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I b'lieve you are.
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I guess its not too hard to do at 5 in the morning eh?
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when even the wee folks can play.
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And, to be clear (from below): Fred Thompson should be made fun of at any and all occasions. Anything else would be beneath him.
That "indolent cracker hound dog".
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He still should make fun of Fred Thompson.
Because, a washed up actor with cancer is the front runner of the republican party nominnation.
It says volumes about the party.
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It seems to be an unending horror what they are doing to the troops. I read of at least a hundred suicides and I never believe anything I read that reports the numbers of anything negative.
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I got news for you ChickenLittle - MOST days in uniform were pretty much hell - let alone in a combat situation.
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Hi, Barndog, agreed, what the GoPervs are putting out front is giggle territory.
What they've done to deserve the contempt they're held in is not.
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Ruth - I got to think that, any party that has the audacity to put a sick man at the front - deserves to lose.
I have nothing against sick people, being a sick person myself. But, this little 'reality' bug keeps telling me that, nobody in their right mind would vote for a dead man walking.
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Cheney is a great example of sickness' making a person unfit for high office.
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I've been loving the videotape of Cheney saying we shouldn't invade Iraq.
That shit is priceless.
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True, Barndog. I was referring mostly to the repeated unending tours. I am unaware of them doing this during Nam?
As far as sick people for candidates, I am under the impression that these candidates are all sick, if ya know what I mean. What a crew of misfits!! Mitter apparently has spent nine million dollars of his own to make himself look good and all I see when I look at him is dog poop oozing down the rear window.
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'night babaD.
Cheney before the drugs ruined the rest of his brain, on film.
And the 'looked into his eyes and saw his soul' theme really great in view of Putin's resumption of nuclear bombers' flights into range of the U.S.
at http://www.truthdig.com/eartothe...bers_fly_again/
the war criminals really think they can keep lying and keep winning. Especially since they don't know anything else.
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CL, in the Vietnam war, there was a draft to keep soldiers coming.
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Thanks, Chimpy, for restarting the arms race and allowing Russia to carry nukes in their planes.
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How well I remember the draft and the "avoid the draft" meetings I went to in the LA area and the friends and relatives who never came back and the ones who did with all the scars, mental and physical. I lived in between El Toro and Pendleton in the sixties.
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Because, a washed up actor with cancer is the front runner of the republican party nominnation.
It says volumes about the party.
Barndog, Farmed Out | 08.18.07 - 5:47 am
Well the Republicans are looking for an actor to put up front given the amount of lying through their teeth required for the position.
Somewhere in the smoke filled backroom you can hear a man screaming, I told you 8 years ago to "run the actor's chimp", not "run Chimpy".
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Morning peeps.
And the hits just keep on coming.
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has spent nine million dollars of his own to make himself look good and all I see when I look at him is dog poop oozing down the rear window.
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And his 5 sons doing hard time with a tour of Iowa in an RV.
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I've been approached by a local peace team, to spend time in local high schools - telling young men and women about the lies military recruiters tell them.
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Loving the Iraqi gov't doing its job - now they want to execute Hussein's daughter. The charges? Supporting terroristic activities. Just like the Padillo and Holy Land Foundation trials.
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Barndog, that's a good plan. After all, being an Eschatonian, your phones adn stuff are already NSA materials.
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ql, since you mentioned DE humidity yesterday - humidity in TX right now is about 100%, and Dean is heading toward Houston. Drip, drip.
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Morning, all.
How fares the Republic?
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Loving the Iraqi gov't doing its job
Ruth | Homepage | 08.18.07 - 6:23 am
Then don't go near the WaPo this morning and the column from Allawi. *gag*
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"Loving the Iraqi gov't doing its job - now they want to execute Hussein's daughter."
They will love this one. Executing a woman is the greatest.
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Too late, Tom, I even already left my comment on it, to the effect that the pages of WaPo are not exactly the place to present his project, if it's in any way serious. Tomorrow, Chalabi presents the Chosen Way for Iraq - in the Houston Chronicle?
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Executing his daughter?
Oh my god...
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Too late, Tom, I even already left my comment on it, to the effect that the pages of WaPo are not exactly the place to present his project, if it's in any way serious. Tomorrow, Chalabi presents the Chosen Way for Iraq - in the Houston Chronicle?
