I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Frist?
This almost never happens to me.
Drive 'em out of Mosul back to Ramadi.
Damn you mer!
Molly must be sceerd that we think that she only gets attention because of Thers or sumpt'n. Give her her own set of keys, A-Man, that might chill the bitch out.
So we're winning!
leibniz, 
Just a few more rounds of Whack-A-Mole and then . . . victory!
When were you first exposed to hard core porn?
Halfdan
Does full penetration count if it's your neighbour's dogs?
JR made me inhale diet ginger ale.
Molly must be sceerd that we think that she only gets attention because of Thers or sumpt'n. Give her her own set of keys, A-Man, that might chill the bitch out.
Uh...
Smoke 'em out of their holes!
Wait...wasn't that another war?
Nancy! Whatever are you talking about? Molly hasn't been mean to you!
Funny how many good people bought into the Iraq happy talk.
Somebody in the Bush propaganda department totally understands cognitive dissonance theory.
To get to the last major stronghold you have to turn the corner onto Last Throes Blvd.
Have they shown any Al Qaeda buttocks in Mosul? Because then we would really have to pursue them.
At least we don't call her the Hildebeast or the PIAPS here.
The bastards keep moving. That there's the problem.
Molly must be sceerd that we think that she only gets attention because of Thers or sumpt'n. Give her her own set of keys, A-Man, that might chill the bitch out.
WTF?
Namestealer??
Wheeeeeee!
The Paulistas finally found where I called for Their Hero to drop out of the GOP preznitshul race! Hee hee!
I love poking that anthill ...
It's like Paris in Casablanca. We'll always have a last major stronghold of the Iraqi insurgency.
They not only continually move goalposts, they move terrorists' last stronghold.
One thing remain constant, however.
People continue to die.
Give her her own set of keys, A-Man, that might chill the bitch out.
Leave it on the thread.
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:14 am | #
?!?!?
My plumber now qualifies as a porn star because of his awesome butt cleavage?
But...but.. the surge is working!!
Gotta be namestealer on the Nancy thing.
They are running this war like they promised they would the government - as a CEO would.
and as with any CEO, when the physically impossible is ordered, nothing happens but there is much glowing, praiseful talk about "progress", lest Daddy CEO get mad.
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The Paulistas finally found where I called for Their Hero to drop out of the GOP preznitshul race! Hee hee
Ask why they're running push polls in South Carolina against a Democratic candidate.
Someone has namestolen Nancy before. Doesn't she have a gravatar?
From below:
The most disturbing aspect of this tsunami in a tsell phone is that it's only a matter of time before some Forbidden Image(s) is circulated among schools in the tri-state area.
And then I will be subjected to local news coverage, possibly Team Coverage, featuring pearl-clutching anchorpersons throwing the coverage to an intrepid correspondent standing in the cold outside some school and breathlessly (un)covering the shocking scandal. (Usually in the dark, since even the 5:00AM newscast demands that Intrepid Correspondents broadcast from the Scene of the Outrage, even if the news crew is the only one occupying the dark parking lot in the pre-dawn hour.)
And there will doubtless be ancillary clips of offended parents in shrill transports of righteous shock and outrage, railing against the authorities for 1.) failing to prevent the catastrophe, and 2.) failing to take immediate decisive and corrective action to prevent future occurrences.
I wouldn't be surprised if the producers dragged in Exclusive Interviews with local politicians, religious leaders, and of course "expert" psychologists.
Talk about wanton public obscenity...
Cheney has stated that an Iraqi government official showed his buttocks to Atta in Prague.
Florida's two senators are going out on a limb to endorse ... the front-runners.
My plumber now qualifies as a porn star because of his awesome butt cleavage?
Heh. My parents used to call that a "Norge", as an ode to the appliance that was often serviced (and something to do with a very early SNL bit, IIRC).
Apparently there have been 28 US soldiers killed this month. Odd that despite the fact that I read and listen to news every day, several times a day I've not heard nor read of any of these deaths. Unfuckingbelievable.
Must make breakfast for the kids and then get some work done. Bye for now, Atrifolks.
Ask why they're running push polls in South Carolina against a Democratic candidate.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry
Wow. What's the deal up there?
Atta in Prague.
leibniz, monadΩ
I thought he lived in Iowa or Missouri or something.
Apparently there have been 28 US soldiers killed this month. Odd that despite the fact that I read and listen to news every day, several times a day I've not heard nor read of any of these deaths. Unfuckingbelievable.
There were nine kids killed in the first two days of the year. After that, everything has been teh glorious!
You mean protecting her from having someone tie her up, clamp open her eyelids Malcolm McDowell-style, and force her to look at it?
Or protecting her from stumbling across it in her electronic peregrinations and having her fragile eggshell mind permanently marred by it, after she spends a few minutes avidly peering at every image?
blerb
My friend's daughter shut the image.. which was mailed specifically to her (fucking spammers) down in 2 seconds flat.
Her parents are not prudes, and didn't freak, she wasn't "sheltered". But it doesn't occur to most 12 year olds to put someone's dick in their mouth.
There has been a real asshole namestealer slaking the regulars here.
Almost makes me wish for an authoritative chat administrator.
Well, since the surge worked, I blame the media for reporting all this negative news and making it sound like violence is NOT down "OVERALL", like they're supposed to be reporting, and it's just ruining my beautiful mind this early on a weekend morning, so I'm just going to stop listening and reading now.
Or mabye I'll turn on FoxNews. They never report annoying stuff like this.
I thought he lived in Iowa or Missouri or something.
I think he means the evil 9/11 pilot.
Florida's two senators are going out on a limb to endorse ... the front-runners.
Sinfonian,
Yeah, well, the Cowardly Astronaut keeps proving himself again and again and again. Will be calling his office once again to bitch about him voting with the Chimp on telecom immunity.
I gotta hope there's a primary challenger, not that it will make a difference, next time around ...
I got a Huckabee push-poll the other day. This indicates that they're taking a scattershot approach, because there hasn't been a registered 'thug in this house since 1999, and we didn't have this phone number then.
After I hung up I wished I'd answered the questions in such a way as to string them along (it was automated).
when i was 12 I and everyone I knew did know what a blow job was, and that was before Bill Clinton invented them.
Almost makes me wish for an authoritative chat administrator.
Gravatars make it more apparent, although usually the post speaks for its own stupidity.
I think he means the evil 9/11 pilot.
pie
(kidding!)
good morning moonbats is it warm out yet?
I gotta hope there's a primary challenger, not that it will make a difference, next time around ...
sdf (Stu), Doddmaniac
Well, you saw where I called The Cowardly Astronaut out, right?
He's (politically) dead to me.
I'm afraid that if Obama becomes President then I'll have to accept colored boys dating my daughters.
But I also don't think that parents have "lost control" of their children to evil forces in popular culture.
Halfdan
Well, I don't see it as a parental control issue, or as the forces of evil.
But maybe young teens should be exploring their own sexuality, not someone else's.
Atta's buttocks along with his passport were found a few blocks from the WTC. The NYPD immediately arrested the buttocks.
(kidding!)
I shoulda knowed.
Well, the St. Paul Winter Carnival is in full swing. Parade today, ice sculptures, hot dish tent downtown.
And the orchid show, which I am now off to. Later!
My mother's sister, and a bunch of other people, got called with a push poll against Clinton. Traced it back to a Paulista in Texas.
when i was 12 I and everyone I knew did know what a blow job was, and that was before Bill Clinton invented them.
Atrios
Actually, I think the credit goes to Monica.
along with his passport
What a whopper that was.
when i was 12 I and everyone I knew did know what a blow job was, and that was before Bill Clinton invented them.
Atrios
When I was twelve, I didn't know what "fuck" meant. Or "rubber," for that matter. I thought I did; but all I remember now is how wrong I was.
Gad, I feel old.
JR, there's a difference between something being the wrong thing to do (sending porn to kids) and that something causing lasting and irreversible harm.
Erich Kaestner, 107; believed to be Germany's last World War I veteran
From the Associated Press
January 26, 2008
Erich Kaestner, a soldier believed to have been Germany's last World War I veteran, died Jan. 1 at a nursing home in Cologne at the age of 107, his son said Friday.
When France's next-to-last surviving veteran from World War I, Louis de Cazenave, 110, died Jan. 20, the news made international headlines.
But in Germany -- which lost both world wars and has had to cope with the shame of the Nazi genocide for more than six decades -- there is not even an organization keeping track of the remaining veterans.
"That is the way history has developed," Kaestner's son, Peter, said in a telephone interview. "In Germany, in this respect, these things are kept quiet -- they're not a big deal."
The news did not even trickle out into the German media until this week, and the articles were more about how Germans remember than about Kaestner's death.
"The losers hide themselves in a state of self-pity and self-denial that they happily try to mitigate by forgetting," the daily Die Welt wrote Friday in its obituary of Kaestner.
Der Spiegel magazine noted that "the German public was within a hair's breadth of never learning of the end of an era" until someone who had read Kaestner's death notice in a newspaper figured out who he was and updated a Wikipedia entry on the Internet.
Kaestner was born in 1900, and had just graduated from high school in 1918 when he entered the army, his son said.
After training, he was sent to the Western Front to fight in France, but was never sent to the front lines, he said.
For Kaestner, his service during the war, in which more than 2 million German soldiers were killed, was only a small part of his long life, his son said.
"He was just a soldier for a quarter to a half a year," his son said.
Kaestner rejoined the military in 1939 with the outbreak of World War II, serving as a first lieutenant in ground support for the Luftwaffe, primarily in France.
After the end of the war in 1945, Kaestner became a judge in Hanover.
For his work as a jurist, he received Lower Saxony's Merit Cross, 1st Class. Kaestner also was honored by Germany's president for his 75-year marriage to his wife, Maria, shortly before her death in 2003 at age 102.
Though Die Welt, Der Spiegel and the local publication Hannoversche Allgemeine Zeitung all said Kaestner was the last German veteran of World War I, it was not possible to confirm that status directly.
The Defense Ministry said the German military, the Bundeswehr, "has no information available concerning World War I veterans."
The Federal Military Archive and the German War Graves Commission said they had no records on possible other surviving soldiers from the war.
"With the death of Erich Kaestner, no more Germans can talk about firsthand experiences" in the war, Der Spiegel wrote. "We have lost a chance -- forever."
Well, you saw where I called The Cowardly Astronaut out, right?
He's (politically) dead to me.
Sinfonian, Swedish skullfucker |
Oh, well done. I'm totally with you.
There are some 1960s polaroids of some teen sexual organs under the floorboards of a house I grew up in.
leibniz, monadΩ | 01.26.08 - 10:53 am
Teen pornography in Dayton!
Get out of here!
I'm afraid that if Obama becomes President then I'll have to accept colored boys dating my daughters.
Thanks, I was wondering what that thought in the back of my mind was. However, I don't have any daughters.
But maybe young teens should be exploring their own sexuality, not someone else's.
JR, kerosene and a match
A-yup.
No, it wasn't, steve. Your constant attacks on That Woman are. Sorry, but your sexism is showing through with almost every comment.
NTodd
Right. Raising alarums about the possible problems of an administration -- the first in fucking American history-- in which the president is married to an ex-president is sexist.
And now since we seem to be crossing the line into personal insult shit, I'm shutting up on this subject.
True White Dem Thoughts
The namestealer always follows with an equally ignorant post.
Thanks for not disappointing, little man.
Oh, thanks for 2006 and 2008.
More than the porn, I just didn't like that women are almost always portrayed as victims or objects. Absolutely the opposite of what I was trying to instill.
qlª
That's one of the problems, but I also see that, until recently, kids learned their sexuality from other people, not highly manipulated images and adult, commercial products. That makes me twitch.
Oh, thanks for 2006 and 2008.
pie | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:26 am | #
and 9/11 and anthrax.
I wonder how those children came to have cell phones with cameras on their persons. And I am further curious as to the internet access of said children. One would also imagine that such an image could be promulgated among the naive little darlings without a school being involved at all.
The children mentioned in that article are 16 or 17, not 12, BTW. That makes a difference to me.
So now if I criticize Hillary, I can be called "sexist"? And if I criticize Obama, I'm already convinced someone will think I'm a racist.
Gonna just hold up my "Edwards" sign and sit quietly.
I guess I missed a porn thread.
I'm shutting up on this subject.
For you again:
Yannow. We're all friends and respect each other. We all feel strongly about one candidate or another. In the end, we're all agreed that anyone of the Dems would be better than what the rethugs decide to run. We ought to tone it down, just a tad. Pissing up a rope, I know.
qlª
So now if I criticize Hillary, I can be called "sexist"? And if I criticize Obama, I'm already convinced someone will think I'm a racist.
Wait till you criticize Dawkins and see what JR and I call you!
On the other hand, I just got here and don't know who the namestealers are, so I'll just shut up altogether.
Except to say I agree with JR on the issue of "teen sex." Now I gotta make breakfast.
well this is going nowhere quick. Anybody else here form SC who voted?
JR made me inhale diet ginger ale.
V for Virginia
Soda + nasal passages = ouch.
Sorry.
Right. Raising alarums about the possible problems of an administration -- the first in fucking American history-- in which the president is married to an ex-president is sexist.
No, that's not the sexist part, and you damn well know it.
And now since we seem to be crossing the line into personal insult shit, I'm shutting up on this subject.
Dude, you are an old man. That's not an insult. And you have filters, clearly, that you've expressed explicitly time and again, and are clearly projecting them onto the Clintons at every turn. Get over it.
Wait till you criticize Dawkins and see what JR and I call you!
leibniz, monadΩ
I'll leave that to Stephen Gould and Terry Eagleton.
I still don't know what "fuck" means, even though I do it every now and then.
Oh, thanks for 2006 and 2008.
pie | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:26 am |
What makes you so sure of 2008? After Hillary steals the nomination at least some African Americans will be tired of being little black Sambo on Masta Dem's plantation and I'll be there to take advantage of it 
well this is going nowhere quick. Anybody else here form SC who voted?
