I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
This isn't possible.
who are these 19%?
Or perhaps it is.
Matthew, i think I was in hospital with a few of them last week.
What's really interesting is to look at the change over time in the poll answers. It's still true that Americans are anti-government. Otherwise, 40% wouldn't say that they want less government at the beginning of a recession.
Matthew, i think I was in hospital with a few of them last week. - Sallyh
Urrrrk. You better now?
81%... damn.
m'out
later
Forgot to add that opinions have shifted towards the Democratic direction.
Bo, I hate to ask, but could I get a seltzer with a lemon slice?
one word solution to the wrong track: Obama
Matthew, i think I was in hospital with a few of them last week.
Sallyh
to think only 35% in 2003 with the war about to start and all that...
It should have been 81 then and near 100 now
Bo, little by little. My baby brother came out from the East Coast to be with me for the week. He's been tremendously supportive.
these bidnessmen are complete failures with money
fiscal frauds
Hmph. I go to all the trouble of creating a limerick and then everybody takes their drinks and goes out to the patio...
There once was a troll uninvited
Whose shit-throwing fits had delighted
Only a few
Ok, none that we knew
For his antics were regarded benighted...
ellroon | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 12:54 am
these bidnessmen are complete failures with money
They're not the only ones.
Howcome Atrios never posts any Pixies videos?
Does he have bad taste? Is he a Philistine?
madeline albright, war criminal, is mad at herself for answering leslie stahl so forthrightly.
when wikipedia says you are a war criminal you know it's time for a new communications team.
I hear Kissinger Associates is available, at a very reasonable per diem
This sounds like awesome news for Republicans.
Seltzer and slice, Madam. Lamentably, I must to bed. Good thoughts for you.
good one ellroon
OK, I've got to get to bed. They'll expect me in the morning at work
goodnight good peeps, be well
stupid DFHs were right!!
again!
Does he have bad taste? Is he a Philistine?
Duane V | 04.04.08 - 12:59 am | #
more of a moabite, i think...
.
Time for Hillary to resign or face impeachment.
Now I want a peach pie so bad.
Okay, birdies say...goodnight!
when wikipedia says you are a war criminal you know it's time for a new communications team.
We are on the same track Saint Ronnie and Newt and Poppy and Big Time and Chimpy and all their ratfucking friends laid out for us. If people don't like where it's headed maybe they should think twice about dancing again with them what brung 'em here.
Here I sit, broken hearted,
Tried to think and only farted.
when wikipedia says you are a war criminal you know it's time for a new communications team.
Wikipedia says the population of African elephants has exploded in the last ten years.
The poll found that Americans blame government officials for the crisis more than banks or home buyers and other borrowers. Forty percent of respondents said regulators were mostly to blame, while 28 percent named lenders and 14 percent named borrowers.
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smart people. americans.
Howcome Atrios never posts any Pixies videos?
He's the last splash.
goodnight good peeps, be well
::matthew
Goodnight ::matthew!
Mark Green is a DLC punk. Malloy is right. Randi had every right to use the F word in a standup routine. Green is muzzling her because he's a Clinton kiss-ass.
only fitting to feature sanity for the late night selection, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...h?
v=uVHKQMzlVe4
Sallyh bags a frist? Nicely played!
Good night peeps. I'm out.
Exploding elephants is Africa's greatest problem.
This is what it looks like when 47 visitors are online and only three are posting.
In assessing possible responses to the mortgage crisis, Americans displayed a populist streak, favoring help for individuals but not financial institutions. A clear majority said they did not want the government to lend a hand to banks, even if the measures would help limit the depth of a recession.
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smart people.
really an amazing pole.
He's the last splash.
JeffCO
I'd settle for the Breeders..
keep passing the open windows. i'll be checking back for "sanity" on de front page, a-man
people not like murderous war bad economy ignorance as national policy? unpossible!
Hussein D, sorry, I'm still a little slow on the uptake.
This is what it looks like when 47 visitors are online and only three are posting.
Hussein Doghiney (D-TX)
I peeked in when there were only 6 last night. That's when I start singing Singing in the Rain and tap dancing. But it never seems to wake up the keyboard snoozers...
It's Friday in Texas, so I'm going to bed.
Peace out, freakazoids.
American people to GOP: you give us a headache!
At the same time, 68 percent said they favored trade restrictions to protect domestic industries, instead of allowing unrestrained trade. In early 1996, 55 percent favored such restrictions.
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68%!!!!!!
an with that bedtimes.
Forty percent of respondents said regulators were mostly to blame, while 28 percent named lenders and 14 percent named borrowers.
How many are ready to blame regulators because they're too few, and how many because they're too many?
De-regulation has been preached as gospel for a generation now, and it will take a generation to reverse.
How long has it been since the Republicans delivered a balanced budget? Yet who's the party of fiscal responsibility?
I believe it was Max Planck who said that new theories in physics don't get adopted so much as all the physicists who believed the old theories die.
Politics seems little different.
JeffCO I don't think I complemented you for your "H______ to good from them" pun.
Please repeat it for the rest of the night crew.
(This is like when an audience member yells out "FREE BIRD" okay not exactly like that, but you get the idea)
Forty percent of respondents said regulators were mostly to blame, while 28 percent named lenders and 14 percent named borrowers.
What regulators? The non-bank institutions are not under that kind of a regulation.
Hey Spocko, how're you doing?
In the poll, 81 percent of respondents said they believed that “things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track,” up from 69 percent a year ago and 35 percent in early 2003.
The thing that saddens me is that a whole bunch of these people are going to buy the "straight shooter/Maverick" garbage from the media and vote for McCain in November despite their dissatisfaction. Hopefully not enough for him to win, but certainly enough to make it a lot closer than it should be.
I'd settle for the Breeders..
They have a new album and tour- such a Deal!
In the poll, 81 percent of respondents said they believed that “things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track,” up from 69 percent a year ago and 35 percent in early 2003.
Yet, McCain is leading Obama in the polls? Are people really that stupid, or are the pollsters full of shit?
i like this one so much that i'll post it again, and very relevant it is to the thread topic:
1946 US government movie on DESPOTISM vs DEMOCRACY
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spocko!
You're just in time for me to bid everyone a good night.
Good Night batses.
I peeked in when there were only 6 last night. That's when I start singing Singing in the Rain and tap dancing. But it never seems to wake up the keyboard snoozers...
The six may have been reading a different thread. I think the number includes all people on all the threads.
They have a new album and tour- such a Deal!
JeffCO |
Kelly or Kim?
You know, when General Shinseki posited that it would taked several hundred thousand soldiers to take Iraq, it wasn't rocket science that made Wolfowicz and Rumsfeld publicly ridicule him.
They all knew that scale of ongoing foreign military US commitment would require a draft.
Echidne, I shall bake you a peach pie with butter crust in the near future.
I would just like to point out that in the last, say, 20 years, rich people (Hussein, Bin Laden, Bush) have killed more persons than poor people. Odd fact.
JeffCO I don't think I complemented you for your "H______ to good from them" pun. Please repeat it for the rest of the night crew.
♪ If I leave here tomorrrrrrrrrrrrrowwwwww, would you still remember meeeeeeeeee....
Aww, Sallyh. Looking forward to that pie. Now I'm going to make some green tea.
rich people (Hussein, Bin Laden, Bush) have killed more persons than poor people. Odd fact.
leibniz♘☮ |
They always have.
Yet, McCain is leading Obama in the polls? Are people really that stupid, or are the pollsters full of shit?
Duane V | 04.04.08 - 1:09 am | #
i have an article bookmarked on another computer that shows that the candidate leading in the polls in the spring has, more often than not, lost in the fall
general election polls can't be expected to begin to reflect the reality of the election until after labor day at the earliest...
.
Echidne, I haven't brought anything to the party lately but misery, but I want that to change soon. I'll start with treats.
google searches...
"jazz sucks" 3,740
"rap sucks" 80,400
"punk sucks" 28.500
"heavy metal sucks" 5,230
"rock sucks" 34,500
"disco sucks" 75,800
Wrong track?
hell, the train left the track a while back and plunged off a big cliff.
Sallyh. I'm doing great. I got to meet a bunch of wonderful Atriots in Philly last weekend and when I got back I got some other good news.
The energy there was so great.
The god damn plane has crashed into the mountain!
4Legs, sometime around December 2000.
I hope Sandra Day O'Connor lies awake nights.
i have an article bookmarked on another computer that shows that the candidate leading in the polls in the spring has, more often than not, lost in the fall
I know Clinton was behind even Ross Perot at one point back in 1992.
Good night everyone!
Breeders tour dates
JeffCO |
Thanks!!
(Mark Green Sucks 100,000 searches)
Spocko, I was pretty heartbroken not to be there, and even more so that I was too sick even if I'd been available.
Yet, McCain is leading Obama in the polls? Are people really that stupid, or are the pollsters full of shit?
Duane V | 04.04.08 - 1:09 am | #
Knocking on doors for obama and going to the convention and caucus forced me to talk politics with all sorts of people - and I came to the conclusion that McCain's brand as "mr. integrity" is very strong.
I hope Sandra Day O'Connor lies awake nights.
Me too.
hell, the train left the track a while back and plunged off a big cliff.
We've been into sith lord territory for a few years now.
We've been into sith lord territory for a few years now.
Where's my fucking lightsabre?
I guess it really was "no bye, no aloha.."
hell, the train left the track a while back and plunged off a big cliff.
It's the Wabash Cannonball!
Good night David (Austin Tx)
Night 4LG
and I came to the conclusion that McCain's brand as "mr. integrity" is very strong.
rootless-e |
And very, very WRONG.
Hagueing too good for 'em!
Good night everyone! fourlegsgood
I came to the conclusion that McCain's brand as "mr. integrity" is very strong.
The bullshit narrative. Fuck the fucking media. They are a far worse threat to this country than Osama could ever dream to be.
Air America needs to reinstate Randi Rhoads, now.
And very, very WRONG.
Duane V | 04.04.08 - 1:16 am | #
what does that have to do with it?
the question is whether it can be broken and then whether the eventual dem nominee can do it, and if not whether someone else can/will.
If Hillary gets the nomination, I suspect her crack team will run against "our honorable friend" and thereby do the standard dem trick of accepting the framing of the opponent.
So if hillary is the nominee, it will need a smart independent group to beat mccain.
and I came to the conclusion that McCain's brand as "mr. integrity" is very strong.
rootless-e |
And very, very WRONG.
Veveeta's brand as cheese is also both very strong, and very, very wrong.
This is the result of having a nation where marketing is a college major.
Davis, finally, this past year, the business dept. took over teaching its majors their own watery version of stats.
Beats having them in my classes.
I haven't brought anything to the party lately but misery, but I want that to change soon.
If we don't take turns sourcing and receiving we all stagnate.
google...
"McCain sucks" 13,500
"Hillary sucks" 23,500
"Obama sucks" 23,700
they're having remarkable success in refining the question toward the one they can push-poll and get unanimous consent.
This is the result of having a nation where marketing is a college major.
Davis X. Machina | 04.04.08 - 1:20 am | #
I think it is the result of having a nation where the opposition considers marketing to be beneath them. Some of the obama hatred out there is due to his unwillingness to provide the dull lists that some of the democratic party faithful take to be evidence of substance.
The bullshit narrative. Fuck the fucking media. They are a far worse threat to this country than Osama could ever dream to be.
Richard |
McCain is a racist warmongering unbalanced old fuck. He is a whore, who kissed the ass of the person who smeared his family, just to achieve his current status as the nominee of the Repug party.
The media is simply fawning over him, from C-Span, to the three networks, CNN, etc. It is absolutely disgusting.
McCain also has the media on his side. He must be serving some real delicacies to them.
google...
"McCain sucks" 13,500
"Hillary sucks" 23,500
"Obama sucks" 23,700
too bad. I bet Walnuts could give pretty good hummer with the teeth out.
We really had it good after WWII. Jesus Criminy we had it good. We ran through cheap oil, cheap food, cheap everything like a bunch of locusts with no thought about tomorrow.
Hagueing too good for 'em!
spocko |
I've got the piano wire if you've got the lamppost!
We really had it good after WWII. Jesus Criminy we had it good. We ran through cheap oil, cheap food, cheap everything like a bunch of locusts with no thought about tomorrow.