Ruth | Homepage | 08.18.07 - 6:32 am
Well after reading the column, it clearly isn't serious, so the WaPo is the perfect place for it.
Would it cause an international incident if Allawi were declared wanker of the day?
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BD - Sounds like a good idea. With a little prep and a handout you may just save some kid's life.
We continue to do the vigil thing/ I'm not sure we're doing any good with it, but it does remind people of what is going on in their name.
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Totally OT, but --
Saw "The Last Legion" yesterday.
Swear to god, it's wonderful.
It's like the greatest episode never filmed of "Xena, Warrior Princess." Except with a really smart script, incredibly cool FX, great acting -- who knew Colin Firth was an action hero, ditto Ben Kingsley -- and a wonderful sort of twist ending.
What a pleasant surprise...
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steve, in a culture where dragging your enemies in the street is self-expression, what's new? Stoning pro'ly is the method of choice.
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Of course, our gov't prosecuting our detainees for terrorism for being muslim before 911 isn't the heights of civilization.
At the homepage, I have been following the persecution of the Holy Land Foundation, fyi.
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They said the large contingent of Special Operations forces now in Iraq would continue missions to capture and kill terrorist and insurgent leaders, and to disrupt their networks.
huh, and all those dozens of bodies that turn up daily with bullet holes in their heads, killers unknown.....nah.
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but, linda, that's legitimate militia activity. And it's down now, since there aren't that many of those other guys left to kill.
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They said the large contingent of Special Operations forces now in Iraq would continue missions to capture and kill terrorist and insurgent leaders, and to disrupt their networks.
What I'm curious about is how we're doing this when apparently literally nobody in the occupying forces speaks the language.
Practically nobody in the CIA does either, from what I've heard.
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Steve Clemons as centrist friend of Israel going on the attack against Ledeen and Cheney.
:::Michael Ledeen -- who once told me that he only supported the Iraq War because it provided momentum and pre-positioning of American military forces to then go after Iran:::
Not that I agree with Clemons that Viceroy Khalilzad or the incompetent Ms Rice are doing important diplomatic work. Just providing a good show to sham people in to accepting Ledeen and Cheney when the time comes.
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steve - that's what I don't get either. How do we know who is an insurgent and who is a dad going out to buy milk for his kid?
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Back in a bit...
Fritz Lang's "Fury" is on TCM...
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What I'm curious about is how we're doing this when apparently literally nobody in the occupying forces speaks the language.
Practically nobody in the CIA does either, from what I've heard.
steve simels | Homepage | 08.18.07 - 6:54 am
Not a lot of 'em spoke Vietnamese either, but the Phoenix program was popular with this sort of crowd.
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Funny how the U.S. choosing a favored leader is enuff to make him into a stooge - must be our history coming back at us.
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G'morning, everyone.
What's the latest?
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Tom, my bro was a consultant to the S.Vtnmese gov't with Booz Allen during the war, they concluded the S.Vtnms couldn't run their country since they didn't take well to Western bus. methods. I'm serious. (Maybe should write for WaPo.)
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What I'm curious about is how we're doing this when apparently literally nobody in the occupying forces speaks the language.
oh, i'm sure it's intel they've gathered from those they've captured previously. pro'bly show photos of suspects or neighborhoods/homes. one shake of the head -- sunni; two shakes of the head -- shi'a ...
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oh, i'm sure it's intel they've gathered from those they've captured previously. pro'bly show photos of suspects or neighborhoods/homes. one shake of the head -- sunni; two shakes of the head -- shi'a ...
linda | 08.18.07 - 7:04 am
Though the wikipedia entry on the Phoenix program buries a lot of the criticism and the true nature of what the program became, it was often a way for collaborators to rain retribution on their personal enemies rather than an effective counter-insurgency tool.
And no real way for the Merkins to follow up or provide accountability due to the lack of language skills.
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Tom, my understanding is that Gitmo detainees are also for the most part turned over for money by our 'allies' and 'friendlies' - and now are too dangerous to let out. Language skills? how about common sense?
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Getting some b'fast - brb.
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So is Houston gonna be evacuated?
