I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

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Gravatarfirst?


GravatarShouldn't that be "if you're not bored"?


GravatarIs that the CofT transcript?


Gravatarfirst?
Missouri Bird


No, and you were beat by a multiline comment (even if it was probably cut and pasted)


GravatarWhy would I be bored?

Since I'm a liberal, I have many eeeevil activities to keep me busy.


GravatarIs that the CofT transcript?


Oui.


GravatarBoredom is overrated anyway.


GravatarIs that the CofT transcript?

Si c'est funky.

Later. I gotta wash dishes. Or "dishez," as the kids say nowadays.


GravatarI'm so bored that I'm licking my own ass.


GravatarShouldn't that be "if you're not bored"?
ronjazz


No, this is the version with teh funny.


Gravatarso we are agreed then, Obama does poop gold?

It's one of the miracles of science, when shit does not stink. I assume it comes from all those Mentos he chews on.


GravatarSeems a shame to have nothing to blogwhore so close to the top of the thread...


GravatarI'm so bored that I'm licking my own ass.


No sex talk and no bathroom talk. It has been man dated.


GravatarMan, these tree trimmers at the formerly-foreclosed house at the end of the block have been at it since 8:00 this morning!

I gotta get outta here...


GravatarI'm so bored that I'm licking my own ass.
NTodd, Thread Führer


Another satisified yoga customer!


Gravatar73 visitors within 10 minutes. Shows there are people reading rather than having just left the browser window open.


GravatarI can't say that I've ever been "excited" about a presidential candidate...

Me either.


GravatarNo sex talk and no bathroom talk. It has been man dated.

Um. Sure. OK.


GravatarWhen McCain opposes his own legislation
Posted February 2nd, 2008 at 11:15 am
Over the last year or so, when John McCain was struggling to get his presidential campaign back on track, one of his more notable challenges was reinventing himself — again.

When he got to Congress, McCain was a rather conventional conservative Republican. After his role in the Keating Five scandal, McCain took on a reform-minded persona. By 1999, he was a self-described “maverick” and moderate, who would move the GOP to the center. By 2004, McCain was back to being a conservative again. By 2007, he had positioned himself as an establishment Republican, and when that didn’t work out, McCain decided he’d become some kind of hybrid of the various McCains of the recent past.

If I didn’t know better, I’d say McCain has very few core values, and is willing to shift with the wind to get ahead. It’s one of the reasons he’s flip-flopped all over the place throughout the campaign.

This became especially clear the other night at the Republican debate in Simi Valley, when McCain was asked whether he’d vote for the immigration-reform legislation he introduced in 2006. He responded that the bill won’t come to the floor of the Senate. Of course, that wasn’t the question.

More...

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport...ives/ 14447.html


Gravatarskippy and jon swift are celebrating the anniversay of blogroll amnesty day by encouraing a blog-burst!

we're asking anyone w/a blog to write a post linking to 5 or 6 smaller blogs, to spread the traffic and linkage luv around!

details (and a kewl graphic) at skippy and jon swift!


GravatarI can't say that I've ever been "excited" about a presidential candidate...



I have been. I've been excited about Clinton in 96, Gore in 00, and Kerry in 04.

Excited enough to give them my time.


GravatarI've never been that bored.


GravatarI found out today how woefully out of shape I am.

Good thing I'm finally getting to the damn doctor on Monday. Chantix will make it all better.


GravatarI really should be blowing leaves and preparing the yard for our Super Duper Party, but caring for the munchkins has really tired me out.

maybe drugs will help?


GravatarThat garage post is funny. I once thought that aliens from outer space would interpret this country as the country of the cars where cars have many servants to walk them and to feed them and where the room of the cars is given great prominence in architecture.


GravatarDid Iran ever get their intertube connections back?


Gravataryay, skippy! of course, it would be hard for me to find a smaller blog than mine :p


Gravatarmaybe drugs will help?

Or partying...

/D. Boon


GravatarI cannot believe how morally depraved the so called "liberals" are on this site have become. Clinton and Obama will continue this war just like Reid and Pelosi, the bottom line is that this war is good for their bottom line. Democratic party = war party 1A, end of discussion.

I hope that the cries of dead Iraqi children keep you awake at night fucking war enablers


GravatarMe I think it's kind of nice when people get excited about politics.


Gravatarman date?

who's Bush giving head to now?


GravatarI'm so bored that I'm licking my own ass.
NTodd, Thread Führer


Drinking gin and getting blind drunk costs a little more, but I believe you'd find the taste superior.


Gravatarall cut tubes are 'on the table'


GravatarTranscript scmanscript.

Whichever one goes to the Senate and filibusters the FISA bill gets my vote. Neither of 'em do it, then neither of 'em is worth the title 'leader'. Especially of the 'free' world.


GravatarI can't say that I've ever been "excited" about a presidential candidate...

Bill Bradley
Howard Dean


GravatarI can't say that I've ever been "excited" about a presidential candidate...

I only get excited by erbium-doped porn.


GravatarIf you get really bored, you can see what I looked like as a 17 year old shoegazer!


GravatarI found out today how woefully out of shape I am.

Good thing I'm finally getting to the damn doctor on Monday.


Had to face a little night music myself, yesterday.

A visit to the ER taught me that my heart's in good shape, but that I have to make some changes in my diet, in my exercise, and in my overall hedonistic lifestyle.

The worst is exercise...I'm good for a long walk, but beyond that...


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Later. I gotta wash dishes. Or "dishez," as the kids say nowadays.


don't forget mine when you're done.


GravatarOh, man, it followed me here, I just know it. ZOMG1!!1 Republicans and Democrats are all the same and they all want to rape our grandmas and eat our babies oh noes!11!1!


GravatarI hope that the cries of dead Iraqi children keep you awake at night fucking war enablers
Green Dick | 02.02.08 - 4:30 pm | #


Oh, I beg you. Please get Saint Ralph to save us. Please. PLEASSE!!!!!!!!


GravatarHmmm...

I don't see a theme in this thread yet


GravatarMe I think it's kind of nice when people get excited about politics.

me too. my nephews can't vote for another 3 or 5 years, but damn are they excited about Obama. my cockles get all toasty.


GravatarI cannot believe how morally depraved the so called "liberals" are on this site have become. Clinton and Obama will continue this war just like Reid and Pelosi, the bottom line is that this war is good for their bottom line. Democratic party = war party 1A, end of discussion.

I hope that the cries of dead Iraqi children keep you awake at night fucking war enablers
Green Dick | 02.02.08 - 4:30 pm | #



50% you are right.
50% you are penalized the entire length of the field out of the stadium and all the way to the Atlantic for rudeness and inaccuracy.


GravatarI may be many things, but "morally depraved" ain't one of 'em.


GravatarToasted cockles. It's what's for dinner.


Gravataroh, and Thers, this place needs dusting, too.


GravatarBill Polk on c-span2 is saying that the current best estimates of total cost of ownership of the Eyerack War are now at about 6 to 7 trillion dollars.

Then, consider what we and unborn generations of US taxpayers have bought for that.

Never let the Republicans up off the floor again. Never.
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GravatarI once thought that aliens from outer space would interpret this country as the country of the cars where cars have many servants to walk them and to feed them and where the room of the cars is given great prominence in architecture.

Yup, same here. All the roads and such, too. Certainly if you don't zoom in too closely, vehicles are visible before the people are.


Gravataryou can see what I looked like as a 17 year old shoegazer!

Awwww!! I always found geeks endearing.


Gravatarmy moral depravity has gotten kind of rusty lately, but I'm working on it.


GravatarThat garage post is funny. I once thought that aliens from outer space would interpret this country as the country of the cars where cars have many servants to walk them and to feed them and where the room of the cars is given great prominence in architecture.
Echidne | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 4:30 pm | #


have you ever seen the anthropoligist's satire "knowing the nacirema"?

nacirema is 'american' spelled backwards. the essays in the book try to puzzle out why the nacirema put so much effort in to serving their cars, which must have had some powerful magical significance since it would seem to have been so impractical for the nacirema to maintain expensive machines that spew poison

they also study the porcelin lined ritual chapels found in all nacirema homes, with their magic brush sticks and many ritual potions

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GravatarI can't say that I've ever been "excited" about a presidential candidate...

*****


not even Harold Stassen?????????

WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU??????????????


GravatarAnyone ever hear the LBJ phonecall where he tells his tailor to "leave room for my nutsack and bung hole?"


GravatarPlease do not procreate with the retard troll.

TIA.
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GravatarI cannot believe how morally depraved the so called "liberals" are on this site have become.

Democratic party = war party 1A, end of discussion.

So there's nothing left to say, except: Enjoy your moral superiority, and have a nice day!


Gravatarhave you ever seen the anthropoligist's satire "knowing the nacirema"?

We read that in Anthropology class freshman year.


GravatarI cannot believe how morally depraved the so called "li--

Your concern is noted.


GravatarMarcellina- When do the drunken clowns invade your fair city?


GravatarNo, this is the version with teh funny.
V for Virginia | 02.02.08 - 4:28 pm | #

Ah, true.


GravatarI cannot believe how morally depraved the so called "liberals" are on this site have become.

Not a dime's worth of difference, right?


GravatarMarcellina- When do the drunken clowns invade your fair city?

They're already in Prague.


Gravatarnot even Harold Stassen?????????

Yeah...I really should've thought of all the hometown boys that have run.

Mondale, Anderson, Stassen, Ole Savior...


GravatarI hope that the cries of dead Iraqi children keep you awake at night fucking war enablers
Green Dick | 02.02.08 - 4:30 pm | #


if clinton/obama do what they say they will do and bring the troops home from iraq within a year, and stop threatening war agains iran, i am going to come over and officially make you eat shit

but if they make more war, you get to do the same to me

hmmmmm..... maybe i ought to rethink that...

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GravatarGromit, Tuesday. But I'll be in Munich visiting my beau, and we'll go into town to see the parades and whatever there.

There are a lot of things I wouldn't have been caught dead doing, until I started a blog.


GravatarI may be many things, but "morally depraved" ain't one of 'em.
Vicki, Who ? Al Gore | 02.02.08 - 4:33 pm | #

damn.


GravatarI cannot believe how morally depraved the so called "liberals" are on this site have become.

does this mean that the inquisition is coming to purify us soon?

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GravatarI wasn't saying that I don't get excited about politics, but candidates.

You're never gonna find a candidate that's backs your shit 100% (in my case, at least).


GravatarThe have to end the war. The country wants it, and we are in desperate need of politicians with integrity.

They have to end the war to save resurrect our political process and begin to help the country regain respect for who we were and what wecan be.


GravatarI hope that the cries of dead Iraqi children keep you awake at night fucking war enablers

You're an enabler as well.


Gravatarmatt drudge has a fantastic photo at his page of billary giving a seig heil salute, hopefully this will turn off millions of americans to her.


GravatarAnother diary the Orange Satan Hall Monitors won't like: Dead Kennedys Endorse Obama!


Gravatarif bobby kennedy had let eugene mccarthy win the nomination, well, I hate to even speculate, but eugene would have defeated nixon i think.


GravatarI may be many things, but "morally depraved" ain't one of 'em.
Vicki, Who


That ex-paramour from the garage at Ghirardelli's says otherwise!


GravatarWe have to end the war to save resurrect our political process and begin to help the country regain respect for who we were and what wecan be.

FYT.


Gravatarmatt drudge has a fantastic photo at his page of billary giving a seig heil salute, hopefully this will turn off millions of americans to her.
commie catcher | 02.02.08 - 4:40 pm | #

well, dozens, maybe, who wouldn't have voted for her if paid.

some dumb fucks come over here.


Gravatarwell, dozens, maybe, who wouldn't have voted for her if paid.

Actually, I'm sure it'll make the likes of most of our little trolls give her a second look.


GravatarFYT.

Dude, they are we.


GravatarIs there something about Groundhog's Day that's bringing out every insane fucking troll on the Internet and making them come here?


GravatarIs there something about Groundhog's Day that's bringing out every insane fucking troll on the Internet and making them come here?


The Babyruth.


GravatarDude, they are we.

You are we.

And we are all together!

Goo goo g'joob!!!


Gravatarevery canadian woman I've ever spoken with likes hillary.

when I tell them I think she's a right wing warmonger they do what all good canadians do; respond thoughtfully.

(and quietly think I must be nuts)


GravatarI once thought that aliens from outer space would interpret this country

i always say that the aliens have put up a big sign on the way to earth reading

Warning! Dangerous! This planet is inhabited by Very Bad Monkeys!

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Gravatardave,

LOLCats for Obama.

It has truly reached a fever pitch.


GravatarI may be many things, but "morally depraved" ain't one of 'em.
Vicki, Who

That ex-paramour from the garage at Ghirardelli's says otherwise!
Marcellina


Long memories around these parts! True, the funny posts are easier to recall.


GravatarThe have to end the war. The country wants it, and we are in desperate need of politicians with integrity.

This is where someone who likes to lord moral authority over others would say that we are in desperate need of an electorate that gets into politics rather than sits on the sidelines waiting for others to do it.


GravatarTrollies trying to come to grips with the thought that the rule of the F-You Boys is coming to a close. I am willing to believe that I will never see a GOP controlled congress again as long as I live. And that feels good.


GravatarIs there something about Groundhog's Day that's bringing out every insane fucking troll on the Internet and making them come here?

I think panic about the election is setting in for real.


GravatarIs there something about Groundhog's Day that's bringing out every insane fucking troll on the Internet and making them come here?
Supreme Commander Thor


First of the month. Welfare checks came in. Got their dial up reconnected. Have two weeks of wit to share with us.


GravatarA Pacman frog with a proplapsed anus.


GravatarDude, they are we.

Which is why 'we' is a better term. 'They' implies somebody else doing the work.


Gravatar I am willing to believe that I will never see a GOP controlled congress again as long as I live. And that feels good.

Yes.

Of course we need to weed out the idiots. And there are plenty of our side.


GravatarFirst of the month. Welfare checks came in. Got their dial up reconnected. Have two weeks of wit to share with us.

Pragmatic.


GravatarPresident AWOL knows how to handle Islamofascists:
http://www.villagevoice.com/blog...h-399- thumb.jpg
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GravatarGoo goo g'joob!!!

I'm sitting on a cornflake.


GravatarThe war will end once the Bush Depression is in full swing.


