I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
MIne!
Brett who?
All Mine!
Yours.
I'm he gets my Jets to the playoffs I'll forge him one...
"Yours."
Finally.
Stewardship of the earth, caring for the sick, helping the poor, taking care of the incarcerated...
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 08.16.08 - 7:43 pm | #
yes, but they don't vote based on who is jesusy enough. or they shouldn't.
Ridin' dirty!
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The Myth Of Socialism As Statism
Quit it you filthy ottoman.
Video at link...
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl...2844/753/
568761
Wow, Faux really blew it here, bringing in a 12 year old Ossetian girl "hero" to talk about how bad the Russian aggression was, first-hand, only to have the girl stop the flow of the interview and point out that her ordeal was caused by Georgian troops, and she thanks the Russians who helped her escape.
A CAT!
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faux news: evangelicals want answers on who is moral
because, obviously, only evangelicals know anything about morallity.
The costs of NATO expansionism
Tavaris Jackson hit a home run...or something!
yes, but they don't vote based on who is jesusy enough. or they shouldn't.
dirk gently,melancoholic
WORD!
The only person who gets anything out of this is the REV.
Hey! I should have been first.
From the end of the last thread:
Vicki, the hypocrisy of the right wing anti-abortion voters is what pisses me off. I know of a number of kids whose parents are pro-life that have had abortions. They like to talk about more than they want the law changed.
mer
Remember, kids, no bullying or intimidation. A hearty fuck you to the deserving never hurts though.
A pity none of our trolls will ever get the gold mental.
Jeevan-flavored candidates!
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heh - military members donate more to obama than mccain. substantially.
Ooh, running into the forbidden city, cool.
cnn interviewing tony perkins.
Vicki, the hypocrisy of the right wing anti-abortion voters is what pisses me off. I know of a number of kids whose parents are pro-life that have had abortions.
Immoral for thee, but not for me.
Six for you... one for you. Six for you... one for you. Six for you... one for you. Six for you... one for you. Six for you...
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cnn interviewing tony perkins.
dirk gently
Alert Vivian Leigh
Alert Vivian Leigh
Attaturk
not that one.
the crazy one.
General motherfucking Praetorian says it and he's bitch slapped to the corner.
mer,
Me too. I grew up with some real "devout" Christian Reformed kids, and they were the biggest hypocrites on the block. Always trying to do sexual things, like play doctor and touch inappropriately (and I mean very inappropriately)...I've always wondered where they got the idea to do those things...
He'll have it bronzed.
actually, i'm coming to think rick warren may be a good thing here. if nothing else to say "it ain't all abortion"
The Saddlebag Church sounds horse- and motorcycle-friendly.
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Me too. I grew up with some real "devout" Christian Reformed kids, and they were the biggest hypocrites on the block. Always trying to do sexual things, like play doctor and touch inappropriately (and I mean very inappropriately)
Can you hook me up?
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Alert Vivian Leigh
Remake 2009: Bush is in the shower when Laura drives through it in her SUV.
"The Saddlebag Church sounds horse- and motorcycle-friendly."
Vrooming fer jesus!
Plus military members, I like beating military members with coaxial cable.
I hope Obama tells them that they are voting against their own interests. If they really, really care about the poor, then you don't vote Republican.
I also suspect it is what the Repigs fear most, hence why they always talk about how moral they are.
"The Saddlebag Church sounds horse- and motorcycle-friendly."
Sounds more like a happy scrotum.
i hope obama doesn't spend his time denying that he's muslim.
Deadthreaded
Is Kieth and company gonna cover this "forum"?
Saakashvili eats at his tie (seriously)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K...h?
v=Kid379OjuC0
Me too. I grew up with some real "devout" Christian Reformed kids, and they were the biggest hypocrites on the block.
Part of the problem I think is that they have it hammered into their heads that they are evil, wicked sinners by default.
Bad behavior is expected, if only to generate the guilt that gets them crying for forgiveness from Jezzzzussss.
actually, i'm coming to think rick warren may be a good thing here. if nothing else to say "it ain't all abortion"
dirk gently,melancoholic
If Warren really talks about poverty, health care, this forum will be more useful than anytying Charlie Gibson ever preened over
Speaking of which:
Letters from Vermont. I don't know how I didn't get this, I've sent Sanders money.
http://www.richardreeves.com/
lat...est_column.html
I wish I was a trust fund kid now making documentaries in obscure places around the globe and dating exotically beautiful women.
leibniz: Sounds more like a happy scrotum.
Saddlebags are NOTHING like scrotums, thank Jeevan.
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That park they're running through is better than anything in the United States.
and: Janet Leigh
/pedant
The Saddlebag Church sounds horse- and motorcycle-friendly.
Also welcoming to those who've put on a few pounds and not catering to the thin like all those other a-hole churches.
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Janet Leigh?
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Interesting. Buchanan just said, on MSNBC, that he knows that right wing 527s are planning attack ads on the fact that Obama supported laws in Illinois which did not allow botched abortion live-births to get medical treatment, and he cited that there are three cases they plan to focus on.
and: Janet Leigh
/pedant
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
Saddlebags are NOTHING like scrotums
You obviously don't know about the early days of our mail service with the Penis Express.
irony - Canada is mounting an expedition to find the remains of the 1845 British attempt to find the Northwest Passage. The ships Erebus and Terror were trapped in ice and Sir John Franklin and his crew of 128 died.
Global warming has opened up the region and Canada is sending a team to survey an area south of King William Island. Frozen corpses, believed to be those of members of the expedition, have been found in the area. 'Canada will embark on its own search, which has the allure of an Indiana Jones mystery,' said environment minister John Baird. This year's search will last six weeks and will be followed by further explorations in 2009 and 2010 if need be.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/...7/
canada.arctic
Obama voted for an Illinois law that would have allowed late term abortion babies to be thrown in the dumpster.
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
Attaturk
That was Roy Clark.
You obviously don't know about the early days of our mail service with the Penis Express.
They delivered in 30 seconds or less or your money back.
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Speakin' of ridin' dirty...
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i sincerely hope that this 'forum' is about world view and not about faith.
roland martin slaps down tony perkins nicely.
Obama voted for an Illinois law that would have allowed late term abortion babies to be thrown in the dumpster.
bill bennet
Liar
i sincerely hope that this 'forum' is about world view and not about faith.
Having a weltanschuung is elitist.
Obama voted for an Illinois law that would have allowed late term abortion babies to be thrown in the dumpster.
bill bennet | 08.16.08 - 7:59 pm | #
the fool! we can salvage them for parts.
They tried to have a pony express but Holden owned all the fucking ponies.
Hey, if y'all wanna try to get one side of your scrotum on one side of the horse/motorcycle, and the other side on the other... be my guest!
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I’m watching Paula Radcliffe in the Marathon in the Olympics. Can’t get over the Lightning Bolt from yesterday. Did you see that? He was hopping the last 10 metres and he still did 9.69
Stewardship of the earth, caring for the sick, helping the poor, taking care of the incarcerated...
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
"Not profitable"
/Pat Robertson
Obama voted for an Illinois law that would have allowed late term abortion babies to be thrown in the dumpster
Yep. Totally ruined dumpster diving.
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Frank Rich: Maverick still getting free pass from media
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/1...ion/
17rich.html
I've decided I might watch, at least Obama, if I can stream it. The tv is in the other room and I find this forum much more engaging. 
A paranoid Saakashvili
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=z...feature=related
Having a weltanschuung is elitist.
Dr Roberta
Weltanschaung is the Danish National Penis Museum
http://volokh.com/posts/1218815216.shtml
It was supposed to be just another federal drug prosecution. The federal prosecutors introduced evidence that the man on trial was involved in the black market drug trade. The defense attorney said the government agents entrapped his client. And then the twelve citizen-jurors retired to deliberate the outcome of the case.
But then something unusual happened. The jury sent a note to the trial judge with the following query: Since the Constitution needed to be amended in 1919 to authorize federal criminal prosecutions for manufacturing and smuggling alcohol, a juror wanted to know from the judge where “is the constitutional grant of authority to ban mere possession of cocaine today?”
When the jury sent out more notes about a juror that wasn’t going to sign off on an unconstitutional prosecution, Young halted the proceedings to identify the ”problem juror.” Once discovered, that juror was replaced with an alternate–over the objections of defense counsel. Shortly thereafter, the new jury returned with guilty verdicts on several cocaine-related charges.
I've decided I might watch, at least Obama, if I can stream it.
Is C of T around? That might make it more palatable.
I’m watching Paula Radcliffe in the Marathon in the Olympics. Can’t get over the Lightning Bolt from yesterday. Did you see that? He was hopping the last 10 metres and he still did 9.69
sally | 08.16.08 - 8:02 pm | #
Indeed, Usaine Bolt was so laid back in the last few minutes of the race
Is C of T around? That might make it more palatable.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮
CoT said he was out for the rest of the weekend.
Weltanschaung is the Danish National Penis Museum
BlueinColorado
I'm weltanschuung like a horse.
Is C of T around? That might make it more palatable.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮
i'll be mocking them, if that helps.
Mo Dowd -- how Chimpy never got Russia or China
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/1...ion/
17dowd.html
Only 2 american boxers move to the semifinals. Worst performance by an american boxing team ever.
badboyzbadboyz
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two hours! well, i'll be mocking them for a little while anyway.
"Weltanschaung is the Danish National Penis Museum"
Reciprocally, across the street is the Big Truck museum?
goodnight moonbats
What's that you say, you drunken syphyllitic bitch? 'Cause I really fucking doubt it.
"Is C of T around? That might make it more palatable."
--leibniz
I think he is out for the weekend from what he said earlier, and frankly, I can't blame him.
CoT said he was out for the rest of the weekend.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
I hereby cancel the rest of the weekend.
i really could not be less interested in their faith. the rest of it, probably.
Indeed, Usaine Bolt was so laid back in the last few minutes of the race
Moonbootica, relaxed
But the race only lasted 9.69 seconds. I know what you mean though!
nice goatee.
My former company installed the seats in Saddleback.
Identical questions.
That's a good thing, methinks.
cone of silence! hey, i might actually like this fellow.
John McCain about to knock the cover off the ball at Saddleback Church. Obama will never touch him.
Global warming has opened up the region and Canada is sending a team to survey an area south of King William Island. Frozen corpses, believed to be those of members of the expedition, have been found in the area.
