HULK SMASHED
If only Bush would encourage us to go shopping, the economy would be saved!
aha?
haha
When Sadly, No! first tauntingly proferred the keffiyah thing to Malkin, I thought: not even she is insane enough to actually take this bait. Now that she has, I'm beginning to get an unaccustomed feeling of Christian sympathy for her. What a small, strange world she lives in -- one in which even simple breakfast choices are fraught with peril. What are her lunch and dinner choices like?
How many flavors does Alpo make?
hey, what happened to my comment?
bye for now 
will return later though!
I still think it was one of Keith Olberman's very special comments.
Damn. I thought I might have a chance at this one, but sadly, no.
You are incorrect. It is a very big deal. How much does this blog get paid for Clinton damage control?
The Clinton Campaign has openly said they're hoping for something bad to knock Obama out of the race. Be careful what you wish for.
Silly Season™, part CCCII...
How about all the candidates shut up for a little while, eh?
I thought it was a stupid comment but not terrible. But KO's research showed that she's made that inference (implication?) before...
I disagree a tad bit with Atrios. I think using the word "assassination" in talking about her run against Obama and the upcoming 40th anniversary of the death of RFK showed an astounding lack of decency.
The band of Obama loyalists who imagined that could happen have stunned even themselves with their success against Hillary Rodham Clinton, who appeared to have wrapped up the nomination last year, before any votes were cast. Now, they face a new challenge with the impending nomination and campaign against Republican John McCain.
If they succeed, many team members could be helping run the country eight months from now. Presidents often appoint campaign advisers to top administration jobs.
The team was led by calm and focused campaign manager David Plouffe;
http://www.rawstory.com/news/
moc...e_05242008.html
I'm not entirely sure if they're stupid enough to believe them, or if they just assume we're stupid enough to believe them.
Hillary addressed that issue the other day:
"TIME: Can you envision a point at which--if the race stays this close--Democratic Party elders would step in and say, "This is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee in the fall"?
CLINTON: No, I really can't. I think people have short memories."
It's the sort of thinking that would have made Karl Rove proud before many of us starting paying close attention.
Hillary acts as if it's still 1988. Of course, for her white racist supporters, it's still 1888.
HRC would like just one more pass, for yet one more innocent error. The MSM said fuck it, it easier to cover your ACTUAL errors.
How much does this blog get paid for Clinton damage control?
I'm constantly dumbfounded when concernists accuse bloggers of being paid by one campaign or another.
Like I said...Silly Season™.
How come I'm not getting any money for blogging about stuff?
The 20th century was one of peril and madness for many. If there were not real threats and delusion, they created for us by our governments and media. The Clintons are just a continuation of that thread, with just a smidge more social liberalism.
I want off this crazy ship before it is sailed into a rock.
The 21st century seems amply supplied with madness and peril so far.
Aside from the ghoulishness of the popular interpretation of her remarks, when did a Democratic floor fight result in anything good for the Democratic party? After 1968, the Dems lost the white house to Nixon, then for 12 years. Ted Kennedy's fight with Carter preceded Reagan and Bush I for 12 years. Is this what Hillary's after?
pull out god damnit
TPM:
How far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without?
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower
May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Only Americans can hurt America.
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Keith got really angry, and I went into the clip wondering if he'd gone too far, but the documentation of repetition was pretty thorough.
Ignorance could be bliss for some. To think that $$$$ does not change hands (especially around election season) to those with a pupit are blind, ignorant or both. Hell the government pays press members daily to spew the war continuation and even small items pushed by the Williams whore.
Omg. I just realized the Y2K fears actually happened. The US goes batshit crazy and becomes a rogue nation...
Correction:
Ignorance could be bliss for some. To think that $$$$ does not change hands (especially around election season) to those with a pulpit one must be blind, ignorant or both. Hell the government pays press members daily to spew the war continuation and even small items pushed by the Williams Uncle Tom whore.
Elects an imbecile, etc.
Keith got really angry, and I went into the clip wondering if he'd gone too far, but the documentation of repetition was pretty thorough.
plantsman
Yes. When he showed the clips, I realized it wasn't just a slip of the tongue..
