I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
First!
Holy shit, that women columnist is hideous inside and out.
We have destroyed all of the American forces in the vicinity of Baghdad.
Hell...Earth cracking in two would be good news for Republicans...think of the strip mining deals to be made!
At this point in his campaign, Dukakis was up 16% over George H.W. Bush.
That is one impressive mound of hair on her head, though.
Makes me think of a line from Blackadder III: "A beard you could lose a badger in."
WE'RE DOOOOOOOOMMMMMM'DDDDDDDD!!!!!
Yeah, it's idiotic, what she's saying, but...
Dukakis was easily done in by smear, fear, and a lousy lousy photo-op gone awry. IOW, substance had nothing to do with it.
So I'm not so sure that the right-wing machine won't do significant damage to Obama, on absolutely nothing of significance.
hey...anyone answer that question below:
got new firefox 3.0 on a mac.
used to be, you could open a new tab in current window to read comments by
HOLDING DOWN THE APPLE BUTTON and clicking on comments (or anything else) and it would open a new tab.
Now, it opens a new window.
anyone know the fix?
Too bad McCain doesn't lead by 15.
No wait, that would be good news for Republicans too.
Art thou afeared?
She's on MSNBC sometimes, you should hear her voice.
That birds nest on her head is the bad news.
hey...anyone answer that question below:
Yes. Yes I did, below.
In the Firefox Menu, choose Preferences, then "Tabs".
We all know that. Heck, when Obama wins and the Dems take a bunch of new House and Senate seats, that'll be really, really good news for the Republicans.
Iraq/Qaeda Connection Developments [Andy McCarthy]
MEMRI and Instapundit report that a Kurdistan newspaper has published (on its first page) a 2002 letter from Saddam Hussein's office, reaching out directly to al Qaeda's No. 2, Ayman Zawahiri, about the possibility of attacks in Saudi Arabia. [h/t Mark Eichenlaub of the Regime of Terror blog]
Of course, I cannot vouch for its authenticity. If it's legit, though, it would be an instance of Iraq collaborating with al Qaeda even after the 9/11 attacks. We'll see.
Have you lost your kerning skills?
from below because i keep reading that the telecom bill is unconstitutional because it is ex post facto
You cannot retroactively legalize unconstitutional behavior.
Yes you can, however, you cannot punish someone for an act committed before it was declared illegal. You can decide an act that was previously illegal does not deserve punishment. Think of the three strike drug laws that have been overturned resulting in many prisoners being released early.
Not a lawyer, just a paralegal who worked in law enforcement.
Holy shit, that women columnist is hideous inside and out.
Rich | 06.21.08 - 12:09 pm | #
Someone should tell her that having two bathroom rugs on your head isn't a good look.
Hello again, peeps.
Don't forget to take a gander at the Euro2008 Fan Pic of the Day, with bonus vid!
Rag Mop as columnist.....I've seen everything.
It's a nice day, we're doooomed, and I have to go to work.
Ah well, time to prank-call Marmaduke.
http://achewood.com/index.php?da...p?
date=05202003
Atrios, this is the same merde we heard earlier today on NPR.
Snow, thanks very much for your explication, in the last thread.
I.O.U. a beverage of your choice.
Wish you were in the Congress!
So long as the media is Republican-controlled, any news by definition is good news for Republicans.
So i'm going to cease to be amazed by the 'Baghdad Bob' type 'this is good news!' memes.
-
hey, phila, you never asked me to be your friend on facebook thus allowing us to play scrabble.
Is that Howard Stern?
QL, see Snow's learned commentary in the previous thread.
Wish you were in the Congress!
He will be.
from below because i keep reading that the telecom bill is unconstitutional because it is ex post facto
No. The telecoms activities were unconstitutional because they violated the 4th Amendment, and Congress cannot change that. That is what people are arguing. It is a civil rights violation regardless of whether or not it is illegal under FISA.
It's stopped raining, Gonna go get a haircut.
I'd better get back a-painting.
Later.
So I'm not so sure that the right-wing machine won't do significant damage to Obama, on absolutely nothing of significance.
tubino | 06.21.08 - 12:13 pm | #
They will. After last night with my college buds, I've decided that most people are lazy and stupid. Even the smart ones like those folks, who seem to be getting dumber every day.
I don't have any interest in her gender or appearance, only tht what she wrote was one of the stupidest goddam pieces of transparent shilling in a while.
Because nothing gets the GOP base juices flowing like beating up on Dukakis.
Back to correcting typos and other stupidities in a lengthy manuscript (I'm an editor, not the writer...)
No. The telecoms activities were unconstitutional because they violated the 4th Amendment, and Congress cannot change that. That is what people are arguing. It is a civil rights violation regardless of whether or not it is illegal under FISA.
Snow (WF-SC)
Does Mr. ConLaw expert Obama know this? I'm so angry about this I could spit!
Because nothing gets the GOP base juices flowing like beating up on Dukakis.
JeffCO | 06.21.08 - 12:19 pm | #
Or Carter.
(I'm also the typist, so I'm responsible for the idiocies in the first place. :sad
They will. After last night with my college buds, I've decided that most people are lazy and stupid. Even the smart ones like those folks, who seem to be getting dumber every day.
Heh. Second time quoted today: "The trouble with the common man is that he's just so darned common." / Mark Twain
-
"Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) Set To Make Public Apology To Haditha Marines..."
Heh.
Atrios, this is the same merde we heard earlier today on NPR.
Daniel Schorr made me yell "Fuck You!" to a 91-year-old man this morning.
It just means McCain will become more desperate...
Well, that didn't work at all...
So with all this talk about how much damage McCain can do to Obama, what are people here going to do about mitigating the impact?
Well, that didn't work at all...
At least you didn't get one of these: 
Heh. Second time quoted today: "The trouble with the common man is that he's just so darned common." / Mark Twain
-
Cynicus | 06.21.08 - 12:21 pm | #
Leave it to Twain to sum it up perfectly.
Because nothing gets the GOP base juices flowing like beating up on Dukakis.
Try "Clinton got a blowjob!"
-
"Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) Set To Make Public Apology To Haditha Marines..."
Heh.
Lubyanka | 06.21.08 - 12:21 pm | #
Hey Brian -- did you see my tribute to you over at the homepage?
Hope it's not over the top. Of course, at least it's not like if somebody here posted a link to your phone number or anything....
Does Mr. ConLaw expert Obama know this? I'm so angry about this I could spit!
Cookie Fleck `08
Well, perhaps Mr. ConLaw Expert knows this, but Mr. ConLaw Expert is not running for president--Mr. Junior Senator is. The old ConLaw hat will have to sit on a shelf for a while, I guess.
Does Mr. ConLaw expert Obama know this? I'm so angry about this I could spit!
While I understand the logic of the argument, I disagree with it. Mainly because the 4th Amendment is not a prohibition on the activity of private citizens, only government. They are not prohibited from what they did by the Constitution but by statute, and Congress can grant them immunity or change their liability or anything else.
