HULK SMASHED
Damien Hirst
Wonder when the MSM will report on this guy...
Domestic terrorist gets 40 years in attempted IED bombing
Oh, that's right- he doesn't have brown skin, so he can't be a terrorist!!!
FIF
top 100!
Damian "Jr Gong" Marley?
well i'm calmed down now 
wtf is fif?
DEAD THREDER
Victory Is Within Reach in Iraq
By Michael A. Ledeen
Word Count: 1,483
Should we declare victory over al Qaeda in the battle of Iraq?
The very question would have seemed proof of dementia only a few months ago, yet now some highly respected military officers, including the commander of Special Forces in Iraq, Gen. Stanley McCrystal, reportedly feel it is justified by the facts on the ground.
These people are not suggesting that the battle is over. They all insist that there is a lot of fighting ahead, and even those who believe that al Qaeda is crashing and burning in a death spiral on the Iraqi battlefields say that the surviving
olexicon, at woik
Ten years of Labour rule have failed to create a classless society, according to a Guardian/ICM poll published today. It shows that Britain remains a nation dominated by class division, with a huge majority certain that their social standing determines the way they are judged.
Of those questioned, 89% said they think people are still judged by their class - with almost half saying that it still counts for "a lot". Only 8% think that class does not matter at all in shaping the way people are seen.
The poorest people in society are most aware of its impact, with 55% of them saying class, not ability, greatly affects the way they are seen.
http://society.guardian.co.uk/
so...2195632,00.html
Krugman over at FDL:
As I put it — in COAL I talk a lot about history, and it’s worked its way into my head — we hope we’re about to elect FDR, but there’s a chance all we’ll get is Grover Cleveland.
Damn you spinoza, damn you to hell!
Moon, I'm sorry for your loss.
From below:
I believe you are correct, but I'm not sure what the antibiotics are for exactly.
Toonscribe
Growth promotion. Feeding animals antibiotics produces larger animals; more bang for the buck. All about $$$
wtf is fif?
ql optimist
a reference to a dave chappelle sketch...my shorthadn for getting into the top five
You're suggesting that they should plan for the worst, and then you talk about a middle.
If we take this to its logical extreme, then yes, as Hecate suggested, we should have population control. For starters, I'd say about 25 million people should probably be moved out of California.
Well, that might not be a bad idea. I don't how the hell you'd accomplish it though.
Richard | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 5:21 pm
If you're a planner, you plan for everything, including the worst. You're focusing on the extreme end as the first option-population control in this example.
That's what I'm talking about, planning for every contigency, and being a leader in focusing the population on doing the small things that can help, less obsession with green lawns (xeriscaping), and that sort of thing.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins | 10.20.07 - 5:44 pm |
ql ...I'm searching youtube as we speak
Paddy | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 5:42 pm | #
Cliff Schecter rules ! The only non-whimp leftie on TV.
Moon, I'm sorry for your loss.
Marcellina | 10.20.07 - 5:45 pm | #
thanks
i console myself with the thought that we managed to get to a world cup final even though we have played quite rubbish
I'd say about 25 million people should probably be moved out of California.
Well, that might not be a bad idea. I don't how the hell you'd accomplish it though.
Easy. Drop a fragmentation bomb in stategic locations.
If you're a planner, you plan for everything, including the worst.
Heckuva job, Brownie...
Well, that might not be a bad idea. I don't how the hell you'd accomplish it though.
Richard | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 5:21 pm
Legalize pot in Wyoming.
That's what I'm talking about, planning for every contigency, and being a leader in focusing the population on doing the small things that can help, less obsession with green lawns (xeriscaping), and that sort of thing.
Nobody could have predicted that planning works.
-Condi Rice
The planners in our area are the developers who tell the city and county commissioner what to do.
Legalize pot in Wyoming
And the other 37 states in which it isn't legal.
Yet.
You know what? I'm gonna go figure out how to hook up my DVD player to my new TV.
Later!
Police in England are setting up a nationwide task force to tackle what they say is an "explosion" in thefts of metal which is then sold on as scrap.
