I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
yo
surely I'm not first
indeed I was not
sorry virgo
I'm handling it
Where's the stinkin' youtube video, man?!
It's only 9:15, barely late evening.
Would it kill Atrios to refill the snack bowl?
Conason, via Digby:
Why otherwise would the campaign press corps have demanded the Clinton tax returns while nobody insists that McCain release the returns filed by him and his beer heiress wife, Cindy? When the Arizona Republican releases his 2007 return, as he has done today, will anyone urge him to cough up returns from previous years, as the Clintons did? It is an act of transparency that he has neglected to fulfill for the past quarter-century of his public service, without a peep from his press fans (despite the precedent of his wife's highly questionable shopping-mall investment with savings and loan crook Charles Keating).
And having raked Bill Clinton's charitable foundation for evidence of conflicts of interest, when will the press corps take another look at McCain’s "Reform Institute," the nonprofit think tank that has served as a soft-money conduit and cushy sinecure for his political advisors?
Will anyone ask McCain why he doesn't wear an American flag pin, the burning question that the ABC anchors pressed on Obama? Perhaps the former POW deserves a pass on that issue, but it is interesting to note that photos of McCain with a flag pin are very scarce -- which may simply prove that not every patriot must constantly sport Old Glory on his lapel.
It would be refreshing to place the likes of Gibson and Stephanopoulos and their peers on the witness stand for a change to explain their choices and prejudices. Why did they require Democrats to make tax-cutting pledges that are based on bad economics and worse journalism? Why should they focus on Obama's tenuous connection with a reprehensible but inconsequential figure like former Weatherman Bill Ayers, when they have never mentioned the White House coddling of Cuban exile terrorists? Why do they obsess over the "bitter" gaffe by Obama while passing so lightly over the confusion of Sunni and Shia groups by McCain, supposed master of foreign policy?
Details may be different but the double standard remains the same. If the coverage of this election already induces a nauseating sense of déjà vu, be warned. It will only get worse.
Would it kill Atrios to refill the snack bowl?
It's still 3/4 full. There are only seven people here.
It is so not late night.
Oh- 6:30 AM wake-up call has it's cost!
Young kids just can't hack it!
SciFi Movie. WWII Women Air Corp ferrying bomber in the Pacific, with an all woman crew, male supercargo and a MYSTERIOUS cargo.
Land on an island full of dinosaurs and Japanese soldiers.
Hijinx Ensue!
No hot woman scientist. Likely 0% boobage. Lots of eatage more than likely.
MYSTERIOUS cargo, probably an A-Bomb.
Here's one.
And, here's another one.
Gowan - Moonlight desires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E...h?
v=Elbpw3d2qEk
Featuring Jon "Yes" Anderson.
Not late here!
Snack bowel, why?
I just ate a WattaBurger with jalapenos.
Hi Sallyh!
"...Details may be different but the double standard remains the same. If the coverage of this election already induces a nauseating sense of déjà vu, be warned. It will only get worse." --Digby
--SteveLG
She's right about the media, I'm hoping/thinking the voters aren't buying it this time around.
GAHHHH
I come into
the party and get Gowan
Kim Mitchell, as apybak
http://youtube.com/watch?v=s4DYEVvuB7o
WASHINGTON — Nancy Larson’s most difficult conversation was, by far, the one with Chelsea Clinton.
“It was just heartbreaking,” said Mrs. Larson, a Democratic National Committee member from Minnesota and more to the point, a superdelegate who had initially pledged herself to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. This was last Saturday, after the former first daughter learned that Mrs. Larson would be shifting her allegiance to Senator Barack Obama.
“She is a delightful young woman who loves her mother very much,” Mrs. Larson said. “She was really pushing me. She kept asking me why I was doing this. She just kept asking, ‘Why? Why?’ ”
because your parents are craven assholes?
to Sallyh and GWPDA. And, well, everyone else.
Evening, peeps.
I'd like some vinegar and sea salt flavored chips.
Good ... evening? I haven't even had dinner yet.
She's right about the media, I'm hoping/thinking the voters aren't buying it this time around.
mer |
The quote is actually Joe Conason, but I'm inclined to agree that people have, in great numbers, started to understand that they're being lied to not only by their government, but by its media lapdogs.
McCain is in for a long, hot summer, lasting all the way into November, I believe.
I've got hot coffee, with whiskey, raw sugar, and chilis in it.
Kim Mitchell? That's just mean.
“She was really pushing me. She kept asking me why I was doing this. She just kept asking, ‘Why? Why?’ ”
Pretty scummy and desperate to have Hillary's daughter begging superdelegates.
I've got hot coffee, with whiskey, raw sugar, and chilis in it.
Doug, cholla jumper
I'd like to make you my god. Is that okay?
The third King Kong is on one of the movie channels. It hasn't really grabbed me.
Habs are winning! Barely.
JUST consider yourself lucky I didn't break out Loverboy or Glass tiger
Gowan is now the lead singer of Styx.
and is called "Lawrence"
Pretty scummy and desperate to have Hillary's daughter begging superdelegates.
puppethead
She's a grownup. She should be able to handle it, if that's her choice.
I'm listening (for the first time) to a Philly rapper called Slo-Mo.
He plays lap steel. Sorta unusual in a rapper.
Staying classy:
On his train tour Saturday, Senator Obama continued to condemn the petty distractions that keep Americans from focusing on real issues. He decried Clinton's "tactics of Washington," in which she attacks him with every possible weapon. "She's got the kitchen sink flying, the china flying. The buffet is coming at me…when we get involved in the constant distractions the petty tit for tat politics…that may be good for the television ratings, but that's not good for you."
While the candidate was denouncing the distractions, his aides were promoting them. Three veterans of the Bosnia conflict joined for a conference call to explain just how crucial this particular distraction was, and why we should ignore Senator Obama's guidance and get obsessed with this issue.
Major General Walter Stewart explained that because Clinton had fabricated on the issue of sniper fire, Clinton would not be able to perform the traditional ceremony at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier who, he averred, was undoubtedly killed by sniper fire. "She will lack the moral authority to lay the wreath on Memorial Day," he said. She would also be unable to honor the veterans remembered on the Vietnam memorial because many of them had also been killed by sniper fire. Captain Aaron Clevenstine offered a variation on this theme: "As someone who trained snipers, I take offense to the notion that she was under sniper fire." Michael Kotyk, a retired veteran of the Navy broadened the significance of Clinton's yarn: "We've had 8 years of dishonor. We need honor. If you're going to tell stories then you're not displaying honor."
http://www.slate.com/id/2189485/
Oh crap, it's tied again.
Olexicon, I saw Max Webster play approximately 1,349 times in my youth. I didn't mind so much. 
It's like comparing cumquats and bananas..
Habs are winning! Barely.
Ali, now a habs fan
I thought the scorewas 2-2.
Gowan is now the lead singer of Styx.
DeYoung has that weird light sensitivity ailment, IIRC...
I love jazz, but singers like Tony Bennett and Sinatra leave me cold. Give me Karrin Allyson or Shemekia Copeland any day.
(OK, maybe it's the gender).
Karrin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k...h?
v=kXVWtePwWyE
Shemekia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h...h?
v=hVMGAqrK514
Well, even I will admit i like "go for a soda"
She's a grownup. She should be able to handle it, if that's her choice.
SteveLG
Not talking about Chelsea. Scummy to use her to prey on the emotions of the superdelegates.
I am not a white-slave marketeer!...
It would appear that some of the Amazon reviewers are possibly more interesting than most of the books they sell over there.
{FYI/FWIW, stumbled across this while looking over the works of the folks who write for eXile.ru. The 'War Nerd' is coming out with a book in June, dontchaknow!}
I'd like to make you my god. Is that okay?
I don't know, do I have to do tricks(miracles) for this honor?
I'm happier with small miracles like this:
http://thumbsnap.com/v/7QE8Yc8E.jpg
Repodwhore: tonight's Paxcast.
3-3 now, Shaw. Goals are happening quickly here.
No to the Patio Lanterns, though.
Hey Cougarhutch, how goes it?
DeYoung has that weird light sensitivity ailment, IIRC...
If I recall correctly, he did want to rejoin the band at some point, but they turned him down.
I don't know, do I have to do tricks(miracles) for this honor?
I'm happier with small miracles like this:
http://thumbsnap.com/v/7QE8Yc8E.jpg
Doug, cholla jumper
Actually, those small "miracles" are what keeps me "clinging" to life instead of becoming "bitter."
*bows before Dougchollajumper, god of cacti*
agreed
now I gotta go take pictures at the MJHL/SJHL playoff for atrip to the RBC royal Bank Cup
Gromit, I'm partial to jazz guitar (acoustic).
Details may be different but the double standard remains the same. If the coverage of this election already induces a nauseating sense of déjà vu, be warned. It will only get worse.
SteveLG
BUT, THE RULZ FOR LIBRULZ ARE DIFFERENT!!! - MSM
The advantage of seeing how craven the press is this early? Lots of opportunities when the nets and cabloids send their 'election battlebuses' out from the confines of the studio to tell them that they're in the tank.
Scummy to use her to prey on the emotions of the superdelegates.
puppethead
Yeah, maybe... it's pretty far down on my list of Clinton campaign atrocities this year.
Nice.
G'night.
If I recall correctly, he did want to rejoin the band at some point, but they turned him down.
Wasn't there a lawsuit or something?
Michael Kotyk, a retired veteran of the Navy broadened the significance of Clinton's yarn: "We've had 8 years of dishonor. We need honor. If you're going to tell stories, then you're not displaying honor."
hadenough
She was lying for the Greater Good.
I like islands.
I hate Jazz.
NTodd, has anyone fetched you an eclair today?
Sallyh, if things were any better I'd be incarcerated.
Jazz makes me grind my teeth.
I sleep on my tummy. Hugging a down pillow.
I'm happier with small miracles like this:
http://thumbsnap.com/v/7QE8Yc8E.jpg
Plant erotica. Pushing, pushing into the fingers of the hot yellow sun. Opening, opening, opening.
Fetch me my dildo, woman!!
From wikipedia...
Two years later, in 1999, the band released its first new studio album in almost a decade: Brave New World. The album received a lukewarm reception, sold very slowly, and the single, "Everything Is Cool", failed to chart.
Once again, during work on the album, personality conflicts drove the band members apart. While Tommy Shaw and James Young's material followed a hard rock vein, Dennis DeYoung's penchant for Broadway styles infuriated his bandmates, and the dramatic differences in styles were evident on Brave New World.
Arguments over which songs to release as singles, the album's artwork, the track sequencing, and the omission of DeYoung's vocals and keyboards from many of the Shaw/JY tracks fueled the fire. The band was further hindered by a viral illness contracted by DeYoung which temporarily made his eyes sensitive to light. DeYoung asked his bandmates to delay touring.
Chuck Panozzo left the band in 1998 after revealing to his bandmates that he was gay and battling HIV. His public explanation came in 2001 at the annual Human Rights Campaign banquet.
Later that year, DeYoung was permanently replaced by Lawrence Gowan, though no official statement regarding a firing or replacement had been made. As a result of the replacement, DeYoung filed a lawsuit, charging that the remaining members of the band were using the Styx name without his consent, and he in turn was countersued by Shaw & JY for using the billing of "Dennis DeYoung, the voice of Styx" in his solo concerts. The suit was eventually settled on the grounds that DeYoung could bill himself as "performing the music of Styx" or "formerly of Styx", but not as "the voice of Styx", and Styx continued on with Shaw & JY at the helm.
Plant erotica. Pushing, pushing into the fingers of the hot yellow sun. Opening, opening, opening.
Echidne |
You're making me hot...
Gromit, I'm partial to jazz guitar (acoustic).
Sallyh
Jeff Linsky is one of my faves, along with Charlie Byrd o'course. Earl Klugh can be great, if he's not overproduced, with syrupy strings and synths. Good music to work to.
Not talking about Chelsea. Scummy to use her to prey on the emotions of the superdelegates.
puppethead
Why don't they use more cold, hard cash, like Obama does? $600K and counting....
Cosmic, I prefer tropical islands. The kind with great beaches and crystal clear water.
I'm spoiled.
Plant erotica. Pushing, pushing into the fingers of the hot yellow sun. Opening, opening, opening.
Echidne |
You're making me hot...
Duane V, Bitter Classist
April is Poetry Month. Let's all get hot.
Johnny Hates Jazz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V...h?
v=VRHLkLFJxaw
*!Caution!*
80's earworm.
You're making me hot...
Duane V, Bitter Classist
Cosmic, I prefer tropical islands. The kind with great beaches and crystal clear water.
I'm spoiled.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
That's where I am.
Jazz makes me grind my teeth.
Ali
Most jazz does the same to Dr Mrs Gromit. It can be hard to find music we both like that isn't boring as hell.
Cosmic, I hate you
Why don't they use more cold, hard cash, like Obama does? $600K and counting....
Susie from Philly | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 9:39 pm | #
He's the tool of the million plus special interests who contributed.
Gromit, is Dr. Mrs. Gromit on call tonight?
Plant erotica. Pushing, pushing into the fingers of the hot yellow sun. Opening, opening, opening
my little grass seeds are pushing up in the bald spots. nice to see them.
Funny how parallel they rise. They hit the ground at whatever angle, yet they respond to their space in the same way.
sun angle I guess.
Why don't they use more cold, hard cash, like Obama does? $600K and counting....
Susie from Philly
Because they don't have it.
That was easy.
There's jazz that doesn't make the teeth hurt. Stomach-sawing jazz, for instance.
Cosmic, I hate you
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
But, I love you, even from here.
That's where I am
fukker
olexicon, | 04.19.08 - 9:25 pm |
Fuck, olexicon...that made me SO happy! I loved Max Webster.