Look Who's the Divider [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
Barack Obama, the Democrats' candidate for president, yesterday in Florida:
"We know what kind of campaign they're going to run. They're going to try to make you afraid. They're going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young and inexperienced and he's got a funny name. And did I mention he's black? He's got a feisty wife," he said to cheers. "Ultimately, I think the American people recognize that old stuff hasn't moved us forward. That old stuff just divides us."
The ironic thing is a lot of the people on the Right who say they're attracted to him are attracted to him because he is black — they think it will be a good moment for America for a black man named Barack Obama to be elected president.
My problem is I'd prefer not to have a conventional liberal in the White House who underestimates the threats we face. The prospect of electing such a president does scare me. And it disappoints me Obama doesn't want to have debate about the future of our country in a way that doesn't demonize those who oppose him.
How can you debate someone who constantly forgets what the subject is?
Not only are they common, there's a whole lot of 'em.
For those of you Westerners who are familiar with California Lilac, or Ceanothus , there are some spectacular specimens of a large shrubby type in full bloom here in Portland just now. Blue and beautiful!
plantsman, | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 12:11 pm
Anything in bloom around Labor Day?
Does the recent death of Timmeh mean that soon our aging punditocracy will start dropping like flies?
I am so sick of those wrinkly faces who should know better reciting the same old shit over and over....
i mean, seriously folks, if Jesus the Christ came down with a thunderbolt in hand and started smiting Republicans, the MSM coverage would be "Republicans get Well-Earned Personal Attention from Our Lord and Saviour".
Cease to personally marvel, and concentrate on pointing out the folly to those you can reach.
-
My problem is I'd prefer not to have a conventional liberal in the White House who underestimates the threats we face.
1. Your opinion of "conventional liberals" is based on nonsensical lies.
2. What threats do we face?
At this point in his campaign, Dukakis was up 16% over George H.W. Bush.
plantsman, | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 12:13 pm
At this point in 1992, I think Clinton was still in 3rd place, behind HW and Perot.
There is no news on this planet, or in this solar system, or this sector, or this quadrant, or this galaxy, be that news good or bad, that is not favorable to Republicans.
NONE.
To include the instant vaporization of every last GOP member out there. Which would be hailed as clearing out the dead wood for fresh blood.
Obama got his bounce, Dukakis style.
man look at that broad's hair. the count of monty crisco.
Question for Brian Williams, GE's Meat teh Press replacement:
We never got the chance to ask Timmeh, so we're asking you:
"What does Cheney's cock taste like?"
h/t a commenter over at Roger Ailes.
~
Thanks Snow. It's just that when I took the Constitutional law class, so so many years ago, ex post facto had a specific context. And yes, you cannot declare an unconstitutional action constitutional just by saying so which is the clear intent in this instance. Someone suggested donations to the ACLU in lieu of the candidates who vote for this. I think that may be a very, very good idea.
test
Hope it's not over the top. Of course, at least it's not like if somebody here posted a link to your phone number or anything.... steve hüssein™ simels
I can't believe you summarily dismissed The Eggplant That Ate Chicago.
California: Staggering 115000 new uneployed
wonder if running bla can get u a medal of freedom. Obamas black. wheres the joke the fuck? these goddamn repukes are nothing but a fucking bunch of hiding loosers.
My problem is I'd prefer not to have a conventional liberal in the White House who underestimates the threats we face.
The Ducks are going to so enjoy devouring that worthless sow's carcas.
I would rather not have a conventional conservative in the White House overestimating the threats we face.
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.
My problem is I'd prefer not to have a conventional liberal in the White House who underestimates the threats we face
Darlin', a lack of subsidies for boob jobs is not a threat.
-
President Dukakis eventually ran his lead up to 85-13 in the General
My problem is I'd prefer not to have a conventional liberal in the White House who underestimates the threats we face.
If I had the resources for it, I would consider inviting Ms. Lopez for an tour of European countries, where she can experience first-hand what's it's like to live in a place where there have indeed been terrorist acts and threats, yet no one is walking around afraid and on the defensive. How would she view America then, I'd like to know.
"What does Cheney's cock taste like?"
Ass.
This has been another simple answer...
wonder if running bla can get u a medal of freedom. Obamas black. wheres the joke the fuck? these goddamn repukes are nothing but a fucking bunch of hiding loosers.
I told you to stop huffing my cleaning chemicals.
California: Staggering 115000 new uneployed
If the didn't come to work staggering they'd still have jobs. Unless an illegal immigrant took it.
It's always Good for Republicans™
Hey, when did Louis XIV get a column?
Dukakis was a lousy candidate. McCain is a lousier candidate and Obama is not.
I am so sick of those wrinkly faces who should know better reciting the same old shit over and over....
Sadly, there is already at the waiting an entirely new generation steeped in that same shit.
GOP motto: Let a hundred turblossoms bloom.
plantsman,
thanks much....but
that works for anything I open from bookmarks or a link, but when I click on comments in Eschaton I get a new window.
drat.
I would prefer no one in the White House "estimating" threats anymore. Either you know or you don't, and if you don't, you find out for sure...and if the facts don't confirm to your preconceptions, you abandon those preconceptions.
[I know, I know, Enlightenment is pre-9/11 thinking.]
I am so sick of those wrinkly faces who should know better reciting the same old shit over and over....
Sadly, there is already at the waiting an entirely new generation steeped in that same shit.
It's damaging to those who praise human uniqueness, but truly, to pundit is just to be given a public forum to bullshit. Anyone on this board could do it. Anyone picked by lottery probably could. It's just a question of having the connections to be given a public stage.
and if all you're doing is reciting a script, it's even easier to replace you. It doesn't take that much to read a tel-e-prompter.
-
QL, you're completely right about ex post facto, and I was completely wrong.
But the main point is that the Congress can't just throw away the Constitution.
The Supremes can, and will, if McCain is elected.
My thanks to you and Snow.
Gotta run.
I would prefer no one in the White House "estimating" threats anymore.
Threats are always estimates. They can only be measured when they have been carried out.
It seems like only last week that the mainstream press was all abuzz that Obama held "only" a six point lead, given the deep shit Republicans are in generally.
Oh, wait... it was last week. Now we're in big trouble because...
Oh, fuck it. See you in November, pundits.
Dukakis was a lousy candidate. McCain is a lousier candidate and Obama is not.
NTodd, WhyIGottaBeMrPink
Four out of five historians agree: Now is not Then, and people are different everytime and everywhere!
Obamaweek Strikes Again [Mark Hemingway]
So Newsweek released a new poll yesterday afternoon breathlessly reporting "Barack finally has his bounce," claiming that according to their latest poll Obama has opened up a 15 point lead against McCain. Further, Reuters did an entire article dedicated to nothing but trumpeting the Newsweek poll's results.
Looking at the the pollster.com and RCP polling averages I see that not a single other poll has Obama up by anything more than six. That's quite the outlier. And Newsweek's methodology here seems highly suspect — 1010 people polled, and the bulk of that is 896 registered voters, comprised of 324 Democrats vs.231 Republicans, with the remainder indpendent.
