm | #
I don't know, Mr. Murder. Is Angela Merkel that bad?
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Terrorists do not even have to be competent enough to pull of a successful effort.
The reactionary Bush jacobins do the work for them and shut down most of the Western world...
Get a load of this AP article...
'Sicko' film gives accused little say
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20070...CjZ_XGS_6FxFb8C
Would the AP ever "fact" check GOPers like this?
And TSA has once again made travel at every US airport a complete nightmare.
The next goddammed thing will be to require travellers to walk to the airport - unless they ride with a gubmint-approved (= kickbacking) service.........
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Olexicon, hurry up and get your video rented.
We're watching ours tonight.
How do you manage to stub your toe when you're on your knees to your idiot?
flory
Fixed your typo.
According to Keith Oralmann, these were some more stumbling, bumbling fools like the Fort Dix Six..............can you say...........dumb ass Keithy ??
Dimocrats Suck
Hey that's pretty good. Keith calls whatsisface "Bill Orally", so our local troll decides to call Keith "Oralman".
Damn. These guys are sooo fucking funny.
But I will have my trusty Sippy Cup.
Filled with Stoli?
He wants Olberman to kick o'reilly ass in the ratings,, or else he would';t watch him
Keith Oralmann
Someone is jealous.
How long before the health care problem get blamed on the trial lawyers again?
(You're in the 27% braindead crowd.)
Recent polls show only 12% strongly support Bush. The other "somewhat support" 15%ers have put away their pom-poms.
Keith Oralmann...is that what his young girlfriend calls him? Cute!
I did not need to know that.
Moore's 'Sicko' Gives Accused Little Say
Moore tells viewers there are about 50 million people in the U.S. without health insurance.
Just this past week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated there are about 43.6 million uninsured people in the country. In March, the Census Bureau put the number at 44.8 million.
Keith lifted Orally from Fawlty Towers though.
I don't know, Mr. Murder. Is Angela Merkel that bad?
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ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
Well that's a case of being touchy-feeley.
She was success before he touched her. The after effects are debatable to this point...
Sally< I will just as soon as i finish this draft of my small town Graduation piece
pie, Stoli, or Grey Goose. Depends on what Costco's carrying at the time.
sallyh -- going back to Dallas on Thursday.
Assuming it hasn't washed away by then.
Recent polls show only 12% strongly support Bush.
Oh my. That's really pitiful.
Yeah, look at Oralmann's rating, he's a powerhouse in media broadcasting................baaaaaaaah haaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Recent polls show only 12% strongly support Bush. The other "somewhat support" 15%ers have put away their pom-poms.
Oh what a good point.
Depends on what Costco's carrying at the time.
Either one will do nicely.
Just this past week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated there are about 43.6 million uninsured people in the country. In March, the Census Bureau put the number at 44.8 million.
road
Census only deals with legal US residents...
Just this past week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated there are about 43.6 million uninsured people in the country. In March, the Census Bureau put the number at 44.8 million.
road |
he actually deals with those who are insured in the movie, so that tlaking point is dead as dillinger
Recent polls show only 12% strongly support Bush.
Oh my. That's really pitiful.
pie
That could be just my mom and dad.
Flory, teh suckage.
Are you taking your Sippy? They have a really cute one with Elmo on it, and it holds at least five shots.
Moore noted that about 18,000 people die each year as a result of the lack of health insurance.But that number comes for a January 2004 report from the Institute of Medicine. The report said the uninsured do not get the care they need and are more likely to die prematurely.
eah, look at Oralmann's rating, he's a powerhouse in media broadcasting................baaaaaaaah haaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Dimocrats Suck
after all you're watching him
Yeah, look at Oralmann's rating, he's a powerhouse in media broadcasting................baaaaaaaah haaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Yeah, but you are scared of three suicide bombers who couldn't even manage to kill themselves. Why?
Did I just hear Kelly O'Donnell on MSNBC saying that the UK threats must be balanced against the Democrats call for withdrawal from Iraq???
sallyh -- going back to Dallas on Thursday.
Assuming it hasn't washed away by then.
You really don't want to do that. It really is wretched here.
Our few remaining should get themselves one of these:
http://www.realdoll.com/
Then they wouldn't have time to hang around liberal blogs and spew silly bullshit.
Taking on the pharmaceutical industry, Moore says it spent millions of dollars lobbying Congress for a Medicare prescription drug benefit.
"Of course it was really a bill to hand over $800 billion of our tax dollars to the drug and health insurance industry," he said.
Moore is citing the projected cost for the Medicare drug benefit's first 10 years.
Last year, however, Medicare officials told The Associated Press that the projected cost of the benefit through 2015 stood at about $729 billion, a substantial drop compared with original estimates.
"Dinocrats Suck" want solbermann to stay on the air forever and does so by watching him
One person has died and a number have been injured in a crash involving more than 30 cars in Kent, police say.
The accident, which took place at about 1625 BST on the A20, four miles outside Dover, is believed to have been caused by dense fog and rain.
Six fire crews, police and a Red Cross vehicle are currently at the scene.
The coast-bound carriageway of the A20 has been closed and drivers are being warned to avoid the Folkestone and Dover area.
Kent Police Assistant Chief Constable Allyn Thomas said he was surprised there were not more casualties given the "absolutely terrible" weather conditions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...ent/
6257456.stm
Are you taking your Sippy? They have a really cute one with Elmo on it, and it holds at least five shots.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Yeah? I was hoping for a My Little Pony sippy.
In Holden's honor.
Just this past week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated there are about 43.6 million uninsured people in the country. In March, the Census Bureau put the number at 44.8 million.
And you think the 12 million illegals are insured?
Over half of US residents who file for bankruptcy do so due to medical expenses. Of those, about 65% have medical coverage through their employers.
What's wrong with this picture?
Did I just hear Kelly O'Donnell on MSNBC saying that the UK threats must be balanced against the Democrats call for withdrawal from Iraq???
Rosali
WHAT "threats"?
Why are the MSM such cowards?
It's always good for them, but everyone hates Bush. Even some of his die-hard supporters are now looking to lose him.
Moore also noted the some of the elderly in the drug program could end up paying more for their prescriptions than they did before. That is true. But the vast majority do save because of the tens of billions of dollars in annual government subsidies to help cover the cost of their medicine. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services says people save about $1,200 a year on average by participating in the program, called Medicare Part D.
Tastee Freeze is coming out with a Sippy Cup
Gomez, you're mom and dad support Bush?
Flory, I'll check when I go to buy another one for Maddy.
Sesame Street and Disney seem to dominate the market.
road | 06.30.07 - 5:35 pm | #
You're really picking those nits, aren't you, asshole?
Over half of US residents who file for bankruptcy do so due to medical expenses. Of those, about 65% have medical coverage through their employers.
What's wrong with this picture?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
But "socialized" medicine is evil and a plot by Trotsky to take over Canada with a fifth column
An incident in which a car was driven at Glasgow Airport's main terminal and burst into flames is being treated as a terrorist attack by police.
Strathclyde Police Chief Constable Willie Rae confirmed the attack was being linked to two car bombs found in London on Friday.
He also revealed a suspect taken to the city's Royal Alexandra Hospital was found to have a suspect device on him.
Two men were arrested following the attack at 1515 BST.
Chief Constable Rae told a news conference in Glasgow that the suspect at the hospital was being treated for severe burns and was in a critical condition.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotl...and/
6257846.stm
Michael Moore weighs 315 lbs..........and he's scolding us about HEALTH CARE. This is why you idiots get laughed at.
At one point, Moore notes where the U.S. ranks in terms of health care around the world.
"The United States slipped to No. 37 in health care around the world, just slightly ahead of Slovenia," he said.
That ranking is based on a 2000 report from the World Health Organization that some health analysts viewed as misleading.
Moore does not say that one of the countries he highlighted, Cuba, is ranked 39th, below the U.S. Among the others, France is ranked No. 1, the United Kingdom ranked 18th and Canada ranked 30th. He does not give those rankings, either.
You really don't want to do that. It really is wretched here.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
I've heard. I was supposed to go last week but my original flight got cancelled and they couldn't find another one for me.
Could happen again next week.
Didn't Keith just get a nice contract with some nice money to go along with it?
Olbermann must have good ratings.
Only rightards get a contract extension and a raise when their ratings suck.
Hecate, 77% of a random sample consider the Iraq War to be going badly and want it over; 47% consider it to be going very badly.
And that's good for Chimpy how?
Terrorists do not even have to be competent enough to pull of a successful effort.
The reactionary Bush jacobins do the work for them and shut down most of the Western world...
Mr.Murder
These would-be bombers that today were duped
They may be cretinous beyond belief
But still, no matter how inept and stupid,
They are no match for our Moron-in-Chief.
And you think the 12 million illegals are insured?
Snow, Contrary
And on welfare,
And on Social Security,
And sleeping with our women...
(Well maybe not the last one)
IOIYAFT
It's Okay If You're A Fresh Thread.
Over half of US residents who file for bankruptcy do so due to medical expenses. Of those, about 65% have medical coverage through their employers.
What's wrong with this picture?
Under the Bankruptcy Reform Act, those filings should not have been allowed. They should have died working to pay their corporate masters. Bankruptcy is for the corporations and the owning class.
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Did I just hear Kelly O'Donnell on MSNBC saying that the UK threats must be balanced against the Democrats call for withdrawal from Iraq???
Looks to me as if the "flypaper" ain't working too well. Let's leave.
the British police are saying that they are treating recent Glasgow incident and the 2 failed bombings in London as linked
Michael Moore weighs 315 lbs..........and he's scolding us about HEALTH CARE. This is why you idiots get laughed at.
Dimocrats Suck
"Michael Moore is fat"
boy are you pathetic
road | 06.30.07 - 5:37 pm
Oh, I see jack is back to call Michael Moore a "liar".
jack, you need some new material.
Shit, Einstein noticed Moore is fat! The jig is up!
I don't know what point 'road' is trying to make here: $729 billion vs. 800, 45 million vs 50 million uninsured, and data from a 2004 report (the actual numbers are likely higher today). It all adds up to a big 'close enough' to me. Weird.
Michael Moore weighs 315 lbs
And Denny Hastert??????????
Any more Scotish Jihaggists?
Over half of US residents who file for bankruptcy do so due to medical expenses. Of those, about 65% have medical coverage through their employers.
Sadly, They still have to pay their mortgage while in bankruptcy. Even if the house is taken away from them.
And sleeping with our women...
(Well maybe not the last one)
What was that great movie about Class Wars in Beverley Hills?
road is cutting and pasting from here.
http://www.wtopnews.com/index.ph...106&
sid=1178597
wingnuts must be shitting their beds every hour on the hour
so if you're oiverwight tyou can't tlak abnout helathccare and if your rich you can't help the poor?
boy that makes it hard
I don't know what point 'road' is trying to make here
Trolls aren't here to make points.
"SICKO"................why I'm a fat slob......by Michael Moore
Recent polls show only 12% strongly support Bush.
11% is today's Assmussen. A new low.
Olexicon, I had an up close and personal encounter with the Canadian healthcare system this past winter.
