I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Good morning.
'morning, Ralph.
Top news stories at CNN.com
1: News helicopters collide, killing all aboard
2: Official: U.S. arms deal to Saudis in works
3: WWII fighters collide at airshow; 1 dead
4: Bonds hits 754th home run; 1 shy of Aaron
5: Cheney having surgery to replace battery
6: ATM spits out 20s instead of 5s
7: Source: Musharraf, exiled opponent meet
8: Doctor now free to leave Australia
9: Killers threaten dwindling gorilla population
10: Dime in his pocket, $1.9 million of worries
'Morning Sam.
If you haven't read Eugene Robinson's Bedtime for Gonzo from the WaPo, you might give it a look:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...7072601847.html
Computer scientists from California universities have hacked into three electronic voting systems used in California and elsewhere in the nation and found several ways in which vote totals could potentially be altered, according to reports released yesterday by the state.
The reports, the latest to raise questions about electronic voting machines, came to light on a day when House leaders announced in Washington that they had reached an agreement on measures to revamp voting systems and increase their security.
So, given what the occupants of the nation's most influential newsrooms clearly know -- what they have said and written before -- shouldn't the media be devoting greater coverage to the basic matter of whether or not we still live in a nation of laws?
They should but they won't.
It's frustrating and depressing.
doesn't anyone call sheets anymore?
Isn't it time news organizations devote more resources to exploring these issues -- even if it means fewer stories about cats and cleavage?
Boob scratches.
Clinton's penis belongs in the Smithsonian.
short sheeted:
So, naturally, Bush wants to sell them $20 Billion worth of weapons.
Boeing is running much of this country. And where does the ammunition come from that those poor teenagers in the Sudan use? Last I checked, bulletsd were fairly expensive if you bought them from walmart or K mart. But apparently they are being shipped by the boatload to allow profit for killing brown people.
1: News helicopters collide, killing all aboard
OK, off topic but this happened where I live.
This mid-air collision happened over a public park! Fortunately it was middle of the day on a Friday... most people were at work and it was too hot to go out to the park, or surely someone would have died on the ground.
What's more, there is a VA hospital next to the park, and on the other side of the park is a very busy street, Central Avenue. Just a couple hundred feet one way or the other, and the choppers would have landed on the hospital or on a traffic-clogged street and we'd be talking about a lot more deaths than just the people on the helicopters.
Why the fuck do we need three, four, five TV news helicopters in the same airspace with a police helicopter, to cover a car chase? It doesn't serve the public interest; it only serves to boost ratings for the TV stations.
Oscar the cat!
Here's a piquant nugget from Robinson:
Gonzo answered the question, all right -- inadvertently, of course: "There are no rules."
That's the guiding philosophy of this administration. As far as these people are concerned, there are no rules of common decency. There are no rules of customary practice. There are no rules governing respect for the truth, or even respect for the privacy and health of an ailing colleague.
And we all know who sets that tone.
He's having his batteries replaced.
They have Pam for bacon, now? I thought bacon made its own Pam!
Oh, baking! I get it.
Never mind.
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George is sitting on my lap and curled up on my right arm so i am typing s l o w l y with my left
hence not much being said by me heh
Moonbootica, Graduated | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 12:31 pm | #
Oscar the cat!
I want a cat who can detect republican assholes.
Sen. Arlen Specter is Lucy to Charlie Brown Robinson. Some never learn.
does the cheney doll come with a miniture pacemaker battery and hidden horns?
Phear the Clenis!
"Why the fuck do we need three, four, five TV news helicopters in the same airspace with a police helicopter, to cover a car chase? It doesn't serve the public interest; it only serves to boost ratings for the TV stations.|"
you answer your question. it ain't about what we need - it's about rating and therefore money. if eyewitless news doesn't have chopper 33 1/3 eye in the sky why you might just tune to assless news!
Why the fuck do we need three, four, five TV news helicopters in the same airspace with a police helicopter, to cover a car chase? It doesn't serve the public interest; it only serves to boost ratings for the TV stations.
r€nato, love peace and grease | 07.28.07 - 12:31 pm | #
I heard this morning that the sherrif is pondering the possibility of pressing murder charges against the man who led the police on the chase.
Frankly, they should charge the tv producers, or whomever sent them on such a story.
It doesn't serve the public interest; it only serves to boost ratings for the TV stations.
I think you just answered your own question. Come to think of it, that's why Katie Couric rambles forever about a cat's ability to "predict the future" while the important stories are ignored.
Retractable horns.
I'm not convinced Hillary would stand up to the military industrial complex.
I want a cat who can detect republican assholes.
spinoza | 07.28.07 - 12:33 pm | #
the visuals on that aren't too pleasant.
It doesn't serve the public interest; it only serves to boost ratings for the TV stations.
CNN is reporting that the suspect may be charged with the deaths of those in the helos.
No mention of whether or not Abu will be charged with perjury or who would prosecute.
Gene Robinson writes clearly and well, unlike Broderella.
I did manage to take a couple of NEW cat photos, this morning.
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I want a cat who can detect republican assholes.
Don't spay or neuter it, then.
An ATM at a northwest Louisiana truck stop gave out $20 bills instead of $5 bills, but authorities say they know who used it and plan to pursue the extra $7,000 the machine spit out.
Annette Parker, a supervisor at Eagle's Truck Stop, said she unplugged the machine after overhearing conversations about the excess payments.
"The next morning when we had come back in, someone had plugged it back up," she said.
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Damm those clever kids!
Hillary would have the largest pair of stones seen in Washington in decades. Make the 787 wildly successful -- it's the only way.
I heard this morning that the sherrif is pondering the possibility of pressing murder charges against the man who led the police on the chase.
the Phoenix police chief stated emphatically that the criminal could be charged with their deaths. There is indeed a law on the books which allows a criminal to be charged with any deaths by police officers associated with trying to capture a criminal; not sure if that law would extend to TV news pilots.
I suspect the police chief was overreacting. As much of a douchebag as the suspect was/is, I fail to see how he's responsible for this ridiculous situation. Once everyone is over the shock of this tragedy, we need to think long and hard about why it's necessary to endanger the public safety on behalf of TV news ratings.
the recent flooding has been a good excuse for the tv (national and local) companies to use their helicopters
Congress should tie Chimpy's $20bil gift to Prince Bandar Bush to bringing the troops home immediately. Then we'll see how strong the mancrush really is.
Josh:
I suppose the left should consider all of this a warning shot -- "progressive" is poised to get a far-right work-over.
The far right isn't in any shape to be giving anyone a work over. If they want to embrace Iranian-style theocracy, they can prepare to get ass-raped in every election until their already dying party is truly dead.
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Oh, and Franny Rose says 'hi'.
(I'm assuming that 'cause I'm at the office today...ugh)
A while back an ATM in New Brunswick was pumping out Canadian Tire money.
frankly
KO is spending too much damn time covering a weekold bunch of garbage about pieces of ass stories he HAD ALREADY COVERED - Lohan and Spears.
"I want a cat who can detect republican assholes.
Don't spay or neuter it, then."
The cat or the Republican?
It's not the Chief of Police's call.
Of course when two helicopters collide, you might also look to see if there was any, you know, pilot error involved. Just sayin'.
CNN: Could Flight 800 happen again?
Uh, have they built any more 747s? No> So they are still flying the same old ones? Then, yes, it could happen again.
It's not the Chief of Police's call.
no, it's not. Like I said, I suspect he was overreacting.
There are very real and very serious questions about whether the United States is currently a fully functional republic. About whether our president feels compelled to obey the law and to respect Congress as an equal branch of government and to follow the Constitution. About whether we still have a system of checks and balances rather than a monarchy -- or whether that is but a quaint notion that will live on only in schoolchildren's history books, if at all.
Fuckin' A.
747's are still being built.
The far right isn't in any shape to be giving anyone a work over. If they want to embrace Iranian-style theocracy, they can prepare to get ass-raped in every election until their already dying party is truly dead.
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 12:37 pm | #
what a lovely thought.
So when a blimp crashes into the Super Bowl, are they going to charge the football players?
renato, I was planning on going over to the Kinkos at Central & Indian School yesterday but got deflected by something or another.
I'm a little amazed, given the amount of light rail construction going on over there, that there was any kind of a 'chase' possible.
Of course when two helicopters collide, you might also look to see if there was any, you know, pilot error involved. Just sayin'.
"But...but the criminal was fleeing!!!"
/uninformed populace taking a cue from COPS.
Foser's excellent. That's powerful writing that lays things out as clearly as humanly possible.
Only if the blimp is Denny Hastert.
The air fleet is ancient. Sure, they're building new planes, but the vast majority flying today are over 30 years old.
one of the news choppers was directly over the other one; I suspect that someone moved up when they should have moved down or vice versa; although mechanical failure prior to the collision is also a possibility.
It's tough out there for a blimp.
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Computer scientists from California universities have hacked into three electronic voting systems...
Culture of TrÜth
I read that in the print edition this morning. Critics of the test are saying that it was too easy, since the "hackers" had access to source code, manuals, etc. which poll workers wouldn't have.
The critics sort of forgot to address the issue of voting machine company employees.
Jane, I've already written to our senators and congressman about this. The FAA really needs to do something about this. You know the layout there; it easily could have been a much, much worse tragedy than it was.
747's are still being built.
Why?
Okay, I am sure I can find something constructive to do...
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A criminal can be charged with forseeable events associated with his crimes.
You lead someone on a high speed chase, an accident is forseeable.
The helicopter crash, not so much.
It's tough out there for a blimp.
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 12:41 pm | #
Ow!
Companies are still buying, and they're being improved incrementally. Cars are still being built, too.
So when a blimp crashes into the Super Bowl, are they going to charge the football players?
Yes, but for dog fighting, gambling and steroids.
The far right isn't in any shape to be giving anyone a work over. If they want to embrace Iranian-style theocracy, they can prepare to get ass-raped in every election until their already dying party is truly dead.
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I love you.
Oh, the humanity!
"Why?
Snow, Contrary "
Because unlike our Government and Press, they just work.
And the 747 of today is not the same aircraft as of thirty years back. Basic design is similar, but the improvements are vast. Same can be said of the 737s.
short sheeted:
Our local jail brouhaha is currently centered around people dying because -- this will surprise you -- hiring a private contractor to provide healthcare services to prisoners is not working out that well! No, it's true!
V for Virginia
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we have the same problem
the fed mandated three strikes etc GOPer hard on crime stance embraced by the states since the 1980's has overcrowded the jail and made criminal justice a boondoggle industry while housing and processing huge proportions of blacks ]
is also rent with injustice as far as prison health care
we had to call in a federal investigation to see to oversight of the health care here in DE's prisons after the newspaper exposed the lack of concern for "a brother with two heads, inmates leaving with untreated HIV and other disease and infecting the community etc.
It must be prevalent across the US
747's are still being built.
Why?
Snow, Contrary
For fleet owners, there are significant logistical advantages to supplementing with aircraft that use the same spare parts and training requirements.
George Bush is killing the GOP as fast as he can.
Uh, have they built any more 747s?
yes, they have
The 747 was expected to become obsolete after sales of 400 units, but it has outlived many of its critics' expectations and production passed the 1,000 mark in 1993. As of June 2007 1387 planes had been built, with 120 more in various configurations on order. The latest development of the aircraft, the 747-8, is planned to enter service in 2009.
I've seen carnival ladies hug snakes to their bosoms, but never a cat.
The FAA really needs to do something about this. You know the layout there; it easily could have been a much, much worse tragedy than it wa
Yet, periodically the Air Reserve practices right through the center of town among the high rises....
I can't think of a lot of reasons that Phoenix air space - particularly so close to the main Sky Harbor flight paths and Deer Valley - the most heavily trafficked light aircraft port in the country - and Luke AFB - should be governed as tho it were still 1936.
The far right isn't in any shape to be giving anyone a work over. If they want to embrace Iranian-style theocracy, they can prepare to get ass-raped in every election until their already dying party is truly dead.
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I love you.
Hecate
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I will say this before bedtime every night until 2008 is safely behind us.
Is there STILL gravity???