"She was lying for the Greater Good.
Duane V, Bitter Classist"
Classy.
Why don't they use more cold, hard cash, like Obama does?
Because we know she already has been?
I'm fascinated by the Hillary supporters who are so clearly displaying cognitive dissonance. It seems like there isn't a single thing she does wrong, ever. There's always a rationalization for it or an attack on Obama.
There's jazz that doesn't make the teeth hurt. Stomach-sawing jazz, for instance.
Echidne
It's good to have options.
A lizard just peed on my keyboard. This is not good.
There's jazz that doesn't make the teeth hurt. Stomach-sawing jazz, for instance.
Echidne | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 9:42 pm | #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z...h?
v=ZO1uMjz3n3w
I was doing some garden cleaning today. Found a drowned mouse inside the watering can. Very sad.
NTodd, has anyone fetched you an eclair today?
No, all the anti-sexist bitches have been holding out.
Now it's 4-4. I can't handle the anxiety!
"I'm inclined to agree that people have, in great numbers, started to understand that they're being lied to not only by their government, but by its media lapdogs."
You have a great more deal of faith in the American people than I do.
I think we're stupid enough to put McSame into the White House because we put Chimpy there twice. We are too stupid to learn from our mistakes.
We are a nation of dumb fucks and we will get what's coming to us. Economic, environmental and social collapse, disaster in Iraq, even another 9-11.
We asked for it. We tortured and murdered and raped.
Maybe in a warped twisted way Robertson was right...we ARE being punished by God. But we are being punished for the sins of the right, not the left.
The Repukes won't be happy until they have completely destroyed the US.
here's the one with better sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f...h?
v=fDGRMQ8xKPA
April is Poetry Month. Let's all get hot.
One of my favorites.
sun angle I guess.
I love watching timelapse video of sprouting seedlings. It make them seem like sentient beings.
Gromit, is Dr. Mrs. Gromit on call tonight?
Sallyh
Nope, she's sittin' right here reading. Were you hoping I could slip out?
A lizard just peed on my keyboard. This is not good.
Pet or wild?
Oh crap. Bruins scored again.
Gromit, nah, Monsieur will be home in ~4 hours.
I've been collecting wild flower seeds from all over this area, both by collecting them, and looking for places that will sell them to you. The idea is to increase the number of desert wildflowers that grow in my yard, for the parts of it that I'll leave wild. The rest? I'm planning some more patio space with a combo of shaded and sunny areas. There I'll be growing more traditional garden plants like roses. But in pots or in holes in the pavement. (I'm pouring my own pavers, so it's not to difficult to make a hole or to fill one in.)
A lizard just peed on my keyboard. This is not good.
Pet or wild?
Tlazolteotl
Wild. It was hanging overhead. Currently there is much commotion as my wife is running for a hairdryer.
Hey, does Steely Dan count as jazz? Because what Danny Diaz (sic) plays on "Your Gold Teeth" is from beyond.
Were you hoping I could slip out?
No flirting!!
Ali, I hate to tell you this, but I earned my grad degrees at UCLA.
Go Bruins
I still love you all, even though you hate jazz. Some of my best friends are Philistines.
Sallyh, but you didn't go to school in Boston, right?
So it's ok.
NTodd, have a fucking eclair.
Now you can't call me a sexist bitch
here's the one with better sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f...h? v=fDGRMQ8xKPA
This is neither tooth-drilling or stomach-sawing. But it fills up the upper body only. Still good.
A lizard just peed on my keyboard.
I think that's their way of being friendly.
Ali, undergrad at Boston College. Go Eagles
Hadenough has convinced me
through cold hard logic
Obama is satan
and HRC is The One.
I left a cup of wine out for her at the doorway this evening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q...h?v=qhK-
zYfFsIY
Jazz guitar? Martin Taylor for me... all else is commentary.
Here's two minutes of him putting I Got Rythym together... first the melody, then the bass line, then the chords, then all together for a few delicious moments.
For a complete song, here's Georgia On My Mind.
It seems like there isn't a single thing she does wrong, ever. There's always a rationalization for it or an attack on Obama.
puppethead
Well, the end would have justified the means, if she won...
Ah, crap. The Habs seem to be part of the conspiracy to ensure no Canadian team gets past round one.
It was about 88F in the desert early this morning, and the lizards were zipping around. They don't move much till it gets hot.
When Boosh flips the bird, it's at the press, and they enjoy it, so they keep it in teh closet so to speak.
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Well, pseudo, they can win it at home now. Trying to be positive here. 
I love watching timelapse video of sprouting seedlings. It make them seem like sentient beings.
Mr French
They are..
I'm fascinated by the Hillary supporters who are so clearly displaying cognitive dissonance. It seems like there isn't a single thing she does wrong, ever. There's always a rationalization for it or an attack on Obama.
Why can't you stick with criticizing the campaigns instead of targeting the voters?
serious. This Slo-Mo stuff is great.
http://www.heyslomo.com/
Hey, does Steely Dan count as jazz?
It's definitely the jazzier and funkier side of pop. A lot of Becker's solos are very jazz-inspired.
IMO, much of the very best modern music draws from several traditions. My favorite piano music to play is by Hal Isbitz. The style is called 'Terra Verde", and it's a mix of ragtime, tango, Gottschalk, and Chopin, if you can imagine such a thing. Gorgeous rhythms and sounds. I'll go look for a link. BRB.
"It's important not to over - correct, 'cause when you over - correct, you end up in the ditch.." - Mensa Man
Here is some jazz that will get you right in your first few chakras:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=3...feature=related
I'm fascinated by the Hillary supporters who are so clearly displaying cognitive dissonance. It seems like there isn't a single thing she does wrong, ever. There's always a rationalization for it or an attack on Obama.
Actually, that is not cognitive dissonance, although I agree with most of your post.
A new Government Accountability Office opinion released yesterday finds that the Bush administration “violated federal law last year when it restricted states’ ability to provide health insurance to children of middle-income families, and its new policy is therefore unenforceable.” Twenty-two states already provide such coverage or want to do so, and several states have filed lawsuits challenging the Bush administration’s rules.
The next president will deal with it.
When Boosh flips the bird, it's at the press, and they enjoy it, so they keep it in teh closet so to speak.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory
Makes me want to have a beer with him. And barbecue, don't forget the barbecue..Snort a few lines, maybe...
http://allintense.blogspot.com/
"Challah if ya hear me!" - Jewpac Shakur
Did I miss anything?
When Boosh flips the bird, it's at the press, and they enjoy it, so they keep it in teh closet so to speak.
Fuck that. They're all over Obama for it, and he didn't even flip it.
Fuck the press whores and their double standard.
Hecate! You have mail...
This is neither tooth-drilling or stomach-sawing. But it fills up the upper body only. Still good.
Echidne | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 9:48 pm | #
that's why there are different kinds of music. Sometimes we want to take the A-train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T...h?
v=Tjc7mu9leYw
and sometimes we want do take the mothership.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7...h?
v=7fdesO8CdC8
Manny Ramirez
"Hadenough has convinced me
through cold hard logic
Obama is satan
and HRC is The One.
rootless-e"
It was when I typed in "classy" wasn't it? I thought so.
Did I miss anything?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Martin Taylor playing They Can't Take That Away From Me.
Well, the end would have justified the means, if she won...
Duane V, Bitter Classist
I don't believe that. She lessens her character by doing this, or reveals her true nature. But if she does win she'll be a better president than any Republican. I think the reason I hate how she campaigns is because I thought more of her until I saw this. Idols with feet of clay and all that.
And for the record, I feel there are plenty of rabid Obama supporters who have the same problem of never seeing his faults.
It was when I typed in "classy" wasn't it? I thought so.
hadenough
It was because you used quotation marks. That imparts meaning.
It was when I typed in "classy" wasn't it? I thought so.
hadenough | 04.19.08 - 9:58 pm | #
I'm wondering if it was the 3 extra rounds of passover wine. A nice pinot noir. Baruch ha-shem.
And for the record, I feel there are plenty of rabid Obama supporters who have the same problem of never seeing his faults.
puppethead
I was being ironical.
My friend Christian is a jazz guitarist...
http://cdbaby.com/cd/christianpschorr
NTodd,
Thanks! That looks interesting!
Here's a link to the bit on NPR that turned me on to the music of Hal Isbitz.
http://www.npr.org/templates/sto...p?
saId=13618198
Stopped me in my tracks. What was very cool is that to get the music, you have to call or email Hal at his home in Santa Barbara, since he self-publishes. Felt like I was buying manuscripts directly from Beethoven.
This is the Amazon link for my favorite album, the only recording of Isbitz' work that I know of.
http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Garde...z/dp/
B00000DG2V
Just returned from a weekend visiting relatives in SW Pa. In that area Hillary will stomp Obama! It is a possibility that Hillary will win Pa. with at least a 20% edge.
It is a possibility that Hillary will win Pa. with at least a 20% edge.
No way.
Dude, It's Saturday night; if you just returned, you didn't spend a weekend.
Hecate--I have a tulip question. Do you remember I had that lovely volunteer last year? You advised me to dig it up and replant it. Of course, I didn't. Now, it seems to have migrated about half a foot over the winter. It's coming up under a fence plank. Can I dig it up and move it now or is it all lost???
That's nice, Bugs. The adults are talking, so why don't you go play outside?
I didn't know Manischewitz made Pinot Noir.
Friday & Sat.
I work sundays
Ding Dong, the Wicked Witch!
Oh man, I keep forgetting to buy some Passover Coke, with real sugar.
I didn't know Manischewitz made Pinot Noir.
My friend Christian is a jazz guitarist...
whiskeyina
wow.
My friend Jazz is a Christian guitarist..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-
...feature=related
If Obama* loses a close one in PA this Tuesday, what will the spin be on Wednesday?
*Florida and Michigan not included.
Can I dig it up and move it now or is it all lost???
I'd wait until after it blooms. After that, if you dig the hole for it first and then just plop it straight it, it should be ok.
If Obama* loses a close one in PA this Tuesday, what will the spin be on Wednesday?
Hm. I don't know. Who will have the most convention delegates then?
Hey, kids--we're having a politics-free evening tonight. Let's give it a rest for a while, ok?
I didn't know Manischewitz made Pinot Noir.
HULK | 04.19.08 - 10:04 pm | #
The kiwi flavored pinot-noir is excellent.
Ding Dong, the Wicked Witch!
Elias
Leave poor Hillary alone.
OK, outside of drinking kumis with hamburger, how can alcohol *not* be kosher?
"New data from the Pew Research Center illustrates my point: although Hillary Clinton leads McCain among white women by three points, she trails among white men by twenty-three points. Meanwhile, Obama trails among white women by just one point, and trails among white men by fifteen. Obama's net margin relative to Clinton drops by four points among white women, but increases by eight points among white men."
I was trying to use this information to support my contention that Obama's gaining support among the white working class voters.
Duane V, Bitter Classist | 04.19.08 - 8:23 pm
http://people-press.org/reports/...rts/pdf/
407.pdf
Right, but this and the bits of other data at the other links are for 'men' or 'whites' or 'white men', and even that would include a large number of non-workingclass white men, obviously, thereby potentially skewing because of Obama's high numbers with the well-to-do, the well-educated etc.
That's what Judis was analyzing, mostly, in that article.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/
op...70_obama20.html
That said, I would not be surprised if he were gaining ground with the group, but also ebbing and back etc., which may be a significant component in that Gallup switchback in Dem support, 46-45 Clinton, first since mid-March.
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Ding Dong, the Wicked Witch!
Elias
Leave poor Hillary alone.
It's hysterical to use someone's religion as a slur! What a great joke!
nobody plays it like Blind Willie Dunn could play it.
I keep forgetting to buy some Passover Coke, with real sugar.
Have to buy Mexican Coca-Cola to get real sugar.
Convenience stores here have it by the bottle. Costco has it by the case.
Busy, but incoherent, thread tonight. Thank god, no cat chat.
It's hysterical to use someone's religion as a slur! What a great joke!
"Hysterical"? That means you're sexist!
Hm. I don't know. Who will have the most convention delegates then?
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Ah, looks like without Michigan and Florida, neither Obama* or Clinton will have enough.
*Michigan and Florida not included.
Hey Elias, I'm going to see Michael Franti tomorrow!
we're having a politics-free evening tonight.
Wanna talk about books? I just finished reading a creepy as hell novel from the '70s about a serial killer, By Reason of Insanity.
And I'm almost through Bourdieu's "Distinction".
I keep hearing about this real sugar cane Coke, but I've never seen it.
Good night for Boston fans:
Bruins beat Habs 5-4
Red Sox beat Texas 5-3
Yankees losing to the Mighty Orioles 6-0.
*3ease he3*.
Lewis Black.
National treasure.
I would not be surprised if he were gaining ground with the group, but also ebbing and back etc., which may be a significant component in that Gallup switchback in Dem support, 46-45 Clinton, first since mid-March.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory
He would have had to actually make inroads in that group, especially in Pennsylvania, in order to be within the margin of error.
Have to buy Mexican Coca-Cola to get real sugar.
Yeah, but Passover Coke too. Corn is avoided during Passover, so Coca-Cola issues sugar-based Coke for it.
Wanna talk about books? I just finished reading a creepy as hell novel from the '70s about a serial killer, By Reason of Insanity.
I'm reading a novel that Prior Aelred sent me and also 1491, which is pretty fascinating.
So I haven't been paying attention much recently, but when did the address of this blog become "www.eschatonblog.com"?
It's hysterical to use someone's religion as a slur! What a great joke!
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All of a sudden she's concerned about a slur.
My friend Jazz is a Christian guitarist..
