I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
What digby said:
Wyden isn't talking to the people, he's talking to David Broder and the rest of the village punditocrisy and it's insulting to the intelligence of anyone who isn't one of them. It's enough to set your teeth on edge to hear this crap again.
Forever and ever aw, man...
Can't be first, Haloscan must be lying...
good morning
I hate Blue Dog Democrats.
whoa what?
magic threads!
Roubini: "Don't be askeert of China. They are fucking up big-time. They are hurling money into expanding capacity of state-owned enterprises when there is a demand collapse and demand is not going to recover to levels it once was any time soon (or ever)".
That's a paraphrase.
Roubini: "No green shoots, but rather, yellow manure. But manure is productive".
Someone has snatched the sheets, I'm sure of it, Certified, Mutant Enemy.
However, I claim this thread in the name of Bell's Two-Hearted Ale.
Which I am not having, at this very moment.
He said 'I want to get it done this year' and he also indicated that his first choice is to have a bipartisan bill because he recognizes that a bipartisan bill allows the country to come together."
OMG. Clueless is no way to go through life.
Dear Ron,
Bipartisanship is dead, dead, dead, fookin' dead!
I hate Ron Wyden.
He said 'I want to get it done this year' and he also indicated that his first choice is to have a bipartisan bill because he recognizes that a bipartisan bill allows the country to come together."
Fuck this bipartisanship shit.
"Levi Johnson says Palin stepped down for money, family"
What a shock there...
I'm here, and I'm hungry.
If I guess that sardine has a way with snakes, would I be too far off?
Probably not, but it would be irresponsible not to speculate.
Roubini: "Forget about 'How do we get consumers to start spending again' until we stop losing half a million jobs a month".
From below:
As much as I hate to admit it, Noonan's column about Governor Point Guard was right on the money.
Nooners actually made sense for a change.
is that a thunder cat, lynx?
yeah RIL the jobs crisis does not seem to be breaking the crust of the msm
it's a two-fer, digby bitch slaps both Wyden and Boren. saw this item last night and wondered if it would migrate over here.
fucking blue dogs
Ew. I read, "Levi Johnson says Palin stripped down for money, family."
As you were.
"Levi Johnson says Palin stepped down for money"
There was an unnecessary word there.
I don't think Sarah Palin gives a rat's ass about anyone but herself.
Karin, Is that were the Methodists have their tent meeting?
Yep, they still put the tents up every summer. I used to live there, like a stone's throw from the tents & the auditorium. Biggest wooden auditorium in the country, I believe, and also one of the biggest pipe organs. They have an huge, awesome used book sale every year, which takes place today & tomorrow. I usually pick up a whole shopping bag of great reading for a few bucks.
Of to the city for a traditional friday movie marathon.
Bruno, bitches!!!!
Talk to you all tonight...j'espere.
Wyden is one of my Senators. I sent him a personal email asking for a public option. He sent a bullshit 2-page form email saying, "No." Fuck Him.
is that a thunder cat, lynx?
euphronius failure
Had to google that to say: no, i don't think it is.
plantsman maybe you missed it last afternoon, but buttle tried to claim that "also" wanst a german word.
we had fun with that.
but im back to ignoring today!!
Levi Johnson says Palin stepped down for money, family
MiamiHerald.com
You know a lot about Sarah, don't you, Levi? Decent people would like to know why.
Well, let's go do good stuff.
bbl
Who the fuck got up Ron, Mr. Progressive's ass?
terry c hows the legal world in south jersey?
There's also been a big gay community in OG for years, lots of old Victorian homes that have been restored.
plantsman maybe you missed it last afternoon, but buttle tried to claim that "also" wanst a german word.
Also splooged Lubyanka.
buttle tried to claim that "also" was a german word.
Why doesn't he ask that scholar, Texas Chilifarts?
Or sonny's ass is ablaze. Maybe "also" comes from THE Nam.
Actually the Digby article quote from "The Agenda" shows how Obama is doing it right and Clinton did it wrong
Boren shot back. "There's nothing you can do for me or to me that will influence my decision on this matter." he added. "I'm going to make it on the basis of what I think is right or wrong."
Can you say "stimulus funding"?
I missed that, but it means "thus" in German.
Palin went down for money? Shocking.
Time for lawn mowage.
was NOT NOT NOT
he tired to claim it was NOT a german word
god damn it!
Levi Johnson says Palin stepped down for money, family
MiamiHerald.com
You know a lot about Sarah, don't you, Levi? Decent people would like to know why.
Lime Rickey
I'm guessing he fucked her.
Which reminds me, I need to buy bleach.
yeah terry c you misquoted me.
terry c hows the legal world in south jersey?
euphronius failure
Well, I work in Philly, but apparently the courts are pretty busy all over NJ.
The judge's chambers sure don't like to return phone calls.
Particularly in North Jersey.
How can you have a "bipartisan" bill if one side will ALWAYS vote "No"?
This is to you, rootless - there is no bipartisanship right now. The Republicans are bound and determined to incrementalize every single Democratic intiative into failure.
We said this at the beginning and before the beginning. Obama will get nothing from the Republicans.
Until they come around, or when hell freeze over, whichever comes first, he can work on his own side, far too many of whom, like yourself, seem to have forgotten that they have all the mandate that they need from the 2006 and 2008 elections, and they are wasting it on the guys who LOST.
Call me childish if you want, just like the Villagers do. They are wrong, and you are too.
I call it a committment to principle.
~
He lived in Sarah's house in December and January, got to see her "in action."
I'm with Meander.
Fuck this bipartisanship shit.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 9:55 am | #
I think winning is good.
yeah terry c you misquoted me.
euphronius failure
Ooops - sorry about that.
No offense intended.
Which reminds me, I need to buy bleach. - shrimplate
For all of us.
The Public Plan Option
These Democratic Senators have NOT agreed to support it:
Senator Blanche Lincoln (D-AR)
Senator Tom Carper (D-DE)
Senator Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR)
Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL)
Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE)
Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND)
Senator Max Baucus (D-MT)
Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN)
Senator Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Senator Joe Lieberman (I-CT)
lol no it just ocnfused me
i leave out "nots" a lot.
I think winning is good.
rootless-e, appikouros
Not gonna win by kissing Repuke ass.
But that's just my opinion.
"We said this at the beginning and before the beginning. Obama will get nothing from the Republicans. "
You can say it all you want, but he would not have got the stimulus bill without those 3 republican defectors.
Facts are stubborn things.
These Democratic Senators have NOT agreed to support it
I'll bet my two have.
Lautenberg and Menendez.
I heard yesterday that Blanche Lincoln was wavering.
Until they come around, or when hell freeze over, whichever comes first, he can work on his own side, far too many of whom, like yourself, seem to have forgotten that they have all the mandate that they need from the 2006 and 2008 elections, and they are wasting it on the guys who LOST.
What Meander Said.
