I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

GravatarMoe!


GravatarMore Moe!


GravatarMoe, Moe, Moe!


GravatarMoe run!


GravatarI'll read the post...


GravatarWhat's this, like six or something.


GravatarRepost for Gimlet:

How can light be refracted or "bent" by a prism when it has no mass?

Light is made of photons, which have characteristics of both particles and waves.

Please await Dr Derbes for further enlightenment. (I got out of my quantum mechanics class with a B- and my life).


GravatarI am grateful that being able to accuse me of antisemitism for not supporting Rapture militarism has stopped right-wingers from yelling at me about "the Jew York Times".

♪ProfWombat: You are now officially a Sideshow guest post.♪


GravatarI'll go alert the others.


Gravatarno mo moe


GravatarAvedon,
was that calypso?


GravatarFRIST!


GravatarMolly, I'm in the mood for a samba.


GravatarI think the link is Atriosed. Or the intertubes are just generally fucked. One or the other.


GravatarLink has been NTodd'd.


GravatarHey, we weren't done sputtering outrage downstairs.


GravatarI am so tired of leaving tasty treats on dying threads....


GravatarLink has been NTodd'd.

If it can be unTodded, it can be reTodded.


Gravatarduring a 2004 high school graduation ceremony, a pastor invited by the school board singled out Samantha Dobrich, the sole Jewish graduate.

While you're at it, pray for a low interest rate on the bonds the school district is going to have to issue to cover the civil suit.


GravatarI see Moe

I never see Larry or Curly but I see Moe.


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GravatarWhile you're at it, pray for a low interest rate on the bonds the school district is going to have to issue to cover the civil suit.
Dr. Wu


The families went for minimal monetary damages... they didn't want the students to suffer for the sins of the board.

However, during this whole process the board's insurer decided to sue them.

Hilarity.

But it's still fucking disgusting.


GravatarI never see Larry or Curly but I see Moe.

You've gotta head over to Jeffraham's joint, then.


GravatarBreast Self Exams! The first of the month is a perfect time to do them!


GravatarWilliam Walters says, "If the issue of plagiarism is so dear, and is the sole core of your intentions in exposing this matter, then you could have handled this privately"

That's some fine writing, there.


GravatarI am in the mood for Free Credit Report dot com bay-bee!


GravatarWhile you're at it, pray for a low interest rate on the bonds the school district is going to have to issue to cover the civil suit.

What the school district REALLY needs is a good Jew lawyer...


GravatarBreast Self Exams! The first of the month is a perfect time to do them!

And I hayulped!


GravatarVicki,

Are you an aunt?


Gravatar"If the issue of plagiarism is so dear, and is the sole core of your intentions in exposing this matter, then you could have handled this privately"

Well, the plagiarism wasn't private, you idjit.


Gravatarthen you could have handled this privately"


The plagarism was public. Why shouldn't the take-down be? This isn't some low-level clerk; this guy was the adviser to the president. If he can't stand the heat, he shouldn't get into the kitchen.


GravatarLight travels different speeds thru different media, hence refraction.
billy b


Light generally travels slower when passing through solid matter.
Richard


Then the speed of light is not a constant (E=MC^2)?


Gravatar/pours JR a Coke.


GravatarAre you an aunt?


Not yet, Hecate.

Last we heard was at 7:30 AM - she was dilated to 9 cm, and her water broke.

She went into the hospital for the third time around 3:30 AM, and was given an epidural. Dilated to 4 around that time.

I'm waiting for Nim to call, basically.

He asked me to post, so I got up in the middle of the night to provide details, and I've been trying to keep up with it by the minute, at least as much as I know.


GravatarHas Mukasy decided whether Roger Clemens has committed a crime and should be prosecuted?


GravatarI LIKE BREASTS!


GravatarThe muslims hate America only because what the lowlife liberals are exporting here and abroad. They hate the abominations I mentioned above.

Another rightwinger joins the Terrorists in their cause.


GravatarSo I guess Tim is really a stand-up guy, in the GOP way. After committing crimes for 7 years, he agrees that he should stop & be instantly forgiven?


GravatarHopefully they're savoring the golden moment, welcoming their babe. We can wait for the happy news.


GravatarNot only did he plagiarize, he plagiarized something stupid:

There have been many ways of answering the question: What is Europe? A handy way to think of the matter is the paradigm of “Athens” and “Jerusalem.” In this paradigm, those terms designate both the two cities we have all heard of but also two kinds of mind. The tradition designated “Athens” is associated with philosophy and with critical exercise of mind, with reason. The tradition associated with “Jerusalem” is associated with monotheism, with faith.

Ya know, Islamic culture owes just as much to Athens and Jerusalem as do those peoples up and over the other side of the Alps...


GravatarHe asked me to post, so I got up in the middle of the night to provide details, and I've been trying to keep up with it by the minute, at least as much as I know.

Golly...ain't that just like a man?

(seriously, I hope that you wished them health and happiness from all of us)


GravatarNo baby yet?

It's too warm and comfy in there.


GravatarOut of 38 columns, the paper identified 20 as containing plagarized passages.

I'd bitch about the referreeing, too...


GravatarThe plagarism was public.

And it also wasn't an isolated incident, but something he had done over and over again.

Everyone see how Kenosha Kid's discover of his stealing from Jonathan Yardley was referenced in the NYT article about Goeglein?


GravatarThen the speed of light is not a constant (E=MC^2)?

No, it's a speed limit, not an "always runs at full tilt" thing.


GravatarI might add, knowing Jen as well as I do, I can just imagine that this labor is going on far too long for our little princess baby. She's the youngest in the family, was always coddled by her six older siblings, and she's probably not accustomed to the slowness with which this event is proceeding.


GravatarAnd, of course, it always comes down to: "and, you're ugly" when there's a woman involved. Muslims really hate liberals, but they don't understand that. It's amazing how much hatred and stupidity are mixed together into a lethal combination in the rightwing's brain.


GravatarThen the speed of light is not a constant (E=MC^2)?

That's the speed of light in a vacuum. Actual results may vary.


GravatarFrom the "Reality has a well-known liberal bias" files...

John McCain comes out as an anti-vaxxer

"At a town hall meeting Friday in Texas, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., declared that "there’s strong evidence" that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative that was once in many childhood vaccines, is responsible for the increased diagnoses of autism in the U.S. -- a position in stark contrast with the view of the medical establishment."


GravatarThe muslims hate America only because what the lowlife liberals are exporting here and abroad. They hate the abominations I mentioned above.

Hollywood liberals wage war in the ME.


GravatarThen the speed of light is not a constant (E=MC^2)?


It is in a vacuum.


Gravatar"I'm just a cave man! Your 'first amendment' frightens me! Your 'journalistic ethics' are beyond the capacity of my premodern brain to comprehend!"


GravatarA WP article on Goeglein from just after the 2004 election...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...- 2004Dec23.html

Officially, Goeglein, a 40-year-old who looks as if he would be carded trying to buy a beer, is deputy director of the Office of Public Liaison, one of four White House political departments run by uberstrategist Karl Rove. Yet Goeglein's role is much more central to how this president operates -- and wins elections -- than the job title suggests, according to several Republicans outside and inside the White House.

It is Goeglein's job to make sure conservatives are happy, in the loop and getting their best ideas before the president and turned into laws. With Goeglein's assistance, Christian conservatives, for instance, were successful in lobbying Bush to push for abstinence-first funding to combat AIDs and speak out against the persecution of Christians in Sudan, according to Charles W. Colson, an evangelical Christian who works closely with Bush and Goeglein...

He assumed he was headed to the White House press shop after the election. But, he said, Rove phoned with an unexpected message: "I am calling to change your life." A few minutes later, Goeglein was Rove's right-hand man dealing with the political right. Goeglein plans to assume the same role in the second term. "I love people. I love policy, and I love politics."


GravatarBBC says tanker deal good!

The deal will also safeguard thousands of British aviation jobs, the BBC's Andy Moore says. Wings will be made at factories in Bristol and in North Wales.


GravatarWashington, DC (HNN) – On Friday, Feb. 29, 2008, Senator Jay Rockefeller, D-WV, released the following statement:

“Today, I’m proud to lend my support and strong endorsement to Barack Obama and his candidacy for President of the United States.

“Barack Obama is the most qualified person – Democrat or Republican – to lead our country in the face of enormous challenges – the very real threat of terrorism, economic uncertainty, and instability at home and abroad.

“Barack is committed to changing lives – and changing the landscape of West Virginia and America . He genuinely cares about people, and he will fight for all the things I have fought for my entire public career – health care for all, good-paying jobs, a strong manufacturing base, protecting senior’s retirement, and fighting terrorism.

“As Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I am all too aware that the threats we face are unconventional. They are sophisticated. They are constantly changing and adapting. And they are very serious. more.....

http://www.huntingtonnews.net/ po...ockefeller.html


GravatarThe links are totally Atriosed for me.


GravatarThe guy resigned? Good.

Who will be the liaison to religious groups now?

Barney?


GravatarTim, a husband and father of two, is now jobless.

Jack in the Box is hiring, I hear.


GravatarGood morning, gang. Just a drive-by, drawn in by that utterly insane batshit prose. Hilarious.

