HULK SMASHED
This isn't possible.
who are these 19%?
Or perhaps it is.
Matthew, i think I was in hospital with a few of them last week.
What's really interesting is to look at the change over time in the poll answers. It's still true that Americans are anti-government. Otherwise, 40% wouldn't say that they want less government at the beginning of a recession.
Matthew, i think I was in hospital with a few of them last week. - Sallyh
Urrrrk. You better now?
81%... damn.
m'out
later
Forgot to add that opinions have shifted towards the Democratic direction.
Bo, I hate to ask, but could I get a seltzer with a lemon slice?
one word solution to the wrong track: Obama
Matthew, i think I was in hospital with a few of them last week.
Sallyh
to think only 35% in 2003 with the war about to start and all that...
It should have been 81 then and near 100 now
Bo, little by little. My baby brother came out from the East Coast to be with me for the week. He's been tremendously supportive.
these bidnessmen are complete failures with money
fiscal frauds
Hmph. I go to all the trouble of creating a limerick and then everybody takes their drinks and goes out to the patio...
There once was a troll uninvited
Whose shit-throwing fits had delighted
Only a few
Ok, none that we knew
For his antics were regarded benighted...
ellroon | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 12:54 am
these bidnessmen are complete failures with money
They're not the only ones.
Howcome Atrios never posts any Pixies videos?
Does he have bad taste? Is he a Philistine?
madeline albright, war criminal, is mad at herself for answering leslie stahl so forthrightly.
when wikipedia says you are a war criminal you know it's time for a new communications team.
I hear Kissinger Associates is available, at a very reasonable per diem
This sounds like awesome news for Republicans.
Seltzer and slice, Madam. Lamentably, I must to bed. Good thoughts for you.
good one ellroon
OK, I've got to get to bed. They'll expect me in the morning at work
goodnight good peeps, be well
stupid DFHs were right!!
again!
Does he have bad taste? Is he a Philistine?
Duane V | 04.04.08 - 12:59 am | #
more of a moabite, i think...
.
Time for Hillary to resign or face impeachment.
Now I want a peach pie so bad.
Okay, birdies say...goodnight!
when wikipedia says you are a war criminal you know it's time for a new communications team.
We are on the same track Saint Ronnie and Newt and Poppy and Big Time and Chimpy and all their ratfucking friends laid out for us. If people don't like where it's headed maybe they should think twice about dancing again with them what brung 'em here.
Here I sit, broken hearted,
Tried to think and only farted.
when wikipedia says you are a war criminal you know it's time for a new communications team.
Wikipedia says the population of African elephants has exploded in the last ten years.
The poll found that Americans blame government officials for the crisis more than banks or home buyers and other borrowers. Forty percent of respondents said regulators were mostly to blame, while 28 percent named lenders and 14 percent named borrowers.
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smart people. americans.
Howcome Atrios never posts any Pixies videos?
He's the last splash.
goodnight good peeps, be well
::matthew
Goodnight ::matthew!
Mark Green is a DLC punk. Malloy is right. Randi had every right to use the F word in a standup routine. Green is muzzling her because he's a Clinton kiss-ass.
only fitting to feature sanity for the late night selection, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...h?
v=uVHKQMzlVe4
Sallyh bags a frist? Nicely played!
Good night peeps. I'm out.
Exploding elephants is Africa's greatest problem.
This is what it looks like when 47 visitors are online and only three are posting.
In assessing possible responses to the mortgage crisis, Americans displayed a populist streak, favoring help for individuals but not financial institutions. A clear majority said they did not want the government to lend a hand to banks, even if the measures would help limit the depth of a recession.
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smart people.
really an amazing pole.
He's the last splash.
JeffCO
I'd settle for the Breeders..
keep passing the open windows. i'll be checking back for "sanity" on de front page, a-man
people not like murderous war bad economy ignorance as national policy? unpossible!
Hussein D, sorry, I'm still a little slow on the uptake.
This is what it looks like when 47 visitors are online and only three are posting.
Hussein Doghiney (D-TX)
I peeked in when there were only 6 last night. That's when I start singing Singing in the Rain and tap dancing. But it never seems to wake up the keyboard snoozers...
It's Friday in Texas, so I'm going to bed.
Peace out, freakazoids.
American people to GOP: you give us a headache!
At the same time, 68 percent said they favored trade restrictions to protect domestic industries, instead of allowing unrestrained trade. In early 1996, 55 percent favored such restrictions.
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68%!!!!!!
an with that bedtimes.
