I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Peace
Not being greedy. We just need peace.
Because, in the end, helping each other is the best thing to do.
A Home Run! (Prolly should call sheets, eh?)
WOTD: Amity Shlaes.
Hey!
Those pesky workers!
Don't they realize that they can walk into any emergency room and get all the health care they need?
Fools!
shop!
dtd:
billy b: hell, yeah; nothing new about this. You could have mentioned FD Roosevelt as well...
Yessir.
National Airport is now named after reegun.
dead threaded:
If someone tried to give me the Medal of Freedom, I'd fling it back in his face. It'd be an insult.
That torture has been legitimized as state policy in this country is something Bush, Cheney and their ilk should have to answer for. Those who collaborate with them have no standing whatever.
If Obama stops the torture, closes Guantanamo, ends rendition, and embraces the Geneva Convention and human rights, every terrorist incident, the world over, will be spun as proving that Bush and Cheney were right to introduce mostrous evil into American statecraft. It will never go away. You can't unring the bell. It'll be a fight, forever, to stop this.
I lived in Temecula for about a year. That was when it was just a small town just off I-15 (I think), not too far from the Fallbrook gate of Camp Pendleton.
Up the mountain, in the avacado groves. (I have pictures somewhere).
reposted
Just for the record, "people" asked that Corrente be removed from the blogroll because during the election it became a haven for RedStaters, banned anyone who supported Obama, published large volumes of racist drivel, and featured articles explaining how John Fund and other wingers were "making sense."
People who try to frame this as "intolerance for dissent" are fooling themselves.
Trample box store employees to death in a mad rush to get bargains on plasma teevees!
ProfWombat, as usual, voices my thoughts.
over here Woolworths and MFI have gone into administration
We need to destroy Temecula in order to save it.
How come when there's a natural disaster the GOP crowd is all "people shouldn't live in those places" but when there's a man-made economic meltdown they're all "people should give us very large piles of money or our workplace will be destroyed?"
WOTD: Amity Shlaes.
P O'Neill
Poor old Adam Smith. He couldn't imagine an age in which his self-interested scoundrels could make off with so much loot so relatively quickly and surreptitiously that it might be thought all would suffer unless they were allowed to get away with it.
I recall a small mexican place in town where, some 30 years later the food still haunts me.
Naming an airport after the man who broke the air traffic controllers' union always struck me as a gratuitous thumb in the eye, an 'I can do something entirely hateful, and there's nothing you can do about it, punk' kind of action.
Pure power. Never enough, ever, though it's among this world's principal seductions to so hold.
Poor old Adam Smith. He couldn't imagine an age in which his self-interested scoundrels could make off with so much loot
Actually, he did. He said not to trust "merchants"...
From below:
Hanging their hats on the birth certificate issue is also interesting, because it's so insanely stupid and provable to be false.
These are the same people who insist we can "win" in Iraq.
Logic, facts, the truth....those things mean nothing to them.
who knew shop and kill could be the same thing?
I recall a small mexican place in town where, some 30 years later the food still haunts me.
blast you, montezuma!
Lord Mandelson is drawing up plans to choose which businesses and industries are important enough to be saved in the event of their going bankrupt as the recession bites, the Guardian can reveal.
In his first newspaper interview since returning to the cabinet, the business secretary said he planned a more interventionist policy for industry.
Company data such as the number of employees, the importance of the firm's research and development and its performance were likely to be factors in deciding which businesses should be given government aid.
A paper reflecting Mandelson's thinking was presented on Thursday to the national economic council, the government's economic war cabinet. The move comes as a Guardian/ICM poll reveals that the Tories have extended their lead over Labour to 15 points, putting them on 45% and Labour on 30%. This is despite overall voter approval for the government's handling of the economic crisis.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politi...ndelson-
economy
I recall a small mexican place in town where, some 30 years later the food still haunts me.
Clearly, you need a colon flush.
Actually, he did. He said not to trust "merchants"...
The Invisible Hand sometimes gooses.
Adam Smith couldn't imagine corporate financing on such a huge scale.
Textile mill startups in his time were capitalized mainly by private lending or by mortgages.
These are the same people who insist we can "win" in Iraq.
Check the kerning on Bush's war orders. They might have been faked by Democrats, who are really responsible for the war, to make him look bad.
icy cold morning beverage to Noam Sane
Wombat -
Exactly. Childish application of authority.
Martha Stewart, Marion Jones, and Don Siegelman are good examples of same.