Monsieur's vision went wavy and dark. We went to Victoria Hospital at McGill University. We waited less time than we usually do in a calm, quiet ER, despite the fact that it was very crowded and busy. We saw a doctor on duty, and she referred Monsieur to an ophthalmologist specializing in retinal problems, who saw him the next morning.
Total cost? $50C.
Bush was a deserter. Just saying.
wingnuts must be shitting their beds every hour on the hour
Moonbootica, Graduate
They feel alive again.
"Michael Moore is fat"
"The health care system in america is broken , lets have a dialogue to fix it"
which is the more measured response
Michael Moore weighs 315 lbs
And Denny Hastert??????????
Terry C - End Bush's War Now! |
Well, to be perfectly fair, Denny Hastert doesn't give a flying fuck if working people lose their homes because of insurance company scams.
Recent polls show only 12% strongly support Bush. The other "somewhat support" 15%ers have put away their pom-poms.
I've long thought that many of the people who "approve" of Bush are the kind of folks whose attitude is "you should support your president in a time of war", that is, they really don't like him, but they figure it's their "patriotic" duty to back him under the current circumstances.
Michael Moore weighs 315 lbs..........and he's scolding us about HEALTH CARE.
So, if he were to lose a hundred pounds you'd be in favor of socialized medicine?
Michael Moore weighs 315 lbs..........and he's scolding us about HEALTH CARE. This is why you idiots get laughed at.
Dimocrats Suck
George Bush ,who has an IQ smaller than his shoe size, is not a very good role model for President then?
THESE ARE SOME BIG BIG LIES FROM MICHAEL MOORE.
AS CNN NOTED LAST NIGHT, HEALTHCARE IN FRANCE AND BRITAIN COMES AT THE PRICE OF HIGHER TAXES. IT'S NOT FREE, AS MICHAEL MOORE WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE.
You're really picking those nits, aren't you, asshole?
Snow, Contrary
And I haven't noticed that a single one of those nits disproves Moore's point.
Healthcare in this country sucks.
So only 44 million people can't get decent healthcare in the richest country in the world.
Medicare is only turning $729 billion over to Big Pharma.
The priests can't talk about sex.
Wait. Never mind.
Michael Moore weighs 315 lbs..........and he's scolding us about HEALTH CARE.
About the system, jeenyus. The system.
11% is today's Assmussen. A new low.
How low can he go?
Twenty beheadings in Iraq?! Sounds like Abu Ghraib all over again.
"SICKO"................why I'm a fat slob......by Michael Moore
Dimocrats Suck
so what do you plan to do to fix the helath care problem in america, Dumbass?
Michael Moore weighs 315 lbs.
Where did you read those numbers? Mine say he only weighs 305.
I've long thought that many of the people who "approve" of Bush are the kind of folks whose attitude is "you should support your president in a time of war", that is, they really don't like him, but they figure it's their "patriotic" duty to back him under the current circumstances.
Richard
Sounds like the Nazis.
AS CNN NOTED LAST NIGHT, HEALTHCARE IN FRANCE AND BRITAIN COMES AT THE PRICE OF HIGHER TAXES. IT'S NOT FREE, AS MICHAEL MOORE WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE.
Hello, Mr Strawman, have I introduced you to Mr Dumbfuck Wingnut?
Flory, the 44 million is a 2005 figure.
It's estimated to be closer to 47 million at this point.
Not to be picking nits or anything.
Bush was a deserter. Just saying.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
And he sure isn't daddy's boy.
AS CNN NOTED LAST NIGHT, HEALTHCARE IN FRANCE AND BRITAIN COMES AT THE PRICE OF HIGHER TAXES. IT'S NOT FREE, AS MICHAEL MOORE WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE.
yack |
Taxes are good because they help to fund things like medicare
11% is today's Assmussen. A new low.
Oh my goodness! That's really pitiful.
Or Gitmo. Same as Auschwitz really.
AS CNN REPORTED LAST NIGHT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE MEANS LONG LONG LINES.
Michael Moore weighs 315 lbs.
Its less if he gets naked.
HEALTHCARE IN FRANCE AND BRITAIN COMES AT THE PRICE OF HIGHER TAXES
Exactly. Let's tax the Paris Hiltons of the country and give the rest of us medical care. I don't mind if it cuts into her Crystal consumption.
When the rethugs I knew started explaining to me that since they understood me to be a secular, moral relativist, free-loving hippie, womanizing, femminist, effeminate, sexless, gay, liberal, pacifist, vegan, it was obvious that I would endorse militant Islamic supremists, I realized that they were just too insane for any logical discussion.
yack | 06.30.07 - 5:41 pm
jack, jack.....shouting doesn't make your posts any more true.
but they figure it's their "patriotic" duty to back him under the current circumstances.
That, or they don't want to be seen as wrong for supporting the loser in the first place.
As an American, I'm proud to pay taxes!
AS CNN NOTED LAST NIGHT, HEALTHCARE IN FRANCE AND BRITAIN COMES AT THE PRICE OF HIGHER TAXES. IT'S NOT FREE, AS MICHAEL MOORE WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE.
Why, why, why, why, why, are you taking the side of the companies that rip you off? Why, why, why, why, why?
DO YOU HAVE IN POOR CLINICS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? GO VISIT ONE, THAT'S WHAT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE WILL BE LIKE.
HEALTHCARE IN FRANCE AND BRITAIN COMES AT THE PRICE OF HIGHER TAXES
I would gladly pay higher taxes if it went to health care and social programs.
Not illegal occupations of countries that never attacked us.
Flory, what I think is equally a problem is that those who do have coverage still can't get what they need.
I just got a letter from WellPoint telling me that they're not going to cover Lithobid XR anymore, and I should just suck it up and buy generic Li2CO3, which has to be taken five times a day as opposed to twice.
I'll suck it up and pay for it from my own pocket, but not everyone has that luxury.
Michael Moore weighs 315 lbs..........and he's scolding us about HEALTH CARE. This is why you idiots get laughed at.
AS CNN REPORTED LAST NIGHT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE MEANS LONG LONG LINES.
yack
no it doesn't, not for emergencies
however for surgeries there is waiting lists
and what does every election in cnanada come down to?
How to save medicare and not privatize
Rasmussen was saying a couple weeks ago that Harry Reid had the same approval rating as Scooter Libby.
Dim sun has the same goal as the GOP traitors...drowning the United States government in a bathtub.
AS CNN NOTED LAST NIGHT, HEALTHCARE IN FRANCE AND BRITAIN COMES AT THE PRICE OF HIGHER TAXES
No. That's actually HIGHER TEXAS.
Pass the doobie, pilgrim.
yack | 06.30.07 - 5:43 pm
jack needs CNN to tell him when to take a dump.
Stop shouting, you moron!
We would not need to raise taxes at all if we rolled back the tax cuts for the ultrawealthy AND quit funding foreign misadventures like Iraq and Afghanistan.
DO YOU HAVE IN POOR CLINICS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? GO VISIT ONE, THAT'S WHAT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE WILL BE LIKE.
yack
no it won't
Rasmussen was saying a couple weeks ago that Harry Reid had the same approval rating as Scooter Libby.
That's nice, dear. And as always, I appreciate the link.
Oh, no.
The Little Sociopath is here.
Tell Bush socialized health care = long lines, he'll be itching to snort if you say that!
In the film, an insurance company call center employee says her company has a list of pre-existing conditions that would "wrap around this house." The conditions, including diabetes, heart disease and cancer, make applicants ineligible for coverage. Numerous disorders then scrolls up a black screen in yellow letters - think of the "Star Wars" movie introductions.
Karen Ignagni, president and chief executive of the trade group America's Health Insurance Plans, said Moore does not identify the plan involved but that it is not a typical one. She said about 17 million people in the U.S. are insured under individual plans and an additional 200 million under group plans.
Michael Moore weighs 315 lbs.
So, he's got a little problem with this compulsion to eat the head of the troll after he's bitten it off.
We would not need to raise taxes at all if we rolled back the tax cuts for the ultrawealthy AND quit funding foreign misadventures like Iraq and Afghanistan.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
thats far too logical
Where's Simels when you need him?
AS CNN NOTED LAST NIGHT, HEALTHCARE IN FRANCE AND BRITAIN COMES AT THE PRICE OF HIGHER TAXES. IT'S NOT FREE, AS MICHAEL MOORE WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE.
But they don't pay health insurance premia in those countries. So you might save money in the move to single-payer system.
i was quite happily ignoring The Little Sociopath
Last week polls revealed Toby was as popular around here as roadkill.
Unchanged this week.
Lotta trolling going on all of a sudden. The terra terra terra gets them all stiff.
Olexicon, occupational hazard.
My bad.
How much tax is going to be needed to fund dear leaders war in Iraq dumbfuck?
Karen Ignagni, president and chief executive of the trade group America's Health Insurance Plans, said Moore does not identify the plan involved but that it is not a typical one. She said about 17 million people in the U.S. are insured under individual plans and an additional 200 million under group plans.
ROAD
nice quoting of an industry PR flack
We would not need to raise taxes at all if we rolled back the tax cuts for the ultrawealthy AND quit funding foreign misadventures like Iraq and Afghanistan.
We could fund all health care for the less than we're paying to kill our troops.
Each of jack's posts get more ridiculous than the last.
The Little Sociopath is here.
Terry C - End Bush's War Now
Yeah, and he gets agitated if he gets ignored.
Exactly. Let's tax the Paris Hiltons of the country and give the rest of us medical care. I don't mind if it cuts into her Crystal consumption.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
And the really sick thing about most of the "reform" plans out there -- even the Dem plans -- is that they're all payroll tax based, so Paris wouldn't pay a nickel for her healthcare.
Karen Ignagni, president and chief executive of the trade group America's Health Insurance Plans, said Moore does not identify the plan involved but that it is not a typical one.
Ooh, there's a completely objective party to listen to...
We would not need to raise taxes at all if we rolled back the tax cuts for the ultrawealthy AND quit funding foreign misadventures like Iraq and Afghanistan.
We could fund all health care for the less than we're paying to kill our troops.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
Absolutely
My bad.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
it's all good
If we have socialized medicine we can cut the insurance company middle men out of the equation and there will be more money for taking care of the sick. Not to mention those who've been blown apart in Iraq to scratch Bush's war itch.
Smalfish, and we're talking about good healthcare, like the sort available in France and Belgium.
Polls are meaningless, but that doesn't keep asshole commies like y'all from relying on them as the gospel.
The US and UK have the same government expenditure on healthcare (as share of GDP). The difference is that the US share is so inefficiently spent through middlemen on Medicare and Medicaid.
~waves to NTodd~
Have a lovely full moon evening tonight!
DO YOU HAVE IN POOR CLINICS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? GO VISIT ONE, THAT'S WHAT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE WILL BE LIKE.
No. I've used the so-called socialized medicine in Europe. It's pretty much the same as the medical establishment I've visited here. And when my mom had mastectomy she had a private room and unlimited visiting hours and they even gave her a small glass of cognac on the last day before she came home.
Flory, I'm good with Paris getting free health care. Just so long as our vets can get whatever they need as well.
AS CNN NOTED LAST NIGHT, HEALTHCARE IN FRANCE AND BRITAIN COMES AT THE PRICE OF HIGHER TAXES. IT'S NOT FREE, AS MICHAEL MOORE WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE.
