I'm glad, because that last snorg tee girl was really flipping me out.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 8:41 pm | #
umm this article is from 2006.
trifecta |
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08.02.08 - 8:42 pm | #
Latest (angry) McCain ad: (Black guy) Obama doesn't care about hispanics.
portia linked to this in previous thread.
Obama did mention Spain which, if memory serves, is full of Hispanics.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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08.02.08 - 8:43 pm | #
This was dead-threaded, and so here's my summary of McCain's Spanish latest ad:
"See...these clips we put together?! Of Obama saying the names of different countries?! He doesn't mention Latinos!"
Uncle Smokes |
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08.02.08 - 8:44 pm | #
Hello again, folks.
I see that you have been discussing (among other things) spiders and butterflies. Let me add to the list of nifty insects by directing you to Bonus Critter Blogging.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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08.02.08 - 8:44 pm | #
Party like it's 1986.
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 8:44 pm | #
Obama did mention Spain which, if memory serves, is full of Hispanics.
early and often!
Ali, spiritual advisor |
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08.02.08 - 8:47 pm | #
Hey Virgotex,
I remember seeing that written up before. Great place for an arachnophobic.
bo |
08.02.08 - 8:47 pm | #
NTodd, let's see, 1986...we had an infant in the house, and she was ours. So of course no rest for the wicked.
Looking back on it, I don't know how we did it, but when I see the photos from that time, we're all smiling. Which mystifies me because we were constantly exhausted.
forget about Miltie. I heard that Jerry Lewis was the biggest of all, if you're only counting white boys.
But, I heard, and I am sure Simels will back me up on this, that Sammy Davis Jr. had the biggest of all. That's why he got into the white boys gang.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 8:47 pm | #
A new poll released Thursday shows overwhelming support from Latinos for Sen. Barack Obama over Sen. John McCain.
A new poll out Thursday shows strong support for Sen. Barack Obama among Latinos.
A new poll out Thursday shows strong support for Sen. Barack Obama among Latinos.
Obama's approval rating with registered Latino voters, the nationwide Pew Hispanic Center poll found, is at 66 percent versus 23 percent favoring McCain.
I hate all this demographic talk. It just reflects how much the system and controllers have divided us to conquer us.
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 8:49 pm | #
NTodd, despite the lack of sleep and relentless responsibility, you'll never have so much fun. What you know of fun now will not compare
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
08.02.08 - 8:49 pm | #
GravatarWho the fuck gives a speech in Germany about Latin America.
only a young, popular, arrogant presidential vote getter type uppity negro person
virgotex |
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08.02.08 - 8:49 pm | #
I walked by the nest by my front door and the baby birds seem to be growing and getting more active. My original view of them were two pale blue eggs about 1 cm long. Then when they hatched you could see two balls of down not much larger. I saw their hungry beaks pointed upwards. They still are pretty small.
Doug |
08.02.08 - 8:50 pm | #
Pretty easy to say when you're not part of the demographic that's being talked about.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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08.02.08 - 8:50 pm | #
The intent of the Bush family was to fuck you coming and going. And they did it.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 8:50 pm | #
A large gypsum deposit at Montmartre in Paris is the source of the name.
rea |
08.02.08 - 8:51 pm | #
What you know of fun now will not compare
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I'm not sure fun is exactly the right word. But it's uncomparable, all right.
Ali, spiritual advisor |
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08.02.08 - 8:51 pm | #
However now I think I'm going to try to attract the buzzards I've seen in the area. Put out some gobbets of raw flesh. Have buzzards nesting on my roof.
Doug |
08.02.08 - 8:52 pm | #
NTodd, I was with Maddy and Mlle all day Thursday. We were in Vroman's Books, a Real Bookstore (Diane can attest to this), and in the children's reading area, there's a wooden train set, with lots of cars and track. For about an hour, Maddy walked around the train table, pushing the train cars and going "choo choo!" the entire time, but when she passed her mom, she'd interrupt the sound effects and say "hi Mama!" Then back to train sound effects--lather, rinse, repeat
When we're walking, she tells her mom, "Mama hand," and then she'd tell me, "Nana hand." That way she's got an adult on either side of her.
Okay, okay, I know, I'm being a silly grandma here
NTodd, she also understands when restaurant servers ask her what she wants. Our server asked her what she wanted to drink, and she said, "Wawa!" Mlle asked her if she'd rather have soy milk or juice, and Maddy shook her head and said, "No! Wawa!"
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
08.02.08 - 8:54 pm | #
lot of buzzards in my area Doug, because of the wildlife roadkill.
Buzzards are funny animals. Though, they do essential work.
I love to see them on damp mornings- they sit on the radio towers or on top of phone pole, with their wings raised to dry out.
virgotex |
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08.02.08 - 8:54 pm | #
NTodd I can see what your point is.
I'm not stupid.
I just disagree.
Is that ok?
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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08.02.08 - 8:54 pm | #
NTodd, best of all, we're spending the day with them tomorrow, too
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
08.02.08 - 8:55 pm | #
Sallyh is correct. Vroman's is one of the niftiest bookstores in Southern California, and one of the few independents left.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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08.02.08 - 8:55 pm | #
Trademark dave aka zzzzzzzzzzz dave. A Simels sock puppet, no question.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 8:56 pm | #
All I know is, if they turn the internet into something like what cable TV is now, I'll drop it in a heartbeat...what I love about the net is the flexibility, these assholes always want to control things so they can make more money. To hell with them...
Joe Vecchio |
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08.02.08 - 8:56 pm | #
"FCC tells Comcast to stop blocking Web file sharing
Precedent - In telling the cable firm to allow transfers of large data files, the agency said it was enforcing open Internet accessSaturday, August 02, 2008 JOHN DUNBARThe Associated Press
WASHINGTON -- A divided Federal Communications Commission on Friday ruled that Comcast Corp. violated federal policy when it blocked Internet traffic for some subscribers.
The FCC ordered the cable giant to change the way it manages its network. In a precedent-setting move, the FCC by a 3-2 vote, enforced a policy that guarantees customers open access to the Internet." http://www.oregonlive.com/busine...3660.xml&
coll=7
pigboy |
08.02.08 - 8:56 pm | #
CA is not flatter than VT.
But it has a lot more sunlight. And it's much, much drier
NTodd, she also understands when restaurant servers ask her what she wants.
wait till she starts ordering wine
virgotex |
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08.02.08 - 8:56 pm | #
I like Toronto.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 8:56 pm | #
Diane, I can spend an entire afternoon in Vroman's. And have.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
08.02.08 - 8:57 pm | #
I helped a woman that was McCain't mom's age at Aldi, btw. For a lot longer than I intended, even.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 8:57 pm | #
Toronto is a super city. I much more enjoyed spending a weekend in Toronto to see a play that going to New York.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 8:57 pm | #
California is only flat in the, er, flat parts. It's really, really non-flat in the mountainy parts.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 8:57 pm | #
I'm not stupid.
I just disagree.
Is that ok?
Of course it's okay. But why do you think we need to focus on demographics, instead of being Americans who support candidates?
This is how they control us: divide and conquer, convince us that we all have unique needs, and play us against each other. Mayhaps if we refused their framing, we might fight them better and achieve all our interests that much more effectively.
Are hispanics somehow more for war, or more against healthcare than the rest of the folks here? The majority of Americans want to end the war and take the monies to pay for healthcare. That's not a demographic issue. Etc.
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 8:58 pm | #
Virgotex, we're hoping she'll hold off till she's 3 for that
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
08.02.08 - 8:58 pm | #
I like Toronto.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 8:56 pm | #
"Green acres is the place to be
Farm living is the life for me
Land spreading out,
so far and wide
Keep Manhattan,
just give me that countryside.
New York
is where I'd rather stay
I get allergic smelling hay
I just adore a penthouse view
Darling, I love you,
but give me Park Avenue."
pigboy |
08.02.08 - 8:58 pm | #
wait till she starts ordering wine
virgotex
"Shardenway! No, I want shardenway!"
Uncle Smokes |
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08.02.08 - 8:58 pm | #
I wonder how enthusiastic the telecomms are about Main Core....
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
08.02.08 - 8:58 pm | #
The Bush family dreams all night of fucking America. They discuss their evil plans at breakfast, then they go out and fuck America.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 8:59 pm | #
"Pretty easy to say when you're not part of the demographic that's being talked about."
--HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
You're damn right. When everyone in this country is treated equally, then I'll agree with NTodd.
mer |
08.02.08 - 8:59 pm | #
Honey Bear Kelly, with the child we know as NTodd, I am sorry to inform you that it is not okay.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 9:00 pm | #
I like Toronto and I like Ottawa too. Very much.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
08.02.08 - 9:00 pm | #
Le Jackel, dear, not just fucking us, but fucking us with a rusty chainsaw. Sideways.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
08.02.08 - 9:00 pm | #
I like Toronto and I like Ottawa too. Very much.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
I was referring to a song.
Ali, spiritual advisor |
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08.02.08 - 9:01 pm | #
I see people are talking about fucking
all is right with the world
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:01 pm | #
Auntie GWPDA, for me, it's Montreal
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
08.02.08 - 9:01 pm | #
I wonder if I should go to Ohio and work the election, this year.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:01 pm | #
Well, Ontario is a big place. No doubt some of it sucks. Maybe that bit around Hamilton.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 9:01 pm | #
GravatarI like Toronto and I like Ottawa too. Very much.
I need to go back to Canada. Only been once, a few days in Montreal
virgotex |
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08.02.08 - 9:01 pm | #
And, in general, I like Ontario. The availability of that high plain pretty much saved my soul during my residence in upstate New York. You can breathe up there. Not as well as in the Praries, but still...
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
08.02.08 - 9:01 pm | #
Uncle Blodge, not if the Bushes are doing the fucking.
Florida would be nicer, but I wonder if OH would be the more logical choice.
I think PA is bagged.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:02 pm | #
When everyone in this country is treated equally, then I'll agree with NTodd.
Is it about treatment, really? I don't think the political polling is. It's about convincing us that we have differences, and microcontrolling us.
Poverty is not unique to a demographic, nor hunger, nor violence, nor the need to have shelter. Certainly when government and/or society addresses those needs/issues, they might have to come up with solutions that will be weighted toward one community or another, but the problems are universal.
The more we accept the demographic breakdowns that marketers have foisted upon us, the more we accept the consumerism and political divisions that enable the status quo. We might consider rejecting them and addressing electoral politics as progressives, not hispanic progressives, or black progressives, or anything else.
