I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Wow a drive by frist
Saturday Frists are good things
dumb luck
Gerards receivers are laying it out for him and hanging on to the rock.
dumb luck fer shur
FUNK POP A ROLL HEATS UP MY SOUL!
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There's still time for me to do a load of laundry...
Decisions, decisions.
I think everyone's still rocking downstairs.
the chicks have good harmonies ...
TRAIN RUNNIN' LOW ON SOUL COAL! WHOO! WHOO!
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Please explain "owls". Thanks in advance.
Fuck. I was hoping Thers was gonna post the music link.
No explanation. Just happened.
Got deadthreaded so I'll repeat:
Blue Cross Blue Shield canceled our policy
But but but they accept everyone! Their commercials say so!
Actually, those get my mute button everytime - generally after a couple of well-chosen cuss words.
Sorry you're still not healing, Prior. Me and my bad (well, worse) knee sympathize.
The previous thread is the most dypeptic one I've ever wandered into. Hope this one's better.
Tread: Please explain "owls". Thanks in advance.
Here, it's shorthand for "Ah, Jeffraham! You have big, American penis!"
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Wow a drive by frist
Sounds painful...
The previous thread is the most dypeptic one I've ever wandered into. Hope this one's better.
bo
Sorry. I'm bringing everyone down.
Sorry. I'm bringing everyone down.
Hey - it's only castles burning!
"The owls are not what they seem"
Here, it's shorthand for "Ah, Jeffraham! You have big, American penis!"
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Isn't that a foregone conclusion?
"owls" are akin to "sheets" as reference to new thread posting; welcome greeting to new informative discussion.
Speaking as a Colts fan, I don't think I'd want to play either of these teams next week. This could be your Superbowl right here.
deadthreaded:
"The Nazis had four uniforms! Goebbels, Himmler and Hitler all had four
uniforms! Clearly this is just like the Clinton government!"
The son of Lucianne Moneymountain, far from being a Jew, reveals himself to be a Black Israelite.
(The Black Israelites are crazy brothers in star wars costunes who hang out at Times Square and preach about how they're the real Jews and all white people are Nazis.)
The previous thread is the most dypeptic one I've ever wandered into.
Some sodium bicarbonate should fix that.
I remember when Junior Seau retired.
Good times.
dyspeptic. damn finners.
"The owls are not what they seem"
I got that. Been watching Twin Peaks
Owls are derived from the Harry Potter books: they were the means that mail was delivered to the wizards.
Hence, sheets.
Sounds painful...
Certified Mutant Enemy | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 10:32 pm | #
Kind of a mixture of pain and pleasure.....
hug to Sinfonian...
I remember when Junior Seau retired.
Good times.
Sinfonian, dog sitting |
I recall when Junior Samples did the same.
jag-u-wires receivers can't catch.
hug to Sinfonian...
racymind
would that it were actual ...
... but virtual helps. Thanks. You know how I feel and all that shit.
"Owls" was Hecate's invention, a Harry Potter refernce because in the books
mail is delivered to the school by owls.
Not calling sheets again.
Kind of a mixture of pain and pleasure.....
Only if you're doing it right.
Okay, what goes ninety-nine clonk, ninety-nine clonk, ninety-nine clonk?
Gah, cokowing.
Okay, what goes ninety-nine clonk, ninety-nine clonk, ninety-nine clonk?
bo
Centipede with a peg leg.
Sin - girlfriend cleanse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X...h?
v=XvBFBGb4p5M
Owls are derived from the Harry Potter books: they were the means that mail was delivered to the wizards.
Hence, sheets.
DWD - 60 Minute Man
Awesome. Muchos gracias.
repost
Thers --
We have a new health insurance provider -- supposed to be better (even Consumer Reports is after Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan) but we shall see -- I just hate feeling useless! (I realize that many people assume that monks ARE useless, but that is not how it feels from here).
I've done rehab before (right rotator cuff) -- impressive recovery -- but it is never really quite 100% (at least when you are past 50 ...)
Prior Aelred | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 10:32 pm | #
Editoress --
search for "Prior Aelred"
Prior Aelred | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 10:34 pm | #
Ipost from Bar. Go, Patsies!
I maintain that it comes from a line from the SF Improv troupe, "The Committee". "When the owl screams, the hunter pisses on his foot", was supposed to be a spy's countersign in a skit.
Sin - girlfriend cleanse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X...h? v=XvBFBGb4p5M
Gilly Gonzylon
That thing is 40 minutes long ...
Jonah Goldberg on Cspan2 says it turns out they wanted to be socialists but they also wanted to be nationalists. he says in America we've inherited these marxists categories that associate socialism and internationalism.
Ear-canal licking to Sinfonian.
$363M is average pay for top hedge fund managers
Posted 5/26/2006 12:21 AM ET E-mail | Save | Print | Reprints & Permissions |
By Adam Shell, USA TODAY
NEW YORK — James Simons, a mathematician turned money manager who prefers hiring Ph.D.s over MBAs, inched out oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens Jr. as the world's best-paid hedge fund manager in 2005, collecting an estimated $1.5 billion, according to rankings released today by Institutional Investor's Alpha magazine.
In rising to the top of what amounts to a who's who list of the secretive hedge fund world, Simons, of Renaissance Technologies, unseated 2004's top earner and first-ever billion-dollar man, Edward Lampert of ESL Investments, who is best known for buying Kmart and masterminding the blockbuster deal to buy Sears. Lampert's earnings dipped to an estimated $425 million last year, down from $1.0 billion in 2004.
"These are staggering numbers," said Alpha editor Michael Peltz in announcing its fifth-annual list of Top 25 earners. "It took $130 million to make the list."
http://www.usatoday.com/money/pe...unds-
usat_x.htm
Goldberg says surveys from the time indicate Germans loved their socialism. He says there's reams of social science that backs this up. He says in the Germany of that time redshirts constantly switched to being brownshirts.
Had the son of Lucianne Moneymountain actually attended school, he might understand that you can use Marxist terms (in fact to understand economics you must) without being a Marxist.
when did the bat counter disappear?
Ewwww.
You smell like whiskey.
We have a new health insurance provider -- supposed to be better (even Consumer Reports is after Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan)
Just as well, since I'm a lousy baker.
Ear-canal licking to Sinfonian.
Thers
i go away for 2 min. to light a fire and come back to ... please say this is the punchline to that duck joke?
Brady gets 5 minutes to throw every time.
You smell like whiskey.
Your earwax tastes like earwax.
That thing is 40 minutes long ...
Sinfonian, dog sitting | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 10:40 pm | # [kill]
Watch it during your "me time"
Does anyone here have Lexington KY band Ten Foot Pole's CD?
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Thers --
But it is a NY company -- "Empire" Blie Cross Blue Shield -- so there's that ...
Goldberg says Richard Pipes has long argued Bolveshism and Fascism are both species of leftism.
Your earwax tastes like earwax.
Thers
That's how I know you're gaiii.
Goldberg says Ida Tarbell had a full blown crush on Mussolini and returned from Italy to argue he was the cat's meow.
Doughboy couldn't find his ass with both hands, so what he says rarely impresses anyone who isn't stone stupid.
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This is why we are fucked. (In a nutshell)
These are the first two paragraphs from the New York Times lead editorial from Sunday's paper. Unfinished Debate on Iraq
Iraq will be a central challenge — perhaps the central challenge — for whoever succeeds President Bush and has to repair the profound damage he has wrought with a war that should never have been fought and has been managed so ineptly. The candidates must talk more to the American people about when troops will be withdrawn and how it will be done, as well as how they will manage relations with Iraq and the region.
Yet the war has receded as a major topic on the campaign trail, much to the relief of the Republican candidates, who never stray far from the party line but know that Americans overwhelmingly want the troops home.
The editorial goes on to explain the obvious except for one central issue: the role that the news media, particularly the NEW YORK TIMES has played in this fiasco. This week when nine soldiers were killed in Iraq - six in one incident - the paper did not even list this incident on their web page until at least 12 hours after it happened.
If a soldier dies in Iraq and no one reports it, did it really happen?
Yes, but opposition to the war has been shut down from the outset and continues to be discounted by the news media of this country led by the New York Times.
They are the worst people imaginable. And to criticize Americans for something they are responsible for is chutzpah to the enth degree.
Does anyone here have Lexington KY band Ten Foot Pole's CD?
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Jeffraham Prestonian
I wouldn't touch it with ... well, you know.
Goldberg says the historian Charles beard argued in the New Republic that Mussolini's Italy was a bold new experiment in social justice. He says Beard sounds like Ezra Klein writing about Barack Obama.
Dog owner is back.
I must depart.
Catch you patriotz tomorrowz. I may be in a great mood tomorrow. 
The son of Lucianne Moneymountain is an illustration of how useless it is to have someone speak about a period of history without understanding it. He would probably argue that Rome could hardly have conquered Greece because they loved Greek culture, handicrafts and technicians so much.
But it is a NY company -- "Empire" Blie Cross Blue Shield -- so there's that ...
Hee hee. It's therefore probably run by crack dealers. Well, forewarned is four armed.
Jonah Goldberg on Cspan2 says Herbert Croly's Promise of American Life is a blueprint for fascism.
Sinfonian: I wouldn't touch it with ... well, you know.
That's in the lyrics, yes.
They also had a cool ditty called "Eight-Chambered Heart."
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Jonah Goldberg says Eugene Adams argued the Soviet Union was the realization of the designs of John Dewey.
Jeffraham Prestonian on ESPN8 (The Ocho!) says I'd like to cram the Queen Mary up jack's ass, sideways.
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David Irving is a far better historian, besides having once actually been a historian, which is a real job that you don't just declare yourself to be, than the son of Lucianne Moneymountain will ever be with all his mother's money.
Jonah Goldberg says Robert Nisbett argues the first experiment in totalitarianism was conducted by Woodrow Wilson.
Prior, thanks. I was busy conducting a one-way conversation down below but got your message. Just sent you a note on Facebook but think I didn't do it right to add you to my list. I find Facebook a mite weird.
The jonah opened with "if i knew there'd be a podium, i wouldn've worn pants.
Now I get it Stand-up at Heritage!!
Who knew they had a sense.
of humor
Goldberg says right wingers are called know-nothings when they argue Roosevelt's New Deal was inspired by Stalin's Soviet Union.
What is the answer of the son of Lucianne Moneymountain to the International Brigades? What on earth do they prove in his bizarro world?
Goldberg says one New Deal organization used a swastika as an insignia.
Yes, we're down to two contestants, and a LOT of spectators.
Gonna watch TV for a while.
bbl
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Hee hee. It's therefore probably run by crack dealers. Well, forewarned is four armed.
Alas, I am only 4 legged.
Are we talking about Doughy Pantload's 'book'?
now that's a good call ...
Are we talking about Doughy Pantload's 'book'?
No.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080...wh/
bush_mideast
The president was cheered by news that Iraq's parliament had approved legislation reinstating thousands of former supporters of Saddam Hussein's dissolved Baath party to government jobs. Bush had prodded Iraqi leaders for more than a year to enact the law.
"It's an important step toward reconciliation," Bush said as he opened talks with Bahrain's King Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa. "It's an important sign that the leaders of that country understand that they must work together to meet the aspirations of the Iraqi people."
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Let us all be happy. They're in the process of resetting the clock back to 2002, before we spent a gazillion dollars and wasted countless lives.
whoa..did northcut get a catch?
The son of Lucianne Moneymountain says right wingers are called know-nothings when they argue Roosevelt's New Deal was inspired by Stalin's Soviet Union.
That's because they are know-nothings. If they had any education they would see a bit of a difference between Keynes and Lenin. The fact that they cannot is a disqualifying inability on their part, rather like a doctor who sees no difference between surgery and butchery.
Are we talking about Doughy Pantload's 'book'?
ellroon | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 10:53 pm | #
no, just fredo the asshole is liveblogging an idiot-fest.
no, just fredo the asshole is liveblogging an idiot-fest.
ronjazz
k, will go wash my hands...
New Deal inspired by the Soviet Union?
that's so cute, the only history he's interested in is the kind that backs up what he believes today... so stupid, though, mainly.
fredo is subbing for econ
And now Jags, your season will die.
*lets loose thinderbolts*
My "review" of Liberal Fascism will be done by Wednesday.
It will not be kind.
Let us all be happy. They're in the process of resetting the clock back to 2002, before we spent a gazillion dollars and wasted countless lives.
Richard
But that's the point, see? It was always just Saddam's evil mustache that dared to mock Bush. Georgie was gonna go over there and show Poppy how to take care of that big bully.
He didn't plan anything after that...
nona | 01.12.08 - 8:34 pm ~~~~
Thanx for the Jon Stewart link. Tweety needs an intervention--and MSNBC needs to rein him in or dump him.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/vi...gs/video/73522/
good night jag-u-wires.
My "review" of Liberal Fascism will be done by Wednesday.
It will not be kind.
Thers
Will wait with bated breath!
intercepted!
game over
turned out a little closer than I expected
Jags gave them a game for a while
Foolish Jags.
Its is only now, at the end, that you discover the power of the Dark Side.
Yuh huh huh.....
Tweety is Chris Matthews?
Timmeh is Tim Russert
KO is Keith Olbermann...
K&Y --
The only thing by David Irving I have ever read is "he Destruction of Dresden" -- I thought it was pretty good! (this might have been written prior to his "batshit insane" phase).
fredo is subbing for econ
ronjazz
different rat, same dorm wheel ...
What are you pibbles up to this evening?
They are the worst people imaginable. And to criticize Americans for something they are responsible for is chutzpah to the enth degree.
DWD - 60 Minute Man | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 10:46 pm | #
Here, for your further reading displeasure, I give you News Weak:
Sorry, Barack, You’ve lost Iraq.
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Tomorrow we'll see whether the Colts or the Bolts get to be the next sacrificial lamb.