School roofs, statues and power lines have all been targeted as millions of pounds worth of metal has been stolen.
British Transport Police, which is leading the task force, said the theft of rail signalling copper had become its biggest problem after terrorism.
Police believe the demand for metal in India and China is forcing prices up.
Copper is now worth £4,000 a tonne, twice as much as two years ago.
BBC Breakfast has obtained figures which show that in Cambridgeshire metal theft is up 170% in a year, in West Mercia 120%, in the West Midlands 112% and 100% in Warwickshire and Sussex.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/70.../uk/
7053890.stm
Feeding animals antibiotics produces larger animals
No, I don't think that's correct. Antibiotics should not make any difference with regards to the size of the animal. I do think they give some cattle injections of Bovine Growth Hormone -- don't know if there's something like a poultry equivalent of that or if BGH would also work on poultry. I think the antibiotics are more an outgrowth of factory farming, where if there is an outbreak of a contagious bacteria, it could mean the death of thousands of animals in a short time, either from the disease or as a forced preventative slaughter.
What I Said To Those Declaring 'Victory' In Iraq Because Violence Is Down
"I'm not sure how the rate of iraqis getting murdered since we went in compares to that under saddam, but we, as a nation, have a lot to answer for for the bloody chaos of the past four years. If your ears are open, you can clearly hear the heartbreaking disappointment of the iraqi people for all the blood and chaos that the supposedly idealistic and efficient americans have brought them. Haven't you heard what iraqis have been saying about us? "They landed a man on the moon. If they wanted to get the electricity fixed and stop the violence, they could do it. Why don't they?"
If we can bring peace to iraq, successfully turn it over to them, and leave them with a functioning government, we will still have the period 2003 until now as a blot on our record as a nation. And we haven't accomplished peace yet."
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Just for the record with regard to the "Values Voter Summit". They can throw around the word "values" all they like. But people who live and vote based on hatred, fear, intolerance, and misogyny do not have American values.
kenosha kid has mail.
But people who live and vote based on hatred, fear, intolerance, and misogyny do not have American values.
Tralfaz | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 5:52 pm | #
See "Jesus Camp"
Kenosha, come over to FDL, we're rapping with Krugman.
...and I can't find it
Toonscribe:
n the United States, antibiotics and related drugs are used routinely to encourage growth and to compensate for crowded and unsanitary conditions in the production of poultry, swine, and cattle. Livestock producers are not restricted from using antibiotics that are important in human medicine, nor are they required to get a prescription from a veterinarian or limit treatment to the few individuals who demonstrate symptoms of illness. Instead, antibiotics are commonly administered in drinking water to entire flocks of chickens, fed to pigs to stave off illness during forced early weaning, and given prophylactically to beef cattle to ease their transition from grass to a corn diet. The Union of Concerned Scientists estimates that 70 percent of antibiotics and related drugs used in the United States are used in animals.
http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_e...-union-
ban.html
See "Jesus Camp"
Not if I don't have too.
"See 'Jesus Camp'"
--Gilly Gonzylon
We truly have become a country I don't recognize anymore.
MPs have backed a parliamentary motion calling on the Government to investigate claims that failed asylum-seekers are routinely abused by their British guards when they are being forcibly returned to their own countries.
The issue was first highlighted in The Independent, which published revelations this month about 200 cases of alleged physical or racist mistreatment.
An early day motion tabled by Diane Abbott and signed by MPs raises particular concern that deportations continue to take place even when detainees have clear signs of mental or physical illness.
The MPs are especially troubled by the case of a Cameroon woman who claims she was so badly beaten by her escort team during the flight that the Cameroon government sent her back to Britain.
Beatrice Guessie, 29, has since been granted bail by an immigration judge and is now living in Liverpool pending a second attempt to remove her. She has instructed lawyers to sue the Home Office for assault and unlawful imprisonment.
http://news.independent.co.uk/
uk...icle3078887.ece
See "Jesus Camp"
Not if I don't have to
Agreed. That's the kind of thing I "get" without needing to sit through it. Life's too short...
