McCain's entire rationale (such as it is) for the presidency is that he will tell the whole world what to do and they will do it because he was in a POW camp forty years ago. And presumably German, France and the UK are to be included in his Super Awesome League of Democratic-Like Countries United Against Commies and Islams.
("touring various continents"? Is that blogging dingbat daugher writing these for him?)
BlueinColorado |
07.26.08 - 3:32 pm | #
Yes. I, as an American, am far too important to be lumped in with the rest of this nasty fuckin' planet's peoples!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.26.08 - 3:40 pm | #
I think McComplaint should next dare Obama to win the election.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.26.08 - 3:41 pm | #
You're insane.
hat | 07.26.08 - 3:40 pm | #
Heh. 'Smatta, hat, hard to watch the country returning to freedom and morality?
ronjazz |
07.26.08 - 3:41 pm | #
i am quite chilled out at the moment
Moonbootica, relaxed |
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07.26.08 - 3:41 pm | #
And yet the race will be closer than we think now. Death by a thousand cuts. though, they are having problems getting anything to stick.
qlª - Degenerate |
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07.26.08 - 3:41 pm | #
This is all about me. Me! MEEE!
Narcissist McStain |
07.26.08 - 3:42 pm | #
I'm waiting for some pundit to point out how presumptuous it is for a candidate to do a weekly radio address just as though he were already president.
Toonscribe |
07.26.08 - 3:44 pm | #
So feeling "left out" when somebody uses globally inclusive language is self-actualizing?
NTodd, Cranky Motherfucker |
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07.26.08 - 3:44 pm | #
virotex - I hadn't. Thanks! Good link.
mdh |
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07.26.08 - 3:44 pm | #
Me too, Moonbootica. I had to be at work yesterday at oh'my'Gawd-thirty, then couldn't sleep last night. There will be very little accomplished at TOW à la maison today.
TOW-killfile user |
07.26.08 - 3:44 pm | #
Toonscribe: I'm waiting for some pundit to point out how presumptuous it is for a candidate to do a weekly radio address just as though he were already president.
And yet the race will be closer than we think now.
I am guardedly optmistic for a narrow popular vote victory for Obama, with the possibility of an electoral blow-out.
BlueinColorado |
07.26.08 - 3:46 pm | #
If the rest of the world formally declared the US a pariah nation, cut off all trade, and targeted our cities with British, French, and Russian nukes, all because somehow Huggy Bear stole the upcoming election, I would not blame them one bit.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
07.26.08 - 3:46 pm | #
that one should win the political darwin award for the week...
fokowi |
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07.26.08 - 3:46 pm | #
That McCain is bubbling over with fresh ideas. It was even his idea for Obama to go to Europe.
top |
07.26.08 - 3:47 pm | #
Awwww, are the poow widdle mowonic bwonshirt fucks pissing their pants over the big scawy bwack man?
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
07.26.08 - 3:47 pm | #
Well if nothing else, john mccain is certainly entertaining in a train wreck sort of way.
Troutski, BTW |
07.26.08 - 3:48 pm | #
McCain sounds just desperate.
He's finally been invited to the dance, something he's been so focused on that he skipped his dance lessons.
mdh |
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07.26.08 - 3:48 pm | #
Barack HUSSEIN Obama once again caused my post to go slantie.
Awwww, are the poow widdle mowonic bwonshirt fucks pissing their pants over the big scawy bwack man?
The Nih causes their underwear to turn brown, and not in the good way.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
07.26.08 - 3:49 pm | #
the pain in brain wrecks mainly on the train.
notaboomer generation jones! |
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07.26.08 - 3:49 pm | #
I think McCain's trip to little germany shows his fresh sense of humor.
top |
07.26.08 - 3:49 pm | #
Awwww, are the poow widdle mowonic bwonshirt fucks pissing their pants over the big scawy bwack man?
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 07.26.08 - 3:47 pm | #
Reminds me, I got to go to the bathroom.
Le Jackel |
07.26.08 - 3:50 pm | #
mcpain whistle stop train tour. wait for it.
notaboomer generation jones! |
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07.26.08 - 3:50 pm | #
McCain needs to get back on his meds. He seems to become more bizarre each day with his crazy pronouncements and staged campaign appearances.
Nothing is more unattractive than a 71 year old man who is constantly whining about how unfair life is to him. He made is dare to Obama, said dare was taken and checkmated and he doesn't like the outcome of it. Tough luck, old man.
sconset |
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07.26.08 - 3:51 pm | #
beer is back? this can only be good news for cunts and trollops.
notaboomer generation jones! |
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07.26.08 - 3:51 pm | #
McIncredibleShrinkingMan
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07.26.08 - 3:51 pm | #
OMFG. I just saw that TDSw/JS clip this morning.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.26.08 - 3:53 pm | #
See what I was saying. Their field engineering is the shits. But they do understand systemic programming.
Le Jackel |
07.26.08 - 3:54 pm | #
McIncredibleShrinkingMan
short people got no reason to live
notaboomer generation jones! |
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07.26.08 - 3:54 pm | #
jp, they do that piece every night. And I laugh every time.
virgotex |
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07.26.08 - 3:54 pm | #
Virgotex: Perfect theme song for McGrumpy. They can sing it all across the country for all I care.
sconset |
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07.26.08 - 3:55 pm | #
Luckily he can fall into the understanding compassionate arms of lindsey graham.
A. Morphous, jerked around |
07.26.08 - 3:55 pm | #
Nothing is more unattractive than a 71 year old man who is constantly whining about how unfair life is to him.
Especially when the ungrateful twit is married to the Beer Queen of Arizona and gets huge disability, military retirement, and social security checks every month.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
07.26.08 - 3:55 pm | #
Is that all McCain ever does is whiiiiiiiiiiiiiine?
The Whiney Ass Titty Baby Candidate.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 3:56 pm | #
virgotex: jp, they do that piece every night. And I laugh every time.
My Comedy Central is too snowy to watch, so I have to remind myself to go to the web, occasionally. Today was the first I'd seen of that... the stairway lift... HAW!
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07.26.08 - 3:56 pm | #
speaking of the underrated ukelele, cliff edwards aka ukelele ike, as the voice of disney's jiminy cricket singing "when you wish upon a star" can still moisten my eyes. what a voice he had! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cli...i/
Cliff_Edwards
bullit |
07.26.08 - 3:57 pm | #
Nothing is more unattractive than a 71 year old incredibly rich and powerful man who is constantly whining about how unfair life is to him.
there are so/too many good ones we'll never reach consensus on a name...
fokowi |
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07.26.08 - 4:00 pm | #
On a related note, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki asked the entire world why the U.S. media have failed to acknowledge his government's endorsement of Obama's plan for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. "I do not understand what is wrong with their Washington Post," Maliki said in a prepared statement. "I recall that it used to be a pretty good newspaper. But now I fear that its editorial pages have been taken over by what the Qu'ran calls 'a bunch of wankers.'"
Wanker is Arabic for Lieberman.
masculine_monica_nyc |
07.26.08 - 4:00 pm | #
I'm starting to feel a little left out.
Awww, poor gramps! If he'd wanted to tag along, I'm sure Sen. Obama would have made room for him somehow! He could have taken his Hoveround and everything!
V for Virginia, faceless name |
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07.26.08 - 4:00 pm | #
I really don't give a rat's ass what McFuckStick did forty years ago.
That was the past.
This country needs to worry about its future.
It won't have much of one if that asshole becomes president. Nor will the rest of the world.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:00 pm | #
The Freudian symbolism of McTickingTimeBomb playing three caballeros with the fey droopy lieberman and the fey-er huckleberry graham could fill a freakin' textbook.
A. Morphous, jerked around |
07.26.08 - 4:00 pm | #
what a whiny fucking bitch. who the hell wants to live with that for four years.
re berlin, time mag has a series of photos, and i hadn't seen one from this angle:
Whenever we have the chance, yes.
masculine_monica_nyc |
07.26.08 - 4:02 pm | #
The Freudian symbolism of McTickingTimeBomb playing three caballeros with the fey droopy lieberman and the fey-er huckleberry graham could fill a freakin' textbook.