{{{{{ Vicki }}}}} -- you gonna be an aunt?!?


GravatarOne of the other commenters at Nall's site refers to plagiarism as a "thought crime".


GravatarHey Atrios,

Are you going to explain for us the impact of munis being worth more than treasuries?
http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/


GravatarThe answer to all of your math and science-y questions is:

It's a solvent.


GravatarThe most hilarious part of this whole situation is that the Bush White House was paying this twit $125K a year to plagiarize.

Think he'll fall upwards to the Heritage Foundation?

Does Rev. Hagee need a new "Special Assistant for Snake-Handling and Rapture Preparation?"


GravatarThis guy wasn't really so much a plagerizer as a xerox machine. He is a thief. If you see someone steal a car, do you call the police or sit down for a quiet chat.


Gravatarand her water broke.


Oh, baby will be here soon. Sending lots of good energy her direction. Babies do take their own sweet time.


GravatarNTodd sez:

I LIKE BREASTS!

Okay, then.


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GravatarOn Friday, Feb. 29, 2008, Senator Jay Rockefeller, D-WV, released the following statement...

It sure would make my day to see Obama release a statement that said "Thanks, but no thanks"...


GravatarIncredibly coherent in their incoherency. The coherent anti-light of stupidity, which I'm going to call...the Staser™, because...well, why the hell not?


GravatarMaybe if I make the effort to take a shower, Nim will call.



Doing my part to prompt the little liberal out of his hidey hole.


GravatarThe Muslims hate us for our taxes.

Buwahahahahahaha!


GravatarBose-Einstein condensates are pretty cool and can be used to slow light, among other things.


Gravatar You are not only in part responsible for Tim’s children being “un-provided for” - the greater collateral damage you intentionally created is solely your responsibility. That’s on you and no one else.

Certainly not on Tim Goeglein himself. Party of personal responsibility, bitches!

Oh, and like Wingnut Welfare will just throw Goeglein to the wolves. His next job is no doubt already set up.


GravatarWell that pretty much sums it up. It's all about Nambla


GravatarOne of the other commenters at Nall's site refers to plagiarism as a "thought crime".
MikeJ


How do these people keep breathing without constant reminders?


GravatarIt sure would make my day to see Obama release a statement that said "Thanks, but no thanks"...

Well, Timmeh made him do that with Farrakhan.


GravatarJay Rockefeller took time out from the important fight for telecom immunity to endorse Obama.

How sweet.


GravatarOnce the water breaks, they don't let you go too long.

But sometimes pushing takes a while.


GravatarAhhh, Nim's... what? Between this and several family members of friends, I've completely lost track of who's about to improve the gene pool.


GravatarTim, a husband and father of two, is now jobless.


You know, there are thousands of husbands and fathers of two who are now jobless, thanks to the policies advocated by this plagarising asshat, and they didn't steal other people's work. So I'm sorry that I don't feel too worked up. I guess he could have gotten extra unemployment, but the Republicans squashed that.


GravatarNTodd sez:

Bose-Einstein condensates are pretty cool and can be used to slow light, among other things.

Okay, then.


.


GravatarI'm glad somebody's taking a vacation.


GravatarA little baby song:

Wonderful baby
Living on love
The Sandman says maybe
He'll take you above
Up where the girls fly
On ribbons and bows
Where babies float by
Just counting their toes...
-Don McLean


GravatarThen the speed of light is not a constant (E=MC^2)?

Depends on if it's city or highway light


Gravatarer, how does water "break"?


GravatarWhy does Neil Clark Warren think I need his type of romance from E-Harmony?

God...that pisses me off. I get e-mail from them on an almost daily basis.


GravatarE = mc^2, so m = c^2/E. A photon has no _rest_ mass. If it's moving at the speed of light, it's got mass.
Dr. Wu


And the "light" that is not traveling at the speed of light and has NO mass - can't get out the gravitational field of a "black hole"?


GravatarBose-Einstein condensates are pretty cool and can be used to slow light, among other things.

yes, but can they make a nice roast?

and now, i go to the gym.


Gravatarer, how does water "break"?
Moe Szyslak, cold | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 11:31 am


Surface tension.
Ice cubes.
Glacier calving.
Water farts.
Okay, that was going too far.


GravatarOh, baby will be here soon. Sending lots of good energy her direction. Babies do take their own sweet time.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |


I think he didn't want to be born on February 29th. Being the only kid you knew who only had a "real" birthday every four years would be very saddening for a sensitive child.


GravatarI'm glad somebody's taking a vacation.

You know..........

Of all the dopiest pictures of him you've posted, that's one of the best. Kudos!


GravatarMoe, Moe, Moe!

In the midnight hour, with a rebel yell...


Gravatarer, how does water "break"?


Well, um, technically, it's not the water that breaks.


GravatarHere's an interesting phenomena...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_light
Slow light is the literal slowing of the speed of light. It is the propagation of an optical pulse or other modulation of an optical carrier at a very low group velocity. The term is usually only applied when the velocity is at least hundreds of times slower than the speed of light in a vacuum.

Researchers at the Rowland Institute for Science slowed light to 38 miles per hour in 1999,[1] and researchers at UC Berkeley slowed the speed of light traveling through a semiconductor to 6 miles per second in 2004. This was in an effort to develop computers that will use only a fraction of the energy of today's machines.[2]

In 2005, IBM created a microchip that can slow down light, claiming that its light-slowing device is the first to be fashioned out of fairly standard materials, potentially paving the way toward commercial adoption.[3]


Gravatar You are not only in part responsible for Tim’s children being “un-provided for” - the greater collateral damage you intentionally created is solely your responsibility. That’s on you and no one else.

Daddy shouldn't have plagiarized.

You do the crime; you do the time.

Wingnut welfare will kick in. Don't worry.


Gravatarer, how does water "break"?

It's a bag. The bag breaks; the water comes out.


GravatarThat's the speed of light in a vacuum. Actual results may vary.
Falstaff


As light passes through the prism, the higher frueqency light (violet) is refracted (bent when it slows) more than the lower frequency light (red) causing it to display the distinctive rainbow.


GravatarMake ém Laugh scene on right now on TCM.


GravatarWingnut welfare will kick in. Don't worry.

Oh yeah...he'll soon be, ahem, "writing" op-eds for the Center for the American Experiment.


GravatarYou are not only in part responsible for Tim’s children being “un-provided for” - the greater collateral damage you intentionally created is solely your responsibility. That’s on you and no one else.

What

The

Fuck

??????


Gravatarer, how does water "break"?

I'm no scientist, but...it makes sense to me that as the baby is ready to come out, it causes pressure in the amniotic sac, which "breaks."

Poor Jen, she's really been in slow labor since 5:30 AM yesterday. When I had Audrey, my pain was from 3:30 PM - 9:30 PM...that was it.


GravatarBut no matter what, it's always these rich, powerful, white, xian men who are the victims. Always.


GravatarI have a job suggestion for him:

Karl Rove's lawn boy.


GravatarSome people call it pregnancy.

I prefer the term "sperm poisoning".



GravatarAH IZ NEVER COMIN OUT


GravatarUhhh, who said jobs going to Mobile to Airbus deal good? Sessions, Bonner and a buncch of Southern GOP hacks.

Well here's your answer from the source:

Northrop Grumman, which is based in Los Angeles, estimates a Northrop/EADS win would produce 2,000 new jobs in Alabama.

Wow. About the same number of jobs as students in one average American high school.


GravatarIZ COMFY IN HERE


GravatarAH IZ NEVER COMIN OUT
The Baby


Good plan, it's nasty out here.


GravatarAH IZ NEVER COMIN OUT
The Baby




I'm saving that one for Nim!


GravatarI'm kinda in a general bookish way aware of the mechanics of child birth. (I have no interest in any greater familiarity with it.) I just find "the water breaks" an odd term.


GravatarIZ COMFY IN HERE


And, baby, it's cold outside.


GravatarWingnut welfare will kick in. Don't worry.
pie


pie you owe me a coke unless you were specifically agreeing with what I said, which technically releases you from said obligation.


GravatarYou are not only in part responsible for Tim’s children being “un-provided for” - the greater collateral damage you intentionally created is solely your responsibility. That’s on you and no one else.

What

The

Fuck

??????
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 11:34 a


Aw, c'mon, JR. You know that the two best games Repubs play besides Fear Everything are Blame Everyone and Take No Responsibility Yourself.


GravatarIn my memory sometimes it requires a metal probe like an ice pick to puncture it. It smarts. Now you boys know a lot.


Gravatar...how does water "break"?

Moe don't surf!


GravatarAw, c'mon, JR. You know that the two best games Repubs play besides Fear Everything are Blame Everyone and Take No Responsibility Yourself.
filkertom


I know, I know.

But that is so self-evidently stupid....


GravatarIZ COMFY IN HERE
The Baby


Homer Simpson did that bit in an episode, IIRC.

(sans the LOLbaby)


GravatarLA DI DA DI DA


GravatarI just find "the water breaks" an odd term.

Well, it's pretty messy.


GravatarI just find "the water breaks" an odd term.
Moe Szyslak, cold


Waves break.


GravatarIn my memory sometimes it requires a metal probe like an ice pick to puncture it. It smarts.

I would not let them do that to me, so they would not allow me to have a birthing room.