Duane V, Bitter Classist
Ha!
1491 was a real eye-opener for me. Especially the stuff about the Amazonian and Andean civilizations.
"And I'm almost through Bourdieu's "Distinction"."
What a masochist! How about a little Foucault cocktail?
Wanna talk about books? I just finished reading a creepy as hell novel from the '70s about a serial killer, By Reason of Insanity.
That was 1 of my desert island books.
I'm kinda weird.
D6 y64 2n6w what's wr6ng w5th 0y 2eyb6ard+
"Hysterical"? That means you're sexist!
Exactly, In the way that Obama is imposing on Rove by refusing to wear a flag pin.
I keep hearing about this real sugar cane Coke, but I've never seen it.
That gum you like is coming back in style.
Geez, why do they alwayas sing the national anthem soooo slooooowwwwwly at sporting events? Let's get on with things here.
when did the address of this blog become "www.eschatonblog.com"?
Couple days ago, it seems.
Hey Elias, I'm going to see Michael Franti tomorrow!
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Get OUT! [Elaine shove]
Who, What, When, Where, How.
Dr Mrs G is looking for a massage. Who am I to say no? G'nite, all.
*disapparates*
And I'm almost through Bourdieu's "Distinction".
Apostate | 04.19.08 - 10:11 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Always thought the charts would make great t-shirts.
I keep hearing about this real sugar cane Coke, but I've never seen it.
Whole Foods has their own brand using cane sugar.
I respect Wicca, very much Hecate. In fact, I find it to be one of the more civilized religions. I was referring to the song, you know "the witch is dead...blah, de blah..."
Besides, Hillary isn't really a Wiccan...
Hey Elias, I'm going to see Michael Franti tomorrow!
Ali, now a habs fan
Kool!
Good night, Gromit.
Elias:
see "outdoor concert series" here:
http://whistler.mtv.ca/music_outdoor.php
when did the address of this blog become "www.eschatonblog.com"?
Couple days ago, it seems.
Apostate | 04.19.08 - 10:15 pm
Is there a possibility of moving away from blogger??? or something else going on?
this is my current favorite u-tube. trying to buy the cd somewhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G...h?
v=GKk7iwEbkmM
So where do you find Kosher Coke?
All religion is supersticious bullshit.
What a masochist! How about a little Foucault cocktail?
Got drunk on that stuff when I was younger.
That was 1 of my desert island books.
I'm kinda weird.
I think I'd like to read whatever else is on your list.
Is there a possibility of moving away from blogger???
Yeah, that's what I was thinking...
All religion is supersticious bullshit.
So is spelling. And tolerance.
Corn is avoided during Passover, so Coca-Cola issues sugar-based Coke for it.
puppethead
Why on earth would corn (maize) be avoided during Passover unless it was non-kosher? And how could it be non-kosher since it is strictly a "New World" product and completely unknown to the compilers of the Torah?
It's like asking what Jesus said about tobacco.
Whole Foods has their own brand using cane sugar.
Snow (D-SC)
Really? With caffeine? I'll have to check it out tomorrow.
Hey Elias, I'm going to see Michael Franti tomorrow!
Ali, now a habs fan
Saw the Beatnigs a bunch of times back in the day. Pretty energetic, to say the least. Never seen any of his later stuff....
So where do you find Kosher Coke?
There's a rabbi selling white stuff on the corner up from here...
I think I'd like to read whatever else is on your list.
Apostate | 04.19.08 - 10:17 pm | #
Bourbaki's romance novels are good.
It's like asking what Jesus said about tobacco.
Or Beat poetry.
Ali, that's AWESOME! I'm so jealous. I've never seen them live. I can't wait to hear all about it. He'll probably do a lot from the new CD, but also a lot of older songs. More than likely, "Bomb the World."
Have fun.
JR, xan, sorry I took a nap for a while. We got trouble in Gemen city.
The US can't eve make Coca Cola right anymore. Fucking greedballs.
Once you've tried (or gone back to) the REAL thing, American Coca-Cola tastes nasty.
Jimmy Carter did it again!
Saw the Beatnigs a bunch of times back in the day. Pretty energetic, to say the least. Never seen any of his later stuff....
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
From what i understand, still very energetic.
So where do you find Kosher Coke?
HULK
"Now with the Blood of Real Xtian Babies!!"
Thanks for turning me on to him, Elias.
Apostate I they were Persuasion (if I'm limited to 1 Austen), St. Maybe, Clockers and I think The Rapstone Chronicles.
Free online book
Acre Under a Green Sky
http://www.acreunderagreensky.co...ndex.php/about/
"t" ok?
From what i understand, still very energetic.
Ali, now a habs fan | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 10:21 pm | # [kill]
Probably not still using belt sanders on sheet metal for percussion, though....
Carter was told not to meet with Hamas and he did it again! He's undermining American foreign policy and putting lives in danger.
Or Beat poetry.
NTodd, Sexist Pig
Gaii
Nats tie it up in the top of the ninth. Marlins have fucked up in every imaginable way and a couple I wouldn't have thought possible.
putting lives in danger.
Yours?
Lord, I hope not, Phila!
Saw the Beatnigs a bunch of times back in the day. Pretty energetic, to say the least. Never seen any of his later stuff....
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Well then.
Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr Michael Franti:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R...h?
v=RUt7fuK8Mno
Disposable Heroes of Hip - Hoprisy
Rocked. Spearhead, too.
"Among Ashkenazi Jews, the custom during Passover is to refrain from not only products of the five grains but also kitniyot. Literally "small things," kitniyot refers to other grains or legumes. Traditions of what is considered kitniyot vary from community to community but generally include rice, corn, lentils, and beans. Many include peanuts in this category as well. Sephardi Jews do not observe this prohibition."
I keep hearing about this real sugar cane Coke, but I've never seen it.
Brookshire's has it here (in the ethnic section, not soft drinks, but not Kroger - I asked about it tonight and the lady acted like I must mean Mexican beer, which they did have.
Oh, and my grandson also loved that moon video over at your place.
There was definitely a splendiferous moonrise tonight.
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It's like asking what Jesus said about tobacco
I think you'll find he was partial to plug.
Anybody that doesn't immediatly renounce Jimmy Carter is putting American lives in danger and by proxy a terrorist.
More about chametz and kitniyot...
Always thought the charts would make great t-shirts.
Maybe I should update Table 24 and put it on a placard to take to the convention: Chances of entering the dominant class, and fertility rates, by class faction, 2006-07
Figures 11 and 12 on the t-shirt
fuck off jack
Anybody that doesn't immediatly renounce Jimmy Carter is putting American lives in danger and by proxy a terrorist.
History's Greatest Monster!
He's undermining American foreign policy and putting lives in danger.
wheel
Maybe he'll get a Nobel Peace Prize!
Carter was told not to meet with Hamas and he did it again! He's undermining American foreign policy and putting lives in danger.
This is the equivalent of someone bitching about interfering with German foreign policy circa 1938.
Oh geez, I'm a terrorist.. AGAIN.
/eyeroll
Ali, I'm honored to be the one to introduce you. But I'm sure if not from me, someine else. They can't suppress a great voice forever!
Anybody that doesn't immediatly renounce Jimmy Carter is putting American lives in danger and by proxy a terrorist.
I stand by President Jimmy Carter.
You're failing your audition, wheel.
Carter was told not to meet with Hamas and he did it again! He's undermining American foreign policy and putting lives in danger.
wheel | 04.19.08 - 10:22 pm | #
Would that be the same Jimmy Carter who brokered a lasting peace between Egypt and Israel?
You fuckwad!
Carter was told not to meet with Hamas and he did it again!
FREEDOM!
Franti - fest!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v...h?
v=vjTVAZDBUJ0
here's a hott tip...
the redhotjazz site is an excellent source for early jazz recordings.
Hamas shamas. What's the problem?
So where do you find Kosher Coke?
HULK
I get it at my local grocery stores, sometimes you have to ask. Or check the Passover section.
Why on earth would corn (maize) be avoided during Passover unless it was non-kosher?
I'm not Jewish, but cereals are forbidden for Passover, including corn.
See Passover Coke: It's the Real Thing.
"I keep hearing about this real sugar cane Coke, but I've never seen it."
Traditional 12 oz bottles with HECHO EN MEXICO on the painted-on label. They will also have a white sticker on the bottle with the ingredients and other stuff required by US law.
And you'll need a churchkey, they're not those crappy twistoffs.
The bottle itself is worth it. And the liquid inside is ambrosia.
Peace.
What a concept, no?
They can't suppress a great voice forever!
Elias
It should have been me!!
Lord, I hope not, Phila!
Ali, now a habs fan | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 10:23 pm | # [kill]
It was pretty harsh, but enjoyable. Lots of sparks and shrapnel!
I wasn't actually so keen on the songs, but it was definitely a spectacle.
You're failing your audition, wheel.
SteveLG
No second chances!
The liquid inside really is like a blink trip back to youthhood.
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Mexican Coke Vs. Passover Coke
There's plenty of kosher for Passover Coke around here.
Alas, I'm a diabetic.
Franti - fest!!
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What I'm doing is opening Youtube outside of Haloscan and then playing the video. This way I can still read, type and listen all at the same time.
But you knew that.
More Michael Franti..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=I...feature=related
way I can still read, type and listen all at the same time.
But you knew that.
Elias
The only way to fly!
"I can still read, type and listen all at the same time.
But you knew that. "
Throw in juggling mouse pads ...
This is great. Anthony McCarthy posted it at my blog today: Vietnamese spoon playing techniques:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=C...feature=related
So you can't have cereal for breakfast during Passover.
I suppose a Sausage McMuffin with Egg (and cheese) would be out of the question.
Thank God I'm an Athiest.
Oh my, oh.
Just saw a commercial with Pelosi and Newt sitting on a couch outdoors saying we have to do something about climate change.
Peace.
What a concept, no?
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
MUST be illegal..
I have to go pay bills. It's the chore I hate most of all. grrrr.
40 Neo-Nazis marched in DC surrounded by cops to protect them and still they were heckled.
Dudes, weren't they pathetic enough already. Y'all should have just stood there and laughed at their need for so much security despite the pitiful turnout.
"Bomb the World" is, I believe, this era's "Give Peace A Chance." What amazing music John Lennon and Franti would have made together. I think Lennon would have loved Spearhead.
Power to the Peaceful!!
Just saw a commercial with Pelosi and Newt sitting on a couch outdoors saying we have to do something about climate change.
Good thing they're right on that. Just as soon as they get that war thing resolved, and push impeachment so far off the table that the dogz are eating it from the floor.
"Just saw a commercial with Pelosi and Newt sitting on a couch outdoors saying we have to do something about climate change."
And, I wonder just what that might be ...? Sleeping with the enemy, perhaps?
Good night and good luck ....
Yao Ming is starting to take on the accent of a black man.
Persuasion (if I'm limited to 1 Austen), St. Maybe, Clockers and I think The Rapstone Chronicles.
Nice list. I've read all except St. Maybe.
I'm looking forward to Richard Price's new novel, but I'll wait for it to be published in paperback.
. I think Lennon would have loved Spearhead.
Elias |
Definitely.
Just saw a commercial with Pelosi and Newt sitting on a couch outdoors saying we have to do something about climate change.
The one with Sharpton and Pat Robertson is playing in my market. Sounds like the same deal.
Jimy Carter is a great American and an elder statesman.
wheel is an inbred, rabid, drooling racist Repuke Chimpyloving piece of shit.
Go fuck your sister, wheel.
The one with Sharpton and Pat Robertson is playing in my market. Sounds like the same deal.
Henry Flower
So there's an organized "fuck you, Bush!" campaign going on with some republicans?
Candidate Obama still hasn't answered the burning question: Why is this night different from all other nights?
Vietnamese spoon playing techniques
That man's a doubleparadiddling fool.
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Traditions of what is considered kitniyot vary from community to community but generally include rice, corn, lentils, and beans. Many include peanuts in this category as well. Sephardi Jews do not observe this prohibition."
NTodd, Sexist Pig
Well, learn something new every day. Thanks NTodd and puppethead, the link explained it quite nicely.
Had the essence of it explained to me by a Jewish buddy one time, over a dinner of (pork) BBQ on which he was chowing down with great enthusiasm. We lifted eyebrows in his direction at this lapse, knowing that he keeps kosher at home. He explained that before meeting his wife and deciding to become more observant, he had lived for several years in Memphis and had his soul irredeemably corrupted on the subject of proper BBQ.
Why is this night different from all other nights?
We'll never experience it again.
This is great. Anthony McCarthy posted it at my blog today: Vietnamese spoon playing techniques:
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The VC kick Yankee Imperialist ass once again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B...h?
v=BUUGOD8yR1Q
Vietnamese spoon playing techniques:
That's cool.
I have to go pay bills. It's the chore I hate most of all. grrrr.
Echidne
Really? I'd rather pay bills than do housework of any kind.
Probably because I remember "paying" them when I didn't have any money. Having barely enough is much better.
Well, the Nats lost in the bottom of the ninth, so I'm calling it a night.
ciao.
he had lived for several years in Memphis and had his soul irredeemably corrupted on the subject of proper BBQ
Not in Memphis, he didn't.
So there's an organized "fuck you, Bush!" campaign going on with some republicans?
dunno.
"40 Neo-Nazis marched in DC surrounded by cops to protect them..."
wheel and 39 close friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b...h?
v=bvig4SAZBEs
Apostate I have it but haven't started reading it yet.
I love serial killer books. Val McDermid's "Wire In The Blood" books are a favorite.
St. Maybe is by Anne Tyler and very sad. I love books and movies that make me cry.
Why is this night different from all other nights?