A. Morphous, jerked around
Dumb, Dumb and DumberStill
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:02 pm | #
One of the more accurate observers on the economic & political scene,Mike Whitney, writing on the counterpunch site,predicts a 50 state blowout for Obama. Thats not his guy but he goes on to say that he can see what's happening out there. Interesting.
jodon |
07.26.08 - 4:03 pm | #
Dumb, DUMBER and DumberStill.
The Pimp, the Simp and the Wimp.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:03 pm | #
Shorter McCain:
Whahh! No one's paying attention to me!
ronin |
07.26.08 - 4:03 pm | #
McWho?
A. Morphous, jerked around |
07.26.08 - 4:03 pm | #
"...Nothing is more unattractive than a 71 year old man who is constantly whining about how unfair life is to him...." Homepage | 07.26.08 - 3:51 pm |
Unless it's the same old sniveling vulgarians who gather here daily and never have the grace to apologize for their repetitious ignorance. If they're the Obama 'base' God help him.
And if I hear the word, 'dude,' one more time, I'll scream.
Rick Blaine |
07.26.08 - 4:04 pm | #
a 50 state blowout for Obama.
It wouldn't surprise me.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:04 pm | #
a 50 state blowout for Obama
I'd be shocked if that were to occur.
masculine_monica_nyc |
07.26.08 - 4:04 pm | #
Rick Blaine | 07.26.08 - 4:04 pm
No one told you to show up here.
If you don't like it, leave.
Go over to LGF with your own kind.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:04 pm | #
Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has won parliamentary backing for a crime package critics say discriminates against immigrants.
Under new laws approved by the Senate, illegal immigrants convicted of crimes will now face jail sentences a third longer than those for Italians.
Courts will be able to jail illegal immigrants for up to four years rather than simply deport them.
Property rented to illegal immigrants can also be confiscated.
Both the Catholic Church and Italy's left-wing opposition say that, as well as targeting immigrants unfairly, the new laws may also encourage racism.
I'd be shocked if that were to occur.
masculine_monica_nyc
Molly I's prediction is 47. It could happen.
V for Virginia, faceless name |
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07.26.08 - 4:06 pm | #
HaloScan is a lousy cur today, innit?
masculine_monica_nyc |
07.26.08 - 4:07 pm | #
And if I hear the word, 'dude,' one more time, I'll scream.
Rick Blaine | 07.26.08 - 4:04 pm | #
Chill, dude. you're too rude.
McCain is an ignorant fuckwit whose only experience is in getting blowjobs from lobbyists. he is more dangerous than Bin Laden.
You are a whiny little shit.
Narcissist McStain |
07.26.08 - 4:07 pm | #
fuckn' lefties
No viagra needed, no fakers need apply.
mdh |
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07.26.08 - 4:07 pm | #
Yes, I say McComplaint should definitely goad Obama into winning November's election.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.26.08 - 4:07 pm | #
All campaigns are at risk of believing their own spin - it's the kiss of death.
Culture of TrÜth |
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07.26.08 - 4:07 pm | #
what a whiny fucking bitch. who the hell wants to live with that for four years.
nona
nona, McFuckstick's not only whiney, but he talks to other people like they're idiots.
Really condescending attitude.
Very smug and arrogant.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:08 pm | #
a 50 state blowout for Obama.
The likelihood of this happening is, IMHO, vanishingly small.
I can't see states like say Mississippi, Utah, or South Carolina going for a Nih. Just ain't gonna happen.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
07.26.08 - 4:08 pm | #
No one out-dumbs McAyn. No one.
plantsman |
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07.26.08 - 4:08 pm | #
I'll say a 45 state blowout, with defecting electors just to piss people off.
mdh |
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07.26.08 - 4:08 pm | #
All campaigns are at risk of believing their own spin - it's the kiss of death.
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 4:07 pm |
well, the McStain spin is that he's actually qualified. Time to bury him.
Narcissist McStain |
07.26.08 - 4:08 pm | #
I'm willing to bet that 75% of nightly tv news watchers saw mccain with the fraulein serving sausage (or was it fudge?) and thought he too was in Berlin.
Cynthia 'Nyquil' Johnson |
07.26.08 - 4:08 pm | #
And if I hear the word, 'dude,' one more time, I'll scream.
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.
V for Virginia, faceless name | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 4:06 pm | #
Dude, you are trying my patience.
Le Jackel |
07.26.08 - 4:08 pm | #
Y'know, I've been trying to remember what the general tone of McCain's pronouncements and speeches were like in the 2000 campaign, the last time he was destined to shit the bed.
I wasn't paying too much attention, since Bush had the greater head of steam (meaning: a greater number of press flacks following him around because the food was better), but I recall that there were stories about his very deep-seated hatred of Bush after what the Bushies did to him in SC. Nevertheless, he always put on his game face and kept that out of the campaign.
So, all the whining and carping about Obama doing the same things McCain does, is this a clear strategy, or is McCain letting the real persona emerge at inopportune times?
montag |
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07.26.08 - 4:08 pm | #
Yes, I say McComplaint should definitely goad Obama into winning November's election.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
"Well, if that whippersnapper thinks he's such hot shit, why doesn't he just be president for 8 years? That'll teach him a thing or two!
Hey, you young retirees -- offa my lawn!"
V for Virginia, faceless name |
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07.26.08 - 4:09 pm | #
nona, McFuckstick's not only whiney, but he talks to other people like they're idiots.
Don't you get it?
It's Huggy's tuuuuuurrrrrn!
He's entitled, by birth, to this.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
07.26.08 - 4:09 pm | #
Molly I's prediction is 47. It could happen.
V for Virginia, faceless name
He ain't winnin' AZ.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:09 pm | #
McCain is such a flip-flopper. First he challenges Obama to go abroad and when it succeeds spectacularly he calls the Wahmbulance and says Obama should stay in the country.
George Johnston |
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07.26.08 - 4:09 pm | #
Rick: Go volunteer for McGramps--I'm sure his campaign could use you to lick envelopes. If this site is so offensive to you--then stay away--you're under no obligation to be here. Ciao, goofball.
sconset |
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07.26.08 - 4:10 pm | #
He's entitled, by birth, to this.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Oh I'm sure he thinks he is.
And he thinks what he did forty years ago entitles him.
I'm STILL voting for Obama.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:10 pm | #
Rick: Go volunteer for McGramps--I'm sure his campaign could use you to lick envelopes.
Among other things.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:11 pm | #
He ain't winnin' AZ.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 4:09 pm | #
Obama? he has an excelent chance. Don't forget that the people in AZ know McCain, and hate him.
ronjazz |
07.26.08 - 4:11 pm | #
I loved the oh-so-serious SEPTA troll who hates the comments here.
plantsman |
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07.26.08 - 4:11 pm | #
Oh, I definitely think Arizona is in play.
The serious rightards there loathe Huggy no fucking end, and the Latino vote is going to be heavy and Obama.
Huggy's popularity in his own state is highly suspect.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
07.26.08 - 4:11 pm | #
Hopefully, the Repukes will run McCain in 2012 as well.
George Johnston |
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07.26.08 - 4:11 pm | #
Dude, you are trying my patience.
Le Jackel
D00d.
V for Virginia, faceless name |
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07.26.08 - 4:11 pm | #
He ain't winnin' AZ.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 4:09 pm | #
Obama? he has an excellent chance. Don't forget that the people in AZ know McCain, and hate him.
ronjazz
Oh, no - I meant MC STAIN ain't winnin' AZ!
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:11 pm | #
He's entitled, by birth, to this.
It's about damn time Americans get over themselves and put a rich white powerful man into the office of the preznitcy.
masculine_monica_nyc |
07.26.08 - 4:12 pm | #
He ain't winnin' AZ.
I'll bet you a coca-cola he does. And that McCain retires to Wyoming afterwards.
mdh |
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07.26.08 - 4:12 pm | #
Hopefully, the Repukes will run McCain in 2012 as well.
George Johnston
He'll be gone by then.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:12 pm | #
"Clean-up in Cheese. Clean-up in Cheese!"
plantsman |
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07.26.08 - 4:12 pm | #
bye for now
Moonbootica, relaxed |
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07.26.08 - 4:13 pm | #
He ain't winnin' AZ.