Doctors, hospitals, AND common American citizens are all failing to keep going in this 'free market' system.
The 'third party payors', aka Big Insurance, they are posting solid, consistant profits.
Explain to me just once again how this Invisible Handover is creating the best possible system?
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Polls are meaningless, but that doesn't keep asshole commies like y'all from relying on them as the gospel.
Toby Petzold
Life is meaningless, but that doesn't keep assholes like you from breathing.
TLS must have run out of dogs to set on fire.
I'll suck it up and pay for it from my own pocket, but not everyone has that luxury.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Wellpoint was the scum of the insurance industry before they got bought by Anthem. Now they're worse.
Can you switch plans?
YES, IM HOME SCKULLED. WHY DO YOU ASK?
You coward librals aren't smart enough to be scared!
We need the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE......cuz us libs can't make it in talk radio by ourselves, we need gov't help........EER America rocks.............lol.
Polls are meaningless,
Toby Petzold
Especially polls in Florida.
Lotta trolling going on all of a sudden. The terra terra terra gets them all stiff.
Hecate
Exciting days of flame and airport broaches
Get trolls all in a scurry, like cockroaches.
Polls are meaningless, but that doesn't keep asshole commies like y'all from relying on them as the gospel.
Yes, that's nice dear. Now eat your pudding. It's got extra Cheeto sprinkles on it, just the way you like it!
Right now, with my health care plan. I have to sign a waiver for the insurance company to investigate if I've ever had the issue I'm now making a claim on.
What did toiby say about polls in 2003?
Flory, this IS the good plan where Monsieur works. (BC PPO+)
My choices are even worse via my employer.
"Polls are meaningless"
Unless they favor the wingnut point of view.
Toby Petzold is meaningless
There's nothing more fetid and ranker
Than this: a conservative wanker;
An all-Cheetos diet
Has left him a riot
Of gout, rickets, scurvy and canker.
Toby Petzold is meaningless
Dust in the wind
Lotta trolling going on all of a sudden. The terra terra terra gets them all stiff.
Hecate
That and Bush being at 27%.
Toby Petzold is meaningless
Hardcore 11%er, that one.
Have a lovely full moon evening tonight!
I refuse to even look up at the sky to observe the illusion.
"Polls are meaningless"
says Toby, as Bush hits 12%
Polls are meaningless when they don't go republican's ways,
FYT.
I have relatively good health insurance through my employer but the red tape has got to cost a small fortune.
As for foreign medicine, I remember a post Atrios did once about a time when Mrs. Atrios got sick in Europe and got excellent care .
And the really sick thing about most of the "reform" plans out there -- even the Dem plans -- is that they're all payroll tax based, so Paris wouldn't pay a nickel for her healthcare.
That's the beauty of corporate Wall Street capitalism. If you buy a gallon of milk, you pay sales tax. If you buy $5000000 worth of stock you pay no sales tax. Sales tax is so highly regressive it would make Mitt Romney's dog defecate on MIlton Friedman.
I watched The Lord of the Rings again the other day and I must say, Toby's performance as Gimli was priceless.
What a cute little fellow!
But they don't pay health insurance premia in those countries. So you might save money in the move to single-payer system.
Echidne of the snakes
The trool is still on Mom's insurance plan, so it's not really paying any premiums now.
We need the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE......cuz us libs can't make it in talk radio by ourselves, we need gov't help........EER America rocks.............lol.
Dimocrats Suck
you didn;t come forward with a solution to the health care crisis without the words "Michael moore is portly" yet
I'm waiting to hear your solutiuon to this problem
Hardcore 11%er, that one.
bloggus
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I pay $1,450.00 per month for health insurance for me and my secretary and we both are relatively healthy with no pre-existing conditions.
DS sounds as if he's about 14 years old.
Polls are meaningless, unless Fred Thompson's wife is dancing on one of them.
Elections are meaningless too, unless we rightwing cowards stole them.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/lSe0dXx3.jpg
Michael Moore's evil twin.
It's awesome that after long absences, we got liberal jeenyus and Toby this afternoon. And Zod keeps coming back even after betting us he wouldn't.
It's a cute pathology they have.
Flory, I'm good with Paris getting free health care. Just so long as our vets can get whatever they need as well.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I'm not. Not when they could just as easily make it income tax based, rather than payroll tax, and make Paris and her ilk pay their fair share.
Shit, blue it again.
I'm waiting to hear your solutiuon to this problem
olexicon, at woik
Shot of whiskey, bite a bullet, cut out what ails you with a rusty knife. Pilgrim.
I also want to point out that most of the countries which have single-payer systems also have small private systems which you can participate in if you want to get elective stuff done quicker. They don't seem to grow very large but they are there for those who want them.
What scares me to death is what I'll do when I retire. I don't see how I'll be able to afford medical care and I make a pretty decent salary and save a large chunk of it. I really don't want to be a burden on my son and his family. In fact, I'd like to think that after a lifetime of generally working two and three jobs, I'd be able to take G/Son out for ice cream once in a while or out to lunch and a museum.
Flory, I'm good with Paris getting free health care. Just so long as our vets can get whatever they need as well.
We are going to spend the rest of our lives having trolls complain about those worthless homeless vets. The military actively works to discharge the horribly wounded asap so they don't incur the medical costs. And the VA works to make US citizens feel good about tehmselves than it does to help veterans themselves.
It's a cute pathology they have.
Not to bring up a nasty subject, but if Atrios can ban by individual IP's now...
How is Bush's surge of dead soldiers working out?
Bo, isn't that the htmlies?
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Flory, income tax based would be a more equitable system than payroll tax, but it assumes a progressive system of taxation. Which appears to have been blown to hell under this regime.
McCain admits he's a big fat liar.
“Of course I am going to misspeak and I’ve done it on numerous occasions and I probably will do it in the future.”
My choices are even worse via my employer.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Really? I thought the university system had some damn good plans.
UC certainly does.
That's the beauty of corporate Wall Street capitalism. If you buy a gallon of milk, you pay sales tax. If you buy $5000000 worth of stock you pay no sales tax. Sales tax is so highly regressive it would make Mitt Romney's dog defecate on MIlton Friedman.
It's also why you get mealy-mouthed, inheritor-of-billion$ Steve Forbes advocating the apparently 'fair' flat-rate income tax.
Because, inder the Forbes plan, the ONLY Fed taxes would be on 'income' - and income is defined as a salary, not in any way to include stock dividends or interest on principal.
In other words, the "No Taxes on Steve Forbes and His Golf Buddies, EVAH! Plan"...........
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When mob debt collectors would rob our house after my abusive husband would run up loan shark debt, I would always welcome him back with open arms. He does beat the shit out of me, but I somehow feel safer with him.
Hecate, what is this 'retirement' of which you speak?
My suggestion: expand Medicare for everyone, and raise taxes on the rich to pay for it.
Good sense from the Shropshire Wildlife Trust
Flory, UC's are declining, and Cal State's choices are: high deductible indemnity plan, Blue Cross HMO, and Kaiser Permanente in Southern Cal.
It's funny that the wingers always say they don't want government in the business of healthcare. Why not? Why is that anathema when it's in the business of building roads and other such things for the common good? I guess the only thing they really want government to have as a power and responsibility is the ability to kill people in our name...
Flory, income tax based would be a more equitable system than payroll tax, but it assumes a progressive system of taxation. Which appears to have been blown to hell under this regime.
Let's be honest now. This kind of stuff is extremely bipartisan.
I pay $1,450.00 per month for health insurance for me and my secretary and we both are relatively healthy with no pre-existing conditions.
Gomez who ♥ Al Gore
Eep!
If you're both healthy, you might want to investigate a high deductible plan. It can save you enormous amounts if you don't use a lot of healthcare.
McCain admits he's a big fat liar.
He's going for the GOP base. Fucking brilliant.
what is this 'retirement' of which you speak?
Exactly. I figure I'll be working until I'm dead. And you know, I'm getting kind of tired of working. My dad had a union job and supported our whole family on just his salary. Retired w/ a great pension and full medical benefits. At 60. Not going to happen for me.
Which appears to have been blown to hell under this regime.
Like everything else has.
peace and humptiness for animal house
I look for McCain to lock up the nomination by announcing he's incompetent and has Alzheimer's.
Hecate, not going to happen for me, either. Especially if Monsieur wants to retire at 55. Which, considering we're still helping our kids with educational expenses and major dental work, probably ain't gonna happen.
Not to bring up a nasty subject, but if Atrios can ban by individual IP's now...
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
No such luck.
Timber used to be the largest employer out here. Now it is medical industry. What would become of the insurance companies if we went with Gomez' plan (which I favor, but wonder the impact).
Eep!
If you're both healthy, you might want to investigate a high deductible plan. It can save you enormous amounts if you don't use a lot of healthcare.
flory
We have. I'm self-employed. She need extra doctor visits for counseling. That's what jacks up the cost.
what is this 'retirement' of which you speak?
Something from my parents' time.
Today i just hope to die while my term life plan is still in effect, so that my family might see some small sum.
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Fux chyron spelling -- "VISABLE"
Exactly. I figure I'll be working until I'm dead. And you know, I'm getting kind of tired of working. My dad had a union job and supported our whole family on just his salary. Retired w/ a great pension and full medical benefits. At 60. Not going to happen for me.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I've been working since I was 17.
I have a feeling I'll be working till the day the coroner comes to collect me.
Gomez, you know, Bush says Americans use too much medical care.
yes, he did say that.
Love you, Moonbats. Off for some nekkid happy dancing w/ the witches under the June full moon. Have a lovely evening.
What scares me to death is what I'll do when I retire. I don't see how I'll be able to afford medical care and I make a pretty decent salary and save a large chunk of it.
Welcome to my world. I haven't had a employer based plan in nearly 20 years.
Flory, income tax based would be a more equitable system than payroll tax, but it assumes a progressive system of taxation. Which appears to have been blown to hell under this regime.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
It's still more progressive than payroll taxes.
And the whole connection between employment and healthcare is an artifact of WWII that has long since outlived its usefulness.
Gomez, you know, Bush says Americans use too much medical care.
yes, he did say that.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Well, if Cheney wasn't shooting people in the face....
Flory, agree with you on that--and apparently, a lot of businesses are starting to feel that way as well.
Love you, Moonbats. Off for some nekkid happy dancing w/ the witches under the June full moon. Have a lovely evening.
Is it full moon time again? I haven't seen the moon in ages.
Gomez, you know, Bush says Americans use too much medical care.
yes, he did say that.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
The same asshole who said working three jobs is uniquely American.
In fact, right now I have to have the lights on just to see the keyboard.
My suggestion: expand Medicare for everyone, and raise taxes on the rich to pay for it.
Gomez who ♥ Al Gore
First fix the Medicare drug benefit. Then this is an excellent suggestion.
Gomez, you know, Bush says Americans use too much medical care.
yes, he did say that.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Actually we don't. And we don't get preventive care which could prevent the higher incidence of cancer, diabetes and heart attacks.
my father is a semi retired
he left full time work in 2000 and now does things on commission, a friend of his passes on jobs he might be interested in, to do with being a Quantity Surveyor
as I understand it he gets a work pension, a state pension and now that he turned 60 last year he gets a free bus pass and a winter fuel allowance.
he on the whole works 3 days a week and he does what he wants, which allows him to go on skiing holidays.