Yep. #37 in a precinct I didn't think had 37 Democrats.
I don't like Hillary because she's a woman. That can be the only reason. The ONLY.
After Hillary steals the nomination at least some African Americans will be tired of being little black Sambo on Masta Dem's plantation and I'll be there to take advantage of it
You can't cover your racist stripes. Sorry.
But maybe young teens should be exploring their own sexuality, not someone else's.
JR, kerosene and a match
A-yup.
Rmj, Yellow Dog | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:25 am
Communists!
I wonder how those children came to have cell phones with cameras on their persons. And I am further curious as to the internet access of said children. One would also imagine that such an image could be promulgated among the naive little darlings without a school being involved at all.
The children mentioned in that article are 16 or 17, not 12, BTW. That makes a difference to me.
V for Virginia | 01.26.08 - 11:27 am | #
Maybe parents will be a little less likely to give the kiddies a cell phone now. I'd love having a few less dingbat teen drivers yapping on their phones to dodge each day.
Only in America do people get apoplectic about teenagers seeing boobies.
Yep. #37 in a precinct I didn't think had 37 Democrats.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry
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well remember in the last presidential election, I think 43% voted democratic.
I was 21 and the Mr. was 22
I guess I missed a porn thread.
Sinfonian,
*Every* thread is a porn thread.
So now if I criticize Hillary, I can be called "sexist"? And if I criticize Obama, I'm already convinced someone will think I'm a racist.
Nope.
I wonder how those children came to have cell phones with cameras on their persons
You cannot attack the 'problem' by attacking cell phone sales, because that would be regulation of the Freee Market. Nor can you allow the 'problem' for that reason, because that would be intellectual consistency.
No, the oly possible solution is to insist that teens are utter innocents with no sexual impulses. Which is, coinicdentally, how the High Victorians treated female sexuality - "Happily, the vast majority of women are untroubled by any sexual feelings whatsoever."
Conservatives aren't conservative with money, no; but sex hasn't changed for them since Paul told them not to do that, it's nasty.
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I still don't know what "fuck" means, even though I do it every now and then.
Moe Szyslak
Wow. What's it like?
Everybody (A) go read Greenwald, and (B) send Chris Dodd a couple of bucks to retire his debt.
It's the Democratic thing to do.
And I might send u a cruller.
So now if I criticize Hillary, I can be called "sexist"? And if I
criticize Obama, I'm already convinced someone will think I'm a racist.
Gonna just hold up my "Edwards" sign and sit quietly.
Rmj, Yellow Dog |
Homepage |
01.26.08 - 11:27 am | #
the wonders of divisive rhetoric. it works every time. Call a person a racist or sexist and legitimate discussion and criticism is shut down. That's what the Bushistas did in the run up to the war.
If you were with them you were a patriot if you weren't then a traitor. no middle ground and NO discussion. I really wish that Democrats coud stop falling into the Rethug rhetorical traps that are set and even more so, quit setting them for each other.
Hillary won't be stealing the nomination.
She'll have earned it after hard work.
And will bring needed competence to the job.
But maybe young teens should be exploring their own sexuality, not someone else's.
These teens were, though. They explored their sexuality and shared their "new-found land" with their friends. Hairy diadems and all.
I think hyperbole is at play re: Hillary & Obama. It amazes me how much most people have bought into the Republican frame of White Woman vs. Black Man. GWB brought up the Bush, Clinton dynasty theme. Think that's an accident? I don't. How about talking about issues and not gender, race, or dynasties?
So now if I criticize Hillary, I can be called "sexist"? And if I criticize Obama, I'm already convinced someone will think I'm a racist.
Nope.
NTodd, Self-proclaimed Indy | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:32 am | #
Unless it's simels, of course
Criticizing Hillary for being on the board of Walmart seems a cheap shot to me.
*Every* thread is a porn thread.
Star Trek is porn? Ah, now everything makes sense!
Criticizing Hillary for being on the board of Walmart seems a cheap shot to me.
Gomez | 01.26.08 - 11:34 am | #
LOL
this vacation ad seems particularly apt in light of that AP story
http://buffalobeast.com/123/anbar.htm
and this might be the campaign dispatch of the season...
http://buffalobeast.com/123/
Prim...mary__Fever.htm
Conservatives aren't conservative with money, no; but sex hasn't changed for them since Paul told them not to do that, it's nasty.
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Cynicus
I knew Ron Paul opposed the war, but sex too? He really is insane.
How about talking about issues and not gender, race, or dynasties?
1. I promise not to comment on Hillary
2. I promise not to comment on Hillary
3. I promise not to comment on Hillary
There, that got it out of my system.
Criticizing Hillary for being on the board of Walmart seems a cheap shot to me.
Her public life is certainly a fair target for criticism or praise.
I read Atrios' post on the FCC with great interest. Our version of the FCC did the same thing over here.
Several of our teenagers were sending around camera photos without the veils covering their lower face.
What a scandal! I just don't know what's going to become of our country when that generation grows up.
I don't like Hillary because she's a woman. That can be the only reason. The ONLY.
Strawman.
I don't have a problem with simels criticizing Hillary, I have a problem with him not liking Cloverfield.
Criticizing Hillary for being on the board of Walmart seems a cheap shot to me.
Gomez | 01.26.08 - 11:34 am | #
Was she really on the board of Walmart? I had to take a politics break for a couple of days, and missed that one.
Criticizing Hillary for being on the board of Walmart seems a cheap shot to me.
Gomez
Not at all. The company is responsible for the out-source-everything-to-china movement. By association, and (presumably) by her votes as a board member, she has A. cost Americans their jobs, B. created a truly horrific world economic situation, and C. decimated the environment.
Her public life is certainly a fair target for criticism or praise.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry
But what did she really do there except show up? Its almost ceremonial.
Gonna just hold up my "Edwards" sign and sit quietly.
Rmj, Yellow Dog
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Yay EDWARDS!!!! Feel the surge!!!
Not at all. The company is responsible for the out-source-everything-to-china movement. By association, and (presumably) by her votes as a board member, she has A. cost Americans their jobs, B. created a truly horrific world economic situation, and C. decimated the environment.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:37 am | #
Oh, you're just a woman hater, Moe.
when i was 12 I and everyone I knew did know what a blow job was, and that was before Bill Clinton invented them.
Atrios
Did you know what 'lying to a grand jury' meant?
How about 'decorum'?
'Triangulation'?
'Sell out'?
'Jerk'?
So now if I criticize Hillary, I can be called "sexist"? And if I criticize Obama, I'm already convinced someone will think I'm a racist.
Nope.
Yep.
Her public life is certainly a fair target for criticism or praise.
Of course.
Here, I think we all need to work out some aggression.
Maybe she was the lone dissenting voice for fairness on the board.
Just being on the board doesn't make her evil.
It's all over. As seen on FauxNooz:
Sylvester Stallone Endorses McCain. Coolest Endorsement Yet?
Fuckin' Rambo.
~
I'm not saying don't comment at all. But the right wing are masters at finding "hot button" prejudices and exploiting them. Liberals and progressives are just as prone to falling for them as the "sheeple." Let's not nominate our side for sainthood. Ghandi understood that. So did MLK. Recognize it, acknowledge it, move on.
So now if I criticize Hillary, I can be called "sexist"? And if I criticize Obama, I'm already convinced someone will think I'm a racist.
Nope.
NTodd, Self-proclaimed Indy | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:32 am | #
Unless it's simels, of course
Edwards Is Her Hands | 01.26.08 - 11:33 am | #
Nope, you coward. I call simels on his bullshit about "copresidencies" and "third terms" and his use of "That Woman" and such. I also repeatedly ask him to tell us who he does support and why.
So fuck off.
Maybe she was the lone dissenting voice for fairness on the board.
Just being on the board doesn't make her evil.
Gomez | 01.26.08 - 11:39 am | #
That's why they'd hire her- for her aggressive stance against outsourcing and profits...
you have filters, clearly, that you've expressed explicitly time and again, and are clearly projecting them onto the Clintons at every turn. Get over it.
NTodd, Self-proclaimed Indy | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:29 am | #
Like I said, it's not unprecedented or potentially troubling that the next president of the United States might be married to an ex-president. No possible downside whatsoever. Especially given the history of the two people involved. Nothing to see here, just keep moving.
What is it with celebrity endorsements?
Fuckin' Rambo.
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ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© |
Homepage |
01.26.08 - 11:39
its to be expected from someone who has been hit in the head a few thousand times.
Here, I think we all need to work out some aggression.
Molly Ivors, Edwardian
Penguin-hating liberal fascist!
Webster
Can you give me many, many more details of what Clinton and Monica did?
I want to be sure I recognize the criminal act between two consenting adults the next time I see or hear about it.
Thanks in advance,
So fuck off.
NTodd, Self-proclaimed Indy | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:40 am | #
Nope
I don't have a problem with simels criticizing Hillary, I have a problem with him not liking Cloverfield.
I hate his position on Bowie.
That's why they'd hire her- for her aggressive stance against outsourcing and profits...
Edwards Is Her Hands
Do you know any different?
Union heads get put on boards all the time.
But what did she really do there except show up? Its almost ceremonial.
Well, certainly. She was First Lady of Arkansas, so it was probably largely ceremonial. It was before 1992, so Sam was still alive and in charge and Walmart was not yet as reprehensible as it became after he died.
Kids are up, and i promised to make lunch.
Later y'all. G'day and good luck
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I want to be sure I recognize the criminal act between two consenting adults the next time I see or hear about it.
Check YouTube.
NTodd:
At ql's request, I stopped calling Hillary That Woman many, many months ago.
Just saying....
These teens were, though. They explored their sexuality and shared their "new-found land" with their friends.
Halfdan
My understanding from the link is that the sex video was possibly taken without the subject's consent or knowledge.
But really, why would one feel the need to share? Does "get a room" no longer mean anything?
It's not the sex have issue with, it's the publicity. This girl, consenting to the video or not, is probably going to find certain carreer paths closed to her. That's a problem of the patriarchy, granted, but she has to live in it.
Juvenile criminal records are sealed when you become an adult. Google, on the other hand, remembers. There is not much leeway for youthful indiscretions any more.
So she really WAS on the Walmart board? Wow. That's gonna have to be a PR problem, ceremonial position, or no.
That Woman bugs the piss out of me, Simels.
I think Simels is just upset that Monica looks better in a beret than he does.
Penguin-hating liberal fascist!
Better this?
BTW, on KO last night one of our allies (I think) has sentenced a graducate student to death for downloading something perceived as "un-Islamic."
Anyone have details on that? Which country? Article involved?
Bill Clinton: "I did not have sexual relations with That Woman.."
BTW -- on a less contentious subject, I saw "Untraceable" the other day.
You know how they say there are three stages to an actresses career -- babe, district attorney, and Driving Miss Daisy?
I am sorry to report that Diane Lane has graduated to district attorney.
Also, it's not a good movie.
It seems to me that oral sex became not all that exotic in heterosexual America sometime during the mid 1960s, and absolutely vanilla in the early 1970's, based on my own experience and that of my friends.
But really, why would one feel the need to share? Does "get a room" no longer mean anything?
JR, kerosene and a match
You can't be that old.
Do you not remember "elevator sex" or "sex in public places" and the thrill of being "naughty"?
Do you know any different?
Union heads get put on boards all the time.
Gomez | 01.26.08 - 11:42 am | #
Hillary was a partner in the Rose law firm, one of the most active anti-union law firms in the country.
That Woman bugs the piss out of me, Simels.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 01.26.08 - 11:44 am | #
That's why I dropped it.
Hillary was on the Walmart board and worked to bring about more fairness for hiring and promotion of women while on the board. Not much success, but pushed the issues.
Gomez must be feeling better. His mind is moving from strep to strip.
Just being on the board doesn't make her evil.
Who said "evil"?
shrub is just a short timer now
no one gives a crap about him
and after all in gooperspeak
it's just a small price to pay to leave it to the next adminstration to clean up his mess
Well, at least the Mark Penn hiring makes more sense now.
Can you give me many, many more details of what Clinton and Monica did?
I want to be sure I recognize the criminal act between two consenting adults the next time I see or hear about it.
Isn't it going to be fun to get to rehash the whole 'criminal' vs. 'character' Clinton conundrum?
Lying to your wife and sending her out to cry 'Conspiracy!' isn't criminal, but does demonstrate the status of your character, or lack thereof.
The fact that (a) it was in the Oval Office, and (b) the use of Vernon Jordan to get the young female a cushy job to shut her up?
Again, speaks to character.
However, an adult lying about consensual adultery under oath to a grand jury is criminal.
No?
I think Simels is just upset that Monica looks better in a beret than he does.
leibniz, monadΩ | 01.26.08 - 11:44 am | #
Well, there is that...
So fuck off.
NTodd, Self-proclaimed Indy | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:40 am | #
Nope
Edwards Is Her Hands | 01.26.08 - 11:41 am | #
Coward.
Like I said, it's not unprecedented or potentially troubling that the next president of the United States might be married to an ex-president. No possible downside whatsoever. Especially given the history of the two people involved. Nothing to see here, just keep moving.
steve simels | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:41 am | #
Of course it's unprecedented. This is the first time we even have a legit female contender for the top spot. Coincidentally, she's married to the only modern president to impeached who was also the most popular modern president. What of it?
You keep tap dancing around the gender issues, steve. Yes, there were plenty of mistakes in the 90s, but it was a far better time than what we are living today, and the intelligence and competence that HILLARY will bring to the table will be a far sight better than the current situation.
Now focus on the fucking candidate you want, and tell us why you like him. We get you don't like Hillary, or Bill. Got the memo and all the cover sheets.
Young people now have much different senses of boundaries, at least in my observation. I wouldn't count on a dirty video locking anyone out of anything.