You did, didn't you?
McCain also has the media on his side. He must be serving some real delicacies to them.
Echidne | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 1:24 am | #
the theme that mccain is less dishonest than the other democratic candidate (the one the speaker is not supporting) is pretty common on taylor-marsh and correntewire and i heard it from a wide selection of obama supporters who are not traditional democrats too.
i heard it from a wide selection of obama supporters who are not traditional democrats too.
rootless-e
At least he's honest about the Gooks, huh?
Duane V. That was JeffCOs line. I don't advocate violence. I want to be clear.
It was a pun.
the theme that mccain is less dishonest than the other democratic candidate (the one the speaker is not supporting) is pretty common on taylor-marsh and correntewire and i heard it from a wide selection of obama supporters who are not traditional democrats too.
And the theme comes from the media.
I don't advocate violence. I want to be clear.
It was a pun.
spocko
Neither do I.
You did, didn't you?
Echidne
I was the youngest of four, born in 1960 Northern Virginia suburbia.
I really was worryless until puberty.
Can't people joke about Benito Mussolini anymore?
And the theme comes from the media.
Echidne | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 1:28 am | #
Yes.
But people are buying it so far.
Dean understands that, i'm confident the obama people understand it, i'm confident that the clinton people do not.
we are all victims of the media narrative, about all of the candidates
.
The thing that really freaks me, is that if Senator Obama gets elected to the Oval Office, I will have a President who is younger than I am.
We ran through cheap oil,
still do. the big mistake was the internal combustion engine. you'll never get better than 50% energy efficiency with those; you're doing well to get 20%. Even hybrids have the architectural problems that bring engine efficiency way down.
Fully electric vehicles are the way to go. Lithium battery technology is rapidly getting us there. Small ICEs for hybrid long-range highway vehicles until hydrogen cells are widely available.
Then we can start addressing the problem of the filthy technology that generates our electricity.
And the theme comes from the media.
As corrupt an institution as there is today.
Duane V. That was JeffCOs line. I don't advocate violence. I want to be clear. It was a pun.
Forgive 'em - it'll teach 'em a lesson.
rootless-e
lambert is flushing the corrente wire brand down the drain. as is jeralyn merritt over at Talk Left.
don't worry about the the Clintonista dead-enders like Jerome Armstrong, or lambert, or taylor marsh.
honest to goodness Clinton supporters like ChiDyke etc will vote for President Obama, so don't worry about the dead-enders like lambert. one can only have one's head up one's ass for so long.
though it is interesting to watch how brand "liberal" plays out this primary
By the way, two clicks down you have this wonderful page rootless-e
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
And you can drill down to the next step and get even MORE details!
We can't force people to click and read. But if the narrative is "there are no details" well by gum we will believe the narrative vs. Going to the place where detail are actually listed.
I hate Powerpoint slides where the person says, "You probably can't read this because it's too small" because they jammed all the details in a format that isn't designed from more than 3 or 4 bullet points.
You want details? They exist. If it's not enough for some people, well then that is a different story. Start with what exists.
But people are buying it so far.
Dean understands that, i'm confident the obama people understand it, i'm confident that the clinton people do not.
rootless-e
I don't think so. I think the media echo chamber is just bouncing the fictional narrative back and forth constantly. I'm sick of the bullshit.
Can't people joke about Benito Mussolini anymore?
Mussolini invented wet T-shirt night, which is why he was called Il Douche. It's a fact!
Alls I know about the Boomer parents is that whatever challenges they faced, they found a way to fuck. A lot.
here's from hillary's speech to afl-cio in pa
. But I am here to tell you, Senator John McCain, a friend of mine, someone whose service to our country I admire, is only offering more of the same.
Mussolini invented wet T-shirt night, which is why he was called Il Douche. It's a fact!
JeffCO
They only wore black shirts because it was after Labor Day!
I was the youngest of four, born in 1960 Northern Virginia suburbia.
I really was worryless until puberty.
As it should have been, of course.
a 50 State Strategy:
Improve Public Schools: From the moment our children step into a classroom, the single most important factor in determining their achievement is their teacher. Barack Obama values teachers and the central role that they play in education. He will work to ensure competent, effective teachers in schools that are organized for success. Obama's K-12 plan will expand service scholarships to recruit and prepare teachers who commit to working in underserved districts. To support teachers, Obama will foster ongoing improvements in teacher education, provide mentoring for beginning teachers, create incentives for shared planning and learning time for teachers. To retain teachers, Obama will support career pathways that provide ongoing professional development and reward accomplished teachers for their expertise. This Career Ladder initiative will help eliminate teacher shortages in hard-to-staff areas and subjects, improve teacher retention rates, strengthen teacher preparation programs, improve professional development, and better utilize and reward accomplished teachers.
big mistake was the internal combustion engine
chapter in future history books:
Reality As Dramatic Narrative In The Petroleum Era
"... as it became increasingly necessary to influence the public understanding of government actions in order to hide the extant that economic actions served the petroleum industry more than than they served the community... puppet shows such as meaningless conflicts between political figures served to give the impression that ordinary people still had an influence on policy..."
.
Wikipedia says the population of African elephants has exploded in the last ten years.
Was it like a string of fire crackers or more like roman candles?
Mussolini invented wet T-shirt night
Upside down wet T-shirt night might be a decent homage to him.
We can't force people to click and read. But if the narrative is "there are no details" well by gum we will believe the narrative vs. Going to the place where detail are actually listed.
Hey, Spocko, you may remember Art Agnos' successful run for mayor of SF in the late 80s when he put a copy of a little paperback book on everybody's doorstep that detailed all his proposals. It made a big impact and may have got him elected.
Why more politicians don't do that sort of thing, I don't know. The internet's great, but it's passive. When someone says "Whaddaya gonna do about...?", which is the better response: to say "if you go to www-dot and look up my paper on..." or to hand them a printed book and say "turn to page 42"?
You want details? They exist. If it's not enough for some people, well then that is a different story. Start with what exists.
spocko | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 1:35 am | #
My assessment is that some of the die-hard anti-obamians have deep attachment to a certain image of seriousness. This is not a serious concern about issues - but a concern about what signals they are convinced convey seriousness. And, at the bottom, some of that is race and age. A younger black kid who has Obama's style of speaking strikes them as less serious than an older woman wearing reading glasses and providing a list - no matter how vacuous the list.
Everyone in the "activist" side of the electorate wants to believe themselves to be seeing through the hype that the others are falling for (myself included, of course).
¿There may be some nice points in this editorial, but is Bob "8 to 0" Shrum the one joo want making them?
Pffft.
i'm finding ways to fuck a lot and i am
Can't people joke about Benito Mussolini anymore?
Benito Mussolini walks into a bar and says, 'The trains aren't running on time!" and the bartender says
"Put them on my bill!"
Alls I know about the Boomer parents is that whatever challenges they faced, they found a way to fuck. A lot.
(whoops) i'm finding ways to fuck a lot and i am
Hey, El Gato - I'm rooting for your cousin in the Kentucky Derby this year!
Thirty Helens agree: time for bed! G'night beautiful Atriosians!
night JeffCO!!
die-hard anti-obamians
i have real trouble understanding how any democrat supporting one of the candidates can have a serious problem voting for the other in the general
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Benito Mussolini, George Bush and Adolf Hitler walk into a bar..George says, "I'd like to order a round for me and my buddies!", Hitler and Mussolini look at each other and say, simultaneously, "Who's the monkey?"
I may be a cult of one, but I think Tom Brokaw was a hideous example of good US jounalism.
I've got the Office on in the background. It is very funny.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/
ne...id=a1x33cpzAa4Y
In the poll, 81 percent of respondents said they believed that “things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track”...
81% of Americans Believe We're on the Wrong Track -
The Other 19% Support John McCain
I've got the Office on in the background. It is very funny.
My lovely wife is watching Season One of "Soap."
Billy Crystal just made a Woodward and Bernstein joke...
I don't want "aw, shucks" anymore. "Aw, shucks" is a shitty way to run a nation the size of the United States.
I want smart people to run things.
shrum is a god! now i understand.
out of afghanistan now!
shrum is a god! now i understand.
notaboomer
Mysterious are the ways of the shrum...
And fuck the Pennsylvania "Reagan Democrats". They can kiss my ass for churning out generation after generation of people who are pissed because nobody wants to buy the shit they make at the local plant.
I don't want "aw, shucks" anymore. "Aw, shucks" is a shitty way to run a nation the size of the United States.
I want smart people to run things.
MP
But "folksy" plays so well in the Red States...Can't have beer with a nerd!
the berube story on tpm about obama and the llama was funny in an enraging sort of way.
fuck the Pennsylvania "Reagan Democrats".
I just wish they'd stop voting repug..
As Paul Krugman said at EscahCon 08 "The Week dollar is all we have going for us."
But "folksy" plays so well in the Red States...Can't have beer with a nerd!
Duane V | 04.04.08 - 1:57 am | #
So the smart big city liberals at correntewire spent a big part of the day explaining why obama's ham sandwich showed him to be an upper class elitist.
Chuckleheadism is not confined to the red states.
dave™© -- you never write anymore....you never call...is it my breath?
Chuckleheadism is not confined to the red states.
rootless-e |
I'm SHOCKED. SHOCKED, I tell you...
Arkansas really is a red state:
http://www.goes.noaa.gov/ECIR4.html
ok i couldn't findy any llama obama story at tpm but i did see that ronpaul is back so my neighbor's plan of keeping his rp yard sign up worked.
though it is interesting to watch how brand "liberal" plays out this primary
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 04.04.08 - 1:35 am | #
yes indeed.
Obama's speech to the AFL-CIO is really good.
http://www.barackobama.com/2008/
...arack_oba_3.php
Compared to Hillary's speech to the same group, it is quite radical.
Oh, shit, it's back...
perhaps it's this simple
hrc=boomer
obama=notaboomer
(mcpain=too short to be preznit)
No....
hrc=boomer
obama=notaboomer
(mcpain=too INSANE to be preznit)
notaboomer
As Paul Krugman said at EscahCon 08 "The Week dollar is all we have going for us."
spocko
Erin Burnett on MSNBC said the same thing. Said that the weak dollar is buying us time.
Bérubé
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo...s_lama_problem/
Said that the weak dollar is buying us time.
MP
And it used to buy us so much more time than it does now...
The dollar is just a piece of paper
the weak dollar is at least a better way to make american products and workers more competitive in the world market than the republican prescription of making us as exploited and unprotected as workers in the 3rd world
.
yes
(mcpain=too INSANE to be preznit)
now please put this up for latenight someone in the inner circle of blogtopia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...h?
v=uVHKQMzlVe4
Well, it’s true that I find the process by which Hillary Clinton became a certified, tested-and-vetted Working-Class Hero® one of the strangest things I have witnessed in my lifetime, but let me try to make things right.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.../ps_i_lama_you/
I wish I could write half as well as this guy.
Olbermann is right...
GOP Rep. Darrell Issa under fire from everywhere after 9/11 comments
BY RICHARD SISK and MICHAEL McCAULIFF
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Thursday, April 3rd 2008, 4:00 AM
Hamburg/News
San Diego GOP Rep. Darrell Issa was under siege for suggesting the federal government had already done enough to help New York cope with 'a fire' that 'simply was an aircraft' hitting the WTC.
WASHINGTON - The California congressman who called the Sept. 11 attacks "simply" a plane crash ran for cover Wednesday under a barrage of ridicule from fellow Republicans, first responders and victims' families.San Diego GOP Rep. Darrell Issa was under siege for suggesting the federal government had already done enough to help New York cope with "a fire" that "simply was an aircraft" hitting the World Trade Center.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/
...e_from_eve.html
I don't understand how having a weak dollar is good, any more than I see how the government borrowing heavily is righteous, compared to an individual borrowing heavily.
But I would do Erin Burnett in a second, even with a weak dollar.
the weak dollar is at least a better way to make american products and workers more competitive in the world market than the republican prescription of making us as exploited and unprotected as workers in the 3rd world
.
Tacitus Gore Voltaire | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 2:12 am | #
The weak dollar is a pay decrease for most americans - petroleum and petroleum driven costs (trucking), imported goods, ...
Is this lower than the lowest rating during the Vietnam Era?
