I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Awesome.
ewesome
Impeach!
(yes, I'm taking another break from painting)
Sheepsome?
goatsome
I always expressed my belief in the rentership society.
Livestocksome?
ungulatesome
The percentage of households headed by homeowners, which soared to a record 69.1 percent in 2005
no one could have predicted ...
zebrasome!
~
ruminantsome
eukaryotesome
Hey...I managed to buy a vacant, shit house during this market. Why don't folks pull up their bootstraps?
Pawnership society, bitches!
Wapitisome!
(for Zap)
Janesvillesome!
Pawnership society, bitches!
War On War Off
Corrorlary: Ownershit society.
Swordfishsome!!
(for Roadie)
"Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) Set To Make Public Apology To Haditha Marines..."
Heh.
Lubyanka |
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“Kill Everybody”
http://www.infowars.com/?p=2792
peccaryinfeces-some!
~
elandsome
Swordfishsome!!
(for Roadie)
Zap Rowsdower...True Story!
Good times.
How's things at the terminus of river shipping?
What's the going rate for a cardboard box?
The percentage of households headed by homeowners, which soared to a record 69.1 percent in 2005, fell to 67.8 percent this year, the sharpest decline in 20 years, according to census data through the end of March.
Where's Soaring Patriotic Eagle when you need him?
penguinsome
The rentership society.
Peeps, sorry for the topic interruption (unusual, I know 
) but do any of you get Lyme disease innoculations? My Mom just told me she had to get treated for it this month, and then I just read a gruesome first-person account in the Philadelphia Weekly which got me to thinking. Never got one til now.
What's the going rate for a cardboard box?
The property taxes will kill you.
The property taxes will kill you.
They will in Milwaukee.
(Repeat from below
The general public doesn't understand a thing about the FISA bill. They've been misled completely by the administration and the media. They need to be educated and right now they don't know dick about it.
sue
20 percent of the public believes that the sun revolves around the earth.
Good luck with an "education campaign." Oooh, look! Mike Meyers movie! Celebrate the stoopit!
How's things at the terminus of river shipping?
Quiet. Zapette's coming home on Wednesday. And I've been painting the bathroom. And nobody could have predicted the shitty company that I work for would suck...
Marcellina-
Have her get it. I have had lyme disease two times. It has bizarre opportunistic chronic effects.
The very rich seem to have forgotten certain unpleasant lessons from the past...
The property taxes will kill you.
They will in Milwaukee.
Ralphie
Just made a visit to City Hall yesterday for my late ma's old place.
Cities need more federal shared revenue - 'cuz I don't have any more revenue to share with the cities myself.
Thinking of it for myself, leibniz, as I'm going to be home in PA in the woods, and then in NH and Vermont in the woods...
Where's Soaring Patriotic Eagle when you need him?
Concern trolling under another screen name in the last thread.
And nobody could have predicted the shitty company that I work for would suck...
Zap Rowsdower...True Story
Ummmmm...Dare I ask deets?
'cuz I don't have any more revenue to share with the cities myself.
I'm runnin on empty myself.
Looking at the first sentence in the article...you know...a perfectly good word like "surge" has been ruined for a long time to come.
Cities need more federal shared revenue - 'cuz I don't have any more revenue to share with the cities myself.
LGA has gone to shit under this administration.
Biggest part of why property taxes are going up.
Marcellina,
Good idea.
Glenn Greenwald (a FAN of Obama, please note) _______________________________
Barack Obama got around to issuing a statement and -- citing what he calls "the grave threats that we face" -- he just announced that he supports this warrantless eavesdropping and telecom amnesty "compromise":
Given the grave threats that we face, our national security agencies must have the capability to gather intelligence and track down terrorists before they strike, while respecting the rule of law and the privacy and civil liberties of the American people.
___________________________________
Obama earns a Wanker of the Day from Atrios. And it's well-deserved. I thought he'd issue some vague statement of disapproval and then miss the vote. This endorsement of a X'ing out the Fourth Amendment is waaaay out of bounds.
LGA has gone to shit under this administration.
You expect the tax dollars we sent to Washington to come back?
Someone get the RAID, there is a bug about.
I thought I told you when you were in town, Roadie.
Somewhere in this building.
Maybe Barack and Hillary can get together and filibuster this sucker with Feingold and Dodd. It would be great theatre.
See?, I have a lot of hope still. But, don't bet on it!
--the saddest thing to me;
When Nixon was president, Democrats didnt help him cover up his crimes, they exposed them.
Sadly, half the current Democratic Party in Congress would have been Goopers in 1973.
What's the going rate for a cardboard box?
Whoa. Someone thinks they're high class.
I didn't live in a cardboard box growing up. And I turned out OK.
How President Obama will destroy the FISA bill:
Under President Obama, the NSA monitors all U.S. call traffic, looking for key phrases, like 'Kill The N**R', 'Kill the Pres', etc. FBI starts rounding up rightards all across the country for what they said in phone conversations, arrested and jailed for making threats against the president. A big outcry ensues, and eventually the bill is abolished, reverting to previous standards. Meanwhile, thousands of repukes are still in jail. Its a win-win.
And I turned out OK
You call being for the Steelers OK?
For all the very concerned posters who either believe or pretend to believe criticizing Obama's lack of leadership on FISA can only help the GOP - get out from under the goddam bed. Not one Dem is going to win in November because they played a cautious game trying ever so hard to do everything to keep the GOP from being critical of them. Nobody is excited by a mushy middle defer to the GOP Dem.
OTOH, people take notice when someone demonstrates real leadership, which necessarily involves taking stands they are sure some people won't like. Every goddam Dem advisor for the last several election cycles has recommended the campaign theme be "Don't Rock The Boat." It was a loser then and it's still a loser.
80% of the public thinks we're already over the cliff as a country. Quit playing to the goddam 20%ers and capsize the motherfucking boat already.
What's the going rate for a cardboard box?
Ralphie | 06.21.08 - 1:44 pm |
I've got a warehouse full of cardboard boxes. Maybe I should go into the housing industry!
Obama is the leader of the party now, and if he'd told Pelosi and Reid he didn't want this thing to come up, it would not have come to the floor. Period.
Thinking about the telecom immunity bill that passed the House. The best way for progressives to respond is to come together to defeat Hoyer in the primaries in an incoming election (2010). Nothing says power, which is what elected officials understand most, than a group targeting & defeating an incumbent in a leadership position.
Hoyer is the Democrat that crafted this monstrosity & pushed it through in the House. His defeat would produce tremors in the Democratic Party & recognition for the progressive movement as a mover & shaker in the Democratic Party.
This has been a public service announcement.
Whoa. Someone thinks they're high class.
I will only accept boxes from expensive refrigerators, none of this Sears crap.
Zap - yeah, I know about your job...Just sounded like your situation has changed, and not for the better...
Pure speculation that Obama had anything to do with the House vote yesterday.
Set aside his gawd-awful statement about the bill, he hasn't been in the position long enough to have any sway.
You call being for the Steelers OK?
leibniz leibkins
Is there any other team?
bugs moved out of his mother's basement and got a McCardboard Mansion.
Carter, nothing would please me more than some credible liberal running against Hoyer in 2010.
But who is going to bell the cat?
~
I will only accept boxes from expensive refrigerators, none of this Sears crap.
Ralphie | 06.21.08 - 1:53 pm | #
I've got high-end refrigerator boxes but I thought I,d put those by the lake so I could promote them as luxury living.
When Nixon was president, Democrats didnt help him cover up his crimes, they exposed them.
Sadly, half the current Democratic Party in Congress would have been Goopers in 1973.
peterboy | 06.21.08 - 1:51 pm | #
It was actually a bi-partisan effort.
And there was still such a thing as independent investigative journalism back in the early 70s.