Damm that Democratic Congress!
"John Hinderaker suggests that Democrats are engaged in an "unconstitutional usurpation of power." Schumer, Hinderaker adds, is advocating a "coup" and a "change in the Constitution.""
Rrrrrrrrrrocket!
And don't get me started on the Blue Angels performing over densely packed cities. Stupid, stupid.
""John Hinderaker suggests that Democrats are engaged in an "unconstitutional usurpation of power.""
I believe this is known as projection.
Sec. Robert Gates, liar:
Gates in January WaPo story:
By Michael Abramowitz and Jonathan Weisman
The Washington Post
January 27. 2007 8:35AM
Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned that a proposed Senate resolution criticizing the deployment of additional troops would embolden the enemy.
"Any indication of flagging will in the United States gives encouragement to those folks," Gates told reporters at the Pentagon. "I'm sure that that's not the intent behind the resolutions, but I think it may be the effect."
Gates in a statement July 20, 2007 to TPMuckraker:
"I have long been a staunch advocate of Congressional oversight, first at the CIA and now at the Defense Department. I have said on several occasions in recent months that I believe that congressional debate on Iraq has been constructive and appropriate."
The entire air traffic control network needs drastic repair and revision, but we're busy spending every cent in Iraq.
So when some rubbernecker staring at a wreck on the highway runs over a rescue worker, the driver of the original wrecked car is at fault, right? WTF?
"John Hinderaker suggests that Democrats are engaged in an "unconstitutional usurpation of power." Schumer, Hinderaker adds, is advocating a "coup" and a "change in the Constitution.""
if I weren't so accustomed to right-wing idiocy by now, I think those two sentences would have caused my head to explode.
Nancy - from the last thread:
Bush does what Cheney and Rove OK - this is not a one man show and should never be allowed to be "couched" that way.
Do Not Buy In To It
I agree - I don't buy into much of anything that comes from media types, I did find a lot of that piece interesting, tho.
Especially Frank's take on Bush's sociopathic makeup.
ohn Hinderaker suggests that Democrats are engaged in an "unconstitutional usurpation of power." Schumer, Hinderaker adds, is advocating a "coup" and a "change in the Constitution.""
Who was it who said that they project like a metroplex?
AssRocket is still a tool. Remarkable!
Not American. Observing the US from afar.
Should I laugh? Cry? Just shake my head in wonder?
If you didn't have all those nuclear weapons and corrupt politicians we could just ignore you, but we would do so at our peril now, wouldn't we?
The US has, of course, devolved into an absurdity.
"John Hinderaker suggests that Democrats are engaged in an "unconstitutional usurpation of power." Schumer, Hinderaker adds, is advocating a "coup" and a "change in the Constitution.""
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This makes perfect sense. The Constitution specifically reserves usurpation of power to Republicans.
silly wabbits.
The critics sort of forgot to address the issue of voting machine company employees.
Upsidasium
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fuck.fuck.fuck
It must be prevalent across the US
Nancy Willing
It's a national healthcare company, so I"m sure they're doing the same lovely job everywhere.
Great way for the invisible hand to give the finger to some folks who have absolutely no control over what happens to them, and people generally are of the opinion that if they wanted control they shouldn't have done whatever it is they did.
someone tell me if I'm wrong but didn't the election prove that the voters wanted more oversight, not less?
Hope we rediscover our sanity.
"My friend Andrew Sullivan makes an interesting case on the "serious" front. But I think Andrew's being a bit too hard on himself for being as dismissive of the anti-war arguments and arguers as he was. For the record, I wasn't dismissive, not even of Janeane Garofolo--and you can look it up."
Joe Klein
Always glad too see an urban teacher to an icy glass of Coke,
The US has, of course, devolved into an absurdity.
SteinL
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I see you have found one of the places that still rocks solid
Not American. Observing the US from afar.
Should I laugh? Cry? Just shake my head in wonder?
I laugh on Tuesdays and Fridays, cry on Mondays, Wednesdays and Sundays, shake my head in wonder on Thursdays. Most Saturdays I spend under the bed wearing the most up-to-date tinfoil fashions you can imagine.
Remember, kids:
Assrocket also said that Bush was the greatest presidential orator since Abe.
Not. Worth. The. Lame. Template. He. Uses.
The US has, of course, devolved into an absurdity.
SteinL | 07.28.07 - 12:49 pm | #
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Not true. We started out genocidal, then felt guilty about it, and since 2000 we've got back the old juice.
So watch it.
Joe Klein and Sully are the same person.
Ok, Sully is more hateful and Klein is more stupid.
therealhellkitty: someone tell me if I'm wrong but didn't the election prove that the voters wanted more oversight, not less?
Yes. Not only that, but every Democrat within 100 yards of a camera or mic needs to hammer Tony Snow's best question ever, every single time:
WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE?
Christ, I think I'll post that at my blog, every day.
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"John Hinderaker suggests that Democrats are engaged in an "unconstitutional usurpation of power."
Wow, that one went by so fast I only saw a blur! We went from "separation of powers" to "who does congress think they are, anyway?" in record time!
Abu Gonzo is bringing down the house.
Assholes of the day:
The Transportation Security Agency's national security bulletin issued was based on bogus examples that were combined to give the impression of ominous terrorist plotting, CNN reports.
"That bulletin for law enforcement eyes only told of suspicious items recently found in passenger's bags at airport checkpoints, warned that they may signify dry runs for terrorist attacks," CNN's Brian Todd reported Friday afternoon. "Well it turns out none of that is true."
Doug Watts,
what's with the addendum to your nym?
are you truly lousy or just joking?
For the record, I wasn't dismissive, not even of Janeane Garofolo--and you can look it up."
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I wasn't dismissive. I just slyly prevaricated, post hoc.
Jokester Linester.
A criminal can be charged with forseeable events associated with his crimes.
You lead someone on a high speed chase, an accident is forseeable.
The helicopter crash, not so much.
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 12:42 p
That's my take on it.
I could charges if someone on the ground/road got hurt.
Up in the air, involved in shooting pointless footage, no.
I'd like to believe that this will cause tv station managers/producers to rethink their obsession with the car chase, but I doubt it.
WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE?
"Which part exactly of 'So help me God' is the White House so afraid of?"
John Hinderaker suggests that Democrats are engaged in an "unconstitutional usurpation of power." Schumer, Hinderaker adds, is advocating a "coup" and a "change in the Constitution.
Sounds like Assrocket studied "constitutional law" under the Blithering Misogynist Idiot Imitating Altmouse...
Doug Watts,
what's with the addendum to your nym?
are you truly lousy or just joking?
therealhellkitty | 07.28.07 - 12:53 pm | #
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No. but I was examining a "lice removal kit" at the Rite Aid this a.m. when I got a prescription for the kitty kat.
there.
WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE?
Christ, I think I'll post that at my blog, every day.
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 12:52 pm | #
did you catch the comment on KO the other night that the Chimp has refused to turn over the draft(s) of his speech in P. Tillman's death? wonder why?
WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE?
""Which part exactly of 'So help me God' is the White House so afraid of?""
God - except that God loves all his republican children, so I guess it can't be that.
Klein:
1. There were plenty of Beltway establishment sorts--like, say, the entire Bush 41 foreign policy team--who thought the war was a particularly bad idea. Brent Scowcroft, for example, spent much of the winter of 2002-2003 reading about the British in Mesopotamia, and he encouraged me to do the same.
That was the first time you heard of it, huh?
"That bulletin for law enforcement eyes only told of suspicious items recently found in passenger's bags at airport checkpoints, warned that they may signify dry runs for terrorist attacks," CNN's Brian Todd reported Friday afternoon. "Well it turns out none of that is true."
This is only news to CNN...
doug watts, could i interest you in more than ome mouse?
"Which part exactly of 'So help me God' is the White House so afraid of?"
melior, movin on up | 07.28.07 - 12:54 pm | #
those random lightning bolts....?
As Andrew says, Greenwald's larger criticism of the arrogance of the mainstream media, especially those who opine without reporting, has value...but too often he finds great significance in the insignificant, mistaking a twig for a forest.
Compare that craptastic piece of drivel with Foser's writing. Jokeline needs to hand in his keyboard.
And don't get me started on the Blue Angels performing over densely packed cities. Stupid, stupid.
Moe Szyslak, hating coal | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 12:46 pm
The Dayton air show is this weekend. I'm always amazed that nothing has happened, accident wise.
I remember an air show in Chicago, with the Blue Angels. Overcast, couldn't see the tops of Sears and Hanacock, and they still flew between the buildings.
therealhellkitty: did you catch the comment on KO the other night that the Chimp has refused to turn over the draft(s) of his speech in P. Tillman's death? wonder why?
WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE?
Exactly.
What's more, it's so simple, even the people who're normally sleepwalking past all things political can understand it.
The person at FDL who mentioned that the whole DoJ scandal has really forced the GOP into the "black hat narrative" was 150% right on the money... but unless WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE? is repeated dozens of times each day, a lot of people aren't going to understand it.
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Brent Scowcroft, for example, spent much of the winter of 2002-2003 reading about the British in Mesopotamia, and he encouraged me to do the same.
Oh to be in Joe Klein's book club.
With the ponies and the colored balloons.
And don't get me started on the Blue Angels performing over densely packed cities. Stupid, stupid.
Moe Szyslak, hating coal
the only time i ever saw them, it was over lake ontario. i thought at the time that's how they always did it.
The sad fact that the job of the media in this country is not to report news.
It is to attract an audience that can be pitched to by its true customer, the advertiser.
If actual news happens to be transmitted, it's happenstance.
No. but I was examining a "lice removal kit" at the Rite Aid this a.m. when I got a prescription for the kitty kat.
there.
Doug
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heh
I am glad someone asked, I guess
"White House mocks Michael Moore.
On Thursday, Michael Moore announced that the Bush administration had issued him a subpoena for his trip to Cuba to help sick 9/11 rescue workers receive free medical care. Noting that many celebrities visit Cuba with no repercussions, Moore noted, “I didn’t go there like Cameron Diaz to get a tan. … I was there to help them.” In a briefing yesterday, White House spokesman Dana Perino responded to Moore’s tan comment by mocking his appearance: “That’s probably a visual we don’t need.”"
Cheney in Speedos '08!
Pepsi says Aquafina is tap water - CNNMoney.com
And pro wrestling isn't real?
And don't get me started on the Blue Angels performing over densely packed cities.
When they come to SF for Fleet Week, I'm usually working in a highrise during their weekday "rehersal" flights.
They're zooming right past the 21st story windows!
"I am glad someone asked, I guess"
I thought it was a personal matter between an adult and their bugs.
Hmmm. Still thinking about that surge thing from below, and I think AO still has it wrong. The forward edge of the surge (i.e., at the gate), will pile up, not spread back even much of a distance at all, in a big storm.
The sad fact that the job of the media in this country is not to report news.
It is to attract an audience that can be pitched to by its true customer, the advertiser.
If actual news happens to be transmitted, it's happenstance.
Apprentice
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think if we teach that in our schools a few kids will get left behind?
Greenwald's larger criticism of the arrogance of the mainstream media, especially those who opine without reporting, has value...but too often he finds great significance in the insignificant.
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Is Joke Line projecting here ???
JP
What did he know and when did he know it.
What have they got to hide?
We need some more simple mantras that
the NASCAR crown can't ignore.
Like for instance this Time magazine article:
Where by liar and news slut Judith Miller wannabe Mark Thomaspon writes this about a military draft for Iraq:
So then what about the third, most controversial option — is it time to reinstitute the draft? That option has a certain appeal as the Army fell short of its active-duty recruiting goal for June by about 15%. It is the second consecutive month the service's enlistment effort has slipped as public discontent grows over the war in Iraq.
What "appeal" does a military draft have for lie about war????
NONE. TIME magazine is just a mouth piece for Bush and his crook talk.
Michael Duffy, Joe Klien, and Mark Thomaspon are nothing but a pack of cheap Bush ass kissing liars - please cancel the subcription - that magazine is not worth SHIT.
We have to send these assholes a message - we want news and not SHIT.