Because Moses died about a month ago...
Has Jesus ever cured an amputee?
Just saw a commercial with Pelosi and Newt sitting on a couch outdoors saying we have to do something about climate change.
puppethead
The petroleum industry's commercials have been saying the same thing for years.
It's called lube.
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I have to go pay bills. It's the chore I hate most of all. grrrr.
I feel like an adult when I pay bills.
wheel and 39 close friends.
HULK | 04.19.08 - 10:39 pm
That number seems high.
HBK's a Giants fan???
the amazing thing is that the "What's My Line" band had a bajo player.
That number seems high.
The reporter gave that number. The 80 cops and ten hecklers sort of blocked the view of the Nazis, so I just assumed it was correct.
Yes dave™©.
Yes I am.
We lifted eyebrows in his direction
Keep in mind, only Gawd gets to be perfect. It's in the rules.
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well, banjo. bajo would be tejas, no?
That Brent Bozell seems like an unbiased fella.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U...t-3hegJnpc&
NR=1
snow, I was referring to wheel having 39 friends.
snow, I was referring to wheel having 39 friends
I know. Otherwise my joke would have made no sense.
"Pelosi and Newt sitting on a couch outdoors"
Well, now we know why she took Chimpeachment off the table. Newt's been boning her, that old trollop.
snow, I was referring to wheel having 39 friends.
Ali, now a habs fan
Yep, definitely too large an estimate..
Franti receives the baton from Gil Scott Heron very smoothly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=u...feature=related
And Tralfaz, alas for Gemen but with 40 attackers I can only say I hope he's crannied up to the hilt. My humble abode is far too far away for any assistance to get there in time to do any good.
You should post something on the forum about it though, in case there's any other assistance we can provide. Whole point of having an alliance after all...
I know. Otherwise my joke would have made no sense.
Snow (D-SC) |
????
Yes I am.
This one's for you!
There's nobody to pay on a Saturday.
Candidate Obama still hasn't answered the burning question: Why is this night different from all other nights?
The Kenosha Kid
I don't know, but I bet it involves bitter herbs.
/Obama
I think we all evolved from items in back of refrigerators.
Why is Herb bitter?
And God came to us in the form of a refrigerator bulb.
Let their be light!
Xan,
I already resupplied scouts and told him to upgrade his cranny and send any new troops over to my place for safekeeping. When I find out what level his cranny is at, I'll send him a cookie.
JR, xan, sorry I took a nap for a while. We got trouble in Gemen city.
Tralfaz
IGMed him, I think he'll be OK
dave™© that's the NY football Giants.
I'm still gloating over the Superbowl.
Franti receives the baton from Gil Scott Heron very smoothly:
Elias
Yes, television IS the drug of a nation. And I bet you thought religion was the opiate of the masses..
It's astounding how these two songs, separated by decades, are so closely related in style and political sensibility.
Gil Scott Heron and Michael Franti:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...h?
v=uTCQSk2l8bc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s...h?
v=sgOWTM5R2DA
One wonders how many TERROR ALERTS there will be between now and the election.
Yes, television IS the drug of a nation. And I bet you thought religion was the opiate of the masses..
Duane V, Bitter Classist
In 1969 I actually wrote a paper for a class with the theme that Soma from Aldous Huxley's BRAVE NEW WORLD was actually Television.
(I think I got a B-)
I can send 20 phalanx, but I'm a day away.
can we go to Travian chat with this?
dave™© that's the NY football Giants.
I'm still gloating over the Superbowl.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
Have you seen that add for milk that Michael Strahan did? He's pointing into the camera, grinning like, "suckas, howya like me NOW?"
Priceless....
Since when did Atrios change his URL?
"Yes, television IS the drug of a nation. And I bet you thought religion was the opiate of the masses.."
Television is the purgative of the asses.
Yes, television IS the drug of a nation. And I bet you thought religion was the opiate of the masses..
Duane V, Bitter Classist
Keep you doped up with religion and sex and tv
and you think you're so clever and classless and free
but you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see.
HBK, "I love books that make me cry".
I'm with you. Every time I open my checkbook, I cry like a baby.
Dept of Fabulous Flashback, Great American Dream Machine Division
Eggs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p...h?
v=prC_eExhVQM
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Yes, television IS the drug of a nation. And I bet you thought religion was the opiate of the masses..
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Of course, the great irony is that we probably both discovered Franti from ----- MTV!!!
Chimpy's global warming plan is a joke...don't do anything until 2025.
By then a lot of us will be underwater.
Chimpy is a crook and a traitor to the entire human race.
Herding cats, I tells ya....
Tralfaz, Xan
travian chat, sort out Gemen there?
I say we shove a stick of dynamite up Chimpy's ass and light it.
Of course, the great irony is that we probably both discovered Franti from ----- MTV!!!
Elias
Heh..
"Herding cats, I tells ya...."
I just knew the conversation would come back to cats ...
WF Buckley is still dead.
Soma from Aldous Huxley's BRAVE NEW WORLD was actually Television.
And the 1980s TV series Max Headroom really showed that.
Keep you doped up with religion and sex and tv
and you think you're so clever and classless and free
but you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see.
Ali, now a habs fan
Yes, I too am a Lennonist. Definitely would have love Franti...
can we go to Travian chat with this?
JR
yes lets
C'mon guys, I have to be up early to start farming...
No, Rick Sanchez, you did not get executed for not joining the Hitler Youth. 10-20% never did join.
WF Buckley is still dead.
For which we are grateful.
In 1969 I actually wrote a paper for a class with the theme that Soma from Aldous Huxley's BRAVE NEW WORLD was actually Television.
(I think I got a B-)
DWD |
Probably went right over the professor's head.
I've written papers that got a similar reaction...
Xan,
I already resupplied scouts and told him to upgrade his cranny and send any new troops over to my place for safekeeping. When I find out what level his cranny is at, I'll send him a cookie.
Tralfaz
The NSA secret decoder monkeys are gonna lose a night's sleep over that one...
Keep you doped up with religion and sex and tv
and you think you're so clever and classless and free
but you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see.
Ali, now a habs fan
All Hail Groucho and John?
OK, there has been some talk of jazz guitarists, and I idly suggested something by Eddie Lang, but I din't realise that in the band the Gin Bottle Five there were:
Hoagy Carmichel-scat vocals, percussion
King Oliver- cornet
um...
Cougarhutch, how are the Cougarettes?
Nobody's putting any cookies up MY cranny. Unless they're my proctologist.
No, Rick Sanchez, you did not get executed for not joining the Hitler Youth. 10-20% never did join.
These are also the same people who wonder why the Germans didn't resist as they attempt to explain American exceptionalism...
I've written papers that got a similar reaction...
Duane V, Bitter Classist
Yeah, you should have read my paper on creativity and artists. Got a D on that one. Some lady took the idea and wrote a book called The Artist's Way and got rich. Go figure.
Pelosi and Newt sitting on a couch outdoors
Explains alot..
What's up?
Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death is an excellent book about the "joys" of television.
I liked when he talked about the Lincoln/Douglas debates, and how the opening statements were ONE hour. CNN would have a seizure at one hour of pure talk.
C'mon guys, I have to be up early to start farming...
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Like when Elaine asked Jerry why guys always have to leave so early in the morning. "It's like you all become farmers, or something"
Will you call us, JR?
Vicki, just awaiting Monsieur's arrival.
my honeycats are sad tonight because they dint get nue carz.
Have patience, honeycats...
I've written papers that got a similar reaction...
Duane V, Bitter Classist
I wrote a paper on Robert Frost's The Oven Bird which I thought was OK (one of those interpretive analysis things I really hate doing).
The teacher gave me a D- and wrote a real bitter note on there, saying my interpretation was completely wrong. And I thought she was a sweet old lady.
All Hail Groucho and John?
DWD
I too, am a Proud Marxist - Lennonist!
This is great. Anthony McCarthy posted it at my blog today: Vietnamese spoon playing techniques:
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=C...feature=related
Echidne | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 10:32 pm | #
nice.
"hese are also the same people who wonder why the Germans didn't resist as they attempt to explain American exceptionalism..."
Touche!
just awaiting Monsieur's arrival.
Sallyh,
I completely understand. I just talked to my former, future monsieur.
I missed him.
This Eggs video is fucking amazing!
aangus!
And I thought she was a sweet old lady.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Hey there, Janeane!!
Yes, sweet, but EEeee - ville...
I love serial killer books. Val McDermid's "Wire In The Blood" books are a favorite.
I'm a fan of serial killer books too. I enjoyed the McDermids, and Mo Hayder's The Treatment comes to mind. I've heard Reginald Hill's Dialogue of the Dead is good, but I haven't read it yet.
St. Maybe is by Anne Tyler and very sad. I love books and movies that make me cry.
I don't like movies that make me cry, or that I think are trying to make me cry, but I don't mind books that do. I remember reading a bunch of Anne Tyler's novels in, I guess, the late 80s or early 90s. I think I read a few in a row, and they seemed too much alike. I'll give St. Maybe; it's been a while now.
Joanna Scott's books always get me right where I live, as different as they are. And Lorrie Moore's short stories.
evening bats
how's it hangin'?
{{{Sallyh}}}
I did an art project in 8th grade about the "neon god they made" being a TV. My art teacher didn't get it either.
I too, am a Proud Marxist - Lennonist!
You all are mocking me aren't you?
Duane V, Fucking Peasant | 04.19.08 - 11:04 pm | #
Hey, Duane. Yeah, episodes like that make me fume when someone asks me "don't you miss your college days?".
I liked when he talked about the Lincoln/Douglas debates, and how the opening statements were ONE hour. CNN would have a seizure at one hour of pure talk.
Hell, even the JFK/Nixon debates were too long for today's Wise Ones...
I was flipping channels waiting for the dogs to come in and I saw some stupid radio person on CNN explaining that the last two elections have been won by Bush because people really care about issues like flag burning and abortion and gun rights and this other stuff is simply unimportant: why do they let these people on the TV? I am probably insane but I am a picture of mental health comparatively speaking.
how's it hangin'?
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[feels around]
Shrinkage.
I wrote a paper for a professor in which I critiqued Neo - liberal economic policies, "free" trade, and the like..The professor was a Clintonian "New" Democrat type...This was during Clinton's first term in office..Got a lousy "C".
"and this other stuff is simply unimportant: why do they let these people on the TV?"
Pish Posh! A man can live for days without food. But death is just a few hours away without a lapel pin flag.
This Eggs video is fucking amazing!
Elias
Hang in there.
TV has slid a long way down since Marshall Ephron had his mitts on it.
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I liked when he talked about the Lincoln/Douglas debates, and how the opening statements were ONE hour. CNN would have a seizure at one hour of pure talk.
CNN would have Wolf Blitzer speaking over Lincoln and Douglas, in the situation room, with guests.
++++
Also, Marilynne Robinson's books. Love her.
"the last two elections have been won by Bush because people really care about issues like flag burning and abortion and gun rights and this other stuff is simply unimportant"
This guy's logic is so flawed that I do not know where to begin...
"Won?"
Awesome. Forever. War.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...20/
wiraq120.xml
Battle to retake Basra was 'complete disaster'
By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent
Last Updated: 12:34am BST 20/04/2008
The British-trained Iraqi Army's attempt to retake Basra from militiamen was an "unmitigated disaster at every level", British commanders have disclosed.
Senior sources have said that the mission was undermined by incompetent officers and untrained troops who were sent into battle with inadequate supplies of food, water and ammunition.
Iraqi soldiers at the Divisional Training Centre outside Basra: Battle to retake Basra was 'complete disaster'
Iraqi soldiers at the Divisional Training Centre outside Basra
They said the failure had delayed the British withdrawal by "many months".
When the neo-nazis marched in Olympia, WA, people dressed up as clowns and powdered themselves with flour, and they shouted: "Wife power!" and "White flour!"
how's it hangin'?
Dressed left, sir.
"don't you miss your college days?".
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Yeah, I loved being evaluated by morons.
Duane V, Fucking Peasant | 04.19.08 - 11:07 pm | #
The only funny story about a term paper was one I did for both my History of Cinema class and an aesthetic film/video class. Yes, I handed in the same paper for both classes (with minor alternations).
It was on Fellini, and it ended up being exactly 8 1/2 pages. I didn't do it intentionally, just happened that way (honestly). The History teacher gave me extra points for "the most creative page numbering he'd ever seen" (I numbered the final page 8 1/2), but it flew over the aesthetic teacher's head (she was kind of an airhead anyway).
Need to nap.
bbl
Okay, I've been over at youtube watching max webster and wire videos. How pathetic is that?
Yes, sweet, but EEeee - ville...
Duane V, Fucking Peasant
You never met my writing teacher, did you? She was this little old lady - I think she was a lesbian but that sort of thing was not really discussed at my college - but she was a wonderful teacher but extremely cruel. If you made an error you were ridiculed and made to feel stupid and unworthy of her attention.
As nearly as I could tell there really was no way to please her. The best you could hope for was to not have her scream.
First paper - one page, three paragraph essay - was returned with three pages of notes about what was wrong with it and instructions to do it over retaining the first sentence as it was corrected and to toss the rest.
That was sort of how it went.
(And every day I thank her)
Hey, Hecate, are you still here?
I have a modest request of you...
They said the failure had delayed the British withdrawal by "many months".
If only Bush can keep the British stuck in Iraq until the next president takes over ...
doodah that made me laugh.
I felt bad while I was laughing, if that's any comfort.
Lincoln (or Douglas) would start the debate with an hour for an opening statement. Then the other man would have an hour and a half (1 hour for his opening statement, and an additional half hour for a rebuttal to the other man's opening statemenet). Then the other other man would have a half hour for rebutting.