Roadie,
Half of my office's been laid off since I've been there. I'm trying like heck to get the bleep outta there. It's super morbid.
Is there any other team?
Gomez
Türkiye!
Someone get the RAID, there is a bug about.
Butler can't resist posting when he gets an opportunity to call people "hypocrites" .
No doubt, we'll hear "Obama did a bad thing, how can you support Obama?" from a dozen different Allen Butler sockpuppets.
Obama is the leader of the Democratic Party now, in the middle of a hotly contested presidential campaign. If he didn't come to them and say to get this thing done before the fall, then they came to him and asked his permission. That's just a fact. They aren't going to do anything he doesn't want them to do.
So, it's not really a capitulation. It's a strategy.
Update: Jack Balkin says Obama just wants the power as president. He may be right. That would also be a good reason to keep him from having it.
Thinking of it for myself, leibniz, as I'm going to be home in PA in the woods, and then in NH and Vermont in the woods...
I know several people who have had it, with very bad results. Took months to get over it, and a lot of insurance companies don't want to pay for lengthy treatment. That being said it's quirky. A friend of mine who almost never goes in the woods got it, and I hike in the woods, including crawling around underbrush foraging for mushrooms, yet I never have. You are possibly more likely to catch it in areas of open meadow where the deer roam, or on your front lawn, than in deep woods.
I've got high-end refrigerator boxes but I thought I,d put those by the lake so I could promote them as luxury living.
Should be a good market up by Lake Delton.
Remember, Hillary is still available!
I thought I told you when you were in town, Roadie.
Somewhere in this building.
Zap Rowsdower...True Story! | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 1:51 pm | #
Looks like a brighter version of our AT&T building in downtown Dayton.
Thanks Karin. Do the innoculations work, as far as anybody knows?
Set aside his gawd-awful statement about the bill, he hasn't been in the position long enough to have any sway.
Zap Rowsdower...True Story!
Put it on the (growing) list of rationalizations--he's supporting a bad and unconstitutional bill. Shockingly, he's doing what he considers to be the politically expedient thing. Gee, where have we seen that criticized before?
gawdfuckingdammitall....
The New Pornographers are here tonight, and I can't go. 
"Should be a good market up by Lake Delton."
Lake side living. Let your cares drift away.
Joe Klein:
Barack Obama has never been shy about comparing himself to Abraham Lincoln. He did so when he announced his candidacy at the Illinois state capitol, where both he and Lincoln served in the legislature. "The life of a tall, gangly, self-made Springfield lawyer tells us that a different future is possible," Obama said. "He tells us that there is power in words ... He tells us that there is power in hope." That was, well, audacious, to say the least — and the comparisons have continued, on issues large and small.
This makes sense. Lincoln freed the slaves, and Obama coulda been a slave if he had had the misfortune to be born in Lincoln's day.
Kudos to CNN for this story on foreclosures they are currently running. If I expect them to do better, I will commend them when they manage to do so.
Someone mentioned the other day that the bank never filed their mortgage. That isn't that big of deal, but for the disorganization it shows about the bank. If they failed to file the mortgage, they have sloppy account management. They may have lost the mortgage. They may have lost the note. The note is the agreement evidencing a debt, not the mortgage. They may also fail to file a release of the mortgage. Demand evidence from your lender always, because they are generally very sloppy.
Half of my office's been laid off since I've been there. I'm trying like heck to get the bleep outta there. It's super morbid.
Zap Rowsdower...True Story!
ZOMG!
Last I recall, you said it was 10%...Half off is a going out of business fire sale.
Good luck, buddy.
"Hey, if you're disappointed about this decision..."
...perhaps you'll be heartened by the Democrats voting for $162 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan. It's hard being a democrat!
Put it on the (growing) list of rationalizations--he's supporting a bad and unconstitutional bill. Shockingly, he's doing what he considers to be the politically expedient thing. Gee, where have we seen that criticized before?
What's the alt?
We've all called him out on it, but it isn't law yet. We need to get in his face. That's possible right got damn now.
Obama earns a Wanker of the Day from Atrios. And it's well-deserved. I thought he'd issue some vague statement of disapproval and then miss the vote. This endorsement of a X'ing out the Fourth Amendment is waaaay out of bounds.
Bugs
Atrios' wanker post demonstrates the good that remains in our system. Criticism must be free and open no matter the percieved cost in stragtegic politics.
This isn't a game of us vs. them, despite a season of pep rallies and gossipy high-school-level discourse. This is about hiring people who are going to manage things for us, and as employers we have to ask hard questions and have high standards.
Anyone fussing about the need to hush until "we" get the White House doesn't get the whole notion of democratic accountability.
Team players make my skin crawl.
A lockstep requires a lockbrain.
Should be a good market up by Lake Delton.
Ralphie | 06.21.08 - 1:57 pm | #
I hear new lake front property just went on sale.
Carter, nothing would please me more than some credible liberal running against Hoyer in 2010. But who is going to bell the cat?~
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
We progressives need to take a leaf from the fundamentalist movement: talk to office holders inside the district, tell em we'll guarantee $500,000 for the race & pick the best talker/most photogenic candidate to run. Moveon could run independent, negative ads showing Hoyer for the scum he is. Even if we lost, Hoyer would have learned his lesson & be more careful in the future (I'd recommend continually running against him, he's about 70).
Lake side living. Let your cares drift away.
The people who lost their homes at Lake Delton are still liable for a full year of property taxes as their homes were there on Jan, 1. Most had no insurance.
There are a lot of crappy Dems in Congress. But for now, at least, they're there, and Obama has had to work with them in order to win the nomination.
I'd like to see a lot of them gone, but some of them come from districts where they are the best we can hope to get.
Like mine, Zack Space. The fact that we have a Dem rep is strictly a product of Bob Ney's fall.
This is the place where John Freshwater teaches school. It's gonna be a long haul to bring Grange-style populist/progressivism to areas like this.
.
Most had no insurance."
Which I do not understand.
Comment by Bugs blocked.
Is it saying something? Do I give a fuck?
Marcellina, I don't know about the innoculation but I can find out. A couple of the lyme disease victims I know investigated the disease pretty thoroughly, and one of them is a nurse herself. Give me a couple of days to ask around.
Actually, I am not sure the vaccine is available for humans anymore. There were reported side effects for a minority of those vaccinated. I believe it is still available for pets though.
The best treatment appears to be rapd antibiotic therapy when a bite is detected. But then I never knew I had been bitten. I just felt like shit for a few months.
Most had no insurance."
Which I do not understand.
Flood insurance. Not part of your standard insurance policy.
Which I do not understand.
Their homes were not in a recognized flood plain, not eligible for Federal flood insurance. It's a catch-22.
Most had no insurance."
Which I do not understand.
Few people have flood insurance.
Anyone fussing about the need to hush until "we" get the White House doesn't get the whole notion of democratic accountability.
you may repeat this as often as you like.
"
Flood insurance. Not part of your standard insurance policy."
Living near a lake or a river?
I would be applying in a heartbeat of I had that sort of proximity.
Which I do not understand.
EkCenTriK | 06.21.08 - 2:01 pm | #
The city of Lake Delton fucked up and did not OK the FEMA flood plane map which meant that none of those homes were elegable for flood insurance.
We've all called him out on it, but it isn't law yet. We need to get in his face. That's possible right got damn now.
Zap Rowsdower...True Story!
It is Obama's chance to show leadership. I hope he does.
Pure speculation that Obama had anything to do with the House vote yesterday. Set aside his gawd-awful statement about the bill, he hasn't been in the position long enough to have any sway. Zap Rowsdower
His gawdawful statement is what I'm talking about. If the Dems intend to wipe the floor with the GOP, there is no breaking-in period. Obama's the guy, it's his job now to take the lead and shove this crap in their faces.