Penguin-hating liberal fascist!
Better this?
Molly Ivors, Edwardian | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:45 am | #
Molly, you sure know how to keep idle hands occupied.
~
However, an adult lying about consensual adultery under oath to a grand jury is criminal.
He was acquitted.
Gomez must be feeling better. His mind is moving from strep to strip.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
I don't know why I waited to get the antibiotics.
I just tortured myself for a day needlessly. I never used to see a doctor when I got sick until I hit my forties.
NTodd:
At ql's request, I stopped calling Hillary That Woman many, many months ago.
Just saying....
I know. Yet you used it, and it reflected your attitude very well. As do many of your other attacks.
Hillary was a partner in the Rose law firm, one of the most active anti-union law firms in the country.
Edwards Is Her Hands
My objection to her business life at that time was her representing legally clients in administrative conflict with Bill's state government.
well this is going nowhere quick. Anybody else here form SC who voted?
foolme1ns
how was the turn out?
BTW -- and I know you're gonna find this hard to believe, but I didn't realize that calling Hillary That Woman was an echo of the Lewinsky thing until this very moment.
Seriously -- for me it was just a line out of some 30s drawing room farce by Noel Coward or somebody. Never even occurred to me why you might find it offensive.
Apologies all around, and I'll tell ql that next time I see her.
I just tortured myself for a day needlessly. I never used to see a doctor when I got sick until I hit my forties.
Gomez | 01.26.08 - 11:49 am | #
Where'd you get the prescription filled - Walmart?
"Maybe she was the lone dissenting voice for fairness on the board.
Just being on the board doesn't make her evil."
Nor does my being on my local Draft Board make me a militarist.
Just saying.
However, an adult lying about consensual adultery under oath to a grand jury is criminal.
Not if it were immaterial to the case.
I guess Hillary should have stayed home and baked cookies.
Do you not remember "elevator sex" or "sex in public places" and the thrill of being "naughty"?
Gimlet
"Naughty" was staying out all night and having sex, while your parents stayed awake worrying that you were having sex.
Young people now have much different senses of boundaries, at least in my observation. I wouldn't count on a dirty video locking anyone out of anything.
Molly Ivors, Edwardian | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:48 am | #
Well said. I certainly don't understand the fad of plastering pictures and videos on oneself all over MySpace or Facebook, but the kids seem to like it. I think it's just a generational thing, like how my parents don't get video games, or understand computers.
A lot of fretting about nothing, IMO.
My objection to her business life at that time was her representing legally clients in administrative conflict with Bill's state government.
Gimlet
To be fair, there are more people in Milwaukee than the entire state of Arkensas. The business/legal community is probably as incestuous as the rest of the joint, in other words.
I don't know why I waited to get the antibiotics.I don't know why I waited to get the antibiotics.I don't know why I waited to get the antibiotics.
I know why. Because you're stubborn. With all due respect, you're the type of guy who doesn't want to do what other people tell you to do until you believe in your heart that it's the right thing to do. Human nature. It's a conundrum.
Where'd you get the prescription filled - Walmart?
Edwards Is Her Hands
Rite-Aid
Lying to your wife and sending her out to cry 'Conspiracy!' isn't criminal, but does demonstrate the status of your character, or lack thereof.
The fact that it *was* a conspiracy, as per Joe Conason, of course has no impact on your position.
at the elementary school at 7:30 there weren't very many people, but at the high school up the street there was a pretty sizeable line and more people showing up. Even at the elementary school I was #21 and the Mr. was #22.
that's pretty good for a primary early in the morning.
and sending her out to cry 'Conspiracy
She was right, asshat.
I guess Hillary should have stayed home and baked cookies.
Indeed. Why she had to go an be co-president is beyond me...
Molly -- I'd forgotten about this one.
Very good for the aggression, and I mean for that to be ambiguous.
I know why. Because you're stubborn. With all due respect, you're the type of guy who doesn't want to do what other people tell you to do until you believe in your heart that it's the right thing to do. Human nature. It's a conundrum.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Does this mean you'll vote for Hillary?
However, an adult lying about consensual adultery under oath to a grand jury is criminal.
No?
Webster
Only if it's relevant to what was being investigated - Whitewater.
Oh and later expanded for whatever reason to Paula Jones but only narrowly within Jone's accusations.
A lot of fretting about nothing, IMO.
That's my take, unless you want to start putting skirts on piano legs again.
These have been very strange threads, even for a Saturday.
JR, kerosene and a match
Sorry to walk away from this abruptly, but family matters intervened. I am all for the idea of "protecting" 12-year old girls from porn to the extent that I believe that sending them unsolicited images of sex acts should be regarded as some sort of an actionable tort.
Heaven knows, if for no other reason than that it would cut down on the amount of that sort of stuff that I get sent, I would be all for it.
As to protecting them from things that they might go and look seek out for themselves, that is a pointless battle.
And as to not corrupting their understanding of sexuality with commercially produced images, the key to that is having an open discussion with them about the matter and supporting their self-esteem to the extent that they will neither get the wrong ideas about sex nor get their egos all tweaked out over seeing the images.
Molly, you sure know how to keep idle hands occupied.
I have children.
I guess Hillary should have stayed home and baked cookies.
Gomez
That's more or less what she did, figuratively speaking, after the health care debacle.
Young people now have much different senses of boundaries, at least in my observation. I wouldn't count on a dirty video locking anyone out of anything.
Molly Ivors, Edwardian
I think you're right, and I think that's a good thing.
One of the benefits of our lousy press is that they have been so eager to sell their products that they have really lowered the censorship bar. The time is not far off when the American attitudes toward sex and nudity will not be much different than northern Europeans' or Japanese, which seems to me far healthier.
Young people now have much different senses of boundaries, at least in my observation. I wouldn't count on a dirty video locking anyone out of anything.
Molly Ivors
Sure, in a perfect world. But the folks doing the hiring are probably going to be older, male, and part of the patriarchy. And then there are the co-workers watching the video...
Not fair, but that's the reality.
Shoot, the world has turned upside down. Two of my favorite commenters are at loggerheads.
I guess Hillary should have stayed home and baked cookies.
It's not about her sex. It's about looking at her previous tendencies to be anti labor, pro outsourcing. But shut down the conversation by claiming sexism.
Nothing wrong with naked teens as long as they are over 21.
Young people now have much different senses of boundaries, at least in my observation. I wouldn't count on a dirty video locking anyone out of anything.
Molly Ivors, Edwardian | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:48 am
Depends on where they're applying for the job.
And in the future it might not, but for now most of the hiring is done by people who aren't really thrilled to find out that their employees have 'naughty' pictures up on the internet.
These have been very strange threads, even for a Saturday.
Marcellina
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I'll second that
.The time is not far off when the American attitudes toward sex and nudity will not be much different than northern Europeans' or Japanese, which seems to me far healthier.
David Derbes, textifyin'
I'm not so sure about that Japanese attitude towards sex.
JR I don't disagree with you all that much on this topic. But also this sounds like an isolated event.
I can't wait until all the people with the lower back tattoos turn 80 and the ink starts sinking..
Does this mean you'll vote for Hillary?
I already voted. Uncommitted. And no, I won't go see Cloverfield.
I just had a neighbor (note: not a friend) call me in a panic. She shaved her genital area from a Bush to clean, because she has a hot date this afternoon and wanted to surprise her lover. However, her shower and bathroom sink are now clogged, with a billion pubic hairs stuck on everything, and she doesn't know what to do. She wanted to know if I had some Drano.
I don't.
That's my take, unless you want to start putting skirts on piano legs again.
leibniz, monadΩ | 01.26.08 - 11:53 am | #
We'd better get started, otherwise there'll be bare ankles from coast to coast!
Snow said turnout at his polling place was looking good.
One of the things this primary season has shown is that lots and lots more people will come out to vote for Dems than Republicans. That's objectively good.
Not at all. The company is responsible for the out-source-everything-to-china movement. By association, and (presumably) by her votes as a board member, she has A. cost Americans their jobs, B. created a truly horrific world economic situation, and C. decimated the environment.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:37 am | #
Amory Lovins works for Wal-Mart now.
Sure, in a perfect world. But the folks doing the hiring are probably going to be older, male, and part of the patriarchy. And then there are the co-workers watching the video...
Not fair, but that's the reality.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 11:55 am
Not even male, it'd be the 'older' part (and not even that old).
Maybe if you're apply for a job at MTV it's a plus. Wall Street firm, a hospital, etc, not a plus.
Shoot, the world has turned upside down. Two of my favorite commenters are at loggerheads.
dms
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now you know, even in the closest families, people have differences of opinions from time to time.
Vicki lives in a more interesting neighborhood than I.
It's not about her sex. It's about looking at her previous tendencies to be anti labor, pro outsourcing. But shut down the conversation by claiming sexism.
Edwards Is Her Hands | 01.26.08 - 11:55 am | #
Once again lying. When there are sexist comments, sexism is the correct charge. Talking about the other things are perfectly legit.
However, I'm tired of the denigration of Hillary and Obama. Yup, even as a DK supporter who has serious issues with the leading candidates, I'm tired of it. Tell us who you support and give us positive reasons to consider that person. Jesus fuck.
Young people now have much different senses of boundaries, at least in my observation. I wouldn't count on a dirty video locking anyone out of anything.
Molly Ivors
What about video evidence of Simels "streaking" back in the day?
Sorry if a repost, but I did put some stuff on a dead thread.
Hillary was on the Walmart board and worked to get more women hired and more promoted while there. She did not get very far, but she was a voice on the board pushing that.
From TV news report. Can't recall where.
I'm not so sure about that Japanese attitude towards sex.
blerb, reefer mad
Well, I really don't know much about it, so probably I shouldn't have said anything. To be sure Japan seems to me more patriarchal on the surface, but underneath all that bullshit there is an honest acknowledgment that sex exists and is a good thing, and nudity is really nothing. Or so it seems to me.
.Tell us who you support and give us positive reasons to consider that person. Jesus fuck.
NTodd, Self-proclaimed Indy
A-fucking Men.
What about video evidence of Simels "streaking" back in the day?
Gimlet
3 blurry pictures by Matthew Brady don't constitute a video.
He was acquitted.
It's going to be so fun to discuss this all over again!
Yay!
I can't wait until all the people with the lower back tattoos turn 80 and the ink starts sinking..
trifecta
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one of the games at the nursing homes is going to be guess what the tattoo was.
However, her shower and bathroom sink are now clogged, with a billion pubic hairs stuck on everything, and she doesn't know what to do. She wanted to know if I had some Drano.
Tell her to mail them to Clarence Thomas.
3 blurry pictures by Matthew Brady don't constitute a video.
You forgot Muybridge.
Back for a moment:
The company is responsible for the out-source-everything-to-china movement.
When was she on the Walmart board is crucial to this view? Now Walmart is a huge seller of Chinese goods. In the 80s, Walmart was all about "buyin' Amurikan." You must not remember all those commercials.
Vicki lives in a more interesting neighborhood than I.
Inner city, but nice enough houses. Still...
TMI.
She probably thought I'd come over - her Wonder Woman, if you will - and pour the Drano down the pipes, in which case, I'd see the pubic culprits clogging the drain...
Sorry, I'm not Mighty Mouse. But I do hope the sex is worth it.
I can't wait until all the people with the lower back tattoos turn 80 and the ink starts sinking..
In 2080, nursing homes are going to be very weird places. Imagine all the saggy piercings.
JR I don't disagree with you all that much on this topic. But also this sounds like an isolated event.
Halfdan
How many "isolated incidents" make a trend? For reference.
The misogyny can be brutal.
You keep tap dancing around the gender issues, steve.
What gender issues? That Hillary's a woman? Shit, I had no idea.
the intelligence and competence that HILLARY will bring to the table will be a far sight better than the current situation.
The intelligence and competence that a fucking major kitchen appliance would bring to the table would be a far sight better than the current situation. That's a given. Doesn't give me a reason to support Hillary over somebody else.
Now focus on the fucking candidate you want, and tell us why you like him.
I don't have one. Although Edwards strikes me as the best bet. The whole anti-corporate thing, y'know.
We get you don't like Hillary, or Bill. Got the memo and all the cover sheets.
Well, since my dislike of them is nothing more than the gender panic of a sexist old troglodyte, I'll try to keep my voice down from now on..
A-fucking Men.
Sexist.
Or so it seems to me.
David Derbes, textifyin' | 01.26.08 - 11:59 am | #
One word: Bukaki
Challenging someone on their public record insofar as they haven't repudiated it directly may be "negative" but is fair, imho.
Telling me a candidate makes you feel good doesn't advance the discussion much, positive though that may be.
Lower back tattoos sometimes interfere with the epidural and eliminate that option. Something for breeders to consider.
I'm not so sure about that Japanese attitude towards sex.
blerb, reefer mad
Well, I really don't know much about it, so probably I shouldn't have said anything. To be sure Japan seems to me more patriarchal on the surface, but underneath all that bullshit there is an honest acknowledgment that sex exists and is a good thing, and nudity is really nothing. Or so it seems to me.
David Derbes, textifyin' | 01.26.08 - 11:59 am |
Not from what I can tell, and from what I've been told by people who've spent time over there.
I get the impression that both Japan and S Korea are terribly chauvinistic.
3 blurry pictures by Matthew Brady don't constitute a video.
Simels was all hot at Anteetam.
I support John Edwards because (of the top 3, at least) I believe he will do more to help the working class than the other two. The Bush years (and even the Clinton years to some degree) have been a disaster for the working class, and it's my top priority to have someone fighting to reverse even a little of that inequity. It's a simple as that.
I shall now return to negativity, etc.
What about video evidence of Simels "streaking" back in the day?
He was making A Statement.
"buttocks" is somehow more proper than "butt" even though "buttocks' contains "butt" as well as 80% of "cocks".