*continues to throw thunderbolts at dead Jags corpse laughing maniacally*
Die!!!!!
What are you pibbles up to this evening?
flory
Working hard to add to Bush's legacy year....
My "review" of Liberal Fascism will be done by Wednesday.
It will not be kind.
You're actually reading it?
Don't you have better things to do? like trim your nose hair?
game over
turned out a little closer than I expected
Jags gave them a game for a while
Tralfaz
spread = beaten
What are you pibbles up to this evening?
I am making chicken soup.
The Patriots bore the hell out of me.
The ignorant son of Lucianne Moneymountain says one New Deal organization used a swastika as an insignia.
This is unforgivable. The Jews might allow themselves to go insane in public (as with the activist moron who wanted antique ironwork torn down because it had fretwork hidden somewhere on it and this was the same thing as the Holocaust to him) at the very existence of the single most important and widespread human symbol on Earth, but others know that this was hardly invented or owned by the brainless Nazis. In fact, far from being tied to secret Buddhist meanings, the swastika was undergoing a fashion of immerse popularity, and was literally everywhere, on greeting cards for a variety of holidays, used as the mark of publishing houses, on the symbol of the leftist Itralian electrical worker's union prior to Mussolini, on Rudyard Kipling's signature and on a promotional watch fob offered by Coca Cola. Mostly it was cool looking, lucky and without a copyright. Furthermore in America it had special meaning as a symbol of the First Nations, some of whom still use it. An army unit used it as their symbol and that hardly made them Hitlerites. The swastika is better known to humanity than the circle; if a society has any sort of marking, it will have some form of swastika or triskelion. To insist on this nonsense about the swastika only meaning Nazism is to admit that the peaker knows nothing and has no respect for his audience.
Bush may APPEAR to be fascist cause of 1,2,3.. but REALLY, if you look at the Hollywood ethos you will see..
talk fast and you TOO can make millions!!!
Instawanker's summary of the NYT story
THE NEW YORK TIMES SAYS RETURNING TROOPS ARE MURDERERS,
fredo |
01.12.08 - 10:50 pm | #[X]
ahhh....as the esteemed Chris sez, "Fredo, meet Killfile. Population: YOU! HAW-ha!"
I like Chris. Most eloquent.
game over
turned out a little closer than I expected
Jags gave them a game for a while
The Patriots have tended to live a little dangerously in the playoffs, even when they were winning those Superbowls.
What are you pibbles up to this evening?
Just finished a dinner of Tandori beef and veggies.
I thought the novel Liberal Fascism was easy to write. Just put in fascism before every punctuation mark and follow it with liberal...
Can't wait to see the winning coach interviewed. He has such a sparkling personality.
The Sadly, No!sians have a Jonah Mockathon that's been going on for the last 72 hours, at least.
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(this might have been written prior to his "batshit insane" phase).
Indeed, not only did Irving go from a sane into an insane phase, there is evidence that it was similar to what Reich went through (succumbing to ad hominems, taking everything personally, over-identifying with the material), and some indication that Irving might be straightening out.
Goldberg says it's a myth that corporations are fascistic. He says corporations are motivated purely by the second derivative.
how/why would you review a book that is based on the logic that:
some fascists were vegetarians. some liberals are vegetarians. therefor, liberals are fascists.
The Patriots have tended to live a little dangerously in the playoffs, even when they were winning those Superbowls.
Richard
sans tuck rule, they don't win the first of their three, IIRC
James Simons, a mathematician turned money manager who prefers hiring Ph.D.s over MBAs, inched out oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens Jr. as the world's best-paid hedge fund manager in 2005, collecting an estimated $1.5 billion, according to rankings released today by Institutional Investor's Alpha magazine.
That was from 2006. The list last year had Simons taking home $1.7 billion in 2006.
"Can't wait to see the winning coach interviewed. He has such a sparkling personality."
mumblemumblemumble.
Editoress --
Have replied to Facebook -- I think it will all work out -- sorry about your cyber solipcism below!
The Sadly, No!sians have a Jonah Mockathon that's been going on for the last 72 hours, at least.
~
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
OMG..! That's hilarious!
I have been watching this game while listening to music. I really could not care less who wins but I have noticed that several of the official's calls against New England are questionable.
If you are going to call the game close, call it both ways.
The son of Lucianne Moneymountain says it's a myth that corporations are fascistic. He says corporations are motivated purely by the second derivative.
Chomsky smashes and buries this with the skill of a real intellectual: large corporations are based on top-down hierarchic totalitarian advancement of the organization. Theyare. That's how they work. Period. There is no discussion to be had. This is a myth?! That's preposterous. It's like claiming there's no hierarchy in the military, that it's a popular misconception that the army is obsessed with obeying rules.
some fascists were vegetarians. some liberals are vegetarians. therefor, liberals are fascists.
jdw
Well... I've known some pretty fascist vegetarians...
Swastikas in various forms are ancient symbols. The Nazis very uncreatively co-opted the symbol.
Bill Belichick and Don Imus were separated at birth.
how/why would you review a book that is based on the logic that:
some fascists were vegetarians. some liberals are vegetarians. therefor, liberals are fascists.
jdw
in all fairness, I believe he attempts to qualify that analogy by conceding that folks who try to prevent cancer by promoting tobacco abstinence are not the moral equivalent of “Nazis” who tried to exterminate an entire race of people
Brady set a record in this game.
Highest completion percentage ever. He was 26 for 28, 92.9%.
Are you watching Goldberg on Cspan2? If more people saw him live they would understand it's not worth responding to him at all. The reaction to his book is its biggest selling point.
"Fascism for Dummies"
by:J.Goldberg (trying sooo hard to be just like his mentor Karl)
Swastikas in various forms are ancient symbols. The Nazis very uncreatively co-opted the symbol.
Tralfaz
I have some of my grandmother's books, the Kipling series printed at the turn of the last century which had the real (mirror image) swastika on them. Everyone immediately thinks I have Nazi books on my shelf...
Belichick is smiling, which means it is time to eat smashed cheese nips and await the apocalypse.
K&Y --
2 B fair to Kipling (who I consider underrated, but that's just me) -- he HATED the Nazis (ahead of W. B. Yeats on that one) & removed the swastikas that had been on the title pages of his books (a romantic Buddhist monk from "Kim" thing? -- who knows? -- BTW -- "Kim" seems to me 2 B a classic example of Edward Said's complaints of "Orientalism" & racist, etc., but parts of it are a really good read!)
Instawanker's summary of the NYT story
THE NEW YORK TIMES SAYS RETURNING TROOPS ARE MURDERERS,
Well, some of them are.
K&Y --
2 B fair to Kipling (who I consider underrated, but that's just me)
No, Prior,it is not just you. I love the way Kipling uses the language. One of the best writers ever in my opinion.
I nominate k&y to be the winners of the "10 minutes in a locked room with doughypantload contest"
I believe he attempts to qualify that analogy
Not busting your chops, but if he's not saying they're fascists, then what's the point?
Swastikas in various forms are ancient symbols. The Nazis very uncreatively co-opted the symbol.
Ancient nothing (they still signify religious importance sites in the East), they were suddenly fashionable through the 20s and 30s and you'd have to be blind to not see them. Everybody was usiung them as logos; the fact that the Nazis tried to take over the bandwagon so to speak illustrates nothing about the whole "black magic" nonsense and everything about the Nazi obsession with being fashionable. Compare the vegetarianism, the nudity, Hitler's preference of one Communist convert to ten Rightists, the engine-devouring alcohol-diluted gasoline, the animal-loving (Himmler reportedly was sincerely horrified by the cooking of lobsters), and so forth. it's all propaganda garbage intended to attract as wide a range of people as possible, and doubles as a myriad of alibis for the elusive Nazi ideology ("there's only one Nazi, Hitler, he's the only one who knows what it really is").
Is anyone counting all the anti-Hillary pieces on the op-ed page of the NYT just this week? I've run out of fingers and toes.
I nominate k&y to be the winners of the "10 minutes in a locked room with doughypantload contest"
As long as it's to the death
No doubt who would win...
(mirror image) swastika ...
ellroon
Those things are on temples all over Taiwan. Probably throughout East Asia.
The whole point of Jonah's book is "I know you are, but what am I".
It's garbage. This lolkitler sums it up perfectly.
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DWD --
Thanks -- I wanted to do a serious study of Kipling in my High School honors class, but Miss Rowlands insisted that I do Yeats instead -- mind you, I didn't really appreciate Kipling yet, but I sure didn't get Yeats! So I read & wrote about Yeats, but lacked the political & social & cultural understanding to appreciate him -- Kipling can be enjoyed on many different levels (IMHO) OTOH, I am not a great fan of his favorite general "Bobs" (i.e., Field Marshall Roberts) -- although I do admire his mustache!
I nominate k&y to be the winners of the "10 minutes in a locked room with doughypantload contest"
JeffCO
I'll second that.
I nominate k&y to be the winners of the "10 minutes in a locked room with doughypantload contest"
Do it in real life, fracking stim junkies: one of those parties was in the real-life Marines and one wasn't. In fact to be fair you can let the son of Lucianne Moneymountain tag team with the son of Norman Podhoretz (which means something like "The Under-Horetz") and we'll murder them both with our bare hands.
Well, some of them are.
Does he say how he would characterize returning military members who murder someone?
[wriggling hands like Wanderlei da Silva]
[wrigglewrigglewriggle]
Not busting your chops, but if he's not saying they're fascists, then what's the point?
HG Bergeron,
good call ... how could I ever have missed that?
Breaking News out of NH.
Hillary Clinton adviser Sidney Blumenthal was arrested for DWI on election night in Nashua NH.
-G
I guess it reflects the Bush administration's attempt to create their own reality. Torture is not torture, you just change the words! Terrorism is anybody who doesn't think like you. Liberals are bad bad bad fascism-loving fascists....
Hillary Clinton adviser Sidney Blumenthal was arrested for DWI on election night in Nashua NH.
One more to go and he ties Bush! Two more and he ties Bush & Cheney!
Does he say how he would characterize returning military members who murder someone?
I didn't read it, so I don't know.
Is anyone counting all the anti-Hillary pieces on the op-ed page of the NYT just this week? I've run out of fingers and toes.
But I've been assured by a wingnut coworker that they are salivating at the idea of running against Hillary. How could that be true when the news outlets they own and control have been beating her like a rented mule?
One more to go and he ties Bush! Two more and he ties Bush & Cheney!
Supreme Commander Thor
no. NOBODY can tie Bush and Cheney... you have to try to duke it out with an ex-president or shoot a lawyer in the face...
One more to go and he ties Bush! Two more and he ties Bush & Cheney!
IOKIYAR
I can assure you that no one has ever made a frozen bratwurst joke about Clinton’s penis with such detail or such care.
Is it possible that Michael Bérubé overlooked this particular slight?
Hillary Clinton adviser Sidney Blumenthal was arrested for DWI on election night in Nashua NH.
He should work for the Bush administration. Most of them are probably chronic alcoholics by now, just like their boss. So much stress working for the boy king.
Brace yourselves, taxpayers of America. You're going to help Bank of America finance its $4 billion buyout of Countrywide.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/11/...dex.htm?
cnn=yes
One more to go and he ties Bush! Two more and he ties Bush & Cheney!
Supreme Commander Thor
no. NOBODY can tie Bush and Cheney
Until we actually know what's in Bush's suppressed court records, he's the winner and still champeen. What's in those records? Possession? Possession and distribution? Contributing to delinquency? Genocide?
Hillary Clinton adviser Sidney Blumenthal was arrested for DWI on election night in Nashua NH.
Bernie Kerik issues a statement of "No Comment"
Diggin some ABBA music now.
Hey, these here Kings of Leon are okay!
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If Blumenthal was drunk driving, he should be sentenced to the maximum punishment.
That Blumenthal incident happened last Monday morning. The fact that it is making headlines five days later says more about the press trying to bash the HRC campaign than it does about Blumenthal.
After the pop of ABBA, on to the complexity of The Mars Volta.
What's in those records? Possession? Possession and distribution? Contributing to delinquency? Genocide?
Dealing drugs on base while in the Texas National Guard.
Of course, I'm not sure what his status as a Clinton advisor has to do with it.
Well, I am sorry about the Blumenthal news -- I like his writing & we are pretty much of an age & (although a Chicagoan) spent summers near my hometown in Ohio -- I kind of identified with his ways of looking at things (liked his book) but I'm for Edwards & if I were rich I would have someone else drive if I were drunk (just sayin')
There are two things economically wrong with this special tax provision for hedge fund managers. First is its impact on economic efficiency. It creates inconsistent economic incentives (i.e., distortions) for some labor income to be treated as ordinary income while other labor income is treated as capital gains, and the work done by investment advisors is undeniably a professional, laboring activity.1 Fund managers at pension funds, trusts, and endowments who provide similar professional services are paid a salary and possibly a bonus, and these are all treated as ordinary income. Only because hedge funds and private equity firms are organized as limited liability partnerships — which are already treated favorably for tax and liability purposes—are these same professional services taxed differently. The result is a distortion in the compensation and after-tax income between these super rich hedge fund managers and millions of others in the workforce.
The second thing wrong with this exemption is that these super rich fund managers do not need and certainly do not deserve special tax breaks. Alpha Magazine reports the compensation for hedge fund managers each year. The top earner for 2006 received $1.7 billion, the second highest received $1.4 billion, and the third $1.3 billion. That adds to $4.4 billion for three people. The top 25 hedge managers received, on average, $570 million for a total of $14.25 billion.
EPI: Tax breaks for billionaires
Possession and distribution?
I don't really see Bush as willing to share his drugs, even for sale.
I didn't know Roky Erickson was still alive!
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That Blumenthal incident happened last Monday morning.
Well, they just probably wanted to make supersure of their facts, seeing as how last time they got totally hosed by listening to Mr Future of Journalism and Mark Helperin's BFF.