War Is A Racket
US Lawmakers Have As Much As $196 Million Invested In "Defense" Companies
By The Associated Press
03/04/08 "AP" -- -- WASHINGTON: Members of the U.S.Congress have as much as $196 million (126.2 million) collectively invested in companies doing business with the Defense Department, earning millions since the start of the Iraq war, according to a new study by a nonpartisan research group.The review of lawmakers' 2006 financial disclosure statements, by the Washington-based Center for Responsive Politics, suggests that members' holdings could pose a conflict of interest as they decide the fate of Iraq war spending. Several members who earned the most from defense contractors have plum committee or leadership assignments, including Democratic Sen. John Kerry, independent Sen. Joseph Lieberman and House Republican Whip Roy Blunt.
The study found that more Republicans than Democrats hold stock in defense companies, but that the Democrats who are invested had significantly more money at stake. In 2006, for example, Democrats held at least $3.7 million (€2.3 million) in military-related investments, compared to Republican investments of $577,500 (€372,000).
Overall, 151 members hold investments worth $78.7 million (€50.6 million) to $195.5 million (€125.9 million) in companies that receive defense contracts that are worth at least $5 million (€3.2 million). These investments earned them anywhere between $15.8 million (€10.1 million) and $62 million (€39.9 million) between 2004 and 2006, the center concludes.It is unclear how many members still hold these investments and exactly how much money has been made. Disclosure reports for 2007 are not due until this May. Also, members are required to report only a general range of their holdings.According to the report, presidential hopefuls Barack Obama and John McCain did not report any defense-related holdings on their filings; Hillary Rodham Clinton did note holdings in such companies as Honeywell, Boeing and Raytheon, but sold the stock in May 2007. All three are members of the Senate.Not all the companies invested in by lawmakers are typical defense contractors. Corporations such as PepsiCo, IBM, Microsoft and Johnson & Johnson have at one point received defense-related contracts, the report notes."So common are these companies, both as personal investments and as defense contractors, it would appear difficult to build a diverse blue-chip stock portfolio without at least some of them," wrote the center's Lindsay Renick Mayer.Still, earning dividends from companies tied to the military "could be problematic" for members that oversee defense policy and budgeting, Mayer adds.Kerry, a Democrat, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is identified as earning the most at least $2.6 million between 2004 and 2006 from investments worth up to $38.2 million (€24.6 million).
http://
www.informationclearingho...rticle19672.htm
dave™©,
that sounds like a safe bet...
(bathes nonchalanly)
ooop, I must uh.. relinquish the computer for a bit.
Back later, hopefully.
Hasta.
thank you again rootless. read berube piece and visited most of the links. great stuff. that hrc-scaife photo is something. good read. good night.
I came to the conclusion that McCain's brand as "mr. integrity" is very strong.
rootless-e
That will be easy to dismantle.
Joey Scars is a typical passive aggressive Rethug douchebag.
He'll make statements like "I'll never apologize for loving Jesus, and my SUV."
22 visitors?
Sheesh. It's early yet!
That will be easy to dismantle.
Steve J. | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 2:26 am | #
If Hillary is the nominee, it will be up to some 527 or something to do the work, because she will not.
The weak dollar is a pay decrease for most americans - petroleum and petroleum driven costs (trucking), imported goods, ...
rootless-e | 04.04.08 - 2:19 am | #
true, in as far as we are paying more for imported goods. and, in as much as the cost of petroleum is added to everything made or shipped anywhere, and more than 50% of our petroleum is from overseas, this holds true. in this regard it is like the 19th century tariff wars, where tariffs on raw materials hurt manufacturers who needed them, and tariffs on finished goods hurt those who consumed them
but although the weak dollar overall makes goods more expensive, we have a bigger and much more longterm problem: the strong dollar plus good workplace and environmental protections (better than some places, like china, anyway) make us an expensive place to build things. so, the weak dollar makes goods more expensive (overall), but it also makes it cheaper to build things here than it was when the dollar was stronger. hypothetically, if it keeps up we might be able to keep more jobs from going to exploited chinese workers and maybe even begin to draw them back here
but the cheneys of this country have been talking for years of how we need to accomplish this same goal by getting rid of benefits and workplace and environmental protection, so the weak dollar mitigates against the arguments of these social darwinist plutocrats
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That will be easy to dismantle.
Steve J.
I sincerely doubt the fawning corporate media will allow it.
the only way hrc can win is to play the sax on letterman
Sometimes you think that the Rethugs are just putting us on. They can't really go around being that fucked in the head.
Then they start attacking people abroad, and domestically, and you think, "Wow, who in the fuck raised these people to hate everyone?"
the only way hrc can win is to play the sax on letterman
notaboomer
Not so fast. Watch Obama bust out the electric guitar and play the Star Spangled Banner, ala Jimi Hendrix.
"Wow, who in the fuck raised these people to hate everyone?"
MP |
They were all spawned by Barbara Bush.
If Hillary is the nominee, it will be up to some 527 or something to do the work, because she will not.
I agree and that's why I favor Obama.
If Obama comes within 5 points of Hillary in teh Pennsylvania primary, she really should call it a day.
If Obama comes within 5 points of Hillary in teh Pennsylvania primary, she really should call it a day.
MP
She should do that anyway.
That will be easy to dismantle.
Steve J.
I sincerely doubt the fawning corporate media will allow it.
DuaneV, AtriosiousBehavior
Maybe, maybe not. I think MM's book will help.
If Barack Obama votes well in Pennsy, it'll turn from long shot, to just sad.
Published on Thursday, April 3, 2008 by Salon.com
Why Doesn’t the 9/11 Commission Know About Mukasey’s 9/11 Story?
by Glenn Greenwald
Last week, during a question-and-answer session following a speech he delivered San Francisco, Attorney General Michael Mukasey revealed a startling and extremely newsworthy fact. As I wrote last Saturday, Mukasey claimed that, prior to 9/11, the Bush administration was aware of a telephone call being made by an Al Qaeda Terrorist from what he called a “safe house in Afghanistan” into the U.S., but failed to eavesdrop on that call. Some help is needed from readers here to generate the attention for this story that it requires.
In that speech, Mukasey blamed FISA’s warrant requirement for the failure to eavesdrop on that call — an assertion which is, for multiple reasons that I detailed in that post, completely false. He then tearfully claimed that FISA therefore caused the deaths of “three thousand people who went to work that day.” For obvious reasons, the Attorney Geenral’s FISA falsehoods themselves are extremely newsworthy, but it is the story he told about the pre-9/11-planning call from Afghanistan itself that is truly new, and truly extraordinary.
Critically, the 9/11 Commission Report — intended to be a comprehensive account of all relevant pre-9/11 activities — makes no mention whatsoever of the episode Mukasey described. What has been long publicly reported in great detail are multiple calls that were made between a global communications hub in Yemen and the U.S. — calls which the NSA did intercept without warrants (because, contrary to Mukasey’s lie, FISA does not and never did require a warrant for eavesdropping on foreign targets) but which, for some unknown reason, the NSA failed to share with the FBI and other agencies. But the critical pre-9/11 episode Mukasey described last week is nowhere to be found in the 9/11 Report or anywhere else. It just does not exist.
http://www.commondreams.org/arch...008/04/03/8071/
I'll tell you who could play the sax on Letterman: Tommy Newsome.
A melancholy song for a melancholy night ---
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=U...feature=related
If Hillary is the nominee, it will be up to some 527 or something to do the work, because she will not.
I agree and that's why I favor Obama.
Steve J. | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 2:34 am | #
you guys are putting an awful lot of faith in your ability to predict hillary's behavior in this. on what evidence i do not know. it isn't as if barack doesn't preface every remark about mccain with an encomium on him being a war hero, and barack is also another senator who has even worked with mccain on bills together
both barack and hillary have gotten the news from the party to stop attacking each other and to start to concentrate their fire on mccain, and they have. hillary's latest 3am ad specifically targets mccain by name. is that a bad thing?
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Hillamonster is now claiming she was the bombardier on the Enola Gay.
With apportioned delegates, there really is no way for Hillary to win the pledged delegate race, and she well knows this.
you guys are putting an awful lot of faith in your ability to predict hillary's behavior in this. on what evidence i do not know. it isn't as if barack doesn't preface every remark about mccain with an encomium on him being a war hero, and barack is also another senator who has even worked with mccain on bills together
This is not based on faith. Obama's story is "McCain WAS someone who performed heroic deeds" and Hillary's is "McCain IS my friend and IS admirable". Obama frames McCain as a shell and there is absolutely nothing in Hillary's history to give me any confidence she can figure that out.
"Beer Executive Could Be Next First Lady"
http://news.aol.com/elections/
st...403090509990001
Cindy McCain's loaded. And, she has a lot of money.
Funny how Bill is way into allowing the thing to go to convention now. I bet he was adamantly opposed to such a thing in 1992.
you guys are putting an awful lot of faith in your ability to predict hillary's behavior in this. on what evidence i do not know.
She's been too cordial and supportive to McWAR.
Published on Wednesday, April 2, 2008 by TomDispatch.com
Empire or Humanity?
What the Classroom Didn’t Teach Me About the American Empire
by Howard Zinn
With an occupying army waging war in Iraq and Afghanistan, with military bases and corporate bullying in every part of the world, there is hardly a question any more of the existence of an American Empire. Indeed, the once fervent denials have turned into a boastful, unashamed embrace of the idea.However, the very idea that the United States was an empire did not occur to me until after I finished my work as a bombardier with the Eighth Air Force in the Second World War, and came home. Even as I began to have second thoughts about the purity of the “Good War,” even after being horrified by Hiroshima and Nagasaki, even after rethinking my own bombing of towns in Europe, I still did not put all that together in the context of an American “Empire.”
I was conscious, like everyone, of the British Empire and the other imperial powers of Europe, but the United States was not seen in the same way. When, after the war, I went to college under the G.I. Bill of Rights and took courses in U.S. history, I usually found a chapter in the history texts called “The Age of Imperialism.” It invariably referred to the Spanish-American War of 1898 and the conquest of the Philippines that followed. It seemed that American imperialism lasted only a relatively few years. There was no overarching view of U.S. expansion that might lead to the idea of a more far-ranging empire — or period of “imperialism.”I recall the classroom map (labeled “Western Expansion”) which presented the march across the continent as a natural, almost biological phenomenon. That huge acquisition of land called “The Louisiana Purchase” hinted at nothing but vacant land acquired. There was no sense that this territory had been occupied by hundreds of Indian tribes which would have to be annihilated or forced from their homes — what we now call “ethnic cleansing” — so that whites could settle the land, and later railroads could crisscross it, presaging “civilization” and its brutal discontents.Neither the discussions of “Jacksonian democracy” in history courses, nor the popular book by Arthur Schlesinger Jr., The Age of Jackson, told me about the “Trail of Tears,” the deadly forced march of “the five civilized tribes” westward from Georgia and Alabama across the Mississippi, leaving 4,000 dead in their wake. No treatment of the Civil War mentioned the Sand Creek massacre of hundreds of Indian villagers in Colorado just as “emancipation” was proclaimed for black people by Lincoln’s administration.
http://www.commondreams.org/arch...008/04/02/8031/
Married to a beer heiress?
OMFG: It's the redneck dream come true!
This is not based on faith. Obama's story is "McCain WAS someone who performed heroic deeds" and Hillary's is "McCain IS my friend and IS admirable". Obama frames McCain as a shell and there is absolutely nothing in Hillary's history to give me any confidence she can figure that out.
rootless-e | 04.04.08 - 2:43 am | #
hillary's latest 3am ad says "john mccan has told us that he isn't even going to pick up the phone" or something very close. what has barack being doing lately to train his fire on mccain as effectively?
i want to see both of them compete to show us how effective they can be in attacking mccain & the "conservative philosophy" before i decide the issue in advance based on arguments and extrapolations - they have the chance to do this right now...
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Here's Obama:
What no one disputes is that President Bush has done what no other President has ever done, and given tax cuts to the rich in a time of war. John McCain once opposed these tax cuts - he rightly called them unfair and fiscally irresponsible. But now he has done an about face and wants to make them permanent, just like he wants a permanent occupation in Iraq. No matter what the costs, no matter what the consequences, John McCain seems determined to carry out a third Bush-term.