CNN sez there's a body in the jeep.
Gomez, bless you for using the word "preventive", and not that other abomination.
Gomez, you know, Bush says Americans use too much medical care.
yes, he did say that.
The White House physician on staff, the direct admissions to the Preznitial wing of Walter Reed, all that is a rightful perk of being Teh Deciderer. The lifetime totally-funded healthcare of Congress, that is righteous too.
It's you non-ruling class assholes who get more doctoring than you deserve. Just work till you're useless, then die already!
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Medicare is only turning $729 billion over to Big Pharma.
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AND GOMEZ....we are being raped by greedy motherfukkers
Gomez, of course we don't.
Since when has Chicken Caesar ever made a reality based statement?
And as for Bush's theory that one 'shops around' for medical care: if I get hit by a semi, I'm not going to have time to choose what happens.
Since when has Chicken Caesar ever made a reality based statement?
"Being a dictator would be easier. If I was the dictator."
Flory, UC's are declining, and Cal State's choices are: high deductible indemnity plan, Blue Cross HMO, and Kaiser Permanente in Southern Cal.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
And you're not interested in Kaiser? They're a much better healthcare system than they use to be.
In fact, when it comes to recruiting, they're the first choice of most of the really good doctors coming into the Bay Area these days.
Our employers shop around. Hence, this is not true capitalism.
Flory, Kaiser in SoCal sucks ass.
Gomez, you know, Bush says Americans use too much medical care.
yes, he did say that.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
He is wrong though he is sort of right in one sense: Americans get too much health care for certain treatments and too little for other treatments. Groups of Americans get far too little health care (the poor, especially the poor children). But there is some truth in that the dying get too much health care of the kind which isn't working any longer in the case of the terminally ill. Much of that interventionist care is very, very expensive. On the other hand, there is far too little treatment of the kind that could really save money and lives later on. Just something like dental care and hearing and eye exams for all children at school could make a big difference in their overall abilities to thrive.
flory, I had Kaiser Oakland in the 80's and loved it. They even sent me off site for an mri. Just love the 24 hour advice line. Doctors get to be doctors.
Rich Americans spend too much on Viagra.
Actually we don't. And we don't get preventive care which could prevent the higher incidence of cancer, diabetes and heart attacks.
Gomez who ♥ Al Gore
What we use too much of is surgery and drugs.
Actually we don't. And we don't get preventive care which could prevent the higher incidence of cancer, diabetes and heart attacks.
Gomez who ♥ Al Gore
This regime isn't into preventing death.
Their trip is causing it....on a grand scale.
The lifetime totally-funded healthcare of Congress, that is righteous too.
Isn't it lovely that we provide our employees and their families with free healthcare for life?
Medicare is only turning $729 billion over to Big Pharma.
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AND GOMEZ....we are being raped by greedy motherfukkers
A lwayer named Mark McCormick once observed :" You go into business with a guy, you make $2 profit, you say 'Hey, that's pretty good, we each made a dollar'. You make $2 million profit, and you say 'That son-of-a-bitch is getting a million dollars of MY MONEY!'"
Stretch that to $69 billion, and there you are.
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Flory, we were on KP for a while. I could see my psychiatrist once a year. I had trouble getting refills on my meds. My primary care MD would be booked for months in advance. I hated the staff in the local branches.
No thanks.
My suggestion is expand Medicare for all. Even if everyone now paying co-pays, along with employer benefits, the tax rate for medical insurance would not equal co-pays. Cut the insurance companies out and health care would cost a lot less.
Everyone knows that health care is not free. It's just a matter of who gets the dollars--the medical field or the insurance companies.
there is some truth in that the dying get too much health care of the kind which isn't working any longer in the case of the terminally ill.
One reason NTodd's Pa's Wife initially didn't want a kidney transplant. She didn't want to be a burden on the system in her end-of-life...
Flory, Kaiser in SoCal sucks ass.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Well, crap.
You're fucked, m'dear......
Just something like dental care and hearing and eye exams for all children at school could make a big difference in their overall abilities to thrive.
Echidne of the snakes
One of my Nieces who I think is eight, was just recently diagnosed and treated for a hole in her eardrum. She was finally diagnosed by her school who decided that her speech was too slurred for her age. It only took them so many years to figure it out.
I have relatively good health insurance through my employer but the red tape has got to cost a small fortune.
As for foreign medicine, I remember a post Atrios did once about a time when Mrs. Atrios got sick in Europe and got excellent care . Hecate
There's a $10 Billion/year industry for lawyers involved reimbursment disputes between medical practices and insurance companies.
I waited damn near three months for orthotics because the insurance company first claimed they never got the bill, then said they weren't the responsible party, and the fuckin' podiatrist wouldn't release the lifts until he got paid.
My aunt, 83 years old, was paying $150 a month for Kaiser for about 10 years before the moron plan administrator finally figured out that the true cost was supposed to be $850 a month.
There's a whole fucking profession based on doing the coding and processing of medical claims.
Nah, things aren't fucked up at all. [/snark
Insurance companies routinely deny claims because a percentage of people won't fight them.
Echidne is right--old people in Florida, for example, use way too much health care relative to outcomes.
Echidne is right--old people in Florida, for example, use way too much health care relative to outcomes.
Halfdan
And then they vote for Buchanan.
I've had coverage denied too (a fucking doctor visit), and had to go round and round with the insurance company.
They can be bastards.
flory, I had Kaiser Oakland in the 80's and loved it. They even sent me off site for an mri. Just love the 24 hour advice line. Doctors get to be doctors.
ErinPDX
And they weren't even all that good back in the 80s. They're much, much better now.
there is some truth in that the dying get too much health care of the kind which isn't working any longer in the case of the terminally ill.
And premies. Many of whom will not see their first birthday.
And then they vote for Buchanan.
I can just see the right wing replay their stupid arguments of 1993 and 1994 with the Harry and Louis ads again.
There's a whole fucking profession based on doing the coding and processing of medical claims.
Nah, things aren't fucked up at all. [/snark
bo
And the real joke? Coding is a very well paid job.
It's been outsourced.
To India and China.
I for one hail our competent conversation overlords for their ability to shoo away the ignorant trolls.
I meant Harry and Louise.
there is some truth in that the dying get too much health care of the kind which isn't working any longer in the case of the terminally ill.
And premies. Many of whom will not see their first birthday.
flory
It's this "all life is sacred" bullshit. These people care more NOTHING about the QUALITY of life.
What!? You incoherent motherfu©k3r!~@
I don't get away with shiz like this..
On the waiting lines in single-payer systems: The thing is that all systems ration who gets care first in some way. A market-based system does it with money, in the sense that the person with money and a need gets service. A totally socialized system must ration on some other basis. For instance, waiting times for elective surgeries. Or by the ability of the patient to speak on the same class level as the provider and to demand better service. Or whatever rule is arrived at.
The point is that ALL systems ration care, because care is expensive. The system we have rations it by income, pretty much.
I for one hail our competent conversation overlords for their ability to shoo away the ignorant trolls.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
Too many big words and complicated terms.
Impeach Harry and Louise.
We get 60 senators, we get health care.
Coding is a very well paid job.
Tim Russert makes millions a year doing it.
I can just see the right wing replay their stupid arguments of 1993 and 1994 with the Harry and Louis ads again.
Well I hope somebody has learned something from that. As in we are already being rationed; we are already waiting in line; and we are already unable to choose our primary care providers.
I know too many doctors order too many tests because they might get sued.
No I am not a troll. This happened to me in the eighties when my daughter had a kidney infection. The pediatrican said she needed to go to the hospital for tests, and I said wtf? He told me he had to tell me this so I wouldn't sue he if the antibiotic he prescribed didn't work.
It may be possible to put health care in the budget, then it can't be filibustered.
coding...
One can get into some sticky ethical situations there. um hmm
Trollies, Suck this!
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Moore covers a lot of ground. Our team investigated some of the claims put forth in his film. We found that his numbers were mostly right, but his arguments could use a little more context. As we dug deep to uncover the numbers, we found surprisingly few inaccuracies in the film. In fact, most pundits or health-care experts we spoke to spent more time on errors of omission rather than disputing the actual claims in the film.
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Gee whiz, CNN must be a commie plot.
The point is that ALL systems ration care, because care is expensive. The system we have rations it by income, pretty much.
Echidne of the snakes
You wouldn't believe the number of well educated people that I know -- that work in healthcare -- that cannot grasp this simple point.
But for them, it's a non-starter. They're in the priveliged class with good access to care and a system that might move them into some lower priority scares the pants off them.
Oh, I forgot to say, I did not take my daughter to the hospital.
Flory, I'd give Kaiser another shot if I knew they'd improved in this area, but so far, it's not looking promising.
My best bud, who has Kaiser, had a mastectomy (because for her type of cancer, her surgeon said Kaiser wouldn't do a lumpectomy, because it would involve radiation). They would not do a reconstruction because it was strictly 'cosmetic.' ("You can have a nice prosthesis, dear.")
She saved her money for 8 years, went to a superb plastic surgeon, and finally got her reconstruction. With no help from Kaiser.
When I was having gyn problems in the late 90s, we were still on Kaiser. I was told to take BC pills for it and come back in six months if it hadn't improved. (I was a 41 year old smoker .)
We bailed at the next open enrollment.
Sorry -
It's this "all life is sacred" bullshit. These people care NOTHING about the QUALITY of life.
I know too many doctors order too many tests because they might get sued.
And they throw MRIs and CT scans around because they just want to be sure.
No I am not a troll. This happened to me in the eighties when my daughter had a kidney infection. The pediatrican said she needed to go to the hospital for tests, and I said wtf? He told me he had to tell me this so I wouldn't sue he if the antibiotic he prescribed didn't work.
mer
He lied, mer. He needed to order tests so he chose the right antibiotic for the bacterium that was causing the infection. If more doctors treated with the right meds (and more patients took them as prescribed) we wouldn't have so many resistant organisms evolving.
The point is that ALL systems ration care, because care is expensive. The system we have rations it by income, pretty much.
Echidne of the snakes
Nicely put, goddess.
Flory, it is amazing that people don't understand that care is already rationed. It's been for sometime.
Then there's the self-rationing of not seeing the doctor if you can't afford it.
No I am not a troll. This happened to me in the eighties when my daughter had a kidney infection. The pediatrican said she needed to go to the hospital for tests, and I said wtf? He told me he had to tell me this so I wouldn't sue he if the antibiotic he prescribed didn't work.
mer
Nope you're not a troll. It's true. More so for some specialties than for others.
Pediatricians, neurosurgeons and OBs worry about it a lot.
Gerontologists -- not so much.
Excellent posts, Atrios, but I must move on.
I still don't see any doctors starving.
there is some truth in that the dying get too much health care of the kind which isn't working any longer in the case of the terminally ill.