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:02 pm | #
I like Montreal as well.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
08.02.08 - 9:02 pm | #
Uncle Blodge, not if the Bushes are doing the fucking.
And we are the Fuckeees
pigboy |
08.02.08 - 9:03 pm | #
pigboy: And we are the Fuckeees
Hey, hey, we're the Fuckees!
And we're comin' to your town!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:04 pm | #
I like Alberta. I like the whole concept of cowboys who say, "giddyup, eh."
trifecta |
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08.02.08 - 9:04 pm | #
...all this and more in next month's issue of No Duh magazine.
Uncle Smokes |
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08.02.08 - 9:04 pm | #
BOHICA
Telcoms and Big Media and Oil Bidness Own our sorry asses, they ALWAYS get what they want and we pay for it.
Jesus X. Crutch |
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08.02.08 - 9:04 pm | #
Don't care much about Lethbridge, however. Looking forward to Winnipeg.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
08.02.08 - 9:04 pm | #
Hey, hey, we're the Fuckees!
And we're comin' to your town!
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 9:04 pm | #
I hope we're not too busy singing to bring that bastard down..........
pigboy |
08.02.08 - 9:05 pm | #
The highway between Alberta and BC is one gorgeous stretch of road.
trifecta |
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08.02.08 - 9:05 pm | #
"How are ya, darling?"
meh
went expecting a war with the ex and she agreed with everything I had to say.
I'm thinking about picking a school in north philadelphia next year. crazy or what?
the phillies are winning
and there's cheese in the refrigerator
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:05 pm | #
I do want the same things everybody else wants.
I'm pretty sure most Latinos do.
I don't want to be separated into some market research sub topic.
But I'm not the one doing that.
And as long as somebody is doing it to me I'm going to speak on it.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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08.02.08 - 9:06 pm | #
Alberta is breathtaking, top to bottom, side to side.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
08.02.08 - 9:06 pm | #
Some of the telecoms could have contracts hosting main core.
Ontario most definitly does not suck. I think maybe it is you that sucks. I mean if you axt me of course.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 9:06 pm | #
highway between Alberta and BC is one gorgeous stretch of road.
trifecta
that would be a very short stretch of highway.
Ali, spiritual advisor |
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08.02.08 - 9:07 pm | #
Alberta doesn't suck. But Calgary does.
Ali, spiritual advisor |
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08.02.08 - 9:07 pm | #
But I'm not the one doing that.
And as long as somebody is doing it to me I'm going to speak on it.
But you are repeating it, which is a form of support. Just saying that perhaps we here might stop reinforcing the market research. Part of the problem is tacit consent to the current system...
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:07 pm | #
"Is it about treatment, really? I don't think the political polling is. It's about convincing us that we have differences, and microcontrolling us."
oh man...
if the working class ever realized that their interests and the interests of african americans were so similar, the changes we'd see.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:07 pm | #
Curly is a much beter photographic subject than I am. Duh!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:07 pm | #
NTodd, I understand with what you are saying, I just don't think we are there yet.
mer |
08.02.08 - 9:08 pm | #
Honestly, to my mind allowing this administration not to publish the M3 report is beyond comprehension. Why isn't there a hue and cry in Congress and every editorial page?
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 9:08 pm | #
They had a ruby Tuesday in Calgary. I was happy. I made fun of Edmonton fans about Gretzky playing for the Kings on an Edmonton radio show. It was an excellent trip. Oh and Banff has A LOT of Japanese tourists, or did back then.
trifecta |
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08.02.08 - 9:09 pm | #
Ali, Calgary also does not suck. I think it is you who sucks.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 9:09 pm | #
Mr. Celebrity: John McCain's Star Turn in the Wedding Crashers.
hahaha!! Pass the sweet and sour shrimp!
portia |
08.02.08 - 9:10 pm | #
"I understand with what you are saying, I just don't think we are there yet."
I think he's saying be the change you wish to see in the world.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:10 pm | #
that would be a very short stretch of highway.
Highway 3? Long enough. Lotta switchbacks. Calgary's a funny old town - centre of it is still nice. But I was floored the last time I was up - damned town has quadrupled outward, so much so that little towns an hour south are now being claimed as within Calgary. Ridiculous. Still, you gotta love a town that has a main river - The Bow - and its tributary - The Elbow.
Oops I should have said that it was up i the left corner of the screen.
portia |
08.02.08 - 9:11 pm | #
if the working class ever realized that their interests and the interests of african americans were so similar, the changes we'd see.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
[I assume you meant white working class or somesuch]
At the very beginning of this Republic, the owners of the country were alarmed that black and white workers were coming together for common economic cause. A variety of tactics ensued that continue to this day to divide. 'Twas ever mission accomplished.
Uncle Smokes |
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08.02.08 - 9:11 pm | #
NTodd, I understand with what you are saying, I just don't think we are there yet.
Where, yet? At the point where we as a community can stop accepting the frame? Where does the resistance and change begin?
It is interesting, though, that somehow I couldn't weigh in as a person of a particular demographic, saying I don't like the focus on demographic politics...
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:11 pm | #
well, I've never been to canada
but I've been to manayunk
oh they tell me I was born there
but what the fuck do they know?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:12 pm | #
The one thang which no one can dispute about the McCain't campaign.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:12 pm | #
Alberta is breathtaking, top to bottom, side to side.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian | 08.02.08 - 9:06 pm | #
GWPDA, trifecta referred to the "highway between Alberta and BC". That would be a very short stretch of highway, I was having a little fun with it.
Ali, spiritual advisor |
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08.02.08 - 9:12 pm | #
The reason I was happy about a Ruby Tuesday in Calgary was that I got a burger just north of Idaho for $6.50 canadian that was so gross I wanted to cry. It was a gray piece of meat on a burger with a little mustard smeared on it.
trifecta |
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08.02.08 - 9:12 pm | #
It's a tricky question: When does empowerment become estrangement?
Uncle Smokes |
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08.02.08 - 9:13 pm | #
[I assume you meant white working class or somesuch]
I did.
"A variety of tactics ensued that continue to this day to divide. 'Twas ever mission accomplished."
well documented in a book called "how the irish became white"
I highly recommend it.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:13 pm | #
trifecta: The reason I was happy about a Ruby Tuesday in Calgary was that I got a burger just north of Idaho for $6.50 canadian that was so gross I wanted to cry. It was a gray piece of meat on a burger with a little mustard smeared on it.
No Fat Mo's?
I Won't Go!™
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:14 pm | #
I got a burger just north of Idaho for $6.50 canadian that was so gross
I wanted to cry. It was a gray piece of meat on a burger with a little
mustard smeared on it.
And this saddens me, trifecta, because from the location you describe you were THIS close to Yahk, home of the best damned Alberta beef hamburgers you'll ever have.
Trifecta, Fatburger is a chain. Do NOT go there. Your digestive tract will thank you.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
08.02.08 - 9:16 pm | #
I think he's saying be the change you wish to see in the world.
Mahatma, is that you? Fucknozzle.
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:16 pm | #
And, altho Hy's closed the Calgary store, you can always go to one of the other ones in the West. (Hy and his wife lived upstairs from us in Calgary - they took inspiration for the steakhouse from a visit to Vegas, land of real steakhouses.) http://www.hyssteakhouse.com/hys...tler-
menus.html
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
08.02.08 - 9:17 pm | #
Ali: There's something called "Fatburger" in Vancouver. I haven't ventured in.
Fat Mo's is a chain in Nashville, started more than 20 years ago by an Iranian immigrant. His friends and family still operate all the locations, AIUI.
I do not know what they do to those burgers, and may not wanna know. They are absolute perfection.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:17 pm | #
I read "How the Irish Became White."
I was initially amused by the title, seeing as we're some of the palest people on the planet, but it was really a fascinating and insightful read.
Why is this moron linking to a two year old blog posting by another moron?
hat |
08.02.08 - 9:18 pm | #
Auntie, it was right across the border. It was allegedly a German restaurant. Don't know if you know the place.
trifecta |
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08.02.08 - 9:18 pm | #
But on Victoria Island, don't let a woman talk you into high tee. Man, 150 dollars for a cup of tee, not coffee, and some mini sandwichs without real food in them. The best one I had was cucumber for God's sake. Seriously, don't let her talk you into it. I is not worth it. Go to the garden instead. That is something. You can get a hotdog or something.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 9:18 pm | #
telling you that all you are saying is give peace a chance.
and that we shall overcome!!
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:19 pm | #
I do not know what they do to those burgers, and may not wanna know. They are absolute perfection.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
I think it's time I got started on dinner here! thanks for getting my hunger pangs going.
Ali, spiritual advisor |
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08.02.08 - 9:19 pm | #
Dude, the thing is I have to publish a quarterly every three months justifying my activities. And it has to be clean and pristine. It has to be immaculate. I debate the freshness and the point size of the font. Serious, 12 point Arial bold with shadowing balanced by 12.5 point Times New Roman text. Dude, why can't the Bush administration come up with the M3 report.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 9:20 pm | #
I think he's saying be the change you wish to see in the world.
I always thought In and Out Burger was a sexual euphemism.
Gomez |
08.02.08 - 9:21 pm | #
It's a tricky question: When does empowerment become estrangement?
If you accept empowerment as an individual thing, then it's less tricky. I have power as a person. Sure, I can identify with my family, my girlfriend, my Pack, my town, my race, my religion, my nation, my whatever. But I am empowered to act as a moral agent.
That will definitely estrange me from some people who don't want me to act. But that's generally an interpersonal thing, not really based on a particular demographic.
What if the larger society says that it's okay to engage in slavery? Racism? Sexism? Should the empowered individual conform? That's an individual choice, of course.
So here we are, accepting the media and polling firms' frame, that there are specific groups of people that Obama somehow needs to court, with specifically tailored words, and if he misses one (hey, he didn't mention Latinos in his Berlin speech!), he can be excoriated. Perhaps we should work to destroy THAT tendency as part of our efforts to get him elected.
That said, I do understand that no matter what I say there are some folks here who will reject it because of how they feel about me. That's not a demographic thing. That's an interpersonal thing, too. Ah, well...
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:21 pm | #
That will definitely estrange me from some people who don't want me to act.
Nah its the Browns thing.
Gomez |
08.02.08 - 9:22 pm | #
Ali: Those fries look delish too, Jeffraham.
They're the only fries in town I feel compelled to finish. And with Hunt's ketchup? Magnifique!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:23 pm | #
Mahatma, is that you? Fucknozzle.