You know from shit about polling, so you should keep your mouth shut.
"i can't believe i'm losing to this guy"
-- john lovitz
Threats are always estimates. They can only be measured when they have been carried out.
Snow (WF-SC)
Yeah, it was just a riff on manufactured intelligence...the language construction didn't really stand up to scrutiny...got me again! 
one third democrats and one quarter goopers seems a bit off.
I would prefer no one in the White House "estimating" threats anymore.
Trouble is, all the estimates of threats of foriegn people is phrased as "If they do something, how much will it threaten us getting what we want through Congress? How much will it stregnthen the Opposition Party threat? How much will it threaten the deals we got going?"
the concept that a threat might actually be a , you know, threat, is a null concept there.
-
Once again, I'm sorry to be the skunk at the garden party, but as far as I'm concerned, after this disgusting FISA sellout the Democrats have officially jumped the shark.
As far as I'm concerned, they can never be counted on to do the right thing ever. And that includes Supreme Court appointments under Obama, which I no longer believe can be counted on to be even reasonably to the left.
Seriously -- there needs to be major payback on this. The party as it is currently constituted is a fricking disaster.....
Alright kids, i need to go back to Reality 1.0 . Maybe catch you tomorrow. Good day and good luck!
-
It's going to be another day of scattered power-outages here in So Cal as the heat wave continues.
An acquaintance who has been trying to convince me that Obama is a Muslim forwarded this email to me last week-
Think you know who this man is?
This possible President of the United States !! Read Below and
ask yourselves, is this REALLY someone we can see as the
President of our great nation!!!!
Below are a few lines from Obama's books; In his words!
From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'
From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!
From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
* If you have never forwarded an e-mail, now is the time to Do so!!!! We CANNOT have someone with this type of mentality running our GREAT nation!! I don't care whether you a Democrat or a Conservative. We CANNOT turn ourselves over to this type of character in a President. PLEASE help spread the word.
I sent her a link to Snopes debunking this nonsense along with a message: "You really should verify the accuracy of things you forward to others or run the risk of people finding you stupid." I haven't heard back from her.
Seriously -- there needs to be major payback on this. The party as it is currently constituted is a fricking disaster.....
Dear Congressional Dems, The phrase "spineless, idiotic, fascism-enabling motherfucking assholes" gets thrown around a lot these days....
As far as I'm concerned, they can never be counted on to do the right thing ever. And that includes Supreme Court appointments under Obama, which I no longer believe can be counted on to be even reasonably to the left.
Seriously -- there needs to be major payback on this. The party as it is currently constituted is a fricking disaster.....
steve hüssein™ simels | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 12:41 pm | #
I'm not sorry for donating to Donna Edwards, either in 2006 or in the campaign she won.
And I'm donating to Victoria Wulsin (OH-02) against Jean Schmidt, again.
~
Wow...I'm messed.
Only half-done w/ the bathroom, and I'm spent.
I sent her a link to Snopes debunking this nonsense along with a message: "You really should verify the accuracy of things you forward to others or run the risk of people finding you stupid." I haven't heard back from her. Thumper Johnson
Thanks for quoting the entire text of the claptrap here. Otherwise, some people might not have seen it. Also, you forgot the Snopes link.
Seriously -- there needs to be major payback on this. The party as it is currently constituted is a fricking disaster.....
Dear Congressional Dems, The phrase "spineless, idiotic, fascism-enabling motherfucking assholes" gets thrown around a lot these days....
You know, some folks tried to do massive, constant letter-writing campaigns last year. Maybe more people might join in this time?
I suppose that the `pugs could falsely tie Obama to a black rapist-murderer and then get a picture of him in a tank that made him look silly, but, if they don't, does that mean the situation in 1988 is not the same as it is now?
After all, today, people see that little red, white and blue elephant, and they hold their nose and exclaim, "whew, stinkerino!"
Maybe this "it's always good for Republicans" business is just more whistling past the elephant graveyard....
Pretty chickenshit troll, if you ask me. A lame comment, and didn't use a familiar name....
I sent her a link to Snopes debunking this nonsense along with a message: "You really should verify the accuracy of things you forward to others or run the risk of people finding you stupid." I haven't heard back from her.
Thumper Johnson
You're a lot more polite than I was in replying:all to the wingnut email about offshore drilling.
One-third Democrats sounds about right. Republicans tend to call themselves "Independents" when their party isn't popular, so one-quarter is probably right.
Pretty chickenshit troll, if you ask me. A lame comment, and didn't use a familiar name.... steve hüssein™ simels
Ya think?
I suppose that the `pugs could falsely tie Obama to a black rapist-murderer and then get a picture of him in a tank that made him look silly
They do have the "gutter ball" footage, but will that be enough?
Snopes link-
http://www.snopes.com/politics/o...ma/
ownwords.asp
Good News For Republics
Only if Obama dons a goofy helmet and rides on a tank.
I got this email from my great aunt Bessie:
McCain was brainwashed by the Communists and had a black baby.
I sent her a link to Obama's website.
should I have hope that some dems will filibuster this and BLAST that it is a cover up for Bush and aid to telco's?
I sent her a link to Snopes debunking this nonsense along with a message: "You really should verify the accuracy of things you forward to others or run the risk of people finding you stupid." I haven't heard back from her.
Thumper Johnson | 06.21.08 - 12:45 pm | #
I did something similar, and the woman who originally sent it responded that she read the de-bunking and still found his comments "damming" (sic) ...
I suppose that the `pugs could falsely tie Obama to a black rapist-murderer and then get a picture of him in a tank that made him look silly
They do have the "gutter ball" footage, but will that be enough?
scary remains a synonym. obama didnbt sell out 170.000 on Iranian nukes. how many can survive tomorrow?
Maybe 1080P HD will help kill off the punditocracy. I know when I replaced my 20" TV with the 27", everone on TV was suddenly uglier....
Pretty chickenshit troll, if you ask me. A lame comment, and didn't use a familiar name.... steve hüssein™ simels
I changed from name from bloggus to Thumper Johnson several weeks ago. Sorry you didn't get the memo...
this FISA business reminds me -- on a different scale -- of the Dems sell out on unemployment; they cut back the 13 weeks for states over 6% cause the goopers winded and said they would vote against it.
I had to send an email to my Pa-inlaw to debunk the viral "Ollie North sayz that bin Laden wants to kill me" bit. And to my co-workers, the "Great Britain school system is turning into a Madrassa" thing.
It gets tiresome.
Maybe 1080P HD will help kill off the punditocracy. I know when I replaced my 20" TV with the 27", everone on TV was suddenly uglier....
Try covering it with a thin layer of vaseline.
Hey Brooklyn Girl:
Mrs. Blues and I are going to New York in September. I want to walk or jog across the Brooklyn Bridge.
