I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Hey Avedon Carol, I have a new, very linkable, post on my blog.. (hint hint)
Deja vuen?
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Hello moonbats
everyone is asleep in Chez Moonbootica, except me!
mer?
Ahoy-hoy!
in this thread, the siren song of trolls will not lead me into the shoals.
Fablous Friday Cat Blogging
Yes, it is, Kid. Cream your jeans.
I like that Wolf Blitzer/Rudy Guiliani clip on TPM better. They are finally calling him on his shit.
hey, I have been saying this for weeks on this comment page and at FDL.
to paraphrase:
Oppose Mukasey on torture, on executive power, on unitary executive nullification of the law and refusal to guarantee action on Congressional subpoenas. If we wanted a monarchy, we didnt need a revolution or a Constitution.
Senators take an oath to uphold it. Bush is challenging you to defend your branch of government.
Separately, look back in history to Watergate, when Dems had real spine. When E. Richardson was nominated as AG after the disgraced Mitchell and Kleindeinst were forced from the AG office, Richardson at his confirmation hearings agreed to appoint a special prosecutor and the terms for that were worked out. I think they even agreed on Archie Cox. You can look it up.
We have perhaps more serious abuses at stake here; certainly they go to the heart of what the Constitution and our country stand for. Any AG nominee should be required to do what Richardson did. We need an independent investigation of lawlessness by this WH and DOJ. The evidence of their abuses has been testified to under oath to your committee.
In 19700-72, Dems had some spine on the SJC. I hope that is still true.
We're watching the original The Office right now.
Good stuff.
I'm so disgusted with the Democrats that I'm voting Nazi party in 2008...
Well, shit.
Snugglebunny: Your work addy got spammed, I take it? Gave the mail server fits, or some such thing?
No; worse.
I had to send an e-mail out promoting the dean's lecture, next week. Sent a test e-mail to co-worker; it showed the "From:" as the name of the department, as it should have. Sent the actual mail, and the "From:" line read from the dean, herself... which looked pretty self-promoting, duh.
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Yes, it is, Kid. Cream your jeans.
Oh man. A front page link. *weeps tears of joy*
NTodd.
I'm joining the Sauron Sorehead party
I'm so disgusted with the Democrats that I'm voting Nazi party in 2008...
At least it's an ethos...
Review/Britz, a compassionate and thoughtful film about a British suicide bomber.
We're watching the original The Office right now.
Good stuff.
Zap Rowsdower
Pre-empted Little Britain, so I'm pissed at it.
dont be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the nazi party--
producers
I'm so disgusted with the Democrats that I'm voting Nazi party in 2008...
NTodd
Who's their candidate? I could get on that train...
Oh man. A front page link. *weeps tears of joy*
[adds TKK to The Hit List]
Evening, all
"Partial Drowning" interrogation.
Yes, that's very good. I like that.
night DWD!
I'm so pissed at the Democrats I've opted to slaughter my family.
or hello DWD.
so fucking indeterminate english
Pre-empted Little Britain, so I'm pissed at it.
Wee Britain?
/Arrested Development
Naw, we're watching it on DVD.
difi and schumer
go with goebbels.
you should see the other guys on adolf's list for head of the ss.
As long as you think you're white, there's no hope for you
Who's their candidate? I could get on that train...
Some little man whose name escapes, but he's got a lot of passion and has some interesting ideas about annexing Newfoundland.
I'm so disgusted with the Democrats that I'm voting Nazi party in 2008...
NTodd
Who's their candidate? I could get on that train...
whiskey girl
Cheney.
Yuck, TKK's pants are a subject of this thread.
Leahy should schedule testimony from this guy next Monday or Tuesday.
Followed by a waterboarding demonstration. Mandatory participation by all committee members.
...and just because a proud dad can't link often enough to a nice picture of his youngest, performing in her play: http://cplayers.com/
I'm so disgusted with the Democrats that I'm voting Nazi party in 2008...
With regards to the tax cuts the GOP allegedly gives him, I have serious doubts that "DC Exile" even makes enough money to pay taxes.
Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.
Somebody send that essay to DiFi. Maybe she still can be shamed into doing the right thing.
Naw, we're watching it on DVD.
Zap Rowsdower
Funny, it's on BBC America too.
Wee Britain?
For British Eyes OWN-LEEEEEE!
Yuck, TKK's pants are a subject of this thread.
Not just his pants, his creamed pants...
I'm so disgusted with the Democrats that I'm voting Nazi party in 2008...
NTodd
Say what you will about the....
The Democrats have disappointed me so much I'm going to kill Thers.
The struggle over oppressive government unconstitutional overreaching was not decided by political jujitsu, as much as JewJewJew.
Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.
I'm just a soldier in the war on poverty!
Oh JP, is THAT all?
You are FINE. I mean, you're on the boss's sh*t-list for awhile b/c the dept's got egg on their face, but shoot --
NOT fatal. You have already punished yourself more than they ever will.
I am actually glad to hear it's a case of "high profile humiliation" but not truly serious.
It will sting for a bit but you, and your reputation, and your boss' esteem for you, will absolutely recover. Truly.
Somebody send that essay to DiFi. Maybe she still can be shamed into doing the right thing.
mrstrailerco
heh.
You funny, maing.
you know if DiFi is really retireing there is not fucking chance of changing her. she's gone lieberschnitzle.
The Democrats have disappointed me so much I'm going to kill Thers.
NTodd, Homophone Alone
Then who will Molly have to turn to?
Somebody send that essay to DiFi. Maybe she still can be shamed into doing the right thing.
She's a few kreplach short of a bowl of soup.
At least I wear pants!
I have serious doubts that "DC Exile" even makes enough money to pay taxes.
No, see, he says he's rich. That's enough for me!
in this thread, the siren song of trolls will not lead me into the shoals.
Bwa ha ha ha ha!
if DiFi is really retireing there is not fucking chance of changing her.
There never was.
She's been a fascist fetishist from Day One.
Congress should get off the pot and get a special prosecutor to handle this. And many other things, like political fucks at DOJ ruining things eight ways from Sunday.
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bush/cheney and the republicans are succeeding in their criminality ONLY because the democrats are betraying America by letting them.
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Bush vetoes popular water projects bill
Bush had long threatened to veto the $23 billion bill, targeted for projects including coastal restoration in Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina and improving the Florida Everglades, saying it was too expensive because it had unneeded projects supported by individual lawmakers.
Democrats said they would try to override the president's veto as early as next week. The measure passed both houses of Congress with more than the two thirds majorities needed to override a presidential veto.
White House Press Secretary Dana Perino called the measure "fiscally irresponsible" and said Bush cast the fifth veto of his presidency before leaving for a trip to South Carolina.
http://today.reuters.com/news/ar...TO-UPDATE-
3.XML
bush vetoes money for Louisiana, Florida and some other pretty important water projects supported by more than two thirds of both the house and senate. Of course that means the dems have fail yet again. This is not a bitter mean spirited little jackass practicing jackassery, it’s a dem failure.
Oh and the SC trip is a fundraiser for confirmed bachelor lindsey graham.
Downloaded the new Radiohead this evening... I like it.
Like the "name your own price" feature, too.
I prolly paid too much.
Then who will Molly have to turn to?
Hmmm...truly a puzzlement.
Shooting first, asking question (much) later
Congress should get off the pot and get a special prosecutor to handle this.
I think only the AG can appoint a SP.
i am so disappointed. are we just alone here?
in this thread, the siren song of trolls will not lead me into the shoals.
river river river have mercy...
go with goebbels.
"I'm raring with Goering! My gerbils love Goebbels!"
bush/cheney and the republicans are succeeding in their criminality ONLY because the democrats are betraying America by letting them.
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pluege
So vote Republican!
Sens. Dianne Feinstein of California and Charles Schumer of New York announced they would support Michael Mukasey.
Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
this post makes you sound like a human
Sounds like orc-mischief to me...
Thers | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 9:40 pm
Great.
Now when I read your comments, my mind will read them in the voice of Treebeard.
I'm so disgusted with the Democrats that I'm voting Nazi party in 2008...
Why vote for wannabes when you can go for the real thing?
Downloaded the new Radiohead this evening... I like it.
Like the "name your own price" feature, too.
I prolly paid too much.
I paid ten bucks for it. Worth it, I'd say.
The first few songs are great, but gets a little weaker after that, IMHO.
Pfft. If we had ever been here before we would certainly know just what to do.
I dunno, I think I honestly expected this collapse. To tell the truth, the Democrats have not stood for anything: why should they start now?
But isn't this hurting their fundraising? My nephew (the new Buddha) is visiting again and the Democrats called him for money and he read them chapter and verse about not standing against the Republicans and until they did they would not see one thin dime and stuff.
Are the corporations simply taking the place of the people?
the special prosecutor law is kaputt. not more.
there cant be a special prosecutor (Congressional at least) with out new legislation.
i suppose the house and senate could pass resolutions which created a special committee that had a specific prosecutorial intent. is that what they did in Watergate? or was that the House Judiciary subcommitees?
who knows.
Downloaded the new Radiohead this evening... I like it.
Like the "name your own price" feature, too.
I prolly paid too much.
Downloaded it last week. I underpaid and will be sending them some dough later because it's really grown on me. Even used Bodysnatchers in a Paxcast.
I think only the AG can appoint a SP.
Yep, you're fucked fucked fucked.
Why vote for wannabes when you can go for the real thing?
dmark
Why is why I'm voting Cthullu.
Are the corporations simply taking the place of the people?
DWD - Revolution of One
Why yes... yes they are.
OT: As if nature were making a small conciliatory gesture for the appalling weather that blighted this year's summer, deciduous trees are bursting into glorious explosions of autumnal red and gold.
Tree experts say the very wet summer and drier autumn that followed have resulted in some of the most spectacular leaf displays in recent times and Britain's Indian summer seems intent on holding on for one final weekend this year.
Visitors enjoying the clement air yesterday at the Westonbirt Arboretum near Tetbury in Gloucestershire, were treated to a feast of autumn colours splashed across the park's trees. Temperatures in the South reached a high of 18C (65F).
http://news.independent.co.uk/
uk...icle3124255.ece
the special prosecutor law is kaputt. not more.
No, I thought the Independent Counsel law is kaput. AG can still appoint an SP.
go with goebbels.
he is better than gonzalez.
goering is the back up candidate.
Democrats said they would try to override the president's veto as early as next week. The measure passed both houses of Congress with more than the two thirds majorities needed to override a presidential veto.
As if he hasn't done enough to prove to world that he's the biggest fucking asshole on the planet.
What a waste of organic molecules.
I'm simply going to have to turn the heat up another couple of degrees. I can't get warm.
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No, I thought the Independent Counsel law is kaput. AG can still appoint an SP.
NTodd, Homophone Alone | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 9:56 pm | #
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i meant congressional.
the AG can always appoint
In the Chicago area? Please consider attending a really excellent talk on Iran, with guest speaker Dr. Bamshad Mobasher, a professor at DePaul University, born in Iran. He is the leader of the Oak Park Coalition for Truth and Justice.
It's Sunday, November 11, at the First United Methodist Church of Downers Grove, 1032 Maple Avenue, Downers Grove, at 6:30.
See www.dupagepeace.org for details.
This is going to be a truly brilliant evening. Questions and comments from the audience will be welcome, and he will cover the 1905 revolution, the 1953 overthrow of Mosaddeq, the 1979 revolution and present day stuff. Please come and tell all!
My fear, which I really had dismissed up until this week, is that this election will never be fair and if by some quirk of failed software the Dems win, the Republicans will never leave.
lipitor for AG.
ask your doctor.
Sounds like orc-mischief to me...
Thers
Maybe troll nuggets
go with goebbels.
he is better than gonzalez.
goering is the back up candidate.
peterboy
Depends on who they want to appoint Secretary of Fatherland Security.
Who's their candidate? I could get on that train...
whiskey girl
Cheney.
lipreader
That's the interesting thing. Neo-nazis hate Bush/Cheney as much as normal people.
Chip Berlet has looked at some left/right tactical political alliances in the past. He never thought it was likely to happen here. Always ends bad for the left.
http://www.publiceye.org/sucker_...unch/
clues.html
I'm simply going to have to turn the heat up another couple of degrees. I can't get warm.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
You need a pot bellied pig. They're living hot water bottles.
I'm simply going to have to turn the heat up another couple of degrees. I can't get warm.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Are you wearing a hat 'cause that really helps.
No, see, he says he's rich. That's enough for me!
C is for cookie. That's good enough for me.
partner beauty went to yoga.
i am trying tequila and beer.
I prefer ahh to ohm tonight.
The Metropolitan police commissioner Sir Ian Blair was told yesterday that his resignation would not be accepted as the force braced itself for a new report criticising it over the Stockwell shooting.
Len Duvall, a Labour politician who chairs the Metropolitan Police Authority, told the Guardian he would not let Sir Ian quit over the shooting dead of Jean Charles de Menezes: "If he offered his resignation over Stockwell I would not accept it."
Insiders say the force is "very concerned" about its leader coming under more pressure next week when the official report into the errors the Met made that led to De Menezes being shot dead is finally published by the Independent Police Complaints Commission.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
terror...2204522,00.html
i am completely knackered.
flipside.
There was a story out there today about a little town in Tennessee that has run completely out of water due to drought and needs to truck in what they can get. People only have so many hours a day to do the dishes, laundry and fill jugs to provide water for the rest of the day.
I also saw where Atlanta has only 110 days of water left. Sometimes its nice to live 1 mile South of Lake Erie.
Repeat from the dead thread below:
Too bad Eli never comes here anymore. He's got a great story out of Missouri.
Okay, so: Missouri’s Republican Governor Matt Blunt decides that if it’s good enough for Dubya, it’s good enough for him, and starts deleting e-mails, in direct violation of the state’s sunshine laws. Staff attorney Scott Eckersley points out that breaking the law is, in fact, illegal. So Blunt, of course, fires him.
Since Eckersley wouldn’t keep his fool trap shut, Blunt and his staff set about trying to smear and discredit Eckersley, and claim that he was fired for performance and behavioral reasons, and that he never said anything about the e-mail deletions being illegal.
Now here’s the beauty part: As part of the smear campaign, BluntCo. released a whole bunch of Eckersley’s e-mails to the media… including the one where he warned that deleting e-mails was illegal. Brilliant!