I'm watching the breeze blow thru the leaves and sway the trees.
While the tv in the other room rolls on and on with the prattle of football announcers.
Life's too short...
And, I have many, many more fish to catch.
Ha! Krugman is a cat owner!!
See "Jesus Camp"
Not if I don't have too.
It's actually an amazing flick. Pissed me off, to be sure, but know thy enemy...
mer - for the most part, I really don't see the country I served under for 15 years.
America is barely a shell of it's former self anymore.
It's actually an amazing flick. Pissed me off, to be sure, but know thy enemy...
I already know them. I live among them.
Better article here:
http://findarticles.com/p/articl..._31/
ai_76285488
(re: antibiotics as growth-promoters)
know thy enemy...
A majority of the wife's family fits the mold, so I see it everytime I'm around them.
Poles vote tomorrow in an early general election that will decide whether the robust nationalism of the prickly twin brothers, prime minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski and president Lech Kaczynski, is given another four years in power.
The prime minister has called the election two years early following the collapse of his coalition with two small extremist parties. While the opinion polls have varied wildly in their predictions for tomorrow's ballot, the main liberal opposition, the Civic Platform, has been edging ahead since last week when its leader, Donald Tusk, was judged to have trounced the prime minister in a televised debate.
Yesterday the Kaczynskis sought to mobilise support by claiming a big victory at the European summit in Lisbon, which made concessions to Polish complaints about voting power in the EU.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
intern...2195468,00.html
n the United States, antibiotics and related drugs are used routinely to encourage growth and to compensate for crowded and unsanitary conditions in the production of poultry, swine, and cattle.
What are the "related drugs"?
"encourage growth and to compensate for crowded and unsanitary conditions" -- okay, I can see antibiotics compensating for crowded and unsanitary conditions, but they don't encourage growth -- other than keeping the animal alive. I'd say the "related drugs" (whatever they are) are to encourage growth. That seems to me to be a poorly worded sentence, lumping two things (antibiotics and related drugs)together to get two different results -- growth and compensation for crowded and unsanitary conditions.
See "Jesus Camp"
Wife and I rented it....very entertaining.
In a frightening sort of way.
Ha! Krugman is a cat owner!!
Then why doesn't he catblog?
my father just offered to pay for my flight to go attend Eschaton '08!!!!
PROOF that chimp likes to blow people up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9...related&
search=
Then why doesn't he catblog?
That's probably against the NY Times policy also.
His cat is named Doris Lessing, BTW.
A majority of the wife's family fits the mold, so I see it everytime I'm around them.
It's not just the individual mold, but their strategic approach to taking over this country. I recommend the movie.
I'm watching the breeze blow thru the leaves and sway the trees.
While the tv in the other room rolls on and on with the prattle of football announcers.
vox clamantis in red state | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 5:57
72 degrees in Chicago today. Supposed to be 80 tomorrow.
Then why doesn't he catblog?
He has a real job.
so yeah my attending Eschacon 08' is just a bit more reality
my father just offered to pay for my flight to go attend Eschaton '08!!!!
Oh my god! Go!! You won't regret it, ever.
In 1953, just 10 years after penicillin became widely available, Iain Macleod, the then minister of Health, told the House of Commons that feeding antibiotics to farm animals to make them grow faster would have `no adverse effect whatever on human beings.'
Maybe I'm just being dense, but I don't see how antibiotics make an animal "grow faster" -- except in the general sense of making the animal healthier.
my father just offered to pay for my flight to go attend Eschaton '08!!!!
Moonbootica, Der Rosenkavalier
That's awesome.
Better still:
http://oss.mcgill.ca/everyday/
an...bioticsfeed.pdf
The mechanism by which low levels of antibiotics encourage growth is uncertain. One
possibility is that less food has to be metabolized because there is less need for energy to
fight off infection. Another possibility is that antibiotics destroy bacteria found in the
intestine, thinning its lining, thus increasing nutrient absorption. Furthermore, bacteria
living inside the intestine use some of the energy provided by nutrient breakdown.
Eliminating them leaves more food for absorption by the host organism.