Pretty chickenshit troll, if you ask me. A lame comment, and didn't use a familiar name.... steve hüssein™ simels
I changed from name from bloggus to Thumper Johnson several weeks ago. Sorry you didn't get the memo...
yeah thornton died 2001
"Shades of Dukakis, Obama up 15"
Dukakis was 20 years ago, for Chrissakes.
I am so sick of hearing that.
The talking heads bring it up like a prayer.
The Mysteries of Pittsburgh.
Talking about the Plame case, some idiot on CNN just said there was an investigation and nothing came of it. No one was charged.
The discussion started after McClellan testified about Rove's truthiness.
Now the idiot legal experts are completely screwing up ex post facto law.
Jeebus fuck. CNN doesn't care about the truth so long as they get an argument on air.
"Shades of Dukakis, Obama up 15"
so its 2023?
Look at the source, disregard as needed.
re: stupid e-mail forwards: Did everyone see this? I can't remember where it came from, but someone else will:
Barack Obama wears a FLAG PIN at all times. Even in the shower.
Barack Obama says the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE every time he sees an American flag. He also ends every sentence by saying, "WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL." Click here for video of Obama quietly mouthing the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE in his sleep.
A tape exists of Michelle Obama saying the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE at a conference on PATRIOTISM.
Every weekend, Barack and Michelle take their daughters HUNTING.
Barack Obama is a PATRIOTIC AMERICAN. He has one HAND over his HEART at all times. He occasionally switches when one arm gets tired, which is almost never because he is STRONG.
Barack Obama has the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE tattooed on his stomach. It's upside-down, so he can read it while doing sit-ups.
There's only one artist on Barack Obama's iPod: FRANCIS SCOTT KEY.
[more]
[continued]
Barack Obama is a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN. His favorite book is the BIBLE, which he has memorized. His name means HE WHO LOVES JESUS in the ancient language of Aramaic. He is PROUD that Jesus was an American.
Barack Obama goes to church every morning. He goes to church every afternoon. He goes to church every evening. He is IN CHURCH RIGHT NOW.
Barack Obama's new airplane includes a conference room, a kitchen, and a MEGACHURCH.
Barack Obama's skin is the color of AMERICAN SOIL.
Barack Obama buys AMERICAN STUFF. He owns a FORD, a BASEBALL TEAM, and a COMPUTER HE BUILT HIMSELF FROM AMERICAN PARTS. He travels mostly by FORKLIFT.
Barack Obama says that Americans cling to GUNS and RELIGION because they are AWESOME.
"You really should verify the accuracy of things you forward to others or run the risk of people finding you stupid."
I'd like to steal that and use it for the forwards I get.
Seriously -- there needs to be major payback on this.
steve hüssein™ simels
Yep, but after we have the WH. Eye on the prize ...
I love the "newsflash" this morning.
"36% of independents favor McCain"
Nothing said of the other 64%.
Hey Brooklyn Girl:
Mrs. Blues and I are going to New York in September. I want to walk or jog across the Brooklyn Bridge.
Deacon Blues | 06.21.08 - 12:53 pm | #
An excellent idea! Great view of Manhattan and the entire harbor from the Bridge.
While you're here, will you have time for an Atriots dinner?
Poor Scotty was compared to Judas, which makes Dumbya Jesus.
Barack Obama says that Americans cling to GUNS and RELIGION because they are AWESOME.
IIRC, that email was a joke...a mockery of all the crap that has been sent.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/o...ma/ ownwords.asp
Thumper Johnson
Damn liberal facts!!
Talking about the Plame case, some idiot on CNN just said there was an investigation and nothing came of it. No one was charged. -Snow (WF-SC)
no, but I expect Joe Wilson to be indicted very soon ... tobey told me
I'd like to steal that and use it for the forwards I get.
Be my guest. It's not the first time I've used it and I doubt it will be the last.
Maybe 1080P HD will help kill off the punditocracy. I know when I replaced my 20" TV with the 27", everone on TV was suddenly uglier....
It's very, very unkind to John McCain I can tell you that. He's frightening at 1080i on a 50 inch plasma.
no, but I expect Joe Wilson to be indicted very soon ... tobey told me
focus, found some words
Toby, pudpuller, auggieasswipe, Dickyanka.
They think if they keep saying it, that will make it so.
A pitiful lot.
Poor Scotty was compared to Judas, which makes Dumbya Jesus.
Wonder where Rove fits into that schema?
Something with a forked tongue and scales...?
Damn liberal facts!!
when jesus was born I think he thought of how he was made.u know, same happened to me
Yep, but after we have the WH. Eye on the prize ...
The value of the WH diminishes with each and every lameass Dem that returns to Congress.
I am dubious that those who won't oppose Bush now will support Obama later. They vote with the GOP b/c that's who they are.
[Come on, Haloscan, give a mensch a break!]
Once again, I'm sorry to be the skunk at the garden party, but as far as I'm concerned, after this disgusting FISA sellout the Democrats have officially jumped the shark.
steve hüssein™ simels
Well, you're more like Pepé Le Pew to me, Steve. I'll paint a white stripe down my back for you anyday.
In my cynical head, the Democratic Party jumped the shark when they stabbed mcGovern in the back, the bosses sulking about losing control to grass roots campaigning (such as my longtime favorite, Shirley Chisholm).
The party subsequently made changes so that would never happen again.
"I opened the doors of the Democratic Party, and 20 million people walked out."
-- George McGovern
Here's the snopes link:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/o...ma/
ownwords.asp
Since when did Tim Leary troll here?
IIRC, that email was a joke...a mockery of all the crap that has been sent.
Zap Rowsdower...True Story!
Zap! Are you OK? Drink some water or some beer or something!
Poor Scotty was compared to Judas, which makes Dumbya Jesus.
Lime Rickey
I would say that Dumbya is more like Satan, but that's Cheney's role.
1080P HD could help, because of the detail (heinous and otherwise), TV directors will have to use movie-style wider shots and we won't have as much of that false sense of intimacy that regular TV gives you...
This can only help Rudy! Giuliani.
While you're here, will you have time for an Atriots dinner?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Yes, we hope to There are a lot of Atriots there.
This will be Mrs. Blues first trip to NY, my second. It is our 20th anniversary.
Yep, but after we have the WH. Eye on the prize ...
DFH in Dubrovnik | 06.21.08 - 12:56 pm | #
With respect, after yesterday, I no longer think it will make a meaningful difference. The Dems are hopeless.
Drink some water or some beer or something!
/waves hand in front of hand
I dunno...I've been messed up the last 2 1/2 weeks. Reality's kind of a blur right now.
Yeah...I fucking need a nap. Later.
"Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) Set To Make Public Apology To Haditha Marines..."
That must be some strong shit dickyanka is doing.
yes, Steve S., that was some pretty dumb and spineless shit led by Hoyer with Nancy off in ya ya land.
When Hastert ruled the House, they did NOT bring anything to the floor that was opposed by a majority of the Goopers.
nuff said.
as to the Senate--dunno what will happen and I am willing to pressure them on this.