Three hours of talk without idiot moderators, needless cutting, fonts/crawls at the bottom...
Wow! What a concept!
Duane V, Fucking Peasant | 04.19.08 - 11:11 pm | #
I'm autodidatic (for the most part) and damn proud of it.
The students weren't much of a joy either.
Bedtime.
Buenas noches.
DWD
Damn, ain't it fucking pathetic that people have accepted the fairy tale that the fucking moron won in 2000 and 2004?
That was sort of how it went.
(And every day I thank her)
DWD
Masochist.
Damn, ain't it fucking pathetic that people have accepted the fairy tale that the fucking moron won in 2000 and 2004?
Well, to be fair, we let him take office...
I'm autodidatic (for the most part) and damn proud of it.
The students weren't much of a joy either.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Yep, me too.. And they never are. Usually just a bunch of social - climbing ass kissers.
Senior sources have said that the mission was undermined by incompetent officers and untrained troops who were sent into battle with inadequate supplies of food, water and ammunition.
Iraqi soldiers at the Divisional Training Centre outside Basra: Battle to retake Basra was 'complete disaster'
Iraqi soldiers at the Divisional Training Centre outside Basra
They said the failure had delayed the British withdrawal by "many months".
sidhra صي ذ& | 04.19.08 - 11:10 pm | #
And they were trained by Tony and George's bestest officers?
US commanders in Afghanistan have recently urged expanding the war effort, possibly including US attacks on indigenous Pakistani militants inside Pakistan's tribal areas, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.
More war is the rational response to two failed ongoing wars.
aw, you gotta hear "Hot Heels" by Ed Lang and his Orch.
http://www.redhotjazz.com/edlango.html
It's a drag- in a good way...
Damn, ain't it fucking pathetic that people have accepted the fairy tale that the fucking moron won in 2000 and 2004?
Well, to be fair, we let him take office...
NTodd, Sexist Pig
Yes, but the son of a bitch didn't "win" shit..And he's got the world's biggest and best guns to our collective head...
The students I still pine over are the ones I lost, the good ones who somehow went wrong or disappeared. Such a waste.
When the Battle of Gettysburg was over and a day appointed for dedicating a memorial, professional orators were hired to deliver speeches. It was the custom in that time and their orations were quite extensive often approaching several hours. When President Lincoln expressed an interest in giving a speech, it was thought to be a bad idea.
The speech he wrote was not written on the train, as if often reported, but was one that he worked extensively on beforehand. He may have continued to revise it on the way to ceremony.
After he had finished the three hundred words or so - roughly five minutes - the audience was stunned by both the beauty and brevity of the speech. They sat in silence before breaking into applause.
The newspaper reporters were not so easily swayed and reported the speech only briefly and perfunctorily.
Yes, but the son of a bitch didn't "win" shit..And he's got the world's biggest and best guns to our collective head...
He doesn't have shit unless we let him. Thus, he won...
Yep, me too.. And they never are. Usually just a bunch of social - climbing ass kissers.
Duane V, Fucking Peasant | 04.19.08 - 11:18 pm | #
Annoying little hipsters, they are.
You know, I've been thinking about my college days lately and how unhappy I was. Glad to see it wasn't just me.
NTodd,
Good news. Steelhead front.
That is all.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
I've been wondering where you'd got off to.
Damn, ain't it fucking pathetic that people have accepted the fairy tale that the fucking moron won in 2000 and 2004?
We gonna keep fighting this battle or we gonna move on to more important things?
If ABC moderated the Lincoln/Douglas Debates.
"... people really care about issues like flag burning and abortion and gun rights and this other stuff is simply unimportant"
Yeah that other stuff... like Iraq, the economy, jobs, the environment, torture, illegal wiretaps... its not important.
What's important is keepin' them flag-burnin' queers from gettin' married and havin' abortions!!
I tell you, we are DOOMED. We are too fucking stupid to survive.
And they were trained by Tony and George's bestest officers?
rootless-e | 04.19.08 - 11:19 pm
Who themselves were incompetent, poorly trained, and sent into battle with inadequate supplies of food, water and ammunition. It's trickle down warfare, a Republican plan to Win For America! (and the poodle too)
Good news. Steelhead front.
Better than finally becoming a Browns fan? Good that he finally got his head out of his ass.
(And every day I thank her)
DWD
Masochist.
Duane V, Fucking Peasant
After I finished the 2 hour class, Advanced Writing, I never failed to earn an "A" on a paper the rest of my college and graduate career. That is worth a little pain, eh?
Progressive guilt? Fuck that shit.
Like a fish.
-
We gonna keep fighting this battle or we gonna move on to more important things?
I'm not moving on until somebody acknowledges that MACV really screwed the pooch.
I tell you, we are DOOMED. We are too fucking stupid to survive.
So how you gonna end it?
STEPHANOPOULOS: I’m sorry to interrupt, but do you think Mr. Douglas loves America as much you do?
LINCOLN: Sure I do.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But who loves America more?
LINCOLN: I’d prefer to get on with my opening statement George.
STEPHANOPOULOS: If your love for America were eight apples, how many apples would Senator Douglas’s love be?
LINCOLN: Eight.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Proceed.
No way Stephanopoulos would give up so easily.
I tell you, we are DOOMED. We are too fucking stupid to survive.
Thanks for your help.
"The best you could hope for was to not have her scream. "
My high school daughter's photography teacher (the artiste) screams all the time, throws things, tears up student proof sheets, cries spontaneously about his aging dog ... What is it with those idiots who see themselves as artists and therefore have license to be uncivil?
He doesn't have shit unless we let him. Thus, he won...
NTodd, Sexist Pig
You're right.
I've been wondering where you'd got off to.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 11:22 pm | #
Yeah, me too. Been lost in Brooklyn for two weeks. Not really...
Some have called her today's "Joan Baez."
Ladies and Gentlemen, Ms Dar Williams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G...h?
v=GJLsXM61RH4
The speech he wrote was not written on the train, as if often reported, but was one that he worked extensively on beforehand. He may have continued to revise it on the way to ceremony.
I'll never forget the time when my last boss told me that even Lincoln had "ghost writers." It was a disagreement that we had when I was instructed to write for an idiot who had been peter principled (my bad, actually. Never disagree with management if you know what's good for you).
I remember telling him that Lincoln had spent weeks crafting the Gettysberg Address, and he called me a liar.
One of the reasons why I left that job.
I'm happy to write for anyone, just not for posers. I learned my lesson.
I tell you, we are DOOMED. We are too fucking stupid to survive.
Who's we?
More Dar Williams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l...h?v=leEl-O5g-
w8
GIBSON: If your love for America were ice cream, what flavor would it be?
I think that beautifully captures the inanity of ABC's performance.
After I finished the 2 hour class, Advanced Writing, I never failed to earn an "A" on a paper the rest of my college and graduate career. That is worth a little pain, eh?
DWD
Hmmm... I suppose. What the hell did she do to you?
More Dar Williams is less Dar Williams. No Baez she.
That little vignette is actually from one the reading series I kept when the district went to new ones. (I liked the little article because it was good.) I did not know that the speech was "Panned" by the media and that professional orators were hired for big occasions.
Those two facts give a context to the speech that make it even more amazing in my estimation.
GIBSON: If your love for America were ice cream, what flavor would it be?
In today's America, Rainblow. And by that, I mean, again.
What is it with those idiots who see themselves as artists and therefore have license to be uncivil?
montanaheadcold
Artists license.
In today's America, Rainblow. And by that, I mean, again.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 04.19.08 - 11:29 pm |
Mmmm... Gum balls...
What is it with those idiots who see themselves as artists and therefore have license to be uncivil?
It has nothing to do with art. The person you describe is clinically disturbed. Such a person should, perhaps, seek the many protections and assistances the law provides. You can assist this process by bringing your well-documented concerns to a administrator, hint, hint. Perhaps a sabbatical, or some time away, is very much in order.
There is, of course, a grand relationship between 'being disturbed' and 'being an artist', but they should never be mistaken for twins.
Mmmm... Gum balls...
whiskeyina
I bet your girls love those.
♥ to you and yours, sweetie.
Damn, ain't it fucking pathetic that people have accepted the fairy tale that the fucking moron won in 2000 and 2004?
We gonna keep fighting this battle or we gonna move on to more important things?
Snow (D-SC)
I say we fight this particular battle until the history books tell the truth.
I tell you, we are DOOMED. We are too fucking stupid to survive.
Wise up.
You may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
“The strategic target remains our population,” General Conway said. “We can lose people day in and day out, but they’re never going to beat our military. What they can and will do if they can is strip away our support... “I’m an old intel guy,” said one analyst. “And I can sum all of this up, unfortunately, with one word. That is Psyops. Now most people may hear that and they think, ‘Oh my God, they’re trying to brainwash.’ ”
“What are you, some kind of a nut?” Mr. Rumsfeld cut in, drawing laughter. “You don’t believe in the Constitution?”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/
2...agewanted=print
GIBSON: If your love for America were ice cream, what flavor would it be?
Neapolitan.
There is, of course, a grand relationship between 'being disturbed' and 'being an artist', but they should never be mistaken for twins.
[slices off ear]
Hmmm... I suppose. What the hell did she do to you?
Duane V, Fucking Peasant
She taught us a layering method of writing that takes a while to get used to but once you do, it makes your prose effortless to read.
Essentially each sentence shares either a subject or predicate with the previous sentence. The trick is to do this without being redundant. Redundancy is the bane of this layering.
so who knows what I would need to put together a more or less typical 1920's jass drum kit?
Really big kick drum? check.
"temple blocks"? check.
what sort of snare drum was in vogue then?
I say we fight this particular battle until the history books tell the truth.
I say we win the war so we can write the history.
[slices off ear]
NTodd, Sexist Pig
::Chomp chomp chomp::
Eats ear.
You can assist this process by bringing your well-documented concerns to a administrator, hint, hint. Perhaps a sabbatical, or some time away, is very much in order.
There is, of course, a grand relationship between 'being disturbed' and 'being an artist', but they should never be mistaken for twins.
Snugglebunny
Yes, but how can you lay claim to being a genius unless you're misunderstood?
I say we fight this particular battle until the history books tell the truth.
I won't hold up everyone else for you. We're moving forward. You'd leave us dead.
Thanks, Vicki.
Yes, we love gum and candy. Lately I've been trying to limit our visits to sugartown. We've been having a lot of candied ginger slices!
I just want to sneak in here to say a beeg gracias to the pipples from Sideshow.uk for the nice leenky.
Gracías.
"Really big kick drum? check.
"temple blocks"? check.
what sort of snare drum was in vogue then?"
triangle, tympani, gong. i'll find ya some info.
I say we win the war so we can write the history.
NTodd, Sexist Pig
Umm, yeah, that's what I meant to say...
Yes, but how can you lay claim to being a genius unless you're misunderstood?
I am a genius solely because my tits are in proportion to my brain. Have I made that clear?
::Chomp chomp chomp::
Eats ear.
Uh...that wasn't my ear.
NTodd, LolaBlogging: Me likey.
You'd leave us dead.
Snow (D-SC)
Nope. But thanks for the kind words.
But viewers of all political persuasions were affronted by the moderators’ failure to ask about the mortgage crisis, health care, the environment, torture, education, China policy, the pending G.I. bill to aid veterans, or the war we’re losing in Afghanistan. Those minutes were devoted not just to recycling the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bosnian sniper fire and another lame question about a possible “dream ticket” but to the unseemly number of intrusive commercials and network promos that prompted the jeering at the end. The trashiest ads often bumped directly into an ABC announcer’s periodic recitations of quotations from the Constitution. Such defacing of American values is to be expected, I guess, from a network whose debate moderators refuse to wear flag pins.
Frank Rich
"I did not know that the speech was "Panned" by the media and that professional orators were hired for big occasions. "
Actually, Lincoln was initially disappointed ... however, Edward Everett,the famous orator who had prefaced Lincoln's speech at Gettysburg with an two-hour-long oration (customary in those days), later wrote to Lincoln the following day: "I should be glad if I could flatter myself that I came as near t the central idea of the occasion, in two ours, as you did in two minutes."
It was just as quickly recognized by many as the greatest evocation of the meaning of the Union.
Jesus fuck,
We gonna keep fightin this battle.....
There ain't no more important battle to fight asshole!
We've got to retore the fucking constitution.
Uh...that wasn't my ear.
NTodd,
Uh, don't tell steelhead, m-kay? We had enough of that Scarlet Letter shit.
I hear that Lincoln got the Navy to bring an aircraft carrier to Gettysburg so he could land on the flight deck and say "Mission accomplished".
I am a genius solely because my tits are in proportion to my brain. Have I made that clear?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
As chrystal.
NTodd, LolaBlogging: Me likey.
Sallyh
Moi, aussi. Loved it.
forgot chimes.
triangle, tympani, gong. i'll find ya some info.
jdw
if you can do that I'd be mucho obligatto.
I get the feeling that they were making it up as they went along...
As chrystal.
I shouldn't but
There ain't no more important battle to fight asshole!
We've got to retore the fucking constitution.
You're conflating some battles, asshole.
Ok. I have paid the bills. A lot of juggling was required, sigh.
Nope. But thanks for the kind words.
While you are trying to prove the outcome of the 2000 election, China will be starting a war over oil and global warming will be raising the sea levels and economies will be collapsing.
ooh- they has something called a "sock" cymbal. What we call a high-hat these days.
There ain't no more important battle to fight asshole!
Go for it. We won't wait for you.
Essentially each sentence shares either a subject or predicate with the previous sentence. The trick is to do this without being redundant. Redundancy is the bane of this layering.
DWD
Interesting.