I'll bet you a coca-cola he does. And that McCain retires to Wyoming afterwards.
mdh |
McFuckstick's not only whiney, but he talks to other people like they're idiots.
Really condescending attitude.
Very smug and arrogant.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08
the same fucking qualities idiot son exudes. what is it with the press corps that they think that type of fratboy assholery is charming. did you see that vid of st john dissing the wsj reporter and the reaction by senator huckleberry. hell, even he recognized that moment of dickery. huffpo has it.
nona |
07.26.08 - 4:14 pm | #
He'll be further gone by then.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08
fixed your typo
George Johnston |
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07.26.08 - 4:14 pm | #
I'm waiting for some pundit to point out how presumptuous it is for a candidate to do a weekly radio address just as though he were already president.
Toonscribe | 07.26.08 - 3:44 pm
You're going to wait a long time.
R. McGeddon |
07.26.08 - 4:14 pm | #
McCain is such a flip-flopper. First he challenges Obama to go abroad and when it succeeds spectacularly he calls the Wahmbulance and says Obama should stay in the country.
George Johnston
McCain can't remember what the hell he had for breakfast that morning.
And if that makes me a "vulgarian", good!
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:14 pm | #
All campaigns are at risk of believing their own spin - it's the kiss of death.
I never read my own press.
masculine_monica_nyc |
07.26.08 - 4:14 pm | #
And if I hear the word, 'dude,' one more time, I'll scream.
You're being very Un-Dude.
NTodd, Cranky Motherfucker |
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07.26.08 - 4:15 pm | #
The Dems are using ageism against McCain but the Repubs aren't playing the race card against Obama.
randy |
07.26.08 - 4:15 pm | #
I never read my own press.
I never read my own blog.
NTodd, Cranky Motherfucker |
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07.26.08 - 4:15 pm | #
"Clean-up in Cheese. Clean-up in Cheese!"
plantsman
McCain in the grocery store was such a Mr Burns moment.
"Hello, Shoppier, are you here to resolve my catsup/ketchup quandary"
BlueinColorado |
07.26.08 - 4:15 pm | #
And if I hear the word, 'dude,' one more time, I'll scream.
It amazes me that people like Bush and McCain think they're so special.
McCain acts as though he's the smartest person in the room when he's the dumbest.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:16 pm | #
So Obama went to Germany, and McCain took a trip to Pitytown. So sad.
Mark B. from Austin TX
George Johnston |
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07.26.08 - 4:16 pm | #
Arizona has lost 40% of it's housing & property value at this point. The demo's are also changing. Whitney's point is that Mc'ain is up against the perfect political storm. All bets are off at this time.
jodon |
07.26.08 - 4:16 pm | #
The Dems are using ageism against McCain but the Repubs aren't playing the race card against Obama.
It's nice that the Wall Street Journal editorial page is available online.
masculine_monica_nyc |
07.26.08 - 4:16 pm | #
What dummies.
Blowouts are never seen early.
In July, 1980, Carter led Reagan by six points.
Rick Blaine |
07.26.08 - 4:17 pm | #
nona, McFuckstick's not only whiney, but he talks to other people like they're idiots.
it goes with the territory. his supporters are idiots...
fokowi |
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07.26.08 - 4:17 pm | #
I stopped using 'dood' years ago.
Little kiddie trolls needs to get with the program.
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 4:13 pm | #
Really? Because I predict you will use the word 'dood' tomorrow.
Le Jackel |
07.26.08 - 4:17 pm | #
the Repubs get their tiny penises cockpunched every time they play the race card against Obama.
fixed your typo.
George Johnston |
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07.26.08 - 4:17 pm | #
I never read my own blog.
One cannot read what has not yet been inscribed, grasshopper.
masculine_monica_nyc |
07.26.08 - 4:18 pm | #
It ain't ageism to point out the dude is senile. And at some point, you don't want to hire someone for an 8 year job who doesn't look like they will make it through the next month.
Mark B. from Austin TX |
07.26.08 - 4:18 pm | #
All good TerryC. I'll buy you a coca-cola anyhow.
mdh
Diet Pepsi is my drug of choice, thankyew!
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:18 pm | #
Diet Pepsi is my drug of choice, thankyew!
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08
Don't let her near the rum!
Captain Jack Sparrow |
07.26.08 - 4:20 pm | #
In July, 1980, Carter led Reagan by six points.
There were certain ... um ... events that occurred between July and November that kind of swung the election. The Iranians really helped out their buddy Reagan.
Mark B. from Austin TX |
07.26.08 - 4:20 pm | #
Here is an outfit looking for citizen journalists. A writer at this site wrote among the first articles about Abramhoff.
the Repubs aren't playing the race card against Obama.
Bullshit!
Who told you that? Rush?
The Repigs wouldn't be able to function without racism.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:20 pm | #
I think a 50-state win is very improbable. Things have simply been too polarized for too long. Even 47 states seems unlikely at this point.
Idaho, Utah, Wyoming and Alaska will likely go to McCain. Colorado is still a toss-up, but, there's no telling what happens after a convention in Denver.
Georgia, West Virginia, South Carolina and Alabama will go for McCain. Louisiana might, too. Florida? Too iffy right now. Ohio? Probably the same.
Right now, I think McCain could take twelve or thirteen states, all concentrated in the far west and south. That's the remaining strength of the `pugs after Bush destroyed the brand elsewhere.
montag |
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07.26.08 - 4:20 pm | #
McCain has tried to portray his rival as naive and inexperienced on foreign policy and national security, but suggested Saturday that Obama was ignoring U.S. voters during his time abroad.
The former Vietnam prisoner of war has struggled this week to get back the media spotlight as he campaigned on pocketbook issues in the U.S. Midwest.
The AP *hearts* Former Vietnam Prisoner of War McCain.
masculine_monica_nyc |
07.26.08 - 4:21 pm | #
Rick Blaine: Hit the bricks--get out of here with your nonsense. The political winds are very similar to what was going on in '80 when Reagan was elected--only this time it is the Dems who are favored.
sconset |
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07.26.08 - 4:21 pm | #
it goes with the territory. his supporters are idiots...
fokowi
Why just yesterday McCain said he could take all 13 states.
Culture of TrÜth |
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07.26.08 - 4:22 pm | #
Georgia, West Virginia, South Carolina and Alabama will go for McCain. Louisiana might, too. Florida? Too iffy right now. Ohio? Probably the same.
Are you saying Texas is going to go Obama? I see it as possible, but not likely. Noriega is going to run a strong Senate campaign, and that's gonna help. I'd like to see it happen.
Mark B. from Austin TX |
07.26.08 - 4:23 pm | #
Right now, I think McCain could take twelve or thirteen states, all concentrated in the far west and south. That's the remaining strength of the `pugs after Bush destroyed the brand elsewhere.
montag | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 4:20 pm | #
Sounds about right.
Le Jackel |
07.26.08 - 4:23 pm | #
i thought mcbomb is on record that he will only serve 1 term. if true, it leaves a barn door open for speculation as to why and one would be irresponsible to not...
fokowi |
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07.26.08 - 4:23 pm | #
The AP *hearts* Former Vietnam Prisoner of War McCain.
masculine_monica_nyc
There is no shortage of Picklers in the AP jar.
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07.26.08 - 4:23 pm | #
Rick Blaine = Elias.
Next he'll be telling us that our only hope is vote for NADIR
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:23 pm | #
the Repubs aren't playing the race card against Obama.
The Dude Abides.
Chris Tucker |
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07.26.08 - 4:23 pm | #
Are you saying Texas is going to go Obama?
I think Obama can take Texas.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:24 pm | #
So Obama went to Germany, and McCain took a trip to Pitytown.
Caught the Last Train to Sucksville.
mdh |
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07.26.08 - 4:24 pm | #
Why just yesterday McCain said he could take all 13 states.
Culture of TrÜth
Dude!