Link here
The video is priceless.
i'm drunk
Somebody send that essay to DiFi. Maybe she still can be shamed into doing the right thing.
mrstrailerco | 11.02.07 - 9:49 pm | #
If the Dead Kennedys couldn't shame Diane Banker Buttlicker Margaret Thatcher Feinstein (the Dragon Lady with no fuckin' heart), nobody can.
Go to hell, DiFi.
~
I'm so disgusted with the Democrats that I'm voting Nazi party in 2008...
NTodd, Homophone Alone
As opposed to Vichy Democrats?
If we had ever been here before we would certainly know just what to do.
You know, it makes me wonder what's going on under the ground.
whiskey girl: Are you wearing a hat 'cause that really helps.
Naw, that makes the top half too warm; it's the legs/feet I can't get warm.
.
As if he hasn't done enough to prove to world that he's the biggest fucking asshole on the planet.
The Bush family crest should henceforth be an image of an upraised middle finger superimposed on an image of the planet.
I think only the AG can appoint a SP.
Right, so Congress must force him to by conditioning the AG appointment on same as Dean at the link says, and otherwise raising hell until oobvious progress is made. Forty-one united D Senators can stop anything they want to stop. Etc.
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Ohio 23 Temple 7
Heh
i'm drunk
Moonbootica, Der Rosenkavalier
I'm envious.
I'm not knackered, drunk, or a female.
But I'm a buzzed man. That's gotta count for something...
i meant congressional.
This makes no sense. Congressional what?
The IC law was allowed to expire. What does that have to do with SPs?
The fate of more than 60 Iraqis being held by British forces is in the balance after hearings this week before the law lords of potentially huge significance for the conduct of future international military operations abroad.
The little-noticed hearings were brought by lawyers acting for Hilal al-Jedda, who has dual British-Iraqi nationality and is one of 62 individuals detained indefinitely by British troops in Basra. British military commanders say he is a security risk.
Mr Jedda came to Britain as an asylum seeker in 1992. He says he returned to Iraq after the fall of Saddam to see his family and friends and introduce his wife to them. His lawyers say it is not surprising he knew people suspected of being insurgents, but that does not mean he was in any way involved in planning a terrorist attack.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/
S...2204470,00.html
I'm simply going to have to turn the heat up another couple of degrees. I can't get warm.
Electric blanket?
I'm simply going to have to turn the heat up another couple of degrees. I can't get warm.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
You need a pot bellied pig. They're living hot water bottles.
lipreader | 11.02.07 - 9:57 pm | #
First true cold spell for us in Ohio coming next week, supposed to be highs in the 40's.
You're supposed to be in the 50's. So better stock up on those pigs.
Thanks Avedon Carol!
Dad is so negligent sometimes. You'd think he was getting a life or something
i am completely knackered.
Underneath it all, I am fully knickered.
tequila is all gone...
and
I said it before Josh!
Ohio 23 Temple 7
Blasphemers!
err dean
i'm drunk
Moonbootica, Der Rosenkavalier
Pleased to meecha. [sweeps off hat, bows]
Forty-one united D Senators can stop anything they want to stop.
Best of luck on getting 41 to do anything other than jack each other off on CSPAN.
that babe on the Kenosha Kid's blog, would make me want to take a dip.
I'd still pass on undergoing partial drowning waterboarding, or whatever the thugs are calling their torture these days.
Hah, I'm working in aerospace but not for military purposes. Supposedly this is impossible in Tucson, but I did it!
If we had ever been here before we would certainly know just what to do.
Probably.
I'm a liberal...currently a Democrat, but that is, as of now, under duress. I've been disappointed before but now I'm disgusted.
smoke em if you got em.
You know, it makes me wonder what's going on under the ground.
NTodd, Homophone Alone
Keep yer nose out of MY business.
Naw, that makes the top half too warm; it's the legs/feet I can't get warm.
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 9:59 pm | #
Too much sitting, I'm afraid.
Let's both do 10 jumping jacks and meet back here, 'kay?
Best of luck on getting 41 to do anything other than jack each other off on CSPAN.
NTodd, Homophone Alone
I thought they used airport restrooms for that...
Pleased to meecha. [sweeps off hat, bows]
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 10:01 pm | #
nice to meet you sir *curtsey's*
Ohio 23 Temple 7
Heh - The Jester
For Christ's sake, haven't the Jews suffered enough?
A nice piece, as always, John Dean.
Sadly, I doubt if there are five Democrats in the Senate who would even have the courage to utter the words "war crime" on the Senate floor, let alone demand the appointment of a Special Prosecutor as a precondition to Mukasey's appointment.
You're supposed to be in the 50's. So better stock up on those pigs.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
I have one, and that's plenty.
the Kenosha Kid's blog
Kenosha has a blog?
(...scuttles away quickly...)
watertiger,
My English friend used that phrase once: She said she was ready for the "Knackeryards." I had never heard that and she had to explain it to me. As I remember it, it is the place where draft horses are sent to just before they go to the glue factory. (They are tired and worn out beyond repair and the knackeryard is the paddock adjacent the rendering barns.)
i am completely knackered.
flipside.
But it's Friday Nite! And we were going to do each other's nails!
war crime
impeach
water board the executive branch
Can't be too drunk if you can curtsy without falling down.
I'm simply going to have to turn the heat up another couple of degrees. I can't get warm.
Electric blanket?
Karin
It's 47 degress here in Boston.
Winter's a-comin'.
Sigh.
If we had ever been here before we would certainly know just what to do.
Most don't realize they were there at that point until it's too late. Just the canaries and they are all dead by...
You know, it makes me wonder what's going on under the ground. NTodd
You can find out on the new DKNY remaster.
You're supposed to be in the 50's. So better stock up on those pigs.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
I have one, and that's plenty.
lipreader | 11.02.07 - 10:03 pm
Aren't you in the New Carlisle area?
News quote of the week about the Washington Republican who paid $1000 for gay sex ($1K--good god that better have been some amazing sex)--anyhow, for the quote: "We cannot repeat here what they did but it involved lingerie, rope, and stethoscopes."
Stethoscopes? Maybe it was worth $1000.
i was using "special prosecutor" in the broader sense to include the independent counsel.
like I use "impeachment" in the broader sense to include both impeachment and conviction and removal.
: P
I think only the AG can appoint a SP.
Right, so Congress must force him to by conditioning the AG appointment on same as Dean at the link says, and otherwise raising hell until oobvious progress is made. Forty-one united D Senators can stop anything they want to stop. Etc.
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QuentinCompson&TheDisbelievers | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 10:00 pm | #
The dems can do this the dems should do that.
They won't.
nice to meet you sir *curtsey's*
Moonbootica, Der Rosenkavalier
British women are even polite when knackered.
Probably.
Larry Craig butt pirate
G'night, anally fixated evil twin.
You're supposed to be in the 50's. So better stock up on those pigs.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
I have one, and that's plenty.
lipreader | 11.02.07 - 10:03 pm
Aren't you in the New Carlisle area?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Yep.
im drunk too.
moon, if you please, British idiom for drunk?
I've been disappointed before but now I'm disgusted.
I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused.
John Henry looks like he belongs in Philadelphia, circa 1775.
You can find out on the new DKNY remaster.
I'm not buying another goddamned copy. That would be, like, deja vu all over again.
Ooooh, The Soup will have the Dog the Bounty Hunter stuff...
moon, if you please, British idiom for drunk?
Other than 'pissed'?
moon, if you please, British idiom for drunk?
isn't it "pissed"?
war crime
impeach
water board the executive branch
peterboy
Now, I have a bridge I can sell you. It is in Brooklyn. If you are not interested in that, how about some lovely near the beach property in the Sunshine State? Or some property out in Arizona with a limitless supply of water? How about the Tooth Fairy concession for your neighborhood - only a thousand dollars down and it pays amazingly well.
byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
love to all the bats. I gotta scramsky
G'night, anally fixated evil twin.
That's the ticket!! There are three of me!!
i was using "special prosecutor" in the broader sense to include the independent counsel.
like I use "impeachment" in the broader sense to include both impeachment and conviction and removal.
Ah, so inaccurately, ambiguously, and wrong. Gotcha. ;-P
im drunk too.
moon, if you please, British idiom for drunk?
euphronius | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 10:05 pm | #
Plastered, Slaughtered
Probably.
Larry Craig butt pirate
Using my old nome de TROLL??
DWD....
i wasnt predicting anything. no takee the bridgeee
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
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Aren't you in the New Carlisle area?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Yep.
lipreader | 11.02.07 - 10:05 pm
Thought you were in the neighborhood.
'night, all.
PISSED?
Slaughtered?
Oi!
im slaughtered, lol
Thought you were in the neighborhood.
'night, all.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Sleep warm!
That Atlanta in the humid southeast will run out of water before Phoenix is pretty amazing.
What's a "soppy pratt"?
i wasnt predicting anything. no takee the bridgeee
But this is a gooooood bridge, made by the master bridge builder, John Augustus Roebling.
other drunk terms - Hammered, blotto, sozzled, paralytic, legless, under the influence, stoned, smashed, well-oiled, one over the eight, three sheets to the wind, tanked-up, bombed, plastered, sloshed, intoxicated, inebriated, smashed, pickled, high, bombed, stewed, tanked, tanked-up, sloshed, soused, liquored up, loaded, crocked
does that help
"On the bright side, Michael Richards has a brand new ringtone."
That is the SHIT.
three sheets to the wind
Awesome Holdsworth tune... and his usual state of being.
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meh. merikan has the same ones as enlish it seems.
like we speak the same language or sumthing.
That Atlanta in the humid southeast will run out of water before Phoenix is pretty amazing.
They never figured on a prolonged dry spell, and so their troubles began.
Oooh!
I guess that I'm 'pickled', then.
moon's drunken typing skills are excellent
"On the bright side, Michael Richards has a brand new ringtone."
A Sly Stone cover, "Don't Call Me Whitey...."
I left a comment at TKK that I'd like to ammend.
Fuck it, it is what it is: "progressive drowning torture", not interrogation, call it that.
sozzled
Brilliant!
What's a "soppy pratt"?
A wimpy ass?
I mean, 'vajayjay'.
other drunk terms -
I've been overserved.
prat [prat]
n (plural prats)
1. prat
pratt (plural pratts)
fool: somebody regarded as unintelligent (slang insult)
2. buttocks: the buttocks (slang)
vi (3rd person present singular prats, present participle pratting, past pratted, past participle pratted)
behave thoughtlessly or exasperatingly: to behave in an unintelligent way, especially when this causes exasperation or leads to time-wasting (insult)
[Mid-16th century. Origin unknown.]
Microsoft® Encarta® Premium Suite 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
What's a "soppy pratt"?
Limp snausage
soz·zled (sŏz'əld) pronunciation
adj. Slang.
Drunk; intoxicated.
[From sozzle, to splash, loll about, be lazy, from earlier sossle, probably from soss, to splash in mud, fall heavily, of imitative origin.]
I got "Yeltsined" last night...
torture: root word is latin for "to twist".
Question, what's twisted? The victim or the truth?
What about "Lohaned?"
You forgot "schnockered"
is there no one in here that's sober??? my liver is working overtime right now.
the poor thing...
Video: Clinton takes on Russert, says letter was no cover-up
(3:10 p.m. -- See UPDATE below for the Republican response)
"Breathtakingly" misleading. That's what former president Bill Clinton called a question Tim Russert asked his wife at this week's Democratic presidential candidates' debate. And boy was he mad.
"The implication was that in the last few weeks since she'd been a candidate, I had endeavored to cover up records involving her. You agree with that? That's what people thought when they heard that question," Clinton said. "Here are the facts."
He asserts the letter in question is five years old, involves Hillary only incidentally and requests that the National Archives speed up the release of certain documents, not slow it down. Read more about the controversy here.
Clinton made the comments during an appearance Friday morning on the Microsoft campus with CEO Steve Ballmer. To hear Clinton's impassioned defense in his own words, watch this video by P-I reporter Todd Bishop.
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.c...ives/
124945.asp
Poor Potatohead.
-
In Russian it's пяний.
And to signify it you flick your pointer finger just under your chin.
Question, what's twisted? The victim or the truth?
The twisted torturer enjoys his work.
I'm sober... hour three, working on beer three... it's my lot.
.
What about "Lohaned?"
Who wants a man with a Lohaned?
I didn't see "fucked up" on that list.
What about "Lohaned?"
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fire-crotched?
torture: root word is latin for "to twist".
Question, what's twisted? The victim or the truth?
Well, in colloquial modern examples, both. But I suspect the original root intended that one twists the victim's arm...
Oh, my tortured anus.
Shit-faced?
I always liked "schtunkinah" myself.
Jeffraham, how goes it?
If the Democrats in the Senate refuse to demand any such requirement, it will be act that should send chills down the spine of every thinking American.
Snowden was wounded inside his flak suit. Yossarian ripped open the snaps of Snowden's flak suit and heard himself scream wildly as Snowden's insides slithered down to the floor in a soggy pile and just kept dripping out...Yossarian screamed a second time and squeezed both hands over his eyes...
"I'm cold," Snowden wimpered. "I'm cold."
"There, there," Yossarian mumbled mechanically in a voice too low to be heard. "There, there."
Yossarian was cold, too, and shivering uncontrollably. He felt goose pimples clacking all over him as he gazed down despondently at the grim secret Snowden had spilled all over the messy floor. It was easy to read the message in his entrails. Man was matter, that was Snowden's secret. Drop him out a window and he'll fall. Set fire to him and he'll burn. Bury him and he'll rot, like other kinds of garbage. The spirit gone, man is garbage. That was Snowden's secret. Ripeness was all.
"I'm cold," Snowden said. "I'm cold."
"There, there," said Yossarian. "There, there." He pulled the rip cord of Snowden's parachute and covered his body with the white nylon sheets.
"I'm cold."
"There, there." (End of chapter 41 "Snowden," pp. 463-4)
loaded!
The Right:
They will always sacrifice morals, ethics and truth in order to achieve their goals of power, wealth and influence.
I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused.
Oh, why's that?
...
Oh, that's too bad!
...
Oh, I'm so sad!
At least 50,000 Georgians have been protesting outside parliament in the capital, Tbilisi, urging President Mikhail Saakashvili to step down.
The crowd also called for early parliamentary elections.