"You Dems think you're cute? Look what we can do to you."
Clearly, you need a colon flush
I should have mentioned, it was a haunting in the good way.
I had the colon flush & exam this spring. I'm fine, which is, relative.
i doubt many liberterians, neoliberals, free markterees have read Smith or Hayek properly
I doubt whether "conservatives" can read anything properly unless it's a comic book.
Hayek was a hysterical fraud and a moral fake - but even he supported a general social security system.
BAGHDAD: A landmark US military pact approved by Iraq's parliament could lead to Iraqi detainees being tortured or executed at the hands of their own government, a London-based human rights group said.
Amnesty International said the new agreement, which would transfer legal responsibility over thousands of detainees in US custody to Iraqi judges beginning next year, gave them no protection from mistreatment.
The agreement does not provide any safeguards whatsoever for prisoners transferred to Iraqi custody," said Malcolm Smart, who heads the group's Middle East and North Africa Programme, in a statement.
"These prisoners will potentially be moving from the frying pan into the fire," he said. "We receive persistent reports of gross human rights violations, including torture, taking place in Iraqi prisons."
The US military is currently holding over 16,000 prisoners in Iraq, and according to the new agreement their files would be handed over to Iraqi judges, who would decide their fate.
The rights group said that high-profile detainees especially former high-ranking officials in Saddam Hussein's regime were at particular risk of being executed on the orders of Iraqi authorities.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m4914...&hd=&size=1&
l=e
Guess I'm off to go to the italian bakery with the wife.
Toodles.
There used to be a Tex-Mex place off of Wilson Blvd. in Arlington VA whose BBQ was to die for.
If you drive on the northwest side of Chicago, you will find yourself in the vast bungalow belt that was built in the teens and twenties. Block after block of brick homes that stretch for miles in every direction. As you reach the outer limits of this development, you encounter an odd landscape where isolated bungalows are surrounded by post WWII housing. When the building stopped in 1929, it did not restart until the late 40's.
Hayek is yet another demonstration of the general principle that one should Never. Trust. Austrians.
Dying of Sadness in the Shadow of Empire
by Chris Floyd
How about a nice big bowl of Colon Blow?
CARTOONS
Oussama * Bomby Jokes
billy b: one interesting case we read in criminal law involved someone cited for a trivial traffic offense. His defense was that it's close to impossible for any driver to avoid violating the law as written, if strictly applied, and that enforcement is wildly variable. The court disallowed the defense, saying that the law is the law, and, unless one can demonstrate that, say, you're much more likely to be stopped for going 56 in a 55 mph zone if you're black, they have discretion in enforcing it, and you have no defense.
There's something to be said about the larger society, in which acts defined somewhere as illegal are common, and part of daily life. Not to apologize for Stewart and Siegelman, who actually transgressed. But the sort of discretion accepted today in the criminal justice system is a deep enemy of good governance, and strikes at the root of the very notion of justice.
Think your life is a reality show? You may have Truman Syndrome.
"While a few inflicted with the syndrome take pride in their imagined celebrity many are upset at what they believe to be an Orwellian intrusion into their privacy."
Bring Me the Head of Diego Garcia!
Or is it Alfredo?
You can probably add Tucson to the "destroyed" list.
I doubt whether "conservatives" can read anything properly unless it's a comic book.
Sufferin' Succotash
Only the pictures.
WRT Corrente, gee, nobody is forced to click on a link. Just don't go there.
I recall a small mexican place in town where, some 30 years later the food still haunts me.
That must have been one bad burrito.
I have no idea how bad the economic downturn will be nationally, but it's pretty clear that more locally some places are just going to be destroyed.
You have to wonder how many communities are worth the corporate consumer non-culture that the establishment has allowed to eat American life into a hollow shell.
Burning the village to save it. What goes around, comes around.
WRT Corrente, gee, nobody is forced to click on a link. Just don't go there.
qlª - more lefty than you
Like I said on the last thread, I just don't go there.
Just like I won't go to any rightard blogs or sites.
WRT Corrente, gee, nobody is forced to click on a link. Just don't go there.
qlª - more lefty than you | 11.29.08 - 10:40 am | #
And nobody is forced to read criticisms of them either.
NTodd: there are some who still argue about the Wannsee protocol.
I don't think that too strong a comparison.
It's over.
FOX News asking "would stocks rebound if President-Elect Obama cancels tax hikes?"
Or is it Alfredo?