I wanted my childbirth as natural as possible.


GravatarI IS FURNISHING IN HERE

Got a nice recliner


GravatarI just find "the water breaks" an odd term.
Moe Szyslak


Welcome to English....


Gravatar
You do the crime; you do the time.


Keep your eyes on the sparrow, before the going gets narrow.


Gravataryou owe me a coke unless you were specifically agreeing with what I said, which technically releases you from said obligation.

After careful consideration, I find I do indeed owe you a coke.


GravatarI know, I know.

But that is so self-evidently stupid....
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 11:37 am


Yeah, but you just said the key word: "self-evident". That implies self-examination. Which these nits never do.


Gravatarwatertiger sez:

and now, i go to the gym.


Okay, then.


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GravatarKeep your eyes on the sparrow, before the going gets narrow.

And that's the name of THAT tune!


GravatarBreaker Breaker One-Nine, Baby, You got your ears on? What's your 20? Come on back.


Gravatar"I wanted my childbirth as natural as possible."

Mine was natural all right except for the ice pick--no anaesthetic at all.


GravatarHow do these people keep breathing without constant reminders?
JR, kerosene and a match


It's hate that keeps 'em running, and I don't mean that as a joke. It tickles their endorphins, gets 'em through the night. But not in an allright way... .


GravatarAnd, baby, it's cold outside.

Yep. Should have scheduled a summer birth.


GravatarFunny "Baretta" should come up... these guys are playing Dylan's "Simple Twist of Fate," and I've always thought the line about "he walks along with a parrot that talks" was a "Baretta" reference...


GravatarHas anyone ever noticed that Ann Althouse can sometimes say things that are just a tiny bit batty?


Gravatarhttp://www.theglobeandmail.com/s...fghanistan/ home

losing Afghanistan

G'morning all!


GravatarHomer Simpson did that bit in an episode, IIRC.

Baby Homer holding on to the umbilical cord trying desperately not to be expelled from the comfy womb.


GravatarOH NOES THEY IZ COMIN 2 GIT ME


GravatarHas anyone ever noticed that Ann Althouse can sometimes say things that are just a tiny bit batty?

It's part of her charm!


GravatarWell, it was just some goofy young resident who "wanted" to break my water, so that he could see how it was done. Fuck it. I refused to be a notch on the beltbuckle of Dweeby McHauser.

The water breaks on its own.


GravatarI suppose I baby conceived from a relationship that came from EschaCon and was formalized on an Eschaton post should, indeed, live-blog its own birth.


GravatarMine was natural all right except for the ice pick--no anaesthetic at all.

Yep.

With the 8YO and SP things started with the water breaking, but Rosie required the crochet hook.


GravatarAnd, baby, it's cold outside.

Yep. Should have scheduled a summer birth.
pie | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 11:40 am


But, oh-oh, those Summer Nights!

(Well-a, well-a, well-a, HUNH!)


GravatarGot a nice recliner
The Baby


Come out! We gotz ice cream! And sunrises! And we're gonna see what we can do about you having drinking water when you grow up!


GravatarI refused to be a notch on the beltbuckle of Dweeby McHauser.



GravatarSurface tension.

Quick, Filkertom...who wrote "Surface Tension"?
BLAAAAAATTTT!! Time's up!
No, I don't remember, either...


Gravatarthat's *a baby*.

simels regrets...


GravatarOH NOES THEY IZ COMIN 2 GIT ME
The Baby | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 11:40 am


"All right, Baby! This is the police! If you come out quietly, there won't be any trouble! Baby? We've got Father Nim here...."


GravatarTowards the end of a difficult labor, I'll spare the details, my resolve to do it naturally crumbled. Begging for drugs, I was told it was "too close to delivery."


GravatarHas anyone ever noticed that Ann Althouse can sometimes say things that are just a tiny bit batty?

That's up there with the Jose Padilla might blink secret messages bit.


GravatarI just want to point out: today's "batty" Altmouse item is tomorrow's top-rated diary at Orange Satan.

Keep an eye out for it!


GravatarFunny "Baretta" should come up... these guys are playing Dylan's "Simple Twist of Fate," and I've always thought the line about "he walks along with a parrot that talks" was a "Baretta" reference...
dave™©


Speaking of Simple Twist of Fate, I reference it in my song Lay Down.


GravatarAnother human baby?

Oh shit!


GravatarOkay, I'm gonna go get in the shower, which I trust will prompt Nim to call me (because the phone always rings when you're in the shower, right?).

So hopefully I'll have some news to report.


GravatarIZ HAPY

K THNX BAI


GravatarHey! Nim's on the phone!


GravatarTowards the end of a difficult labor, I'll spare the details, my resolve to do it naturally crumbled.


Pain is over-rated.


Gravatar(because the phone always rings when you're in the shower, right?)

Or, someone tries to stab you.

Humans are quirky that way.


GravatarHe assumed he was headed to the White House press shop after the election. But, he said, Rove phoned with an unexpected message: "I am calling to change your life." A few minutes later, Goeglein was Rove's right-hand man dealing with the political right. Goeglein plans to assume the same role in the second term. "I love people. I love policy, and I love politics."
Richard | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 11:27 am |


Why was a WH employee also a regular newspaper columnist?


GravatarYa gotta give me a CHANCE, Elmer! Are we talking the novel by Joanna Hines, the book of poetry by Elaine Equi, or the song by either Rupert Hine or Dungeon?

Why, yes, my Google Fu is superior.


GravatarIs somebody about to pop a kidling out of her vagina?

Oh, my.


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GravatarI had this baby in a different country and was so intimidated by the doctor and nurse ratchit I didn't say boo. If I had I believed I would have been put out on the curb. Nasty people they were. Women were cattle.


GravatarE = mc^2, so m = c^2/E. A photon has no _rest_ mass.

Isn't that because a photon has no rest? A photon that isn't moving doesn't exist yet, right?


GravatarIs somebody about to pop a kidling out of her vagina?

It's gonna be that "kid" from the Bugs Bunny cartoons that is actually a mobster.


GravatarIs somebody about to pop a kidling out of her vagina?


"Dropping the frog"


GravatarBaby Adam Alexander was born at 10:29 AM - 7 lbs, 12 ounces, 21" long, APGAR scores are at 9 - baby appears to be healthy.

Nim says he looks like a cone-headed alien!

Nim thinks he looks a little more like him!


GravatarHowever, during this whole process the board's insurer decided to sue them.

I should hope so. Public bodies carry insurance that indemnifies their officials against lawsuits arising from their official capacities, but criminal conduct is exempted. If I were that insurance company I'd be alleging plenty of criminal conduct, to wit, violation of plenty of civil rights and religious discrimination statutes. If I were the plaintiffs, I'd be doing everything I could to help them. Let the school board try to explain how they were acting in "good faith" (no pun intended) by engaging in conduct that was clearly religiously motivated in violation of state and federal law. Once the school board's carrier rolls over on them, you can sue the real culprits individually and see justice done.


GravatarOK, I lied.  The phone rang.

I've discovered Bush's one talent.

He can sweat in the shape of continents.


and NOW I go to the gym.


GravatarTrue story: there's a three-year waiting list to have a baby in the evil socialist Canadian hospitals.


GravatarJudge Reverses WikiLeaks Order
http:// tpmmuckraker.talkingpoint...leaks_order.php
Yeah, maybe that wasn't such a good idea after all.

From The New York Times:

A federal judge on Friday withdrew his earlier order disabling a Web site that allows the anonymous posting of documents to discourage unethical behavior in governments and corporations....

In reversing himself at a hearing here on Friday, Judge White acknowledged that the bank’s request posed serious First Amendment questions and might constitute unjustified prior restraint. He also appeared visibly frustrated that technology might have outrun the law and that, as a result, the court might not be able to rein in information once it had been disclosed online.

“We live in an age,” Judge White said, “when people can do some good things and people can do some terrible things without accountability necessarily in a court of law.”


And voila, WikiLeaks.org lives again. (Not that WikiLeaks, with a number of mirror sites, was ever really dead.) Apparently WikiLeaks never did get counsel, but the ACLU, EFF, and a variety of journalistic organizations stepped into the breach.

The Times piece gives the distinct impression that the judge had no idea what he was getting into when he granted Julius Baer's request to block access to WikiLeaks.org.


Gravatar(because the phone always rings when you're in the shower, right?)

Or, someone tries to stab you.

Humans are quirky that way.
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 11:44 am


One more girlfriend does that to me, I'm givin' up on wimmen.


GravatarBaby Adam Alexander was born at 10:29 AM - 7 lbs, 12 ounces, 21" long, APGAR scores are at 9 - baby appears to be healthy.

YAY!!!!!!!


GravatarIsn't that because a photon has no rest?

Photons never rest. They are very dedicated to their jobs.


GravatarWE GOTZ ATRIBABAYYYY!

WOOOOHOOOOOOO!


Pass on our love and hugs (as soon as they get the goo off)!


GravatarHoly moly. Look at this comment:

As far as the left’s failings, they can be summed up as, well, socialist, communist, and whatever TEARS at the positive social fabric of the family and America. Homosexuals, internet porn, NAMBLA, ACLU, Antichrist, Antichurch, Illegal alien amnesty-votes (for democrats), property tax increases, tax increases.