That newspaper has a decent forum for us woe begotten pittsburgh pirate fans - that is, I like the post and respond structure of it.
Beyond that, I'd never read a word in Scaife's little vanity rag. Why anyone would put stock in something some big-haired airhead has to say is beyond me. It's just right wing wackos talking to themselves. Who cares?
Here's the snopes link:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/o...ma/ ownwords.asp
Vadis
And this is supposed to make a difference how?
Yes, we hope to There are a lot of Atriots there.
This will be Mrs. Blues first trip to NY, my second. It is our 20th anniversary.
Deacon Blues | 06.21.08 - 1:01 pm | #
Cool! Just tell us when you're gonna be here and we'll work it out.
And congratulations!
With respect, after yesterday, I no longer think it will make a meaningful difference. The Dems are hopeless.
steve hüssein™ simels | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 1:02 pm | #
I tend to disagree. The key is that President Obama prove as adept at managing the message after taking office as when he campagns.
Oh hell, I just popped back in to notice that Fred Thompson is standing strong against terror in the blogad. Lolzors.
Good afternoon, people. The FISA vote sucks but John Dean looked a the bill and said it's so poorly drafted it may still allow criminal prosecution of telecoms for warrantless eavesdropping. I take some comfort in that . . .
.
And don't even get me started on Obama coming out for nuclear power.
Really, this shit is making me nauseous today....
Cool! Just tell us when you're gonna be here and we'll work it out.
And congratulations!
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Thanks, we arrive on Sep 20 and leave on the 26th. The 24th is our "official" date. As the date gets closer we'll set up a little liberal drinking time
The Seal Deal [Andrew Stuttaford]
As the story of Obama’s 'presidential' seal reminds us, few messiahs are modest men. Nevertheless, as kitsch goes, the design itself is not too bad. Nice typeface! I await his redesign of the uniforms of the White House guard with anticipation.
They'll dress as Zulu warriors.
I take some comfort in that . . .
.
Sparkle Plenty
I don't.
What's Fred Thompson doing in the picture with Obaman and the Iranian prime minister. Is silent Freddie one of the leaders of those "enemy nations" that its bad to even talk to? If he is, it's the Matlock nation, maybe.
When did offshore drilling become the Most Important Thing Evar!!! to the outraged conservative hive? They're like six-year-olds playing soccer, swarming around the ball without a hint of what to do next.
New Rule: Bush-backers are not allowed to make fun of presidential regalia, ever.
Presidential seal cowboy boots, people.
What's Fred Thompson gonna do, drool on me?
It's just right wing wackos talking to themselves. Who cares?
I'll let Spocko explain why you should care.
Ok, here's the theory. Apparently, when the wiretapping started, the Dems were told about it. Now I'm sure it was just enough information to make them feel like accomplices, but not enough that they could do anything about it then. (A lot like the media was treated). Now the threat is that their "collusion" will be revealed.
There's still a couple of problems. Why not just let this shit sunset-let someone else worry about it?
After 9/11 we were all a little twitchy and would forgive a little over zealousness-however everyone seems to be forgetting that this illegal wiretapping began well before 9/11.
I'm guessing the folks running the White House are pushing for a back door way to escape being prosecuted for the pre-9/11 shit...
The FISA vote sucks but John Dean looked a the bill and said it's so poorly drafted
sometimes massive incompetence is our only hope
OT but why do spam emailers think I would open a mail with no name in the "From" column, and "[No Subject]" in the subject column?
And this is supposed to make a difference how?
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08
Well...you can tell the idiot passing around the email where to find out the truth...and the idiot can then ignore you.
Everyone plays, and the system wins.
Every political act can be thoroughly absorbed by systems of power, and we all have a role to play as agents of hegemony.
What's Fred Thompson doing in the picture with Obaman and the Iranian prime minister. Is silent Freddie one of the leaders of those "enemy nations" that its bad to even talk to? If he is, it's the Matlock nation, maybe.
It's the Arthur Branch nation.
The crazy Persian is the public face of the Iranian government, but the catch is he's got all the power of Baghdad Bob.
The mullahs who actually get to set policy are ignored by our incredibly shallow media fucktards.
When did offshore drilling become the Most Important Thing Evar!!! to the outraged conservative hive? They're like six-year-olds playing soccer, swarming around the ball without a hint of what to do next.
nurple
Offshore drilling is the new tax cuts.
OT but why do spam emailers think I would open a mail with no name in the "From" column, and "[No Subject]" in the subject column?
I only open those so I can click on the attached executable to see what it is.
Pardon the digression to the earlier thread. Wichita used to have pretty pathetic bus service. City solution: Cut routes and times because nobody was riding. Took three hours to get across town by bus and everything went through downtown, so even if you only wanted to go a few miles around the outskirts of town you had to ride 20 miles to get there. Wonder why nobody was riding....
Give us some trains that actually work and even in the west it might be practical. But to get to a train from Phoenix, you apparently have to go to Flagstaff first. That's practical, right?
"Obama got his bounce, Dukakis style."
Wingnuts whistling past the graveyard. Heh. That is unless Obama follows Pelosi's lead on issues like funding Bush's debacle and telcom immunity...
I only open those so I can click on the attached executable to see what it is.
JeffCO
Life is like a box of chocolates...
Hasn't Obama said all along that he would be OK with nuclear power IF a solution is found to disposing of the wastes? Plus a couple other caveats?
They'll dress as Zulu warriors.
Lime Rickey | 06.21.08 - 1:08 pm | #
Zulus are from South Africa. Obama is a Luo, they'll probably dress like goat herders.
OT but why do spam emailers think I would open a mail with no name in the "From" column, and "[No Subject]" in the subject column?
Deacon Blues | 06.21.08 - 1:11 pm | #
Because they think you're as stupid as they are?
FYI, Steely Dan are completing a one-week long gig at the Beacon Theater tonight.
Well, they took long breaks during the day, but you know what I mean ...
so, oil prices skyrocket, much to the benefit of oil companies. the only solution is domestic drilling, much to the benefit of oil companies. oh, and tax cuts to encourage them to drill, much to the benefit of oil companies.
here's my counter plan: you can have your drilling if the oil companies pay for the exploration from their foreign source profits, and any profits from domestic sources go to the american people in the form of universal health care.
(not to worry, environmentalists; it will never happen)
When did offshore drilling become the Most Important Thing Evar!!! to the outraged conservative hive? They're like six-year-olds playing soccer, swarming around the ball without a hint of what to do next.
While Jeb was governor of Florida, Little Boots pretty much stayed away from the issue, because offshore drilling is very unpopular there. As with everything else, policy is still being driven by politics in the WH.
Now that Jeb is gone, the Idiot-in-Chief is looking to lock down leases for his friends before he leaves office. The increase in gas prices is a politically opportune circumstance, since he believes the American public is stupid and they'll go for this con game of his, that it won't notice that the relatively small benefit is many years in the future and will have no impact on current prices.
Bidness as usual for this bunch.