V for Virginia, faceless name |
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07.26.08 - 4:24 pm | #
This is classic Orthogonian rhetoric (those of you who've read Nixonland will know what that means.) And it works on many levels. First, he's tweaking the "breathless" press, who are responding predictably, judging from the headlines I'm seeing this morning: Obama Disputes He's on a 'Premature Victory Lap'.
Second he's saying that Obama is more interested in "others" than he is Real Americans. Typical elite. Uppity at that. It's hard to know if this approach will work, but it makesa certain amount of sense for Republicans. People are in a sour mood. They want to blame somebody. Why not a young, black guy? Not much a stretch for a lot of these folks.
Because it is bitter, and because it is my heart.
masculine_monica_nyc |
07.26.08 - 4:24 pm | #
In July, 1980, Carter led Reagan by six points.
Last time I checked, it was July 2008.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:25 pm | #
If McCain went to Berlin, they would probably put the wall back up.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
07.26.08 - 4:25 pm | #
Plus we're gonna try real hard in those twelve or thirteen. Including punching them very hard in the nuts.
Le Jackel |
07.26.08 - 4:25 pm | #
he's saying that Obama is more interested in "others" than he is Real Americans.
I don't want to be what the Repigs think are "real Americans".
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:26 pm | #
Take my bank, please. [/Henny Youngman.
(Yeah, I know, needs work. No set up line. But, like they say, "no line, no waiting".)
bo |
07.26.08 - 4:26 pm | #
the Repubs aren't playing the race card against Obama.
Must be a nice purple sky in jack's world.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:27 pm | #
I'm waiting for some pundit to point out how presumptuous it is for a candidate to do a weekly radio address just as though he were already president.
Toonscribe
And like Bush, he'll say the same shit over and over and over again.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:29 pm | #
Not only is McCain stamping his feet and whining, he's also attacking the media ("breathless coverage"). I think his barbecues are going to get awkward...
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07.26.08 - 4:29 pm | #
Okay, I got the Knoppix iso file, I got the syslinux program that's supposed to load it while ur in windows, and nuthin's happening
bo |
07.26.08 - 4:29 pm | #
Culture of Truth: Priceless!! ....And, the original 13 states at that!!
sconset |
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07.26.08 - 4:29 pm | #
He's tapping the power of fucking radio to get his message out.
Oh, crap. We're in for it now. Nobody who uses such newfangled technology as the wireless can be beaten.
I'm sorry to say this, but anybody who is old enough to actually remember the original Fireside Chats is too old to be President.
Terry C, I'd be amazed if Obama took Texas, BUT it's closer than anyone would have predicted.
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07.26.08 - 4:29 pm | #
Oh, was he in the military? He should mention it once in a while, it could help him.
I agree. FVPOW McCain really should come out of the military closet. It could give him that shot of raging testosterone his campaign has been lacking.
masculine_monica_nyc |
07.26.08 - 4:30 pm | #
I'm sorry to say this, but anybody who is old enough to actually remember the original Fireside Chats is too old to be President.
Frankie Machine
My Mom remembers those.
She's 76 and SHE refers to McCain as "that decrepit old bastard".
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:31 pm | #
raging testosterone
Testosterone & Tapioca! That's what this country needs!
virgotex |
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07.26.08 - 4:31 pm | #
McCain was against the Tea Tax before he was for the Tea Tax before he was finally against it after the Boston Tea Party.
bo |
07.26.08 - 4:32 pm | #
This all pales in comparison to the BRETT FAVRE SAGA.
Will he report to camp?
Will he go to the Jets?
What will the Packers get for him?
I'm sorry but the campaign will have to take a back seat.
Gomez |
07.26.08 - 4:32 pm | #
"...I never read my own blog.
NTodd, Cranky Motherfucker | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 4:15 pm | #..."
How many years now that this character has had the midcult onlookers rolling in the aisles?
Whatever the answer, it's among the reasons that this site has such decayed ambience, so little prestige and influence and has for so long confused intrusive prattle with
working class verities.
It's close to being like a McCain joke.
Rick Blaine |
07.26.08 - 4:32 pm | #
Terry C.
My aunt, who was old enough to VOTE for Roosevelt, also thinks McCain is too old.
Frankie Machine |
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07.26.08 - 4:32 pm | #
Comment by Rick Blaine blocked.
Go away, Elias.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:33 pm | #
Testosterone & Tapioca! That's what this country needs! - virgotex
No thanks, Lubewanka's used kleenex is all yours.
bo |
07.26.08 - 4:33 pm | #
"...I never read my own blog.
NTodd, Cranky Motherfucker
Reading your own blog is like smelling your own farts.
Gomez |
07.26.08 - 4:33 pm | #
FWIW, I see our "friends" in the MSM at doing everything in their powers to keep it close - as was observed elsewhere, a close contest in many states = mega-advertising $$$ = Mega-profits for the MSM.
With that in mind, here's the ten states I see McCain as most likely to get:
Wyoming, Utah, Alabama, Georgia, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Louisiana, South Dakota, Idaho, South Carolina
Leaning McCain: Nevada, Texas, Kansas, Arizona, North Dakota, Kentucky, West Virginia, Mississippi, Indiana
Either-or: Colorado, Arkansas, Missouri, Tennessee, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Pennsylvania
Leaning Obama: Iowa, Ohio, Montana
Likely Obama: Eveywhere else.
NOTE: this is what I expect WITH the MSM Spin-O-Rama in high gear.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office |
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07.26.08 - 4:34 pm | #
For one thing, Monday's guests will include a certain pantsless blogger ...
Sinfonian, weekend warrior |
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07.26.08 - 4:35 pm | #
Anybody know who Brett Favre is supporting?
Gomez |
07.26.08 - 4:36 pm | #
Are you saying Texas is going to go Obama? I see it as possible, but not likely. Noriega is going to run a strong Senate campaign, and that's gonna help. I'd like to see it happen.
I didn't mention it for a couple of reasons. Someone here mentioned that a recent poll in Texas put Bush's negatives at 42% and positives at 41%. For a state that voted him in twice with 60% of the popular vote, that's a tremendous change.
And, we haven't seen Obama do much campaigning in Texas. His appearances there during the primary were few and brief. So, if he were to put in three or four days there, giving it all he's got, the state could be dragged along in the wake of what's going on elsewhere.
That's not to say that the wingnuts amongst the Texas Republican Party won't bring out every salacious rumor they dream up in all their pinheaded glory, but, the Republicans have dominated the Lege since DeLay's power plays, and the voters aren't happy with what they've done--when the general sentiment is "good thing they only meet once every two years," you know there's some changes in the offing.
Depends upon how Obama structures his campaign there and how much time he spends. I think it's going to be close, but wouldn't want to predict one way or another.
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07.26.08 - 4:36 pm | #
How many years now that this character has had the midcult onlookers rolling in the aisles?
Hi, Elias! Your town is still a shithole!
NTodd, Cranky Motherfucker |
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07.26.08 - 4:36 pm | #
If McCain went to Berlin, they would probably put the wall back up.
leibniz leibkins
And put Czecho and Slavia back together...
ellroon |
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07.26.08 - 4:36 pm | #
The sad saga of Huggies McBush. Once he was a Navy Captain, now he's a PFC*.
You guys hear about Iowans trying to do a citizen's arrest on Karl Rove? Second attempt.
ellroon
They're short an indictment, but I still applaud the effort
V for Virginia, faceless name |
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07.26.08 - 4:36 pm | #
TerryC: Nah gonna happen! Joe is despised in CT. He couldn't deliver Meals on Wheels at this point.
sconset |
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07.26.08 - 4:36 pm | #
confused intrusive prattle with working class verities
I was saying just this morning that I was looking forward to checking in with the comments section here so I could add to the confusion of intrusive prattle with working class verities.
masculine_monica_nyc |
07.26.08 - 4:37 pm | #
Hi, Elias! Your town is still a shithole!
NTodd, Cranky Motherfucker
The part that roots for the Browns is.
Gomez |
07.26.08 - 4:37 pm | #
Don't know if Obama can take Texas, but it sure would be sweet if he did. The msm talking heads would explode.
TOW-killfile user |
07.26.08 - 4:37 pm | #
How many years now that this character has had the midcult onlookers rolling in the aisles?