They accused Mr Saakashvili of heading a corrupt, authoritarian government and want him to be ousted democratically.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europ...ope/
7074585.stm
The Not Drowning Torture /baba louis
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charley, last time you talked about Catch 22 i cried for 3 days. and i was sober.
At this point, if I'm drunk, I'm Bushed.
Trolls! Shhhhhhh!
Sallyh is here....
Sallyh: Jeffraham, how goes it?
I really dunno.
.
Plotzed.
They accused Mr Saakashvili of heading a corrupt, authoritarian government and want him to be ousted democratically.
Just what Otpor did in Serbia!
is there no one in here that's sober???
Moi, malheureusement.
FUBARED!
The British are notorious for getting drunk abroad.
Saakashvili
Wasn't that Stalin's real name?
Excellent. Marsh hammers msnbc and dan abrams fights for his job. Nobody fucks with russert. It’s just not done.
Russert's Biases are Real
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archi...ew.php?
id=26501
Hillary's "stumble" and "shaky debate performance" was so bad it has ended up costing her a couple point jump up in the today’s rasmussen daily pres. poll.
Oh, I'm so sad! dave™©
I wouldn't have figured you for harmony!
Well, since everybody's drinking, they might have forgotten that I posted Friday Catblogging...
The British are notorious for getting drunk abroad.
Moonbootica will be all over the scandal pages in Philly!
I'd prefer a drunken broad
The British are notorious for getting drunk abroad.
Moonbootica, Der Rosenkavalier
Republican guys are notorious for getting a broad drunk.
German has some words for drunk also, who woulda thought.
Betrunken
Sinnlos betrunken
Sturzbesoffen
Total blau
Volltrunken
Stinkbesoffen
Plotzed.
Berlinalexanderplatzed.
Saakashvili
Wasn't that Stalin's real name?
No, it was Barack Hussein Obama.
Question, what's twisted?
cheney---just look at him.
The British are notorious for getting drunk abroad.
The soccer hooligans.
A senior Justice Department official, charged with reworking the administration's legal position on torture in 2004 became so concerned about the controversial interrogation technique of waterboarding that he decided to experience it firsthand, sources told ABC News.
Daniel Levin, then acting assistant attorney general, went to a military base near Washington and underwent the procedure to inform his analysis of different interrogation techniques.
After the experience, Levin told White House officials that even though he knew he wouldn't die, he found the experience terrifying and thought that it clearly simulated drowning.
Mikheil Saakashvili (Georgian: მიხეილ სააკაშვილი (born December 21, 1967) is a Georgian politician and the current President of Georgia. He succeeded Nino Burjanadze, the acting president, on January 25, 2004. Saakashvili was elected to (officially) replace President Eduard Shevardnadze, who stepped down in Georgia's 2003 bloodless Rose Revolution, led by Saakashvili and his major political allies, Burjanadze and Zurab Zhvania.
Some non-Georgian sources spell his name via the Russian as Mikhail. In Georgia, he is commonly known as "Misha," a hypocorism for Mikheil. It is also transliterated Mixeil Saakašvili.
He is married to Sandra E. Roelofs, of Dutch origin, and has two sons, Eduard and Nikoloz. He is reported to be fluent in some languages, including Georgian, English, French, Russian and Ukrainian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Mik...ail_Saakashvili
is there no one in here that's sober???
Ain't nobody here except us drunks and trolls. And I 'm starting to think some of the trolls are drunk, too.
"If the Democrats in the Senate refuse to demand any such requirement, it will be act that should send chills down the spine of every thinking American."
My spine was chilled in 2000 and froze solid in 2004.
Stalin was Иосиф Виссарионович Джугашвили (last name: Dzhugashvili, which IIRC meant 'fucktard', which is why he chose Man of Steel instead).
Question, what's twisted?
A tort?
spinoza?
is there no one in here that's sober???
Speak for yourselves, I'm having chai with milk and honey.
Hah - watching the McLaughlin shoutfest. Mort Zuckerman HATES Edwards. Can't. Stand. Him. "Hypocrisy and glibness."
Why does billionaire Mort hate him? He takes money from trial lawyers.
I've said it many times - Edwards is the guy the corporatists are really scared by. They want Hillary.
yeah stalin really sucked.
Question, what's twisted?
cheney---just look at him.
What the fuck are you looking at? You want your nutz twisted??? An electrode up yer ass?
fire-crotched?
euphronius
think I once read a Shakespeare about a pair of fire-crotched lovers...
Atrios is worse than 17 Stalins and a player to be named later.
I wouldn't have figured you for harmony!
It comes from all those Elvis shows in Berkeley.
Speaking of which, he's doing a reunion show with Clover (the back-up band on the first album, who later semi-morphed into Huey Lewis and the News) at the Great American Music Hall next week. It's a benefit, and the tickets are $100 a shot, so guess who won't be singing harmony there...
Speak for yourselves, I'm having chai with milk and honey.
Organic local cider. Non-hardened.
Perhaps I've said too much.
Welp, let's cuddle up with a nice, warm kitteh, and a DVD.
♥
Sky blue Gatorade...
The Metropolitan police commissioner Sir Ian Blair was told yesterday that his resignation would not be accepted as the force braced itself for a new report criticising it over the Stockwell shooting.
Len Duvall, a Labour politician who chairs the Metropolitan Police Authority, told the Guardian he would not let Sir Ian quit over the shooting dead of Jean Charles de Menezes: "If he offered his resignation over Stockwell I would not accept it."
Insiders say the force is "very concerned" about its leader coming under more pressure next week when the official report into the errors the Met made that led to De Menezes being shot dead is finally published by the Independent Police Complaints Commission.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
terror...2204522,00.html
Martin Biron is a good goalie
Welp, let's cuddle up with a nice, warm kitteh, and a DVD.
♥
Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 10:25 pm | #
I bought "Easy Rider" for $7 at the Target.
Organic local cider. Non-hardened.
Perhaps I've said too much.
Coors?
McLaughlin puts up Dodd's claim that 50% won't vote for Hillary, then points out is from a nonscientific, self-selected internet poll that is utterly meaningless. Mort, Pat, and Fat Tony all insist *of course* you should take it seriously!!!
player to be named later, heh
Speak for yourselves, I'm having chai with milk and honey.
Organic local cider. Non-hardened.
Perhaps I've said too much.
JeffCO |
Hot Tamales. Water with a splash of cherry juice.
Coors?
No, it's from a local farm. Coors. Please.
Welp, I gotta go:
1. Take a shit
2. Get to bed
3. Take my daughter for her driving test first thing in the a.m.
"Night batses
what a cock up the Met were involved in.
I mean someone should of been charged with manslaughter.
basically there were too many people and total incompetence, I mean they let the poor Brazilian on the fucking bus, if he was such a threat, why would of they of let that happen?
fucking morons!
No, it's from a local farm. Coors. Please.
They don't raise homophobic Coors on mountain farms?
Zap confused.
Welp, let's cuddle up with a nice, warm kitteh, and a DVD.
I borrowed The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill from the library.
moon, that was clear manslaughter.
it wasnt murder imho. but it was clearly manslaughter.
yeah stalin really sucked.
euphronius
Stalin was not a liberal.
other terms: blitzed, shattered, wrecked, bent, lunar, warped, shredded, baked, burnt, trashed, and my favorite...
nahomni. learned that one from a friend of mine who is lakota...
They don't raise homophobic Coors on mountain farms?
They recanted their antigay rhetoric, though they do still say they want to get a silver bullet into every gay person in America.
Is it finally time yet to bury the myth that the US is a special place, where the rights of man are honored?
(other than if that man is rich and white)
I borrowed The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill from the library. Karin
Very entertaining!
My favorite reference for what happens after imbibing too liberally...
talking to Ralph on the big white telephone.
Re Hillary, Russert, Abrams, Marsh:
The American boys of politics and media are beginning to flex their macho muscles and may even form "Goon Squads" (E.C.) in order to force reactionary presidential gender issues. I'm surprised to be feeling sympathy for hillary, even though I view her as a male (a curvaceous one at that).
I borrowed The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill from the library.
Great flick.
ouch!
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/200...-as-a-democrat/
Is it finally time yet to bury the myth that the US is a special place, where the rights of man are honored?
(other than if that man is rich and white)
Doug,Sheiks ride pimper | 11.02.07 - 10:34 pm
*lol* You can't run on a platform that America isn't special and god-anointed to preserve and protect massive profits or they'll call you an america hater.
Evening. I went out to eat and left my credit card at home. Had to use the coins I keep in the car for parking to meet the bill. It's funny to realize how much having a credit card liberates us from the need to check that there is sufficient money.
is Frodo or Sauron the lord of the rings?
Sky blue pink, my favorite color.
is Frodo or Sauron the lord of the rings
Yes
I went out to eat and left my credit card at home. Had to use the coins I keep in the car for parking to meet the bill.
Snake skin is no longer an accepted currency?
Better alert the South Dakotan legislature!
is Frodo or Sauron the lord of the rings?
Sauron. In the hands of any other, the Ring is lord...
Yes
Echidne | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 10:40 pm | #
: )
you're not a scientist, i wager
Is it finally time yet to bury the myth that the US is a special place, where the rights of man are honored?
Talk about something that never was. The history of civil rights in this country is incredibly dark and shameful.
The fiction of Sigizmund Krzhizhanovsky
Sauron. In the hands of any other, the Ring is lord...
NTodd, Homophone Alone | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 10:40 pm | #
bombaldi
Andrew Card on Cspan says the most important quality of a President is the courage to be lonely.
*lol* You can't run on a platform
I'm not trying to run on any platform. I'm just trying to keep my family and I, alive and well.
And having a damned hard time of that.
It's hard to balance the educational needs of my son, the health of the whole family, and find work that supports this financial load. If I wasn't a manic saver, I've have gone under long ago.
The One Ring to Rule Them All is the The Lord of the Rings (which is almost what NTodd said, but not quite)
religious link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f...h?
v=fTzXJMU1sLc
dems have the chimp right where he wants them...
is there no one in here that's sober???
I'm am, but it's only a temporary condition until after dinner.
bombaldi
Bombadillo!
Had to use the coins I keep in the car for parking to meet the bill.
Either you're eating for 1/8 of a person or you must park a lot!
you go to Torture with the waterboard that you have, not the waterboard you wish you had.
bombaldi
No, the Ring had no effect on him, and he came before the Ring, so I'd say he wasn't lord. Pretty much everything was beneath his notice, anyway...
bombaldi
Bombadillo!
Help him!
Help who?
Help the bombaldi!
you're not a scientist, i wager
Either you're eating for 1/8 of a person or you must park a lot!
The latter. Or rather, I have a giant drum of coins in the back of the car. Probably about 200 dollars in it.
Andrew Card on Cspan says the most important quality of a President is the courage to be lonely.
ringo
That's all the President needs. Well, that, and this chair, and maybe this paddle-ball. But that's it. And this ashtray.
Well, I really need to take the Dogz o-u-t and then read for a while. l8rh9rz.
Is it finally time yet to bury the myth that the US is a special place, where the rights of man are honored?
One of the best things any American can do is give up the religion, "AMERICA."
I've finally got round to reading Philip Pullman's novel Northern Lights and so far its been bloody good
I understand that sauron was lord of the rings.
my question is to whom does the title refer?
I like the snake goddesses answer the best actually.
No, the Ring had no effect on him, and he came before the Ring, so I'd say he wasn't lord. Pretty much everything was beneath his notice, anyway...
He was one of the forces of earth itself, if I recall what Tolkien said on the topic. That's why he couldn't leave Middle-Earth, either.
Let's see -- Feinstein & Schumer let us down -- what's the surprise?
Welcome to Hell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e...h?
v=eJA9RPX9mRY
charley, last time you talked about Catch 22 i cried for 3 days. and i was sober.
euphronius
i love that book. took me 22 years to get back to it.
this time i understood it. of course now i'm drunk. but i ain't crying, i'm just pissed.
life is hard enuf on it's own, no need, no use for fucked up people.
is there no one in here that's sober???
Yellowtail Cab Merlot,....yummmmmeh!
is there no one in here that's sober???
moi, I ate early, too full to drink.
life is hard enuf on it's own, no need, no use for fucked up people.
Worth posting again.
He was one of the forces of earth itself, if I recall what Tolkien said on the topic. That's why he couldn't leave Middle-Earth, either.
Echidne | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 10:46 pm | #
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JRRT never explained who he was.
I have a giant drum of coins in the back of the car. Probably about 200 dollars in it.
Most people just use bags of sand.
JRRT never explained who he was.
I thought I read that somewhere.
Sky blue pink, my favorite color.
Bobby, Who ♥ Kucinich |
from Uncle Wiggly, no?
Tongue twister: sky blue pink plaid.
Try it.
in lakota it would be echidne of the zuzecas...
is there no one in here that's sober???
If so, go on another beer run for us. plz.
That's all the President needs. Well, that, and this chair, and maybe this paddle-ball. But that's it. And this ashtray.
Jerk!
Moonbootica --
The first book is excellent, the second almost as good, the third sadly lags (IMHO) -- I am looking forward to the movie (FWIW)
America is like a music critic dancing about architecture. You can't lose what you never understood.
Most people just use bags of sand.
multitasking
Moonbootica --
The first book is excellent, the second almost as good, the third sadly lags (IMHO) -- I am looking forward to the movie (FWIW)
Prior Aelred | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 10:50 pm | #
yeah, I really want to see the film and so I thought it be worthwhile to read the actual novels!
zuzecas? Sounds onomatopoetic.
So Charles Prince donated to Chris Dodd and gets the boot and Martha Stewart who gives money toDems goes to jail for insider trading.
JRRT:
"Tom Bombadil is not an important person — to the narrative. I suppose he has some importance as a 'comment.' I mean, I do not really write like that: he is just an invention (who first appeared in The Oxford Magazine about 1933), and he represents something that I feel important, though I would not be prepared to analyse the feeling precisely. I would not, however, have left him in, if he did not have some kind of function."
Evening, Moonbats. Back from a v. memorable Dia de los Muertos (and a v. memorable mole). What did I miss besides the craven Dems cravenly caving to the worst president ever?
Even the movie of Catch-22 (starring WGG -- well, not quite) was surprisingly good!