GravatarSaturday kittehs and then I haz to go grocery shopping.

http://plush-life.blogspot.com/2.../ hallooooo.html


GravatarAfternoon, rational people. I brought my handy air freshener because it smells of trolls in here.


GravatarPragmatic.
watertiger


Terse.


GravatarThe right is a bit adrift at the moment, first because their own candidates SUCK and, second, because they don't have the narrative written to slime the Democratic candidate. Oh, and their candidates suck, did I mention that?


GravatarI hope that the cries of dead Iraqi children keep you awake at night fucking war enablers
Green Dick


I just cuddle with my Ratfuck Ralphie 2000 doll until I finally drift off.


GravatarWhich is why 'we' is a better term. 'They' implies somebody else doing the work.


I'm not writing for pay here. Forgive my laziness in editing a comment.


Gravatar I am willing to believe that I will never see a GOP controlled congress again as long as I live. And that feels good.

well, I'll be happy when the current GOP controlled Congress is replaced with more, and better, Democrats in 2008. House Majority Leader Boehner and Senate Majority Leader McConnell really get on my fucking nerves.


Gravatarhave you ever seen the anthropoligist's satire "knowing the nacirema"?

nacirema is 'american' spelled backwards. the essays in the book try to puzzle out why the nacirema put so much effort in to serving their cars, which must have had some powerful magical significance since it would seem to have been so impractical for the nacirema to maintain expensive machines that spew poison

they also study the porcelin lined ritual chapels found in all nacirema homes, with their magic brush sticks and many ritual potions


Funny. Also makes me wonder how wrong we interpret some of those ancient findings.


GravatarI'm sitting on a cornflake.
NTodd


I thought you were licking your ass.


GravatarWhich is why 'we' is a better term. 'They' implies somebody else doing the work.
NTodd, Thread Führer | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 4:46 pm | #


it was the reagan propoganda machine that popularized the anti-democratic notion that the government is them and not us

we iz supposed to be the gummint and we iz supposed to be making it do things

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GravatarVicki, your LOLcats for Obama link doesn't work.


GravatarIf I were smart I'd just close Photoshop™ and be done with it.


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GravatarOf course we need to weed out the idiots. And there are plenty of our side.

Yepper. Still, I'm in the mood for some heavy handed lefty rule. I know, I know, but I wants it anyway! Buwahahahaha!


GravatarHouse Majority Leader Boehner and Senate Majority Leader McConnell really get on my fucking nerves.

Ha. And so does that limp dick Harry Reid.


I want Dodd for Majority Leader.


GravatarAP:
...For starters, his budget contains no war costs beyond 2009 and fails to address the huge cost of keeping more and more taxpayers from feeling the bite of the alternative minimum tax.
Bush's budget plan will also, on average, freeze most domestic programs funded by Congress each year. Since departments such as Veterans Affairs and Homeland Security will be getting increases, that means other agencies would bear difficult cuts.
The budget for the Health and Human Services Department, for example, would be reduced by almost 3 percent under the Bush budget plan to be released Monday.
The $2 billion in HHS cuts are about double the size of the reductions Bush sought last year; Democrats controlling Congress rejected them. Congress is ultimately likely to reject the cuts again, but the White House played a tough hand in last year's budget battle and the gulf between the two could mean gridlock that would tie up the agency's budget until Bush's successor
takes office. The cuts would hit HHS programs funded by Congress each year.
These reductions would be in addition to almost $200 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid over the next five years that administration officials acknowledge
are in Bush's budget. Much of the savings would come from freezing reimbursement rates for most health care providers for three years.
Congress rejected a smaller package of cuts last year, and there's no reason to think they would rise to the challenge in an election year. The proposed savings from Medicare and Medicaid are about three times the cuts proposed last year.
Within HHS programs, Bush would eliminate a $302 million program that gives grants to children's hospitals to subsidize medical education. A $300 million program for public health improvement projects would be eliminated, while grants to improve health care in rural areas would be cut by 87 percent.
The Centers for Disease Control's budget would face a 7 percent reduction of $433 million. The budget for a program to treat and monitor the health of first
responders and others exposed to toxins at the World Trade Center after the Sept. 11 attacks would be cut by 77 percent, from $108 million this year to $25 million in 2009.
The National Institutes of Health, which funds health research grants, would see its budget frozen at $29.5 billion. A program providing grants to help mental health and substance abuse providers update their treatment programs would be cut almost in half. Bush also would
eliminate a new $49 million program to help states provide health insurance to people who are ailing and cannot obtain health insurance in the commercial market.
There are a few increases, however. The Food and Drug Administration would receive a 6 percent boost to $2.4 billion to ramp up food and drug safety efforts.
Head Start would receive a 2 percent increase to $7 billion. Abstinence education programs popular with social conservatives would get a 25 percent increase to
$137 million. At the same time, a popular program that provides heating subsidies to the poor would be cut by $570 million, to $2 billion.
As expected, the budget would eliminate the $654 million Community Services Block Grant program, which provides seed money for community action agencies that help the poor. That cut was proposed last year, but Congress rejected it on a bipartisan basis.
Within the Education Department, Title I grants, the main source of federal funding for poor students, would get $14.3 billion, about a 3 percent increase from this year, under the administration's proposal. About half of the nation's schools, and two-thirds of elementary schools, receive Title I funding. The administration proposes to spend about $11.3 billion for special education services for students with disabilities, an increase of roughly $330 million.



GravatarI'm not writing for pay here. Forgive my laziness in editing a comment.
Vicki


Files that one away...


GravatarYou're never gonna find a candidate that's backs your shit 100% (in my case, at least).

Of course not. But I never expect that. And when I do find such a candidate, generally they're piss-poor politicians who could never follow through anyway.


GravatarLOLCats for Obama

Try this.


GravatarNewspapers would be a lot more valuable if they realized that incidental news coverage is out of their domain now. With TV and the Internet, there's just no way that a paper that comes out once a day is going to be able to satisfy peoples' need for current information. If they focused instead on creating more in-depth coverage (which may no longer be possible with the rise of blogs), rather than reprinting the same AP wire stories that every other paper (and Internet news site) is printing, they could provide real value. Something in between current news and magazines, which is about what their publishing cycle is best equipped to cover.


GravatarFirst, more democrats

Next, better democrats

It ain't gonna happen overnight, folks


Gravatarwell, I'll be happy when the current GOP controlled Congress is replaced with more, and better, Democrats in 2008.

Mr. Leiberman with a moldy card table in a Katrina trailer for an office. No phone.


GravatarYup, got it. Thanks, Vicki.


GravatarLOLCats for Obama.

Wow.

And that's not a good "wow"...


GravatarFunny. Also makes me wonder how wrong we interpret some of those ancient findings.
Echidne | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 4:48 pm | #


in the book they warn about the archeaologist's tendancy to categorize anything they don't understand as a magic, ritual object

and then there is the problem of whether the technology/artifacts migrated or the people did

future archeologists could end up interpreting that the native americans adopted european technology, but 400 years later they were invaded and conquered by the honda and toyata peoples

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Gravatarthat will.i.am video is great, thanks for the link vicki.


GravatarA Pacman frog with a proplapsed anus.

Who is Joe Lieberman, Alex?


Gravatar"Boortz blames Katrina on ‘parasites’ in ‘New Orleans.’On his nationally syndicated radio show this week, right-wing talker Neal Boortz attacked victims of Hurricane Katrina, saying that “the disaster that followed” was not “George Bush’s fault” because, in Boortz’ mind, “the primary blame goes on the worthless parasites who lived in New Orleans who you — couldn’t even wipe themselves, let alone get out of the way of the water when that levee broke.” Earlier in the same show, Boortz claimed that “when these Katrina so-called refugees were scattered about the country, it was just a glorified episode of putting out the garbage.”"
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02...in-new-orleans/


GravatarI'm sitting on a cornflake.

Got one? Got one? EVERYBODY'S got one!

(Or did he say "cranberry sauce"???)


GravatarNewspapers would be a lot more valuable if they realized that incidental news coverage is out of their domain now.

Actually I disagree with that, at least for newspapers in markets large enough to support a web presence.

Yes, they should do the indepth stuff, but they also should own the local coverage, and be agressive about posting it to the web in real time.

My local paper does that, and pretty successfully.


GravatarIn its ideological struggle against Al-Qaeda, American anti-terrorist strategy too often overlooks the basic tenets of the infamous Chinese warlord Sun Tzu, namely: know your enemy.

That is the fixed view of leading analysts, who conclude that through ignorance of the enemy it faces, ignorance of its nature, its goals, its strengths and its weaknesses, the United States is condemned to failure.

"The attention of the US military and intelligence community is directed almost uniformly towards hunting down militant leaders or protecting US forces, (and) not towards understanding the enemy we now face," said Bruce Hoffman, a professor at Georgetown University, Washington DC.

"This is a monumental failing not only because decapitation strategies have rarely worked in countering mass-mobilisation terrorist or insurgent campaigns, but also because Al-Qaeda's ability to continue this struggle is based absolutely on its capacity to attract new recruits and replenish its resources.

"Without knowing our enemy, we cannot fulfill the most basic requirements of an effective counter-terrorist strategy: pre-empting and preventing terrorist operations and deterring their attacks," Hoffman added.


Gravatarbut 400 years later they were invaded and conquered by the honda and toyata peoples

Don't forget the people who worshipped at the altars of the warring gods MAC and PC.


GravatarI'm not writing for pay here. Forgive my laziness in editing a comment.

There's really no need for that comment.


Gravatar(Or did he say "cranberry sauce"???)

Dunno. I buried Paul, though.


Gravatarif you could tell what a president was going to do in office by studying their voting record and campaign speeches, elections in this country would be much easier to deal with

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GravatarDave, on the subject of Obama, you're just as tiresome as Hadenough is on Hillary.


GravatarBusinesses that are following the old model are all in trouble. The big three television networks, radio and newspapers all work on the model that the advertiser is the customer. The viewer, the listener and the reader -- i.e., us! -- are the product to be delivered. The actual medium is, in each case, just the truck used to deliver us to the cattle chutes.


Gravatarscarlet johansen is an Obama supporter? it's true, the guy does poop gold.


GravatarThere's really no need for that comment.
NTodd,


And there was a need for yours?


GravatarFirst, more democrats

Next, better democrats

It ain't gonna happen overnight, folks
Gromit


Funny you should mention that. This morning Molly Ivors indicated that she would be attending a community forum on running for political office.

I think more of you young rascals should consider that. Really.


GravatarDave, on the subject of Obama, you're just as tiresome as Hadenough is on Hillary.

and half as entertaining.

ok, off to blow some leaves.


GravatarAnd there was a need for yours?

He has to be obnoxious at least 3 times a day.

Otherwise he bursts into flames.


Gravatarok, off to blow some leaves.

Leaves like that?


GravatarOkay, off to buy some delicious groceries.


GravatarGood on her, but when is Molly gonna have time for office? Teaching, kids, and Scrabulous must occupy 10 hours a day.


GravatarShrimp and leek quiche isn't gonna make itself.



GravatarNewspapers are in trouble because they have lost the classified ads.


Gravatar30 hours a day


GravatarNewspapers are in trouble because they have lost the classified ads.

In part, yes.


GravatarHe has to be obnoxious at least 3 times a day.

Otherwise he bursts into flames.




He has a lot of combustible energy, that's for sure. ;(

And I do admire it that he's channeling it to where his passions lie.

Same with Snow.


Gravatar"China’s Inflation Hits American Price Tags"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/0...f69b6f4& ei=5070

I've been wondering when higher prices from China would happen. Sooner than I thought.


GravatarI'm on a budget now. Only 16oz of chocolate a week.


GravatarThere's really no need for that comment.
NTodd,

And there was a need for yours?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore


Yes. I wanted to make sure it's clear because a lot of people dissociate themselves from the government when it is very much a WE. Saying 'they' makes all the responsibility somebody else's.

There's no need for you to get defensive.


Gravatarwho is up for some Russian scrabble?


GravatarDoug, your link to the titanium dioxide catalyst for hydrogen electrolysis from water fired my imagination! Good on ya, dude!


GravatarNewspapers are in trouble because they have lost the classified ads.

Are they unprofitable, or just not as profitable as the bean counters like?


GravatarI'm on a budget now. Only 16oz of chocolate a week.

It doesn't count when the chocolate is white, or in a form you drink.


GravatarGWPDA-- Sorry the doggie thing didn't work out for you. But at least you found out before the dogs moved in. We got dog #2 as a puppy, and the conflicts didn't start until she was a year old. They didn't end til dog #1 died. But I know you had high hopes.


GravatarI'm on a budget now. Only 16oz of chocolate a week.
Echidne


A week?!

/looks down at chocolate-smudged keyboard


GravatarHe has to be obnoxious at least 3 times a day.

I don't think my comment was obnoxious. It's a prettying important fucking point.


Gravataryeah, all of us are more progressive than most of the democrats in washington, and we make a lot of good speeches here on th' eschaton about what they should be saying and doing

so when is an atriot gonna pony up and run for national office, eh?

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GravatarAre they unprofitable, or just not as profitable as the bean counters like?

The latter. Newspapers actually still make a fair profit, but not as high as other firms do. So when shares are traded like that the owners of the newspapers insist on more missing white women and more tits.


GravatarNewspapers are in trouble because they have lost the classified ads.


And for being shills to the White House


GravatarFrankly, looking at the state of technology today, why would anyone imagine daily newspapers could be a viable medium? When was the last time you decided to buy something based on a newspaper ad? Heck, it's got to have been years since I even saw a newspaper ad.


GravatarGood on her, but when is Molly gonna have time for office?

Those kids are going to come in handy as volunteer staff.


GravatarPlantsman, in spite of the political and economics woes of this country, everything isn't bad. There are some excellent tech fixes for some of the problems, and if we would,
social fixes for the rest.


GravatarIt doesn't count when the chocolate is white, or in a form you drink.

Don't give me outs. I'm firmly decided on this starvation diet for now.


Gravatarso when is an atriot gonna pony up and run for national office, eh?


"Molly Ivors" is taking a class about it and seriously considering it in future.


GravatarYea, I'm bored - post a video of a couple of you Eschaton dykes dildoing each other.


GravatarYes. I wanted to make sure it's clear because a lot of people dissociate themselves from the government when it is very much a WE. Saying 'they' makes all the responsibility somebody else's.