When First Dude's away, Sarah will play.
i had always thought wyden was one of the decent ones.
he's really full of shit on this one, however.
gah feinstein.
just . . . gah!!!
was NOT NOT NOT
he tired to claim it was NOT a german word
god damn it!
euphronius failure
He doesn't know his ass from his elbow.
Also.
"Call me childish if you want, just like the Villagers do. They are wrong, and you are too.
I call it a committment to principle.
~
Meander"
You are not childish, if you are then I am too. These idiots have forgotten about the last election. We the people have not and will not forget. I just hope they are remembering who pays their salary and healthcare. I am adamant that I want the "Cheney Care Program". Nothing Less will do. I don't care if the loser team of repukes agrees or not!
Wyden has always had a reputation for being somewhat dim, even way back when he had hair.
How many Californians is DiFi kicking to the curb? Disgusting.
What Meander Said.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Amen!
I don't want to ever vote for Wyden again over this -- but I couldn't vote Republican.
Not gonna win by kissing Repuke ass.
But that's just my opinion.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 10:03 am | #
The record shows otherwise. Obama has had a positive track record in legislation based on his ability to (a) split the Republican supporters from their "leaders" and (b) shave off the crucial margin.
rootless-e, : You can say it all you want, but he would not have got the stimulus bill without those 3 republican defectors.
Facts are stubborn things.
He could have put forward the bill he wanted and got three Republicans.
~
Sen. Merkley committed to a public option, but 1 out of 2 isn't great.
The judge's chambers sure don't like to return phone calls.
Particularly in North Jersey.
It's usually fairly decent in Monmouth County, but things have really been moving at a snail's pace recently, I'm guessing less staff due to layoffs or furloughs. And Trenton, fuggedaboutit.
yeah that "stimulus" bill is working great rootless.
glad obama caved on lots of shit for that.
He lived in Sarah's house in December and January, got to see her "in action."
plantsman, mad google skillz
There are many comments I could make to that, but I will resist the temptation.
Don't want the trolls calling me "angry" or "bitter", you know.
Karin, I was down there once. It's very pretty. A friend is going to OG this weekend. I will tell her about the book sale.
And now I'm going.
TKK, If you're out there and want to come, call me on my mobile.
Wyden's "progressive flat tax" taxes the wealthy at 35 percent
What a twerp.
It's usually fairly decent in Monmouth County, but things have really been moving at a snail's pace recently, I'm guessing less staff due to layoffs or furloughs. And Trenton, fuggedaboutit.
Karin Hussein
I'm been told many are on vacation or just getting back from it.
He could have put forward the bill he wanted and got three Republicans.
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Meander | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 10:06 am | #
If we all clapped hard enough?
Maybe we just have to put on our "game face" and look serious?
His bill was expertly calibrated to lose few blue dogs and gain those few pukes. You seem to think he can pout the worthless senate into action. I don't see it.
Oregon's senator?
Blaming Connecticut is in jeopardy if this keeps up.
Somebody wake this guy up stat.
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Dim or not, until now Wyden has not been a dick, and generally voted as I would have wished.
TKK, If you're out there and want to come, call me on my mobile.
Okely Dokely
maybe wyden is holding out for political favors.
The judge's chambers sure don't like to return phone calls.
Particularly in North Jersey.
I'm fairly certain that the federal agency I've been (unsuccessfully) peppering with litigation questions has been reduced to an answering machine in an unlit office.
The "Blue Dog" Democrats would really be sane Republicans if the Republican Party hadn't been taken over by their batshit insane wing.
Stop expecting them to act like "progressive" Democrats. They are conservatives. Don't forget that.
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What is Di Fi's problem? Her state is going down the tubes and she's against a public option?
So they have teh intertubes in this Socialist Hellhole, Duncan?
I guess we have to follow the money and see what these Dems get in return for their vote for a Public Option?
yeah that "stimulus" bill is working great rootless.
glad obama caved on lots of shit for that.
euphronius failure | 07.10.09 - 10:07 am | #
It is working even though it was not enough. But Obama now has a cudgel to get votes and you can see senators backing up on public option - it's not because they suddenly realized it was a good thing to do.
di fi has health insurance. she is focussed on important stuff like keeeping wars going.
Of CA's Senators, Boxer is the scrappy liberal and DiFi is a Blue Dog.
Dem Senators: Public Option?
What's in it for me?
MasterD, damn yankee:
My daughter's take on them exactly.
"What is Di Fi's problem? Her state is going down the tubes and she's against a public option?
Unrepentant Fenian"
She and her husband have their fingers and toes stuck into everything. If it may cause them to lose $1.00, she's against it.
ah-em, in all respects.
Of course they have intertubes, they have SUPERTRAINS!
Has the Republican party gotten small enough to flush down the toilet yet?
Only Atrios is allowed to post the Wanker of the Day. It's a sacred institution.
It is working even though it was not enough. But Obama now has a cudgel to get votes and you can see senators backing up on public option - it's not because they suddenly realized it was a good thing to do.
rootless-e, appikouros | 07.10.09 - 10:11 am | #
maybe. i halfway agree with you in general .
i think maybe some of these guys are posturing in order to be "persuaded" - you know they earn some chips for down the line. Maybe Wyden has a pet project he wants passed or something.
the others are just dicks.
but i think it is hilarious in this USA you need 60 votes in blatantly undemocratic chamber (2 sens per state? wha?) to get anything done.
Could we review once again how much we've spent on the misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan then compare that to what it would take to provide health care to our citizens?
why is there an extra POSTED BY line?
Pope Ratzi looks evil over at HuffPo.
Roubini: "Forget about 'How do we get consumers to start spending again' until we stop losing half a million jobs a month".
res
And new jobs are great if they're within driving distance. Moving isn't an option for most people because it's too hard to sell the house.
Because Atrios wanted it, I'd imagine.
How many Californians is DiFi kicking to the curb? - bo
Well, to answer my own question: 7,700,000. 23% of the population
"Has the Republican party gotten small enough to flush down the toilet yet?
R. McGeddon "
My opinion doesn't count. Ask Grover, he doesn't like anything!
Jay C, i was research legos a bit last night, and it appears i came of toy age in the LEGO golden age. I was quite lucky. they were at the height of their creativity and right before the tie ins started.
Well, I better go too, got company arriving soon.
Could we review once again how much we've spent on the misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan then compare that to what it would take to provide health care to our citizens?
noblejoanie
AGGHHH!!!! FREEDOM HATING SOCIALIST!!!
I said Caption Contest, people. Now go over there and write my blog post for me!
Has the Republican party gotten small enough to flush down the toilet yet?
Mitch McConnell the Tidy Bowl Man.
because i think the LEGO tie ins, while they may boost sales, lower creativity
Pope Ratzi looks evil over at HuffPo.
plantsman, mad google skillz
He always looks evil.
He and Rummy BOTH look as though they need to be back in their coffins by sunset.