And IMO, unless he wants to face a Dem Congress that respects him like they did Carter, right now is the time to be putting the leadership on notice that voting GOP-lite is not gonna fly with him. He has the leverage right now to put any number of Congressional Dems on notice - straighten up and fly right between now and November or after I'm elected you're dickweeda non grata.
None of that has to be public, of course. But my contention remains that all the coming GOP bullshit to be thrown at him will evaporate if he can demonstrate before the election that he is willing to ship his own party into shape.
Don't forget that the cowering Dems in Congress are the only people less popular than Bush and Cheney. 80% of the country wants them to quit enabling the failed Presidency.
I would be applying in a heartbeat of I had that sort of proximity.
You can apply all you want, if it's not recognized as a flood plain you're out of luck.
Is it saying something?
Allen Butler concern troll sockpuppetry.
"The city of Lake Delton fucked up and did not OK the FEMA flood plane map which meant that none of those homes were elegable for flood insurance."
Jeez. That is horrible.
The city of Lake Delton fucked up and did not OK the FEMA flood plane map which meant that none of those homes were elegable for flood insurance.
Well, I am sure they will not fuck up in collecting property taxes. Fuckers.
Oh, surprise, surprise. Obama backs down when it comes time to act, despite his glorious speeches.
Oh, but wait! He "pledged" to review this if he becomes president. That gives comfort - especially when I consider his pledge to use public financing for campaigning.
Is it saying something? Do I give a fuck?
dave™© | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 2:02 pm | #
No. And no.
~
...perhaps you'll be heartened by the Democrats voting for $162 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan. It's hard being a democrat!
Bugs
Not all Democrats were willing to compromise. Massachusetts Rep. Jim McGovern bristled at the deal.
"For me, this is one compromise too many. It represents one cave-in too many. It asks Congress to roll over and be blind to the consequences of the war for the next nine months or so," he said. "It is long past time for a change in course, and this bill does absolutely nothing to bring that about. This is George Bush's war, and he should end it while he is still president." -connpost.com
I heart Jim McGovern!!
Most had no insurance."
Which I do not understand.
EkCenTriK
Actually, they had insurance - without flood attachments, though.
The Village of Lake Delton opted out of Federal flood insurance - dispute over flood maps going back to the mid-'90s. About 10% of WI municipalities are also reported to be in the same position - leaving home owners in those places screwed in case of floods.
There will be lawsuits.
There are a lot of crappy Dems in Congress. But for now, at least, they're there, and Obama has had to work with them in order to win the nomination.
Stopping them from passing a bad law is working with them. Obama isn't going to have huge coattails this fall if he pisses off liberals by okaying Bush's crimes.
We progressives need to take a leaf from the fundamentalist movement: talk to office holders inside the district, tell em we'll guarantee $500,000 for the race
How do you guarantee that amount? I can't run on a promise. I need more than a promise. I need to know the money will be there.
There will be lawsuits.
Which will be settled right after the next 500 year event.
you may repeat this as often as you like.
dirk gently, melancaholic
I was just thinking of the old Chris Rock joke about celebrations of OJ's court victory, and so to reshape it:
When "we" take the White House, I will be watching eagerly for my Democratic Party prize.
Obama is going to sink like a stone. He has no idea who he is or what he thinks. He has no courage of conviction.
I am a Clinton supporter who has been trying to warm up to Obama and vote for him. But, not after this week. And I have said this many times before here but I am going to say it again - Reid and Pelosi are an absolute disgrace. The whole lot of them should be run out of office. No wonder Congress's approval is lower than Bush's.
Actually, I am not sure the vaccine is available for humans anymore.
There were "Tick shots" available every spring at my workplace; this year I didn't see any sign up for them, and didn't really think much about it until I read my Mom's e-mail (she's fine, just had a non-bull's-eye-looking rash) and that article today. Maybe they don't do them anymore, but I can't ask til Monday.
There will be lawsuits.
Which will be settled right after the next 500 year event.
Ralphie
With the weather dynamics shifting, Ralphie, that'll happen by the end of August.
Put it on the (growing) list of rationalizations--he's supporting a bad and unconstitutional bill. Shockingly, he's doing what he considers to be the politically expedient thing. Gee, where have we seen that criticized before?
Cookie Fleck `08 | 06.21.08 - 1:58 pm | #
I don't like that any better than anyone else, but many people write as if they had just landed on earth from some Pure Spirit Planet in Dimension 12. We are nominating a centrist, pro-corporate, middle of the road, Democrat in a nation dominated by corporate power and the military industrial complex. We are not discussing the failures of the Annointed Savior from the Holy Spirit Realm.
he hasn't been in the position long enough to have any sway.
Two weeks isn't enough time to tell Congress he won't be campaigning for them if they vote for FISA compromise.
He has the leverage right now to put any number of Congressional Dems on notice - straighten up and fly right between now and November or after I'm elected you're dickweeda non grata.
He has the leverage right now. He has to show it, yes. But this crap has been going on since Fucker Hoyer got the leadership position.
Obama's statement was of high-wankery, but he's not the conduit of this bill.
Is it saying something? Do I give a fuck?
dave™©
[My apologies for quoting the bugger in a previous comment.]
There will be lawsuits.
Which will be settled right after the next 500 year event.
Ralphie
Asbestos!
Put it on the (growing) list of rationalizations--he's supporting a bad and unconstitutional bill. Shockingly, he's doing what he considers to be the politically expedient thing. Gee, where have we seen that criticized before?
I have long thought the most destructive GOP meme is that Dems don't stand for anything. Every time these groups of craven DINOs subvert the will of the people they lose the party more support. Hitching their wagon to the draining cesspool of the GOP was a very very bad idea but now they're suffering from the sunk cost fallacy.
It's Obama's job to take them into the back room and start letting them know there's a new goddam sheriff coming to town and they better damn well clean up their fucking acts before he gets there.
I am, of course, simply fantasizing out loud.
The Dems are systematically nullifying every wedge issue the Reps have used on them in the past so they can increase their majority in November.
What issue will the Reps be able to bring up in November now to rally their base?
Gay marriage? Abortion? National Security? The Economy?
I really do get a kick out of how the whole "fighting Dem" spirit just up and evaporates when it comes time to apologize for Obama kissing up to wingnuts.
It's positively -- Kos-eriffic!
Anyone fussing about the need to hush until "we" get the White House doesn't get the whole notion of democratic accountability.
Yes, of course. But sometimes it gets taken too far and I wonder if I've stumbled onto a winger training site for concern trolls.
We are not discussing the failures of the Annointed Savior from the Holy Spirit Realm.
rootless-e, ohmic
The problem is he has cast himself this way. "We are the people we've been waiting for" and all that mindless bullshit.
I am, of course, simply fantasizing out loud.
JeffCO
Wait. That's my fantasy, too. Are you scanning me, man?!
It's Obama's job to take them into the back room and start letting them know there's a new goddam sheriff coming to town and they better damn well clean up their fucking acts before he gets there.
Oh, no no no. We must all get along! Act nice! No offense! Let's put some Republicans into the cabinet! Then they'll like us!
(It could have been worse, you know - it could have been HITLERY!)
I really do get a kick out of how the whole "fighting Dem" spirit just up and evaporates when it comes time to apologize for Obama kissing up to wingnuts.
It's positively -- Kos-eriffic!
dave™© | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 2:12 pm | #
Well now, you don't have to worry about unkillfiling bugs, you just shortered him.
~
Holy shit.
Drag racers JUMP A BUICK and crash into the East Wash IHOP?
I knew yesterday was fucked up - saw five crashes in the span of 12 hours.