I knew someone who participated in this excavation ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Fra...and_exhumations
After obtaining legal permission,[50] Beattie's team visited Beechey Island in August 1984 to perform autopsies on the three crewmen buried there.[51] They started with the first crew member to die, Leading Stoker John Shaw Torrington. After completing Torrington's autopsy and exhuming and briefly examining the body of John Hartnell, the team, pressed for time and threatened by the weather, returned to Edmonton with tissue and bone samples.[52] Trace element analysis of Torrington's bones and hair indicated that the crewman "would have suffered severe mental and physical problems caused by lead poisoning".[53] Although the autopsy indicated that pneumonia had been the ultimate cause of the crewman's death, lead poisoning was cited as a contributing factor.[54]
During the expedition, the team visited a place about 1 kilometre (0.6 mi) north of the grave site to examine fragments of hundreds of food tins discarded by the Franklin's men. Beattie noted that the seams were poorly soldered with lead, which had likely come in direct contact with the food.[55][56] The release of findings from the 1984 expedition and the photo of Torrington, a 138 year-old corpse well preserved by permafrost in the tundra, led to wide media coverage and renewed interest in the lost Franklin expedition.
SO if I understand this right, Mccain cannot hear the questions, but must answer them.
I like what he just said about learning to disagree, and restoring civility in discourse.
nothing to mock as yet.
we can disagree without demonizing.
Barack looks HOT.
Disagreement without demonization. Well, I can agree with that.
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SO if I understand this right, Mccain cannot hear the questions, but must answer them.
EkCenTriK | 08.16.08 - 8:08 pm | #
he has to ask god what the question was. proves he is on contact.
Is Culture of Truth here? I was hoping he'd liveblog the religious shindig that McCain and Obama have gone off to.
oh no. barack better not answer "jesus christ"
"he has to ask god what the question was. proves he is on contact."
Hah!!!
really could not be less interested in their faith. the rest of it, probably.
dirk gently,melancoholic
I'm with you. What about the war, or the many wars the Right wants to fight? OR, How about the financial meltdown that Chimpy has got us into? Or, what about Health care?
But no, lets debate invisable cloud being.
who will barack listen to? three people.
one is michelle. good answer. "she'll be honest - say 'you screwed that up'"
2 is grandma.
Answer ZONTAR!!!!!!
The question is on leadership, and who he'd turn to.
1. Michelle
2. His grandma
Moonbotica--
I'm involved in a totally worthless endeavor--watching preseason football--but on your posts, just curious: ever read anything on Spanish Anarchism &/or Homage to Catalonia &/or anything (non-Stalinist) about the Sp. Civil war & POUM & CNF & Friends of Durruti, etc? Orwell's description and admiration of Black & Red Barcelona before Stalin subverted the Republicans (hard to write that nowadays) is something I will always carry in my mind, & will never experience on this earth. !Visca Catalunya, dood!
3rd answer? i would wish for more wishes.
3. Good answer. Wouldn't restrict himself to 3 people.
Axelrod and Plouffe.
Don'r say Amy Carter
Pastor Warren, 'Who are your 3 wise men?'
Obama, 'Excluding you of course. My wife, my grandmother, and in terms of the administration, dick lugar and sam nunn in foreign policy and ted kennedy on domestic.'
next question: confess your sins.
Personal life. What would be your greatest moral failure of your life, and of America.
I can't wait to hear Mccains answer to the moral failure question.
Like? As in ass-rape his boyish derriere?
HE DRANK???? omg!!!!!
obama: i was young and foolish and my folks didn't raise me.
"when i screw up it's cause i'm selfish."
My greatest moral failure is not right now shoving this crucifix up your ass.
Personal life. What would be your greatest moral failure of your life, and of America.
I guess "Oh, fuck you." is off the table.
I hereby cancel the rest of the weekend.
BUT I'M NOT FINISHED USING MINE!
Cool, did you hear the audience saying it along with him?
Fricking cool!
nice religious answer on america's greatest failure.
"when i don't do something for the least of my brothers..."
even i can go along with that.
America's greatest moral failure: we still don't abide by the precept in Matthew, whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me.
Applies to poverty, racism, sexism, etc.
I actually agree with him.
Do we know which candidate is the emissary from God yet?
where did you go against your party?
obama: i worked with mcstain on campaign ethics.
heh heh
i wonder if they got the questions in advance? i hope not.
This is already starting to suck.
from the jets?no problemooo dr. a!
Talking about Iraq and how he opposed it.
Senator Joe Biden, a top Obama surrogate who's being discussed as a potential Veep for Obama, just announced that he'll be visiting Georgia, too, in addition to key McCain surrogates Joe Lieberman and John McCain.
http://
tpmelectioncentral.talkin...georgia_thi.php
This is already starting to suck.
Gomez | 08.16.08 - 8:15 pm | #
oh, i don't know. i would like to compare mccain's answers.
obama adds i was against iraq which was not politically expedient.
Where are the marathoners?
when did you flip-flop?
What channel is Jesusfest on?
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When I voted for FISA
America's greatest moral failure: we still don't abide by the precept in Matthew, whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me.
Applies to poverty, racism, sexism, etc.
I actually agree with him.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
It will cut no ice with the wingnuts. Remember when Bush used to say he had been reading the bible that morning? One day a reporter asked him which bit, and he did not have an answer. Still the nuts believed he was a christian.
all i do is listen to "Memo from Turner" over and over again.
This is already starting to suck.
Gomez
You're focusing too much on Rick's beard.
obama: welfare reform. don't know if he's for or against, whatever "reform" means.
he thought clinton's reform was going to be a failure but it wasn't.
Zombie,
FOX, CNN, MSNBC, and any other channel you get there in Hell.
This is already starting to suck.
Gomez | 08.16.08 - 8:15 pm | #
What don't you like about it?
It's difficult for me to see candidates in a mega-church, but if the congregates' concerns are changing from personal salvation to common good, that's a sea change I've been waiting for.
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Yeah, it's great that they got Joe Namath on the phone, but how about a little play-by-play coverage?
When I voted for FISA
Gomez | 08.16.08 - 8:17 pm | #
heh. oddly, he didn't bring that up.
Gut wrenching?
To come before you nutbags.
oops. his most gut-wrenching decision was opposing iraq.
it was easy for me.
Questions of war and peace are so profound.
What don't you like about it?
The church thing.
Pandering to people who say they believe in fairy tales.
Pandering to people who say they believe in fairy tales.
Gomez
Are unicorns okay?
Favray 6-12 66yds no picks.
So Obama is appearing with McCain in a forum where there will loads of hostile questions about Democratic wedge issues? Niice. I hope he knows what he's doing running that gauntlet.
"It will cut no ice with the wingnuts"
I don't think anyone expects to win over a pure wingnut. Commonsense has little to do with them.
It is everyone else.
Are unicorns okay?
Just Another Zero
Just don't make everybody have to believe in them to be President.
Pandering to people who say they believe in fairy tales
I believe in fairy tales because I totally want there to be an edible candy house in the woods owned by a child-eating witch. With drawers and drawers filled with edible candy panties. Teh hawt.
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round one, nicely done
Got to mention war as the moral issue it is at least twice. So glad our candidate is able to speak this way.
I wonder how many people are seeing Obama for the first time, outside of a campaign ad or a thirty second news clip
"I wonder how many people are seeing Obama for the first time"
Good point.
Just don't make everybody have to believe in them to be President.
Gomez
A gut-wrenching decision, damn.
edible candy panties
I have this idea for a throwaway scene in a movie where one character eats edible panties as a snack just cause he likes the taste.
No person above the age of reason really believes in God.
They're all lying.
Pandering to people who say they believe in fairy tales.
Gomez | 08.16.08 - 8:20 pm | #
well, yeah, except that a lot of people base their view of the world on their faith. everything.
although an atheist, i share some of their concerns, i just don't think it has anything to do with the fsm. i'm still interested in where the candidates stand on poverty, choice, war, aids, healthcare ... if the way to get people to pay attention is to ask those q's in church (as a civil meeting place) i don't have an objection. it could be a synagogue or a mosque or whatever.
the biblical stuff is a bit stinky, it implies that only xians have morals or social concerns. but beyond that, i can't complain much yet.
and fear not - i will.
Hey! Howsabout a little less amateur theology - since as far as I know, neither of these people are being bruited as Archbishop or Elder - and a little tad more of political or diplomatic practice? Like, say, oh gee - when the hell do we get out of Irak? What do we do about the collapsing economy? How about immigration constraints that are destroying whole states? Speaking of which, what about re-securing the right to habeas corpus or maybe some of the 0-odd constitutional amendments which have been gutted in the last eight years?
Why would I pay any attention at all to these clowns' theological fancies?
Obama is losing independents with tonight's lame ass performance. He got too much sun, his brain is drained
So Obama is appearing with McCain in a forum where there will loads of hostile questions about Democratic wedge issues? Niice. I hope he knows what he's doing running that gauntlet.
When McCain has to talk about committing adultery as his greatest moral failing? Or else have the fundies call him on it when he says something else? Worth the potential pitfalls.
Ravens rookie Ray Rice running well. Ray Rice is from Rutgers.
Well, I'm tuned in now. The man does look pretty sharp, I must say.
now comes the xianity. complain! complain!
He got too much sun
HE'S BLACK!!!
"Obama is losing independents with tonight's lame ass performance. He got too much sun, his brain is drained
jack"
You spend a lot of time re-reading Mallard Fillmore strips don't you.
/shudder/
I have this idea for a throwaway scene in a movie where one character eats edible panties as a snack just cause he likes the taste.
You're making a movie about me?
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Obama is losing independents with tonight's lame ass performance.
That would be the jack poll. Sample size - one moron.
This is why I'm picking Jesus as my VP.
No person above the age of reason really believes in God.
They're all lying.
Gomez | 08.16.08 - 8:24 pm | #
well, that isn't true.
they are wrong, but they aren't necessarily lying.
Loving mercy -- there's a value we don't hear enough about.
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/shudder/
BlueinColorado
*cringe*
its like the johnny carson show.where is ed mcmahon gaffawing all over the stage?
Evening, all.
Well, my teeth didn't go all on edge until 20 minutes in. I thought it was gonna be 30 seconds.
they are wrong, but they aren't necessarily lying.
dirk gently,melancoholic
Deep down they know there is no God.
No person above the age of reason really believes in God.
They're all lying.
You're assuming people reach an age where they become rational.
Nuh-uh.
Abortion.
At what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?
at what point does a baby get human rights?
COMPLAIN.
obama is about to pass.
Aw, c'mon, Obama, you had to know the abortion question was coming.
At what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Huh. You posted that before I heard it.
Here comes Democratic wedge issue number one....
No person above the age of reason really believes in God.
They're all lying.
Gomez | 08.16.08 - 8:24 pm | #
well, that isn't true.
they are wrong, but they aren't necessarily lying.
Why split hairs?
Oh boy! There's a moral and ethical issue to abortion! And Obama's pro-choice!
Gee whiz. I'm vindicated.
obama: ok, there is a moral side. i am pro choice, not pro abortion.
leave it to the woman, she knows what she is doing.
