I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Impeach!
unpeach!!
Bush, Cheney and their junta need to be on the unemployment line stat!
Fred Thompson and Joan Crawford have risen from the grave.
No. More. Wire. Hangers. EVER!!!!!!!!
Ike could be everything Gustav wasn't for NOLA.
And once Hammerin' Hank does his takeover of Fannie and Freddie, the Obama campaign should push a measure of the public debt that adds the $5.2 trillion of mortgage debt.
Is U6 better than U2? And why didn't Atrios post a video of them singing?
No. More. Wire. Hangers. EVER!!!!!!!!
That is all the Republican party has isn't it?
Hangars/Hangers '08!
From Media Matters:
Media uncritically repeat McCain claim that Obama "will raise" taxes
In reports on Sen. John McCain's acceptance speech at the RNC, several media outlets uncritically reported McCain's claim that Sen. Barack Obama "will raise" taxes, without pointing out that McCain's own chief economic adviser has reportedly said the accusation is inaccurate or that Obama has in fact proposed cutting taxes for low- and middle-income families and raising them only on households earning more than $250,000 per year.
This was just posted at the end of the last thread and is republished here as a public service:
It really appears that the entire proffered narrative defining Sarah Palin is a lie, and that everything about Obama that has and will come out of her mouth is a Damned Lie. And she thinks that she is immune from being called on this utterly reprehensible, cynical strategy because any attempt to expose it will be denounced as rank sexism by her and an army of surrogates. In short, she is opening up on us with an A-K and then trying to duck behind her own skirts. We can't let her do it, and if the media lets her do it, they will be personally responsible for the collapse of human civilization.
blerb | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 10:56 am | #
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Nice choice, ya made there, Mav!
http://www.laprogressive.com/200...-mean%E2%80%9D/
Fuck, that was like work for a Saturday morning.,. I had to use the google. I feel like George Jetson after a hard day at work when he had to push the button twice.
It is just rumor, but still juicy.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl...2279/657/
588180
Thanks for finding that link, TerryC -- it's all we need:
“So Sambo beat the bitch!”
The country has economic chronic fatigue syndrome. It should get on EBay and sell some moose parts.
Nice find, Terry C.
Of course, Repukes don't find anything wrong with “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean”
I've been telling my business acquaintances that
1) Obama proposes ending cap gains tax for small business
2) McCain wants to end the tax deduction for health insurance payments.
Republicans: Sworn enemy of small business for more than 50 years.
so i had somewhat tongue-in-cheek suggested that the reason palin "outed" her pregnant daughter on national television was that bristol had pushed back on plans for a secret wedding to proceed a formal peggers announcement.
with all the new info on how palin steamrolls anyone who stands up to her, i have removed my tongue from my cheek.
Okay! Our closest and most fun foil has showed up. Maybe now we can play.
Also, we are not sure if we need a troll help line but we welcome trool help line's friendship. We will accept his/hers help.
More and more people, Democrats particularly; find it repulsive and racist.
One reason why Palin was so confident at the Repuke convention -- it helps when you believe it's God's will that has you up there.
Instead, the economy is being slowly ground down.
And we need a man who's spent his adult life in D.C. to fix it, because he's an outsider who brings the change!
Hey, buddy, can ya spare some change?
That Sambo thing has been out there for a couple of days now. Read it yesterday.
The problem with it is that it is hearsay.
You've got to get people on the record who confirm the story, otherwise, it goes viral and the bloggers look like idiots, again.
I bid 50 bucks for one hot, intense night of moose sex with Sarah Palin. Any takers? Todd, Eli, we're looking at you.
I've been telling my business acquaintances that
1) Obama proposes ending cap gains tax for small business
How do you end cap gains for small businesses?
hmm..i love the smell of nationalization for breakfast!
And we need a man who's spent his adult life in D.C. to fix it, because he's an outsider who brings the change!
and community organizing experience doesn't count b/c the guy wasn't even working in govt! (actual republican talking point - no, i'm not kidding)
Steve, I don't know if she's toast. I think she stays on the ticket.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Why do we think she is toast?
The LA Progressive article? Is this a legitimate source?
Vicki, Sarah has not denied saying it, AFAIK.
Zombie lie told at RNC convention and ignored by MSM:
"Most Americans live in small towns."
Think about that. Does that even sound plausible? The NY, and LA metro areas alone make up over 10% of the country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Tab...atistical_Areas
Most Americans BY FAR live in urban areas, and have for at least the last 60 years, probably much longer.
"In 2000, the total population of the U.S. was 281,421,906, the urban population was 222,360,539 (79.01%), and the rural population of the U.S. was 59,061,367 (20.99%)."
http://
rtc.ruralinstitute.umt.ed...ribeFigure2.htm
Which is why being mayor of a small town has jack shit to do with most people's lives. And being a community organizer does.
DWD, there are no confirmed sources on the Sambo comment.
And Little Mexico burned down.
She is far from toast. From below:
Snow, he only looks that way to US...those syncophants at the convention and around MERICA all see a brave, POW who is a "Mavrick" and has chosen a BABE to be our next VP...you know like everyone wanted to have a beer with "W"...
Dancer
The Mad Magazine poster is pretty funny. Not as good as the Condi Star Wars, but still good.
60% of Americans also live within 50 miles of a coast. Heartland, Schmartland.
Jesus was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor. Who knew?
The problem with it is that it is hearsay.
You've got to get people on the record who confirm the story, otherwise, it goes viral and the bloggers look like idiots, again.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Until there is video or at least audio it didn't happen. Also recall she is married to someone who sports some native blood, so she has a built in excuse on that one.
OT, some questions from Americablog:
How long this "conservatorship" period lasts is anyone's guess. Will it even work or will it have to be completely nationalized is another big question and questions during troubled times do not bring confidence. The market is built on confidence so are they helping? Long term, Americans are stuck with the debt until Freddie and Fannie can generate enough revenue to move on. Freddie and Fannie will have to be more cautious with loans until their debt is settled and that is indeed a problem. Moving forward, how interested will the rest of the world be in buying America's credit debt after they lose everything? As a country we have pushed our credit problem to everyone and after this loss, the world is going to be much less interested in buying our problems, rightly so.
Sounds like bills are really coming due.
DWD, there are no confirmed sources on the Sambo comment.
And Little Mexico burned down.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Yeah, I heard that. Sorry to hear that. I have eaten there many times. Nice place
How do you end cap gains for small businesses?
Snow (D-SC) | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 11:04 am | #
When you sell all or part of your small business, you are liable for taxes on the gains.
We would love to see Le Jackel fuck Palin. I would pay a dollar for that.
You've got to get people on the record who confirm the story, otherwise, it goes viral and the bloggers look like idiots, again.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 11:04 am | #
true.
it's better when it's in a cnn transcript, like when nancy pfotenhauer said: "Senator McCain was one of the only people who would call a spade a spade."
i'm sure she didn't mean anything by it.