I only open those so I can click on the attached executable to see what it is.
A friendly spammer sent me some virus scan software. They told me it was urgent to open it immediately, so I did.
Ooops, gotta go. The credit card company called and said my card is maxed out. That's funny, I don't remember charging anything.
Offshore drilling is the new tax cuts.
Deacon Blues
They focus grouped Bush/McCain's fascist policies and found soccer moms would go along with them if it meant they could fill up their SUV for less than $40. Of course, they are counting on the media to drill in the message that one follows the other.
Had to email CNN after that travesty they aired with those two alleged legal experts.
Sorry for the blogwhore, but over at the homepage, we celebrate the birthday of one of the truly great persons of our time.
Ray Davies is 64 today!!!!
FYI, Steely Dan are completing a one-week long gig at the Beacon Theater tonight.
Well, they took long breaks during the day, but you know what I mean ...
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
They haven't posted their September tour schedule yet. It would be great to see them in NY but I'm not holding out hope.
OT but why do spam emailers think I would open a mail with no name in the "From" column, and "[No Subject]" in the subject column?
Deacon Blues
I suppose for every one of you there are plenty who would open it out of the excitement of finally getting some mail.
(I'm now picturing the Simpsons bit where Jehovah's Witnesses visit a lonely Marge, who won't let them leave--finally escaping while she fetches more lemonade.)
Hasn't Obama said all along that he would be OK with nuclear power IF a solution is found to disposing of the wastes? Plus a couple other caveats?
Karin Hussein | 06.21.08 - 1:15 pm | #
Sounds good to me. A Mr. Fusion™ unit that runs on nuclear waste, turning it into "clean" byproducts is a dream of mine as well...
Why do you have to jump all over Obama two weeks into his nomination? It's not like he's come out supporting an abortion ban. Give him at least until the Senate vote to come out strong against this FISA bill at least. Jiminy Crickets people!
Listen, if our differences are over policy issues like whether nuclear energy should play any role in this nations energy policy, this is good news.
It beats debating whether shoving a uranium nugget up someones asshole is really torture.
As much as I hate the FISA bill, it can be fixed (though, yeah, I know, that rarely happens), and it does take it off the table as a reactionary election issue.
.
It beats debating whether shoving a uranium nugget up someones asshole is really torture.
I vote fraternity prank. A really nasty fraternity.
Why do you have to jump all over Obama two weeks into his nomination?
Your concern is noted.
Why do you have to jump all over Obama two weeks into his nomination? It's not like he's come out supporting an abortion ban. Give him at least until the Senate vote to come out strong against this FISA bill at least. Jiminy Crickets people!
sue
He is the de facto leader of the Democratic Party at this time. It would be good if he, you know, led on this issue.
He may *lead* when it's his turn, in the Senate. He is a SENATOR at the moment and his vote and his presence on the floor is coming up soon.
There they go again...
Better not have Obama go to Iraq after all. They may stick him in a tank.
And cue the Willie Horton redux ads in 5...4...3...
Hasn't Obama said all along that he would be OK with nuclear power IF a solution is found to disposing of the wastes? Plus a couple other caveats?
Karin Hussein | 06.21.08 - 1:15 pm | #
That's like saying I'd be cute if I had a different face, i.e., profoundly stupid.
Seriously -- I can't believe how lame the Democrats that are supposedly representing us actually are.
It's beyond pathetic...
Fuck off Dave. You just love rabble rousing. Pitiful creature.
Give him at least until the Senate vote to come out strong against this FISA bill at least
No. He is not a junior senator but the leader of the Democratic Party and I demand that he take the lead. Now!
As much as I hate the FISA bill, it can be fixed (though, yeah, I know, that rarely happens), and it does take it off the table as a reactionary election issue.
.
Sparkle Plenty
Can't deimmunize someone unless they don't hold up their side of the deal. The telcoms don't have to do anything for immuniy.
call on washington journal this morning (paraphrased and condensed):
"at first, i was very intrested in what obama had to say. then i found out he signed a bill that didn't make abortion illegal. how can i vote for someone who wants to murder his citizens?"
they are really desperately afraid.
Sure glad Obama doesn't need my money 'cause he ain't ever gonna get any after yesterday.
I would go for telcom immunity if they gave a full accounting of Bush and Cheney law breaking at their impeachment hearings.
how can i vote for someone who wants to murder his citizens?"
they are really desperately afraid.
dirk gently, melancaholic | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 1:21 pm | #
And profoundly stupid.
I would go for telcom immunity if they gave a full accounting of Bush and Cheney law breaking at their impeachment hearings.
George Johnston
i actually agree with this. i'd be happy for the telcos to get an immunity deal in exchange for testifying against mr. big - isn't that how they usually get the cabals?
"how can i vote for someone who wants to murder his citizens?"
Is this from someone who voted for Bush in 2004?
I would go for telcom immunity if they gave a full accounting of Bush and Cheney law breaking at their impeachment hearings.
George Johnston | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 1:22 pm | #
I like the cut of your jib!
Unless I change my mind or the wind changes direction, but right now it is Fuck Obama with a capital F. IVAW once again got all the Troutski turkee this week.
Is this from someone who voted for Bush in 2004?
George Johnston | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 1:24 pm | #
bill benett would put money on it.
I wish I played drums.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/
d...cut+of+your+jib
President Obama apparently wants to be able to keep the option of spying on citizens, so Senator Obama is not opposing this bill.
As much as I hate the FISA bill, it can be fixed (though, yeah, I know, that rarely happens), and it does take it off the table as a reactionary election issue.
.
Sparkle Plenty | 06.21.08 - 1:19 pm | #
But that's what's most fucked up about the fact the Dems caved on this. There would have been absolutely NO political downside to fighting Bush at this point. They're going to win in November by huge and historic margins. But they caved anyway.
I'm sorry, they're hopeless. Jumping the shark doesn't begin to describe what they did yesterday....
then i found out he signed a bill that didn't make abortion illegal. how can i vote for someone who wants to murder his citizens?
Push the chad all the way through the ballot.
Why do you have to jump all over Obama two weeks into his nomination?
sue
Because that is our job in this scheme of democratic accountability (or hegemony, depending on how cynical one is).
Okay, time to check out and do stuff. l8r
Sure glad Obama doesn't need my money 'cause he ain't ever gonna get any after yesterday.
Troutski
ACLU instead so that they can fight this thing.
However, I'm willing to give him a break for now cause I'm halfway convinced he's being ratfucked by the established elite of the party. Moving the DNC to Chicago, away from the entrenched blue dogs, was probably not popular and bringing the FISA thing to a vote just may be payback. Or Digby could be right and he either initiated it or went along. Let's wait at least till the end of the week to see if it is stopped in the Senate.
BTW-I was really disappointed to see Patrick Murphy voted yea. Damn, we gave that boy $ after meeting him at the first EschaCon.
i'm not jumping on obama.
i'm kicking him in the right side so he'll move left.