What about video evidence of Simels "streaking" back in the day?
Gimlet
3 blurry pictures by Matthew Brady don't constitute a video.
trifecta
I'm sure I saw a daguerreotype of Steve au naturel in my cousin E. J. Bellocq's studio back in the day.
(Not that it matters, but my father the family genealogist was sure the Derbes and Bellocq families were connected by marriage...)
.Well, since my dislike of them is nothing more than the gender panic of a sexist old troglodyte, I'll try to keep my voice down from now on..
steve simels
Of course that's not what it is, but that does not prevent you from straying into sexist territory in your overarching need to denounce Hillary every chance you get.
I get the impression that both Japan and S Korea are terribly chauvinistic.
Buckeye
Very, although Japanese women are starting to get all incivil on the issue.
However, I'm tired of the denigration of Hillary and Obama. Yup, even as a DK supporter who has serious issues with the leading candidates, I'm tired of it. Tell us who you support and give us positive reasons to consider that person. Jesus fuck.
Why, I support Edwards. But you know me, and I've already exhausted my comments on who I support(ed) and why, and who I didn't support, and why. And I voted in a meaningless primary.
To backpedal and somewhat answer stubborn Gomez' question: Will I vote for the ultimate nominee? Why, yes. Yes I will. I may not like his or her positions, but there is that minor (cough) issue of the Supreme Court.
For what it's worth, my basic problem with Hillary's candidacy is fatigue.
I spent the better part of the 90s defending her hubby against attacks by the most evil motherfuckers on the planet despite the fact that I didn't like just about any of his policies.
The thought of having to do that again with her is frankly too depressing for words.
Telling me a candidate makes you feel good doesn't advance the discussion much, positive though that may be.
noblejoanie | 01.26.08 - 12:01 pm | #
But we have endless discussions about "reagan fluffing", or "present" votes in state legislatures, and the fact that all three candidates seem to favor an endless large scale US military _action_ in the middle east is not discussed.
the best thing to do would be to just watch the debates and then 0% of the news coverage.
I can't wait until all the people with the lower back tattoos turn 80 and the ink starts sinking..
In 2080, nursing homes are going to be very weird places. Imagine all the saggy piercings.
Molly Ivors, Edwardian | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:01 pm
I've seen stories about folks who got their tats in their 20's and now that they're older are having the tats removed.
ya, the fucking name stealing dickwads forced the gravatar.
Cyberspace gives worms courage they would not have in real life.
People are still homeless in NOLA. Nooses have appeared across America. Illegal immigrants are being blamed for all of our problems. Mississippi is redirecting funds for it's Katrina victims to business concerns. The Iraq occupation is being run like a game of whack-a-mole. Insured and uninsured people are getting screwed out of health care. There are more poor. Habeas Corpus is on life support. The economy is in a precarious state. We owe billions in overseas loans. People are losing their homes. The Republicans were running the show while all of these things took place. But...
It's Hillary's fault!
"buttocks" is somehow more proper than "butt" even though "buttocks' contains "butt" as well as 80% of "cocks".
euphronius
"Buttucks" is such a pathetic, stilted word next to that near-perfect utterance "Ass".
Where does superviolent pornography fit into the picture of Japanese gender relations?
If Hillary gets the nomination, the "in" thing at the national convention will be to wear a blue dress with a prominent "stain".
What gender issues? That Hillary's a woman? Shit, I had no idea.
No, your use of gender-loaded language.
The intelligence and competence that a fucking major kitchen appliance would bring to the table would be a far sight better than the current situation. That's a given. Doesn't give me a reason to support Hillary over somebody else.
Oddly, I didn't say you had to support her. Yet you appear compelled to trash her at every opportunity.
I don't have one. Although Edwards strikes me as the best bet. The whole anti-corporate thing, y'know.
Maybe you should consider getting one. And looking for reasons to support somebody. And remembering that come November, you're going to have to vote for a candidate who will not be perfect, and likely is one you attacked constantly.
Well, since my dislike of them is nothing more than the gender panic of a sexist old troglodyte, I'll try to keep my voice down from now on..
You're being stupid, steve. Really. Stop with the sexist shit is all Hecate, ql and other people have been saying. You don't seem to realize many of the things you say reflect a sexist attitude.
Nobody's saying don't speak. That's troll shit complaining about censorship and whatnot. Just fucking try to be constructive for a change instead of whining about Hillary. Look more into Edwards' record, statements, policy proposals, and tout those, for fuck's sake.
even the Clinton years to some degree) have been a disaster for the working class,
NEGATIVIST! SEXIST! BUBBA-IST!!
How many "isolated incidents" make a trend? For reference.
The misogyny can be brutal.
I have to admit--reluctantly--that I lost track of what we were discussing. But I agree that misogyny is bad.
"Buttucks" is such a pathetic, stilted word next to that near-perfect utterance "Ass".
blerb
What do donkeys have to do with it?
8 years of fighting with Clinton haters does sound exhausting. But that exhaustion equals about one days worth of the last 7 years.
It’s a mental problem. ‘They’ just focus their mental problem on Hillary. If Hillary wasn't available they'd focus on someone else. Taking their construction paper and crayons away would solve the problem but unfortunately that’s not possible. And no a handful of lunatics do not have a right to disrupt civil society.
The truth is Hillary would be almost as good as Al Gore, and McCain or Romney would be as bad as Bush.
the Clinton years were positive for everyone in asmuch as the budget was balanced and pentagon growth was somewhat checked.
Telling me a candidate makes you feel good doesn't advance the discussion much, positive though that may be.
Golly, then maybe we could talk about issues instead of who makes us feel good.
blerb,
I like "hinder."
I get the impression that both Japan and S Korea are terribly chauvinistic.
Buckeye
Very, although Japanese women are starting to get all incivil on the issue.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:03 pm |
Good.
My boss's daughter teaches English in an elementry school in suburban Seoul.
She's not happy with the way girls are treated there and is apparently trying to teach the girls that they're just as good as boys.
Haunches are hot.
although "backside" is guess is fine and is just as many syllables as "buttocks".
If Hillary gets the nomination, the "in" thing at the national convention will be to wear a blue dress with a prominent "stain".
And if it's Edwards, they'll wear pompadour wigs, and if it's Obama they'll go in blackface. So?
Tattoo thought questions:
What sort of art did you like in your teens and in your 20's? Do you like the same art now? And would you carry that art you liked back then everywhere you go now? Do you ever change the art on your walls? Would you want the art you would hang on your wall when you were 16 to never be changed the rest of your life?
kay, I gotta go steal some money from NTodd's Pa so as I can pay the fucking town to prevent them from selling my house. l8rh9rz.
Where does superviolent pornography fit into the picture of Japanese gender relations?
Molly Ivors, Edwardian
The violence in Japanese culture is not limited to sexual contexts. I think the violence spills into the pornography, rather than the other way around, but as I clearly do not know the first thing about it, I'm going to follow the First Law of Holes, and stop digging.
Rear also works.
The thought of having to do that again with her is frankly too depressing for words.
steve simels
Then I guess you should probably just kill yourself, because the alternative is John McCain or Mitt Romney. We move America gradually back in the right direction with the Presiden't we've got, not with the one we want.
the Clinton years were positive for everyone in asmuch as the budget was balanced and pentagon growth was somewhat checked.
Income disparity increased.
Telling me a candidate makes you feel good doesn't advance the discussion much, positive though that may be.
I would let John Edwards give me a foot rub, were he so inclined, and assuming Elizabeth didn't mmind. That would make me feel good.
The thought of having to do that again with her is frankly too depressing for words.
steve simels | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:04 pm | #
Uh oh. You'd defend a man but not a woman?
Afternoon, Moonbats.
Rear also works.
No naked kiesters!
Now don't get me wrong - I like breasts (I own two of them) but do they really have to put Giada DeLaurentis in shirts that expose half of hers on every damn show?
Hillary Clinton is my third choice among the remaining three Democrats, by a considerable margin.
Should she be the nominee I will dutifully vote for her, albeit with a sinking feeling very similar to that with which I voted for John Kerry.
Then I guess you should probably just kill yourself, because the alternative is John McCain or Mitt Romney. We move America gradually back in the right direction with the Presiden't we've got, not with the one we want.
blerb, reefer mad | 01.26.08 - 12:09 pm | #
So, wait the only choices are Clinton vs. Rethug? Did I fall asleep and miss the nominating convention?
The truth is Hillary would be almost as good as Al Gore, and McCain or Romney would be as bad as Bush.
Don't insult Al Gore, who has been right on every issue, from the war to single payor health insurance to gay marriage to the environment. Seriously. Hillary has some seriously flawed positions. Evidence: war votes. Health care plan involves the insurance companies too much. She won't offer a definitive advocacy of equality for gays (a biggie for me, as you know). I think she'd be okay on the environment, but her ties to lobbyists are not helpful to create wholesale change, which is what we desperately need. Call me an idealist, I don't care. My positions haven't wavered, I haven't flip-flopped, and I don't intend to.
Where does superviolent pornography fit into the picture of Japanese gender relations?
Molly Ivors, Edwardian | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:05 pm | #
It is totally creepy to ride the Tokyo subway and where be-suited business guys are standing there reading comic books with grisly images of frightened little girls in bondage. On the other hand, the society is incredibly safe.
You'd defend a man but not a woman?
Jesus H fucking christ, that's not what the man is saying at all.
do they really have to put Giada DeLaurentis in shirts that expose half of hers on every damn show?
Jill
Which half? I may have to start watching this show...
Income disparity increased.
Is there a point at which that is no longer a viable path? I mean, it's bad; we know that. But I think we're reaching the tipping point at which the disparity is affecting huge swaths of the economy.
But I may just be oversensitive, since we're putting $500 every three weeks into the oil tank.
But I agree that misogyny is bad.
Halfdan
Well, otherwise Hecate would turn you into a newt.
The thing is that I'm all for regarding nudity and sex as no big deal, but I see pornography as doing the opposite... making it a fetish.
Pornography has associated itself with sex, it's like people think that you can't have one without the other. So all nudity becomes porn, all sex becomes porn.
I don't see that as a good thing.
But if you question porn, you must be a prude....(this is a general observation, not directed at anyone here)
Yet you appear compelled to trash her at every opportunity.
I think her presidency will be a disaster. But I can't say that because that's trashing her? Trashing is now defined as saying something that bugs somebody else?
You don't seem to realize many of the things you say reflect a sexist attitude.
Really? A specific example would be nice. Beyond the That Woman thing, which I've already mea culpaed.
I like breasts (I own two of them) but do they really have to put Giada DeLaurentis in shirts that expose half of hers on every damn show?
Yes. This has been...
wait the only choices are Clinton vs. Rethug?
3-party voters are traitors to the empire, and must be shot or hung.
But I may just be oversensitive, since we're putting $500 every three weeks into the oil tank.
Eeeeek!!!!
Which half? I may have to start watching this show...
SteveLG | 01.26.08 - 12:12 pm | #
No nipples showing. Yet...
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
I said almost as good.
If a Democrat gets into the WH there will years of relentless attacks and allegations. It doesn't matter which candidate wins. I'm sure the RNC has a list of attacks and talking points drafted. It's gonna be a long hot summer year round.
I like "hinder."
Molly Ivors, Edwardian
"Keister" appeals pretty well to me, on those occasions when "ass" might cause pearls to be clutched.
Income disparity increased.
Maybe so, but this chart that Neponset posted yesterday shows how much worse everything has gotten since Bush took over.
Hello! Can we please stop behaving as if the president is some sort of all powerful savior king?
The problem with buttocks is pronounciation. Is it "butt-ox" or "butt-ux"?
Then I guess you should probably just kill yourself, because the alternative is John McCain or Mitt Romney. We move America gradually back in the right direction with the Presiden't we've got, not with the one we want.
blerb, reefer mad | 01.26.08 - 12:09 pm | #
Only Hillary can save us? Gimme a break.
Damnit, someone started beating up on Simels before I got here. AND I missed the teen sex thread. This caturday sucks.
We'll continue to get fucked in the ass no matter who gets elected.
I said almost as good.
Gomez
With no specifics. Defend your point, counsellor.
The problem with buttocks is pronounciation. Is it "butt-ox" or "butt-ux"?
What if you botoxed the buttocks of an ox?
$500 every three weeks into the oil tank.
Ouch!
If a Democrat gets into the WH there will years of relentless attacks and allegations. It doesn't matter which candidate wins
Sorry, don't buy that argument. It's true the Repugs will smear who ever wins -- so why hand them the candidate who comes pre-smeared? If there going to do it, at least make them work....
this chart that Neponset posted yesterday shows how much worse everything has gotten since Bush took over.
pie
which is why the 'stimulus package' is not at all bipartisan - see http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com
Hello! Can we please stop behaving as if the president is some sort of all powerful savior king?
Snow,
Or queen, you sexist, you!
What if you botoxed the buttocks of an ox?
But...but...but...but!!!
With no specifics. Defend your point, counsellor.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
She'll move us toward universal health care. She'll be OK on the environment and will appoing liberal SC justices.
She'll also be under no obligation to stay in Iraq.
Good summary of the financial crisis from Henry Liu
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/oth...hers/
Henry.html
(seen on ETrib)
.Income disparity increased.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry
That may be so, but the real median family wage actually did rise quite significantly, which is not at all what has happened during the Busherregnum.
Snow, the prez is our savior and all powerful being. Therefore, our next prez will be the FSM.
Hello! Can we please stop behaving as if the president is some sort of all powerful savior king?
What Snow said.
Good grief.
If a Democrat gets into the WH there will years of relentless attacks and allegations. It doesn't matter which candidate wins. I'm sure the RNC has a list of attacks and talking points drafted.
I agree with this. They've been doing oppo research on all the main candidates, their spouses, their kids, their parents, their business associates, their pastors, etc., etc., etc. for at least a year now.
the world is watching this campaign. its very exciting.
