I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Local McDonalds has a help wanted sign.
First, and jobless
Beaten by a fish.
Revolt!
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I thought this thread was going to be about Yankees pitcher Joba Chamberlain.
I must have misread the title.
No, but it did nice things for the S&P for some reason.
Dead threaded twice in ten minutes!
I yield!
When you have a C- average president you have to take what you can get and you'll like it, dammit.
It's true that people feared it would be disastrous, and it wasn't, but it still wasn't a good report.
It's the same reason the allegedly reduced number of deaths in Iraq is good news. Because the Republicans and the MSM say so!
I was under that it took 150,000 new jobs per month not to lose ground. Of course, they revised away last month's mess.
(the impression) heh.
I wonder what's gonna happen when the GWOT job bubble pops.
So I'm writing my rant for Florida Progressive Radio. I have to do it in 25 minutes. Listen to see if I can finish it in time! 
Civic literacy report
http://www.americancivicliteracy...urces/
quiz.aspx
Bonds always trick me.
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isn't Florida Progressive Radio an oxymoron?
As a friend of mine put it, that whole trickle down thing has been a veritable golden shower to me...
Remember when the Dems went on Donahue? Clinton had all his charts; teaching like a professor.
We need that. List all of the people who have the courage of their convictions.
(the dems who served, the people who were against the war and stood up for their convictions)
Then move on to a tutorial on media misrepresentation.
Maybe Oprah would allow this, if Obama signed off on it. She does reach many women voters. Any other ideas?
Waldman should be on TV more. He has control at all times. Impressive.
A, I know you're an economist, but we could talk about Waldman a little longer, heh?
If I want to keep my job, I need to quit coming here.
hey, if the out of work 'morans' think the job market is better, you win
propaganda never says anything about truth, it's about message....and dumbfucks
Oh CHRIST ON A CRACKER!
Joke Line:
I don't always agree with Ralph Peters, but his integrity and military expertise are unimpeachable...
Craptacular!
Watch Olbermann. He had Bill Clinton first last week.
If I want to keep my job, I need to quit coming here.
ignoreland
You'n'me both.
isn't Florida Progressive Radio an oxymoron?
atablarasa
Heh, indeed.
Well, we're trying to change that.
I thought it was weird that CNN Money was saying the market went up because the numbers were so good, but I assumed I don't understand how economics works (always a safe bet).
camelot... who's Waldman?
The markets react like ill-mannered children to all stimuli.
Listen to see if I can finish it in time!
Sinfonian, on the air 10:50EDT | Homepage | 10.06.07 - 10:30 am | #
Okay!
but I assumed I don't understand how economics works (always a safe bet).
V for Virginia
I don't think economics has much to do with the performance of the financial markets. I've been watching recently, and the two things seem quite detached.
Camelot,
I don't think that will work any more. I don't have the answers, but reading this makes me wonder if we'll ever get back peoples' interest in facts.
Wait a minute manufacturing jobs are up........ didn't they say resturant employment is up and isn't that where they build those wonderful take out meals?
BTW, gotta point out the obvious - look at the WWII pictures of the Nazis and Fascists in their suits. Every one of them has a lapel pin proudly displaying the fasios or swastika. If you didn't have one your patriotism would be questioned.
i know for a fact that the 'market' will continue to do well: most industry, etc. has been moved out of the US, so americans don't matter much to the market...brilliant, isn't it?
fucking 'service' economy.
fucking stupidist idea ever.
But mogwai, what about Larry "Chewing-on-my-Kudlow's" Investor Class?
I thought it was weird that CNN Money was saying the market went up because the numbers were so good, but I assumed I don't understand how economics works (always a safe bet).
V for Virginia
Financial markets have a large expectations component in them.
Analysts would say that they "priced into the market" an expectation that the jobs report would be more negative.
When the report was better than expected, that news is reflected in stock prices.
fucking stupidist idea ever.
One irony is that the low dollar is said to be "good for American exports." What *do* we export anymore, aside from military hardware?
wow--bait and switch.