I was quite lucky. they were at the height of their creativity and right before the tie ins started.
euphronius failure
Yes. I had the pirates/space/robinhood legos before they went all Harry Potter and Star Wars on us.
i mustve missed the golden age of legos. sounds vaguely greek (the mist shrouded isle of legos, in the blue aegean)
With the tie-in Legos, too many specialized pieces. Doesn't have that cool, uniform look.
So - who is this 'John' person? And the fish - what's that about?
but i think it is hilarious in this USA you need 60 votes in blatantly undemocratic chamber (2 sens per state? wha?) to get anything done.
euphronius failure | 07.10.09 - 10:13 am | #
What I think is hilarious is all the "leftists" who swear by Chomsky and Zinn, but are angry that Obama cannot talk tough and change corporate/military/elite control into the Popular Front. It's as if underneath all the talk about elites and hegemony and "manufactured consent" and so on, they still want to believe in 3rd grade civics.
"It is working even though it was not enough."
it seems to me that the inrastructure stuff was the darling of the left, and that's the sort of stuff that takes a long time to trickle thru getting projects ok'd, bids, etc.
i would have preferred more spending going to the unskilled to get them working immediately.
And new jobs are great if they're within driving distance. Moving isn't an option for most people because it's too hard to sell the house.
pie
And then there are the "food deserts" even when people start working again.
I suppose we could just force everyone to move into Manhattan.....
Yes, the golden age of Legos, when men were men, women were women, and both had tiny, removable plastic hands.
rootless-e, : If we all clapped hard enough?
Maybe we just have to put on our "game face" and look serious?
You should know that I thrive on your contempt. It smells like victory.
~
rootless-e, : His bill was expertly calibrated to lose few blue dogs and gain those few pukes. You seem to think he can pout the worthless senate into action. I don't see it.
I think that what he wants to actually do is worth more than some faux bipartisanship.
Digby just said it - the Republicans will spend the next 60 years tearing down what he is building up.
He's not going to build anything that will stand that long with weak compromise.
~
Atrios has posted strange seafoods from Barcelona before.
"And new jobs are great if they're within driving distance. Moving isn't an option for most people because it's too hard to sell the house.
pie"
AMEN! I've worked all my life to have what little I've got. I'm not going to sell out for less than half of what it is worth. Also, jobs have to be at a paying rate that is comparable to the costs of insurance, phone, food, gas, etc. This shit of having to deal with ever increasing costs and NEVER increasing wages is done for.
rootless
you mean you are angry that some leftists are too idealistic.
What I'd like to see is for Obama to set priorities. I realize there are many balls in the air, but we need leadership to say, Here's what we need and how long we can afford to wait for it. Triage, if you will.
Can't keep letting the bought-and-paid-for in the Congress meddle with the things that need urgent fixing.
i mustve missed the golden age of legos. sounds vaguely greek (the mist shrouded isle of legos, in the blue aegean)
pretzel | 07.10.09 - 10:16 am | # [kill][hide co
1985-1992 approx.
rootless-e, : What I think is hilarious is all the "leftists" who swear by Chomsky and Zinn,
Never heard of 'em, Schmott Guy.
~
OT:
Barney Frank is not the hemp troll:
http://thephoenix.com/Boston/New...cking-up-speed/
you mean you are angry that some leftists are too idealistic.
euphronius failure | 07.10.09 - 10:17 am | #
I'm not angry at all and I don't think it's idealism to have two seriously contradictory ideas in your head at once.
Atrios lined-up some new keyholders for during this vacation because he's several time zones away and not in sync with North America, is my deduction.
meander
everywhere i go now people are talking about netbooks
netbooks netbooks netbooks!!
its teh next big thing.
I was quite lucky. they were at the height of their creativity and right before the tie ins started.
euphronius failure
Yes. I had the pirates/space/robinhood legos before they went all Harry Potter and Star Wars on us.
Jay C.
Sadly, I came of age in the Interregnum: the end of Lincoln Logs and Tinker Toys, and before Legos.
I had to make do with the Phantom Raider. (Still have mine.)
I suppose we could just force everyone to move into Manhattan.....
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist
I could never afford to live there.
I have a netbook. It is wunderbar.
"i think maybe some of these guys are posturing in order to be "persuaded" - you know they earn some chips for down the line. Maybe Wyden has a pet project he wants passed or something"
i don't think this is the case with wyden. ezra had a good interview with him a week or so ago, and wyden seemed like believe the bipartisan bullshit he's been spewing.
granted, he's been working on this for a long time, before dems had the presidency/house/60 seat senate, so to me he seems very invested in *his* plan because he's put in so much work towards it. ego, more than anything else.
Pope Ratzi looks evil over at HuffPo
Because he is.
Has the Republican party gotten small enough to flush down the toilet yet?
R. McGeddon
No. Still enough solid waste matter to clog all the pipes. Soon though, as in every way they're getting smaller and smaller
There are no homes to rent in Tuscany!
Pope Ratzi looks evil over at HuffPo
Because he is.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
On second thought, I shouldn't be upset with Wyden. The public option will be a joke by the time these Congressional whores get done with it. It will provide the cover for continuing the system of private insurance and private health care that we have now, with the addition of subsidized profits. Fabulous.
When single-payer was kept off the table, like impeachment, the Republic crumbled a little.
Our anti-democratic rulers get what they want from the democratic process often by simple keeping things out of it.
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RMJ--thanks for the link to the Breadline book. One of the leading causes of poor health here is poor diet due in no small measure to the food deserts you mentioned, especially in poor neighborhoods. This is also directly connected to the healthcare debate. Our health plan, for instance, subsidizes membership in a CSA (local agriculture coop).
Quality of life--France has it, many Americans don't.
Well if you're thinking of getting a place there don't bother. There's really nothing available.
Pope Ratzi looks evil over at HuffPo
Because he is.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
To have that evil crap drilled into you at such an impressionable age in the hitler youth - how do you ever get all that hate out of you?
Can't keep letting the bought-and-paid-for in the Congress meddle with the things that need urgent fixing.
noblejoanie | 07.10.09 - 10:18 am | #
How exactly do you propose to not let them do what they are paid to do?
I'm as frustrated by slow, halting progress as anyone else. For example, the US ICE operates a hellish kafkaesque prison system where human beings have no rights at all and no redress and there is no oversight. For me, there are a lot of other issues I'd be happy to see fall by the wayside to fix that. However, I realize that I'm not king.
euphronius : meander
everywhere i go now people are talking about netbooks
netbooks netbooks netbooks!!
its teh next big thing.
People keep confusing netbooks for notebooks. Netbooks are really just for light browsing and email access - maybe some document work during a lunch break or coffee break - NOT for your full-time work rig.
They SHOULD be cheap (I'm looking at YOU, Sony).
I love my HP desktop, but a netbook would be good to have for travel purposes.
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You put the balm on? Who told you to put the balm on? I didn't tell you to put the balm on. Why'd you put the balm on? You haven't even been to see the doctor. If your gonna put a balm on, let a doctor put a balm on.