Hey plantsman, I'm heading up to the Chiracowas in just a bit, as soon as I can wake up the wife and pack a lunch. Her zuki is gassed up and has new tires. The camera is packed and has adaquate memory sticks and batteries, so I'm almost ready.
I'm not entirely sure if they're stupid enough to believe them, or if they just assume we're stupid enough to believe them. Either way I'm tired of having my intelligence insulted.
Thank you.
I read KO's transcript. I didn't think it at all inappropriate or off base.
Hillary was explaining why she's not quitting and mentioned that a candidate was assassinated in June. Not much to be explained away there.
Hillary has a history of making strange statements.
Gee, a correction of an opaque post that fails to make it more comprehensible. Thanks!
After 1968, the Dems lost the white house to Nixon, then for 12 years. Ted Kennedy's fight with Carter preceded Reagan and Bush I for 12 years. Is this what Hillary's after?
I'm not sure that's a good barometer of what's going on here now.
We have two good, head-strong candidates that the MSM has been trying to bury for a long time now. (granted, I'm far from a Clinton supporter). The press sees two people sticking their necks out and daring to challenge the utter crap that has been killing our country for the last eight years, and they're smelling blood. How dare these two try and better our country!
Kewl, Doug!! Snap some purdies fer me!!!
How could this be?
A planned mega-fundraiser for the GOP, featuring President Bush and John McCain, has now been scaled back in the face of a daunting problem: Too few people actually wanted to buy tickets.
According to the Phoenix Business Journal, fundraiser set for this Tuesday in the city's convention center failed to sell enough tickets, leading to fears that the anti-Bush protesters might end up outnumbering actual attendees.
Meh, we all do things with our money that aren't ideologically pure. I suppose instead of going to Drinking Liberally I should be working in a soup kitchen. Not every minute of every day is dedicated to helping others.
I'm sorry I don't live up to your standards.
MikeJ
Meh meh. Let's not confusalate megabucks with beer money, mmkay?
And, if I'm supposed to have standards for you, I guess I mnised the memo, but it's safe to sday if you haven't murdered any homeless people, you probably meet them...
billy b
Do we want a persident that just hung around after she was defeated just in case a bullet split's Obama's skull, I do not. She will be the first suspect if the unmentionable occurs.
The 21st century seems amply supplied with madness and peril so far.
Most the perils are of human creation.
Yes there are some Malthusian shortages looming but nothing that could not be addressed by planning and some work. Unfortunately...
more trouble in paradise for the gooper parade. Mcsame not turning on the young base.
and little remembered is that teh goopers are still voting against him.
will THAT party come together?
--from NYT:
Mr. Paul was supposed to be a memory by now. But in the Oregon primary last week, he won 15 percent of the vote, and the campaign appears to be growing into something beyond a conventional protest campaign. Some supporters have helped turn the outspoken congressman’s campaign into a colorful, loud sideshow with their guerrilla marketing tactics — self-penned Ron Paul anthems on YouTube, a Ron Paul blimp, T-shirts that portray Mr. Paul as a world-historical icon like Che Guevara....
Mr. Paul’s voters tend to be younger and angrier than most Republicans. Exit polls in New Hampshire, South Carolina and Michigan by Edison/Mitofsky showed that Mr. Paul’s voters tended
FReeper sez Obama is the "antichrist":
As we get closer and closer to the fruition of Biblical prophecy, I believe certain actual people will start to look and act more and more like the antichrist. It may be a process where people start to outdo each other to lead up to his appearance.
He may be the closest I’ve seen yet.
If you were down with your Bible, you'd know that the antichrist isn't black. In fact, I think Hambone is the only Negro mentioned.
Bill trying to goose everything for Hillary is unsettling, too. Oh, and DiFi, shut up; you don't get to pick the VP.
David Neiwert at Orcinus had a post about the dangers Obama is already facing.
What does Hillary make of Wm Henry Harrison's fatal bout of pneumonia contracted at an overlong inauguration in pouring rain?
She will be the first suspect if the unmentionable occurs.
I don't think she thought through that one real well.