A draft for the Iraq war has NO appeal whatsoever with 70% of Americans thinking Iraq was a mistake.
Jeebus the press is so screwy these days - I really wish Patrick Fitzgearld would have put a lot more of them in jail.
WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE?
i posted on this over at woody's site. either they are incredibly incompetent or totally evil or (most likely) both.
invoking executive priv in this case - if they didn't have anything to hide was amazingly stupid and bound to bite them in the ass. otherwise ...
They're zooming right past the 21st story windows!
dave™©
Sick day!
"Cheney in Speedos '08!"
No. Never. It is not to be considered. Purge this thought from your mind, and step into the light.
I don't watch any TeeVee news outlet, or read any major newspaper, and still they persist.
What am I doing wrong?
WaPo:
Editorial Review
The script to Charles Ferguson's "No End in Sight" will certainly be in the hands of the prosecutors in the event of impeachment hearings. It's a furious, if quietly stated, indictment of the president and all his men in re the debacle that our adventure in Iraq has become. Ferguson builds a compelling case of bad judgment, error, stubbornness and arrogance.
http://tinyurl.com/24fejg
No End in Sight:
http://www.noendinsightmovie.com/
We need some more simple mantras that
the NASCAR crown can't ignore.
therealhellkitty
This one is still good.
I'd like to believe that this will cause tv station managers/producers to rethink their obsession with the car chase, but I doubt it.
Why should it?
Their asses are not up in "Skycm5". The pilots and bubbleheads in the choppers are expendable in the name of ratings, just like everything else these maggots touch.
How hard would it be for some clever person to do a fake GOP-YouTube debate?
"Cheney in Speedos '08!"
rubber band on a pear
invoking executive priv in this case - if they didn't have anything to hide was amazingly stupid and bound to bite them in the ass. otherwise ...
dirk gently, sociopathetic
My favorite use of e.p. is over the Pat Tillman investigation.
And the CW is: they only have 18 months left, what can anybody do?
Sick day!
I hate to say it, but... it's kinda cool!
That doesn't mean I don't want my wife to sue the government if I go up in flames...
When I lived in the City, I had a friend that lived just off Fillmore near Pacific Heights. When the Blue Angels did the actual weekend show, there was always one jet that would zoom over the apartments and out to the waterfront at one point - you could literally see into the cockpit!
"We need some more simple mantras that
the NASCAR crown can't ignore."
Don't forget the NFL crowd.
I am glad someone asked, I guess
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 12:58 pm | #
I just recall when my daughter was 12. Two days before school started I discovered she had them. I tried everything but shaving her head.
I spent two days removing them by hand.
They are truly hideous. However, hair dye and a vodka immersion are a good start on the cure.
"The pilots and bubbleheads in the choppers are expendable in the name of ratings, just like everything else these maggots touch."
bet if you watched network today it'd seem like a documentary.
but too often he finds great significance in the insignificant.
Of course, Klein's got no examples of this. His whole piece simply proves Greenwald's point. And Klein doesn't even know it. He just doesn't get it and he's not going to get it because it would undermine his entire sense of self-importance.
melior: This one is still good.
I disagree. It's too abstract for the sleepwalkers, and too infuriating for war supporters.
WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE?
Simple, direct, and they've heard it and understood it, before. They will, again.
.
I hate to say it, but... it's kinda cool!
I can see that it would be, but too close for me.
...hair dye and a vodka immersion are a good start on the cure.
That applies to so many situations!
Greenwald's larger criticism of the arrogance of the mainstream media, especially those who opine without reporting, has value...but too often he finds great significance in the insignificant.
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Is Joke Line projecting here ???
It would be miraculous if Joke Line did NOT project.
My favorite use of e.p. is over the Pat Tillman investigation.
The president needed frank, unrestrained opinionating about what exactly was the best way to turn a fragging incident into a PR tool.
I think we should increase the number of helicopters in the air, or the criminals will have won.
Joke Line critiquing Glenn Greenwald is funny. Glenn's only possible criticism is that he provides you with more depth, and more research and more original "stuff" than many people can take in one sitting. As a lawyer, Glenn gathers up his "stuff" and then instructs as to why he believes the stuff adds up to a certain conclusion.
Klein just tells you that he thinks something because he's had an itchy ass since Tuesday.
"hair dye and a vodka immersion are a good start on the cure."
for the parent or the kid?
This one is still good.
melior
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good one
yes
I can see that it would be, but too close for me.
I grew up in the Central Valley, directly under the landing path for the National Guard base. We were out in the country and used to see those jets flying around all the time.
Back in the days when sonic booms were "cool"...
Don't forget the NFL crowd.
Tailgate! Woo-hoo! | 07.28.07 - 1:03 pm | #
the same bunch mostly.
There's this old radio play from the 1920s called "Bury the dead." It's a great anti-war play, the basic gist of which is that the soldiers killed in war refuse to be buried, and walk around pointing out that they're, ya know, dead.
Moe
There's a modern version of a very similar premise that was shown on PBS repetitively ... I have it on DVD (sorry I looked for it but cant find it right now so I forget what the name of it is ... it's got a character that is unmistakably supposed to be Ann Coulter ... and the dead soldiers reanimate and insist on being able to vote
However, hair dye and a vodka immersion are a good start on the cure.
therealhellkitty
As they are with many conditions...
The president needed frank, unrestrained opinionating about what exactly was the best way to turn a fragging incident into a PR tool.
DING DING DING DING DING!
Anything from the top shelf, champ...
what my mum is up to! - A warning to delinquents and the feckless: lock up your sons and daughters. In Essex parkland usually graced by the rock bands and groupies of the music festival season, 40,000 brightly-clothed scouts from more than 160 countries will today celebrate 100 years of the movement when Prince William and the Duke of Kent open the 10-day World Scout Jamboree.
Yesterday, between munching apples, erecting tents and swapping woggles, Americans warmly greeted their French brethren and Scottish scouts delved into their sporrans to hand out pieces of tartan as the sound of young people singing in perfect harmony rose above Hylands Park, near Chelmsford.
From Surinam to Taiwan, from Serbia to Libya, teenagers of all religions and all races were united under the scout promise and a shared experience: being misunderstood at school. "My friends say that scouts are gay. Everyone says that," reckoned Rebecca Harding, 15, from south London. "A lot of people try to hide the fact they are scouts."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
uk_new...2136590,00.html
I remember when sonic booms were cool. I am old as dirt.
Wonder how many of those Blue Angel pilots are liquored up. Seems to be a pilot thing.
Was thinking about that last night, five beer in: could I right then get tied down to tube of exploding hydrogen, pointed upwards, and relish the 20 Gs, or whatever it is. What if I had to burp?
I think we should increase the number of helicopters in the air, or the criminals will have won.
Culture of TrÜth
every bruce willis movie ever made teaches us that helicopters are unsafe.
romney-vick 08'
Joe, past wars aren't insignificant. Some people even claim you can learn things from them.
WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE?
Simple, direct, and they've heard it and understood it, before. They will, again.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
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and after last week, this one reverbs across the stickiest
partisan toe lines
However, hair dye and a vodka immersion are a good start on the cure.
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Got Ozzie's career right back on track.
Don't forget the NFL crowd.
Tailgate! Woo-hoo! | 07.28.07 - 1:03 pm | #
i would suggest "impeach" but it has one too many syllables.
"Back in the days when sonic booms were "cool"..."
I remember those days!!
I used to live next to a base that hosted an air show. fucked up th traffic like nothing else, and the noise was incredible.
Nothing was like when reagan wanted to rattle sabers and send troops to central america to try to intimidate nicaragua. jet transport after jet transport at midnight - and I had to get up for work at 4am.
Back in the days when sonic booms were "cool"...
dave™© | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 1:05 pm | #
I grew up not far from the El Toro Marine base. I know exactly what you mean. Those were the days when they would burn off excess chemicals out on the runways...no harm there!
What if I had to burp?
Moe Szyslak, hating coal
pull a scooter.
(say: "pardon me")
Nancy Willing: and after last week, this one reverbs across the stickiest
partisan toe lines
Yes, yes, yes.
Who's with me? I'm gonna post it now, and every day until people wake the fuck up, and hold these assholes to account.
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every bruce willis movie ever made teaches us that helicopters are unsafe.
dirk gently, sociopathetic© | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 1:06 pm | #
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And that it's easy to hang off them and jump onto the tops of skyscrapers even when they are going 120 mph.
Was thinking about that last night, five beer in: could I right then get tied down to tube of exploding hydrogen, pointed upwards, and relish the 20 Gs, or whatever it is. What if I had to burp?
Moe Szyslak, hating coal
Or hurl? You'd suffocate.
The worst thing about that story was that the flight surgeons report being so demoralized that their advice was ignored that they're unlikely to take action in the future.
Oh, that, and that they're allowed to drink up to 12 hours before flying either the T-38s or the Shuttles. Why not three days? I can't believe they can push it that far, since some of them are evidently not terribly good at moderation.
naturally the Israeli scouting contingent is surrounded by the American Scouts.
a compromise as armed refused when the Israelis requested it.
also the Scouting organizers refused to hand over details of who was attending, including the Arab scouts
I remember when sonic booms were cool. I am old as dirt.
V for Virginia
I still remember when digital watches were a pretty neat idea.
I think we should increase the number of helicopters in the air, or the criminals will have won.
The Vermont state police has a helicopter. And when it hovered over the tastee freeze, its down blast or surge or blow or whatever the fuck you call it when you are doing pillow talk at Sikorsky made NTodd lie down in the parking lot and make odd hooting noises while "grappling with his snake".
And that it's easy to hang off them and jump onto the tops of skyscrapers even when they are going 120 mph.
Doug Watts, lindane free.
but then they explode.
i saw mel make one explode by shooting it with a .22 pistol i think.
Why the fuck do we need three, four, five TV news helicopters in the same airspace with a police helicopter, to cover a car chase? It doesn't serve the public interest; it only serves to boost ratings for the TV stations.
Like national news, local news has just turned into complete tabloid garbage. It's unbearable to watch.
Cars get stolen every day, the cops go after someone every day - it's not news that warrants live coverage.
just think Moe ... you could take Levetra and let the glowing green butterflies that float into your bedroom at night do all that dangerous flying for you
....and you can bring one down with a rock or bow and arrow
Oh, that, and that they're allowed to drink up to 12 hours before flying either the T-38s or the Shuttles. Why not three days? I can't believe they can push it that far, since some of them are evidently not terribly good at moderation.
V for Virginia
On the other hand, I do some of my best work while hungover.
I remember when sonic booms were cool. I am old as dirt.
Yeah, they were a sign of progress back in the 50s. We used to rush out into the yard to try to see the plane. I cannot remember the last time I heard one.
i would suggest "impeach" but it has one too many syllables.
dirk gently, sociopathetic© | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 1:08 pm | #
add a dash IM-PEACH. Southerners are used to multisyllabic words. Often they add extras to words that don't require them. Like "day-um" etc.
....and you can bring one down with a rock or bow and arrow
MacGruber!
I still remember when digital watches were a pretty neat idea.
melior, movin on up | 07.28.07 - 1:10 pm | #
i remember wearing a digital watch and having someone ask me the time. i looked at my watch and it said "2:47" - i thought a second and then said "quarter to three"
why?
I still remember when digital watches were a pretty neat idea.
melior, movin on up
Transistor radios, baybee!
Onion on belt, style at the time, etc.
Security-It's now the Democrats. Clinton bests Giuliani 28 to 20 percent. More interesting: Obama beats McCain 15 - 7 percent; and Romney crawls in at 2 percent. The public prefers Obama's stance with foreign leaders to Clinton's. Tell that to the Beltway.
/sully
you could take Levetra and let the glowing green butterflies that float into your bedroom at night do all that dangerous flying for you
I'm gonna ask my doctor if the little paisley pill is right for me.
Southerners are used to multisyllabic words.
that would be pronounced IM-peach
On the other hand, I do some of my best work while hungover.
Moe Szyslak, hating coal | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 1:11 pm | #
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I have no choice.
I just recall when my daughter was 12. Two days before school started I discovered she had them. I tried everything but shaving her head.