I quite agree, die Hitler Jugend will out.
Quality of life--France has it, many Americans don't.
noblejoanie
Two scenes in "Sicko" really struck me
1. The French doctor making housecalls.
2. The ex pats talking about how great the french system was.
Last night I had to grab something off of my old lappy and had it running next to the Linux netbook. I laughed at its outsized and lavish proportions.
rootless--I'd like to see Obama go over Congress' collective heads. Media blitz the Congress. Town halls, staged events. Reward the friends, challenge the foes of the leg he wants passed and how he wants it passed.
He's got the bully pulpit---use it.
euph has gone balmy.
I don't know how much ram a Linux or Ubuntu machine needs, but Windoze seems to need a bunch.
rootless--I'd like to see Obama go over Congress' collective heads. Media blitz the Congress. Town halls, staged events. Reward the friends, challenge the foes of the leg he wants passed and how he wants it passed.
He's got the bully pulpit---use it.
noblejoanie | 07.10.09 - 10:25 am
exactly.
gone? How about been.
He's got the bully pulpit---use it.
noblejoanie | 07.10.09 - 10:25 am | #
He is working very hard to build public pressure on congress. OFA has been doing this for months. What do you think all those town halls and meetings are about?
If Obama can't get the Public Option passed and unemployment goes to 10% he's toast.
What do you think all those town halls and meetings are about?,
free coffee and donuts.
To have that evil crap drilled into you at such an impressionable age in the hitler youth - how do you ever get all that hate out of you?
wolverines!
Well, being the high muckety-muck of the patriarchal dictatorship that is the Catholic church sure doesn't help.
Or maybe the Hitler Youth was good training for his current position.
The Nazis didn't like being questioned or disagreed with either.
noblejoanie : rootless--I'd like to see Obama go over Congress' collective heads. Media blitz the Congress. Town halls, staged events. Reward the friends, challenge the foes of the leg he wants passed and how he wants it passed.
He's got the bully pulpit---use it.
Exactly what I want to see. If he wants a real health care plan, he could be, SHOULD BE running rallys in the the big Blue Dog and Thug states to put pressure on those Senators.
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rootless--Obama ran a brilliant campaign. Why can't he ramp up to that level on healthcare and climate?
The guy can inspire, he can rally the netroots. I don't see anything like the level of energy he campaigned with brought to his governance.
i wouldnt even object if obama staged press conferences against backgrounds of phrases like "real health care reform". hokey, but it apparently works, if the marketing gurus of the republican party know anything.
Look this is the key passage from the Agenda:
Boren shot back. "There's nothing you can do for me or to me that will influence my decision on this matter." he added. "I'm going to make it on the basis of what I think is right or wrong."
If you do not have a response better than "use the bully pulpit" for people like that, you lose.
Sheesh. Obama can't even go outta town to fulfill his worldly commitments with out the Congress Douche-ing out over everything
The guy can inspire, he can rally the netroots. I don't see anything like the level of energy he campaigned with brought to his governance.
noblejoanie | 07.10.09 - 10:28 am | #
What is he supposed to rally the netroots to do? To call and write congressmen? He's doing it - as are move-on and the rest. And there is intense pressure on congress from the public.
Boren shot back. "There's nothing you can do for me or to me that will influence my decision on this matter." he added. "I'm going to make it on the basis of what I think is right or wrong."
well thats what he said anyway. lets put it to the test.
If you do not have a response better than "use the bully pulpit" for people like that, you lose.
rootless-e
Maybe I am too idealistic, but a popular president shows up even in OK and draws the crowds he gathers everywhere, it might get a politician's attention.
OTH, he doesn't need to persuade them all so perhaps he ignores the Borens and goes to work on the Lincolns.
Boren shot back. "There's nothing you can do for me or to me that will influence my decision on this matter." he added. "I'm going to make it on the basis of what I think is right or wrong."
What a dick!
Boren shot back. "There's nothing you can do for me or to me that will influence my decision on this matter." he added. "I'm going to make it on the basis of what I think is right or wrong."
This is the point at which you say: "What YOU think is right or wrong? How about what a large majority of the American people want, you douchebag?"
plantsman : I don't know how much ram a Linux or Ubuntu machine needs, but Windoze seems to need a bunch.
It does, and that fact goes against running Windows as a netbook OS. Also non-Windows netbooks are $50- $100 cheaper every time.
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"Sheesh. Obama can't even go outta town to fulfill his worldly commitments with out the Congress Douche-ing out over everything
plantsman, mad google skillz"
true. Not to mention how those serious investigative reporters follow him to ask what he thinks of MJ! I mean, really. That was the best question he could ask at a Summit meeting?
"OTH, he doesn't need to persuade them all so perhaps he ignores the Borens and goes to work on the Lincolns.
noblejoanie | 07.10.09 - 10:30 am | # "
Lincoln is backing down. So something is working on her.
Germany: Gabriel, German minister for environment, is currently visiting Chernobyl
Gabriel in Tschernobyl-
Gabriel: Atomlaw should be tightened
Well, there was recently some nuclear accident in a Vattenfall reactor close to Hamburg. The control sticks had to be inserted into the reactor to control the ongoing nuclear reaction. 80% of Hamburgs traffic lights had a blackout.The mailfunction caused a traffic chaos. Well, Vattenfall is principally a Swedish state-run company and noone knows why they are so greedy. They shut Krummel for 2 years till two weeks ago to guarantee a restructuring of the NPP. Obviously the NPP doesnt work any better though.
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2009...nister-
for.html
This is the point at which you say: "What YOU think is right or wrong? How about what a large majority of the American people want, you douchebag?"
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 10:31 am | #
like Boren would care.
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein
My dear late father used to say that whenever a person's reaction is disproportionate to the stimulus, something else is at work. Keith Olbermann's "Worsting" of Ann Coulter on last night's Countdown [video] is a good illustration of the principle. Olbermann ostensibly awarded Ann his "Worst Person" for what was, after all, a rather mild swipe at Rachel Maddow, a tongue-in-cheek reference to her "raw sex appeal." So what had really gotten under Olby's skin? What caused him to refer to Ann as "putrid and evil"?
Because she is putrid and evil. Any other questions?
Damn you Yeller Bar, damn you to Hell!
This is the point at which you say: "What YOU think is right or wrong? How about what a large majority of the American people want, you douchebag?"
plantsman, mad google skillz
A large majority of Americans have, from time to time, supported some very stupid things, and some evil things.
If a representative thinks that a popular idea is unconstitutional or otherwise a horrendous policy...I can't fault him/her for not voting for it. This is part of why we have representative democracy and not plebiscites.
Meanwhile, who let these dogs in the House?
true. Not to mention how those serious investigative reporters follow him to ask what he thinks of MJ! I mean, really. That was the best question he could ask at a Summit meeting?