Forty percent of respondents said regulators were mostly to blame, while 28 percent named lenders and 14 percent named borrowers.
How many are ready to blame regulators because they're too few, and how many because they're too many?
De-regulation has been preached as gospel for a generation now, and it will take a generation to reverse.
How long has it been since the Republicans delivered a balanced budget? Yet who's the party of fiscal responsibility?
I believe it was Max Planck who said that new theories in physics don't get adopted so much as all the physicists who believed the old theories die.
Politics seems little different.
JeffCO I don't think I complemented you for your "H______ to good from them" pun.
Please repeat it for the rest of the night crew.
(This is like when an audience member yells out "FREE BIRD" okay not exactly like that, but you get the idea)
Forty percent of respondents said regulators were mostly to blame, while 28 percent named lenders and 14 percent named borrowers.
What regulators? The non-bank institutions are not under that kind of a regulation.
Hey Spocko, how're you doing?
In the poll, 81 percent of respondents said they believed that “things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track,” up from 69 percent a year ago and 35 percent in early 2003.
The thing that saddens me is that a whole bunch of these people are going to buy the "straight shooter/Maverick" garbage from the media and vote for McCain in November despite their dissatisfaction. Hopefully not enough for him to win, but certainly enough to make it a lot closer than it should be.
I'd settle for the Breeders..
They have a new album and tour- such a Deal!
In the poll, 81 percent of respondents said they believed that “things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track,” up from 69 percent a year ago and 35 percent in early 2003.
Yet, McCain is leading Obama in the polls? Are people really that stupid, or are the pollsters full of shit?
i like this one so much that i'll post it again, and very relevant it is to the thread topic:
1946 US government movie on DESPOTISM vs DEMOCRACY
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spocko!
You're just in time for me to bid everyone a good night.
Good Night batses.
I peeked in when there were only 6 last night. That's when I start singing Singing in the Rain and tap dancing. But it never seems to wake up the keyboard snoozers...
The six may have been reading a different thread. I think the number includes all people on all the threads.
They have a new album and tour- such a Deal!
JeffCO |
Kelly or Kim?
You know, when General Shinseki posited that it would taked several hundred thousand soldiers to take Iraq, it wasn't rocket science that made Wolfowicz and Rumsfeld publicly ridicule him.
They all knew that scale of ongoing foreign military US commitment would require a draft.
Echidne, I shall bake you a peach pie with butter crust in the near future.
I would just like to point out that in the last, say, 20 years, rich people (Hussein, Bin Laden, Bush) have killed more persons than poor people. Odd fact.
JeffCO I don't think I complemented you for your "H______ to good from them" pun. Please repeat it for the rest of the night crew.
♪ If I leave here tomorrrrrrrrrrrrrowwwwww, would you still remember meeeeeeeeee....
Aww, Sallyh. Looking forward to that pie. Now I'm going to make some green tea.
rich people (Hussein, Bin Laden, Bush) have killed more persons than poor people. Odd fact.
leibniz♘☮ |
They always have.
Yet, McCain is leading Obama in the polls? Are people really that stupid, or are the pollsters full of shit?
Duane V | 04.04.08 - 1:09 am | #
i have an article bookmarked on another computer that shows that the candidate leading in the polls in the spring has, more often than not, lost in the fall
general election polls can't be expected to begin to reflect the reality of the election until after labor day at the earliest...
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Echidne, I haven't brought anything to the party lately but misery, but I want that to change soon. I'll start with treats.
google searches...
"jazz sucks" 3,740
"rap sucks" 80,400
"punk sucks" 28.500
"heavy metal sucks" 5,230
"rock sucks" 34,500
"disco sucks" 75,800
Wrong track?
hell, the train left the track a while back and plunged off a big cliff.
Sallyh. I'm doing great. I got to meet a bunch of wonderful Atriots in Philly last weekend and when I got back I got some other good news.
The energy there was so great.
The god damn plane has crashed into the mountain!
4Legs, sometime around December 2000.
I hope Sandra Day O'Connor lies awake nights.
i have an article bookmarked on another computer that shows that the candidate leading in the polls in the spring has, more often than not, lost in the fall
I know Clinton was behind even Ross Perot at one point back in 1992.
Good night everyone!
Breeders tour dates
JeffCO |
Thanks!!
(Mark Green Sucks 100,000 searches)
Spocko, I was pretty heartbroken not to be there, and even more so that I was too sick even if I'd been available.
Yet, McCain is leading Obama in the polls? Are people really that stupid, or are the pollsters full of shit?