It's also a little thing Republicans have taught people, separate the people from the government and make the state and government separate institutions.


GravatarI think panic about the election is setting in for real.
fourlegsgood


When someone like Derbyshire can watch the two debates and realize how bad the repubs looked compared to the dems, well, yes. Some see the handwriting on the wall.

Trolls can't read, so they're having some trouble grasping the cold, hard truth.


GravatarThe war will end once the Bush Depression is in full swing.

I agree that the U.S. will exit Iraq only after the debacle has become too expensive for the overall system, not just too detrimental to the standing of individual politicians or their parties.


GravatarFrankly, looking at the state of technology today, why would anyone imagine daily newspapers could be a viable medium? When was the last time you decided to buy something based on a newspaper ad? Heck, it's got to have been years since I even saw a newspaper ad.

There are still many people who use them for that, believe it or not. There are still many people who don't use the Internet at all. But that is changing.


GravatarAre they unprofitable, or just not as profitable as the bean counters like?

Wouldn't it be nice if the object were high quality reportage and financial sustainability, rather than 30% margin and to hell with the product?


GravatarNewspapers actually still make a fair profit, but not as high as other firms do. So when shares are traded like that the owners of the newspapers insist on more missing white women and more tits.
Echidne


Which, I am convinced, further erodes profits by driving off readers looking for something they can't find in the "Enquirer."


Gravatarso when is an atriot gonna pony up and run for national office, eh?


"Molly Ivors" is taking a class about it and seriously considering it in future.


I fucking give the fuck up.


GravatarThere's big money to be made placing ads.


Gravatar"mimi" said I was obsessed with food and dissed me for it. Then I discovered Food Network and realized I'm not alone.


Gravatarso when is an atriot gonna pony up and run for national office, eh?

.
Tacitus Voltaire


Practically speaking (or pragmatically speaking, take your pick), one does not start out by running for national office unless one has a family name that is recognizable.

State legislatures, local school boards, city councils are not bad starting places, especially for those who are not wealthy.

If Molly I is serious, and I get the impression she is, I wouldn't be averse to contributing to a fund that would send her to a Wellstone training camp.


Gravatar4:00 PM 1 hr, 59 min Violent Politics: A History of Insurgency, Terrorism & Guerrilla War, from the American Revolution to Iraq
Author: William Polk


We were guerrilla warfare proponents, yet our General Washington refused to condone torture...


GravatarI fucking give the fuck up.
Snow


You know, you should run for office. You'd be good at it.


GravatarWho is clicking all these well placed google ads?


Gravatar
It's also a little thing Republicans have taught people, separate the people from the government and make the state and government separate institutions.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry


When I return home to visit my family, I notice that they very, very often say "They" should do this or that. I am constantly asking who "they" are. I believe it has gotten so deep into the language that often people don't even know exactly to whom they are referring.


Gravatarback again:

"Not as low as the dweebs in the steams, who have thousands of dollars of gear with them, and can't cast a fly more than 10'."

those are called 'customers'.


GravatarI much prefer reading the newspaper as opposed to reading news online. But I ended up cancelling the local newspaper because it was just so worthless. But for scanning for information it's a much much faster medium. Not to mention reading baseball box scores, which are crap online, when you have to click and click and click and wait for the ads to load and all that.


GravatarWho is clicking all these well placed google ads?
dirk


There's a click-fraud subroutine in the mimi-bot.


GravatarYou know, you should run for office. You'd be good at it.

I fucking cuss too fucking much.


Gravatarlimbaugh put up the picture of mccain, giuliani, and schwartzenegger together, calling them "three liberals"

the repuglican party is having a civil war of the bad stupid ideas vs the crazy evil stupid ideas

.


GravatarI don't think my comment was obnoxious.

I think it was pedantic. I get your point; I'm sorry I didn't use the collective "we" instead of they, but every post I make here is not going to be perfect. I try. I shoot, I score or I miss. Regardless, I get what you're saying, and I know you feel strongly about a collective sense of responsibility for the war, and that you want to make that point because it's important to you.

However, I'm not on that page with you.


GravatarEllie Krieger makes food diabetics can eat and keeps it interesting.


GravatarSaying 'they' makes all the responsibility somebody else's.

Absolutely yes. This "govt is the enemy" crap has to come to an end. Bushco's intentional destruction of a functional govt was designed (I believe) to reinforce this republican meme. I blame Rove, Cheney and Norquist.


GravatarI don't like NPR because they fired Bob Edwards and replaced him with those neocon mouth pieces Mara Liasson and Steve Inskeep. NPR is better than average but they still have a strong bias towards the received "conventional wisdom" worldview.


GravatarI fucking give the fuck up.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry


They all say you should.


Gravatar"the owners of the newspapers insist on more missing white women and more tits."

i'll take the tits, hold the missing women.


Gravatarafternoon bats,

It's a perfect day outside...I hope you're blogging from the hammock!

I've cleared 83 cubic miles of leaves off my lawn and found some suprisingly green grass under them. First time Devon has seriously played in a pile of leaves.


GravatarOnly twice in this nation's history has a sitting senator been elected president. Looks likely a third time is coming, assuming McCain gets the GOP nomination.


GravatarI don't like NPR because they fired Bob Edwards and replaced him with those neocon mouth pieces Mara Liasson and Steve Inskeep. NPR is better than average but they still have a strong bias towards the received "conventional wisdom" worldview.

Age discrimination.


Gravatarthe repuglican party is having a civil war of the bad stupid ideas vs the crazy evil stupid ideas

.
Tacitus Voltaire | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 5:07 pm | #

Its the puke big tent.


Gravatarokay then, I'll have to find a Russian to play with


Gravatar"mimi" said I was obsessed with food and dissed me for it. Then I discovered Food Network and realized I'm not alone.
plantsman | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 5:05 pm | #


The only nice piece of furniture my wife and I have ever owned is a quarter sawn oak dining room table that can sit 12. Food, family, friends and joyful conversation forms the very foundation of my being.


GravatarI fucking give the fuck up.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry


Aw, c'mon, Snow, you know you have to keep hammering away at us. We have short attention spans and sometimes forget that you are running for the US Senate against Lindsay Graham.


GravatarIt's a perfect day outside...I hope you're blogging from the hammock!

grrrrr


GravatarSmaller town newspapers are some of the highest earning businesses.


Gravatari can't run (this is merely wimping out) becuz they'll find out that i have smoked up the weed output of two mexican states and a county in california in my time

yes i did inhale

.


Gravataron the subject of Obama, you're just as tiresome as Hadenough is on Hillary.

Sorry, I'm just not a big Kool-Aid fan.


GravatarYou notice when Hillary backed the flagburning amendment proposal, it took the topic away from the GOP arsenal.

Nice bit of reverse spin engineering on her part...


GravatarOH Wow! it turns out Britany Spears is NOT a brand of canned asparagus! He is actually a teevee star!


GravatarI fucking give the fuck up.

Put your campaign URL in your comments if you want people to know. Maybe you think that'd be gauche somehow. But not everyone knows that you're the next senator from SC. Speaking of, assuming you're elected, will you have control of your own votes or will the big boys have to tell you how to vote in exchange for other favors?


GravatarIt's Lindsey, but OK.


GravatarI fucking cuss too fucking much.
Snow


fucking daisy cutter F-Bomb laying mother fucker



GravatarI agree that the U.S. will exit Iraq only after the debacle has become too expensive for the overall system, not just too detrimental to the standing of individual politicians or their parties.

It already is. Between that and the lack of clearcut goals and any movement towards "success" (whatever that is), it shouldn't be difficult to get up there and say, "We're leaving."


GravatarI fucking cuss too fucking much.
Snow


What the fuck are you talking about?


Gravatar"They" are installing crappy neutral carpet in the unit next door. It's Saturday afternoon -- but I won't say anything.


GravatarFirst, more democrats

Next, better democrats

It ain't gonna happen overnight, folks
Gromit

Funny you should mention that. This morning Molly Ivors indicated that she would be attending a community forum on running for political office.

I think more of you young rascals should consider that. Really.
Diane C. Barking-Mad | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 4:56 pm



Funny you should mention that.
http:// www.democraticunderground...mesg_id=2805772

Longish, interesting.
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GravatarYou notice when Hillary backed the flagburning amendment proposal, it took the topic away from the GOP arsenal.

Nice bit of reverse spin engineering on her part...
Mr.Murder | 02.02.08 - 5:09 pm | #

Then its a good thing she voted for bomb bomb Iran Kyl-Lieberman.


GravatarI don't like NPR because they fired Bob Edwards and replaced him with those neocon mouth pieces Mara Liasson and Steve Inskeep. NPR is better than average but they still have a strong bias towards the received "conventional wisdom" worldview.
wÒÓ†


Neal Conan dismisses your comment with a condescending chuckle.


GravatarBetween that and the lack of clearcut goals and any movement towards "success" (whatever that is), it shouldn't be difficult to get up there and say, "We're leaving."


Unfortunately, at this time, Bush doesn't listen to reason, or to the DFH.


GravatarThe people on NPR go out of their way to sound cultured in their diction and pronunciation. Most intellectuals in fact bypass that style of speaking.


GravatarIt's "Britney", as if you couldn't have noticed.


GravatarI'm on a budget now. Only 16oz of chocolate a week.

It doesn't count when the chocolate is white, or in a form you drink.
Doug | 02.02.08 - 5:01 pm |


So this is alright:

http://www.worldpantry.com/cgi-b...umer.d2w/ report


GravatarDon't give me outs. I'm firmly decided on this starvation diet for now.

I'll have to give you my recipe for healthy oatmeal cookies.

Preheat oven to 375.
In a large bowl,cream 1 & 1/2 sticks of butter in a cup and a half of brown or raw sugar.beat in three eggs and 1 teaspoon of vanilla. set aside for moment.
In another bowl, put 1 & 1/2 cups whole wheat flour, and 2 cups of oatmeal. Add 1/2 teaspoon of cinnamon, and 1/4 teaspoon each of ground cloves, nutmeg, and salt. Put in 1 teaspoon of baking soda. mix well.
Blend in gradualy that mixture into the creamed butter sugar mix. Stir into that a cup of (in almost any combination) of rasins, dried: apricots, nuts, figs, prunes, apples

spoon out onto baking pan and cook approximately 12 minutes. Check often after about 11 minutes to see if done.

recipe claims this makes 4 doz, but with the size of cookies I make, I only get about 16.


GravatarHave a nice night. Dinner beckons.

Peace.

Love ya, NTodd.


GravatarI think it was pedantic. I get your point; I'm sorry I didn't use the collective "we" instead of they, but every post I make here is not going to be perfect.

Look, it wasn't a comment about you, or editing, or anything. You had a few other errors that I didn't point out. That one is very important and whether you meant it or not, it was there and I thought it's a point to always make. There's really no need for you to get defensive about it.

I know you feel strongly about a collective sense of responsibility for the war, and that you want to make that point because it's important to you.

However, I'm not on that page with you.


I wish you were. We didn't riot in 2000. We didn't strike in 2002 and 2003. We didn't challenge Ohio in 2004, instead expressing our disgust that Kerry didn't. We paid taxes. We are in a democracy.

Like it or not, your government is killing in your name and you and I and everybody here, not just Bush supporters are responsible. If you don't accept that, then what responsibility do you have at all? Why bother voting when THEY won't listen? We can always wash our hands if we work hard enough to justify our inaction.

The only way to change the course is to admit our culpability and transform ourselves. That includes in terms of consumerism and our impact on the environment.

Obviously nothing is going to happen overnight, but we must start with some self-awareness. People here wonder all the time how the Germans let Nazism happen. Now we know...


GravatarWhite "chocolate" isn't really chocolate.


GravatarOur party could be 100% united, but Obama wants what he wants and he wants it NOW.
In a saner time, the fresh-faced newcomer would work to help the leading Democrat win,
but Obama feels like he's the most qualified person in the country to lead the planet.


...and they accuse Hillary of chutzpa?

http://www.bartcop.com/


GravatarOur party could be 100% united, but Obama wants what he wants and he wants it NOW.
In a saner time, the fresh-faced newcomer would work to help the leading Democrat win,
but Obama feels like he's the most qualified person in the country to lead the planet.


...and they accuse Hillary of chutzpa?

http://www.bartcop.com/


GravatarWhite Chocolate has Cocoa butter, but no cocoa mass. It's chocolate grease, without the flavorsome
dregs.


GravatarYou notice when Hillary backed the flagburning amendment proposal, it took the topic away from the GOP arsenal.

Nice bit of reverse spin engineering on her part...
Mr.Murder


Great Idea! Maybe she should back a ban on partial-birth abortion, too? Drilling in ANWR?


GravatarNPRs national shows don't bother nearly as much as other news venues with a national audience. They're not perfect, and they don't lean nearly as much to the left as they are accused of, but they are a pretty good source for news.


Gravatarlimbaugh put up the picture of mccain, giuliani, and schwartzenegger together, calling them "three liberals"

Oxy, Con and Tin


GravatarUnfortunately, at this time, Bush doesn't listen to reason, or to the DFH.

I'm not talking about that asshole. Nothing will happen until he's gone.

Frustrating as that is.


GravatarUnfortunately, at this time, Bush doesn't listen to reason, or to the DFH.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 02.02.08 - 5:11 pm | #


Nor will he ever, and the rest of the world has noticed.


GravatarGreat Idea! Maybe she should back a ban on partial-birth abortion, too? Drilling in ANWR?
jac | 02.02.08 - 5:14 pm | #

Shh. Don't give her any ideas!


GravatarThanks for the recipe, Doug. I have saved it.


GravatarI fucking cuss too fucking much.
Snow


Oh, c'mon. No such thing. That's like saying "I drink too much" or "I smoke pot too much" or "I view sploshing videos too much"...

uh...perhaps I've revealed too much...


Gravatarthey still have a strong bias towards the received "conventional wisdom" worldview.

It's what political coverage has become. It's weird, because I can't imagine that anyone outside the journalists themselves really cares about the hidden strategic motives of politicians. Either they do the right thing by the people of this country, or they don't. Trying to read their minds about it is absurd.


GravatarIt already is. Between that and the lack of clearcut goals and any movement towards "success" (whatever that is), it shouldn't be difficult to get up there and say, "We're leaving."