She has just worn... me... down... It's the incessant asserting of absolutely refutable nonsense (how long it took Bill Clinton to get a clear path to the nom in 1992, ignoring that there were fewer than 100 days between the incumbent, LBJ, pulling out to RFK's assassination making the June comparison not on point). The incessant assertions that make it seem that she believes that nobody's paying attention, that nobody can track her b.s.,THAT NOBODY ALIVE TODAY WAS AROUND LAST FALL when she was agreeing to the Fla and Mich sanctions.
It's just so through-the-looking-glass and it makes my brain explode. I can't stand it.
And don't forget Mike Duck and Cover Huckabee's idiotic 'joke' about shooting at Obama ..
Let's stop this right now and remember that Bobby Zimmerman, Minnesota native, turns 67 today.
I used to think the Clintons were normal people.
FReeper sez Obama is the "antichrist":
Pope JP2 thought Little Boots could be the antichrist.
HRC is a HORRRIBLE CAMPAIGNER. This is what must suck the most for her supporters. Sucks for her that you have to be articulate, on your game every night, not have fucking voted for evil shit in the past because it was easy, etc. You also have to learn the difference between being a LITTLE BIT glib or HINTING at something in an offhand way and doing.. well what HRC does. If HRC was not married to Bill she would not have been a senator, hate to say it. She sucks at being a politician. She is in the wrong career. It doesnt matter if "thats what she picked, she should be able to do it". People are voting for far more important things than her validation for doing a shitty job but spending a lot of time and energy in the process....
Let's stop this right now and remember that Bobby Zimmerman, Minnesota native, turns 67 today.
And touring Europe next month!
She has just worn... me... down...
Me, too. And it makes me think two terms of her would be exactly as emotionally exhausting.
Lime Rickey,
I remember the always "the end is nigh" crowd opined Ronald Wilson Reagan was the antichrist (6 letters in each name). My thought is these people are stupid. By the way I will die some day, as will everybody.
And touring Europe next month!
Neat!
Golly, how I wish Phil Ochs was still with us...he'd have his fill these days.
not that anyone asked, but I thought Keith was over the top and windy on the HRC comment.
It aint cool to talk assassination--I agree--and while there is plenty wrong with what she is doing -- this is just a distraction from BUSHCO and Steny playing pattycake with the phone companies.
can we focus on mcsame, his phony medical record non-release, his flip-flop on teleco immunity just yesterday--now he is for it again after being against it for one day--his vote against GI benefits, his lobbyist army, the lapdance express hypocrisy, the tax cuts for the rich, the pandering to the religious right and ....
The question the 58-year-old minority leader is pondering is how long that awfulness will last.
until he's voted out?
dirk gèntly, sociöpathètic | Homepage | 05.24.08 - 12:38 pm
Of leadership maybe. But I live in his district (sob) and he's not getting vote out of Congress anytime soon.
Any chance that she is going to leave gracefully has been tossed out the window. Given the increasing number of idiotic comments coming from her and her campaign her candidacy is likely to implode all on it's own.
Walking sheets.
-
I remember the always "the end is nigh" crowd opined Ronald Wilson Reagan was the antichrist (6 letters in each name). My thought is these people are stupid. By the way I will die some day, as will everybody.
tbhull
I haven't read the Bible cover to cover, but I don't remember seeing the word "Rapture" mentioned anywhere.
So who came up with that one?
"Me, too. And it makes me think two terms of her would be exactly as emotionally exhausting"
And, were she around doing this for 4 or 8 years, how do you even organize against it, the wacky rhetoric? Her discourse is like balls of mercury rolling around the table.
I'm smitten, but I think Obama is against this kind of funhouse asserting she does.
I have just one word for you, Hillary: Sidamoh!
(This word is pronounced Saddam-O, and it's an acronym for Shut It Down And Move On, Hillary.)
Lime Rickey
Tbhe Rapture first appeared in theaters oin the mod 80s. The rest will be history.
Hitlery wants Obama killed! Atrios you're the Wall Street Journal Editorial Page, now. And the nerve of that woman to contest the primary, and point out that she'll have more popular votes. Such lies! An insult to your vaunted intelligence! Please. Mostly these days I just read you and the other boyz less, but I just had to comment on this, because this is such total crap, and you seem to have a glimmer of knowing the GroupThink is wrong.