I know Limbaugh is a fool. I tune in during drive time to hear about 3 minutes and you can get his whole shtick for the day. listineing helps me know what the wingnut TPs for the day are.
animal mind full of excuses. defines the word strutting while sitting down.
Yesterday he actually DEBATED Elizabeth Edwards; though what he really did was debate a tape Eliz talking about him so it appeared she was blineded byhis brilliance.
That was one of the funniest things he has done in 10 years.
I cant listen for more than 3 minutes at a time or my head explodes.
Boeing Jets, that's about it. GE Wind Turbines.
Heh.
Kindly encouraged by Plantsman, I composed a response to something I read in the previous thread and posted it in the current one. Of course, by the time I had finished composing it, there was yet another new thread, so here it is, once again:
The pendulum always swings, as long as the underlying institutions aren't destroyed. One problem I think we have on the left at this point is we lack a coherant bold philosphy to move the country forward. We are still playing catchup. We are winning elections and then standing around naval gazing. Say what you will about the tenets of neoconservatism - at least it's an ethos.
I disagree. I think we have plenty of bold philosophies. The problem is that most of them have been turned into unutterable perversions of what is right and good by a long-standing, insidious process of brainwashing in which various institutions in this country have been engaging for decades. For example -- socialized medicine. All our opponents have to do is say those words and it's as if they showed you a big black tarantula. Even "liberal", a word that at one time referred to to an amalgam of all high and noble things, has been turned into an epithet of scorn. It is because of this process that there is no guarantee that the pendulum will swing back the other way. The only reason it has now is that the right has so egregiously overplayed its hand now that people are outraged and scared. That swing could be short-lived if we don't get busy now, as in five years ago, undermining the validity of all the falsehoods that have been turned into tacitly assumed truths buy the winger media/church axis. Our weapons are not blistering polemics of our own, but rather better schools, better outreach to the young in general, and early, subtle subversions of winger thought patterns with stuff like Sesame Street. These things -- these philosophical and social infrastructures -- are the rug on which we stand. If we don't do the long, arduous work of building them, that rug will be pulled out from under us again in a just couple of years.
"Let's put these data points into some context average monthly job creation:
- In 2006 was 226,000 new jobs created per month
- In 2007, that number fell to 122,000;
- In Q3 2007, that number fell to 74,000."
I think this is the very same reasoning that allows shrub to report deaths in Iraq have gone down.
low dollar good for exports but in the best tourist climate in decades tourism to the US is hurting because people despise what we are doing so much they dont want to come here.
I read that study somewhere last week.
thanks georgie.
but then you dont go anywhere but dallas and kbport, anyway.
having you in the White House IS torture.
What *do* we export anymore, aside from military hardware?
Harley Davidson motorcycles to offshore biker wannabeees, or as props for a bar.
Wow. Saw this seriously creepy ad for "Supreme Master Television" on cable. Too Fascistic for my taste.
fucking 'service' economy.
fucking stupidist idea ever.
pigboy
Ephemeralization is inevitable. Constantly increasing US standard of living - not so much.
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What *do* we export anymore, aside from military hardware?
Halfdan
Democracy?
This much I know: Norton 360 teh sucks.
One irony is that the low dollar is said to be "good for American exports." What *do* we export anymore, aside from military hardware?
Halfdan
Democracy!
Dymbya - the Master of falling expectations.
Don't like how things are going? Tell it to the Blackwater Guards. They know to deal with complaints.
having a low dollar is good for exports but in the best tourist climate in decades tourism to the US is hurting because people despise what we are doing so much they dont want to come here.
I read that study somewhere last week.
thanks georgie.
but then you dont go anywhere but dallas and kbport, anyway.
having you in the White House IS torture.
DAMN YOU, GIMLET, AND YOUR FAST FINGERS!
Of course it's good news: Every day and in every way, the labor market gets more "flexible."
One glorious day we'll have all the jobs we want when people are desperate enough to work 18-hour days for a couple of dollars, and then we'll party like it's 1899!
Windows makes Norton necessary. Blame Bill.
"Time for a new paradigm about national security."