On the contrary, I think politicians still find it difficult to do just that. And they will not say much less do it until they are compelled to.


Gravatar
A week?!

/looks down at chocolate-smudged keyboard
noblejoanie


My usually supportive husband severely harshed my buzz a couple of days ago by telling me he heard some Lancet study that says you shouldn't eat chocolate every day because it leaches calcium out of your bones.

I just googled it and couldn't find a reference, so I'm going to assume he's just being mean.


GravatarI don't think my comment was obnoxious. It's a prettying important fucking point.

My point is true as well.



Gravataruh...perhaps I've revealed too much...
Political Dropout, gone fishin | 02.02.08 - 5:15 pm | #


Or as a good friend of mine liked to say, "did I say that out loud?"


GravatarI thought it was carbonated cola that did the calcium-leaching thing.

Or something like that.


Gravataror will the big boys have to tell you how to vote in exchange for other favors?

What did Jessie Unruh say?


GravatarHillary is yesterday's hash-browns. Too bad, but there it is. For all the indignities women have suffered, slaves suffered more; and healing that breach is ultimately more important.


GravatarMy usually supportive husband severely harshed my buzz a couple of days ago by telling me he heard some Lancet study that says you shouldn't eat chocolate every day because it leaches calcium out of your bones.

I just googled it and couldn't find a reference, so I'm going to assume he's just being mean.


Just eat milk chocolate with a caramel filling once in a while.


GravatarUnfortunately, at this time, Bush doesn't listen to reason, or to the DFH.

There's also Congress.

And one DFH alone? Not much power. But the more people who get out and act, the more who will see they have the same power and responsibility. Cindy Sheehan didn't say, "oh, fuck it, Bush won't listen to me. Why won't somebody else hold vigil?"

And she, BTW, accepts that she is in part responsible for her son's death.


Gravatarlimbaugh put up the picture of mccain, giuliani, and schwartzenegger together, calling them "three liberals"

Oxy, Con and Tin
juan no no nsense


Brill.



GravatarNPRs national shows don't bother nearly as much as other news venues with a national audience.

I want to finish my life never again hearing some fucking stupid ethnic calptrap blown out the arsehole of Susan Stamberg.


GravatarI don't smoke, drink or cuss.

(pats shirt pocket)


Goddamn, I left my cigarettes in the bar!
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GravatarWe can kick and scream now, but we get out of the war when we elect a Democrat president and not before.


Gravatarit shouldn't be difficult to get up there and say, "We're leaving."

On the contrary, I think politicians still find it difficult to do just that.


John Murtha. Dennis Kucinich. Russ Feingold.

Just to name a few who have.


GravatarPlease, I don't want to here any more fucking points. I'm rounded, myself.


GravatarOur party could be 100% united, but Obama wants what he wants and he wants it NOW.
In a saner time, the fresh-faced newcomer would work to help the leading Democrat win,
but Obama feels like he's the most qualified person in the country to lead the planet.


...and they accuse Hillary of chutzpa?

http://www.bartcop.com/
Bugs | 02.02.08 - 5:13 pm | #


What a bunch of drivel. Welcome to Democracy.


GravatarWhite "chocolate" isn't really chocolate.
Bjorn,a poor young country boi


White "chocolate" is of Satan.


GravatarAnd one DFH alone? Not much power. But the more people who get out and act, the more who will see they have the same power and responsibility. Cindy Sheehan didn't say, "oh, fuck it, Bush won't listen to me. Why won't somebody else hold vigil?"

And she, BTW, accepts that she is in part responsible for her son's death.
NTodd, Thread Führer | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 5:17 pm | #


Cindy Sheehan's righteousness (and I am not being sarcastic in the slightest) just breaks my heart and inspires me at the same time.


GravatarWe can kick and scream now, but we get out of the war when we elect a Democrat president and not before.

Only if we light a fire now. You need kindling...


GravatarNTodd, before I fly out the door. I did see your comment.

I just want you to know that I was one of the few who DID protest before the war. In many ways, including standing out in the cold and large signs in my front window (which brought paintballs and iceballs, etc.). All I'm sayin' is that I did try, and I will still try.

I get this scenario. But I gotta go, because I have plans.

Peace. We'll talk later.


GravatarHillary is yesterday's hash-browns. Too bad, but there it is. For all the indignities women have suffered, slaves suffered more; and healing that breach is ultimately more important.

There were only men slaves?


Gravatar HOW HILLARY STOLE NEW HAMPSHIRE


GravatarThe Continuing Adventures of Rudy & Judi: Part X -- The End.


GravatarAnd they will not say much less do it until they are compelled to.

Like they were compelled before?

It's over. The military is hurtin', Iraq is no closer to democracy than it was in 2003, it's costing us money we don't have, and the world no longer supports us.

To say nothing of the horror we continue to cause over there on a daily basis.

It's past time.


GravatarObama isn't descended from slaves any more than I am.


GravatarI have years of local campaign experience and will be willing to help any Atriots however I can.


GravatarThere were only men slaves?

Don't forget the children.


GravatarThere were only men slaves?
Echidne | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 5:19 pm | #


now now Echidne.
I love your posts (and artwork btw) but that is just............


too clever by half.


GravatarOnly if we light a fire now. You need kindling...
NTodd, Thread Führer


The convention will send a message.

GOTV will send a message.

Hillary is a DFH. She will respond.


GravatarDark chocolate Raisinets can be judiciously folded into chocolate chip cookie dough, espcially when the chips are mixed bitter and semi-sweet.
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GravatarOf course not, Echidne -- and thank you --, but to my mind the race wars trump the gender wars.


GravatarArthur didn't like Angel?

That is so sad.


Gravatar"i can't run (this is merely wimping out) becuz they'll find out that i have smoked up the weed output of two mexican states and a county in california in my time"

same here, but it was more then weed...


GravatarHillary is yesterday's hash-browns. Too bad, but there it is. For all the indignities women have suffered, slaves suffered more; and healing that breach is ultimately more important.
plantsman | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 5:17 pm | #


Christ almighty....this election is not about whether women or blacks have suffered more at the hands of the man!


GravatarHokey smokes - BartCop!

Did websites really used to look like that???


GravatarHOW HILLARY STOLE NEW HAMPSHIRE
Tommy Two Torque | 02.02.08 - 5:19 pm | #


I call alliteration


Gravatar"That is so sad."

aw, shit...


GravatarKatha Pollitt has an excellent column on that oppression olympics thing in the Nation magazine.


GravatarChrist almighty....this election is not about whether women or blacks have suffered more at the hands of the man!
Shared Humanity | 02.02.08 - 5:21 pm | #


who has suffered more:
narcoleptics or insomniacs?

THIS super tuesday.......YOU decide!


GravatarWell, I don't know for sure, I was asking.


GravatarIf you're bored, the debate transcript from last night is up...

-Thers


Heh. I got a shout-out just as I got a phone call.


GravatarNewpapers have never bee "free", they have always danced to the tune of their owners to some extent. After Vietnam and before Watergate even, certain conservatives decided that they needed to own media and control the message because they didn't like the message at that time. Media, CBS in particular was deeply hated, was blamed for losing Vietnam.


GravatarHillary is a DFH. She will respond.
Gomez | 02.02.08 - 5:21 pm | #

no she's not.
bill didn't inhale.


GravatarObama isn't descended from slaves any more than I am.

There's that, yes.

But we are not supporting a candidate based on how much past suffering he or she represents. At least I am not. They are both thousands of leagues better than the clowns who occupy the white house at the moment, and I will happily get behind either one of them. Hillary's gender and Barack Obama's skin hue are interesting, but not the reason for my vote.


GravatarChrist almighty....this election is not about whether women or blacks have suffered more at the hands of the man!

Perhaps not, but it is an historic opportunity to broaden the human family.


GravatarI'll be out for while. Call if you need me.
.


Gravatarno she's not.
bill didn't inhale.
juan no no nsense


But Hillary did.


GravatarSome interesting robots, some inspired by animal forms, except for the last which is the best IMHO.
http://blog.makezine.com/archive...TC- 0D6B48984890


GravatarDid websites really used to look like that???
dave™©


Used to? You've obviously never been to a MySpace page.


Gravatarsame here, but it was more then weed...
jdw


Uh, yeah. And I have a long history of Very Bad Behavior, although I've managed to keep it out of the papers (and the jail).

Not a prayer.


Gravatarmaking porkchops smothered in onion gravy. I will go on a diet tomorrow.


GravatarMy usually supportive husband severely harshed my buzz a couple of days ago by telling me he heard some Lancet study that says you shouldn't eat chocolate every day because it leaches calcium out of your bones.

I just googled it and couldn't find a reference, so I'm going to assume he's just being mean.
V for Virginia | 02.02.08 - 5:16 pm |



Looking at pubmed results for choclate and calcium brings up this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ pubm...Pubmed_RVDocSum


GravatarArthur didn't like Angel?

That is so sad.


Oh, that's too bad!! Not unexpected, but too bad.

She's a cutie. Hope someone else takes her that will love and care for her as much.


GravatarBut Hillary did.
Gomez | 02.02.08 - 5:24 pm | #


i really doubt that.
she was climbing the wallmart ladder.


GravatarMy friends, I really hate the guy on the TB.


GravatarI just hope that cleaning up my cum stains in the Oral Office isn't one of my "First Gentleman's" duties. HAHA


GravatarHillary is yesterday's hash-browns. Too bad, but there it is. For all the indignities women have suffered, slaves suffered more; and healing that breach is ultimately more important.

Why yes, let's compare the various ills people have suffered! By that token, shouldn't Lieberman be president because of the Holocaust?


GravatarAmazingly good pro-Obama speech-music composite, with Scarlett Johansson, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and a bunch of people I'd recognize if I was cooler.

http://www.dipdive.com/


Gravatarmaking porkchops smothered in onion gravy.

Yum! you got leftovers?


GravatarTrifecta! You were being namestolen earlier ( I think. )


GravatarI don't think the majority of the people here were descended from people who were bought and sold like a piece of farm machinery. I wasn't.


Gravatari have ten minutes to shower, dress and leave.

stop being interesting.


GravatarHillary is yesterday's hash-browns. Too bad, but there it is. For all the indignities women have suffered, slaves suffered more; and healing that breach is ultimately more important.

To whom?

John Murtha. Dennis Kucinich. Russ Feingold.
Just to name a few who have.

Yes, which supports my point. Only a few have. Some of course don't want to get the U.S. out of Iraq entirely. I'm not sure where Obama or Clinton will land in relation to that point. I don't think either will change foreign policy substantively unless pushed too, though.


Gravatarand Herbie Hancock

Wow, choked me right up

http://www.dipdive.com/


GravatarHaving worked for a small community paper that was bought out by a national chain, I gotta say, the chain manager were dopes but they were an order of magnitude less dopey than the local amateurs.


Gravatarmy irish ancestors were hunted like dogs by the british.

i have dibs on sec. of state.


GravatarOh, NTodd - you're so much better than everyone; but you still can't sustain a relationship with a human. STFU.


GravatarWhy yes, let's compare the various ills people have suffered! By that token, shouldn't Lieberman be president because of the Holocaust?

I survived the sinking of the Andrea Doria.


GravatarAmazingly good pro-Obama speech-music composite...

Yeah, yeah... we saw it already. All the kidz are "jiggy" with it.


GravatarMcCain is on teevee saying the army, navy, air force and marines are all too small.

Says Time magazine hates America for making Putin Man of the Year.

Says unlike Chicken George he will get Osama bin Laden.

Says soldiers re enlisted to fight to the freedom of the Iraqi people, and we had to support the surge or we would have let the young re-enlistees down who decided and I quote, not to "lay down their sword and shield"

His entire campaign is war, war, war


GravatarI don't think the majority of the people here were descended from people who were bought and sold like a piece of farm machinery. I wasn't.

If you go far enough in history you might be surprised by the answer you get. Slavery used to be fairly common.


GravatarHillary is yesterday's hash-browns. Too bad, but there it is. For all the indignities women have suffered, slaves suffered more; and healing that breach is ultimately more important.
plantsman


Oh, so to hell with women?

Nice!


Gravatar" And I have a long history of Very Bad Behavior,"

wanna make some more history?



Gravatarwow! I'm never namestolen.


GravatarThe convention will send a message.

GOTV will send a message.

Hillary is a DFH. She will respond.


And keeping pressure on her and Congress now will only ensure that. She's not really a DFH, and her statements and votes on the war do not make me sanguine.


GravatarAfternoon all. This is off whatever topic we're on here, but I'm mad enough to want to share it...

Last night on the NBC Nightly News, Williams handed the story of Exxon Mobile's gazillion-dollar profits to a tweak from CNBC with the toss line "people see this huge profits and see the price at the pump. Don't they have the right to be mad?"

Oh, no, said the cocksucker from CNBC. Exxon-Mobil's gone through some rough times and now they're going through some good times. NO reason to be mad.

Now, that's not a direct quote, but damn close, and I want to know when Exxon-Mobil's bad times were. Not in my lifetime. Oh, maybe when they crashed their boat and ruined half of the Alaskan coast. Other than that, I can't think of a thing.

Bastards.


Gravatar"That is so sad."

aw, shit...


It's okay. Angel will find her forever home with someone else and Arthur will not be upset by my caring about someone besides him. Things work out.


GravatarI survived the sinking of the Andrea Doria.
SteveNS


Serious or kidding? My beau is very interested in that wreck.


GravatarOh, NTodd - you're so much better than everyone; but you still can't sustain a relationship with a human.

You know, you sound more and more like incog every fucking minute.

Goom-bye!


GravatarAlso!  Arthur got THREE NEW SQUEAKY TOYS.  And a really swell new bowl setup.


GravatarAmazingly good pro-Obama speech-music composite...

***********


there is a lot of energy at these obama gatherings.his wife gave a speech at dartmouth and the youtube clip was just buzzing with .........something hard to describe.


GravatarNo, Terry C, not that -- you know me better.


GravatarSome interesting robots

Coo
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GravatarHigher frequency of chocolate consumption was linearly related to lower bone density and strength (P < 0.05). Daily (>/=1 times/d) consumption of chocolate, in comparison to


GravatarI call alliteration
juan no no nsense | 02.02.08 - 5:22 pm | #


Had Hillary hounded half as many haves as have nots she would hopefully have helped heal the horrible rift harming the halls of government.