Well, the news did break on NH's WMUR..incubator of the smarmiest Fox political mook Carl Cameron.
At least Blumenthal didn't offer to blow the cop like ever other GOP-er that gets pinched lately.
-GSD
Kipling “What need of the Four, then?” said Bagheera, shifting from foot to foot, his eyes ablaze, and purring louder than ever. “I can hold them, Little Brother. Is it killing at last? The singing and sight of the men climbing up the trees have made me very ready. Who is Man that we should care for him — the naked brown digger, the hairless and toothless, the eater of earth? I have followed him all day — at noon — in the white sunlight. I herded him as wolves herd buck. I am Bagheera! Bagheera! Bagheera! As I danced with my shadow, so I danced with those men. Look!” The great panther leaped as a kitten leaps at a dead leaf whirling overhead, struck right and left into empty air, that sang under the strokes, landed noiselessly, and leaped again and again, while the half purr, half growl gathered head as steam rumbles in a boiler. “I am Bagheera — in the jungle — in the night, and my strength is in me. Who shall stay my stroke?”
And yes, I wish I could write like that.
That Blumenthal incident happened last Monday morning.
But didn't the article say it happened on election night (Tuesday)?
Of course, if it's guilt by association the authoritarians are after, I eagerly await their explication of the fact that Bush's pappy was meeting with OBL's brother on IX/XI.
If Blumenthal was drunk driving, he should be sentenced to the maximum punishment.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant ,/i.
I too, shall wait for the conviction ...
I finally got the film Hitler: A Film from Germany, well the first disc anyway (renting it from Netflix). A nice little West German film (shows you how old it is) that was one of those "unseen, legendary" films until it got released on DVD.
7 1/2 hours. Oh, joy...
7 1/2 hours. Oh, joy...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 01.12.08 - 11:37 pm | #
Beats the shit out of ABBA.
Nashua police say Sidney Blumenthal was arrested early Monday morning after an officer pulled over a car traveling 70 mph in a 30 mph zone. Blumenthal, 59, is a journalist and former White House adviser to President Bill Clinton who is now serving as an unpaid adviser on Hillary Clinton's campaign.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
(unless it's an error)
Ronjazz, I'm with you on the ABBA.
Maybe if we never play it for our granddaughter, she won't know it exists
A centipede with a wodden leg.
there's no such thing as a swedish supergroup
Beats the shit out of ABBA.
ronjazz | 01.12.08 - 11:38 pm | #
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 01.12.08 - 11:40 pm | #
Hiss, boo...
Can't help it. Like Swedish pop music...
I've never heard of this phenomena before:
http://www.lakeneosho.org/Temp23.html
Ice Spears?
ABBA is often bashed unfairly. They had a few bad songs but also some of the best pop songs of their time (a few suffered from radio overplay). Also, their vocal harmonies were revolutionary for pop music.
Can't help it. Like Swedish pop music...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Me too... sorry...
Can't help it. Like Swedish pop music...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 01.12.08 - 11:42 pm | #
only kidding. all pop groups should aspire to international corporate status.
"EPI"
Not many people are aware that Dr. Reich has come out against taxing corporations.
Ronjazz, you may have been kidding, but I wasn't
Whoa - just saw a teaser for a local news station with Jon Stewart's smackdown on Tweety in the background!
Abba.
Doan like.
Ice Spears
Britney's terrible baby brother.
Just a word of warning.
HDTV is a very nice thing, but not when the programming contains Jake Gyllenhall in drag.
4Legs, of kors u no like. Sentaurs haz klas.
Damn it. He posts Neko. Sort of interested, I wander over to Itunes to check her out. Been what thirty minutes or better since he posted right? I have been wandering all over hell in Itunes.
Didn't pick up Neko. But I still walked away 14 bucks lighter. Thanks Duncan.
ABBA?
I always wondered who it was that was listening to that stuff. . .
Well, I figured somebody had to listen to things like 1910 Fruitgum Company and the Archies and Barry Manilow and Tommy Roe and the Romans and Andy Kim and Michael Bolton and the rest.
It is fine. Music is an honest expression of living. All music.
ABBA, A-ha, Ace of Bass, the Similou
all good (and only cliched because they produced original, recognizable pop, especially ABBA and A-ha)
Also, their vocal harmonies were revolutionary for pop music.
Tralfaz | 01.12.08 - 11:42 pm | #
well, not that they're worth fighting over, and not that they care, but their harmonies, while very well-executed, don't strike me as any more revolutionary than the Hollies, or Revolver-era Beatles. Or even Enya.
Ice Spears
Britney's terrible baby brother.
bo
Shakes Spears: Britney's very educated older brother.
Decided to pop in Phil Ochs.
The box set Farewells and Fantasies.
CD's sound so much better than crappy, tinny mp3's.
wtf is this crazy charlie sheen thing on sc=fi?
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
(again)
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1910 Fruitgum Company and the Archies and Barry Manilow
I love Barry, and I always loved Sugar, Sugar.
I've heard of the 1910 Fruitgum Company, but have never gotten an album of theirs.
"CD's sound so much better than crappy, tinny mp3's."
The Grooves in CDs make them so much warmer sounding.
Can't help it. Like Swedish pop music... Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Check out Ida Marie and Jens Lekman.
"wtf is this crazy charlie sheen thing on sc=fi?"
Something very strange. It is actually a SciFi movie.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin,
Janene, You know I love you dearly but we could never share music collections.
The Grooves in CDs make them so much warmer sounding.
EkCenTriK
they wear out the stylus something aweful though
I've always liked Ochs's song The Bells. Music by Phil, with lyrics by Edgar Allen Poe.
Sallyh!
OK -- my ankle is broken -- I'm terrible about keeping it up & iced -- am supposed to get a fiberglass cast Thursday (assuming that the swelling is down) -- HOW R U?
Jeffraham, my sweet, how're you feeling?
I hope all is well at the CurlyLE Condo.
"they wear out the stylus something aweful though"
Lasers are hell on audio gear.
DWD - 60 Minute Man | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 11:48 pm | #
I'm sure there's something we could agree on.
"CD's sound so much better than crappy, tinny mp3's."
The Grooves in CDs make them so much warmer sounding.
But make sure you completely take the shrink wrap off, otherwise they'll warp.
Prior, considering that now I walk everywhere and only have pain now and then, I'd say damn decent.
Okay, give me my "I Told You So" moment.
Sallyh: Jeffraham, my sweet, how're you feeling?
I hope all is well at the CurlyLE Condo.
Not bad! I might take a midnight scoot to Walgreen's, for a travl-sized bottle of baby shampoo. Apparently, that's good for sties.
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wtf is this crazy charlie sheen thing on sc=fi?
Iz actually not bad.
I wonder if mah soup iz dun cooking?
I've heard of the 1910 Fruitgum Company, but have never gotten an album of theirs. Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
I'm sure I could hook you up.
CD's sound so much better than crappy, tinny mp3's.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
And the MP3s should be indistinguishable from the wav files if they were ripped properly at a decent bit rate. I cannot tell the difference of anything over 192BPS and I have a pretty discriminating ear and a decent system. I understand that mp3s can be ripped all the way up to 350BPS? (or something like that) I cannot imagine that anyone - except a professional - could distinguish the difference at that rate.
I can tell the difference of the low bit rate mp3s though.
I like Abba. I had to google 1910 Fruitgum Company - I remembered the group, but couldn't recall any of their songs. I like the ones I recogized well enough.
But then, I like a lot of stuff I've seen trashed here. I have no pretensions to cul-chah.
But make sure you completely take the shrink wrap off, otherwise they'll warp.
And never stack them!
4Legs, if supe no dun kookin, I givz u some leftovr bruschetta chikkun.
Kittehs luv poeltree.
Shakes Spears: Britney's very educated older brother. - ellroon
And severely alcholic, it would appear from the name.
Okay, give me my "I Told You So" moment.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 01.12.08 - 11:49 pm | #
I, too, took a nasty spill on the ide some 3 weeks ago. Sprained ankle (2nd degree), so it's walkable now, still stiff. Fortunately broke the fall with my head, so no other damage.
Ann Wilson still kicks ass. Jes say'in.
Cool, the Sheen SciFi movie has a disco ball rotating in an attic causing some sort of time/dimensional disturbance.
Ronjazz, for me, my head is my least vulnerable spot.
well, not that they're worth fighting over, and not that they care, but their harmonies, while very well-executed, don't strike me as any more revolutionary than the Hollies, or Revolver-era Beatles. Or even Enya.
ronjazz
Agreed. I should have qualified my statement with in their time. They emerged in a decade between the artists you mention, And the layered Eastern European harmonics in their studio tracks seemed pretty novel (to me) at the time. I was pretty young in the 70s, though, I have to say.
am supposed to get a fiberglass cast Thursday (assuming that the swelling is down) -- HOW R U?
Prior Aelred
You can keep excessive moisture from building up and making the cast itchy by pressing a vacuum cleaner against the outside and sucking air through it. It's not as blasto as using a hair dryer.
I'm home.
Gotta love teh Neko.
Doug, what movie is this?
EPI has also come out in favor of eliminating the income cap on FICA.
I've grown quite fond of this one from Ida Maria: I Like You So Much Better When You're Naked.
Sister of Ye,
One really great hockey game. Too bad we lost but it was a good game. I could not believe they called a penalty with 3 minutes to play. That sucked. But it was still a good game. I would like to see these two in a Stanley Cup Final: that would be great hockey.
My dog said to me today, "What the fuck is wrong with you humans?"
Sallyh -- You & Hecate were right!
Happy now?
Wimmen!
Re: Abba -- my dad (Bill O'Reilly fan) really liked Abba -- "I can't understand a thing they're saying, but I like the sound!"
Me -- not so much (I've been listening to old Cat Stevens -- I really loved Catch Bull at Four & Foreigner -- college nostalgia, I suppose, but still ...)
Wow, that was one of the most egregious and tortured overdubbing ever for the relatively trivial “that’s right, this man has no dick” scene in Ghostbusters:
Ackroid: everything was fine until 'waxy but wickless' here ...
Mayor guy: Is that right?
Murray: that’s right, he is some kind of rodent ... wtf?
I have no musical credibility because I like (most) Journey and hate (most) opera.
Shakes Spears: Britney's very educated older brother. - ellroon
And severely alcholic, it would appear from the name.
bo
Yeah, but their grandmother Asparagus really is the one who is tottery..
I was pretty young in the 70s, though, I have to say.
Tralfaz | 01.12.08 - 11:53 pm | #
Well, I can't argue with their mastery of the studiocraft. Brilliant production, fine singing, lame music is the way I see it. But that's pop music anyway, all too often, or it wouldn't be popular.
Ronjazz,
Hope you feel completely well soonest.
Prior,
Am I allowed to accept you as a friend on facebokah?
Prior Aelred, would've been happier to be wrong in this case.
As for keeping it iced and elevated...I was not good about that. Somehow it healed anyway.
"My dog said to me today, "What the fuck is wrong with you humans?""
I think your dog is being just a tad judgmental.
"Iz actually not bad.""
weez enjoying too, but never got the name.
"Cool, the Sheen SciFi movie has a disco ball rotating in an attic "
sort of a combo disco ball and that thing from the movie with the guy who had pins in his head...
So I come by here to talk to you folx and teh phone won't stop ringing.
"I really loved Catch Bull at Four & Foreigner "
Not "Tea for the Tillerman"
My dog said to me today, "What the fuck is wrong with you humans?"
And then it peed on the carpet...
I think your dog is being just a tad judgmental.
Wasn't there a Twilight Zone episode where humans were given the choice of eliminating all war and human suffering, but we had to be willing to sniff each other's butts on meeting in exchange?
Janene,
Well, if it is any sign of anything, I have Joni Mitchell's THE FIDDLE AND THE DRUM playing at this moment with the Kings and Malvina Reynolds and Phil Ochs to come (so, yes, I live in the past)
EkCenTrik, you think the dog is judgmental?
I am greeted each morning with, "Shake the feeder! Clean the catbox! I didn't like that wet food you served last night! I wanna play fetch!" You would think the felines that own me were the most ill treated beasties on the planet.
And then it peed on the carpet...
atablarasa
no, that was the chinaman
KODIAK, Alaska - At least 19 bald eagles died Friday after gorging themselves on a truck full of fish waste outside a processing plant.
The birds became too soiled to fly or clean themselves, and with temperatures in the mid-teens, began to succumb to the cold. Some birds became so weak they sank into the fish slime and were crushed.
The truck's contents had to be dumped onto the floor of the Ocean Beauty Seafoods plant so the birds could be retrieved. Some tried to scatter, but since they couldn't fly, wildlife officers soon retrieved them. The eagles were then cleaned with dish soap in tubs of warm water to remove the oily slime and warm them.
Hope you feel completely well soonest.
DWD - 60 Minute Man | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 11:55 pm | #
DWD, I return that sentiment to you a thousandfold.
atablarasa | 01.12.08 - 11:57 pm | #
At least your dog didn't do this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P...h?
v=PTdLwZVudOk
I wonder if mah soup iz dun cooking?
fourlegsgood, kitteh slave
Gonna share?
Iz u feeling better?
I think your dog is being just a tad judgmental. - EkCenTriK
Well, I concur with the dog, particularly after listening to my State Assemblyman, Ira Ruskin, talking about doin's in Sacramento. Damn Republicans.
DWD - two losses in a row. Aaargh! Still, hardly gloom and doom.
I'd love to see the Wings in a Cup final. I realize sports is just a distraction, but life's been crappy enough lately that I'd love a fun distraction like that. Besides, I work in the RenCen, so if there's a Cup win and a parade I can watch it from one of the attorney offices as long as it ends in Hart Plaza.
Uh-oh. It is starting again. I told you guys it was going to happen. Freak out over foreigners buying up American companies. Even JM is freaking over the financial buy outs by foreigners. It is the 1980's all over again. Last time it was real estate. This time financial corporations.