Amazing book -- especially for those of us who have actually had contact with the military!
euphronius, it might have been his son who said the thing I quoted. But I'm sure I read it somewhere fairly recently.
Snake Mistress:
http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/...s/
Bombadil.html
yar JRRT's son . . . yeah um. . . i dont know sometimes.
Tongue twister: sky blue pink plaid.
Try it. - Sarah
Heh, no problem
Sky boo pink plaid.
Sky blue plink...
Sky blue pink pad.
grrr
Hecate!
Br Cuthbert is home (excellent dinner yesterday --- something Indian) & received your letter & does intend to write you eventually!
I am far behind in paper correspondence myself, so there's that!
BTW, even the ABC liked Pullman's books!
moon child, in lakota, is hanhepi wi wakayaja...
well in your case tonight you are nahomni hanhepi wi wakayaja...
ergo etal ie... intoxicated moon child.
go wake up your dad and try to tell him that one right now. should be interesting.
Martha Stewart who gives money toDems goes to jail for insider trading.
rootless-e
At Alderson Federal Penitentiary in West Virginia. Squeaky Fromme lived there. I was in a 3rd year law school prisoner advocacy program there.
It was actually a beautifully kept campus-type facility in the middle of the nowhere.
Drunk or:
befuddled, bent , besotted, blacked-out , blasted, blighted, blind, blind chance, blitzed , blotto,
boiled-as-an-owl, bombed, buttered, canned, clobbered, cockeyed, crapulous, crocked, destroyed, dipso, drunk , euphored, fried, giddy, groggy, hammered, high, hooched-up,
hung-one-on, inebriated, in-one's-cups, intoxicated, juiced, legless, liquored-up, loaded, intoxicated, looped, mellow, obliterated, obliviated, pickled, pie-eyed, pissed, plastered, plowed,
plotzed, polluted, pot-valiant, ripped, roaring, sauced, shickered, shit-faced, slopped-up, sloshed, smashed, snockered, sodden, soused, sozzled, spaced, stewed, stiff, stinking, stinko, stoned, swacked, tanked, tied-one-on, three-sheets-to-the-wind, toasted, tweaked, twisted, under-the-influence, under-the-table, under-the-weather, wasted, wiped-out, wrecked, zoned
zonked
http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/...s/ Bombadil.html
Interesting. Now I need to find out where I read what I said.
goodnight moonbats
Night Moon!
OK -- any opera fans?
Watch the faces of the judges as this guy walks out on the stage. You
can almost see what they're thinking as they pre-judge this guy based
on his looks and the fact that he's a cell phone salesman. Maybe this
guy stopped believing in what people told him for so many years and
ultimately started listening to his passion.
http://www.maniacworld.com/Phone...azes-
Crowd.html
Prior,
Br. Cuthberts sounds like a wonderful cook! What di the abbey do for All Saints Day?
15 puppies and 2 moms sharing the feeding. Beautiful!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1770
OMG!
john stossel interviews fred phelps and family. That much hate filled stupid should not be allowed in one place. The good thing is stossel hasn't called them democrats yet.
Stan O'Neal shows up inOpen Secrets only as a donor to Richard Shelby, the distinguished senator from Alabama. Wonder what that is about.
G'Nite MooBoo -- God B good 2 U1
Hecate --
All SS is a big solemnity -- Sunday schedule (we get to sleep in until 5:30 Matins) -- necessary work (there's always looks of that) -- Benediction after Vespers -- Br Cuthbert's home brew at a buffet supper (I liked the oatmeal stout myself) -- today was All Souls -- very different feel -- lots of prayers for those who have gone before (couldn't hurt)
lit, pixilated, trashed
That much hate filled stupid should not be allowed in one place. The good thing is stossel hasn't called them democrats yet.
hadenough
I thought you were talking about stossel...
john stossel interviews fred phelps and family.
That's some powerful disgusting all-around.
I'm sure that I'm in the minority here, but that lawsuit against the Phelps outfit was a waste of time.
i love that Prior Aelred is actually, you know, a benedictine.
is benedictine OK?
Added to the file, bo
Thanks
I'm a Native New Yorker who currently lives in a small British Columbian town which has railroad tracks running through every major artery in town, with only one of the arteries providing overpass access. Extreme patience required.
is benedictine OK?
In a scrape, Bactine is also acceptable.
Bactine, then.
I never had a strong opinion that the guy should be opposed,
Really, 'cause the guy had "Blondie Dog Friday" n'shit.
"I thought you were talking about stossel...
focus"
AIE regular stossel was his usual piece of shit self. Pretending he was doing some serious journalistic work.
Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr. (born November 13, 1929) is the pastor of the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC), an independent Baptist church in Topeka, Kansas. Phelps is also a disbarred lawyer and founder of the Phelps Chartered law firm. WBC is listed as a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center. He is known for preaching with slogans and banners denoting phrases such as "Thank God for 9/11", "God hates fags," "AIDS cures fags," and "Fags die, God laughs (or mocks)," and claims that God will punish homosexuals as well as people such as Bill O'Reilly, Coretta Scott King, Ronald Reagan, and Howard Dean, whom his church considers "fag-enablers"
There are things about which it is possible to equivocate. Torture isn't one of them.
I'd prefer a drunken broad
I'm your girl.
Torture isn't one of them.
I'd never thought I would see the day when that was happening.
Then again....
is there no one in here that's sober???
If so, go on another beer run for us. plz.
MP
but be careful, that's where you'll meet the fucked up people.
c.bukowski the first one you meet takes 50 percent.
ProfWombat, torture, kindness to animals, the wellbeing of children.
All non negotiable.
ProfWombat,
It gives me no pleasure whatsoever in saying this but, in all honesty, no one gives a rat's ass about what we think or what we want or what we believe constitutes torture or what constitutes justice.
The Democrats see us as useless impedances to power and the Republicans see as the enemy.
I have lost all faith that any thing will ever improve in this country. We are simply, fucked.
Fred Phelps says that he is a preacher who believes that homosexuality and its acceptance have doomed most of the world to eternal damnation. The church at Westboro which he leads has 71 confirmed members, 60 of whom are related to Phelps through blood or marriage or both.
Benedictine is good, especially mixed with brandy.
the unitary executive theorists need to back away from the goats
euphronius --
Well, if you are talking about the liqueur, the best buzz is that it is a fake, or at least unproven
Whereas Dom Perignon really did invent champagne & the Carthusians (monks but not Benedictines) really do make Chartreuse (which I really like)
I also recommend "Into Great Silence" (documentary about the Carthusians) -- my cousin was critical because it did not explain the importance of the Divine Office & the different "hours" in the course of the day, but I think that a consequence of letting the film speak for itself (explanations can really get in the way of documentaries that are supposed to be self explanatory)
I would seriously consider being the meat in a Wilson-Plame sandwich!
Benedictine is good, especially mixed with brandy.
You sure it's not grenadine?
The Wilsons on are Maher!
Maher: Did you get at an assissinate each other?
Rove to Matthews: "Wilson's wife is fair game."
Oh goodness! I didn't know Prior was here. Please don't think less of me, Prior. I was trying to be funny in a sexy way.
JeffCO, I detest grenadine. i'm quite certain
Plames smoking is so heavy her face looks like she just rolled out of bed.
Prior Aelred | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 11:13 pm | #
no no, lol
i was talking about "men of the cloth" er or "collar"
i dont know.
you are really a fucking monk, right?
Whereas Dom Perignon really did invent champagne & the Carthusians (monks but not Benedictines) really do make Chartreuse (which I really like)
Prior Aelred | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 11:13 pm
Whereas the Trappists here only produced milk. Except now they've outsourced the brandname to China.
Tell me, Street: when will Joe Wilson be arrested for treason?
http://www.maniacworld.com/Phone...azes- Crowd.html
Prior Aelred | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 10:57 pm | #
he's welsh,whaddya expect
prior aelred...
ever heard of blue cloud abbey in sd?
this man was a friend of mine. http://www.bluecloud.org/wambdi.html he passed away a short time back.
he actually helped to purchase the land where the abbey is back in '49.
anyway. just sayin'...
There are things about which it is possible to equivocate. Torture isn't one of them.
ProfWombat
We've forfeited basic human outrage at other nations waterboarding American citizens, by being iffy about this subject.
You're correct. The question really isn't so much what constitutes torture. It's whether you're generally cool with torture or not.
Lincoln described it well, when he said that those so emphatic about the perpetuation of slavery ought to have it practiced upon themselves, to find out if it alters their opinion on the subject.
Nothing left to do
when you know
that you've been taken
Nothing left to do
when you're begging for a crumb
Nothing left to do
when you've got to go on waiting
waiting for the miracle to come
"I have lost all faith that any thing will ever improve in this country. We are simply, fucked."
today I am with you 100%
tomorrow I may not be - but I wouldn't count on it
Wow, I was sure I was the only person in the world who has seen Into Great Silence.
Hearing mention of Benedictine, I think a little B&B would wet my whistle quite nicely.
Lurking is thirsty work.
Pinochetism no longer rules Chile, Naziism no longer rules Germany. The Irish are no longer at each other's throats; the South Africans are muddling through without apartheid.
Someday Bushism will be no more, and it will be time to seize the day.
And I won't forget Feinstein and Schumer's betrayal of my values today.
Sallyh is right -- Benedictine is too sweet -- hence B&B to cut the edge!
Drambuie is also probably better mixed with Scotch (a "Rusty Nail") for the same reason (although the pic of Bonnie Prince Charlie is cool -- I recommend the BBC special "Culloden" -- very accurate & therefore grim!)
Uncle Blodge, all I can say is: Dum spiro, spero.
While I breathe, I hope.
excuse my language, father. sorry.
There are things about which it is possible to equivocate. Torture isn't one of them.
Do unto others...
Someday Bushism will be no more, and it will be time to seize the day.
And I won't forget Feinstein and Schumer's betrayal of my values today.
ProfWombat | 11.02.07 - 11:17 pm
I'm making a list. Checking it twice. Not gonna forget who was naughty and nice. Triangulators won't get the coal in their stocking, but perhaps a breathing apparatus filled with coal smog.
Tell me, Street: when will Joe Wilson be arrested for treason?
They were so goddamned clever, destroying both their careers just so they could sell a book about it a couple years later!!! But those wily wingnuts weren't fooled for a moment!
Thank you, Sally. "Breath is hope", indeed.
Now it's time for me to go bother my beloved spouse.
These two are cool.
It ain't called America's Glans for nothing:
http://www.news-
journalonline.co...EAD01110207.htm
"The reason that we did this sting is we all go to the mall; our kids go into the bathroom," Police Chief Mike Chitwood said.
DWD, do you wake up feeling quite despondent as the first thought in the morning? If so, you could have a chemical depression (not at all surprising given your trials this year) and an antidepressant might help. Not my business at all, of course.
Does anyone know of any 'polls' that show that folks in this country actually support waterboarding?
The only one I can find is one administered by the Freeps...
Ad astra per aspera.
And I won't forget Feinstein and Schumer's betrayal of my values today.
ProfWombat | 11.02.07 - 11:17 pm | #
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the fucking constitution, man. the fucking constitution. it should not be this hard.
Sky cleared up, day turned to bright
Closing both eyes now the head filled with light
Hard to remember what a state I was in
Instant amnesia
Yang to the Yin.
"While I breathe, I hope."
further discussions on the dead cop in Philadelphia.
it is pretty unanimous that they do NOT "give a fuck" about this man - after all - "did they care when my brother got killed? NO!"
one student lost an uncle, brother and cousin to street violence. every student - EVERY STUDENT that spoke out lost at least one family member.
Hope? you won't find it in the city.
Not this week.
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn:
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.
Auden, from 'September 1, 1939'
Does anyone know of any 'polls' that show that folks in this country actually support waterboarding?
Forcefully depriving another person of the act of breathing is fucking torture. Why are they even trying to split hairs on this subject?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 11.02.07 - 11:21 pm | #
*hugs*
Ad astra per aspera.
ProfWombat | 11.02.07 - 11:20 pm
Are you or have you ever been a Kansan?
hey uncle b. long time no c
After reading some of Naomi Klein's book I'm no longer so concerned with waterboarding as the treatments which cause a person to revert to early childhood, perhaps on a permanent basis. Klein argues that this has happened to the shoe-bomber guy who is no unable to communicate.
I have lost all faith that any thing will ever improve in this country. We are simply, fucked.
DWD - Revolution of One | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 11:11 pm | #
Dude, 140 years ago there were millions of Americans in chains, 100 years ago the Klan was on the march, 50 years ago the voting rights act hadn't passed and the CIA had just killed Mossadeq - where have you been?
The struggle continues, self-pity don't help.
I really am a Benedictine monk (not "fucking," alas) -- I have been to Blue Cloud -- gave a retreat to the Episcopal clergy of the dioceses of North & South Dakotah, in fact -- I consider Br. Benet Tvedten a friend (my picture is on the cover of his first book -- he gave our community retreat here & preached the sermon at the 50th anniversary of the Dedication of the Abbey Church) - I met Fr Stan -- a good monk -- totally authentic!
Amazing book -- especially for those of us who have actually had contact with the military!
Prior Aelred
or the federal bureaucracy in any way.
but the truly amazing thing is, like dylan at his best, it's all open ended enuf and, deep enuf, that you are freely entitled to fill in the blanks.
the book is about life and death. i got that the first time. i guess it had more impact this time because of the federal crap. as the first person told me when i started at the agency, "it' is, what it is."
Has anyone looked at enough of the pre-made self sticking plastic bumper sticker material to know which of it, is kind of a forever material when printed with a B&W laser printer. I know most inkjet ink will run and fade in weather, and that the laser media will not.
It seems it's about time to 'paper' the town with posters that emphasis that the US tortures people. I don't want these easily removed, and want something that goes up quicker than the old 60's poster trick of using mostly dehydrated milk and and a little flour.
It is defacing, but this is important.
US citizens need to have their noses rubbed in the subject, even if they dislike it.
Forcefully depriving another person of the act of breathing is fucking torture. Why are they even trying to split hairs on this subject?
While I do realize that factoid, I'm curious if any MSM outlet took it upon themselves to call a bunch of people at home and point-blank ask them this?
Markos is on.
I'm surprised his parents let him stay up this late.
sorry for the cursing Aelred.
"hey uncle b. long time no c|"
yo
I believe that we can all use a little Wendell Berry about now.