GravatarIf you go far enough in history you might be surprised by the answer you get. Slavery used to be fairly common.


Who enslaved the Finnish? Or my heritage, the Swiss?


Gravatarmy wife just opened a letter adressed in her father's name for whole guaranteed life insurance.

her dad has been dead since 1971.


GravatarI want to know when Exxon-Mobil's bad times were. Not in my lifetime. Oh, maybe when they crashed their boat and ruined half of the Alaskan coast.

I think that was probably more of a bad time for Prince William Sound.


GravatarHis entire campaign is war, war, war
Culture of TrÜth


As I said early today, I think the more McCain campaigns the less people will like him. He's a crazy, bitter old warmonger these days. No more fake Mr. Nice Guy.


GravatarYou know, you sound more and more like incog every fucking minute.

Yep.


GravatarPresident 42 dick-dick boy


What are you? 13 years old?


GravatarYou know, trademark dave, so do you......


GravatarCNN shows full McCain speech.

CNN tries to show Obama speech but has technical difficulties.

Hmmm....


GravatarNow, that's not a direct quote, but damn close, and I want to know when Exxon-Mobil's bad times were. Not in my lifetime. Oh, maybe when they crashed their boat and ruined half of the Alaskan coast. Other than that, I can't think of a thing.

Bastards.


Glenn, my local public radio station has a business half hour every night, in which all things are viewed from the point of view of your local capitalists. There is nothing similar for labor. Yet all this looks quite natural to me, most days. Shows the power of the framing.


GravatarOh, so to hell with women?

Nice!
Terry C - HATES Republicans



hey, you 'chicks' already got your own cigarettes (Virginia slims) so what else could you *possibly* want?


GravatarOh, NTodd - you're so much better than everyone; but you still can't sustain a relationship with a human.

You know, you sound more and more like incog every fucking minute.

Goom-bye!
dave™©


That wasn't nice what he said to NTodd.


GravatarI just want you to know that I was one of the few who DID protest before the war.

And somehow that wasn't enough...


GravatarFuck you. pie. Good night. That did not remotely sound like Incog. As a victim of his abuse, I can assure you of that.


GravatarI'm fucking Matt Damon


GravatarHad Hillary hounded half as many haves as have nots she would hopefully have helped heal the horrible rift harming the halls of government.
Shared Humanity | 02.02.08 - 5:29 pm | #


Harrumph!!!


GravatarShe's not really a DFH, and her statements and votes on the war do not make me sanguine.

She knows she fucked up. She just can't say that because she will get crucified.

But she will end it just a fast as Obama will. She doesn't want to own it.


Gravatar we had to support the surge or we would have let the young re-enlistees down who decided and I quote, not to "lay down their sword and shield"

Death to ploughshares!


GravatarOh, haloscan doesn't like all those "


GravatarAnd somehow that wasn't enough...

You're being a real dick today too, you know.


Gravatar"You know, you sound more and more like incog every fucking minute."

shut up you fucking stinkass hetero puke bacteria.

anyone want some soup?


GravatarI survived the sinking of the Andrea Doria.

I survived a plundering by Andrea Dworkin.


GravatarI survived the sinking of the Andrea Doria.
SteveNS



cooo-stan-za!


GravatarSerious or kidding? My beau is very interested in that wreck.
Marcellina


Kidding.

I was alluding to an episode of Seinfeld, where George was going to be denied a chance to upgrade his apartment because it was going to go instead to a tenant who'd survived the Andrea Doria.

Jerry reminded George that nobody could compare their sob stories with George's, so he then went to the tenants' association and gave them a rundown of his godawful existence.

It was darn funny.


GravatarWho enslaved the Finnish? Or my heritage, the Swiss?

The Finns enslaved the Lapps at one point and later there was something very like the serfdom system in operation. I don't know enough about the Swiss to tell you, but I do know that at one point the Irish bought English slaves and later it was reversed.


GravatarOh, NTodd - you're so much better than everyone;

Wow, way to totally mischaracterize what I've said.

but you still can't sustain a relationship with a human.

That's so sweet.

You know, you sound more and more like incog every fucking minute.

Not really. But if that helps you feel better, please continue to think so.


GravatarObama is subdued, tired. Must be an exhausting thing to do.


GravatarI love it when you say corpsemeat. I had a (totally unnecessary) aortic angiogram four years ago and they plugged my groin incision with a hunk of former human. It works really well, but it's weird having a piece of cadaver in your leg. I wonder if it was a voluntary donation.


GravatarYet all this looks quite natural to me, most days. Shows the power of the framing.
Echidne


Oh, I know; you're right. But seeing an apologist for oil companies perform symbolic fellatio on the national news was just over the top for me. I was furious all night, and hey, it was the first night in four days we had electricity. Made me wonder why I bother to watch the news anymore. 'Cept I'm a journalist, of course, so there's that.


GravatarThat did not remotely sound like Incog.

Unfortunately, it did.

I'm not sure what's going on with you. Hope you feel better soon.


GravatarObama now singing praises of Paul Wellstone


GravatarTrail of Tears on one side, running from the Cossacks on the other! 

Can I haz Department of Agriculture?


GravatarThanks, SteveNS. I am sadly out of the loop with that stuff.


Gravatarwell, FUCK.

Anyway, I am not happy about this chocolate news, not one bit.

I probably eat 4 to 6 ounces of chocolate a week, but it's pretty much a daily deal.

Shit.


GravatarWho enslaved the Finnish?
Ralphie | 02.02.08 - 5:30 pm | #


the swedes. in the 19th century, finns had to speak swedishto get a college education. the guy who wrote down the finnish folk tale heritage in his book the Kalevela had to speak swedish to get a desk job

.


GravatarHOW HILLARY STOLE NEW HAMPSHIRE
Tommy Two Torque



(Rolls eyes)


GravatarThis personal shit has got to stop.

Argue the issues not the person.


Gravatarmichelle obama kicking ass on cspan!!!


GravatarReaders interested in the illegal trade in tissue, bone and other valuable body parts should check out Annie Cheney's terrific book on the subject, "The Body Brokers:Inside America's Underground Trade in Human Remains" (available at the usual online outlets)... I read it last year and I just could not believe what some people get up to when they're given the charge of human remains as part of their occupation.


GravatarAnd somehow that wasn't enough...

You're being a real dick today too, you know.


How is that being a dick? I'm noting that we, collectively, didn't do enough. You want proof? There's still a fucking war on.

We need to do more, and accept that electing people is only part of it.

Jesus fucking christ, there's no need to attack me personally on this shit. Really.


GravatarAlso, slavery became illegal in Saudi Arabia only about sixty years ago. There are still slaves in Sudan.


Gravatarokay, so that doesn't amount to the swedes actually enslaving the finns

but slavery was common in the ancient world - there were a lot of slaves in the roman, greek, and judean cultures

.


GravatarNow, that's not a direct quote, but damn close, and I want to know when Exxon-Mobil's bad times were. Not in my lifetime. Oh, maybe when they crashed their boat and ruined half of the Alaskan coast. Other than that, I can't think of a thing.

There was a period when the Exxon-Mobile BOD had to suffer through having only a single hooker and two bottles of booze a night. Those were VERY rought times.


GravatarReaders interested in the illegal trade in tissue, bone and other valuable body parts should check out Annie Cheney's terrific book on the subject

Or we could ask that guy who was just arrested for doing it.


Gravatarhey, you 'chicks' already got your own cigarettes (Virginia slims) so what else could you *possibly* want?
juan no no nsense


To be able to put some lit ones out on Bush and Cheney?



GravatarThis personal shit has got to stop.

Argue the issues not the person.
Gomez | 02.02.08 - 5:34 pm | #



100% agreed. dead on.
****************************

michelle obama kicking ass on cspan!!!
jdw | 02.02.08 - 5:34 pm | #


there's something happening here.


Gravatar"I probably eat 4 to 6 ounces of chocolate a week, but it's pretty much a daily deal."

keep eating. life quality is more then length...


GravatarHow Republicans look out for Americans:
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/ 2...__300x395,0.jpg
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Gravatarmy wife just opened a letter adressed in her father's name for whole guaranteed life insurance.

her dad has been dead since 1971.
jdw


About a month after my step-father died I got a piece of mail addressed to him that said, "It's not too late to get inexpensive life insurance!"

Made me LOL.


GravatarAnd in some systems brides really were bought and sold and had pretty much the same rights as slaves, which is none.


GravatarI'm fucking Matt Damon

I'm fucking Peter Graves for Biography.


GravatarGo Giants!

Eli's Comin'!


GravatarWho enslaved the Finnish? Or my heritage, the Swiss?
Ralphie | 02.02.08 - 5:30 pm |


The swiss have been enslaved by the gnomes.

The Finns have been under the thumb of the Swedes and the Russians.


GravatarAlso, slavery became illegal in Saudi Arabia only about sixty years ago. There are still slaves in Sudan.


I strongly suspect that it's "wink-wink-nudge-nudge" emancipation in the shithole that is Saudi Arabia. Land of most of the 9-11 hijackers.


Gravataroddly i find myself suddenly interested in the illegal trade of bone, tissues, and organs......



and on that note: goodnight and good luck.


GravatarThen its a good thing she voted for bomb bomb Iran Kyl-Lieberman.
Bjorn,a poor young country boi


After which the most conciliatory gesture yet made by Iran occurred.

so long as it would accompany something re:Palestenian Apartheid, I'd be all for raising the bar...


Gravatarmichelle obama kicking ass on cspan!!!
jdw


Are they showing that Delaware State Speech from the other day, or is this a new one?

I've seen whole speeches of hers on at least three occasions, and she freakin' rocks my world.


GravatarI have not been around here long enough to know the cycles of disharmony that occur on the threads.
Is it really the stress of the primaries? Does this sort of thing happen on a regular basis through the year? Or is this something new?


Gravatarmichelle obama kicking ass on cspan!!!
jdw


There was an "interview" with her last night on CNN by Soledad Obrien. That's why I put the word "interview" in quotes, though she was better than Barbara Walters or Larry King.

Point is Michelle Obama was impressive there, too. Bright, forthcoming and and honest. A refreshing combination.


GravatarReaders interested in the illegal trade in tissue, bone and other valuable body parts should check out Annie Cheney's terrific book on the subject, "The Body Brokers:Inside America's Underground Trade in Human Remains" (available at the usual online outlets)... I read it last year and I just could not believe what some people get up to when they're given the charge of human remains as part of their occupation.
wÒÓ†


That's exactly the kind of weird shit I read.


GravatarAbout a month after my step-father died I got a piece of mail addressed to him that said, "It's not too late to get inexpensive life insurance!"

Made me LOL.


I got a letter in my great-uncle's name, ten years after he died, from a local health club. It offered money back if six months of enrollment didn't make you feel better.


Gravatar"Argue the issues not the person.
Gomez "

right on, you pittshit buttmunch.


GravatarAbout a month after my step-father died I got a piece of mail addressed to him that said, "It's not too late to get inexpensive life insurance!"

Three days after Mom died, Dad got a call from the SSA saying her disability was finally approved after 18 months of hassle.


GravatarI don't care, I'm going to keep eating chocolate until I develop hollow, bird-like bones.

Then this feather-adorned tracksuit will be all I need to get airborne.

My enemies will soon be sorry.


Gravatarbarack being really funny on the stump imitating people who shake his hand and then whisper "barack - i'm a republican"

.


GravatarReaders interested in the illegal trade in tissue, bone and other valuable body parts

Dirty Pretty Things

For all the indignities women have suffered, slaves suffered more; and healing that breach is ultimately more important.

Are my choices 40 acres and a mule or Barack Obama? Then the slavery breach is healed?


GravatarReaders interested in the illegal trade in tissue, bone and other valuable body parts should check out Annie Cheney's terrific book on the subject

I haven't read the book, but I saw her appearance at a bookstore on CSPAN Book TV and it was riveting. Couldn't turn it off, no matter how creepy things got.


Gravatar"Are they showing that Delaware State Speech from the other day, or is this a new one?"

dunno. it says 'thursday'.


GravatarI'm happy with either Clinton or Obama. But if Barack is the one who can turn the kids on to politics, reality, and the value of a functional government, then Bring Him On.

(So who else was in that video that I should have recognized? Was Jack Johnson the guitarist with the funny ears?)


GravatarI have not been around here long enough to know the cycles of disharmony that occur on the threads.
Is it really the stress of the primaries? Does this sort of thing happen on a regular basis through the year? Or is this something new?


It's new, at least within the time span I remember about. Probably because this is the first time when it matters?


GravatarEchidne, I defer to your better knowledge of history. Slavery was in the bible. I don't know why common religious people would have a belief in that, but what the hell, they did.


Gravatarright on, you pittshit buttmunch.
jdw


How's the birthday going?


Gravatarbarack being really funny on the stump imitating people who shake his hand and then whisper "barack - i'm a republican"

Somebody has a story up, I think it might be MSNBC, about Ike's granddaughter, a life-long Republican who runs a consulting service for Republican candidates, announcing that she's an Obama supporter.


GravatarI would like the young to get interested in politics in general, not just in Obama. I hope that it can spread, because it's tricky if it's only one person who is spreading the interest.


GravatarOr is this something new?
Marcellina


I don't remember things being this ugly in 2004. There have always been and will always be flareups, especially between particular individuals, but this generalized low-grade pissiness is something I haven't seen before.


GravatarRomney mocking McCain's stupidity and senility.


Gravatar I think it might be MSNBC, about Ike's granddaughter, a life-long Republican

Not surprising. This isn't her grandfather's party.

He'd probably be a dem these days.


Gravatar" Does this sort of thing happen on a regular basis through the year?"

i think so.


GravatarOh, NTodd - you're so much better than everyone; but you still can't sustain a relationship with a human.
plantsman


Hi, plantsman. I heard over lunch from an unusually reliable source (well, two actually) that NTodd is doing just fine in that department.

I wish both of you well.


Gravatarwell, FUCK.

Anyway, I am not happy about this chocolate news, not one bit.

I probably eat 4 to 6 ounces of chocolate a week, but it's pretty much a daily deal.

Shit.
V for Virginia | 02.02.08 - 5:34 pm


Calcium supplements.

But I'll ask one of the docs at work to 'interpret' it for me.

also, the women were 70-85.