Remember what happened last time: the foreigners got stuck with a bunch of over-priced properties.
Yeesh, I couldn't even stomach reading the Coultergeist's online tribute to her recently deceased father. Sounds like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
That slag is subhuman, and I'm not big on humans to begin with.
DWD - 60 Minute Man | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 11:58 pm | #
Phil Ochs and Joni Mitchell, I can dig that....
Me -- not so much (I've been listening to old Cat Stevens -- I really loved Catch Bull at Four & Foreigner -- college nostalgia, I suppose, but still ...)
My old college girlfriend still remembers our making out to Teaser and the Firecat on endless replay on the old close 'n play turntable.
" You would think the felines that own me were the most ill treated beasties on the planet."
Yes, we all practice animal cruelty. It is right up there with Football and Soccer. Not serving kitty treats on the hour, every hour is a step worse than water boarding.
Per my cats.
The Sheen movie?
'The Arrival'
Scientists track a radio signal to a Mexican village, and find aliens and conspiracy.
/from the sat channel description
On the SciFi channel.
KODIAK, Alaska, etc
Republican eagles, every last one of 'em.
Remember what happened last time: the foreigners got stuck with a bunch of over-priced properties.
Troutski | 01.12.08 - 11:59 pm | #
this time it's all accounts receivables. Good luck to them.
That slag is subhuman, and I'm not big on humans to begin with.
SteveNS
do they have humans up where you live?
Upsidasium -- (How's the min -- is Rocky still an official nose cone?) -- that is useful information -- I can stand pain better than itching (or is this true for everyone?)
BTW --- one doctor told me I could keep walking around & do nothing & that my ankle would eventually heal, but it would take months -- SO, i am hoping that trying to be good will expedite the healing!
Sallyh -- You gonna make it to EschaCon08?
Sid refused a breathalizer and it was on Monday night.
He was charged with aggravated DWI because he was reportedly going 70 in a 30.
Jeesh, call a staffer dude.
-GSD
Prior, I most assuredly am going to EschaCon!
thanks!!
o nooos. scorpians on the ceiling fan????
I'd love to see the Wings in a Cup final.
And while I'd love to see the Wild in the finals (even though I don't like hockey, but I'd like to see a Minnesotan team get to a playoff, for once in my life), umm....
I forgot my point.
do they have humans up where you live?
::matthew
'Fraid so.
There's an economic case for the stratospheric level of CEO pay which suggests shareholders -- even if they had full say -- would not reduce it. In fact, they're likely to let CEO pay continue to soar. That's because of a fundamental shift in the structure of the economy over the last four decades, from oligopolistic capitalism to super- competitive capitalism. CEO pay has risen astronomically over the interval, but so have investor returns.
http://www.robertreich.org/reich...ch/
20070914.asp
Remember what happened last time: the foreigners got stuck with a bunch of over-priced properties.
Troutski
Yep.
Foreign financial geniuses iz no smarter than wall street financial geniuses.
And we've seen how smart those pibbles iz.....
Yeesh, I couldn't even stomach reading the Coultergeist's online tribute to her recently deceased father. Sounds like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
That slag is subhuman, and I'm not big on humans to begin with. - SteveNS
Neither falleth the horse apple far from the horse's ass.
CEO pay has risen astronomically over the interval, but so have investor returns.
And the workers and consumers get fucked over. what a country.
sallyh is gonna be at EschaCon?
Bleepin' eh!!
Prior, I had NO opportunity to take it easy, and it didn't take months. It probably would have healed in 6 weeks as opposed to 10, but this was right after Maddy and Mlle moved in and I had classes to teach.
Always drive 53 in a 35, then claim dyslexia if you get busted!
Prior, Teaser and the Firecat was one of the very first albums I bought. Of course, that was a few years after it came out, because during college I was spending my money on paying tuition.
I was weird in college - instead of going to rock concerts my friends and I went to the opera and symphony. What can I say? That's what we enjoyed doing.
this chix is too old for charlie. or was.
this chix is too old for charlie. or was.
jdw | 01.13.08 - 12:04 am | #
He was saying "it's only a movie".
Always drive 53 in a 35, then claim dyslexia if you get busted!
Gilly Gonzylon
A 35 mph zone is just weird.
Zap, I have to. I already promised you a drink.
do they have humans up where you live?
Someone asked me what species I was on one of the threads yesterday after I declared that the cephalopods would inherit the earth.
A 35 mph zone is just weird.
MP | 01.13.08 - 12:05 am |
Not as weird as a 25
Mrs DWD and I were in the paper the other day walking the two dogs, Al and Nikki. This is the picture. (Mercifully, you cannot see much detail)
http://img.photobucket.com/album...01/bobvon-
2.jpg
Not as weird as a 25
Gilly Gonzylon | 01.13.08 - 12:06 am | #
cops I know call a 25 a "fundraiser".
hello
Not as weird as a 25
Gilly Gonzylon
They built this enormous high school right next to a busy highway. We have to crawl on the way to work for a long way, and the traffic back up for a long way.
Hideous planning.
I already promised you a drink.
A mighty fine way to getcha 'cross the country, I guess.
I'm pretty jazzed...and I may overlook the drink.
"Foreign financial geniuses iz no smarter than wall street financial geniuses.
And we've seen how smart those pibbles iz....."
Clearly, they all lack intelligence.
cops I know call a 25 a "fundraiser". - ronjazz
He works in Laz Altas.
Must I be forced to suggest that despite her being a rather reprehensible example of a human, I have to defend even Coulter's humanity against the use of the timeworn term subhuman ?
OK -- Tea for the Tillerman was my first Cat Stevens, but I thought both that & Teaser and Firecat had some poppy sings that got too much airtime (but I never made out to them, so there's that) -- I just thought that both musically & lyrically Catch Bull at Four and Foreigner were more sophisticated (& I never made out to those either & it's none of your damned business what I did make out to before most of Obama's supporters were even born!)
The only woman Tweety's been really nice to is Coulter.
That an economic case can be made for astronomical CEO salaries only demonstrates the limitations of economic argument.
First, investor return only improves the lot of investors. Not everyone has a 401K; not everyone who has a 401K still has one after a cash-stripping M&A rape of his company. Secondly, investors are not the only class of people in an economy, much less a society: there are also consumers, workers who earn wages, retirees, children and so on. To make even an economic case requires that the economic interests of all these groups be taken into account. To make a political, social or ethical case, of course, is entirely another matter. That a single human being can earn over a billion dollars in a year of successful hedge fund management is an utter moral outrage, and tears at the fabric of society in countless ways.
The Jaguars gave the Patriots a good run tonight.
Must I be forced to suggest that despite her being a rather reprehensible example of a human, I have to defend even Coulter's humanity against the use of the timeworn term subhuman ?
JeffCO
Looks like "yes".
I don't know if I can make it out to EschII this spring. The company I work for will be ramping up a new 100 some million dollar contract then, and I'm pretty sure I'll be way too busy to take any days off.
t's none of your damned business what I did make out to before most of Obama's supporters were even born!) Prior Aelred
I see you as a Johnny Mathis kind of guy.
"some poppy sings that got too much airtime"
I admit I still can't stand to listen to "Peace Train" due to overplay.
The Jaguars gave the Patriots a good run tonight.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
First half, anyway. I'm not sure the Colts are such a lock on whipping the Chargers. They only won one more game in the regular season.
Uh-oh. It is starting again. I told you guys it was going to happen. Freak out over foreigners buying up American companies.
I'm much happier having the Saudis and Chinese bailout the likes of Citigroup than our tax dollars.
While the stupid boardroom shits ran their company into the ground and are to blame for the debacle, I think the economy is better off if Citigroup stays afloat. Hopefully they won't have lay off more workers to pay for more golden parachutes. If the folks that make Lou Dobbs nervous can help prevent that, it's a win-win situation.
ProfWombat, would my favorite marsupial care for some acoustic jazz guitar and some Calvados?
"The Jaguars gave the Patriots a good run tonight."
Isn't that jag-wires?
I bed go!
♥
My Packers won...
"The only woman Tweety's been really nice to is Coulter."
Well she doesn't pose a threat in the locker room.
sallyh: splendid suggestion. Who's playing?
ProfWombat, would my favorite marsupial care for some acoustic jazz guitar and some Calvados?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 01.13.08 - 12:13 am | #
what ahve you in acoustic jazz guitar stylings. Sallyh? Just curious.
& it's none of your damned business what I did make out to before most of Obama's supporters were even born!)
Prior Aelred
Tease.
"That a single human being can earn over a billion dollars in a year of successful hedge fund management is an utter moral outrage"
Your other points about widening the scope of analysis are valid, yet this one I don't see as justified. Why is a single individual's given compensation a "moral outrage"? At what point does it become a moral outrage? And why?
Bill Gates is worth $50 billion or so. Is this wrong? If so, how?
Looks like "yes".
Crap. Then let me just point out that someone has to serve as an example to the depths to which humans may sink when unencumbered by any personal morality or ethics.
Zap -- friend away! (Facebookwise)
My first cassette tapes were Tea for the Tillerman & Elton John's live performance that was known by the date (which now escapes me)
Sallyh -- I look forward to seeing you again (even I am still on crutches -- which I hope is not the case) as I intend to be at the EschaCon! Since John has moved from the Left Coast to NJ, I can no longer C U on your home turf (although I plan to visit him after the EschaCon)
Stock Footage Awards, bitches!1!!
ronjazz, at the moment, I've got some Eric Skye on my iPod playing
I'm much happier having the Saudis and Chinese bailout the likes of Citigroup than our tax dollars.
I wouldn't be unhappy if some senior managment were forced to put some of their outrageous compensation up as part of the bailout.
Kings of Leon on Austin City Limits.
They ain't bad...
sallyh: that's nice stuff...
That's the Ja-goo-ars.
I watch the TV BBC new broadcast when I can, and have seen an ad promoting Quatar.
I've never seen it run on US TV, only ads for penis hardners, ionic bracelets, diet ads some car ads and what's ran by the local companies.
Ronjazz, but if you asked me for a favorite, it'd be Jim Hall. Very light, spare, lovely work.
The distance between the ideology of Pol Pot and Gloria Steinmen is not so great.
NOT Johnny Mathis (who is TEH GAY -- but no one is supposed to say anything -- if I told you it was Perry Como & Andy Williams would you still respect me?)
Then let me just point out that someone has to serve as an example to the depths to which humans may sink when unencumbered by any personal morality or ethics.
JeffCO
Cool, you succeeded!
I had my doubts.
OK, I rescind my use of the word "subhuman".
But some of the other words I want to use are highly inappropriate for polite company, or even here.
"I'm not sure the Colts are such a lock on whipping the Chargers. They only won one more game in the regular season."
they're not, if the chargers can run
Haloscan is hitting the wetbar again.
"some of the other words I want to use are highly inappropriate for polite company, or even here."
use away. cussin about coulter is always appropriate
ProfWombat, I have a lot of the standards such as Pat Metheny and Wes Montgomery as well. And some Chet Atkins, which belonged to my da. (vinyl)
When, in a world full of pressing need, one keeps egregiously more of its resources than one needs for even a lavish lifestyle without touching the principal, that's a moral outrage. Bill Gates doesn't need $40 billion. He's now using the bulk of his money to fund things well worth funding.
But some of the other words I want to use are highly inappropriate for polite company, or even here.
My point is only, are we disgusted by the Morlocks because they aren't human, or because they are?
"I'm not sure the Colts are such a lock on whipping the Chargers. They only won one more game in the regular season."
It was two. However, I think the Chargers are capable of winning.
Haloscan is hitting the wetbar again.
EkCenTriK
Its Satiddy. Even jeevan gets a night off.
Damn, those Pats were good tonight.
Brady's awesomer than Favre.
So tomorrow morning I get to help sing one of my very favorite motets in the whole world: "Tribus miraculis" by L. Marenzio (here's a link: http://wso.williams.edu/cpdl/she...t/mare-tri.pdf)
.
One of the three miracles the motet sings about is when Jesus turned water into wine at the wedding (what a guy) -- and the motet has the most joyful upward bubbly phrase on "vinum, vinum" -- see about measure 30, bouncing around to all 4 parts in the score. Why, it must have been champagne!
"I'm not sure the Colts are such a lock on whipping the Chargers. They only won one more game in the regular season."
they're not, if the chargers can run
The Colts have a tendency to come out really flat. The Chargers have a lot of talent. Anything can happen tomorrow...
Packers all the way.
When the score was 14-0 Seahawks, I didn't panic. I figured Favre would just march them down the field.
He didn't disappoint.
Now, if the Bears were down 14-0, the game is usually over....
sallyh: one of the best guitar records, if you haven't heard it, is 'Neck and Neck' by Mark Knopfler and Chet Atkins, playing together...
Elton John's live performance that was known by the date (which now escapes me)
11/17/70
the gap between the ideologies of pud pot and Jim Steinman, though, is very large...
ProfWombat, I own it! Monsieur got it pour moi.
He really is a Very Good Husband.
I wouldn't be unhappy if some senior managment were forced to put some of their outrageous compensation up as part of the bailout.
If there was a god, the fucks would end up in a debtor's prison.
Unfortunately, when the Lions are up 14-0, the game is usually over.
"When, in a world full of pressing need, one keeps egregiously more of its resources than one needs for even a lavish lifestyle without touching the principal, that's a moral outrage. Bill Gates doesn't need $40 billion. He's now using the bulk of his money to fund things well worth funding."
OK, so the issue for you isn't necessarily the amount of compensation or wealth, but rather what is done with that wealth. Am I interpreting that correctly?
Sallyh, Jim Hall is one of my biggest influences, and a dear, old friend. A great master. You have very fine taste in things musical.
My point is only, are we disgusted by the Morlocks because they aren't human, or because they are?