It's not just the individual mold, but their strategic approach to taking over this country
At least they're not that kind of nutjobs.
Although, I constantly question that analysis.
This is powerful stuff, so I will repost:
PROOF that chimp likes to blow people up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9...?v=9...related&
search=
Bjorn,a poor young country boi | 10.20.07 - 6:03 pm | #
Poles vote tomorrow in an early general election that will decide whether the robust nationalism of the prickly twin brothers, prime minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski and president Lech Kaczynski, is given another four years in power.
The prime minister has called the election two years early following the collapse of his coalition with two small extremist parties. While the opinion polls have varied wildly in their predictions for tomorrow's ballot, the main liberal opposition, the Civic Platform, has been edging ahead since last week when its leader, Donald Tusk, was judged to have trounced the prime minister in a televised debate.
Yesterday the Kaczynskis sought to mobilise support by claiming a big victory at the European summit in Lisbon, which made concessions to Polish complaints about voting power in the EU.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
intern...2195468,00.html
Not that I'd know if you regret Eschacon 08, but it'll be a great adventure.
I am from Philadelphia (sorta - grew up outside of it, lived in it for about 6 years) and it's a great city. Lots to experience, and you'll be there with, what, 100 friends? Go!!!
Victory Is Within Reach in Iraq
By Michael A. Ledeen
"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?"
Or hell for that matter.
Bjorn is malformed:
"The url contained a malformed video id."
Huh! Texas I have just learned has a tax stamp law for pot.
my dad sez when your young you gotta go for it!
my father just offered to pay for my flight to go attend Eschaton '08!!!!
Look out, Philadelphia!
That's awesome, Moon.
Better still:
http://oss.mcgill.ca/everyday/ an...bioticsfeed.pdf
Okay, that makes sense -- though it seems to be quite a bit of expense for small increments of added growth.
Cécilia Sarkozy yesterday gave a lengthy newspaper interview to say that her marriage to the French president failed because she hated the limelight. She admitted falling in love with another man two years ago.
Hours after Nicolas Sarkozy's office said neither he nor his ex-wife would discuss their divorce, France's former first lady went public. "I met someone, I fell in love, I left," she said of her decision to start a new life with an events organiser in New York in 2005. A year later she returned to her husband in time for his presidential campaign. She told L'Est Républicain she wanted to "behave correctly ... to try to rebuild something". But she added: "We tried everything, I tried everything. It just wasn't possible any more."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
france...2195568,00.html
Ntodd, I asked about cat blogging. 
Urban Meyer is standing 20 feet on the field watching the play. What a dick. You're not allowed to do that.
Maybe I'm just being dense, but I don't see how antibiotics make an
animal "grow faster" -- except in the general sense of making the
animal healthier.
Toonscribe |
10.20.07 - 6:04 pm | #
If an animal doesn't have to expend energy fighting infection it can put more energy into growth.
CBS News has confirmed that outed CIA agent Valerie Plame "was involved in operations to prevent Iran from building nuclear weapons." RAW STORY first revealed Plame's Iran mission and the damage done to CIA operations by her outing two years ago, in a February 13, 2006 story by Raw investigative editor Larisa Alexandrovna.
What The Winger Said
For that reason, I wouldn't trust a modern dictionary. Note this is not my failing, but our intelligentsia's.
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my dad sez when your young you gotta go for it!
Start going for it now, and you'll be going for it your whole life. It's a good habit to get into!
out to eat and drink.
I'm all excited now
One reason for using antibiotics is the abominable, overcrowded conditions under which most livestock are raised.
Moon, your dad is so right! I like his attitude.
CBS News has confirmed that outed CIA agent Valerie Plame "was involved in operations to prevent Iran from building nuclear weapons."
You mean, she wasn't some CIA secretary who lobbied for her husband to make fun of Dick Cheney, and was actually a critical player in defending this country?
Limbaugh won't like this at all.
Legislating morality is retarded.
Gilly Gonzylon | 10.20.07 - 5:29 pm | #
That's what the right said about public accommodation laws.