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So it is President Odierno, now?
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and now are too dangerous to let out. Language skills? how about common sense?
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Common sense??? That might have gotten in the way of shock and awe which should lead to Israel bombing Hizb'allah to the stone age and bomb bomb bomb iran.
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Interesting how Bob Murray has vanished since the rescue-miners got blown into by rubble and 3 of them died, isn't it?
And MSHA head Stickler looks like as brilliant a Bush appointment as Brownie was for FEMA!
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Good morning fashionable people.
521 days left.
That's a lot of time to do a lot of damage, yet.
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And CNBC "International Superstar" Erin Burnett is now pushing a "safe toys cost more, so prices will go up at Wal*Mart" line. Duh, Erin.
Kind of sad the new BMW 5-series got a "marginal"
safety rating from the Insurance Institute while a Kia was in the top 3.
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That's a lot of time to do a lot of damage, yet.
Sad, but true.
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I'm loving the cable-news constructed "Is Dumbya a lame duck, really?" faux controversy.
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And CNBC "International Superstar" Erin Burnett is now pushing a "safe toys cost more, so prices will go up at Wal*Mart" line. Duh, Erin.
Empty egg cartons, plastic food containers, and wooden spoons: Still more fun for toddlers than any shiny plastic toy from Mattel.
Believe me.
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Once again, stay away from metal kitchen utensils at Dollar Stores. Iffy alloys are a BAD thing.
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That might have gotten in the way of shock and awe which should lead to Israel bombing Hizb'allah to the stone age and bomb bomb bomb iran.
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Oh, Lordy.
Those Perfidious Jews.
Some people just don't get it....
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Hizbullah already lives in The Stone Age, pretty much, except for their ordnance.
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Oh, Lordy.
Those Perfidious Jews.
Some people just don't get it....
steve simels | Homepage | 08.18.07 - 7:29 am
HuH? Did I say perfidious Jews???
Nah, but every neo-con has been pushing the attacks on Iran and Syria since before shock and awe... and if they were to be denied an attack on Iran and Syria, they could at the least watch their Israeli former-Likud friends drop cluster bombs and fire rockets on Hizb'allah and Chinese manned UN observation posts.
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ql, hope that evacuating Houston was said with a snort. Last time, people were stranded running out of gas (gas stations, too) the length of the state. Suspect the state will announce that anyone who's still on the coast on Sunday should batten down.
steve, appreciate it if you'd take a look at the homepage, tell me what you think of the Israeli secret agents being allowed not to identify themselves to testify against Muslims charity.? At 'War Criminals Declare Terrorism Retroactive.'
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On Early Tweety a "roundtable" featuring
Melanie Morgan and Naomi Wolf (whom Morgan sarcastically said "will look great in a burqa") ended abruptly when the signal from Morgan's camera was shut off. By the 7pm EDT show, the glitch was smoothly edited away.
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Melanie Morgan may well be the most repellant
conservative harridan I've ever seen -- and that's saying something.
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plantsman, that's hilarious, especially after CSpan had to apologize after M.Morgan went after the Iraqi veteran she appeared with for his anti-Merkin ways.
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Tom, Ruth:
I'm not defending Israel.
I'm saying you guys are a little too unaware of the implications of your rhetoric.
Sorry.
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Apparently Hurricane Dean is strengthening faster than originally forecast -- it's already reached category 4 and is expected to reach cat 5 by the time it reaches the Yucatan.
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KeithO also had Morgan as "Worst Person in the World" last night for her CNBC/VoteVets debacle.
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"Come Back to Jamaica....."
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Toonscribe, yes, and gasoline prices are pro'ly going to jump shortly. Fill up at your earliest convenience.
steve, I'm more than rhetorical about standards of justice such as an accused's right to know who his accuser is being denied, I'm hysterical.
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Dean was HUGE in the last representation I saw, I'm expecting Katrina-sized horror in the Yucatan.
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Empty egg cartons, plastic food containers, and wooden spoons: Still more fun for toddlers than any shiny plastic toy from Mattel.
Believe me.
Shaw Kenawe
i guess i'm just an old fart, but i gotta say i really am taken aback by the room/yardfulls of plastic shit that kids accumulate these days. is it really that necessary. i'm with you, give them some pots and pans and let em bang away.