NTodd, Counterproductive
You made me think of Mr. Show's "Jack Webber", where he punches out the Dalai Lama.
Uncle Smokes |
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08.02.08 - 9:23 pm | #
I'll protest as long I got bail money and can get out to do my bankruptcy hearings.
Gomez |
08.02.08 - 9:24 pm | #
NTodd, I don't think it's just the marketers in this case. It's the employers, the police, the way people are treated in stores and banks. Maybe they think Obama will actually try to make things fairer. I hope so.
mer |
08.02.08 - 9:25 pm | #
I finally understand!
NTodd believes that societies are formed by individuals. He is mistaken. Individuals are formed by society -- the group comes first -- relationship creates individuals -- Descartes was before the horse (I know it is tiresome to blame Descartes for everything, but sometimes it is true).
Prior Aelred |
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08.02.08 - 9:25 pm | #
"there are some folks here who will reject it because of how they feel about me."
hey people can like you and still think you're full of shit, you know
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:25 pm | #
I always thought In and Out Burger was a sexual euphemism.
Gomez
Iowa has a chain of convenience stores call Kum & Go.
puppethead |
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08.02.08 - 9:25 pm | #
Nah its the Browns thing.
I can change. I can root for the Bungles.
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:26 pm | #
NTodd believes that societies are formed by individuals. He is mistaken. Individuals are formed by society -- the group comes first -- relationship creates individuals
I'd say it goes both ways, nature vs nurture. And an individual still has a moral agency independent of that society, which is why we can engage in antithesis and eventually synthesis (Hegel, I presume?).
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:27 pm | #
I can change. I can root for the Bungles.
NTodd, Counterproductive
Yeah, but you'd have to root for the Bungles to do that.
Gomez |
08.02.08 - 9:27 pm | #
Gomez,
How 'bout dinner at In and Out Burger?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 9:28 pm | #
NTodd -- I know that's what you would say -- that's why I said you were wrong -- I'm not arguing with you -- I'm disagreeing with you.
Prior Aelred |
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08.02.08 - 9:28 pm | #
in re the Prior, more Marx than Hegel.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
08.02.08 - 9:29 pm | #
I think protest is going to be necessary to keep Obama honest.
Gomez |
08.02.08 - 9:29 pm | #
Dammit. I want a Fat Mo's. I just don't wanna fork out nearly $7 for dinner!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:29 pm | #
Individuals are formed by society -- the group comes first -- relationship creates individuals
That explains gay Muslims, and black Republicans.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 9:29 pm | #
236.com is making a new animated webcast based on Get Your War On! Check out the first episode at Slow Roasted!
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Meander |
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08.02.08 - 9:29 pm | #
nature vs nurture.
This is how I view it, too. And nurture creates nature and natural states of existence, as well.
All my life's a circle...
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 9:30 pm | #
How 'bout dinner at In and Out Burger?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Rene Descartes was a drunken fart.
Gomez |
08.02.08 - 9:31 pm | #
I prefer to call it "naurture."
Uncle Smokes |
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08.02.08 - 9:31 pm | #
And nurture creates nature and natural states of existence, as well.
I see it exactly the other way around. Nature creates nurture.
hmmmmmm |
08.02.08 - 9:31 pm | #
All my life's a circle...
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Mine's more of a tetrahedron.
Gomez |
08.02.08 - 9:31 pm | #
As someone who worked hard with the Head Start program, I think good intentions are overrated -- by pre-school it is already to late. Free Will is an illusion, but it is one we cherish (& gives us hope -- which keeps us all from committing suicide) -- so, how was everyone else's day?
Prior Aelred |
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08.02.08 - 9:32 pm | #
I see it exactly the other way around. Nature creates nurture.
As I said, I see it as a circle. I think it works both ways.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 9:32 pm | #
Perhaps the nature v nurture argument is endless.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 9:32 pm | #
NTodd -- I know that's what you would say -- that's why I said you were wrong -- I'm not arguing with you -- I'm disagreeing with you.
I'm disagreeing back. If individuals are only formed by society, then there'd never be revolution, let alone individual rebellion. People can see that their society lacks something and try to effect change. Sure, they're going against said society, but they clearly can be exposed to ideas from outside that society and even come up with ideas of their own, unless you subscribe solely to an Humean notion of where ideas come from...
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:32 pm | #
Free will is an illusion.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 9:33 pm | #
Prior Aelred -- Didn't Susan Gray have something to do with starting Head Start?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:33 pm | #
I don't which came first, the chicken or the egg, but there was whole lot of clucking.
Uncle Smokes |
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08.02.08 - 9:34 pm | #
"Saturday, August 02, 2008
Only black reporter kicked out of McCain event for no reason
John Aravosis (DC) ·
But race had nothing to do with it, McCain's staff assures us. Really. Some of McCain's best reporters are black. Well, no they're not. The only black one just got asked to leave. And lots of other white reporters were in the same "restricted" zone but they weren't asked to leave. Only the black one. Well that's not really true. When a white reporter asked why the black reporter was being asked to leave, they kicked her out too. Nice."
to an Humean notion of where ideas come from...
NTodd, Counterproductive | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 9:32 pm | #
Don't cha just hate that Humean guy.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 9:34 pm | #
It's nice to be able to nurture, but you've got to have the means. Many in this country are not able to anymore.
mer |
08.02.08 - 9:34 pm | #
NTodd -- revolutionaries are part of the normal distribution of personality types -- just like the fixed % of people who will always be dissatisfied no matter what the situation -- stay away from statisticians - you will lose faith in the revolution.
Prior Aelred |
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08.02.08 - 9:34 pm | #
Free will is an illusion.
You had to say that.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 9:35 pm | #
I don't which came first, the chicken or the egg, but there was whole lot of clucking.
Uncle Smokes
Kill them all and let God sort out the breakfast.
Gomez |
08.02.08 - 9:35 pm | #
"I don't which came first, the chicken or the egg, but there was whole lot of clucking."
If individuals are only formed by society, then there'd never be revolution, let alone individual rebellion. People can see that their society lacks something and try to effect change.
Read Tolstoy's second epilogue to War and Peace.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
08.02.08 - 9:36 pm | #
Perhaps the nature v nurture argument is endless.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 9:32 pm | #
maybe it hasn't even really gotten started yet.
fokowi |
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08.02.08 - 9:36 pm | #
Oh no, you musn't disagree with NTodd. He may throw a tantrum, or something. It won't be pretty. Don't you know that NTodd is the very best of Eschaton, and the whole world for all I know? What a fine young lad.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 9:36 pm | #
As I said, I see it as a circle. I think it works both ways.
I agree, it's a feedback mechanism, a circle.
But it all starts with DNA.
And I agree, no such thing as free will.
hmmmmmm |
08.02.08 - 9:36 pm | #
The piccolo player's a motherfucker.
jc in ky |
08.02.08 - 9:36 pm | #
Kill them all and let God sort out the breakfast.
Gomez
stupid. it is actually common to tell Ntodd he is full of it.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:37 pm | #
Dunno who started Head Start, but I know there weren't very white people working there & even fewer males -- when I went to a major workshop for Southwestern Ohio, the number of white males participating were two (& I don't know who the other guy was).
American society (especially then) indicated the value it placed on things by the number of white males involved -- Head Start was a sop to the bleeding hearts & my heart still breaks when I think about how hard we worked to accomplish so little -- Uncle Blodge still around?
Prior Aelred |
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08.02.08 - 9:37 pm | #
"Uncle Blodge still around?"
he is
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:38 pm | #
Read Tolstoy's second epilogue to War and Peace.
I can't even get through the forward written by the 6th Dalai Lama.
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:39 pm | #
At this point I am a bit lost, NTodd.
Do you object to framing itself, or accepting the framing from others?
Uncle Smokes |
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08.02.08 - 9:39 pm | #
Prior -- I used to work on their website; that's why I asked.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:39 pm | #
I can't believe that mimi couldn't stay away from here. Shit...even Castro stopped coming by after awhile.
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 9:40 pm | #
Many in this country are not able to anymore.
mer
mer, I worked Kids Day at the Zoo yesterday. It's great exposure.
The number one question we encountered was:
Do you guys take Priority Health Medicaid?
There is not a single doctor's practice in this region that is open to ANY Medicaid right now, including the group for whom I work. We still have some family prac/internists who do accept Medicaid. But we're few and far between.
Very telling. It's in my report to the execs.
I work for a GREAT corp. I love my job. Our docs take plenty of Medicaid patients. But some practices are full to the point that they can't take any more patients.
We, as a nation, are almost at the point where single payor will become the reality out of necessity.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 9:40 pm | #
When it comes down to it, I don't give a shit whether there's free will or not, or if it's nature or nurture. It's all rather an adolescent argument, and completely beside the point of living in the real world.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 9:41 pm | #
Plus there's a whole section about how I fucked around with a bunch of atriots. Personally, I think I came close to screwing mimi.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 9:41 pm | #
Hey, wasn't this supposed to be the vaginaey thread, since the previous one was so prickish?
bo |
08.02.08 - 9:42 pm | #
stupid. it is actually common to tell Ntodd he is full of it.
It's quite the popular sport, in fact!
It's also quite popular to think that when *I* disagree, that somehow I'm not allowing people to disagree with me. I find that intriguing...
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:42 pm | #
Uncle Blodge -- it was just that feeling of simultaneous hope & helplessness when working with the kids -- I got 'em long before they got to you & i was feeling like it was already too late -- I was the closest thing to a father most of those kids & sharing some guy with a roomful of other kids for half a day is no father (not that a lesbian couple can't raise children ... I'll come in again ...)
Prior Aelred |
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08.02.08 - 9:42 pm | #
OK -- bats -- for me it is late & so good night!
Prior Aelred |
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08.02.08 - 9:44 pm | #
NTodd and I can disagree and we don't tell each other to go fuck ourselves. I find that admirable. Matter of fact I like NTodd very much.
mer |
08.02.08 - 9:44 pm | #
Oh, yeah baby, it turns me on when you're being so cold and distant.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 9:45 pm | #
There should have been a comma in there.
Damn Simels.
mer |
08.02.08 - 9:45 pm | #
NTodd and I can disagree and we don't tell each other to go fuck ourselves. I find that admirable. Matter of fact I like NTodd very much.
mer
Do you object to framing itself, or accepting the framing from others?
Both. My original point was that I don't like how we all talk of the demographic polling. "They" pushed that on us, and we continue to parrot it instead of saying, "stop this nonsense, we're Americans and the majority want out of Iraq..."