The muslims hate America only because what the lowlife liberals are exporting here and abroad. They hate the abominations I mentioned above. As far as I’m concerned, I would invite them in this country to take care of the left, if only the muslims were intelligent enough to identify what they hate is NOT all Americans but —Liberal americans.


Yikes. That one's off the rails.


GravatarYee haw!

Another Liberal!


GravatarWelcome to the world, Adam Alexander!


GravatarOnce the school board's carrier rolls over on them, you can sue the real culprits individually and see justice done.
Dr. Wu


it was the threat of the carrier rolling over on them that got heir fucking attention.


GravatarBaby! If you will come out, I will send your Auntie your natal chart! We Pisces need to stick together!


GravatarBaby Adam Alexander was born at 10:29 AM - 7 lbs, 12 ounces, 21" long, APGAR scores are at 9 - baby appears to be healthy.

Nim says he looks like a cone-headed alien!

Nim thinks he looks a little more like him!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 03.01.08 - 11:46 am


Whoo hoo! Congrats to all, and Welcome, Adam Alexander! We'll do our best to clean up the world by the time you need it.


GravatarThe Times piece gives the distinct impression that the judge had no idea what he was getting into when he granted Julius Baer's request to block access to WikiLeaks.org.
Richard


As evidenced by his order, which was something to the effect of "do that thing you do with the thing, you know, the domain thing, on the internets, to stop the big truck. Or something."


GravatarBaby Adam Alexander was born at 10:29 AM - 7 lbs, 12 ounces, 21" long, APGAR scores are at 9 - baby appears to be healthy

Adam, Namaste!


GravatarBaby Adam Alexander was born at 10:29 AM - 7 lbs, 12 ounces, 21" long, APGAR scores are at 9 - baby appears to be healthy.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!

CONGRATS TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED!


GravatarActually, I'm finding the "photon" discussion interesting.


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GravatarBaby Adam Alexander was born at 10:29 AM - 7 lbs, 12 ounces, 21" long, APGAR scores are at 9 - baby appears to be healthy.

Hurray!!!

Hugs and congratulations to the Hamhock family.


GravatarWe'll do our best to clean up the world by the time you need it.
filkertom


hard to do that when we keep adding more humans to it.


Gravatar(Auntie Virginia is a little verklempt.)


GravatarYikes. That one's off the rails.
pie | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 11:47 am


More like trying to balance on the rails on a bent unicycle with rusty gears and a flat tire.


GravatarNim says he looks like a cone-headed alien!

French?


GravatarNim says she pushed for over an hour. It was very intense and exhausting, but she feels better now, so he's relieved.

I need to talk to my mom to figure out when we'll drive up to see the little geezer!


Gravatarit was the threat of the carrier rolling over on them that got heir fucking attention.
JR, kerosene and a match


Nothing provides a constitutional "teaching moment" for an evangelical wingnut like the prospect of losing the McMansion.


GravatarYikes. That one's off the rails.
pie


I'm not convinced that that one was ever on the rails.


Gravatarso wait...it would've been alright to make TIM, FATHER OF TWO! jobless if it had been handled properly?


GravatarHow exciting Vicki!


GravatarCongrats to baby and parents. And aunts.


GravatarThe Atriots of Eschaton welcome Adam Alexander. May he thrive and bring joy and add to the chorus another voice of freedom. Mazeltov!


GravatarBaby Adam Alexander was born at 10:29 AM - 7 lbs, 12 ounces, 21" long, APGAR scores are at 9 - baby appears to be healthy.

Congrats. What the world needs is more level-headed liberals . . ..


GravatarLittle baby from Remulac.

Seriously, send best wishes from all of us, Vicki.




GravatarBaby Adam Alexander was born at 10:29 AM - 7 lbs, 12 ounces, 21" long, APGAR scores are at 9 - baby appears to be healthy.

Nim says he looks like a cone-headed alien!

Nim thinks he looks a little more like him!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 03.01.08 - 11:46 am |


WhooooHooo!


GravatarAH IZ NEVER COMIN OUT
The Baby


I think I said that. The doc said "haz forceps! U luze!1!"
To this day, I hate hats of all kinds. I can't keep a hardhat or welding hood on mah haid. You know how a welder nods his head, and the hood drops obediently into place? Mine drops to the floor. I can tighten it till my forehead bleeds, and it falls right off.
Should I sue?


GravatarNothing provides a constitutional "teaching moment" for an evangelical wingnut like the prospect of losing the McMansion.
Dr. Wu


As the punchline of the old joke goes: "First, you have to get his attention"


GravatarLight is made of photons, which have characteristics of both particles and waves.

Please await Dr Derbes for further enlightenment. (I got out of my quantum mechanics class with a B- and my life).
Gromit


First off, Richard is a real physicist, I think; my Ph.D's approaching the age of 30 now, and I haven't done actual research in a long time. Second, if Prof. Wombat doesn't know it, probably nobody does. But I'm happy to pitch in.

For the record, Feynman regarded his treatment of the index of refraction as the most difficult thing in his famous Lectures. It isn't simple, and I don't think I know enough about it to do this well. Without diagrams it's nearly impossible.

If light hits a transparent material ("medium" in the jargon) perpendicular to the surface, it doesn't refract; some light bounces straight back, and the rest just goes through.("refract" from the Latin to "bend back"; when the beam doesn't go straight is called "refraction".) If on the other hand the light is incident at an angle to the surface (oddly enough the tradition is to measure the angle with respect to the perpendicular, or "normal", to the surface), then the angle at which the light penetrates the surface is given by a law discovered about 1626 by the Dutch Willebrod Snel (one L.) This is known as Snell's Law;

n1 sin theta_1 = n2 sin theta_2

where n1 is the "index of refraction" of the first medium (often air, in which case n1 is 1.00+; vacuum is exactly 1) and n2 the index of refraction of the second medium (say, glass or something; typically 1.5+) The angles are those formed by a light ray with the normal to the surface of the interface between the air and the glass (or whatever.)

What is going on is the following very complicated thing. When the light encounters the electrons of the atoms, it is absorbed and reemitted many, many times. (The electric properties of metals thus make them non-transparent, in general.) The astonishing thing is that the net effect is to continue to move along in the same direction (at least most of the time) and to propagate through the new material in a straight line.

Finally, the really interesting thing (to me) is that the interaction with the electrons depends crucially on the color of the light; more energetic light (the blue end of the spectrum) interacts more with the electrons, and so consequently the blue bends more than the yellow, and the yellow bends more than the red. This is called "dispersion" and explains the prism's spreading out of the colors. I should mention that the index of refraction n turns out to be the ratio of the speed of light, c, in a vacuum to the speed of light in that medium, so you don't find n's less than one. This was brilliantly predicted by Pierre de Fermat, but the comment field of Haloscan is not long enough for me to tell you that story here.


GravatarNim says thanks to everyone for your care and support!

Virginia, I know...I'm a little emotional right now myself. This is the fifth baby delivered from an Olmstead daughter - between my two brothers, they have six. Two sisters never got pregnant.

Wild times.


GravatarAw, man, that's just so great. So glad I was here for it. I've gotta get to the day, folks. Many, many hugs all around, and love to Adam Alexander one mo' time!


GravatarCongrats. What the world needs is more level-headed liberals . . ..

Or cone-headed.


GravatarHooray for Adamhock of Liberty! And good job, Jen!


GravatarMazeltov! to Vicki's sister and Nim!

One more Blue voter, heh heh heh...


GravatarHas anyone ever noticed that Ann Althouse can sometimes say things that are just a tiny bit batty?

The next thing we know, you'll be suggesting that there may be a handful of officials in the Bush administration who are less than entirely competent.


Gravatarwatertiger, I shared your enthusiasm (and everyone else who commented) with him - he's truly grateful.

Nim is a wonderful guy and will make a great dad.

It was so cute during the pregnancy - he was reading literally every book he could get his hands on about pregnancy and childbirth.


GravatarVicki,

What city was Adam born in?


GravatarCongrats!

Did you ever notice that new parents will quote APGAR scores proudly? And speak somewhat pitiously to parents whose APGARs where lower.

"Only a 7?, but still he seems healthy."


GravatarAdam Alexander.

Very . . . patriotic!

laterz!


GravatarHecate, Adam was born in Traverse City, Michigan.


GravatarHecate, Adam was born in Traverse City, Michigan.


I'll email you his chart.


Gravatarwatertiger ~ his initials are AAR. As in Air America Radio!


GravatarBaby Adam Alexander was born at 10:29 AM - 7 lbs, 12 ounces, 21" long, APGAR scores are at 9 - baby appears to be healthy.

A blessing on your head - mazeltov! Mazeltov!


GravatarI'm silent.


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Gravatar"Only a 7?, but still he seems healthy."
Falstaff


Hey! We were happy to get up to a 7! My first daughter was born not breathing. Her 1 minute APGAR was a 3! Her 5 minute APGAR was a 7, which meant she was gonna live!!


GravatarThis was brilliantly predicted by Pierre de Fermat, but the comment field of Haloscan is not long enough for me to tell you that story here.

Oh bravo. But that's just a Theorem, you know! It could be microscopic imps!!!