"Women don't make these decisions casually." Standing up for women as grown-ups! About fucking time some male politician did.
I am pro-choice. I come to that conclusion because I don't think that women make these decisions casually.
Goal is: how do we reduce the number of abortions?
Why is this a God issue?
When Bush said his top adviser would be Jesus, the men in white coats should have taken him to the rubber walled rooms right then.
With drawers and drawers filled with edible candy panties.
How'd you get into the Mets' locker room at Shea?
You're assuming people reach an age where they become rational.
I have a looser definition of rational.
Reduce the number. Probably an argument that works. Ouch! stepping unbidden into the late-term punji trap!
at what point does a baby get human rights?
Obama should highlight the fact that the republics don't really care about babies, only the zygotes and fetuses.
He's walking a tightrope here. Doing a pretty honorable job, I think.
Fuck.
Let's reduce unwanted pregnancies? How do we provide the resources to allow women to keep and care for a child.
i can't argue with your core beliefs - but he should have added "but those are YOUR beliefs, we can't pass laws to make everyone follow your beliefs."
now he's speaking out against gay marriage.
Wedge issue nuber two, coming right up.....
ew
Goal is: how do we reduce the number of abortions?
Thanks. I so enjoy being part of your systematic concern. It's done so well by me over the years. How do 'we' reduce the number of abortions?
What's it to you, buddy? How do WE reduce the number of times YOU decide to make babies? Or war for that matter. How do WE keep you from such a desperate path?
Enough. Patronisation is what it is. I've heard enough.
obama is wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG on this issue.
Let's reduce unwanted pregnancies? How do we provide the resources to allow women to keep and care for a child.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Brilliant.
Some clapping in the audience when he says he would not support a Constitutional amendment on marriage.
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Would not support a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage.
Good answer in that he says there's no precedent for marriage in the Constitution.
Enough. Patronisation is what it is. I've heard enough.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
The mistake was showing up.
He's answering this one very, very well.
Oh geez stem cells. Sooooo 2005.
Some clapping in the audience when he says he would not support a Constitutional amendment on marriage.
a pleasant surprise
The mistake was showing up.
Yep.
Like Daniel, he walks into the lions' den. And now the stem cells. Groan. I feel he has precious little to gain from this.
MCacin is going to look like the complete doofus he is in contrast.
How anout talking about the number of babies who die early. Infant mortality is very bad in the US. WHERE ARE THE REPIGS WHEN THE BABY IS BORN?
Why the fuck do we have to submit these guys to interrogations from religious nuts?
WTF has happened to us?
Like Daniel, he walks into the lions' den. And now the stem cells. Groan. I feel he has precious little to gain from this.
blerb
The gain comes when John McCain, whom some people insist on believing is really a moderate, declares that life begins at conception. More than just fundies are watching this.
McCain
I am the doofus.
I have to hand it to him that he has got guts to face down all this shit frontally.
MCacin is going to look like the complete doofus he is in contrast.
Just Another Zero | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 8:33 pm | #
assuming people keep watching that long.
To be candidate one has to espouse his belief in fairytales?
Like Daniel, he walks into the lions' den. And now the stem cells. Groan. I feel he has precious little to gain from this.
blerb
I'm not enjoying watching it, but I still kind of like that he's doing it -- it says "I'm proud of who I am, my values and my vision, and I'll discuss it in front of any audience."
does evil exist?
wtf kind of question is that?
now i've had it.
I am the doofus.
Just Another Zero
Koo koo ka choo
Obama's answer on gay marriage was as compassionate and inclusive as a Christian man who opposes gay marriage personally could give.
impeach it
Sadly, the questions are getting progressively stupider.
McCain is going to answer the evil question by talking about bombing it into submission.
Evil. What is evil?
at what point does a baby get human rights?
The answer is in the question. A baby is a fetus that's been born. So the moment of birth (separation from mother) is when it becomes a baby, and gets rights as a person.
Koo koo ka choo
BlueinColorado
Yellow mattered-custard
He's really trying to push "national humility as a Christian value." Good for him.
"does evil exist?
wtf kind of question is that?
now i've had it."
--dirk gently,
Sorry, I have to 
Pastor Rick is an evil dude.
Obama's answer on gay marriage was as compassionate and inclusive as a Christian man who opposes gay marriage personally could give.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
i'm sorry, but it was as compassionate and inclusive as intelligent design. any time a group of citizens is denied basic civil rights based soley on the religious beliefs of those in charge, it is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
Which Scotus WOULD you not have nominated?
Clarence Thomas.
please say thomas please say thomas
Thomas!
That was a great answer!
let's have a drinking game with McCain. How many questions will he get his POW status in?
Why the fuck do we have to submit these guys to interrogations from religious nuts?
One can blame Obama for that. He walked into the lion's den.
I am, let's say, surprised that Obama is naive enough to have thought he could influence white redneck fundemented assholes.
Pastor Rick has a goatee. That, in and of itself, should prevent questions about "evil".
I learned this watching Star Trek.
please say thomas please say thomas
BlueinColorado | 08.16.08 - 8:37 pm | #
scalia would also have been an acceptable answer.
So will Obama have a similar meeting aired on CNN with the Freedom From Religion Foundation?
Speaking of gay marriage, the one thing that pisses me off about Edwards is how dare he pass judgement on gay marriage.
He also said Scalia sucks.
But Roberts he finds compelling, smart, and thoughtful.
Who's McCain gonna name? Ginsberg? Souter?
The gain comes when John McCain, whom some people insist on believing is really a moderate, declares that life begins at conception. More than just fundies are watching this.
BlueinColorado
I hope so. He is certainly coming across with a lot of intelligence and sensitivity.
He should go after Alito and point out that the concept of the "Unitary Executive" and the basic principle of "checks and balances"
Obama has already conceded the high ground on so many fucking issues from telecom immunity to....
Aw fuck,
He's just another corporate approved candidate.
I am, let's say, surprised that Obama is naive enough to have thought he could influence white redneck fundemented assholes.
billy b
Oh, I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He's saying a lot of the right things for the audience he's talking to without compromising his core principles.
This is a pretty damn good political tightrope walk.
mccain wont know the names of two supreme court justices--other than roberts scalia thomas and alito
Wow, he's being pretty frank about SC jurists. Wouldn't nominate Thomas because he's intellectually weak, wouldn't nominate Scalia because he sucks, wouldn't nominate Roberts because he's confirmed suspicions that he'd give executive too much power.
No complaints here.
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any time a group of citizens is denied basic civil rights based soley on the religious beliefs of those in charge, it is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
FWIW, I agree with you. My opinion was the way in which I wrote that comment.
Speaking of gay marriage, the one thing that pisses me off about Edwards is how dare he pass judgement on gay marriage.
puppethead | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 8:38 pm | #
kucinich was the only one who got it. incidently, a devout catholic who knew how and when to seperate his personal beliefs from public policy.
Damn. Faith-based charities. They are hitting him with everything they've got.
Damn. Faith-based charities. They are hitting him with everything they've got.
blerb
Well, of course.
This is the Fundamentalist Issue Laundry List du jour.
blerb,
McCain will get the exact same questions.
I grew up in a world where there was a clear line between church and state. The first campaign I remember was JFK where his opponents tried to make his religion an issue. What he did was take it out of the mix.
Obama is wallowing in it. I don't give a flying fuck whether and what fiction he believes in, but I care whether he thinks we need to keep this out of our government and governance.
Wow, this is even more tense than watching Olympic gymnastics. I hope he doesn't flub the dismount.
Damn. Faith-based charities. They are hitting him with everything they've got.
blerb
And he is going yard on all of them.
Why the fuck do we have to submit these guys to interrogations from religious nuts?
That's good to hear as I can't watch the nonsense. I value my TV too much.
Thanks again for the toons. Awesome would be an understatement. I will reciprocate on Monday.
Wow, this is even more tense than watching Olympic gymnastics. I hope he doesn't flub the dismount.
blerb
Clarence Thomas
HOMERUN
Education and incarceration.
Why the fuck do we have to submit these guys to interrogations from religious nuts?
WTF has happened to us?
angryspittle
This is what is wrong with this country.
Oh, I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He's saying a lot of the right things for the audience he's talking to without compromising his core principles.
This is a pretty damn good political tightrope walk.
He's also making it crystal clear that he's a christian. And that by itself is a big accomplishment.
.
Obama saying that marriage is a state issue is simply avoiding the implications of the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution.
but vicki, i disagree that it was the best answer he could give as a christian running for president. because his answer was that his faith overrides othe peoples rights. it doesn't have to be that way.
it is a core issue, going way beyond gay marriage. which is why gay marriage is a core issue that transcends homosexuality.
(i know i already said it, haloscan. but you didn't post it)
Let's try this again:
This is a pretty damn good political tightrope walk.
That's good to hear as I can't watch the nonsense. I value my TV too much.
Thanks again for the toons. Awesome would be an understatement. I will reciprocate on Monday.
I'm watching Antiques Roadshow. Not having cable TV is liberating. I feel almost like a television esthete.
The education question is really fucking stupid because you can't expect teachers to raise your fucking kids, PEOPLE.
"Obama is wallowing in it. I don't give a flying fuck whether and what fiction he believes in, but I care whether he thinks we need to keep this out of our government and governance."
--noblejoanie
Can I come sit next to you? I've never seen anything like this in my almost 59 years. Boggles my mind to think this has happened to our country.
McCain will get the exact same questions.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
And the answers are mostly easy for him because fewer of these issues are a wedge for his target constituencies. I guess abortion could get him into trouble, though.
The problem with religion is you can't define or prove it.
It is not a rational basis for deciding anything.
Define rich.
mccain wont know the names of two supreme court justices--other than roberts scalia thomas and alito
peterboy | 08.16.08 - 8:39 pm | #
mccain: taft.
Forty minutes and no question on health care?
"Heal the sick", Pastor Rick?
Boom
Right in the fucking gazoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can I come sit next to you? I've never seen anything like this in my almost 59 years. Boggles my mind to think this has happened to our country.
mer
Started with adding "under God" to the pledge in the fifties and it's been creeping up on us ever since.
/fluffs couch cushions, hands mer the channel changer
Making more than $250,000, then you're doing well.
The problem with religion is you can't define or prove it.
It is not a rational basis for deciding anything.
Thank you very much.
250k is not easy street?
nutty pandering.
question on taxes: define "rich"
holy fuck.
Oh fuck him. $150K a year is "poor"? Not even in fucking Manhattan
So it's the same questions the candidates would get in any other forum?
His tax answer is exactly right. Exactly right.
You want good services? You pay for them.
This is the best our nominee can do? Stammering and stuttering. He's way off his game. This is bad.