And here is Hillary
And the need to change course couldn’t be more urgent. But I am here to tell you, Senator John McCain, a friend of mine, someone whose service to our country I admire, is only offering more of the same.
John McCain admits he doesn’t understand the economy - and unfortunately he’s proving that day after day on the campaign trail.
To me, the difference is very stark. For Hillary, McCain IS a friend who is wrong - she plays into his honorable integrity bullshit story. For Obama, McCain USED TO oppose this crap, but has changed his story - he has flipped. Obama is directly challenging McCain's core image.
And I don't think McCain is going around telling audiences that Hillary is a friend of his or that she has an admirable service record.
The nominee is going to be Obama. We all know it. We've known it for a while now. I suppose we're figuring out what Hillary is going to demand, in order to stand down.
To me, the difference is very stark. For Hillary, McCain IS a friend who is wrong - she plays into his honorable integrity bullshit story. For Obama, McCain USED TO oppose this crap, but has changed his story - he has flipped. Obama is directly challenging McCain's core image.
i just don't see it. from my point of view going on your two examples, hillary is every bit as cutting as barack
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Tacitus -
Hillary may start attacking McWAR now but Obama has been doing so for weeks.
And I don't think McCain is going around telling audiences that Hillary is a friend of his or that she has an admirable service record.
rootless-e
BINGO!
John McCain seems determined to carry out a third Bush-term.
A third Bush term.
Jesus. Talk about a devastating meme.
Well, there's only one thing I have to say about that:
::::::::FART!:::::::::
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Time to turn in. 'Nite, Atriots..
Remember all that crap about Teresa Heinz Kerry's fortune? The ridicule that came Kerry's way because his wife was wealthy?
"The reports show Cindy McCain has at least $9 million in assets on her own and at least $15 million with the McCain children. But those figures are virtually meaningless; her stake in Hensley & Co. alone almost certainly exceeds them by tens of millions of dollars.
Beverage industry analysts estimate Hensley's value at more than $250 million and its annual sales at $300 million or more. Hensley describes itself as the third-largest Anheuser-Busch wholesaler in the United States. It sold more than 23 million cases of beer last year and is among the nation's biggest beer distributors regardless of brand."
McCain hosted the press at HIS cabin in Sedona, Arizona? Sure he did ...
Here's Obama:
What no one disputes is that President Bush has done what no other President has ever done, and given tax cuts to the rich in a time of war. John McCain once opposed these tax cuts - he rightly called them unfair and fiscally irresponsible. But now he has done an about face and wants to make them permanent, just like he wants a permanent occupation in Iraq. No matter what the costs, no matter what the consequences, John McCain seems determined to carry out a third Bush-term.
And here is Hillary
And the need to change course couldn’t be more urgent. But I am here to tell you, Senator John McCain, a friend of mine, someone whose service to our country I admire, is only offering more of the same.
John McCain admits he doesn’t understand the economy - and unfortunately he’s proving that day after day on the campaign trail.
i think this is pretty good stuff, and just what we need. i am so happy to see that our candidates have gotten the news, and are training fire on the enemy instead of each other. this kind of stuff means that we will stop hurting from the competition to cut each other down, and begin to make progress again
i refuse to play the game that pits democrats against democrats. it isn't gonna get us where we want to go
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The reports show Cindy McCain has at least $9 million in assets on her own
She didn't fucking earn that money. And McCain doubly didn't.
"only offering more of the same"
"admits he doesn't understand the economy"
you think this is being friendly to mccain????
????
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i just don't see it. from my point of view going on your two examples, hillary is every bit as cutting as barack
.
Tacitus Gore Voltaire | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 2:51 am | #
That's because you are approaching this from a logic/reason point of view and I'm looking at marketing.
He's a good guy, an honest man, a hero, who happens to be very wrong
versus
He used to be an honest guy who admitted that Bush was a fuckup, but he flipflopped and now says everything is great and we need more of the same.
By Avi Issacharoff
Hamas supports the united Palestinian position calling for the establishment of a fully sovereign Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, including Jerusalem, and the right of return for refugees, Hamas politburo chief Khaled Meshal told the Palestinian daily Al-Ayam.
In a special interview with today's edition of the paper, Meshal said the Palestinian position had received a vote of consensus during the national accords of 2006 and that this position is considered acceptable to the Arab world at large.
Yeah, right, Cindy McCain has 9 million in assets "on her own." Like she's some kind of self-made beer brewing genius.
Where's the press on this? They'd be ridiculing any Democrat day and night if this were reversed.
Barak Ravid
Israel and the U.S. decided a few weeks ago to boycott the Durban II conference scheduled for early 2009 and likely to harshly criticize Israel's human rights record unless they receive firm guarantees that the event will not turn into anti-Israel festival.
According to a senior government official, the joint decision was made after discussions among senior U.S. State Department and local Foreign Ministry officials, and after being raised in talks between Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
Israel and the U.S. decided to make their participation in the conference conditional on guarantees the event would not become a rerun of the previous United Nations rights conference in Durban in 2001.
"The burden of proof will be on the UN and the organizers," a Jerusalem source stated.
He's a good guy, an honest man, a hero, who happens to be very wrong
versus
He used to be an honest guy who admitted that Bush was a fuckup, but he flipflopped and now says everything is great and we need more of the same.
rootless-e | 04.04.08 - 2:57 am | #
i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. i think you're reading too much in. i hear barack, like i said, prefacing every attack on mccain with a respectful reference to his war record
but us all here can mostly only be spectators at this point in regard to the nominee, and it is so hard to really know what anybody will do when they get into office...
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"Air America Host Randi Rhodes Suspended For Calling Hillary A "Big F*cking Whore"
Huffington Post | April 3, 2008 12:47 PM Read More:
Air America host Randi Rhodes called both Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton "whores" in a recent appearance, seen below. Rhodes, who hosts a weekday radio show on Air America, said to the cheering crowd, "What a whore Geraldine Ferraro is! She's such a fucking whore!" She then proceeded to say, "Hillary is a big fucking whore, too" to a mixed audience reaction. "You know why she's a big fucking whore? Because her deal is always, 'Read the fine print, asshole!'""
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
20...rh_n_94863.html
late night
late night
late night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...h?
v=uVHKQMzlVe4
Hell, Donald Trump was born a millionaire. Who would buy a book from him about how to become one? He's got no earthly idea how to do that.
He's only talking about how to make *another* million, once you are in the luxurious position of already having several million handed to you.
randi rhodes is on leno west coast right now. oh wait, it's that big fucking whore.
Donald Trump (aka "old sphincter mouth") doesn't appear to know anything about anything. Look at the hair, just look at it. Would anyone take advice from this loser?
And yet, he seems to be some kind of cultural hero.
What the fuck is wrong with this country? What happened?
Yeah, but Hounskull,
randi rhodes is on leno west coast right now. oh wait, it's that big fucking whore.
notaboomer | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 3:17 am | #
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Yep she sure is and she's a wantin a recount...... just to be fair and all.... she even says she has some friends more than willing to pay for it.... whore.... gawd I hate the way Leno advocates for repukes and repuke wanna bees.
leno: what about fla & mich?
hrc: read the fine print, asshole
leno: who's gonna pay?
hrc: not undermining the democratic process=priceless
leno: splain superdelegates
hrc: all dels equal but superdels vote for who would be best candidate for preznit i.e. me
leno: you are teh moxie
"Venezuela passes 'windfall' oil tax
Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan president, has nationalised part of the country's oil fields [Reuters]
The Venezuelan parliament has approved a "windfall" tax on oil firms to boost its revenues from record world prices.
The tax would take 50 per cent of oil revenues above $70 per barrel and an additional 60 per cent of revenues over $100 per barrel.
The law requires a second approval by the National Assembly before it takes effect.
Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan president, has already nationalised part of the country's oil industry - a move that has led to an international legal battle with US oil giant ExxonMobil.
"Because of high oil prices, oil companies have excessive earnings that go beyond reasonable levels of profitability," Angel Rodriguez, a Venezuelan parliamentarian, told ABN, the country's state news agency."
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/
...6BE49C73121.htm
Obama is smart about putting the knife in.
Because John McCain may claim long history of straight talk and independent-thinking, and I respect that. But in this campaign, he's fallen in line behind the very same policies that have ill-served America. He has seen where George Bush has taken our country, and he promises to keep us on the very same course.
A "history" of straight talk - you know, in the past.
goodnight - thanks for all the phish, notaboomer.
Donald Trump's Guide To Wealth:
Step 1: Be intelligent a resourceful enough to be the son of a fantastically wealthy New York real estate developer.
Step 2:
Step 3:
Step 4: Profit!!!
yer welcome, r-e. i am out too. assalam alaikam.
Paul Krugman: Voodoo Health Economics.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/0...=th&
oref=slogin
This country really never got past its ingrained homage to royalty.
If you get rich enough, you'll never be non-rich again, no matter how much you fuck things up.
Trump has bankrupted several business ventures, and you'll no more see a poor Trump than you'll see a poor Rockefeller.
g'evening. i'm on a message board inhabited by loads of rw crapslingers. my current wish is to respond to some idiot's contention that the evil librul msm ran nonstop attacks on mccain, the week of the nyt vicky iseman story ran.
'every night, they went after him,' the bullshit rant goes. i KNOW it's false, but can anybody point me to a site that archives the nightly network news transcripts?
i will repay you by letting you see me gut my wingnut target online with a rusty fishing knife.
fourmorewars | 04.04.08 - 3:41 am | #
i can't help you with the news archive, although i would try searching the news page on google. the truth is that although the story was agitated all week, the bulk of the commentary was about how "unfair" it was of the times to print "unsubstantiated" rumours about sleeping with the lobbyist in question
in short, what really happened was the the "msm" gave mccain a big wet kiss on that one...
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no reponse. is it 'cause of the implied grisly violence? aw, i'm only channeling the guy who hitchhikes out west with kramer...
ohhh man, kramer dude, if anybody tried that with me, you know what i'd do?
I'D STAB 'IM! I'D GUT 'IM LIKE A FISH!!!!
kramer: oh, um, that's nice, junior...hey, driver, you can let me off here...
Tacitus Gore Voltaire | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 3:51 am | #
Oh, man, beliiieeeeve me, I was already on board with that interpretation. I know, I know...I come around here every day, so my ear was already trained to listen for the sclm's submission to rw spin. Don't worry, I was already planning to preface my comeback by claiming just that, that the networks framed it as some kind of smear...while pointing out to the dimwit that the nyt based it on the word of MCCAIN STAFFERS, for goddamn sakes.
I was hoping to find access to the transcripts, then, for two reasons, 1) to show how they framed it to the wingers' meme, and 2) that, never mind that, asshole (him, not you, of course), your (his) claim that it was even COVERED more than in maybe 2 evenings' reports highlights the right wing's never-ending Victimhood Hyperbole Show.
You know, the one they're constantly ascribing to us.
going forward at the end of the day, I'll be ready on day one to answer when the phone rings at 3 AM, because I am the one I have been waiting for to cross the commander in chief threshold, yes I can.
Nite.
thanks, tgv, btw, for the googlenews tip.
Though I'm sure you'll be depressed along with me when I inform you that "nbc nightly news," or even "nightly news," plus 'iseman' yielded not a single fucking result.
The discussion here when the Iseman story broke was riotous. We wondered what the hell that was under Vicki's golden evening gown and finally one of the Atriettes suggested it must be a "kotex belt", a feminine former necessity consigned to the dustbin of history.
plantsman! How you doin'? Did the begonnies arrive?
Not yet -- just placed the order online about this time yesterday, and they could ship anytime between now and May. Noticed my Lily bulbs just peeking up out of the ground yesterday, though, and glad about that!
Mark Fiore spanks Huggy Bear:
http://www.markfiore.com/
Dang. Server errors galore.
Fiftiesh here in Georgia, light rain here and there.
The Mucasey affair is really getting a lot of notice, thanks to Greenwald.
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (January 15, 1929 – April 4, 1968
The Clinton/Richardson debacle gets uglier and uglier.
The Yoo memos are getting wide play, too. Keith promises Rachel is going to do something interesting tonight.
Rachel is a terrific gal. So bright and so much poise. Such a contrast to the glossy-lipped cable airheads I'm so damned tired of.