It is Amok Time.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/...330/
detail.html
re: that Newsweek Poll [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
From a political-junkie friend:
Anytime I see a Newsweek poll that shows a big lead for a Democrat, I am always reminded of Brit Hume’s comments back in 2000:
“[B]y the way, with regard to the Newsweek poll, I think we now are beginning to know why The Washington Post, which owns Newsweek, does its polling with "ABC NEWS" and leaves Newsweek to do its — I think if Newsweek took a poll of the Bush family, Gore would win.
(Fox News Sunday, September 10, 2000)
Brit Hume? You mean the Brit Hume who drove his son to suicide?
I am not going to condemn Obama for yesterdays statement. I blame Hoyer and Pelosi for allowing this thing to get to the House floor. Obama has not voted on anything as of now. At this point, he has no hold over the Congress. When I came to this site yesterday I almost thought I was at NO QUARTER. Relax, people.
OK, kids - off to stare at the fire-damaged kitchen appliances sitting out on the lawn next door, followed by mowing the lawn...
It's positively -- Kos-eriffic!
dave™©
The word "Kos-eriffic" has now been filed in my fertile mind for further study.
I wonder when O's supporters are going to realize that the only change he represents is a change in skin color -- which, if honoring a post racial ideal, shouldn't matter in the first place.
The O supporters I know really don't care that 'change' was and is BS. They just like that he's black.
Good afternoon, you Summertime Bats of the Moon! I've been weeding for hours. Still not done.
I hate IHOP. New one just opened in a strip mall on Layton Ave. They have bugs in their food.
BTW: who's apologizing for Obama?
Obama is unlikely to stick his neck out stopping the FISA "compromise". His statement shows pretty clearly he's got the Democrats' disease of fearing GOP attacks that Democrats are weak on defense.
There will be lawsuits.
[refrains from any reference to Obama drinking Congressional Dem milkshakes]
Under President Obama, the NSA monitors all U.S. call traffic, looking for key phrases, like 'Kill The N**R', 'Kill the Pres', etc. FBI starts rounding up rightards all across the country for what they said in phone conversations, arrested and jailed for making threats against the president. A big outcry ensues, and eventually the bill is abolished, reverting to previous standards. Meanwhile, thousands of repukes are still in jail.
It's a win-win.
---
Sadly, this is the first made up scenario that I could actually see separating the Republican types from their current deep seated infatuation with the authoritarians state.
Put a Negro in charge of it.
I've been weeding for hours. Still not done.
Weed-B-Gone.
Obama is unlikely to stick his neck out stopping the FISA "compromise". His statement shows pretty clearly he's got the Democrats' disease of fearing GOP attacks that Democrats are weak on defense.
I see no evidence of that.
I hate IHOP. New one just opened in a strip mall on Layton Ave. They have bugs in their food.
Ralphie
And from the photos, Grand Ams on the grill and Silverados at the salad bar.
Yes, of course. But sometimes it gets taken too far and I wonder if I've stumbled onto a winger training site for concern trolls.
Marcellina
Well, I'm as liberal as all get out, or whatever the phrase is, but I the way Obama has been spoken of, in almost reverential terms here and elsewhere, really unsettles me. Or maybe the bigger problem is getting jumped on when you might point out a chink in the armor.
He's a politician. We've settled on him. Let's work hard to elect him. But I refuse to worship him or make excuses for him.
And from the photos, Grand Ams on the grill and Silverados at the salad bar.
And Toby is in charge of Wokking the dog.
Drag racers JUMP A BUICK and crash into the East Wash IHOP?
Yikes! I was only about ten blocks away from there at 6:30.
Developers and home builders and bankers and lenders and investors need all the help government can give them, while immoral pregnant teenage girls need to be horsewhipped in the streets.
In other news: boys will be boys. No punishment for them! Unless they bought a house and quit paying for it. How dare they let our bankers and investors and financial system down like that? Don't they know there's a war on!?!?!
Tom Brokaw says no teenage girls in the Greatest Generation ever got pregnant. And they were the Greatest Generation because they didn't have child care services in schools, and because girls who did get "in a family way" were taken away to hide their shame.
And that's why they were the Greatest Generation!
The problem is he has cast himself this way. "We are the people we've been waiting for" and all that mindless bullshit.
Cookie Fleck `08 | 06.21.08 - 2:12 pm | #
No. His political enemies cast him that way. This rhetorical device is no better than "but you liberals say that we can just be nice to terrorists".
Under President Obama, the NSA monitors all U.S. call traffic, looking for key phrases, like 'Kill The N**R', 'Kill the Pres', etc. FBI starts rounding up rightards all across the country for what they said in phone conversations, arrested and jailed for making threats against the president. A big outcry ensues, and eventually the bill is abolished, reverting to previous standards. Meanwhile, thousands of repukes are still in jail.
It's a win-win.
I like it. A masterful strategery.
He's a politician. We've settled on him. Let's work hard to elect him. But I refuse to worship him or make excuses for him.
There's jackasses all over the blogosphere that'll do that for any candidate.
I come here because folks, for the most part, are level-headed. Nobody's gotten into worship-mode about any candidate that frequents theses here parts.
Developers and home builders and bankers and lenders and investors need all the help government can give them, while immoral pregnant teenage girls need to be horsewhipped in the streets.
In other news: boys will be boys. No punishment for them! Unless they bought a house and quit paying for it. How dare they let our bankers and investors and financial system down like that? Don't they know there's a war on!?!?!
What Jeffers said.
Obama is unlikely to stick his neck out stopping the FISA "compromise". His statement shows pretty clearly he's got the Democrats' disease of fearing GOP attacks that Democrats are weak on defense.
I see no evidence of that.
Ralphie
I do. All he had to say was, "This is a bad idea and I oppose it on Constitutional grounds." If it passed, then he is covered by virtue of his being a Constitutional scholar. If it fails to pass, he is covered by being a leader whom others followed. Either way he wins: this way he looks like a fucking apologist for the telecoms.
Fuck that.
Cookie, I'm with you there.
Good afternoon, you Summertime Bats of the Moon! I've been weeding for hours. Still not done.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
You gave me a quick double-take, because I first read that as "I've been wedded for hours. Still not done."
I think it's time for me to go. The letters are starting to blur.
Y'all take care of your good selves, and try, like Ralphie, to relax.
Well...let your anger keep those responsible for enabling this shit to go through accountable to you...but a relaxed anger.
Hmmmm...that's quite a trick, now that I think about it. I will have to practice a bit on that.
Later!
I come here because folks, for the most part, are level-headed. Nobody's gotten into worship-mode about any candidate that frequents theses here parts.
Zap Rowsdower.
I must have been reading at different times from you, Zap, which is why I had to take a break.
I see no evidence of that.
Ralphie
John Dean told KO last night this bill has no ban on criminal charges being brought against telecoms, and he opined Obama might well exploit that "loophole" in January, so he's letting it ride knowing the telecoms are not getting the blanket immunity they thought they were.
Hmmmmmm......
What Jeffers said.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Hecate has spoken.
Clearly you should all be worshipping me!
[Oh...and a merry Summer Solstice to you, Hecate!]
I must have been reading at different times from you, Zap, which is why I had to take a break.
Seriously...worship????
Sans trolls, not even.
BTW, the sparrow family under the porch awning has some hungry young ones chattering away. Should be ready to fledge in the next week or so.
My father was a member of the greatest generation. He knocked up my mother while on a 3 day pass from basic training in 1942. Six weeks later he hitch hiked home from Kentucky and married her. They were happily married until his untimely demise in 1981. Had 3 more children.
Thank you, Uncle Smokes; it was fantastic. I love this time of year.
Prince Shitwit, if ever there was.
The stupid, it stupifies, and it just hit 90 degrees on the back porch in Silly Valley.