Legislating evil morality is evil
I hope CBS convinces someone that this time, it's telling the truth, after hanging Rather and Mapes and whomever out to dry.
I hope its ratings for Couric's news show are so pathetic that it needs to readjust.
I was once able to shut up a "values voter" by stating it was blasphemous to call purient interest in other people's sex lives moral while letting poor people starve. It was like I had removed the numbers from a paint-by-numbers canvas.
I hope CBS convinces someone that this time, it's telling the truth, after hanging Rather and Mapes and whomever out to dry.
I hope its ratings for Couric's news show are so pathetic that it needs to readjust.
I hope Dan Rather fucks them with a rusty chainsaw and shames them into acting like the CBS of old.
hope its ratings for Couric's news show are so pathetic that it needs to readjust.
pie | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 6:13 pm | #
Katie "Bernard" Couric has one hell of a colon.
my father just offered to pay for my flight to go attend Eschaton '08!!!!
Moonbootica, Der Rosenkavalier
Did he offer to pay for the return trip too?
(just keeding)
The Rethugs just go into the DT's unless they have a cartoonish boogeyman. Without Russia, I guess It's Iran that we have to gird ourselves against.
Watch out, Omaha, the Iranians are coming to get you.
time to go see what the Meerkats are up to
I hope Dan Rather fucks them with a rusty chainsaw and shames them into acting like the CBS of old.
It's possible
Breaks into song lyrics:
Cinderella: For the world is full of zanies and fools who don't believe in sensible rules and won't believe what sensible people say
Both: And because these daft and dewey eyed dopes keep building up impossible hopes Impossible things are happening every day.
Where that came from, I can't say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9...related&
search=
I was once able to shut up a "values voter" by stating it was blasphemous to call purient interest in other people's sex lives moral while letting poor people starve. It was like I had removed the numbers from a paint-by-numbers canvas.
rootless-e | 10.20.07 - 6:14 pm | #
despite the powerful aversion to facts and logic that most wingers and fundies display, sometimes small victories like this are possible!
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i might even stay for a little longer
so yeah i'm happy
I'd come to EschaCon, but I tghink it's not feasible at this point, once I'm on the job for a year and get paid vacation, i would totalkly do it
i might even stay for a little longer
British invasion!
Are you also going to occupy the country?
What voters can't seem to uptake, is that the terorrism threat is real, but the current US response to that problem is being cartoonishly mishandled.
I have a real job. It just don't pay real good.
British invasion!
Are you also going to occupy the country?
pie | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 6:27 pm | #
I promise not to burn down the White House
I promise not to burn down the White House
Damn!
I have a real job. It just don't pay real good.
I have a real job too, I'm just able to multi-task.
BTW, Krugman says he'll cat blog when the NYTimes fixes their image loading problem.
Huzzah!!
Moon--Glad to see your day is looking up.
You're Dad sounds wonderful, and paying your way for Eschacon sounds like something my Dad (God rest his soul) would have done, too.
It's nice to have a Dad who 'gets it'.
Have a nice trip over, and I'll just apologize right now for the rudeness and ignorance of Americans.
Damn!
spinoza, non ridere, non luger | 10.20.07 - 6:28 pm | #
unless you want me too
I'm cured no longer mal-formed!
And, he likes to blow people up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9...related&
search=
winger just told me that Bismark was a socialist
i thought he was a herring
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Can us left coasters join a saturday evening thread, even tho its only satiddy afternoon out here?
I'm cured no longer mal-formed!
Praise Jebus!!!
I have a real job. It just don't pay real good.
I have a real job. It pays extraordinarily well.
I want to quit it.
When is EschaCon anyhoo?
Anyone got teh dates?
well I currently don't have a job, but may well get some Christmas work and have been applying for two jobs per week
unless you want me too
NSA, she was just keeding.
we are in iraq to protect ourselves against the anglofascism
have you already forgotten the lessons of 1812?
if we don't fight them over there, pretty soon they'll be making your women eat beans on toast for breakfast!!!
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End of March, methinks.
