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Corporate media is state media - and corporate communications are state communications.
Corporations, governments - a difference which makes no difference is no difference.
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Fast.
Er, sorry Hecate.
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Cynicus,
No problem at all. And your point is v. well taken.
Encryption technology will just keep getting better (and more ubiquitous), so they're chasing a moving target.
To everyone who voted for Ralph Nader in 2000:
A sincere, sincere "fuck you."
Encryption technology will just keep getting better (and more ubiquitous), so they're chasing a moving target.
Econ 102 | 12.15.07 - 7:13 pm | #
And when they made encryption illegal, we communicated by making rude signs at each other on video skype.
I'm glad somebody was alarmed. Jesus Christ.
Teaching your kids abstinence only is quite effective, if your goal is to be a young grandparent.
Meanwile, Mr. Dunkin Atrios-Donut, don't forget the heinous ChristoFascists lurking under your futon, recording...everything...
Heh, the Paxcast that's uploading now? About Panopticon.
And i'm still frozen on Miss October. Dmmed computer could have stuck to Miss September, but NOOOOOOOO......
Funny thing abotu encryption technology: it reverses the presumption of innocence. You got something too encrypted for the NSA to read, you are presumed an enemy agent up to no good, and are disappeared to Gitmo or points east.........
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don't forget the heinous ChristoFascists lurking under your futon, recording...everything...
Better than the Islamofacists lurking under yours, dumbass.
Hey, Lubemyanus has joined us.
Encryption technology will just keep getting better (and more ubiquitous), so they're chasing a moving target.
Oh. You might not want to go there, Mr Ignorance.
"And when they made encryption illegal, we communicated by making rude signs at each other on video skype."
Ha.
I doubt it will be made illegal, mostly because there's a lot of money involved in keeping things secret in the private sector.
To everyone who voted for Ralph Nader in 2000:
A sincere, sincere "fuck you."
bmc | 12.15.07 - 7:15 pm |
The democrats refuse to do anything right until Ralph Nader kills himself because he is just too powerful to compete with. So powerful is Ralph Nader that Al Gore couldn't properly contest the 2000 election results. That wasn't a result of Lieberman, Brazille, the DLC and certainly not Gore himself, it was all Nader's fault.
They say the arrangement could have permitted neighborhood-by-neighborhood surveillance of phone traffic without a court order, which alarmed them.
I'm sure it was more like "sector-by-sector" surveillance.
The rapid militarization of every facet of this country is fucking nuts.
To everyone who voted for Ralph Nader in 2000:
A sincere, sincere "fuck you."
bmc | 12.15.07 - 7:15 pm | #
Enjoy ass raping Arabs much, torture-enabler?
In a separate N.S.A. project, executives at a Denver phone carrier, Qwest, refused in early 2001 to give the agency access to their most localized communications switches, which primarily carry domestic calls, according to people aware of the request, which has not been previously reported.
And, coincidently, Qwest got its snout firmly pushed out of the NSA contracting trough.
Better than the Islamofacists lurking under yours, dumbass.
Stoli >>>>>>> Monitor.
I love you, pie.
Pogo (or Walt Kelly) was right:
We have met the enemy, and he is us.
Funny thing abotu encryption technology: it reverses the presumption of innocence. You got something too encrypted for the NSA to read, you are presumed an enemy agent up to no good, and are disappeared to Gitmo or points east.........
Part of why Phil Zimmerman's postcard/letter analogy is so good. He says that you should encrypt everything, not just sensitive information...
Miss March is not exactly inspiring.
Encryption technology will just keep getting better (and more ubiquitous), so they're chasing a moving target.
Oh. You might not want to go there, Mr Ignorance.
/Runs off to pee. Pops popcorn. Fixes new drink. Gets comfortable.
I doubt it will be made illegal, mostly because there's a lot of money involved in keeping things secret in the private sector.
Econ 102 | 12.15.07 - 7:17 pm |
So he is a libtard after all. Libtards as a rule know no history. The history of the US is it's perfectly legal for Andrew Carnegie and if you do you die or go to jail. Of course they could restrict a special service like encryption just to people who can pay a premium.
A sincere, sincere "fuck you."
Please tell me that to my face.
"Funny thing abotu encryption technology: it reverses the presumption of innocence. You got something too encrypted for the NSA to read, you are presumed an enemy agent up to no good, and are disappeared to Gitmo or points east........."
Reminds me of a comment made earlier about the police in Eugene and why they don't arrest people for smoking marijuana. "Are we supposed to arrest the whole town?"