Make that 92.
Nobody's gotten into worship-mode about any candidate that frequents theses here parts.
I beg to differ. There was a period when Obama people were putting way too much hope and trust in him. I like him, I'll vote for him, I DID vote for him. But he's a politician above all else.
Zap, Don't want to argue about it.
Heheh!
Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has opened up a double-digit lead over Republican John McCain two weeks after he clinched the nomination, a new poll published on Friday showed.
The nationwide poll conducted by Newsweek showed Obama leading McCain by a margin of 51-36 percent, indicating that he might have got a bounce from his recent primary victory over Hillary Clinton.
Newsweek said the survey of 1,010 adults nationwide on June 18 and 19, 2008 has a margin of error of 4 points.
Obama's edge in the latest poll is larger than in other recent surveys. A Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday found Obama had a only a 5-point lead.
Obama was tied at 46 percent with McCain in a previous Newsweek poll completed in late May, when he was still battling Clinton for the nomination, Newsweek said.
Obama triumphed in early June in a grueling five-month Democratic nomination fight with Clinton. McCain clinched the Republican race in March.
McCain and Obama have clashed sharply on economic and security issues in the campaign's early stages. Obama has tried to link McCain to the policies of unpopular President George W. Bush and McCain has questioned Obama's judgment and experience.
The Newsweek survey indicated that only 14 percent of Americans say they are satisfied with the direction of the country, and that they see Obama as the preferred agent of "change" by a margin of 51 percent to 27 percent, Newsweek said.
Newsweek said Obama is doing better at this point in the race than Democratic predecessors Sen. John Kerry and Vice President Al Gore, who both ended up losing their bid for the White House.
Oh, no no no. We must all get along! Act nice! No offense! Let's put some Republicans into the cabinet! Then they'll like us! (It could have been worse, you know - it could have been HITLERY!)
My old white-haired Hillary-supporting mom's number one concern about Obama is that when the GOP pushes him hard he's gonna fold under some pretense of bipartisan letsallgetalongness. I see her as typical of a fairly large chunk of Dem voters.
All's I'm saying is his campaign could go a very long way toward getting them excited by showing some leadership now. Standing by while the GOP and its Dem enablers cover their asses is not that way. Neither is releasing crappy statements on the need for compromising with the people who've been trying every which way to fuck us in every orifice, not one of them in a good way.
But he's a politician above all else.
Marcellina
Don't let Obama hear you say that. It really pisses him off.
It's Obama's job to take them into the back room and start letting them know there's a new goddam sheriff coming to town and they better damn well clean up their fucking acts before he gets there.
Anybody who even thinks this, let alone expects it to happen, hasn't been paying attention. He's not operating on that model. But that doesn't mean he and his advisers aren't looking at the big picture and strategizing in ways best designed to nudge folks along in the direction he wants things to go . . .
.
sparrow family under the porch awning has some hungry young ones chattering away. Should be ready to fledge in the next week or so.
They're so cute to watch. Feed me! Feed me! Feed me some more!
Roadmaster,
Bite-size squab. Crunchy, mmmmmmmm.
Hmmmmmm......
I trust the thoughts of Mr. Dean. He has been basically right since 1974.
He's a politician. We've settled on him. Let's work hard to elect him. But I refuse to worship him or make excuses for him.
Cookie Fleck `08 | 06.21.08 - 2:18 pm | #
Agreed. I really disliked his response. But what set me off was the wave of "we've been betrayed again, they are all the same, let's give up" (not from you).
Seriously...worship????
There were a couple of Obama supporters who would virulently argue against any criticism of him. And also a few hardcore Hillary supporters who have a hard time getting over losing a fair fight.
John Dean told KO last night this bill has no ban on criminal charges being brought against telecoms, and he opined Obama might well exploit that "loophole" in January, so he's letting it ride knowing the telecoms are not getting the blanket immunity they thought they were.
That's awfully wishful thinking, I'm not counting on that at all.
However, I like the other theory about Repugs suddenly not loving the surveillance so much after some rw hate groups get nailed.
Thank you, Uncle Smokes; it was fantastic. I love this time of year.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I love early June, walking to work as a cool morning breeze carries a blessing of lilac--puts a bounce in my step.
They're so cute to watch. Feed me! Feed me! Feed me some more!
I've had fledglings at the feeder this past month, cheeping and flapping and losing their balance every so often. Really cute.
He's a politician. We've settled on him. Let's work hard to elect him. But I refuse to worship him or make excuses for him.
Cookie Fleck `08 | 06.21.08 - 2:18 pm | #
Are people really going to claim that if we'd only nominated Hillary, she would have prevented this FISA cave-in?
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What I'm saying, is YES, there are people that back certain candidates quite passionately. I didn't shit on them, and won't.
But when I hear the word worship, I fucking cringe. It's sick. No regular (I'd like to think) literally worships one candidate. I don't worship Obama, but I support him. It's stupid to lump supporters of a candidate into a cult. That's what this primary did to lots of us.
Bugs | 06.21.08 - 2:15 pm
Fuck off, racist!
Obama has created for himself the "New Great Seal"
Maybe, next they will play Hail to the Chief when he walks in.
So much for the "hope" and "change" candidate. When are people going to wake up about this fraud?
Heheh!
Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has opened up a double-digit lead over Republican John McCain two weeks after he clinched the nomination, - Terry C
But he will never get to a triple-digit lead, so this is a problem for Osama, er, Saddam, ooops, Barak Obama. [/ Faux News.
Feed me! Feed me! Feed me some more!
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Adolescents are pretty much the same across phylla.
It's Obama's job to take them into the back room and start letting them know there's a new goddam sheriff coming to town and they better damn well clean up their fucking acts before he gets there
In the real world, the Democratic leadership has Obama by the balls for the remainder of the GE period because he cannot win without their active support (this could change come October with a huge lead in the polls - if that happens).
NTodd is an adolescent?
In May of 1988 after all of the Democratic primaries ended presumptive nominee Michael Dukakis enjoyed a 54 to 38 percent lead over then Ronald Reagan wing man George H.W. Bush.
H.W. went on to win in that November handily
What's with the Salena Zeto's mega-mane? Last time I saw hair that ugly it was between Demi Moore's legs.
I really disliked his response. But what set me off was the wave of "we've been betrayed again, they are all the same, let's give up"
I try to remember that people come here to vent, and scroll on by rather than get upset by it.
It's not too late
Hillary for 2008
Miss Thing is ignoring this entire controversy.
There was a period when Obama people were putting way too much hope and trust in him.
I concur. Obama was "progressive", while Clinton was the "evil establishment" candidate.
My 2003 Honda Civic, which is now totally paid for and gets about 38 mpg on the highway, seats 5 and sleeps 3.
Are people really going to claim that if we'd only nominated Hillary, she would have prevented this FISA cave-in?
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ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 2:27 pm | #
Only very stupid people. Like Bugs, for instance....
bo
You stay away from those baby birds.
But when I hear the word worship, I fucking cringe. It's sick. No regular (I'd like to think) literally worships one candidate. I don't worship Obama, but I support him. It's stupid to lump supporters of a candidate into a cult. That's what this primary did to lots of us.
Zap Rowsdower
Word choice is always important, of course, but the larger point is when there is no longer rational debate possible, where emotion rules, you can call that passion, some might call it worship, then this place turns into a playground of namecalling. I left for a couple weeks to let the dust settle not because my candidate "lost". It wasn't the outcome but the kind and level of discourse I found discouraging.
Folks come and go so quickly around here, it's of no moment.
Let's all remember that black men in this society are not allowed to be too confrontational-it scares people. They are not even allowed to do it on a statue.