I'd say that for me, the word is used not so much to register disgust per se, but to indicate that the thoughts and behaviour on display are so far removed from one's own as to be alien.
Great, now I think I pissed Haloscan. The truth hurt, but sometimes it is necessary.
sallyh: yes, I suppose he is.
My wife, in her last similar impulse, supplied me with the complete 'Rumpole of the Bailey', which is just wonderful.
The Shins (from last year) on SNL right now.
Good stuff.
ronjazz, listening to Hall's stuff makes me shiver. It's that pretty.
The Ramones and the Talking Heads wanted to be like the 1910 Fruitgum Company but didn't have the chops, so they invented punk and new wave instead
the bubblegum "groups" were best on the b-sides.
It was two. However, I think the Chargers are capable of winning.
Richard
Was it really? Oh well, two powerful teams. Colts at home, though.
Well that was bizarre - local news showing a CNN piece on 'political potshots' that was all over the map, including Howard Stern dissing Imus. On the plus side, it included a large chunk of Tweety bloviating about Lawrence of Arabia and Jon Stewart's reaction.
Why is a single individual's given compensation a "moral outrage"? At what point does it become a moral outrage? And why?
Bill Gates is worth $50 billion or so. Is this wrong? If so, how?
Econ 102
You see, this is the problem. (And why you and I cannot seem to communicate. You blame me. I have another opinion. This is it)
If you honestly have to ask that question: you have no morals whatsoever. Without some sort of moral basis to your life, you have nothing to judge the world upon. Without this device to weigh and measure the rightness or justness of the world, you are simply a pathetic fool wandering about looking for shiny objects and way to justify your picking them up (or stealing them) before someone else does.
In the end, all I feel for you is a deep pity for a man bereft of the knowledge of what is right and just is nothing more than a fucking animal left with nothing to distinguish him from the beasts.
Please leave.
My wife, in her last similar impulse, supplied me with the complete 'Rumpole of the Bailey', which is just wonderful
She who must be obeyed?
If there was a god, the fucks would end up in a debtor's prison.
Richard
That would be justice.
When the score was 14-0 Seahawks, I didn't panic. I figured Favre would just march them down the field.
That Ryan back of theirs was off da hook, after the fumbles.
sister of ye | 01.13.08 - 12:22 am | #
The Bears have that tendency as well. Up or down, they will lose no matter what...
the thoughts and behaviour on display are so far removed from one's own as to be alien. SteveNS
It's hard out there for an Eloi.
She who must be obeyed?
Mrs. Dr. Wombat is not a woman to be toyed with.
The Shins (from last year) on SNL right now.
Good stuff.
"Phantom Limb" is just a downright excellent song.
"Australia" is great too.
the ratio of worker pay to CEO compensation seems way out of whack to me, but it makes sense in the context of 'dog eat dog', which was the real legacy of Reagan... and, I suppose, the 'natural' state of affairs for a long time.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080112/
s...estigation.html
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) -- Authorities in New York and Connecticut are investigating whether Wall Street banks hid crucial information about high-risk loans bundled into securities that were sold to investors, Connecticut's Attorney General said Saturday.
The investigations, first reported Saturday by The New York Times, center around "no-doc" or "exception" loans, that did not even meet subprime standards, Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said.
"The loans were made to people who did not have any documents to verify their income or other verification for key requirements normally applied to mortgage borrowers," he said. "Many of the lenders made large amounts of loans, so that the exception swallowed the rule, or became the rule."
The loans were sold by subprime lenders to Wall Street firms that bundled them with other, less risky, loans into securities.
Investigators want to find out whether the banks properly disclosed the high risk of default on those loans when selling those securities to investors in Connecticut and elsewhere, Blumenthal said.
"The investment banks may have used very broad, boilerplate disclaimer language that effectively failed to disclose fully and fairly all the information," he said.
Blumenthal said Connecticut is cooperating with New York and that the investigation may eventually include the Securities and Exchange Commission.
The Times said charges could be filed in the coming weeks.
If you wanna talk sub-human, let's talk about the greedy fucks that measure their whole lives in millions of dollars, while producing nothing of value. Like econ's heroes, the hedge-fund thieves. Gates is a sick puppy, but at least he sells something besides misery.
nick carraway | 01.13.08 - 12:25 am | #
I find the deification of Reagan downright creepy, and the constant scrambling for a replacement.
Yo Feral-Liberal! How about those Packers?
Sadly one of my (female) Facebook friends (who is TEH HAWT) was watching the game in Seattle (where she is now a nanny -- Bachelor's degree from a good Michigan college & she is a nanny -- good pay, apparently)
I really haven't paid attention to professional sports (except for wrestling) since Jim Brown retired (so there's that)
"and, I suppose, the 'natural' state of affairs for a long time."
Made me think for a sec. I wonder how many things would not exist or be universally available if we always operated on that basis.
Polio would be all the rage is one that I can think of.
If you wanna talk sub-human, let's talk about the greedy fucks that measure their whole lives in millions of dollars, while producing nothing of value. Like econ's heroes, the hedge-fund thieves. Gates is a sick puppy, but at least he sells something besides misery.
ronjazz
Hear, hear.
and with that thought, I am off. Night, all.
Peace. I swear it is not too late.
EkCenTrik, and death in childbirth would be routine.
the ratio of worker pay to CEO compensation seems way out of whack to me, but it makes sense in the context of 'dog eat dog'
No, it actually doesn't. Because many if not most of these CEOs run their companies into the ground.
And they bitch up a storm about how unions supposedly protect the incompetent.
Gates is a sick puppy, but at least he sells something besides misery.
I assume you use a Mac.
I find the deification of Reagan downright creepy, and the constant scrambling for a replacement
The current rethug primary battle is for the hearts of the CoRe (Cult of Reagan) republicans.
"That would be justice."
We should have debtor's prisons?
Gates is a sick puppy, but at least he sells something besides misery.
I assume you use a Mac.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant
awesome.
I assume you use a Mac.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant | 01.13.08 - 12:28 am | #
hehehe, yes, I do. Jobs is another asshole, though.
Hey Prior!
Should be seeing you in Philly...
"If you honestly have to ask that question: you have no morals whatsoever."
Yes, I am Satan himself. Very perceptive of you.
Enjoy your evening.
"EkCenTrik, and death in childbirth would be routine."
Food poisoning, lead poisoning, mercury poisoning.
Heck Diabetics would face a death sentence.
Then there is that educated population. Where most can read at least to some degree.
Highways and street lights.
And did you see Favre, flushed out of the pocket, stumbling and ready to fall, look up and shovel the ball off to a receiver? In traffic?
Good God. Rex Grossman couldn't make that play in his wildest dreams. It would have been a sack and a fumble, recovered by the other team who would then go on to score. Twice.
It isn't as if Bill Gates or Donald Trump started out with *nothing*... & I find it highly unlikely these big-time CEO types did either...
Gates is a sick puppy, but at least he sells something besides misery.
ronjazz
Windows is misery. And Office has gotten more miserable with every new version. But generally I agree with your point.
Enjoy your evening.
Econ 102 | 01.13.08 - 12:30 am | #
You know how you could assure that...
Microsoft's security philosophy is to prevent the users from doing what they want, while allowing hackers to do what they want.
So it's a kinda communal outlook.
"many if not most of these CEOs run their companies into the ground."
Do you actually believe that?
EkCenTrik, indoor plumbing, washers and dryers, hot showers, clean drinking water, textual intercourse, online friends...
No, it actually doesn't. Because many if not most of these CEOs run their companies into the ground.
Exactly - they and their boards are supposed to be acting in the interests of their shareholders (leaving aside their abdication of any responsibility to the society providing them the infrastructure and labor supply they require), but in fact they mostly screw not only their employees and the general public but also the shareholders.
They really seem just not to believe anyone else should have anything and they deserve everything. Goddam feudalists.
The real ratio of pay that's out of wack is people with college degrees to people without college degrees.
And Office has gotten more miserable with every new version. But generally I agree with your point.
Except for the bloat, I don't mind Office 2007 so much.
Econ: hard to frame it precisely in a quick blog post, but I'll try. Compensation decisions are made for a variety of reasons, in a variety of venues. Astronomical CEO compensations in organizations which all too frequently require sacrifices of their employees of benefits, jobs and advancement opportunities in order to 'meet competitive challenges by getting lean and mean, thinking outside the box and rightsizing' and so on, and all too frequently don't even do very well as companies or investments (Home Depot and Countrywide come to mind) raise political, social, moral and ethical questions as well as economic ones. Were it demonstrable that lavish remuneration, say, of a hedge fund manager offering his delighted investors generous returns, or a software tycoon whose rapidly growing company is a pleasure to work for or to invest in, didn't hurt anyone, and that said noble plutocrat used his/her wealth in a socially responsible way, perhaps that would be different.
the ratio of worker pay to CEO compensation seems way out of whack to me, but it makes sense in the context of 'dog eat dog', which was the real legacy of Reagan...
The fiscal conservatives have gone a long way in turning the clock back to about 1890. The days of huge monopolies and mind staggering rich folks like Rockefeller and Carnegie. The days of terrible conditions for workers and sweat shops, though admittedly those have been exported overseas in our modern era of globalization.
"& I find it highly unlikely these big-time CEO types did either..."
I think it ticks me off more that those that did so frequently cease to remember being paycheck to paycheck and worrying about every blessed little expense. They always forget the folks who work their 40 hours and more but are compensated far less are the same folks that enable the big CEO salaries.
I find it highly unlikely these big-time CEO types did either...
nick carraway | 01.13.08 - 12:30 am | #
that's truly the most maddening aspect; these fat white shits all go to the same schools and do all their deals on the golf courses of country clubs that are exclusive in the real sense. the land of oportunity; right.
And Office has gotten more miserable with every new version. But generally I agree with your point.
The "regular user" default settings for most of Microsoft's products are for a person I've never met.
The real ratio of pay that's out of wack is people with college degrees to people without college degrees.
Yeah, right. Tell that to people like me, a liberal arts grad of the '70s, who really originated the phrase, "I have a B.A. Would you like fries with that order?"
The real ratio of pay that's out of wack is people with college degrees to people without college degrees.
Oh, really now?
I find Bill Gates' ethics questionable. He may be willing to give lots of money away now. In the past so did Rockefeller, Hughes and Carnegie. But the way they made that money was to step on the necks of decent people. Microsoft screwed over employees by outsourcing. Hughes's insanity only accidentally awarded some of his money to medicine. Both he and MacArthur were more interested in avoid taxes than awarding grants. They were not capitalists, they were skinflints who figured out how to game the system.
I hate the "Fisher-Price" default environment, hunting around at a client site, for apps I know are there, but I can't find them, because of the gaii interface.
The "regular user" default settings for most of Microsoft's products are for a person I've never met.
But at least they did away with Clipit, the "helpful" paperclip.
At least my wife's friends aren't famous for their Cheesy Bits...
"Sallyh, Jim Hall is one of my biggest influences, and a dear, old friend."
he's the dude that sang with oats??
I have Office '04 on my Mac; it's the Econ of software. Endlessly irritating. Unfortunately, everybody in business uses it, so I'm stuck.
strawhat | 01.13.08 - 12:30 am | #
Bears don't pick QB's well (or have a long term winning strategy). Chicago teams are usually one shot deals, hope they win it all, if they don't, into the doldrums for 10 years or so.
The Bulls are the exception to this rule.
The "regular user" default settings for most of Microsoft's products are for a person I've never met.
MP
They're for a person in marketing who never actually has to use the software.
"I find Bill Gates' ethics questionable"
Trying to buy his way into heaven.
But I am willing to give him wiggle room. He had to grow up a bit. How much of his earlier behavior was built on immaturity coupled with early success?
Still, how he could let Ballmer exist I cannot understand.
Sanitation. Immunization. Antibiotics. You know medical science never actually *cured* anything or anyone until the early 20th century when they finally found the drugs that could cure bacterial infection? Diphtheria was the first one. Up until that time, all the doctors could do was prevent things, clean things up, and get out of the way so the immune system could do its work. And if the immune system was overwhelmed, there was nothing to be done.
They were not capitalists, they were skinflints who figured out how to game the system
And whom late in life in many cases suddenly became concerned with their "legacy", rather like a certain simian we are all aquainted with...
Like rewarding the CEO of H&R Block with bonuses when he effed up with the subprimes.
But at least they did away with Clipit, the "helpful" paperclip.
If they were clever, there would have been a setting to use the mouse to lob bombs at that stupid thing.
There should be an option on Office that lets you run the apps with the front end/defaults of any previous version, all the way back to Word, Excel, etc. before they were bundled.
ProfWombat, when I've had to attend Monsieur's company functions, I usually end up being the only woman who's employed professionally. Needless to say, I find the endless discussions of schlepping children from one lesson to the next in the overpriced minivan or SUV and complaining about the maid to be stultifyingly dull.
Fortunately, Monsieur only rarely inflicts this sort of torture on me.
But at least they did away with Clipit, the "helpful" paperclip.
SteveNS, square
I've never wanted to strangle a paperclip before him....
Of course, another major difference between now and 1890 is that Rockefeller and Carnegie, while complete bastards, where actually good businessman.
CEO executive compensation these days seems to completely uncorrelated with success. Folks are rewarded for incompetence.
"But at least they did away with Clipit, the "helpful" paperclip."
And there is always that one user who "likes" it.
Same thing with the dumb dog on windows search under explorer.
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) -- Authorities in New York and Connecticut are investigating whether Wall Street banks hid crucial information about high-risk loans bundled into securities that were sold to investors, Connecticut's Attorney General said Saturday.
Acoording to those who know....here and here, what they're investigating -- the exceptions -- aren't the problem. It's the stuff that wasn't exceptional that's the problem.
Re: CEO pay (etc.) -- I highly recommend Paul Krugman's "The Conscience of a Liberal"
Feral-Liberal -- looking forward to seeing you at the EschaCon (joke for you end-timers -- not that any of them would show up here ...)