. I never had a strong opinion that the guy should be opposed,
Atrios is objectively pro torture.
Our dark Sith overlord is on!
Why is the Great Orange Satan on Bill Maher's show? Where is Atrios?
Is he orange?
It seems it's about time to 'paper' the town with posters that emphasis that the US tortures people. I don't want these easily removed, and want something that goes up quicker than the old 60's poster trick of using mostly dehydrated milk and and a little flour.
Come sit over here by me.
Never been a Kansan, but always loved that.
Why is the Great Orange Satan on Bill Maher's show? Where is Atrios?
The Kenosha Kid
That's him on the right.
"The struggle continues, self-pity don't help."
all I have at the moment. if it offends I can retreat.
actually it's not self pity - just soul wearingly tired of ugly and talking to kids about death.
back at it monday.
Markos is on.
I'm surprised his parents let him stay up this late.
You are TROLL RATED.
watching Rich Lowry justify torture tonight on PBS, and Mark 'windbag" Shields say nothing (not to mention the unctuous Ray Suarez)reminds me why the rest of the world hates us.
we kill people randomly in Steny Hoyer's War, and we torture people, and we send others off to be tortured by others.
and "we" the people allow monsters like Lowry to tell the whole world it is perfectly acceptable, normal even.
feh.
euphronius --
I was in the Navy -- you used language to offend me? WTF was that?
Evening, all . . .
Does anyone know of any 'polls' that show that folks in this country actually support waterboarding?
I went to a talk on using torture in early 2002. There were only a handful of us in the audience who didn't raise our hands when asked if we would support torture as long as it didn't happen within US borders.
Of course the speaker wasn't specific about what torture is or does, justhad the audience convinced the Church committee was why US intelligence hadn't been able to stop 9/11.
.
You are TROLL RATED.
Thers
Is that a Kos joke? I'm boycotting since they removed my diary.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 11.02.07 - 11:27 pm | #
i was happy that the minority democrats could muster 8 protest votes against Mukasey.
those dems really stand for something.
Anyway, what kind of plastic self stick poster material is forever grade?
Why is the Great Orange Satan on Bill Maher's show? Where is Atrios?
The Kenosha Kid
That's him on the right.
TrÜth Strategist | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 11:26 pm | #
.......
Forces stand strong, wands out... the trolls will soon be in numbers.
euphronius --
I was in the Navy -- you used language to offend me? WTF was that?
Prior Aelred | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 11:27 pm | #
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catholic school. you know.
ProfWombat,
I have been kind of depressed the last couple of days but my realization has been building over the last several months. I have had my hopes - as slim as they were - dashed again and again by the Democrats until they really do not exist any more.
My personal epiphany came on the day of the Petraeus Hearing. There was a protest by the Code Pink Ladies (Patriots in every sense of the word) and the Congressman in charge of the hearing, Ike Skelton, demanded that they be removed. Now, the ladies protesting knew they would be removed. They expected this. The congressman had to have them removed: that is his function as well. The decorum must be maintained, everyone understands this. But what he did and the relish with which he did it sent cold shivers down my spine and they have not left yet.
I looked through the television and I saw the hatred and contempt in his eyes. I did not expect this and I did not want to see this. The play was ongoing and should have completed its run without rancor. But he HATED these women. These patriots who were expressing their contempt for the man who was in charge of lying for the president. They are citizens of this country. That is their RIGHT. You can disagree with what they say. You can even disagree with their methods but you CANNOT disagree with their RIGHT to say it. He did. The venom in his eyes was the same as the venom in the cold eyes of the Nazis.
Our broders are broken.
I have lost all faith that any thing will ever improve in this country. We are simply, fucked.
DWD - Revolution of One
First the Earth has to heal. I think America has to either take a back seat or co-lead, because it can no longer be the sole authority in the world. Ain't happenin', can't happen.
Gotta start a fire. There is a nice sirloin that requires cooking.
actually it's not self pity - just soul wearingly tired of ugly and talking to kids about death.
back at it monday.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 11.02.07 - 11:26 pm | #
you have a very tough job and my admiration.
No, I thought the Independent Counsel law is kaput. AG can still appoint an SP.
NTodd, Homophone Alone
It is, because the independent counsel statute was allowed to expire, in no small part because of Ken Starr's excesses. It wouldn't surprise me if discrediting the whole idea of an independent counsel, an idea that was a reaction to Nixon's excesses, was part of Mr. Starr's job description.
Boy, are those fuckwads going to be karmically frustrated when they can't use an independent counsel against the next President Clinton.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/DOJ/sto...=3814076&
page=1
A senior Justice Department official, charged with reworking the administration's legal position on torture in 2004 became so concerned about the controversial interrogation technique of waterboarding that he decided to experience it firsthand, sources told ABC News.
w/video
watching Rich Lowry justify torture tonight on PBS, and Mark 'windbag" Shields say nothing (not to mention the unctuous Ray Suarez)reminds me why the rest of the world hates us.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 11.02.07 - 11:27 pm
The Chinese love GDumbya. Makes all of their internal repression seem less noxious.
I met Fr Stan -- a good monk -- totally authentic!
Prior Aelred | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 11:23 pm | #
lila waste'. which is lakota for 'very good!' pronounced lilly wush TEY... best projected with power and dignity.
i could tell you some stories about fr. stan. i provided a few vehicles for him to drive over the years. he LOVED to drive across the plains of sd.
The list of drooling thigh rubbing panty sniffers grows:
"Russert: Senator Clinton, I'd like to follow up, because in terms of your experience as first lady, in order to give the American people an opportunity to make a judgment about your experience, would you allow the National Archives to release the documents about your communications with the president, the advice you gave?
Because, as you well know, President Clinton has asked the National Archives not to do anything until 2012."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/2152...1528787/page/8/
There is russert leading the panty raid. obama and edwards are also chasing after Hillary's used undergarments. Now karen tumluty sticks her nose in with a factless fact check:
"Obama campaign manager David Plouffe has emailed a letter to supporters going after Hillary Clinton for refusing to open the records of her days as First Lady."
http://www.time-blog.com/
swampla...the_latest.html
Oh why won't Hillary open her panty drawer... russert actually frames the question as getting an "idea your experience as first lady." karen and the rest of the thigh rubbers think that means personal communications between a husband and wife. Hillary's healthcare records? No problem. More than 10,000 pages have already been released. Just about anything else Hillary worked on as First Lady? Come and get. What’s on hold? Communications between a husband and wife. And that’s what has the panty sniffers panties in a bunch.
Bill Clinton's letter asking the national archive to release his papers, except for "communications between the President and First Lady and their families":
http://www.newsweek.com/media/
77...nton_letter.pdf
Why do liberals put up with this?
We have a rating for Trolls? Like lesser troll, mountain troll, etc?
Or like ugly, uglier, ugliest? Or tiresome, irritating, fucking annoying?
The waterboarding doesn't shock me. Hell, there are always nutcases in the wings just wating to do that kind of shit to another person.
What makes me sick, is that the United States' government won't condemn it outright, without a moment's hesitation.
Kos is embarrassing us all.
SLAT!
G'nite bats!
Be good (or don't get caught!)
i like buxom trolls.
The Chinese love GDumbya. Makes all of their internal repression seem less noxious.
Tom - 大肚腩 | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 11:31 pm | #
Everyone loves doing business with W. Working for him is not so good.
i like buxom trolls.
euphronius
I didn't know trolls had genders....
We have a rating for Trolls? Like lesser troll, mountain troll, etc?
Or like ugly, uglier, ugliest? Or tiresome, irritating, fucking annoying?
Mostly ignorant, pointless, and tiring.
Beyond that not worth considering, unless it gives you joy to poke them with a stick.
"you have a very tough job and my admiration."
thank you - and it is nice that denise (3 dead in her family)and gwen (2) are MY students now, and that a mentally gifted freshman wants to work wit M|E and learn more history (that kind of extra work I LOVE)
I love these kids and really - they did not see that this officer deserved any sympathy from them. not their fault maybe but - ugly
Beyond that not worth considering, unless it gives you joy to poke them with a stick.
Doug,Sheiks ride pimper
Only if Scooter is in the cage with them.
I didn't know trolls had genders....
ellroon | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 11:34 pm | #
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in my unpublished water paintings, they do!
"I didn't know trolls had genders...."
I think euphronius means some of them have tits.
w/video
Fucking terrible.
Fucking barbaric.
And now:
Fucking American.
DWD: I remember you posting on Skelton at the time. Alas, there are those who enjoy power's use for its own sake, just as there are economists like Reich, another of your recent betes noirs, who think human suffering mitigated by another's gain. Me, the failure to view torture as a crime, the idea that a man who equivocates on it could be attorney general, that gets to me, as do those who celebrate the sort of economics so well summarized as free-market for the poor and socialism for the rich, those who confuse virtue with fortune. And I'll never forget the smirk on Bush's face when he caricatured Karla Faye Tucker's plea for mercy before he put her to death.
It's all over, 'cept for the crying.
Everyone loves doing business with W. Working for him is not so good.
I prefer, to sell to the Arabs pimped out planes. High profit, no contribution to war, only contributing to the Arab's comfort.
The venom in his eyes was the same as the venom in the cold eyes of the Nazis.
DWD - Revolution of One | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 11:29 pm | #
DWD:Ike Skelton is a jerk. BFD.
The award winning Canadian documentary ‘The Corporation’ has been released on BitTorrent for free. Filmmaker Mark Achbar just released an updated “official” torrent of it. Everyone is free to download, watch, discuss, and share it.
http://torrentfreak.com/sundance...-on-bittorrent/
Echidne,
Not to be an asshole (though I most certainly am at times) but what makes you think that a rational decision based on rational thought gleaned after rational observation of mountains of data interpreted rationally and all leading to the same RATIONAL conclusion makes one a candidate for chemical correction?
If I am wrong in my analysis, please show me the logical error. I have analyzed, read, thought, and researched. I have watched our leaders enrich themselves and abandon all pretense of caring about the law, the constitution, or the American people. Honestly, they do not even pretend anymore, do they? Nancy Pelosi answer as to why she was helping raising money for the DINO was that he is an incumbent and that is what she does.
The question about his loyalty to Democratic values never even made it into the place in her mind where it might even be considered.
Honestly, there is too much chemical happiness in our society. We need to get people to turn off their TVs and IPods and Computers (me too, here) and get motivated to throw the bastards out because they sure as hell are not leaving of their own volition.
Tom
still haven't gotten to Triad Election.
damn babies.
Last week Krugman didn't talk, this Markos is silence.
I think euphronius means some of them have tits.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 11.02.07 - 11:35 pm | #
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Well, they do feed off of each other, don't they?
"I didn't know trolls had genders...."
I think euphronius means some of them have tits.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Heh. I wasn't entirely sure they were mammals.
Former classmates describe Michael Mukasey LAW ’67 as man of quiet integrity
http://www.yaledailynews.com/art...cles/view/
21394
heh heh heh
I love these kids and really - they did not see that this officer deserved any sympathy from them. not their fault maybe but - ugly
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 11.02.07 - 11:35 pm | #
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It's not their responsibility to be saints.
DWD - Revolution of One,
I hear you man. The world situation, exaccerbated to a large extent by this country's actions, is a tragic failure. We've gotta focus as well on the treasures in our personal lives, small moments when joy seizes our tearducts and causes us to cry. I'm listening at this moment to Spoon's 2 latest albums and feelin' fine. Music is anti war.
Peace.
I think euphronius means some of them have tits.
Like Ken and Barbie dolls,
if anything at all, atrophied shrunken sexual parts, or maybe asexual.
I think that it's lights off for the computer.
Good night, folk!
I have lost all faith that any thing will ever improve in this country. We are simply, fucked.
DWD - Revolution of One
it's true, rather than Catch 22 i've been thinking of Lou Reed and the 'Great American Whale.'
"stick a fork in it, turn it over, it's done."
I think euphronius means some of them have tits.
AND ass. dont forget.
Did all of the people we half-drowned make things better much in Iraq, or elsewhere in the world?
It's really just revenge. We got hit hard, our trillion dollar defenses were easily penetrated, and we're pissed.
I heard a report on NPR, that during WWII, the Brits found it *much* more effective to turn enemy prisoners by treating them humanely. Actually, D-Day's success was built on a lot of that technique.
Just watch after the first of the year, as the repukes do an end around on the dems and run totally away and against bush, leaving the dems standing, mouths agape. wondering what the fuck just happened.
I just wish the dems weren't so dense when it comes to playin political hardball. When you got your opponent on the ropes, you have gotta go in for the kill.
Like Ken and Barbie dolls,
if anything at all, atrophied shrunken sexual parts, or maybe asexual.
Doug,Sheiks ride pimper
Their marriage was a failia
Cause they had no genitalia
I have lost all faith that any thing will ever improve in this country. We are simply, fucked.
DWD - Revolution of One
DWD,
I'm going to say this to you as a friend and as an empath. You've recently changed and become much more negative, markedly so. I wonder if this has more to do with some medication that you're taking than with any change in the outside world. Yeah, things are bad. At almost any point in history, people could look around and go "Shit, stuff is fucked up." Women couldn't vote, African Americans were lynched, the mob ruled the cities, the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl ruined thousands of lives. And, yes, right now we've got big problems. But you sound seriously depressed to me and seem to be taking things way too hard for it to be good for your own mental health. Can you talk to a doctor about this? See if any of your meds can lead to depression? When I was through w/ tamoxifen for the breast cancer, they put me on Femara. Depression isn't even listed as a side effect of Femara, but i fell into a terrible depression and that was the only precipitating even that my GP and I could find. My GP talked to my oncologist who said that she'd seen the Femara throw another woman into depression. They stopped the Femara and put me on an anitdepressant for about a year. It really helped me. I just hate to see you (1) in so much personal pain and (2) bringing down everyone else around here.
"It's not their responsibility to be saints."
No, but it was damn hard to listen to.
needed but hard.
Former classmates describe Michael Mukasey LAW ’67 as man of quiet integrity
http://www.yaledailynews.com/art...rt...cles/view/
21394
It's a small world, after all.
"stick a fork in it, turn it over, it's done."