Heh, the Paxcast that's uploading now? About Panopticon.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana
I hope so.
Miss March is not exactly inspiring.
Fine with me. These erections were getting in the way of my keyboard.
It's simplistic to view viewmasters of the grand canyon and then apply as a tour guide of Mt. Rushmore.
Think about it.
trifecta
I have that viewmaster!!!!
Part of why Phil Zimmerman's postcard/letter analogy is so good. He says that you should encrypt everything, not just sensitive information...
$!@$%^%*(&))))@$%#@%^??+_*(__
Heh, the Paxcast that's uploading now? About Panopticon.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana
I hope so.
lipreader
What, you didn't like Peter and the Wolf, motherfucker?
I had a lot of fun with that one...
I guess I should have saved my blogwhore for this post, since it deals with the same subject: authoritarianism and the destruction of democratic principles.
Timing never has been my long suit.
Part of why Phil Zimmerman's postcard/letter analogy is so good. He says that you should encrypt everything, not just sensitive information...
Yeah, duh. But is the thrill of being clever worth being waterboarded for a message reminding you to pick up milk on the way home?
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No need to be rude.
Naderites: Does the blood on your hands ever wash off? Do you feel guilty about all of the people who have been murdered because of your hubris?
"Of course they could restrict a special service like encryption just to people who can pay a premium."
Good luck enforcing that.
That wasn't a result of Lieberman, Brazille, the DLC and certainly not Gore himself, it was all Nader's fault.
kei & yuri | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 7:17 pm | #
Sigh. I don't forgive anyone involved in that fuckup from Al Gore who picked Liarman to be his VP and showed unseemly unwillingness to fight. to Janet Reno who didn't protect black voters in Florida, and the democratic congressmen who didn't understand or care about the stakes, but Nader and Nader voters are guilty too. Despite massive cheating and illegality and Liarman, the Republicans stole it by the skin of their teeth and every enabler deserves blame.
These erections were getting in the way of my keyboard.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana
I set my laptop ON my erections. This is causing a bit of a problem
Zap, you voted for Nader?
Yeah, duh. But is the thrill of being clever worth being waterboarded for a message reminding you to pick up milk on the way home?
Actually, yes.
Yes, how could any intelligent person possibly not have been seduced by Loyal Joe Lieberman (which party is he again?) and a bizarrely over-managed version of Gore?
you voted for Nader?
Twice.
you voted for Nader?
Twice.
Zap Rowsdower
Please kill yourself.
I AM NOT GOING TO CHASE THESE THREADS....
Harrum. Arthur wants these for Christmas. Or, in the absence of fuzzy he wants These. With various faces. The point is, they squeak and he can't break thru them.
I'm not going to say this again. You know and love Arthur. It's Christmas. Honor your responsibilities, eh?
Go one thread down. He wants Booda babies andhe wants Hartz canvas squeaky toys. C'mon. Don't make me beg.
I have to go get a Lot-a-Burger. You can't do that. What you can do is make sure that Arthur has a Booda Baby or a Hartz canvas squeaky toy for Christmas.
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I don't blame Naderites. We're all complicit.
knap time
I don't blame Naderites. We're all complicit.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana
You voted for him, dipshit.
you voted for Nader?
Twice.
Zap Rowsdower
Tell me you didn't vote in Florida and I'll still love you. 
"Of course they could restrict a special service like encryption just to people who can pay a premium."
Hell, why not? They restrict political representation to a special service for those who pay the premium of big dollar Campaign Contributions.
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Please kill yourself.
bmc | 12.15.07 - 7:22 pm | #
Yes, that's lovely.
There's no difference between Gore and Bush.
the Republicans stole it by the skin of their teeth and every enabler deserves blame.
Okay, the Rethugs stole an election, ChoicePoint (the company that did the dirty work) admitted to everything under oath before the Florida State Senate --- and everyone deserves blame? What the fuck is that? You know, Bulgaria did what it did to start WWII.
NTodd voted for Nader? That explains the Kucinich thing then.
Despite massive cheating and illegality and Liarman, the Republicans stole it by the skin of their teeth and every enabler deserves blame.
Fair enough, but then, so do you, so do I.
I've said before that I'm not looking forward to explaining to my ancestors why I wasn't rioting in the streets. What are we going to do next time?
I don't blame Naderites. We're all complicit.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana
You voted for him, dipshit.
bmc | 12.15.07 - 7:23 pm | #
Uh, no. I voted for Gore.
bmc, we need to move on. Frankly, this country was already headed in the direction we've found ourselves. Would've happened sooner or later, I'm afraid.