MacMonk signing off for the night (or morning -- depending on your theology)
dig deep into any big pile of money, and you'll find a lot of shit...
I find the endless discussions of schlepping children from one lesson to the next in the overpriced minivan or SUV and complaining about the maid to be stultifyingly dull.
Fortunately, Monsieur only rarely inflicts this sort of torture on me.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Maybe we should complain about not having maids and how dirty the house is getting because we blog...
The absolute worst was the new search algorithm introduced with XP. For performance sake, they figured they'd mask a shload of file types from the results.
You can actually be in a folder and be looking at a file that the search engine doesn't include in the results.
Agent Ransack solves that prob. A great (and fast) freeware solution to that idiotic decision by M$.
"I usually end up being the only woman who's employed professionally."
That just didn't read right.
Folks are rewarded for incompetence.
Richard
Explaining its appeal to Econ.
I'm shocked that Econ is still trolling here....and picking fights.
But, like dith and Ruppert and auggy, we kinda know what to expect.
Unfortunately, everybody in business uses it, so I'm stuck
As am I, as IT, I have to support every software and platform no matter how old and outdated.
sallyh: I occasionally, in pre-childrearing years, accompanied Dr Mrs W to conferences where she learned something medically useful by morning, and we played together the rest of the day. I would occasionally find myself in a Spouse Group of radiologists' Significant Others. After the second one, I abjured them. Strange conversations, and the occasional really odd and not entirely welcome appraisal...
So is Econ a sockpuppet for another of our regular trolls? I kind of lose track -- killfile contributes to that. Not that I'm complaining, mind you.
Of course, another major difference between now and 1890 is that Rockefeller and Carnegie, while complete bastards, where actually good businessman.
CEO executive compensation these days seems to completely uncorrelated with success. Folks are rewarded for incompetence.
For all their evil doings, Rockefeller and Carnegie dealt with actual things (oil and steel, etc.). Today's CEOs deal with futures, short calls, subprime bonds and hedge funds.
I normally try to be a peaceable person, but I really do believe that Bush, Cheney and their collaborators ought to be tried, convicted and shot by a firing squad. That is one case where capital punishment might work as a deterrent. At the very least, it would be justice on the "as you measure to others" scale.
Failing that, their personal fortunes should be confiscated to reimburse the country and they should be forced to work changing bedpans at vets' hospitals for the rest of their lives - at less than minimum wage.
Econ is more like toby, yearning for acceptance while pissing everybody off with delusions of adequacy.
Milton Friedman would say "let the market adjust itself. Business will do the right thing".
Friedman is/was an ass.
It's like saying Janeane, here's the DVD store, it's yours. Do the right thing and don't steal anything. If you do, there will be no punishment.
Like I wouldn't go home with the whole Criterion collection.
Maybe we should complain about not having maids and how dirty the house is getting because we blog...
Ellroon, why is it that these bimbos don't work and can afford maids, and I do work and can't afford one?
Oh wait. These are executive and marketing wives.
Silly me. My talented, PhD educated software engineer husband could be nowhere near as valuable to the company's fortunes as any of these idiots.
But I'm not bitter.
sister of ye | 01.13.08 - 12:42 am
Marry me.
Ek, I know, but we went wine tasting this afternoon, and brought home many bottles, and have drunk a few...
Failing that, their personal fortunes should be confiscated to reimburse the country and they should be forced to work changing bedpans at vets' hospitals for the rest of their lives - at less than minimum wage.
sister of ye
On the night shift...
sister of ye | 01.13.08 - 12:42 am | #
All of the above, and future generations of those families banned from public office.
For performance sake, they figured they'd mask a shload of file types from the results
Including native Outlook files, which were text serchable in W2K. Found a free filter that adds Outlook format to Windows search, thank goddess...
Microsoft: Oh, we decided you only wanted *some* of the search results, when the boss is pressing you to find that file.
ProfWombat, did she ever attend surgeons' conferences with you?
All of the above, and future generations of those families banned from public office.
ronjazz
Exactly! We demand all politicians take a DNA test!
And an IQ test...
But, like dith and Ruppert and auggy, we kinda know what to expect.
I wish he'd go back to grandma's home cooking; I miss all the stories of life on the riverboats, plotting the demise of liberals.
"But at least they did away with Clipit, the "helpful" paperclip."
And there is always that one user who "likes" it.
One of the guys in my department refuses to get rid of Clipit, which is embarrassing as all fuck when we're in a staff meeting and he brings up a document and there's fuckin' Clipit!
How many billionaire fortunes would we have to confiscate to pay for this war?
"
For all their evil doings, Rockefeller and Carnegie dealt with actual things (oil and steel, etc.). Today's CEOs deal with futures, short calls, subprime bonds and hedge funds."
Create a simulation and let them play it out. Just don't tell them the data is not real.
Had a problematic manager once who kept changing crap in system by remote at night. Couldn't just cut him off because of his level. So we put him on a back up system for a few days until everything got sorted out.
On the night shift...
I know you're singing loud,
I know you're not alone...
Exactly! We demand all politicians take a DNA test!
And an IQ test...
ellroon
After the last 7 years, breathalyzer might not be a bad idea either.
Executive and marketing wives. . . marketing attracts a set of people I don't quite get, being the introverted editor that I am, making deadlines & putting out a product. We've got a new marketing person who just baffles me altogether. Noisy, fizzing with ideas that have *nothing* to do with the market we're trying to serve, or the mission we try to carry out, and likewise fizzing with fizz. Entertaining if you don't have to try to make a deadline within earshot.
an IQ test...
ellroon | Homepage | 01.13.08 - 12:45 am | #
Still won't stop the MSM from trying to annoit an idiot for president.
They haven't learned their lesson with Bush.
How many billionaire fortunes would we have to confiscate to pay for this war?
leibniz, monad? | 01.13.08 - 12:45 am | #
all of them, at Chimpy's rate.
sallyh: didn't go to 'em, took my C.M.E.s using written materials. Never liked going to them. Never felt all that comfortable around surgeons once I finished my residency, oddly...
I wish he'd go back to grandma's home cooking; I miss all the stories of life on the riverboats, plotting the demise of liberals.
That was dith at his best.
"As pure as a gambler's cigar..."
After the last 7 years, breathalyzer might not be a bad idea either.
SteveNS, square
And no secret batteries on the back nor ear pieces to cheat during the debates...
I just wanna know what's on the *&%*( hard drive, Bill Gates. It ain't that tough a concept.
Like I wouldn't go home with the whole Criterion collection.
You need two sets?
"Were it demonstrable that lavish remuneration, say, of a hedge fund manager offering his delighted investors generous returns, or a software tycoon whose rapidly growing company is a pleasure to work for or to invest in, didn't hurt anyone, and that said noble plutocrat used his/her wealth in a socially responsible way, perhaps that would be different."
I agree with you that we need to develop a culture in which the ends are considered is essential. Simply making money without regards to consequences usually creates a tremendous amount of problems and suffering, somewhat offset by the upsides of these economic institutions.
What to do about it, though, is another matter.
Your original comment regarded the supposed immorality of a certain level of compensation - above 1 billion dollars annually - and it begs the question as to whether there is a threshold of acceptability and what that threshold is. Some have used compensation ratios as a metric (like they used to do at Ben and Jerry's). You clarified this by stating that the use of wealth is what's important.
So that then begs the question of how to make it such that innovation, job creation, wealth creation, and so forth, are able to continue, while also attending to social consequences of business enterprises.
Dr. Reich, for example, explains CEO pay as simply the result of supply and demand, and that we solve the inequality issues by increasing taxation on high levels of individual compensation.
Yet, as it stands now, roughly half of federal discretionary spending goes towards "defense," so is that necessarily a social good to be taking the money out of someone making a large amount of money only to then give it to an institution that spends 50 cents on the dollar (at least) on killing people and enriching players in the military-industrial complex?
Bottom line is that, as you are clearly indicating, it isn't so simplistic an issue as "CEOs bad" and such. Such notions may feel personally satisfying, but I personally feel they don't lead to any constructive examination of important questions.
ProfWombat, my own physicians (internist and shrink) don't like them, either.
I'm shocked that Econ is still trolling here....and picking fights.
He'll eventually switch to another identity when people get tired of arguing with this one, just as his female sockpuppet, annieangel, became mimi.
The Econ 102 character is basically Live Free or Die, without the claims of being a black libertarian.
And an IQ test...
ellroon
Murkans don't like smart in their preznits.
Scroll. Yawn.
I'm shocked that Econ is still trolling here....and picking fights.
That's all the enjoyment he gets from life....being a tiresome fuck who thinks he's smarter than everyone else.
How do you feel about ESOPs?
That was dith at his best.
I operate under the assumption that 80-90% are the same guy, living off disability and with a hardon for Atrios' traffic that Cialis couldn't beat.
G'night, bats, I gotta sing in the morning.
Murkans don't like smart in their preznits.
Terry C - Edwards 2008
After seven years of one whom people said would be fun to have a beer with... I think we're ready to try an intellectual..
Please..
I personally feel they don't lead to any constructive examination of important questions.
Constructive question #1: Why do you come here?
Gates gets too cute thinking he knows from focus groups what Gus in Peoria wants when he uses his 'puter.
Amigos,
one year ago today, the hateful, enculamiento mouthpieces of KSFO, SNUFF Radio, San Francisco, were engaged een an entertaining mix of back-pedaling and blame-shifting, as they had to go on-air and do a 3 hour show to deal weeth the fallout from the worsening Spocko campaign.
I didn't hear eet, but Phila did, and his recollections are here.
Under thees leenk, joo'll find as well a roundup of the days coverage from Thers, and a message of muchas gracias from Ripley.
Spocko: One Year Ago Today
Vayamos.
I have an ingenius formula to get rid of the trolls.
And no secret batteries on the back nor ear pieces to cheat during the debates...
I want those motherfuckers frisked and wanded.
"picking fights"
[holds up mirror]
After seven years of one whom people said would be fun to have a beer with... I think we're ready to try an intellectual..
Please..
ellroon
Hey, Bill Clinton was a bright guy and look at the way he was treated.
Gus in Peoria wants when he uses his 'puter.
MP
I'll go beat up Gus in Peoria with Clipit the paperclip...
Murkans don't like smart in their preznits.
That's a fairly new phenomenon, I think, starting with the intense marketing for "normal guy" Reagan. Other presidents may have pitched the folksy image, but I can't recall them bragging about being stupid.
I'm dunn fur, folks.
Goodnight.
Hey, Bill Clinton was a bright guy and look at the way he was treated.
Terry C - Edwards 2008
... but Clinton had a penis...
I'm fading fast...sleep well, gentle hippies.
Other presidents may have pitched the folksy image, but I can't recall them bragging about being stupid.
sister of ye
I HATE the way some people seem to think being ignorant and stupid is an American value.
Other presidents may have pitched the folksy image, but I can't recall them bragging about being stupid.
sister of ye
If Poppy had said "Well, sheeee-oot! If that don't beat all!" at seeing the grocery scanner, he'd have won re-election.
Econ 102 is blocked
But...but it's so cute.
FOAD, clod.
I HATE the way some people seem to think being ignorant and stupid is an American value.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 | Homepage | 01.13.08 - 12:52 am | #
well, you have to admit, the Repigs sure do jump on that bandwagon. Rove even admitted that if republicans get too smart they'll lose their base.
Other presidents may have pitched the folksy image, but I can't recall them bragging about being stupid.
sister of ye
Folky comes in many flavors. I prefer smart as shit folksy, like FDR.
Dumb as a bag of hammers folksy is very passe.
You'll find no more determined foe of military spending, on several levels, than I. But that's not really relevant to the discussion of CEO remuneration or taxation thereof. Our current budget priorities under Bush hardly exhaust the possibilities. Nor does my disagreement with Bushist spending alter the fact that taxpayers are required to support it, and that such support should be called forth as equitably as possible.
Anyway, gotta fall asleep--'night, all
If Poppy had said "Well, sheeee-oot! If that don't beat all!" at seeing the grocery scanner, he'd have won re-election.
SteveNS, square
Well, hey, he DID pretend to like country music, pork rinds and pro wrestling.
Seeing your president pitch his guts into a bucket, stagger to his vehicle and then weave on home, slurring "See you in the office in the morning!", is not confidence inspiring.
Hey, Bill Clinton was a bright guy and look at the way he was treated.
Terry C - Edwards 2008
... but Clinton had a penis...
ellroon
And Bush is a dick.
Again, Poppy was post "jolly guy" Reagan. Lyndon Johnson was a "folksy Texan," but he never pitched himself as being dumb. Same with Carter. But it was Carter who was excoriated as being a know-it-all as part of the build-up for Reagan (may he be burning in hell at this very moment).
Hey, Bill Clinton was a bright guy and look at the way he was treated.
Terry C - Edwards 2008
... but Clinton had a penis...
I'll bet my pension that George Bush's penis has spent more time exploring the skull sockets and boners of some disease-infested Ivy league wannabees,
Eekno script:
"2+2=5"
"You're an ass"
"Why are you so angry?"
"Go fuck yourself"
"Holding up a mirror"
[Ignores]
"2+2=4, and you people are really really stupid for not knowing that."
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Night, prof. You hit the biscuit: Econ is more interested in showing off his community college education than is actually solving the problems. endless discussion, rather than action. Sure, the CEOs may not be the whole problem in every case, but they sure are a highly visible part of the problem in most cases. Cut them off at the knees; they do not deserve thousands of times more money than the people who do the actual work.
Constructive question #1: Why do you come here?
SteveNS, square
No friends
No life
No shame
No brains
ronjazz, hey, a lot of really bright kids come out of community colleges.
And the Ivies crank out Econs and Bushes all the time
"FOAD, clod."
I always find it interesting how emboldened some people feel by this sort of technology of communication. When you are in meatspace, do you speak to other people in this manner, specifically when they haven't spoken in such a manner to you?