Pornography has associated itself with sex, it's like people think that you can't have one without the other. So all nudity becomes porn, all sex becomes porn.
I don't see that as a good thing.
But if you question porn, you must be a prude....(this is a general observation, not directed at anyone here)
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:13 pm | #
I would argue that you are projecting something onto "people" that's not necessarily there. Some people obviously like sharing sexual pictures or videos of themselves, but I'd argue that most do not. I just think it's a matter of personal preference, and as long as everything's consensual, I don't have a problem with it.
If a Democrat gets into the WH there will years of relentless attacks and allegations. It doesn't matter which candidate wins
I don't need to distract them, but don't really care if they want to be distracted.
Damnit, someone started beating up on Simels before I got here. AND I missed the teen sex thread. This caturday sucks.
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:15 pm | #
You can still dis me for not fully appreciating The Fall...
Or queen, you sexist, you!
I'm just not seeing anyone treating Clinton as a savior. But I am working on my insensitivity.
so why hand them the candidate who comes pre-smeared?
Because said candidate is pre-hardened.
so why hand them the candidate who comes pre-smeared
Like Barak Hussein Obama or John Haircut Edwards? The smears are in, and they're not going to stop. Clinton at least has a very thick hide.
COUNTDOWN last night reporting on the repuke debate noticed that the candidates were all praising Bush for invading Iraq and Huckabee even brought up the old bullshit that there were wpm's. Since bombings on down according to the media, these opportunists went right back to Hail Bush Glorious War Leader mode.
Because said candidate is pre-hardened.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:20 pm | #
Well, I don't buy that, but what the fuck do I know.
I'll even give you positives about Hillary, Gomez:
1. First woman president; groundbreaking, unprecedented. I can dig.
2. She's v. smart. He proposals (although I don't agree with them because they're not progressive enough for my taste) are substantive.
3. She'd surround herself with solid, capable people.
4. I think she's sincere about undoing the damage Bush has done.
5. Supreme Court; I think she'd appoint judges who are further to the left than many anticipate.
6. She strikes me as hardworking, earnest, and ambitious.
Ouch!
Yep. Pretty grim.
The thing is that I'm all for regarding nudity and sex as no big deal, but I see pornography as doing the opposite... making it a fetish.
Again I agree. But also many countries where sexual images of women are much more commonplace are also less misogynistic as a whole than is the US.
If a Democrat gets into the WH there will years of relentless attacks and allegations. It doesn't matter which candidate wins
Don't want to ignite a shitstorm here with the Clinton/Obama crowd (I favor Edwards), but will a positive, unifier strategy be enough to abort the Republican smear machine? Of course, they'll still try, but will a firm, we're not going there position halt the MSM's obsession with all things nasty?
Plus does Obama have the stones to stand up to it. At least initially he tangled with Hillary re Reagan etc but now seems to have gotten back to his unity theme, one that still sounds naive to me but obviously resonates with alot of voters.
Clinton at least has a very thick hide.
I'm not seeing a thick hide in her personal responses to every single criticism.
I'll even give you positives about Hillary, Gomez:
7. No dry powder remaining in the armory the day after election day.
Pornography has associated itself with sex, it's like people think that you can't have one without the other. So all nudity becomes porn, all sex becomes porn.
As long as people get turned on by watching one another have sex, there will be pornography. Successfully mitigating against what you see as its corrosive effect on a healthy attitude towards sexuality is going to about talking to your kids a lot more than it will be about suppessing the distribution of the material. It's just like dope in that way.
Has anyone here ever heard of a football fan dyeing their pet the team colors before?
another look at the media race frenzy
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mar...e-more-
clintons
from morning load
ill a firm, we're not going there position halt the MSM's obsession with all things nasty?
I think that's what Kerry tried by refusing to go negative at all, trying to stay on message and ignore the swiftboating, etc. It didn't work. Sometimes, you have to be willing to fight, rather than stay above the fray.
Has anyone here ever heard of a football fan dyeing their pet the team colors before?
Sounds like a commercial.
Has anyone here ever heard of a football fan dyeing their pet the team colors before?
Gomez | 01.26.08 - 12:24 pm |
yes.
one that still sounds naive to me but obviously resonates with alot of voters.
noblejoanie
Those are voters that don't get on the internet and find out what they should know, but they still go out and vote. I agree with Obama, he needs them to see him as presidential
Nothing wrong with erotic art is there
If Hitlery is elected president she will be the first bulldyke president.
She'll move us toward universal health care.
Dude, we need to do more than "move toward." Seriously. Health care reform must come sooner, much sooner, than later. We are at the brink of major health care crisis in this country, and Hillary's plan doesn't do enough to deter that fact.
As I mentioned to you, the CMO of my company just authored a paper on the fact that the number one trend in health care is the end, as we know it, of employer-paid health insurance. It's pretty serious, in my mind's eye, when an employee goes from excellent coverage down to paying a monthly fee of $ 400 - $ 800 for health care, with reduced benefits (such as $ 2,500 out of pocket for hospital care per person, etc.). I could go on and on, but I can give you factual and anecdotal evidence that this is a problem that looms large over the next president. Moving toward isn't good enough.
btw, I fucking hate liberals.
Has anyone here ever heard of a football fan dyeing their pet the team colors before?
NTodd put spreckles on his buttocks behind the tastee freeze. Does that count?
OK, gotaa go crack the whip to make my son get dressed and the GO LOOK AT A HOUSE! It's starting to look like we are really going to buy now. I'm all atwitter.
Sometimes, you have to be willing to fight, rather than stay above the fray.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I thought the Dukakis campaign established once and for all the principle that you can't leave attacks unanswered.
Apparently the Conventional Wisdom changed or got forgotten while I was otherwise occupied.
Some people obviously like sharing sexual pictures or videos of themselves, but I'd argue that most do not. I just think it's a matter of personal preference, and as long as everything's consensual, I don't have a problem with it.
Barbarism Begins at Home
Where I have a problem with it is that teenagers have little understanding of consequences, and we do have (some) laws to protect them from having their youthful stupids bite them on their adult arse.
I would love to live in a society where the fact that a woman has had sex is not a major talking point around the lunch wagon/water cooler, where a nipple is just a nipple, etc. But we don't... yet.
Dude, we need to do more than "move toward."
Then stop looking at the White House.
If Hitlery is elected president she will be the first bulldyke president.
pud | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:26 pm | #
As opposed to a cowdyke?
ZOMG TEH HORRORZ!!!!
Dumbest trollz on the interwebs, seriously.
Laterz, all.
Then I guess you should probably just kill yourself,
How about if we stop short of suggesting people kill themselves over our political situation?
If Hitlery is elected president she will be...
Surely Barbara Bush deserves some recognition here.
Plus does Obama have the stones to stand up to it. At least initially he tangled with Hillary re Reagan etc but now seems to have gotten back to his unity theme, one that still sounds naive to me but obviously resonates with alot of voters.
I too favor Edwards (will vote for him today) but I also think Obama is pretty tough. And I don't think his "unity" message is directed toward politicians but toward voters. And also it's a necessary strategy because "angry black man" would never ever get him where he wants to go.
ow about if we stop short of suggesting people kill themselves over our political situation?
V for Virginia | 01.26.08 - 12:27 pm | #
I am definitely in favor of liberals killing themselves.
Sort of like s self-cleaning oven.
How about if we stop short of suggesting people kill themselves over our political situation?
We will find the universe more open if we stop short of suggesting people die.
Dyeing your pet the team colors strikes me as animal cruelty.
And also it's a necessary strategy because "angry black man" would never ever get him where he wants to go.
Halfdan |
Excellent point, though I would love to see any one of the candidates display some real anger over the catastrophe Bush has left them.
Then stop looking at the White House.
Snow
I'm not looking for a savior, and I resent your condescending attitude in that you think you know what I want, and that you think I'm misguided. I respect your opinions, whether I agree with them or not, and I don't snark at what seems to be heartfelt from you.
But since we're talking president here, we need a LEADER on this issue. Thanks.
How about if we stop short of suggesting people kill themselves over our political situation?
V for Virginia
If they say that things are "too depressing for words" just for the sake of hyperbole, I will respond in kind. I really don't think there is much chance that Simels will take up arms against his sea of troubles over anything I say here.
Apparently the Conventional Wisdom changed or got forgotten while I was otherwise occupied.
SteveLG | 01.26.08 - 12:27 pm | #
Ask Kerry when he plans on turning the boat around on the swiftboat attacks.
But it is apparently not allowed for some candidates to fight back. For example, Obama has had to aggressively counteract the muslim/won't-pledge slam, but this has drawn bitter criticism here.
I could go on and on, but I can give you factual and anecdotal evidence that this is a problem that looms large over the next president. Moving toward isn't good enough.
My personal experience with the issue leads me to agree wholeheartedly.
Surely Barbara Bush deserves some recognition here.
SteveLG
Hey, they put her on the $1 bill.
I am definitely in favor of liberals killing themselves.
Sort of like s self-cleaning oven.
Thanks for that holocaust image, you bigoted racist fuck.
You can still dis me for not fully appreciating The Fall...
That's a matter of personal taste, but you're missing out on some great music.
"*Every* thread is a porn thread.
Star Trek is porn? Ah, now everything makes sense!"
it's a necessary strategy because "angry black man" would never ever get him where he wants to go.
Halfdan
Good on you for voting Edwards, and unity is definitely a vote getter, bu isn't going to get us 'stimulus'
see http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
I thought the Dukakis campaign established once and for all the principle that you can't leave attacks unanswered.
You'd have thought. But Gore tried to ignore all the "invented the internet" bullshit, Clinton thought that appointing a special prosecutor would put the Whitewater shit to bed, Kerry tried to ignore the Swiftboating as beneath contempt, etc., etc. And it never works. I think liberals think they'll stay on message and people will just get how stupid the other side is being, but, on some level, it makes us look weak. Not intellectually, but emotionally. I want the next candidate, whoever it is, to be ready to bring a baseball bat and use it.
If Hitlery is elected president she will be the first bulldyke president.
pud | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:26 pm | #
How true. Why else would she have had to kill her lesbian lover Vince Foster?
I want the next candidate, whoever it is, to be ready to bring a baseball bat and use it.
Hit 'em with the folding chair, so to speak.
Where I have a problem with it is that teenagers have little understanding of consequences, and we do have (some) laws to protect them from having their youthful stupids bite them on their adult arse.
I would love to live in a society where the fact that a woman has had sex is not a major talking point around the lunch wagon/water cooler, where a nipple is just a nipple, etc. But we don't... yet.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:27 pm | #
I hear what you're saying, but I'd argue that women and teenagers might be a bit tougher than you seem to think. Or, maybe their definition of consequences is different than yours? That is, maybe people that send pictures of their boobies around the internetz don't care if people talk about them 'round the water cooler. Maybe that's even what they're hoping will happen? Anyway, I have to run now.
I want the next candidate, whoever it is, to be ready to bring a baseball bat and use it.
Hecate
Amen
Thank you, Pud, for doing the impossible.
btw, I fucking hate liberals.
Tsk... tsk... so much hate in such a small pud.
Good afternoon, everyone!
I hope everyone who isn't a stupid hatemongering troll is having a good day.
If they say that things are "too depressing for words" just for the sake of hyperbole, I will respond in kind. I really don't think there is much chance that Simels will take up arms against his sea of troubles over anything I say here.
blerb, reefer mad | 01.26.08 - 12:31 pm | #
For once, we agree.
Maybe that's even what they're hoping will happen? Anyway, I have to run now.
Barbarism Begins at Home
Two problems with that.
1) The specific video in question may not have involved consent.
2) Can you sign a legally enforcable contract before 18?
Why can't we all hate everyone? Is that too much to ask?
If Hitlery is elected president she will be the first bulldyke president.
Wait, I thought that was TR.
btw, I fucking hate liberals.
Don't hate us because we're beautiful and you're a pud.
Buchanan was the first gay president.
Why can't we all hate everyone? Is that too much to ask?
candymarl
Takes a heckuva lot of energy.
Though I suppose if one is a sad little troll who's never known the loving touch of another human being, you probably have energy to burn.
Would someone please tell Neil Clark Warren that I'm not looking for his advice on how to pick the perfect mate?
God, if I get one more e-mail from E-Harmony, I'm going postal.
2) Can you sign a legally enforcable contract before 18?
JR, kerosene and a match
Generally, no. There are exceptions, but in general, no.
DOCTOR Neil Clark Warren, you antimedite.
DOCTOR Neil Clark Warren
Pffft. Dr. my ass.
I want the next candidate, whoever it is, to be ready to bring a baseball bat and use it.
Hecate
Amen
noblejoanie
I'd welcome another LBJ, but then we're in the midst of yet another unwinnable war, so there's the downside to that.
Still, somebody who knew how to use the machinery of power rather than how to give paens to democracy and the mythical "American voter" would be nice.
I hear what you're saying, but I'd argue that women and teenagers might be a bit tougher than you seem to think.
[not a personal snark] Maybe we shoud stop regarding the adult male as the arbiter of all that is good and proper.
or myabe we will have to accept that with the 1st amendment and the current level of media technology there is going to be a steady level of "icky" things.
Timmeh has a panel today of Chuck Todd, Steve Hayes from Weekly Standard, and guy from Politico.
They say Clinton (Bill) has been using dogwhistle terms for racism in SC. Absolved Obama of bringing up race, except to say that since he lost to Bobby Rush he's never had to court black voters and SC is his first time doing that.
Also brought up the scare tactics the Right loves: Unleashed Bill Clinton! Leashed Bill Clinton! Be afraid, be very afraid!
But since we're talking president here, we need a LEADER on this issue. Thanks.
Then you will miss the revolution. I am perfectly happy to do my work while everyone is looking to the president. In fact, I would prefer it if no one knew what happened to their country or how or who did it.