I spent two days removing them by hand.
They are truly hideous. However, hair dye and a vodka immersion are a good start on the cure.
therealhellkit
*
I have had one hideous turn with lice.
I was in the tub and turned my head to see a grand daddy of lice wiggling hello.
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGross.
I had just had invited a fella over for the night so it was between him and the round of hats that I had been testing during a shopping trip to the mall.
The fella or the hats?
I now spurn hat wearing in the malls and test the fellas a bit more closely before bedding them...er, :-(
IN-surance.
that's also big in some parts of Maine.
I've never heard of that Levetra thing before, but I want it, whatever it is.
See, you learn all sorts of these from drug ads down there. They're supposedly illegal up here, although they seem to get around it somehow for a lot of things.
On the other hand, I do some of my best work while hungover.
Moe Szyslak, hating coa
On the other other hand, you are neither endangering the lives of others nor doing it with my money ;>)
....and you can bring one down with a rock or bow and arrow
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 1:11 pm | #
personally I'm best with a sling.
"What am I doing wrong?"
Reading too much?
troot = trout
in some parts of Atlantic Canada.
"I'm gonna ask my doctor if the little paisley pill is right for me."
One pill makes you larger - and one pill makes you small.
That would be viagra and ephedra, folks.
I now spurn hat wearing in the malls and test the fellas a bit more closely before bedding them...er, :-(
Nancy Willing
The Parting of the Hairs.
On the other hand, I do some of my best work while hungover.
Moe Szyslak, hating coa
if you stay drunk, you'll never be hung over.
"Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-eight million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea ..."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
It doesn't serve the public interest; it only serves to boost ratings for the TV stations.
But, the teevee stations making tons of money due to high ratings IS the "public interest" in a Ferengi society!
personally I'm best with a sling.
therealhellkitty | 07.28.07 - 1:14 pm | #
i also look good in a sling.
I have no choice.
Doug Watts
Actually, that's the thing. If I drink too much too many days in a row (ahem), I don't tend to get hangovers. So, I've gotta slow down a bit, then step it up. It's complicated, this drinking calculus. Luckily, my cash flow, or lack thereof, determines most of this.
Transistor radios, baybee!
*
that was what kept my younger sis and me alive in the elementary grades - AM stations and one hit wonders all for a battery's worth of juice all night long.
I now spurn hat wearing in the malls and test the fellas a bit more closely before bedding them...er, :-(
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 1:13 pm | #
LOL! I'm betting on the hats. I think said daughter got them from a movie theater seat. They are apparently quite common there.
They are truly hideous. However, hair dye and a vodka immersion are a good start on the cure.
therealhellkit
Is this a good time for my story about discretely killing a pubic louse that was crawling down my leg in the middle of a graduate seminar?
No?
OK, I won't.
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"i also look good in a sling."
My ass has been in a sling
Klein just tells you that he thinks something because he's had an itchy ass since Tuesday.
The comments to Joke's idiocy were all over his ass. Several, including this writer, posted that Klein was totally outclassed by GG.
My ass has been in a sling
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
you were wearing it backwards.
I now spurn hat wearing in the malls and test the fellas a bit more closely before bedding them...er, :-(
Nancy Willing
Sponge worthy, so to speak.
The Rite Aid up the street has scientific calculators with all the trig functions for $7.99. Regular calculators are 89 cents.
In college, the TI scientific calculators we needed for trig and physics were like $80 bucks.
WTF !!!!
I was talking to a regular at the bar the other night, learned he hado grown up speaking Gaelic. He's a young guy, too, just in his 20s.
"you were wearing it backwards."
ah. no wonder it felt funny.
"WTF !!!!"
see how wonderfully the free market works?
The Parting of the Hairs.
Lime Rickey | 07.28.07 - 1:15 pm | #
or the salting of the slugs.
Doug, my hair is long enough to hide anything revealed. That was a big concern too with the great lice infestation of 1997.
Zombie soldiers demand impeachment!
Regular calculators are 89 cents
They'd be 88 cents if those goddamn Chinese slaves didn't eat so much.
That was a big concern too with the great lice infestation of 1997.
therealhellkitty | 07.28.07 - 1:19 pm | #
i hate to nit-pick but ...
actually, i just hate to nit-pick.
bench too conservative- ya think?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...ml?
hpid=topnews
LOL! I'm betting on the hats. I think said daughter got them from a movie theater seat. They are apparently quite common there.
therealhellkitty
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well I must admit that that particular fella became a best friend, lover, housemate and companion for many years - so I never really thought it was him.
Is <b>anyone</b> going to post on the Simpsons Movie?
OK, I won't.
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 1:17 pm | #
Bless you!
see how wonderfully the free market works?
Uncle Blodge
Yes. With the defeat of the Union of Socialist Texas Instrument Republics came the liberation of numbers large and small.
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Regular calculators are 89 cents
hah! i remember my first calculator. $15, and it could both add AND subtract.
weighed less than two pounds, too.
Bless you!
therealhellkitty
Fukkin' hippie chick. I should have know better.
I didn't know that "eirie" was Jamaican for "infested."
.
The Rite Aid up the street has scientific calculators with all the trig functions for $7.99. Regular calculators are 89 cents.
In college, the TI scientific calculators we needed for trig and physics were like $80 bucks.
The calc I got in 1974 with the fucntions was right at $200.
Is anyone going to post on the Simpsons Movie?
doug r
it was teh great.
dah dah dah dah-dah dah
dah dah-dah-dah-dah!
"Is anyone going to post on the Simpsons Movie?"
Sequel?
"i remember my first calculator"
i remember when the square root button was the shits.
yeah ... what homecoming said
In college, the TI scientific calculators we needed for trig and physics were like $80 bucks.
WTF !!!!
Doug Watts
*
my dad was chemE and I have his well worn slide rule and his first calculator - the $80 variety
I didn't know that "eirie" was Jamaican for "infested."
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 1:22 pm | #
my question is, were you teaching said graduate seminar or taking it?
"Fukkin' hippie chick."
I love hippie chicks. Love them I say.
Off to the gym. Later, all.
i remember when the square root button was the shits.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
i remember when they added the decimal point button.
bye for now
Is anyone going to post on the Simpsons Movie?
Thers loved it!
I like men now.
dude,
I took a lot of college courses because of the excellence of the reputation of the profs.
One was with a certain physics guy.
Black Holes was the class. He was superb and I loved the shit - way out of my element but the exams allowed the calculator - encouraged us to have the formulas at hand so I squeaked by with a B minus.
i remember when they added the decimal point button.
dirk gently, sociopathetic©
Well, ain't you SPECIAL?
I remember adding machines. My mother was the bookeeper for my old man's business and could really light up an adding machine.
hey - stop with the simpsons spoilers!
my question is, were you teaching said graduate seminar or taking it?
therealhellkitty
Taking it. But, seated at a seminar table, it would have been very easy to lob a question about the use of fragmentary data to reconstruct measurements of grain production in the Lowlands in the fifteenth century at some random grad student and then quiety crush the fucking pioneer louse before he set up a colony somewhere else and began lobbying for his rights.
.
In college, the TI scientific calculators we needed for trig and physics were like $80 bucks.
When they first came out, they were a lot more than that!
"i also look good in a sling."
This made me want to link to my favorite banana-hammock ever, the yellow one worn by Borat, but I can only find a flash version of it. Dammit!
Fewer See Balance in High Court Decisions
Roberts and Alito tricked the senators with charm and erudition.
somehow I was able to avoid anything above Algebra II and still graduated High School. I think they knew I wasn't going to learn the math and gave up.
Truly, If one isn't going into the sciences why do we need Algebra? especially when most people can't even understand the basics of compound interest? But then if the sheeple did our economy might founder.
"But what I really liked was that The Simpsons Movie relentlessly hews to and espouses Good Liberal Values. It is not crassly partisan"
Fucker Homer AND his spider-pig!
The creep that stalked and hilled actress Rebecca Shaffer was stabbed in prison 11 times and fucking lived.
and then quiety crush the fucking pioneer louse before he set up a colony somewhere else and began lobbying for his rights.
Had that extra bowl of wheaties with prunes today, did ya?
I missed by about 3 years using a slide rule in high school trig and physics. They are actually quite cool devices. The log lines on nautical charts that let you compute your boat speed with pointers or string are the same idea. GPS and calculators etc. are kool until you have no batteries that work.
"hey - stop with the simpsons spoilers!"
Deeply sorry.
Truly, If one isn't going into the sciences why do we need Algebra?
Business math is big on three-variable formulae and quadratics, for some reason.
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I remember adding machines. My mother was the bookeeper for my old man's business and could really light up an adding machine.
billy b - toys in the attic | 07.28.07 - 1:26 pm | #
i had an abacus.
no, really. i even had a book - "how to use an abacus"
learned to add, subtract and multiply pretty well with it, but never did get the hang of division. kind of like when i took flying lessons and learned everything but how to land. no, i wasn't a terrorist - just a quitter.
But what I really liked was that The Simpsons Movie relentlessly hews to and espouses Good Liberal Values
Thers -
we had a hippie farm gathering to watch the Eagles every Sunday with a post showing of Sixty minutes that rapidly embraced the Simpsons.
I learned my football at that table next to the wood burning stove, twirling my long-necked Rolling Rocks.
I hear that Homer eats a donut.
"hey - stop with the simpsons spoilers!"
at least no one is worrying anymore about the harry potter spoilers
I missed by about 3 years using a slide rule in high school trig and physics.
Hubby used one. He still can; never made any sense at all to me, although I dimly recall some poor sucker of a math teacher trying to show me how to use one in high school.
"Roberts and Alito tricked the senators with charm and erudition."
Sweet, smarmy, unctious demi-evil.
Had that extra bowl of wheaties with prunes today, did ya?
billy b
Dude, I'm not really 94 years old. That was a joke.
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 1:26 pm | #
Gotta watch those subversive lice. They know their rights and will argue you into providing running water and electricity if you aren't careful
I missed by about 3 years using a slide rule in high school trig and physics. They are actually quite cool devices.
We used slide rules in HS. Cool device. Not at all hard to use.
I hear that Homer eats a donut.
Gomez | 07.28.07 - 1:30 pm | #
SPOILER ALERT!
everyone BUT homer.
(ok, it's safe now)
I hear Marge's hair gets kinda goofy.
hey - jeevan seems to have added a scroll troll blocker of his own! never got the "too many carraige returns" message before.
wonder how it works with song lyrics? i'll have to try some ....
Business math is big on three-variable formulae and quadratics, for some reason.
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Grand Moff Texan
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just read a recently published study that showed that math studies improve science learning
NO DUH
the study was funded by beltway NSF - for god's sake
we fucking know that science is grounded in math as in the everyday world, physics et al
pour the money into class room units not stupid university waste-o-time bs.
Dude, I'm not really 94 years old. That was a joke.
I realize that, home skillet.
I was referring to your posting today.
It is of the 'on a roll' variety, ergo the extra Wheaties...
I want to see the Simpsons movie, but not anytime close to the opening weekend.
In college, the TI scientific calculators we needed for trig and physics were like $80 bucks.
In grad school I had to do calculations on machines changed to desktops. Before that, I did a lot of Copernican calculations cursing base 60.
The actress that plays Maggie really sucks.
Roberts and Alito tricked the senators with charm and erudition.
Lime Rickey | 07.28.07 - 1:27 pm | #
Put it on the nation's tomb.
I realize that, home skillet.
Nor am I young enough to be called home skillet!
OK, just joking. By your references over time, I've gathered that I'm at least a few years your junior.
Lately, I've had to go abroad to TP and Drum to find good trolling.
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Truly, If one isn't going into the sciences why do we need Algebra?
and if one is not going into journalism, why bother with english?
I want to see the Simpsons movie, but not anytime close to the opening weekend.
I'm a giant Simpsons fan, but I told Zapette that I wouldn't see it until she gets to see that H.P. movie nonsense.
And finish the book.
Afternoon, freethinkers
Is everyone having a good weekend?
"Roberts and Alito tricked the senators with charm and erudition."