Sparkle, what you said. Quite important to understand what is at stake in this election. It's much more than one House bill. It could be a major turn in the left direction. It is our best shot yet. The Republicans are shitting their pants because they know that they cannot attack Obama for the usual reasons. Racism will only work the idiots that vote with them anyway. A new day is coming and I'm glad I lived long enough to see it.
They just like that he's black.
Obama's mom was white.
Bugs, why don't you just accuse of being "race traitors" and tell us that we're all going to hell for "race mixing."
There was a period when Obama people were putting way too much hope and trust in him.
Thanks for your belated concern.
John Dean told KO last night this bill has no ban on criminal charges being brought against telecoms, and he opined Obama might well exploit that "loophole" in January,
So the United States is going to ask a company to break the law, then bring them up on charges for breaking the law the government asked them to break.
Do the French have a word entrapment?
concur. Obama was "progressive", while Clinton was the "evil establishment" candidate.
Richard | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 2:30 pm | #
Oh b.s. They were both centrists all along, which is why I and many others supported John Edwards to start with.
When the choice came to Hillary or Obama, it was DLC versus centrist democrat.
I voted against DLC, and was under no illusions with regards to what I was getting.
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I try to remember that people come here to vent, and scroll on by rather than get upset by it.
Marcellina
Well, God Damn Me then. I really expect my people to stand for fucking something.
Guess I am nothing but a fucking loser, eh?
Noblejoanie!
Have you been following the story of that guy from Alabama who allegedly killed his new bride while scuba diving at the Great Barrier Reef?
Now, can we truly trust Obama to make the Supreme court picks?
NTodd is an adolescent? - leibniz leibkins
Some people have development that's arrested, then there's those with it permanently incarcerated.
Anybody who even thinks this, let alone expects it to happen, hasn't been paying attention. He's not operating on that model. But that doesn't mean he and his advisers aren't looking at the big picture and strategizing in ways best designed to nudge folks along in the direction he wants things to go . . Sparkle Plenty
I have been paying attention, and as I said, I'm fantasizing out loud about what I want to happen, not what I think will happen.
But I've had more than my fill of faith-based campaigns in which I have to trust the candidates to do what they should be doing anyway even though they're not actually demonstrating any of it. And it's my opinion that you get a lot more people excited about your campaign (which translates to more votes) by not just saying you're different but actually behaving differently.
After the last 8 years of Democratic asshattery, I'm sorry to say I'm closer to simels' view that anything other than the behavioral evidence is pure speculation and wishful thinking.
Only very stupid people. Like Bugs, for instance....
steve hüssein™ simels
Bugs is so stupid anything he posts will make us switch to McCain.
Marcellina--I have. It was a long time ago, too, which really puzzles me. No witnesses. Weird.
Oh gee, the midwest flood waters are threatening poor, black people. Government response? Good luck, you're on your own.
Let's try this again:
Bugs is so stupid that HE THINKS anything he posts will make us vote for McCain.
Sorry, Bugs - I don't fear teh scary black and brown people.
In the real world, the Democratic leadership has Obama by the balls for the remainder of the GE period because he cannot win without their active support
Bullshit.
Guess I am nothing but a fucking loser, eh?
Relax, goddammit.
[skulks off to avoid newtermentation]
John Dean told KO last night this bill has no ban on criminal charges being brought against telecoms, and he opined Obama might well exploit that "loophole" in January,
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Remember,John Dean gave Nixon advice too. he's wrong!
Only very stupid people. Like Bugs, for instance....
steve hüssein™ simels
Why are we trashing our own candidate?
The internets are moving very slowly today. Also, I have the sniffles.
Life sucks hard.
After the last 8 years of Democratic asshattery, I'm sorry to say I'm closer to simels' view that anything other than the behavioral evidence is pure speculation and wishful thinking.
90% of politicians are broken people.
It's not too late
Hillary for 2008
There was NO reason for Barack Obama to go back on his word. NONE.
That is not carping. That is not bitching. It is reality.
Life sucks hard.
Maybe you can get it vacuum your house.
Why are we trashing our own candidate?
My question, exactly.
NJ,
I don't disagree with anything you say, but I don't gloat when I win, either. I supported Obama most of the primary, but that doesn't mean I won't/haven't yelled at him about his BS statement yesterday.
I so fucking tired of this nonsense, and I'll try and check Obama's shit decisions any time I can. I really thought he'd be the tone-changer in DC, but I'm thoroughly disappointed right now.
Oh b.s. They were both centrists all along
BS yourself. Certain folks here very unwilling to admit that on the part of Obama.
I know because I was jumped on when I called him a centrist.
Noblejoanie, there was a witness — who says he saw the man holding her as in an embrace, then he swam up and she went down. (He didn't understand what was happening at the time.)
They think he turned off her air supply, held her there til she passed out, then slowly "swam for help." I guess Australia need the time to get the case together.
By now Obama is aware of the explosion of the lefty blogs on his capitulation to the Bush telecom immunity.I fully expect him to come out on the Sunday shows and become a Fourth Amendment and rule of law defender once again.
We brought him to the dance,and now hes gotta dance with us.
"I love your fermented cum"-43 to Arthur Laffer
I had thought I'd come to terms with voting for Obama, feeling that I ought to follow Hillary's lead.
Yesterday, Obama's sophistry regarding abandoning public financing brought back all the deep feeling of mistrust I'd felt about him
Today's weasely statement on the FISA "compromise" bill is even more repulsive. He basically issued a campaign statement, "when I'm President..."
As Hillary said, "Change you can Xerox".
I have returned, triumphant with 10 lbs of Key limes for marmalade, 8 cucumbers for bread-and-butter pickles, jars, paraffin, 3 a/c filters (correct size), and implements designed for the removal of dead things.
And, I have removed the dead thing from the shed.
He is the nominee. There is nothing that Pelosi or Reid or any other member of Congress can do about that. He needs them for nothing. He doesn't need their organization; he doesn't need their fundraising; he doesn't need their support. He needs to let them know that.
Comment by Bugs blocked.
Enough douchebaggery from the racist.
90% of politicians are broken people.
We can all be politicians should we choose to be. We use surrogates instead. Too many cooks, etc., etc.
We brought him to the dance,and now hes gotta dance with us.
Or, what? He's at the dance now, he can dance with whomever he likes and, apparently, he likes Hoyer. He's still better than McCain.
By now Obama is aware of the explosion of the lefty blogs on his capitulation to the Bush telecom immunity.I fully expect him to come out on the Sunday shows and become a Fourth Amendment and rule of law defender once again.
We brought him to the dance,and now hes gotta dance with us.
nottin bob |
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Only if he's paying attention!
As Hillary said, "Change you can Xerox".
Show me Clinton's position or shut the fuck up.
But that doesn't mean he and his advisers aren't looking at the big picture and strategizing in ways best designed to nudge folks along in the direction he wants things to go . . Sparkle Plenty
With respect, I see no evidence of that whatsoever.
By now Obama is aware of the explosion of the lefty blogs on his capitulation to the Bush telecom immunity.I fully expect him to come out on the Sunday shows and become a Fourth Amendment and rule of law defender once again.
I hope so. He may have gotten lulled by the Villagers' chant that this is no big deal.
GWPDA
I pulled lots of weeds.
I told you all to vote for Gus Hall. Gus Hall hasn't disappointed anyone this primary season and will never go back on his promises.
Oh gee, the midwest flood waters are threatening poor, black people. Government response? Good luck, you're on your own.
puppethead
Well, you heard Rush Limpdick.
They're just whiners!
We brought him to the dance,and now hes gotta dance with us.
nottin bob
Wrong.
Barack is much the best chance we have, but his main responsibility now is to get himself and as many Democrats as he can elected.
I have no problem with him running from the center. I will be really angry, though, if he governs from the center-right.