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"Come Back to Jamaica....."
Jamaica's about to get whacked big time by Dean.
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Evening news talking about the latest coal mine accident says 1800 miners have died in the first half of the year on the mainland.
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Jason Mattera, Young America's Founcation spokesman they say, on WaJournal, getting shrill about the Dems 'not even mentioning' Islamofascist radicals in their debates. Evidently this is the standard for acceptable behavior.
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IIRC, The Yucatan has an uniquely perilous fresh-water supply of filled limestone-lined pools but almost no natural rivers.
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steve, I'm more than rhetorical about standards of justice such as an accused's right to know who his accuser is being denied, I'm hysterical.
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Like I said, I'm not defending Israel.
I'm saying you need to be a little more careful about how you phrase your criticism.
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Okay, one more beat on the dead horse, steve, what do you call an Israeli secret agent then?
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It's very difficult to criticize Jewish people no matter how vile their ideas and/or behaviors without insulting some sensibilities. Most of the well-known US neo-cons are Jewish, but one "isn't
supposed to say so" somehow.
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Jamaica's about to get whacked big time by Dean.
Toonscribe
the local nyc station has been doing stories all morning of vacationing nyrs leaving. they are saying that questions to hotel/resort people re what preparations they had for hurricanes were met with silence.
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Like I said, I'm not defending Israel.
I'm saying you need to be a little more careful about how you phrase your criticism.
steve simels | Homepage | 08.18.07 - 7:44 am
see my link to Steve Clemons above.
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plantsman, I look at Dean's path and think about all those divers enjoying all those fantastic fish in Belize - and all those corals not doing so well already - and shudder.
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IIRC, The Yucatan has an uniquely perilous fresh-water supply of filled limestone-lined pools but almost no natural rivers.
I think the pools are actually part of the Yucatan's underground river system, where the roofs of the caves the rivers run through have collapsed.
CNN was talking about some resorts have just reopened from the last time the Yucatan got hit by a big storm about 5 years ago. They can kiss that beachfront property goodbye.
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what do you call an Israeli secret agent then?
Ruth | Homepage | 08.18.07 - 7:47 am
Someone willing to steal the identity of disabled children in New Zealand in an attempt to get a Kiwi passport.
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Okay, one more beat on the dead horse, steve, what do you call an Israeli secret agent then?
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What do you call somebody who's tone deaf to the implications of their rhetoric?
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I think we can all agree that coal-mining is dirty, dangerous business. So much for the "200-year supply" happy talk.
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It's late August and the hurricane season is already underway with what seems to be a mega-storm.
I sure hope Dean isn't a harbinger of things to come, but methinks it is.
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Morning
DWD - Ready to Revolt |
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Some graphs I saw showed hurricane seasons typically proceeding as this one is -- but the storms have never before reached such intensity so quickly.
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DWD:
Morning right back at ya.
What are you doing up this early?
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yesterday we got a bit of the backlash from Erin, tomorrow we're looking for the beginnings of Dean. It's not your usual frying summer here in N.TX.
I see bananas as an agricultural industry were wiped out in Martinique.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stori.../18/
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What do you call somebody who's tone deaf to the implications of their rhetoric?
I'd say that trait very much cuts both ways.
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Some asshole Young Rethuglican just informed the world on CSPAN that all of the countries with socialized medicine are suffering terribly. Some folks should never be allowed out of their egg.
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What do you call somebody who's tone deaf to the implications of their rhetoric?
steve simels | Homepage | 08.18.07 - 7:51 am
What? That folks are going to twist my rhetoric and claim that I'm racist for being critical of the state of Israel under Likud leadership?
It's a well paid racket in the US that tries to stifle criticism and enforce self-censorship of views critical of Likudism.
Might as well call me anti-American for hating on Dumbya and his war in Iraq. Another well paid racket in the US designed to stifle criticism and enforce self-censorship.