Oh, yeah - Elias all right.
Same "I'm SO much smarter than everyone here."
But yet he still comes here to get his ass handed to him.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:37 pm | #
I'm not sure that ambience can decay.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.26.08 - 4:37 pm | #
Lieberman went to Berlin, but all he got was a handjob from Phil Gramm dressed as Marlene Dietrich.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
07.26.08 - 4:37 pm | #
They're short an indictment, but I still applaud the effort
V for Virginia, faceless name
Exactly. I'd like to make them all feel nervous about leaving their houses...
ellroon |
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07.26.08 - 4:38 pm | #
Is this the year that Brady Quinn comes to the forefront?
Gomez |
07.26.08 - 4:38 pm | #
I'm not sure that ambience can decay.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
What if you leave it out in the sun? And it gets wet?
V for Virginia, faceless name |
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07.26.08 - 4:38 pm | #
TerryC: Nah gonna happen! Joe is despised in CT. He couldn't deliver Meals on Wheels at this point.
sconset
YOU know he's full of shit - I know he's full of shit.
McObamasBitch
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07.26.08 - 4:42 pm | #
Have the years of playing without a helmet taken a toll on Mike Golic?
Gomez
That or the NutriSystem.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:44 pm | #
Don't know if Obama can take Texas, but it sure would be sweet if he did. The msm talking heads would explode.
We here in The Heartland of the USA of America will vote for President George Willard Bush. As the jet-pilot hero of the Battle off Iraq, he deserves to have our support and to listen to our phone calls. You LIE-brals are always whining about the loss of your precious "consitution rights", but Mr. President Bush is protecting us by taking away our freedoms (the Muslins hate us for our freedoms, so if we don't have any, no hate! Duh!), so get with the program, DEMON-crats.
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07.26.08 - 4:44 pm | #
Well I didn't get to go to yurp.
But its just as well. They eat weird food and talk funny their women don't shave and their cooches smell bad.
I'm a Texan, dammit! I'm not a person of the world!!!!!!!!!!
Admittedly, you are in the hotbed of "get out of the UN" sentiment in the country. But, that's waning. Even Texans now recognize that Mexico doesn't belong to them.
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07.26.08 - 4:44 pm | #
Do you think this is the year Joe Paterno will croak?
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07.26.08 - 4:45 pm | #
When I enter the barnyard, sheep flee.
Rugged in Montana |
07.26.08 - 4:46 pm | #
Hi, mer
V for Virginia, faceless name |
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07.26.08 - 4:46 pm | #
I once had a beer with Beano Cook. He is just as incoherent sober.
Gomez |
07.26.08 - 4:46 pm | #
Hey, it's also 82 degrees here. Does that mean there some odd alignment of cosmic force, crop circles and Lou Dobbs' rantings?
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
07.26.08 - 4:47 pm | #
Rugged in Montana | 07.26.08 - 4:44 pm
Won't give MERKIN PATRIOT any sleepless nights.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:47 pm | #
Beano Cook called me a shyster. A likeable shyster but a shyster nonetheless.
Gomez |
07.26.08 - 4:47 pm | #
f somebody doesn't say something funny soon, I'll have to leave.
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07.26.08 - 4:48 pm | #
It's only 82 in Skull Valley.
I think Speed Racer raced once in Skull Valley.
Gomez |
07.26.08 - 4:48 pm | #
f somebody doesn't say something funny soon, I'll have to leave.
A good reason to be deadly serious, then....
montag |
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07.26.08 - 4:48 pm | #
There will not be one homie lacking a ride on voting day. If they send lawyers to butt-fuck precinct in asswipe county we will send twice as many lawyers accompanied by lawmen with warrents and guns. That's how that shit is going to go down.
Le Jackel |
07.26.08 - 4:49 pm | #
Will Kobi try to fuck a Chinese chick while in Beijing?
Gomez
Dammit, quit comparing him to Wilt. He'll never measure up!
Mark B. from Austin TX |
07.26.08 - 4:49 pm | #
Admittedly, you are in the hotbed of "get out of the UN" sentiment in the country. But, that's waning. Even Texans now recognize that Mexico doesn't belong to them.
montag
Well, I think San Antonio still doesn't flouridate their water (I know they were fighting about it 20 years ago or so), but most of Texas realizes Mexico all but owns us (we're soon to be a minority/majority state, and the "real" border is somewhere just south of Austin). Houston is now minority/majority, and really the most cosmopolitan city in Texas (yeah, yeah, not saying much, but trust me: it's a very polyglot city).
But we still think of ourselves as Texans first, Americans second. When I was in Europe, I reflexively identified myself as a Texan, not an American. We're funny that way.
Rmj, Itinerant Theologist |
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07.26.08 - 4:49 pm | #
If somebody doesn't say something funny soon, I'll have to leave.
Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:49 pm | #
"...A good reason to be deadly serious, then....
montag | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 4:48 pm | # ..."
You mean you weren't trying to be?
Rick Blaine |
07.26.08 - 4:49 pm | #
There will not be one homie lacking a ride on voting day.
Cool I want stainless steel rims on my ride.
Gomez |
07.26.08 - 4:50 pm | #
Won't give MERKIN PATRIOT any sleepless nights.
I'm thinking that Rugged is way more "Andy Kaufman-esque".
Orange Tom |
07.26.08 - 4:50 pm | #
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/2...ion/ 27rich.html
P O'Neill
Reading tomorrow's news today makes me feel like a clairvoyeur.
Gomez |
07.26.08 - 4:52 pm | #
A good reason to be deadly serious, then....
montag
Like HE'D know what "funny" WAS.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:52 pm | #
Breaking Red State News!
Dateline: McKee, Ky.
Pitbull runs loose on Yellow Dog Road, bites neighbor. Owner, brother intercede, bitten as well. All three taken to hospital, one admitted.
Oh, and the police found 5 meth labs!
When interviewed, all were said to be voting McCain in the fall.
Ok, made the last part up.
jc in ky |
07.26.08 - 4:53 pm | #
Do you think this is the year Joe Paterno will croak?
Gomez
If he does, will it cost him his job?
SteveLG |
07.26.08 - 4:53 pm | #
I'm thinking that Rugged is way more "Andy Kaufman-esque".
If you believe
they put a man on the moon ...
Mark B. from Austin TX |
07.26.08 - 4:53 pm | #
Tomorrow's Mo Dowd today. Possible incorrect usage of "nonplused".
Mr. McCain comes off instead like the ineffectual Mr. Wilson, the retired neighbor perpetually busting a gasket at the antics of pesky little Dennis the Menace.
Hmmmmm, someone else is launching his own regular broadcast.
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Today, [7/25], we are launching Salon Radio with Glenn Greenwald -- a regularly-scheduled program that will include interviews and discussions with political figures, journalists, activists and the like. For now, all of the segments will be recorded as podcasts and then posted on Salon every Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 2:00 p.m. EST. The segments will be between 30 and 45 minutes. Each new show will be posted on Salon's front page, posted here on my blog, and will also be permanently archived so that they can be heard at any time. You can subscribe to the show as a podcast via the iTunes Music Store, here (h/t rwanderman).
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bo |
07.26.08 - 4:54 pm | #
But we still think of ourselves as Texans first, Americans second. When I was in Europe, I reflexively identified myself as a Texan, not an American. We're funny that way.
Well, I was just born and raised there, and have been away enough as an adult to give me a bit more distance and objectivity on the phenomenon.
But, wrt Europe, it reminds me of a comment from someone in France back in the late `80s, when the dollar was sagging and the (briefly) dominant currency in Western Europe was the lira. "Italians? Pfft! They're the new Texans!"
montag |
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As the jet-pilot hero of the Battle off Iraq, he deserves to have our support and to listen to our phone calls.
Does he really want to hear me calling him filthy names?
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:55 pm | #
I am not going to read any Maureen Dowd shit.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
07.26.08 - 4:55 pm | #
Mr. McCain comes off instead like the ineffectual Mr. Wilson, the retired neighbor perpetually busting a gasket at the antics of pesky little Dennis the Menace.
Martha, where are those g-d garden lanterns, you c*nt!