I think I'm going to make some oatmeal apricot cookies this morning. Problem is I don't have oatmeal flakes which is the best for this. Instead I've got steel cut oatmeal granules, which would make the resulting cookies too chunky. I could pre-grind those granules in a food processor. Do you think this would work?
The broadest measure is U6. It's high.
ME2. Where's a broad to measure?
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Obama: makes oblique reference to not looking like other presidents.
McCain: He played the race card from the bottom of the deck.
Sarah Palin: Unknown placed next in line for the presidency
McCain: Questioning her on anything she's done is sexist.
Which is why being mayor of a small town has jack shit to do with most people's lives. And being a community organizer does.
Newton Minnow
This election is going to be fought, and won or lost, in the 'burbs. The 'burbs don't know from community organizers, mostly, and if they do they are frightened by it.
Honestly I see a constant tone of Obam triumphalism here that very much reminds me of the days before the 2004 election, and I don't understand it.
Half the people you meet are below average. Mostly they only know what they see on TV, and we know who controls the TV.
Jesus was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor. Who knew?
Apparently not Republican Christians...
so i had somewhat tongue-in-cheek suggested that the reason palin "outed" her pregnant daughter on national television was that bristol had pushed back on plans for a secret wedding to proceed a formal peggers announcement
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Just in case anyone needs help remembering what her nickname is meant to convey.
http://www.divemagazine.co.uk/
ne...6SRogerson1.jpg
It is just rumor, but still juicy.
Anything plausible that undermines her sweethreart/neo-feminist/reformer image is good, so long as it is either true or impossible to refute. We don't want another Rather/TANG kerfuffle. It seems there is plenty of perfectly good material that will take her out at the knees, if only our media can be induced to use it and to stop catapulting her Damned Lies in the name of "balance".
The LA Progressive article? Is this a legitimate source?
DWD - Fed Up • → BS
it's got the word "progressive" right in the name!
"In 2000, the total population of the U.S. was 281,421,906, the urban population was 222,360,539 (79.01%), and the rural population of the U.S. was 59,061,367 (20.99%)."
Don't you just love the electoral college?
When you sell all or part of your small business, you are liable for taxes on the gains.
That is true for everyone. So how do you end the cap gains tax on small businesses?
DWD,
Very weird. I was tired last night, didn't cook. Went to Little Mexico right after work, around 5:30 PM and had their flauta, taco, and enchilada dinner, with rice and beans.
Funny that I did that. I haven't gone there in months.
Nancy Pfotenhauer would kill her mother on camera
if she thought it would help McAncient win the election. She's a real piece of work, that one.
The LA Progressive article? Is this a legitimate source?
DWD - Fed Up • → BS
Let her deny it.
Was in a convenience store a few minutes ago. Guy behind the register (50-ish, Caucasian) was telling a friend, "Just don't know about Obama. I can't have him raising my taxes anymore."
Guy was just a clerk, not the owner.
This is part of what we're up against. I was thinking on my way out: maybe I should print and laminate a gross of this chart to pass out at that store...
Oh really? We got some lovely shit on Sahah Palin's long history of racism.
That is true for everyone. So how do you end the cap gains tax on small businesses?
Snow (D-SC)
Couldn't it be as simple as tying the cap to yearly revenue?
Dija hear that the band "Heart" sent a cease and desist letter to the McCain campaign over their use of the Barracuda song?
Here's the Obama small business plan
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/
S...sinessFINAL.pdf
Do you think this would work?
Doug | 09.06.08 - 11:08 am | #
it might mess with the texture of the cookies, but i would partially pre-cook the steel cut oats, then add them to the cookie dough.
(then mail some to ina 
)
Yeah, but Steve Perry has a chubby for Huggy, apparently.
Just in case anyone needs help remembering what her nickname is meant to convey.
http://www.divemagazine.co.uk/ ne...6SRogerson1.jpg
Newton Minnow
For the life of me I couldn't figure out what that barracuda had to do with "Bristol".
Half the people you meet are below average.
Then the other half are above average????
This Sambo story is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard.
There's no tape. It doesn't even SOUND like something someone would say.
This is such a stupid ass non story.
The 'burbs don't know from community organizers, mostly, and if they do they are frightened by it.
Toys for Tots is frightening? Food banks are frightening? Church soup kitchens are frightening?
If you can't stand the heat, keep out the kitchen.
Them whitey Alaskans sure hate on Native Alaskans.
That's right, Trollop.
it might mess with the texture of the cookies, but i would partially pre-cook the steel cut oats, then add them to the cookie dough.
(then mail some to ina )
That was a my other thought. I don't know if I'll have a surplus supply of cookies though I'm cooking up a bunch.
Maybe you could have some of the second batch.
Honestly I see a constant tone of Obam triumphalism here that very much reminds me of the days before the 2004 election, and I don't understand it.
That's been my feeling.
I remember the devestation after Kerry lost in 2004, and I really don't want to get jazzed up and torn down again. We need to proceed with very cautious hope and optimism.
. I was thinking on my way out: maybe I should print and laminate a gross of this chart to pass out at that store...
won't help.
republican talking head on cnn confronted with the tax lie: "well, that's what he SAYS but you know how democrats are, once he is in office he'll raise taxes."
this, btw, was on the same day that the question was raised about how good of a special needs advocate palin will be, considering her 62% cut of spec needs ed in alaska. the repub head answered "she says she will be a friend and we have to take her at her word."
no, i'm not making either of these up.
If you can't stand the heat, keep out the kitchen.
Snow (D-SC)
Once again, you're blithering. Or blathering. I can't keep it straight.
Community organizing = Black Panthers to most people. Guaranteed.
That is true for everyone. So how do you end the cap gains tax on small businesses?
Snow (D-SC) | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 11:10 am | #
It's pretty simple: Tax code can say, "proceeds from sales of a closely held business for up for $X shall not be liable for Federal income or cap gains tax as long as the business meets the following conditions ... "
Hmm. Thinks back to FL McCain supporter saying, "How can we beat the bitch?" about Hillary - thinks people WOULD say it.
The distribution of people I meet is not normally distributed. I tend to hang out in places where they are more likely to be above average.
Trolls excepted.
And what do you think them Russki loving, Aryan Nation, whitey Alaskan freaks think about black folks?
Maybe you could have some of the second batch.
Doug |
thanks.
are you using dried apricots or fresh/frozen?
This Sambo story is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard.
are you like 2 years old or do you just lead a really sheltered life?
I think Palin stays on the ticket. This is their final play. They have been setting all of this up for a long time. I hope it turns out good for our side but I can't say that I am not afraid.
This Sambo story is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard.
There's no tape. It doesn't even SOUND like something someone would say.