I don't get (can't afford) Countdown, dammit. Have to wait on net video.
You can go to MSNBC.com, and then MSNBC TV, then the Countdown page. The best segments are available for view there.
Yeah, that's where I go. I wonder when the time will come when one can subscribe to shows on the innernets, have true a la carte choice, and drop the cable tyranny. We pay for so many pigs in that poke.
Don't get me started on the Comcast cable/internet monopoly and how much it costs. It drives me batty.
After Mosley admitted in a letter to having had sex with 5 whores playing concentration camp games, the FIA is now going to hold a crisis meeting.
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008...is-
meeting.html
plantsman--how's yur Hoover? I got a kick out of hearing that you had no wire coathangers.
Comcast talks about how satellite TV can go out during bad weather. In all the time I had DirecTV, it
failed only once when the dish was caked with an inch or more ofsnow.
I can use the attachments, but it seems there's a clog down near the brushes that keeps it from being much good on floors. Haven't opened it up, but I'm afraid I'm gonna have to.
Pelosi is not helping the debate about super delegates at all. In fact I am less and less able to accept anything she says these days. Just because as she says she has spent her career in California and DC trying to make this lousy primary system be straight up "democracy" by the people's vote (and the mainstream media, corporations, every election choosing the least able democrat or the one easiest to destroy) doesn't mean she has the right to foment the people to not accept the decisions of the party. As speaker of the House she should not be throwing molotov crocktails and that is what she is doing. (damn her hide anyway!!).
Found my apartment on Google Earth -- kinda creeped me out.
The primary system is not, and never has been, "straight-up democracy". Disagree about Pelosi.
I love Paul Krugman. He is an honest voice in a cacophony of insanity, ignorance, and corruption. Bless his little heart.
You've given us heated accusations and no facts about what Pelosi has done. Utterly unhelpful.
"The primary system is not, and never has been, "straight-up democracy"
That's her schtick, not mine.
No, you said it should be. The lack of historical precedent is what I'm noting.
Good morning, early risers.
Pelosi is trying to define what the super delegates are supposed to do which according to her is vote the way the people have voted in the primary elections. If that were so it wouldn't have been necessary to have the super delegate. Since neither candidate got the necessary numbers in order to win the primary process the super delegates can vote anyway they want. That is the whole purpose of the thing.
No, I didn't say it should be. She did.
And the Clinton campaign is desperately searching for any measure by which they can claim Hillary is "winning" -- and suggested "pledged delegates" are free for the poaching. Give me a break.
Morning, Ralphie; snow free?
Pledged delegate ARE free for the poaching. They can change their minds at any time and some have already.
You mind is in a different universe. I accept that, but I do not agree with your reasoning.
There are a few lingering piles of snow around but for the most part, it is gone. Going to rain today and be in the mid forties. Seems warm but it was in the seventies at this time last year. I truly enjoy the times of year when I don't need heat or air conditioning. I like open windows.
I love fresh air and open windows, too. A shame I'm not more fond of dusting.
I think you should be careful about accusations about minds.
I think you should let me have the Free Speech I'm guaranteed in The Bill of Rights.
No open windows in Georgia at this time of year. Pollen storm, and it's sticking!
I didn't waltz in here and start slinging crap dissing Madame Speaker.
The big-leafed Maples are just about to go, and then the Cottonwoods, but I can wait.
Turn about is fair play my old daddy used to say. You have the most liberated nastiest speech here. What are you bitching about?
Plantsman, I know how you feel about Google earth. Try Goggle maps and click on street view. Truly scary.
You also have trouble with facts, Plantsman.
Nastiest? Um, No -- I can be way less civil than this. You've been bitching since you arrived.
hi, mimi.
A veritable fount of unsubstantiated charges.
How pathetically tedious.
There will probably be a lot out today about what Pelosi said. TPM says they will have a full report during the day.
http://digg.com/
2008_us_election...s_may_do_damage
Yes, Speaker Pelosi expressed her opinion. For Shame!
I love maps. Spend way too much time hovering over strange landscapes on Google satellite view.
Yeah, me too! For Shame!! Only thing is I am not Speaker of the House and what I say is not so dangerous.
Actually, it may have been Google Maps I was looking at. Seeing vehicles in the parking places here at the complex was weird. Glad we don't have transparent roofs.
What Speaker Pelosi said is not inherently dangerous, you just don't like it.
I'm wondering what's become of the NYT reporter arrested yesterday in Zimbabwe.
plantsman knows i am not anti hillary, and i agree that the superdelegates should not overturn the winner of the primaries
but the link is from over two weeks ago. things are changing every day and this is old news
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question to obama followers. can you argue the points krugman makes in his column today? isn't it also a little troubling that bobo brooks thinks obama is a nice boy; not like those trouble makers of the late sixties.
news for brooks; those trouble makers of the late 60s were responsible for the real change.
I don't like it because it is dangerous and damaging to the party and the country to encourage the people to not support the party decisions. It is also incorrect as laid out in 1984 when this was decided.
What Nancy Pelosi said doesn't really seem controversial. In fact, it seem skind of obvious and unremarkable.
But I'm sure Sean Sycophannity will be squealing like a stuck pig about it all day tomorrow.
TV Pelosi was on television last night saying this.
I don't like it because it is dangerous and damaging to the party and ....
Your concern is noted.
the real change for the civil rights movement came because of the riots and civil disobedienc, not thru unity, peace and love. change came when the white power structure felt really threatend.
Yes, hilldick; Dr. King meant nothing.
Sheesh.
An economy in slow motion meltdown, a neverending quagmire of an unpopular war, and a nation grown thoroughly sick of Chimpy's frat-boy petulant smirk.
Who knew he'd hit the trifecta?
" i agree that the superdelegates should not overturn the winner of the primaries"
Then there would be no reason to have super delegates. That is the whole purpose. The primary elections were unable to decide within the prescribed numbers set forth.
Change came when The Civil and Voting Rights Acts made change unstoppable.
Did I say nation? I meant to say planet.
cc, you don't run the nation or the Party. Stop pretending your view is law.
why do obama fans have a problem discussing issues?
Glad he is going to pick on you now, Hilldick.
We don't have a problem, why do you assume what Bobo says means shit?
This at guardian.co.uk today is the latest I see, p-man.
"They have both been charged for practising without accreditation but the other two will be released soon after screening," Zimbabwe national police spokesman Wayne Bvudzijena told Agence France Presse.
Bearak was seized along with about four other foreign journalists and crew yesterday afternoon at York Lodge in the centre of the Zimbabwe capital by police in riot gear.
The Johannesburg-based reporter was later found by NYT at a prison in the city.
Poor baby.
i think it's not very controversial to say that the will of the primary voters should be respected and not overturned
all this infighting between democrats has gotten really boring and i'm glad to see that it seems to be dying down
the votes will be cast and we'll see what's what, and we can't know the future for sure until it happens
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Agreed, TV. This "cc" just showed up all upset about it and itching to be agreed with.
pick away, but please, how about issues? how about health care?
all this infighting between democrats has gotten really boring and i'm glad to see that it seems to be dying down
Word. Soon enough we'll all be past this and back to laughing about Mr. scary-amnesty-for-illegals McSame trying to suck up to the wingtards again.
Good morning, people
Hillary's plan is superior, and I stand to benefit from it personally, but how she has been conducting herself has infuriated me -- the assumptions of "loyalty" and her Mafia-like tactics make me cringe. We can't know what Congress will do with either candidate's proposal, if anything, in the future.
It would be a good thing for the people to understand accurately what this super delegate thing is all about.
Translation: It would be a good thing if everyone agreed with me.
Gosh Plantsman, if you and I ever agreed I would commit suicide.
We can't know what Congress will do with either candidate's proposal, if anything, in the future.
Plantsman, good point.
Be my guest.
pick away, but please, how about issues? how about health care?
hilldick | 04.04.08 - 6:20 am |
oh, maybe hillary's health care proposal looks better than obama's, and maybe obama's position on lobbying is better than hillary's, & etc., but policy wise, they are hard to tell apart
the issue papers that politicians run on are notoriously unreliable indications of what they will end up doing in office
mccain, on the other hand, wants to continue to own and attempt to operate iraq, and doesn't want to help people who are having problems getting health insurance at all
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NYT: As far as having to look for a new job over the next year, nearly three in 10 Americans, 28 percent, are very concerned that they or someone they live with will be out of work, while another one in four are somewhat concerned about this.
But but Greenspan was a geeenious!
You are the onoe with Mafia like tactics. Where are Hillary's?
Are there many more superdelegates than in previous conventions? I know that we have a close race, but the superdel 'debate' seems mostly driven by idiot pundits.
Morning peeps.
Fighting and name calling so early in the morning. Tsk.
...
Or people whose homes are being foreclosed. Mark Fiore's anti-McCain cartoon is pretty good this week.
http://www.markfiore.com/
peace, love and unity. the wingers will love that.
Mathematically, Clinton can't win unless an enormously large fraction of superdelegates shifts to her column.
This is the main reason behind the fake "controversy" being floated by some medis pundits.
cc, have some coffee. No one can make you see what you don't want to.
I don't think there are more super delegates. Most campaigns were over by now and the issue of super delegates was not a factor like it is now.
OK, I'm going to call Eschaton security.
Ahhh, polls. All you have to do is listen to this speech, consider the subject, and the fate of the speaker and you come to the conclusion that we got off track some time ago.
http://www.historyplace.com/spee...peeches/
rfk.htm
The GOP is a smaller share of the voting public today than it has been in years;
Democratic Voter Registrations are up.
The fundies couldn't even get the nominee they wanted.
Mathematically, Clinton can't win
she just wants to see if she can win the popular vote. that would basically be a draw. we'll see!
thank god that the candidates are training their fire on mccain now instead of on each other. the movers and shakers in the party must have given them a good talking to
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Good morning, ql. Nice to see ya.
Morning Gromit.
thank god that the candidates are training their fire on mccain now instead of on each other. the movers and shakers in the party must have given them a good talking to
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Tacitus Voltaire
Harry Reid said it was gonna stop last Friday. I guess they're getting worried about alienating too many Dems.
yeah, the fundies and hard core wingers are still calling mccain a 'liberal'
this is turning out to be a realignment election, and fundies and wingers have been realigned out
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thank god that the candidates are training their fire on mccain now instead of on each other.
Haven't followed the news this week. Hope this is true and that it continues.
Just made coffee. Anybody need some?
Harry Reid said it was gonna stop last Friday. I guess they're getting worried about alienating too many Dems.
qlª | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 6:34 am | #
if you look up thread, rootless was quoting some good anti-mccain rhetoric from both of them
hillary's newest 3am ad specifically targets mccain
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The Social Conservatives are no longer in charge, and they're trying to force a VP of their choice on McCain. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
this is turning out to be a realignment election, and fundies and wingers have been realigned out
.
Tacitus Voltaire
Nicest thing I've read all day!
morning, all.
got beautiful Sumatran lillies, towering and smelling wonderful, since my local store got its Easter delivery late. my good.
Well, I am not a complete news junkie, but it seems Bill Clinton has been more subdued the past few days. That may signal something.
This week's near-qualifier for a Darwin Award:
ARLINGTON, Texas — A Texas man was critically injured Thursday night when he tried to "roof surf" atop a car traveling down a highway, police said.
Plantsman thanks for the offer of coffee. I suggest Valium or gin for you.
Anybody need some?
Gromit
Yes, please. That's might nice of you.
I expect V4V will be here shortly with some fresh bagels.
Just made coffee. Anybody need some?
Gromit
Cream no sugar please. Mmmm.
My Oriental Lily Bulbs broke ground after their winter sleep I noticed yesterday. Spring's a go, it'll just take forever to truly get here.
my favorite 'stupid' lately was the robber who tried to rob a small store and was told the manager wasn't there, and the clerks couldn't open the safe. so the robber left his cell phone and asked them to call him when the mgr arrived. they did, and a few spare polizistei as well.
cc, let it go; I don't take benzodiazepams nor alcohol at this time of night.
plantsman, I have a few lillies, one bunch bright red, just a bit above ground now. I will never forget having a huge plant about to bloom, tho, and the lawn service sliced them back. arrrggghhhh.