Sufferin' Succotash | 11.29.08 - 10:40 am | #
How nice, someone is thinking of me.
And nobody is forced to read criticisms of them either.
rootless-e
I actually try and avoid them but since they're posted here in comments it's sometimes hard.
Like I said on the last thread, I just don't go there.
Just like I won't go to any rightard blogs or sites.
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama | 11.29.08 - 10:40 am | #
I'm just not willing to accept the defenses of them as "dissenting" that we read here and in other places. To object to racist drivel is not the same as demanding everyone agree on a party line.
FOX News asking "would stocks rebound if President-Elect Obama cancels tax hikes?"
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Faux News is truly an embarrassment.
i doubt many liberterians, neoliberals, free markterees have read Smith or Hayek properly
Yup. You never find one them mentioning this quote:
People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.
The Wealth of Nations, Book I, Chapter X
FOX News' Neil Cavuto poses this question:
"Will big unions get their way and turn Walmart into the next GM?"
Flint was a real trendsetter ...
I still read Corrente from time to time, mostly Chicago Dyke's blog
"Kristol Calls On Bush To Pardon Torturers And Wiretappers, Reward Them With Medal Of Freedom»
In his new Weekly Standard column, right-wing pundit Bill Kristol lays out a to-do list for President Bush before he leaves office. He urges Bush to deliver speeches “reminding Americans of our successes fighting the war on terror.” Kristol dreams, “Over time, Bush might even get deserved credit for effective conduct of the war on terror.” "
Either that or we will realize to our shame how inaffective and cowardly Democrats were in not prosecuting everyone in the Bush administration for war crimes.
FOX News' Neil Cavuto poses this question:
"Will big unions get their way and turn Walmart into the next GM?"
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
What is so terrific about WalMart?
"Will big unions get their way and turn Walmart into the next GM?"
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
No, Tovarisch, GUM.
Can someone please shoot Bill Kristol into the sun?
Well, 'reality television' is about as oxymoronic as it gets. 500 channels and nothing on.
And a writer and editor, both, presumably, professional journalists, allowed '...a few inflicted by this syndrome'? Merciful heavens...
i doubt many liberterians, neoliberals, free markterees have read Smith or Hayek properl
Will Smith and Salma Hayek have written a book together?
Can someone please shoot Bill Kristol into the sun?
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama
What, and risk having it go stupa-nova?
So I haven't seen anything on the "numbers" from yesterday's annual Xmas shopping x-travaganza on the few "general" news sites I look at (haven't watched the local TV news). Which leads me to believe yesterday's results were horrid.
I can say at 2:00 pm in SF's Union Square, it was dead. The sidewalks in front of Macy's/Nieman Marcus were nearly empty. I've seen more shoppers on a Sunday in May.
The anti-fur people were out in front of Nieman Marcus, though, like they are every day-after-Thanksgiving, though, and good for them.
Kristol would happier inside a giant microscope slide careening eternally through interstellar space.
Can someone please shoot Bill Kristol into the sun?
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama
What, and risk having it go stupa-nova?
Anthony McCarthy
Doesn't that guy EVER get tired of being WRONG?
About EVERYTHING?
The anti-fur people were out in front of Nieman Marcus, though, like they are every day-after-Thanksgiving, though, and good for them.
dave™©
Fur looks better on the animals.
i watch Strictly Come Dancing, which is kind of a reality show but i have such a weakness for sequencing and dancing
And a writer and editor, both, presumably, professional journalists, allowed '...a few inflicted by this syndrome'? Merciful heavens...
Help me, doctor. I'm afraid I'm the star of my own reality TV show. And I just found out I've been cancelled!
Lieberman, Mending Fences, Addresses Past And Future
On Tuesday, he had no answer for how to repair his relationship with the Connecticut electorate: a poll in October found 53 percent disapprove of his performance. Among Democrats, the number is 76 percent.
"I'm just going to do my job," Lieberman said. "What else can you do?"
He is up for re-election in 2012, when he turns 70. He is coy about running.
"I always follow the rule if somebody is an incumbent you have to assume they are going to run again," he said. "And that's my answer."
Lieberman said he regretted the difficulties that his "personal political independence" has caused for Nancy DiNardo, an old friend who is the Democratic state chairwoman.
"I will do anything I can to help her and the Democratic Party of Connecticut, as I always have," he said.
liar.
Lieberman Won’t Support Fellow Democratic Candidates
Doesn't that guy EVER get tired of being WRONG?