MP |
07.26.08 - 4:55 pm | #
I'm thinking that Rugged is way more "Andy Kaufman-esque".
I am not going to read any Maureen Dowd shit.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮
Me neither.
Nasty, bitter individual - and her "work" shows it.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:56 pm | #
Mr. McCain comes off instead like the ineffectual Mr. Wilson, the retired neighbor perpetually busting a gasket at the antics of pesky little Dennis the Menace.
"Dennis, did you ever want to be a pilot"?
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
07.26.08 - 4:57 pm | #
I shoulda said the pitbull was a yellow dog dem, nah too easy.
jc in ky |
07.26.08 - 4:57 pm | #
McCain just announced that he did the Google.
... and is extremely embarrassed to discover what santorum is....
montag |
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07.26.08 - 4:57 pm | #
Breaking Red State News!
Dateline: McKee, Ky. - jc in ky.
"Gonna buy me a pitbull.
Guard my meth lab whilst I sleep."
bo |
07.26.08 - 4:57 pm | #
I am not going to read any Maureen Dowd shit.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮
I read it, and let's just say it's amazing what wonders a little one on one time can do.
SteveLG |
07.26.08 - 4:58 pm | #
Pitbull runs loose on Yellow Dog Road, bites neighbor. Owner, brother intercede, bitten as well. All three taken to hospital, one admitted.
Oh, and the police found 5 meth labs!
That's what they get for giving the dog meth!
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 4:58 pm | #
Damn - looks like just about every property on the market in Cottonwood is a short sale or foreclosed or bank owned.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.26.08 - 5:00 pm | #
So the next version of 'Home Alone' is going relaunch MacAuley Culkin's career by pairing him with McCain? Will McCain play the good guy or the bad guy, or will it be a twist and they will combine 'Weekend at Bernies' with the 'Home Alone' franchise to make a nostalgic 'I love the 80s' pastiche?
Mark B. from Austin TX |
07.26.08 - 5:00 pm | #
Well, I was just born and raised there, and have been away enough as an adult to give me a bit more distance and objectivity on the phenomenon.
Left the state for awhile myself, but traded in my objectivity for an addiction to Tex-Mex.
But, wrt Europe, it reminds me of a comment from someone in France back in the late `80s, when the dollar was sagging and the (briefly) dominant currency in Western Europe was the lira. "Italians? Pfft! They're the new Texans!"
montag
One must remember that for quite a long period, one already fading by the time the movies discovered Texas oilmen, that Texas was Saudi Arabia: i.e., the world's petroleum field. 'Course, by the 80's, Texas was skimming along on real estate and history (until the real estate went bust). Soon Houston and Dallas will be two of the most expensive cities to live in in the country, due to gasoline prices.
But there's still that odd quirk of identifying with the state, rather than the country at large. That I can't seem to shake off. Along with the enchilada/tamale/chili sauce jones.
Rmj, Itinerant Theologist |
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07.26.08 - 5:00 pm | #
That's what they get for giving the dog meth!
That's a nightmare... a pit bull on meth.
Or a good band name: Pit Bulls on Meth
montag |
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07.26.08 - 5:01 pm | #
I think that of all the major Republican candidates we were blessed to get McCain.
He is the one most likely to Goldwater.
Gomez |
07.26.08 - 5:02 pm | #
Meanwhile, teh press tabs Barack Obama as elitist, after they fucking shoved tons of food down their gaping maws at one one McCains exclusive playhouses.
MP |
07.26.08 - 5:03 pm | #
Pickens made clear to me over breakfast last week that he was tired of waiting for Washington to produce a serious energy plan. So his company, Mesa Power, is now building the world’s largest wind farm in the Texas Panhandle, where he’s spent $2 billion buying land and 700 wind turbines from General Electric — the largest single turbine order ever. The U.S. could secure 20 percent of its electricity needs from wind alone.
But Pickens knows he’s unique.
Nah, he's lookin' for the government to subsidize this so he can make a killing, a la Ross Perot (who built EDS on gov't contracts).
He's not unique at all.
Rmj, Itinerant Theologist |
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07.26.08 - 5:03 pm | #
Rich says of Obama, 'It's his to lose.'
That usually means they lose.
Remember Hillary Clinton, March, 2008.
The Red Hot Mau-Mau |
07.26.08 - 5:03 pm | #
whilst I sleep, Cream?
jc in ky |
07.26.08 - 5:04 pm | #
He is the one most likely to Goldwater.
But, he's got the experience for it--no other candidate can say that he's crashed and burned as many times as McCain....
montag |
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07.26.08 - 5:04 pm | #
SNL is going to make mince meat out of McCain this fall.
Gomez |
07.26.08 - 5:04 pm | #
“What laws do we need to enact to foster 1,000 more like you?” Then just do it, and get out of the way.
Why, the same ones that built the intercontinental railroads in the 19th century! Lots and lots of gov't subsidies!!!!
Rmj, Itinerant Theologist |
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07.26.08 - 5:05 pm | #
If I hear that Pickens ad one more time I'm going to drill my way out of my TV.
Gomez |
07.26.08 - 5:05 pm | #
Why, the same ones that built the intercontinental railroads in the 19th century! Lots and lots of gov't subsidies!!!!
One of the best kept secrets of American History is just how much the infrastructure that made the western expansion possible was financed by the evil government.
Not that you'd ever get assholes like Dick Armey, Tom DuhLay, or the sack of Ferengi shit Phil Gramm to ever realize it. All of whom would have starved without the government teat to lean on.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
07.26.08 - 5:09 pm | #
If we are confronted by so many challenges to address, and we elect a kinda dim-witted 72 year old to lead us through them, then we deserve nothing it return.
MP |
07.26.08 - 5:10 pm | #
One of the best kept secrets of American History is just how much the
infrastructure that made the western expansion possible was financed by
the evil government.
That would be the British evil government. Most of the railroads in the west were financed by British investment.
SNL starts again Sept. 13, which is quite early for them. They have to if they want to make fun of this election.
TOW-killfile user |
07.26.08 - 5:10 pm | #
I read it, and let's just say it's amazing what wonders a little one on one time can do.
SteveLG
Oh, no! You didn't make the ultimate sacrifice, take a really gross one for the team, did you?
Ick!
V for Virginia, faceless name |
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07.26.08 - 5:10 pm | #
The Founders are shoving each other sharply by the shoulders, "I *told* you it would end up like this!"
MP |
07.26.08 - 5:12 pm | #
No, haha. He meant Modo actually SPOKE to Obama. It appears she was on the Yurp trip. She was rather decent. Not nearly as cutsie and snarky.
TOW-killfile user
If she got too cutesy with Obama, Michelle would rip her a new one.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 5:14 pm | #
That would be the British evil government. Most of the railroads in the west were financed by British investment.
The Brits didn't give away the land right of ways.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
07.26.08 - 5:14 pm | #
She was rather decent. Not nearly as cutsie and snarky.
TOW-killfile user
BRB, gonna go mark this date on the calendar so we can celebrate every year, like Festivus.
V for Virginia, faceless name |
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07.26.08 - 5:15 pm | #
The Founders are shoving each other sharply by the shoulders, "I *told* you it would end up like this!"
Nah, just Ben Franklin. He was the one who said we'd been given a Republic, if we could keep it...
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07.26.08 - 5:16 pm | #
The US concept of "eminent domain" didn't seize property for the public good. It seized property for the fucking railroads and other powerful bidness interests who brought pressure.
MP |
07.26.08 - 5:16 pm | #
One of the best kept secrets of American History is just how much the infrastructure that made the western expansion possible was financed by the evil government.
The amount of land ceded to the railroad operators by eminent domain at virtually no cost to them was truly extraordinary--and not just on the main transcontinental lines.
Oddly enough, about the only place where the state came out okay on railroad expansion was in Texas. IIRC, the law there, at least early on, was that any time the railroad wanted right of way, all the mineral and water rights for thirteen miles on either side were put in reserve for the University of Texas system. Once oil was discovered, that became a lucrative source of income for the state.
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07.26.08 - 5:17 pm | #
BRB, gonna go mark this date on the calendar so we can celebrate every year, like Festivus.