One of the concepts being promoted around the time of Ronald Raygun, was agile and flexible manufacturing. The idea was if the economy was strong enough, and the country was making a changing spectrum of high tech complex goods, then if war came we could just shift the manufacturing direction instantly and overwhelm the opponent before the small stores of pre-made military goods could be consumed.
Doug | 10.06.07 - 1:26 am |
Now? I don't think we are in good enough shape for this.
camelot... who's Waldman?
Is this snark?
Go to Media Matters and look for his appearances. Play them. Also C-span.
I am afraid I may be turning into a groupie. Seriously though, he seems very savvy at controlling the conversation, he doesn't let the caller or the questioner get him off point. He also comes across as a serious, rational person, which is just what he needs to do considering the bashing of MEDIAMATTERS.
fucking stupidist idea ever.
One irony is that the low dollar is said to be "good for American exports." What *do* we export anymore, aside from military hardware?
Halfdan | 10.06.07 - 10:38 am | #
And how much of that is paid for with US dollars givin or 'loaned' to those third world countries?
I hate Mr.Coffee-Style filter baskets. Too American.
Boeing Jets, that's about it. GE Wind Turbines.
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you forgot surveillance cameras
Duncan, I have often wondered if it is possible for Elaine Chou to "mess with" the data?
Well, we're a country of 300,000,000 people with an annual population growth rate of close to 3%. That's 3,000,000 people, so in theory, we need to have 250,000 new jobs every month, as well as 3% economic growth every year, just to maintain the same standard of living and employment percentage. We have done neither. How we could have been running such a job-creation deficit for so long and not have higher official unemployment figures is a big mystery.
Yeah I just love how it is reported the economy is getting better without going into any details.
Elaine IS married to Mitch McConnell.
I'm on teh radio in about about 10 minutes ...
just stopped by to say hello..
goodbye.
have a wonderful morning.
What *do* we export anymore, aside from military hardware?
Dumb fuckistan MBA business plans, and jobs.
Didya finish yer rant?
What *do* we export anymore, aside from military hardware?
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isn't that enough? Low dollar keeps that business coming, and keeps murkins home spending (can't afford to go anywhere else).
That's 3,000,000 people, so in theory, we need to have 250,000 new jobs every month
blerb
Ummm, no. Infant labor is still illegal, thankfully.
(The workforce is about 50% of the population.)
Give 'em hell, Sinf, and enjoy yourself.
We have done neither. How we could have been running such a job-creation deficit for so long and not have higher official unemployment figures is a big mystery.
Massive under-reporting of unemployment is how.
How we could have been running such a job-creation deficit for so long and not have higher official unemployment figures is a big mystery.
blerb
Lies. Phony figures. Bullshit. Smoke and mirrors. Etc.
Potemkin economy.
Damned logical thinking, jac. 
plantsman: I'm still writing feverishly
I hate Mr.Coffee-Style filter baskets. Too American.
plantsman, areligious
I have red, white, and blue Mr.Coffee-Style filter baskets that I sometimes pin to the lapel image on my tuxedo t-shirt.
we'll party like it's 1899!
Uncle Smokes | Homepage | 10.06.07 - 10:42 am | #
Well, of course, that's the raison d'etre of the current Republican/Conservative enterprise.
Assholes like George F Will have been quite explicit about it. He says the mission statement of the Conservatives should be to restore this country to where it was legally and culturally just before Teddy Roosevelt.
Grover Norquist refers to the same thing as "the country before socialists like Roosevelt screwed it up."
Most people have no idea just how crazy the people currently running the country really are...
Smokes, that shirt's lovely.
Massive under-reporting of unemployment is how.
Doug
Also massive incarceration of a huge segment of the population.
Massive under-reporting of unemployment is how.
Doug
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I like how August deficit in new employment got "corrected" when Sept numbers came out
It's true that people feared it would be disastrous, and it wasn't, but it still wasn't a good report.
But CNN's Susan Lisovicz was so giddy she was practically screaming "we're all gonna be rich! we're all gonna be rich!"