He signs his checks with x's an' they cash 'em jest the same.
This holiday, Peggy Noonan is thankful she doesn't have to encounter poor people.
What is so terrific about WalMart?
What's so terrible about unions?
WRT Corrente, gee, nobody is forced to click on a link. Just don't go there.
Personal responsibility? Fuck that.
I demand Atrios remove all links from the blogroll, save mine.
I'll say it again. Those who legitimized torture as an occasionally necessary tool of government in this country have committed a serious act with serious consequences. The fight against this evil will never end. They have much to answer for, and, most pathetically and horribly, they don't even know it.
Mild recessions have very little long term impact. Most regions and communities rebound to something that approximates their pre-recessionary selves. Not so, severe recessions. These downturns uncover structural weaknesses and can destroy industries and communities that depend on them. (See Denora, Pennsylvania) The local impact can last decades with a great deal of human suffering.
Poor people are probably grateful that they don't have to run into Peggy Noonan, too.
She makes David Brooks look reasonable.
Either that or we will realize to our shame how inaffective and cowardly Democrats were in not prosecuting everyone in the Bush administration for war crimes.
We better hope there is never another Republican administration.
Ever.
They get incrementally worse the more we let their past crimes slide.
sad fact is the ruling class will look after its town
neither Bush or Cheney or Blair will ever be charged and arrested
What's so terrible about unions?
dave™©
Not a damn thing.
Mornin' folks. I suppose I should go out and do something about the lawn, now that all the leaves are finally down (except for the dregs of the Norway Maples, which were apparently still trying to get some photosynthesis done as recently as last week).
First step, rototill the garden in the lower yard so I can blow leaves onto it.
No doubt Peggers is still wondering why the MSM is making Mooselina the GOP's poster girl.
just look at Blair
he's swanning around with plum teaching positions, his own foundation and on the board of JP Morgan
i mean what kind of justice is that?
This holiday, Peggy Noonan is thankful she doesn't have to encounter poor people.
This wasn't about the poor, but it's my favorite part:
...when I fly I say a prayer that has become a ritual: “Dear God, put your big hands under this plane and lift it up, and carry it forward through the air untouched and unharmed by other objects. And may its inner workings work. And put us down softly in our place of destination, and return us safely to our homes, and to those in whose lives we are enmeshed.”
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Poor people are probably grateful that they don't have to run into Peggy Noonan, too.
She makes David Brooks look reasonable.
ProfWombat
She's still waiting for Ronnie's Glorious Resurrection.
(and I'm hoping she choked on the nasty comments she made about Obama back in 2004)
Not a damn thing.
Well, it was a rhetorical question.
Or a pun. I haven't had my coffee yet...
neither Bush or Cheney or Blair will ever be charged and arrested
Moonbootica, Cocktail Queen
Almost certainly not but we can always hope. If the Democrats document enough theft during the Bush junta it might get us better odds.
Though, there might be a rogue Spanish judge who issues an indictment.
the ruling class and those that led us into this war have fixed it so it will never be held to account
No doubt Peggers is still wondering why the MSM is making Mooselina the GOP's poster girl.
I'm kinda wondering that, too, actually.
Here it is 10:00 and we've had breakfast and walked the dogs but I still can't get my ass off the sofa and into the shower.
Poor old Adam Smith. He couldn't imagine an age in which his self-interested scoundrels could make off with so much loot so relatively quickly and surreptitiously that it might be thought all would suffer unless they were allowed to get away with it.
Smith was an Enlightenment guy, and he thought that enlightened self interest was the way to go.
In the longer runs, being a greedy asshole is not in your own enlightened self interest. Because there is blowback for being an asshole.
Smith understood this. Rand did not.
The destruction of the Amazon rainforest in Brazil has accelerated for the first time in four years, Brazilian officials say.
Satellite images show 11,968 sq km of land was cleared in the year to July, nearly 4% higher than the year before.
The government said the figure was unsatisfactory but could have been a lot worse if it had not taken action against illegal logging.
High commodity prices had allegedly tempted farmers to clear more land.
In recent years the Brazilian government has been able to celebrate three successive falls in deforestation.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...cas/
7756241.stm
...when I fly I say a prayer that has become a ritual: “Dear God, put your big hands under this plane and lift it up, and carry it forward through the air untouched and unharmed by other objects. And may its inner workings work. And put us down softly in our place of destination, and return us safely to our homes, and to those in whose lives we are enmeshed.”