Gravatarn1 sin theta_1 = n2 sin theta_2

Is that you, mimi?


GravatarI'll email you his chart.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator


You rock!

I'm sure that they will love it.

She saw a psychic about 5 years ago who told her that she had special powers and would give birth to a "pious" son. That always cracked me up, but Jen is quite psychic and lucky, so who knows?


GravatarYa gotta give me a CHANCE, Elmer! Are we talking the novel by Joanna Hines, the book of poetry by Elaine Equi, or the song by either Rupert Hine or Dungeon?

Why, yes, my Google Fu is superior.
filkertom


I'm remembering a short story about a sentient barely macroscopic life form in a puddle, or aomewhere.


GravatarNancy responds to Walter:

What you don’t understand, William, is that there is simply no way this could have been “handled privately.” Once a charge is made, it is the paper’s policy — and this is pretty standard across the industry — to handle their investigation publicly. Leo Morris explains on his blog:

When there is a charge of plagiarism, there is a protocol. We verify if the plagiarism happened. If it it’s a staff member who is guilty, the staff member is fired. If it is someone else (a letter-to-the-editor writer, for example), that person is banned from the page or the paper. We start examining everything else the person has written to see if there is an isolated problem or an extensive one. We apologize to readers.

Since we can’t send every reader a note via mail, it’s done in the paper, usually on the front page. Names are named, hands are washed.

I’m not responsible for Goeglein’s children being un-provided for. Their daddy is.


Heh.


GravatarWay to pile on Moe.


Gravatarwatertiger ~ his initials are AAR. As in Air America Radio!



how fitting!

again, mazel tov!  it's a happy day on Eschaton.


GravatarBut that's just a Theorem, you know! It could be microscopic imps!!!
catalexis


That's the Bush administration position, I think.


GravatarI bet you're proud of yourself.


GravatarI will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait.


GravatarWhat is going on is the following very complicated thing. When the light encounters the electrons of the atoms, it is absorbed and reemitted many, many times. (The electric properties of metals thus make them non-transparent, in general.) The astonishing thing is that the net effect is to continue to move along in the same direction (at least most of the time) and to propagate through the new material in a straight line.

I have now officially learned my new thing for the day, for probably a week.

That is pretty damned interesting. Thanks!


GravatarSo from Atrios' post, it seems conservatives want to protect cheaters, and those who expose them are tearing at the fabric of American life?

Up is down, white is black, good is bad.

Only in loopy conservative minds would they equate the exposure of cheating and dishonesty as evil.

Whew.


GravatarI’m not responsible for Goeglein’s children being un-provided for. Their daddy is.

Wa-PISH!


GravatarWhen the light encounters the electrons of the atoms, it is absorbed and reemitted many, many times.
David Derbes, writin' away


No "mass" in your explanation.

Why doesn't light escape from a "black hole" if gravity has an action only on mass?


Gravatar"The first shall be last and the last shall be first."


GravatarI’m not responsible for Goeglein’s children being un-provided for.

I'm sure plenty of wingnut welfare will be forthcoming. It always is.


GravatarCongratulations, Nim & Jen & Aunt Vicki and AA!


GravatarCongratulations to Nim, Jen, Adam and family. A home filled with love (and a very big online cheering section) bodes well for a happy future.

And now, my 5 and 7 years post-natals are calling out for food. So I'm off to put some on them!


Gravatarer, William.


GravatarBaby Adam Alexander was born at 10:29 AM - 7 lbs, 12 ounces, 21" long, APGAR scores are at 9

How're his SATs? Gotta look ahead...


Gravatar(I can't help it) if someone can send me a peer-reviewed study on astrology I'd be much appreciated.

No?


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GravatarHmm. "eff," as in eff-ing wacko?


GravatarWhy doesn't light escape from a "black hole" if gravity has an action only on mass?
Gimlet


If it's light it's made up of photons. If it's a photon, it's moving, and it's got mass. If it stops moving, it's no longer there. Pass the bong.


GravatarFrom previous thread:
So the Attorney General doesn't think following the law is especially important.

I am so old I remember writing my Senators and Reid that confirming this guy was a bad idea.


GravatarHey Jen? Nim?















We know what you did...


GravatarAnd congrats to Nim, Jen and Vicki--just read upthread!

Yay!


Gravatar(The electric properties of metals thus make them non-transparent, in general.)

So, wait: How does this work? The photons get sucked into the metal? Or what?

If you can explain it in terms I'm likely to grasp, that is.


Gravatar(I can't help it) if someone can send me a peer-reviewed study on astrology I'd be much appreciated.


There's lots of perr-reviewed studies of astrology.

They all say it's horseshit.


GravatarOr cone-headed.
pie


Hey!


GravatarLight has mass. The distinction that our senses tell us exists between matter and energy is not real.


GravatarI guess Robert was negatively influenced while a guest chef at the White House:

New York -- Robert Irvine, host of the popular Food Network series "Dinner Impossible," has lost his job following allegations that he padded his resume.

Irvine had claimed that he helped design Princess Diana's wedding cake, worked at the White House and graduated from the University of Leeds. But an article was published in the St. Petersburg Times last week that cast doubt on his claims.


GravatarWay to pile on Moe.
Shared Humanity


Huh?


Gravatar Diabetes Forecast has a great article this month on dogs able to sense both hyper- and hypo-glycemia in diabetics.


GravatarThere's lots of perr-reviewed studies of astrology.

They all say it's horseshit.


You're no fun.


Gravatarwould give birth to a "pious" son.

Check the chart I just emailed to you. With a combination of Pisces and Sag, he could well be pious, in a v. good way.


GravatarIf someone's belief system doesn't affect you, what point is there n being a dick and debunking it?


I think I just answered my own question.


GravatarAlso born this day:

1810 - Frédéric Chopin, composer, pianist
1904 - Glenn Miller, bandleader, muscian
1910 - David Niven, suave actor
1914 - Harry Caray, sportscaster, fan of the Sun
1914 - Ralph Ellison, American writer
1922 - Yitzhak Rabin, Prime Minister of Israel
1927 - Harry Belafonte, singer and activist
1927 - Robert Bork, a large spider
1944 - Roger Daltrey, singer, microphone twirler
1954 - Ron Howard, actor, director


GravatarIf it stops moving, it's no longer there. Pass the bong.
Dr. Wu


Where do photons go when they "die"?


GravatarHuh?




Late to thread and noticed your attempts to replace TKK. Just poking fun in an awkward sort of way.


Gravatar1810 - Frédéric Chopin, composer, pianist

Of Choppin' Broccoli fame.


Gravatar1927 - Robert Bork, a large spider


Green tea >>>>>>> Monitor.


GravatarSo, wait: How does this work? The photons get sucked into the metal? Or what?

Because of the way the electrons are arranged in the metal the photons bang into the electrons in the metal, stop, and give off energy which turns into heat. Therefore you can't see the sun through the roof of your car, but it gets pretty hot.


GravatarThere's lots of perr-reviewed studies of astrology.

They all say it's horseshit

That's because the papers were written while the Earth and Moon were in transit...




GravatarThere's lots of perr-reviewed studies of astrology.

They all say it's horseshit.


And they're free to ignore it.


GravatarCongrats. What the world needs is more level-headed liberals . . ..

Or cone-headed.


The kid is already miles ahead of Preznit Dipshit.

Adam Alexander . . . why am I sensing an "Adam Ant" nik in the future?


GravatarWhy doesn't light escape from a "black hole"

Space is moving too fast. Think Cosmic Treadmill. Light has a speed limit, Space doesn't. Or, if it does, it's higher.


Gravatar
Where do photons go when they "die"?


Photon heaven?


GravatarOf Choppin' Broccoli fame.

Heh.


GravatarWhere do photons go when they "die"?
Gimlet


They are converted to energy, or they go to photon heaven, depending on whether they are reality-based photons or Republican photons.


GravatarLong labors generally lead to coneheads. He'll round out.


GravatarWell, I don't understand how astrology is supposed to work, but it's not worth arguing about or anything, especially since Hecate showed us some great breasts today.


GravatarJust a quick drive-by, but I found what I was hoping to find, that Nim and Jen's son finally made an appearance.

Blessings on him and his family, and may he bring blessings to the rest of the world.


GravatarTherefore you can't see the sun through the roof of your car, but it gets pretty hot.
Dr. Wu


It's so funny; I never thought about it any further than "glass is transparent and metal is opaque."

This is the most interesting place on Earth, I swear . . .


GravatarYou're no fun.
pie


Only if you think that dishonesty is "fun".

If someone's belief system doesn't affect you, what point is there n being a dick and debunking it?
Molly Ivors


See above


GravatarCue the Cosmic Muffin in 3...2...1


GravatarCheck the chart I just emailed to you. With a combination of Pisces and Sag, he could well be pious, in a v. good way.


I just did! I love it! I was talking to my mom, and I read it to her! Made her feel good.

It's a nice chart, and I like the sensitivity and energy that I'm reading about.


Gravatar
First off, Richard is a real physicist, I think


I think so too.

With regards to metals, Their index of refraction is complex, so light generally only penetrates a short distance into it, the skin depth...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_depth


Gravatar1927 - Robert Bork, a large festering turd

Flushed your trash


GravatarFer crap's sake...