I hope people don't like this direction, but we won't know for sure until next year, I'm afraid. And then, how much of the Bush horror and Constitution-fucking will be undone?
Miss March is not exactly inspiring.
EkCenTriK | 12.15.07 - 7:18 pm | #
whaddya mean?
It has to get worse before it gets better.
Tell me you didn't vote in Florida and I'll still love you.
lipreader | 12.15.07 - 7:23 pm |
Hell, if he's black, he wouldn't be allowed to, and there isn't a damn thing the Democrats would to to help their own voters.
I voted for Jerry Brown in the primaries in 1992.
NTodd voted for Nader? That explains the Kucinich thing then.
DK is nothing like Nader, so please stop with that shit. Really.
We need some media cleansing, too.
Uh, no. I voted for Gore.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana
I apologize.
Vote your conscience. Vote for the Green Party.
Please kill yourself.
Such a humanitarian.
Thanks, but I'll just keep on.
I've said before that I'm not looking forward to explaining to my ancestors why I wasn't rioting in the streets. What are we going to do next time?
The Witch speaks for me.
I've said before that I'm not looking forward to explaining to my ancestors why I wasn't rioting in the streets. What are we going to do next time?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 7:24 pm | #
That is an excellent question and I don't have a fucking clue about the answer. What do you suggest?
"It has to get worse before it gets better."
Sounds somewhat Taoist.
NTodd voted for Nader in 2000, he's lying.
DK is like Nader in that he has no chance to be anything but a spoiler.
DK is not Naderesque.
1. He actually stays engaged in the policy, and the arena at times he isn't running for President.
2. He isn't a dick to his staff.
Please kill yourself.
Don't be an ass.
NTodd voted for Nader? That explains the Kucinich thing then.
lipreader | 12.15.07 - 7:24 pm |
This is what we've been saying: you want to be mean to Naderites over the dire importance of realism, which went missing back when Al was being an Alpha Male, then how the hell do you not apply the same realism to the leprechaun we would love to have as a president but who will never get nominated?
Zod changed its name again
Well, i shouldn't have snarked about the NSA.
NOW i get Miss March.
Pfui.
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DK is like Nader in that he has no chance to be anything but a spoiler.
lipreader
How can you be a spoiler unless you run as an independant?
Hey bmc, you need to stop jerking off to Harry Reid photos and accept the fact that you are complicit in the war and torture, ok fuckface?
DK is like Nader in that he has no chance to be anything but a spoiler.
lipreader
It's a fracking primary.
Vote your conscience. Vote for the Green Party.
Ralph Nader | 12.15.07 - 7:26 pm | #
Build a fucking foundation at the state and local level, and I will vote for your presidential candidate. Until then, you only play the spoiler, so fuck off.
They say the arrangement could have permitted neighborhood-by-neighborhood surveillance of phone traffic without a court order, which alarmed them.
-Atrios 19:02
i'd comment, but that would just lower the discourse.
as usual...
I like Ralph Nader.
and Barney frank.
DK is like Nader in that he has no chance to be anything but a spoiler.
I'm trying to figure out when he said he'd run as an independent instead of respecting the will of the Democratic primary voters...
Nader: The Sleeper Candidate--sleeping in the basement on that sleeper sofa, next to Kucinich...
Oh the humanity!!
The horror!
How can you be a spoiler unless you run as an independant?
Arkenor
You could take away enough of the progressive votes in the primaries to let Clinton or Obama get the nomination.
Learn from your mistakes. Stop living in the past. Support Ron Paul.
Wink.
Owls.
Lubyanka's one of us. yanka is the key.
then how the hell do you not apply the same realism to the leprechaun we would love to have as a president but who will never get nominated?
kei & yuri | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 7:27 pm | #
Because we have this two stage process called "primary" and then "general election". Conceding that a progressive does not have much of a chance to win the primary, we nevertheless support him to try to build some strength for the progressive wing of the party. We reason that a Hillary or Obama or Edwards, looking over their shoulders at a lefty insurgency will not be as eager to sister souljah us in the general and when governing ...
Tell me you didn't vote in Florida and I'll still love you.
Minnesota.
IThat is an excellent question and I don't have a fucking clue about the answer. What do you suggest?
Getting involved NOW with Election Protection projects in every state, and spending as many volunteer hours as it takes to keep them from stealing votes/keeping African Americans and poor people from voting. Joining League of Women Voters and signing up people, starting now, to vote. Getting ready to riot. Reading Pax Americana and adopting as many of the techniques there as possible.