Off to go shopping apparently. L8rs.
[not a personal snark] Maybe we shoud stop regarding the adult male as the arbiter of all that is good and proper.
JR, kerosene and a match
Only when everyone is as tough as we are, can we afford to be tender.
It's the Dick Cheney philosophy in a nutshell.
Wait, I thought that was TR.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
He was the first moosedyke president.
I don't think I have Clinton fatigue. It's more media fatigue. If Hillary Clinton wins, I will not be able to watch anything but pretty much Olberman for the next 8 years.
or myabe we will have to accept that with the 1st amendment and the current level of media technology there is going to be a steady level of "icky" things.
euphronius
I don't think that teen sex is "icky".
I want the next candidate, whoever it is, to be ready to bring a baseball bat and use it.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:32 pm | #
I wish I believed that any of the three remaining candidates will in fact do that, but at this point I see no evidence that they will.
I want the equivalent of a silver-back mountain gorilla, one everyone knows is the alpha, no one fucks with.
As an analogy, I favor successful trial lawyers. In my experience, those folks are so good, they file a lawsuit and the only question the other side asks is how close to trial do we settle and for how much.
But Gore tried to ignore all the "invented the internet" bullshit
Hecate, I can't remember how soon, but Gore tried to defuse the "invented the Internet" thing with humor. MCM wouldn't let it go, however, and now it is CW for the brainwashed and the MCMers.
Can you sign a legally enforcable contract before 18?
Yes. It is void ab initio; however, it can be made valid by reaffirmation when the minor reaches majority. But the contract would not be enforceable prior to the age of majority.
As an analogy, I favor successful trial lawyers. In my experience, those folks are so good, they file a lawsuit and the only question the other side asks is how close to trial do we settle and for how much.
noblejoanie | 01.26.08 - 12:41 pm | #
All three of these folk have had opportunity to demonstrate that type of action in the Senate and none have done so.
photos of under 18 ers having sex is "icky". "icky" is a very technical word which, when invoked, trumps the Constitution.
Timmeh has a panel today of Chuck Todd, Steve Hayes from Weekly Standard, and guy from Politico.
They say Clinton (Bill) has been using dogwhistle terms for racism in SC. Absolved Obama of bringing up race, except to say that since he lost to Bobby Rush he's never had to court black voters and SC is his first time doing that.
They love excuses to talk in racist terms while being absolved of racism themselves.
The "hidden wound" in American culture continues to fester. We had slavery for nearly 300 years (yes, long before 1776); we've been without it for only 150, and only actively repudiated the terms of slavery within my lifetime.
Gonna be a long, long time cleaning out that wound we insist isn't there, and getting it to heal.
A minor can make a contract for necessaries (i.e. food, clothing, shelter)
But the contract would not be enforceable prior to the age of majority.
Snow
Does the pubisher have valid model release forms from the parents/guardians?
Olbermann must like this blogging thing. He has another diary over at kos:
Mukasey Hangs A Portrait Of Orwell
"Who do I vote for? WHO? I can't for any of the GOP candidates, that's a given.
I can't vote of Obama. He's just not experienced enough for the job just yet. That, and the whole being a secret Muslim thing. Edwards, $400 haircut and being a fag. Kucinich, what is he, a polack or an elf or something?
God, who do I vote for? I know!
That Woman!
What? You thought I was talking about HILLARY?
I've decided not to decide whom to vote for until election day. Except for my Congressman. I really like him. He's a good guy. Not a total lefty but not a Blue Dog either.
I am amused in a sardonic way by the idea that the Clintons mentioning that Obama is black somehow has the effect of diminishing his support as though the voters were unaware of that about Obama until it was mentioned, and upon learning this will immediately support someone else.
tri -- I found our secret game and played.
Yes. It is void ab initio; however, it can be made valid by reaffirmation when the minor reaches majority. But the contract would not be enforceable prior to the age of majority.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry
In effect, then, it is unenforceable, especially if the minor doesn't sign it the day before his 18th birthday, and affirm it the day after.
So in the real world, they are considered unenforceable contracts.
I am amused in a sardonic way by the idea that the Clintons mentioning that Obama is black somehow has the effect of diminishing his support as though the voters were unaware of that about Obama until it was mentioned, and upon learning this will immediately support someone else.
catalexis
Waitaminit.
Obama is BLACK??
Why wasn't I informed of this!!
Not that there's anything wrong with it....
Obama is black?!?! Alert the media!
s though the voters were unaware of that about Obama
"I don't see race"/ Stephen Colbert
Coke to Gummo.
photos of under 18 ers having sex is "icky".
They can't consent to the model release, so whoever distributes the video is in violation of their privacy rights... even if the subjects consented.
No need to invoke the "icky" clause at all.
So in the real world, they are considered unenforceable contracts.
6 in one hand, half-dozen the other.
Obama is also white but I don't see the media pointing that out.
A minor can make a contract for necessaries (i.e. food, clothing, shelter)
Gomez
I needed to pose with that penis in my mouth in order to buy a candy bar!
i believe Obama IDs himslef as black.
I am perfectly happy to do my work while everyone is looking to the president. In fact, I would prefer it if no one knew what happened to their country or how or who did it.
Well, good on you, but it's not fair of you to assume that everyone is looking toward the president. How do you know that I'm not actively trying to affect change? How do you know I don't write letters, that I don't work at a grassroots level here? You don't. But guess what? I do. I just don't recant every fucking thing I do.
And I want a president who can lead, goddammnit. What noblejoanie said. I've worked with people who can lead and people who can't, and after Bush, we need a leader, not a compassionate whatever the fuck dividerer deciderer fuckwit.
...and rumor has it that Hillary is a woman....
Speaking of Coke, that vanilla Coca-Cola was the nastiest tasting drink ever bottled. Yuck.
your turn v
JR they are also in violation of numerous child pron laws.
...and rumor has it that Hillary is a woman....
Rmj, Yellow Dog
And that Romney is a Disney animatronic robot.
noblejoanie is correct...the Western world still uses the old one drop rule, and this was an issue for Limpballs about a year ago too IIRC.
i would rather the leadership come from Congress than the executive.
i believe Obama IDs himslef as black.
euphronius
I was being a bit facetious. But here's the point-- since when does the media care what someone says. If they want to report those who call him a muslim despite his own assertion he's a Christian, it happens.
And that Romney is a Disney animatronic robot.
Gummo
Now that one is true. I've seen the contract....
David Letterman likened Romney to the weekend weatherman and the guy next door that spends too much time taking care of his lawn.
JR they are also in violation of numerous child pron laws.
euphronius
Laws based on age are interesting.
On the one hand, they are obviously necessary; on the other, nothing magical happens when a girl turns 18 to make her more responsible than she was the day before.
but it's not fair of you to assume that everyone is looking toward the president.
And I would agree with you. But then I read things like this immediately following:
And I want a president who can lead, goddammnit.
the guy next door that spends too much time taking care of his lawn.
Gomez
BTK?
good point noblejoanie.
but notice the claims is SECRET muslim, so, obviously, he would CLAIM to be a christian. that just proves he is a secret muslim!
Simels streaking video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W...h?
v=WkBAfS79HsM
Muybridge got in deep shit for this one.
I am amused in a sardonic way by the idea that the Clintons mentioning that Obama is black somehow has the effect of diminishing his support as though the voters were unaware of that about Obama until it was mentioned, and upon learning this will immediately support someone else.
Many people are more than happy to vote for a black man, as long as he's not bringing all his black friends with him. The "Obama is black" thing reinforces Obama's connections with all the black things that so many white voters have rejected (the NAACP, people talking about racism all the time, Jesse Jackson, etc.).
If only Hillary would have dropped out after Iowa like marshall told her to we would be having these problems.
At this point, it's almost more important to find a president and/or a Congressional majority who's willing to take on corporate monopolies than it is to take on the Republicans.
On the one hand, they are obviously necessary; on the other, nothing magical happens when a girl turns 18 to make her more responsible than she was the day before.
Gummo
Not on a day by day basis, but there are changes going on in the teenage brain that make them more "responsible" for their actions as they grow older.
it does not occur to me that child pornography laws are obviously necessary.
But then I read things like this immediately following:
And I want a president who can lead, goddammnit.
It's not mutually exclusive. What can I do to help you understand that? You are painting my perspective in a black and white picture, and I don't feel you're being fair; I believe you're being condescending because you think you know "better" than I.
Oh, now we're gonna talk about who identifies as black? My Guess? He or she who may be perceived as "black" identifies as black.
Simels streaking video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W...h? v=WkBAfS79HsM
Muybridge got in deep shit for this one.
Chris Tucker | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:51 pm | #
That son of a bitch told me he'd burned all the prints...
Oh, now we're gonna talk about who identifies as black? My Guess? He or she who may be perceived as "black" identifies as black.
plantsman | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:53 pm | #
---------
my stance is that you should go by self-ID.
Oh, these guys on with Timmeh keep saying that Bill Clinton "got inside the head of Obama," and now he's trying to get inside the head of McCain.
Wasn't there a movie about that?
it does not occur to me that child pornography laws are obviously necessary.
interesting, but unpersuasive.
i would rather the leadership come from Congress than the executive.
euphronius
Moi aussi, but for the moment, for better or worse, and almost by default, it comes from the White House, as Reid and Pelosi have demonstrated over and over again. Hell, the Democrats are cooperating more with Bush than they ever did with Clinton.
Anyway....the President leads by default, and the sentiment that we need someone who will lead, not just jawbone about lovely ideas (Obama) or proclaim himself the embodiment of all Broder holds dear ("a uniter, not a divider"), is, IMHO, exactly right. Bush is leading now; but in entirely the wrong direction. OTOH, he's doing what he did in Texas, only with the power of the POTUS, so why is anyone just now surprised? (900+ lies? No shit, Sherlock!)
We need someone who knows what they're going to do on Day 1, and someone with whom we agree about that direction.
the president leads by default has only been the default since FDR.
I believe you're being condescending because you think you know "better" than I...
Oh, no, that would never happen!
You have black people in Brazil?
/Preznit Clueless
"Passing" as has a bad history. There were states where 1/16th genetic ancestry labeled on black.
Oh, now we're gonna talk about who identifies as black? My Guess? He or she who may be perceived as "black" identifies as black.
plantsman | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:53 pm | #
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my stance is that you should go by self-ID.
euphronius
Would that that were always possible.
As long as racism and sexism are allowed to run rampant in this country, people will have identities imposed on them from the outside.
David Letterman likened Romney to the weekend weatherman and the guy next door that spends too much time taking care of his lawn.
Gomez | 01.26.08 - 12:50 pm |
Had a neighbor who spent way too much time on his lawn.
And he hated our lawn. Actually have a couple of photos of him mowing the back section of our yard (that he couldn't even see).
Odd, odd man.
At this point, it's almost more important to find a president and/or a Congressional majority who's willing to take on corporate monopolies than it is to take on the Republicans.
Gummo | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:52 pm | #
Amen to that.
Not on a day by day basis, but there are changes going on in the teenage brain that make them more "responsible" for their actions as they grow older.
JR, kerosene and a match
Well, the division between "child" and "adult," legally, is an arbitrary one, in the final analysis. Even "Teenage" is a social/cultural designation, one almost unknown until about 100 years ago. But at some point individuals must become responsible for their actions, and a date must be set.
it does not occur to me that child pornography laws are obviously necessary.
interesting, but unpersuasive.
plantsman | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 12:54 pm | #
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assuming their blatant unconstitutionality, why are they obviously necessary?
Oh, no, that would never happen!
Well, I do feel that way. I feel like he picks up on part of a point I'm making and then scolds me out of context.
Well, I do feel that way.
Dear, it was snark. Complete and total snark.
My advice: killfile the motherfucker.
Well, the division between "child" and "adult," legally, is an arbitrary one, in the final analysis.
Most divisions are arbitrary. As you pointed out, you have to stick a pin in it somewhere...
Even "Teenage" is a social/cultural designation, one almost unknown until about 100 years ago. But at some point individuals must become responsible for their actions, and a date must be set.
Rmj, Yellow Dog
Exactly right, on both counts.
In the 19th century, when young men & women often were apprenticed out in their mid-teens or earlier, there were no 'teenagers'.
the Democrats are cooperating more with Bush than they ever did with Clinton.
Sadly, too, too true.
As long as racism and sexism are allowed to run rampant in this country, people will have identities imposed on them from the outside.
Gummo
Identities are always a social construct, hence an "impostion from outside." My daughter understands "black" far differently than I do, having grown up in the '60's South. And if I, a white person by appearance, declare myself "black," who else will do so? How far will I get insisting society is imposing a false identity on me?
assuming their blatant unconstitutionality,not.
assuming their blatant unconstitutionality, why are they obviously necessary?
euphronius
All parental rights are blatantly unconstitutional.
"We need someone who knows what they're going to do on Day 1, and someone with whom we agree about that direction.
Rmj, Yellow Dog"
It is or should be about 'direction.' Dems will never agree 100% on any specific thing. But as long as it is heading in the right direction that's good. That seems to be forgotten in the primary madness. My 2 cents.
"That son of a bitch told me he'd burned all the prints..."
HA-ha! pwn3d!
All righty, folks! That's enough pleasant banter for me for a while.
Have a pleasant Saturday, or Caturday where appropriate.
All parental rights are blatantly unconstitutional.
You're not the boss of me!!!
well i suppose you would say picture of naked children arent 'speech'.
Luckily, all is well in Afghanistan.
At least nine Afghan police officers and a civilian were killed early Thursday in a firefight between American forces and the officers in Ghazni Province, just south of the capital, local officials said.
The American forces were searching houses in a village on the outskirts of Ghazni town and blew open the gates of a house, according to local Afghan officials. District police officers heard the explosion and rushed to the scene, suspecting that the Taliban were in the area, but were themselves mistaken for Taliban and shot by the American soldiers, the officials said. Aircraft supporting the operation fired on one of the police cars.