GravatarRalphie, the point about slavery in no way reduces the fact that it was the blacks who were enslaved here most recently and that it is this memory which works in the culture.


Gravatar"Are they showing that Delaware State Speech from the other day, or is this a new one?"

dunno. it says 'thursday'.
jdw


That's the one!

Enjoy. It just gets better and better.


GravatarRomney: McCain- Feingold allowed George Soros to take over America.


Gravatar"Romney mocking McCain's stupidity and senility."

hit cspan for mchelle...this is fucking awesome.


GravatarFun with Sitemeter:

I really don't want to know why anyone would do a Google search for "people doing animals," but I just have to say that I am not at all surprised that this person was from Pasadena, Texas.

And no, they did not get satisfaction at my blog.


GravatarI don't remember things being this ugly in 2004.

Only with repub trolls or people like Elias. Not with each other so much, although the race wasn't this tight at this point.


GravatarSouthern Beale, imagine what kind of queries a snake blog gets...


GravatarMcCain- Feingold allowed George Soros to take over America.

Soros The Mightiful


GravatarI'm sick and I have lost my voice - it is cause for celebration for certain people.


GravatarRomney: McCain- Feingold allowed George Soros to take over America.

Willard really is a doofus.


GravatarPoint is Michelle Obama was impressive there, too. Bright, forthcoming and and honest. A refreshing combination.
Glenn


Both Michelle and her brother Craig are Princeton grads; Craig is the Brown U. basketball coach. I know them both (but I hasten to add that I haven't spoken to either in seven or eight years.)

Craig was the basketball coach at my high school but there was a union issue and he lost the job. Our serious loss and Brown's gain.


GravatarI wonder if this place will be more hostile in general after the election -- assuming a Democratic win.

without the shared enemy of the Bush administration and a Republican Congress, there are bound to be a lot more opportunities for disagreement.

I hope it doesn't deteriorate into rampant ugliness, but the recent trends are kinda discouraging.


GravatarI just took a test as to what candidate I should vote for.

Ten questions.

I agreed with both Clinton and Obama on seven points and disagreed on three.


GravatarThree days after Mom died, Dad got a call from the SSA saying her disability was finally approved after 18 months of hassle.
NTodd, Thread Führer


Yeah, not so funny.


GravatarIs it really the stress of the primaries? Does this sort of thing happen on a regular basis through the year? Or is this something new?

I think the intense feelings for candidates was just as common in 2004, but the difference this year is how long it's taking to pick a nominee. In 2004 it was pretty much decided by New Hampshire.

Another wrinkle is this time the presidency is up for grabs, so there's a greater feeling that the brass ring can be won.


GravatarOh, NTodd - you're so much better than everyone; but you still can't sustain a relationship with a human.

Am I the only one who thinks this sounds an awful lot like someone else?

There's been lots of namestealing going on. Just sayin'.


GravatarThree days after Mom died, Dad got a call from the SSA saying her disability was finally approved after 18 months of hassle.
NTodd, Thread Führer




Sad....and an outrage.


Gravatarthis is fucking awesome.
jdw


If everybody watched that speech, start to finish, I don't think the race would be very close very much longer.

And yeah, I know she isn't the candidate, but if he gets nominated/elected, she will matter.


GravatarNTodd is fucking Matt Damon

(That Sarah Silverman thing is so fucking funny)


GravatarMichelle Obama is a great public speaker. Kind of a shame she's not running for prez.


GravatarI have not been around here long enough to know the cycles of disharmony that occur on the threads. Is it really the stress of the primaries? Does this sort of thing happen on a regular basis through the year? Or is this something new? Marcellina

As the great philosopher Homer says, everyone is stupid except me.


GravatarRalphie, the point about slavery in no way reduces the fact that it was the blacks who were enslaved here most recently and that it is this memory which works in the culture.


I agree, thank you for your good thoughts and especially for your insight.


GravatarHistorically speaking movements always break at some point into lots of smaller movements. I hope this one isn't breaking yet.


GravatarWhen you recieve your Economic Stimulus Package from the gov't, Don't put it all in your gas tank, save some for a chinese good or two


GravatarWait, damn, 2004? I've been spending time with you lot for four years? I need to accomplish something...


Gravatarmwah, Ralphie.

We need more kissing on these threads.


GravatarThere's been lots of namestealing going on. Just sayin'.

I think that's part of it, which is why I like gravatars.


GravatarRomney: McCain- Feingold allowed George Soros to take over America.



The test I mentioned above?

I disagreed with that asshole on all ten points.


Gravatarhit cspan for mchelle...this is fucking awesome.
jdw
nks for the tip.

I'd let her hit me.


GravatarI'm fucking Matt Damon

LUCKY!

[/Napoleon Dynamite]


GravatarPoint is Michelle Obama was impressive there, too. Bright, forthcoming and and honest. A refreshing combination.

Okay, but if Obama wins and she decides to run after he leaves office, I want to hear the same whining about "but but but it would be a dynasty."

And why isn't she running now, pray tell?


GravatarRomney: McCain- Feingold allowed George Soros to take over America.
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 5:44 pm | #


It's true. This incredibly shitty blog is all because of Soros. And Chevron too, I guess.


GravatarMichelle Obama is a great public speaker. Kind of a shame she's not running for prez.
TheOtherWA


Of course, it's a great advantage not being the one who's actually running, in terms of being able to speak your mind.

But, yeah... her husband is a good public speaker but she's in another league as far as I can see.


Gravatar"Michelle Obama is a great public speaker. Kind of a shame she's not running for prez."

damn, this is so inspirational. tonic for my jaded soul...


GravatarRomney: McCain- Feingold allowed George Soros to take over America.

YAY! Soros checks for everyone!!!


GravatarAm I the only one who thinks this sounds an awful lot like someone else?

Nope. Been there, done that, got the killfile to prove it.


GravatarIke's granddaughter, a life-long Republican who runs a consulting service for Republican candidates, announcing that she's an Obama supporter.

"Is Paul Volcker the new Robert Rubin? Is it possible that Mr. Volcker is somehow tutoring Obama? Is it possible that Obama is more financially conservative than originally believed?

Meanwhile, according to all the latest polling data, Obama is surging ahead with a full head of steam on Hillary. So we’re talking about a possible President here. This is a stock market story. It’s a bond market story. All for the very simple reason that we could be looking at the next President of the United States." - Larry Kudlow

http://kudlowsmoneypolitics.blog...bert- rubin.html

Tell me this doesn't give you the heebie-jeebies.
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GravatarI think RFK was my idea of a sexy-looking man. Nothing to do with who he was, just the way he looked.


GravatarHistorically speaking movements always break at some point into lots of smaller movements. I hope this one isn't breaking yet

Which movement? (I'm not being sarcastic and apologize if the question comes across as rude.)


GravatarPeople are people.

They're going to disagree from time to time.


GravatarOkay, but if Obama wins and she decides to run after he leaves office, I want to hear the same whining about "but but but it would be a dynasty."

You will.


GravatarHarvard Law grad.

Damm, she really is impressive.


GravatarI hope that it can spread, because it's tricky if it's only one person who is spreading the interest.
Echidne


Very good point.


GravatarSouthern Beale, imagine what kind of queries a snake blog gets...

Oh my God, I never thought about that. You should post a "best of" list sometime.

Mostly my queries have to do with Beale Street and things related to the South. Very occasionally, Beale Air Force Base.

This "people doing animals" thing really threw me for a loop.


GravatarAvocados were expensive at the store. Only making a little guacamole for the game tomorrow.


GravatarI've been out all day, but I just want to say, belatedly, that the town I used to live in, Ocean Grove, NJ no longer will give permits to build street level garages. It's a historic Victorian town, so they were a particular eyesore.


GravatarWe need more kissing on these threads.

I don't do much kissing these days. I'm pretty old.


GravatarAm I the only one who thinks this sounds an awful lot like someone else?

Actually, it does sound like plantsman. He does like to dig into me from time to time. It's touching.

Sad....and an outrage.

Sad, certianly, but don't get outraged about it: SSA paid Dad all the back monies. And it is funny because we'd predicted it would happen that way--I was actually in Gorham, NH, taking my grandmother back to Maine when he called laughing, telling me the news.

Bureaucracy. Fucked up.

To their credit, the person on the other end of the phone sounded crestfallen, according to Dad...


GravatarWhich movement? (I'm not being sarcastic and apologize if the question comes across as rude.)

The dirty fucking hippies of the cyberspace.


GravatarAs the great philosopher Homer says, everyone is stupid except me.

I am so smart, S-M-R-T.


GravatarIke's granddaughter, a life-long Republican who runs a consulting service for Republican candidates, announcing that she's an Obama supporter.



General John's daughter?

IIRC, the general himself is no fan of Chimpy's.


GravatarOf course, it's a great advantage not being the one who's actually running, in terms of being able to speak your mind.

Excellent point, SteveLG. But someday, in the not too distant future, she better run for office. She's exactly the kind of leader this country needs.


GravatarOk, now I want to see a debate between Michelle and Bill.


GravatarAnd why isn't she running now, pray tell?

Maybe holding elective office isn't a goal of hers.


GravatarHistorically speaking movements always break at some point into lots of smaller movements.

My bowel movements often break into smaller pieces...


Gravatarif you are referring to me, Marcellina, that's not my style.

For NTodd, I prefer refinements of cruelty, while wearing my cap, uniform and stiletto heels and brandishing a whip


GravatarAnd why isn't she running now, pray tell?


Probably has something to do with the fact that their children are so young right now.


Gravatar"Damm, she really is impressive."

i wanna see the whole thing!!! hope they repeat..


Gravatar
We need more kissing on these threads.


[scampers around dressed like a giant blue bunny, kissing people and running away]


Gravatarjdw, (first of all, happy birthday!) it's great to hear someone having the same reaction to that speech I did... I turned over to it during the debate and that was it for the debate. Changing the channel back was out of the question.


GravatarA Republican for Obama? I can beat that. I once killed a guy named Obama and I'm for Obama.


GravatarThree days after Mom died, Dad got a call from the SSA saying her disability was finally approved after 18 months of hassle.
NTodd, Thread Führer | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 5:39 pm |


Dad also had 18 months of hassle, SSA said he wasn't 'sick enough'.

He died three months after getting approved.

I was discouraged from sending the death notice to the judge, with a note asking 'sick enough for you?'.


GravatarOkay, but if Obama wins and she decides to run after he leaves office, I want to hear the same whining about "but but but it would be a dynasty."




I thought that, too.


GravatarWe need more kissing on these threads.

Perhaps if the No Flirting! rule was revoked, tensions around here might dissipate ...


GravatarI don't do much kissing these days. I'm pretty old.


What's "old" have to do with it? Your lips still work, don't they?



GravatarSouthern Beale, imagine what kind of queries a snake blog gets...

Oh my God, I never thought about that. You should post a "best of" list sometime.


I actually copied a few for a while, but I haven't followed the sources recently. The cutest was "how do snakes go to the bathroom?, for which the answer is "by slithering". But most of them are about snakes inside vaginas and stuff like that.

There was one about old men wearing garter belts having sex with snakes, though.


GravatarYou're never to old for kissing.

Though I kissed some elderly matron at a funeral a couple of years ago and came away with some perfumed powder that I could taste hours afterwards. I wanted to hack and patooie, but such things aren't allowed in church.


GravatarPaul Volcker, who is damned tall, is also Princeton, as is John Rogers, head of Ariel Capital Management, a long-time Obama backer and hoops shootin' friend of his.

Saw Volcker at a Princeton reunion and he literally towered over the rest of his class in the P-Rade.

Dunno if Volcker is tutoring Obama in econ, but it would not be ridiculous were he doing so. There may also be Krugman-Obama links thru Old Nassau, but I think he was more of an Edwards guy.


GravatarThe dirty fucking hippies of the cyberspace.

Thanks. I guess I don't see the political internet as a mature movement yet. But I don't know that much about it.


GravatarAnd YAY, it finally dawned on me what I had to do to get my gravatar to post!

[gives self dope-slap]


GravatarOk, now I want to see a debate between Michelle and Bill.
Culture of TrÜth

But what about their favorite cookie recipe?


GravatarThere was one about old men wearing garter belts having sex with snakes, though.

"Garter" belts? Is that supposed to be a pun?



GravatarI'm off to make some lentil soup with smoked ham.

*MWAH!**MWAH!**MWAH!**MWAH!**MWAH!*


GravatarBut someday, in the not too distant future, she better run for office. She's exactly the kind of leader this country needs.
TheOtherWA


Although I'd love to see that, it may be that there's a better use for her talents than slogging along as a legislator somewhere.

Don't know what... I do think she would be a First Lady unlike any we've ever seen before (Hillary Clinton is a woman of great accomplishment but not my idea of an inspiring speaker). She has a really compelling story, rock-solid values, and real honest to goodness soul.


GravatarWhat's "old" have to do with it? Your lips still work, don't they?

It takes four lips to kiss.


GravatarI wanted to hack and patooie, but such things aren't allowed in church.

Depends on the church.


Gravatar[scampers around dressed like a giant blue bunny, kissing people and running away]

I like bunnies.


Gravatar I wanted to hack and patooie, but such things aren't allowed in church.
Gromit |


You need to find a new church.


GravatarC-SPAN now doing a book called "Gang Leader for a Day"

I wasn't aware Laura had written a new book.


Gravatar
I like bunnies.


Kinnnnnnnnnky!


GravatarI was discouraged from sending the death notice to the judge, with a note asking 'sick enough for you?'.

I would have encouraged you.


GravatarThanks. I guess I don't see the political internet as a mature movement yet. But I don't know that much about it.

Agree that it isn't mature yet, but the break points are times like this one where people battle each other for reasons that have to do with questions inside the movement. If those take over from the external battles then the movement tends to split and loses steam.


Gravatar"jdw, (first of all, happy birthday!) it's great to hear someone having the same reaction to that speech I did..."

thank you. i'm speechless. that was so beautiful.

gonna check cspan and see if it'll repeat.


GravatarHistorically speaking movements always break at some point into lots of smaller movements.

everybody on this blog is their own damn political movement

splitters!

or, as we hebrews say about ourselves, "if you have ten jews in the room, you'll get at least eleven opinions"

.