I believe it is rather reckless to think that there are no consequences.
Reagan (may he be burning in hell at this very moment).
sister of ye
Sucking Stalin's cock and getting fucked up the ass by Kruschev.
He'll eventually switch to another identity when people get tired of arguing with this one, just as his female sockpuppet, annieangel, became mimi.
The Econ 102 character is basically Live Free or Die, without the claims of being a black libertarian.
Richard
You're sounding like Joseph Campbell or Robert Graves.
When we were racing the Russians, back in the 50's and 60's we were all about universities and study and research and scientists holding beakers up to the light.
Now, collidge is too high falutin'.
Wha' happen'?
EkCenTriK: yeah, but watching him do shots and dance on the bar and call the Secret Service guys "Washinon Vice" was really cool.
Wha' happen'?
MP
The Dumbing Down of America.
On the plus side, it included a large chunk of Tweety bloviating about Lawrence of Arabia and Jon Stewart's reaction.
Who did he compare to Lawrence? I was trying to remember ealier.
ronjazz, hey, a lot of really bright kids come out of community colleges.
And the Ivies crank out Econs and Bushes all the time
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 01.13.08 - 12:59 am | #
a fair point, but I really don't think Econ ever finished school anyway. I mean, he really thinks anyone gives half a shit about what he has to say. His faux superiority and dime-store Buddism is pure home-school.
can't recall them bragging about being stupid.
sister of ye | 01.13.08 - 12:51 am | #
Stupidity became a virtue in the 80's and 90's (and this decade).
Thinking about that reminds me of Forrest Gump. I saw part of it on TBS again, and I remembered why I hated it.
You'd think the MSM would learn a lesson from the Bush fiasco, but they're still trying to find their new dumb guy.
They were hoping for George Allen until his Macaca moment.
I admit is kind of funny when he starts issuing veiled threats. He knows where a whole lot of use will be in March - let him show up and he'll find out whether people will tell him to fuck off to his face.
They were hoping for George Allen until his Macaca moment.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
To paraphrase Ralph Kramden:
He had a biggggggggggggggg mouth!
ronjazz, true dat.
He reminds me of some of the kids I get from Protestant parochial schools.
Jonah Goldberg says
Who....the....fuck....cares?
I believe it is rather reckless to think that there are no consequences.
All you do is pick fights, clod. All you do is try and rile folks up. You have nothing to offer to the discourse. You'd rather attack the method than the way people meet. You're a clod in dozens of senses; in the fact that you have no redeeming quality to add to this place.
So, I stand by my wish.
The distance between the ideology of Pol Pot and Gloria Steinmen is not so great.
It's STEINEM, you fucking ignorant jackass.
Did anyone read Lawrence O'Donnell's idiot post "John Edwards is a loser"?
Who did he compare to Lawrence? I was trying to remember ealier.
Obama - he was going to attack the Clintons from the sea, or the Turks from the desert. or something.
I admit is kind of funny when he starts issuing veiled threats. He knows where a whole lot of use will be in March - let him show up and he'll find out whether people will tell him to fuck off to his face.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant
Threats???
Obama - he was going to attack the Clintons from the sea, or the Turks from the desert. or something.
I remember thinking it was an utterly nutty thing to say, even for him.
The Dumbing Down of America.
Terry C - Edwards 2008
And the Asswipe in Chief nailed that theses to the US door, that it was damned OK to be ignorant, with his incessant "heh, heh, lookie, she's the PhD, an' I'm a C student, heh, heh." horsecrap.
Did anyone read Lawrence O'Donnell's idiot post "John Edwards is a loser"?
I did.
That was some powerful stupid.
The Dumbing Down of America.
Terry C - Edwards 2008
And the Asswipe in Chief nailed that theses to the US door, that it was damned OK to be ignorant, with his incessant "heh, heh, lookie, she's the PhD, an' I'm a C student, heh, heh." horsecrap.
MP
For that alone, he should rot in hell.
Who did he compare to Lawrence? I was trying to remember ealier.
Tweety would like to think of himself as Lawrence, and Mitt and Rudy! as his Turkish interrogators.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant | 01.13.08 - 1:06 am | #
Tweety DeeDum was referring to Akabar, a Turkish stronghold in Arabia. It was defended only at sea, as it was also bordered by the Nefu Desert, a god forsaken desert that no one had ever crossed successfully.
Until Lawrence.
I think he was drawing a comparison of Lawrence to Obama, that the Clintons didn't expect him to come at them from the unguarded border, or something like that. The analogy isn't completely off, but Tweety is such a blowhard that he really fucked it up.
Now, collidge is too high falutin'.
Wha' happen'?
A brilliant marketing campaign to convince Americans to be proud of being ignorant, the better to be fleeced.
There are many bright people who never got the opportunity for higher education, but many of them would have taken advantage of it if they could, and found other means to educate themselves.
Frontier communities would establish schools, often free and funded by the citizenry. It used to be a bragging point that the average person could get access to all the education they wanted to pursue - the reason for state universities.
The Rethugs have deliberately undermined the quest for education, and the quality of what is available to all but the elite.
"All you do is pick fights, clod. All you do is try and rile folks up. You have nothing to offer to the discourse. You'd rather attack the method than the way people meet. You're a clod in dozens of senses; in the fact that you have no redeeming quality to add to this place.
So, I stand by my wish."
Your projection has nothing to do with reality, clearly. I'm just trying to imagine you speaking this way in a public setting, to say, 6 large black males. My strong sense is that you wouldn't begin to utter a single word as you have here under those conditions, yet because you can delude yourself about the fact that you're not speaking to another real person, a moral and decent person just as yourself, who hasn't spoken harshly to you, nor picked a fight with you, you feel what you're saying and how you're saying it is fine.
Like many things, this says nothing about me (since clearly your perceptions have nothing to do with reality) and everything about yourself.
I hope you sleep it off.
Who....the....fuck....cares?
Terry C - Edwards 2008
You liberal fascist commie!
"There are many bright people who never got the opportunity for higher education, but many of them would have taken advantage of it if they could, and found other means to educate themselves."
I know people with master's degrees who don't have a lick of common sense or street sense.
The day I can't say "Damn! I didn't know that" is when I know it's time to go.
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 01.13.08 - 1:07 am | #
Essentially calling Edwards a loser for simply being progressive.
It was the standard "Washington consensus" bullshit from the 1990's, when the DLC Dems like Lawrence and the Clintons were determined to shut progressives up.
I think Lawrence is a loser. He's also a Lieberman lover.
Who's my little dumb cunt, hmmm? C'mon, who is she? C'mon, you know who it is....'es 'oo do!!
asswipe in chief nailed the feces to the door.
Ooh, 6 black straw men. Very good, Econ, you have just declared your repubican-ness. Looks like Zap nailed you but good.
You liberal fascist commie!
ellroon
Hey, just don't call me a Republican.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
The main reason he's stuck with this character is that he's been pretty effective using it to get people to react to him in completely knee-jerk fashion, to disagree with him just for the sake of disagreeing.
When people jump on him when happens to be right, he wins one of his little victories, showing how much smarter he is than we are, and how we are guilty of "group think". That's been a big part of his agenda with a lot of his characters, but perhaps never so evident as with this one.
The Dumbing Down of America.
Terry C - Edwards 2008
And the Asswipe in Chief nailed that theses to the US door, that it was damned OK to be ignorant, with his incessant "heh, heh, lookie, she's the PhD, an' I'm a C student, heh, heh." horsecrap.
MP
For that alone, he should rot in hell.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 | Homepage | 01.13.08 - 1:08 am | #
It's not just politics. It's everything, movies, TV.
I think I've said this before, but I would switch channels from TCM to Comedy Central, going from a great movie on TCM (like The Bridge on the River Kwai) to Comedy Central (Joe Dirt, House Party 4).
Embarrassing....
And the Asswipe in Chief nailed that theses to the US door, that it was damned OK to be ignorant, with his incessant "heh, heh, lookie, she's the PhD, an' I'm a C student, heh, heh." horsecrap.
MP
For that alone, he should rot in hell.
Terry C - Edwards 2008
Have some pics that fit perfectly (scroll down)...
As I've said many times, I do not understand why certain parties show up on these threads.
It's been made very plain to them that they are neither welcome nor wanted here.
How many times did we hear from the MSM that Bush's stupidity was going to help him? That's it's good that he doesn't know anything. It's good that he's a moron.
Is Econ claiming to be six black males? It's late and perhaps I'm not reading it right.
It's been made very plain to them that they are neither welcome nor wanted here.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 | Homepage | 01.13.08 - 1:13 am | #
Well, somebody has to benchmark Stoopid.
Have some pics that fit perfectly (scroll down)...
ellroon
I've seen more intelligent expressions on sheep at petting zoos.
They show up here because they like the people and the politics.
Is Econ claiming to be six black males? It's late and perhaps I'm not reading it right.
sister of ye | 01.13.08 - 1:14 am | #
yes, but he would never "project".
I want Brideshead Revisited, not a 24 hour marathon of reality shows.
Is that so difficult?
Comedy Central (Joe Dirt, House Party 4).
Ah, yes - Comedy Central.
Constantly showing shit that isn't in the least bit funny.
They show up here because they like the people and the politics.
Also because I...er...they....like to suck their souls dry.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 | Homepage | 01.13.08 - 1:16 am | #
Aside from Stewart and to a degree Colbert (I have to admit his schtick is getting a bit thin), why is called COMEDY Central?
They show the worst movies imaginable. And their original series (except for some of South Park) are, for the most part, absolute garbage.
I'd like to know how Econ came to the conclusion that it's not cool to tell someone to fuck off, yet it's entirely worthwhile to hang out where he's not wanted and strive to annoy.
No, wait. I know how.
He's a disingenuous fuckwit.
They show up here because they like the people and the politics.
apple | 01.13.08 - 1:15 am | #
Oh. I wonder how we missed that.
Masterpeace gally is doing a wave of Jane Austin presently. that should hold you.
They show up here because they like the people and the politics.
apple
No they don't, jack.
They show up here because they're desperate for attention.
Has the commenter number disappeared for good? Or is Haloscan being difficult?
Judging from the pics Watertiger has been featuring of Junior's Mideast trip, I really think he's finally lost it, that the booze and drugs have finally completely eaten his brain.
So, who will be the Leslie Stahl who reveals that Chimpy was braindead well before his time in office ended?
So, who will be the Leslie Stahl who reveals that Chimpy was braindead well before his time in office ended?
sister of ye
Weekend at Bernie's?
sister of ye | 01.13.08 - 1:18 am | #
We'll get the usual "we didn't know" shit, or "we didn't say anything to protect the country".
Honestly, Bush looks like a zombie with too much makeup.
I'm just trying to imagine you speaking this way in a public setting, to say, 6 large black males.
All you had to do was say that; how fucking humiliating.
My strong sense is that you wouldn't begin to utter a single word as you have here under those conditions, yet because you can delude yourself about the fact that you're not speaking to another real person, a moral and decent person just as yourself, who hasn't spoken harshly to you, nor picked a fight with you, you feel what you're saying and how you're saying it is fine.
You have yet to talk about why you have chosen to come to this blog. I can only discern that you just want to piss people off rather than challenge them. You're a knob that loves to poke at noses.
Nobody here agrees with what you say, yet you troll. Nobody wants to keep in touch with you; yet you poke people. What's your aim? What are you trying to prove? Why can't you acknowledge that you're not offering anyone here anything? Are you seeking attention? Are you that pathetic?? Get a grip on what you want in life, a grab onto it, already. You look weak and pathetic.
Is Econ claiming to be six black males? It's late and perhaps I'm not reading it right.
Well, it ain't 72 houris, that's for sure.
They show up here because they're desperate for attention.
Terry C - Edwards 2008
Just like you
well, laura is clawing chimpy's face, details at 11.
The main reason he's stuck with this character is that he's been pretty effective using it to get people to react to him in completely knee-jerk fashion, to disagree with him just for the sake of disagreeing.
I don't think there's any reason to argue with him b/c he's not arguing (apologies to John Cleese). He just says shit that he mostly makes up and then shifts and shifts and shifts as anyone responds, never directly responding to their points but simply shifting to something else. I guess some people find it fun, but the only trolls I've ever found worthwhile are the ones who are sincere in their stupidity. This one (like all his little puppet personae) is patently phony.
So, who will be the Leslie Stahl who reveals that Chimpy was braindead well before his time in office ended?
Nancy Reagan will announce it just before the derrick lowers Margaret Thatcher wet black forest onto Ronnie's face.
Here's my formula for softening the trolling around here.
Every comment must have at least one positive response.
The ingenius element here is not just that it throws the trolls a small bone, it's that it throws everybody a bone and softens the vitriol against the trolls.
Just like you
Ô¿Ô
Speak for yourself, please.
Bars have closing time for a reason.
Ewww... who wants soft trolls... harder to scrape off.
I guess some people find it fun, but the only trolls I've ever found worthwhile are the ones who are sincere in their stupidity.
A punching bag can be anyone or everyone you imagine it to be.
Wash hapnin dudesh? PARRRRRTEEEE OWN!
Wheresh meh drank? God DAMN?
Wha? Fuckn shit.
Here's my formula for softening the stools around here.
Fucked your tush.
Nancy Reagan will announce it just before the derrick lowers Margaret Thatcher wet black forest onto Ronnie's face.
leibniz, monadΩ
Nooners already called dibs on that.
"Has the commenter number disappeared for good? Or is Haloscan being difficult?"
Hard to tell, but it has been gone for at least several days now.
Nooners already called dibs on that.
Econ 102 wants sloppy seconds.
Yep...Econ answered all of my questions, like a good troll would.
I'm off to bed. Goodnight.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 | Homepage | 01.13.08 - 1:23 am | #
Noonan drools whenever she talks about Reagan....