Why do you have to jump all over Obama two weeks into his nomination?
Simple answers:
So far the change seems to be unbelievable because there are no backing actions. Talk with out action is just more bullshit.
Example: see the democratic congress.
at first, i was very intrested in what obama had to say. then i found out h--
"Dear Penthouse..."
Folks,
A woman makes a ridiculous argument and you talk about her hair and the quality of her voice? Sexism is alive and well - and apparently never learns.
I heard on one of the talking head shows yesterday that Blue Dogs put a lot of pressure on the pass the FISA bill because they're facing tough opposition in the upcoming elections.
If that's true and really part of the reason it was rushed through, then that's a mighty big favor to call in come January. Which, if Obama is planning major legislation for the first 100 days, could be a good thing.
.
Sure glad Obama doesn't need my money 'cause he ain't ever gonna get any after yesterday.
Troutski, BTW | 06.21.08 - 1:22 pm | #
Yes, he will.
Okay, he's the de facto head of the Democratic party (which is still hard to believe, frankly) ... but I don't underestimate the impact hidden that racism is going to play in this contest. My guess is that he doesn't want to come across as the Scary Black Man who Wants to Bury Your Children by Being Weak on Terra just yet.
Seriously, that a friend of mine, a Hillary supporter, said that Michelle Obama is a power-hungry bitch really blew my mind.
Hillary went to Yale Law School. Michelle went to Harvard Law School.
Hillary married an up and coming political star from Arkansas. Michelle married an up and coming political star from Illinois.
Both are smart, professional, political women.
What's the fundamental difference between them?
But that's what's most fucked up about the fact the Dems caved on this. There would have been absolutely NO political downside to fighting Bush at this point. They're going to win in November by huge and historic margins. But they caved anyway.
I don't get it either. Who's in love with the phone companies?
Folks,
A woman makes a ridiculous argument and you talk about her hair and the quality of her voice?
When did I do that?
fox still claiming barack broke his promise on public financing. no mention of mccain actually doing so.
A woman makes a ridiculous argument and you talk about her hair and the quality of her voice? Sexism is alive and well - and apparently never learns.
Guess you haven't been here when we've mocked Bobo, Tucker, or Richard Cohen.
Lunch beckons.
If I can keep it down while thinking about the craven shitwhistles who apparently run the goddamn Democratic party....
Back in a bit..
A woman makes a ridiculous argument and you talk about her hair and the quality of her voice? Sexism is alive and well - and apparently never learns.
lynn | 06.21.08 - 1:30 pm | #
And if it were a man, we'd talk about his goiter and wooden smile.
Yes, there's still sexism in our culture, but we are equal opportunity make-funners here.
I'm sorry, they're hopeless. Jumping the shark doesn't begin to describe what they did yesterday....
steve hüssein™ simels
The more I think about it, the more that this seems to me a capitulation to corporate interests/donors.
The implicit deal is this: let the telcos off, and the Corporatocracy will not go heavy on the Obama campaign.
Go after the telcos, and that's as good as declaring war on the Corporatocracy. And that, folks, would unleash a mud torrent on Obama unrivaled by the Cedar, Iowa, and Mississippi Rivers at full flowage.
Note to Obama apologists:
Speak the truth to power and question authority so we don't think you are a cult member, would ya please?
but I don't underestimate the impact hidden that racism is going to play in this contest.
racism has no connection to actions. it will have neither more nor less impact as a result of whichever stand obama has on fisa.
What's the fundamental difference between them?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | 06.21.08 - 1:30 pm | #
Hillary was a Goldwater Democrat?
Oh wait, Michelle is married to a black man?
Hillary is married to a wannabe?
obama being inaugurated is going to be the best thing that ever happened to the republicans!
He may *lead* when it's his turn, in the Senate.
Come back during the filibuster, m'kay?
Guess you haven't been here when we've mocked Bobo, Tucker, or Richard Cohen.
NTodd, WhyIGottaBeMrPink
and you're ugly, too.
What's the fundamental difference between them?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Michelle gives terrorist fist bumps!
A woman makes a ridiculous argument and you talk about her hair and the quality of her voice? Sexism is ali--
Your concern is noted.
Sweetie.
Run and get me some coffee now, will ya?
The general public doesn't understand a thing about the FISA bill. They've been misled completely by the administration and the media. They need to be educated and right now they don't know dick about it.
A united group of dems needs to start a campaign to explain WHY the bill is so bad. Obama can't do it all by himself. He's hanging out there like a quarterback with no protection.
Guess you haven't been here when we've mocked Bobo, Tucker, or Richard Cohen.
NTodd, WhyIGottaBeMrPink
I'm considering starting a blog to highlight all their fashion mistakes.
Has this been done before?
racism has no connection to actions. it will have neither more nor less impact as a result of whichever stand obama has on fisa.
dirk gently, melancaholic | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 1:33 pm | #
What I meant was is that he doesn't want to give the Repubs any talking points regarding his being soft on terror.
"Poll: Obama Maintains Large Lead Over McCain Among Trinity United Chuch Of Christ Members.."
A united group of dems needs to start a campaign to explain WHY the bill is so bad. Obama can't do it all by himself. He's hanging out there like a quarterback with no protection.
sue
So you're saying he should pick a good offensive tackle as a running mate?
rented owls!!!!!!!
racism has no connection to actions. it will have neither more nor less impact as a result of whichever stand obama has on fisa.
Of course there's a connection. He's a brown furriner, and he wants to stop the government from spying on all those brown furriners who are trying to attack us. Maybe he's secretly sympathizing with them.
I know it doesn't make sense, but that's the level of thinking we're dealing with among a lot of white people.
McCain doesn't even understand his own policy positions. His speech writers aren't any better No wonder Bush beat him.
He needs a whole team.
The general public doesn't understand a thing about the FISA bill. They've been misled completely by the administration and the media. They need to be educated and right now they don't know dick about it.
sue
20 percent of the public believes that the sun revolves around the earth.
Good luck with an "education campaign." Oooh, look! Mike Meyers movie! Celebrate the stoopit!
hey, lubyanka!
GO DIE IN IRAQ, you dumb republican piece of shit. good riddance in advance, and we're all going to fuck your widow.
He needs a whole team.
Shit, he needs a whole army of janitors to clean up this fuckin mess!
You know what inspires people? Someone who does not yet hold the reins of power and actually stands to lose something sticking his neck out to do the right thing and demanding that his colleagues also do the right thing and damn the consequences.
Anything short of that is the politics of same-old same-old, IMO.
Sorry Hillary lost, JeffCO... but do you want President McCain? Sure sounds like it. Maybe Obama should just set himself on fire in front of the Capitol Bldg. to prove his purity.
A united group of dems needs to start a campaign to explain WHY the bill is so bad. Obama can't do it all by himself. He's hanging out there like a quarterback with no protection.
The public, by and large, doesn't want to take the time to listen to the explanation.