The song birds here are in full chorus. There are two song sparrows setting up territories in front of my place. They seem to be competing for who gets the larger piece of land.
So, I broke out the food processor and made hummus yesterday. It came out pretty well. Wish tahini wasn't so oily-messy.
mama spider's little brood of baby spiders has grown up enough to take over my bathroom
it's a teenage spider street gang
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They seem to be competing for who gets the larger piece of land.
leibniz♘☮
competition is good for the soul! (see the hilarious comment from ifthethunderdontgetcha at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com )
GAO says replacement for shuttle in trouble
FAA too cozy with airlines, House panel told
Looks like President Obama or Clinton will be arriving in the nick of time to replace the entire incompetent Bush administration. These E. coli conservatives are rotting our country from the head down.
Our landlords have had a child not long ago, and have been very disengaged from maintaining the place. Hope warmer weather solves that.
I roof surfed with friends years ago on top of an old station wagon going about 100mph. Police pulled us over and gave us a ticket--thank gah. Y'all are really lucky I'm around all the crazy chit I used to do.
Spring's a go, it'll just take forever to truly get here
Despite the cold and wet I've got daffys and tarda tulips sprouting vigorously, and the first crocus opened Wednesday.
We had lovely weather yesterday, and people were out and about -- those poor flooded folks in Arkansas, Missouri, and Tennessee.
tulips won't take off here, the winters aren't cold enuff. but the daffies are bloomed out now. Iris time.
Cold rain here all day. Sometimes April is the cruellest month.
Not quite roof surfing, but exciting nonetheless.
Jerry Seinfeld's vintage car flips after brakes fail in Hamptons; comedian is unhurt
"Because I know there are kids out there, I want to make sure they all know that driving without braking is not something I recommend, unless you have professional clown training or a comedy background, as I do," he said.
Tulips persist here, but they always seem to get shredded by the weather, daffs do beautifully.
loovly weather in the bay area. i never liked all that winter back in NYC where i grew up. i remember that people used to say march is supposed to come in like a lion and go out like a lamb, but where's the lamb part?
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Tulips persist here, but they always seem to get shredded by the weather
Here too, whcih is why I now grow only the species type. The tall, stately varieties just get beat up.
3rd try
Well I found out Diane had computer problems that may be terminal so will put a post up if she's not up by 6:15. but we may not hear from her this a.m., sadly
terminal? Ugh, I hate that kind of stuff!
we had big storms, last night, I lost power once. but didn't get the grapefruit sized hail that came down s of Dallas
When I owned a house, the tulips usually got eaten by deer.
Yikes, Ruth! Glad you dodged that one.
Interesting doings in Iraq. After being forced to leave shame facedly out of Basra, Maliki announced yesterday that he was going after the militia's in Baghdad. Apparently, Al Sadr has told him to knock it off or he would retaliate. Maliki has frozen the raids on the militias!!!
Who's your daddy?????
leibniz, I tho't tulips were poisonous. Maybe just not to deer.
Yeh, Feral, I don't really want a new roof just yet. well, maybe ...
foolme1ns, I can't believe even the morans in the WH can keep supporting Maliki, and Musharraf either. They're not even pretending to do anything but take our $$
Remember me whining about never getting a good nights sleep?
Yep, just got one. Finally.
This is nice.
"While noting that their murder had been sanctioned by the cleric, the two men did not back down -- one said he would bring a lawsuit against the sheik. And this week the writers were supported by a group of more than 100 Arab rights groups and intellectuals from across the region. In a statement sent to the Reuters news agency, the group -- which included Islamist thinkers such as the Egyptian philosopher Hassan Hanafi and Lebanese scholar Radwan al-Sayyed -- said the fatwa amounted to "intellectual terrorism.""
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...8040303534.html
maybe our own recidivists will start standing up to the wingers next!
yay, Barndog! sleep is underappreciated.
Huggy Bear has not decided to support Jim Webb and Chuck Hagel's new Veterans' Benefits Bill, which Dumbya opposes.
To the Gipper™'s famous question, delivered during his campaign against Jimmy Carter, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?", 78% would now answer "No."
And people think McCain's gonna win?
Only chicanery on a scale never yet seen in this country will prevent a Democratic president in 2009.
Not that anyone should put that past the GOP, the party of war for profit, torture, wholesale wiretaps, and the destruction of American jurisprudence.
DD-I think there is a good chance McStain will win.
"Only chicanery on a scale never yet seen in this country will prevent a Democratic president in 2009."
I think that describes the present situation very well.
The "Republican Strategists" trotted out on cable news seem to think today's poll numbers will last into November. Once the Democrats can truly focus on McCain, I don't think so.
DD, I think chicanery is too mild a term for what we will see from the GoPervians.
Once the Democrats can truly focus on McCain, I don't think so.
plantsman,
agree
KeithO is gunning for McCain nightly, and what he's had to say so far is pretty compelling.
'morning.
Ruth-- we got $40 each for the ponies. I wouldn't base your eBay pricing on that, though; things went for pretty low sums.
Oh, and KO's takedown of Darrell Issa and his opposition to aiding 9/11 first responders who are falling ill last night was brilliant!
People still think that the democrats have a majority in the congress and they haven't done anything. Consequently they think both parties are just alike. I wish the campaigns could make the actual situation a little clearer to the public.
Edwards says he would not accept VP nomination. How about Supreme Court?
thks, V4VA, just wanted to know what the final figure was. Things are meant to be a treat, at auctions. Especially vacation homes.
Elizabeth Edwards popped McCain's "health plan" right in the kisser!
Edwards should be Attorney General, imho.
That racket in front of my house is loud this morning.
I'd love to see Elizabeth Edwards advocating for healthcare in some official capacity.
(Haloscan ate the last one.)
Morning, all. I agree that the Rovers are gonna throw everything they can at the Democratic nominee.
Ain't. Gonna. Matter.
People are completely fed up. Even if there is some new attack (which I fully expect, as Osama Votes Republican), it's likely to backfire: after all, why haven't the geniuses in the White House found Osama Been Forgotten? It's been seven years already, and he's still out there. The only characteristic greater than greed and callousness in this administration is incompetence. They can't do anything well except steal elections, and I think they won't manage it next time.
and haloscum ate this too;
the 'not a dime's worth of difference' has created too much tragedy for it to work again.
I think Atrios got it right at EschaCon. We won't be fight McStain so much as fighting the press. And they have already written the script.
Remember Monica Goodling? The Regent University Law School graduate who somehow got high up in the Justice Department?
She is apparently responsible for the firing of a woman with stellar performance reviews at her Bureau of Indian Affairs job, because Goodling heard a rumor the woman might be a lesbian.
I don't have asthma but all the spring pollen in the air here makes me feel a little tired.
peeps!
It's gonna be a good day today. I dunno why.
Now we're up! at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/...ket-
forces.html
=the total failure of the guru to act when he could see what was happening.
1. Obama gets the nomination
2. McCain gets the nomination
3. McCain picks Condi as VP
4. McCain/Coni warn that the world is still a scary place.
5. October surprise: anthrax, dirty weapon, who knows?
6. Lieberman and a few other faux democrats say we need McCain/Condi, we can't change horses in mid-stream, they attack Obama for his lack of experience, etc.
7. Obama is attacked for eating $100/pound meat in Philadelphia instead of protecting Americans.
Ain't democracy grand? This is turning out to be the most interesting and democracy like election since the present lousy primary system was put in. (But I realize it is how one views it).
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20080...sized_delegates
8. Obama wins, McCain retires to Sedona, Condi buys shoes.
Why the hell are so people willing to stay on this track riding the McCain train. Choo! Choo!
Just got back from delivering my neighborhood newsletter. Lightly misting. Saw irises in full bloom. Glad to hear there's an Issa takedown. I'll go check that out right away.
7. Obama is attacked for eating $100/pound meat in Philadelphia instead of protecting Americans.
leibniz♘☮
no, no, wearing earth tones.
Issa is under "Worst Person In The World", I think.
Because people are stupid.
'mornin'
Random thoughts:
There are many things taken for granted that, once deprived of them, you never feel the same way about. Sleep is one of them. You spend five years or so not sleeping every second to third night, and then getting the odd phone call at 3 AM you have to act on with the lucidity and precision of an airline pilot in a thunderstorm, and every night's uninterrupted sleep becomes a blessing.
Most criminals are stupid. At least, so says my dear friend the defense lawyer. Me, I'd guess the smart criminals are mostly never even so labeled, much less caught, but do very well indeed for themselves. THey realize that robbing convenience stores is for chumps. How, precisely, is, say, the drug dealer's entrepreneurial spirit different from, say, 'Kenny Boy' Lay's?
btw, commemorating MLK with a peace bouquet.
Issa is under "Worst Person In The World", I think.
That's the first place I wudda checked!
9. former VP cheney is discovered living under the naval observatory and feasting on the cooked livers of senate pages.
OTOH, think of the contrast between an old man who can barely stay awake and Obama during a debate.
Obama is attacked for eating $100/pound meat in Philadelphia
Let's see... Thats about 30+ lbs of the choice/prime organic black angus I get.
How, precisely, is, say, the drug dealer's entrepreneurial spirit different from, say, 'Kenny Boy' Lay's?
ProfWombat
'fraid that's so. I make a post this morning, that parallels that at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com
I ordered 2 long-tail T-shirts from Duluth - that's about all the excitement I can stand.
Dear Winter,
You may stop whenever you like.
Best,
Molly
9. former VP cheney is discovered living under the naval observatory and feasting on the cooked livers of senate pages.
leibniz♘☮
uncooked. this is Darth.
OTOH, think of the contrast between an old man who can barely stay awake and Obama during a debate
They'll jack him with a bunch of speed, meth or cocaine before the debate.
We could get lucky with this scenario.
OTOH, think of the contrast between an old man who can barely stay awake and Obama during a debate.
If Obama makes Gramps have a heart attack, the media will never forgive him.
sorry 'bout that heating oil thingie, Molly. cowpies were what they used on the Lone Prairie.
THey realize that robbing convenience stores is for chumps. How, precisely, is, say, the drug dealer's entrepreneurial spirit different from, say, 'Kenny Boy' Lay's?
This is a variant on "There are two ways ways to rob a bank. One is with a gun. The other is to own it."
I don't know about a Democratic shoo-in. Folks I know are remarkably distracted by near-term news stories. All it takes is a Rev. Wright-type story, close to the election, and spread all over the media to make people ignore the ruin Republicans have brought to their own households.
I was down south recently, and the radio was nonstop Rev. Wright and Obama bashing. I overheard a black man on a cell phone saying something like "I can't support someone who is part of hate speech in church; I don't care what color he is"
Now if Obama has enough money, he can get enough airtime to make his case directly and be successful. But its going to take a lot of money.
I ordered 2 long-tail T-shirts from Duluth - that's about all the excitement I can stand
Dude! Slow down man!
uncooked. this is Darth.
Grima Bush will provide him with the fava beans and a nice chianti.
Cowpies are plenty here, but I expect they'd screw up my system somehow.
Got home and the house was hot inside. Got the windows and screen door open now and it's cooling off. Never seen this before in early March. The St. Augustine grass looks like it's been green and cut all winter.
Grima Bush will provide him with the fava beans and a nice chianti.
Molly Ivors
sure that's not mead, for the primeval in him?
Filled our oil tank the other day. Cost fully sixteen hundred dollars. Real money, that.
Cost fully sixteen hundred dollars. Real money, that.
ProfWombat
[faints]
Filled our oil tank the other day. Cost fully sixteen hundred dollars. Real money, that.
GAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWK!
Cost fully sixteen hundred dollars. Real money, that.
ProfWombat
thks for your support of OilCo. Sending you all my spare limbs from the last ice storm.
Filled our oil tank the other day. Cost fully sixteen hundred dollars. Real money, that
The sum total of our gas heat bill this winter (so far) is less than $1200 - since October.
Dogwoods and azalea are everywhere blooming. It all looks like Candyland around here.
ProfWombat,
I'll be watching prices all summer and hope for a lull. This should be it for us this year.
The most difficult part of the debate for McCain will be tying to negotiate how he gets a ramp.
He's about 7 inches shorter than Obama.
When he was on Letterman, Dave towered over him.
Forgive me if I've asked this, BD, but what do you use to heat?
Good morning, friends.