PeasantParty,MADEINUSA
I WOULD say that "MJ is dead and buried."
But he's not buried YET. I mean, WTF?
You know "bipartisanship" is Bullshit spelled sideways.
Germany: Social Dems: Steinbrueck cares for 25-year old - 35 year old, Scholz wants pension fund guarantee
NTV
After Scholz declared not even 6 months ago that payments into retirement funds wont be lifted and he had to admit 3 months later he needs to raise them by almost 20%, Scholz is again at it: He wants a pension payment guarantee for retirees. Who pays? The guys still working.
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2009...ueck-
cares.html
i dont know much about boren, but any politician that thinks national healthcare is a bad idea is a lot more likely to be "bought" than principled, imo.
You have a point, Nim; but Reps and Senators also have a reciprocal obligation to consider what their constituents want, not merely their financial donors.
My dear late father used to say that whenever a person's reaction is disproportionate to the stimulus, something else is at work. Keith Olbermann's "Worsting" of Ann Coulter on last night's Countdown [video] is a good illustration of the principle. Olbermann ostensibly awarded Ann his "Worst Person" for what was, after all, a rather mild swipe at Rachel Maddow, a tongue-in-cheek reference to her "raw sex appeal." So what had really gotten under Olby's skin? What caused him to refer to Ann as "putrid and evil"?
Ann Coulter is an evil bitch.
That's enough reason for me.
How many, many ways can we count that this is a truly terrible thing?
UW-Madison: New Google deal boosts access to books
Jul 10th, 2009 | MADISON, Wis. -- The University of Wisconsin-Madison says a new agreement with Google will expand public access to its library collection. The university says readers across the country will be able to preview its books for free and buy access to the full texts online. In addition, universities, colleges and public libraries will be able to offer access to their students through subscriptions.
Every public and university library will also receive one license to
provide free online viewing of millions of books at designated
computers.
The new agreement revises a deal struck between UW-Madison and
Google in 2006. So far, more than 200,000 works have been digitized.
Heads on pikes, grrrrrrrrr. 
why is that bad.
.If a representative thinks that a popular idea is unconstitutional or otherwise a horrendous policy...I can't fault him/her for not voting for it. This is part of why we have representative democracy and not plebiscites.
Nim, ham hock of liberty
Unless you are in California.
"But he's not buried YET. I mean, WTF?
Terry C - Castrating B*tch*"
ZACKLY! How embarrassing for us Americans to have C. Todd following the Pres to a significant Summit meeting and ask such stupidity. He needs to have his shorts rattled.
How many, many ways can we count that this is a truly terrible thing?
Help me with this. I see this as a good thing.
~
reps in a republic balance many competing interests. constituents being one of them.
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein
My dear late father used to say that whenever a person's reaction is disproportionate to the stimulus, something else is at work. Keith Olbermann's "Worsting" of Ann Coulter on last night's Countdown [video] is a good illustration of the principle. Olbermann ostensibly awarded Ann his "Worst Person" for what was, after all, a rather mild swipe at Rachel Maddow, a tongue-in-cheek reference to her "raw sex appeal." So what had really gotten under Olby's skin? What caused him to refer to Ann as "putrid and evil"?
Gee Mr. Finkelstein, what do YOU think caused him to do so?
I'm all ears. I can use a good laugh...
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the local library is now offering people the chance to check out new fiction for only 5 bucks.
How embarrassing for us Americans to have C. Todd following the Pres to a significant Summit meeting and ask such stupidity. He needs to have his shorts rattled.
PeasantParty,MADEINUSA
Chuck Todd is an idiot.
He's in SO far over his head it's not even funny.
I remember what an embarrassment he was to watch on Election Night 2008.
Ann was clearly demonstrating homophobia toward Rachel, who never comes on to anyone on camera that I've ever seen. It was vulgar and impolite.
I remember what an embarrassment he was to watch on Election Night 2008.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 10:38 a
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"and bad news for the Obama camp: this is beginning to look a lot like 2004 or even 2000!"
So what had really gotten under Olby's skin? What caused him to refer to Ann as "putrid and evil"?
Because Coulter is a homophobic no-class skank.
Good morning!
Chuck Todd is an idiot.
He's in SO far over his head it's not even funny.
I remember what an embarrassment he was to watch on Election Night 2008.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch*
Chuck Todd is a numbers cruncher.
His job was to take polling data and make it intelligible to the audience. Period.
How that translated into qualifications for being a full-time White House correspondent, no one has ever explained.
"and bad news for the Obama camp: this is beginning to look a lot like 2004 or even 2000!"
euphronius failure
BEST moment of Election Night 2008?
What Brit Hume broke the news to KKKarl Rove that "Ohio has just gone to Barak Obama."
Priceless!
Savannah Guthrie, who was a child star, is a vastly better reporter than Chunk Toad.
You have a point, Nim; but Reps and Senators also have a reciprocal obligation to consider what their constituents want, not merely their financial donors.
plantsman, mad google skill
Absolutely. There is no simple answer to the question of how you reconcile a conflict between your beliefs and your constituents'.
Now, if Boren honestly believes that the bill is a very bad idea, and he believes that not just because Aetna is stuffing wads of cash into his pockets - well...I think he's being a chunderheaded turd, but I can't fault him for standing on principle. Just for the principle being, you know...wrong.
How that translated into qualifications for being a full-time White House correspondent, no one has ever explained.
Gummo
A matter of whose ass he kissed?
From the CIA article below:
"This characterization of something that began in 2001 and continued uninterrupted for eight years is just wrong. Honest men would question that characterization. It was more off and on," said a former top Bush administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the classified nature of the issue.
Problem is, we've got (mostly) honest women asking the questions, and hopefully they aren't as prone to the 'hey I know something you don't know' syndrome that allows secret programs to metastasize.
BEST moment of Election Night 2008?
What Brit Hume broke the news to KKKarl Rove that "Ohio has just gone to Barak Obama."
I swear, Brit was about to cry...and Karl looked like he had just lost bowel control...
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the local library is now offering people the chance to check out new fiction for only 5 bucks.
pretzel
????
Ann was clearly demonstrating homophobia toward Rachel, who never comes on to anyone on camera that I've ever seen. It was vulgar and impolite.
plantsman, mad google skillz
Coulter has NO class whatsoever.
None.
"How that translated into qualifications for being a full-time White House correspondent, no one has ever explained.
Gummo "
Ha! That splains some things, but what could explain his G-8 Summit questions?
Please, please get him off the air if he can only ask questions that regard celebrity. Serious thought demands it.
Terry C : BEST moment of Election Night 2008?
What Brit Hume broke the news to KKKarl Rove that "Ohio has just gone to Barak Obama."
Priceless!
I made a particular point of watching FAUXNews at that moment, just to watch the darkness claim them.
I swear they turned down the lights in the studio.
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The university says readers across the country will be able to preview
its books for free and buy access to the full texts online. In
addition, universities, colleges and public libraries will be able to
offer access to their students through subscriptions.