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i guess i'm just an old fart, but i gotta say i really am taken aback by the room/yardfulls of plastic shit that kids accumulate these days. is it really that necessary. i'm with you, give them some pots and pans and let em bang away.
linda
Some friends with a 14 month old and a 2 year old came to visit my humble apartment, which had no toys for kiddies. I put some plain tap water in a small plastic container, got some plain dark colored cocktail napkins, a clean cutting board and two pastry brushes. I let the kids dip the brushes in the plain water and "paint" on the paper. They loved it, and every time after they visited me, they gestured to the area where I kept the the "toys" so they could play "painting" again.
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Jeff Jacoby, the resident fascist at the Boston Globe, wrote a column the other day decrying the assault on those who deny global warming exists.
It seems that Jeff the jerk, can find anecdotes where people really go off on these fossil fuel champions, and he claims that it's so unfair.
Of course Gooper lies and smears of anyone who disagrees with their predatory ideology, never seem to arouse any similar outrage in the fucking fascist.
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I'd say that trait very much cuts both ways.
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I'd agree, except around here it's pretty one-sided.
And I say that more in sorrow than in anger...
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I would call me a thoughtful commenter/poster. And still not seeing why 'Israeli secret agent', which is the description I have read in the articles I cite, has implications or rheric of some sort.
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Steve,
Company again. Just up drinking coffee and drifting. (Mostly drifting I think)
DWD - Ready to Revolt |
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I think I'm back.
Barndog, Farmed Out |
08.18.07 - 7:58 am | #
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I would call me a thoughtful commenter/poster. And still not seeing why 'Israeli secret agent', which is the description I have read in the articles I cite, has implications or rheric of some sort.
Ruth | Homepage | 08.18.07 - 7:57 am | #
Get back to me when you're equally outraged by something a Palestinian has done.
steve simels |
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08.18.07 - 7:59 am | #
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Attacks on the global warming deniers! what is this world coming to ... oh, right.
Ruth |
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08.18.07 - 8:00 am | #
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Another of Melanie Morgan's gems last night went pretty much like this,
"Chris, I don't care if Berto Gonzales is a lying thug who strong-arms defenseless sick people in ICU's and lies to Congress! That's a stupid Democrat gotcha game! So what if the nation's top law enforcement official lies through his teeth?!?"
Laying out Tom's thought rather nicely.
plantsman, areligious |
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I think most neocons are non Jews.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index...servatives/
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It seems like Fred Thompson, aka "the cadaver," has finally risen from his coffin and is about to make a zombie run for the Gooper nomination.
The Gooper candidates are truly a sick, sorry and scarey collection of egomaniacs and con-artists, as usual.
Rudy |
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08.18.07 - 8:01 am | #
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We are tie dying at the Barndog's today.
Barndog, Farmed Out |
08.18.07 - 8:01 am | #
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People around here feel freer criticizing neocons and Israel than many Americans do, I'd agree.
I'd aver it's more reflective of reality than malicious, I could be wrong about that, but I don't think so.
plantsman, areligious |
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Ya know, if we could get a bunch of white shirts with "dirty fucking hippy" screen printed on them, I bet someone would tie dye them...
Barndog, Farmed Out |
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Chicken little, that is a pattern GoPerv, there is simply no truth allowed when they wanna attack the Other Guys.
Socialized medicine is the antithesis to none for the poor.
steve, that's totally wrongheaded. You haven't seen me justifying anyone's atrocities. Not Palestinian, not TYC youth abusers, not Dem crooks, anyone. I even fuss at my own kids./
"Lookgood in a burka' is the new talking point - here on WaJournal, too.
Ruth |
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08.18.07 - 8:04 am | #
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plantsman - I don't think there is anything malicious about criticizing neocons and Israel here.
Not at all.
Barndog, Farmed Out |
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I don't want to go into the "anti-semitism" thicket just now. What I will say is that Jews are a small minority of the American population, well-represented in the ranks of prominent neo-cons.
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People around here feel freer criticizing neocons and Israel than many Americans do, I'd agree.
I'd aver it's more reflective of reality than malicious, I could be wrong about that, but I don't think so.
plantsman, areligious | 08.18.07 - 8:02 am | #
I'm not accusing anybody here of anti-semitism.
What I'm saying is that there are some people here, and on the left generally, who for whatever reason some to take a little too much glee in criticizing Israel.