Gravatarwhat's up with sen. specter getting all up in the face on NFL commissioner cause the league destroyed the tapes the pats made of the giants practice?

I dont remember snarlin arlen getting even a fraction as disturbed over the rove rnc email factory at the WH or the loss of 18 months of email record/data tapes there, or the CIA destruction of the torture tapes.
doesnt he see how ridiculous this is?
you couldnt make this shit up!


GravatarOooh just saw this one over at ThinkProgress:

Boortz blames Katrina on ‘parasites’ in ‘New Orleans.’

On his nationally syndicated radio show this week, right-wing talker Neal Boortz attacked victims of Hurricane Katrina, saying that “the disaster that followed” was not “George Bush’s fault” because, in Boortz’ mind, “the primary blame goes on the worthless parasites who lived in New Orleans who you — couldn’t even wipe themselves, let alone get out of the way of the water when that levee broke.” Earlier in the same show, Boortz claimed that “when these Katrina so-called refugees were scattered about the country, it was just a glorified episode of putting out the garbage.”


GravatarI like bunnies.
NTodd, Thread Führer


Who among us could not possibly like a bunny?

(I know what sort of answer this is going to generate, but I'm curious as to how long it will take...)


GravatarDon't touch the Bunnies. /Vinnie
-


Gravataris it jdw's birthday?

Happy Birthday, you goofball!


GravatarPerhaps not, but it is an historic opportunity to broaden the human family.


As Colin and Condi so convincingly did.


GravatarKinnnnnnnnnky!

I'll meet you out back in 5 minutes.


GravatarI like bunnies.

Kinnnnnnnnnky!
watertiger


There was an episode of Entourage... was that bunnies she liked?


GravatarI'll meet you out back in 5 minutes.

a quickie - i'm heading out to the movies soon.


GravatarMy youngest sister had bunnies as bets. They are quite vicious, really. Always bit me.


GravatarIt takes four lips to kiss.
Ralphie | 02.02.08 - 5:57 pm | #

Or two lips and a butt.


GravatarHappy birthday, jdw!


GravatarI'll meet you out back in 5 minutes.

D00d, is this going to be another week-long game?


GravatarWho among us could not possibly like a bunny?

Wasn't someone posting here as Anya from Buffy the other day?

She'd have something to say.


Gravatar(I know what sort of answer this is going to generate, but I'm curious as to how long it will take...)

[refuses to rise to bait]


GravatarThey are quite vicious, really. Always bit me.

They've got big, nasty teeth.


GravatarWe're gonna see Arlo Guthrie tonight. Very psyched.


GravatarI already wished jdw happy birfday yesterday. The coupon is still valid.


GravatarI was discouraged from sending the death notice to the judge, with a note asking 'sick enough for you?

I'm just enough of a bitch, I probably would have sent it.


GravatarI like bunnies.

Kinnnnnnnnnky!
watertiger


And to think I came in here with a Google for "people doing animals." We've come full circle.

My work here is done.


GravatarI'm afraid of bunnies.
Jimmy Carter


Gravatarooh, sorry, NTodd.

didn't know you had any big letters left.


GravatarMy youngest sister had bunnies as bets. They are quite vicious, really. Always bit me.

You type like you have a cold.


GravatarWe're gonna see Arlo Guthrie tonight. Very psyched.

Now I'm green with envy. Remember to write down your first impressions when you get home.


Gravatara quickie - i'm heading out to the movies soon.
...
D00d, is this going to be another week-long game?


I'm always quick. No, wait...


GravatarThey've got big, nasty teeth.
watertiger

And fast scratching feet.


GravatarWho among us could not possibly like a bunny?

Think carefully before you answer.

(cocks hammer back)


GravatarAlways bit me.

it's tight like that

.


Gravatarwhy blue?


GravatarWe're gonna see Arlo Guthrie tonight. Very psyched.

He's for Ron Paul. Keep an eye out for his father stalking him with a shotgun.


Gravatardidn't know you had any big letters left.

Well, I might be able to pull it off.

[wait for it...]


GravatarI'm afraid of bunnies.
Jimmy Carter


Yeah, well, there's a picture of that bunny, and it looks like a Goddamned torpedo. You won't believe it if you can find it. The wake from the beast (it was in a river) looks like something from an Evinrude. Unbelievable.


Gravatarwhy blue?

for alliterative purposes only.


GravatarI like bunnies.
Kinnnnnnnnnky!


Donnie Darko playing in Denver tonight.


GravatarWho among us could not possibly like a bunny?

Think carefully before you answer.

(cocks hammer back)
Flopsy, Mopsy & Cottontail


Sheesh, fellas, don't point that thing at me, why, Lapin is almost my middle name!


GravatarOdd that Arlo would come out for Ron Paul. Doesn't compute, somehow.


GravatarYou type like you have a cold.

I'm a furriner.


GravatarGay Republicans flock to McCain.

Well, that pretty much settles it: the fundies are staying home.


Gravatar"Happy Birthday, you goofball!
watertiger"

now, now...don't start with the ball stuff...

thanks all!! i'm having a very good birfday.

my nephew came by today and he has this talent i didn't know about: an amzing memory.

he's 8 and he could name me every president, in order. also the birthdays of every family member and his friends. he says he looks at something and his mind takes a picture.


Gravatar
Donnie Darko playing in Denver tonight.


cellar door.


GravatarI was discouraged from sending the death notice to the judge, with a note asking 'sick enough for you?

I'm just enough of a bitch, I probably would have sent it.
TheOtherWA


I would have sent a copy of the death certificate.

That's how much of a bitch I am.


GravatarWho among us could not possibly like a bunny?

Wasn't someone posting here as Anya from Buffy the other day?

She'd have something to say.
sdf (Stu), Doddmaniac | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 6:01 pm | #


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k...h? v=kFZqJPmQX24


GravatarNTodd has a stagnant stimulus package.


GravatarSaw Arlo twice. Once he was terrific, once (a long time ago, maybe 1970 or so) he was under the influence...


GravatarI'd heard he was a Paultard. Will report back tomorrow. Dr Mrs Gromit and I have pleasant indoor activities planned for after the concert.


GravatarHe's for Ron Paul. Keep an eye out for his father stalking him with a shotgun.

I don't believe it. You got a source for that info?


GravatarGay Republicans




Jewish Nazis.

Black Klan Members.


I mean, what in the blue hell are these people thinking?


GravatarI'm a furriner.

I got nuthin.


GravatarOdd that Arlo would come out for Ron Paul. Doesn't compute, somehow.

Talk about not computing, check out the header on this website:

http://www.samizdata.net/blog/ ar...guthrie_en.html


GravatarDonnie Darko playing in Denver tonight.

Mmm...Smurfette.


GravatarArlo Guthrie Endorses Ron Paul:

http://www.samizdata.net/blog/ ar...guthrie_en.html


GravatarI'm off to make some lentil soup with smoked ham.

Cook's Illustrated posted a recipe for beef barley soup done in a slow cooker recently. My cooker had been MIA since the first time we moved, I think, and we just found it this summer. I made the soup this morning, and my husband just brought some to the store. Very yummy.

That crockpot was a wedding gift and is a nice olive green color that was so popular then. Worked just fine though.


GravatarDonnie Darko playing in Denver tonight.


Anyone see "Southland Tales"? I thought it was like "Big Budget Donnie Darko" -- sorta the same, without a lot of the cool stuff.


GravatarI mean, what in the blue hell are these people thinking?
Terry C - HATES Republicans | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 6:09 pm | #


your mistake here is assuming that they are thinking

.


GravatarThat crockpot was a wedding gift and is a nice olive green color that was so popular then.

Dang, y'all must have been married about 30 years or so, huh?

I remember the years of olive green and sunset orange.


GravatarI like Michelle Obama. She'd bring a lot of intelligence and warmth to the role of First Lady. She'd get things done too, I'd bet.


GravatarThis is often far better than lolcats.


Gravataryour mistake here is assuming that they are thinking

I'm thinking, I'm thinking.
Jack Benny


Gravatarpetraeus on teevee warning that "gains are tenuous" in iraq

.


GravatarNTodd has a stagnant stimulus package.

I'm proposing 1200 worth of Viagra for every male property owner who has attained at least the age of 21.


Gravatarahem.

it was "avocado" and "harvest gold".


GravatarWell, you could knock me over with a feather. I couldn't be more shocked.


Gravatarit was "avocado" and "harvest gold".


Oh, true dat. Avocado, for sure. But I'm pretty certain there was a "sunset" in there somewhere.


GravatarDang, y'all must have been married about 30 years or so, huh?

Yeah, a bit more than 30.


GravatarI have a pink 1950's range. It is enough to cheer me on some dark days.


Gravatarpetraeus on teevee warning that "gains are tenuous" in iraq

His name isn't Westmoreland by any chance...?


GravatarOdd that Arlo would come out for Ron Paul. Doesn't compute, somehow.

Yeah, why doesn't he want to win the war with Hillary? What is he, some kind of peacenik long-hair faggot?


Gravatarpetraeus on teevee warning that "gains are tenuous" in iraq

oh, jesus tits.


Gravatarpetraeus on teevee warning that "gains are tenuous" in iraq


Time magazine this week has a big article on "How The Surge Worked."

I haven't written my angry letter yet, but I will.


GravatarFound in the earlier thread:

Little Irish foundlings--they are so dear. And photogenic

Till they grow up and become louts.
Doug | 02.02.08 - 4:22 pm ~~~~


LaughedOL, and, damn, but I do love the way commenters here use language.


Gravatarhe says he looks at something and his mind takes a picture.

Cool. A nice little gift to have.

Happy birthday!


GravatarRomney is a smart guy: why does he sound not so bright?


GravatarGerald Patrick Hemming, Jr., a swashbuckling six-foot five ex-Marine turned soldier-of-fortune, who personally knew many of the prominent personages of the tumultuous sixties, and whose name appears with regularity in the books and articles on the Kennedy assassination, died Monday at his home in Fayetteville, North Carolina after a lengthy illness. Born in Los Angeles on March 1, 1937, Hemming was 71.


GravatarArlo sez:

“I love this guy. Dr. Paul is the only candidate I know of who would have signed the Constitution of The United States had he been there. I’m with him, because he seems to be the only candidate who actually believes it has as much relevance today as it did a couple of hundred years ago. I look forward to the day when we can work out the differences we have with the same revolutionary vision and enthusiasm that is our American legacy.”

I think Arlo smoked too much pot back in the day.


GravatarI have a pink 1950's range.

I can verify this.


GravatarRomney is a smart guy: why does he sound not so bright?
WalterNeff, Unity08.5


Romney is a schmuck.


Gravatarpetraeus on teevee warning that "gains are tenuous" in iraq

Uh oh. What further horror has occurred.


Gravataraiiight™.

it's movie time.

12 fuckin' bucks. unreal.


GravatarMaybe the surge worked: how would we know, they haven't really been clear on what it was supposed to do. I think the surge was successful in surging. From the standpoint of surging, the surge did pretty well. For a surge.


GravatarAfter he left the Marine Corp in the fall of 1958, Hemming travelled to Cuba and assist the newly formed Castro government in military training. In Cuba, Hemming worked as an instructor in a Cuban parachute regiment and was later named adjutant of the San Julien air base. Hemming claims while at San Julien he thwarted an assassination attempt by a disgruntled Cuban soldier who intended to shoot against Fidel Castro while he toured the air base with Soviet envoy Anderi Mikoyan.



In Cuba, Hemming met and worked with another American named William Morgan who in April 1961 was brutally executed by Castro forces for being a traitor. Hemming stated that he met Jack Ruby at Morgan's residence. Morgan's US citizenship was restored in 2007. In Cuba he also met Frank Fiorini, also known as Frank Sturgis who gained notoriety in 1974 as one of the Watergate burglars.


GravatarRomney is a smart guy: why does he sound not so bright?
WalterNeff, Unity08.5 | 02.02.08 - 6:16 pm | #

Don't wanna show no book learnin' to the puke base.


Gravataryes, he's a schmuck; why does he sound like a pinhead?


GravatarRomney is a smart guy: why does he sound not so bright?

As much as we dislike the whole dumbing down politics into a personality thing, any time we have seen Mitt we have come away with the distinct impression that this guy has serious, serious personality disorders that are not just failing to maintain a phony smile at all times. Even when he wins he comes off like a complete asshole to his own base. Maybe he's straying from the Code of Harry.


GravatarJust listened to Michelle Obama's speech at Delaware State. It brought tears to my eyes.


GravatarUh oh. What further horror has occurred.
pie | 02.02.08 - 6:17 pm | #


ungodly atrocity in iraq yesterday where two learning-impaired women were turned into suicide bombers and killed at least 99 people

.


GravatarMaybe the surge worked: how would we know, they haven't really been clear on what it was supposed to do. I think the surge was successful in surging. From the standpoint of surging, the surge did pretty well. For a surge.

You have a shining future as a political pundit.


GravatarI have a pink 1950's range. It is enough to cheer me on some dark days.

We had a Montgomery Ward gas stove made in 1951 in our first house. The thing was a tank and extremely reliable.

What happened to American made products?

(I don't need an answer, actually.)


Gravatar12 fuckin' bucks. unreal.

Double that=new DVD player.


GravatarArlo must had a recent brain blip-nothing to do with drugs back in the 60's. He used to do those joint concerts with Pete Seeger every year. I bet Pete wouldn't give him the time of day now.


GravatarUh oh. What further horror has occurred.

For him? January became February. Which means he has one month to come up with a good reason why nothing constructive has happened since he reported in September.


GravatarHemming met and liked Che Guevera who he described as a man of his word. Hemming claimed he had a secret meeting with Guevera during the height of the Cuban missile crisis.



Hemming fled Cuba in the fall of 1960 and was extensively debriefed by the CIA regarding Castro's military operations. He then started a paramilitary organization named Intercontinental Penetration Force or Interpen, which trained first in the Everglades and later on No Name Key, a small, mosquito-infested island thirty miles north of Key West. The group was sometimes known as "Patrick's raiders".


GravatarRomney is a smart guy: why does he sound not so bright?

he's very bit as smart as a well-trained poodle

.


GravatarI think the surge was successful in surging. From the standpoint of surging, the surge did pretty well. For a surge.

When I surge, the sheets get messy. Which I view as success.


GravatarHey mon! I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul(koff koff).