Every public and university library will also receive one license to
provide free online viewing of millions of books at designated
computers.
This is a public institution. It's library and its books were publicly available. Now - they are restricted. Through public interlibrary loan networks, their books were lent on an unrestricted basis, most often only at the price of postage or less. Now - not so much. Effectively, Google has just claimed control and done so by means of what turns out to be a remarkably poorly executed technology.
The next step will be for the Library of Congress to be privatised.
I swear, Brit was about to cry...and Karl looked like he had just lost bowel control...
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MasterD, damn yankee
I know. What a great moment.
"Eat shit, Rove!"
Pope Ratzi looks evil over at HuffPo
Because he is.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
how i wish i had not looked.
He wasnt even a good number cruncher.
thats the funny part. he just read the top line of poll news releases.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian:
You're right.
It sucks!
GWPDA are you saying that ILL will be shut down?
Another "What digby said, goes for me" post:
Someday, in my dreams, Democrats will run as progressives in the same way that Republicans proudly ran as conservatives both when they were ascendant and holding the reins of power over the past 30 years. They won't apologize for their ideas or pretend that the most important thing in the word is for Republicans to approve of what they are doing. They will recognize that while compromise is a necessary element of politics, progress and systemic change requires a fight which usually results in the losing side being unhappy. That day is not here yet.
Where's your gravatar, Kidnap?
.I swear, Brit was about to cry...and Karl looked like he had just lost bowel control...
It must have come as quite a shock to him to realize that the Scary Ni*CLANG* card was rally no longer in his deck.
????
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | 07.10.09 - 10:42 am | #
they have displays of new books next to the checkout counters, which you can check out for 5 bucks. or, you can wait a few weeks or months for them to put the books into general circulation, as i understand it. theyre having financial problems, cant buy many new books, so this is one way theyre raising money.
Problem is, we've got (mostly) honest women asking the questions, and hopefully they aren't as prone to the 'hey I know something you don't know' syndrome that allows secret programs to metastasize.
ignoreland
Are you saying the fact that women love to gossip, and can't keep a secret may work to our advantage? well, then, viva la difference, goddam!
"the local library is now offering people the chance to check out new fiction for only 5 bucks.
pretzel"
Our Library often has book fair sales too. $5.00 is not bad when you consider they are more than that at the newstand and you gotta pay tax, which at the Library you don't.
NPR now intervewing the All Important Eric Cantor on the Obama stimulus plan.
Someday, in my dreams, Democrats will run as progressives in the same way that Republicans proudly ran as conservatives both when they were ascendant and holding the reins of power over the past 30 years. They won't apologize for their ideas or pretend that the most important thing in the word is for Republicans to approve of what they are doing. They will recognize that while compromise is a necessary element of politics, progress and systemic change requires a fight which usually results in the losing side being unhappy. That day is not here yet.
they tried that. got rocked.
maybe someday but not in the life memory of the current leadership.
sorry. i was using a different email addy, obviously. thanks for noticing.
remember when paperback fiction didnt cost $17
ah.
and the last time i tried to get a book on interlibrary loan, it was going to cost me 30 bucks; i mean i couldve found a used copy online for less.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian | 07.10.09 - 10:43 am | #
I thought that univeristy libraries were already restricted to the academic community.
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I thought that univeristy libraries were already restricted to the academic community.
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Meander | Homepage | 07.10.09 - 10:47 am | # [kill][hide comment]
not federal depositories iirc.
This is a public institution. It's library and its books were publicly available. Now - they are restricted. Through public interlibrary loan networks, their books were lent on an unrestricted basis, most often only at the price of postage or less. Now - not so much. Effectively, Google has just claimed control and done so by means of what turns out to be a remarkably poorly executed technology.
Sounds like Google is charging for access to their digitized archives. One can still go to the library and access the books the old-fashioned way for free, right?
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Always on the lookout for namestealers.
NPR now intervewing the All Important Eric Cantor on the Obama stimulus plan.
slartibartfast
Eric Cantor = Creepy Little Bastard
GWPDA are you saying that ILL will be shut down?
That would be the logical next step for libraries that are already hurting for money. ILL service is an expense that could be foregone, the same way that the purchase of journals has been foregone since the creation of JSTOR and its sealed access.
What I also see down this road is a kind of re-implementation of the chained book library - one station, at one location to 'view' digitised (very badly digitised) books. Add to that Google apparently re-assuming a copyright equivalent level of control over the books and you have just seen the functional elimination of publicly accessible libraries.
As much as I hate to admit it, Noonan's column about Governor Point Guard was right on the money.
Nooners actually made sense for a change.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch*
Kathleen Parker whose prose I loathe also wasn't that terrible on The Palin, and even (I cannot believe I am about to type this) Jonah (Doughy Pantsload) Goldberg wasn't entirely wrong this morning talking about the WaPo "salon" fiasco.
What the hell is going on? Do these guys have their wet fingers in the winds or something?
Eric Cantor = Creepy Little Bastard
Terry C - Castrating B*tch*
i.e., typical Republican.
i appreciate it, plantsman.
they tried that. got rocked.
maybe someday but not in the life memory of the current leadership.
euphronius failure
I'll take "The Late '60's" for $500, Alex.
That day is not here yet.
......they tried that. got rocked.
As long as they can play to people's fear, ignorance, and mean-spiritedness, the field will always be tilted in their favor. "That day" will require the creation of new social norms in the electorate, a process that the MSM currently stands sqarely athwart of.
What the hell is going on? Do these guys have their wet fingers in the winds or something?
David Derbes, optimistic
Either that or they finally extricated their craniums from their anal cavities.
we got a lot done in the 60s.
"That day" will require the creation of new social norms in the electorate, a process that the MSM currently stands sqarely athwart of.
slartibartfast
Not to mention human nature, history, and the basic principles of sociology.
It's quite a conspiracy.
we got a lot done in the 60s.
pretzel
Sure did! I for one graduated elementary school. Then I got bar mitzvah'd.
It was exhausting.
Progressive Caucus Axes Executive Director
July 9, 2009, 7:29 p.m.
By Tory Newmyer
Roll Call Staff
Updated: 8:01 p.m.
The Congressional Progressive Caucus has fired Bill Goold, its executive director, leaving the House Democrats’ liberal wing without a staff-level chief as they head into a critical legislative fight on health care.
Goold’s termination was effective immediately. The reasons behind the dismissal are not yet clear. “He’s no longer with the caucus,” CPC spokesman Carl Rauscher said. “It’s a personnel matter and we can’t really discuss personnel matters.” He said the search to replace him is already under way.
http://www.rollcall.com/news/
366...rinter_friendly
Probably a casualty of the health war.
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im talking about the 80s.
most of the leadership of the dems remembers the getting fucked in that time.
kennedy, johnson helped change the social norms. even eisenhower, after much prodding, sending the national guard into little rock.