I'm an old woman with a bum ankle and next time they steal an election, I intend to make them shoot me or arrest me, one.
In a separate N.S.A. project, executives at a Denver phone carrier, Qwest, refused in early 2001 to give the agency access to their most localized communications switches, which primarily carry domestic calls, according to people aware of the request, which has not been previously reported.
It never was about fighting terrorism, Bush Daddy didn't trust any of us.
If you want a progressive candidate, you'd do well to vote for Edwards instead of Kucinich.
NTodd voted for Nader in 2000, he's lying.
Ralph Nader | 12.15.07 - 7:27 pm | #
LOL.
I considered it. But even though Gore would most likely win my state's piddling 3 EVs, I decided Ralph wasn't for me. I vote Green locally when I can, but I didn't see any value in Nader's grabbing for the brass ring without a foundation that would help him in Congress.
So I went with Gore, but hoped Ralph would at least get 5% in VT.
If you want a progressive candidate, you'd do well to vote for Edwards instead of Kucinich.
Alternately, we progressives can vote for the guy who voted against PATRIOT and AUMF, has proposed true universal healthcare, has vocally called for impeachment, and is the only true anti-war candidate.
Build a fucking foundation at the state and local level, and I will vote for your presidential candidate. Until then, you only play the spoiler, so fuck off.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana
Actually, that is probably the answer for the dilemma we progressives find ourself in every two years.
We wind up voting for the Di-Fis and the Harmons and the Reids because we can't bear to vote for a Republican and we haven't developed a generation of progressives to provide a real primary challenge.
Fokowi, what you call lowering the discourse really raises it from the words and actions of the slime in charge.
I can't help but feel that it is a fatal blow of the dem leadership to have not supported the progressive blog world and figured out a way they could be used. The dems were in the lead but have blown it and have left it open for the republicans to take this over also.
NTodd, what do you have against Edwards?
I disagree with the notion that voting for a far left candidate will move the eventual nominee further to the left in the general election or as president.
In 2000 Liberals believe that Bush is to dumb to be president.
Result: Bush annihilates Dr. Ozone.
In 2008 Liberals believe Mike Huckabee is too invested in morals and faith to be president
Result: ___________
I'm curious: Atrios, what level of surveillance do you think is on you and Kos and Greenwald and Hamsher and....?
No shit Shirley!!! I always wondered which way that Berlin wall was falling when it fell. Well, now the hell, I KNOW!
Shite, this explains why/how they had that Patriot Act rip roaring ready to go.
In 2008 Liberals believe Mike Huckabee is too invested in morals and faith to be president
Result: ___________
pud | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 7:56 pm | #
let's just say you were right the first time when you always bitch that secularists don't believe in anything and that that is a bad thing...
so what do you mean when you say that now we believe that huckabee blah blah...
do we believe in something or not???
and which one is bad? believing in something or not believing in something?
it's not easy being me being around people like you...
The last thing the Fascist Bushites want to see happen is having their criminal behavior exposed in a court of law, before a patriotic federal judge with "contempt of court" power...which is why the Fascist Bushites and the cooperative telecoms are so desperate to get retroactive immunity for their criminal activities.
Now we learn that the Fascist Bushites began their criminal activity (illegal, non-court approved domestic surveillance programs) just weeks after Bush and Cheney entered the White House following their stealing of the 2000 elections (with the help of five Fascist Republicans on the Supreme Court).
I can only hope that enough Democrats, free-thinking Independents and any Republicans who may still have a soul will vote in November 2008 for candidates for Congress (or for the White House) who will start undoing retroactively in 2009 the criminal damage done to our democracy by the Fascist Bushites and their corporate enablers...while also retroactively bringing criminal charges against all the Fascist Republicans (and even some complicit Democrats) who've betrayed the public trust in mad pursuit of their Fascist nightmare they envision for our fair democracy. Begone, Traitors!!!! And take your traitorous trolls with you!!!!
What did Juno and when did Ju know it?
John Poindexter is at the center of this wiretapping .Remember him and his Total Information Awareness Program?
He has been keeping a low profile,but this J Edgar Hoover on steroids will not rest until he snoops on every American.
It isn't necessary to use the term "Fascist Bushites."
Their actions never look good in the light of day, and history will shine harshly on Bush/Cheney, the government the Founding Fathers warned us about.
"the stasi state is okay with me since I'm recording the comings and goings of people in the Post bathrooms"-Fred Hiatt
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