By contrast, if Obama had said, "I'm not voting for this bill because it's badly written and harmful to Americans. I'm going to work to defeat it and bring the telephone companies and the Bush administration to justice," what would the effect of that have been (other than giving a few fatcats some ventricular fibrillation)?
A woman makes a ridiculous argument and you talk about her hair and the quality of her voice? Sexism is alive and well - and apparently never learns.
lynn
So a person has a very odd hairstyle or voice, but because the person is a woman such comments are automatically sexism?
Please try again.
To comment on the hair or voice because she is a woman, or more importantly, not fitting a preconcieved notion of womanhood, is sexism.
Just because sexists have used comments on hair and dress to slam women doesn't make any such comments sexist for all time--it's the intention of the sexist that is the issue.
This goes for all the ism's used to beat folks about the head until they learn never to speak a coherent thought again.
If you then think the idea I just put forth is wrong and that I don't "get it" because I am a man--that, too, is sexism.
If you disagree because you think I'm a fool...well that I can't dispute.
montag - maybe he'll do just that when he speaks during the senate vote?
on FISA and war funding bills, Congressional Dimocrats again turn their swollen purple baboon-asses towards hapless, helplessly twittering "progressives" looking on...
the humanity!
the horror!
the hilarity....
But that's what's most fucked up about the fact the Dems caved on this. There would have been absolutely NO political downside to fighting Bush at this point. They're going to win in November by huge and historic margins. But they caved anyway.
steve hüssein™ simels
I'm not saying I disagree with you, just trying to think of it from different perspectives. The issue is a difficult one to argue against in campaign soundbites, while arguing for is easy -- national security terror terror terror.
So if you're trying to decide what the issues for the campaign will be this might not be at the top of your list.
I think Obama really does want to win this by a landslide with long, long coattails so he has the capital to charge in with the changes he wants us to help make. The more non-Blue Dog Dems elected, the less power the Blue Doggers have but they're treated respectfully to persuade them to reach consensus on imperative change.
I'm a big supporter of Obama's new cooperative model of politics. But that doesn't mean you don't try to weight the voices at the table in different ways.
.
I heard on one of the talking head shows yesterday that Blue Dogs put a lot of pressure on the pass the FISA bill because they're facing tough opposition in the upcoming elections.
I'd like any of them to show one shred of evidence that a single goddam vote will be cast *for* them on the basis of this pusillanimous FISA legislation. OTOH, they are alienating their base and reinforcing the GOP frame that Dems are soft on terror. If they're plaing defense, they're fucking losing.
That's why Obama gets no pass from me on not stepping up and cracking heads together on this. Hint: The GOP will say if he is elected, everyone is gonna die, no matter what the fuck he or any other Dem does. So quit deferring the 20%ers and represent the goddam 80% of the country that has steam coming out of its ears over these motherfucking assholes who drove us off the cliff.
Awesome Owls.
montag - maybe he'll do just that when he speaks during the senate vote?
Then the `pugs will begin the flip-flopper routine.
He's already said he's going to vote for the FISA provisions, and has only said that he wishes to remove the immunity provisions.
The immunity provision is only one part of many that make this a very bad bill.
Sorry Hillary lost, JeffCO... but do you want President McCain? Sure sounds like it.
Your concern for my political support is noted.
nutroot imbeciles: "Frog-march the phone companies!"
meanwhile, don't forget those crazed ChristoFascists lurking under your hemp futons, recording...everything...
I'd like any of them to show one shred of evidence that a single goddam vote will be cast *for* them on the basis of this pusillanimous FISA legislation....
JeffCO
In a word...Ka-CHING!
blue dogs are facing pressure.....
so they need to say: this isnt about national security and listening in to ugga bugga calling from Syria to Pakistan, we fixed that.
This is about George Bush giving a pass to big telco corporations so they wont tell about his law breaking.
Simels--the saddest thing to me;
When Nixon was president, Democrats didnt help him cover up his crimes, they exposed them.
Sadly, half the current Democratic Party in Congress would have been Goopers in 1973.
meanwhile, don't forget those crazed ChristoFascists lurking under your hemp futons, recording...everything...
Lubyanka | 06.21.08 - 1:46 pm | #
So Brian -- you still haven't said how you liked my tribute to you over at the homepage.
I hope it wasn't too over the top. I mean, over the top like somebody posting your phone number here...that would suck if somebody did that.
That columnist, Salena Zito, ain't a woman. Look closely.
WE'RE DOOOOOOOOMMMMMM'DDDDDDDD!!!!!
Zap Rowsdower...True Story
Are you by any chance wearing a yellow slicker? Riding a bicycle? If so, watch out for that clif....ooh, that's gotta hurt...
Too bad it's not 30 points, then the twit could be twice as happy.
Honestly - I thought you were exaggerating with the line "good news for Republicans". But it was literal.
Jesus.
"for the 15th time, I'm not stayingwith you. God damn cripple. I have to go cash my disability check"-John McCain to Carol McCain
In medical news, a new virus was discovered that somehow only effects Republicans and causes a horrendous and painful death. This is, obviously, good news for Republicans.
Instead of mobilizing to use the one political lever you have to get Obama to fight the FISA bill--the vaunted "grassroots" fundraising base that Obama is relying on instead of public financing--I see we're already back to complacently snarking about Republicans and the media that love them. What savvy activists.
Obama winning IS good news for Republicans--you won't get universal health care, withdrawal from Iraq, or accountability for Republican crimes (to pick only the most obvious looming betrayals from the Candidate of Hope), but it will all be on the Dems watch. PLUS they get to impeach him in the end. Public disgust with spineless Dems becomes the springboard to another majority in 2012. It's a win-win.
We write letters:
szito@tribweb.com
Granted that the election is not over, and could still go either way, but how Obama's lead becomes good news for the Repubs seems like a bit of a stretch, if not a completely mindless comparison.
Not a fan of Reagan but even he could only achieve W.'s levels of incompetence and duplicity in his nightmares. Fair to say that George the First benefitted from a lot of residual goodwill towards Reagan.
Dukakis also never replied to a single charge leveled against him. Obama is proving effective at that, at least.
A little perspective, please.
Best,
Tom
Phoenix, AZ
oh noes not a Dukakis bounce!!!
those are the WRST KIND!!1!
St. John is no St. Ronnie; Obama is no Dukakis. 2008 is not 1988. Obama in a landslide.
"After 9/11 we were all a little twitchy and would forgive a little over zealousness-however everyone seems to be forgetting that this illegal wiretapping began well before 9/11.
I'm guessing the folks running the White House are pushing for a back door way to escape being prosecuted for the pre-9/11 shit..." - doug r
I care about the end result of that far more than I care about Obama's vote the other day.
Maybe he's saving this as a defense against the inevitable "abuse of power" shrieking from the Right that will commence on Jan 21, 2009.
I'm more or less resigned to the fact that no one is going to prosecute the Bush admin for their crimes against humanity and the Constitution. It's not like Hillary would have done anything. I don't think Edwards would have, either.
Characters Remaining:
Commenting by HaloScan