While you are trying to prove the outcome of the 2000 election, China will be starting a war over oil and global warming will be raising the sea levels and economies will be collapsing.
and Britney Spears' career will be resurrected.
All of a sudden, the New York Times is going all "Chomsky?" Where the fuck was this level of criticism when they were doing the same thing in 02-03? Unfuckingbelievable:
To the public, these men are members of a familiar fraternity, presented tens of thousands of times on television and radio as “military analysts” whose long service has equipped them to give authoritative and unfettered judgments about the most pressing issues of the post-Sept. 11 world.
Hidden behind that appearance of objectivity, though, is a Pentagon information apparatus that has used those analysts in a campaign to generate favorable news coverage of the administration’s wartime performance, an examination by The New York Times has found.
The effort, which began with the buildup to the Iraq war and continues to this day, has sought to exploit ideological and military allegiances, and also a powerful financial dynamic: Most of the analysts have ties to military contractors vested in the very war policies they are asked to assess on air.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/2...all&
oref=slogin
So huffpo spliced together at least two different clips of Hillary to come up with their Hillary attacking moveon. Who'd thunk it. Anyway we quote drudge so why not huffpo and it is a sweet tale so we'll keep telling. We [meaning you know who you are] are pretty much shit headed assholes.
But thank goodness for the self correcting blogs.
Google King Oliver for some pix of 20's era drum sets. Fairly typical large wooden snare drums, bass drumm , one or two cymbals, percussion rack. probably too early for hi-hat.
chimes! Gonzo Dog Band had some mighty chimes!
I have decided (in my infinite wisdom) that when Al- the dog finally meets his maker that I am going to the no-kill shelter for my next dog.
I thought about another pure bred and I always wanted a Malamute or Siberian Husky but I simply cannot stand the idea of a lonely dog needing a home. (and I think I am too old for a puppy anyway)
So I am going to go and pick out a new dog - big, female (Spayed) friendly, loyal, and loving. (sound like a plan?)
and Britney Spears' career will be resurrected.
And then we'll all be dead.
While you are trying to prove the outcome of the 2000 election, China will be starting a war over oil and global warming will be raising the sea levels and economies will be collapsing.
Snow (D-SC)
It's been proven. I do believe you can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Rich: The most revealing moment in Wednesday’s debate was a striking example of this media-populace disconnect. In Mr. Gibson’s only passionate query of the night, he tried to strong-arm both Democrats into forgoing any increases in the capital gains tax. The capital gains tax! That’s just the priority Americans are focusing on as they lose their houses and jobs, and as gas prices reach $4 a gallon (a subject that merited only a brief mention, in a lightning round of final questions). And this in a debate that took place on the same day we learned that the top 50 hedge fund managers made a total of $29 billion in 2007, some of them by betting against the mortgage market.
Privileged though they are, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama do want to shape policy to help the less well-heeled. Mr. McCain, who had a far more elite upbringing than either of them and whose wife’s estimated fortune exceeds the Clintons’, is not just condescending to working Americans but trying to hoodwink them. Next week, in a replay of the 2000 Bush campaign’s “compassionate conservative” photo ops among black schoolchildren, he will show he’s a “different kind of Republican” by visiting what he calls the “forgotten” America of Alabama’s “black belt” and the old steel town of Youngstown, Ohio. What he wants voters to forget is the inequity of his new economic plan.
"Men are not flattered by being shown that there has been a dfference of purpose between the Almight and them ... it is a truth which I thought needed to be told; and as whatever of humiliation there is in it, falls most directly on myself, I thought others ight afford for me to tell it."
Abraham Lincoln to Thurlow Weed,
March 4, 1865
A very large lesson ignored by the Wise One.
and Britney Spears' career will be resurrected.
And then we'll all be dead.
Snow (D-SC) | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 11:41 pm | #
if we're very lucky.
More Dar Williams is less Dar Williams. No Baez she.
Reminds me more of early Joni Mitchell, both musically and lyrically. Quite smart and beautiful.
Duane,
If you are curious about how it looks in a longer piece, you can try this.
http://home.comcast.net/~veritas...1/
survivor.html
I do believe you can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Well, that is relevant. You can also walk forward while looking backward, but I wouldn't advise it.
I have a couple of Dar Williams CDs, and I enjoy them.
And then we'll all be dead.
i'm looking forward to it.
With the typos corrected:
Men are not flattered by being shown that there has been a difference of purpose between the Almighty and them ... it is a truth which I thought needed to be told; and as whatever of humiliation there is in it, falls most directly on myself, I thought others might afford for me to tell it."
Abraham Lincoln to Thurlow Weed,
March 4, 1865
i'm looking forward to it.
watertiger
You know, there comes a time when that becomes a reality.
I am a genius solely because my tits are in proportion to my brain
Wait, this is the standard? Great, I'm an idiot. Sheeeeeyaaaaat.
cougarhutch: cymbals, of course. chinese and turkish.
here's a few pics of chick webb:
http://www.drummerworld.com/
drum...Chick_Webb.html
DWD
Thanks.
McCain will undoubtedly say that in his experience only desperate losers threaten to go to war when they don't have to:
Anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr gave a "final warning" to the government Saturday to halt a U.S.-Iraqi crackdown against his followers or he would declare "open war until liberation."
And Condi will say:
"Nobody could have anticipated that the Iraqis would want ANOTHER war of liberation."
Lincoln would be braned an elitist snob by the MSM today for daring to speak in coherent paragraphs.
Like the MSM are all "regular guys" anyway.
BTW, over at FDL, Thers has the Official Election Guide to the Left Wing Traitorosphere...
A quick goodnight and fyi. Should you be around me if this happens, feel free to kill the goddamn snake!
Oregon cop battles 12-foot python to save pet store owner
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20080...d_python_attack
But Rossiter asked him to spare the expensive python, so Nelson put on gloves and pried open the snake's mouth to free Rossiter's hand.
Kill the motherfucking snake!! KILL IT!
All of a sudden, the New York Times is going all "Chomsky?" Where the fuck was this level of criticism when they were doing the same thing in 02-03?
David Barstow has done some noteworthy reporting over the years, including coverage of workplace safety issues and the war propaganda machine.
Save me! Fuck the snake!
"And then we'll all be dead."
i'm looking forward to it.
The way things have been going...
Obligatory but nonstandard blogwhore.
Reminds me more of early Joni Mitchell, both musically and lyrically. Quite smart and beautiful.
------
See.
I'm not all that bad.
Glad you like her.
She even wrote a song about Daniel Berrigan, "I Had No Right." It's an amazing song, but no vid unfortunately. I'll post the lyrics.
Kill the motherfucking snake!! KILL IT!
Monica_A: Dammit! | 04.19.08 - 11:46 pm | #
it hates us for our freedoms!
Google King Oliver for some pix of 20's era drum sets.
wonderful. It's all bass drum!
there's a good shot of a kit- bass drum, big snare, and two cymbals. There might be a wood block on there too.
But Rossiter asked him to spare the expensive python, so Nelson put on gloves and pried open the snake's mouth to free Rossiter's hand.
Talk about giving head!
chimes! Gonzo Dog Band had some mighty chimes!
---------------------------
Wasn't that a mighty chime,
Lord it blew all the people away...
There ain't no more important battle to fight asshole!
Um...Is it at all strategically or tactically prudent when arranging one's forces for said battle to call a potential ally "asshole"? Just wondering, out of curiosity, slime sucking nematode blowing shitfucker.
The snake is trying to eat this woman and she wants to spare its life? I'm against the death penalty and as a Buddhist I abhor killing, but this snake wants me to be its after dinner mint. C-I-L-L the snake.
cougarhutch: here's sonny greer with the ellington band: check out the setup!
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/kee...Greer/
greer.htm
C-I-L-L the snake.
Monica_A: Dammit! | 04.19.08 - 11:50 pm | #
The snake is dining, not murdering. It's a snake, fer chrissakes.
Well, that is relevant. You can also walk forward while looking backward, but I wouldn't advise it.
Snow (D-SC)
This sounds like the rationale used for years to justify our uniquely American lack of historic perspective. What's happened in the past matters. We shouldn't just forget it and move on. That's what's allowed the Bush Administration to get away with being so corrupt. People "moved on" after Viet nam, Watergate, Iran Contra, etc...Now they've stolen two elections and we should forget it so we can win "the war"? You can't win the war if you concede every battle.
The way things have been going...
Please god, don't let it be while humming "Hit Me Baby One More Time."
So, uh, for how long has "atrios.blogspot.com" pointed to the URL "eschatonblog.com"?
ya know, that Chick Webb kit has no hat.
So he'd damp a cymbal with his hand, prolly....
C-I-L-L the snake.
IIRC, in Anaconda the darkies didn't get eaten...
IIRC, in Anaconda the darkies didn't get eaten...
You know why? Because we will kill the snake.
ya know, that Chick Webb kit has no hat.
So he'd damp a cymbal with his hand, prolly....
Cougarhutch | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 11:52 pm | #
At that time, the bass drum was the timepiece. hats came in the 30s, I think.
The snake is trying to eat this woman and she wants to spare its life?
It's more of a confused snake than a homocidal snake. And it was really her own fault for being warm blooded and slow. You gotta look at this from the snake's point of view...
David Barstow has done some noteworthy reporting over the years, including coverage of workplace safety issues and the war propaganda machine.
Apostate
------------
Maybe so, but still, "...an examination by the _New York Times_ has found."
That's hutspah.
I have a couple of Dar Williams CDs, and I enjoy them.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 04.19.08 - 11:44 pm | #
Great songwriter.
Just wondering, out of curiosity, slime sucking nematode blowing shitfucker.
sidhra صي ذ& |
And you were doing so well there for a while...
I tell you, we are DOOMED. We are too fucking stupid to survive.
Much of this country is utterly unworthy of the sacrfice that has been made to keep the Constitution going.
The blood of millions has been spilled for nothing at all, basically.
You know why? Because we will kill the snake.
Reminds me of Eddie Murphy's routine about white people and haunted houses...
eschatonblog.com
Does this mean that Atrios is going to turn this into a group blog?
Talk about giving head!
Perv.
This sounds like the rationale used for years to justify our uniquely American lack of historic perspective. What's happened in the past matters.
blah blah blah. Keep fighting 2000. That's what's important to the future. Not health care.
nice pic of ray bauduc's set:
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/kee...udue/
bauduc.htm
"Lincoln would be braned an elitist snob by the MSM today for daring to speak in coherent paragraphs.
Like the MSM are all "regular guys" anyway."
Lincoln internalized the cadences of the King James bible through very conscious study and applied them masterfully to his oration. Interestingly, he also was known to the "regular guys" back home in Kentucky and Illinois as a master teller of risqué stories, which circulated the countryside and attributed to him long after his death. Yes, no CNN man, that Abe.
I don't understand why people want to keep large snakes as pets. Can't take them for walks. Can't play catch with them. Then you have the added bonus of them acting on their primal instincts and killing you.
MoDo pees on the lampost to mark her territory:
He can create an uplifting new kind of politics if he becomes president, but first he’s going to have to get past the shallow and vicious old politics he says he disdains
Dar Williams "I Had No Right:"
Too many carriage returns to post:
http://www.lyricsdownload.com/da...ght-
lyrics.html
Reminds me of Eddie Murphy's routine about white people and haunted houses...
NTodd, Sexist Pig
"Get the fuck out of the house!!"
BTW, over at FDL, Thers has the Official Election Guide to the Left Wing Traitorosphere...
Heh, indeed.
Mr. Snugglebunny is snoring. Perhaps I shall sleep in the guest room..
blah blah blah. Keep fighting 2000. That's what's important to the future. Not health care.
Snow (D-SC)
You won't get healthcare if you let them steal another election because you ignored the last two times they did it!
"God of the poor man this is how the day began
Eight codefendants, I, Daniel Berrigan
Oh and only a layman's batch of napalm
We pulled the draft files out
We burned them in the parking lot
Better the files than the bodies of children
I had no right but for the love of you
I had no right but for the love of you
You won't get healthcare if you let them steal another election because you ignored the last two times they did it!
blah blah blah
Maybe so, but still, "...an examination by the _New York Times_ has found."
That's hutspah.
The paper financed the investigation, and Barstow and the researchers work for the paper. That's not chutzpah. It just is what it is.
At that time, the bass drum was the timepiece. hats came in the 30s, I think
like, 4 on 4?
no wonder they were so damn big!
I had a kid come in to record here, built his own bass drum. I barely made it down the stairs. Then he played it so lightly it was all "so, what?"
I prolly dint understand.
If I have a yeast infection, do I need to sleep outside?
Then you have the added bonus of them acting on their primal instincts and killing you.
See, people like you and me, we think that is a BAD thing. Apparently, there's a whole slew of people who hear that and say, "Sign me up!"
Is Britney Spears now a television star, as well as being a vocal stylist and public trauma?
blah blah blah
Snow (D-SC)
I rest my case. Such eloquence.
If I have a yeast infection, do I need to sleep outside?
Go outside and bow to the yeast.
Fucking yeast!
I rest my case. Such eloquence.
You rested your case when you discounted what I was saying.
Or maybe you were not following it.
nice pic of ray bauduc's set:
and that's almost a picillo snare he's got...
Thers' post at FDL is hysterical.
cougar: th earlier pic of sonny greer and ellington is a crop: here's the full setup:
http://www.drummerworld.com/pics...nny%
20Greer.jpg
He can create an uplifting new kind of politics if he becomes president, but first he’s going to have to get past the shallow and vicious old politics he says he disdains
She thinks she's Lucy holding the football, when she's really the great pumpkin.
What's happened in the past matters. We shouldn't just forget it and move on.