So it's the same questions the candidates would get in any other forum?
masculine_monica_nyc |
Even Warren hasn't asked about flag pins.
"rich" is relative. it's the differential that matters.
that's dirk speaking, not obama.
I do think it is shameful that the leaders of churches are having so much influence in our politics. This is not America.
So it's the same questions the candidates would get in any other forum?
masculine_monica_nyc |
Even Warren hasn't asked about flag pins.
BlueinColorado
Yeah, the far-right-wing world view is the same, but the questions are less "gotcha" and the candidates actually get time to answer.
McCain gets a completely separat set of questions, such as
Why is your mother so cute?
Did being a POW alter your life in a positive way?
Why are you and Lieberman so close?
Did you find Christ in that produce aisle?
Started with adding "under God" to the pledge in the fifties and it's been creeping up on us ever since.
And has been a cancer on the presidency (and the rest of the government) since the election of Saint Runny in '80.
I'm still reeling from a "pastor" joshing about 150K being poor. What a dick.
Correction Favre 5-6 48 yds 1 TD
Show of hands; who else thinks Rick Warren looks like a young Jerry Falwell?
McCain gets a completely separat set of questions, such as
no, he will get the same ones.
And has been a cancer on the presidency (and the rest of the government) since the election of Saint Runny in '80.
billy b
Ironically, the first candidate I remember making a big deal out of his faith was Carter.
Why the fuck do we have to submit these guys to interrogations from religious nuts?
WTF has happened to us?
angryspittle
This is what is wrong with this country.
Gomez
But it is where we are. I think there's a certain amount of cooptation that has to take place in order to move on.
Plus, we all know that organized religion has been a resource for positive as well as negative change through our history.
We're a representative democracy. Talk about fairy tales. There's no waving a magic wand and this stuff is gone.
.
It is not a rational basis for deciding anything.
False. It was the organizing principle on which Western Civilization was built. Quit pissing on Judeo-Christian culture like some self-righteous goth kid.
This is the best our nominee can do? Stammering and stuttering. He's way off his game. This is bad.
a very concerned Douchebag
Fondled Your Tits
Especially since pastors don't really create a product. They just peddle BS.
Correction Favre 5-6 48 yds 1 TD
He is the greatest.
Ironically, the first candidate I remember making a big deal out of his faith was Carter.
Gummo | 08.16.08 - 8:48 pm | #
and it pissed me off at the time, even tho i was a xian at the time.
no place for it in the presidency.
question on taxes: define "rich"
Beer queen of Arizona and her boy toy, fer sure.
Obama hasn't mentioned McCain except for referring to the time they worked together.
I'll bet McCain, especially on the tax issue, will make some lameass joke about "my opponent wants to tax our way to prosperity", and it will fall flat
Oh fuck him. $150K a year is "poor"? Not even in fucking Manhattan
BlueinColorado
If he can set the bar at $150k, he gets just about everybody who is part of a constituency of any size. If he fucks everybody above that line in the ass, he still won't piss off that many people. I think it was a good move.
Ironically, the first candidate I remember making a big deal out of his faith was Carter.
He was probably sincere, the others?
It is not a rational basis for deciding anything.
False. It was the organizing principle on which Western Civilization was built
*snort*
Why the fuck do we have to submit these guys to interrogations from religious nuts?
WTF has happened to us?
angryspittle
going in to the belly of the beast
he is actually getting applause, even at gay marriage
These people aren't used to hearing from our side. Going right in there rather than putting his head in the sand.
Go Obama
Toby,
For the last fucking time the fore-fathers did not consider religion when writing the Constitution. They were a bunch of white guys who didn't like being taxed by King George.
Plus, we all know that organized religion has been a resource for positive as well as negative change through our history.
Positive? Really? Such as?
fuck judeo christian culture.
plato didn't need it and neither to i.
We're a representative democracy. Talk about fairy tales. There's no waving a magic wand and this stuff is gone.
.
Sparkle Plenty
Exactly. We're not going away. They're not going away. Nobody's going anywhere. Everyone gets a seat at the table, for better & worse.
Ironically, the first candidate I remember making a big deal out of his faith was Carter.
That's altogether different.
$150,000 is poor? Man, I'd love to be poor by that standard.
For the last fucking time the fore-fathers did not consider religion when writing the Constitution. They were a bunch of white guys who didn't like being taxed by King George.
Monica_A: Dammit
Thanks.
Ironically, the first candidate I remember making a big deal out of his faith was Carter.
He was probably sincere, the others?
jc in ky
That's a tough one. I like him.
ugh, i've just caught a couple minutes of this disgraceful program. what a disappointment to see obama take part in this religious litmus test.
that pastor ick makes me think of some guy with sammy hagar fantasies, but realized his rock n roll dream in front of a pulpit instead. and it turns out to be much more lucrative.
sweet.
Show of hands; who else thinks Rick Warren looks like a young Jerry Falwell?
I was thinking that earlier, he could easily pass as his son.
still won't piss off that many people. I think it was a good move.
blerb
It was Warren who 'joked' that $150K/yr was "poor" in LA
I'll believe McCain will get the same questions when I hear them.
For the last fucking time the fore-fathers did not consider religion when writing the Constitution.
of course they considered it. they considered it so hard they explicitely removed it from political life.
"there shall be no religious test for the presidency" ring a bell?
Just saw Tropic Thunder. Brilliant. Laughed my ass off. Borat had some hilarious spots, but Tropic Thunder was consistently funny.
Warning: some may be offended.
It is not a rational basis for deciding anything.
False. It was the organizing principle on which Western Civilization was built. Quit pissing on Judeo-Christian culture like some self-righteous goth kid.
The exalted Texas oracle doth spaketh.
"Go Obama"
--ErinPDX
I hope you are right.
Show of hands. Who jerked off today?
It's true. He is helping himself here. I guess I'm just not used to having a candidate wgom you can actually count on not to let you down in a tough situation like this. Can you imagine Kerry trying to take on this shit?
fuck judeo christian culture.
plato didn't need it and neither to i.
dirk
I love you, man.
You're probably getting sick of hearing that today what with all the love raining down on you in earlier comments!
The exalted Texas oracle doth spaketh.
We've given it all the consideration it merits, and we've flushed.
and it pissed me off at the time, even tho i was a xian at the time.
no place for it in the presidency.
dirk gently,melancoholic
Me too, and it unleashed a whirlwind the Republicans were much better positioned to ride. [mixed metaphor?]
:terrorist fist bumps: Evening all!
I'm still reeling from a "pastor" joshing about 150K being poor. What a dick.
BlueinColorado
SoCalif and Lake Forest/Orange County (where the audience live) -- 150 k ain't that much. Just pandering.
of course they considered it. they considered it so hard they explicitely removed it from political life.
Better way of explaining what I was trying to say. Thanks, dirk.
It's true. He is helping himself here. I guess I'm just not used to having a candidate wgom you can actually count on not to let you down in a tough situation like this.
I think so, too.
The problem with religion is you can't define or prove it.
It is not a rational basis for deciding anything.
Gomez
That is why the Republicans love it so much.
You're probably getting sick of hearing that today what with all the love raining down on you in earlier comments!
noblejoanie | 08.16.08 - 8:53 pm | #
i've got an umbrella.
emergency plan for orphans?
pre-emptive abortions.
(i wish)
It's true. He is helping himself here. I guess I'm just not used to having a candidate wgom you can actually count on not to let you down in a tough situation like this.
Just like Shaft. John Shaft.
I'm sure the moment Democrats win the evangelical vote in this country republicans will be falling all over themselves to declare that religion has no place in politics.
Show of hands. Who jerked off today?
Gomez
Who didn't?
Bueller?
Maybe BO is helping himself with a group otherwise unsure or unwilling to vote for him.
Me, I have to vote for him so the fact he's gagging me here, prostituting much of what I hold dear about this republic means nothing, not to him, that's for sure.
Religious persecution.
Yuck.
Just like Shaft. John Shaft.
He's a bad mother...
SoCalif and Lake Forest/Orange County (where the audience live) -- 150 k ain't that much. Just pandering.
Deacon Blues |
Sure, I"m not saying it's rich, but it ain't poor
Just like Shaft. John Shaft.
They say that Obama is a bad mother...
has mccain done his session yet.
Mommies?
It was Warren who 'joked' that $150K/yr was "poor" in LA
BlueinColorado
Yes, I got it after saying that. I was out of the room when it was said and so assumed it was Obama. I still think that setting the bar high for what counts as both poor and middle class is a good move in terms of netralizing the typical Republican bleat about how they're going to raise your taxes.
He's talking the Christian code:
bear witness...
I'm sure the moment Democrats win the evangelical vote in this country republicans will be falling all over themselves to declare that religion has no place in politics.
puppethead
Puppethead Johnson is right.
SoCalif and Lake Forest/Orange County (where the audience live) -- 150 k ain't that much. Just pandering.
Deacon Blues
dont buy into that shit. I live here and it just aint so.
you wanna lease two new BMWs?
150k is real money here.
Hmmm..
Abortion bad.
148 million orphans good?
Why the fuck do we have to submit these guys to interrogations from religious nuts?
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I believe the proper term is INQUISITION
I did not like his take on government funding faith-based services. Sorry.
He's talking about walking your talk.
My greatest moral failure is I can't stop eating rich, fatty foods.
And I guess I'm a judgmental prick, too.
But other than that, I can't think of any moral failures since I quit cheating on my wife and showering with my neighbor's son.
Why the fuck do we have to submit these guys to interrogations from religious nuts?
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I believe the proper term is INQUISITION
foolme1ns
So if Obama weighs as much as a duck....
"Why the fuck do we have to submit these guys to interrogations from religious nuts?"
Actually I would like to hear RMJ's thoughts in this process.
It's true. He is helping himself here. I guess I'm just not used to having a candidate wgom you can actually count on not to let you down in a tough situation like this.
I think so, too.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 08.16.08 - 8:53 pm | #
oh, i think he's helping himself. i just disagree with him on some of the central points.
but i don't believe he is pandering. he's been very consistent and he does a good job explaining himself.
I believe the proper term is INQUISITION
foolme1ns |
We've pulled out your fingernails
We've broken your thumbs
No more Mr Nice Guy:
Bring in the nuns!!
Mel Brroks.
The inquisition...da da da...
we are ll hanging in here just to see mcsame try to remember what it says in the bible, and not to drag out his fly-boy mentality of live hard, drink hard, fuck anything that walks.
Obama doesn't need to win the evangelical vote. He needs to get 1/3 of them. McCain is fucked in that case.
We've pulled out your fingernails
We've broken your thumbs
No more Mr Nice Guy:
Bring in the nuns!!