Oh, great. So if God's worrying about Nooner's safe travels, that means the rest of us are screwed. Well, that explains that Australian air crash.
There's something to be said about the larger society, in which acts defined somewhere as illegal are common, and part of daily life.
This is a running argument I have with the rest of the co-op board. Some of our rules are ridiculously restrictive, purposely so, but unambiguous. For example, you can't leave anything in the hallway, or put stuff on the outside of your doors.
But people do have doormats. And the tenor next door's kids put up stuff on the door every month, Halloween, Thanksgiving etc.
Now as long as I don't put up satanic porn on my door, then everything is fine. But if I do, then the rule has to be enforced.
There are a lot of laws like this. Speeding one that goes unenforced when it could be easily enforced. When I was a kid I wondered about this. Your toll ticket was time stamped on both ends of your journey. If your average speed was even one mph over the limit, you'd been speeding. Yet this was not enforced.
So it has to be the idea IS selective enforcement.
I demand Atrios remove all links from the blogroll, save mine.
NTodd, PaxLive @ 3pm Eastern |
and add me! 
[just kidding. mine is still quite a novice's blog]
My significant other is planning some leaf-related activity for the afternoon.
Any ideas on how I can get out of it?
just look at Blair
he's swanning around with plum teaching positions, his own foundation and on the board of JP Morgan
The universities are plutocratic brothels, the bigger the name university, the faster they'll pimp someone like Blair. Doug Feith has held jobs at Harvard, Georgetown and Stanford since being declared the stupidest man in the world. Got no respect for any of them any more.
Because there is blowback for being an asshole.
Karma manifests itself in wonderful ways.
Why doesn't Nooners like Palin?
It sounds as though she's just as crazy.
but as long as i brought it up...
here's what we did yesterday instead of shopping, and we'll be doin' it more today.
quite literally an eye for an eye - A court in Iran has ruled that a man who blinded a woman with acid after she spurned his marriage proposals will also be blinded with acid.
The ruling was reported in Iranian newspapers on Thursday.
The punishment is legal under the Islamic Sharia code of qias or equivalence, which allows retribution for violent crimes.
The court also ordered the attacker, 27-year-old Majid Movahedi, to pay compensation to the victim.
The acid attack took place in 2004. The victim, Ameneh Bahrami, went to Spain for surgery to reconstruct her face but efforts to restore her sight failed.
The ruling was a response to her plea to the court in the Iranian capital Tehran for retribution.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
7754756.stm
The anti-fur people were out in front of Nieman Marcus, though, like they are every day-after-Thanksgiving, though, and good for them.
dave™©
Fur looks better on the animals.
Bullshit! Fur coats look great on woman. This is not something true liberals are concerned about. Hunting and fishing, as long as you eat what you kill, are others.
What the hell, demostrate in front of shoe stores too. They are made of animal skins too, only the fur has been removed.
Antifur demonstrators aren't liberal.
LOL. From the "Ticked Off" column of our local free weekly (it's a phone number you can call in and say whatever you want anonymously and they publish it. Mostly it's 80 year old conservative wackos who call in):
"The people of Nashville deserve an English-only law. Just ask the people of Miami if they would have liked to have a chance to vote on a bill like this."
LOL LOL LOL
Ask 'em, I dare ya...
Why doesn't Nooners like Palin?
She's uncouth. It's the only mortal sins among the better class of media whores. But lots of money can buy a Bush an indulgence.
I still read Corrente from time to time, mostly Chicago Dyke's blog
Moonbootica, Cocktail Queen | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:44 am | #
I don't visit Stormfront's web site either.
I don't have a blog because I have very little of value to say.
NTodd just doesn't know any better.
A court in Iran has ruled that a man who blinded a woman with acid after she spurned his marriage proposals will also be blinded with acid.
I'm surprised they didn't order the woman executed for turning him down in the first place.
Antifur demonstrators aren't liberal.
Some of them are.
"Stop the slaughter! Save the seals!" It was my first demonstration, back in 1979. Happy days.
A court in Iran has ruled that a man who blinded a woman with acid after she spurned his marriage proposals will also be blinded with acid.
AN eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Gee, a certain party is into killing animals.
What a surprise.
I don't visit Stormfront's web site either.
rootless-e, paleocommunist | 11.29.08 - 10:58 am | #
and whats that supposed to mean?
Fur looks better on the animals.
She's uncouth. It's the only mortal sins among the better class of media whores. But lots of money can buy a Bush an indulgence.
