Bad link, methinks...
Scooter |
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06.07.03 - 9:02 am | #
I think it deals with the military officer commending the troops on defeating the northern(?) heathens and he didn't want any catcalls during W's visit.
ABH |
06.07.03 - 9:24 am | #
Here's the Roger Ailes item, in case the link still doesn't work:
Crusade Accomplished
Frank's senior enlisted man, Sgt. Major Dwight Brown told the troops before Bush's appearance, "I don't want any damn catcalls from the crowd. We have the president of the United States coming to tell us what a great job we did destroying those heathen up in northern Iraq." -- Washington Post, June 5
Andrew |
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06.07.03 - 9:43 am | #
anyone doing catcalls would have been beater for being a democrat. unbelievable the stupidity of those soldiers. Like little girls at a Beatles concert
pansypoo |
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06.07.03 - 11:53 am | #
They're supposed to just lie back and enjoy it when they're getting raped by their plutocrat masters, pansypoo.
Gary Frazier |
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06.07.03 - 12:09 pm | #
I think it is significant that this order needed to be given at all. Could it be that the men and women on the front lines have less than total love and devotion to the Dear Leader? Naw, impossible.
Tactitus |
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06.07.03 - 12:31 pm | #
I have a stepson in the Marines and his love has diminished tremendously. I was surprised by a few of his comments during our last phone conversation.
He's been a die hard Bush supporter since day one and has more than a streak of fascism in his soul (he thinks it's appropriate that those sailors voted for Bush after election day because the military, afterall, knows what's best for this country). Anyway, he started complaining about how stupid Bush was and how incoherent his policies. Then he went on to explain that the US is the new Rome and we should be able to do whatever we want in the world 'cause who's gonna stop us? Lordie. One step forward, two steps back. At least he's now a fascist that doesn't like Bush.
Hahahah, wouldn't that be funny if Bush lost the fascist vote?
Lorelynn |
06.07.03 - 1:04 pm | #
I wonder if it ever occurs to Sgt. Maj. Brown that there may be a link between his attitude ("those heathen up in northern Iraq"), the attitude of Iraqis ("A call to Muslims... Please don't cooperate with the nonbeliever coalition troops or help them in any way."), and the steady trickle of fellow American soldiers being killed or wounded by rocket-propelled grenades?
Swopa |
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06.07.03 - 2:02 pm | #
Hey elvis56, I am curious, truly curious, and meaning no disrespect.
How can you say you stole the story from roger? It's the wapo's story isn't it?
I ask because there appear to be so many that think of bloggers as first and even second person reporters, when the vast majority seem to be, at best, free-lance editors, not reporting, but pointing to what they consider the best.
I think that's a very valuable role. But I don't think of that as reporting, or of that process as having the ability to change the ownership of a story.
jerry |
06.07.03 - 3:57 pm | #
Where did this incident take place? On the aircraft carrier?
Streaker |
06.07.03 - 4:19 pm | #
Streaker it was at the HQ in Qatar
"The president, however, showed a new caution in his language about Iraq's chemical and biological weapons when he spoke to hundreds of camouflage-clad troops this morning at the forward headquarters of the United States Central Command, where Gen. Tommy Franks ran the war. He omitted his previous claim that such weapons will be found, although his aides still predict they will be."
HM, "omitted his previous claim".
Does anyone but me think Bush will have a problem selling the backup story "liberating a grateful Iraqi people" when the Shias are rejecting our rule and the Sunnis are killing an average one GI a day with RPGs?
Bruce Webb |
06.07.03 - 4:49 pm | #
HM, "omitted his previous claim".
The London Times had Bush's "omission" in its article also:
The President said: "We're on the look. We'll reveal the truth," without promising that weapons would be found. "But one thing is certain: no terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime because the Iraqi regime is no more," he said.
Interesting that news sources chose to include that little detail.
pie |
06.07.03 - 5:40 pm | #
So the president has spoken. Should I feel safer now? As safe as I felt before they changed the color from orange to yellow? Those terrorists like to attack when least expected, you know. Remember 9/11?
mikeinpr |
06.07.03 - 6:07 pm | #
I suggest that the 33% need to be deported to Cuba, Saudi Arabia, or North Korea, so they can experience living in a dictatorship first hand.
Gary Frazier |
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06.07.03 - 7:10 pm | #
After all, all three of those countries offer you a preview of the paradise for plutocrats that the Bush Crime Family intends to impose on this country.
Gary Frazier |
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06.07.03 - 7:11 pm | #
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RF |
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06.07.03 - 7:15 pm | #
Lorelynn, does the military just attract 'em (fascists) or create 'em? I think our military has reached the point where, if one wishes to rise in the ranks, he/she had better learn to parrot the right-wing politics of exalted leaders. Is Wesley Clark the only one to escape the military's upper echelon without first receiving a lobotomy?
Cornbread |
06.07.03 - 7:46 pm | #
According to the Pew Institute's latest Global Attitudes Survey, 33% of Americans think the country would be better off under a dictatorship.
Why not? Bush already stated that governing would be a lot easier if we were a dictatorship and there seems to be a third of the population that believes whatever the RNC says, no matter how crazy. This only goes to follow.
Of course it takes some of the sting out of calling them fascists when so many people respond, "And damn proud of it!"
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06.07.03 - 9:14 pm | #
Is Wesley Clark the only one to escape the military's upper echelon without first receiving a lobotomy?
Tommy Franks did give Rumsfeld the finger to both governor of Iraq and Chief of the Army after Thomas White resigned and is now resigning himself. Actually, from many reports, a lot of the upper echelon hate the Bush administration, or at least the Defense Department section of his Cabinet.
Young Freud |
06.08.03 - 12:51 am | #
Is Wesley Clark the only one to escape the military's upper echelon without first receiving a lobotomy?
Anothny Zinni, the Centcom commander before Franks, is a reasonably good guy. this is from a Buffalo News story back in April (but the page is gone):
America may be on the threshold of military victory in Iraq, but that hasn't changed feelings against the war.
"This is in fact the wrong war at the wrong time," the retired Marine general said Thursday night at Canisius College. Zinni was head of Central Command until Gen. Tommy Franks took over nearly three years ago.
We have to look for solutions that can come about without military action," Zinni said during the William H. Fitzpatrick Lecture at Canisius. "We're applying military action to places where it isn't necessary. I don't think the American people will stand for a series of wars like this."
Billmon |
06.08.03 - 1:48 am | #
Patriotboy, I hadn't realized that Adm. Carroll had died. I hope you're wrong though. We can use many more intelligent, moral, ethical leaders.
jerry |
06.08.03 - 1:53 am | #
Neither. It enables fascists.
Lorelynn |
06.08.03 - 4:34 am | #
Folks, that's how sergeant-majors talk. This is a long-service Infantry NCO trying to be polite because the press is around.
Otherwise he would have said something like, "those f*ckers" or "those sons of bitches."
YD |
06.08.03 - 9:59 am | #
Atrios, that's how Infantry sergeant-majors talk. In fact, he was being polite. "Those heathen" was probably the only thing he could think of that sounded better than, "those fuckers."
YD |
06.08.03 - 10:04 am | #
Any bets that the Sgt.Major's words were scripted by someone in the President's staff...this is sound bite strategy and big bucks are involved. Every move is scripted for the little people's consumption.
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06.08.03 - 2:41 pm | #