Hey, at least, he didn't BURN the dog!
Nicolas Cage on Friday won an apology and damages from actress Kathleen Turner over claims in her autobiography that he had been arrested twice for drunk driving and had once stolen a Chihuahua.
Neither star was at London's High Court to hear the ruling, which brings to an end Cage's libel action against former co-star Turner, her publishers Headline Publishing Group and Britain's Daily Mail, which featured an extract from the book.
Cage's lawyer Simon Smith told the court that the offending passages from Turner's autobiography "Send Yourself Roses" had appeared in the Daily Mail and on its Web site under the headline "Why I detest Burt Reynolds and Nicolas Cage."
They were based on the 53-year-old's experiences on set with Cage while making the 1986 hit "Peggy Sue Got Married."
Turner stated that Cage was "arrested twice for drunk-driving and, I think, for stealing a dog. He'd come across a Chihuahua he liked and stuck it in his jacket."
Smith said the allegations were false and had "caused damage to the claimant's personal and professional reputation."
Turner and the two publishing groups accepted that the allegations were untrue and would pay the 44-year-old Cage's legal costs and make a "substantial" donation to charity, Smith added.
Morning folks. It's sunny, and going up to ten degrees today!
Senator Obama towers over McBush in more ways than one.
I should buy that 93% efficient gas furnace before the price skyrockets.
Good thing my HVAC guy is also a dealer of them.
He's about 7 inches shorter than Obama.
When he was on Letterman, Dave towered over him.
When Bush debated Kerry they used two cameras to make them the same height. I think they were about 6" apart.
Dogwoods and azaleas a ways off here, but did see a pink azalea budding up yesterday. Many years ago, someone told people here any two colors of azaleas and Rhodies go together. It wasn't me.
All it takes is a Rev. Wright-type story, close to the election, and spread all over the media to make people ignore the ruin Republicans have brought to their own households.
Raoul Paste
That is gonna have to be some story. People are desperate. As someone far wittier than me (Sinfonian, I think), said in this forum, there are two sorts of Republican voters: multimillionaires, and suckers. You can fool people only so long. It's true that it's easier to fool desperate people, but this election is going to bring historic changes, because people see no other way to avoid destruction.
Our heating bill is over $3400 this season. We're looking into replacing our not terrible boiler with a high-efficiency model. It'd cost $7000 or so, but would save us money overall, at this rate, within three years.
That, and sweaters and comforters and rope caulk and like that.
There are lots of people who are badly hurting with this.
When he was on Letterman, Dave towered over him.
attaturk
Well, they can stand him up on a little box or whatever, but he's going to look really decrepit compared to the vibrancy of either Dem candidate.
I suppose they could do that gauzy-lens thing, but he'd appear as a blob then.
Come to think of it, that would work for me.
Ten degrees for Moe! wheeeee!
we had storms last night, grapefruit sized hail s. of Dallas.
I saw a Law and Order episode with Kathleen Turner in which she had gone from Body Heat to Body Beat.
The hard part id going to be cleaning all the Vaseline off the lens they use for McCain.
7. Obama is attacked for eating $100/pound meat in Philadelphia instead of protecting Americans.
leibniz♘☮
no, no, wearing earth tones.
Ruth w/the Chipd Funibones
Asking for the "wrong" cheese on his Philly cheesesteak.
My heating since October has been about $120.
Oh, dear, I owe V a coke!
I'll make it a diet ginger ale.
They'll have to shoot Huggy through Congoleum.
"So?"
-- Dick Cheney
McCain is such a wash, it takes morans to vote ....... oh, right.
Morning folks. It's sunny, and going up to ten degrees today!
Moe Szyslak, cold
Quick, to the beach!
Donald Trump (aka "old sphincter mouth") doesn't appear to know anything about anything. Look at the hair, just look at it. Would anyone take advice from this loser?
And yet, he seems to be some kind of cultural hero.
What the fuck is wrong with this country? What happened?
Chichimec
Donald Trump is obscenely wealthy.
America worships wealthy.
They just gave that scumbag Vince McMahon a star on the Walk of Fame in Hollywood.
I guess for being a producer of soft porn.
So this time tomorrow I'll be back on the road to Philadelphia.
Nice town, but frankly, I'd rather stay home.
Natural gas, Molly. Between insulation, sealing off the windows, and keeping the thermostat set at either 68 or 71 - we've managed to shave close to 20%. I just got a new programmable thermostat yesterday, while buying the new electrical service stuff.
Found the buss bar (which connects each side of the power to the main fuse) was about melted, along with the one side of the main breaker. Looks like we took a lightning strike recently.
Doing that Sunday before I go fishing for a week.
Gots to run. Off to Philadelphia (a week late, but my wife the fabric artist has some show and conference there this weekend. Which is mainly why I didn't do Eschacon.)
I've spent about $1000 all winter for oil. That's because we keep the furnace at 12 degrees and heat from there with wood.
But I'm going to research putting in a heat pump, using geothermal. I think I can get the 12 degrees, probably more, with that, as well as pre-heat the water. In some future year I'll install a solar panel for the rest of the water heat.
I've noticed that they're not reporting those dying from this cold snap like they used to. You know alot of people have died but we're not hearing anything about it.
7. Obama is attacked for eating $100/pound meat in Philadelphia instead of protecting Americans.
leibniz??
no, no, wearing earth tones.
Ruth
when they really want to hurt him, they will use a white woman. they will either say he raped her or cheated on his wife with her or both. that's the oct surprise i'm expecting. or a boy, but they tried that and it didn't float.
good morning.
David Derbes,
Drop me an email--I'm hooking up with Susie and Atrios and Uncle Blodge for drinks, probably tomorrow night.
I could actually bring your shirt rather than mail it.
When Bush debated Kerry they used two cameras to make them the same height. I think they were about 6" apart.
Molly Ivors
I love when they tried to say that little cockroach is 6' tall.
No way!
Maureen Dowd will doubtless spend a paragraph or two on the elegant, metrosexual Obama eating high-end foodstuffs while outside, working stiffs gaze on with seething resentment, wishing they could vote for a real man.
It'll be Elisabeth Hasselbeck, and no one will believe it except Barbara Walters.
cd,
That wasn't a real boy. That was Larry the Cable Guy.
DD and Molly both in Philly! the plat thickend.
I saw the Liberty Bell! while there. still giggling, whoever wrote the signage guessed that the reference to 50 years meant the PA celebration of 50th birdday, knew nothing about Jubilee. heeheee
I might add, I'm sure alot of poor people have died because they couldn't afford the high energy prices.
chidy: absolutely. Been saying that for months. Even as we speak, Republicans with fists full of dirty money are scouring the country for a white vagina that's been despoiled, or, even better, impregnated with subsequent abortion or love child, by Obama's huge steaming black cock. It's an ugly country out there.
grapefruit sized! dayum, ruth. glad you're ok.
it's a gentle spring rain here today. purrfect, after the sun yesterday. i have at least two croci flowering already. the black and white tulips appear to be coming up as well. /skips/
That woman who bit the pit bull on the nose to save her lab was spunky!
ChiDyke, I've heard rumblings about things 'they've got on' Obama, can't wait for the hit squad to try it. Obama has him some moxie.
It'll be Elisabeth Hasselbeck, and no one will believe it except Barbara Walters.
*snort!*
CD - we will have daffs by the end of the weekend. Tulips aren't far behind either. Probally a couple more weeks out on those Grape Hyacinth you so love. (we do too)
More daffy tulips please.
Swift booty'd!
ProfW,
She critiqued his beer drinking on Wednesday.
when they really want to hurt him, they will use a white woman.
I think it's going to backfire on them big time.
People are sick of that shit.
Good morning ... over there, a mess:
BAGHDAD — More than 1,000 Iraqi soldiers and policemen either refused to fight or simply abandoned their posts during the inconclusive assault against Shiite militias in Basra last week, a senior Iraqi government official said Thursday. Iraqi military officials said the group included dozens of officers, including at least two senior field commanders in the battle.
Of course, I have to consider the additional electricity use for the heat pump.
Ruth
Dog- i nabbed a bunch of the GHs last year, so this year i will have my own to admire and i won't have to stare longingly at yours. i will stare with admiration and brotherhood instead.
i need a Gentle Spring tho, for the reasons you all mentioned above. i worry about some of these tall, fancy, top heavy dutch tulips i put in. will they deal with wind?
The National Enquirer had one of its smear job stories on the front page again this week.
I've stopped buying the tabloids because of this and I sent them a letter telling them what I think of their attacks on Obama and Clinton.
I've had a couple of neighbors do the same.
They should stick to Hollywood gossip and stay out of politics.
Of course, I have to consider the additional electricity use for the heat pump.
Running a motor is cheap compared to things like furnaces and air conditioners.
megisi, as I have heard it, most of the Basra melee was setting up power bases for the coming election. Not for real action at all.
I think it's going to backfire on them big time.
People are sick of that shit.
I dunno. Tell that to Harold Ford.
I've heard rumblings about things 'they've got on' Obama,
They got nothing.
And that includes an opponent.
tall, fancy, top heavy dutch tulips i put in. will they deal with wind?
We had a bunch when we moved in here. Didn't seem so much the wind - but heavy rain loves them big ol' fat petals.
Many Darwin and Triumph Tulips have stout stems, so rain and hail can do a number on them; but wind, not so much.
Tell that to Harold Ford.
Molly Ivors
Ford isn't Obama.
And this isn't a US Senate race.
Running a motor is cheap compared to things like furnaces and air conditioners.
leibniz♘☮
I'm more concerned about the GHG side of it. The electricity is generated with coal here. But yea, it's still probably far better, even with the furnace just at 12. But I want to run the calculation all the same.
Donald Trump (aka "old sphincter mouth") doesn't appear to know anything about anything. Look at the hair, just look at it. Would anyone take advice from this loser?
Trump has somehow cultivated the image that he's a self made millionaire. Trump was already worth something like $300 million simply because of who his father was.
Ford isn't Obama.
And this isn't a US Senate race.
No, the stakes are much higher.
knew you'd enjoy that, Feral. btw, I need a link to your flickr'ing, somehow I can't locate my usual one.
I don't know why Ted Turner is getting any flak for his comments. What he says is correct. I saw his interview on Charlie Rose and didn't think nothing wrong about it. Alex Jones is really starting to get on my nerves about it.
terry c- i think it's the same side of the hillary haters coin tho, and it could work. the same *coughmencough* people who can't deal with cunting-american for preznit, also have nightmares about a Steam Black Cock preznit. so i worry that it would work, timed and placed properly with "screaming black hoardes just attacked the playboy mansion with a saltpeter bomb!!!" story on the newz.
megisi, as I have heard it, most of the Basra melee was setting up power bases for the coming election. Not for real action at all.
Makes sense and that makes it more hopel,ess than ever. It's tough to break down the war lord mentality when it's built into the culture.
Ask any American cop trying to bust urban street gangs.
Bush was warned about the factionalism, among other likely results of his adventure.
And that includes an opponent.
Terry C - don't like GOP
amazing, isn't it, and the field was a wash as well. gone to seed, we say in the ol' south
Steamboat Cock
no
Steamclean Cock
no
Steaming Black Cock
...you can see i have phallus issues. anyway, more cuppa now.
Ruth
Here you go.
The coming economic collapse and people will finally not want to fucking hear Donald Trump or Britney Spears. But they can continue while eating each other. Who cares.
when they really want to hurt him, they will use a white woman. they will either say he raped her or cheated on his wife with her or both. that's the oct surprise i'm expecting. or a boy, but they tried that and it didn't float.
good morning.
chicago dyke
By Jove, she's got it.
There better not be a white woman in his not so distant past. I will be seriously pissed if he were fooling around on Michelle.
I'm more concerned about the GHG side of it. The electricity is generated with coal here. But yea, it's still probably far better, even with the furnace just at 12. But I want to run the calculation all the same.
I would guess it is difficult to go entirely off the grid in Halifax. Even here, the upfront costs are fairly large (20 years amortization).
Molly: can't stand that woman. If I were a woman, I'd loathe her even more. A case study in prefeminist distortions, she is. It's almost as if she's missed the whole feminism/women's liberation thing, missed it entirely, finding it so threatening, for whatever reason, as to have internalized every last trope of nonsense advanced in opposition. And her smarmy mean-girl style only makes it worse.