Thinking back, about;
slavery,
the theft by President Jackson, of Indian land, and onwards,
the murder of labor union workers,
etc.,
it's always been a struggle in the US between murder, theft, torture, and human rights.
i agree w/ Hecate, DWD
it's always been a struggle in the US between murder, theft, torture, and human rights.
Doug,Sheiks ride pimper
"I can hire half of the working class to kill the other half." Jay Gould, robber baron
I don't get this.
Why would Bush appoint someone who wasn't a loyalist?
Why would the Senate refuse to confirm? Bush will never appoint anyone who would hold him accountable. We've already established that when Bush plays Chicken with Congress, they cave.
Is Dean living in another America where the government actually functions? That's the only explanation for his bizarre suggestion that the Congress could somehow ever "check" or "balance" his Imperial Holiness Frog Exploder the First.
Sad, really.
DWD: so how are you eating? Sleeping? You taking pleasure in anything at all? Feeling sexy, morning erections? Drinking more than 2-3 a day, max? Doing drugs a doc hasn't prescribed you? Relations with friends, family OK, or are you withdrawing?
To me, you sound pissed appropriately about politics, though I happen to disagree with your sense of hopelessness, while suffering personal losses and problematical medical interventions of inconsistent efficacy, about which you are also royally pissed. Then there's clinical depression, for which the above paragraph is a brief inventory, and which is also a common concomitant to chronic pain syndromes, which you also labor under. Sometimes meds help with the latter.
A sign of hope: The other night at choir rehearsal, on the break, one of the young women who's new to us thsi year glanced up at the calendar by the water fountain and said, "When does [our state] vote? I just moved here and I don't know when we vote. I need to get registered! When do we vote?"
And I was pleased to report that Illinois votes on February 5, and I can help get her registered.
yoda: you've been eloquently projecting your deep concern regarding the torture issue... feh... calling it merely an 'issue' seems so wrong.
most days it seems that so many things are completely upside down in this country that it is impossible to even know where to begin to speak out.
perhaps that is their strategy. keep things so messed up one doesn't even know where to begin.
when we (hopefully) get to the bottom of what went on, i believe it will go down in history as a very dark time...
very dark time.
fade to black
DWD, I completely get what you are saying. It's not that you are imagining how bad things are. They are. But you take it to heart so much more and it hurts me to watch it. Hence the suggestion.
Anyway the fact that things are fucked up, is no reason to give up.
Especially since many have our children, of our own, or of our sisters and brothers. If not for yourself, do this for the next generation.
It's a "pay forward".
To pay back those who have struggled and suffered, for you, that are now departed.
It's the end of History. We won.
The award winning Canadian documentary ‘The Corporation’ has been released on BitTorrent for free. Filmmaker Mark Achbar just released an updated “official” torrent of it. Everyone is free to download, watch, discuss, and share it.
Loved the movie. I very recently sold a chunk of our corned beef to Mr. Achbar and his partner, actress Rebecca Jenkins ("Bob Roberts").
needed but hard.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 11.02.07 - 11:42 pm | #
We lived for a long time in a very poor community and watching those smart happy kindergardeners fall by the wayside as the years mounted up and the odds agsinst them took their toll was painful. To be a teacher in that situation and not give in to despair and to still provide a hope of escape for some of the kids is such a good deed and takes such strength.
I'm in awe of people who do that.
strawhat,
That's pretty neat. I was at a party tonight w/ a lot of strangers. I made a comment about how Molly Ivins called Bush "Shrub" and everyone in the room laughed, nodded their heads, etc. We are making progress. It's slow and it's two steps forward, one step back, but it's progress.
Water water everywhere and not a drop to choke a suspect into confessing.
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"I can hire half of the working class to kill the other half." Jay Gould, robber baron
Upsidasium
Exactly. In the 1910's, the West Virginia coal mine operators hired the Pinkerton Agency to actually get on a slow moving train and drive by a striking coal-mining tent community and just open fire in the middle of the night.
(2) bringing down everyone else around here.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
he's not bring'n me down. but she, the snake girl, both have a point. your in my zone these days DW. and i am a known depressive.
doesn't matter, you are still right.
it could get better.
history is open ended, sort of like eternity.
Uncle B, we are in Uppe Darby and it is fucking soul crushing. i dont know how you teach in Philly.
you are a saint in my book.
Loved the movie. I very recently sold a chunk of our corned beef to Mr. Achbar and his partner, actress Rebecca Jenkins ("Bob Roberts").
It's an eye opener.
I watched it first time tonight (sans corned beef).
"Not to be an asshole (though I most certainly am at times) but what makes you think that a rational decision based on rational thought gleaned after rational observation of mountains of data interpreted rationally and all leading to the same RATIONAL conclusion makes one a candidate for chemical correction?"
If I may interject my 02/100 of a $...
because DWD you seem to have a tough time pulling yourself out of it. hey I know things suck but I can move on and make a tit joke - you used to be able to and now you seem like you can't.
yeah the world sucks ass - but we don't.
there's no hope at all - but there's still morning coffee.
Bush fucked up a lot of stuff but Casablanca is still with us...
and we'll always have paris
But Hecate, again: show me where I am wrong.
I understand that being a downer is not all that pleasant and I have to admit that the last two days of filling out the forms for the Social Security Administration requiring me to go through EVERYTHING that happened to me in the last two years was a very HARD experience for me.
But be that as it may, the truth remains that what I am saying, as far as I can determine, is the TRUTH. My congressman is a perfect example. As a Republican with tenure he should have been able to at least secure some funding for SOMETHING in this area that might alleviate the pain of the people here, he has not. Hoekstra has failed to do one bloody thing to help Western Michigan as far as I can tell. Why? He is part of the GOP mafia. If he does not want to represent this area, who is working for? Dick DeVOs and AMWAY and The PRince Corporation where he once worked? Could be.
The three hundred thousand people who own more than half of this country are running this country for their benefit and we are nothing more than serfs to the land that can be thrown away.
If I am wrong then show me. I long to have some hope. Did you read these two paragraphs from the New York Times today? "Of those 103,000 jobs, 14,000 were in the construction industry, and 25,000 were in finance. Does anyone believe that all those new companies are being created in those industries now? (You can see the government’s explanation for this here.)
At times of inflection, these adjustments can be wildly off, as I argued a month ago. I think we hit such a point this spring. A couple of years from now, after all the adjustments are made, this year’s job performance will look far less impressive.
Over the last 12 months, the government’s current numbers indicate that the private sector added an average of 115,000 jobs a month. But 80 percent of those jobs came from the statistical adjustments.
It is also worth noting that the govertment’s other survey, of households, has not found those jobs. Over the last 12 months, it has found about 50,000 new jobs a month. In October, it found employment declined by 250,000 jobs."
Think about what they are saying. Instead of creating 166,000 jobs as the government claimed, they actually LOST 250,000 jobs. That is a discrepancy of 416,000 jobs. That is an outright lie. And the news media dutifully read it.
We have no hope of redemption without truth and people who speak the truth are downers and in need of psychological help and medication.
Why has the middle class allowed itself to dissolve without a fight? It's shameful beyond words, considering how many died in order to establish a middle class in the United States.
If I hear that fucking cherrybomb song one more time I'm gonna plotz.
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Can you imagine if Bush nominated a liberal to the Attorney General saying, "well, he wasn't my first choice, but he's the best I can expect from this Democratic Congress."
We have no hope of redemption without truth and people who speak the truth are downers and in need of psychological help and medication.
DWD - Revolution of One | Homepage | 11.02.07 - 11:52 pm | #
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that aint what we saying.
I think most of here have personal histories with major depression. we love you and are concerned.
Why has the middle class allowed itself to dissolve without a fight? It's shameful beyond words, considering how many died in order to establish a middle class in the United States.
Not dead yet, but going that way. I think the trend is not visible that easily and class-awareness is poor and people tend to assume that bad things happening to them are either their own fault or the fault of one or two assholes.
Naomi Klein has a lot to say about the disappearing middle-class, too. I will find out if I agree or not, but banana republics usually have a small rich elite and lotsa poor buggers and we are heading that way.
"I think most of here have personal histories with major depression."
I know i do
"we love you and are concerned."
Ditto
Anyone who isn't somewhat depressed isn't paying attention.
"I think most of here have personal histories with major depression."
I know i do
"we love you and are concerned."
Ditto
And ditto. Also, I hear echoes of what I used to say when I was pretty miserable.
with that, im tired of getting too personal.
im worry if i stepped on your toes, DWD.
I havent walked a minute in your shoes and dont know a thing.
so again, sorry for crossing the invisible line.
"well the song that gets me through is literally about suicide - not a coincidence
Watching a BBC tv series called UXB where the people curse the bombs falling on London and the disruption in their lives.
Our bombs are not physical but we feel each blow the neocons land on our country and Constitution. We have come out of an unusually long period of peace for the U.S. We have forgotten most people of the world face bombs and disruption in their lifetimes more than once.
More and more Americans are becoming aware of the horrors of the Bush administration. Things are unraveling around the edges as more and more loyal Bushies seek time with their families.
Our nation will survive this and be stronger. (Although we may need to slap some sense into the Democrats on the way.)
I think the cheap fecklessness of the Democrats is a real soul destroyer because it makes their supporters feel like chumps. But I cheer myself by recalling that weak,pompous, dishonest as she is, Nancy Pelosi is not Demonic Tom Delay.
Illegitimes non corburundum.
I think the cheap fecklessness of the Democrats is a real soul destroyer because it makes their supporters feel like chumps. But I cheer myself by recalling that weak,pompous, dishonest as she is, Nancy Pelosi is not Demonic Tom Delay.
This is important. Ordinary everyday spinelessness and whining is not the same as demonic possession. I could live with the former if the latter wasn't still around.
"Nancy Pelosi is not Demonic Tom Delay."
yeah but we got so damn hopeful!
Goddammit, the middle class foots the tab. For fucking everything. The least this nation can do is make sure we can afford for our families to see the goddamned doctor.
It always sucks to be at the end of an era and on the cusp of a new one...
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yeah but we got so damn hopeful!
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 11.03.07 - 12:00 am | #
Obligatory Animal House reference.
We are making progress. It's slow and it's two steps forward, one step back, but it's progress.
Cool, some bint discovers her designer facet while the house has nearly burned down.
Anybody have lists of the fellatori that participated?
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Fourteen White House reporters were given a rare hour of access to President Bush on Monday, but the issues they discussed won't be making any headlines -- the session was all off-the-record. ...
An additional nine reporters were invited to the Oval Office on Thursday to "preview" President Bush's speech to the Heritage Foundation, in which he defended attorney general pick, Michael Mukasey, and characterized "some in Washington" as listening more to MoveOn.org and the anti-war group Code Pink than to "warnings of terrorists like Osama Bin Laden." ...
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A useful counterexample was Molly Ivins, who never spoke less than the truth and was extraordinarily clearsighted about the country's and the world's problems. It was part of her gift to speak truth to power with humor and ebullience. She also was dying from metastatic inflammatory breast cancer for the better part of a decade, too.
It's unfair to suggest that people are ganging up on you as a truth-teller, hence a downer, or suggesting that drugs or some other therapy are inevitably the answer, though depression is indeed fairly effectively treated these days. Hang in there and take a deep breath. Most everybody on this board gives a shit about you, while sharing 90% or more of your opinions, which is all anybody gets. Please give it a bit of thought.
And I was pleased to report that Illinois votes on February 5, and I can help get her registered.
strawhat
D'ja fall in love?
I tend to agree with DWD.
If you're not depressed, you're not paying attention.
Sometimes persisting in hope, which is dashed again and again and again, is merely another name for denial.
You are right, I am losing my sense of humor. I just need something to happen that is good for America. Is that too much to ask? One victory.
And filling out the disability forms did cause a major bout of depression (if you have never done this, it is a very minute and exacting process.) I am figuring it took me nearly eight hours. They wanted to know every doctor, every test, every drug, the motivations for each test and efficacy of each procedure and the reasons it failed or worked. In other words I had to relive each medical experience since the day I hurt by neck including all of the heart procedures. Very very disheartening.
Thank you for concern. But I will be fine. I just am tired of losing all of the time. We cannot seem to win even the smallest battle. This Attorney General will be no better than the last one. Bush is a complete and utter fool. Iran will be attacked. More people will die. The news media will continue to lie. Americans will continue to care about football and anything else that will serve as Aldous Huxley's SOMA to keep them from actually THINKING.
More and more Americans are becoming aware of the horrors of the Bush administration. Things are unraveling around the edges as more and more loyal Bushies seek time with their families.
I've noticed in recent times, that there are fewer and fewer defenders of the Bush policies. Mention torture, and instead of "hell yeah" or "go USA" there is a loud silence. Most the public no longer supports this, only a few die hards (those brain-dead, and clinically insane?).
I wish I could afford despair, but we have kids now, so there is naught but hope now.
anger, yes, but no more despair.
Sometimes persisting in hope, which is dashed again and again and again, is merely another name for denial.
Toonscribe
Fie on you!
Now of to kill those pesky goddam windmills...
Later!
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I'm waiting for Blackwater to do a Milo Minderbinder and bomb the green zone.
Sometimes persisting in hope, which is dashed again and again and again, is merely another name for denial.
Toonscribe | 11.03.07 - 12:02 am | #
Everyone dies, most likely after debilitating aging or injuries. The poor suffer worse. Humans are designed to sustain themselves on illusory hope. Don't spit on our evolutionary strength.
But I cheer myself by recalling that weak,pompous, dishonest as she is, Nancy Pelosi is not Demonic Tom Delay.
Oh joy! Smashing my thumb with a hammer isn't quite as bad as being nailgunned through the scrotum.
"Sometimes persisting in hope, which is dashed again and again and again, is merely another name for denial."
so don't be hopeful then. keep at it because it's the right thing to do.
I've seen success and joy and new life come out of nothing and seen things fall apart when the person who thought they were accomplishing nothing left.
So we're fucked and the ship is sinking - I'm still going to do what I do.
i dont know if Iran's gonna be attacked.
looks like putin stopped it.
"Smashing my thumb with a hammer isn't quite as bad as being nailgunned through the scrotum."
well, yeah.
Not hoping for it. It just seems like that is where the growth of these 'security' companies will lead.
i dont know if Iran's gonna be attacked.
looks like putin stopped it.
That is a bit of black clouded humor, when a former KGB agent is a source of hope.
Iran won't be attacked. We can't afford it.