I didn't think it was that major a gaffe, but the KO "Special Comment" and the comments of the other regulars made me reconsider.
After all, she had to dredge up a moment of national horror and somehow, someway, that moment is equal to what's happening to her? Huh? Remember she started that thought with: "People have been trying to get me out of the race since Iowa." Really, Senator? Really? So it is all about you, even a national nightmare like political assassination?
Or maybe it's another "Boomer" thing, another sign of what we labeled the "Generation Gap" back in the '60's. Because the assasination of RFK, like that of his brother, like that of King, like the Vietnam War, is not a fact of history I was told about later. Like Hillary, I lived through it.
Unlike her, I didn't decide it was somehow similar to the bad things that have happened to me. She's reaching for excuses to stay in a fight she's lost. KO was right: it was the wrong thing to say, and she hasn't so much as said "Sorry" about it.
Do not be surprised that the Clinton camp is arguing to the SDs: "Vote for me because everyone knows Obama will be assassinated in four years, easy."
Hitlery wants Obama killed! Atrios you're the Wall Street Journal Editorial Page, now.
Project much?
And the nerve of that woman to contest the primary, and point out that she'll have more popular votes. Such lies!
Well, yeah, that's a lie. It's also unimportant. Had she won the delegate count, would she countenance a "popular vote" argument?
An insult to your vaunted intelligence!
No, you insult mine.
Please. Mostly these days I just read you and the other boyz less, but I just had to comment on this, because this is such total crap, and you seem to have a glimmer of knowing the GroupThink is wrong.
me
All a matter of which group you are thinking with, idn't it?
Omg. I just realized the Y2K fears actually happened. The US goes batshit crazy and becomes a rogue nation...
ellroon bitterful | Homepage | 05.24.08 - 1:07 pm | #
Is it wrong that this is my favorite Nike commercial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W...h?
v=WhF7dQl4Ico
I haven't read the Bible cover to cover, but I don't remember seeing the word "Rapture" mentioned anywhere.
So who came up with that one?
Lime Rickey
Scofield, IIRC, but somebody in the 19th century, I'm fairly sure. Scofield created "Dispensationalism," deciding history was divided into eras he called "Dispensations," all of which led to the apocalypse in a predictable (he claimed) manner. Issued study notes for a Bible (you can still easily get a copy; even Oxford publishes them) that supposedly prove this is a theme from Genesis to Revelation. I think he also invented the "Rapture" out of something in Revelations, along with a bit of "Parousia" talk from Paul in, I think, 2nd Corinthians.
It's very cobbled together; a patchwork quilt of stuff taken from Daniel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Paul's letters, Revelation, etc. You can make up anything from a collection of books like that, if you try hard enough.
Clinton's willingness to pair really stupid, shallow arguments with a complete disregard for principle, seems designed to make her repulsive as a politician.
No one wants to elect a politician, who has no respect, whatsoever, for an inconvenient principle. We hope quite the opposite, that our Representative Leaders will be highly principled, and even judicious. This is the appeal of John McCain's image, for many independents. We are often disappointed, or we settle, instead, for a partisan or ideological consistency (which makes us partisans or ideologues, I suppose). But Clinton isn't even offering partisan or ideological consistency. She praises McCain, reinforces right-wing talking points, etc.
Rmj: Non-working Theologist
Did he come up with the floating into heaven and leaving your clothes behind stuff, though?
KU KLUX CLINTON
I am beyond giving the Hillary the benefit of the doubt for any of her actions or words. She is a tornado of blind ambition. And, whether she's conscious of it or not, a part of her wants Obama erased.
She's not afraid FOR Obama; she's afraid OF him. And, fear is a nasty emotion, bringing out the worst in people. It's certainly bringing out the worst in Hillary.
She is walking deadly virus, infecting everyone with whom she comes in contact, whether in person, print or video. And, it's up to the Super Delegates (and the media) to quarantine and neutralize her.
What happened to Obama's supporters? You know Oprah, Sharpton, Rev. Wright, Jesse Jackson, Farrakan etc, Why don't we see these people on Obama's campaign trail? We only see white people, why is that?
Either way I'm tired of having my intelligence insulted.