This is such a stupid ass non story.
Wow
When the trolls try to dismiss something, I think it's definitely something that should be pursued.
Maybe there's a tape somewhere, like the one of Mark Fuhrman.
There's no tape. It doesn't even SOUND like something someone would say.
It sounds exactly like something Palin would say and I've heard similar remarks from people from similar backgrounds many times.
Pfotenhauer, Perino ... it is to gnash the teeth.
Corporate bidding for Perino will start at ten million.
Here's the Obama small business plan
That isn't a plan. It is platitudes. How is he going to end cap gains taxes on small businesses?
Hi.
.Let her deny it.
rootless-e, sickened
It's a non-starter from the POV of the Obama campaign and/or any other big-league media outlet. It's Rather/TANG bait. Fine for it to circulate on the mucky bottom of the blogosphere along with all the scurrilous shit about Obama, but deadly if catapulted into the mass media. They can take her out perfectly well with stuff that is provable and on the record. She is a vicious liar in the things she's said about Obama. Mybe they can start with that.
Dija hear that the band "Heart" sent a cease and desist letter to the McCain campaign over their use of the Barracuda song?
Doug | 09.06.08 - 11:11 am
This isn't the first cease and desist they've gotten. So when does Team GDumbya's Intellectual Property Czar step in and call 'em out?
Just say no to additional breaks for capital gains taxes. The first dollar of wages is counted as income while only 25% of long term capital gains is considered income.
That is true for everyone. So how do you end the cap gains tax on small businesses?
Snow (D-SC)
Simple, like the rides at the fair, put a mark on the gate with a sign:
You must be at least this big to pay capital gains tax.
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"I remember the devestation after Kerry lost in 2004, and I really don't want to get jazzed up and torn down again. We need to proceed with very cautious hope and optimism."
I'll second that. Really, if the sheeple were not stupid they would not have elected a repug as president 5 0f the last 7 elections.
This is why I will never be elected to anything.
Well, we could all run around screaming "The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!" all the time. That might help get Obama elected.
I think the stupidest thing I ever heard was "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud" or maybe Colin Powell's UN speech about Saddam's WMD.
I really don't want to get jazzed up and torn down again. We need to proceed with very cautious hope and optimism.
By 'We' I assume you mean 'I.' That said, I remain cautiously optimistic.
Pfotenhauer, Perino ... it is to gnash the teeth.
don't forget carli ferraririno.
I'm just hoping that Obama's campaign can come up with something a little more compelling this week than having Joe Biden talk about what a swell guy John McCain is.
Maybe they could mention those unemployment figures.
Seems like some campaign consultant who is being paid roughly 20 times my salary could come up with something memorable, like "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?"
I'm not trying to be all concern-y, but I was just a little less plugged in to the blogs and my usual news sources than usual last week, and I don't remember hearing jack from Obama's campaign, much less a strong rebuttal to McCain's dreary bullshit speech.
If there was a great response, I'd like to know, but I guarantee all most people heard was what got on my radar, which was how Palin hit a "home run" and McCain "defined" himself.
The urban population in the US surpassed the rural population by 1920.
http://www.census.gov/population...a/
urpop0090.txt
This is a zombie lie that we've lived with for 90 years, while the right diverts resources from the cities and tells us we're unAmerican compared to "the heartland".
They have 20% of the population and the MSM helps them masquerade as the "real America".
That isn't a plan. It is platitudes. How is he going to end cap gains taxes on small businesses?
Snow (D-SC) | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 11:17 am | #
Your question makes no sense. Taxes are collected under "tax laws" which spell out what is a taxable benefit and what is not.
Palin stays. The bad news is that she rallies the Republican Base, which was gonna vote for McBush anyway.
The good news is that she really rallies women to vote for Obama. This seals the deal for even the most disaffected Hillary supporter, in my opinion.
Once again, you're blithering. Or blathering. I can't keep it straight.
Community organizing = Black Panthers to most people. Guaranteed.
Adam Hominem
No, I don't think so. A) Most people don't remember the Black Panthers. You have to keep in mind the majority of the electorate is under 50, which means they've never heard of the Black Panters, except in a history class or an "old" movie If then).
B) Most people don't give two thoughts to "community organizers." That may be a dog whistle to rural parts of the American West (like Alaska), but it's hardly a major hot button issue.
C) Many people know "community organizers" as the folks who run Meals on Wheels or similar organizations, which help white folks as well as "minorities." Again, if they know them at all.
I think that phrase resonates with the GOP base (a tiny percentage of the electorate) and offends many more (from the responses I've heard, and not just on this blog).
. So when does Team GDumbya's Intellectual Property Czar step in and call 'em out?
Tom - 大肚腩 | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 11:17 am | #
call them out? whom do you think is writing their speeches?
Generally, whenever the Republicans control the administration they run up the deficit. What is a deficit? A fucking tax. And you is paying for it. You, you silly fuck.
Well, we could all run around screaming "The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!" all the time. That might help get Obama elected.
plantsman
I don't think anyone is doing that.
BTW, I made a typo back there, but I like it: I need a bumper sticker that says O BAM! A.
Honestly I see a constant tone of Obam triumphalism here that very much reminds me of the days before the 2004 election, and I don't understand it.
Obama's not Kerry. He is running a much better campaign.
The situation is vastly different than in 2004 in any direction you want to look. And it's all much worse.
Obama beat the Clintons. The Clintons would have beat Bush in 2000 and 2004.
They have 20% of the population and the MSM helps them masquerade as the "real America".
Newton Minnow
Which is why Obama's appeal to "the real America" beyond such labels and categories is so compelling.
If there was a great response, I'd like to know, but I guarantee all most people heard was what got on my radar, which was how Palin hit a "home run" and McCain "defined" himself.
Doc
Joe Biden goes medieval on the RNC
The good news is that she really rallies women to vote for Obama. This seals the deal for even the most disaffected Hillary supporter, in my opinion.
David Derbes, ochen' pissed.
Only if the stark contrast between what she is and what she purports herself to be is made perfectly clear to the American public.
What billy b said.
Half the people you meet are below average.
Then the other half are above average????
i think that would be teh median - the 50/50 rule...average is simply a formula
/sadistical pedant
Remember how the wingnuts tried to start a "whisper" campaign about how Obama was a closet Muslim? And how they sent out millions of emails with an elaborate lie about how Obama had been raised as an American-hating Muslim since birth? And how it didn't work and nobody believed it because the "sources" were never "confirmed" or "went on the record" or were "taped"? And how the wingnuts that tried to start such a dispicable rumor were ostracized from the Republican Party by its leaders who stood up and said in a loud voice "we're better than this"?
Yeah, I don't remember that either...
I saw one NOBAMA sticker here -- didn't like that.
I'm using Turkish dried apricots, which I've found work the best.