The killings set off protests in the town on Thursday afternoon, and demonstrators blocked the main highway and prevented a government delegation from reaching the town from a nearby airfield, local officials said.
“Another big cruelty was made by American forces this morning,” said Khial Muhammad Hussaini, a member of Parliament from the province who was among the elders and legislators who had traveled to the town to try to calm people and persuade them to reopen the highway.
my stance is that you should go by self-ID.
Obama self-IDs as lots of things. I'm not interested in the color of his skin.
Heck. I was raped (that's what some would call it - I thought it was great) at the age of 9 by a precocious 12 yo girl. I also got kicked out of a RC camp for teaching the other boys how to masterbate at 9. Guess I'm just an oversexed fucker!
the Democrats are cooperating more with Bush than they ever did with Clinton.
Sadly, too, too true.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
The Clinton presidency and the years since have shown us in stark terms that there is such a thing as 'class' in America, and that those who consider themselves of the upper class would rather immolate themselves than allow themselves to be subordinate to someone they consider lower than themselves.
In the 19th century, when young men & women often were apprenticed out in their mid-teens or earlier, there were no 'teenagers'.
Gummo
However, we are a little further along the road to understanding ourselves since then, yes?
well i guess eschaton 08' gonna be slim.
That's right -- not speech, depiction.
assuming their blatant unconstitutionality, why are they obviously necessary?
euphronius
They are blatantly unconstitutional if the Supreme Court so rules (the legal standard for "unconstitutional" is, under our legal system, theirs to declare).
So, rejecting the premise, the statement is unfounded. There is a legitimate social purpose in protecting minors from exploitation. Hence, they cannot be held to most contracts; their interests must be protected in divorce and custody battles; child abuse is illegal, even by parents; child labor can be strictly controlled, and even outlawed; and pornography involving "underage" (a term set by law) persons can be illegal.
fwiw, as long as she doesnt talk about foreign affairs, HRC is growing on me.
her ideas are OK, and, the most importnat part, it seems she would fight for them.
however, this is all undercut by her lack of doing anything NOW in the senate.
However, her shower and bathroom sink are now clogged, with a billion pubic hairs stuck on everything,
what's she use, a weed whacker?
I was raped (that's what some would call it - I thought it was great) at the age of 9 by a precocious 12 yo girl.
SoCalCommie
To quote South Park:
Niiiiicccccce.
I'm just an oversexed fucker!
SoCalCommie
So, your boss having a video of the incidents on his/her computer would be fine?
Homosexual people are also familiar with having identities thrust upon them from without.
I also got kicked out of a RC camp for teaching the other boys how to masterbate at 9. Guess I'm just an oversexed fucker!
SoCalCommie | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 1:01 pm | #
I'm shocked, shocked a liberal would be a pervert.
sorry RMJ, i was refering to my understanding and interpretation of the const.
Point being, Dave, if I wanted a fucking savior, I'd ask Jesus into my heart.
I want a leader. Our current congress has proven to be ineffectual. The people in this country aren't informed enough to realize that their votes can prompt wholesale change with shifts in the Senate and in the House, unfortunately, and the folks who work tirelessly at the grassroots level are marginalized. I know, at least here in Michigan, I feel completely left out of the process this year...
Yet I vote, I am on a first name basis with my local state rep and talk to him about local issues for change, etc. It's a slow-moving beast, the political process.
She'd surround herself with solid, capable people.
Like Mark Penn, Billy Shaheen, Harold Ford and her good buddies Joe Lieberman & John McCain.
Oh, yes... and Sandy Burglar.
Awesome!
and RMJ i see the state interest. i just dont see how that trumps the Const.
if I wanted a fucking savior, I'd ask Jesus into my heart.
Cthulhu not good enough for you?
Well, la-de-da!
However, we are a little further along the road to understanding ourselves since then, yes?
JR, kerosene and a match
I don't know.
For some this may have been a better life road than years of placeholding in schools.
Certainly, when life spans were shorter, men & women took on the mantle of adulthood much younger than they do now.
However, we are a little further along the road to understanding ourselves since then, yes?
JR, kerosene and a match
Less understanding than social custom, again. Child labor wasn't banned in this country until after TR's administration. He refused to meet Mother Jones and her Children's Crusade, but she ultimately prevailed in Congress (after TR, IIRC, but I could be wrong). And "teenager" was almost augmented about a decade ago with "tweens," which was less about "self-understanding" than it was about marketing, because such persons were identified by what they bought in the marketplace (goods, records, movies, DVD's, iPods, etc.) than by a new theory of psychology.
BTW, Vicki, did you get my email with the info you requested?
Just checking...
Huckabee advising Democratic candidates to "lighten up."
Go fry some more squirrel guts in heavy oil in your popcorn popper, dude.
And "teenager" was almost augmented about a decade ago with "tweens," which was less about "self-understanding" than it was about marketing
Yup, the more niches you create, the easier it is to aim specific ads right between the eyes....
Yeah, Dave, I did. I'd like to contact her for a reading.
Apparently (and a refreshing fizzy beverage to anyon who wrote of this earlier) today's PR spotligt is focused on "the last remaining stronghold of the insurgency" which is apparently a mobile stronghold that moves about the Iraqi contryside much faster than our fucktard media can cope with.
Heck. I was raped (that's what some would call it - I thought it was great) at the age of 9 by a precocious 12 yo girl. I also got kicked out of a RC camp for teaching the other boys how to masterbate at 9. Guess I'm just an oversexed fucker!
SoCalCommie
Cancel his account! and NO FLIRTING!
Even "Teenage" is a social/cultural designation, one almost unknown until about 100 years ago. But at some point individuals must become responsible for their actions, and a date must be set.
Rmj, Yellow Dog
Basically, the whole concept of "teenager" didn't exist until the 50s and early 60s. Before then, the idea of being young was to practice emulating your elders. All that changed when an entire generation suddenly had disposable income.
Apparently (and a refreshing fizzy beverage to anyon who wrote of this earlier) today's PR spotligt is focused on "the last remaining stronghold of the insurgency" which is apparently a mobile stronghold that moves about the Iraqi contryside much faster than our fucktard media can cope with.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
It's the caves, I tell ya! Their holed up in caves!
And the caves move around! Their Iranian caves, made in Irania! Ooh, it's devious, that Oriental mind!
In Paris, the fascination with the Clinton-Obama duel seemed to eclipse the Republican contest. “The Republican candidates are much less well known in France,” said Alain Frachon, the editor in chief of Le Monde. “It might be wishful thinking, but the French believe that this Republican era is over.”
&
In Japan, too, there are hopes for American renewal. “Already the fixed idea, ‘Only a white man can become president,’ has been broken,” the newspaper Mainichi Shimbun said Jan. 15. “We are witnessing the history, the process of grass-roots democracy turning into the U.S. strength.”
-nytimes
I was talking to a law school friend who was in the navy . . . the amount of his anti-communist fervor was shocking. are people in the US military taught "communism" is/was the enemy or is he just 'special'?
here's my groundhog day: me and the kids are learning about the pilgrims and indians of plymouth rock from a tennessee tuxedo cartoon.
All that changed when an entire generation suddenly had disposable income.
steve simels
Yup. Like "tweens" that Time Magazine trotted out a few years back, I'd argue the term is almost entirely a marketing term. We've created a set of identity parameters around it, but it has almost wholly to with marketing, and nothing more.
Back home now, after the polls and a run thru the grocer.
The poll sitters were saying RECORD turnouts. I was number 70 on the third page for our precint at 11:00. The parking lot was full.
I hope the MSM reports correctly on how this is another MANDATE FOR CHANGE. Edwards got my vote.
"the last remaining stronghold of the insurgency" which is apparently a mobile stronghold that moves about the Iraqi contryside much faster than our fucktard media can cope with.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
just wait until Sadr's truce ends this month. A couple hundred thousand more insurgents may pop out of the woodwork.
here's my groundhog day: me and the kids are learning about the pilgrims and indians of plymouth rock from a tennessee tuxedo cartoon.
notaboomer
Where can you see Tennessee Tuxedo these days, Chumley??
Yup. Like "tweens" that Time Magazine trotted out a few years back, I'd argue the term is almost entirely a marketing term. We've created a set of identity parameters around it, but it has almost wholly to with marketing, and nothing more.
Rmj
Our modern understanding of "teenager" is new, but the recognition of a stage between childhood and adulthood is not. What was expected of these kids and the age frame has.
Hey, kids - let's play "Freeper or Kossack"!
The following was posted on a popular internet site. It's up to you to decide if it was posted by a "Freeper" or a "Kossack":
If her polls start to slip,
then her tears soon will drip.
but too many sad tears
will soon fall on deaf ears
signs of tricking and skanking
means that Hillary's tanking
MSNBC saying Edwards getting an uptick from his polling.
Man, I would love it if he wins this one...fuck you, NYTimes.
I'd argue the term is almost entirely a marketing term.
Oh, absolutely.
Marketing, on so many levels, is deceptive. I've been in marketing for a long time...it's all about emotive tricks and weasels to sell product that, in many cases, you may not need.
Where can you see Tennessee Tuxedo these days, Chumley??
netflix
"Only a white man can become president"
Well, I've seen the alternatives this time around. A raging feminist lesbian and psycho black muslim gang-banger?
I'll stick with what works.
Man, I would love it if he wins this one...fuck you, NYTimes.
steve simels
Actually, the sentiment "fuck you, NYTimes" is good for 'most any occasion.
MSNBC saying Edwards getting an uptick from his polling.
Rasmussen has a poll out today that shows exactly that. Obama is still doing well. Hillary, not as well.
I'd like to contact her for a reading.
Send her an email! She's doing a workshop in Benicia today, if you want to catch a quick flight out...
MSNBC saying Edwards getting an uptick from his polling.
Man, I would love it if he wins this one...fuck you, NYTimes.
and in your face feingold!
Huckabee advising Democratic candidates to "lighten up."
Heh. Mr. Not Going to Be Around after Feb. 5
I'll stick with what works.
pud
hate.
edwards debate performance was very strong
pud wouldn't know what works if he was caught in its gears.
Which he will be.
Heh. Mr. Not Going to Be Around after Feb. 5
Don't break my heart. I was so looking forward to that one.
http://www.correntewire.com/
mean..._real_reporting
I'd asked earlier who/where the young grad student was who being sentenced to death for downloading un-Islamic articles. This may be it--not sentenced, just religious leaders demanding death sentence. ChiDy around? Is this what KO mentioned last night? Does he read Correntewire.com?
Anyway, she posted this:
Reporters Without Borders is very worried about the pressure being placed on the authorities by conservative religious leaders in the case of Sayed Perwiz Kambakhsh, a young journalist in the northern province of Balkh [Afghanistan] who has been detained since late October on charges of blasphemy and defaming Islam. The Council of Mullahs says he should be
sentenced to death.
“The calls for the death penalty for Kambakhsh highlight the growing influence of fundamentalist groups on intellectual debate,” the organisation
said. “The blasphemy charges are an ill-disguised attempt to hide the desire of the local authorities to restrict press freedom.”
A reporter for the newspaper Jahan-e Naw (“The New World”) and ajournalism student at Balkh university, Kambakhsh, 23, was arrested on
27 October. Articles on the role of women in Muslim society were found at his home.
http://www.cnw.ca/fr/releases/ar...8/17/
c9821.html
Reporters Without Borders is also very concerned about Ghows Zalmay, a
former journalist and attorney-general's spokesman, who is being held for publishing a translation of the Koran into Dari. He was arrested in early November after conservative religious leaders said the translation was "un-Islamic" and misinterpreted verses about adultery and begging.
Not surprisingly the mouth frothers are frothing at the mouth.
Giant orange stupid prediction:
mark penn will be under the bus
Hillary will have wholesale change to staff
Hillary will be in total meltdown
Hillary out of money
Ect.
All that will come from ‘a Hillary insider’, ‘a top aide’, ‘someone with access’, ‘a trusted source’, ect.
[I admit I didn’t see a vision. Just copied stuff from right before Hillary’s first win in NH.]
Oh yeah, same old machines. It did a little light dance and then said, "You're vote has been counted!"
No paper, no cardboard, nothing except the light show. I sure hope it reads my vote. I think there may be more than a race war in SC if the polls don't show the votes.
Rasmussen has a poll out today that shows exactly that. Obama is still doing well. Hillary, not as well.
Well, that's a daily tracking poll, and it's national, which means... not much, since all the primaries are state affairs.
But the Kossacks are ecstatic!
Heh. Mr. Not Going to Be Around after Feb. 5
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
OT but --
the black&white Beverly Hillbillies episodes have aged wonderfully.
Well, that's a daily tracking poll, and it's national, which means... not much, since all the primaries are state affairs.
Not to mention that Scott's polls are not the most reliable.
But the Kossacks are ecstatic!
dave™© | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 1:15 pm | #
I bet you love Hilary for her cankles.
Still, it's better than liking the ex-drug dealer Oreobama. We agree on that.
today's PR spotligt is focused on "the last remaining stronghold of the insurgency" which is apparently a mobile stronghold that moves about the Iraqi contryside much faster than our fucktard media can cope with.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 01.26.08 - 1:07 pm | #
Since there are about 10 million "number two" leaders of AlQeda, they have a huge advantage.
remember when the nation was on the edge of its seat as it awaited . . . the oj verdict? in a sad sort of way, i miss those innocent days.
the black&white Beverly Hillbillies episodes have aged wonderfully.
Those were pretty much the best.
Though I did like Jethro's turn as a "Double-Aught" spy.
And whenever Louis Nye showed up...
This SoundMax driver crap has been kicking me in the sack all morning. I'd like to have an integrated sound chip solution, but it's just not worth it. I'm gonna cram my trusty SoundBlaster card into my already crowded motherboard.
Knowing full well, we're not supposed to flirt on this thread.