I don't believe he will.
Show me Clinton's position or shut the fuck up.
Snow (WF-SC) |
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Are you senator yet? Ha-ha!
Netherlands vs Russia begins in a few minutes, later peeps!
...and it's our fucking job to hold ALL DEMS accountable.
Obama, Clinton, etc...we have to be heard!
I really thought he'd be the tone-changer in DC, but I'm thoroughly disappointed right now.
You're young and impatient. Good qualities, both. It will all be over as far as the election is concerned in just a few months. Patience is a virtue.
Hecate - I mowed the lawn yesterday.
This morning I put up the receipt for whole fruit citrus marmalade - it's meant for Meyer lemons, but these Key/Mexican limes were on sale at 2lbs/.88 so I figured they should be very nice instead. My Meyer lemon tree is loaded, but those aren't ripe yet.
The dead thing, was.
The internets are moving very slowly today. Also, I have the sniffles.
Life sucks hard.
Thers | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 2:36 pm | #
C'mon EVERYONE knows the internet was invented to show pictures of PIRATE KITTEHS!
http://i71.photobucket.com/
album...iratethelma.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/album...tigerffoo-
1.jpg
As Hillary said, "Change you can Xerox".
Show me Clinton's position or shut the fuck up.
Snow (WF-SC)
What part of "Senator Clinton dropped out of the race and is going to be campaigning for Senator Obama" doesn't the racist asshole troll understand?
I told you all to vote for Gus Hall. Gus Hall hasn't disappointed anyone this primary season and will never go back on his promises.
Thers
Better yet, Alf Landon - his position is fixed in stone!!
Of course, that's his tombstone...
thers,
I posted this 400 lb baco bit story for you earlier:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/2.../21hogs.html?
hp
BS yourself. Certain folks here very unwilling to admit that on the part of Obama.
Go yell at the certain folks here, then.
And for anyone (I'm not counting trolls like bugs) who wants to make the case that this is reason to have picked Hillary instead, please show your work wrt FISA capitulation would have been prevented by Hillary.
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I gotta say, as a longtime White Sox fan, that it looks like this is the year for the Cubs.
We're in first place, as they are, and they're killing us.
I'm not happy with what Obama said, but he may know what the senate is going to do to make it unpassable/unsignable.
You're young and impatient. Good qualities, both. It will all be over as far as the election is concerned in just a few months. Patience is a virtue.
Ralphie
Your concern and patronizing tone are noted...
I have to go pull some more weeds out of the ground. You lovely Moonbats go outside and enjoy the nice summer day.
Bullshit.
Snow (WF-SC) | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 2:35 pm | #
I'd be really surprised if Obama and Axelrod were stupid enough not to know what happened to George McGovern. You live in a state with no Democratic machine. Maybe you do not realize what the Dem machine did for Hillary in PA and OH and even TX - but Obama cannot be unaware of that. If he convinces the sold out Dem leadership that he is a real threat to them, he will be attacked very hard.
What a productive day you've had, Auntie G!
Wish I had...
Did go to the MoveOn bake sale...
Senator Clinton only suspended her campaign. She's waiting for Obama to implode!
Certain folks here very unwilling to admit that on the part of Obama.
"Certain folks".
Bugs is not for Hillary.
Anymore than Elias was.
Go yell at the certain folks here, then.
I did. I also yelled at people who pretended that it wasn't happening.
I posted this 400 lb baco bit story for you earlier
That's one big salty booger.
JeffCO -- Sorry, I didn't mean to sound so harsh or personally critical when I wrote that.
I'm not saying I'm right about any of this, just trying to find alternate ways of looking at what's going on that seem at least plausible in light of what we do know about the candidate.
It's definitely not wishful thinking. I am genuinely intrigued by certain parts of his modus operandi that reveal a community organizer perspective at work. I'm not any happier about his FISA statement than anymone else. It's just that the very wimpy-ness of it suggests to me that this is something he has deliberately decided not to get bogged down with right now. It's really not a good campaign issue because it's too hard to articulate opposition to the FISA changes on the stump.
No doubt there was strategy by bill supporters to put it up at this time for this very reason; it's hard to oppose without losing momentum.
I do think he's serious about upholding the Constitution as he mentions that frequently in his speeches. What that means in an Obama administration remains to be seen.
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It's not too late
Hillary for 2008
I'm not happy with what Obama said, but he may know what the senate is going to do to make it unpassable/unsignable.
You are correct. Let's all wait and see. What the Senate does it can also undo. The Constitution requires a bit more work.
"Certain folks".
Yeah, it never happened.
Everyone said Obama was a centrist from day one and was happy and peachy keen with that.
This is only more proof that Obama selling "hope" rather than "fear" doesn't mean squat in terms of actual governing and legislation. It's Just Words, and there's very troubling mounting evidence that he doesn't do what he says --or that people hope-- he'll do.
Now you know why Hillary only suspended her campaign.
Ok, kids, off to NYC for my traditional SAturday evening's quaffing of elitist chardonnay with my satanic Commie pals.
In the meantime, over at the homepage we offer birthday greetings to Ray Davies -- who actually hangs out at my watering hole, so perhaps I'll be able to buy him a drink tonite!
And at Box Office, we offer conclusive proof that there once actually was a 60s starlet with the idiotic name Poup&e;e Gamin.
http://boxoffice.com/blogs/steve...ania-spec-
7.php
As always, if you could leave a comment I'd be your best friend.
I suspect the Repukkkes have been tapping Dem phone lines, and have dug up lots of dirt.
As Jesus said: "Never speaketh out loud that which you wouldn't your significant other to hear."
GWPDA, you are inspiring me to make strawberry jam. Still a few farms that have berries.
By now Obama is aware of the explosion of the lefty blogs on his capitulation to the Bush telecom immunity.I fully expect him to come out on the Sunday shows and become a Fourth Amendment and rule of law defender once again.
I hope so too. And obviously I don't see it as trashing the candidate to raise a stink about such an egregiously over-the-line defense of an IMO completely unnecessary capitulation. Letting any pol slide from the get go is not a good strategy for producing real change.
Assuming he really does want to do things differently, my feeling is that Obama will have his first 100 days or so to set the tone with Congress. Starting early could only help him later, at least from where I sit.
I've gotta finish painting. Later.
Are you senator yet? Ha-ha!
I stand up for what I believe in. What the fuck have you ever done? Have you ever stood up publicly for anything? Anything at all. Have you ever put your name, life, or fortune on the line for what you believe.
I didn't think so. You are so pathetic. You can't back up your support for Clinton over Obama. And you can't back up your attempt to insult me. You can't back up anything. You are a coward. Pathetic, cowardly racist.
You got something to say to me, say it to my face. Coward. Racist. Pathetic.
Hey, Bugs, why don't you go stick your dick in the knothole you pulled it out of a while ago. The board is ready again.
Everyone said Obama was a centrist from day one and was happy and peachy keen with that.
Richard | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 2:48 pm | #
I supported Kucinich because I didn't want a centrist. My side lost.
Yeah, it never happened.
Everyone said Obama was a centrist from day one and was happy and peachy keen with that.
Richard
I agree. And thank you for sticking up for me the other day when I was being attacked by the centaur.
I see Obama is race baiting again.
Yesterday in Florida...Obama says "did you know he's black?"
He can't win an argument, so he resorts to that.
I gotta say, as a longtime White Sox fan, that it looks like this is the year for the Cubs.
We're in first place, as they are, and they're killing us.
David Derbes, ochen' pissed.
Just hope that what happened to Lou's Seattle tram doesn't hit the Cubs - when Seattle won something like 116 games and ended up losing in the first round of playoffs.
But after a century, it's time.
Are you senator yet? Ha-ha!