This recipe is the same as one for raisin-oatmeal cookies with the substitution of apricots for raisins.
This Sambo story is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard.
There's no tape. It doesn't even SOUND like something someone would say.
New to this planet, sre ye?
Damn, they show up then they run away. But they will return again. We will all have fun then.
No, I don't think so. A) Most people don't remember the Black Panthers. You have to keep in mind the majority of the electorate is under 50, which means they've never heard of the Black Panters, except in a history class or an "old" movie If then).
Shouldn't have said Panthers. I was using it to stand in for very scary black people.
B) Most people don't give two thoughts to "community organizers." That may be a dog whistle to rural parts of the American West (like Alaska), but it's hardly a major hot button issue.
Not now. Not yet.
C) Many people know "community organizers" as the folks who run Meals on Wheels or similar organizations, which help white folks as well as "minorities." Again, if they know them at all.
I very much hope so.
I think that phrase resonates with the GOP base (a tiny percentage of the electorate) and offends many more (from the responses I've heard, and not just on this blog).
Rmj, Sweet Crude Theologist
Hope so.
I think that phrase resonates with the GOP base (a tiny percentage of the electorate) and offends many more (from the responses I've heard, and not just on this blog).
Rmj, Sweet Crude Theologist
i get the sense that you are correct - esp in the non-batshit-insane religious community. what is missionary work if not community organizing?
what astounds me is that the very same people who decry gov't involvement in social programs would slam someone for being involved in non-gov't community asssistance. logically, wouldn't someone with experience on that side of things know how to utilize its strenghts?
oops - sorry about that. i uesd the word "logically."
Obama beat the Clintons. The Clintons would have beat Bush in 2000 and 2004. billy b
If we ran the Williams sisters we'd be unbeatable!!!
If there was a great response, I'd like to know, but I guarantee all most people heard was what got on my radar, which was how Palin hit a "home run" and McCain "defined" himself.
Doc
That was yesterday, and frankly, TDS showed just how much McCain "defined" himself. The fruit is not just hanging low on this one, it's one the ground to be picked up.
Less than 60 days to go, and never forget: Obama raised $10 million in the time between Palin's speech and the end of McCain's speech.
The RNC raised $1 million.
Money talks. In more ways than just ad buys.
Hillary is doing events with Obama next week. Per the Obama campaign:
On MONDAY, September 8, U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York will campaign in Florida on behalf of Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama. Her visit will include a Change We Need rally for voters in Tampa and a community event on the economy in Kissimmee.
At both events, Sen. Clinton will address the choice we have in this election – between a new direction for our economy or four more years of the Bush failed economic policies that McCain-Palin is offering. She will talk about the Obama-Biden plan for immediate and lasting relief for America’s working families.
Can only help.
Obama: makes oblique reference to not looking like other presidents.
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After McCain actually DID put Obama's face on a dollar bill to show how America would change:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
mi...o_b_116451.html
The good news is that she really rallies women to vote for Obama.
My semi-conservative 24-year-old co-worker with a rabidly wingnut boyfroend: "She's a Nazi."
Followed by five minutes on who fucking cares if McCain was a POW 40 years ago...
Now, that has me inquiring. Was Todd Palin ever a member of the Aryan Nations?
Morning, good folks.
There's no tape. It doesn't even SOUND like something someone would say.
there was a tape, but someone recorded michelle obama saying 'whitey' over it.
Another Getting To Know You Video
Only if the stark contrast between what she is and what she purports herself to be is made perfectly clear to the American public.
blerb
True, but it's going viral. Watch.
In two to three weeks, every woman in this country will know where Palin stands on choice, censorship, and Christianity.
And it's well to the right of ninety-five percent of the country.
Add to this that she is a singularly unpleasant person, and I think the GOP has a serious problem, particularly given the likelihood of her becoming Pres if McCain is somehow elected.
After RNC Speech, Republicans Court Lieberman to Make the Switch Official
Lieberman has been caucusing with Democrats, who in turn have honored his seniority and permitted him to serve as chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.
Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, a senior Republican, said he intended to try to pry Lieberman from the Democratic fold, beginning with Monday’s cloture vote on a motion to proceed to the fiscal 2009 defense authorization bill (S 3001).
“I would like to see him vote with Republicans in September,” Specter said. “He’s practically there. That would have the consequence of giving us a Republican Senate.”
Specter said he’s ready to renew a months-long discussion with Lieberman about switching parties.
Lieberman says he still considers himself a Democrat.
“I remain a Democrat. A disappointed Democrat, but a Democrat,” he said Sept. 3, hours after his speech at the Republican National Convention on behalf of his close friend, GOP presidential nominee Sen. John McCain of Arizona.
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Just a minute.
Are we being coy here?
They started the Obama is a secret muslim who wants to fuck your sister and we're not suppose to touch this because it's hearsay?
Fuck that.
If we ran the Williams sisters we'd be unbeatable!!!
Venus and Serena are amazing. Amazing.
what astounds me is that the very same people who decry gov't involvement in social programs would slam someone for being involved in non-gov't community asssistance. logically, wouldn't someone with experience on that side of things know how to utilize its strenghts?
oops - sorry about that. i uesd the word "logically."
dirk gently,sociopathetic
Yeah, there's a grotesgue illogic in the GOP campaign. But political campaigns ain't about logic, they're emotional appeal. "Community organizers" hasn't been denigrated enough to become a hot button, that's my sole point.
It's a whiff for Palin, at best. At worst, it pisses people off. And the fact Obama raised $10 million, largely on the strength of her speech, tells me plenty of people are pissed off.
They can take her out perfectly well with stuff that is provable and on the record. She is a vicious liar in the things she's said about Obama. Mybe they can start with that.
blerb | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 11:17 am | #
I don't get why people think there will be a difference between Repuke/Media response to true accusations and response to plausible ones that lack supporting documentation.
My semi-conservative 24-year-old co-worker with a rabidly wingnut boyfroend: "She's a Nazi."
Followed by five minutes on who fucking cares if McCain was a POW 40 years ago...
Wow - they hate America almost as much as liberals!
I very much hope so.
Hope isn't a part of any recipe for success. Keep out the kitchen if you ain't planning on cooking. Critics can sit in the dining room and wait to be served.
what astounds me is that the very same people who decry gov't involvement in social programs would slam someone for being involved in non-gov't community asssistance. logically, wouldn't someone with experience on that side of things know how to utilize its strenghts?
oops - sorry about that. i uesd the word "logically."
dirk gently,sociopathetic
WRT community organizing, bear in mind how very long these people fought against feeding dependent children, which was known as "welfare". If they're against that, whyever wouldn't they be against community organizing, or whatever you call it? it's all black folks getting uppity, after all..
But, but, Eyeglass shops are ordering zillions of frames like Sarah's! She's the biggest thing in eyewear since Ashleigh Banfield!