The Inquisition
What A Show
The Inquisition
Here We Go
habeas corpus and opposition to torture gets applause in the Crystal Cathedral
Why the fuck do we have to submit these guys to interrogations from religious nuts?
It's called pandering. Please give me a break.
God damn but I need to take a shower.
(idly thinking that Pastor Warren has not overcome the deadly sin of gluttony.)
Just like Shaft. John Shaft.
He's a bad mother...
Thumper Johnson | 08.16.08 - 8:55 pm | #
we already did the orphans question.
I understand Brett Favre is demanding a gold medal.
Ha ha ha!
You Attaturk, you.
but i don't believe he is pandering. he's been very consistent and he does a good job explaining himself.
dirk gently,melancoholic
Exactly. This is all stuff he's said before. I already know he's a centrist, far to the right of me.
Phelps swims at 10:58 PM.
Why do you want to be president?
You'll note that the crowd clapped loudly at the $150K figure. Whole Lot more expensive to live in socal. 150 = 50 everyplace else
This preacher and his "uh huh, uh huh" is fucking annoying.
I'm listening to Black Sabbath.
Ironic or no?
so the fact he's gagging me here, prostituting much of what I hold dear about this republic means nothing, not to him, that's for sure.
noblejoanie
They're Scylla and you're Charybdis. He knows you're not very likely to eat him this year, so he's going to sail practically right into your maw. Sucks, but what are you going to do? It's the money move.
Why do you want to be president?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
The paycheck and the speaking fees later, baby.
Why do you want to be president?
So I can legally blow through red lights! What... wrong answer?
Evangelical voters are 20% of all registered voters.
These people will never vote for a Democrat.
They have their single issue bullshit and Obama can promise them a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage and that won't change them.
They might not vote for McBombBomb (he's not crazy enough for them) but they will never vote for a Democrat.
Also they're a very small part of the electorate.
I can't understand trying to woo them.
Just leave them out in the desert.
I'm listening to Black Sabbath.
Ironic or no?
billy b
We'll get a ruling from Alanis Morrissette....
Are they going to lower McCain down in a crib?
John McCain should have gone first.
150 = 50 everyplace else
ErinPDX
That's not poor.
i don't believe he is pandering.
Trust me. It's pandering. If I could get 1/2 the fundie vote guaranteed by eating a plate full of dog shit, I'd be grabbing the salt and pepper before you could say amen brother.
Bullshit Mrs. Greenspan.
They're less than 5%.
150 = 50 everyplace else
ErinPDX | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 8:58 pm | #
i interviewed with a job for disney and they wouldn't consider me b/c it only paid $150 and i was making over $100 already. they said i'd never put up with the drop in lifestyle.
"Are they going to lower McCain down in a crib?"
Not enough time. He needed the full measure on the derma stretching unit.
What HBK said.
And he goes airborne....
why not be willing to talk to any group, no matter how wacky they are? Better than letting the swiftboaters do it for him.
We'll get a ruling from Alanis Morrissette....
Dogma was a decent movie. Funny.
God damn, Tony Iommi can play the effing axe.
He's doing a Carter!
That's not poor.
puppethead | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 9:00 pm | #
no, it's not.
but it isn't "rich"
or maybe it is.
like i said earlier, it is all relative and very few people don't think they need to be making a little more than they are.
I grew up in a world where there was a clear line between church and state. The first campaign I remember was JFK where his opponents tried to make his religion an issue. What he did was take it out of the mix.
Obama is wallowing in it. I don't give a flying fuck whether and what fiction he believes in, but I care whether he thinks we need to keep this out of our government and governance.
noblejoanie | 08.16.08 - 8:41 pm | #
What world was that? Are you enjoying life on Planet Earth?
Hey, that was code for "Ask not...."
Pretty good dismount.
That last answer was fantastic. Here comes McBombBomb.
but i don't believe he is pandering. he's been very consistent and he does a good job explaining himself.
dirk gently,melancoholic
Exactly. This is all stuff he's pandered about before.
Trust me. It's pandering. If I could get 1/2 the fundie vote guaranteed by eating a plate full of dog shit, I'd be grabbing the salt and pepper before you could say amen brother.
Barack Obama | 08.16.08 - 9:00 pm | #
nah. it's the same stuff you've always believed.
and you'll do it, too.
Whether we like it or not, people who consider themselves religious vote. I don't think they've learned anything at this forum that they couldn't have learned by reading or watching the debates, but what can you do. Obama has helped himself tremendously, if only that these people see him in a different light (away from Jeremiah Wright).
if any of y'all need me, i'll be at the 10 for the duration of the evening.
hi honeybear...
peace
McCain is wearing lifts
So far... impressed!
.
OK. Here comes the McAnus. He's snarling already.
Exactly. This is all stuff he's pandered about before.
farmed your tenacres | 08.16.08 - 9:02 pm | #
it isn't pandering because it is what he believes and what he wants to do.
make no mistake. he will be a xian president. and xian comes first.
Okay, you all keep me posted on McTaint. I'm gonna watch Primeval
The Great Gazoo is a character from The Flintstones animated series. He first appeared on the show on October 29, 1965. He has many similarities to Mr. Mxyzptlk of the Superman comics, and may have been inspired by him. He is a tiny, green, floating alien, voiced by Harvey Korman, having been exiled to Earth from his home planet Zatox as punishment for having invented a doomsday machine, a weapon of immense destructive power, and was discovered by Fred and Barney when his flying saucer crashed.
rootless-e--I've avoided you and your certainty for quite awhile, but let me take this moment to tell you to shove your self-righteous where the sun don't shine.
NOW you're gonna see some real pandering!
Hey, HBK! I was thinking about you earlier in the week. How are you doing?
Does it cost him anything to even show up here?
Listen to that applause
Degree of difficulty:8.5
Execution: 7.5
(Ignoring the East German and Tr00l scores)
hi fokowi...
Phelps swims at 10:58 PM.
Gomez
Film at 11:00
mccain on after the flea control commercial.
McCain had his hand out and Obama shook Rev Rick's hand first...
Of course, all this pandering could backfire on me because the fungelicals who think I'm an unChristian unAmerican traitor will try to take my answers and spin them against me.
You know, maybe Rick Warren is one of those fungelicals. Damn. Should of thought of that before.
did OB handle the marriage question OK?
Whether we like it or not, people who consider themselves religious vote.
It's not the religious stuff, it's the church stuff. Who are these mega preachers that gives them the right to sit and decide which candidate is worthy?
It's interference by tax-exempt organizations using their lobbying powers to influence political outcomes.
NOW you're gonna see some real pandering!
Gummo | 08.16.08 - 9:04 pm | #
that would be my bet. the ironic thing is, obama has more in common with this audience than mccain.
say jesus christ! say it!
It doesn't cost Obama anything. We're going to vote for him and maybe he picked up a few "undecided voters". How can you seriously be undecided? You either want to get the country back on the right track or you want to go back to the time when science was considered wizardry. It's not that hard!
how long before his vietnam experience comes up?
close.
he said patraeus.
Ha!
McCain says Betrayus. Obama said his wife.
Petrayus!
mcsame has his answers all ready no matter what the questions are.
catch the segues.
#2: john lewis.
pander count: 1
Obama should have said to McCain, "Nice shoes, they make you look taller." Double burn.
And when McCain gets offended, just say "hey, gotta keep your sense of humor."
McCain says Betrayus. Obama said his wife.
The Beer Queen of Central Arizona just cut his allowance in half!
no applause for john lewis, btw.
One of the greatest military leaders in our history? Did he really say that?
Like McCain didn't have these questions ahead of time..
The CEO of EBAY????
Meg Whitman. CEO of E-bay. We need to call on her wisdom and knowledge.
Yeah, nobody more inspirational than a CEO!
EBay!
no applause for #3 either. the founder of ebay.
Now you want pandering? McCain says a main inspiration he'd turn to for advise is Petraeus. Missed the second one, but his third choice is Meg Whitman!?
Sounds like the pump has been well primed.
.
That was 2, not 3
oh, god. mcsame recirculating the lie that lotsa folks make a living off ebay.
move over cheney.
i am surprised that he wouldnt mention his wife ...or try to make jesus make sense cause he lives in all of us.
Just what we need, more Betrayus
Meg Whitman?
and the 1,500,000 people making living off Ebay lie.
You wouldn't believe the awesome Pez dispenser I picked up last week.
Phelps swims at 10:58 PM.
Gomez
Film at 11:00
no applause for #3 either. the founder of ebay.
dirk gently,melancoholic |
Campaign bubble? what bubble? Everyone I know thinks the world of Meg.
C'mon McCain, expand on that a little.
greatest moral failure? makes a joke.
his #1: first marriage
americas: we haven't been perfect but we are still the best there is.
McCain's greatest moral failing is the failure of his first marriage.
America's has been that we have not devoted ourselves to causes greater than our self interests, my friends.
Who inspires you guys? Serious question. Here's my list
1. Husband
2. Mom
3. Son
"My friends"
Take a shot!
Remember Bush singling at a SOTU the woman who founded Baby Einstein? Same thing with the eBay reference.
Um. He should have said his wife.
Just get down and blow him already :blecch:
ootless-e--I've avoided you and your certainty for quite awhile, but let me take this moment to tell you to shove your self-righteous where the sun don't shine.
noblejoanie | 08.16.08 - 9:04 pm | #
My certainty? That's rich coming from you. While you grew up on planet Secular which exists in some zone of your imagination, when I was growing up some of the most famous people I admired were Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, the Berrigan Brothers, Archbishop Romero, Abraham Heschel, and many others.
And from well before my time from when FDR read prayers on the radio to when Bill Clinton and Hillary kissed Billy Graham's ass, religion and politics in America has always been mixed.
What you may mean is that in the good old days we only had polite high protestantism in the public eye.
Rhwanda?
He doesn't love his wife.
"Um. He should have said his wife."
Which one?
John Lewis?
This will come as surprising news to a man McCain has never asked for advice before...
...John Lewis.
"My friends"
Take a shot!
One more alcohol-poisoning incident and the courts are going to get involved. No can do.
Oh, you guys are watching the faith forum. Right.
I'm sitting with my kids, so we're watching Tom & Jerry. Probably just as intellectually stimulating, if Huggy's talking now.
Um. He should have said his wife.
Gomez | 08.16.08 - 9:10 pm | #
he answered that for the greatest moral failure.
Um. He should have said his wife.
She's a trophy cash-cow, not an inspiration.
His first answer just indicates his war mongering status....
He should have said Jerry Lewis or Ray Lewis.
Ghandi inspires me.
You know who else will be pissed they weren't on his advice list?
Lieberman & Graham (the other wives)
oh my! he says he went against his party on torture!
i wonder what he'll answer to the flip-flop question?
now praising reagan.