GravatarMaybe the surge worked: how would we know, they haven't really been clear on what it was supposed to do.

It was supposed to get the different factions to cooperate and start rebuilding their country, wasn't it?


GravatarWhat happened to American made products?

They started making them outside America.


Gravatar12 fuckin' bucks. unreal.

I just bought a cool usb plug & play wireless thingie for our PC. And when logging onto netflix I discovered that they changed their policy so that the instant streaming number of videos is unlimited. The SO has gone through 3-4 episodes of Heroes so far today.

I on the other hand watched the netflix CD of Downfall. It's a light-hearted comedy which could be made into a Broadway musical.


GravatarI saw Markos as the Farmer's Market today. He pretended to ignore me but I positioned myself so he had to see me. He waved! His wife didn't though.


GravatarWhat happened to American made products?

(I don't need an answer, actually.)


I know you don't, but it's built-in obsolescence. To make people buy more.


GravatarHemming's group was heavily funded by right-wing Caribbean dictators but some believe there was secret funding from the CIA. Hemming claimed to be reporting to James Jesus Angleton, the controversial chief of the CIA's Counterintelligence arm. Hemming also had familial ties to the intelligence community: his uncle had been a business partner with John McCone, JFK's Director of the CIA.


Gravatarit was "avocado" and "harvest gold". Oh, true dat. Avocado, for sure. But I'm pretty certain there was a "sunset" in there somewhere.

Is the category 70s appliances or Laura's closet?


GravatarMorgan who in April 1961 was brutally executed by Castro forces for being a traitor.

Um, in unpropagandistic language this would be "the government executed someone they believed to be a traitor." Talk of "brutally executed" (what, he wasn't shot or hung?) is kind of like "innocent Holocaust victims" (what, there were guilty ones?), and after the defeat of Batista there were no "Castro forces" (which is just fracking illiterate), it was "the government." Any given government is entirely in its rights in killing genuine threats to its survival, and Castro's was more threatened than most, especially in the early 60s by Americans.


GravatarIn December 1962, Hemming and a dozen of his Interpen group were arrested in the Florida Keys shortly before leaving on a secret mission to Cuba. Jailed overnight in Key West, the group was bailed out by a Miami attorney who flew them to Miami on a chartered seaplane. Hemming stated that when they arrived in Miami, Oswald attempted to infiltrate their group but Hemming instructed his men to remove Oswald. Several months later when Hemming and his lawyer participated in a Miami radio talk show, a man identifying himself as Lee Oswald called the show. A week after the assassination, the talk show host reported the incident to the FBI. In 1978, Hemming testified to the House Select Committee on Assassinations that he had met Lee Harvey Oswald outside the Cuban Consulate in January 1959, was suspicious of Oswald's motives and the information he was seeking. Subsequently, Hemming advised his Cuban friends to get rid of Oswald.


GravatarI saw something the other day Markos would be interested in seeing . . .

I saw the Redstate redesign.


GravatarI'm a furriner.
Echidne | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 6:07 pm | #


if yer a furriner, how come you talk amurkin so good like?

.


GravatarTucker Carlson and Joe Klein on Timmeh telling me how horrible abortion is and how it will hurt the Dems...I guarantee if one of their sisters or daughters got knocked up the procedure would be safe and legal, and the fundies would have no right to their medical files.


GravatarI saw Markos as the Farmer's Market today.

You should've asked to have your account cancelled.


Gravatar Which means he has one month to come up with a good reason why nothing constructive has happened since he reported in September.

And what happens if he doesn't?

heh.


GravatarOn bail restriction arising from the arrest in the Florida Keys, Hemming was unable to return to Los Angeles for a Christmas reunion with his family. A short time thereafter, his father, who owned a television repair shop, died. Hemming always regretted missing that last Christmas with his father. He told one writer that for months after his father died he would call his father's business after hours just to listen to his father's voice on the recorded announcement of the business hours.


Gravatarif yer a furriner, how come you talk amurkin so good like?


I readed a book called LOLmurkin.


GravatarI know you don't, but it's built-in obsolescence. To make people buy more.

That's why I'm not replacing my slow cooker.


Gravatarpie: Ah-hah. That's right. That would make it a fucking failure then, I guess. I thought it was surging for the sake of surging which made it, on average, a damn fine surge.


Gravatark&y
Truth hertz, 60 cycles, American.


GravatarTucker Carlson and Joe Klein on Timmeh telling me how horrible abortion is



Shame their mothers believed that.


GravatarIn March of 1963, Hemming traveled to Dallas, Texas seeking financial support for his Interpen group. One of the person contacted included former Gen. Edwin Walker, who was shot at by Lee Oswald a few weeks later.



Hemming testified to the HSCA that in the summer of 1963 he was personally offered money to arrange the murder of JFK; specifying one such offer was made in the home of New Orleans private investigator Guy Banister and another in the Dallas Petroleum Club.


GravatarI've always been leery of big crowds and crowd mentality. Which I suppose explains why I'm leaning towards Clinton over Obama. Seriously.


GravatarI readed a book called LOLmurkin.
Echidne


I learned mine from "English as She is Spoke."


GravatarAnd what happens if he doesn't?

He lets Dana Perino tell him what to say.


GravatarThe correct term is surgekreig.


GravatarI learned mine from "English as She is Spoke."
Rmj


That tickled me funny.


GravatarThat's why I'm not replacing my slow cooker.
pie


Always good not to be hasty. Hrum-hroom!


Gravatar guarantee if one of their lovers got knocked up the procedure would be safe and legal

Fingered your trombone.


GravatarIn the late 1980s Hemming and two of his Interpen associates served as consultants to Oliver Stone's movie "JFK". He can be seen briefly in the film as the man co-coordinating the assassination. Although some speculate that members of Interpen may have been involved in the assassination, Hemming always denied that charge, but has suggested that several years later he learned the details of the assassination from persons who were involved. Among his controversial claims was that Kennedy assassination was funded in part by members of the family of Rafeal Trujillo, the Dominican Republic dictator assassinated in April 1961, and that there was a separate shooter in the Texas School Book Depository with a contract to kill Governor John Connally. He also claimed that the conspirators had planted a bomb in a car parked near the triple underpass that could have been used to blow up the entire presidential limousine had the shooters been unable to deliver a fatal head shot.


Gravatar60 cycles?!




Is this about laundry?


GravatarThe correct term is surgekreig.

I'm experiencing Surgenfreude.


Gravatar"English as She is Spoke."


A great book about bicycles. I read it.


GravatarI've always been leery of big crowds and crowd mentality. Which I suppose explains why I'm leaning towards Clinton over Obama. Seriously.
noblejoanie | 02.02.08 - 6:26 pm | #

Mccainus draws even smaller crowds.


GravatarOK, enough with the Jimmy Carter afraid of bunnies.

In areas where rabies is possible, seeing an animal which normally goes the opposite direction of humans coming toward you can be a good indication of rabies.

A lot easier to avoid getting bit, than going through the shots.

When rabies spiked here in northern NJ, having a raccoon out in the yard during the day meant stay out of the yard and call animal control. So call me scared of Rocky Raccoon. Yes, we were! And we kept the animals indoors until that raccoon was caught (it was rabit).

Probably didn't occur to the pompous MCMers.


GravatarMoscow doesn't believe in tears.



GravatarMccainus draws even smaller crowds.

I backed Edwards. He was lucky to draw a kaffeklatch.


Gravatar"Deal to End Hollywood Writers’ Strike May Be Near
MICHAEL CIEPLY
Published: February 2, 2008
LOS ANGELES — Informal talks between representatives of Hollywood’s writers and production companies eliminated the major roadblocks to a new contract, opening the prospect of a tentative agreement between the parties as early as next week, according to people who were briefed on the situation but requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/ 0...rtner=TOPIXNEWS


GravatarDrat typo! It was rabid, not rabbit or rabit.


GravatarThat tickled me funny.
noblejoanie


Even better, it's real!

In 1855, when Jose da Fonseca and Pedro Carolino wrote an English phrasebook for Portuguese students, they faced just one problem: they didn't know any English. Even worse, they didn't own an English-to-Portuguese dictionary. What they did have, though, was a Portuguese-to-French dictionary, and a French-to-English dictionary.


GravatarIs this about laundry?

Yes, 60 cycles is the life expectancy of a flannel shirt, made in Viet Nam.


GravatarOf course we can pray for victory in the battle of Surge-ageddon in the valley of Megiddo.


GravatarWhen rabies spiked here in northern NJ, having a raccoon out in the yard during the day meant stay out of the yard and call animal control. So call me scared of Rocky Raccoon. Yes, we were! And we kept the animals indoors until that raccoon was caught (it was rabit).

There was a rabid fox here a few years ago. I saw it in the backyard but it was night so I didn't call anyone. It bit someone the following day and I've felt guilty about not calling ever since.


GravatarEven better, it's real!

That must have been hilarious.


GravatarHemming may have given us the answer to some of the mysteries of the assassination. For instance, he has identified the Mexico City mystery man as German born Mario Tauler Sague, recruited for the CIA by Bill Harvey while Harvey was the Berlin station chief. Sague was involved in one of the earliest attempts on Castro's life.


GravatarEchidne - "if yer a furriner, how come you talk amurkin so good like?"

As the Irish porter at the Public Record Office, Kew asked me, on learning that I was registered from Albuquerque, NM....  The same porter, incidentally, who some weeks later informed me that, "Madam?  You have style."

Damn, I do wish I'd bough the little house at the entrance to the PRO.  Three stories, perhaps three bedrooms....  Coulda run it as a B&B -foreffingevah-....


Gravataridiot letter to loud obbs:

"i'm outraged that our electoral vote here in florida won't count! why doesn't the ACLU help ordinary americans like us floridians for a change instead of spending all its time helping illegal aliens"

gah

.


GravatarHe lets Dick Cheney tell him what to say.


fyt.


GravatarThis has been fun. Must now take a nap.


GravatarAt the conference in Dallas, Hemming claimed to know Sylvia Odio's visitors were. He stated that one of them had once saved his life. In 2005, he finally revealed the names. The man who saved his life was Angelo Murgado, the "Angel" in the Odio story, and "Leopoldo" was Bernardo DeTorres, a name familiar to most students of the assassination. The names were first publicly identified in an article written by Mark Howell and Tim Gratz for the Key West Citizen. Murgado was interviewed in person by Prof Joan Mellen (in the presence of Hemming) and she tells the story in her book "A Farewell to Justice". Murgado was also interviewed by David Talbot for his book "Brothers". In "Brothers", Talbot states that Murgado told him that he, Murgado, had shown Robert F Kennedy the newspaper article and photo of Lee Oswald passing out literature in New Orleans, leading to the disturbing conclusion that when RFK learned of the arrest of Oswald for the murder of his brother, he recognized Oswald's name and photo.


GravatarTucker Carlson and Joe Klein on Timmeh telling me how horrible abortion is
Terry C - HATES Republicans | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 6:25 pm


Too bad they can't get knocked up.


GravatarHoward K. Davis, who served as an Army ranger in the Korean War and worked with the Castro forces in 1958 before the abdication of Batista, was the second in command of the Interpen group and worked closely with Hemming for many years. Davis, who now works for Homeland Security at the Miami airport, said of Hemming, "Hemming was at heart an idealist who longed for freedom for the Cuban people and like so many was disappointed that Castro betrayed the stated goals of his revolution. Gerry loved the Cuban people, spoke Spanish fluently and he is remembered with great fondness in the Cuban exile community. He named one of his sons after a Cuban exile who paid the ultimate sacrifice in the fight against Castro."


GravatarObama out jeebussing, at start of CBS Evening News.


Gravatarsnarky posters......since Tena left...everyone eating their own...started out as such buddies.....what a community....it was bound to happen Atrios sooner or later...just like DKOS.....


GravatarDrat typo! It was rabid, not rabbit or rabit.
jawbone


Rat-bit?


Gravatarsnarky posters......since Tena left...everyone eating their own...started out as such buddies

Yes. No. Not really. Started coming for the same reason - not necessarily as buddies.

Kos? *shrug* Don't care.


Gravatarsnarky posters......since Tena left...everyone eating their own...started out as such buddies.....what a community....it was bound to happen Atrios sooner or later...just like DKOS.....

Oh yes, if only we had Tena here to keep us togeher.


Gravatarlove will keep us together


Gravatarsnarky posters......since Tena left...everyone eating their own..

Thanks for your concern, we'll pass it on to Trademark Dave for you. Don't mention it.


GravatarOh man, I just went through my mail. Got a 234 dollar bill for Rin Tin's euthanasia/cremation. Bah. I didn't even go pick up his remains yet--didn't feel like it yesterday.


Gravatarlove will keep us together

superglue also works


Should I put up an empty thread?


Gravatar"...just like DKOS.....
funlady"

stupidlady


Gravataryes, yes you should.


GravatarShould I put up an empty thread?
Echidne | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 6:41 pm | #


empty threads tell no tales

.


GravatarI just read res's latest Rudy/Judi installment.

JUDI: "You had a packaged schedule of speaking engagements. No one wants to hear from a LOSER. You'll be lucky if you get a gig in front of the Prostate Cancer Survivor's League. Now get out of my way. I've got to get ready."

Comedy gold, baybee.


Gravatardogs had leftover pork chop gravy on their kibble. I hope they don't fart tonight.


GravatarClayton Forrester, scientist, currently practicing on TCM. This could mean tremendous advances in the field of science.


Gravatarrecruited for the CIA by Bill Harvey while Harvey was the Berlin station chief. Sague was involved in one of the earliest attempts on Castro's life.

Go on.


Gravatarfresh finny sheets.


GravatarRomney is a smart guy: why does he sound not so bright?
WalterNeff,


I think it because he talking about things far outside his range.

He ran Bain Capital for 25 years and was elected Gov first in 2002. This doesn't prepare you for talking about many policy issues in 2008


Gravatar$234 for euthanasia and cremation? WOW!

I thought $80 for a shot to euthanize my little Abby was outrageous. At least the ground wasn't frozen and I could bury her in a lovely spot by the woods, on bed of autumn wild flowers.


Gravatarsnarky posters......since Tena left...everyone eating their own...started out as such buddies.....what a community....it was bound to happen Atrios sooner or later...just like DKOS.....

You see, I had no idea. I miss out on everything!


GravatarKick back.

Life runs in cycles. 


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