Americans are more dissatisfied with the country’s direction than at any time since the New York Times/CBS News poll began asking about the subject in the early 1990s, according to the latest poll.
I suppose it's just a coincidence that the NYT/CBC News poll began "asking about the subject" just when Bill Clinton took office.
I would not be surprised if Trump is broke or close to broke. The TV show seems pretty desperate if he is a multi-millionaire.
I taught a really good lesson yesterday. We've just started The Color Purple, and I realized the first day that my students, overwhelmingly white and working class, really have no frame of reference for pre-civil rights era black culture. So we watched some of Birth of a Nation, some of Green Pastures, and a bunch of videos--Ma Rainey, Bessie Smith, and Billie Holiday. I just wanted to put some flesh on the text, and I think it worked.
But it's become something of a joke that everything we do in there is depressing--I guess ending with Strange Fruit probably didn't help much.
thks, feral. I'm!! taking your cats!
This is front page news here, which shows you how far we've come:
MP's anti-gay remarks spark outrage
OTTAWA AND TORONTO — Conservative MP Tom Lukiwski apologized Thursday after the Saskatchewan NDP released a 16-year-old videotape featuring him and a young Brad Wall that contains sexist, racist and homophobic comments.
The video was taped in 1991, inside the Progressive Conservative campaign headquarters of Grant Devine who was making an unsuccessful bid for re-election as Saskatchewan premier. It was released by the Saskatchewan NDP Thursday, after it was found in an office.
It features several shots of a young staff clowning around. In it Mr. Lukiwski tells the camera: “There's A's and there's B's. The A's are guys like me. The B's are homosexual faggots with dirt on their fingernails that transmit diseases.” The video also features several shots of a young Mr. Wall.
In a feigned Ukrainian accent, he says of then NDP leader Roy Romanow, a son of Ukrainian immigrants, he's “got his head up his ass. I don't even know how he walks upright with his head so far up his ass.”
Mr. Lukiwski, 57, quickly apologized for the remarks, which he said don't represent his true views. “I am truly, truly sorry. I'm ashamed [of] the comments. If I could take those comments back, I would. I would give anything in the world to take those comments back,” he said.
“I have no prejudice against gay people whatsoever. Those comments do not reflect the type of person I am.”
Mr. Wall, who is now Saskatchewan premier, also expressed his regret Thursday.
“It just never was then, and neither would it ever be, in any way an attempt to slight any group,” said Mr. Wall.
Americans are more dissatisfied with the country’s direction than at any time since the New York Times/CBS News poll began asking about the subject in the early 1990s, according to the latest poll.
The morons voted for it or didn't bother being a citizen to show up at the polls informed or otherwise so they can fucking eat it instead of whining.
I would not be surprised if Trump is broke or close to broke. The TV show seems pretty desperate if he is a multi-millionaire.
leibniz♘☮
His theory is to owe so much money that they can't afford to let you go broke.
I would not be surprised if Trump is broke or close to broke. The TV show seems pretty desperate if he is a multi-millionaire.
leibniz♘☮ | 04.04.08 - 7:59 am | #
Think attention troll, then it makes sense.
~
I love fabric art, DDerbes. Does your wife exhibit anywhere?
It really is annoying, to say the least, that they're bitching about the direction of the country now.
Thanks, CoT, been looking for a tribute.
goes with my memorial bouquet. (got a great price on sumatran lillies, deep burgundy)
Moe, didja get the fracking book yet?
His theory is to owe so much money that they can't afford to let you go broke.
It's working so far.
But yes, he's always been leveraged out the wazoo.
Mornin', all. How goes?
I guess ending with Strange Fruit probably didn't help much.
Nothing in music induces cold shivers in me like that song ...
I would guess it is difficult to go entirely off the grid in Halifax. Even here, the upfront costs are fairly large (20 years amortization).
leibniz♘☮
It's too much to hope for to get off the grid completely. But I can get the heat pump system for under $10,000, I think. That's a start. I'll pay that off, then get the solar water heating system. This summer I'm getting my PowerBox-solar system, just for my yard tools and whatnot. A little bit at a time...
Green Pastures is not depressing at all. You could always do Gone With /The Wind!
Okay, thanks for the conversation, folks. I'm off.
*mwah!*
No matter how often I watch The Color Purple I always cry. I love, love the soundtrack.
Good for you Molly. A lot of teaching involves waking students up.
Mornin', all. How goes?
It turns out, filkertom, that Maureen Dowd and Donald Trump are braying asses, Americans hate their country at the moment, John McCain is nuckin futz and plants are emerging in the wintry north.
Today, promise. I'm playing hooky from work this morning, to run such errands.
The morons voted for it or didn't bother being a citizen to show up at the polls informed or otherwise so they can fucking eat it instead of whining.
Ô¿Ô
the stupid burns deep in pennsylvania:
“How can I vote for a president who won’t wear a flag pin?” Mrs. McCabe, a recently unemployed clerk typist, said in a booth at the Valley Dairy luncheonette in this quiet, small city in western Pennsylvania.
Mr. Obama has said patriotism is about ideas, not flag pins.
“I watch him on TV,” Mrs. McCabe said. “I keep looking for that lapel pin.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/0...ics&
oref=slogin
filk, gotcher parrot talk today? Sorry, can't help it, when I hear pirate I think parrots.
Moe: run the figures carefully; my understanding is that heat pumps work best in climates that aren't too cold. They need more energy to move the heat up a steeper hill...
I'm listening to MLK's "Two Americas" speech on Pacifica right now.
In the poll, 81 percent of respondents said they believed that “things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track,” up from 69 percent a year ago and 35 percent in early 2003.
so, it's good neuz for republicans and thier forthcoming diboldian landslide
Gaddamn, we were practically pleading with them back in 2000 and 04 not to do it. Now they're fucking bitching and moaning and scared? They can all go choke on their own vomit and die.
nona-the sad part is that we need those votes to win in November. Somehow we have to turn them around.
Mornin', all. How goes?
It turns out, filkertom, that Maureen Dowd and Donald Trump are braying asses, Americans hate their country at the moment, John McCain is nuckin futz and plants are emerging in the wintry north.
megisi | 04.04.08 - 8:05 am
Seriously? Who knew? Oh yeah, that's right, everybody but The Village.
Molly: make sure your students know that 'Strange Fruit' was written by a Jewish white guy from Brooklyn, who went on to adopt the Rosenbergs' boys after they were executed...
ProfWombat-- I've got a friend who put one in. I'll look at his numbers.
filk, gotcher parrot talk today? Sorry, can't help it, when I hear pirate I think parrots.
Ruth | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 8:06 am
Arrr, missy! That's why there be that "carrot shavings" shtick in the middle of th' song, there.
V-up for a game. The workers have gone to work.
So, do I hear correctly that you all are coming to Escanaba, Michigan, for your gathering next year?
Really think about that... They're "unhappy with the direction of the country now." Is that the most sorry and worthless thing you've ever heard or what?
Moe: I'm looking for alternatives, too; my heating bills are jaw-dropping this year.
nona-the sad part is that we need those votes to win in November. Somehow we have to turn them around.
qlª
i don't think it's possible to break thru that level of idiocy and disengagement. i'm extremely tempted to send her a photo of randy cunningham all decked out with his lapel pin ... with his prison mailing address.
“I watch him on TV,” Mrs. McCabe said. “I keep looking for that lapel pin."
nona, that is Theater-of-the-Absurd funny.
V-up for a game. The workers have gone to work.
qlª
Sure.
HICA!
It's raining, y'know.
.
JP, trade you for hail?
The first thing we did was go through the government's retrofit program, which in the end gave us a rebate of about 25% for re-insulating the house and such. Then we switched the fireplace over to a a good, effecient woodstove system. This past winter was so cold we went through over three cords of wood.
I think the goal is to have as many different options as possible: heat pump, wood, solar water heater, and whatever else I can think of.
JP -- did you submit your excellent application letter? Any action?
“I watch him on TV,” Mrs. McCabe said. “I keep looking for that lapel pin."
people like this do exist, but this little anecdote sounds suspciously like Villager dogwhistle to me. 'see, look how quaint and stupid the flatland little people are, ha ha. we are so superior.' to the consumers of the Village discourse, this is exactly the sort of self-serving, arrogant reinforcing discourse of what they already believe, that is defined by the pages of the old grey whore these days.
Ruth: JP, trade you for hail?
No, thanks. We've already had some of that, and there's probably more on the way, given that Nashville is now one of the tornado hotspots on the planet.
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Really think about that... They're "unhappy with the direction of the country now." Is that the most sorry and worthless thing you've ever heard or what?
Ô¿Ô | 04.04.08 - 8:10 am
I actually have some sympathy for them. We've been clawing at the seamy underbelly of this misbegotten administration for years now. The stuff we've seen has been occasionally exposed, then quickly glossed over, so many times that I'm sure some people thought some of the shit was just a trick of the light.
Now, there's Just Too Much to ignore, as well as the fact that everything's decisively hitting people where they live for what is obviously the long term, and the non-blogosphere finally sees the tapdancing of BushCo, Faux Noise, and the Villagers for what it is.
check out this nyt photo of bush. he must be extra stinky...
the nyt print edition has it and it's fully 1/3 of the page positioned at the top.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/0....html?
ref=world
Moe: the multiple options make a lot of sense. From what I've read, heat pumps sometimes need an extra kick when it gets really cold; you might do OK if you have, say, the heat pump and a decent fireplace for backup...
I just need to heat to 12 degrees with the heat pump.
ProfW, my favorite New Yahrk City author wrote Pecos Bill, cracks me up.
It's not funny to me. I see a pair of chompers along with countless others coming for me if this country goes cannibal.
Three cords of wood is a lot of work if you got it like I used to. The supplier dumped it in the front yard. This was after he cut down the trees and broke it into reasonable lengths. I then stacked it outside. Some years I moved maybe 100 logs inside and stack them. Then I had to move them into the fireplace daily. A lot of work.
V for Virginia: JP -- did you submit your excellent application letter? Any action?
Yep -- thanks for askin'! Had a regularly-scheduled meeting w/the boss and others, Wed., and he said we'd be moving quickly. The posting has already closed (5-day window, shortest allowable).
.
"Molly: make sure your students know that 'Strange Fruit' was written by a Jewish white guy from Brooklyn,"
no shit?
Honorary sheets.
I think the goal is to have as many different options as possible: heat pump, wood, solar water heater, and whatever else I can think of.
Moe
in my greenhouse research, i've learned that large standing amounts of water act as an excellent temp stabilizer. is there a way to incorporate a similar principle in your attempt to make your home off the grid entire?
my childhood home tapped into a underground waterflow that ran under the house. the machine blew air over it, which was added to solar and wood-heated air to help heat (or cool) the house year round. we would've been totally off the grid, but the DNR said no to the idea of a little generator in the river by the house.
I actually have some sympathy for them.
You're a generous soul. I try to be sympathetic, but some people in this country are just stupid beyond belief.
sheets of /Avedon.
A lot of work.
I'm getting four cords this spring. Yep, dumped in the front yard. Then I stack it along the side of the house for the summer, to let it dry out a bit more. Then, in the fall, I move it again, down to the basement. Then, as I need it, I move it back up the basement stairs to a stack next to the fireplace.
On top of all that, there's using the axe to split the various stumps I pick up here and there, and the hatchet to make kindling...
The Borg office I worked in had a heat pump system. It was lovely and cool in the summer, but a tad chilly in the winter. I think a bit south of NJ is the optimal location.
jdw: Abel Meeropol wrote 'Strange Fruit'. Taught in NYC public schools, too.
A classic old lefty. When the Rosenbergs were executed, he adopted their sons.
I actually have some sympathy for them.
You're a generous soul. I try to be sympathetic, but some people in this country are just stupid beyond belief.
Karin Hussein | 04.04.08 - 8:18 am
No disagreement there. Those would be our 19%, methinks. 
Seriously, though, it takes a long time to really change the mind of a mob. I'm just glad it seems to be happening.
Bush is having a press conference at 2:00pm today. He will announce that today is opposite today and everything is great! Jokes on you fuckers!!
"lobbyist pussy is the cure for all that ails ya"-John McCain
Sorry about our brand.
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