I'm completely sober but my balls are drunker than a Navy whore.
Only a stone loser would accuse anyone who pawns him of being drunk. same stupid line, every time he gets slapped down. "Bars have a closing time, blah, blah, blah". Yes, so they can throw your boring ass out and get away from you.
I think what pisses me off the most was that Chimpy was not only bestowed the goddamned highest office we have in our government, but that the motherfucker started acting like he earned it.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 | Homepage | 01.13.08 - 1:23 am | #
Noonan drools whenever she talks about Reagan....
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Sooooooooooooo creepy!
man, I remember when Comedy Central ran MST3K and the Kids in the Hall. Back when gas was 25 cents a gallon, and all that walking to school through the snow...
Every comment must have at least one positive response.
The ingenius element here is not just that it throws the trolls a small bone, it's that it throws everybody a bone and softens the vitriol against the trolls.
ape | 01.13.08 - 1:22 am | #
I'm positive that's a dumb idea.
Out.
Ewww... who wants soft trolls... harder to scrape off.
I also find it mildly amusing that he likes to post little comments to himself under random other nyms. He's one emotionally fucked up guy is the only conclusion I can reach.
trypticon | 01.13.08 - 1:27 am | #
Those shows I miss...they were actually funny.
They must have hired new people who decided having comedy at Comedy Central was affecting the bottom line...
I'm positive that's a dumb idea.
ronjazz
I agree.
MP | 01.13.08 - 1:27 am | #
He governed like he had won in a landslide. Mandate my ass....
A dog's bite is usually inversely proportional to its bark.
I think what pisses me off the most was that Chimpy was not only bestowed the goddamned highest office we have in our government, but that the motherfucker started acting like he earned it.
MP
And the fact that he thinks he's really president, not Cheney!
They must have hired new people who decided having comedy at Comedy Central was affecting the bottom line...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 01.13.08 - 1:29 am | #
More of econ's genius CEOs, no doubt.
I also find it mildly amusing that he likes to post little comments to himself under random other nyms. He's one emotionally fucked up guy is the only conclusion I can reach.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant
I guess this is what you do after they put in caller ID and obscene phone calls no longer can happen..
Night for me...
More of econ's genius CEOs, no doubt.
ronjazz
So long as they're MALE CEO's.
He doesn't like women being his bosses, ya know.
A dog's bite is usually inversely proportional to its bark.
Econ 102 | 01.13.08 - 1:30 am | #
Wow. How dangerously stupid.
I think what pisses me off the most was that Chimpy was not only bestowed the goddamned highest office we have in our government, but that the motherfucker started acting like he earned it.
MP
But every once in a while the mask slips and you see someone terrified the world will see he's a fake and a phony. He just hasn't been told we all already know.
A punching bag can be anyone or everyone you imagine it to be.
This guy is less Bobo doll than one of Harlow's wire mothers.
Manos, Hands of Fate.
The French Trappers hunting middle management in a maze of cubicles.
Good times. Back when the weather channel made you magic.
Don't forget the Jane Austin Frest coming to a PBS near you.
"I also find it mildly amusing that he likes to post little comments to himself under random other nyms."
Who does this?
Think Progress title: Global ‘enthusiasm’ for Bush’s departure
Give it to me. Give it to me hard. Give it to me now. Chew my fingers off. This will all end in tears.
There ought to be a law that a candidate losing the popular Presidential choice by more than half a million votes, needs a caregiver, when it comes to unleashing the US military.
Where is Phila this evening? It's dangerously stupid to speculate, I imagine.
This place is teh stoopid.
Econ reminds me of "some" of our panhandlers around this area. They are professionals, I have seen them come and go for years, same folks, drifting in and out of areas. They have their "costumes" and routine. Every few months they shift. Then they come back. I run into the same ones in various parts of town.
We have the respectable family and business man who just got hired in a job but can't feed his family until the first check. He has been doing this for at least four years that I am aware of. He is really good. The clothes are clean, crisp and worthy of an office or store manager. His hair is always cut and his teeth perfect along with his precision moustache.
Then we have the church lady with her sensible tennies and rolled down socks and long skirt. She is between support checks and has two children at home. Again, perfect. Non-threatening and very upstanding looking. The kids I think have graduated college by now.
All guises covering up the same thing. A bunch of flim flammers.
Econ is about the same. In this case a troll hoping to convince us he has some bonafides and should be tolerated.
False feelings of moral superiority are fleeting salves to tortured self-esteem.
the facing pentagon on the dodecahedron is oriented pointing down. this is totally congruent with my working theory that 102 is akin to Filipino Monkey, an emergent collective Erisian conspiracy.
there is no there there.
little fluffy clouds.
"False feelings of moral superiority are fleeting salves to tortured self-esteem.
Econ 102"
A two by four across the head usually establishes whose morals are going to be considered superior at that moment.
He governed like he had won in a landslide.
What Chimpy does couldn't be called "governing" by any stretch of the imagination.
some jerry jeff walker if anyone's so inclined...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H...h?
v=HuvrbEOWXKg
"some jerry jeff walker if anyone's so inclined..."
Be there in a sec, still listening to recent Heart.
Will have to shift modes completely.
Well, off to bed for me. I may be back tomorrow if I still feel sociable.
May everyone here be blessed with dreams of Rethuglicans in orange jumpsuits - and may this year see those dreams come true.
"A two by four across the head usually establishes whose morals are going to be considered superior at that moment."
You have to wonder about yourself when a "panhandler" says things - fairly clear and straightforward things - that go straight over your head.
this thread has offended many democrats with its banality
All guises covering up the same thing. A bunch of flim flammers.
Econ is about the same. In this case a troll hoping to convince us he has some bonafides and should be tolerated.
EkCenTriK
I fell for one once. At a science fair convention in Los Angeles. A woman who said she was a principal of a small school, her car broke down, no triple A card, could she have some money? ... She was dressed so nicely...
There should be an option on Office that lets you run the apps with the front end/defaults of any previous version, all the way back to Word, Excel, etc. before they were bundled.
Tralfaz | 01.13.08 - 12:38 am | #
.........
In Word, it's: Tools - Options - Compatibility (you can go all the way back to Word 1.)
You can also use Tools - Customize to define your F-keys and other various options; e.g., I use F2 to pop up Format-Style, F10 to strike-out selected text, etc.
OK, here's what I've quickly worked up as a first cut at a new US Consitutional Amendment.
If you lose the popular vote by more than one half of one million votes, and are still unbelievably installed as this Nations's Chief Executive, military button pressing priviliges are probational for a period of 2 years, and will be monitored by the United States Comptroller.
It's a first draft, it might need some tightening up.
this thread has offended many democrats with its banality
It is stunning how successful AB Trollie is at generating those. Too bad he can't actually do anything useful with his talents. Anyway, I'm taking my banal ass off too. Night all.
I fell for one once. At a science fair convention in Los Angeles. A woman who said she was a principal of a small school, her car broke down, no triple A card, could she have some money? ... She was dressed so nicely...
my wife.......
and i think econ's icon is a dodecahedron. it actually has 12 faces. the ancients considered it a symbol of the universe...
Many people crave acceptance over all things because the sense of belonging to a group helps them cope with the anxiety of feeling powerless. Consequently, upon feeling a part of a group, these ill-formed individuals often feel more powerful than they actually are, and feel emboldened to embark on behaviors that they would not do outside of a group context.
The distancing effect of this technology enhances these irrational mentalities.
I have no intention of rocking on.
Econ is using that mirror of his, I see. Too bad all those lame bromides are so woefully misundertstood by the writer. He hasn't posted one yet that wouldn't be more useful to him than anyone he's addressing.
The distancing effect of this technology enhances these irrational mentalities.
Econ 102 | 01.13.08 - 1:50 am | #
You have no proof of that whatsoever.
repeat transmission:
the facing pentagon on the dodecahedron is oriented pointing down.
can somebody say, SATAN?
not me, that's for sure.
I'd much rather be happy than right, any day.
False feelings of moral superiority are fleeting salves to tortured self-esteem.
Econ 102
I'm too lazy to go upthread to discover the context of that statement, but it describes perfectly why we are still losing kids in Iraq.
"... She was dressed so nicely...
ellroon "
And that sort of thing ticks me off. I used to help, now I walk on by because I have no idea as to who is who.
the projection is strong in the little one tonight. econ, read your posts instead of cutting and pasting mindlessly from a scientology pamphlet.
I thought Kevin Drum's cats looked cute sitting next to their bowls waiting for their dinner.
older and wiser | 01.13.08 - 1:54 am
Don't feed the troll.
False feelings of moral superiority are fleeting salves to tortured self-esteem.
I should have been
a pair of ragged claws
scuttling across the floors
of silent seas.
fokowi
Nice catch on Jerry Jeff.
"I'm too lazy to go upthread to discover the context of that statement, but it describes perfectly why we are still losing kids in Iraq."
Absolutely. The crux of screwing most people in this country is the basic approach of convincing them that simply being American makes one superior to other people, morally and otherwise, and coupled with a culture that deliberately encourages ignorance of other people, demonization of others allows our nation to rationalize violence against other peoples, as well as simply letting unnecessary suffering and destruction to exist that we could otherwise deal with.
Naturally, none of this actually helps the average American, but rather slowly hurts them, but the cheap attainment of superior feelings is sufficient for most people to get through each day.
Should I, after tea and cakes and ices,
Have the strength to force the moment to its crisis?
Econ's sources seem to be Reader's Digest and Dr. Phil, dumbed down for easier cut 'n' paste.
i find mindless cutting and pasting of scientology pamphlets is a capital form of divination.
and the whole of the law shall be, do
what
thou
wilt
I want him banned
but the cheap attainment of superior feelings is sufficient for most people to get through each day.
Econ 102 | 01.13.08 - 2:00 am | #
so that's your secret!
Sheesh, reading an article on Buddy Holly on CNN, I didn't realize he was only 22 when he died. The man made his legacy early.
Good night you wonderful peoples!
"I used to help, now I walk on by because I have no idea as to who is who."
He who says, " Better go without belief forever than believe a lie!" merely shows his own preponderant private horror of becoming a dupe. He may be critical of many of his desires and fears, but this fear he slavishly obeys. He cannot imagine any one questioning its binding force. For my own part, I have also a horror of being duped; but I can believe that worse things than being duped may happen to a man in this world.
stretching out, like a patient etherized upon a table.
please just admit it, Rethugs.
Chimpy bet the house (read *your* house) on parades and stuff in Iraq.
He threw snake eyes, as he has always done his entire life, when his handlers let him actually hold the dice.
It's no wonder real Republicans are running from him like the goddamned plague.
Where's my Bartlett's?
Would it have been worth while
If one, settling a pillow or throwing off a shawl,
And turning toward the window, should say:
“That is not it at all,
That is not what I meant, at all.”
We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.
"It's no wonder real Republicans are running from him like the goddamned plague."
heh, i read the other day that for republicans, bush is like the Hammer. everyone bought the record, but no one wants to admit it now.
chicago dyke, waiting | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 12:42 am
for I have known them all already, known them all
do I dare
disturb the universe?
On c-span -
Germond, Jack W. Columnist, [Baltimore Sun]
Cosgrove, John President Emeritus, National Press Club
Thomas, Helen Columnist, Hearst Newspapers
Zremski, Jerry President, National Press Club
Veteran Washington journalists swap stories and reflect on the National Press Club’s colorful history on the occasion of its 100th anniversary. The NPC was founded by 32 reporters who wanted a professional place to gather in Washington.
Germond.
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My favorite scene in Throw Momma From The Train is when momma conks danny devito upside the head with a frying pan.
The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the window-panes,
The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes
Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening,
Lingered upon the pools that stand in drains,
Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from chimneys,
Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap,
And seeing that it was a soft October night,
Curled once about the house, and fell asleep.
jack germond died 15 years ago of a massive heart attack.
HE clasps the crag with crooked hands;
Close to the sun in lonely lands,
Ringed with the azure world, he stands.
The wrinkled sea beneath him crawls;
He watches from his mountain walls,
And like a thunderbolt he falls.
Germond knows one of the key secrets to being a good political reporter: when to keep your mouth shut.
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that's why [Baltimore Sun] is in brackets?
I saw dear Hellen Thomas eating chinese food two nights ago.
we made eye contact.
I felt cool.
how's that for fuddyduddy?
jack germond, johnny apple, and tom wicker are all dead.
Anyone still awake besides lonely trolls?
Hey.
It's dangerously stupid to lie.
Most trolls should be forwarded to Jeremiah Elias. The rest should be forwarded to Backslider.
Less troll shit if you don't feed them here.
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The rest should be forwarded to Backslider.
I liked him a lot. Too bad he doesn't post here anymore.
I see him sometimes at alicublog....
thanks, ekcentrik.
crenshaw... http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=2...feature=related
crenshaw doing buddy holly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a...h?v=aNs1In-
Iq8s
The national press club is where louis armstrong gave his last recorded performance.
I see him sometimes at alicublog....
I've wondered.
Dude has a way.
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A smart guy and a good writer.
Germond knows one of the key secrets to being a good political reporter: when to keep your mouth shut.
I used to enjoy seeing Germond on The McLaughlin Group, because there was an obvious rule in effect that, when he spoke, everyone else had to keep their mouth shut.
Hey, kids - if you're a member of Netflix, you can watch Jonathan Livingston Seagull on your computer!
rest in heavenly peas.
Nice to see Atrios post a song I like.
I'm taking my drunk ass to bed, but meanwhile, here's a sneak preview of Sunday Music Blogging.
Germond was saying the JFK asassination killed the Friday evening cocktails at the press club, like the 9/11 death of irony.
Innocence is such a weak sister.
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since nobody is up anyway.
here's some redbone...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0...h?
v=0vUOg3Y7ve4
Anyone still awake besides lonely trolls?
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
I'm out of here.
I've had enough of the trools.
retarded
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