Obama beat the Clintons. The Clintons would have beat Bush in 2000 and 2004.
billy b
cnn calls new hampshire a toss-up, based apparently in the fact that obama lost his primary there and mccain won his.
"They have 20% of the population and the MSM helps them masquerade as the "real America"."
I wouldn't underestimate the power of that image.
"we" all want to live in that mythical small town, you see.
"we" also want to live in the sunbelt, or california, or phoenix.
it's only one small step removed from wrapping yourself in the flag.
it's also actually much like what happens when you argue with a christian. they base their arguments and beliefs on christianity. ok - but then when you argue the other side it's easy to get labeled as attacking religion.
the repugs claim the mantle of mayberry, and the sheeple will not like anyone attacking mayberry.
it doesn't make sense, but I don't think politics are about making sense.
You can't throw a dead moose far in Alaska with out hitting a devout member of the Aryan Nations.
billy b., Yesterday someone was posting as Billy B. Was that you or a namestealer.
They started the Obama is a secret muslim who wants to fuck your sister and we're not suppose to touch this because it's hearsay? Fuck that. HoneyBearKelly
From your longshoreman's mouth to FSM's tentacled ear.
I've always hated that particular style of eyewear that Scarah sports.
Always.
And I am a lass who wears glasses.
We're the Democrats -- and you ain't one, Joe.
Hope isn't a part of any recipe for success. Keep out the kitchen if you ain't planning on cooking. Critics can sit in the dining room and wait to be served.
Snow (D-SC)
You really are stoopit, aren't cha?
Dude, I was stuffing envelopes for SNCC when I was 10. Don't even try that shite with me.
Cue for Snow to cry LIAR! LIAR! Which is what he always done after uttering some insult or incomprehensible statement.
Hope isn't a part of any recipe for success.
Snow (D-SC)
I respectfully disagree. Hope is driving much of the Obama engine. (And to be honest, so is fear. I'm scared to death of Sarah Palin as president. I can easily imagine her thinking "God wants me to bomb the heathen Chinese" or something, as her manicured finger pushes that cute red button.)
It isn't sufficient, but I think it is absolutely necessary.
I don't get why people think there will be a difference between Repuke/Media response to true accusations and response to plausible ones that lack supporting documentation.
rootless-e, sickened
Because if they are incontrovertibly true, there is a non-zero probability that their authors will not be instantly canned by their bosses in response to the pushback from the Mighty Wurlitzer, like Dan Rather was.
it doesn't make sense, but I don't think politics are about making sense.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
BING FUCKING O.
I swear, MSNBC had a story on Scarah's frames being a big hit (in Dallas, or somewhere)
WRT community organizing, bear in mind how very long these people fought against feeding dependent children, which was known as "welfare". If they're against that, whyever wouldn't they be against community organizing, or whatever you call it? it's all black folks getting uppity, after all..
Adam Hominem
Agreed, but the phrase "community organizer" has never been linked to "welfare queens." It took a decade or more for welfare to go from "helping others" (the basic idea of JFK, which LBJ carried forward on the back of people like MLK) to "government handouts" to "welfare cheats." Reagan finally made that a part of public perception and policy in the '80's, 16 years after LBJ's Great Society first entered the law.
I don't think Palin is going to do a hat trick with "community organizers" in less than 60 days.
Morning all.
It's nice to wake up and not hear helicopters going over the house. Never again.
I think the "Sarah Palin is a racist" story should be dropped, not because it is unprovable, but because it will only solidify her support with her base.
Dude, I was stuffing envelopes for SNCC when I was 10.
So what happened then?
I've always hated that particular style of eyewear that Scarah sports.
Always.
And I am a lass who wears glasses.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
It's the eyes behind the glasses that get me--the ones going round and round and round.
I respectfully disagree. Hope is driving much of the Obama engine. (And to be honest, so is fear. I'm scared to death of Sarah Palin as president. I can easily imagine her thinking "God wants me to bomb the heathen Chinese" or something, as her manicured finger pushes that cute red button.)
LBJ beat Goldwater with that fear, using just one ad run one time.
Just sayin'.....
She already HAS her base.
Dude, I was stuffing envelopes for SNCC when I was 10.
So what happened then?
Snow (D-SC)
The Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, or Snick as we knew 'em, seemed to have up and disappeared into the maw of SDS, as near as I remember.
We're the Democrats -- and you ain't one, Joe.
plantsman
What plantsman said.
Look, I don't see that Lieberman's votes have helped out the Dems much since his re-election, but because of seniority, that election helped him out a great deal in terms of a coveted committee chairmanship.
Let him hop on over to the GOP caucus for a couple of months, but strip him of his chairmanship. Not much is going to get done until the next Congress anyway because Pelosi and Reid don't have the spine to make real things happen.
The republics mocking Obama on the community organizer thing is a slow pitch that's going to be smacked into the center field cheap seats.
The need for people like community organizers has undoubtedly increased exponentially due to the past 30 years of republicanism. Just point this out.
Because if they are incontrovertibly true, there is a non-zero probability that their authors will not be instantly canned by their bosses in response to the pushback from the Mighty Wurlitzer, like Dan Rather was.
blerb | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 11:29 am | #
Thats a perfect case in point. It is indisputable that Bush failed to meet his national guard obligations and stopped flying for some reason he has worked hard to hide. But despite the highly documented facts, the Pukes were able to get Rather fired through a nasty trick.
Get a fucking gold plated Tablet from Mount Sinai and video tape and they will create some diversion and cry about fakes.
hese people fought against feeding dependent children, which was known as "welfare". If they're against that, whyever wouldn't they be against community organizing, or whatever you call it?
oh, i know that's what many of them FEEL. but it isn't what the campaign SAYS. and don't discount the great white burden of taking care of those poor ignorant savages, either. the official line is that local community non-gov't agencies are far more efficient than the inept gov't.
it's the contradiction to which i was referring, i realize that has nothing to do with how people vote.
I understand Alaska Independence Party is code in some circles for Aryan Nations. You can spot them by the 88 tatts they sport.
OK, Derbes, that speech from Biden was pretty good, and made me feel a little better.
Thing is, we ought to have another 20 prominent Democrats out there saying exactly the same thing. That way, there's a chance one might make it onto the Nightly News, which sucks but is still the source many people turn to.
I keep hearing that McCain wants to tax health insurance benefits people receive from their employers. That ought to be on billboards, newspaper ads, TV commercials, etc. basically 24/7. In my book, it kind of cuts into the whole "Obama will raise your taxes" canard.
I am not a hugely paid consultant, but I can look at the news and the facts and come up with a few things I think would work better than what I'm seeing now.
Damn, they show up then they run away. But they will return again. We will all have fun then.