To wit:
LISOVICZ: Turning to Wall Street, well we're hitting some high notes here I'll tell you that. Stocks are rallying on a strong jobs report. One hundred ten thousand new jobs were created in September. The unemployment rate still edged a bit higher to 4.7 percent but it was the August report that really surprised a lot of folks, it showed a loss of 4,000 initially leaving many people to believe the housing woes were spreading to the broader economy, but in this report it was revised to show nearly 90,000 jobs were created in August.
And well, you can see investors' reaction here. The Dow right now up 97 points, about two-thirds of a percent above 14,000, the NASDAQ composite is up about one and a half percent. In the next hour, not yet Halloween but another hot Christmas item will be difficult to find at local stores. I'll tell you about parents' latest holiday headache in the next hour.
NGUYEN: Oh I can't wait. You know, a lot of that Christmas stuff is already out in the stores. It's not even Halloween yet, Susan.
Also massive incarceration of a huge segment of the population.
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Is chain gang labor reported as "employment"?
Yes, it's the "forced slave labor" segment.
Ummm, no. Infant labor is still illegal, thankfully.
(The workforce is about 50% of the population.)
jac
OK, that argument actually splits the difference between us, since not all population growth is babies being born and immigration is highly skewed towards people who are looking for jobs. Still, we have not kept up with breakeven job growth.
I'd love it if one of you would explain to me why I am sitting in my apartment SWEATING on October Fucking Sixth.
Also, why the Suffolk County beaches are open this weekend -- with lifeguards -- because it is going to be, oh, I don't know, eight-fucking-six degrees today?
And, here's oil at a recent $81/bbl+ for oil, and then unleaded regular dropping to around $2.70/gal here in Michigan.
It's pretty simple to me - they just manipulate it all to feed the stock market.
Just like jobs, unemployment, etc.
Still, we have not kept up with breakeven job growth.
This I believe. Only in BushWorld is this considered
"progress."
Is chain gang labor reported as "employment"?
el
Not that I'm aware of, but we have the largest proportion of our citizens in prison of any industrialized nation (except Russia maybe?) and we don't count them among the unemployed.
Also we don't count underemployed people and people who have given up looking because there's nothing for them.
It's not a very good picture of employment, from what I can tell.
Hey, don't get worked up over this sort of thing. I can assure you that the instant a Democratic President gets elected, the Wall Street Journal will start calling this kind of job report "anemic" and "unacceptable". It's like a self-correcting mechanism.
Someone call the department of redundancy department on me, please.
I lerv the tuxedo t-shirt, and can just picture how handsome you look wearing it, Uncle Smokes.
You don't think QVC and HSN will save the Country?
Local news is already very pessimistic about Xmas sales. Seems as if a lot of people want gasoline in their commuter cars and heat in their homes for their Xmas present.
Still, we have not kept up with breakeven job growth.
blerb
I would agree with that.
One factor was mentioned - people falling off the "seeking work" rolls depresses the official unemployment rate.
Also, you have "underemployed" people (a college graduate working at McDonald's because he can't find a job in his field).
Finally, some of those immigrants (illegal or no) actually return home - it's been happening here.
justice bought justice blind out of sight out of mind
they will be dismissed if they try to resist
a wage is a chain taken on with consent
why own slaves when it is cheaper to rent
You don't think QVC and HSN will save the Country?
plantsman, areligious
Don't forget E-bay!
(Or Poland.)
I'd love it if one of you would explain to me why I am sitting in my apartment SWEATING on October Fucking Sixth.
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Well, see, it's about the polar ice caps
Heating Oil Stocks at historic lows......
Also we don't count underemployed people and people who have given up looking because there's nothing for them.
Don't forget people who coble together part-time jobs!
Local news is already very pessimistic about Xmas sales.
Went to the mall yesterday. Christmas stuff out in all the department stores. People just walked right by.
Blech.
Good morning, lovely people.
The move is done, it seems like very nearly everything but my toothbrush is still packed in boxes, and the cats are happy with windowsills to sleep on. I seem to have caught a cold, but that's no biggie.
Just happy to be here.
Molly, Molly, Molly. you have a crippling lack of self-esteem
res ipsa loquitur:
Your neighbor is stopping by the watering hole for a drink tonight.
Could be an interesting conversation.