*
fuck that shit, the GOPers were threatening their nuclear option - it was a perfect time to test the bullshit and the DEMs backed off.
uh, that is "chained"
Is everyone having a good weekend?
Ripley
We refuse to be brow-beaten into joining your accommodationist narrative.
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Why have all pitchers now turned into pussies now that Bonds is one away from the record?
THROW HIM THE DAMN BALL!!
I want to see the Simpsons movie, but not anytime close to the opening weekend.
V for Virginia
i went to the 5:00 show, which wasn't too crowded. of course, this is east cobb and i don't think a lot of the audience appreciated much of the social humor.
esp. the church scenes.
OK, just joking. By your references over time, I've gathered that I'm at least a few years your junior.
51 week after next.
The trools can't hang here any more.
All we get is the pedantic sort what won't respond.
There's no fun in that.
I'm a giant Simpsons fan, but I told Zapette that I wouldn't see it until she gets to see that H.P. movie nonsense.
cthulhu?
I got an A in high school because I knew how to use a sliderule. There was only one other guy who could use one
i went to the 5:00 show, which wasn't too crowded. of course, this is east cobb and i don't think a lot of the audience appreciated much of the social humor.
I'm thinking an early show during the week, to be safest. Don't want to have to hurt any of our nation's precious future.
You know, re CBS' story on Oscar the Cat, it seems to me I saw a magazine cover story with Katie Couric saying, "Sometimes I wake up in the morning and say, 'What have I done?'"
You've put the last nail in the coffin of media credibility. That's all.
"The trools can't hang here any more."
you mean shoelimpy is no more?
51 week after next.
Well, happy birthday (and afterbirth day) in advance, old bean!
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THROW HIM THE DAMN BALL!!
Preferably at his head.
Where's Don Drysdale or Bob Gibson now that we need them?
Why have all pitchers now turned into pussies now that Bonds is one away from the record?
no kidding.
Got a 60 in a long division test in fifth grade. My teacher said, you can do better than that, so she let me take it again. I got 45. So next class, I learned how to use a slide rule and an abacus. Teach wasn't amused, even when I explained to how how logarithms worked; that, if anything, made it worse.
A good thing about slide rules, that they make logs intuitive.
Truly, If one isn't going into the sciences why do we need Algebra?
--
Because education is not job training.
"Sometimes I wake up in the morning and say, 'What have I done?'"
Or, "Who the hell is that next to me?"
cthulhu?
Oh, I just say that. Not into the HP stuff, but I don't have a problem with it, either.
I know people are defensive of the boy, so sometimes, I'm a jerk about it.
"Why have all pitchers now turned into pussies now that Bonds is one away from the record?"
Bonds's good friend Dontrelle Willis will serve up some history tonight.
And there's always me.
"Where's Don Drysdale or Bob Gibson now that we need them?"
it was either drysdale or Sal Maglie who told a batter who had foulded off about 9 straight pitches "you want to get on base so damn bad?" then hit him in the ribs.
A good thing about slide rules, that they make logs intuitive.
ProfWombat | 07.28.07 - 1:39 pm | #
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Yes !!!
And I had the hardest time understanding logs because I couldn't get a mental picture in my head of what they hell they were.
Where's Don Drysdale or Bob Gibson now that we need them?
billy b - toys in the attic
Clemente fixed Gibson's ass. Gibson threw at Clemente, and Clemente retalliated by hitting the ball right back and Gibson and broke his leg.
Truly, If one isn't going into the sciences why do we need Algebra?
and if one is not going into journalism, why bother with english?
dirk gently, sociopathetic© | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 1:34 pm | #
That isn't my point. I just think that the emphasis for a majority of kids these days should be on practical applications of math for daily use.
As for the uses of English. I have read many a resume written by engineers that could benefit from a few English grammar courses
we had a hippie farm gathering to watch the Eagles every Sunday with a post showing of Sixty minutes that rapidly embraced the Simpsons.
I learned my football at that table next to the wood burning stove, twirling my long-necked Rolling Rocks.
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 1:29 pm | #
That sounds pretty sweet. Eagles camp opened yesterday. Football is almost here!
Not into the HP stuff, but I don't have a problem with it, either.
the old ones will be pleased. but if you ever go to arkham, keep a low profile - can't be too careful.
Correction: right back at Gibson.
And I had the hardest time understanding logs because I couldn't get a mental picture in my head of what they hell they were.
Doug Watts, lindane free
think paul bunyon.
"Because education is not job training."
yes it is. learning may not be but the educational system in this country has been, at least since the industrial revolution, geared towards providing replacement worker bees.
you mean shoelimpy is no more?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 07.28.07 - 1:37 pm | #
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long departed. not just randomly trooling under various one-time names and namestealing.
I'd argue that math topics like probability and statistics, and business math as would be useful to understand such things as credit cards and mortgages, are undertaught in favor of trig and analytic geometry. But the latter is an absolute prerequisite for physics and any higher study in math like calculus...
Why have all pitchers now turned into pussies now that Bonds is one away from the record?
THROW HIM THE DAMN BALL!!
Not one of them has the stones to be in the record books as the pitcher who "gave up" 755.
Trolls are getting killfiled now.
you mean shoelimpy is no more?
Uncle Blodge
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there was an infestation just yesterday of A.Gump
Why have all pitchers now turned into pussies now that Bonds is one away from the record?
THROW HIM THE DAMN BALL!!
Gomez | 07.28.07 - 1:35 pm | #
Maybe they're worried about him going all 'roid rage on them? HULK SMASH!!!!!
That isn't my point. I just think that the emphasis for a majority of kids these days should be on practical applications of math for daily use.
i guess my point is that (imho) algebra is the most practical major area of mathematics. trig, calculus, non-euclidian geometry - those don't get used much. but algebra is the simple application to use in most instances when you don't have a calculator (or cash register) handy.
I have my father's slide rule - the one he used doing submerged navigation in the early days of the nuclear navy. I've kept it hoping some of his math skills would rub off on me - or at least I'd learn to use it before electricity and batteries become unavailable.
Any tips?
A.Gump - ah yes I caught that.
I don't miss them, but it'll be nice to in a couple of years be able to razz the kids with "back in my day, we had trolls! Not like these things you call trolls today."
Well, happy birthday (and afterbirth day) in advance, old bean!
Old bean?
Now it's you who's at it...
Well, apparently Cheney's surgery was successful.
Oh well.
Democrats will raise their taxes. It is a conflict of interest for the media corporations in America to report information that could cause Republicans to lose power.
Let me put it on the record now.
The Steelers are going to SUCK this year.
5-11.
I think both algebra and geometry were good for me in terms of logical thinking; geography more for step-by-step stuff and algebra more for really understanding how numerical relationships work. But I wasn't ready for algebra in high school, and didn't 'get" it until I went back to college in my 40s. Plus, I had outstanding teacher then.
I just think that the emphasis for a majority of kids these days should be on practical applications of math for daily use.
I'm betting they don't have arguments like this in India, China, or Japan.
"Because education is not job training."
yes it is. learning may not be but the educational system in this country has been, at least since the industrial revolution, geared towards providing replacement worker bees.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 07.28.07 - 1:42 pm | #
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Disagree. Free, mandatory public education started in the Massachusetts Bay Colony in the 1600s. Its purpose had nothing to do with work, but for building the mind, and therefore the soul for God. During the Industrial Revolution, mill owners actively undercut public education because it was wholly unnecessary to have an education and work in a mill. The massive influx of immigrants into New England (from french canada mostly) belies this fact. These people and their kids could not speak English, many were illiterate had no schooling at all. That's why the mill owners wanted them. They were easily exploited, illiterate labor. Whatever skills they might need on the job would be taught on the job.
I would need to see some clear evidence of education being specifically geared solely to a local job market before I could accept that.
Well, apparently Cheney's surgery was successful.
depends on your definition of success.
Democrats will raise their taxes.
about fucking time someone took a responsible fiscal stance.
Well, apparently Cheney's surgery was successful.
Oh well.
ignoreland
They have located, isolated and removed his heart.
He's back to being a functioning Republican.
The Steelers are going to SUCK this year.
5-11.
I like Tomlin, though. Not sure if he's ready to be a head coach, but he did wonders here last year.
(and I'll say the Vikes will have that same record)
Because education is not job training.
Doug Watts, lindane free. | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 1:39 pm | #
I am well aware of that. But for kids who aren't going to pursue a college education why not give them a good grounding in practical math?
I was teaching theater in a small district on the TX coast. One day one of the kids looked at me and asked, "I'm gonna quit school at 15 and get a job as a well driller, why do I have to take this class". I had no answer other than it was a state requirement.
back in my day, we had trolls! Not like these things you call trolls today
yup, the thought police are making headway.
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -Barry Bonds says his problem with Bob Costas has to do with his reporting, not the broadcaster's height.
Bonds called Costas a "little midget man who knows (nothing) about baseball'' following this week's broadcast of HBO's "Costas Now.''
Costas knows more than George Will, who is taller.
I just think that the emphasis for a majority of kids these days should be on practical applications of math for daily use.
I'm betting they don't have arguments like this in India, China, or Japan.
theodoric | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 1:48 pm | #
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DING DING DING DING DING DING !!!
Education = job training = stupid people.
Actually, meta-stupid people, because the equation yields people who actually think knowledge has no value in and of itself.
Ergo, so much for all of Greek civilization's influence on modern humans and the entire Enlightenment. Fook it all !!!
"I'm gonna quit school at 15 and get a job as a well driller, why do I have to take this class".
suppose you hav $4.11 in your pocket and are really hungry - what's the most food you can buy at mcd's including tax?
Clemente fixed Gibson's ass. Gibson threw at Clemente, and Clemente retalliated by hitting the ball right back and Gibson and broke his leg.
Yeah, Clemente fixed Gibson's ass all right.
Fixed him so well that Bob came back and won three, count 'em, three games in the Series.
Oh, did I mention that Gisbon hit a home run in game 7?
heh.
I have my father's slide rule - the one he used doing submerged navigation in the early days of the nuclear navy.
I keep a circular slide rule, like the one I used in the Nav.
I'd argue that math topics like probability and statistics, and business math as would be useful to understand such things as credit cards and mortgages, are undertaught in favor of trig and analytic geometry. But the latter is an absolute prerequisite for physics and any higher study in math like calculus...
ProfWombat
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and I say that these are concepts that should be brought in to one's schooling via example well before one has to expect to be able to deliver the nuts and bolts of a rigorous math course.
The concepts that cross studies should be given some attention even in elementary school. The language and basic premise of how things work should be laid out over and over in different forms.
The brain understands things - grasps ahold of concepts well before being able to produce them - one failure of testing.
In other words, we are able to understand language before speaking it, Understanding is set before production or proof of understanding is set. It is the same with all intellectual excersize. We should put as much in front of the young as possible for absorption's sake.
dirk gently: suppose you hav $4.11 in your pocket and are really hungry - what's the most food you can buy at mcd's including tax?
In TN, three items from the dollar menu, and you'll have $0.84 left over.
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Found a web page that has basic slide rule instructions:
http://www.hpmuseum.org/srinst.htm
But for kids who aren't going to pursue a college education why not give them a good grounding in practical math?
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What's practical math ? Addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, fractions, decimals ?
You need all that to do algebra and calculus anyways.
Algebra and a keen understanding of the concepts behind algebra are of more practical use to tradesmen (construction, carpentry, plumbing, welding, building) than to an English lit major in college.
Understanding is set before production or proof of understanding is set. It is the same with all intellectual excersize.
i don't get it.
"I'm gonna quit school at 15 and get a job as a well driller, why do I have to take this class".
"Math" isn't really just about math ... it's about honing your analytical skills and learning how to break a problem down into its components.
Bonds called Costas a "little midget man who knows (nothing) about baseball'' following this week's broadcast of HBO's "Costas Now.''
That is kinda funny.
I would need to see some clear evidence of education being specifically geared solely to a local job market before I could accept that.