Says the pathetic racist who hangs out where people have nothing but contempt for him.
Isn't there a way of getting this ridiculous little piece of shit banned?
Team Atrios, you need some cheer. Here's some: Obama's War Chest Drives A 50 State Strategy
FORP.
Hey, Bugs, why don't you go stick your dick in the knothole you pulled it out of a while ago. The board is ready again.
Ralphie |
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I see your behind that knot hole again. No thanks sweetlips!
I do think he's serious about upholding the Constitution as he mentions that frequently in his speeches. What that means in an Obama administration remains to be seen.
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Sparkle Plenty
We are known, in the end, by what we do: not what we say.
But after a century, it's time.
Not a Brewer's fan?
And, I have removed the dead thing from the shed.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian
We could use you in Washington.
BKLYN GIRL...
I dont recall that the early work on Nixon for watergate was bipartisan. yes, the vote in House judiciary was.
right now, we need to see what progressive democrat with legs surfaces in MD 5 and then raise money and hunt Steny down like a dog in 2010.
no forgiveness.
Raising money for true blue dems is what we talked about at Eschacon II.
Team Atrios, you need some cheer. Here's some: Obama's War Chest Drives A 50 State Strategy
David Derbes, ochen' pissed. | 06.21.08 - 2:51 pm | #
Poll shows Obama tied in GEORGIA.
And thank you for sticking up for me the other day when I was being attacked by the centaur.
What really disgusted me about the whole thing over the last few months was that more vocal folks weren't really saying anything of substance to support Obama. It was Hillary is an evil monster plotting to destroy the world. Repeat a million times.
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I see your behind that knot hole again. No thanks sweetlips!
And I have a pincking shears. And not afraid to use it.
Comment by Bugs blocked.
Go to your weekly cross-burning , asshole.
ErinPDX, if you have strawberries available, then u should! If they're completely ripe remember to not use pectin - they wont need it.
Did I mention that I've just now pulled up my first crop of Grand Canyon Sweet onions? They didn't get very big, but they are awfully good - and sweet. They're going into the bread-and-butter pickles.
Poll shows Obama tied in GEORGIA.
rootless-e, ohmic
Barr is hurting McCain.
No doubt about it.
We are known, in the end, by what we do: not what we say.
DWD - S☮S | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 2:53 pm | #
And what Lincoln did was try to compromise with the south and to oppose emancipation until late in the war. What FDR did was lock Japanese-American in camps. What LBJ did was kill 3 million Vietnamese.
And I have a pincking shears. And not afraid to use it.
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You are talking about your lips, right? No thanks, sweetlips!
We are known, in the end, by what we do: not what we say.
DWD
And some are known by who they let do them in the end.
/runs from room
I'm out of here, Ralphie is getting too chummy!
And what Lincoln did was try to compromise with the south
Not once. Not a single attempt to compromise.
I should add, I guess, that nothing would please me more than to freely acknowledge later that as it turned out my concern was completely unwarranted. But I see Congressional DINOs as the number one threat to the success of Obama's first year in office. Because I continue to believe McCain has zero chance of beating him and that the Congressional GOP is headed for an extended tour of the wilderness.
sheets for non trolls, the rest of you stay down here.
They're going into the bread-and-butter pickles.
My grand mother made the best b&b pickles evar. Recipe is in my head. It was never written down.
And, I have removed the dead thing from the shed. GWPDA
Grandpa, nooooooooo!
But after a century, it's time.
Not a Brewer's fan?
Ralphie
Not since Selig and Bando went to the cash-management side of the ledger and let Molitor go.
I actually dreamed of Molitor last night. And Don Money.
Here's Lincoln just before the war addressing the people of Kentucky.
now I wish to recall their attention to what I then said upon that subject. I then said, "When we do as we say,—beat you,—you perhaps want to know what we will do with you. I will tell you, so far as I am authorized to speak for the opposition, what we mean to do with you. We mean to treat you, as near as we
possibly can, as Washington, Jefferson, and Madison treated you. We. mean to leave you alone, and in no way to interfere with vour institutions ; to abide by all and every compromise of the Constitution: and, in a word, coming back to the original proposition, to treat you, so far as degenerate men—if we have degenerated—may, according to the examples of those noble fathers, Washington, Jefferson, and Madison. We mean to remember that you are as good as we; that there is no difference between us other
than the difference of circumstances. We mean to recognize and bear in mind always that you have as good hearts in your bosoms as other people, or as we claim to have, and treat you accordingly."
He's dead to me.
I supported Kucinich because I didn't want a centrist. My side lost.
Tangentially, brings up, to my mind, an important point.
Current conditions are not good--there's no question about that--but, they aren't truly desperate enough for a large enough segment of the population for any progressive candidate to make significant headway.
Right now, people are sufficiently in various stages of worry, or disgust, or confusion (or some combination of those) to be willing to consider someone who doesn't represent the status quo. (That might be the reason why HRC didn't do as well in the Dem primaries as originally expected.)
Nevertheless, the public isn't in extraordinary pain... yet. Electing a genuine progressive to high office is an extraordinary event, and will likely only come in extraordinary times, and only after centrist and center-right politicians have proven beyond doubt that triangulation and accommodation of the right wing are only the means of winning office, rather than the path to solving some of society's major problems.
Grandpa, nooooooooo!
I have pointed out before, in Phoenix it is perfectly legal to be buried (according to sanitary methods) on property other than ur standard cemetaries, mausoleums or the like. The only provision is that u must amend the title of the property to indicate that a dead guy is buried there, and where.
I intend to be buried under the almond tree.
I take issue with the word "industrialized". We've exported most of our "industry" since about 1980 and are now largely non-industrial, except for our foodstuffs.
The rest of the economy is largely devoted to senselessly shuffling money around, and skimming the cream, financial Ponzi schemes and asking if one wants fries with that.
Perhaps "MikeyD-ized" might be a better term.
It is clear the Bush pushed a policy that would help the sub-prime mortgage players make their quick money and get the hell out while millions of ordinary people lost their homes and what few assets they had. One more conspiracy to defraud the American people. He and his entire administration are a criminal organization.
And another preznidential "accomplishment" fails.
Damn you, Atrios!
Just because the Big Shit Pile and the mortgage foreclosure debacle have caused a massive decrease in homeownership on Bush's "watch" -- that's just seeing the glass as half empty!
On the brighter side, the number of renters and families living in shelters has increased exponentially during the Bush years. So, some things did go "UP" under Bush -- like food and fuel prices, but fortunately they're not included in the CPI; otherwise, inflation would be 10 or 12%! And what a consumer confidence killer that would be.
As the President's own mother pointed out regarding the victims of Hurricane Katrina: "So many of the people in the Arena were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them."
Clearly, Barbara Bush always sees the glass as half full or better, just like her preternaturally optimistic eldest son.
And the same goes for the estimated 4.7 million Iraqis who have been displaced both within and outside Iraq since 2003 -- and for many of whom the situation is desperate:
A new report by Amnesty International, Rhetoric and reality: the Iraqi refugee crisis, says that the international community continues to fail to respond to the crisis in a meaningful way. Countries like Jordan and Syria host most of the refugees but are simply not equipped to meet the needs of all those arriving.
Amnesty International always sees the glass as half empty! Typical liberal pessimisti.
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suddenly, americathon doesn't seem like such a funny movie, now does it?!?!
i am thinking of renting out my car for an extra buck.
oops
scratch that.
now that i think about it, americathon wasn't really that funny; so i guess i mean, suddenly it doesn't seem like an unlikely scenario anymore, now does it!?!?
people living in cars because homes are for the rich
china the leading nation
america in heavy debt
america selling itself to raise cash
Well look, the problem here is those dumb fucktards who borrow 105% to buy their house without any hope of paying it back.
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