Leave my Jets ALOOONNNE!
Really guys. Who are your top three inspirations?
Here's the mavericky softball question, ... Reagan CLAPCLAPCLAP Reagan won the cold war without firing a shot
I'm sitting with my kids, so we're watching Tom & Jerry. Probably just as intellectually stimulating, if Huggy's talking now.
Sinfonian,cultural interloper
Obama was as good as you could expect, McCain is making it very clear he will personally fellate everyone in the audience, if only they'll let him.
You made the right choice.
Why do I suspect that somebody fed McCain the questions? Probably not Warren but somebody else who had seen them.
Hell. Joe Louis.
What you may mean is that in the good old days we only had polite high protestantism in the public eye.
A much better choice than the current frequency calling the tune.
Reagan is just the best ever...blah blah blah
war monger war monger war monger
Pander "Reagan was one of the great great presidents in our history" pander, pant, pant.
Applause.
.
He didn't say spilling his guts to the enemy about troops movements and locations was his moral failure?
McCain's greatest moral failing is the failure of his first marriage.
America's has been that we have not devoted ourselves to causes greater than our self interests, my friends.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 08.16.08 - 9:10 pm
didn't even finalise his divorce before getting that second marriage license.
B-I-G-A-M-I-S-T
though I doubt Rick Warren will ask about that. Republican adultery and golddigging greed aren't sins according to Republican Jesus.
Lotsa love from the audience.
I think I'll find something to do that's a little more productive.
And the ghost of The Gipper rears its head.
rev warren has to explain the next question.
Thanks, Gummo.
That summary is good enough for me.
How can you seriously be undecided? You either want to get the country back on the right track or you want to go back to the time when science was considered wizardry. It's not that hard!
Monica_A: Dammit!
Well, that's the way we see it, anyway. But If I avoided all the people I know who harbor irrational beliefs of one kind or another, I'd have a hell of a lot fewer friends.
Off shore drilling. Blow me, old man.
We gotta drill now we gotta drill here AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!
Drill. Drill. Drill
Mccain is rapidly convincing me that the only thing he respects as having weight is anything Military. Civilians, well they can suck lemons.
flip flop: drilling
drill now!!!!
What position has he changed? Drilling. Here. Now.
Big applause.
.
a very concerned Douchebag
Fondled Your Tits
Just Another Zero
Well played, sir. (golf clap)
Ew, he flogged the offshore drilling dolphin in a discussion about spirituality! That's disgusting. And it got a big hand!
Mccain is rapidly convincing me that the only thing he respects as having weight is anything Military.
funny, military folks have been giving to obama much more than mccain
seguey without seguey
At least he doesnt say nucular.
Yea, lets drill in the Grand Canyon, right now.
Drill. Drill. Drill
____league
is this about that lobbyist?
We gotta drill now we gotta drill here AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!
Deacon Blues | 08.16.08 - 9:14 pm
really? In southern cal they want to drill? don't they understand what that means for their beaches?
Here's a summary of the differences between the candidates from an evangelical perspective. Or at least as one might imagine it to be, if they weren't all batshit crazy.
my friends! makes joke about france being our friend for the first time ever.
Oil Good
Nucular Good
France Bad
Obama was as good as you could expect, McCain is making it very clear he will personally fellate everyone in the audience, if only they'll let him.
heh. That's their boy.
The only thing I can see this "forum" accomplishes is that it makes Rick Warren a player.
A slimy opportunist. Check your digits to make sure they're all there after you shake hands with this snake oil salesman and repackager of homilies made famous by Bazooka Joe.
Ick.
i missed Obama but McCaine seems to be killing the room
Here we go.
Obama put his answers in a political context and stayed away from stump lines.
McCain's using them to insert talking points from the stump.
Quite a difference in approach.
.
POW Status at 1812 hrs PDT
"Hey, did ya know I was a POW?"
Oh, geez... here's the reluctant POW story!
.
Oh fuck him. $150K a year is "poor"? Not even in fucking Manhattan
BlueinColorado | 08.16.08 - 8:45 pm | #
That qualifies as middle class in Manhattan.
Gut wrenching decision. Long ago in a prison camp in N. Vietnam, my dad was a high ranking admiral, and the Vietnamese said that I could leave early.
He turned it down...
vietnam!!!!
his "gut wrenching choice" was not letting the gooks release him.'
not the decision to share secrets.
For god so loved the world that he turned his beloved dinosaurs into oil and as stewards of god's earth, my friends, it's our duty to recover every last bit of it.
i missed Obama but McCaine seems to be killing the room
focus, lost in words
Yup.
i missed Obama but McCaine seems to be killing the room
focus, lost in words | 08.16.08 - 9:15 pm | #
Meaning people look dead?
He does not even pause after the question. Any of them. Gut wrenching decision question now. Immediate POW response. He knows what is coming.
Check your digits to make sure they're all there after you shake hands with this snake oil salesman and repackager of homilies made famous by Bazooka Joe.
"Mccain is rapidly convincing me that the only thing he respects as having weight is anything Military.
funny, military folks have been giving to obama much more than mccain"
Just to clarify, what I mean is he has no common ground with someone not military. He grew up in the military, his lens is only set to that world, good or bad. The rest is confusing I bet.
That qualifies as middle class in Manhattan.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Explains why I live in Brooklyn.
Wow, it took him 11 minutes to get to his POW stories. What self-control! What humility! What humbleositude!
the vietnamese couldn't make him go. not the mighty mccain!
The only thing I can see this "forum" accomplishes is that it makes Rick Warren a player.
A slimy opportunist. Check your digits to make sure they're all there after you shake hands with this snake oil salesman and repackager of homilies made famous by Bazooka Joe.
Ick.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
This part I agree with you about. Lots of folks wanting to be the next Billy Graham out there.
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$150K is pretty tight if you have kids and want a middling house in Walnut Creek. We're more or less hand-to-mouth with just a bit more than that.
CAN YOU SAY HOME RUN MCCAIN ??
Are we going into the opponents stadium and asking them to root for us?
Mccain is rapidly convincing me that the only thing he respects as having weight is anything Military. Civilians, well they can suck lemons.
The irony is McCain, from everything I've read, was the type of officer that the enlisted fantasize about fragging.
Wow, it took him 11 minutes to get to his POW stories. What self-control! What humility! What humbleositude!
Gummo
But, but . . . the mscm keeps telling me he doesn't like to talk about that.
.
CAN YOU SAY RUN HOME MCCAIN ??
jack
Reordered for reality.
McStain is getting way bigger applause, and what he's saying is mostly pure buttgas. Sometimes America really pisses me off.
no.
but I can say
fuck off jack
Is McCain wearing lifts in his shoes? He was just on stage standing next to the 6'2" Rick Warren and 6'1" Obama, and looked to only be marginally shorter than them. Being 5'8" myself, I know how much shorter I am than my >6' buddies. McCain's shorter than me, but sure didn't look it just now.
i for one do not believe the core of the prison release "offer" story. it just does not make sense to me.
Is McCain getting asked the same questions? From what I'm reading here, it doesn't sound like it.
it's our duty to recover every last bit of it.
SteveLG | 08.16.08 - 9:16 pm
except the parts we dump on beaches and waterfowl and sea mammals. that part isn't so important to recover, cuz it costs too much and might dent our sacred Mobil/Exxon's profits.
This part I agree with you about. Lots of folks wanting to be the next Billy Graham out there.
Graham has the ablity to transcend, to an extense, the oilyiness that vermin like Robertson, Dobson, and his own son exude.
You cannot trust these men. They are con men. They prey on the gullible and trusting. They are pure slime.
I saved a whole school bus, once. Y'know... kids?
.
Who did not think McCain's camp would not insist on the questions before hand. Of course he had them in advance.
McStain is getting way bigger applause, and what he's saying is mostly pure buttgas. Sometimes America really pisses me off.
blerb
Remember who's in the audience: Fundies in Orange County. Guaranteed Republic crowd.
The only thing I can see this "forum" accomplishes is that it makes Rick Warren a player.
A slimy opportunist.
that's exactly what this is about. a transfer of evangelical power from the dobson crowd to pastor rick. this little shindig tonite makes ricky a playa -- dobson, perkins et al are sidelined.
McStain is getting way bigger applause, and what he's saying is mostly pure buttgas. Sometimes America really pisses me off.
blerb | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 9:19 pm | #
he didn't get a single applaw when he said he'd listen to john lewis.
sometimes america really pisses me off.
er, extent.
Simels regrets the error, as does Michael Phelps.
Is McCain wearing lifts in his shoes?
Stylish pumps.
.
hey walnut creek--
what kind of cars you driving and how many times a month do you drop $100 on dinner?
and the vacation?
150k is real money and if you find it tight it is cause you dont know what tight is.
MCCAIN HITTING THE COVER OFF EVERY BALL PITCHED AT HIM
Heartland Questions.
:blecch:
McStain is getting way bigger applause, and what he's saying is mostly pure buttgas. Sometimes America really pisses me off.
blerb
The thing I find most admirable about the faithful is their deep questioning of things and how much they rely on their own opinions when making important decisions.
Is McCain getting asked the same questions? From what I'm reading here, it doesn't sound like it.
mer
Same questions.
Obama answered them thoughtfully and seriously.
McCain is reciting his standard campaign spin points.
Well, that's the way we see it, anyway. But If I avoided all the people I know who harbor irrational beliefs of one kind or another, I'd have a hell of a lot fewer friends.
blerb | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 9:13 pm | #
I'm a Cubs fan, who's long clung to the idea that someday, somehow, the Cubs will win the Series. My friends consider that an irrational belief.
"the vietnamese ..."
mcsame....finds segue after segue to canned answers.
obama had a conversation. or made it at least look like one.
mcsame
pow pow pow pow
why does that questioner keep bringing up Vietnam?
More Vietnamese stories.
Good God.
I wonder if any vets out there are seeing this, and if they're disgusted by the disclosure.
Remember who's in the audience: Fundies in Orange County. Guaranteed Republic crowd.
Deacon Blues
True. I shouldn't despair about America just because of what those people in that room think. It's just so stark, the difference in the qaulity of these two men, and it viscerally hurts me to see McCain get more acclaim from anybody with his abject lameness.
Hee hee. Bazooka Joe.
Second POW reference follows in under five minutes
Okay, I've seen enough.
I am more surprised at the applause and reception Obama got. It was very good in it's own right.
I had expected silence or near so.
why does that questioner keep bringing up Vietnam?
So Huggy Bear can talk about something he's so shy about discussing, his Vietnam experience.
Ah, Mrs. Gummo has given up on this nonsense. Thank ALL the gods and goddesses.
G'night, all.