Doug Watts, lindane free. | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 1:49 pm | #
Doug, you have made my point here. If kids have math classes that directly outline the math that it takes to run one's life for budgeting, planning, retirement, credit and savings I don't think that as many people would get in trouble in those areas. Capital One's 0% interest for the first 8 month offer that shoots up to 23% thereafter might be less attractive if people understood it better.
"I'm gonna quit school at 15 and get a job as a well driller, why do I have to take this class".
This kid is wasting his time.
"I'm gonna quit school at 15 and get a job as a well driller, why do I have to take this class".
The Water table begins at 60 feet. To maximize the well's effectiveness you have to go 30% deeper. Pipe costs $0.47 per foot, and your drilling equipment requires extensions that rent for $113.50 per day. you have 2 laborers who earn $9.00 per hour, and you have to contribute 7.5% to their FICA earnings. How much do you charge to dig the well?
Well, Zapette's jewelry sale is in high gear!
Proceeds will go towards plumbing work on the new abode and getting her back to Scotland for a visit!
"I'm gonna quit school at 15 and start a conservative blog, why do I have to take this class".
"I'm gonna quit school at 15 and get a job as a well driller, why do I have to take this class".
actually, the kid doesn't need math, he needs remedial english.
he is going to quit school at 15 and get a job as a good digger.
the guy I am backing for governor has been the state treasusre for a while and started a free "money school" in all of the libraries. They are very well attended. I wonder if people are bringing their kids?
ignoreland.
not enuf info to answer your question...
a good driller, that is.
"I'm gonna quit school at 15 and get a job as a well driller, why do I have to take this class".
The Water table begins at 60 feet. To maximize the well's effectiveness you have to go 30% deeper. Pipe costs $0.47 per foot, and your drilling equipment requires extensions that rent for $113.50 per day. you have 2 laborers who earn $9.00 per hour, and you have to contribute 7.5% to their FICA earnings. How much do you charge to dig the well?
ignoreland | 07.28.07 - 1:57 pm | #
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Fug that, I'm just gonna make Daddy make me be Preznit.
a good driller, that is.
a fart smeller?
Well, Zapette's jewelry sale is in high gear!
Proceeds will go towards plumbing work on the new abode and getting her back to Scotland for a visit!
Zap Rowsdower
Hey, now! How are we doing these transactions? I'll take some o' that!
I wonder if people are bringing their kids?
Nancy Willing
They think money grows on trees.
he is going to quit school at 15 and get a job as a good digger.
dirk gently
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LOL
lighten up Atriots!~
whatever dumbing down we have wrought in Education it may well have been a result of an increasingly powerful central/federal dept.
look how the feds fucked up welfare entitlements and prisons and ad nauseum?
They think money grows on trees.
Lime Rickey | 07.28.07 - 2:00 pm | #
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Oh. Pium.
Hey, now! How are we doing these transactions? I'll take some o' that!
We can work something out, V. She hasn't really set up a payment method via the blog yet. Email me at my blog if you absolutely want something that's shown.
But I've gotta run..
BBL
actually, the kid doesn't need math, he needs remedial english.
he is going to quit school at 15 and get a job as a good digger.
dirk gently, sociopathetic© | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 1:58 pm | #
he needed a lot of remedial everything.
He had no intention of ever being in a position to own his own drilling company, therefore never had to worry about the costing of a bid.
I had students whose families made their livings hunting and gathering. It was a very interesting and eye opening experience.
So if I want to get a job as an Evangelical minister, then I don't even have to go to school.
I had students whose families made their livings hunting and gathering. It was a very interesting and eye opening experience.
therealhellkitty | 07.28.07 - 2:02 pm | #
But yet it's impolite and uncivil for John Edwards to talk about two Americas.
Not to mention partisan.
I had students whose families made their livings hunting and gathering.
yeah, my dad and most of my brothers are lawyers, too.
"Math" isn't really just about math ... it's about honing your analytical skills and learning how to break a problem down into its components.
Brooklyn Girl
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very solid cross over to analytical thought abilities
So if I want to get a job as an Evangelical minister, then I don't even have to go to school.
You still need math to make sure your male prostitute is not overcharging you for the meth.
Thank You, Snow!
he needed a lot of remedial everything.
He had no intention of ever being in a position to own his own drilling company, therefore never had to worry about the costing of a bid.
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This is exactly why elementary and secondary education is not about job training or what the kid thinks he/she wants to do at the moment.
What if a kid says he doesn't intend to ever vote. No U.S. history or civics for him ?
That's how we're in the fucking mess we're in now !
So if I want to get a job as an Evangelical minister, then I don't even have to go to school.
Doug Watts, lindane free
Indeed, it's a qualification if you don't.
ideally, math and english should be combined (although this was actually translated from polish)
Come, let us hasten to a higher plane
Where dyads tread the fairy fields of Venn,
Their indices bedecked from one to n
Commingled in an endless Markov chain!
Come, every frustrum longs to be a cone
And every vector dreams of matrices.
Hark to the gentle gradient of the breeze:
It whispers of a more ergodic zone.
-- stanislaw lem
You still need math to make sure your male prostitute is not overcharging you for the meth.
Snow, Contrary
What's a dime bag worth?
yeah, my dad and most of my brothers are lawyers, too.
dirk gently, sociopathetic©
You so damn funny.
So if I want to get a job as an Evangelical minister, then I don't even have to go to school.
Doug Watts, lindane free
home schooling.
grifting is both an art and a science.
What's practical math ? Addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, fractions, decimals ?
No. "practical math" is enough of an understanding of compound interest to be able to figure out why your mortgage payment or car payment is what it is, let alone understand why fixed-rate mortgages are so important.
practical math is enough of a grasp of basic probability to understand that "you can't win if you don't play" is not a mathematically sound reason to buy lottery tickets, that the fact that a coin flip yields heads three times in a row does not mean the next flip is more likely to come up tails, and that there's no point in studying the history of winning lottery numbers.
that said, these are things that ought to be taught (and probably are already in the curriculum) in junior high school.
the problem is not that we are teaching the wrong things, or that math is hard. the problem is that American kids, and their parents, are lazy.
and as far as the slide rule goes: it's an interesting example of a practical application of exponentiation and logarithms. it's not a tool that's practical in the 21st century, but it might be a nice thing to know how to do if Yellowstone ever blows.
What Are They Hiding?
dave™© | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 2:10 pm | #
let's impeach them and find out.
the fact that a coin flip yields heads three times in a row does not mean the next flip is more likely to come up tails, and that there's no point in studying the history of winning lottery numbers.
Actual shouting argument with fundie cousin on this very topic.
let's impeach them and find out.
Deal!
the fact that a coin flip yields heads three times in a row does not mean the next flip is more likely to come up tails,
ah, but what about the monty hall conundrum? you pick one door. before it is opened, monty shows you one of the losing doors. do you stay or switch?
theodoric | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 2:10 pm | #
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So generally, you are saying that math and math concepts are essential for a young and not so young mind to fight off and not be suckered into the enormous barrage of lies, obfuscation, scamming and general ill will that our friends and neighbors tempt us with via their jobs every day of their and our lives until we die.
Now THAT would be a great way to explain to kids why they need to know math.
ARTIST'S RENDITION OF CHENEY'S HEART
(10 times actual size)
So if I want to get a job as an Evangelical minister, then I don't even have to go to school.
depends on the denomination. a lot of mainstream protestant denominations, which require their clergy to have seminary degrees, consider themselves evangelical.
the southern baptist convention, for example.
Dave,
Make it magnetic and you've got a deal. I've never seen a 5" bumper.
theodoric | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 2:10 pm | #
You are unduly optimistic about what is being taught as a rule. Math is taught as if a particularly boring religious doctrine: move the beads to the left, chant, move to the right ...
ah, but what about the monty hall conundrum? you pick one door. before it is opened, monty shows you one of the losing doors. do you stay or switch?
you switch. I thought about mentioning the Monty Hall problem, but decided that was maybe a bit much for junior high school.
Who needs cats?
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I always thought that Cheney's heart had the same characteristics that black holes do.
Actual shouting argument with fundie cousin on this very topic.
V for Virginia | 07.28.07 - 2:11 pm | #
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Probability of all arguments with fundie cousins becoming shouting arguments over time period t = 1
for t < 1 minute
Actual shouting argument with fundie cousin on this very topic.
V for Virginia | 07.28.07 - 2:11 pm | #
I find that these require pulling out "why don't you call up God and explain how the world should have been designed?"
I always thought Monty was dragging it out so they could switch the best prize over to the door the suck... um, contestant chose. :}
you switch. I thought about mentioning the Monty Hall problem, but decided that was maybe a bit much for junior high school.
theodoric | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 2:15 pm | #
plus, we now have to call it the Drew Carey problem.
which is a much larger problem.
You are unduly optimistic about what is being taught as a rule. Math is taught as if a particularly boring religious doctrine: move the beads to the left, chant, move to the right ...
I'm not being optimistic at all. I'm just pointing out that the fact of the matter is that our students are lazy, our teachers are lazy, and our parents are lazy, and that China, India, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, and South Korea are eating our lunch.
do you stay or switch?
dirk gently, sociopathetic© | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 2:12 pm | #
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Depends on much you like Jolly Time popcorn.
"Speaking of cleavage, you have bigger boobs than I do"-Margaret Carlson to Fred Thompson
I, for one, welcome out Asian overlords.
I always thought Monty was dragging it out so they could switch the best prize over to the door the suck... um, contestant chose. :}
ignoreland | 07.28.07 - 2:17 pm | #
the thing the problem analysts almost always fail to mention is that monty knew which door was the winner, and didn't always offer a switch. or sometimes offered a totally different box.
he was a clever bastard.
I always thought Monty was dragging it out so they could switch the best prize over to the door the suck... um, contestant chose. :}
ignoreland | 07.28.07 - 2:17 pm | #
Strangely enough, my Mom once won the Big Deal prize. An entire kitchen of avocado and harvest gold appliances.
Probability of all arguments with fundie cousins becoming shouting arguments over time period t = 1
for t < 1 minute
Doug Watts, lindane free
This calculation is why I don't see those folks any longer.
The Lady Or The Tiger?
Stolen from Monty Hall's show, no doubt.
This whole god thing is easy to prove. Take your fundy cousin to Vegas. He prays, you don't. See who wins the most out of five times.
Strangely enough, my Mom once won the Big Deal prize.
did she make a fool of herself or just politely thank mr hall and collect her gift?
regarding floating-rate mortgages, balloon mortgages, and loans in general, as well as state lotteries:
it would be nice if society at large, and state governments in particular, would quit preying on the stupid. That, however, is not a solution to our educational problems.
See who wins the most out of five times.
Bjorn,a poor young country boi
No no no! Because Spag forbid HE does!
You are unduly optimistic about what is being taught as a rule. Math is taught as if a particularly boring religious doctrine: move the beads to the left, chant, move to the right ...
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But it's also taught in extremely rote and boring ways in all the other countries. I don't think Japan or Korea has all types of "fun and kool ways" to teach kids math that we don't know about.
Here is one big part of the problem. American culture looks down on intellectual achievement and actually celebrates stupidity. Other cultures do the opposite.
Japan does not have parents with bumper stickers that say, "My kid beat up your honor student."
We have lots of them.
My mother is not the overly effusive kind. I believe she did the latter.
I wonder if any of those who picked the goat (who always seemed to be eating), insisted on taking it with them.
Take your fundy cousin to Vegas. He prays, you don't. See who wins the most out of five times.
Bjorn,a poor young country boi | 07.28.07 - 2:22 pm | #
"god answers all prayers - it's just that sometimes the answer is 'no.'"
capricious bastard.
I'm not being optimistic at all. I'm just pointing out that the fact of the matter is that our students are lazy, our teachers are lazy, and our parents are lazy, and that China, India, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, and South Korea are eating our lunch.
theodoric
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AGREED
WHITE HOUSE TURNING TO CHEETOS BRIGADE TO GET MESSAGE OUT
butterbar is being uncooperative.
China, India, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, and South Korea are eating our lunch.
they are going to get fat.
I'm not being optimistic at all. I'm just pointing out that the fact of the matter is that our students are lazy, our teachers are lazy, and our parents are lazy, and that China, India, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, and South Korea are eating our lunch.
theodoric
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AGREED
Nancy Willing
Excuse me?