In the hospitals where i have worked, so much of that comes down to two things.
the first i call the "ER Effect". On ER, they diagnose anything in the first 30 minutes, fix it in the second 30, you never leave the ER, and they look like George Cloony doing it. That's the public expectation of medicine. All those dramiatic interventions, the crashcart and the electrodes, they never mention that it works maybe 1-in-4, 1-in-3. And that it hurts like pluperfect hell. But on teebee, those longshot chances always work.
the second is the brother in Vegas. All the family who have been there and seen Mom, they all agree to stop the shite, make her comfortable, and let her go. then the one brother states away in Vegas, who hasn't seen Mom in 15 years says "Do everything! Don't you kill my momma, or I'll sue your sorry ass!" And the doctors go right on doing everything, because the threat of a suit trumps everything in the world, including patient benefit.
In the end, medical care in America is a struggle between insurance companies that want to pay for nothing, and lawyers who will use anything, no matter how irrelevant, not done as grounds to sue. Each case is then that moment's trade-off between these two forces.
If a little medical judgement and good-of-the-patient can be worked in there as well, health-care people have had a good day.
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If rich people want more health care, let them go outside the system and pay for it.
Kind of like elective plastic surgery now.
The point is that ALL systems ration care, because care is expensive. The system we have rations it by income, pretty much.
See, that's not rationing in their minds. It's the Genius of the Market.
Like money has some inherent, objective purity...
Gomez, which is really, really common.
Some studies show that women in particular self ration; they're less likely to have insurance, and if it's a choice between them and their kids, the kids are going to get health care over them every time.
We get 60 senators, we get health care. - Gomez who ♥ Al Gore
DFA should make that their slogan for the next 17 months.
In their basements, cold and dank
Trolls eat Cheetos, then they wank.
Looks as if MSGOP is going to make a 24/7 thing out of this faux terra thing.
150 million people have good, employer based insurance in this country. Perhaps too good. Your arguments are meaningless to them.
I still don't see any doctors starving.
Gomez who ♥ Al Gore
The docs aren't the problem, it is the insurance companies. But they've got the docs and patient's circling each other while they rob the system blind.
We bailed at the next open enrollment.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Don't blame you. Funny how the same plan could be so different in two parts of the same state.
Flory, Kaiser NorCal has always been better. I have no idea why. This has been true for something like 25 years now.
150 million people have good, employer based insurance in this country. Perhaps too good. Your arguments are meaningless to them.
Your argument is meaningless.
150 million people have good, employer based insurance in this country. Perhaps too good. Your arguments are meaningless to them.
spook
The point of Sicko is that even that insurance is not good enough.
150 million people have good, employer based insurance in this country. Perhaps too good. Your arguments are meaningless to them.
spook
That's true. But that number is shrinking every day.
Eventurally there'll be more without than with.
Why does spook hate Americans with insurance?
150 million people have good, employer based insurance in this country. Perhaps too good. Your arguments are meaningless to them.
spook
What happens when they lose their job?
In their basements, cold and dank
Trolls eat Cheetos, then they wank.
Worthy of TS Eliot.
The docs aren't the problem, it is the insurance companies. But they've got the docs and patient's circling each other while they rob the system blind.
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore
Let us not let Big Pharma off the hook.
One of the reasons sallyh's plan stopped covering her medication is because some drug company is making obscene profits off it, I'm sure.
Not only is the number of people shrinking, but levels of coverage are declining rapidly.
There's no better way to keep an employee in line than the threat of losing health insurance.
As sick as that is, I think its one reason they want to keep the current system.
Me so funny. Me shitwad of logic.
150 million people have good, employer based insurance in this country. Perhaps too good. Your arguments are meaningless to them.
If i had time, i bet i could collect about 140 million stories of complaint from that 150 million well-insured...........
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One of the main cost inflators in our system are that large employer based plans cover too much. Those people are spoiled, that's the real conflict. Small employers, self employed and the poor all get screwed. The numbers aren't large enough to change the system unless the employers defect, and there's no real evidence that's occuring.
get real sicko
IN THR GREATEST BESTIST COUNTRY IN DA WORLD
http://www.northcountrygazette.o...smal_scorecard/
What happens when they lose their job?
That was certainly part of the Golden Handcuffs that kept me at the company for so long. In the end I decided I had to set myself free, no matter what the risks. Fortunately I've got some money in my HSA to pay for my COBRA for a while...
sallyh -- did you investigate Canada for your prescription?
The point of Sicko is that even that insurance is not good enough.
I found the hard way that claims can be denied in a very good insurance system. Took my sweetheart to the ER with a cut finger where the bone was showing. It was Easter Sunday and they had to call in a hand surgeon, to save the finger nerves.
The insurance company decided that he should have waited until the next weekday and gone to a regular doctor instead. They also decided that no specialist was needed.
Now, he had Blue Cross Blue Shield maximum coverage for this. I helped him fight the case for about two years. He lost.
The funny thing was that they paid for the hospital costs but not the hand surgeon's fees. Even though according to them he shouldn't have gone to the hospital at all.
There's no better way to keep an employee in line than the threat of losing health insurance.
As sick as that is, I think its one reason they want to keep the current system.
Pardon me, sir, your truth is showing........
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One of the main cost inflators in our system are that large employer based plans cover too much. Those people are spoiled, that's the real conflict.
Yes, we've heard you assert the same thing every time this debate comes up. Odd that you never change your talking points and yet can't ever provide anything to back them up.
That was certainly part of the Golden Handcuffs that kept me at the company for so long.
And imagine if you had kids? You wouldn't have been able to make that decision.
Pony Blow
MR. SNOW: In response of the news of the day, the President was briefed before and after -- before, during and after the bike ride on ongoing developments in London, and continues to be briefed during the day, regardless of where he may be. Phil Lago of the NSC has been communicating when necessary through the military aide. o
So the President is fully briefed up.
Cheney's Ten Commandments:
http://www.markfiore.com/
animati...mmandments.html
One of the main cost inflators in our system are that large employer based plans cover too much. Those people are spoiled, that's the real conflict.
Goddamn spoiled proles, wanting health care like their betters, for all the world as if they were human.......
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And imagine if you had kids? You wouldn't have been able to make that decision.
Absolutely. It's unconscionable.
Pony Blow
Q Tony, without compromising any information, obviously, can you broadly speak about how the President is able to stay in contact on these high-level things, even while he's on a bike ride? You said he was briefed during the bike ride --
MR. SNOW: If there's any information, the NSC can pass it through the military aide to tell the President.
Q And that's just done by a cell phone or something --
MR. SNOW: It's relayed to the military aide, again, by folks.
Q Is there a secure video conference in Kennebunkport that he could use?
MR. SNOW: Yes. Yes.
Q Do we know he was actually briefed, or are you just explaining to us that process if --
MR. SNOW: I'm explaining the process. I'm not entirely sure that there was a phone call. I think there may have been one passing on of information during the bike ride.
So the President is fully briefed up.
P O'Neill
I thought he was bringing honor and dignity to the White House by not telling us if he's wearing boxers oor briefs.
I NEVER WORRRRIED ABOUT HEALTHCARE
my dad was the smartest pathologist,and the most brillant mind of anybody i have ever met to date
he volunteered with his med school classmates for Jonas Saulk to inject them for Polio experiments...guess what..JONAS SAULK DID NOT PATENT THE POLIO VACCINE...he gave it to AMRIKKKKKKKA wanna talk about the greatest generation....lets really talk about them
One of the main cost inflators in our system are that large employer based plans cover too much. Those people are spoiled, that's the real conflict.
Fuck you.
Me so funny. Me shitwad of logic.
spook
No matter how many different names jack uses, his posts are still incredibly stupid.
he volunteered with his med school classmates for Jonas Saulk to inject them for Polio experiments...guess what..JONAS SAULK DID NOT PATENT THE POLIO VACCINE...he gave it to AMRIKKKKKKKA wanna talk about the greatest generation....lets really talk about them
Jonas Salk was a communist.
-Milton Friedman mumbling while Ayn Rand sits on his face.
Trollies wander to and fro,
daydreaming of wingnuts they would blow.
JONAS SAULK DID NOT PATENT THE POLIO VACCINE...he gave it to AMRIKKKKKKKA
If that happened today, SmithKleinBeecham would have him killed.
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In a dark basement
The bowl of golden Cheetos
Awaits the full moon.
So [Monkey Boy] is fully briefed up.
P O'Neill
And upon hearing about the "terra attack" overseas, his briefs quickly filled up.
ya know the country has become a huge cesspool
i really dont like how peeps dont live for the common good here
JONAS SAULK DID NOT PATENT THE POLIO VACCINE...
I never thought about that, but I guess he didn't.
Of course, back in those days, researchers didn't get teh patents, their univerisity or sponsoring organization got them.
Which is the way it should be, IMHO.
MR. SNOW: I'm explaining the process. I'm not entirely sure that there was a phone call. I think there may have been one passing on of information during the bike ride.
I'm getting a mental image of a guy in a suit running alongside a bicycling president, shouting out information and breathing heavily.
Whoops, the wife wants the computer, and she's too great to deny.
And by the way, i meant GlaxoSmithKlein. Brain fart.
Goodnight, gentles, goodnight and good luck!
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goodnight moonbats
The guy is never at his fucking desk when the shit happens.
Why is that?
I'm getting a mental image of a guy in a suit running alongside a bicycling president, shouting out information and breathing heavily.
The Kenosha Kid
I had an image of Chimpy with an earpiece -- and the volume turned off.
Right, Mouthpiece, but the information was nuthin' compared to the amount of gas I passed during that ride. They don't call me "Baby Boomer" no more, they call me "Super Boomer".
The guy is never at his fucking desk when the shit happens.
Why is that?
Gomez who ♥ Al Gore
Because he's never at his desk, period
this guy is just too liberal almost as liberal as hillary clinton:
Illinois Sen. Barack Obama defended his vote last year to build a 700-mile fence across the U.S.-Mexican border, saying it was just one component of a robust immigration bill he had worked hard to negotiate.
If this guy was in charge during WW2 we'd all be goosestepping now.
Odd that you never change your talking points and yet can't ever provide anything to back them up.
You're assuming that our ever present friend actually wants a serious discussion.
Being a "classic" troll means you can assert things simply for effect without actually believing in them.
If Allen Butler, "part-time tutor", ever got sick, he'd be up shit creek.
So the President is fully briefed up.
I wonder if georgie has special underros with the preznitial seal monogrammed on the crotch.
JONAS SAULK DID NOT PATENT THE POLIO VACCINE...
I never thought about that, but I guess he didn't.
Of course, back in those days, researchers didn't get teh patents, their univerisity or sponsoring organization got them.
Which is the way it should be, IMHO.
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Mike Moore disscusse it on Larry KIng ,it was a purposeful move...he didnt want to profit on misery...same with the guy who invented the dialysis machine
those wer heady dayz at NYU scool of med....where are those dedicated peeps now...poor dad is rolling over in his grave
at our lab...if ya couldnt pay...ya still got your tests!
If Allen Butler, "part-time tutor", ever got sick, he'd whine like a little bitch to his parents to either get their insurance to cover him, or to pay for his bills.
We Fix Typos, You Decide.
Fingers are not fetuses!
Just sayin....
So the President is fully briefed up.
I wonder if georgie has special underros with the preznitial seal monogrammed on the crotch.
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is it wrong to send him a GIG box of Chinese pretzels? dont tell Atrios
i meant a BIG BOX
i meant a BIG BOX
sittenpretty,creamsickle
Doesn't he already have Condi?