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More and more Americans are becoming aware of the horrors of the Bush administration. Things are unraveling around the edges as more and more loyal Bushies seek time with their families.
This includes a growing number of....... Evangelicals.
Hey c'mon!
The Republicans were crushed in 2006, no one likes Bush, and there isn't one red state left.
I campaigned for Walter Mondale. How do you think that felt?
And I worked for Dukakis. That sucked do.
I got paid to help the Dems in win in 1994. Yeah, that was depressing moment.
Not to mention 1998, and 2000.
Things aren't that bad!
Oh joy! Smashing my thumb with a hammer isn't quite as bad as being nailgunned through the scrotum.
bo | 11.03.07 - 12:05 am | #
You have a big ol' time with that nailgun, then. I'll have a couple of drinks as I soak my thumb in ice-water.
It just seems like that is where the growth of these 'security' companies will lead.
I had relatives who were members of UMW local #1. I have a fairly good idea what to do with them.
Iran won't be attacked. We can't afford it.
Iran won't be attacked. We can't afford it.
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MisterX
Well... When did that stop Unka Dick from doing what he wants to do...?
If ProfWombat is still here, I have white chocolate raspberry cheesecake.
Hoekstra is your congress dude?
no wonder you are depressed.
look DWD, one thing, no, two things i can tell. we are not of a like mind, and we are both depressed.
i'm not saying your depression is not rational, but the solicitors are right, there are things you can do to ameliorate it.
in the end everything will still be fucked up, but you'll feel not so bad about it.
good, bad?
The Pinkertons, and the National Guard and various police forces, were the Blackwater of their day.
The history of the labor movement needs to be studied in as much detail as the civil rights movement.
reconstruction era was a worse time in US history, by far.
world history? well, there is not world war.
the climate and environment suck though.
Iran won't be attacked. We can't afford it.
Being a bellicose nation never ends pretty.
The US has done nothing but piss on its hard won and astounding global goodwill ca. 1945.
Cuz there was money to be made.
Oh joy! Smashing my thumb with a hammer isn't quite as bad as being nailgunned through the scrotum.
bo
I'm afraid only a third party can save us......maybe.
Things aren't that bad!
TrÜth Strategist
Wow, bipolar. Awhile ago you were looking for a bridge.
Certified Nutroot, Merriweather GoldenChild Sweetwater, of Ann Arbor, MI, sues Baptist Church over "ChristoFacists lurking under my hempwood futon."
As I was saying before haloscan so rudely interrupted...
Hillbillys use faith, not logic to guide their actions.
sallyh: you clearly have too much of it; conditions like that respond to modern therapeutic modalities quite well...
I remember once when I was working as a sub/literacy aide in a K-8 school, I spent a lot of time with one kid.
Long story but the short version is I was one of three people who kept her in the school - and it was damn close to her becoming a ward of the state as an incorrigible child.
Hey her life was still shit but - she was still in school.
a win.
cause if we didn't try we'd a lost her.
just because I couldn't help make her 100% fine doesn't mean it isn't a win.
CoT, it is that bad.
But, there's work to do.
We're grateful that you and Tiger are here to translate
Democrats deserve to lose the majority in Nov 2008. They're worthless and useless. I've had it with them. Efff Feinstein and Schumer and all of 'em. They stink out loud !!
Ten easy steps
To fascism (Naomi Wolf for the Guardian):
1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2. Create a gulag
3. Develop a thug caste
4. Set up an internal surveillance system
5. Harass citizens' groups
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7. Target key individuals
8. Control the press
9. Dissent equals treason
10. Suspend the rule of law
We've pointed out and counterattacked on each one of these points.
This Two-Buck Chuck Merlot leaves something to be desired. The Tuesday afternoon vintage was not good.
For a quick overview of UMW #1 history, plus the town of Butte, read the first book of the series, "copper camp". This tells the sad and joyous story in some detail.
"I have white chocolate raspberry cheesecake."
and i don't get some?????
So we're fucked and the ship is sinking - I'm still going to do what I do.
I think that's exactly right. In the end, the sun is going to expand and burn our pretty blue planet to cinders. In the end, as the boyking famously noted, we'll all be dead. But I'm here and there is far more that is wonderful and good than there is that is horrible and bad and I'm going to wake up every day and do what I can to advance the good and eliminate the bad. And I'm going to have fun doing it and I'm going to enjoy all the beauty and friendship and music and poetry and art and fun that I can. Because it pisses off the Goddess to walk by a field of flowers and not admire the color purple. Making ourselves miserable won't help the cause. Don't make me get all Emma Goldman on your ass, DWD.
no wonder i like it here, i'm a manic.
now, echidne of the zuzecas... about that spaceship you requested.
Now of to kill those pesky goddam windmills...
Speaking of tilting at windmills
Trent Reznor is off and running
ProfWombat, I have too much cheesecake?
Well, get over here and help me eat it
"Democrats deserve to lose the majority in Nov 2008."
not to the repugs.
hey the dems suck but they ARE better than the repugs.
now, echidne of the zuzecas... about that spaceship you requested.
It needs to have a sauna, you know.
But I cheer myself by recalling that weak,pompous, dishonest as she is, Nancy Pelosi is not Demonic Tom Delay.
Oh joy! Smashing my thumb with a hammer isn't quite as bad as being nailgunned through the scrotum.
bo
i agree, it's small. but the difference is big. think about it.
The dollar is tanking, oil hits new heights, fucked-up mortgage lending drags the entire economy down the sewer (soon!)... there's no way America can invest in a new war. Here comes the diplomacy!
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sallyh: m'love, I'll even use utensils if i must...
socailists were thrown in jail for talking to each other in the 1950s. weve come aways.
but, you know im not even 30 yet, so i really dont know that much.
other then my brother, who is 40 and gay, has, for the past 10 years or so, actually felt somewhat welcome in some place in this country. which is good.
11. fear everything, because you're an utter inept idiot
Wow, bipolar. Awhile ago you were looking for a bridge.
Larry Craig snorkel snitcher
Was I?
I was just impressed by that map sinfonian put up today. I've put in a lot of work over the years and I've rarely seen the GOP so hated.
Of course, I've never seen them so evil, so there is that.
Also if I had to guess I think Bush probably will attack Iran before next fall, so feel free to be bummed.
"there's no way America can invest in a new war."
there you go again...
logic has a liberal bias, remember?
I wish I could afford despair..
Enjoy a cloudy day.
It needs to have a sauna, you know.
A sauna is no good without a cold tub or pool to jump in, unless you have a snow drift.
The Pinkertons, and the National Guard and various police forces, were the Blackwater of their day.
The history of the labor movement needs to be studied in as much detail as the civil rights movement. - ProfWombat
Excellent point. They need to be studied, if for no other reason than to understand how rough it can get.
Uncle Blodge, why, of course you do!
Extra large slice.
sallyh: m'love, I'll even use utensils if i must...
I've often wanted to go to a fancy restaurant, order some chocolate gate for dessert and then just dump my face into it.
Oh joy! Smashing my thumb with a hammer isn't quite as bad as being nailgunned through the scrotum.
bo
i agree, it's small. but the difference is big. think about it.
charley | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:15 am
The sad part is there are people who will pay for both.
HI ALL!!
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A sauna is no good without a cold tub or pool to jump in, unless you have a snow drift.
It's ok even without those, but rolling in the snow was great fun.
There we go, new slogan for the Democrats
Democrats: Not the Demonic Party
I think that cuts to the chase.
"you know im not even 30 yet, so i really dont know that much."
don't sell yourself short.
and read everything you can
So we're fucked and the ship is sinking - I'm still going to do what I do.
No we aren't irretrievably fucked. The US is such a fucking powerful machine, if harnessed responsibly, can do really freaky good shit, too.
Just depends on who's driving.
Although
Democrats: Better than a nailgun on your scrotum
has a certain appeal.
ProfWombat, marsupials are known to be able to eat delicately with their paws.
Just don't drink your B&B with a straw
Killfile is a blessing, particularly when a butt-yodeling troll arrives.
"Uncle Blodge, why, of course you do!"
you know you're wonderful.
Move to Philadelphia so i can come over and make a nuisance of myself.
Hillary's Spitzer d-license comments will haunt her henceforth
real social protest involves death, destroyed lives, prison sentences and failure.
we havent reached that point yet. mostly because the democrats are just good enough and the country is just big enough and people are just poor enough.
Right now, a new war is bad for buisiness.
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The history of the labor movement needs to be studied in as much detail as the civil rights movement. - ProfWombat
Excellent point. They need to be studied, if for no other reason than to understand how rough it can get.
bo
More than that, it needs to be studied because we are undoing what the labor movement fought for. We will be going back there because human nature being what it is, we will do the same shit to each other again. We need FOREVER checks and balances and checks and balances on those checks and balances.
some bint discovers her designer facet while the house has nearly burned down.
Bite me.
Oops, must head bedward. Night, bats...
Wish a talented writer would combine Catch 22, 1984, & Duck Soup to explain the Bush years to the Repubics.
the american labor movement, for all the good it did, was still horribly racist and corrupt.
I've often wanted to go to a fancy restaurant, order some chocolate gate for dessert and then just dump my face into it.
Echidne
My daughter when she was a toddler would blissfully massage chicken noodle soup into her hair...a whole body experience eating...
Wish a talented writer would combine Catch 22, 1984, & Duck Soup to explain the Bush years to the Repubics.
1Watt, Hermit/Slob | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:20 am | #
The Simpsons
Bite me.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:19 am
There is an innuendo joke to be made but I am not pissing of Hecate....
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the american labor movement, for all the good it did, was still horribly racist and corrupt.
Yes, and sexist, too. But it still did some good.
the american labor movement, for all the good it did, was still horribly racist and corrupt.
euphronius
exactly my point. Neither side was entirely good nor entirely bad. We need to watch both and force them to be fair.
the American Labor Movement: f__k them because they weren't sufficently sensitive to bullshit "diversity"
historymann,
You have been missed! How's them cute kiddies?
My daughter when she was a toddler would blissfully massage chicken noodle soup into her hair...a whole body experience eating...
ellroon | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:20 am
Oh my Osama bin Toddler used to do that, now its just little Apocalypta.
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sorry, the reason i pined out that the american labour mvement is because we were looking back at them for guidance.
i dont know - the civil rights movement loks a lot better to me.
and i say this as a socialist and unionist
DWD --
When despair grows in me
and I wake in the middle of the night at the least sound
in fear of what my life and my children's lives may be,
I go and lie down where the wood drake
rests in his beauty on the water, and the great heron feeds.
I come into the peace of wild things
who do not tax their lives with forethought
of grief. I come into the presence of still water.
And I feel above me the day-blind stars
waiting for their light. For a time
I rest in the grace of the world, and am free.
Wendell Berry
You have been missed! How's them cute kiddies?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:22 am
They are doing great, have some recent pics I will be uploading to my long neglected blog. Will have plenty of time to do it, considering I will be laid up for about a week.
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Yes, and sexist, too. But it still did some good.
Precisely. And, next time around, it won't be so racist, sexist, etc. The labor movement did a shitload of good at great cost and is worth studying. Hoffa got his start the day that a load of highly perishable strawberries were delivered and needed to be trucked out immediately. Pressure points.
Parts of the labor movement were racist, and parts, like Randolph's Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, way in front of the rest of the country. And corruption was a problem in labor, as, indeed, it was in business, religion and elsewhere in the country's life.
I don't claim moral exceptionalism for the labor movement. Hell, I'm from an old lefty household that viewed Samuel Gompers' no-strike pledge as the workings of the devil. But the fact is that, as corporations grow larger and more powerful, countervailing powers such as unions and governments become even more vital.
I will be laid up for about a week.
Whaaaaaaaaaat???
Hillary's Spitzer d-license comments will haunt her henceforth
Lubyanka
You're thinking like a republic and that's so passe.
Well, I am heading off for bed. And Hecate, of course I am depressed. I know I am. My question is this: if the reasons for my depression are legitimate reasons for depression, doesn't that make my depression a rational response to stimuli?
Look at it from my perspective: I now have to do the one thing I NEVER wanted to do; I have to go before the government and beg to have them certify me as a damaged individual. Do you know how bad that makes a person feel? I am a proud person who has alway done what is necessary. I worked in a foundry at extremely hard physical jobs for thirteen years because that was the only job I had.
I taught in the worst school district in the state of Michigan (by whatever criteria you choose to assess them by) for twenty two years because it was my task to do so. I have never shirked my duty in my entire life. I have always done what is necessary. Now I cannot.
And then I have to prove I cannot. Why? Isn't the fact that I am no longer doing it enough? If there were any way in this world for me to go to work, don't you think I would? And here I have people looking at me like I am lazy or shiftless or something.
Then I have the constant pain that never actually leaves. I wake up several times during the night with my arms numb and I have to get up and move around for a while until the feeling comes back.
I care about people and the news is just grim all of the time. I cannot watch television anymore. It is nothing but a bunch of pathetic lies designed to keep people in the dark. If I actually think about what we are doing to people I just start crying.
And yes, I am depressed. The last time I went to psychologist he told I was the most rational person he had ever met in his life. I believe my rationality still wins out.
But you are right, I have to find some way to put this out of my mind. I am trying but it is hard. Pain robs joy. It is a rule.
But thanks for caring, I appreciate it very much and I love this place and its people. (Even the youngsters. )
sorry, the reason i pined out that the american labour mvement is because we were looking back at them for guidance.
i dont know - the civil rights movement loks a lot better to me.
Why? What about the labor movement is unappealing?
Because of the violence, or the message?
im sorry. i think it was my personal disillusionment with socialism and communism which prompted that remark. sorry.
I'm enjoying a Silver Fizz right now.
1/2 oz fine sugar
1/2 oz lemon juice
2 oz gin
1 egg white
Put in a shaker with a few cups of cracked ice and shake the fuck out of it for a minute. Pour into a tall glass. Add 2 oz seltzer and mix gently.
Good stuff. I think I'll have it for breakfast tomorrow, too.
By the way, that clip of Seinfeld mocking Larry King is fucking priceless.
Good night, DWD. May it give you uninterrupted and good dreaming.
Whaaaaaaaaaat???
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 11.03.0
Yeah, had the only thing I share in common with Lintball removed, or to use the medical parlance: A wide excision of a persistent pilonidal cyst.