"Wahh wahh wahhh, I had to spend xtian day in prison."
if kkkarl was running the OB campaign he would go right at the POW thing.
I'm thinking he was prompted, indeed. He's too rehearsed.
mcsame....finds segue after segue to canned answers.
obama had a conversation. or made it at least look like one.
yup. good observation.
mccain now describing an apocrophyl story about his xian guard when he was being tortured.
now the Christian guard story.
PLEASE ASK HIM ABOUT TORTURE NOW!!!!!!
(wipes spittle from monitor)
Ironically, the first candidate I remember making a big deal out of his faith was Carter.
That's altogether different.
billy b | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 8:51 pm | #
In what way?
True. I shouldn't despair about America just because of what those people in that room think. It's just so stark, the difference in the qaulity of these two men, and it viscerally hurts me to see McCain get more acclaim from anybody with his abject lameness.
blerb
Dear CNN,
Thank you for lowering the bar enough for that fake fuck McCain to slime over it.
Fuck you very much.
America.
The thing I find most admirable about the faithful is their deep questioning of things and how much they rely on their own opinions when making important decisions.
puppethead
Heh! That's some high-quality snark right there.
"From the moment of conception." I don't remember ever believing that.
That SCOTUS thing from McCain, was that a "tell" that he knows the questions?
Marriage--union between one man and one woman. Sequentially is okay, a little overlap, well, that's what forgiveness is for.
The room applauds, McAsshole, but America boos. You have been pwn3d.
150k is just a boring professional salary. It's what people get paid after they attend university for 6-8 years. These people have a little bit bigger house, maybe a time-share vacation home and boat, the ability to pay for their kids to go to college, and maybe an extra car but they work just as hard or even harder than everyone else. If they quit their job tomorrow they would have nothing. This is income, not wealth. They are not rich.
Carter may have brought up religion because he's a Baptist minister. In the 70s (when people were somewhat rational) that was a big deal. Kennedy had to go through the same thing.
Obama was prepped by Warren or somebody on the adoption thing, so get a grip.
I'm thinking he was prompted, indeed. He's too rehearsed.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 08.16.08 - 9:23 pm | #
i think peterboy is right on. i mean, he knew the marriage and abortion questions but the rest are just openings for canned response.
wait, he just got a question obama didn't get.
but he did ask when they were going to get to the scotus question.
He's getting big applause on pro-life answers but not the entire audience, I don't think.
Not that it may not be the position of everyone there, but sounds like some of them aren't that fervent about it.
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I was going to vote McCain, until this "Toby Petzold" (is that some fictional reference) steered me to Obama.
I am more surprised at the applause and reception Obama got. It was very good in it's own right.
I had expected silence or near so.
EkCenTriK
Obama wins by showing up.
That SCOTUS thing from McCain, was that a "tell" that he knows the questions?
Not sure. Maybe.
Obama wins by showing up.
Deacon Blues
With whom? Seriously.
beverage to Dirk. (Who must be a much faster typist than I am since his answer was also much longer)
he didn't get a single applaw when he said he'd listen to john lewis.
sometimes america really pisses me off.
dirk gently,melancoholic
wait till he mentions Rush ...
mcsame wins if he doesnt leave early.
if kkkarl was running the OB campaign he would go right at the POW thing.
peterboy | 08.16.08 - 9:23 pm
Leave John McAint aloooooone. he doesn't like to talk about his time as a POW. :-P
but he did ask when they were going to get to the scotus question.
dirk gently,melancoholic
He said "get back to it", only they hadn't gone there yet.
Is McCain answering questions about stem cell research, abortion...like Obama did? I'm not watching, but I get the sense that he isn't.
McCain: Us in the Pro-Life Community?
defeat evil?
gates of hell.
My teevee is dark but I can guaranfuckintee you that McBombBomb was prepped.
See my Rick Warren is slime comment above.
McCain's answers don't seem to have anything about religion. Are you sure he is getting tmhe same questions?
In what way?
Carter's no fundemented asshole.
You know exactly what I'm talking about.
If I have to follow bin Laden to the gates of hell THE CROWD GOES WILD!!!
Jesus,
McCain is a fuck. He's like a high school football coach at a pep rally.
Our trolls' fall wardrobe:
http://www.radaronline.com/
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With whom? Seriously.
noblejoanie
With America. McEvil thinks he's done well by getting support from this uber-friendly audience. Meanwhile all of America watches and is taken aback.
That SCOTUS thing from McCain, was that a "tell" that he knows the questions?
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 9:25 pm
Ya think this isn't scripted?
Is McCain answering questions about stem cell research, abortion...like Obama did? I'm not watching, but I get the sense that he isn't.
mer | 08.16.08 - 9:27 pm | #
yeah same questions. answers are prepared applause lines.
mcsame--a question about evil is a question about international politics.
to obama it was about daily struggles and the moral rights we need to fix at home.
and another use of a question by mcsame to a canned answer.
with mcsame you get a military automaton and playboy.
So they were motherfucking running out of ideas that motherfucking particular fucking day.
McCain: Us in the Pro-Life Community?
Pro-Life = Pro-Torture.
Damn, crazy Uncle John is telling his shopworn old Vietnam stories again. Can you imagine how much fun he is at Thanksgiving dinners?
Good God the blood lust makes his spittle and stutter
mccain: iraq is the battlefield against evil. and we are winning.
"He's like a high school football coach at a pep rally."
Pretty good description.
Troops will come home in honor and victory, not in defeat!
He's turning this into a war referendum.
Is McCain answering questions
Only for about the first 10 words.
Carter's no fundemented asshole.
You know exactly what I'm talking about.
billy b | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 9:28 pm | #
No I don't. I found Carter's smarmy piety offensive - him and Zbig were really doing God's work in Iran and Afghanistan.
Obama was prepped by Warren or somebody on the adoption thing, so get a grip.
Yer grippin' yer gherkin.
Betwixt yer thumb and forefinger.
i'm certain that any of the last three Democratic Presidential contenders would have also agreed to participate in this thing. no doubt in my mind. Yes, it is pandering but shows strength. I want fighting Dems who are not scaredy cats.
Leave John McAint aloooooone. he doesn't like to talk about his time as a POW. :-P
Tom - 大肚腩
that was so disgusting.
mccain, panderer in chief.
Ya think this isn't scripted?
Tom - 大肚腩
Nope. It sure looks like it was. How many days till the "revelation" when someone checks the memory on the fax machine.
which justice would you not have nominated?
ginsberg, breyer, souter and stevens.
all four of them.
SC Justices: Ginsburg, Breyer, Souter, and Stevens. YOu know, activist liberals.
Ginsberg, Breyer, Souter, and Stevens
With whom? Seriously.
noblejoanie
With America. McEvil thinks he's done well by getting support from this uber-friendly audience. Meanwhile all of America watches and is taken aback.
blerb
I sincerely hope you're right.
No I don't. I found Carter's smarmy piety offensive - him and Zbig were really doing God's work in Iran and Afghanistan.
Fuck you.
Huggy Bear, or Pander Bear?
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Not legislating from the bench THE CROWD GOES WILD!
Obama is vastly more facile at this stuff than McCain.
McCain's so canned that he comes out in the shape of a cylinder.
McStain goes for the all-fascits SCOTUS! Boooooooo!!!!!!!
McCain: 4 of the justices on the supreme court are a piece of shit. Thank you.
Nope. It sure looks like it was. How many days till the "revelation" when someone checks the memory on the fax machine.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09
McCain probably said he wouldn't do it unless he was given the questions ahead of time.
No I don't. I found Carter's smarmy piety offensive - him and Zbig were really doing God's work in Iran and Afghanistan.
What are you talking about? Are you forgetting it was Reagan in charge when Iran and Afghanistan came into the limelight?
What network is carrying the football game?
alito and roberts are his favorites, he thinks they uphold the constitution.
are you listening, PUMAs?
Loves Roberts and Alito
As an atheist, I probably fit the audience's definition of evil. Which means that in their ideal America, I'm either in exile or in a concentration camp.
Like Reagan, Bush I and Chimpy, I'm betting that McStain goes to church only if and when it's seen to be a good photo op.
f-a-s-c-i-s-t
mcsame--a question about evil is a question about international politics.
to obama it was about daily struggles and the moral rights we need to fix at home.
and another use of a question by mcsame to a canned answer.
with mcsame you get a military automaton and playboy.
peterboy | 08.16.08 - 9:28 pm
after 8 years of the mainstream corporate media telling Merkins about skurry muslims and existential threats and USA USA USA, is it any wonder that OC Fundies want to see evil incarnate as skurry furriners?
"strictly adhering to the constitution."
give me a fuck'n break.
/john stossel/ off
See how it plays out. You know how it will.
alito and roberts are his favorites, he thinks they uphold the constitution.
are you listening, PUMAs?
dirk gently,melancoholic | 08.16.08 - 9:31 pm | #
They stopped listening a while ago.
i thought he had a birthday cake on the tarmac with bushboy after katrina.
God, I miss my XBox at moments like this.
Shit, I'll take an Atari 2600, even.
McCain does know how to pander to whatever audience he's in front of.
When he's awake.
But it is kinda transparent that he's just telling these people what he thinks they want to hear.
Also, fuck Rick Warren for pitching all these lame, idiotic questions.
McCain's answers don't seem to have anything about religion. Are you sure he is getting tmhe same questions?
sally
He is. He just takes the question and uses it to launch into some stump speech spiel.
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What network is carrying the football game?
Suzie Kidnap | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 9:31 pm | #
CBS.
Ginsberg, Breyer, Souter, and Stevens
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Jesus Fucking Christ. And he wants to be president. He just solidified himself as "Bush pt. II, The Evil Years"
The Baptists didn't hold his head under water long enough.
... and he drops a mention that he is a Baptist now, till the election is over.
It feels like they used BO as a prop to make McCain look better with their adherents. BO and Pastor Warren making nice, sharing dialogue, then bring in the redmeat.
He wants America's hand all the way up your vagina.
Oh fuck. I need a drink, or five.
What are you talking about? Are you forgetting it was Reagan in charge when Iran and Afghanistan came into the limelight?
Monica_A: Dammit! | 08.16.08 - 9:31 pm | #
Zbig has boasted about luring the Russians into Afghanistan and starting US support of the "mujadeen". And the US under Carter supported Savak and the Shah until they fell- the Embassy was seized while Carter was in office.
Reagan's criminal activities were far worse, of course.
I'm not watching, but I get the sense that he isn't.
You one of them hippies what don't believe in The TV?
Ginsberg, Breyer, Souter, and Stevens
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Jesus Fucking Christ. And he wants to be president. He just solidified himself as "Bush pt. II, The Evil Years"
Tread | 08.16.08 - 9:32 pm | #
Did he really say that? I can't watch ...