I'm not being optimistic at all. I'm just pointing out that the fact of the matter is that our students are lazy, our teachers are lazy, and our parents are lazy, and that China, India, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, and South Korea are eating our lunch.
theodoric
And pretty soon they'll be eating our breakfast and dinner, too.
My parents told me as a kid that if I didn't study hard and do well in school I would be a loser. They also told even if I did study real hard and do well, I still might be a loser.
And that made all the difference.
Who can save the GOP?
Phila
My bet is on the big bird
And pretty soon they'll be eating our breakfast and dinner, too.
Brooklyn Girl, caffeinated | 07.28.07 - 2:26 pm | #
good thing they all have decent healthcare - they are going to need it.
China, India, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, and South Korea are eating our lunch.
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No wonder I'm out of hot dog buns.
WHITE HOUSE TURNING TO CHEETOS BRIGADE TO GET MESSAGE OUT
when I read that last night, I wondered whether there was a possibility that the WH felt the need to convene that telecon because there were rumblings of disaffection among the faithful.
then I decided no, they did it to prop up their own illusions of sanity.
Brooklyn Girl
Simels wanted us to tell you that he loves you.
Be warned. You now have several Atriettes jealous.
My bet is on the big bird
Nancy Willing
ah say, ah say - sody pop! watch it fizz!
My bet is on the big bird
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 2:27 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
My only concern is that he's a little too much like Bush. None of his plans ever seem to work out very well.
He'd definitely help to carry the South, though.
Excuse me?
DWD -
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come on get real here
no one is pulling punches just to cover the few who fall outside this box
teachers' unions protect the poor teachers and made the NCLB shit so appealing to congress and saleable.
we have dropped our standards from the sixties rigor to now touchyfeely self esteem bull shit
this is not to say one thing on you DWD
Holy shit, the ignorance being bandied about as prescience right now is so thick I would have thought this was Little Green Footballs. What gives, people? Did people suddenly get the stupids while I was out this morning?
The thing about generalizations is that they are almost always wrong (including this one I suppose) Schools are doing the best they can considering the limitations they are given. Teachers are BUSTING THEIR ASSES EVERY FUCKING DAY FOR YOU AND YOU CALL THEM LAZY? Right? And a lot of parents are doing an outstanding job.
oh, by the way, Joe Nacchio got six years yesterday. all is not lost.
oh, by the way, Joe Nacchio got six years yesterday
the pantyhose guy?
[/snark]
curriculm of "feel gooditis" and the administration of "promote the uneducated" is fact and the problem is there. is it fair to call it a product of laziness? what then?
the kids who aren't learning are being promoted.
There's two choices in life.
Dumb but not lazy.
Lazy but not dumb.
we have dropped our standards from the sixties rigor to now touchyfeely self esteem bull shit
This has nothing to do with unions. We have the same problem here in Texas and the teachers' union is completely powerless. So how are unions supposed to be responsible for things that can't do?
Parents simply will not accept the grades their students deserve. Teachers have learned the hard way that they can either go along with this, or fight it without support and without hope of improvement.
Education is just another consumer relationship. Unions didn't do that, a consumerist sense of entitlement did.
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"Who can save the GOP?"
My husband!
Oh, Nancy, you have not seen how incredibly petty and incompetent administrators are. They are, by and large, the most mendacious, foolish people I have ever met in my life. Honestly, they are - almost without exception - the worst group of people I have ever known. In my thirty years of teaching I have had two who were good at their jobs, two who were competent and the rest were just absolute fools or worse. Teaching without the protection of the ASSOCIATION (not a union) would be unthinkable.
Grand Moff Texan
your unions do not protect bad teachers job?
There are many flaws in how math is taught in Japan and I don't even think the problem is rote. If US schools used rote and did applications that made sense to kids, it would be better than their current message of "this is needed for credentials only and we don't have to do a good job".
As for schools, teachers are underpaid, over managed, and under supervised.
when I read that last night, I wondered whether there was a possibility that the WH felt the need to convene that telecon because there were rumblings of disaffection among the faithful.
then I decided no, they did it to prop up their own illusions of sanity.
theodoric | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 2:28 pm | #
Did you see the other times they called in the 101st fighting keyboarders? Iraq War and Bird Flu.
Seems somewhat random.
Whoever said this maladministration ever made sense, though.
the kids who aren't learning are being promoted.
Nancy Willing
Yes, and the kids who ARE learning are victimized by other kids.
Our education system didn't create American anti-intellectualism, it has merely failed to destroy it.
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DWD I will gladly lay much of the blame at the administrator's feet in that it is typically tied to local political boondoggle and a ladder into the political game.
your unions do not protect bad teachers job?
Nancy Willing
They couldn't if they wanted to.
Texas teachers can't even strike.
So, how is the union supposed to be responsible where it is powerless? That's a failed model right there.
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the kids who aren't learning are being promoted.
Nancy Willing
Okay - balls in your court (I am not saying I agree with social promotion either) but what are you going to do with these people?
a paragraph from one of sully's posts, today:
'On the deeper point, however, I think Glenn is right. One of my own errors before the war was a function of being steeped in Washington policy debates - and neo-conservative arguments - for years. I had been so conditioned to suspect Iraq after 9/11 that my skepticism deserted me. I mentioned Saddam on September 12. The result was that the prelude to the Iraq war was far too easily framed by the information and biases of the Beltway elite, the Pentagon establishment, and the neocon brain-trust. Worse, we were unspeakably condescending to those on the outside who were right. We trusted far too much, and people much further away from the levers of power saw more clearly than we did. I don't think Joe was the worst offender in this camp, which is why I find the focus on him strange. But he wasn't immune, and neither was I. In so far as the blogosphere has opened up this stifling cartel of received wisdom, it is all for the better.'
this passage from above bugs me: 'and people much further away from the levers of power saw more clearly than we did.'
so, sully is pulling some levers? he's also been doing so much CYA about his iraq position the past few months that i can't stand it.
just sayin'...
you have not seen how incredibly petty and incompetent administrators are
the real problem is that everyone else sucks.
That is one reason that the attack on Obama's book club was so insideous to me.
We need to have kids loving to read.
Reading increases all levels of intellegence.
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We need a catchy new name for the completely-different-program that is not-the-TSP that Abu Gonzales was actually referring to when unreasonable Congressmen thought he was referring to the TSP. But wasn't, really, according to Tony Blow.
I propose "Innocent American Citizen Surveillance Program".
Rolls right off the tongue, don't it?
DWD - White Haired Guy | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 2:30 pm | #
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DWD -- all teachers are different.
I had many teachers in high school who did not teach. They actually invited students to change the subject to the high school sports teams so as to chew up class time. Not surprisingly, these teachers also taught high school basketball, hockey and football or were asst. coaches. It was obvious to us they were sports coaches first and only taught a class because they had to.
I also had some incredibly good teachers.
Often, the kids in the "low levels" got the worst teachers and the advanced kids got the best teachers.
BUSTING THEIR ASSES EVERY FUCKING DAY FOR YOU AND YOU CALL THEM LAZY?
my mother was probably the best teacher her school district had to offer. what made her glad to retire was not that she was overworked, but that she had to drag most of her colleagues kicking and screaming into the silicon age, adopt stupid meaningless grading policies, and argue with parents who felt their little ritalin cases were being abused.
Clearly 100% of teachers are not lazy. but, just as clearly, well fewer than 100% of them are not "busting their asses".
for years. I had been so conditioned
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yeesh
what a putz
but what are you going to do with these people?
DWD - White Haired Guy | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 2:37 pm | #
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They stay in school until they get a passing grade.
Teaching without the protection of the ASSOCIATION (not a union) would be unthinkable.
DWD
Yuppers.
Between the admin & parents teachers really do need a strong association. And yes perhaps it does protect a few bad apples here and there but so what.
People are not completely stupid about local clues. If the school plant is a slum, the teachers are paid shit and treated badly, the testing is designed to show students they are being funneled into crap jobs - kids and teachers will draw the appropriate conclusions about the social importance of the task.
If you go to Dearborn academy and have swimming pools, massive libraries, a park, high windows, teaching jobs that draw competition you will understand the value of your education differently than if you have raw sewage seeping out into the halls of an urban school with a rent-a-cop and metal detectors at the door.
Parents simply will not accept the grades their students deserve. Teachers have learned the hard way that they can either go along with this, or fight it without support and without hope of improvement.
Some undeserved promotion is honestly an effort to remove older unruly kids from the lower grades so the teachers can teach those that fully deserve a learning environment free from older disruptive children with no interest in learning. Most of the problem children themselves come from homes with little interest in education or the welfare of their children.
Education is just another consumer relationship. Unions didn't do that, a consumerist sense of entitlement did.
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 2:33 pm | #
When I started teaching I went in with a lot of great plans to teach the kids in my care with very high standards. I spent the summer creating lesson plans using the Kennedy Center theater curriculum which is in accordance with state and national standards.
When I got into the classroom and actually tried to teach these things, the kids looked at me as if I had just hit hem with a sofa. Before he first six weeks were up parents were pulling their kids out of my class because my grading standards were too strict. I actually expected them to learn something and turn in their assignments.
Someone finally clued me in to the fact that if a kid has a GPA below a certain point they can't enter their FFA animals in the stock show. Apparently a lot of prize money hangs in the balance and parents didn't want their children's education to get in the way of that.
your unions do not protect bad teachers job?
Go fuck yourself.
Seriousely. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
Grand Moff Texan
your unions do not protect bad teachers job?
Nancy Willing
Actually, the Michigan Education Association recognizes this problem and works with the district to make sure that all of the procedures that have been agreed to are followed. Once they have followed the procedures - assigning a mentoring teacher, putting the teacher on probation, giving them extra help and so on - they will ASSIST the district in ridding them of the teacher.
They only make sure the correct procedures are followed and that terminations are not made for petty reasons. Does that strike you as wrong?
for years. I had been so conditioned
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yeesh
what a putz
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 2:38 pm | #
that part jumps out too, nanc...
well fewer than 100% of them are not "busting their asses".
er, well fewer than 100% of them ARE busting their asses.
Clearly 100% of teachers are not lazy. but, just as clearly, well fewer than 100% of them are not "busting their asses".
theodoric
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for one thing the typical dept of ed in any university is chock full of losers (I had first hand experience as I took a few master level ed courses after the psych ba)
my mom was proudly the very first woman teacher in Ohio to continue to teach while married. when my dad was to go overseas she insisted that they get married first so he high tailed it to Fayette. She told her superintendent that she would quit if they liked, but that she was damned getting that ring before her man set sail for Europe.
Let's see; we had explosions in Dallas, Vegas and Phoenix this week. Does that sound like a pattern to anyone but me? Regulation is for the twentieth century.
Disrespect for education is a self-reinforcing cycle. I saw this teaching in a university where open contempt of kids for losers who "couldn't do" got a reciprocal contempt from faculty. It's a matter of economics: administrators are not rewarded for happy high quality teaching staffs and high standards.
the real problem is that everyone else sucks.
dirk gently
Education suffers from the same managementitis that infests the private sector as well.
Consultants and administrators eat the extra money we keep putting into education. The people who do the real work get sweet fuck all.
This is a common American attitude: if you do the real work, you're obviously no fucking good. Let's give more money to management.
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They stay in school until they get a passing grade.
Doug Watts, lindane free.
Sorry, that is silly. They will stay in school until they can leave legally and then they will take up the only jobs available to them since we have shipped all of the jobs they could have done overseas: Robbery, drug-dealing, pimping or prostitution, hustling or enforcing for someone else.
That is not an answer. Sorry.
er, well fewer than 100% of them ARE busting their asses.
theodoric
fewer than 100% of workers at *any* workplace are busting their asses.
Clearly 100% of teachers are not lazy. but, just as clearly, well fewer than 100% of them are not "busting their asses".
theodoric
Those who work hard will be punished. Those who let students pass through like chorizo diarrhea are rewarded.
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They only make sure the correct procedures are followed and that terminations are not made for petty reasons. Does that strike you as wrong?