Cool. What should we call it? Modonival? Modofest?
My aunt, who was old enough to VOTE for Roosevelt, also thinks McCain is too old.
Frankie Machine
My Roosevelt dem mother turned 83 today.
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07.26.08 - 5:19 pm | #
Nah, just Ben Franklin. He was the one who said we'd been given a Republic, if we could keep it...
NTodd, Cranky Motherfucker
I always think of that "fire bell in the night" letter that Jefferson wrote to Adams.
Well then, why didn't you manumit your fucking slaves on your death, Mr. Greatest Writer Ever, like Washington did?
Jefferson pisses me off, sometimes.
MP |
07.26.08 - 5:21 pm | #
The Brits didn't give away the land right of ways.
No - but the companies and the railroad were more than the right of way. "In an era when communications were still slow, foreign investors were highly reluctant to invest in private companies of which they knew little. They were more willing to invest in state government securities. As a result, American state governments turned abroad to fund their banking and transportation industries. In the early 1840s, with many of these state debts in default, there were cries of outrage abroad at American perfidy. Nonetheless, in 1853, the largest foreign investments in the United States remained in state debts. That year, state debts constituted about half of the total foreign investments in the United States. Some 58 percent of American state government debt was held abroad. Foreign investment in land, banking, and transportation continued. When Andrew Jackson vetoed the renewal of the charter of the Second Bank of the United States, one reason was the heavy foreign investment. The veto changed American banking history. In the 1830s, railroads began to attract a growing amount of funding from abroad. By the early 1850s, railroad bonds had already become a substantial part of the foreign investment in the United States. These bonds were backed by mortgages on the railroads themselves. British companies had arranged to sell iron rails in the United States, but because the railroads would not earn money until they became operational, the rail sellers accepted bonds as payment. British merchant bankers created a market for the bonds. The bonds were sold not only in Britain, but in Holland and, to a lesser extent, elsewhere on the European continent. In 1853, a survey indicated that some 26 percent of American railroad bonds issued were held abroad. That year railroads represented about a quarter of the inward foreign investment in the United States.The investments in federal, state, and railroad bonds, as well as in the Second Bank of the United States, were all "portfolio" investments (financial interests). At the same time foreigners also made direct investments, those that carried management and control. Throughout the first half of the nineteenth century, there were trade related foreign investments, by trading firms. In the 1820s Scottish and English manufacturers began to appoint their own agents for the first time and even sent salaried men to sell in the United States. Yet not until the 1850s were there significant sales networks by foreign manufacturers in the United States. From the early nineteenth century onward, British insurance companies made direct investments in the United States, typically in providing fire and marine insurance."
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.26.08 - 5:22 pm | #
Last night on the Newshour I heard a discussion of the week's events with and American and a British reporter. Judy Woodruff was all atwitter about how to treat Obama and McCain. "Isn't it a reporter's job to be balanced?" The Brit told her no, a reporter's job is to show reality. Trying to equate 200,000 people in Germany to a couple of dozen people in a grocery store was 1, ridiculous and 2, not serving your audience. The american disagreed.
Representing reality. What a concept.
Neponset |
07.26.08 - 5:23 pm | #
time for Go'bama to give a Fireside Chat.
to be quickly parried and reposted by the McSame campaign's Firesign chat...
Santa Monica freeway, 1mile
wilson |
07.26.08 - 5:24 pm | #
"With all the breathless coverage from abroad, and with Senator Obama now addressing his speeches to 'the people of the world,' I'm starting to feel a little left out. Maybe you are too."
He's a hero of mine because he was brilliant and had a horrible blindspot. Flaws are so human.
NTodd, Cranky Motherfucker |
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07.26.08 - 5:26 pm | #
I'm very proud that Virginians were in the forefront of founding this Nation, but I'm terribly ashamed that they were slaveholders while doing it.
MP |
07.26.08 - 5:26 pm | #
McCain:
Challenge him to go to Iraq, you said. See if we can goad him into going abroad, you said. It'll be great for us, you said. I'm in the freaking fudge haus in nowheresville, USA, you cunt!
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
07.26.08 - 5:27 pm | #
He's a hero of mine because he was brilliant and had a horrible blindspot. Flaws are so human.
Yes, but Sally was hawt. Plus, these days, you can't literally have a sex slave. He was just living the American male dream.
[you guys know I'm kidding, right?]
Mark B. from Austin TX |
07.26.08 - 5:28 pm | #
Flaws are so human.
NTodd
I am, of course, perfect.
Jefferson was lousy at handling money and was not rich, rich. He couldn't afford to free his slaves. Not really an excuse, just saying.
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07.26.08 - 5:28 pm | #
Dude, why the concern? Oh right, a small, demure African-American woman is carefully reviewing your tax returns amd filing those that need action. A surprising number of those are Republican lawyers. Tsk.
Le Jackel |
07.26.08 - 5:29 pm | #
I am, of course, perfect.
qlª
Well, it's a nice ass, but I'm not sure that it's perfect.
Let me take another look.
jac |
07.26.08 - 5:29 pm | #
Challenge him to go to Iraq, you said. See if we can goad him into going abroad, you said. It'll be great for us, you said. I'm in the freaking fudge haus in nowheresville, USA, you cunt!
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
It's a terribly immature sentiment, but the juxtaposition of the "Sausage Haus" and the "Fudge Haus" could not have been more unfortunate. Salt on the wound; insult added to injury. That kind of thing.
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07.26.08 - 5:30 pm | #
Well, it's a nice ass, but I'm not sure that it's perfect.
Take Doncjesus' word for it. It's poifect.
qlª - Degenerate |
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07.26.08 - 5:30 pm | #
Salt on the wound; insult added to injury. That kind of thing.
Come sit over here by me.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
07.26.08 - 5:31 pm | #
the photo of mccain holding hands with the dali lama was all over the country this morning.
i think he's going to go after the new age vote.
rootless-e, refuriated |
07.26.08 - 5:31 pm | #
That year
railroads represented about a quarter of the inward foreign investment in the United States.
But what made the railroads in the West look good as investments was the land granted, usually for several miles either side of the actual tracks, to the railroad companies.
Toonscribe |
07.26.08 - 5:32 pm | #
"He's a hero of mine because he was brilliant and had a horrible blindspot. Flaws are so human."
I suppose. He was also a slaveholder who wrote all men are created equal. He was also a master of political sleaze (look what he did to Adams while he was president)
Me - I find Jefferson to be overrated.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
07.26.08 - 5:33 pm | #
McCain:
Challenge him to go to Iraq, you said. See if we can goad him into going abroad, you said. It'll be great for us, you said. I'm in the freaking fudge haus in nowheresville, USA, you cunt!
Hecate
I believe the phrase you're looking for is "Hoist on his own petard."
jac |
07.26.08 - 5:33 pm | #
It could have been House of POW.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
07.26.08 - 5:33 pm | #
THEY LEFT JOHN MCCAIN ALOOOOOONE
-Atrios 15:21
and he's certainly not too fucking happy about it...
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07.26.08 - 5:34 pm | #
[you guys know I'm kidding, right?]
Yeah.
I'm just not sure how funny it is.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
07.26.08 - 5:34 pm | #
But what made the railroads in the West look good as investments was the land granted, usually for several miles either side of the actual tracks, to the railroad companies.
Toonscribe
Ummmm, no.
Because railroads weren't good investments. They were just good at GETTING investments.
Mostly by tactics that would get everyone sent to jail for securities fraud today. Good lord, the lies, the Ponzi schemes . . . Wall Street today is a walk in the park compared to them.
jac |
07.26.08 - 5:35 pm | #
It's a terribly immature sentiment, but the juxtaposition of the "Sausage Haus" and the "Fudge Haus" could not have been more unfortunate. Salt on the wound; insult added to injury. That kind of thing.
All the more delicious for being entirely self-inflicted, too....
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07.26.08 - 5:36 pm | #
re-HICA!
Back, w/beer, even!
After two night in a row without alcohol? Let me at 'em!
.
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07.26.08 - 5:37 pm | #
Even Joke Line was all over McCain's suckitude this week.