By the way, that's not clapping you hear after McCain's rahrah bullshit.
It's the sound of half the people in the audience whacking off.
Wasn't Katrina the pivot revealing the total destruction of response agencies (cough FEMA) since Bushco took over?
Jesus Fucking Christ. And he wants to be president. He just solidified himself as "Bush pt. II, The Evil Years"
And the question was 3, not 4.
mccain: break the backs of the unions!
stump speech.
And, might I add, fuck CNN for elevating this douchebaggery to the level they have.
Zbig has boasted about luring the Russians into Afghanistan and starting US support of the "mujadeen". And the US under Carter supported Savak and the Shah until they fell- the Embassy was seized while Carter was in office.
Fuck you.
PUMA = DINO.
They're probably worse than the Naderites. And they won't get any forgiveness from me.
You're answering so quickly
choice and competition
choice and competition
choice and competition
We hate the fucking public schools and the teachers unions
i thought he had a birthday cake on the tarmac with bushboy after katrina.
peterboy
Those photos are all photoshopped!!!!!one11!! /wingnut
Carter "smarmy"?
And since he came in third or fourth of his class his knows what bad teachers are.
Thank you so much, Brooklyn Girl.
John McCain sodomized my Loatian mother while fucking his American mother.
Ronald Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot.
he wants every american to have the same choice in schools he and cindy had for their kids.
LIAR.
or, totally deluded nitwit.
If you want to send your kids to private school, you're not going to do it on my dime. Home-schooling does not work.
I am sure the McCain's had difficulty in choosing which school their children would attend. Pathetic.
I'm not religious, but I have faith that even with this bonus applause track, McStain is not making the hay he thinks he is with the American electorate. This was a sucker play for him, to have it on ABC.
SC Justices: Ginsburg, Breyer, Souter, and Stevens. YOu know, activist liberals.
Deacon Blues
Poppy Bush is still kicking himself in the ass over Souter.
Fuck you.
billy b | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 9:34 pm | #
Zbignew is a creep.
choice and competition
nuclear power
kill osama
conception
man/woman
everyone gets same opportunity--the oppty depending on their bank account.
He's talking about opportunities, but you can't give opportunities if you don't fund the programs.
And, might I add, fuck CNN for elevating this douchebaggery to the level they have.
Seraphiel
I'm not even watching and am completely appalled.
I think I'd have a hemorrhage if I were watching it.
so, is mccain for raising taxes to the level that every school has the same budget his kids $75k/year elementary school went to?
"... and I don't want to hear your stump speech on education..." I don't
think it was Warren who fed him the questions. If Warren was honest when he said that McCain was in a "cone of silence" he must be thinking about who on his staff leaked.
choice and competition
nuclear power
kill osama
conception
man/woman
everyone gets same opportunity--the oppty depending on their bank account.
peterboy
And an appointment to Annapolis for everyone.
Middle class to rich...
Rich should be defined by a home, a good job, etc...I want everyone to get rich.
Yup
McCain: Rich is ???
PUMA = DINO.
They're probably worse than the Naderites. And they won't get any forgiveness from me.
Tralfaz | 08.16.08 - 9:34 pm
Not even.
PUMA = Republican concern trolls, a jack sockpuppet saying it's a Democrat, but...
I wonder why the game wasn't listed on the online NFL Preseason schedule?
"i don't want to take money from the rich, i want everyone to be rich"
sorry, you don't understand the concept of "rich"
GIVE UP ALL YOUR MILLIONS THEN, ASSHOLE!!!
Public schools are failing because of the subhumans who drop their squeezings off on the rest of us and do nothing to instill discipline at home.
Fuck libtard edu-crats.
is little ricky going to let him duck the "define rich with a number" question....
$5 million.
"so, is mccain for raising taxes to the level that every school has the same budget his kids $75k/year elementary school went to?"
--dirk gently
Of course not.
Meanwhile all of America watches and is taken aback.
More of america is watching a sporting event of one stripe or another than is watching the Steeplechase Quiz Show.
Rich starts at $5 million
I gots me a name-stealer.
rooty - zat choo?
Rich is $5 Mil. Ha Ha Ha...
at what point does a baby get human rights?
Zygotes, blastocysts, embryos and fetuses are not babies.
The woman's rights come first.
I think I'd have a hemorrhage if I were watching it.
Me too.
Dallas at Denver for me.
mccain: break the backs of the unions!
I'm old enough to remember when Christianity was all about helping those less fortunate than yourself.
My fundie co-workers' biggest mission is to keep halfway houses from opening in her neighborhood.
She even campaigned against a house for battered women.
I loathe her.
And those of us without children?
What about a cat credit?
spent money on the war....
10 billion a month
My friends. My friends.
thinks better of it. declines to answer and says we have to keep taxes low.
not answering question. talking about study on bears.
You are still ugly, and my friend you are still going to die soon.
Public schools are failing because of the subhumans who drop their squeezings off on the rest of us and do nothing to instill discipline at home
Just because your dad got drunk all the time and beat the crap out of you doesn't mean you should with that on everybody else.
he don't know it's a damn joke, he thinks it's a damn fight ...
Public schools are failing because of the subhumans who drop their squeezings off on the rest of us and do nothing to instill discipline at home.
Fuck libtard edu-crats.
here's hoping this troll never breeds.
Our whole family can't stand Toby
Via a commenter at Sinfonian's place this morning, here's an article from Phillip Butler, a fellow Vietnam War POW of McMaverick's who will NOT be voting for him. It was an interesting perspective, one that gets little airing (same as usual).
As you might expect, there was much displeasure in comments over there.
Congress sucks
Cut spending
Don't raise taxes
Cut taxes
Fuck the teachers unions
Drill drill drill
I don't see John turning down those pay raises by refusing his checks.
Like listening to an old man bitch about taxes and the Vietnam War?
Vote for McCain.
McCain is going to pay for $7,000 tax credits by cutting out DNA research on bears.
it doesn't matter who is rich. i don't want anyone to pay taxes. i want unicorns and butterflies to come out of everyone's ass.
well, maybe not unicorns.
Just because your dad got drunk all the time and beat the crap out of you doesn't mean you should with that on everybody else.
blerb
Please don't entertain that dumb fuck. And don't copy and paste his shit either, those of us with killfile thank you.
More of america is watching a sporting event of one stripe or another than is watching the Steeplechase Quiz Show.
masculine
The evangelicals are watching or will with TiVo. That's who they're talking to tonight.
Okay, and a few of us blog junkies.
Fuck you.
billy b | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 9:34 pm | #
Hey, if I'm wrong on the facts, just explain how and I'll be happy to apologize.
Senator McCain is awesome tonight. This is unbelievable. Obama is in deep shit debating this man this Fall
little ricky failed the test. never asked him to define rich.
Tough to fucking do, when you're still fucking dead.
Generally, when someone has to say "I can inspire, and I can lead," that person can't.
Jack has been huffing the silver paint again.
Not even.
PUMA = Republican concern trolls, a jack sockpuppet saying it's a Democrat, but...
Tom
Well, as people were discussing here this afternoon. At least one regular from here now has a PUMA blog. People like that are who I was referring to.
little ricky failed the test. never asked him to define rich.
peterboy | 08.16.08 - 9:39 pm | #
no, no. he answered.
no one is rich.
John McCain thinks the dividing line between rich and middle class is $5 million/yr.
SHEETS
if he couldn't ask Obama, maybe he should not ask McCaine ...
Got that strained, manic McSane vibe going strong, though, 'ya gotta admit.
fuck off jack
Not content to run this tonight, Larry King will keep it alive on Monday interviewing Pastor Happy Talk.
My fundie co-workers' biggest mission is to keep halfway houses from opening in her neighborhood.
She even campaigned against a house for battered women.
I loathe her.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
Shelters for battered women - don't these fundie fucks believe that interferes with a male's right to force his "authority" on his family?
Authority meaning beating the shit out of the wife and kids.
owls!!!!!!
gotta go.
this guy is going to keep reciting his stump speeches.
love you, my bats
Oh, he's been going for 35 minutes now, he's gonna mix up one of his canned responses before too long.
McCain is going to pay for $7,000 tax credits by cutting out DNA research on bears.
____league | 08.16.08 - 9:39 pm | #
and those $7,000 in tax credits will pay $75000/year private school tuitions.
The fact that Zbigniew Brzezinksi advises Obama really bothers me. I loathe the whole foreign policy as great game thing.
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little ricky failed the test. never asked him to define rich.
peterboy
He did ask him. McCain did his usual nonanswer.
The stupid, it burns.
I'm getting wood watching John McCain. I need help
s h e e t
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Please don't entertain that dumb fuck. And don't copy and paste his shit either, those of us with killfile thank you.
Tread
Tread? Never seen that nym before So who are you to put on airs and tell me what I can and cannot post? I'll taunt the fuckin' trool if it pleases me, and if you don't like it you can killfile me and see if I care. Nyah!
Someone need to put this old fuck out to pasture.
The evangelicals are watching or will with TiVo. That's who they're talking to tonight.
I agree. I think the intended audiences are the self-described communities of evangelicals plus the media. It serves as an opportunity for Obama to distance himself from the "secular left," who would be watching, I guess, if they're campaign junkies -- I mean, if they existed as a bloc, at all.
fear for his nominations to our Supreme Court, and the consequent continuing loss of individual freedoms, especially regarding moral and religious issues. John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he hates that man. He disingenuously and famously put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other instances, I don't see that John is the "straight talk express"
john mccain, panderer in chief.
actually, much to my surprise, i think he might be worse than bush.
Where is Joe Lieberman? Where is Lindsay Grahm? My friends are gone. Oh wait, I sent them to Georgia. Okay, now my second wife,Cindy, has something special to say. We must destroy Russia and Asia. Therefore, we must destroy China and Russia. Bad Cindy, Bad Cindy.
McCain: I am very saddened that Russia has decided to take Georgia which is a Christian nation. Therefore, we must destroy not only Russia but China as my wife pointed out earlier.
McCain says we should respect the trritorial integrity of Russia.
Then corrects himself.
I only watched the cross-over & hand-shake, which the Fox news swisher called the "money shot"!
W/o having watched a moment, I can tell you that this will be portrayed as a 'McC win, BHO in trouble' event all week. Waste of time to watch &/or participate.
BTW, speaking of faith, i'm watching Fins-Jags, & both Chad Penny & Chad Henny looked good. God help me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6...h?v=6IMg7fB-
KMY
Saakashvilli eats his tie
McCain said "well over 100 marines were killed" in the Beirut barracks bombing. That's true, but the number was 240, which is pretty hard to forget. How come he did?
Dead thread. Upstairs
Favre looked old as fuck in the post game conference
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