Everything else is trickery to get Obama et al to say an introduction in Spanish when speaking to the Germans or whatever. Fundamentally, it was a bit of a throw away comment indicating some discomfort I have with the notion that we must needs be divided by the artifice of race in a national race (ahem), and I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition...
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:46 pm | #
I agree with what NTodd said. I am afraid to disagree with him to be honest.
trifecta |
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08.02.08 - 9:46 pm | #
Now uncle, may I call you uncle, when did you call out our NTodd? I thought only Simels ever did that. And Simels was always wrong. This is our very fine boy we are talking about. I mean, the young man waves a dildo around in public for goodness sake. And to this day he is proud of it. Let's allow him to grow up. He's a cute kid.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 9:46 pm | #
mer is what's wrong with this country. And Moe is what's wrong with Canada.
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:46 pm | #
Disgusting show on MSNBC: a homosexual in prison is talking about how he's in trouble again and how this happens regularly, in fact it seems to happen trhe same time every year. After a while it becomes clear he is talking about blowing a guy and getting caught (while ostensible watching religious tapes). He isn't allowed to blow people in prison and get caught. For sixty days he has what little activities and possessions he is already allowed taken away. At the point where we changed the channel he says "given what I am this will probably happen again." Prison's in Iowa by the way, we're sure that isn't playing a role.
How stupid and evil is this?
NTodd's got too much facial hair.
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 9:47 pm | #
It's also quite popular to think that when *I* disagree, that somehow I'm not allowing people to disagree with me. I find that intriguing...
I have that same disease. And then I am scolded for being pompous, because I have an opinion that differs from his or hers.
I find that as intriguing as Borscht, since I'm about the most open to ideas mother sucker on the planet.
Christ almighty, in order to make it in PR, you have to be willing to observe and listen to all sides. In the work world, I am very careful about my judgment, and in the real world, I spend almost too much time weighing things carefully before making a decision to made a decision, or not.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 9:47 pm | #
"I was the closest thing to a father most of those kids & sharing some guy with a roomful of other kids for half a day is no father"
I had a student in summer school who had issues.
he accidentally shot and killed his brother - and was still in legal trouble over it (his mom said it was going to be ok but...)
he was kind of crazy. don't ask how I managed to get him to work enough to pass but i did - and part of it was by telling him he was too going to get his ass to school and do the goddamn work.
I don't know what effect 3 weeks will have but hopefully someone later will be able to reach the kid.
was it too late? I don't know - and I probably never will know.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:48 pm | #
NOT THE COMFY CHAIR!
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:48 pm | #
Wake up dude, or NTodd will stick his enormous dick in your mouth.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 9:49 pm | #
he was kind of crazy. don't ask how I managed to get him to work enough to pass but i did - and part of it was by telling him he was too going to get his ass to school and do the goddamn work.
Zapette's a school social worker here in St. Paul. The stories I hear...(if I could repeat them)
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 9:50 pm | #
Please oh please oh please, let Eric Cantor be John McCain's veep pick. Cantor is dumber than two bags of hammers.
Florida |
08.02.08 - 9:50 pm | #
69, if you say so.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 9:50 pm | #
"mer is what's wrong with this country. And Moe is what's wrong with Canada."
--NTodd,
Did Art Monk cure cancer or sumtin?
jc in ky |
08.02.08 - 9:50 pm | #
...(if I could repeat them)
Compliance loves you, Zap!
Seriously.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 9:50 pm | #
150 dollars for a cup of tee, not coffee, and some mini sandwichs without real food in them. The best one I had was cucumber for God's sake. Seriously, don't let her talk you into it. I is not worth it. Go to the garden instead. That is something. You can get a hotdog or something.
eine Heidelberre | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 9:18 pm | #
Guess who the idiot is tonight. the moron who paid $150 for a cup of tea...oops, tee. I see that the stuoid medal has been passed on to eine mo.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 9:50 pm | #
I'd like to see the Presidential candidates engage in a series of Lincoln-Douglas style debates.
galzo |
08.02.08 - 9:50 pm | #
Hey all. I just found out that Cindy McCain's middle name is Lou.
Fundamentally, it was a bit of a throw away comment indicating some discomfort I have with the notion that we must needs be divided by the artifice of race in a national race (ahem), and I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition...
a lot of people call out Ntodd. he answers back and sometimes that leads to an argument. However, he does not take himself all that seriously that you can't tell him to fuck off.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:51 pm | #
Kewl...I put the Pandora music app on my iPod. The punk/new wave station is fun. Haven't heard the U.K. Subs in eons.
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 9:51 pm | #
All you need to know.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 9:52 pm | #
There is not a single doctor's practice in this region that is open to ANY Medicaid right now, including the group for whom I work. We still have some family prac/internists who do accept Medicaid. But we're few and far between. - Vicki
The latest follies in CA
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California's Medi-Cal program, which funds health care for 6.6 million low-income people, is being hit with a double whammy.
Starting next week, Medi-Cal payments will cease for about 4,700 hospitals, clinics, adult day care centers, convalescent homes and other institutions until the state's budget deadlock ends.
And last month, a 10 percent fee cut took effect for the large network of doctors, pharmacists, dentists and other health care professionals who serve Medi-Cal patients around the state. The cut is expected to save $610 million a year for Medi-Cal, the state's second largest program covered by the general fund.
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Essentially, this is the handiwork of 10 'Thuglicans in the State Senate who are blocking the budget from passing. (2/3 majority in both Houses required).
I would guess that if WGG were a resident of this state, he would have plenty to say about 'Thuglican State Senators and the appropriatness of their acquiring personalized DSHs. This is, of course, only conjecture on my part, but in this circumstance it would be entirely irresponsible not to speculate.
bo |
08.02.08 - 9:52 pm | #
Yep, every other motherfucker is friendly and reliable.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 9:53 pm | #
I'm not really Canadian. Or so I've been told.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 9:53 pm | #
B-b-b-b-b-but!
You could hear
Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:53 pm | #
However, he does not take himself all that seriously that you can't tell him to fuck off.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 08.02.08 - 9:51 pm | #
unlike eine, who is an idiot, and worried about a dildo.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 9:53 pm | #
B-b-b-b-b-but!
You could hear Rickie Lee Jones, instead!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:53 pm | #
"unlike eine, who is an idiot, and worried about a dildo."
I don't think I've ever been worried about a dildo
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:54 pm | #
You're right.
I should know better.
Couldn't help myself.
Not entirely sure what that means, but I sure hope you're still thinking of coming to Portland so I can buy you a drink.
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:54 pm | #
However, he does not take himself all that seriously that you can't tell him to fuck off.
Indeed. Both Zapette and I told him to fuck off after him and E bought us a fancy dinner. And he loved it!!
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 9:54 pm | #
I think protest is going to be necessary to keep Obama honest.
Gomez
Gromit, I should have said "pediatricians." That's what I meant, but I am still too pissed about the state of affairs to type it all out.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 9:55 pm | #
But it all starts with DNA.
er, no, it "all" doesn't.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 9:56 pm | #
I think protest is going to be necessary to keep Obama honest.
Gomez
well, nothing we can do will make or keep McCain't honest. What a shit.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 9:56 pm | #
Uncle Blodge: I don't think I've ever been worried about a dildo
Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:56 pm | #
I can't tag worth a fuck, tonight.
Uncle Blodge: I don't think I've ever been worried about a dildo
There's nothing like the drama that ensues when girlfriend's college-aged daughter comes in and finds a clean dildo in the dishwasher. Trust me.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 9:57 pm | #
We still don't really know those anthrax attacks didn't originate from somewhere in the Islamic world.
eel |
08.02.08 - 9:57 pm | #
Indeed. Both Zapette and I told him to fuck off after him and E bought us a fancy dinner. And he loved it!!
One of my favorite things is when ProfWombat calls me a fucknozzle.
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 9:58 pm | #
We still don't really know those anthrax attacks didn't originate from somewhere in the Islamic world.
Who's "we"? You and your moron friends? Or...
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 9:58 pm | #
NTodd's been a great friend to me. I met him in 2005, and he's always been wonderful.
And we have had our disagreements. Several, in fact. But he's never called me a name or told me I'm stupid. He's always been kind and respectful. Not too sound too Summer's Evey, but he's never been a douche to me.
VIVA, Le NTodd!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 9:58 pm | #
I am amazed at the republican ability to find the lowest, scummiest piece of white trash available to run for office. McCain is a bigger coward than Bush, and a bigger moron than Romney, and a lamer old shit than Thompson, and more despicable than Giuliani. It's really disgusting.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 9:58 pm | #
hi honeybear...
i see that i missed you earlier.
fokowi |
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08.02.08 - 9:58 pm | #
NTodd don't know about Portland.
My boss' job rescue plan is for me to move over to the NRA tax area.
I can't think of anything more fucking boring.
I'll make up my mind on Monday.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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08.02.08 - 9:58 pm | #
bo | 08.02.08 - 9:52 pm | #
Makes me think doctors will demand national health care fairly soon, since no one will be able to pay for their services unless it happens.
mer |
08.02.08 - 9:59 pm | #
Hey ladies!
Just thought you'd like to know that men are better at making music than you are, because they have more testosterone, which means they make lots and lots of sperm, which is why you tend to sit so close to the front row when you attend classical concerts, ya goddamn whores.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint |
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08.02.08 - 9:59 pm | #
It's those freaky armadillos I'se afraid of.
jc in ky |
08.02.08 - 9:59 pm | #
"There's nothing like the drama that ensues when girlfriend's college-aged daughter comes in and finds a clean dildo in the dishwasher. Trust me."
ok...
I'm sure that was interesting.
ex gf told me her son bought the explication that her vibrator was a muscle massager.
at least she hopes he did
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 9:59 pm | #
Gary Glitter to be released from Vietnamese prison later this month, says he feels like a kid again
k&y, reggin please! |
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08.02.08 - 9:59 pm | #
California, now reaping what Howard Jarvis sowed all these many years ago.
Do you realize how old that makes me feel, understanding your reference?
Thanks, Chris. Thanks, a lot.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 9:59 pm | #
Shit...Portland's coming up soon, isn't it?
Sorry, can't make it.
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 9:59 pm | #
I don't think I've ever been worried about a dildo - Uncle Blodge
The ones in the White House for the last eight years disturb me greatly, as does having an asshat for Governor.
bo |
08.02.08 - 10:00 pm | #
Le Jackel, keep on groving my friend. You are spot on.