The thing is, Bush doens't have to pay any money to the media whores. He just has to have it in order to get a free pass on being a sociopath sack of uncouth shit.
Can't see how any wingers could possibly complain about Eye-ranian justice--it's right out of the Old Testament.
Fur looks better on the animals.
Well, I was gonna buy a fake fur vest a month or so ago but I didn't because I didn't want anyone to think it was real.
She's uncouth. It's the only mortal sins among the better class of media whores. But lots of money can buy a Bush an indulgence.
Well, would Nooners like Mooselina better if she talked about magical dolphins?
FOX News asking "would stocks rebound if President-Elect Obama cancels tax hikes?"
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
*
an emotional blackmail that seems to be working
Gee, a certain party is into killing animals.
What a surprise.
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama
Adds weight to the Fredo = Toby faction. I figured it was him when he was hitting on me the other day.
Clever for the Bavarian Nazi to go all Bill Dana, though not that clever.
Hasn't Darfur suffered enough?
I'm surprised they didn't order the woman executed for turning him down in the first place.
No, you're thinking of the absolute shithole that is Saudi Arabia.
Antifur demonstrators aren't liberal.
Some of them are
You scored a point. Okay, most antifur demonstrators aren't liberal.
Because Republicans are good for business...
and whats that supposed to mean?
It's called "I'm purer than you".
Ignore it.
jay: the notion of selective enforcement isn't as pernicious if most folk obey the law. So, in your co-op, the spirit of the law is obeyed: no porn on doors; doormats that aren't over-the-top lifestyle statements. If the laws are so written, enforced and minded so that most folk break 'em on a daily basis, though, it's immensely destructive. One of the pernicious effects of widespread auto use is that on citizens' relationship to the law and the police. Most folk break speed limits, daily. They shift lanes without signaling. They don't come to a full three-second stop at every stop sign. They stretch lights. And so on. And cops stay in their cars, where you can't interact with them at all; when you do, it's a formulaic obeisance to asserted authority. The result is a widespread recognition that laws are arbitrary, oft ignored, and arbitrarily enforced; it delegitimizes the whole enterprise. The excessive criminalization of marijuana is anouther example.
If BHO gets all Keynesian on the economy, it won't matter whether he cancels tax breaks for the richees or not.
You scored a point. Okay, most antifur demonstrators aren't liberal.
You know all of them?
I STILL say fur looks better on the animals.
Because Republicans are good for business...
Yes just ask the U.S. retailers right now.
Suckaz.
You know all of them?
Southern Beale
It doesn't know its ass from its elbow.
When I was a kid I wondered about this. Your toll ticket was time stamped on both ends of your journey. If your average speed was even one mph over the limit, you'd been speeding. Yet this was not enforced.
Wow. When I was a kid, I wondered how Yogi Bear and Huckleberry Hound got inside my TV...
I STILL say fur looks better on the animals.
Ummmmm... is there some dispute?
I was indeed thinking of marijuana.
Because Republicans are good for business...
Roddy McCorley
Republicans are bad for children and all other living things.
Wow. When I was a kid, I wondered how Yogi Bear and Huckleberry Hound got inside my TV...
dave™©
Gee, a certain party is into killing animals.
You are really reaching. I said hunting and fishing is fine as long as you eat what you kill.
Didn't a regular here kill some of her chickens recently? Your logic would demand that you say she is into killing animals too.
You know it's bad when even the Sugar Daddies cut back:
"Zccording to a new survey by Prince & Assoc., more than 80% of multimillionaires who had extra-marital lovers planned to cut back on their gifts and allowances. Still, only 12% of the multimillionaire cheaters said they plan to give up on their lovers altogether for financial reasons."
Ummmmm... is there some dispute?
dave™©
The women a certain party stalks must wear fur.
It thinks anti-fur demonstrators are bad people.
Furs Through The Ages:
"A doll in Washington Heights once got a fox fur outta me." -- Mark McPherson, Laura, 1944.
more than 80% of multimillionaires who had extra-marital lovers planned to cut back on their gifts and allowances
Time for SOMEONE to get a REAL job.
Comment by El Fredo blocked.
If the laws are so written, enforced and minded so that most folk break 'em on a daily basis, though, it's immensely destructive
*
Back when I smoked pot and when we drank booze before being of age it seemed to us to be that the laws were corrupting us because of the great lack of their unenforement.
Time for SOMEONE to get a REAL job.
"But Mooooom!!!!!!!"