Duane V | 04.04.08 - 1:09 am | #
Knocking on doors for obama and going to the convention and caucus forced me to talk politics with all sorts of people - and I came to the conclusion that McCain's brand as "mr. integrity" is very strong.
I hope Sandra Day O'Connor lies awake nights.
Me too.
hell, the train left the track a while back and plunged off a big cliff.
We've been into sith lord territory for a few years now.
We've been into sith lord territory for a few years now.
Where's my fucking lightsabre?
I guess it really was "no bye, no aloha.."
hell, the train left the track a while back and plunged off a big cliff.
It's the Wabash Cannonball!
Good night David (Austin Tx)
Night 4LG
and I came to the conclusion that McCain's brand as "mr. integrity" is very strong.
rootless-e |
And very, very WRONG.
Hagueing too good for 'em!
Good night everyone! fourlegsgood
I came to the conclusion that McCain's brand as "mr. integrity" is very strong.
The bullshit narrative. Fuck the fucking media. They are a far worse threat to this country than Osama could ever dream to be.
Air America needs to reinstate Randi Rhoads, now.
And very, very WRONG.
Duane V | 04.04.08 - 1:16 am | #
what does that have to do with it?
the question is whether it can be broken and then whether the eventual dem nominee can do it, and if not whether someone else can/will.
If Hillary gets the nomination, I suspect her crack team will run against "our honorable friend" and thereby do the standard dem trick of accepting the framing of the opponent.
So if hillary is the nominee, it will need a smart independent group to beat mccain.
and I came to the conclusion that McCain's brand as "mr. integrity" is very strong.
rootless-e |
And very, very WRONG.
Veveeta's brand as cheese is also both very strong, and very, very wrong.
This is the result of having a nation where marketing is a college major.
Davis, finally, this past year, the business dept. took over teaching its majors their own watery version of stats.
Beats having them in my classes.
I haven't brought anything to the party lately but misery, but I want that to change soon.
If we don't take turns sourcing and receiving we all stagnate.
google...
"McCain sucks" 13,500
"Hillary sucks" 23,500
"Obama sucks" 23,700
they're having remarkable success in refining the question toward the one they can push-poll and get unanimous consent.
This is the result of having a nation where marketing is a college major.
Davis X. Machina | 04.04.08 - 1:20 am | #
I think it is the result of having a nation where the opposition considers marketing to be beneath them. Some of the obama hatred out there is due to his unwillingness to provide the dull lists that some of the democratic party faithful take to be evidence of substance.
The bullshit narrative. Fuck the fucking media. They are a far worse threat to this country than Osama could ever dream to be.
Richard |
McCain is a racist warmongering unbalanced old fuck. He is a whore, who kissed the ass of the person who smeared his family, just to achieve his current status as the nominee of the Repug party.
The media is simply fawning over him, from C-Span, to the three networks, CNN, etc. It is absolutely disgusting.
McCain also has the media on his side. He must be serving some real delicacies to them.
google...
"McCain sucks" 13,500
"Hillary sucks" 23,500
"Obama sucks" 23,700
too bad. I bet Walnuts could give pretty good hummer with the teeth out.
We really had it good after WWII. Jesus Criminy we had it good. We ran through cheap oil, cheap food, cheap everything like a bunch of locusts with no thought about tomorrow.
Hagueing too good for 'em!
spocko |
I've got the piano wire if you've got the lamppost!
We really had it good after WWII. Jesus Criminy we had it good. We ran through cheap oil, cheap food, cheap everything like a bunch of locusts with no thought about tomorrow.
You did, didn't you?
McCain also has the media on his side. He must be serving some real delicacies to them.
Echidne | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 1:24 am | #
the theme that mccain is less dishonest than the other democratic candidate (the one the speaker is not supporting) is pretty common on taylor-marsh and correntewire and i heard it from a wide selection of obama supporters who are not traditional democrats too.
i heard it from a wide selection of obama supporters who are not traditional democrats too.
rootless-e
At least he's honest about the Gooks, huh?
Duane V. That was JeffCOs line. I don't advocate violence. I want to be clear.
It was a pun.
the theme that mccain is less dishonest than the other democratic candidate (the one the speaker is not supporting) is pretty common on taylor-marsh and correntewire and i heard it from a wide selection of obama supporters who are not traditional democrats too.
And the theme comes from the media.
I don't advocate violence. I want to be clear.
It was a pun.
spocko
Neither do I.
You did, didn't you?
Echidne
I was the youngest of four, born in 1960 Northern Virginia suburbia.