Not to mention that Scott's polls are not the most reliable.
Shhhhhhhhhh! You'll harsh the Kossacks' mellow!
Since there are about 10 million "number two" leaders of AlQeda, they have a huge advantage.
rootless-e |
Al-Qaeda gets all their red shirts from Iran. I heard it from the military, so it's true!
I view the primaries like the run up to the NFL playoffs where we all root loudly for our home team only to unite in our common desire to see the Pats get their asses handed to them in the Superbowl.
Okay, even I'll admit that was lame.
"Well, that's a daily tracking poll, and it's national, which means... not much, since all the primaries are state affairs.
But the Kossacks are ecstatic!
dave™©"
And as we know poll results from directly from God so they can't be wrong.
I was talking to a law school friend who was in the navy . . . the amount of his anti-communist fervor was shocking. are people in the US military taught "communism" is/was the enemy or is he just 'special'?
Hmm...I was in the Army during the Reagan period of the Cold War, and I can recall no political indocrination sessions to raise your anti-communist fervor. Of course, I wasn't a ring knocker...but I think those guys were only encouraged to fervor levels around the time of the Army-Navy game.
Al-Qaeda gets all their red shirts from Iran.
Yes but then they have to sit out a year.
edwards debate performance was very strong
euphronius | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 1:14 pm | #
He was utterly different from the previous debates and far more believable.
Well, I've seen the alternatives this time around. A raging feminist lesbian and psycho black muslim gang-banger?
I'll stick with what works.
pud | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 1:13 pm | #
You mean the moron cokehead drunken deserter with the tiny penis?
You have very low standards, obviously.
the oj verdict? in a sad sort of way, i miss those innocent days.
____________________________________
Hang in there. They'll be back-- well, at least in all likelihood there'll be another OJ verdict.
Hey, kids - let's play "Freeper or Kossack"!
ROFL!
since it rhymes I'll guess kossack
I view the primaries like the run up to the NFL playoffs where we all root loudly for our home team only to unite in our common desire to do anything necessary to avoid actually watching the Super Bowl.
Fricasseed yesterday's tuba...
Fuck the Kossacks.
Who's up for Scrabulous?
the black&white Beverly Hillbillies episodes have aged wonderfully.
Awwwh. That makes me sad. My dad's favorite show of all time. He'd watch it and laugh until he'd cry. Today is the first anniversary of his death.
I woke up this morning and read the paper. I followed a front page story to page 2, and I did a double take. At the bottom of the page, there was a color pic of my dad and an "in memorium" that, apparently, my sister did. She didn't list a name, but she's kind of showy like that. That must have cost a fortune (I work with the paper in my job, and I know what 8th page color ads cost...). Normally, "in memoriums" are found in the Obit section...
Ironically, my dad would roll over in his ashes. He did not like fanfare...
Yes but then they have to sit out a year.
Halfdan
Hiding in the mobile caves Iran also provides!
Oh, they are devious!
Last S. C. poll:
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNe...ews.dbm?
ID=1435
I'm gonna cram my trusty SoundBlaster card into my already crowded motherboard.
_________________________________________
Let's leave your motherboard out of this.
the black&white Beverly Hillbillies episodes have aged wonderfully.
Miss Hathaway *so* wanted to ravish Jethro.
Big hug, Vicki. I remember what you went through last year. Glad you have such sweet memories to comfort you.
Who's up for Scrabulous?
I would, but I'm not on facebook. And I need a nap.
I will take a raincheck, though, as I plan to sign up.
“The calls for the death penalty for Kambakhsh highlight the growing influence of fundamentalist groups on intellectual debate,” the organisation
said. “The blasphemy charges are an ill-disguised attempt to hide the desire of the local authorities to restrict press freedom.”
Our future if assholes like Pat Robertson have their way.
Oh, they are devious!
Rmj, Yellow Dog | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 1:21 pm | #
The Iranian caves are equipped with nuclear centrifuges for making new AlQeada zombie terrorists.
I'm gonna cram my trusty SoundBlaster card into my already crowded motherboard.
That does it! I'm mailing a thousand letters to the FCC!
I would, but I'm not on facebook. And I need a nap.
If only I'd met this woman when I was single...!
noblejoanie,
♥.
It is what Tena said, though...there is always a void, but life does move on.
When he was dying, it was the most prolonged, surreal experience I've ever had to walk through.
Miss Hathaway *so* wanted to ravish Jethro.
In real life, I think she was after Ellie May...
That does it! I'm mailing a thousand letters to the FCC!
catalexis
Last I checked, there are only 26 letters in the whole alphabet.
I guess you'll have to use some of'em more than once?....
Hiding in the mobile caves Iran also provides!
Oh, they are devious!
Rmj, Yellow Dog | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 1:21 pm | #
Justice or wherever he's hiding, in the parlance of the times.
If only I'd met this woman when I was single...!
back at ya! Sure you can handle me? My appetite is...
voracious.
In real life, I think she was after Ellie May...
dave™©
Donna Douglas ... man o man.
I'd love to play but need to clean the litter box and keep an eye on the primary. I just hate it when MSM does numbers like the NH one. You'd think that two precints would have netted Edwards at least two votes, but whatever. They are the GODS of polls.
You mean the moron cokehead drunken deserter with the tiny penis?
I thank Mr. Simels for using the correct term in describing the drunken petulant three-year-old's status with the military.
Our future if assholes like Pat Robertson have their way.
And who among us does not look forward to the House Un-Christian Activities Committee?
In real life, I think she was after Ellie May...
I loved Miss Jane...
Sure you can handle me? My appetite is... voracious.
[droopy dawg] Yes, mistress... [/droopy dawg]
Donna Douglas was great, but I always had a yen for Alan Young's wife on MR ED.
Hokey smokes! Someone at Orange Satan has apparently remembered who the real enemy is!
Troll rate him! TROLL RATE HIM!!!
I guess you'll have to use some of'em more than once?....
I tried that...but the more I looked at those letters strung together the more I saw people in positions DOING IT!
pregnant "d", busty "p" and don't get me started on "k" *shudder*
Donna Douglas was great, but I always had a yen for Alan Young's wife on MR ED.
steve simels
Huh. I don't even remember her.
What a load of bodacious TV babes in the 60s -- Donna Douglas, Julie Newmar, Melody Patterson, Elizabeth Montgomery, Barbara Eden, Barbara Feldon....
Donna Douglas was great, but I always had a yen for Alan Young's wife on MR ED.
steve simels
She was stacked, and had beautiful eyes. And was very understanding that her husband chose a horse over her.
You mean the moron cokehead drunken deserter with the tiny penis?
___________________________________
And see how much smoother everything goes when you direct a Two-Minute Hate to a unanimously-shared target? 
why do drooling mouth breathers post their hate here? what's the point? to show off it's hate? is it proud of hate? where in the story about jeebus is hate of anything or anyone advocated?
we don't need proof that are people so stupid as to think violating the constitution and torture and murder and emptying the US treasury are out there - the polls tell us 31% of the people in the excited states are exactly that - welcome to the Chinese century
pregnant "d", busty "p" and don't get me started on "k" *shudder*
catalexis
Back to cuneiform!
there - the polls tell us 31% of the people in the excited states are exactly that - welcome to the Chinese century
Nuts! seriously | 01.26.08 - 1:28 pm | #
It's not china, it's Saudi. The Bush base likes theocracy, subservience to oil power, terrorism, misogyny, rule of super rich scumballs, and torture - the Saudi Arabian recipe.
Back to cuneiform!
Cuneiform? That's the alphabet made up entirely of golf ball tees right?
Don't fear the "k"...
Donna Douglas was great, but I always had a yen for Alan Young's wife on MR ED.
I loved Mr. Ed. I always wanted a horse that would talk to me after sex.
-Catherine the Great
The recurring theme with the B&W 60's sitcoms, was that the husbands were bumbling and inattentive, and the wives were scorching hot.
WTF?
The recurring theme with the B&W 60's sitcoms, was that the husbands were bumbling and inattentive, and the wives were scorching hot.
Nowadays the husbands are just as bumbling, but the wives are not quite so hot. Misogyny!
Speaking of Julie Newmar, I sure wish someone would put "My Living Doll" out on DVD.
With Bob Cummings. And speaking of Bob Cummings, I saw him in a second season "Twilight Zone" recently where he played a WWII pilot downed in the Sahara that was having a nervous breakdown.
He was fucking EXCELLENT!
Back to cuneiform!
Gummo
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Sorry, I can't get past the first three letters in "cuneiform" without jumping the tracks, never mind the ultimate assonance with "Maidenform".
And even recognizing the, er, assonance is disqualifying.
Even binary systems won't work-- too much like hot dogs and doughnuts chasing each other through the Lincoln Tunnel.
The recurring theme with the B&W 60's sitcoms, was that the husbands were bumbling and inattentive, and the wives were scorching hot.
Advertisers targetting women.
I will take a raincheck, though, as I plan to sign up.
Vicki, I will take a raincheck, though, as I plan to sign up.
Vicki,
excellent
I'm not a huge fan of I Love Lucy, but from a 21st century perspective it's kind of refreshing how much of an equal-opportunity bumbler that show was.
doofuses, flying cars have not been invented yet!!
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I don't know how many times I watched a busty Eva Gabor, wearing flimsy lingerie, getting shit from Eddie Albert, cuz the morning flapjacks weren't cooked properly.
excellent
qlª
Should be most fun.
Green Acres was absurdism; very funny.
I don't know how many times I watched a busty Eva Gabor, wearing flimsy lingerie, getting shit from Eddie Albert, cuz the morning flapjacks weren't cooked properly.
What was great about that show is the character who didn't want to be on the farm was the one who fit into the melange of Greater Hooterville so perfectly.
I'll stick with what works.
pud | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 1:13 pm | #
So you do want Bill back in the WH? you'll have to take Hillary, then.
Hehehehe!
Naptime. I'm all alone on a cold Saturday afternoon with nothing to do other than write a blog post about why Al Gore's pr-gay marriage stance is good for families, and I can't think of a better way to refresh my aching bones than by taking a nice long nap under fresh sheets. It'll make my blog post zing.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Have a nice day.
qlª:
I don't know if you missed this earlier, but I owe you a big mea culpa.
Believe it or not, until this afternoon it had never occurred to me that my use of the phrase That Woman about Hill could be taken as an echo of the the Lewinsky thing.
As far as I was concerned, it was just a phrase out of an old 30s drawing room farce by Noel Coward or somebody.
Really -- it never crossed my mind why it might be taken as offensive.
Green Acres was beautifully written. When Mr. Douglas would harken patriotic, the fife and drum would play, and the other actors would say "Did you hear that?"
Jeebus H. Christ, I start saying bad things about Hillary and suddenly NTodd's accusing me of being Russ Meyer.
Very depressing....
My favorite was always Mr. Haney, though Mr. Kimble was a close second.
"you don't have a pore hole key"
And let's not overlook the glimpse of Billie Jo, Bobbie Jo, and Betty Jo hygienically frolicking in the water tank by the Hooterville Cannonball.
Like the lingerie section of the Sears catalog, it was a gateway drug.
Really -- it never crossed my mind why it might be taken as offensive.
steve simels
Actually, when I mentioned I was offended by it, you immediately stopped using it so need to apologize on that score. Or any other. As long as we keep to the issues and remember that we're all gonna have to live with the eventual candidate AND each other, no need to apologize for arguing.
One episode, the opening credits were written on the eggs Lisa was sloppily breaking for Oliver's breakfast.
It was very creative.
Very depressing....
steve simels
Yeah, but I still love you.
Someone at Orange Satan has apparently remembered who the real enemy is!
The DLC?
DINOs?
Triangulating assholes who can't keep their pants on or their lies straight?
I liked Mr. Ziffel too.
I remember one episode when he was standing on the porch with Lisa saying "I wish my wife looked that good in the morning......or in the evening.......or in the summer."
Someone at Orange Satan has apparently remembered who the real enemy is!
The Judean People's Front!
MTP:
Sunday, Jan. 27
Exclusive!
Sen. John McCain
Two days before the crucial Florida Republican primary, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) joins us live from Tampa to talk about his presidential campaign. Then, we will have insights and analysis on the race for the White House with Maureen Dowd of the New York Times, Chuck Todd of NBC News, and Byron York of the National Review.
Democrats or libs need not apply!
Okay here's a pitch for a sit-com. Cranky, aging hippie music critic discovers the feisty, lesbian, third-wave feminist daughter he never knew existed.
Oh I forgot. Hilarity ensues.
Okay here's a pitch for a sit-com. Cranky, aging hippie music critic discovers the feisty, lesbian, third-wave feminist daughter he never knew existed.
Halfdan
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sounds every bit as good a My Mother the Car, or Clarence the Talking Mule.
Democrats or libs need not apply!
The only Democrat (though not a liberal) still in the race is Edwards, and he's not going to win.
So why bother?
You're going to bow to Princess Billary Bush & like it.
It was been decided.
What a load of bodacious TV babes in the 60s -- Donna Douglas, Julie Newmar, Melody Patterson, Elizabeth Montgomery, Barbara Eden, Barbara Feldon....
Gummo | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 1:28 pm | #
And they were, um, real.
I voted for Edwards today. That should cinch it.
MTP is a conservative talk show.
Okay here's a pitch for a sit-com. Cranky, aging hippie music critic discovers the feisty, lesbian, third-wave feminist daughter he never knew existed.
Halfdan
I like it. And here's the kicker...instead of making the old man the straight man of the gig like everyone expects, he wins out over the schemes of the youngster maybe 80% of the time.
If it's not overdone, I like camera takes in comedic movies, Like Eddie Murphy did in Trading Places, when Ralph Bellamy carefully explains that the futures market in orange juice involves what he has everyday for breakfast.
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Yeah, but I still love you.
qlª | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 1:53 pm | #
Ditto.
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