Ronjazz, It's clear that Simels is giving you your lines. Well you are a sock puppet. But I think you should ask him for better lines. He has been giving the same lines for, like forever.
Uncle, I think you are not thinking clearly. Didn't you hear NTodd's reply to you. Please answer the young man's question.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 10:03 pm | #
NYT:
WASHINGTON — Until the anthrax attacks of 2001, Bruce E. Ivins was one of just a few dozen American bioterrorism researchers working with the most lethal biological pathogens, almost all at high-security military laboratories.
Today, there are hundreds of such researchers in scores of laboratories at universities and other institutions around the United States, preparing for the next bioattack.
But the revelation that F.B.I. investigators believe that the anthrax attacks were carried out by Dr. Ivins, an Army biodefense scientist who committed suicide last week after he learned that he was about to be indicted for murder, has already re-ignited a debate: Has the unprecedented boom in biodefense research made the country less secure by multiplying the places and people with access to dangerous germs?
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 10:03 pm | #
We still don't really know those anthrax attacks didn't originate from somewhere in the Islamic world.
Except for the crude death threats written by someone who assumed that Arabs can't spell or speak in complete sentences, and the fact that the letters targeted "liberals," who are supposedly on the side of Islamofascism, and the fact that the anthrax was a domestic strain, you're might be right...except that there's no evidence at all for your nonsense.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint |
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08.02.08 - 10:03 pm | #
Gary Glitter to be released from Vietnamese prison later this month, says he feels like a kid again
Tell your boss to fuck off!
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 10:04 pm | #
"There's nothing like the drama that ensues when girlfriend's college-aged daughter comes in and finds a clean dildo in the dishwasher. Trust me."
Are we talking about Steely Dan again?
Deacon Blues |
08.02.08 - 10:04 pm | #
The trolls have been rather obsessed with accusing people of being Simels's sock puppets of late. Boring.
Wonder what Janet is up to tonight?
Florida |
08.02.08 - 10:04 pm | #
Has the unprecedented boom in biodefense research made the country less secure by multiplying the places and people with access to dangerous germs?
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 10:03 pm | #
Gee, that's a tough one. Gonna have to put on my thinking cap.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint |
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08.02.08 - 10:04 pm | #
Happy to be of service, Vicki!
Some like minded Libertarian morons (Ah, but I repeat myself) somehow got a ballot initiative on the state ballot to repeal the state income tax here in Massachusetts.
And where's the Invisible Hand of the Free Market when you libertarian assholes are snowed in for a week because there's no money anywhere to plow the sodding roads after a blizzard?
Why, the Invisible Hand is giving you the finger for being such a fucking schmuck!
NTodd is wrong.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
08.02.08 - 10:05 pm | #
"My boss' job rescue plan is for me to move over to the NRA tax area.
I can't think of anything more fucking boring.
I'll make up my mind on Monday."
--HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
Wouldn't you consider it? At least it give you time to start looking for another job, and still be being paid. I wish you well, whatever.
mer |
08.02.08 - 10:05 pm | #
And a bastard.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 10:06 pm | #
Anonymous moron is right! Arabs went through all the trouble of obtaining US Army weaponized anthrax and then sent it by *mail* (note to terrorists: this is a really great technique if you want to endanger non-targets, fail altogether as the post office loses or mismails your stuff, or get caught. Go team!) because that was the fastest and most convenient way to spread fear!
k&y, reggin please! |
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08.02.08 - 10:06 pm | #
Uncle, I think you are not thinking clearly. Didn't you hear NTodd's reply to you. Please answer the young man's question.
eine Heidelberre | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 10:03 pm | #
Thanks for proving my point, asswipe. You are an idiot. Simels is a gentleman compared to me, and I need no help to deliver the truth about a fuckwitted wingnut moron like you, sockpuppet butler. Your shit is old, we've seen it before in several guises, and it sucks now as it sucked then, but that's to be expected from someone with a room-temperature IQ like yours. You can't tell a real Atriot from your own fevered imaginings because you don't have the brains dog gave a walnut.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:07 pm | #
NTodd; Zap is what's wrong with America. And the entire world.
I have often thought this. I will hang this over I-40 on a bedsheet, tomorrow. And I won't pay taxes on it, either.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 10:07 pm | #
NTodd is wrong.
And a bastard.
Like I've never heard any of this before.
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 10:07 pm | #
mer you're a sweetie too.
Alas, things should be winding up pretty soon and I do have to make up my mind.
I might just do that though.
It will give me a few months to look somewhere else.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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08.02.08 - 10:07 pm | #
Zap is what's wrong with America. And the entire world.
That's deep.
/takes sip of cocktail
Fuck yeah! Hoyt Axton just came on!
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 10:07 pm | #
Ovulatory cycle effects on tip earnings by lap-dancers: Economic evidence for human estrus?
Phila, Pizen Sarpint |
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08.02.08 - 10:09 pm | #
Er, until we can pull human beings out of thin air it does indeed.
hmmmmmm
Certainly the broad outlines of what humans can do is determined by limits placed on them by their biology (people can't fly). What they actually do, however, is a different story (people build airplanes, despite the absence of an airplane building gene).
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 10:09 pm | #
"Fleshy Pete" I think was her moniker for it.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Not a bad band name for a Steely Dan tribute band ... Pretzel Logic were playing last night at the local.
Deacon Blues |
08.02.08 - 10:09 pm | #
Is Eine Heidelbeere new to English?
k&y, reggin please! |
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08.02.08 - 10:09 pm | #
I have often thought this. I will hang this over I-40 on a bedsheet, tomorrow. And I won't pay taxes on it, either.
For some reason, I was instantly reminded of the episode of The Simpsons when GHW Bush moves in across the street and hangs that banner that says "Two Bad Neighbors".
Then again, I don't do much but watch The Simpsons, so there's that...
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 10:10 pm | #
"Like I've never heard any of this before."
Ok well, you're also a chickenshit cocksucker.
someone claims you asked me a question I think - do you remember what it was?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 10:10 pm | #
We still don't know if the Lindbergh baby was abducted by aliens.
We still don't know if Sasquatch set fire to the Reichstag.
We still don't know if the Loch Ness Monster didn't have a rifle in the storm drain under Dealey Plaza.
[I could go on like this all night.]
Uncle Smokes |
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08.02.08 - 10:10 pm | #
The cut in MediCal will predictably result in people being sicker and needing more institutionalization, stress out the free-care pool and, in general, probably cost the system a fair amount of money. In addition, of course, to being reprehensible.
ProfWombat |
08.02.08 - 10:11 pm | #
Deacon Blues: Not a bad band name for a Steely Dan tribute band ... Pretzel Logic were playing last night at the local.
I got to see The Dan... summer of 2003, right after I left the Big Bad Wolf.
I saw 'em in Columbus, OH. July or August, I reckon.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 10:11 pm | #
[I could go on like this all night.]
I suggest you do!
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 10:11 pm | #
I'm going to bed and read now. You're all wrong, you don't know what to eat or when, you can't cook and none of you know what kind of a career will get you lifelong happiness and cute companions.
And, you're insufficiently concerned about Satchmo TBogg.
Then who was actually responsible for the anthrax attacks?
Ultimately, I have little doubt it was anyone other than Richard B. Cheney.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 10:15 pm | #
Oh Simelsly, I hit a nerve. You are coming undone. I hope that you are not drinking. You know what thoughts enter your head when you drink too much.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 10:15 pm | #
We still don't know if the Loch Ness Monster didn't have a rifle in the storm drain under Dealey Plaza.
Nor do we know if Elvis Presley fired the missile that hit the Pentagon.
montag |
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08.02.08 - 10:15 pm | #
Then who was actually responsible for the anthrax attacks?
In the middle of John McCain's dopey Britney & Paris attack ad, the announcer gravely asks of Barack Obama: "Is He Ready to Lead?" An equally good question is whether McCain is ready to lead. For a man who will turn 72 this month, he's a surprisingly immature politician—erratic, impulsive and subject to peer pressure from the last knucklehead who offers him advice. The youthful insouciance that for many years has helped McCain charm reporters like me is now channeled into an ad that one GOP strategist labeled "juvenile," another termed "childish" and McCain's own mother called "stupid." The Obama campaign's new mantra is that McCain is "an honorable man running a dishonorable campaign." Lame is more like it. And out of sync with the real guy".
So true, but I disagree that last sentence it's "out of sync with the real guy - this is the real "straight talker"!
John McCain hasn't been a "maverick" since he was trying to woo Dems and Independents in 2000!
This is the true John McCain.
and Alter says this:
That's because McCain is patently insincere when his heart's not in it, like a little boy who eats his peas when his parents tell him to but remains transparently unhappy about the experience. It's not clear how committed McCain himself is to this latest assault on Obama. Does he genuinely believe that Obama is an out-of-control egomaniac who thinks he's Moses? McCain no doubt comforts himself that the ad making that argument—an argument that is beneath a major-party candidate for president—was not part of a big media buy but just chum thrown to the media piranhas via the Drudge Report.
He'll do anything - say anything to get elected, Jon!
portia |
08.02.08 - 10:16 pm | #
GWPDA: I'm going to bed and read now. You're all wrong, you don't know what to eat or when, you can't cook and none of you know what kind of a career will get you lifelong happiness and cute companions.
And, you're insufficiently concerned about Satchmo TBogg.
It's all painfully true, but believe me when I say I LOVE you!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 10:16 pm | #
trippy
neighbor just stopped by to say "keep the kitties inside"...they saw two large Coyotes this am on my corner (basically in my front yard). I dont exactly live in the country!
ErinPDX |
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08.02.08 - 10:17 pm | #
Then who was actually responsible for the anthrax attacks?
eel | 08.02.08 - 10:14 pm | #
I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say that it was an American with access to weaponized anthrax from a domestic lab, and a fairly solid grasp of American politics and media.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint |
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08.02.08 - 10:17 pm | #
Then who was actually responsible for the anthrax attacks?
It has been pretty much understood for years now that whoever mailed the anthrax was almost certainly an American right-wing extremist who hated the media, and had access to Army bioweapons, and that the real effect of the attacks was to clear away rational thought for the rape of Iraq (which was quite brainlessly blamed by the respectable sources that are so quick to lecture about conspiracy throry). From a TV justice perspective the question has no answer. You know what would bring us closer to an answer would be a new approach to government transparency in the investigation of this administration.
Phila: hard to credit a foreigner with the impulse to send anthrax to, of all places, the National Enquirer building.
A foreign terrorist likely wouldn't have chosen, say, Oklahoma City either...