Pain in the ass jokes may commence...
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Now
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I believed in Sambo' Claws and the easter lincoln, Keneydid and teh Nixondint. Anybody who thinks this place is anything more than an open air butcher's table needs some better mustard on their death dog.
The Pinkertons, and the National Guard and various police forces, were the Blackwater of their day.
What kind of money does your bank account require, to rake machine gun fire into coal miner tents, that you *know* contain women and children?
It's fascinating. At what point does gobs of cash eclipse basic humanity.
BTW, I still don't know where those C-130 pallets of Jerry Bremer cash went.
I rest in the grace of the world, and am free.
Wendell Berry - Sparkle Plenty
Umm, errrr, it's just that right now I feel a bit like a bitty frog with enough cognition to know he's within beak-range of that heron.
nutroots and their fellow travelers want to cap on their "civil rights" success and extend their power by extending the notion of "civil rights" into infinity.
Steinem helped start it: "make the personal political"--another way of expressing hyperactive socialism, or communism.
As usual, she had no idea what she was talking about.
But the fact is that, as corporations grow larger and more powerful, countervailing powers such as unions and governments become even more vital.
ProfWombat
Today, in the most gilded of ages, I believe only 7% of American workers are unionized. Pathetic.
zuzeca goddess: sauna is duly noted... will a waterproof laptop be required on the journey?
labor movement
Excellent point. They need to be studied, if for no other reason than to understand how rough it can get.
In Butte, silicosis
(same as black lung but with powdered quartz instead. One of my grandads died of this. I have no memory of him, only pictures, and stories about him, including one that he played a mean fiddle.)
murder, dynamite bombs, loss of jobs and poverty.
Also if I had to guess I think Bush probably will attack Iran before next fall, so feel free to be bummed.
TrÜth Strategist
i don't have a lot of money, but i'd be willing to put a hundred on it. on a kinky day five hundred.
nailed scrotum.
for the record, i repeatedly warned how important the 04 elections were.
also, for those who say "we" can't afford it, this ain't about you, except in the sense that you too need that oil. and by golly, you will have it.
Lubyanka is an anagram for
Banal Yuk
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the American Labor Movement: f__k them because they weren't sufficently sensitive to bullshit "diversity"
spoken like a true scab.
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Love kilfile
What kind of money does your bank account require, to rake machine gun fire into coal miner tents, that you *know* contain women and children?
It's fascinating. At what point does gobs of cash eclipse basic humanity.
Certainly for the mine owners it was all about money.
For the Pinkerton's it was about the fear of socialists and communists. It really was as base as the hatred of the people, not necessarily because of the color of their skin, or even their country of origin. It was a lot about political ideology.
Who has the longest crime rap sheet in american history.
will a waterproof laptop be required on the journey?
That would be lovely.
And someone to throw water on the hot stones while I blog.
It's fascinating. At what point does gobs of cash eclipse basic humanity.
It's so simple, one can cry.
The more you have, the more you want and the less you are willing to lose.
That's simply it.
WombatProf should know that corporations are beholden to stockholders, ordinary people, and not some alien entity. Or maybe not..
Yeah, had the only thing I share in common with Lintball removed, or to use the medical parlance: A wide excision of a persistent pilonidal cyst.
Yeah but with him they threw away the wrong bit.
h/t lord birkenhead
"make the personal political"--another way of expressing hyperactive socialism, or communism.
Goddess, you are an idiot and you've got your quote wrong. The realization that the personal IS the political was one of the founding realizations of modern feminism. And it's every bit AS true today as it wa back in the 70s when Ms. Steinham was only one of many who helped women to realize that they weren't alone, that the things that made them miserable were societal issues and not personal problems and that political action was a great way to address many of those issues.
John Dean is my hero.
WombatProf should know that corporations are beholden to stockholders, ordinary people, and not some alien entity. Or maybe not..
Lubyanka | 11.03.07 - 12:32 am | #
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lol. yeah. thats what happens. hahahah.
the most naive people in the world are wingers.
charley
We could start a pool. Back in 02 I had the start date of the Iraq within a week (based on the weather.)
Who has the longest crime rap sheet in american history.
chase | 11.03.07 - 12:32 am
Wasn't that NWA?
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OH! You mean that kind of rap!
My bad
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Who has the longest crime rap sheet in american history.
chase
The republic party...a corporation has the same rights as an individual and thus "who" applies.
and i apologize for negativity re socialism.
i have a personal issue wereby my idealism becomes too real and i am not realistic about humanity.
night
Hec:
Steinem's remark was one of passive victimization: "since I can't manage my own life, it's up to the gov't to do so.."
Tell Me You Love Me is the most boring show in the history of tv. And it has nudity.
good night, Uncle Blodge. Sleep tight.
That, by the way, , came from the old mattresses starting to sag unless the pins were periodically tightened.
Steinem's remark was one of passive victimization: "since I can't manage my own life, it's up to the gov't to do so.."
Lubyanka | 11.03.07 - 12:36 am | #
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funny, thats what men have been saying since the beginning of time.
A lot of the players who were involved in early Montana mining are still around. Rockefeller, Harriman (I don't know what moniker they now go by), Dutch Royal family, and Shell oil, and many others.
oh - Lubyanka is stupid. Has delusions of mediocrity. the hamster in the wheel of his mind has run out of pellets. continue as you wish as i must sleep
For the Pinkerton's it was about the fear of socialists and communists.
And, for some of the Pinkerton's, just as for some of the Nazi guards and some of the Roman footsoldiers and for some poor saps wearing American uniforms right now in Iraq, it was about getting a paycheck any way that they could and feeding their kids and they looked at their hungry kids and decided to do "whatever it took" to feed them. Most of the Pinkertons were also poor, uneducated, subject to a lack of opportunity. I'm not trying to excuse them. In my home, when I was growing up, there wasn't anything -- anything -- worse that you could call someone than "scab."
hecate - you're debating feminism with the KGB's torture jail? In the name of Shulamith Firestone, come to your senses.
Tell Me You Love Me is the most boring show in the history of tv. And it has nudity.
TrÜth Strategist | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:36 am
WOW! That is one of the saddest things I have heard (read) all day.
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Citizens, that is, persons who are citizens, have certain obligations of citizenship that are generally taken up by grownups as the just exchange for the benefits of living in a decent society. They get drafted, and sometimes die a long way from home. They pay taxes. They obey the laws or go to jail. And like that.
Corporations, which are legal persons, also benefit greatly from societal structures and have obligations of citizenship as well. These are not, of necessity, in conflict with making a profit in fiduciary duty to stockholders; quite the opposite, if a long view is taken.
tell me THAT you love me
grumble grumble
Put in a shaker with a few cups of cracked ice and shake the fuck out of it for a minute. Pour into a tall glass. Add 2 oz seltzer and mix gently.
Good stuff. I think I'll have it for breakfast tomorrow, too.
Stunt Woman | 11.03.07 - 12:27 am | #
i'll buy the tavern if you'll run it...
Night all
Keep 'em flyin'
It's fascinating. At what point does gobs of cash eclipse basic humanity.
Some people are in it for the jollies, very little money needed.
viz
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Many waterboard team members, even in training, enjoy the sadistic power of making the victim suffer and often ask questions as an after thought. These people are dangerous and predictable and when left unshackled, unsupervised or undetected they bring us the murderous abuses seen at Abu Ghraieb, Baghram and Guantanamo.
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see it's ungrammatical too
Prof Wombat: watch "How It's Made" on Discovery Channel sometime and learn about corporations in a fundamental way.
It takes a special talent to construe Steinem as embracing passive victimization. Unless, of course, one hasn't actually read Steinem, but merely adopts the Limbaughist caricature.
Many waterboard team members, even in training, enjoy the sadistic power of making the victim suffer and often ask questions as an after thought. These people are dangerous and predictable and when left unshackled, unsupervised or undetected they bring us the murderous abuses seen at Abu Ghraieb, Baghram and Guantanamo.
I wonder if the ex-soldier who tortured and killed his wife was working in a torture job.
If you wake up every Am in pain, it's kinda hard not to be depressed.
Ummmm, this sirloin steak is excellent!
Went well with the baked potato, and asparagus.
Finished that and am now crunching on the salad.
I've got an experiment in the oven. Some company has made a box mix of whole wheat brownies. They smell good, but will they taste that way?
dear god troll.
you want to talk corporations ???
fucking quiz us
Add this to the barlist:
The Seething Webb:
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In shot glass
Layer
1 jigger Remy Red
on
1 jigger of Blue Curacao
top off with gin
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hisstoryman,Hunter of Da Snark | Homepage | 12.28.06 - 12:41 pm
Prof Wombat: watch "How It's Made" on Discovery Channel sometime and learn about corporations in a fundamental way.'
A complete non sequitur, this.
torture also often irreparably harms the tortures.
who are 'just following orders"
not all the time.
ProfWom:
only a matter time before you use words like "construe" and "Limbaughist"; get new material, amigo!
And, for some of the Pinkerton's, just as for some of the Nazi guards and some of the Roman footsoldiers and for some poor saps wearing American uniforms right now in Iraq, it was about getting a paycheck any way that they could and feeding their kids and they looked at their hungry kids and decided to do "whatever it took" to feed them
However, unlike your examples, the Pinkerton's were today's Blackwater. They were a private entity, that just happened to be given police powers by corrupt public officials in some areas, and in others, public officials turned a blind eye, both because they sympathized with them, or the mine owners, were owned by one or the other, and chose not to do anything.
I understand that the US government didn't have the FBI, but there was a military that was permitted to operate in the western territories pretty much freely.
While I have no doubt that there were probably a few who went to work for the Pinkerton's because they were desperate for a job, I don't think it was that many.
So I try to make real points and in return get straw men, non sequiturs, excluded middles and now grief over my choice of words.
So I'm done, absent more thoughtful opposition.
Layer
1 jigger Remy Red
on
1 jigger of Blue Curacao
top off with gin
Dear Goddess,
That looks lethal. What's got you laid up?
I put sheets upstairs.
So I try to make real points and in return get straw men, non sequiturs, excluded middles and now grief over my choice of words.
So I'm done, absent more thoughtful opposition.
ProfWombat | 11.03.07 - 12:45 am
You expected anything else?
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Prof Wombat: watch "How It's Made" on Discovery Channel sometime and learn about corporations in a fundamental way.
Lubyanka
Lubyanka,
Watch this and then fuck off.
http://torrentfreak.com/sundance...-on-bittorrent/
ProfWom:
Get back to your pipe and snifter, where you belong.
If you wake up every Am in pain, it's kinda hard not to be depressed. - ErinPDX
Indeed. I hesitate to gripe, given what DWD endures, but the constant low-level grumbling of my joints this morning really soured my mood.
Groanin' old ain't for sissies, and you have to be prepared to live life as farce.
Meanwhile Pittsburgh Episcopal Diocese votes to leave gay US Episcopal Church.
Troll free sheets upstairs
That looks lethal. What's got you laid up?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:46 am
I beleive you made the same comment when I posted that oh so long ago (you actually posted it on your blog too.
Anyways:
A wide excision of a persistent pilonidal cyst.
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Whoever earlier remarked that Pinkerton was the 1860's version of Blackwater was spot on.
BTW, Pinkerton provided General McClellan with repeatedly shitty intel on his disastrous Peninsula Campaign.
Lubyanka, who was deputy chief of station in Berlin, 1959? Understand that when you conjure ghosts, devils clutch their ectoplasm.
Prof Wombat: watch "How It's Made" on Discovery Channel sometime and learn about corporations in a fundamental way.
Lubyanka | 11.03.07 - 12:41 am | #
several lightyears beyond stupid...
McClellan, acc. to Gen. Phil Kearney, was "the Virginia Creeper."
the american labor movement, for all the good it did, was still horribly racist and corrupt.
Yes, and sexist, too. But it still did some good.
Echidne
I suppose you guys are correct to a point, but in the first fifty years of the last century, the labor movement was just about the only cultural entity where a woman and/or a person of color could enjoy not only equality, but leadership with white males. Let's also not forget the advancements in wages, working conditions and hours of labor which the unions were crucial in obtaining, and which helped our parents to survive with dignity.
FW:
Lubyanka Prison in central Moscow was the destination of Russian dissidents of all stripes during the Soviet era, an era these nutroot twits--in their mindless leftism--are blissfully unaware of
fucking quiz us
euphronius
what are the similarities and differences between 501 c3 and 501c6?
what are the similarities and differences between 501 c3 and 501c6?
ErinPDX, Duck centric
It's a little early in the night to debate the intricacies of tax law.
Steinem's remark was one of passive victimization: "since I can't manage my own life, it's up to the gov't to do so.."
Lubyanka | 11.03.07 - 12:36 am | #
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funny, thats what corporations have been saying since the beginning of time.
euphronius
Fixed your typo.
Lubyanka, did you know that Walesa was KGB?
How time flies, how it has flown this eve. I come in for a bit, go away, it;s a whole new universe.
Bobby, Who ♥ Kucinich | 1
if we demand perfect every time, we will get nowhere. Hell, even Xians admit that Christ wasn't perfect!
I emailed Christopher Dodd asking him, as the only person standing up for the Constitution these days, to block the vote on Gonzales II.
He probably won't. If there is one thing that I have learned lately, it's that politicians can't do two things at once. But he is the only hope we have. He is the only democrat with a set of balls in Washington right now.
We'll see, but I am not hopeful. We will have Mukasey, and it will be Gonzales all over again. Doing whatever it takes to protect the criminal mafia in the White House.
Man, I never get a link from Atrios or one of the many NotAtrioses we have around here. Maybe I should write something relevant someday.
Good morning, my fellow moonbats, liberfucks and chickenbeavers.
I'd ask what fresh hell awaits today, but we can't call it fresh hell on a Saturday. Like lazy restauranteurs, the world instead serves up buffet hell on Saturday.
Spartacus is on ITV3 right now. Is it known for being one of the most unintentionally gay films in film history?
what are the similarities and differences between 501 c3 and 501c6?
ErinPDX, Duck centric
iirc ...
501c3=non-profit, non-partisan organization, so therefore tax exempt
501c6=non-profit partisan lobbying organization, so therefore subject to taxation
Having deed drawn up to this thread, unless anybody objects.
Damn, was clicking on the wrong link. Do I feel like an ass.
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