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Republicans always canonize or rehabilitate their past assholes, from Goldwater to Nixon to Reagan and 41. And the Dems always graciously let them. Then, after the Congress names avery fucking object made out of reinforced concrete after Reagan, we wonder why the next generation of voters think he was a saint. Wait for it, they'll try the same shit with 43.
"and that's almost a picillo snare he's got..."
yup. i think they played whatever was available and to taste.
You won't get healthcare if you let them steal another election because you ignored the last two times they did it!
Nobody here is ignoring the last two times...
And you were doing so well there for a while...
Duane V, Fucking Peasant | 04.19.08 - 11:53 pm
Hey, nothing personal. Really. Point is, why call someone an asshole as gratuitously as all that? Your prerogative, of course, but invective isn't going to help the fight. That's been a major problem lately.
cougar: th earlier pic of sonny greer and ellington is a crop: here's the full setup:
that's insane!
Fucking yeast!
Maybe if you stopped fucking the yeast you wouldn't get so many infections.
Newton,
That is exactly why 2000 AND 20004 matter.
The paper financed the investigation, and Barstow and the researchers work for the paper. That's not chutzpah. It just is what it is.
Apostate
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When the most influential rag in the world prints an "expose'" on the very same technique it used to sell a war, calling it chutzpah is putting it mildly, IMHO.
Good night and good luck.
Religion is the opiate of the masses.
I, myself, prefer a rich Claret.
You won't get healthcare if you let them steal another election because you ignored the last two times they did it!
What practical steps are you taking to ensure the integrity of the voting this time around?
If I have a yeast infection, do I need to sleep outside?
Bjorn,a poor young country boi
It's Passover. Anything leavened with yeast must be burned.
the Dems always graciously let them. Then, after the Congress names avery fucking object made out of reinforced concrete after Reagan, we wonder why the next generation of voters think he was a saint.
Exactly. I can't wait for the hagiography after Bush dies (either of them). If you thought the Reagan hooplah made you want to retch...
If I have a yeast infection, do I need to sleep outside?
Why is this night different from all other nights?
That is exactly why 2000 AND 20004 matter.
That is exactly why you will lose.
Hello, folkeses. I'm just now joining in a 557 post thread, just because I've been doing other stuff.
So, what new egregious crapola have we been treated to today?
Roadmaster, you incorrigible, wonderful, music person. HTF are you?
Exactly. I can't wait for the hagiography after Bush dies (either of them). If you thought the Reagan hooplah made you want to retch...
Duane V, Fucking Peasant | 04.20.08 - 12:06 am | #
The Bush Depression of '09.
"that's insane!"
well thats a very special case. ya gotta remember ellington's band was an orchestra and the music very diverse...greer was in effect a drummer and a percussinist all rolled into one.
i'd guess most setups were much less elaborate. bass, snare, temple blocks, a choke cymbal, later a highhat and toms.
Your prerogative, of course, but invective isn't going to help the fight. That's been a major problem lately.
sidhra صي ذ& |
I completely agree, which is why I don't do it anymore. Used to. Just ask Snow...
BTW, over at FDL, Thers has the Official Election Guide to the Left Wing Traitorosphere...
Hilarious, all the way through.
Orientation: Wouldn't you like to know!
It's Passover. Anything leavened with yeast must be burned.>
My first wife's cooking was following the rules then?
Sorry, sorry, I was briefly possessed by the bitter spirit of an old Catskills' regular. I plead vengeful spirits, Your Honor.
"Maybe if you stopped fucking the yeast you wouldn't get so many infections."
they stab it with their steely knives but they just can't kill the yeast.
That is exactly why 2000 AND 20004 matter.
That is exactly why you will lose.
Maybe I'm missing the point, but if people work to make sure the voting systems operate reliably, what is to be lost?
Maybe if you stopped fucking the yeast you wouldn't get so many infections.
NTodd, Sexist Pig
But without fucking yeast, we would have no beer.
I completely agree, which is why I don't do it anymore.
Since she was responding to someone else's comment, maybe you could have stayed out of it.
Spirits? I've got those. Not much variety in mixers, though.
Apostate | 04.19.08 - 11:59 pm | #
Some MSMers speculated that Brittney could get an Emmy nomination for her appearance in the sitcom she was in.
Just because she didn't royally fuck up doesn't mean she should get a fucking Emmy.
So, what new egregious crapola have we been treated to today?
helena handbasket
Nothing much. Some people are arguing (thought from my perspective they are agreeing more than arguing) about whether to move on from the last two elections so we can win the next one or concentrate on the last two so the next one will not be stolen.
The difference is kind of subtle. I say let's forget about the others until we win and then appoint a commission to ferret out the misdeeds and if they are punishable: let's do it then.
Same thing only different.
Roadmaster, you incorrigible, wonderful, music person. HTF are you?
Elias
You mistake me for someone with a positive attitude.
But the show went OK tonight - my pinch-hitter interview was enthusiastic and passionate, albeit streaming consciousness longer than the Mississippi River at times...
Nobody here is ignoring the last two times...
NTodd, Sexist Pig
Somebody seems to be.
OK. If I had to put together a 20's jazz kit, I'd look for a big kick drum- maybe 36", if I could find a head.
A wooden snare. Fat, skinny, whatever would suit.
two cymbals, at least. A "china" and a "turkish"
and (shudder) temple blocks. 5 of them seems to have been the norm.
Beyond that, the kitchen sink.
they stab it with their steely knives but they just can't kill the yeast.
Must. Not. Quote. Lebowski.
I'm sure someone probably already posted this, but, if not:
Iraq cleric threatens to unleash "war" if attacks don't end
BAGHDAD — Renegade cleric Muqtada al Sadr on Saturday issued a "final warning" to the Iraqi government, threatening an open-ended "war until liberation" if U.S. and Iraqi troops don't stop their offensive against followers of his militant Shiite Muslim movement.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homep...tory/
34258.html
Duane V, Fucking Peasant | 04.20.08 - 12:06 am | #
They're already planning the resurrection of Bush's reputation. The MSM and the GOP are colluding as we speak.
Some MSMers speculated that Brittney could get an Emmy nomination for her appearance in the sitcom she was in.
Just because she didn't royally fuck up doesn't mean she should get a fucking Emmy.
Yikes. I thought I was joking. Maybe she is the perfect television star, after all.
Nobody here is ignoring the last two times...
NTodd, Sexist Pig
Somebody seems to be.
Duane V, Fucking Peasant
Nope. They're acknowledging that shit happened and now we need to look ahead to achieving our goals in 2008.
Well, almost echoing a poster above,
"Good night and Good fuck."
Peace out, moon scouts.
See you on the horizon.
Nobody here is ignoring the last two times...
Somebody seems to be.
What is it you want people to do, as a practical matter?
Since she was responding to someone else's comment, maybe you could have stayed out of it.
Snow (D-SC)
No, she was responding to a comment I made. People comment on others' discussions here all the time. Like NTodd's doing with our discussion, or DWD. In any cas, here we go with the Ad Hominems. Can't stick to the discussion, can you?
Who was the drummer for Lucky Millinder in 1941?
"I'd look for a big kick drum- maybe 36", if I could find a head."
look for an old marching bass drum, add a couple legs and a pedal and you *have* an early bass drum.
Paranoia paranoia everybody's coming to get me....
I'm going to go listen to that again. It's getting...a bit touchy in here. Later. Be nice.
I never comment on any other comment directed at another commenter.
Nope. They're acknowledging that shit happened and now we need to look ahead to achieving our goals in 2008.
NTodd, Sexist Pig
Ignoring the last two elections only prepares us to lose the next one, by the same underhanded means.
Janeane, you acerbic goblin, you! How the hayell are ya?
Who was the drummer for Lucky Millinder in 1941?
rye
Dunno that, but DO know that Sister Rosetta Tharpe was with him around '42-'43.
Night, all
Peace - may it come soon and end this ridiculous infighting so we can concentrate on saving this place.
look for an old marching bass drum, add a couple legs and a pedal and you *have* an early bass drum.
it's all that backline shit, no?
No, she was responding to a comment I made.
You called me an asshole? Seems you lied to her then.
blah blah blah. Keep fighting 2000. That's what's important to the future. Not health care.
Snow (D-SC)
You won't get healthcare if you let them steal another election because you ignored the last two times they did it!
Duane V, Fucking Peasant
Ahem. Both of you gentlemen are completely and entirely correct.
Half if not more of what most people think about "why the Civil War was fought" is complete horseshit. The "Lost Cause" scenario, along with the 'They were all noble men, fighting for what they believed in, bless them" business, was made up, quite purposefully and with malice afore-and-afterthought, by the losers. And then accepted by the winners because "Reconciliation" paid better than telling the truth.
(That whole "well, tariffs and states' rights had a lot to do with it!" is widely believed yet easily disprovable by looking at the Secession Declarations of the various Confederate states. But to this day people keep up this "argument.")
People have to understand the fight, what it's about and what really happened, even as the fight is still going on. Without that understanding the fight will be lost in the end in any case.
Ignoring the last two elections only prepares us to lose the next one, by the same underhanded means.
What exactly do you want people to do?
"Beyond that, the kitchen sink."
you can play a kitchen sink, but a stove makes a more satisfying sound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b...h?v=br-
D7UneS0E
helena handbasket | 04.20.08 - 12:15 am | #
Pretty damn good.
I just bought a book by Karl Marx entitled "Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844".
A friend of mine recommended it to me, saying it was more humanistic than the Communist Manifesto. I've had an inkling for Marx ever since Kristol called his bitter remark Marxist.
aw, second line. you know...
blah blah blah. Keep fighting 2000. That's what's important to the future. Not health care.
Snow (D-SC)
You can draw a direct line from the criminals surrounding Nixon to what we have today. Rumsfeld and Cheney were part of Ford's government.
Unless they're exposed and held to account, it will keep happening to this country.
Ciao for now.
Unless they're exposed and held to account
What does holding them to account for stealing two elections mean now? What should people do about that?
All of a sudden, the New York Times is going all "Chomsky?" Where the fuck was this level of criticism when they were doing the same thing in 02-03? Unfuckingbelievable:
They're getting an early start on their 2009 Pulitzer run. Pissed off, they are, about the Washington Post winning so many this year.
BTW, we survived another April 19.
What does holding them to account for stealing two elections mean now?
Well, I think impeachment is important. Even if it takes another ten years to do.
And there needs to be irrefutable evidence put into the official history. I favor a South Africa-style truth and reconciliation commission, at the very least.
I think. Hello?
Lucky Millinder's drummer was a white guy named Ed Shaugnessy. Yes, the Ed Shaugnessy from the old Tonight Show. Still alive and kicking
"it's all that backline shit, no?"
i'm not sure what you mean, but early jazz...think New Orleans marching bands. a bass drummer, a snare drummer. this evolved into 'jazz' and a single person could play a marching bass drum and a snare by turning the bass on it's side and adding a pedal and putting the snare on a stand..
Rep. Bill Delahunt (D-MA) wanted some clarity during his questioning. Was the attorney general really saying that anyone who acted pursuant to a Justice Department legal opinion was "insulated from criminal liability?"
Mukasey wanted to say it more carefully. "I think what I said was that we could not investigate or prosecute somebody for acting in reliance on a Justice Department opinion."
But even if that opinion was "inaccurate," Delahunt wondered, and that behavior really did violate the U.S. criminal code, you're saying that someone who relied on it would effectively have "immunity from any culpability?"
"Justified reliance," Mukasey answered, "could not be the subject of a prosecution." Simple as that. "Immunity connotes culpability,” he added, so it wasn't immunity, exactly, but the effect was the same.
And this time, with advance pardons.
Ignoring the last two elections only prepares us to lose the next one, by the same underhanded means.
Again, they're not ignoring the last two elections.
People have to understand the fight, what it's about and what really happened, even as the fight is still going on. Without that understanding the fight will be lost in the end in any case.
Xan
Exactly.
Well, I think impeachment is important. Even if it takes another ten years to do.
How is impeachment possible if the people already have left office?
who the hell thinks we forgot, and have given up the fight? that's crazy talk.
Duane V, I was responding to this:
There ain't no more important battle to fight asshole!
We've got to retore the fucking constitution.
angryspittle | 04.19.08 - 11:36 pm
A useless trope, in my humble opinion.
And there needs to be irrefutable evidence put into the official history. I favor a South Africa-style truth and reconciliation commission, at the very least.
puppethead
Me too. All's fair in truth and reconciliation.
What does holding them to account for stealing two elections mean now? What should people do about that?
Apostate
Document, document, document, if nothing else is within your means. Make websites, create new blogs, track whatever element of the atrocities interests you most. Print off hard copies if possible in case this all has to be figured out by archaeologists a thousand years from now.
And talk about it. Mention "We can't have another stolen election like in 2000" every time somebody asks you, in line at the grocery store or at the barber shop or workplace, who you like in November. Make it a common article of knowledge. "Gore got more votes and yet we wound up with Bush" is entirely true and provable, no conspiracy theories required.
A white guy touring with an all black band in the 30's and early 40's. Shaugnessy said the boys in the band were banned from the nice hotels but they had a system in every city where they would stay at private homes. He said it beat the hell out of staying at most hotels.
People have to understand the fight, what it's about and what really happened, even as the fight is still going on. Without that understanding the fight will be lost in the end in any case.
The fight is about healthcare and the war, not hanging chads and Kerry's failure to mobilize those jets full of lawyers. The lesson is not to cry "stolen!" The lesson is to fight. How odd that queries about what concrete steps we should take to prevent theft in 2008 and to maintain pressure on the Democratic preznit and Congress never seem to be answered...
How is impeachment possible if the people already have left office?
Apostate
The President and Vice President can be impeached after leaving office.