ProfWombat |
08.02.08 - 10:18 pm | #
I suggest you do!
Zap Rowsdower
I to go with the "storm drain" theory for Dealey Plaza, because...well...we would know if the Loch Ness Monster was on the grassy knoll.
Uncle Smokes |
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08.02.08 - 10:18 pm | #
ErinPDX: neighbor just stopped by to say "keep the kitties inside"...they saw two large Coyotes this am on my corner (basically in my front yard). I dont exactly live in the country!
Me, neither, but I've seen one red fox, raccoons and multitudes of possums in my neighborhood.
I almost hit a possum speedbump on the Vino, just lastnight.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 10:19 pm | #
k&y, no, I am not new to english. It's only that with my learning German is is really screwing my english up, especially spelling. Like I find myself switching t's and d's when they appear at the end of a work. Seriously, learning german is screwing me up.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 10:19 pm | #
David Broder interviewing Washington Post columnist George Will on Cspan2.
jk |
08.02.08 - 10:19 pm | #
Not entirely sure what that means, but I sure hope you're still thinking of coming to Portland so I can buy you a drink.
Well, you can buy me a drink in September when I come over to sail in Malletts Bay, you plastiform prosthetic penis waving gnat raping hose head.
sidhra صي ذ& |
08.02.08 - 10:19 pm | #
neighbor just stopped by to say "keep the kitties inside"...they saw two large Coyotes this am on my corner (basically in my front yard).
Deacon Blues: I weep for the electrons forced into service of this....
1st of the Day! THANK YOU!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 10:22 pm | #
I'm pretty sure simels is at some watering hole on the upper west side and not loitering here like I am.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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08.02.08 - 10:22 pm | #
It's those freaky armadillos I'se afraid of.
jc in ky
arm yourself, or flee. One lies in the middle of Rt. 22 in Clarksburg TN, circa 50 miles south of the TN/KY border.
That one is of course dead. But they're on the march. Or waddle, or whatever they do.
Xan |
08.02.08 - 10:23 pm | #
Well, some of the folks here are celebrities and others are not.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 10:23 pm | #
Seriously, learning german is screwing me up.
eine Heidelberre | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 10:19 pm | #
as long as you know that you're screwed up. Too bad you're too much the coward to do anything about it.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:24 pm | #
George Will says when he takes his dog for a walk, when he drives to work, when he eats his lunch, he listens to an audiobook and tries to replenish lost intellectual capital.
jk |
08.02.08 - 10:24 pm | #
Wait, we've got them in the same room?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
08.02.08 - 10:24 pm | #
Well, some of the folks here are celebrities and others are not.
The country had roughly 56,300 new HIV infections in 2006 — about a 40 percent increase from the 40,000 annual estimate used for the past dozen years. The new figure is due to a better blood test and new statistical methods, and not a worsening of the epidemic, officials said.
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Oh, waidda minnut. More Purity Ball ammunition, silly me.
bo |
08.02.08 - 10:24 pm | #
Well, some of the folks here are celebrities and others are not.
I'm just a bartender.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 10:25 pm | #
George Will says when he takes his dog for a walk, when he drives to work, when he eats his lunch, he listens to an audiobook and tries to replenish lost intellectual capital.
Were that true, we would not have seen him for most of the last two decades.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 10:25 pm | #
Well, some of the folks here are celebrities and others are not.
Le Jackel
I thought "celebrity" was the new "moonbat" or is McCain just out of touch?
George Johnston |
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08.02.08 - 10:25 pm | #
he listens to an audiobook and tries to replenish lost intellectual capital.
jk | 08.02.08 - 10:24 pm | #
Not working. Like eine, an empty head with no "in" box.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:25 pm | #
Well, some of the folks here are celebrities and others are not.
Well, you can buy me a drink in September when I come over to sail in Malletts Bay, you plastiform prosthetic penis waving gnat raping hose head.
I bet you say that to all the able-bodied seamen...
NTodd, Counterproductive |
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08.02.08 - 10:27 pm | #
Hecate!
Happy August!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 10:27 pm | #
George Will... listens to an audiobook and tries to replenish lost intellectual capital.
How does he explain his fascination with men swinging bats?
George Johnston |
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08.02.08 - 10:27 pm | #
George Will ... tries to replenish lost intellectual capital.
Wow...just saw that Corsi is claiming Obama supports post-birth abortion.
Seems to me you need to tell plausible lies if you want to affect people who aren't already in the sewer with you.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint |
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08.02.08 - 10:28 pm | #
George Will says Obama is the Fred Astaire of politics, you can't take your eyes off him, he's a master of motion, but like Fred Astaire you wouldn't want his hands on a nuclear weapon.
jk |
08.02.08 - 10:28 pm | #
The graph does not say that adopted children necessarily have low income. On the contrary, some have high and some have low income and the same is true of biological children. What the graph says is that higher parental income predicts higher child income but only for biological children and not for adoptees.
What do parents transmit to their biological children but not to their adopted children? Genes. When we observe, as we do, that low-income parents tend to have low-income children and high-income parents tend to have high-income children we should not bemoan the inequities of nurture but rather the inequities of nature.
hmmmmmm |
08.02.08 - 10:28 pm | #
I bet you say that to all the able-bodied seamen...
Flipping through the cable TV while dinner is cooking, I stumble across David Broder asking George Will about Barack Obama.
I believe this is one of Atrios's "Please kill me" moments.
BlueinColorado |
08.02.08 - 10:29 pm | #
jk | 08.02.08 - 10:28 pm | #
Really? Fred Astaire can be trusted with a nuclear weapon. McCain, never.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:29 pm | #
We were pretty much a mess when we started, which had to've been around 2004, and then we gradually got better.
k&y, reggin please! |
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08.02.08 - 10:29 pm | #
but like Fred Astaire you wouldn't want his hands on a nuclear weapon.
jk
I would take Fred Astaire with "the football" over Chimpy any day.
George Johnston |
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08.02.08 - 10:30 pm | #
Well, they fall into the other category don't they.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 10:30 pm | #
When we observe, as we do, that low-income parents tend to have low-income children and high-income parents tend to have high-income children we should not bemoan the inequities of nurture but rather the inequities of nature.
hmmmmmm | 08.02.08 - 10:28 pm | #
Wow, bullshit is deep here.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:30 pm | #
Wow, bullshit is deep here.
ronjazz
sky blue, grass green, water wet....
Deacon Blues |
08.02.08 - 10:31 pm | #
So more new infections of HIV is another victory for 'abstinence-only sex education'.
It's worth remembering that they're killing actual human beings with that crap.
ProfW--in that vein, have you ever heard of Stephen Bezruchka? You'd find him on the same wavelength:
I would take Fred Astaire with "the football" over Chimpy any day.
George Johnston | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 10:30 pm | #
obama as well. Give me a smart, sane person any day. That excludes all republicans, fucking sociopathic whackjobs that they are.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:32 pm | #
income =/= nature
a strongly divided society is a weak society
You, Terry C and a few others have the power to make it all but vanish. But you won't.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 10:32 pm | #
Look, they can't beat Obama, so they are attempting to destroy him.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 10:32 pm | #
So Will doesn't want an upbeat optimist like Obama with the launch codes but wants John "Don't jangle those keys" McCain to have the nuclear button?
George Johnston |
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08.02.08 - 10:32 pm | #
but like Fred Astaire you wouldn't want his hands on a nuclear weapon.
Ginger Rogers, on the other hand, could handle one backwards and in high heels.
Upsidasium |
08.02.08 - 10:32 pm | #
Mrs Blues insists I eat pasta. l8r!
Deacon Blues |
08.02.08 - 10:32 pm | #
Wow, bullshit is deep here.
Yes. Yes, it is.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 10:32 pm | #
I think most of these questions are both/and rather than either/or, and I don't think they're adolescent or trivial. The institutional policies we pursue as a culture are pretty dependent on trending points of view.
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Sparkle Plenty |
08.02.08 - 10:33 pm | #
George Will says Obama is the Fred Astaire of politics, you can't take your eyes off him, he's a master of motion, but like Fred Astaire you wouldn't want his hands on a nuclear weapon.
jk
And she wouldn't have slanties, either.
Upsidasium |
08.02.08 - 10:33 pm | #
You, Terry C and a few others have the power to make it all but vanish. But you won't.
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 10:32 pm | #
You're wrong if you think that these assholes will leave of their own volition. But tell us about your scooter.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:33 pm | #
just saw the dana millbank "when he said 'the Post writers are smart like rocks" and we wrote an article in which we accurately quoted him as saying 'the Post writers are smart' we were living up to our high levels of journalism."
rootless-e |
08.02.08 - 10:35 pm | #
the inequities of nature.
We should accept getting septicemia from minor wounds, while we're at it.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint |
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08.02.08 - 10:35 pm | #
Schizo, is that a dog breed? I think it's a dog breed.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 10:36 pm | #
The new local news hottie is, er, hot.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 10:36 pm | #
George Will says Obama is the Fred Astaire of politics,
They do have a good sense of rhythm, no?
rootless-e |
08.02.08 - 10:36 pm | #
Fred Astaire you wouldn't want his hands on a nuclear weapon.
jk
No kidding. Fucker probably would've launched a first strike on Gene Kelley.
Jesus. When your political exigencies oblige you to demonize Fred Astaire, you're really up shit creek.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint |
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08.02.08 - 10:37 pm | #
Ewwwww....someone just drove by a neighbor's house, rolled down his window, and started blasting "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy".
We still don't know if the deep bullshit was posted by Milton Friedman's and Ayn Rand's low-income love child.
Uncle Smokes |
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08.02.08 - 10:37 pm | #
Look, they can't beat Obama, so they are attempting to destroy him.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Well, that's one way to beat him. There's been a revolting parade of YAF-grad types on tv the past few days.
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Sparkle Plenty |
08.02.08 - 10:38 pm | #
hmmm: your cite takes a long, long leap, well in advance of the available facts. Among obvious flaws in the study is that when white folk adopt Korean children, there are differences in how those kids are accepted. The conclusion, that gene transmission is the only difference between biological and adopted kids, is absurd on its face. (I speak here as the parent of both biological and adopted children.) The graph demonstrates that non-adoptees in general earn more than adoptees, and could as easily be interpreted as demonstrating that adoptees--for a host of reasons, many of which have nothing to do with genetics--are at a disadvantage.
Then, how do you get policy out of it? You don't, for the reason the paper itself cites, that, even if you accept the conclusions at face value, there's enough variability in both cohorts such that policy must be made in order to offer equality of educational and professional opportunity to all, regardless of status.