If your rhetoric sounds like Pat Buchanan you really need to have it looked at.
steve simels |
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I just got around to reading the Moyers interview with Bob Kerrey. Moyers is persistent in asking "So, what do we do?" and Kerrey has nothing but wishes.
I like Moyers's getting the tense right:
BILL MOYERS: They didn't quote that piece in THE WALL STREET JOURNAL and the blogs all weekend because you're the President of the New School.
BOB KERREY: No, I understand.
BILL MOYERS: They quoted you because you were a Democrat--
Were, indeed.
Newton Minnow |
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Some clown on Wash. Journo just stated that he was in the Army for forty years and was recovering from an IED attack. Doesn't sound right to me. Any thoughts, Barndog?
Ralphie-Myrmidon |
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When I look at that pic of Fred Thompson below,
I almost hear the ghost of Elvis wailing:
"Uh-oh-oh, I'm all used up!"
plantsman, areligious |
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that there are some people here, and on the left generally, who for whatever reason some to take a little too much glee in criticizing Israel.
In the same manner as the repubs criticize anyone on the left for not pandering,to the accepted repuke talking-points.
Barndog, Farmed Out |
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During the recent Israeli/Lebanon war where Hezbollah instigated it by capturing some Israeli soldiers, I blamed both parties (Israel and Hezbollah) for the over-reactions that followed.
Since I didn't condemn Israel alone, which many thought had far more power than Hezbollah, I was severely criticized here.
I don't like Israel's militaristic bent but surrounded by Hamas, Hezbollah and others who wish it's destruction, I can understand the appeal.
Rudy |
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"I don't want to go into the "anti-semitism" thicket just now. What I will say is that Jews are a small minority of the American population, well-represented in the ranks of prominent neo-cons."
You just did.
So are the Irish.
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Doesn't sound right to me
Me either. There are age-restrictions to serving that long in the military.
Barndog, Farmed Out |
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"What I will say is that Jews are a small minority of the American population, well-represented in the ranks of prominent neo-cons."
The same is true as in their representation in the ACLU.
Cass |
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you'd think the lies and bullshit would be gold for teh democratic candidates...but these are OUR dems, so i don't expect much
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You just did.
So are the Irish.
Cass | 08.18.07 - 8:08 am | #
Yup.
steve simels |
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CSpan callers often seem to make up the kind of caller i.d. that they think will make their point, which usually indicates to me that they're sad about their actual i.d.'s.
What's wrong with this concept: rechargeable lantern, for power outages. Yep, listening to Houston braces for Dean reports.
Ruth |
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You just did. Please point out the non-factual, offensive portion of what I said, and counter it with numerical evidence to the contrary.
To your ears, maybe. I'm Scots-Irish, mostly, and unaffected by the rock you just tried to throw.
plantsman, areligious |
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LL Bean has such lanterns available - not very bright, as I recall.
plantsman, areligious |
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Kerrey:
it appears to be a capitulation. It's not a capitulation. They were-- the-- the Democrats were faced with this. The President vetoes the supplemental that calls for timetables. And what do they do? Send him another bill that he vetoes? That supplemental funds the troops. So at some point, you either just keep sending him bills that he vetoes and score points with your base, or you do the right thing. And I think they did the right thing by sending the President a bill that he will sign. They made their point, that they would prefer to have timetables.
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So Bush holds his breath until he turns blue and the Dems do the "right thing" by giving him what he wants?
And that's not capitulation?
How did we get dems like this?
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As an American of Italian extraction may I say I'm proud of the contributions we have made to America, but deplore and denounce Scalia and Alito.
They're Mussolini retreads.
Rudy |
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08.18.07 - 8:13 am | #
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I picked a good day to lurk.
ql-was in NY |
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08.18.07 - 8:13 am | #
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what do you call an Israeli secret agent then?
Is this an old Lenny Bruce routine?
dave™© |
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Looks like Dean is going to be Cozumel's next Rita. Whoever repaired after Rita is pro'ly thinking they shoulda waited.
Ruth |
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08.18.07 - 8:14 am | #
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What I'm saying is that there are some people here, and on the left generally, who for whatever reason some to take a little too much glee in criticizing Israel.
If your rhetoric sounds like Pat Buchanan you really need to have it looked at.
steve simels | Homepage | 08.18.07 - 8:05 am
Do I think Pat Buchanan is going to criticise Israel for dropping cluster bombs on Hezbollah? Nah.