GravatarI'll also note that it's interesting to assume that since this guy is out of a job (coughwaitingforfoxtocallcough)his kids are going to starve. Doesn't his wife work? In most of America, people with two children both work to make ends meet.


GravatarBTW, I saw a Whole-Wheat Boboli at the Market. This gives me ideas for pizza for a diabetic.


GravatarThey had a video on MSNBC this week showing the first view of actual electrons ever captured on camera. I totally didn't understand what I was looking at.


GravatarWhere do photons go when they "die"?

Photon heaven?
Molly Ivors


Only if they are "good" and have been "born again".

Is this an exception to the generally accept law of conservation of mass and energy?


Gravatar"You are not only in part responsible for Tim’s children being “un-provided for”


THEY don't give a damn about OTHER people's kids.

Perhaps he should have thought about his kids before he did wrong.


GravatarIf someone's belief system doesn't affect you, what point is there n being a dick and debunking it?

To astrology's credit, no school board of which I am aware has sponsored an astrologer to speak at a commencement ceremony with the intent of intimidating non-astrologers.

If it were to happen, however, it would probably happen in California.


GravatarThat's because the papers were written while the Earth and Moon were in transit...

George Johnston


That would have been funnier as "mercury in retrograde".


GravatarWhy doesn't light escape from a "black hole"

I can see Condi just fine--


GravatarWell, I don't understand how astrology is supposed to work, but it's not worth arguing about or anything, especially since Hecate showed us some great breasts today.
Moe Szyslak, cold


Always said Moe was the smart Stooge...


GravatarThe snow has started.


Gravatarglass has many properties of a liquid we can't see moving.


GravatarSo since Atrios was instrumental in getting the proud parents to walk down the aisle, is he now officially "Unky Dunky"?


GravatarWilliam's not listening apparently:

William Walters Says:

March 1st, 2008 at 11:01 am
Nancy you wrote: “Once a charge is made.” Indeed, once a charge is made publicly. And you are the one who gleefully made it public.

Did you bring this to the White House privately? Obviously not. Did you bring this to Tim’s attention privately? Obviously not. You executed him publicly with your own self-serving intentions in mind. Could you have forced his resignation privately - indeed you could have. You are not only in part responsible for Tim’s children being “un-provided for” - the greater collateral damage you intentionally created is solely your responsibility. That’s on you and no one else. Now that names were named you want to wash your hands. As I said before - shameful.

William Walters


Gravatar"The muslims hate America only because what the lowlife liberals are exporting here and abroad."


Sounds like this rightard read Dinesh D'Douchebag's book.

Isn't that the kind of nonsense HE spouts?


Gravatar
Always said Moe was the smart Stooge...


Moe is their leader./homer


GravatarI dunno, JR. I'm intuitive, and I tend to think that there is something to astrology, metaphysics, universal karma - like that.

I see it as energy. I know, I'm not providing scientific evidence, but there's something extra-sensory about intuition and perception that you can't pin down.

Granted, I write this knowing that you think I'm full of shit, but I'm okay with that.


GravatarHecate:

Sept. 19 1964.

~4.30 pm (est)

(Yeah, I know what I'm doing here.)


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GravatarWhy doesn't light escape from a "black hole" if gravity has an action only on mass?
Gimlet


Sure, no problem.

The Newtonian picture of gravity is that mass here attracts mass over there. It's an excellent description and it works spectacularly well in most cases of interest. But it isn't the full story (and we may never have the full story.)

The Einstein picture of gravity is that gravity isn't exactly a force. However, particle physicists like to think in terms of forces anyway, and so their view is that gravity "couples" to a thing called the "energy momentum tensor". Let me spare you the jargon: anything with either energy or mass experiences a gravitational pull. This was very spectacularly confirmed by the 1919 solar eclipse measurements taken by Arthur Eddington and colleagues; any decent book on Einstein or relativity will tell you the details (probably also at Wikipedia.) Light does not have "rest mass", meaning, if you were to catch up with it (which, frankly, you cannot), and sit it down on a scale, it would read... nothing. The concept of "rest mass" is what the mathematicians call "ill-defined" with respect to light; the simple thing is to assign it a value of zero. However, light has energy which acts exactly like mass, and which, if absorbed, actually increases the mass of an object! This was shown brilliantly and simply by Einstein in his epoch-making article (published in 1906), "Does the inertia of a body depend on its energy content"? The math of this article is about ninth grade, and I kid you not. It is probably on the web.

Oh, interesting fact: light itself exerts gravity. However, (and maybe not even Prof. Wombat knows this), a bizarre thing: two beams of parallel light sent off next to each other do NOT exert a gravitational pull on each other! This was shown by R.C. Tolman about 1927 or so.


GravatarAwww...

A bankruptcy judge on Friday rejected almost $4.3 million in "success fees" for consultants in the Northwest Airlines bankruptcy, saying they were paid well enough for their work without the bonuses.

Lazard Freres & Co. and FTI Consulting, Inc. both worked as financial advisors to the Committee of Unsecured Creditors in Northwest's case. The airline emerged from bankruptcy protection on May 31.

Lazard got $5.6 million in fees and expenses. But it wanted another $3.25 million as a "completion fee." FTI got almost $7 million in fees and expenses and sought another $1 million completion fee (down from a $1.5 million fee it originally sought.)


GravatarOnly if you think that dishonesty is "fun".

Okay, Plato.


GravatarOk, I am totally sorry for starting a fight about astrology. I find it fun and interesting, but certainly don't mean to give offense to the more rationally-minded folks here.


GravatarAnd they're free to ignore it.
Hecate


And when the POTUS (Reagan) makes decisions based on astrology, that makes it more than a private belief.


GravatarDid you bring this to the White House privately?

Psssst, George!

[whispers]

that war thing, man, that's really stupid.


GravatarI'll also note that it's interesting to assume that since this guy is out of a job (coughwaitingforfoxtocallcough)his kids are going to starve.

He couldn't start a savings account with that $120k/yr salary?


GravatarThey are converted to energy,...
Dr. Wu


If E=MC^2 then a slow-moving photon can't go to an all energy state.


GravatarBTW, I saw a Whole-Wheat Boboli at the Market.



We're going to have to create museums for those things, so that our children will know what they were.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/ar...7/ wheat1107.htm


U.S. wheat supply at 60 year low.


GravatarVicki:

Congratulations to Nim, Jen and you!


GravatarPeople get all het up about astrology when Colin Powell's and Chimpy's speeches are much more full of bunk.


GravatarHecate:

Sept. 19 1964.

~4.30 pm (est)


spork,

What city?


GravatarSo since Atrios was instrumental in getting the proud parents to walk down the aisle, is he now officially "Unky Dunky"?



I think it's fair to say that he can assume ownership of that term.



This is Nim's parents' first grandchild...they are beyond happy.


GravatarOnly if they are "good" and have been "born again".

Is this an exception to the generally accept law of conservation of mass and energy?
Gimlet


We await the grand unified theory that can reconcile physics, religion, and a body of animated work involving a certain canine pursuing a certain flightless fowl through the southwestern United States.


GravatarThey all say it's horseshit.

Your concern is noted.


GravatarThe snow has started.
The snow continues across the gulf.


GravatarSingin in the
rain is the best thing on
tv right now.


GravatarOk, I am totally sorry for starting a fight about astrology.

Show us your tits!


GravatarThanks Terry, I'll share your congratulations with Nim.


GravatarAnd when the POTUS (Reagan) makes decisions based on astrology, that makes it more than a private belief.
JR, kerosene and a match


That whole episode didn't amuse me in the least. A hair-trigger US President getting funny in the head made me kind of edgy.


GravatarGranted, I write this knowing that you think I'm full of shit,
Vicki


yeah, I do.

The non-existant *is* hard to pin down, innit?


GravatarWith regards to metals, Their index of refraction is complex, so light generally only penetrates a short distance into it, the skin depth...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_depth
Richard


Right, but the complex origin of n in metals is a consequence of Maxwell, I think, or more accurately the boundary conditions that you have to impose in solving them across the metal-air (or whatever) boundary.


GravatarDid you bring this to the White House privately? Obviously not. Did you bring this to Tim’s attention privately? Obviously not.



If the shoe was on the other foot and a Democrat was the one who'd done wrong, would the Repukes want it kept private????


GravatarSingin in the
rain is the best thing on
tv right now.


That's true whenever it's on!


GravatarOkay, Plato.

JR, I'll bet you're the life of the party.

Lighten up.


GravatarPeople get all het up about astrology when Colin Powell's and Chimpy's speeches are much more full of bunk.
George Johnston


I see it as closely related phenomenon.


GravatarCNNN: Rhode Island is a must win for Clinton.

Rhode Island?


GravatarMore to the point, if it was "dealt with privately," all the bullshit columns would still be in the public record, with his name on them as author.


GravatarBTW, if you want to study something that's completely wacky and seems to have absolutely no basis in reality, try quantum physics.

Makes astrology look mind-numbingly rational...


GravatarJR would never have me as his wife. Why, write now, I'm in the process of having an expert read my numerology chart, and I'm very much looking forward to what her intuition and her guides have to say!


GravatarDid you bring this to the White House privately?

SO YOU WOULDN'T EMBARRASS THE PRESIDENT AGAIN.