If this guy was in charge during WW2 we'd all be goosestepping now.
I would be taking an enforced shower.
i meant a BIG BOX
sittenpretty,creamsickle
a gig is big
The guy is never at his fucking desk when the shit happens.
Why is that?
Gomez who ♥ Al Gore
Imagine the damage he could do if he actually WORKED.
those wer heady dayz at NYU scool of med....where are those dedicated peeps now..
Fuck you!
-Robert Jarvik
The thing that pisses me of the most about insurance is the pre-existing condition. When my husband got laid off from his former job, we had to go back to buying our own insurance (I have my own business). We both had to get physicals, but since he had had some treatments on some pre-cancerous spots on his hand, BC/BS would covered us, but said if he got skin cancer they would not cover that. We ended up paying $650 a month for something that exempt his going to the doctor to treat his problem in the first place. Sicko, indeed.
i meant a BIG BOX
sittenpretty,creamsickle
a gig is big
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 6:44 pm | #
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teh true ...i dont think we can wait till 09
IMPEACH HIS DUMB MONOGRAMMED ASS NOW
Imagine the damage he could do if he actually WORKED.
Terry C - End Bush's War Now
cheney won't let him drive in traffic.
If this guy was in charge during WW2 we'd all be goosestepping now.
George Bush: Born too late to head Vinchy France, too stupid to have run it correctly if he had.
Oh great, a post under spinoza, just what I needed.
If this guy was in charge during WW2 we'd all be goosestepping now.
Gomez who ♥ Al Gore
Hell, his granddaddy thought Hitler was a swell fella to do business with.
MR. SNOW: I'm explaining the process. I'm not entirely sure that there was a phone call. I think there may have been one passing on of information during the bike ride.
If the president can't be bothered by a car crash in Scotland, why should I?
weird stuff about Jarvik from wikipedia:
-Jarvik is married to Parade magazine columnist Marilyn vos Savant, regarded as having the world's highest IQ
-He did not complete an internship or residency and has never been licensed to practice medicine.
-Although developing a better understanding through study and research, Dr. Jarvik eventually failed to reach his goal.
Oh great, a post under spinoza, just what I needed.
here, try getting under me.
The thing that pisses me of the most about insurance is the pre-existing condition. When my husband got laid off from his former job, we had to go back to buying our own insurance (I have my own business). We both had to get physicals, but since he had had some treatments on some pre-cancerous spots on his hand, BC/BS would covered us, but said if he got skin cancer they would not cover that. We ended up paying $650 a month for something that exempt his going to the doctor to treat his problem in the first place. Sicko, indeed.
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dearheart when i work my guts out to get universal healthcare for this country SOON ,i shall think of you and him too...i havel,Basil cell and squamous cell skin cancer too
If Allen Butler, "part-time tutor",
Tutor????????
Imagine the damage he could do if he actually WORKED.
Now there's a frightening thought that would keep me up at night.
Scary terrists, not so much. Not at all.
If the president can't be bothered by a car crash in Scotland, why should I?
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
[GW Fuckhead]
"Well, you know what they said on S and L: If it's Scottish, it's crap! So fuck it!"
[/GW Fuckhead]
Peance and Freeance is just boundin' all over the Middle East!
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About 20 anti-Syrian lawmakers in Lebanon have temporarily left their conflict-ridden country this summer -- apparently seeking safety abroad amid mounting security threats and the recent assassination of an outspoken politician.
An Associated Press count found more than two dozen lawmakers, many from the leading majority party bloc, have left Lebanon in the past 10 days. Some have returned, but about 20 remain abroad.
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Magic Beans of Democracy!
Pixie Dust of Freedom!
Condi and George should find a room and fuck each other instead of the world.
We ended up paying $650 a month for something that exempt his going to the doctor to treat his problem in the first place. Sicko, indeed.
Like I said earlier.
I have to sign a waiver for every treatment I get that allows the insurance company to investigate weather it was a preexisting condition.
MR. SNOW: I'm explaining the process. I'm not entirely sure that there was a phone call. I think there may have been one passing on of information during the bike ride.
Which, when you think about it, is a perfectly rational level of concern over what is really a non-event.
Won't stop them from blowing it all into terra, terra, terra!!!!!....but it does show that they fucking know exactly what they're doing.
Flory, it's still not outrageously priced at around $47/month, although higher than the $10 for the generic. I like this medication, it works well for me, and I don't have time to take meds 5X daily.
I could have killed the nurse who once said to me, just figure it out from the TV programs you watch each day. I looked at her and said, you know, I work for a living.
RED ALERT RED ALERT!
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.
cap
Nah
I feel so much better knowing these people are in charge of our security:
President Bush was being kept informed of the situation, the White House said. "We're in contact with British authorities on the matter," said Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for the National Security Council, in Washington.
The green Jeep barreled toward Glasgow's main airport terminal shortly after 3 p.m. Leeson said bollards _ security posts outside the entrance _ stopped the driver from driving into the bustling terminal, but the nose of the vehicle smashed the glass doors.
"If he'd got through, he'd have killed hundreds, obviously," he said.
AP photographs from the scene showed the car hit the building at an angle and was poking into the terminal. The Jeep struck the building directly in front of check-in counters, where dozens of passengers were lined up, police said.
Lynsey McBean, a witness at the terminal, said the driver kept trying to push the car forward after it got stuck, and "the wheels were spinning and smoke was coming from them."
She said one of the men then took out a plastic gasoline canister and poured a liquid under the car. "He then set light to it," said McBean, 26, from Erskine, Scotland.
Police subdued the driver and a passenger, both described by witnesses as South Asian _ a term used to refer to people from India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other countries in the region. The previous round of terrorist activity in Britain, in July 2005, was largely carried out by local Muslims, raising ethnic tensions in Britain.
Witnesses said one of the men was engulfed in flames and spoke "gibberish" as an official used a fire extinguisher to douse the fire.
O, the humanities!
We ended up paying $650 a month for something that exempt his going to the doctor to treat his problem in the first place. Sicko, indeed.
Like I said earlier.
I have to sign a waiver for every treatment I get that allows the insurance company to investigate weather it was a preexisting condition.
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PEOPLE, THIS IS INSANE!
-He did not complete an internship or residency and has never been licensed to practice medicine.
Heh. I hate that he does that drug commerical. It seems wrong on so many levels.
Spinoza, I knew that about Jarvik, and I laugh my ass off every time I see him hawking cholesterol meds.
The thing that pisses me of the most about insurance is the pre-existing condition.
how's this: when we got a quote for a high deductible policy, they found out several pre-existing conditions for mrs g - blood pressure, migrains, a couple others. so they raised the premium AND refused to cover them.
that's right: they charged us more for the privilege of not being covered for anything related.
I think there may have been one passing on of information during the bike ride.
Before or after Chimpy fell off the bike?
"If he'd got through, he'd have killed hundreds, obviously," he said.
And he knows that HOW?
Leeson said bollards _ security posts outside the entrance _ stopped the driver from driving into the bustling terminal, but the nose of the vehicle smashed the glass doors.
You know, if these were real terrorists, they probably would've, like, reconnoitered a bit and known about the barriers...
Never mind the bollards, full speed ahead!
Witnesses said one of the men was engulfed in flames and spoke "gibberish" as an official used a fire extinguisher to douse the fire.
Gibberish, like: "I'M ON FUCKING FIRE! PUT ME THE FUCK OUT! SAVE ME JEWISH GOD! SAVE ME TOM CRUISE!"
I could have killed the nurse who once said to me, just figure it out from the TV programs you watch each day. I looked at her and said, you know, I work for a living.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Now that's just fucking bizarre. The nurse works for a living. Why on earth would she assume you don't?
You could still prolly get it cheaper in Canada. Auntie GWPDA gets all her meds there.
Oh great, a post under spinoza, just what I needed.
here, try getting under me.
bugger off Dirk! I am showing mer how dendritic I can be.
I think there may have been one passing on of information during the bike ride.
causing bush to leap off the bike and exclaim "did someone say scotch?"
-He did not complete an internship or residency and has never been licensed to practice medicine.
Heh. I hate that he does that drug commerical. It seems wrong on so many levels.
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IMO he doesnt look particularly healthy either,though the canoe is a nice touch
"If he'd got through, he'd have killed hundreds, obviously," he said.
And if he'd had a NUCLEAR BOMB up his ass he'd have killed MILLIONS!!!!
Obviously.
bugger off Dirk! I am showing mer how dendritic I can be.
spinoza | 06.30.07 - 6:53 pm | #
the correct response is "no flirting"
here, try getting under me.
bugger off Dirk! I am showing mer how dendritic I can be.
I'll just advise the comely Mer to come sit by me.
Rmj,
Happy birthday!
And he knows that HOW?
Terry C - End Bush's War Now!
it's obvious.
weren't you paying attention?
OH!
Happy birfday RMJ.
Are you celebrating in style?
If he'd got through, he'd have killed hundreds, obviously," he said.
If you had a brain, you'd be dangerous.
And what airport doesn't have barriers and enough security at the entrances to prevent that kind of thing from happening?
This is just pathetic. Fucking MSM.
Our cable news entrtainment
is worse now thn when PARIS HILTON was THE story
TALK ABOUT NEEDING AN OVERHAUL!!!!!1
I'll just advise the comely Mer to come sit by me.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted | 06.30.07 - 6:55 pm | #
there's gonna be a rumble
tonight
Hey peeps, peepettes, NTodd
AP photographs from the scene showed the car hit the building at an angle and was poking into the terminal. The Jeep struck the building directly in front of check-in counters, where dozens of passengers were lined up, police said.
Old people in Florida are always crashing into shit and killing people. Maybe we should start killing them now so they don't do any more terrorists attacks by accident.
that's right: they charged us more for the privilege of not being covered for anything related.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
This is the major problem in using the insurance model for covering health care. Insurance companies do exactly what you describe. But insurance is not the best model for covering health care expenses. Insurers want to cover low-risk events, which means that they don't actually want to cover you if you are likely to need care soon.
I'll just advise the comely Mer to come sit by me.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted | 06.30.07 - 6:55 pm | #
there's gonna be a rumble
tonight
dirk gently, sociopathetic
'scuse me.....but aren't you two married?
NO FLIRTING!!!
SENDUING YOU A PRETTY WHITECAKE,WHITE ICING CUP CAKE RMJ
MANY HAPPY RETURNS OF THE DAY
Old people in Florida are always crashing into shit and killing people.
Race cars do as well. Maybe we should just ban all life's activities and call it a day?
Many happy returns, RMJ. I love that sentence. One of the first I learned in English lessons.
Old people in Florida are always crashing into shit and killing people.
What about shooting people in the face?
Flory, the nurse said, well, most of our female bipolar patients can't work.
I informed her I was getting my doctorate and taking care of my husband and small child. She was astonished.
Prejudice lives on.
dendritic--tree-shaped, also good for practicing kissing when you are eleven.
'scuse me.....but aren't you two married?
That never closes the menu, does it?
Insurers want to cover low-risk events, which means that they don't actually want to cover you if you are likely to need care soon.