Number 7 troll
Happy trolls, just scampering around and pooping all over the floor.
unfortunately i don't think it will win obama a lot of votes to point out that the repub vp candidate may've used nasty words to point out that obama is black and clinton is a woman. ymmv.
So what happened then?
Snow (D-SC)
Let's see. I was on staff for an underground paper. Went to work for McGovern. Gave money to Jimmy Carter. Did some hoping and writing for good causes. And so on up to the present.
You?
I'm starting to think I oughta ask you for your badge number, which is just about as inflammatory as the shit you throw at me on a regular basis.
I wouldn't underestimate the power of that image.
"we" all want to live in that mythical small town, you see.
"we" also want to live in the sunbelt, or california, or phoenix.
it's only one small step removed from wrapping yourself in the flag.
That passion goes in and out of style. It's as American as cherry pie, and almost as cyclical as the phases of the moon.
I think it's on the wane right now. But I could be wrong.
Well, RMJ, why the hell not? It's a genuine worry.
She's out of her tiny little mind. She makes Jack D. Ripper look like Schopenhauer.
as her manicured finger pushes that cute red button.)
I suspect that is the very fantasy that led John "My face is up here John" McCain to select her.
it's the contradiction to which i was referring, i realize that has nothing to do with how people vote.
dirk gently,sociopathetic
K. Gotcha.
If you don't help Obama, Hillary, I will never speak to you again (if I ever meet you).
And so on up to the present.
When hand-wringing and nay-saying became the plan of the day?
O.M.G.
Christian Ska band performs "Jesus is My Friend"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7...h?v=7-
NOZU2iPA8
This one leaves a mark on your skull.
The need for people like community organizers has undoubtedly increased exponentially due to the past 30 years of republicanism. Just point this out.
That's it, my friend.
I remember in 99 (maybe) when Clinton started his new volunteerism bit w/ Powell. Folks were up in arms because they thought these were thing that the government should have been doing all along. It fit both of their images, but folks in the "community" were none too pleased.
The new "Getting to Know You" vid is not very factual -- the implications are not as solid as watching Huggy twist his ring -- they're vague platitudes about Pat Buchanan, not Sarah Palin, imho.
Glad to oblige, Doc.
I am hoping for serious fireworks tomorrow on the Sabbath Gasbags. Biden is on all hour on MTP (Brokaw), and Obama is on This Week with Steph.
cnn calls new hampshire a toss-up, based apparently in the fact that obama lost his primary there and mccain won his.
heh. That's some republic logic there. Once Hill got untracked, her campaign was a good one. McCain't's not so much.
"we" also want to live in the sunbelt, or california, or phoenix.
but dad wants us all to move to manhatten
billy b., Yesterday someone was posting as Billy B. Was that you or a namestealer.
Me.
I keep hearing that McCain wants to tax health insurance benefits people receive from their employers. That ought to be on billboards, newspaper ads, TV commercials, etc. basically 24/7. In my book, it kind of cuts into the whole "Obama will raise your taxes" canard.
I heard an old guy the other day saying how much he LOVED his girl Sarah, b/c you see his son is a Marine and if that Obama gets in he's going to cut the military and the defense dept and yet also return us to Big Government and raise everyone's taxes!!!!
PhiloSurfical
Browse Thematically Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
http://philosurfical-application...pen.ac.uk:8080/
Though this guy recommends running this on Firefox I find it runs best on Opera. Under Opera there are less problems and freezing due to his tortured Java-script.
The need for people like community organizers has undoubtedly increased exponentially due to the past 30 years of republicanism. Just point this out.
billy b
Tie it to Meals on Wheels and similar programs, which are the work of "community organizers". Or The Metropolitan Organization, a Catholic based group that works with local churches and community groups on community issues. Many people know these groups and like them, and don't think of them as "welfare".
Honestly, I think this ia a non-issue and a no-brainer. I don't think it reaches beyond the narrow GOP base.
unfortunately i don't think it will win obama a lot of votes to point out that the repub vp candidate may've used nasty words to point out that obama is black and clinton is a woman. ymmv.
ina, heroine | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 11:32 am | #
those honkey breeder bastards!
If Dad will pay the rent, I'll move to Manhattan, the second greatest city in the world, tomorrow.
(London is Numero Uno. IMHO.)
The only thing about Vonage I hate is having to delete all the "Not Available" calls I won't answer on general principles.
When hand-wringing and nay-saying became the plan of the day?
Snow (D-SC)
That's an interesting way to characterize it, and it certainly says as much about you as about me.
I think it's important to understand the current dynamic and try to anticipate future ones, so that when action is taken, it is the right action. Your mileage apparently varies.
So I guess that it's become a media truth that Palin shoved her daughter in front of all the cameras b/c of those nasty lieberal bloggers. Just heard the NicePoliteRepublicans repeating the lie yet again.
So - where would I be placed in the employment game? Ten hours (way out of my 'field') a week, post retirement?
K. Gotcha.
Adam Hominem | 09.06.08 - 11:34 am | #
what the fuck do you mean by THAT?
(sorry. just messing with you.)
Oh, yeah; Wittgenstein. Maybe after more coffee.
Not only is the US over 80% urban: most of the country really IS empty, flyover country. We rank 180 out of 241 in pop density. Right behind Madagascar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Lis...ulation_density
You know, the GOP had their lil' party RIGHT across the street from the Dorothy Day Center, a homeless shelter.
I didn't hear of any volunteering going on on their part.
Part-time, post-retirement, crazy person.
How's the UB40?
I'm starting to think I oughta ask you for your badge number,
This isn't that inflammatory really.
Heck even WGG admitted one night that that he'd been in Military intelligence in the day, though he also said he skated through his time there.
I think the "Sarah Palin is a racist" story should be dropped, not because it is unprovable, but because it will only solidify her support with her base.
The Kenosha Kid
I think it should be dropped because there isn't enough meat there to change her image in the eyes of the swing voters, and there are better weaknesses to exploit.
Right now, the subconscious frame that Plain fits into is "nurturing salt-of-the-Earth supermom who took on the Old Boy Network", sort of like Erin Brockovitch. We need to erase that subconscious frame and replace it with "evil lying, scheming bitch", more like Sarah Michelle Gellar in Cruel Intentions.
Sexist strategy? Well, yes, sort of, but they're doing everything they can to put the "scary uppity nigger" frame around Obama, so there is really no alternative. The high road just won't work here.
Ten will get you twenty Sarah Palin, Bristol Palin, Todd Palin and Eli Johnston are quite familiar with the 88 words of the Aryan Nations creed.
"That passion goes in and out of style. It's as American as cherry pie, and almost as cyclical as the phases of the moon."
no doubt it changes but I believe the idea that there is such a thing as a real amerikin is as old as the nation.
maybe you mean the let's move to the sunbelt fuck the rust belt - yeah that might sort of change but seems to me Las vegas is still growing - and requiring a lot of water at federal expense.
maybe it's just me, but I've had people, many people, tell me they'd like to move to alaska. When i tell them I'd never want to live there they are disturbed.
ok "we" all live in urban areas, but "we" really want to live in the country. with all the trappings of urban life (malls, restaurants, etc..)
americans are crazy.