I really was worryless until puberty.
Can't people joke about Benito Mussolini anymore?
And the theme comes from the media.
Echidne | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 1:28 am | #
Yes.
But people are buying it so far.
Dean understands that, i'm confident the obama people understand it, i'm confident that the clinton people do not.
we are all victims of the media narrative, about all of the candidates
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The thing that really freaks me, is that if Senator Obama gets elected to the Oval Office, I will have a President who is younger than I am.
We ran through cheap oil,
still do. the big mistake was the internal combustion engine. you'll never get better than 50% energy efficiency with those; you're doing well to get 20%. Even hybrids have the architectural problems that bring engine efficiency way down.
Fully electric vehicles are the way to go. Lithium battery technology is rapidly getting us there. Small ICEs for hybrid long-range highway vehicles until hydrogen cells are widely available.
Then we can start addressing the problem of the filthy technology that generates our electricity.
And the theme comes from the media.
As corrupt an institution as there is today.
Duane V. That was JeffCOs line. I don't advocate violence. I want to be clear. It was a pun.
Forgive 'em - it'll teach 'em a lesson.
rootless-e
lambert is flushing the corrente wire brand down the drain. as is jeralyn merritt over at Talk Left.
don't worry about the the Clintonista dead-enders like Jerome Armstrong, or lambert, or taylor marsh.
honest to goodness Clinton supporters like ChiDyke etc will vote for President Obama, so don't worry about the dead-enders like lambert. one can only have one's head up one's ass for so long.
though it is interesting to watch how brand "liberal" plays out this primary
By the way, two clicks down you have this wonderful page rootless-e
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
And you can drill down to the next step and get even MORE details!
We can't force people to click and read. But if the narrative is "there are no details" well by gum we will believe the narrative vs. Going to the place where detail are actually listed.
I hate Powerpoint slides where the person says, "You probably can't read this because it's too small" because they jammed all the details in a format that isn't designed from more than 3 or 4 bullet points.
You want details? They exist. If it's not enough for some people, well then that is a different story. Start with what exists.
But people are buying it so far.
Dean understands that, i'm confident the obama people understand it, i'm confident that the clinton people do not.
rootless-e
I don't think so. I think the media echo chamber is just bouncing the fictional narrative back and forth constantly. I'm sick of the bullshit.
Can't people joke about Benito Mussolini anymore?
Mussolini invented wet T-shirt night, which is why he was called Il Douche. It's a fact!
Alls I know about the Boomer parents is that whatever challenges they faced, they found a way to fuck. A lot.
here's from hillary's speech to afl-cio in pa
. But I am here to tell you, Senator John McCain, a friend of mine, someone whose service to our country I admire, is only offering more of the same.
Mussolini invented wet T-shirt night, which is why he was called Il Douche. It's a fact!
JeffCO
They only wore black shirts because it was after Labor Day!
I was the youngest of four, born in 1960 Northern Virginia suburbia.
I really was worryless until puberty.
As it should have been, of course.
a 50 State Strategy:
Improve Public Schools: From the moment our children step into a classroom, the single most important factor in determining their achievement is their teacher. Barack Obama values teachers and the central role that they play in education. He will work to ensure competent, effective teachers in schools that are organized for success. Obama's K-12 plan will expand service scholarships to recruit and prepare teachers who commit to working in underserved districts. To support teachers, Obama will foster ongoing improvements in teacher education, provide mentoring for beginning teachers, create incentives for shared planning and learning time for teachers. To retain teachers, Obama will support career pathways that provide ongoing professional development and reward accomplished teachers for their expertise. This Career Ladder initiative will help eliminate teacher shortages in hard-to-staff areas and subjects, improve teacher retention rates, strengthen teacher preparation programs, improve professional development, and better utilize and reward accomplished teachers.
big mistake was the internal combustion engine
chapter in future history books:
Reality As Dramatic Narrative In The Petroleum Era
"... as it became increasingly necessary to influence the public understanding of government actions in order to hide the extant that economic actions served the petroleum industry more than than they served the community... puppet shows such as meaningless conflicts between political figures served to give the impression that ordinary people still had an influence on policy..."
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Wikipedia says the population of African elephants has exploded in the last ten years.
Was it like a string of fire crackers or more like roman candles?
Mussolini invented wet T-shirt night
Upside down wet T-shirt night might be a decent homage to him.
We can't force people to click and read. But if the narrative is "there are no details" well by gum we will believe the narrative vs. Going to the place where detail are actually listed.