DWD
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no as acknowledged, the school administration is the breeding ground for politics and it logically leads to a perverse system all around where protections are necessary.
At least yours addresses a problem.
Another union-oriented problem around here is that the new teachers are placed in the worst performing/lowest economically secure schools and then rewarded with a move out to "better pastures"
that is one sick and cyclic adversity
There is truly a multi-generational systemic rot which becomes evident in parents who themselves have no interest in edumacation or who are only concerned with the grade -- not whether their kid actually learned something. Teachers cannot be held responsible for these sad fucks but are held responsible for trying to undo the damage these turds do to their own kids, and the kids often do to other kids in the class who are trying to learn.
But again, our culture's worship of stupidity and active ridicule of intelligence is the overlay which invisibly guides the boat.
Apparently a lot of prize money hangs in the balance and parents didn't want their children's education to get in the way of that.
therealhellkitty
Ditto playing on the sports teams.
A lot of the problems teachers face have nothing to do with education and everything to do with all the problems kids bring to school. The reason I've opted out of school social work is that the kids are just a symptom of the really fucking awful lives they live at home.
It's hard for a parent who, him/herself struggled and never finished high school to take their kids' education seriously. It's hard for a kid to get into reading if they've never, ever seen an adult holding a book except at school.
I only taught in Title I schools Iby choice) and I can say I saw probably three teachers who were just putting in their time. The others were astonishingly dedicated and worked well more than the hours required, invested their own money in classroom supplies, the whole nine.
it's not just one problem, and it's simplistic to put the blame on teachers.
(Disclaimer -- child of ESE teacher.)
for one thing the typical dept of ed in any university is chock full of losers (I had first hand experience as I took a few master level ed courses after the psych ba)
in some states, there's a legal requirement that teachers have the MEd within five years of hiring on. this has the effect of making masters' programs rubber stamp formalities.
I question the value of degrees in education in any case. you don't need a degree in education to know a subject well enough to teach it, and too many people use them (particularly the graduate degrees) as credentials to enter professions they should not be in.
Consultants and administrators eat the extra money we keep putting into education. The people who do the real work get sweet fuck all.
This is a common American attitude: if you do the real work, you're obviously no fucking good. Let's give more money to management.
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Grand Moff Texan
DING DING DING DING
give the man a dounut
the kids who aren't learning are being promoted.
Nancy Willing
That's always been the case. Never known it not to be.
Public schools are probably about as effective as they've always been. A percentage of kids excel for various reasons and a lot of them are there because they have to be.
That's always been the case, as well.
"When I got into the classroom and actually tried to teach these things, the kids looked at me as if I had just hit hem with a sofa."
ditto.
I wrote a long post about schooling being about preparation for the workforce and helloscan fucking ate it.
One thing about the assholes in charge, they tend to give us clues
we get sinking confidence in Bushco and subsequently
gut HDS oh my (no basis)
dry run freakout (no basis)
and well timed explosions
and a freaking Iraq ambassador mouthing FEAR FEAR FEAR
Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 2:44 pm | #
actually, i meant "everyone sucks but me" - as a general attitude. not quite entirely unlike snark.
Once everyone is over the shock of this tragedy, we need to think long and hard about why it's necessary to endanger the public safety on behalf of TV news ratings.
r€nato, love peace and grease
Hence the logic of TURNING OFF the TeeVee, from this point forward. Saves energy, too...
It's blatant abuse of the Public Trust, like so many other initially good things, it has become its own opposite number, due to greed, anger and stupidity.
er, well fewer than 100% of them ARE busting their asses.
theodoric
I suppose that in your job you are EXPECTED to spend your own money buying supplies so that you can actually do your job, right? And you actually can go to the bathroom when you want? You get a break in the morning AND the afternoon?
The teachers that are at my school - EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THEM - buy their own supplies. Start early and work late and spend their evenings contacting parents. Often we spend our weekends watching our kids participate in extra curricular activities because their parents never would.
Damn! If you are so concerned about teachers being lazy and the schools failing: contact your nearest elementary school and offer to volunteer an hour or two a week. Just go and help a kid learn to do math or to read. Maybe you can befriend a kid who is lost in the shuffle because some poor child just out of the university has been given a classroom with thirty six year olds and has no idea of what to do with this many children cause they never covered this one at school.
Damn! I am sorry but I get tired of people talking talking talking about stuff that they observe from a distance. You can make a difference and learn something at the same time. Do it.
I wrote a long post about schooling being about preparation for the workforce and helloscan fucking ate it.
Uncle Blodge
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I have not met such discouragement yet TODAY but the last few days was a fucking mess.
There is truly a multi-generational systemic rot
agreed. thirty-odd years ago when I was in high school, my senior year english teacher used to look back (cringing) over her shoulder at me every time she wrote a four-syllable word on the board, to make sure she was spelling it correctly.
"Another union-oriented problem around here is that the new teachers are placed in the worst performing/lowest economically secure schools and then rewarded with a move out to "better pastures""
yeah. and you get stuck in a class with kids who don't want to be there, who have little positive in their home life, who dodge drugs on the way home, and who see in the real world no evidence that education really works. the suburbs say we have all the money we need and the administration gives you nothing (I had to buy my own chalk, as I've said) so who wouldn't want to move out?
Disrespect for education is a self-reinforcing cycle.
It's the Murkan way.
CAL RIPKEN JR. - Proof that if you kiss the media's butt, they'll put you in Cooperstown even when you don't deserve it.
baby eating owls from iraq.
The teachers that are at my school - EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THEM - buy their own supplies. Start early and work late and spend their evenings contacting parents. Often we spend our weekends watching our kids participate in extra curricular activities because their parents never would.
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dude you guys need to create a spread sheet for the voters to see where their hard earned property taxes are being sucked up in adminstration costs. seriously what else can change it?
CAL RIPKEN JR. - Proof that if you kiss the media's butt, they'll put you in Cooperstown even when you don't deserve it.
BZZT.
Wrong.
I don't have any kidz, so I often wonder how children generally feel about school these days. I thoroughly enjoyed my K-12 public education experience. Though at the time, I was the unknowing beneficiary of an enormous DC suburb public education budget. I grew up naively assuming it must be this good everywhere.
Oh, and I'm sure I've mentioned my BFF, a former social worker-turned high school teacher. She has the kids who are at their last chance before expulsion. When she tried to enforce the rules -- these are kids who need structure, goddammit! -- parents complained, and the administration sided with the parents.
Three years and out for most teachers in Florida, and I can sure see why.
CAL RIPKEN JR. - Proof that if you kiss the media's butt, they'll put you in Cooperstown even when you don't deserve it.
What....the.....fuck.........?
That is SO wrong.
It's hard for a parent who, him/herself struggled and never finished high school to take their kids' education seriously.
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Not true. My brother got thrown out of school, got all Fs, hated school. Went into Marines. Came out, started working, got married, had kids. He is totally devoted to their education.
I would rephrase your sentence another way. People who don't value education are just stupid, shallow human blobs of nothing. Unfortunately for their offspring, many of them successfully breed.
You can make a difference and learn something at the same time. Do it.
excellent points. policy makers, governments, and the population at large are also to blame. I should probably have stopped at saying WE are lazy.
We can blame the Post, the Times, teevee news, Fox, talk radio, Smirky Bush crime family, on and fucken on, but the blame must go squarely on the shoulders of the brain dead American public. They have bought the horseshit from the right wing spin machine for the last 30 years and I see no reason to believe they can't be fucken mo-roned to death in the '08 election. If it comes to Obama or that bitch Hillary, I can imagine the scared shitless public going for Daddy will protect us law and odor Fred my old lady is a killer Thompson. If you think not, remember they voted twice for a good ole have a beer with village mo-ron bush.
I went 12 years of Catholic schools.
We had disruptive kids that didn't want to learn either.
Difference was that the parochial schools have the option of kicking them out.
Public schools...nope.
Oops =
We had disruptive kids that didn't want to learn TOO.
When she tried to enforce the rules -- these are kids who need structure, goddammit! -- parents complained, and the administration sided with the parents.
I hear this same sad story over and over again from secondary school teachers.
Sad that no one will listen to the people who do the real, you know, work, 'n stuff.
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"Damn! I am sorry but I get tired of people talking talking talking about stuff that they observe from a distance."
Why are you sorry?
I might add having to deal with violence (but around and at you) and mental health issues (two suicidal students this year).
in addition to making up for the shortfall in supplies and the lack of positive influences at home we are expected to make a chalk and talk curriculum relevant.
I will close with the following - a teacher told a relative of hers "you're so happy to get your kids back in school. after 3 months you're sick of dealing with your 2 kids. then they and 150 others come to me for 9 months. and you think I have it easy?"
Damn! I am sorry but I get tired of people talking talking talking about stuff that they observe from a distance. You can make a difference and learn something at the same time. Do it.
Never. Gonna. Happen.
Much easier to bitch and moan about shit you have ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERTISE OR EXPERIENCE IN.
Am I being too harsh? Do I give a flying fuck?
Education suffers from the same managementitis that infests the private sector as well.
Let me encourage you to read Soka Education, by Daisaku Ikeda.
BZZT.
Wrong.
.276 hitter.
The fact that it is the intention of those in power to starve the schools and teach the kids nothing very much has everything to do the state of education in the country. The system stinks everywhere. It is impossible for most teachers to do a guality job. I speak of elementary education where it is really almost unbelieveable in my opinion.
"dude you guys need to create a spread sheet for the voters to see where their hard earned property taxes are being sucked up in adminstration costs. seriously what else can change it?"
I know you mean well here but once again you are telling the teachers to in their spare time fix it.
we have to fix so much as it is when will it stop? when will others take our experience and HELP!
Rip:
2632 consecutive games played
19 time All-Star
2 time MVP.
Career .276 hitter (21 seasons)
431 home runs
3184 hits
Read 'em and weep.
my daughter graduated at the top of her class. she never got a B in anything.
wait, neither did i... well, you know, in a different way.
fresh percale upstairs.
"Am I being too harsh?"
Probably
"Do I give a flying fuck?"
I doubt it.
.276 hitter.
For a short stop.
Over 21 seasons.
heh.
CAL RIPKEN JR. - Proof that if you kiss the media's butt, they'll put you in Cooperstown even when you don't deserve it.
it's a hall of FAME. not a hall of tremendous physical prowess. not a hall of how many championships you won. not a hall of top hitters. not a hall of moral paragons (although Ripken is hard to fault).
there's no disputing that the man who broke lou gehrig's record is, and ought to be, famous. he's not lou gehrig, but then nobody else is, either.
heh.
billy b - toys in the attic
.276 hitter.
Not good enough without the buttkissing.
And All-Star games are gotten with ballot-stuffing.
Bush crime family, on and fucken on, but the blame must go squarely on the shoulders of the brain dead American public.
What? You mean, we must TAKE FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY for being asleep at the wheel for 50 years, not shiving a particular git, fat& happy?
You're absolutely correct, of course. Reality is a perfect mirror of ourselves.
there's no disputing that the man who broke lou gehrig's record is, and ought to be, famous.
It doesn't impress me that he showed up for work.
He is a good player, just not a great player.
Not good enough without the buttkissing.
431 homers over 3000 hits.
Sorry the Pirates haven't had a player in say, 30 years that could carry Cal's jock, but hey, what can I tell you?
He was almast a unanimous choice. balloting the 3rd highest in history.
I bet the 8 that didn't vote him in were from Pittsburgh
Sorry the Pirates haven't had a player in say, 30 years that could carry Cal's jock, but hey, what can I tell you?
Barry Bonds. And that's not saying much anyway. Part of the reason the Pirates can't get good players is teams like the Orioles helped kill a salary cap. So F them and F Ripken.
Gomez only shows up at the end of dying threads. Ripken deserves to be there more than Bonds or Pete Rose, to cite the two extremes of probability.
He was almast a unanimous choice. balloting the 3rd highest in history.
A thin field caused that. Gwynn belongs there.
And for the record, Mazeroski didn't belong there either.
You need to be a lifetime .300 hitter or no dice.
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