The women a certain party stalks must wear fur.
Ah. Fuck that shit. It's been Killfiled, so hence, I didn't realize it was jerking off to the thought of skinning animals alive.
Modern society has a crazy relationship with animals. We either overly (imo) fetishize them or we treat them like shit. There's a middle ground that gives proper respect to them as part of a human economy.
Japan's workers are being urged to switch off their laptops, go home early and use what little energy they have left on procreation, in an attempt to avert demographic disaster.
The drive to persuade employers that their staff would be better off at home than staying late at the office comes amid warnings from health experts that many couples are simply too tired to have sex.
A survey of married couples under 50 found that more than a third had not had sex in the previous month. Many couples said they didn't have the energy. A study by Durex found that the average couple has sex 45 times a year, less than half the global average of 103 times.
"It's a question of work-life balance," Kunio Kitamura, head of the Japan Family Planning Association, told Reuters. "The people who run companies need to do something about it."
Japan's birth rate of 1.34 is among the lowest in the world and falls well short of the 2.07 children needed to keep the population stable. If it persists, demographers say the population will drop to 95 million by 2050 from its 2006 peak of 127.7 million.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/...n-sexual-
health
If folks in Temecula had any sense they'd rename the place Bushville.
He did more than anyone to make it what it is now.
Thank God Terry and dave killfiled me. I don't have to put up with their insipid bullshit.
I didn't realize it was jerking off to the thought of skinning animals alive.
That calendar with the Fascist Party Girls in dead animal skins must really get it off.
I was indeed thinking of marijuana.
jayackroyd
i was thinking of the 'no loitering' sign on the grassy knoll where half the town sits to eat their ice cream cones. i have even said to my kids, one of whom can now read, that what the sign means is that it gives police authority to run off anyone who they don't want there, but folks eating ice cream don't concern them.
In the longer runs, being a greedy asshole is not in your own enlightened self interest. Because there is blowback for being an asshole.
Not if you're allowed to get away with it and you make enough loot never to need more.
Japan To Workers: Fuck Off.
nobody could have predicted sheets
We saw Quantum of Solace last night. Pretty good, though I recommend renting Casino Royale and watching it before you go. A lot of the plot didn't make sense to me because it had been so long since I'd seen Casino Royale.
Japan's birth rate of 1.34 is among the lowest in the world and
falls well short of the 2.07 children needed to keep the population
stable. If it persists, demographers say the population will drop to 95
million by 2050 from its 2006 peak of 127.7 million.
You're not going to MAKE people have kids if they don't want them.
Women look great in lots of things other than fur coats, and there's much gratuitous cruelty in the fur trade. But it becomes difficult to avoid absolutism in such things. You eat meat, you wear fur, you fish (even catch and release), you swat mosquitoes gratuitously, you trap mice, you poison rats, on and on. Michael Pollan, in 'The Omnivore's Dilemma', makes a reasonable, though far from airtight, case that vegetarianism results in animal death as well, and that food animals can be dealt with humanely. Others disagree. And I don't have a problem with animal experimentation that doesn't involve gratuitous cruelty, and that does improve human existence, but I'd have trouble with similar experiments conducted on rats and on chimpanzees.
Me, I eat meat, I don't hunt, I wouldn't wear fur, I would poison mice in my house, but I don't pretend to philosophical coherence when thinking about this stuff. I'd wind up a Jain, sweeping the ground before I walked on it to avoid accidentally killing insects. I indeed consider life sacred, but rapidly find it hard to turn the observation into a coherent, absolute guide to conduct. I guess the concept of the sacred isn't something I can grasp totally. Perhaps that's intrinsic to the sacred...
tee hee i guess i'm a little guilty
i do indulge my cats lol and uh give them nicknames
George is Georgie porgy poo
and Heidi is called 'Missy moo'
and i'm always buying fresh tuna and roast chicken slices
ack they are spoiled pussies but i just can't resist
There's a middle ground that gives proper respect to them as part of a human economy.
Well, then the "economy" part starts bitching and moaning. God forbid you should raise animals in a civilized way and treat them with respect at the moment of their death. Huge corporate agribusiness doesn't make any money off that, so such concepts must be crushed!
I was in the Temecula area over Thanksgiving. Looks to me like they're still building commercial.
Modern society has a crazy relationship with kids. We either overly (imo) fetishize them or we treat them like shit...
Hey, Moe - FYT!
i was thinking of the 'no loitering' sign on the grassy knoll
*
'Right turn on red light' was legalized in DE except where it is obviously dangerous and those instances are signed.