I haven't read all the comments, but Ron Wyden is my senator. I know a bit about his health plan. And Obama rejected Wyden's plan for universal coverage as "too radical."
So Wyden is not clueless. He's not a Blue Dog. I don't know what the deal is with this interview, but I'm suspecting a miscommunication of some sort.
I do not know what the "secret program" Our Host referred to a few threads ago that Panetta is now talking about as having been concealed for eight years, and which one Republican characterized as "off and on", but I'll make a guess:
Assassinations.
esp after 2008 good results, i dont see the dems running an more to the left anytime soon.
the DLC won. in a way. I know Obama isnt in the DLC.
kennedy, johnson helped change the social norms. even eisenhower, after much prodding, sending the national guard into little rock.
pretzel
IIRC, these men were changed by public pressure...
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we got a lot done in the 60s.
pretzel
"But...but...THAT'S when the country fell apart. Those rebellious baby boomers! There was nothing wrong with the 1950s when women, gays and blacks knew their place. Why did those hippies have to come along and upset the status quo?"
/Cal Thomas, who once said that the only shows on TV worth watching were "Touched By An Angel" and "Seventh Heaven."
Fuck Google, the bastards.
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Damned Yeller Bar.
Either that or they finally extricated their craniums from their anal cavities.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch*
Probably not that difficult, given the relatively small contents.
Assassinations.
David Derbes, optimistic | 07.10.09 - 10:52 am | #
yeah arent those blatanly illegal?
huh.
Cheney's assassination ring has been reported on though, has it now?
civil rights act, shutting down vietnam. i remember a lot of advice to the effect "you have to wait for the time to be right" "america just isn't ready for integration".
Assassinations.
David Derbes, optimistic
You can't make an omelette without terminating a few eggs with extreme prejudice.
im talking about the 80s.
most of the leadership of the dems remembers the getting fucked in that time.
euphronius failure
Because Washington is a city where pols gather from all the US,
they spend more time eating weenies with each other than their constituents. I can tell you, when I worked in sem-local politics,
we didn't believe in bipartisanship. We played to win and crush
the other side. If we wanted weenies we ate then with our own kind.
Assassinations.
Yeah...Cheney's goon squads that Sy Hersh referenced a few months back.
Stupid tags.
im talking about the 80s.
most of the leadership of the dems remembers the getting fucked in that time.
euphronius failure
Chicago '68. McGovern, the "anti-war" candidate, in '72. Biggest landslide loss in U.S. history. I think he took one state, not his home state (Mass., IIRC).
You don't forget that soon, and Harry Reid ain't no Gen X-er.
Sounds like Google is charging for access to their digitized archives.
One can still go to the library and access the books the old-fashioned
way for free, right?
The plan is for those 'digitised archives', truly the possession of Google, to replace access to the books themselves, by any means. The only avenue of access will be to pay Google for the privilege.
Also, if your ILL service is constantly charging such high fees, they are doing so because they're trying to make money on the transaction to support other library functions. There are ten federally funded ILL services in the country, distributed pretty evenly. The services are free.
IIRC, these men were changed by public pressure...
yeah, which is why we need to keep pressuring obama.
yeah RMJ i was thinking about congressional races.
but you are right on the presidential context.
we got a lot done in the 60s.
pretzel
We had JFK and LBJ to push for legislation and HHH, Mike Mansfield, and Everett Dirksen in the Senate.
doesnt google possess those digitized images based on the license from the copyright holder?
I think he took one state, not his home state (Mass., IIRC).
You don't forget that soon, and Harry Reid ain't no Gen X-er.
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist
Yep. Also the District of Columbia.
Fun Fact: the Number 2 in the McGovern campaign in Massachusetts was none other than Edward Witten, an undergraduate at Brandeis at the time.
another legal thread?
woo
Not forgetting the "pressure" on LBJ to enact civil rights legislation, as he predicted, gave the South to the GOP for the foreseeable future.
Which worked pretty well for 'em up until last year.
Every cause has unwanted effects.
We had JFK and LBJ to push for legislation
yes, and i dont remember them being overly concerned with bipartisanship.
Everett Dirksen in the Senate.
Ah, yes - a reasonable Republican.
A man who cared more for his country than party loyalty.
Because Washington is a city where pols gather from all the US,
they spend more time eating weenies with each other than their constituents.
But that would imply that it goes both ways, and it doesn't. I think it's just that the Republicans' whole power structure is based on their reliable ability, abetted immensely by the oligarch-controlled MSM, to tap into ignorant people's fears and prejudices. Whenever the Dems try to Do The Right Thing, they have no difficulty cramming whatever it is into one of those ready-made hate/fear frames. It's a very systemic pathology, and not one that can be easily or quickly cured.
rmj, what im sayin, more specifically, or what i was thisnking, was the creation of the DLC in 1985 was the the recognizable start of a trend in dems since mcgovern to move to the "center" and right now, all the dems are beholden if not to the DLC but to its broad ideas.
LBJ was a sadistic bully who treated people like dirt.
But when he twisted arms, they stayed twisted.
Speaker Pelosi forbade Sheila Jackson Lee's resolution naming Michael Jackson a "world humanitarian" from being brought to the floor, but Rep. Peter King has already made it known that he did not consider Jackson's legal acquittal valid, calling him a "pervert and child molester." Perhaps Pelosi did not wish to hand the Republicans a perfect opportunity to moralize and vent their racism?
Sen. Frank Church circa 1976 looked into assassinations, and condemned 'em for all time.
There are very serious penalties for this, and I hope Cheney & Co., if they are guilty of 'em, spend the rest of their lives making little pebbles out of big boulders with a 16 lb sledgehammer.
yes, and i dont remember them being overly concerned with bipartisanship.
pretzel
It helped that Minority leader Everett Dirksen wasn't an insane Right Wing wacko. The Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act would not have passed without his help getting Republican votes.
Not forgetting the "pressure" on LBJ to enact civil rights legislation, as he predicted, gave the South to the GOP for the foreseeable future.
it was a factor, and it was gonna happen whether they waited another 50 years to pass civil rights or not. today, health care reform is a lot more popular with the public than civil rights were back then.
assassinations are a federal felony.
"Exactly what I want to see. If he wants a real health care plan, he could be, SHOULD BE running rallys in the the big Blue Dog and Thug states to put pressure on those Senators."
he's constantly asking people to call their congresscritters, constantly asking people to host house parties for brainstorm action on health care, constantly asking people to knock on doors for health care.
i wonder how many people just want to bitch and do nothing.
and i dont think lbj wouldve put quotes around pressure. he felt it. he declined to run again.
Speaker Pelosi forbade Sheila Jackson Lee's resolution naming Michael Jackson a "world humanitarian" from being brought to the floor
Not wishing to badmouth the dead, but doesn't the House have more important things to worry about?
I mean, c'mon!
LBJ was killed by the pressure. he died shortly after leaving office. what, 2 years?