Hey, Spocko, you may remember Art Agnos' successful run for mayor of SF in the late 80s when he put a copy of a little paperback book on everybody's doorstep that detailed all his proposals. It made a big impact and may have got him elected.
Why more politicians don't do that sort of thing, I don't know. The internet's great, but it's passive. When someone says "Whaddaya gonna do about...?", which is the better response: to say "if you go to www-dot and look up my paper on..." or to hand them a printed book and say "turn to page 42"?
You want details? They exist. If it's not enough for some people, well then that is a different story. Start with what exists.
spocko | Homepage | 04.04.08 - 1:35 am | #
My assessment is that some of the die-hard anti-obamians have deep attachment to a certain image of seriousness. This is not a serious concern about issues - but a concern about what signals they are convinced convey seriousness. And, at the bottom, some of that is race and age. A younger black kid who has Obama's style of speaking strikes them as less serious than an older woman wearing reading glasses and providing a list - no matter how vacuous the list.
Everyone in the "activist" side of the electorate wants to believe themselves to be seeing through the hype that the others are falling for (myself included, of course).
¿There may be some nice points in this editorial, but is Bob "8 to 0" Shrum the one joo want making them?
Pffft.
i'm finding ways to fuck a lot and i am
Can't people joke about Benito Mussolini anymore?
Benito Mussolini walks into a bar and says, 'The trains aren't running on time!" and the bartender says
"Put them on my bill!"
Alls I know about the Boomer parents is that whatever challenges they faced, they found a way to fuck. A lot.
(whoops) i'm finding ways to fuck a lot and i am
Hey, El Gato - I'm rooting for your cousin in the Kentucky Derby this year!
Thirty Helens agree: time for bed! G'night beautiful Atriosians!
night JeffCO!!
die-hard anti-obamians
i have real trouble understanding how any democrat supporting one of the candidates can have a serious problem voting for the other in the general
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Benito Mussolini, George Bush and Adolf Hitler walk into a bar..George says, "I'd like to order a round for me and my buddies!", Hitler and Mussolini look at each other and say, simultaneously, "Who's the monkey?"
I may be a cult of one, but I think Tom Brokaw was a hideous example of good US jounalism.
I've got the Office on in the background. It is very funny.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/
ne...id=a1x33cpzAa4Y
In the poll, 81 percent of respondents said they believed that “things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track”...
81% of Americans Believe We're on the Wrong Track -
The Other 19% Support John McCain
I've got the Office on in the background. It is very funny.
My lovely wife is watching Season One of "Soap."
Billy Crystal just made a Woodward and Bernstein joke...
I don't want "aw, shucks" anymore. "Aw, shucks" is a shitty way to run a nation the size of the United States.
I want smart people to run things.
shrum is a god! now i understand.
out of afghanistan now!
shrum is a god! now i understand.
notaboomer
Mysterious are the ways of the shrum...
And fuck the Pennsylvania "Reagan Democrats". They can kiss my ass for churning out generation after generation of people who are pissed because nobody wants to buy the shit they make at the local plant.
I don't want "aw, shucks" anymore. "Aw, shucks" is a shitty way to run a nation the size of the United States.
I want smart people to run things.
MP
But "folksy" plays so well in the Red States...Can't have beer with a nerd!
the berube story on tpm about obama and the llama was funny in an enraging sort of way.
fuck the Pennsylvania "Reagan Democrats".
I just wish they'd stop voting repug..
As Paul Krugman said at EscahCon 08 "The Week dollar is all we have going for us."
But "folksy" plays so well in the Red States...Can't have beer with a nerd!
Duane V | 04.04.08 - 1:57 am | #
So the smart big city liberals at correntewire spent a big part of the day explaining why obama's ham sandwich showed him to be an upper class elitist.
Chuckleheadism is not confined to the red states.
dave™© -- you never write anymore....you never call...is it my breath?
Chuckleheadism is not confined to the red states.
rootless-e |
I'm SHOCKED. SHOCKED, I tell you...
Arkansas really is a red state:
http://www.goes.noaa.gov/ECIR4.html
ok i couldn't findy any llama obama story at tpm but i did see that ronpaul is back so my neighbor's plan of keeping his rp yard sign up worked.
though it is interesting to watch how brand "liberal" plays out this primary
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 04.04.08 - 1:35 am | #
yes indeed.
Obama's speech to the AFL-CIO is really good.
http://www.barackobama.com/2008/
...arack_oba_3.php
Compared to Hillary's speech to the same group, it is quite radical.
Oh, shit, it's back...