Genes are no more the whole story than the New Socialist Man after the Revolution finally came would have been.
ProfWombat |
08.02.08 - 10:38 pm | #
Dear Dudes,
I appreciate all you have done for me. And the last upgrade was bitching. But I am curious whether the upper back stiffness is an artifact or an unforeseen problem. Because otherwise I'm going to need a hell of a lot of more opiates if it is the latter.
Sincerely,
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 10:38 pm | #
Did he go on to name who the Ginger Rogers is?
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 10:38 pm | #
{{{{Group Hug}}}}
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 10:38 pm | #
So what will happen if Cindy McCain thinks the briefcase carrying the "button" has prescription pain killers instead?
George Johnston |
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08.02.08 - 10:38 pm | #
John McCain has been a fuck up his whole privileged life.
cosmic tumbler |
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08.02.08 - 10:39 pm | #
Oh Simelsly, send Ronjazz to the bench. Bring in Terry C., or Billy B., or even Stunt Woman. Ronjazz needs air.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 10:39 pm | #
Genes are no more the whole story than the New Socialist Man after the Revolution finally came would have been.
ProfWombat | 08.02.08 - 10:38 pm | #
In other words, the bullshit is deep.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:39 pm | #
McCain crashed 5 jets - how many nuclear missiles will he be allowed to crash?
George Johnston |
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08.02.08 - 10:40 pm | #
The graph demonstrates that non-adoptees in general earn more than adoptees, and could as easily be interpreted as demonstrating that adoptees--for a host of reasons, many of which have nothing to do with genetics--are at a disadvantage.
Such as poor maternal health, no prenatal care, poor prenatal nutrition, several months prior to placement in less than optimal conditions . . . .
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
08.02.08 - 10:40 pm | #
Most of the injuries McCain received in Nam (broken arms) were caused by the ejection from the plane. Once the North Vietnamese realize who his father was, he got protection.
cosmic tumbler |
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08.02.08 - 10:40 pm | #
A lot of shit just happens randomly. No reason at all.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 10:41 pm | #
McCain crashed 5 jets - how many nuclear missiles will he be allowed to crash?
George Johnston
Just one, but he gets to wave his cowboy hat and yell Aaaaaahooooo! on the way down.
Upsidasium |
08.02.08 - 10:42 pm | #
McCain crashed 5 jets - how many nuclear missiles will he be allowed to crash?
George Johnston | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 10:40 pm | #
Well, he's rather good at crashing, which all-in-all is a good thing.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 10:42 pm | #
Once the North Vietnamese realize who his father was, he got protection.
cosmic tumbler | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 10:40 pm | #
and hookers and blow, from all reports. "songbird" is his nickname, given to him by his fellow POWs. He's an affirmative action, government-coddled, idiotic piece of shit.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:42 pm | #
A lot of shit just happens randomly. No reason at all.
Moe Szyslak
That's how I got here.
cosmic tumbler |
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08.02.08 - 10:42 pm | #
Evening, bats.
Opinion: Is this the best McCain can do?
By Beth Reinhard | The Miami Herald
You know we've officially entered the silly season of the presidential campaign
A lot of shit just happens randomly. No reason at all.
That's what the Masons and AIPAC want you to think...
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 10:43 pm | #
montag: thanks for the cite; I didn't know him. Sounds like an interesting, thoughtful man. I'd certainly agree that our sense of community, and what used to, quaintly, be called the social contract, have been riven seven ways from Sunday, and that might be worth attacking with social policy rather than SSRIs.
Though I'd put it that, well before everyone was depressed or had PTSD, there were an awful lot of folks doing a lot of silent drinking in VFW posts, too.
ProfWombat |
08.02.08 - 10:43 pm | #
(Eine, those are actually separate people without a hierarchy. In fact the people you're attacking are all regulars.)
k&y, reggin please! |
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08.02.08 - 10:43 pm | #
Best three-chord band ever: Social Distortion, no?
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 10:44 pm | #
A lot of shit just happens randomly. No reason at all.
Moe Szyslak
That's what the Masons and AIPAC want you to think...
Zap Rowsdower
Excellent...the Trilateral Commission's plan continues to work...but I've said to much already.
Uncle Smokes |
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08.02.08 - 10:44 pm | #
George Will on Cspan2 says we haven't had a white, male Secretary of State for over 12 years.
jk |
08.02.08 - 10:44 pm | #
ronjazz; You're wrong if you think that these assholes will leave of their own volition. But tell us about your scooter.
No. You know that if you take one jab at 'em, and ignore from that point on, they get tired, and go fishin' in other ponds. Don't you?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 10:44 pm | #
When it comes to genes I prefer 501 button fly.
Shared Humanity |
08.02.08 - 10:44 pm | #
ron: well, yeah...
Hecate: didn't even get into the gender issues in adoptees. Nor, for that matter, the various biological mechanisms behind gene expression...
ProfWombat |
08.02.08 - 10:45 pm | #
Best three-chord band ever: Social Distortion, no?
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 10:44 pm | #
Don't know them. Anybody know Brave Combo? Just did a gig with them tonight. Nice folks, fun band.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:45 pm | #
George Will on Cspan2 says we haven't had a white, male Secretary of State for over 12 years.
jk
Oh Simelsly, send Ronjazz to the bench. Bring in Terry C., or Billy B., or even Stunt Woman. Ronjazz needs air
what, Simels is really all of these characters? does he even really own a beret-like hat that’s not a beret?
buttler's an ass |
08.02.08 - 10:46 pm | #
McCain doesn't speak for the McCain campaign.
Your own spokesman is telling the public that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And Obama has to be careful? Dude, that sinks the elevator pitch before the fucking doors have even closed.
Just makin' a joke. I like your explication.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:46 pm | #
George Will on Cspan2 says we haven't had a white, male Secretary of State for over 12 years.
jk
So is he proposing a quota system for white males?
George Johnston |
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08.02.08 - 10:46 pm | #
George Will on Cspan2 says we haven't had a white, male Secretary of State for over 12 years.
jk
The shame i say, the shame!
cosmic tumbler |
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08.02.08 - 10:46 pm | #
...or The Ramones? I've gotta believe that they used more than three chords.
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 10:47 pm | #
As Ivins' name emerged, so did a portrait of a conflicted, troubled man. His friends knew him as the man who played the keyboard at church.
I wonder if he also had books by Savage, Hannity and Limbaugh
AP mech |
08.02.08 - 10:47 pm | #
ron: no sweat, buddy; with you all the way.
ProfWombat |
08.02.08 - 10:47 pm | #
George Will on Cspan2 says we haven't had a white, male Secretary of State for over 12 years.
Yeah.
The people that were pulling their strings were though.
George Will on Cspan2 says we haven't had a white, male Secretary of State for over 12 years.
jk
The alternate joke would be: "It's our turn now!"
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08.02.08 - 10:47 pm | #
George Will on Cspan2 says we haven't had a white, male Secretary of State for over 12 years.
jk
Well, given the piss-poor job Condiliar's done, I can understand his concern. Maybe we should explain to him that republicans can't govern.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:48 pm | #
Excellent...the Trilateral Commission's plan continues to work...but I've said to much already.
/starts to whistle Stonecutter's song
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 10:48 pm | #
When it comes to genes I prefer 501 button fly.
Those are OK till you stand in them too close to a campfire.
George Will says John McCain would be 72 when he takes the oath and that is actuarially ominous.
jk |
08.02.08 - 10:49 pm | #
White dudes did it for 222 years, and they're complaining after just 12 years out?
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 10:49 pm | #
Wouldn't rain in Denver prove he's not the one?
And ironic.
A. Morphous, McJerked around |
08.02.08 - 10:50 pm | #
if it ain't nature, it's nurture
Or random shit. Rainstorms. Political turmoil. Dogs barking. All sorts of shit.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 10:51 pm | #
Oh no K&Y, I am not attacking, I'm playing. And I do believe that Ronjazz is played out, he needs air. He needs to sit on the bench for awhile. I am sure that any one of the others I suggested could sub for him.
But I will pose a serious question to you two. I think I am talking to K so please check with Y, do you guys think Simels has sock puppets? How many? I say more that 40.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 10:51 pm | #
I think Obama can overcome the attacks if we help him counteract them. He does have a rapid response team.
Can't believe what I'm hearing, though.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 10:51 pm | #
George Will on Cspan2 says we haven't had a white, male Secretary of State for over 12 years.
Yeah.
The people that were pulling their strings were though.
FOAD George.
I love you.
And, twelve years? We've NEVER had a woman or an African American president or vice president, George. So get back to me when we've gone 200+ years and we'll talk.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
08.02.08 - 10:52 pm | #
Oh for God's sake. And this had been the consptheor debunk by shame thread.
I see the asian nazis are back.
cosmic tumbler |
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08.02.08 - 10:52 pm | #
Oh for God's sake. And this had been the consptheor debunk by shame thread.
ITT owned The Ramones. See? I can tie it all together.
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 10:52 pm | #
Can't believe what I'm hearing, though.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 08.02.08 - 10:51 pm | #
Don't get distracted by this. It's important to determine the Simels sockpuppet population. Otherwise, some poor stupid fuck in wingtard-land is going to go even crazier.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:53 pm | #
for eight years we've had a lizard as vice-president.
rootless-e |
08.02.08 - 10:53 pm | #
Jesus. The "study" or rather blog post old hmmm links to is from November 2004. Posted by Alex Tabarrok on November 29, 2004 at 07:30 AM in Economics, Science | Permalink
It's not just claptrap, it's stale claptrap.
sidhra صي ذ& |
08.02.08 - 10:53 pm | #
5 minutes is an eternity.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 10:53 pm | #
And, twelve years? We've NEVER had a woman or an African American president or vice president, George. So get back to me when we've gone 200+ years and we'll talk.
Hecate
Nice. Excellent.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 10:53 pm | #
So if we can't afford to buy Chinese goods anymore because transportation costs are skyrocketing will they dump our T-Bills?
George Johnston |
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08.02.08 - 10:54 pm | #
Mt grandfather was perfectly healthy at 72 and not at 75.
A. Morphous, McJerked around |
08.02.08 - 10:54 pm | #
...or The Ramones? I've gotta believe that they used more than three chords.
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 10:47 pm | #
Back from dinner. Anything happen while I was gone?
Ali, spiritual advisor |
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08.02.08 - 10:54 pm | #
And, twelve years? We've NEVER had a woman or an African American president or vice president, George. So get back to me when we've gone 200+ years and we'll talk.