Dumbass.


GravatarWhat city?

Pittsburgh, PA. Mercy Hospitable.


.


Gravatar
Is this an exception to the generally accept law of conservation of mass and energy?


No. When photons get absorbed, they give up their energy to what absorbs them. Electrons in atoms that absorb a photon will make a transition to a higher energy level. When they eventually relax back into their original state, they emit a photon with the same energy.


GravatarFor what it is worth: I am skeptical about astrology, but so what? It doesn't seem to have hurt anybody, which is more than I can say of most things (sadly including physics), and it has helped many.

Johannes Kepler was a staunch believer in astrology, and seems to have been very good at it.


GravatarJR, I'll bet you're the life of the party.

pie


Guess what, I am.

When are you going to "lighten up" about the fundagelicals?

It really does depend on whose ox is being gored.


Gravatarwrite now
D'oh.

Right now.

I'm tired because I didn't sleep.

Simels and res ipsa regret...yadda yadda yadda


GravatarI agree with Jr. Astrology is of the devil. Just like gambling.


GravatarWell, I'm happy about the baby, fascinated by the light discussion, and generally in a wonderful mood, but I have to clean this filthy house before some guests collide with the disaster, so I'm off.

Lovin' y'all madly!

*MWHA!*


GravatarI'm at work and had to take a call- did the baby get here finally?


Gravatar...if it was "dealt with privately," all the bullshit columns would still be in the public record, with his name on them as author.

Interesting how the small-market papers deal so swiftly and effectively with this.

For some reason, I can't see the New York Times or the Washington Post dealing with one of their "columnists" in a similar fashion...


GravatarIf E=MC^2 then a slow-moving photon can't go to an all energy state.
Gimlet


I lied...a photon doesn't really have mass, it kinda has energy that acts like mass. If I were a physicist, I could explain it in a better way that still nobody would understand. How about if we talk about something else now?


GravatarI'm tired because I didn't sleep

That would follow, yes.


.


GravatarThe baby is here. Scroll upthread.


GravatarI didn't realize wingnuts were such pussies:

William Walters Says:

March 1st, 2008 at 11:21 am
To jcburns:

I am not defending Tim’s plagiarism. Neither is Tim. Neither is the White House. Tim immediately took full responsibility for his actions. He extended his apologies. He immediately resigned his position. The White House agreed.

I am condemning the obvious “blood lust” which was brought to bear in bringing his about his resignation. It is shameful.

William Walters


Well, yes I did.


Gravatarvirgotex,
Yes!


GravatarTCM has some good movies on all day today.


GravatarBaby Adam Alexander was born at 10:29 AM - 7 lbs, 12 ounces, 21" long, APGAR scores are at 9 - baby appears to be healthy.

Nim says he looks like a cone-headed alien!

Nim thinks he looks a little more like him!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 03.01.08 - 11:46 am | #


CONGRATULATIONS JEN AND NIM
AND AUNTIE VICKI


GravatarHere's my deal with Reagan and Bush II. When really, really important shit was going down, the implications had to be slowly explained to those clowns.

I didn't get that vibe with Dems at the helm.


GravatarAstrology does hurt people. It takes their money and if they believe everything they are told, it takes their free will away and they just sit there waiting for whatever to happen.


GravatarThat would follow, yes.



You never fail to crack me up.


GravatarWhat possible justification could there be for dealing with the shameful public behavior of a Bush political appointee privately? Are there wingnut legions standing up and applauding that yet another in a long line of talentless, plagiarizing hacks in their ranks has been exposed? What does Benji have to say?


GravatarJR would never have me as his wife. Why, write now, I'm in the process of having an expert read my numerology chart, and I'm very much looking forward to what her intuition and her guides have to say!

If you roll and eight the first time and then it comes up seven on the next roll, that's bad. I learned that bit of numerology from Bill Bennett.
.


GravatarERIN PDX got a special present on HER BIRTHDAY!


GravatarCNNN: Rhode Island is a must win for Clinton.

Rhode Island?


"As goes Rhode Island, so goes the Great Ghost of Providence and all his creations. Don't fuck with us!"

I'm The Great Cthulhu, and I approve this message.


GravatarMazel tov!


And fer the record, not that the hater-poster cares, Nancy did email the editor of the paper (her former employer) the night before she posted about Goeglein.


Gravatar I'm very much looking forward to what her intuition and her guides have to say!

Magic 8-Ball says: it's pretty interesting!


GravatarI agree with Jr.
annie


Wanna bet?


GravatarReligion, in general does hurt some people. It takes their money and if they believe everything they are told, it takes their free will away and they just sit there waiting for whatever to happen.

Flung yer tinderbox, Butler.


Gravatarspork

Pls send me an e-mail at hecate demetersdatter at hotmail dot com and I'll email you your chart.


Gravatar"The muslims hate America only because what the lowlife liberals are exporting here and abroad. They hate the abominations I mentioned above."


RIGHT - so if the US became a Christian theocracies where only white Christian males had any right, the turrists would leave us alone.


"As far as I’m concerned, I would invite them in this country to take care of the left,


Since you lack the STONES to do your OWN dirty work.


"if only the muslims were intelligent enough to identify what they hate is NOT all Americans but —Liberal americans."

This doesn't even make sense, but we're dealing with rightards here and they're not familiar with common sense and logic.


GravatarIt's also my favorite cousin's birthday, Vicki. He posts at WhiskeyFire as Jake T. Snake.


GravatarWhen are you going to "lighten up" about the fundagelicals?

They gore themselves, actually.

Boy, we are touchy, aren't we.

It's okay, really.


GravatarTheocracy, not theocracies.


GravatarAs far as the left’s failings, they can be summed up as, well, socialist, communist, and whatever TEARS at the positive social fabric of the family and America. Homosexuals, internet porn, NAMBLA, ACLU, Antichrist, Antichurch, Illegal alien amnesty-votes (for democrats), property tax increases, tax increases.


He reads this repeatedly, while someone else splashes you with Holy Watrrr and yells "THE POWRRR OF SNARK COMPELS YOU!"


GravatarMagic 8-Ball says: it's pretty interesting!
dave™©


Really?!!! In a good way?!!!

Oh please please please please please!


GravatarAstrology does hurt people. It takes their money and if they believe everything they are told, it takes their free will away and they just sit there waiting for whatever to happen.
annie


Sorry, but I don't think astrology can be blamed for people behaving foolishly.

People do dumb things with and without the aid of assistance.


GravatarWhen are you going to "lighten up" about the fundagelicals?

It really does depend on whose ox is being gored.
JR, kerosene and a match


OK, this last thing:

JR, no one is trying to shove astrology down your throat the way the fundies are trying to take over the secular world. I'm as skeptical as the next person, even if the next person is you, but I don't see the payoff in your being a dick about Hecate making what is to her a kind offer that is received in the spirit by Vicki. It doesn't concern you. It's really unnecessary for you to go out of your way to piss in that particular punchbowl.

Maybe there's something wrong with your aura today


Gravatar
If E=MC^2


You can't apply that to photons.

E=h*nu, where h is Planck's constant and nu is the frequency.


GravatarIt's also my favorite cousin's birthday, Vicki. He posts at WhiskeyFire as Jake T. Snake

Cool! It's also my favorite female Oregonian's birthday today - the pretty flutist with an airport designation behind her name!


GravatarOk, I am totally sorry for starting a fight about astrology. I find it fun and interesting, but certainly don't mean to give offense to the more rationally-minded folks here.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 12:10 pm


I find it fun. And as a Cub fan, I certainly can't be considered 'rational-minded'.


GravatarReally?!!! In a good way?!!!

I'll have to ask my guides.

Eeenie meenie chili beanie... the spirits are about to speak!


GravatarReligion, in general does hurt some people. It takes their money and if they believe everything they are told, it takes their free will away and they just sit there waiting for whatever to happen.



Absolutely correct.

And some religions tell them that people who believe in different religions or no religion at all are less than human and, thus, should not be entitled to civil rights.


Gravatar*sigh*

I love V4V.


GravatarAstrology does hurt people.......




????????????? What a pecualiar statement. A subject matter (being inanimate) cannot hurt people. We choose our misery.

Who of us has not run into a person who seems to have everything working against them and yet they keep an amazingly good natured view of life?


GravatarI am condemning the obvious “blood lust” which was brought to bear in bringing his about his resignation. It is shameful.


law enforcement is now shameful bloodlust?


GravatarGeorge W. Bush's two admins re-inforced the awful cynicism in all of us, in that, the well-connected really can get away with anything they want.


GravatarThe Eschaton fugue--new atritot, astrology, Republican hypocrisy and physics.

Why I love this place.


GravatarOk, I am totally sorry for starting a fight about astrology. I find it fun and interesting, but certainly don't mean to give offense to the more rationally-minded folks here.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator


I'm a Scorpio!!


GravatarEeenie meenie chili beanie... the spirits are about to speak!



You crack my shit up, too!


GravatarAs far as the left’s failings, they can be summed up as, well, socialist, communist, and whatever TEARS at the positive social fabric of the family and America. Homosexuals, internet porn, NAMBLA, ACLU, Antichrist, Antichurch, Illegal alien amnesty-votes (for democrats), property tax increases, tax increases.