I hope Dan Rather fucks them with a rusty chainsaw and shames them into acting like the CBS of old.
fourlegsgood, gots torch du U?
Acting like the CBS of old would require hiring journalists the caliber of the CBS of old.
You see any of those in their roster of spokesbots?
unless you want me too
Moonbootica, Der Rosenkavalier
darn it, you just made the no-fly list.
I'll pretend to be related to royalty
Can us left coasters join a saturday evening thread, even tho its only satiddy afternoon out here?
flory, from Northern Californi | 10.20.07 - 6:30 pm | #
i'm in the oakland hills...
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Acting like the CBS of old would require hiring journalists the caliber of the CBS of old.
You see any of those in their roster of spokesbots?
Of course not. It will require them to fire those asshats and get new ones.
BTW, Krugman is at FDL talking 'bout healthcare:
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/...rugman/
#respond
Eschacon website says "Digby's in: woohoo!"
http://eschacon08.blogspot.com/
I'm convinced that consultants are frequently brought in to take the heat over embarrassingly shitty management policy.
winger just told me that Bismark was a socialist
i thought he was a herring
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Tacitus Voltaire
I thought he was a type of donut
unless you want me too
NSA, she was just keeding.
pie
She wuz?
Drat.
So this is what Mccainintheass gets for sucking up to the jebus-americans:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
1% !
I think this may be the result of his coming out against torture.
fourlegs: March 29-30, in Philadelphia
i'm in the oakland hills...
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Tacitus Voltaire
Yeah?
I'm down in the flatlands.
winger just told me that Bismark was a socialist
i thought he was a herring . Tacitus Voltaire
I thought he was a creampuff.
Santa Ana conditions to return to Socal.
These hot winds from the desert make everyone even crazier.
bo owes me a coke
yah my family is planning our foreign holidays at the moment (after copious amounts of wine)
my sister is planning to go to Canada and Oman plus she plans to spend New Year in Switzerland
my mum is planning to go to Oman also
meanwhile my dad is going to Switzerland and Italy for the skiing season
and Me it will be Philly
Tacitus:
Did you see the article in the Tribune about political donations from the East Bay?
Leading Democrat Obama picks up $1.2 million.
Leading Repukkke Romney picks up $290,000.
Heh.
[Waving at flory and Tacitus from the North end of Silly Valley.]
These hot winds from the desert make everyone even crazier.
Yeah, and it's retrograde Mercury. Not pretty.
EschCon 08 blog here
http://eschacon08.blogspot.com/
and Me it will be Philly
Are you coming to Eschaton??
heh there was an S. African player on the bench called Bismarck du Plessis
bo owes me a coke - olexicon
Great minds in the same gutter.
Here's your coke.
Are you coming to Eschaton??
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 6:40 pm | #
yep, my dad has just offered to play for my flight there
Santa Ana conditions to return to Socal. These hot winds from the desert make everyone even crazier.
Babble on, sisters!
Waving to the venture capitalist in the south bay.....
(that is what all you pibbles do down there, innit?)
Prior,
Did you see that I blogged about monastery life?
Marcellina is just too fast for me!
yea digbsy...
yep, my dad has just offered to play for my flight there
That's great! I hope that I get to meet you.
Great minds in the same gutter.
Here's your coke.
bo
Delicious...when I hear bismarck i think donut
That's great! I hope that I get to meet you.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 6:42 pm | #
me too
it will be a real honor to meet Atriots
yep, my dad has just offered to play for my flight there
Moonbootica, Der Rosenkavalier
You have a very kuhl Dad.
Tacitus:
Did you see the article in the Tribune about political donations from the East Bay?
Leading Democrat Obama picks up $1.2 million.
Leading Repukkke Romney picks up $290,000.
Heh.
flory | 10.20.07 - 6:39 pm | #
[Waving at flory and Tacitus from the North end of Silly Valley.]
bo | 10.20.07 - 6:39 pm | #
Yay! Eschalifornia!
I'm glad that Oakland still has it's great newspaper, but i usually read the NYT or the SJ Merc, since i work in SW in silly-con valley
barbara lee speaks for me!
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