LBJ was a sadistic bully who treated people like dirt.
But when he twisted arms, they stayed twisted.
Gummo
The NYT will sell you a triptych of three pictures of LBJ giving some hapless senator the "Johnson Treatment", framed, for circa 300 simoleons.
The other guy is nearly bent backward by the towering, overpowering Johnson.
theyre having financial problems, cant buy many new books, so this is one way theyre raising money.
pretzel
Sad to see it come to that. Maybe a new checkbox on our 1040s could direct a dollar of our taxes to a National Public Liberry Fund...
Peter King is an embarrassment to New York and to the country.
Most of the ugly shit that spews from his mouth never makes it to the national media.
That's true, I guess we were kind of like Republicans - we didn't care what the other side thought.
4 years
Yes, they do -- and Republicans are already bad-mouthing Democrats enough without giving them ammunition.
LBJ was killed by the pressure. he died shortly after leaving office. what, 2 years?
He had had a heart attack and other heart trouble before becoming Preznit, IIRC.
im not idealizing lbj. but this bipartisan crap, imo, doesnt work in the present context.
LBJ was a sadistic bully who treated people like dirt.
But when he twisted arms, they stayed twisted.
Such were the successful men of the time.
Like my old man.
LBJ was killed by the pressure. he died shortly after leaving office. what, 2 years?
euphronius failure
January 22, 1973.
Massive heart attack.
doesnt google possess those digitized images based on the license from the copyright holder?
Ah, that's a whole other issue just now. 'Orphan books' - those whose copyright holder 'cannot be located' - or which are ex-copyright - libraries greedy for the Google money have allowed such books to be handed over to Google which, now acting as copyright holder redux, is going to charge for access. It's a pretty picture. It's entirely in line with the RIAA and all that ilk.
One of the major reasons behind the establishment of GWPDA was to recapture books and material that had disappeared from public access because of age, library 'weeding' or simple loss - and make them publicly available again, as they once had been. This is not Google's objective.
LBJ was killed by the pressure. he died shortly after leaving office. what, 2 years?
Around 4.
Peter King is an embarrassment to New York and to the country.
Most of the ugly shit that spews from his mouth never makes it to the national media.
(fellow resident of MN w/ Michele Bachmann)
Abe FOrtas
.January 22, 1973.
Massive heart attack.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch*
I guess watching Nixon get re-elected wass too much for him.
Coke to TC.
remember when paperback fiction didnt cost $17
ah.
euphronius failure
Ace Doubles, 35¢...
Sad to see it come to that. Maybe a new checkbox on our 1040s could direct a dollar of our taxes to a National Public Liberry Fund...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person
Best damned idea I've heard this week.
Mene, mene, tekel upharsin please write your congress folk!
LBJ was a sadistic bully who treated people like dirt.
So is Bush.
But's a whole other story.
rmj, what im sayin, more specifically, or what i was thisnking, was the creation of the DLC in 1985 was the the recognizable start of a trend in dems since mcgovern to move to the "center" and right now, all the dems are beholden if not to the DLC but to its broad ideas.
euphronius failure
Which I despise, especially since "center" now means "To the right of Attila the Hun."
OTOH, I'm realistic. I wanted McGovern to win in '72. But a President who pledges to create a Dept. of Peace (for example) hasn't a snowball's chance in hell. And I try to be careful what I wish for.
I might get it. OTOH again, I have no problem with Obama's "bipartisanship," because he understands this is not a one-party State (we've had that in Texas; much good did it ever do us) and he doesn't want to simply govern as the "Anti-Bush" (who was quite partisan, while disguising it as non-partisan).
Considering the last 8 years, I like Obama's approach. And, so far, it seems to be pretty effective.
Crap!
But THAT'S a whole other story.
Palin: Not Down and Not Out
Human Events ^ | 9-10-09 | Gary Bauer
Like a few other intrepid souls, I have received a lot of grief for my defense of Sarah Palin’s decision to resign the governorship of Alaska. But after a week of consideration, I’d like to amend my position. Not only does Sarah Palin’s resignation not preclude her from running for president in 2012. I would argue that she is now strongest candidate Republicans could nominate. That is not to say Palin wouldn’t have her work cut out for her to prepare for a run. Nor do I presume to know whether Palin even wants to run for office again.
No matter how much you praise Sarah, you'll never get into her pants, Bauer. You should face up to that fact.
Sounds like Google is morphing from Barney into Buckzilla...
Somehow LBJ pissed off a young Hillary Clinton, I'm sure of it.
Considering the last 8 years, I like Obama's approach. And, so far, it seems to be pretty effective.
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist
The real tests are still ahead, but for the most part I'm still with him. Francis Collins is a bit of a burr in my hide, though.
Mr. "Can't flip a Bisquik pancake without falling off a stage" waxes moronically spooge-ful about Caribou Barbie/
Not only does Sarah Palin’s resignation not preclude her from running for president in 2012. I would argue that she is now strongest candidate Republicans could nominate.
God does not love us that much...
remember when paperback fiction didnt cost $17
ah.
euphronius failure
Ace Doubles, 35¢...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person
Early 70s...I used to get paid on Friday and stop off on the way home from work at the now no-longer-there Gimbels Department store and hit their book department.
I'm old I remember when a paperbook could be had for $1.25 or $1.50.
A paperBACK book
Silk Worms spinning ethics
i have trouble with bipartisanship if it means giving up core progressive principles in order to possibly obtain a few republican votes so a bill can look bipartisan.
Used bookstores, people. Amazon used books.
Not only does Sarah Palin’s resignation not preclude her from running for president in 2012. I would argue that she is now strongest candidate Republicans could nominate.
That's an awesome testament to the state of the GOP. But, she ain't running, me thinks.
Damn, Palin is like catnip for stoopid wingers.
Not only does Sarah Palin’s resignation not preclude her from running for president in 2012
What the fuck are YOU huffing, Bauer?
for president in 2012. I would argue that she is now strongest candidate Republicans could nominate.
God does not love us that much...
Not oft that Gary Bauer and I pray for the same thing.
And there are SHEEEEEEEEEEETS
Used bookstores, people. Amazon used books.
plantsman, mad google skillz
Whenever I get a gift card from Amazon, I buy the used books.
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETS
Sarah's new scent: Oblivion .
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I always regret doing this, but:
For cheap scholarly (and not so scholarly) books, it's very hard to beat abebooks.
They've been bought by Amazon, but you can still deal with them directly.
I've done quite a lot of business with them for really obscure books.
Mene, mene, tekel upharsin please write your congress folk!
David Derbes, optimistic
Trouble is, that kind of thing could get out of hand very easily. The 1040 would be 8 pages long within a decade...
Derbes - www.half.com
A consortium of dining room table booksellers.
Latest news is that blue dogs are saying no to public option. Will anyone oppose them next election?
Remind me. How many republican congress critters have given up their lifetime government single payer health plan??
(crickets chirping)
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