Clockwise rotating high pressure has drawn hot, muggy Gulf Air into the NE.
Don't forget people who coble together part-time jobs!
Molly Ivors
Bush is a soleless bastard, isn't he?
Seems as if a lot of people want gasoline in their commuter cars and heat in their homes for their Xmas present.
There's nothing festive about frostbite.
Heating Oil Stocks at historic lows......
plantsman, areligious
Well, how are they supposed to know in advance that everybody will start buying the stuff up around the end of October? /snark
Molly, I think it's spelled "cobble" but what do I know? I'm no Composition Prof.
Duncan, I have often wondered if it is possible for Elaine Chou to "mess with" the data?
Don Beal
Well, we know that every single other agency of the guv'ment has been politicised right down to GS-5/7 level, so I can't say I'd be surprised.
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Hey, Molly, saw that you're going to Ithaca today. My daughter and her fiance are there for a wedding. Nice warm summer day.
Oh, look! Dr. Joyce Blathers!
Molly, Molly, Molly. you have a crippling lack of self-esteem
Fuck off.
Molly is allowed to mistype.
now Molly, you are pretty too, I am sure, no super-model, but pretty.
Oh, look! Dr. Joyce Blathers!
Hee hee!
I am making cookies for the very first time.
The first batch were too big and too closely put on the cookie sheet, thus I have one gigantic cookie to give Mr. QL. Next batch will be singletons.
(Thanks for receipt GWPDA)
OK, great cookers among you, a little help?
I put these cherries up in bourbon -- they are wonderful. I decided they ought to get involved with some ducks, somehow.
I'm thinking I'll marinate the ducks in some of the bourbon from the cherries, a little soy (?), some ginger and white pepper. Roast them in a hot oven, turn it down, make a sauce of cherries, onion, coriander, rosemary? Butter? Duck fat?
Smear it on the ducks and finish.
Corrections?
I'm no Composition Prof.
Well, when you want to spend a morning with children and laundry and houseguests and a flooded basement, and still manage to edit everything, feel free.
Also we don't count underemployed people and people who have given up looking because there's nothing for them....
Sigh... (If I don't find a job reals soon...) I can type! I can write! I cleans up good! I have many funny stories about my many years in the rekkid bidness!
Your neighbor is stopping by the watering hole for a drink tonight.
simels,
Get the eff out of here.
How did that happen? I have not spoken to neighbor since that first time.
Why isn't the host putting me on the air yet? Grrr ...
ql -- are you and cute husband celebrating an anniversary?
Woohoo and cheers!
Molly, you must be crippled by that lack of self-esteem of yours.
V for V - I'll pass on the duck, thanks.
I am making cookies for the very first time.
Is Mr. QL running for president or something?
now Molly, you are pretty too, I am sure, no super-model, but pretty.
Nope. I'm ugly, actually. But I'm okay with that and feel no need to base my identity upon it.
I vote for duck fat
Corrections?
Sounds wonderful! I'd prolly use butter to finish the sauce,
Molly, I think it's spelled "cobble" but what do I know? I'm no Composition Prof.
mimi | Homepage | 10.06.07 - 10:57 am | #
Blow it out your ass, Butler.
Duck will give plenty of fat, I should think. Sounds like you're on a culinary roll. If you have dried apricots or peaches to chop and add in, so much the better.
Now, Molly, you must be pretty to someone.
Hoot, bitches.
Well, if it isn't mmmm, missy, manon, mishimishi and mimi! How are you all doing?
How is it that you've never before made cookies, ql?
Nope. I'm ugly, actually. But I'm okay with that and feel no need to base my identity upon it.
I disagree with the first part and concur with the second.
How did that happen? I have not spoken to neighbor since that first time.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 10.06.07 - 11:00 am | #
She found my e-mail addy somehow.
I'm cool with it, albeit a little self-conscious.
Happy anniversary, ql!!!!!
(Buy one of those small little scoops and use it to gather up the dough. That way your cookies will be a uniform size.)
Nope. I'm ugly, actually. But I'm okay with that and feel no need to base my identity upon it.