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 6:57 pm | #
or at all. and once you DO need care, they need to drop you immediately.
there is no workable for-profit model for healthcare.
someone should explain that to edwards and obama. moore gets it. so does gore. so does kucinich.
so do i.
Race cars do as well.
Yeah, but it's been a while since a race car's gone into the stands and killed anyone(*).
(*)Offer not valid in Tennessee.
Well at least the in-crowd will have a car on fire in Scotland to talk about tomorrow instead of how many people died in Iraq.
Happy Birthday, RMJ
another year more curmudgeonly?
BTW, you can blame me for the public service announcement.
'scuse me.....but aren't you two married?
yes, but not to each other.
dendritic--tree-shaped, also good for practicing kissing when you are eleven.
I have pictures of you kissing an ash last week.
This is the major problem in using the insurance model for covering health care. Insurance companies do exactly what you describe. But insurance is not the best model for covering health care expenses. Insurers want to cover low-risk events, which means that they don't actually want to cover you if you are likely to need care soon.
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this of course ,is very practical thinking
scoring the big bux while 18 men ,women and children die,for lack of treatment DOESNT BOTHER ANYBODY AT ALL
Insurers want to cover low-risk events, which means that they don't actually want to cover you if you are likely to need care soon.
So much for the idea of transferring/distributing risk...
I have a post up about big pharma using sexy women to lure doctors into giving us crappy drugs. If anyone is interested.
Am I evil?
Last week's Bugman article talked about using boric acid power mixed with peanut butter and jelly as ant bait. Found that the ants invading the kitchen periodicly weren't too patial to that, but loooove saffola margarine, (bacon, too). I mixed up a batch of boric and saffola and set it down next to the garbage can in the garage. The little fuckers think it's so great there now bringing the eggs and placing them next to it!
Flory, the nurse said, well, most of our female bipolar patients can't work.
Properly medicated? Bullshit.
They had a very funny demographic cohort. Or she only noticed the ones who didn't work....just to reinforce her biases.
And of course -- her male patients were able to brave the wilds of the workworld....
So much for the idea of transferring/distributing risk...
NTodd, down with OCD |
it's ok if it is a big enough pool. like everyone.
otherwise, it doesn't work.
Flory, she's wrong, of course.
The whopping majority of bipolars work, and many of us succeed quite nicely.
or at all. and once you DO need care, they need to drop you immediately.
My homeowners policy covered theft of my tools twice. The last time they threatened to cancel if I ever tried that one again.
Last week's Bugman article talked about using boric acid power mixed with peanut butter and jelly as ant bait. Found that the ants invading the kitchen periodicly weren't too patial to that, but loooove saffola margarine, (bacon, too). I mixed up a batch of boric and saffola and set it down next to the garbage can in the garage. The little fuckers think it's so great there now bringing the eggs and placing them next to it!
Make sure thers is not in the area. BTW found that eye solutions that contain boric acid also work well to deter ants.
Bo, you are evil, but not for that reason.
everybody loves bacon
im not making any sense today
18 MILLION people a year die of lack of healthcare......SCANDOLOUS...SHAME ,SHAME
So much for the idea of transferring/distributing risk...
That works very well in the traditional insurance model where the company cannot predict who it is who will have the insured event occur. That's the pure random shot from the blue sky idea. But health needs are not like that, and there are indicators the companies can use to weed out the likely high-risk cases, which they do, as much as the law allows them to. Note that Medicare actually helps the companies because it takes care of the really high risks (the elderly) which are then not in the market.
Dinner awaits. Later, I'm sure.
everybody loves bacon
I love fake-on.
trifecta, outstanding.
The whopping majority of bipolars work, and many of us succeed quite nicely.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
i'm confused by this.
it's dangerous enough to get close enough to one to tell if it is male or female. and to tell them apart. so how do you know if a polar is bi?
everybody loves bacon
I love fake-on.
I love sewer water infested hog bacon! Fucking DEEEE licious!
sittenpretty,
To be picky, you errant skin cells aren't mutating into an herb, it's basal, not basil.
Got the same problem my self. A new dermatoligist gets a shot at digging some squamous out of my ear for the third time.
I have a post up about big pharma using sexy women to lure doctors into giving us crappy drugs. If anyone is interested.
trifecta | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 7:01 pm | #
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not to mention,free dinners at the PALM,ski trips to ASPEN Nba floor seats ...you name it
and Flory reports medicare spends almost a trillion on Big Pharma...Jonas wake up....we needya NOW
Note that Medicare actually helps the companies because it takes care of the really high risks (the elderly) which are then not in the market.
Echidne of the snakes
And it's why Kerry's reinsurance plan was one of the better ones to come along, if we're going to be stuck with a market bases/employer based healthcare model.
Transfer the highest risk onto a government financed reinsurer and require the insurance companies to cover everyone. With some serious rate regulation.
But health needs are not like that, and there are indicators the companies can use to weed out the likely high-risk cases, which they do, as much as the law allows them to.
Well, that's what I mean. Instead of saying our society is assuming risk, even increasing risk, to collectively care for our people, we turn it into a calculation as though we're insuring cars or homes. Rather dehumanizing...
I love fake-on.
i had fake eggs, morning-star farms fake steak and fake bacon for breakfast today.
real coffee, though.
Rasmussen was saying a couple weeks ago that Harry Reid had the same approval rating as Scooter Libby.
Toby Petzold
rasmussen lies, and Scooter's on his way to prison. Other than that, so what?
trifecta, outstanding.
Trifecta has a very good blog, and the motherfucker can whore it like nobody's business. But the sonofabitch has THE worst news on it!
The whopping majority of bipolars work, and many of us succeed quite nicely.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
True.
But hell at times.
.
And of course -- her male patients were able to brave the wilds of the workworld....
flory
What? Are you telling me that health care is skewed against women patients?
Unpossible.
The first "bomb" which everybody could tell was a fake was not scary enough, so they set up a second one.
Well, its my catharsis smalfish. I do enjoy phila's weekly good news post though.
What? Are you telling me that health care is skewed against women patients?
It's because you all are hysterical.
i had fake eggs, morning-star farms fake steak and fake bacon for breakfast today.
real coffee, though.
Morning Star has got everything, man. Good stuff.
And real coffee rocks, too.
The first "bomb" which everybody could tell was a fake was not scary enough, so they set up a second one.
enelysion | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 7:09 pm | #
Yeppers
To be picky, you errant skin cells aren't mutating into an herb, it's basal, not basil.
Got the same problem my self. A new dermatoligist gets a shot at digging some squamous out of my ear for the third time.
bo | 06.30.07 - 7:06 pm | #
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thank you ,it sure looked funny when i typed it
Unpossible.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
I do so hate to be the bearer of bad tidings.
So sorry.
I saw Ratatouille with the younguns today. It was delightful. My favorite Pixar effort yet.
I like trumpet in pop songs -
"Walk on Bi... ba ba ba ba pa"
Well, that's what I mean. Instead of saying our society is assuming risk, even increasing risk, to collectively care for our people, we turn it into a calculation as though we're insuring cars or homes. Rather dehumanizing...
It's even worse than that. I had a pure A-student at the college some years ago. She was diagnosed with a chronic disease and at that time she was under her parents' health insurance. When she graduated (which was very hard, what with all the pain and fatigue), she found out that her choices were:
a) to go on welfare to get California state coverage
or
b) to let her parents end up bankrupt by paying for her.
She couldn't get private coverage, given her pre-existing condition, and she was too old now to be on her parents' policy. Her treatments were too expensive for anybody to pay out of pocket. But her choices meant that she couldn't work at all and had to live almost like someone on the streets to get covered.
All that learning wasted. And her life, too.
I do so hate to be the bearer of bad tidings.
You should meet Trifecta.
The first "bomb" which everybody could tell was a fake was not scary enough, so they set up a second one.
You know how much I hate the conspiracy stuff wrt 9/11, but I can totally see agitprop and psyops type stuff of this magnitude. And, of course, they would have to pay incompetent motherfuckers to be stooges, as opposed to the people who successfully pulled off 9/11.
I do so hate to be the bearer of bad tidings.
So sorry.
flory
The first "bomb" which everybody could tell was a fake was not scary enough, so they set up a second one.
enelysion | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 7:09 pm | #
Yeppers
MSM Pundit | 06.30.07 - 7:09 pm | #
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no SPLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWSHUNZZZZZZZZ
All that learning wasted. And her life, too.
That's fucking heartbreaking.
puppy and baby pictures too smalfish 
The whopping majority of bipolars work, and many of us succeed quite nicely.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
There is a probably excellent book (still not found time to read yet, alas) which notes that the defining qualities of a psychopath are what it takes to succeed in the higher corporate world. Combining Snakes in Suits with Mark Ames' brilliant and unparallelled explanation of workplace and school shootings, Going Postal, and one gets a very sobering picture of the best place in the world to live.
You know how much I hate the conspiracy stuff wrt 9/11, but I can totally see agitprop and psyops type stuff of this magnitude. And, of course, they would have to pay incompetent motherfuckers to be stooges, as opposed to the people who successfully pulled off 9/11.
NTodd, down with OCD | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 7:11 pm | #
Let me tell you about Bldg 7...
I saw Ratatouille with the younguns today.
Is that out today? No wonder Disney is pimping it so hard today. The wife and daughter are VERY interested in it. If I wasn't so weak and ill feeling, I might take them to it.
Talk about whining over small things--I'm about to do it.
Albertson's delivered my groceries. They fucked up only one item. I'd asked for a pint of Land O Lakes Heavy Whipping Cream. Instead, they brought me a SPRAY CAN of heavy whipping cream--with artificial sweetener.
This is wrong at every level.
OK. The UK is calling their terror condition "Midnight". Isn't 8:00 Am better? I mean Midnight in the UK could mean you're sleeping or had a few too many at the pub, right?
enelysion, bipolarism isn't remotely related to sociopathy.
Try to keep up.
I saw Ratatouille with the younguns today. It was delightful. My favorite Pixar effort yet.
trifecta
Did the kidlets like it?
In an attempt to become less evil, I slide Sallyh the Grey Goose.
What scares me to death is what In fact, I'd like to think that after a lifetime of generally working two and three jobs, I'd be able to take G/Son out for ice cream once in a while or out to lunch and a museum.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Museums should be free, ciciv organizations should help reimburse travele xpenses to their visits.
Sponsorships for such should even be requested... including promotional lunches.
civic*
Bo, but I LIKE that you're evil
Come sit with me, you handsome devil, and have your own Grey Goose
All that learning wasted. And her life, too.
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gosh i hope not...i hope she games the system...we just have to work to stop the madness
it's ok if it is a big enough pool.
My nieces and nephews have the same philosophy.
You know how much I hate the conspiracy stuff wrt 9/11, but I can totally see agitprop and psyops type stuff of this magnitude. And, of course, they would have to pay incompetent motherfuckers to be stooges, as opposed to the people who successfully pulled off 9/11.
I've been thinking alot about conspiracy theories and what they really mean. I think it's really all about the lack of information. If we all had the same information, we could all come to the some conclusions. But alas, government secrecy prevents us from knowing anything other than face value information.
If I put one-tenth of my time in study as I do here, trying to impress everyone with my wit, I could have been a practicing doctor right now.
A Doctor, of anything I wanted to be.