Ditto. I figger Hilary is one step away from invoking the Chewbacca Defense...
So, the fact that RFK Jr. has said he doesn't believe she was implying anything of the sort means he is pimping his dead dad to help Hillary, who he supports? The fact that pretty much everyone is ignoring RFK Jr's comments is clear evidence that this thing has nothing to do with reality. Obama supporters want Hillary gone so bad, they will say anything, which kinda turns this teapot tempest on its head.
Perhaps it becomes a big deal when hyperbolic nonsense, bizarre fantasy, and outright lies are the only products of one's campaign.
Clinton is so desperate and so unable to believe she has lost I think she is willing to consider anything that she believes will save her. She's obviously been waiting for the Swiftboat to appear from nowhere to wipe out Obama. Pointing out that Kennedy was assassinated in June sounds suspiciously like either insanity or wishful thinking.
Clinton appears exhausted and seems unable to form a coherent thought. I not only wouldn't want her answering the phone at 3 AM, I'd worry about her at noon. Someone has got to take her aside and gently re-introduce her to reality.
It is finally time for her to stop. At this point, all she has to offer are increasingly absurd comparisons between her campaign and the great tragedies of world history or "stuff" that is bad for her, Obama, and the Democratic Party.
You know Oprah, Sharpton, Rev. Wright, Jesse Jackson, Farrakan etc, Why don't we see these people on Obama's campaign trail?
Because he doesn't need their support, dipshit.
Because campaigns are just RENOWN for the smartness of their talking points. It's amazing that only HRC's campaign, which does say its fair share of dumb things, gets called out for it.
I wonder why that is.
dear A man: Thank you for the post and a heartfelt amen
"My name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan." That doesn't insult your intelligence? He hopes you'll be stupid enough not to know why (it was taken off because he's a coward)
"We are the ones we've been waiting for"
THAT doesn't insult your intelligence?
a lady knows when to leave a party.
The selfimputed intelligence and vanity of Obama support is what I find repulsive. Seriously, you have bought into Teh Stupid. You'll deny it now, but six months or a year from now you will admit to it.
Btw, have a good look at what Glenn Greenwald has about the Blue Dogs today. They're all with Obama- and they're making the 1990s DLC look like choir boys in their hurry to sell out the Democratic agenda. Oh well, just don't cry too hard when you figure out just what sort of a dysfunctional centrist coalition you bought into.
cd,
You may be right but I hope not. With Clinton I know.
so what you're saying is that you're a sexist, eh?
Because anyone who opposes the Clintoon is a sexist. And a hater. and an elitist. and a latte sipper. and a sexist. and most likely an overeducated collegeboy ignorant black person too.
Atrios, Your intelligence is insulted when Obama and his campaign tell you over and over and over and over again that Change, Uope, and Unity are wonderful new concepts in political campaigns. They think you are stupid and
totally ignorant of our politics and our history.
On the night of his CA primary win, Bobby Kennedy told his supporters they were going all the way to the convention. Tragically, RFK was assassinated after this speech. And I can never even think about this without tearing up and thinking how our nation would be different if this had not happened,
My friends and I were ecstatic. Bobby was going to do it; we would have him as our candidate; and he would win. Such short lived joy and hope.
So, not only was he willing to take his campaign forward, against mathematical odds, he was going to the convention to contest the primary. Damn right, we agreed.
Now, what's wrong with someone as close as Sen. Clinton is to the math part doing the same? And discussing historical antecedents?
Especially in the face of the MCM and bloggers' cries of WWTSBQ???
The excuse makes no sense at all. Leave assassination out of it altogether, pretend that she wasn't saying what she obviously was saying; her argument is "Hey we've had late primaries before and nothing bad happened. Aside from the riots. and the losing to Nixon..."
Her comment makes absolutely no sense as the argument she now claims to have been making. I don't think Clinton is stupid enough to think the 1968 democratic primary is a good example of what a late primary can be like.
and tied of the say anything Rove BS, like Bill-- "Obama played the race card".
they suck and are huring the dem chances in Nov.
Stupid enough to believe them:
corrente, Suburban Guerilla, Talk Left
Watch the tape of her with the editors.