Hecate
But...but...but look at how great we are!
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:54 pm | #
Cosmik, did the Ramones use more than three chords?
k&y, reggin please! |
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08.02.08 - 10:55 pm | #
Well, you gotta admit, during those 12 years when black people were Secretary of State, the entire country went to shit.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 10:56 pm | #
Hmmmmm: not so. A common sense view suggests that one is dealt a hand, by genetics and environment, internal and external, and then plays it as best one can. Given the view, again consistent with common sense and experience, that human destiny is multifactorial, one is obligated to lead one's own life as decently as possible, and to help others do the same. Insisting on the primacy of either nature or nurture is a fool's game, diversionary and usually self-serving.
I call myself ProfWombat in a spirit of self-mockery, though I'm going to help teach a course in law school this fall. My background is medicine (surgery) professionally, with a lifelong interest in mathematics, physics, philosophy and like that. I also read a lot, and served as co-captain of the American Olympic nose-picking team in my youth. I was awarder 9.8 for form, and 9.6 for content, enough for the Bronze...
ProfWombat |
08.02.08 - 10:56 pm | #
It's important to determine the Simels sock puppet population.
Slutty Jewish Girl?
Are there more, other than Lynryd Byrnstyn?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
08.02.08 - 10:56 pm | #
Cosmik, did the Ramones use more than three chords?
k&y, reggin please
3 per song, or the same 3 in every song?
Ali, spiritual advisor |
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08.02.08 - 10:56 pm | #
I was awarder 9.8 for form, and 9.6 for content, enough for the Bronze...
ProfWombat
That was you on my Wheaties!
baba durag |
08.02.08 - 10:57 pm | #
(Watch him not get "Cosmik")
k&y, reggin please! |
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08.02.08 - 10:58 pm | #
3 per song, or the same 3 in every song?
Ali, spiritual advisor | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 10:56 pm |
I recall a couple of songs with only two chords, and possible one with only one chord. Many of their "chords" were diads, so they might not qualify as chords at all.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:58 pm | #
George Will says he writes his column in longhand, early in the morning at his office, which is a Georgetown townhouse built in 1811.
jk |
08.02.08 - 10:58 pm | #
(Watch him not get "Cosmik")
k&y, reggin please!
Fuck you, you asian nazi.
cosmic tumbler |
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08.02.08 - 10:58 pm | #
Tremendous power, cool. We like that.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 10:58 pm | #
recall a couple of songs with only two chords, and possible one with only one chord. Many of their "chords" were diads, so they might not qualify as chords at all.
ronjazz
Neil Young's guitar solo on Cinnamon Girl is one note, over and over again. But you probably know that.
Ali, spiritual advisor |
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08.02.08 - 10:59 pm | #
Le Jackel seems to be live-blogging some sort of sporting event.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 10:59 pm | #
dave: the self-mockery referred, of course, to my title, always an object worth mocking, rather than to my ancestry...
ProfWombat |
08.02.08 - 10:59 pm | #
Well...it's getting late, and I want to make some music.
Y'all take care of your good selves, and thanks for an energetic evening.
As to the "deep bullshit" from earlier...for the record, I am adopted. I have a good income. The father who adopted me had a good income. He was the natural born child of a man with a good income. We each were able to attain gainful employment in large part by having the opportunities and security that money can buy. End of story.
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08.02.08 - 10:59 pm | #
catalexis: Your own spokesman is telling the public that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And Obama has to be careful? Dude, that sinks the elevator pitch before the fucking doors have even closed.
Fail.
Nail, meet head.
If Obama makes one negative ad, this one's it.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 11:00 pm | #
Field goal time.
Le Jackel |
08.02.08 - 11:00 pm | #
'Shotgun' (Jr Wells) had only one chord, I think...hell of a good song, anyway...
ProfWombat |
08.02.08 - 11:00 pm | #
the self-mockery referred, of course, to my title, always an object worth mocking, rather than to my ancestry...
I'm going to bed. Later, all.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.02.08 - 11:02 pm | #
George Will says the southern tip of Illinois is further south than Richmond Virginia.
jk |
08.02.08 - 11:02 pm | #
Average rainfall in Denver looks like about two inches for the total month of August. So the fundies have a lot of praying to do.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
08.02.08 - 11:02 pm | #
Cripes. A fieldgoal settles it. Not going to happen.
DWD: Em is the relative minor of G, so it doesn't count, I guess...
ProfWombat |
08.02.08 - 11:02 pm | #
And also, "Who's qualified to lead? The guy who doesn't speak for his CAMPAIGN?"
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 11:02 pm | #
Cripes. A fieldgoal settles it. Not going to happen.
The yetis got a field goal in The Mummy 3.
Snow (D-SC) |
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08.02.08 - 11:03 pm | #
I wish that I'd gotten the large container of lime-cilantro sorbet at the farmers' market instead of the small one.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
08.02.08 - 11:03 pm | #
"'Shotgun' (Jr Wells) had only one chord, I think...hell of a good song, anyway..."
coconut by harry nilsson had one chord.
c7th I think
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.02.08 - 11:04 pm | #
And also, "Who's qualified to lead? The guy who doesn't speak for his CAMPAIGN?"
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
There was a discussion along these lines in the disastrously bad, watchable only while drunk, glorious first effort of the South Park people, Cannibal The Musical.
k&y, reggin please! |
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08.02.08 - 11:04 pm | #
Hecate: I wish that I'd gotten the large container of lime-cilantro sorbet at the farmers' market instead of the small one.
Sounds scary, but oddly, I have a half-chub.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 11:05 pm | #
George Will says we're about to see a new burst of misplaced confidence in the ability of government to fine tune society.
jk |
08.02.08 - 11:05 pm | #
Maybe it's not football, Zap? Do they get field goals in other sports?
I am curious now.
Ali, spiritual advisor |
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08.02.08 - 11:05 pm | #
'Shotgun' (Jr Wells) had only one chord, I think...hell of a good song, anyway...
ProfWombat | 08.02.08 - 11:00 pm | #
True enough, along with Coconut, Chain Of Fools, The Beat Goes On, Mannish Boy, and some other good songs.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 11:05 pm | #
So are the asian nazis going to educate me a little more about the Mothers?
cosmic tumbler |
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08.02.08 - 11:06 pm | #
George Will says we're about to see a new burst of misplaced confidence in the ability of government to fine tune society.
jk
George Will had no misgivings about Chimpy fine tuning Iraq society...
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08.02.08 - 11:06 pm | #
Ronjazz, Vicki wasn't talking about you. But being that you are Simels, I can see why you missed it. All of Eschaton is about the great entertainment critic. Swami, I do declare. In fact, soon Eschaton will be an entertainment, movies, etc. blog. Then Vicki will have to get on board.
eine Heidelberre |
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08.02.08 - 11:06 pm | #
Put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up.
Shared Humanity |
08.02.08 - 11:06 pm | #
George Will says we're about to see a new burst of misplaced confidence
George Will is about to see a new burst of a tax bill, and if he leaves the country, there'll be a 99% tax on his shit. And fuck him. He'll have to enjoy it.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 11:06 pm | #
Heh...we're all about the Walleye and Sunny's here.
Zap Rowsdower |
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08.02.08 - 11:07 pm | #
George Will says we're about to see a new burst of misplaced confidence in the ability of government to fine tune society.
jk
Because all of the deregulation and self-restraint that he prefers has proven to work so well.
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08.02.08 - 11:07 pm | #
DWD: Em is the relative minor of G, so it doesn't count, I guess...
ProfWombat | 08.02.08 - 11:02 pm | #
for the sake of this discussion, i think it does count as another chord. Shameful.
ronjazz |
08.02.08 - 11:07 pm | #
it seems that some of these trolls have become like Donny Brasco'd, they’re confused as to where their loyalties lie. Maybe that’s a good thing but there are at least 3 distinked ones here now who no longer just play off each other(if different persons) the obvious asshole aint one maybe, connected
interested third party |
08.02.08 - 11:07 pm | #
"paying 600 dollars a month for internet access is popular"-telecoms
jr |
08.02.08 - 11:07 pm | #
George Will is, on the other hand, about to see a new burst of well-placed howling that things have evolved to their current parlous state not through the magic of historical mechanism but because of actual malfeasance in the conduct of government, and that things can, should and damn well must be done better.
This isn't fine tuning, George, and has nothing to do with fine tuning. Your seeking subtlety here is like looking for gold in a coal mine.
ProfWombat |
08.02.08 - 11:10 pm | #
How can anyone hate well-played keyboard percussion... marimba, glockenspiel, vibes...
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.02.08 - 11:11 pm | #
So are the asian nazis going to educate me a little more about the Mothers?
The idiot bastard son
The father's a Nazi in Congress today
The mother's a hooker somewhere in LA
The idiot boy
Abandoned to perish in back of a car
Kenny will stash him away in a jar
George Will says we're about to see a new burst of misplaced confidence in the ability of government to fine tune society.
Well, Will can eat my shorts if he thinks what's needed is "fine tuning."
It's been really, truly broken for at least thirty-five years, and has been getting worse over time--and particularly over the last eight. These bozos have been out to prove to the public--right from the start--that the government is incapable of helping ordinary people (although it's done right well by the wealthy in society), starting with the events of 9/11.
The most expensive and extensive early warning system in the world was utterly thwarted by less than two dozen people equipped with Bronze Age tools--knives.
They wanted government to fail, and dramatically.
Therefore, what's required, for many years to come, are people who want government to succeed on behalf of all the people, are smart enough to do it, and are aware enough to see the wreckage for what it is and begin to clear it away and rebuild.
George Will willfully ignores the immensity of the task, because he's hoping society stays pretty much as it is, which is good for him.
montag |
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08.02.08 - 11:17 pm | #
"George Will willfully ignores the immensity of the task, because he's hoping society stays pretty much as it is, which is good for him.
montag | Homepage | 08.02.08 - 11:17 pm | # "
Some people profit from collapse, chaos, and criminal neglect of the political economy.
montanaheadcold |
08.02.08 - 11:19 pm | #
montag: yup; my point, but said much better. Tip of the hat/
ProfWombat |
08.02.08 - 11:19 pm | #
hmmmmmm | 08.02.08-10:37 pm | #
Wow, bullshit is deep here.
Don't hate."
OK, I'll just killfile your concerntroll ass.
Whaddya think about that, Slappy?
Oh, wait. Never mind. You're killfiled. I won't see any reply.