I've seen your picture, and I must beg to differ. (Rosie's birthday party).
A sturdy spoon will do the same.
She found my e-mail addy somehow.
Not from me.
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The problem is that most of them have been turned into unutterable perversions of what is right and good by a long-standing, insidious process of brainwashing in which various institutions in this country have been engaging for decades.
Don't you hate it when you spend time writing a response to something and the thread dies?
To this point, Republicans have built a very effective rhetorical house of cards, but it's still a house of cards; one I would argue is crumbling.
They just resorted to attacking a NY Times ad to keep the war going. Bill and Rush are unhinged and becoming a pathetic laughing stock.
Almost every American hates our health care system, this war, the constant appeals to fear and our diminished place in the world.
But the left must seize the day, spit upon it's hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats or the opportunity will be lost.
I am making cookies for the very first time.
Is that what the kids are calling it these days? Congratulations on your anniversary, too!
Awiight, laundry. bbl.
Now, Molly, you must be pretty to someone.
mimi | Homepage | 10.06.07 - 11:02 am | #
Je repete --
blow it out your ass, Butler.
Haven't you broken up with yourself?
I am making cookies for the very first time.
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This is what we will hear from the clenis soon
Heh. When I did the Sunday shows, I always had too MUCH time. Today I had too little.
Well, something to get used to, I guess.
mornin' dfh's. bloody mary's by the pitcher. step right up.
Well, I've fixed up The Russian again.
This is Number Seven.
I think this one is very promising.
Owls.
I've seen your picture, and I must beg to differ. (Rosie's birthday party).
Halfdan
I've met you -- hell, I even got a kiss (jealous, ladies? 
) -- and I too beg to differ.
How desperate for attention can one person be?
The answer being, "pretty fucking."
Fuck off, asshole.
I am making cookies for the very first time.
The first batch were too big and too closely put on the cookie sheet, thus I have one gigantic cookie to give Mr. QL. Next batch will be singletons.
(Thanks for receipt GWPDA)
ql-was in NY
Darling, that is referred to as a 'bar cookie' - cut them into little squares and top with a soupcon of strawberry jam.
It's true that people feared it would be disastrous, and it wasn't, but it still wasn't a good report.
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The high spark of low expectations
Nope. I'm ugly, actually. But I'm okay with that and feel no need to base my identity upon it.
Molly Ivors
Uhm, no you're not.
But you are right, anyone who bases their self esteem on looks is in a losing position. I had a dear friend, drop dead gorgeous, seriously try to commit suicide when she hit forty. Fortunately, she failed and found that there was life after looks begin to fade.
I am making cookies for the very first time.
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that is awesome ql! life is good, one cookiepan sized cookie at a time.
Not from me.
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res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 10.06.07 - 11:03 am | #
I know.
And it's really not a problem. It'll be nice to see her. Also one of my best friend's sisters has been trying to get in touch with her -- she's an old pal -- for years, so it worked out fine on several levels.
Faux News was raving about the 110,000 jobs yesterday and broke to the WhiteHouse for preznit's gushing comments about job growth.
He looked really sad and pathetic. I think they just woke him up for the interview.
Besides, shouldn't there be 150,000+ jobs created per month to keep up with pop. growth?
BTW, love the revised numbers for August. You just new this Administration would not let those losses stand.
Corrections?
V for Virginia
Where does the chocolate come in?
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How is it that you've never before made cookies, ql?
Molly Ivors
Amazing, isn't it. But I never really learned to cook till we moved to Italy when I was 26. Somehow, baking just never entered into the mix. For PTA and such, I always just bought cupcakes and cookies.
It's interesting to listen to the finiancial gurus make sense of the numbers. Continually low monthly employment numbers AND low unemployment. Low interest rates AND a credit crunch. High oil prices AND a booming stock market. All these things that make them scratch their heads.
Yeah, Friday; 10/5 afternoon NPR DC Bots were all agush, then the rec'd reporting aired and it had truth smears in it, which Clorox'D and AmmoniA'd their whole ADM Schtick-
Phuckin Toads so only know how to BeeTrayUS-
Grrrrrrrr-
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