From below rmj:
Besides, we have yet to lose 4000 banks, and it isn't likely we will, either.
The equivalent in deposits held will certainly be lost. May have already. The little regional banks in VT will be fine. It's the money center banks that look to have gotten a big chunk of the shitpile. RBS is BIG. Citi is BIG.
...they are spoiled pussies but i just can't resist
Been there, done that.
Oh... cats! Never mind...
Pollan also points out you can't eat tofu without breaking a few voles.
Modern society is fucked up, in general. Gomez was very upset about the Walmart stampede yesterday. Let's face it: Black Friday (as it has become known) is an absolutely insane and shallow commemoration of a day that honors the superficiality of shopping for material goods at cheap prices. Most of the items people clamor for are unecessary plastic obects or clothing (and let's be honest, most people have too many clothes to begin with).
So he was saying that he wishes we could do something about that, but I told him that there's nothing we can do, because you can't really treat the symptom. We need to treat the root of the problems: avarice, selfishness, a lack of charity, loathing of looking inward, and most importantly, a lack of spiritual connectedness to those things that are other worldly.
Michael Pollan, in 'The Omnivore's Dilemma', makes a reasonable, though far from airtight, case that vegetarianism results in animal death as well, and that food animals can be dealt with humanely.
I became a vegetarian because I grew up on a farm and saw animals slaughtered. It's never humane.
I read some of his arguments but didn't think they were very well thought out. That more could be done doesn't mean that you shouldn't do as much as you can.
Of course the prof says it better than I can. But a small disagreement, prof-- anyone who has a garden knows that vegetarians kill all sorts of animals. I wash my lettuce, the slugs come off, down the drain where they no doubt die a cruel death (for a slug); I pick aphids off my beans, worms off the apple tree; I encourage lady bugs to kill the aphids, and that attracts the bats that eat the lady bugs... it's like we're all connected or something.
I'll say this to no one, because you're all up above:
sheets.
In Nozick's Philosophical Explanations, he argues that it is very difficult for people to morally justify slaughtering animals in a society like ours that has access to a rich variety of food that doesn't require it.
Pollan's argument is that you shouldn't torture them, make them sick and miserable before you kill them for food.
I like to point out that the purpose of domestic food animals is to convert stuff people don't eat into stuff they do. Grass, bugs, garbage. Feeding them all corn perverts something fundamental.
Moe Szyslak, more insects and small animals are killed in the production of grain to feed cattle than are killed in all the vegetarians gardens put together. The amount of grain needed to produce a unit of animal protein is far higher than it is to produce a unit of vegetable protein consumed directly.
Anthony: as you say, I don't think there's an airtight, coherent argument. And yet, it isn't hard to demonstrate that human activity impacts animals adversely in countless ways. Doing the best you can is just about the only way to live. But I'm really not sure what that is, or how to judge your idea of 'best' against mine, in such things. I've heard, for instance, that the act of having children is so harmful to animals and the ecosystem that it should be frowned upon. I've heard that all food should be eaten raw and uncooked, for ecological, philosophical and nutritional reasons. And so on. THe examples are myriad.
I guess I'm trying to say that we should be generous with each other, and that we should avoid gratuitous greed, cruelty and despoliation, while being mindful of the fact that an absolute definition of such conduct is elusive.
God, I hope Temecula gets destroyed. It's a vile cesspool of right-wing assholes who commute to work in San Diego or Orange County, and who hate anything good, liberal, and progressive about America.
Let it die. It's sick and diseased.
Temeucla is pure sprawl. It should never have been built. It is suburban placed on top of old wineries.
Once again the pointy head bosses fucked us over, because while the economic destruction of Temecula is real and will ruin lives, the goddamned place should never have been built.
Similarly, Phoenix/Scottsdale/Tempe/Anthem/Peoria/Glendale/
Buckeye/Chandler/Gilbert is 10,000% sprawl. Mostly built on the real-estate industry, expected to heat up with global warming, and can survive ONLY because of the country's largest nuke plant, and one with one of the poorer safety records.
And the light rail envisioned for this place is NOT being accompanied by urban planning but will have a few luxury condos built. (One recent one has $6,000 per month rent. Yeah RLY.)
I don't know what to do about Temecula, it used to be a very beautiful area.
http://blog.wired.com/
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I remember reading this and thinking,
"How wrong this will be"
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/0...n/
09brooks.html
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