I'd have a ton of money and would have done some good with my life.
Damn this place and my damn ego!
I can't say it enough, "Love me."
All that learning wasted. And her life, too.
Greatest country in the world? What a joke.
All that learning wasted. And her life, too.
Echidne of the snakes
That's just obscene. It really is.
Behold a British equivalent of the Onion, and it's pretty funny.
I've been thinking alot about conspiracy theories and what they really mean. I think it's really all about the lack of information. If we all had the same information, we could all come to the some conclusions. But alas, government secrecy prevents us from knowing anything other than face value information.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted | 06.30.07 - 7:16 pm | #
Like that CIA info that was just released.
Mr. Murder, one of the great things about L.A. is that admission prices to museums, zoos, gardens and other institutions (even comedy clubs!) are incredibly affordable.
You can go to the Getty for free. You can take public transit and pay for that, or pack your car and pay $7 to park. We've done this with the kids. Always a fun day out.
NTodd's Massive Ego | 06.30.07 - 7:17 pm |
It's like that one episode of Seinfeld where George, you know, stops commenting at Eschaton.
i caught Philas migraine,and dont want to dunk my head...but took so many meds for ankle,i think my options are nil
The kidlets liked Ratatouille. The basic message was anti corporate, following your bliss.
The animation was stunning without being gaudy. They had fine scratches in the copper pots, individual hairs of the rats. The humans and the rats were stylized, but the rest of "the world" was realistically drawn with alot of precision.
i caught Philas migraine,and dont want to dunk my head...but took so many meds for ankle,i think my options are nil
sittenpretty,creamsickle
Damn. didn't know they were contagious.
And across half the country to boot....
It's like that one episode of Seinfeld where George, you know, stops commenting at Eschaton.
enelysion
And he gets incredibly smart.
All that learning wasted. And her life, too.
Echidne of the snakes That makes me wanna scratch something.
Frustrated by what I aspire to but can't attain, I mock out of jealousy.
Someone cheer me up.
This day sucked!
Took the dogs to the park, but the river was to full and fast. I slipped around in wet sand, trying to hold Eddy back.
The walk back was worse. Melissa wanted to go the long way. A fucking Mud pit.
Her shoes got pulled off in the sticky mud that she fell into.
Get home, all sweaty and pissed and where is the cell phone?! Melissa lost her's, now mine is gone!
Raced back thinking we left it on a picnic table, but nada, gone.
fuck
Damn. didn't know they were contagious.
And across half the country to boot....
flory | 06.30.07 - 7:21 pm | #
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i will have to do that 15 mins of hot water,and crazy ass hair for dayz
Mount Parnitha is in flames.
The term "conspiracy theory" kind of cracks me up. It's as if people don't get together and hatch secret plans all the time.
They do. That's why the word "conspiracy" came into being.
They do. That's why the word "conspiracy" came into being.
RICO is a fiction designed to distract the tinfoilhattery.
agave, ordinarily I would suggest the phone dissolved in the water, but you don't need that right now.
Someone cheer me up.
This day sucked!
Took the dogs to the park, but the river was to full and fast. I slipped around in wet sand, trying to hold Eddy back.
In the west there's a drought - and it's hotter and dryer than fuck in SoCal. that cheer you up?
Get home, all sweaty and pissed and where is the cell phone?! Melissa lost her's, now mine is gone!
Raced back thinking we left it on a picnic table, but nada, gone.
fuck
agave | 06.30.07 - 7:22 pm | #
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enjoy the peace..I HATE CELL PHONES ,im glad you and M didnget hurt...like TWIST A FREAKin ankle
GO HAVE A FEW COLD ONES
Get home, all sweaty and pissed and where is the cell phone?! Melissa lost her's, now mine is gone!
That sucks.
Ah, my Ego is back.
He forgets that I quit my rather high-paying job. But the Ego never really pays attention, does it?
NTodd, how's Sam the Bad Boy?
GO HAVE A FEW COLD ONES
sittenpretty,creamsickle
Always good advice!
Your ego's not very bright, NTodd.
The term "conspiracy theory" kind of cracks me up. It's as if people don't get together and hatch secret plans all the time.
In the colloquial, the notion is that it's "assuming there's a conspiracy no matter what the evidence suggests because by god there's a meta conspiracy to suppress the evidence." That's a mouthful.
Chuckle.
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He forgets that I quit my rather high-paying job. But the Ego never really pays attention, does it?
See, I always get in the last word.
I am as right and invincible as GWB.
Who here doubts me?
GO HAVE A FEW COLD ONES
sittenpretty,creamsickle
Always good advice!
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thank you mam
Of course, back in those days, researchers didn't get teh patents, their univerisity or sponsoring organization got them.
Which is the way it should be, IMHO.
flory | 06.30.07 - 6:36 pm | #
That's not really right. Stanford and Cambridge, for example, have traditionally left the researchers to own IP. And the game has changed - since the Universites themselves now have big IP licensing programs and try (and generally fail) to squeeze out every penny. Right now there is a huge patent fight going on in genetics over patents that U. Wisconsin owns and has been very aggressive about controlling.
NTodd, how's Sam the Bad Boy?
Good. To make amends he stayed inside all night and only started being annoying at about 5am. And he came home twice during the day to check in. Little shit.
Your ego's not very bright, NTodd.
You go to comment with the Ego you have, not the Ego you wish you had.
Fuck.
Sometimes I hate being on call all the time. I'm just not up to going anywhere, but the MIL's house is flooding and her AC is the cause. No one else to fix it.
Shit!
I know what the notion is, NTodd. That notion is used to keep people from asking any legitimate question of Republicans and Corporations.
Democrats? Hell, yeh, they conspire all the time. They're coming for our guns right now.
See, I always get in the last word.
Why can't I have the last word when it's the truth? I'd say after 15 years at the company has earned me a few indulgences.
Sorry for having been such a Gloomy Gus today. There are good things in this world, too. I saw my first humming bird ever today. It was sipping from every flower in the tall sage.
I think the conspiracy thing is an interesting sociological issue.
In Europe, most things are conspiracies. In America, it often is the lone whacko.
This does say alot me thinks about "American Individualism". We expect conspiracies because history teaches us back to Julius Caesar that they exist.
The american experience changes that paradigm.
NTodd, the least he could do is catch you a nice mouse or vole for dinner.
You go to comment with the Ego you have, not the Ego you wish you had.
NTodd, down with OCD
they hate me for my ego..
Fuck.
Sometimes I hate being on call all the time. I'm just not up to going anywhere, but the MIL's house is flooding and her AC is the cause. No one else to fix it.
Shit!
smalfish, tinfoil hatted | 06.30.07 - 7:28 pm | #
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throw cell phones in River
have some cold ones
David Bowie
Life on Mars
1973
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...related&
search=
Greatest country in the world? What a joke.
We have an "elite" that literally worships stupidity. If the USA remains on it's current course, we're going the resemble the USSR, circa 1991, at some point in the near future. That said, perhaps the world is better off without any super powers.
I know what the notion is, NTodd. That notion is used to keep people from asking any legitimate question of Republicans and Corporations.
Um, no, people use the same term to describe insanity like the Moon Hoax bullshit and the like. And it's why I hate the discussions about WTC7 and 9/11 being an inside job--those "theories" fail on multiple levels when you aren't completely divorced from reality.
I saw my first humming bird ever today. It was sipping from every flower in the tall sage.
Echidne of the snakes
Did you get a clean shot at it?
Greatest country in the world? What a joke.
Ain't that the truth?
GO HAVE A FEW COLD ONES
sittenpretty,creamsickle
Always good advice!
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore
I'm already there.
But sittenpretty. That was our only phone, and I have a car in the shop and was waiting for a call from them.
Oh,well
.
Did you get a clean shot at it?
I had no camera. Didn't try my tongue to catch it, though.
Um, no, people use the same term to describe insanity like the Moon Hoax bullshit and the like. And it's why I hate the discussions about WTC7 and 9/11 being an inside job--those "theories" fail on multiple levels when you aren't completely divorced from reality.
NTodd, down with OCD
*Gomez will keep mum about his Nazi Moon Base theory*
I am enjoying this Roswell conspiracy theory.
The military press officer says there really were aliens. He wrote a note only to be opened after his death.
had no camera. Didn't try my tongue to catch it, though.
Echidne of the snakes
Camera? I meant shotgun! This is Merka, dammit!
In the colloquial, the notion is that it's "assuming there's a conspiracy no matter what the evidence suggests because by god there's a meta conspiracy to suppress the evidence."
Well ya. But the 9/11 thing, for example, screams conspiracy because of all the inconsistencies and the thing just screams COVERUP. I'm of the idea that the administration was not behind it, but I just have SO many questions about the day. Does that make me conspiracy theorist? According to some, it does. The same can be said of many other events in history.
Maybe it's time to go watch "The Ruby in the Smoke," starring the fullsome-toothed Billie Piper.
From my favorite debunking site again:
The prevalence of conspiracy theories is astounding. Almost every historical event or observable phenomenon seems to have at least one conspiracy theory associated with it. Authors have proposed several reasons why human beings are so drawn to conspiracy theories.
To account for variations in observation. Anyone who studies history seriously knows that there is rarely a completely reliable, authoritative version of the facts surrounding any notable occurrence. The tidbits of inconsistency upon which most conspiracy theories rely occur constantly in connection with any activity we undertake. It's only when important activities are closely scrutinized that these details receive close attention. In other words, it's natural for people to believe that there should be no inconsistency in legitimate activities. So if we observe an inconsistency, we take that alone as evidence that the intuitive explanation must be flawed and we should search for a more complicated answer.
As entertainment. Real life is boring. We constantly seek to embellish it, whether formally through media such as motion pictures or fictional literature, or informally through the exaggeration of our personal experiences. It's more exciting to believe that strange lights in the sky are visiting aliens and not an airliner's landing lights. As astounding as the moon landings were, it's even more astounding to suppose that the entire thing was falsified.
To seem intelligent. Conspiracy theories are often much more elaborate than what's commonly believed about something. And they usually require the listener to expand his understanding to accept the possibility of a conspiracy. Those who casually examine photographs of the lunar landings are impressed when they are led to discover discrepancies. This inflates the ego and gives one the impression that he is smarter than the dozens who look at the same photographs and see nothing special.
To be "on the inside." The conspiracist fancies himself to be elite, to be privy to secret information that few others have.
To express distrust for authority. Americans especially take delight in distrusting authority, particularly governments.
Yes, there are real conspiracies. Yet not everything bad is a conspiracy.
In America, it often is the lone whacko.
Uhh, yeah, the lone whacko who just happens to have been deeply involved with numerous other people that somehow manage to be forgotten. John Wilkes Booth for example was hardly alone in practice or in sentiment. And our country was actually founded by a successful network of conspiracies that crested a wave of other kinds of conspiracies, successfully rejecting those conspiracies such as the rebellion of USA Cpn Daniel Shays which smacked of unconspiratorial populism, or the more common ones in the early 19th century to help France or Spain grab land.
The whole fucking world hates Republicans. These events only underscore Republican failures.
Crap! Standby for in-coming troll splooge.
That was our only phone, and I have a car in the shop and was waiting for a call from them.
That really does suck. Do you have any neigh