Joke Line!
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07.26.08 - 5:37 pm | #
All the more delicious for being entirely self-inflicted, too....
montag
"McCain 2008: Let's See If We Can Lose By 40 Points and 538 Electoral College Votes!"
jac |
07.26.08 - 5:37 pm | #
"Mostly by tactics that would get everyone sent to jail for securities fraud today."
Oh absolutely. Insider trading was the way to go.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
07.26.08 - 5:37 pm | #
Mostly by tactics that would get everyone sent to jail for securities fraud today. Good lord, the lies, the Ponzi schemes . . . Wall Street today is a walk in the park compared to them.
jac | 07.26.08 - 5:35 pm | #
they also engaged in a lot of pretty open bribery. but i'm not sure that e.g. countrywide or enron is any less of a swindle, just a more sophisticated one.
rootless-e, refuriated |
07.26.08 - 5:37 pm | #
Ummmm, no.
Because railroads weren't good investments.
I didn't say it made them good investments. I said it made them "look good" as investments. Two entirely different things. Easier to push the shares when you can say they include several million acres of land alongside the right-of-way.
Toonscribe |
07.26.08 - 5:38 pm | #
I like sausage anbd I like fudge, just not together.
Oh, dear ... I think I wrote a punchline.
megisi |
07.26.08 - 5:38 pm | #
All the more delicious for being entirely self-inflicted, too....
montag
It is good to not be alone.
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07.26.08 - 5:38 pm | #
I like sausage anbd I like fudge, just not together.
Wait, you mean that Stanford and Gould and Fiske and Carnegie were all Shysters? Unbelievable. Thank god nothing like that could happen today.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
07.26.08 - 5:39 pm | #
That's fudge you can believe in, my friends.
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07.26.08 - 5:39 pm | #
Jefferson was lousy at handling money and was not rich, rich.
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Woot! Another
reason to like Jefferson! I wonder if when he met with people who weren't as smart as he was he mocked them? Like Bush mocks people who are smarter than he is.
Republican "humor" involves teasing people giving them cruel nicknames and joking about the misfortune of others. When they are called on it they cry, "can't cha take a joke?"
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07.26.08 - 5:39 pm | #
Republican "humor" involves teasing people giving them cruel nicknames and joking about the misfortune of others. When they are called on it they cry, "can't cha take a joke?"
Spocko
They enjoy picking on the powerless.
And they get off on death and destruction.
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07.26.08 - 5:40 pm | #
ut what made the railroads in the West look good as investments was the
land granted, usually for several miles either side of the actual
tracks, to the railroad companies.
Noooooo.... What made them a good investment was in the fact of their being railroads. Transportation. The land was merely one of the components of the whole. Without the train and the tracks no amount of land would produce a railroad. Without the land, no amount of train or tracks would go anywhere. One of the elements of this kind of investment Toonscribe, the element which made this significant in the long history of investment, was in the way the money invested - British monies were being invested all over the world in 'transportation industry' and 'shipping' and 'mining' - and it was effectively secondhand. The money was an investment in development which is what underlay the worldwide economic dominance of the British Empire between roughly 1860-1914. What made the Empire superior to its competitors was its control of the economic foundation and subsequent profit of whole regions without the necessity of actual direct ownership. The investment in the railroads in the US and in South America and particularly India is part of that pattern. And a very handy way to keep the iron and steel of Britain selling at a very nice clip.
Sung to the tune of "Java Jive."
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07.26.08 - 5:41 pm | #
Me - I find Jefferson to be overrated.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 07.26.08 - 5:33 pm | #
Many of his early hits were derivative from Locke and he stole widely from the 5 nations, but, despite his dissolute lifestyle, he did know how to rock. His peak may have been when he was the opening act for Paine. His later arena career is more of a hodgepodge of ideas - and many say that he sold out.
rootless-e, refuriated |
07.26.08 - 5:42 pm | #
McCain 2008:
If you want him to stop whining.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 5:43 pm | #
I like sausage anbd I like fudge, just not together.
Oh, dear ... I think I wrote a punchline.
megisi | 07.26.08 - 5:38 pm | #
MacDonald's should trademark that phrase.
Le Jackel |
07.26.08 - 5:44 pm | #
Um, I sorta stumbled onto some sheets.
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07.26.08 - 5:44 pm | #
However, Monticello Road did have an interesting concept, even though it suffered in my opinion from sloppy production values.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
07.26.08 - 5:45 pm | #
But what made the railroads in the West look good as investments was the land granted, usually for several miles either side of the actual tracks, to the railroad companies.
Toonscribe
"Several miles in either direction"? Not even close.
The typical grant was a 100 ft. wide right of way, and 100 acres or so every 10 miles for a new town with a station.
Gen. Palmer (who built the Kansas Pacific and the Denver & Rio Grande) was particularly fond of extorting 'investment' from existing towns by threatening to bypass them in favor of a new town just a half-mile or mile away, rendering their property worthless.
No one's ever heard of Animas City, Colorado, but most of you have heard of Durango. Now you know.
jac |
07.26.08 - 5:45 pm | #
I'm watching a special about the "The Night Stalker"
DiFi was mayor of San Francisco then.
Sits down at a press conference and spills everything that the cops had on the Stalker.
Confidential info.
She was never the brightest bulb on the circuit, was she?
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
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07.26.08 - 5:45 pm | #
Oh, dear ... I think I wrote a punchline.
megisi | 07.26.08 - 5:38 pm | #
Dude, I think you just made the cleverest reference to anal intercourse I've ever heard.
Le Jackel |
07.26.08 - 5:46 pm | #
Double sheets above. Take your pick!
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07.26.08 - 5:47 pm | #
"Another reason to like Jefferson!"
Honestly...
I really have a problem with people who don't get what the big deal is that he owned humans and had a sex slave. I was once told to "get over that" in a grad school seminar.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
07.26.08 - 5:47 pm | #
GWPDA - I don't think we're arguing different things. Development is the key -- and with the railroad companies in the West owning, and with land company subsidiaries selling, the most desirable land because of its new connection to the markets of the East and overseas on either side of the tracks, it created the development potential of the West. That's what made it attractive to investors -- not just a railroad that went from point A to Z, but the potential development and growth of points B through Y all between -- largely on land that would be bought from the railroads.
Toonscribe |
07.26.08 - 5:56 pm | #
not just a railroad that went from point A to Z, but the potential
development and growth of points B through Y all between -- largely on
land that would be bought from the railroads.
Sorry, no. "Foreign investment" in the United States by Great Britain was investment in existing companies. What you're looking at are the activities of the companies themselves which made them investments. What Leland Stanford or Andrew Carnegie did to create their companies is absolutely immaterial to the foreign investment. It's the difference between wholesale and retail.
It seems to me that the republicans would rather have a leader who is hated world wide and burnt in effigy.
Insidious Prophet |
07.26.08 - 6:30 pm | #
Senator Obama now addressing his speeches to 'the people of the world,' I'm starting to feel a little left out.
When you inhabit Battlestar Geriatrica in eternal war with the Muslons, then references the planet Earth are likely to make you feel excluded.
Mike G |
07.26.08 - 6:36 pm | #
It seems to me that the republicans would rather have a leader who is hated world wide and burnt in effigy.
Parochialism and ignorance are exalted values in the Repig party. In what other pathological society outside of street gangs do people actually sneer at knowing multiple languages or acknowledging the world beyond your own country or your own self-interest? The same one that votes for a willfully-ignorant manchild fratboy who boasts about going with his "gut" instead of thinking.
A pack of insecure dullards who feel threatened if the president is any less stupid and ignorant than they are.
Mike G |
07.26.08 - 6:42 pm | #
Right now, I think McCain could take twelve or thirteen states, all concentrated in the far west and south.
The only far West state he will win is Alaska. He is bound to win some mountain West states.
dre |
07.26.08 - 6:49 pm | #
"I'm feeling left out"-Carol McCain
jr |
07.26.08 - 6:56 pm | #
"I'm starting to feel a little left out. Maybe you are too."-John McCain
No, I've felt left out for the past eight years due to policies that you want to continue.
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