Do I think Pat Buchanan will criticize Israel for building walls designed to isolate and disempower Palestinians? Nah.
Do I think Pat Buchanan will criticize Israel for turning Gaza in to a mega sized prison camp with no electricity and patrolled by IDF helicopter gun ships? Nah.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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08.18.07 - 8:14 am | #
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there are some people here, and on the left generally, who for whatever reason some to take a little too much glee in criticizing Israel.
It takes two to tango, man.
The Israeli government makes it SOOOOO easy...
dave™© |
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What's wrong with this concept: rechargeable lantern, for power outages.
sharper image and others have them: LED lights and dynamo charger you crank...they also have emergency radios that work on same concept
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And that's not capitulation?
How did we get dems like this?
Newton Minnow | 08.18.07 - 8:13 am | #
And why do we keep voting for them?
I've said this a million times, but --
these are the same Dems who when faced with the Bushies stealing the 2000 election in plain sight, thus revealing themselves to be nothing more than thugs without a shred of honor, decided that the appropriate reaction was "Well, maybe we can work with these guys in good faith."
I'm sorry, but the Democrats are hopless and I see no sign that even if they win big in 08 they will ever do the right thing.
steve simels |
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MSNBC probably can't rid itself of Pat Buchanan and Tucker Carlson. It would then be accused of shifting "left," especially if they hired intelligent people to replace those two goonie fascists.
They should dump both but I'd settle for one.
Rudy |
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Trademark Dave, if you have the punchline ready, I'm happy to hear it. (Israeli secret agents were allowed to testify in TX trial of Holy Land Foundation for 'funding terrorism' without identifying themselves, which is unprecedented. I really wanna know how just saying 'Israeli secret agents' is irresponsible rhetoric.
Ruth |
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Why I watch Melanie Morgan (which is not something I seek out, typically) I am always left wondering who her "constituency" is. She's so off-putting to me, I can't imagine her helping any side.
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As an American of Italian extraction may I say I'm proud of the contributions we have made to America, but deplore and denounce Scalia and Alito.
They're Mussolini retreads.
Rudy
I second you, and may I add Rudy! to that denounciation?
Not you, of course. You're OUR Rudy.
I have observed that there tends to be a fascist streak in some Italians.
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Sheesh! "When", not "why".
plantsman, areligious |
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Do I think Pat Buchanan is going to criticise Israel for dropping cluster bombs on Hezbollah? Nah.
Do I think Pat Buchanan will criticize Israel for building walls designed to isolate and disempower Palestinians? Nah.
Do I think Pat Buchanan will criticize Israel for turning Gaza in to a mega sized prison camp with no electricity and patrolled by IDF helicopter gun ships? Nah.
Tom - 大肚腩 | Homepage | 08.18.07 - 8:14 am | #
I'm sorry man, but if you can't hear the implications of what you're saying, you really need to have it looked at.
That's classic Perfidious Jews shit....
steve simels |
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I have observed that there tends to be a fascist streak in some Italians.
Only the ones who have a last name ending with the letter I.
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sheets
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I have observed that there tends to be a fascist streak in some Italians.
Shaw Kenawe
...and there are some of us who are quite lefty...my uncle in italy is a member of teh communists, in the early 80's he was denied entry to teh US
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I have observed that there tends to be a fascist streak in the upper classes and their hanger ons, the rethugs.
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I have observed that there tends to be a fascist streak in some Italians.
That may be because as children we had to listen to our fathers and grandfathers yelling "they should line 'em all up and shoot 'em!" from behind their newspapers.
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The Democrats have been severely criticized in the MSM and in the blogosphere for their obsequiousness in the face of the tinpot despot, Bushboy, and justifiably so.
I keep thinking that the disarray will go away with the selection of a strong candidate for the presidency, but the reality is that the Democratic Party is not nearly as monolithic as the Goopers and therein lies the source of it's multiple personality disorder.
Rudy |
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That's classic Perfidious Jews shit....
So the state of Israel gets a free pass?
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Melamine Morgan's constituency:
http://www.megstoybox.com/items/...ms/simp/
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