See how she rolls her eyes as though she's trying to remember the word 'June'? So much so that the interviewer offers it and says it himself.
Then she pounces on his vocalization and heavily accents the word June in reference to RFK.
She is an actress, but not a very good one.
It's a technique of pedagogy - make the listener feel knowledgeable by adding to the discussion (in this case the word June), then build on their vocalization to make your larger point.
As everyone has said: The other arguments ('92, the supposed length of the campaign in '6
are bullshit.
The word "assassination" is gasoline.
Add the two, ignite and you get -BOOM! - dead political career.
But she's been throwing Molotovs for decades.
Olbermann hit it out of the park last night. HRC's gaffe was disqualifying. That she is holding out just in case some event might befall Obama is morbid enough. But to mention that such an event includes political assassination, as in 1968, is beyond the pale.
well, and the whole point about waiting "until June" back in 1992 and in 1968 was that "the big enchilada" -- the CA primary (441 delegates, the most of any state) hadn't happened yet back then. When it has, of course, already happened this year. Odd that Clinton doesn't "understand," since, as far as I remember, those pushing the early primary here in CA were Clinton supporters.
but CHANGE will change it all.
vote for me because I will change it all.
And that's not insulting?!
The only thing KO hit out of the park last night were the tatters of his credibility. Honestly, talk about insulting someone's intelligence.
Speaking of "insulting intelligences" what the H does "effectively have the nomination" mean...GEEZ...sounding a bit like MSNBC and the way they're trying to boost their ratings and audiences by playing off Hillary...OF COURSE the Kennedy comment wasn't "that big a deal" but it surely has been made into one by HUFFPO/MSNBC and other like minded outlets. Of course should something happen to Obama (GOD FORBID) they'll always be able to imply (or actually charge) that THE CLINTONS did it!!!!!
PS...and, yes DWS...KO has totally become a cartoon of himself...which is, I suppose, what happens when one receives way too much praise that is ultimately UNWARRANTED!
hey, hillary supporters!
okay, we're done. you can all go back to the twentieth century. the rest of us are getting behind obama, because he's the democratic nominee. we'll be the ones cleaning up bush's mess while you cross your arms and pout.
look, i like hillary, too. but she's done. it's nothing personal. there's a sea change happening here, and we should all be happy.
but seriously...GROW UP, SHUT UP, or FUCK OFF.
I understand how everyone wants to get behind their own candidate and desire that all the others quit their candidates and join. It's a natural desire.
But I still don't have a sense of why Obama supporters are insisting on this when he doesn't have enough delegates to win the nomination. And I don't understand how Clinton is destroying the party by campaigning to get enough delegates to win the nomination.
The Obama campaign has gone all out in insulting Democratic voters. First we're sheep if we support Clinton, we're racists if we don't support him, now we're stupid if we believe something Clinton says.
How is this uniting the party, again?
In much the same way dismissive talk about "hope" and "speeches" while proclaiming that John McCain is more qualified for president than Obama is unite the party.
And again, Clinton is not enough of an idiot to have brought up the 1968 Democratic primary as a positive example of a late primary. Her comments only make sense as bringing up the spectre of political assassination.
hey, mere mortal!
if you don't like the future, LEAVE.
hillary is taking the political personally. that's weakness. stop defending her, she's done.
IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL.
The selfimputed intelligence and vanity of Obama support is what I find repulsive. Seriously, you have bought into Teh Stupid. You'll deny it now, but six months or a year from now you will admit to it.
They don't even see it when they find themselves drooling out the same garbage about the Clintons that drooled out of the mouths of the Republicans in the 90's. I'm disappointed that some of the smart ones have become so teh stupid. The gullibility required to buy into the Barack Obama bullshit campaign is astounding.
okay, we're done. you can all go back to the twentieth century. the rest of us are getting behind obama, because he's the democratic nominee. we'll be the ones cleaning up bush's mess while you cross your arms and pout.
You're going to lose the White House because we won't be there voting.
Then you'll be left to try to figure out why you supported a bullshit campaign that had nothing to do with Democratic values. Don't try too hard because the only answer you'll get is "I was an idiot."
Democratic values like promoting the Republican candidate?