I heard an old guy the other day saying how much he LOVED his girl Sarah, b/c you see his son is a Marine and if that Obama gets in he's going to cut the military and the defense dept and yet also return us to Big Government and raise everyone's taxes!!!!
JeffCO
Christ. I pay a little less than $700 a month for health insurance, plus the deductibles and co-pays. Taxes on top of it?
I lived in Canada for a brief time in the early seventies. I'm having a hell of a time remembering why I wanted to come back.
billy b. Thanks, I was wondering why you changed your nym. But it's not important.
Madagascar has some really cool native plants and animals.
b/c of those nasty lieberal bloggers.
Or, that public outcry forced her and her handlers to create another, more palatable story....
Big Time
WSJ -- "In the Middle East, Russian arms-dealing has endangered the prospects for peace and freedom in the region," the vice president said. "Russia has sold advanced weapons to the regimes in Syria and Iran. [And] some of the Russian weapons sold to Damascus have been channeled to terrorist fighters in Lebanon and Iraq."
More broadly, Russia's leaders are lapsing into "the discredited notion that any country can claim an exclusive zone of authority, to be held together by muscle and threats," Mr. Cheney said.
I don't think Palin is going to do a hat trick with "community organizers" in less than 60 days.
"Community organizer" is just code for scary black liberal/radical.
Almost every time you see someone on the news referred to as a community organizer, it is a black person who is angry about something (generally justifiably IMHO).
The underlying assumption is white-people-don't-need-no-community-organizing because they are the the true community, the true citizens -- everybody else (people of color) are just hangers-on and free-loaders and community organizers just needlessly stir them up. "Community organizer" is the new "outside agitator."
Sarah, you shouldn't read those moonbat blogs that demean you. Only read good stuff about yourself, thereby boosting your confidence.
michael moore on larry king from teh michigan bowling alley AND allowing free downloads of his next movie, BRILLIANT!
Red, red wine!
Well, RMJ, why the hell not? It's a genuine worry.
She's out of her tiny little mind. She makes Jack D. Ripper look like Schopenhauer.
David Derbes, ochen' pissed.
I agree. I'm saying it worked before, and the worry is still there. Especially for boomers like moi.
Heard a soundtrack from a civil defense "duck 'n' cover" film yesterday on a local radio station. Boy, did that bring back grim memories.....
ok "we" all live in urban areas, but "we" really want to live in the country. with all the trappings of urban life (malls, restaurants, etc..)
americans are crazy.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Absolutely, and it is damned near to the root of all evil, since it makes us build roads and despoil wilderness and build suburbs and drive, drive, drive.
Part-time, post-retirement, crazy person.
I thought that was the classification!
So, what has Stonewall Sarah been lying about today?
socialized finance:
NEW YORK (Fortune) -- It took two months, but the bond market called Henry Paulson's bluff: The Treasury Secretary was widely expected this weekend to announce a plan to take Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under government control.
News reports say the mortgage giants will be placed under a "conservatorship" of their new regulator, the Federal Housing Finance Agency. That would enable the government to gradually invest funds in the troubled mortgage giants.
to you, too!
Sexist strategy? Well, yes, sort of,
i'm not sure that it is. it's a debate strategy.
if your opponent puts forth an arguement ("she'd be a great president because she's a great mom") you have two ways to combat it.
1) there's no evidence that being a great mom would make a great president
or
2) no, she's a shitty mom.
either is valid.
WRT community organizing, bear in mind how very long these people fought against feeding dependent children, which was known as "welfare".
True. Welfare really gets a lot of people pissed.
However, now that the whole country is in the shitter as a direct result of republic policies and many more people are staring into an economic abyss, I think the attitudes toward assisting people in need are different.
Almost every time you see someone on the news referred to as a community organizer, it is a black person who is angry about something (generally justifiably IMHO).
The underlying assumption is white-people-don't-need-no-community-organizing because they are the the true community, the true citizens -- everybody else (people of color) are just hangers-on and free-loaders and community organizers just needlessly stir them up. "Community organizer" is the new "outside agitator."
Toonscribe: Obama/Biden 08
Thank you.
Part-time, post-retirement, crazy person.
plantsman
Heh...Todd Palin is still in town attending some big snowmobile bit.
of course, your opponent most likely knows how to spell "argument"
Cheney obviously thinks it is still 1967 or so.
I think the attitudes toward assisting people in need are different.
billy b
Gotcha. (I'd say I hope you are right, but got shit for that).
"Community organizer" is just code for scary black liberal/radical.
So was "welfare queen." But it took years to make that obvious.
As I say, I don't think they can do this in 60 days and make a majority of the electorate hear it.
WTF, it looks like Ike will hit New Orleans as a big one. The only thing helping would be if it goes inland in Cuba and weakens. But it will still have a lot of time in the Gulf to intensify.
snowmobile
Snow MACHINE, plz.
You know, the GOP had their lil' party RIGHT across the street from the Dorothy Day Center, a homeless shelter.
I didn't hear of any volunteering going on on their part
I'm surprised the RNC didn't have the military over at the homeless shelter.
"we" also want to live in the sunbelt, or california, or phoenix.
No you don't.
Good morning, all.
I have a couple of questions about the earlier post.
At the Open Left post Bowers says all members of both parties regularly decry big government, but I haven't heard that theme from Obama. Good government is what I've heard him talke about, but particular reference to size.
Does anyone know that he's been cashing in on the big government buggaboo? Maybe I've missed it.
And why does the preferred stock get protected while the common stock holders go into the tank.
I get guaranteeing debt, I guess, but can't the weight be born by stockholders mores equitably?
Obvious ignorant about this stock business thing-y. Thanks for any enlightenment.
.
I had forgotten about LuLu Belle's, but not the Pink Pony or the arty movie theatre where I saw Caligula in Scottsdale.
Snow MACHINE, plz.
Heh...too vague.
WTF, it looks like Ike will hit New Orleans as a big one.
If only we had some kind of Ike turner.
billy b. Thanks, I was wondering why you changed your nym. But it's not important.
Caps is at work.
lower case at home.
I think I'm cute.
It's hot as Hades in AZ. It will be 100F or so today, but...
with gentle cooling breezes.
WTF, it looks like Ike will hit New Orleans as a big one. The only thing helping would be if it goes inland in Cuba and weakens. But it will still have a lot of time in the Gulf to intensify.
William
What did Cuba ever do to you? 
Cheney, don't let the "Irrelevant" door hit your ass on the way out, 'kay?