There isn't enough time or room here for me to list all the RIGHT's failings.

Top of the list is that they are a pack of haters.


GravatarAstrology is crap! Tarot is teh kewl!


GravatarReligion doesn't hurt people, people hurt people using religion.


GravatarDon't we have enough horseshit to dig out from under without ancient superstitions?

There's a lot of fun to be had with reality, folks.


Gravatar(That 'miriam' was me, of course)


GravatarThe Eschaton fugue--new atritot, astrology, Republican hypocrisy and physics.

You forgot tits.


GravatarYou can't apply that to photons.

E=h*nu, where h is Planck's constant and nu is the frequency.
Richard


I don't disagree, but what makes them an exception?


GravatarIt's funny, that this could have been brought up privately, yet nothing would have been done, or he would have retired to put food on his family.


GravatarThe Eschaton fugue--new atritot, astrology, Republican hypocrisy and physics.

I got the horse right here, his name is Paul Revere, and there's a guy that says that if the weather's clear, can do.


Gravatar
law enforcement is now shameful bloodlust?


If the republican is on the receiving end of accountability, I guess.

You can hardly blame these guys. They're not used to suffering the consequences of their actions. It's a whole new experience for them.


GravatarGubs don't shoo people.


Gravatarspork

Pls send me an e-mail at hecate demetersdatter at hotmail dot com and I'll email you your chart.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator



Sounds like fun!


GravatarYou forgot tits.
Moe


atritits, then?


GravatarYou forgot tits.



I am an ass man myself.


GravatarI got the horse right here, his name is Paul Revere, and there's a guy that says that if the weather's clear, can do.

I've got the gun, and you've got the brew.
You've got two choices of what you can do.
It's not a tough decision, as you can see.
I can blow you away, or you can ride with me.


GravatarI don't begrudge anybody the spiritual relief they find in practicing their religion.

All I ask is that they pratice outside my government and outside my public classroom.


GravatarI am condemning the obvious “blood lust” which was brought to bear in bringing his about his resignation. It is shameful.





Translation: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!


GravatarDon't we have enough horseshit to dig out from under without ancient superstitions?

Why are you offended by someone believing in a higher power?


GravatarRight, but the complex origin of n in metals is a consequence of Maxwell, I think, or more accurately the boundary conditions that you have to impose in solving them across the metal-air (or whatever) boundary.
David Derbes, writin' away


Another interesting metal "skin effect" is that alternating current travels only in the skin of a conductor. At microwave frequencies, a copper tube carries as much current as a copper rod of the same diameter. At 60 Hz (standard grid power in North America) any wire thicker than about 2/3 of an inch is a waste of copper.


GravatarJ Lo is my dream woman.


GravatarI'm a Scorpio!!

Me too!

They say all sorts of evil shit about us.


GravatarIZ BORN

THNX DOODS


GravatarIt is an auspicious time to call sheets


GravatarI can blow you away, or you can ride with me.
Zap Rowsdower


I'll ride with you if you can get me the border
Sheriff's after me for what I did to his daughter
I did it like this...
I did it like that...


GravatarJR, no one is trying to shove astrology down your throat the way the fundies are trying to take over the secular world.

Those column inches could be devoted to labour news.

Yes, I'm a cold-blooded, snake-brained, hardcore skeptic.

And if it wasn't for people like me, you'd still be deciding which would be the best day to sacrifice a child.


GravatarI'm a Scorpio!!

Me too!

They say all sorts of evil shit about us.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 12:27 pm | #


Aries is worse.

I should know, I'm married to one.


GravatarI don't understand the "higher power" thing. I just don't get it at all. My mind doesn't work that way, I 'spose. Some people say I'm not actually human because of that-- at least, that's what's implied when they say "humans are hard-wired to believe in a higher power" and such.

I try to be live and let live about it, but ya know, I think we can all understand why atheists might strike back in anger from time to time, what with being told our entire lives we're evil, stupid, non-human, or whatever.

But, peace. You folks aren't the problem.


GravatarI'm a Scorpio!!

Me too!

They say all sorts of evil shit about us.
Molly Ivors


Yeah, they do.

November 1 here.


GravatarCongrats to Adam Alexander, his parents, & his Aunt Vicki.


Gravatar
I don't disagree, but what makes them an exception?


Well, for one thing m=0. Photons have no rest mass. Moreover, E=mc^2 only applies in the limiting case, when the particle is at rest.


GravatarThe Eschaton fugue--new atritot, astrology, Republican hypocrisy and physics.

You forgot tits.
Moe Szyslak, cold


And cookies!


GravatarYou can hardly blame these guys. They're not used to suffering the consequences of their actions. It's a whole new experience for them.
pie


I have no trouble blaming 'em. Their problem isn't that they're unused to paying the price, it's that they feel no action of theirs could ever be wrong in the first place. I mean, if you're absolutely right about absolutely everything, absolutely all the time, God Hisself probably has a rule of some sort against the casting of aspersions against His REAL Chosen Ones. As opposed to those other upstarts...


Gravatar(last post for a while, and people are getting bored with the physics...)

The number "0" is an exception. You can't use it to divide with; or, if you do, you get all sorts of logical inconsistencies.

In physics, the speed of light is sort of like "0". Yes, you can divide with it, but there are other problems. The thing about light is that it travels at the speed of light. It turns out that things that travel at the speed of light are, like zero, special. (To be honest, we can accelerate small mass things like electrons and protons to speeds jolly near the speed of light, so they more and more act like light; but for every day objects like people, the energy cost is just too damned high to get you to speeds anything near the speed of light.)

The relation E = mc^2 was, in fact, derived from considering what would happen to a frictionless train in which a beam of light was shot from inside the train from one wall and absorbed at the other end. Does the train move? Yes. But the center of mass of the train cannot move. With a little algebra one determines that the effective mass of the light has to be equal to its energy divided by the speed of light squared. So, while it is true in some sense that E = mc^2 does not apply to photons, it is equally true (historically) that consideration of the mass of light (whatever that is) led to the derivation of this equation.

I say again: rest mass is an ill-defined concept as applied to light.


GravatarAries is worse.

I should know, I'm married to one.
rorschach, meh | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 12:28 pm |


Leos are the best!

(Except maybe for the pantless ones in Vermont).


Gravatarlaw enforcement is now shameful bloodlust?
Falstaff


Laws and rules are for Democrats.


Gravatar Moreover, E=mc^2 only applies in the limiting case, when the particle is at rest.
Richard


So, if you accelerate a nuke to the speed of light and set it off, either it won't go off at all, or...it'll destroy the universe...


GravatarI didn't realize wingnuts were such pussies:
They aren't Pussies are wonderful, magical things-scroll above.
Congrats, Vicki. Didn't the parents meet at an Atriosfestivus?


GravatarThere's a gazillion more threads up there...


GravatarThanks for your patience and all the answers to the questions on "light". I understand it better now.


GravatarClinton to appear on 'The Daily Show'

Sen. Hillary Clinton is scheduled to appear on Comedy Central’s ‘The Daily Show’ on Monday, March 3, according to a press released by the cable outlet.

The scheduled appearance comes a day before crucial primaries in Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island, and Vermont


GravatarSo he plagiarized 20 out of 38 columns. It's not like he made a habit of it.

Give the guy a break. His kids will starve, at least until he gets a gig at the Heritage Foundation.


GravatarAtrios,
Where is this from?


GravatarGimlet @ 03.01.08 - 11:57 am
Why doesn't light escape from a "black hole" if gravity has an action only on mass?


In General Relativity, the effect of mass is to "curve" space (space-time, actually) so that the "shortest path between two points" (minimal geodesic between events) is no longer a straight line, but once which appears curved: an orbit, or some conic section (parabola, hyperbola) path.

If the central mass is great enough, the curvature of space becomes so great that it "closes in on itself", so that light, which always follows a geodesic path, can't get out because there is no direction which leads out of the black hole. Clear?


GravatarSo the letter writer's point is that the 1st Amendment protects plagiarism?


GravatarNo quarter for the minions of Sauron!!!

MARS!


GravatarAs far as I’m concerned, I would invite them in this country to take care of the left, if only the muslims were intelligent enough to identify what they hate is NOT all Americans but —Liberal americans.

Holy shit! Bushie was right! They hate us for our freedoms!!!!!!!!!

***


GravatarHaving recently been a family member of someone on the receiving end of a lot of public abuse for stupid behavior, I have to say...

SUCK IT, William Walters.

Plagiarism is professional misconduct. I thought conservatives were all about personal responsibility, honor and integrity in the White House, and all that.

Not so much, it seems.


Gravatarthe bush legacy: plagiarism justified by shallow thieves.


Gravatarthat can't be true.

i mean, come on...

really???

more moe 2008!!!
woh hoooohw


Gravatarhttp://www.kilkelly.com/pope.jpg
the Pope, Tim Goeglein walk into a bar. bartender says what'll you have. the Pope says I'll have a beer.Tim Goeglein says "I dont want to seem like a copy cat, but I'll have a beer too...ba dum-dum. crickets. tough crowd.
GIGGLE!
PLAGIAR-GATE?
http://x-wire.blogspot.com/2008/...e-and- pope.html
the Pope and tim goeglein go fishing.


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