Criminal charges can still be pursued.
A useless trope, in my humble opinion.
sidhra صي ذ&
True. Plus, one shouldn't shout "asshole" at someone else if they want to be taken seriously.
Ed Shaugnessy may not have been the first drummer to use two bass drums but he was the first drummer *I* heard use two bass drums, on this side, when I was in high school.
Best scat, best Candoli etc., many bests - and live.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Djhoxt6Oag8
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"I'd look for a big kick drum- maybe 36""
that seems big. chick webb's base drum was 28" and that was considered huge. here's one:
http://www.activemusician.com/it.../item--
MC.3728W
The President and Vice President can be impeached after leaving office.
Um...
Evening, all. Been away all day -- anything awful going on?
Manwhile, I'm guessing that if I post something brilliant, there will immediately be a new thread.
Let's see!!!!
God, that bari solo!
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a lot of the 4's seems to have been brushes on snare along with banjo/guitar.
I can never hear the kick unless it's in a break on those old recordings.
The fight is about healthcare and the war, not hanging chads and Kerry's failure to mobilize those jets full of lawyers. The lesson is not to cry "stolen!" The lesson is to fight. How odd that queries about what concrete steps we should take to prevent theft in 2008 and to maintain pressure on the Democratic preznit and Congress never seem to be answered...
Stop making sense! You're supposed to have a magic 480 watt dildo!
I've had an inkling for Marx ever since Kristol called his bitter remark Marxist.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
If Kristol doesn't like it, it's got to be good!
How is impeachment possible if the people already have left office?
Apostate
House draws up articles of impeachment, they vote on them and then the Senate votes on a conviction. I don't know of any restriction in the Constitution that impeachment is only during time in office.
A post-office impeachment would strip Bush and Cheney of any pension or other government pension. But most importantly it will be a record of rejecting them.
Not likely to happen, I know. But it should happen.
Man- that Ventura stuff is awesome!
Um...
NTodd, Sexist Pig
Yes. The impeachment proceedings are part of the prosecution of the President and VP. This was discussed extensively when it was questionable as to whether Clinton would be impeached.
There have also been discussions of whether Bush or Cheney could be impeached after the fact assuming impeachable offenses were found.
Impeachment proceedings would be part of the stripping the trappings of the office from them. Pension, title, etc.
Xan | 04.20.08 - 12:25 am | #
Okay, but the work has not been done on the ground to make the voting systems reliable, to keep people from being turned away because of ID issues, to keep disreputable asshole from caging votes, to restore the vote for former felons, and on and on and on.
I do think it will be important that folks like Barney Frank, and others, put stuff in the record about what's happened at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Just read it all into the record. That stuff, and the stolen elections official reportage, that documents the atrocities. Read into the record the actual amounts of unaccountable moneys lost in Iraq, the deficiencies in the construction of the gd embassy to beat all embassies in Iraq. All of it. The wasted and wounded, the inadequate and callous treatment of wounded vets.
Someday it will be important and it will help to change things.
... maybe not now, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of (our) lives....
Duane V, Fucking Peasant | 04.20.08 - 12:30 am | #
Absolutely. Kristol has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that his brain left him a long time ago, which makes him even more attractive in the eyes of the NYTimes.
The lesson is not to cry "stolen!" The lesson is to fight.
And I can recall lots of folks saying, "if only Gore had fought!" after 2000, and "If only Kerry had fought harder!" after 2004...It's true that we need to fight now for what we want now, but we need to remember what happened when we didn't fight hard enough in the past. Failure can be instructive. Plus, it's a great motivator.
I'd also like history books to state that Sandra Day O'Connor caused some of the greatest damage to this country ever, for her vain personal reasons.
now, that scat singing...
this is a totally different direction, but do you remember the style of music from the 60's that was vocal, yet ithout words.
I call it dah-dah music. There would be a male/female chorus singing wordlessly, usually "dah", melodies that were recognizable, but no words...
What was that shit, and where can I get some?
Man- that Ventura stuff is awesome!
Cougarhutch
Ain't it? I think that album also has Fine and Dandy with a fantastic Conte Condoli solo, I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles, as fast as you can play with super scat, Jackie and Roy, shit . . .
Of course, they ain't shabby on this cut - Quote City.
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Kristol has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that his brain left him a long time ago, which makes him even more attractive in the eyes of the NYTimes
What's disturbing is the fact that this idiot gets to travel to the white house and whisper sweet nothings into Bush's ear, as if he isn't dangerously intellectually dishonest.
"I can never hear the kick unless it's in a break on those old recordings."
recording technology wasn't the best..
night bats..
The lesson is not to cry "stolen!" The lesson is to fight.
Well, sure, but someone who is pushing to create a sensible health care system, to stop the war, to protect the environment, to guarantee personal bodily liberty for women is fighting.
I don't see what's missing.
1949!
Oh, how the mighty have fallen...
Well, hell, I do blame O'Connor, but dammit there are 3ight other justices as well. I would like to expect all nine to take an impartial look at the rule of law, the fucking rule of law, and not be such weenie partisan pups. You know, there really should have been a 9 to nothing vote in favor of Florida's recount and Florida's court. It sucks the big green weenie and it told us all that we're fucked already sideways, it's only a matter of whether you're whig or tory at this point. No law is going to be applied impartially, nowhere, no how.
Uh...that last totally uninteresting Bugs post was me.
It's late, I'm tired, I'm going to bed.
I regret the error, and I hope to chat with each and every one of you fine folks one the morrow.
Happy Passover!!!!
we didn't fight hard enough in the past.
All that I ask is act for peace
You fight today
You fight today
So that the children of this earth
May live, and grow, and laugh, and play
-Nazim Hikmet
The Avalanche eliminated the Wild, 4-2.
You fight today
You fight today
So that the children of this earth
May live, and grow, and laugh, and play
-Nazim Hikmet
sidhra صي ذ& | 04.20.08 - 12:42 am | #
The Byrds version of that, on 5D, is one of the most gorgeous things ever. Even if you hate David Crosby, you'll hear his little bit of harmony at the end and forgive him everything.
The fight is about healthcare and the war, not hanging chads and Kerry's failure to mobilize those jets full of lawyers
Okay, let's take your first cite as an example. Is the fight to "get health insurance for everyone" or to "get healthcare for everyone"?
You know what the difference is. The "universal healthcare" in Masschusetts right now is really mandatory insurance, and it's going down in financial flames, and why? Because health "insurance" as it presently exists needs to be abolished. Its purpose is to make profits for insurance companies, not to heal the sick or prevent disease.
Why is this still being argued? Because we haven't fought the fight to define terms. Or rather, we're using terms as defined by our enemies rather than objective truth.
Retaking the language, realigning it with reality, may be even more important than restoring the Constitution, or at least as essential an element of everything we're trying to do. Clarifying in the public discourse that the election was stolen for Bush and his cabal is the important part, not hanging chads and Gore or Kerry's mistakes.
I just watched a thing on 1930's bankrobbers on the History channel. Many of them were very small men. Babyface Nelson was tiny. 5'4" 130 lbs.
thanx, jdw.
Even if you hate David Crosby, you'll hear his little bit of harmony at the end and forgive him everything.
steve hussein simels
Bird already died for that.
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Yes. The impeachment proceedings are part of the prosecution of the President and VP. This was discussed extensively when it was questionable as to whether Clinton would be impeached.
It might have been discussed, but that's silly. They can be prosecuted after their terms without impeachment. They also can be stripped of pensions without it.
Note: "Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States."
That says nothing about the other trappings after the fact. There is no Constitutional mechanism when they're out of office--then only regular criminal and international law is in effect. Impeachment is the remedy NOW whilst still in the WH.
What was that shit, and where can I get some?
Cougarhutch | Homepage | 04.20.08 - 12:38 am | # [kill][hide comment
You mean like Esquivel? Or more jazz-oriented?
Gary McFarland, maybe?
Make it a common article of knowledge. "Gore got more votes and yet we wound up with Bush" is entirely true and provable, no conspiracy theories required.
Xan
Exactly. I want people to be too embarassed to say Bush "won" in 2000, or in 2004. It's factually incorrect. And it allows people to blame the electorate, when it didn't vote Bush into office. Bill Maher went on a rant about how stupid Americans are for voting this guy in twice, but we didn't. Calling folks stupid won't empower them.
Calling folks stupid won't empower them.
Duane V, Fucking Peasant | 04.20.08 - 12:47 am | #
Absolutely. It usually makes them more instranigent.
Les Double Six, Swingle Singers, Hi-Lo's?
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Clarifying in the public discourse that the election was stolen for Bush and his cabal is the important part, not hanging chads and Gore or Kerry's mistakes.
Clarifying in the public discourse that we have a responsibility to fight the results when they happen, not 7 years later is the important thing. Instead, what do I hear? People bitching about Sandra. Bitching about Kerry.
Learn to accept responsibility, not keep score.
steve hussein simels | Homepage | 04.20.08 - 12:44 am
Agreed, Steve. And happy passover to you. May no nation's firstborn ever be sacrificed for the freedom of another's. Next year in a Jerusalem of hope and faith in our common humanity.
Love you all. Goodnight.
Intransigent, sorry.
Learn to accept responsibility, not keep score.
NTodd, Sexist Pig | Homepage | 04.20.08 - 12:50 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Hehindeed.
Speaking of which, there's a "what are you sick of reading on leftist blogs?" post at Echidne's. A good question, I thought.
now, that scat singing...
What was that shit, and where can I get some?
Cougarhutch
right over here
Impeachment is the remedy NOW whilst still in the WH.
NTodd, Sexist Pig
Not saying it isn't. Nor am I trying to imply that impeachment is necessary after they leave office.
I was just stating that most Constitutional scholars believe that a President and VP can be impeached.
Speaking of which, there's a "what are you sick of reading on leftist blogs?" post at Echidne's. A good question, I thought.
Is there a Friday Fucking Hopeblogging Bitches post at Pax yet, you fucktard shitpuke?
Ok. How can I make more money without cutting back on blogging?
Les Double Six, Swingle Singers, Hi-Lo's?
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QuentinCompson, Negatory
Four Freshmen and the Five Trumpets
You Obama supporters are really a laugh. You all try to alternatively defend the indefensible; and then attack Hillary, as is your usual practice. Remember, if Obama wins the nomination, you won't have Hillary or Bill to kick around anymore. It will just be a very experienced, patriotic war hero, against an inexperienced politician with racist and terrorist friends. Which one do you think middle America will like better?
Gah. I tried to delete that comment but too late.
Make it a common article of knowledge. "Gore got more votes and yet we wound up with Bush" is entirely true and provable, no conspiracy theories required.
And then what? I'm serious. We have not fixed the structures that enabled the Republicans to steal the elections, so really, what are we talking about?
If the 2008 elections are as close as those in 2000 and 2004, there is every possibility that they can be stolen, because the mechanisms are still in place.
Is there a Friday Fucking Hopeblogging Bitches post at Pax yet, you fucktard shitpuke?
NTodd, Sexist Pig | Homepage | 04.20.08 - 12:54 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Nope...totally forgot thanks to one thing and another.
Hola, batses...
Anyone up to summarizing the last 668 comments?
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It will just be a very experienced, patriotic war hero, against an inexperienced politician with racist and terrorist friends. Which one do you think middle America will like better?
The one who isn't a senile warmonger.
Do you want clean sheets or not?
Night for me...it was nice to see y'all again....we'll talk soon...
there's a "what are you sick of reading on leftist blogs?" post at Echidne's. A good question, I thought.
That's a good list, too.
Ok. How can I make more money without cutting back on blogging?
What are you skills?
This thread is flat and there's a bunch of butts floating in it. Where the hell's the blogtender?
Um, yeah, I'd like clean sheets, but I don't see any around here.
Gotg a splitting headache, so I'm out.
I'll leave you with 22 seconds of Joe Venuti and Eddie Lang.
Sheets, please oh Goddess!
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I was just stating that most Constitutional scholars believe that a President and VP can be impeached.
Which ones?
Oh hells yeah, for the 35 of us still here!
A sheet option invitation? How kewl and civilized.
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If the 2008 elections are as close as those in 2000 and 2004, there is every possibility that they can be stolen, because the mechanisms are still in place.
Apostate
That's why we have to fight like hell to keep people aware and motivated at the grassroots level. Turnout will be key. The usual suspects need to be put on notice; they're being watched. That's the only remedy, until the mechanisms through which the elections were stolen can be addressed.
Learn to accept responsibility, not keep score.
NTodd, Sexist Pig
Sigh. This is in line with the previous comments that calling people "assholes" or "stupid" usually does little in the way of advancing the cause.
I am not going to wrangle the argument any further. Best wishes for getting your back pain cleared up.
Sheets have been changed. Hospital tucked.
Which ones?
NTodd, Sexist Pig
Buchanan and Breckinridge, the bastards!!
Which ones?
NTodd, Sexist Pig
It doesn't matter because it happened before:
It has happened! In 1876, Secretary of War General William Belknap [who served in the scandal-plagued Republican administration of Pres. Ulysses Grant], accused of accepting a bribe, resigned just hours before the House was scheduled to consider articles of impeachment. The House went ahead and unanimously impeached him, and by a vote of 37-29 the Senate rejected the argument that Belknap’s resignation should abort the case.
This is not the only time a public official has been impeached after leaving office. Just the first time.
O bless you Lady of the Snakes. I regretted the last line of that post as soon as I hit "enter".
Sorry ntodd, you are the last person here I want to argue with.
A short, interesting article (well, to me anyway) of Tibet's ancient (but scarcely known) history as an imperial power, as well as the hushed-up British invasion and massacre there in 1904. From "Gary Brecher," the War Nerd.
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