I'm tired of having my intelligence insulted too. I’ll accept that Hillary’s intent was to give examples of the contest going into June; but that’s not what she said. From any common-sense understanding of her statement it’s clear that she referenced Kennedy’s assassination as a reason for staying in the race.
“between my opponent and his camp and some in the media, there has been this urgency to end this and you know historically that makes no sense… Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June”
"I'm not entirely sure if they're stupid enough to believe them, or if they just assume we're stupid enough to believe them."
I think they are deeply cynical and believe we are stupid enough to believe them.
hey, jayzee!
way to put your petulance above the good of the country, you SHORTSIGHTED FUCK.
Well.
Hillary the Horrible, etc.
Obama will probably win over all those Clinton supporters, especially since she has repeatedly said that she would campaign for Obama if he were to win the nomination. She also said it would be a mistake for anyone to vote for McCain or to not vote, since we really need to make sure a Democrat is elected...etc.
I dunno, maybe there was some deadly insidious evil in those comments as well.
Hah! if she thinks I'm gonna fall for that.
There is bogowogo on another blog posting the same bullshit. For anyone who is actually interested that is answers to two different questions he is trying to tie together with ... in order to smear Clinton.
EB: The reports this morning and overnight were that your campaign had made certain contacts or overtures to Mr. Obama's campaign just in the past 24 hours and were working on some sort of deal for your exit.
CLINTON: That's flatly untrue. Flatly, completely untrue.
EB: No discussions at all.
CLINTON: No discussions at all. At all. Now I can't speak for the 17 million people who voted for me, and I have a lot of supporters. But it is flatly untrue, and it is not anything that I am entertaining. It is nothing I have planned. It is nothing that I am prepared to engage in. I am still vigorously campaigning. I am happy to be here. Looking forward to campaigning here. Going to Puerto Rice tomorrow and I expect to be back here before the election. But this is part of an ongoing effort to end this before it's over. I am very heartened by the strong support that I've shown in Kentucky and West Virginia just in the last two weeks. They sure don't think it's over. I don't think the people who are here in South Dakota looking forward to vote think it's over and I sure don't think it's over. Neither of us has the number of delegates needed to be the nominee and every time they declare it, doesn't make it so. Neither of us do. I've never seen anything like this. I have, perhaps, a long enough memory that many people who finished a rather distant second behind nominees went all the way to the convention. I remember very well 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, where some who had contested in the primaries were determined to carry their case to the convention. I'm ahead in the popular vote. Less than 200 delegates separate us out of 4,400. Michigan and Florida are not resolved. No one has the nomination, so I would look to the camp of my opponent for the source of those stories.
EB: Well, I was just going to ask, one presumes that's where it originates.
CLINTON: I would think so. But that's been the pattern for quite some time now. Honestly, I just believe that this is the most important job in the world, it's the toughest job in the world. You should be willing to campaign for every vote. You should be willing to debate anytime, anywhere. I think it's an interesting juxtaposition where we find ourselves. I have been willing to do all of that during the entire process and people have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa.
continued
EB: Why?
CLINTON: I don't know. I don't know. I find it curious because it is unprecedented in history. I don't understand it. Between my opponent and his camp and some in the media there has been this urgency to end this. Historically, that makes no sense, so I find it a bit of a mystery.
EB: You don't buy the party unity argument?
CLINTON: I don't because, again, I've been around long enough. You know my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know, I just don't understand it and there's lot of speculation about why it is, but . . .
EB: What's your speculation?
CLINTON: You know, I don't know, I find it curious and I don't want to attribute motives or strategies to people because I don't really know, but it's a historical curiosity to me.
EB: Does it have anything to do with gender?
CLINTON: I don't know that either.
Usually insightful, you kind of let me down on this one. Yes, Clinton's point is the nomination was not wrapped up until June in the past. Yes it is true the primaries started later. The argument by people wanting Clinton to drop out has to do with the lack of time to run against John McSame before the election. So the critical time measure is not the date when the nomination ends compared to when primaries begin, but rather the time between the nomination and the actual general election date. I believe it is still in November. So the time between June and November remains the same no mater what decade we are in. LET HER RUN till the end. There will be no damage.
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