If Ike heads for New Orleans, this time there won't be any Republican Convention to save the city. I'm concerned
Gotcha. (I'd say I hope you are right, but got shit for that).
It's all good.
no doubt it changes but I believe the idea that there is such a thing as a real amerikin is as old as the nation.
"Spoon River Anthology" and "Winesburg, Ohio" killed it in the early 20th century. "Sex and the City" made NY much more attractive than Topeka, at least to my daughter's generation (i.e., the ones voting for Obama).
There's always a myth of the "American West." But it's appeal waxes and wanes, too.
Do they have bushes in Baghdad for Big Time to hide behind?
Ms. Palin marched ahead, making the public case for a sales-tax increase
from the WSJ. A much more effective line of attack (with her base) than calling her a racist.
I think I'm cute.
we think so too
It's hot as Hades in AZ. It will be 100F or so today, but.
Hah! 107F
"Almost every time you see someone on the news referred to as a community organizer, it is a black person who is angry about something"
anyone from Philadelphia will know the name ramona africa. For those who don't, she was the lone adult survivor of the Move bombing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE
I once by chance got to spend time with ramona. on TV she is as angry as anyone you'll ever see. In person she is as warm and welcoming a person as I've ever met.
I told her you know I'm kind of surprised that you are not angry. I've only ever seen you angry.
she gently reminded me they only ever put her on the tv when there's something they want to talk about that she is angry about.
(lesson learned)
It is indisputable that Bush failed to meet his national guard obligations and stopped flying for some reason he has worked hard to hide. But despite the highly documented facts, the Pukes were able to get Rather fired through a nasty trick.
It is NOT indisputible, because they were able to get all the official records scrubbed by their insider cronies. Then they offered a fake "proof" as bait. A very good object lesson, that. Incontrovertible means either that she is on tape saying or doing whatever it is, or that the actions involved are a part of the public record that cannot be dissapeared. Fortunately for us, her ability to dissapear stuff from her past in Alaska is not nearly what Dim Sin's was wrt Texas, because she apparently has many enemies there in positions of power.
There's a big difference between passively sitting at home and watching a speech and 80,000 waiting for hours in the heat to enter a stadium and waiting hours more for a speech.
Kind of like raising $10 million. People put out their time & money because they believe in something.
Ike turner
I think I'm cute.
billy b
and you are.
If only we had some kind of Ike turner.
[golf clap]
obama gives a good, complete, detailed explanation of his soc sec plan.
but he forgot to chant "U.S.A!"
The Forecast Cone is not encouraging for Ike:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/
it is damned near to the root of all evil, since it makes us build roads and despoil wilderness and build suburbs and drive, drive, drive.
my little town of 50,000 has EVERYTHING, and where i live on it's outskirts i see every bit of wildlife, have a well and own an acre...i only have to drive (or take our city bus) 2 miles to main street. we have a university, a hospital, a few major employers. in this state, my town is considered blue-collar and 'crappy' by the average nouveau-riche - fuck 'em, they come here for decent restaurants, as in their 'better' school districts all they have is fucking chili's
both uber-urban and super-country are crap, IMHO.
""we" also want to live in the sunbelt, or california, or phoenix.
No you don't."
In my case, that is correct.
Had the chance - my ex in laws still live there, but Philadelphia is home.
WTF, it looks like Ike will hit New Orleans as a big one. The only thing helping would be if it goes inland in Cuba and weakens. But it will still have a lot of time in the Gulf to intensify.
William
I hope it weakens somehow without Cuba having to bear the costs. The Gulf islands and coastline have all had more than enough.
.
Was in a convenience store a few minutes ago. Guy behind the register (50-ish, Caucasian) was telling a friend, "Just don't know about Obama. I can't have him raising my taxes anymore."
Guy was just a clerk, not the owner.
The sarcastic response would be "I didn't realize that clerks in this store made over $250K per year." There's probably a gentler way of telling the guy that most likely his taxes would be cut in an Obama administration, but his health benefits (if he had any) would be taxed in a McCain administration.
McCain sez he will appoint Democrats to his cabinet. Such loyal Dems like Joe Lieberman and Bob Kerrey.
"and you are."
so are you.
and you are
aw shucks.
rmj, I love you for your optimism, you know that?
Keep on keeping on!
McCain sez he will appoint Democrats to his cabinet. Such loyal Dems like Joe Lieberman and Bob Kerrey.
Zell Miller has head of Dept. of Dueling Blouses.
dirk!
owls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ina!
how are the fairies enjoying their first weekend break?
My work here is done.
McCain sez he will appoint Democrats to his cabinet. Such loyal Dems like Joe Lieberman and Bob Kerrey.
Philip Setman Hoffmore
No doubt Zell Miller is looking for a job. (Pelosi and Reed oughta be.)
so are you.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
thanks.
mccain telling the lie to nowhere again.
.WTF, it looks like Ike will hit New Orleans as a big one.
The current track forecast certainly looks that way, but it's been advancing steadily leftwad over the last few days of model runs, and if it goes any further it will run aground traversing Cuba the long way, usually a fatal encounter for hurricanes. If the curent track stabilizes, though, it could well split the uprights and make it to the Gulf as a whopper storm. I'd say the chances of that are still south of 50% at this point, but by no means trivial.
i may not be cute, but i am owed a coke.
how are the fairies enjoying their first weekend break?
dirk gently,sociopathetic
they've already watched a movie and are now playing happily in the next room.
but he forgot to chant "U.S.A!"
TexasFuckKnob was sneering at the DNC when the people were shouting "Obama" as proof that Dems are traitors because the republics were shouting USA.
I shit thee not.
So let me get this straight. America is one heart beat away from electing an aged man who is one melanoma away from death. Which will put a Neo-Nazi family in charge of American. So why exactly did your uncles and grandparents sacrific so much to defeat Nazism? Beats the living fuck out of me.
I think I'm cute.
billy b | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 11:46 am | #
See what you started with that. A lot of girls are now getting excited.
Good for you.
disappeared into the maw of SDS
???
Not what I remember at all. But that time arrow does work in reverse somewhat.
Anyway, COFO rulz.
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It is NOT indisputible, because they were able to get all the official records scrubbed by their insider cronies. Then they offered a fake "proof" as bait. A very good object lesson, that. Incontrovertible means either that she is on tape saying or doing whatever it is, or that the actions involved are a part of the public record that cannot be dissapeared. Fortunately for us, her ability to dissapear stuff from her past in Alaska is not nearly what Dim Sin's was wrt Texas, because she apparently has many enemies there in positions of power.
blerb | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 11:47 am | #
All it would have taken was a couple of prominent Dems on the news saying, "I have no opinion about Rather, but why is it that not a single person can be found to explain why Bush stopped flying or who he served with in Alabama?"
No matter what you have, they will create a mcguffin and try to turn the debate into one about that.
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